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Now, I'd like to call to order the special session regarding the...

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To let our community continue to develop and grow with the solar field project. I would like to see our community continue to grow in a positive way. This solar field project has helped remove 23.2 acres of blight in our community. In our neighborhood, I would like to see our community move forward in renewable ending.

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by Byron Osborne, followed by Event Williams.

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Mr. Smith?

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Hello.

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My five year IBEW member and a apprentice currently working at the castle solar farm.

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I think it's been speaking of support of it, and I lift the panels up.

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by torque down, I connect in jumpers.

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And I think it's a real good first opportunity

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job for apprentices.

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So it's like not only it's a good thing for the Detroit,

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but it's also good for supporting the entire sort

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of electrician trade as a good foundation point.

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I think that's about it.

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I want to speak in support of it.

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Thank you for your consideration.

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Thank you.

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Our next speaker, Byron Osborne, followed by,

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Yvette Williams, followed by, Rondo Williams.

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Good afternoon, council.

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Byron Osborne District five resident,

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lifelong Detroiter and business agent

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for the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.

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This, these projects are opportunities as we all know.

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Dealing with the skill trades task force working together,

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with councilman Waters,

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Councilman Campbell, Councilman Miller, I mean Councilwoman Miller.

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We have been able to reach out to a record number of Detroiters.

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And moving this contract over to DTE gives us opportunity to open up our apprenticeship,

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which we just had applications all last week, we're vetting through those.

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I don't have the numbers of Detroiters that did respond, but

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knowing that meetings that we've gone to in the interest is at an odd time high.

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I'm 100% positive that we can grow our numbers of Detroit residents exponentially with this project going over to DTE.

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These opportunities like Jordan was speaking of our boots on the ground, skillset, workforce, engagement, workforce readiness myself.

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I'm going to speak on July 1st to introduce the trades to a group of young people on the east side who are going to take them through Castle.

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So we've got Motor City Electric, one of our largest employers in Detroit based business right over on Lynch Road.

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They're involved heavily in this project, so of course, local 58 is speaking in support of moving this agreement over to DTE.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Our next speaker, Event Williams, followed by Ronda Williams, followed by Joanne Ward.

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Thank you for having me here today.

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And here in the comments throughout the room, it really does heartens me being born and raised here.

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My mother built our home that I'm fighting for against the use restrictions.

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And just to hear that a minority city has to take the crimes of corporate America to stand their homes.

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Why hasn't there been any increase in evaluation?

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Our home owners race are through the roof, and we're going to really have a hard time getting trying to get the homes insured with a solar panel farm.

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not valuable buyouts, not knowledge about what a use restriction is. A use restriction

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is when someone takes non-possessory interest in your property and they can take possession

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of your property and use it. They can put easement, open up easements for utilities, poles,

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lines, pipes, and it's going to drop the evaluation from anywhere from 10 to 40%. So therefore,

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and the information is not going out to the public.

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And then we have to sit up here and say,

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then you change the deep restriction.

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Deep restrictions are the community rights under the deed.

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From 1971, through the developer,

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it runs with the land.

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So when you take a citizen's rights, a homeowner's rights,

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that would be like taking going out to Birmingham,

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telling them, oh, this is not a residential neighborhood anymore.

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This is going to be a commercial industrial.

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So yeah, we have many corporations here talking about the benefits, but that's about it.

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The benefits for them, but the burden on the whole.

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The next speaker, Juan de Williams, followed by Joanne Rorick, and our final in-person speaker, Darren McCleskey, Ms. Williams.

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So thank you for having us here.

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My family and I has lived in the Greenfield Park area, District 3 since 1971.

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one. So for 55 years we have been waiting for that area to be redeveloped, waiting for

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that area to be cared for, to be nurtured, and to actually appreciate its residents,

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its long-term residents. Instead we are seeing fields being knocked down. Now there's been

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vacant homes, there's been burned down homes, there's been creating that blight, and we

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You know that the city could have cleaned those things up.

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But now with this initiative, you are a land down land, but now you are taken away

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the actual pre of a proper zoning for that area and turn it into a more of an industrial

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area, which means that my family, the property itself, is useless.

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You could not sell that property to anyone else as a home.

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It has to be converted to something else.

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So instead of looking for equity, which as we're seeing downtown, that equity and those opportunities is not going to our neighborhoods is reaching certain areas.

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And I feel like this has just been a very hostile situation. Our family is being sued. We have not gotten proper notification.

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There was a hearing that was on June 15th that never did happen. It was switched over to another day.

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So, this whole rollout has been quite hostile to our family and to our neighborhoods has been very stressful and we want to see this done properly.

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Thank you, Ms. Williams.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker, Joanne Woolworth, followed by Darren McCleskey, who will be our final speaker in person.

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This is Woolworth.

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Good afternoon, everyone.

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I brought for you a copy of a basically a press release from the Department of Justice,

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this, how in February of 2026, there was a court ordered civil penalty of $100 million

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against DTE, Energy Company, and some city areas for violation of the Clean Air Act.

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And you were just saying about the switch-up of the poor authority, whatever, Mr. Whitaker

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said, maybe we don't want to work with people who got bad reputations like that.

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Well, same thing with DTE.

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We all know the grid goes down, et cetera, et cetera.

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Also, there's no solar plans in the master plan, the current master plan, the delayed

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master plan, but you're shoving it out in many ways, not everybody.

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Diane van Buren in the Green Energy Task Force did a video with Ms. Trisha Stein, and

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they said, we're not selling the renewable energy credits.

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Oh, but did you tell us about the renewable energy credits?

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That's what this is really all about, isn't it?

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But what we don't know are the fire risks of, and it's not properly cited.

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Boyle Heights Solar Warehouse Fire in LA started last week Wednesday, it's still burning.

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There was a state of emergency declared, they're giving people air purifiers.

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And they move the kids out to go to school.

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And the New York Times today said people are suffering toxic diesma.

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So everybody, yes, Ms. Burns, everybody knows we have vast amounts of land.

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But everybody should know that trees do carbon capture.

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And this is not progressive to do eminent domain.

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and you haven't done your environmental due diligence.

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You're violating the charter.

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I'm going to speak to you, I'm a clesky in person.

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What was your name?

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Yeah, afternoon, again, council.

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I'm going to summarize this project very quickly.

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You guys were offered renewable energy tax credits.

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They became transferable with the Biden administration.

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Your predecessor, Doug, and said, hey, how can we use this?

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After decades of disinvestment in these neighborhoods,

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you guys decided to pave the way for commercial

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and industrial solar farms in the middle of residential neighborhoods.

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You said where could we pull the seed money?

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Mr. Eski, that power plant still stands.

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It's never been answered.

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Where is the $10 million?

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Why is it not remediated?

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You're reusing the money.

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You're misplacing it.

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How can we convince the neighbors?

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Offer the money, offer them upgrades.

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The upgrades could have happened anyway.

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This didn't have to go this way.

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You didn't have to have solar to get energy upgrades to residents of Detroit.

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Who's in the way? The property owners. How do we take care of them? Eminent domain. That's what you guys came up with.

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And guess what? I got involved because you wouldn't put reversion clauses. You wouldn't say, if it's not solar, the land goes back to the owners.

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That was my line that you crossed. So you took hundreds of properties. You're leasing it to a private company. You guys concocted a false narrative on social media.

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this ain't that fam as the fair russian said all this could have happened you could

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have put the solar on your own land you already had the land you could have

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done that and this does not contradict anything that any of these wonderful people

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have said today there would be jobs there'd be all the benefits fighting global

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warming you didn't have to take private property so much transition to our

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online callers was our first callers, sir.

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First caller is going to be the dot face signal.

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All right. Caller, the floor is yours.

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You have a minute, 30, general public comment.

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I want to say I appreciate you calling me young

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because I feel like you knew you were throwing me a bond earlier

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when you said, when you spoke about the moral and Bible

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islands, I just made a call and I got more information

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about the 15 year old deal that the marines have a Bible island.

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How do you have them pay taxes and they have 100 year deal

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for land if they don't pay taxes on.

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But when it comes down to solar and this whole deal here, I stand with everything Joanne and Darren both said and I also feel like

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When it comes down to no energy, we definitely need that we definitely need to

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Make sure we're getting our green footprint as big as we can get but we don't need to be at the expensive residence

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We don't need to take private land. We could have put this on top of city on buildings

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We could have put this in vast acres of city on land that would not disturb people that would have not used eminent domain

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Also, we have, I'm going to call it the exhumation of faking lots that have contaminated dirt right across the street from the Van Dyke lunch solar project on Elgin Street and Van Dyke, which is right by kids.

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So they not only do they have to continue with the solar farms looking outside when they go, I've seen them happen, I've seen some people over having a party, they had a party outside of solar farms.

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also they have contaminated dirt. So they have two environmental hazards. Also these

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use restrictions are going to be their favorite. The zoning is forever change. I think that's

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really ridiculous. Why you change the zoning forever and ever and ever for this deal that can

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be pulled out on the other end from the developers from DTE, but we have no recourse that they do.

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This is a terrible deal and the way it is done and wasting a lot of city assets and city phones on

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this deal. We need to do better when we plan these things and city money. All right.

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Next caller please. Our next caller is wanted to be William M. Davis. William M. Davis. The floor is yours minute 30 general public comment.

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Good afternoon, copy her. Yes, sir.

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Okay, and generally I am a various general advocate for renewable energy. I think that the city should be doing more wind. I know there are thermal and all sorts of other energy that does not pollute.

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I'm also think that the city should be doing more solar on city land and city buildings and city whatever where they could get direct benefit to the to the buildings.

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I think that we also need to be more careful as relates to enemy domain about taking people's property and taking out given the restrictions on their property to date for future use.

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I think we need to be fairly reviewing what we're doing and thoroughly know what's going on.

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Also, I think when you do stuff like this, especially with city funds being used, you know,

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the improvements to people's homes should not just be in that general area, but improvements should be citywide.

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The city funds are doing this.

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You know, so far too often you might do a project and whatever district,

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But they need to be doing stuff to help more city trade residents than what's going on now. Thank you. Thank you.

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Next caller please.

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Next caller Sandra Turner handy.

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Sandra Turner handy the floor is yours.

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I'm in the 30 general public comment.

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Good afternoon everyone.

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As the executive director of the Denver neighborhood alliance.

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I am in support of transferring the contact over on the solar, on solar.

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Due to the fact I'm here in the Houston-Widdy or Hayes area,

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our residents are in full support of this.

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They're wondering why they have not received their upgrades

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and I'm having to explain to them the transfer of the contract.

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The city moving toward solar is one of the best things we could do because it helps to reduce

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health disparities from greenhouse gases.

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It moves us into renewable energy that is so needed.

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I worked in the environmental field for over 15 years and have advocated it for more

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renewable energy in this city.

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But what I advocate for the most is that we, with this project, make our residents hold

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the city cannot promise residents that they're going to do these upgrades that they probably

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can't afford and then turn around and stop in the middle of a project.

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Our residents are our greatest assets.

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We have to support and we have to come through on promises that we make to our residents.

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So I am support of the transfer.

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Caller, please. Our next callers want to be Mr. Foster. Mr. Foster, the floor is yours. You have a minute, 30, general, public comment. Good afternoon, through the council body. Just a few things. I want to bring to your attention. A, the number of scandals that were spending a ball with DT the last four or five years. We talking about a private jet. We talking about to have one billion dollars in profits and paid no federal income tax.

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We talked about the Zug Island pollution five for a hundred million dollars. We talked about dark money through

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Now profit to overturn the governor's 2020 emergency powers, right? These are not the type of people to have our community in the best

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Entrance here will be as vulnerable as they are right now to be getting no advocate for somebody that's given a

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$1,500 and home repairs. It's what one of the people have articulated no more than $1,500

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out right and so we have to do a better job and educate in our community as far as education

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goes and politics as far as these go every time this city got in the crunch they called

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on Republicans when we talk about the bankruptcy you want a guy we public in Kevin or the comment

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as emergency manager when we talked about crime you want to got Republican James Craig to come

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in here and fix crime so when you get in front of our community making all these decisions

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and try to encourage us to vote for Democrats or whoever it is, show us your history

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and show us your work in these last 10 years. We want our community to benefit from every

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dime, every decision, every dollar that comes into the city moving forward.

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Next caller please.

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Next up is owner pop them.

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All right, caller of the floor's yours. You have two, excuse me, a minute 30, general public comment.

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Caller, are you there?

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Yes, through the chair, maybe hurt.

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Yes, ma'am.

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Good afternoon.

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You've heard Mr. Foster just then tell you that we should be involved in everything.

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This concert, what you have before us is fraudulent.

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First of all, light renewables is not in this contract anymore.

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They don't have any right to transfer anything.

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The people have the right to transfer to whomever they decide on.

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We need a full public hearing on solar and how you are rolling this out

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because it's been illegal the way you have been

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common daring, seizing homes.

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And this amended cost of energy, $285 per megawatt hours.

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If you understood what that means,

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you'll know that we could never produce that kind.

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This is not a sunny state.

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It is a state that is gloomy.

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It is one of the gloomy estates in the nation.

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And when you make people desperate,

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desperate because you have been misappropriating C, D, B, G funds, R for funds which should have

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gone to the residents to do these things.

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You even now misappropriate our tax dollars to clean up freeways.

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We could clean up our own quarters without being held hostage by a solar energy project.

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You are despicable if you vote for this and you have no idea of what you're voting on and

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And the contract, as it stands in front of us, is illegal.

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Lightstar has pulled out since last year.

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They should, their name should not even be on this docket.

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Thank you.

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Let's call the police.

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Our final callers want to be Miss Cindy Dara.

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Cindy Dara, the floor is yours.

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You have a minute, 30, general, public comment.

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Cindy Dara, are you there going once?

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Cindy Dara?

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OK, I'm here.

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I'm here.

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All right, I tried to get on public comment and I guess you don't really want to hear us.

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I had so many times over three where your screen disappeared or the sound disappeared

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and then it would say the host will be back shortly or whatever your little message.

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I don't know if other people got that but then when I could finally get the thing swipe

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up to where I could see the hand to raise? Well, guess what? My hand was lowered. So I kept

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raising it. I send you emails when this happens. But whoever is in charge of calling people evidently,

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they don't always respond to the emails. But it's really kind of, I guess I'm sending in another one.

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I think we need to have public comment before he vote in the beginning of the meeting. And by the way,

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a lot of people used to have it. I don't know why you have to cut off public comment. Other

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than half people, if you're getting enough money, you can stay there and listen to these

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other people taking all our money. You certainly should be able to let people make their comment

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whether and not put a deadline on it and make a comment after you vote so we can tell you

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how aren't don't like what you did but seriously that's the case and it's

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disgusting it really.

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All right it takes us to the end of our public comments and

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just for anybody else who may not be familiar with this process if you would like

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to provide any comments to this body that goes beyond the time that's being

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provided during the public comment section please feel free to provide those

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comments to the clerk's office and again they will be placed on to public

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the public record for review.

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All right, Madam Clerk, from the Office of Contracting and Precurement.

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Contract number 6-00943-A1, 100% city funding to amend terms for phase two solar,

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photolyphic energy development on city owned property in the Houston, Whitaker neighborhood.

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Excuse me, I'm sorry.

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I apologize.

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I don't have the agenda in front of me.

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That works.

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Okay.

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That works.

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And can we also move 4.2 as well together?

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4.2 contract number 6-0-0-6-3-4-3-A-1, 100% city funding to amend terms, 4-phase-1 solar

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for the prolific energy development on city-owned property in the state fair and grassed

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family.

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Thank you.

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Neighborhoods?

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right.

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Member McCamble, line items 4.1 and 4.2, sir.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Discussion?

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A lot of them is 4.2.

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No, he can do the discussion first, if he prefers.

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Line item 4.1 and 4.2 for discussion.

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Member McCamble.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Just want to tell about four discussions, because I know this is our first time.

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or in this special session to discuss this.

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So I want to open up for discussion for our colleagues.

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I want to bring forward the individuals who are joining us as well have information I believe we have.

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Mr. Shastain, Mr. Forreston, this is Valerie Brader I believe it is.

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And Sarah Patton, as well as Corporate Council,

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Corporation Council Mallet, kind of ran Mallet.

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I'm sorry. Did I miss a hand? Who was the hand? I wanted to discuss.

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I have questions.

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Member Miller.

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Through the chair, thank you for joining us. I will just start by saying as a new member

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on council, I would like to get an explanation of how we got here, what the cost increase

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will be, and what community benefits are being preserved, and what DT is receiving in

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exchange for stepping in.

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I don't view it as they are saving us, but they seem to be the only one willing at this

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time to move forward as we correct a wrong.

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So if you would expound on that, I would really appreciate it.

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Please do today for the record and floor yours.

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Absolutely.

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Through you, Mr. President, to Member Miller, Tricia Stein, I am Senior Director of Strategic

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initiatives for Mayor Sheffield. I'm also joined by my colleagues today who we will in response

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to Member Miller's question respond. We've got about a few slides. We won't go through the

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whole deck, but if Sarah Patton Solar Project Manager could share just the first slide really

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is to show you how we got here. So it is the five solar neighborhoods three years ago. Mayor Duggan

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put a call out to the city and in response to the Biden administration offering up tax credits

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to develop renewable energy at a way that made them financially viable. Five neighborhoods

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are what is shown up there. This is in response. A lot of them you heard from today,

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they applied to host solar in their neighborhood. In the dark shaded areas here,

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represent 165 acres that will be developed into solar arrays.

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Most of those areas were vacant, had one house on a block, and were subject to a lot of light and illegal dumping.

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Then the neighbors, when they applied, they also developed the impact area.

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And that is the red, just kick it back, sorry, yeah.

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The red, as it's got a mind of its own, okay, the red area around that is, was surrounded

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by more stable housing and a lot of owner occupied homes and when they applied, part

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of the development would be energy efficiency upgrades that the developers would deliver

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as part of hosting solar.

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And so there's 200 over 200 homes in those impact areas across these five neighborhoods

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that would receive anywhere in the solar portion $15,000 to $25,000 of energy efficiency upgrades.

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That was also met with DTE's energy efficiency program that they administer.

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And every home was able to receive $35,000 worth of benefits.

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And so you've heard from a lot of them today and were halfway through that project.

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project. So 111 homes. Yes, ma'am.

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At that part. I mean, the part about the light star failing. Yes, that's what I mean.

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I mean, if you just want to, but thank you in case anyone wants to hear that who did not

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know it, I do appreciate it. I think everyone here pretty much knows that portion.

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Yep. I'll go right to there. So yes, we're halfway there. And so that leaves half of the

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homes. Most of them, if not all of them by light star, have not been completed. And so I'd

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I love to turn it over to my colleague from a legal standpoint to expound on how we got here in the Lightstar contract.

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They have made notification to us over the last few months, the starting last fall that they could not develop their three solar areas.

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That's what they got, after an open competitive bid process we selected two vendors, DTE and Lightstar as a contingency.

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Three of those are light star.

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They did put us on notice last fall that they could not develop solar given the contract

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prices and they would need an increase.

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Then they also let us know at the beginning of the year that they were sold by an owner,

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but they were continuing to develop solar and they were trying to find an EPC that's the

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developer who develops solar and they were going to an open and competitive bid process.

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They shared those bids with us at the end of March, beginning of April, which were much higher.

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And then literally 24 hours later, they told us because of their new ownership, their own

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buying equity firm now, they no longer developed solar, which was a complete shock to us after

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months of working with them and trying to figure out what it was going to cost the city if

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we did a contract amendment with them.

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And now I'd love to turn it over to the legal folks to talk about from a contractual standpoint.

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And then Valerie Brader is our external expert to talk about the tax credits.

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Thank you.

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Yes, ma'am.

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Through the Council President, Councilperson Miller, as my colleague described, what

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Lightstar did to us was unexpected.

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There have been questions about what our contractual remedies might be vis-à-vis Lightstar.

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It is true that we do have a contract signed with Lightstar where they were given the opportunity, based on that contract, to go in once we had secured controlled the land and do all the preparation work in terms of bringing in the solar fields.

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They never did sign the virtual power purchasing agreement, which would have been given us the ability to pose on them significant costs, fines and remediation requirements, because we never actually got that far.

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We were waiting as Mrs. Dine pointed out for a price.

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The price was going to be the crucial element of the virtual power or purchasing agreement

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that they hesitated, I don't want to say refuse, but so far had not given us.

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We sent them, and I think Councilperson, I've shared this with this honorable body before.

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We sent a letter to Lightstar in December saying that you were in breach of the contract and

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that what we were going to do with the time that we then still had available was to

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re-bed the contract and go our separate ways.

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They asked us and utilized all of the goodwill that they had available with us to say, look,

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We are being purchased. If you don't withdraw the letter that you sent, the sale will not go through and we will be unable to do the contract work which we require to perform.

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Obviously, they lied to us.

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When they came in and said we are no longer in the development business, everything as

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a precursor prior to them actually just simply went away.

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Now, the option that we have,

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Is the assignment by light star to DTE? In response to some of the council questions that were

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received, it was the office of sustainability and the OCP that insisted that no matter what,

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no matter how good the proposition was or the prices were, that there be two vendors associated

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with the process. Just a council person miller that we knew this might happen because obviously

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that's not the case, that's not what we wanted to occur, but when it did happen there was

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an option, the option was DTE.

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Lightstar saw that as an option and asked us for permission to assign to DTE their contract.

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Now that's a negotiation council person Miller that takes place between Lightstar and DTE.

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It's not a conversation, it's not a negotiation that the city of Detroit participates in.

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And the very good news is that they were able to come to an agreement, obviously subject to this honorable bodies approval.

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So with that, that is the legal framework and that's the factual context of how it is that we got to where we are right now.

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Thank you.

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Alex, any further member or kelvin?

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Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone.

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I can probably say, I mean, the only council person who was voted against this project

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from day one, 100%, I've never vacillated, I've never wavered because I've done my

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research.

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And I think it's kind of disingenuous of you, Miss Trisha Stein, for you to say that you all

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just found out when Lifestar were sold, when you all were standing before us, they were

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in the middle of being sold, so I don't know why the right questions weren't answered,

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but they were sold January 31, 2024.

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And they were acquired by Eagle Creek Renewable Energy, which was later acquired by an equity

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firm called Apollo Global Management.

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So, for us, not to have known that they were being sold, why are you all standing here?

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Why are you standing here?

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So somebody didn't do their due diligence to protect the interests of we, the residents.

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And to me, that's very, very unfortunate.

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We find ourselves here today.

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I don't know why someone didn't do their due diligence to stay on top of the purchase

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of Lightstar.

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Because who's happening, why are you all standing here?

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This happened almost two years ago, and that's when you first started bringing this before us, and I continued to take the position that was not a way to address blight or crime in our city.

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And, you know, I'm just reading articles, so for you all to say you didn't know, you should have known.

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you should have known that they were being sold and the ramifications or the consequences of

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the sale. And to still have their names in these documents, I don't know if they need to be

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amended to reflect the name of Apollo global management. I don't know how we can move forward with

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company that's out of business. I don't know how that works. I really don't. And so I'm

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just, you know, very disappointed that we didn't stay on top of this very, very, it's

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a 35-year deal. And everybody knows we can't trust a DTE. They do not have us, our best

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interests in mind. They never have. And they turned off 120,000 people's electricities in

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the last year and a half. They're not a good partner. And I don't take any donations

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from them. So I'm just disappointed that somebody wasn't at the will of this. And somebody

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should have known, it's just, in my opinion, 35-year agreement. Nobody knew that the company

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that we had negotiated with and entered a contract with was sold to another company

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And then yet another company.

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And so, you know, would you see how it all pans?

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I don't know, people gas and refrigerators and stoves

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and roofs and windows.

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That's great.

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But the end of the day, we've destabilized neighborhoods.

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Nobody's going to go into those neighborhoods and buy anything.

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I want everybody to go to my childhood neighborhood,

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which is at Capitol and Greenfield and look at O'Shae Park

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and see what they've done over there.

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It's still blight, it's still crime.

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It did not address the problem.

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and it's so unfortunate that we find ourselves here today.

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I'm glad some people are happy about it.

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That's great.

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Some people did benefit, but what has happened,

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and you'll see, I won't be here,

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but you'll see in 35 years,

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we have destabilized entire communities.

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We've not made them better.

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And I always believe that when you go into an area,

440
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:10,030
you make it better than you left it.

441
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:14,150
And that's not going to be the narrative in 35 years.

442
00:50:14,290 --> 00:50:15,490
We are not gonna leave that area.

443
00:50:15,490 --> 00:50:20,470
It will probably be, probably be deserted, so thank you, Mr. Chair.

444
00:50:21,490 --> 00:50:22,930
Yeah, the corporation council.

445
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:26,770
Council, I'd rather do want to correct one thing for the record.

446
00:50:27,250 --> 00:50:33,870
Council President Caliroy, we absolutely knew that light star renewables are being purchased by Eagle Creek.

447
00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:35,290
They were in the same business.

448
00:50:35,330 --> 00:50:43,570
In fact, we knew that and counted that as a positive thus making light star even stronger and

449
00:50:43,570 --> 00:50:48,790
and providing a more firm basis for all of the work that we knew had to be done associated

450
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:49,730
with this project.

451
00:50:50,190 --> 00:50:56,730
We knew that Eagle Creek was in the process or that, excuse me, Lightstar had just been

452
00:50:56,730 --> 00:50:58,030
purchased by Eagle Creek.

453
00:50:58,190 --> 00:50:59,170
That was not news.

454
00:50:59,730 --> 00:51:03,950
That was in fact a positive factor that we used in terms of their evaluation.

455
00:51:05,010 --> 00:51:13,190
What was a surprise was the, first the eventual sale to Apollo and just also to point out

456
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:15,670
just so this honorable body is comfortable.

457
00:51:16,590 --> 00:51:23,890
Lightstar still is a viable LLC under the umbrella of the equity fund called Apollo.

458
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:27,110
They own a series of separate companies.

459
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:30,070
In this instance, Lightstar is one of them.

460
00:51:30,690 --> 00:51:38,390
So it is perfectly legally inappropriate for the City of Detroit to continue to deal with

461
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:45,830
light star as an entity, it continues to exist, and we knew that Eagle Creek was purchasing

462
00:51:45,830 --> 00:51:51,630
light star during the course of the initial process of our affiliation.

463
00:51:52,350 --> 00:51:53,010
Mr. Chair.

464
00:51:53,950 --> 00:51:54,550
Mayor Kelley?

465
00:51:54,730 --> 00:51:55,070
Thank you.

466
00:51:55,690 --> 00:51:59,430
No disrespect to you, Corporation Counsel, but that was never told to me.

467
00:51:59,690 --> 00:52:03,630
I don't think I've ever missed a meeting when we discussed solar, and every time we discussed

468
00:52:03,630 --> 00:52:07,090
and every time a contract has come before us, I've been a no vote.

469
00:52:07,730 --> 00:52:12,790
That I had never heard of Eagle Creek Renewable, and maybe we can check the minutes.

470
00:52:13,170 --> 00:52:17,630
I don't think that name was ever mentioned during the time that you all appeared before.

471
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:19,590
If it has been, I'd like to see it in writing.

472
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:22,290
The suggestion was that we didn't know about it.

473
00:52:22,450 --> 00:52:23,010
I don't know what that was.

474
00:52:23,010 --> 00:52:24,050
I thought you said you knew about it.

475
00:52:24,290 --> 00:52:25,250
We didn't know about it.

476
00:52:25,250 --> 00:52:25,510
No, I didn't.

477
00:52:25,930 --> 00:52:27,110
We absolutely knew about it.

478
00:52:27,110 --> 00:52:27,950
We go through the chair.

479
00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:28,290
Right.

480
00:52:28,570 --> 00:52:28,910
I'm sorry.

481
00:52:29,230 --> 00:52:29,910
Go through the chair.

482
00:52:29,970 --> 00:52:37,070
So, Mr. Chair, thank you, Mr. Chair, so I had never heard of Green Eagle Creek Renewable

483
00:52:37,070 --> 00:53:00,850
until I started reading myself, I did not know that they purchased Light Star in January of 2024 and I certainly would like to see any evidence of what you're saying, because I just don't remember ever hearing that Light Star was being purchased by Eagle Creek Renewable Energy, which was later acquired by an equity firm.

484
00:53:00,850 --> 00:53:06,170
This all in it for profit, everybody's in it for profit because DTE is everything they

485
00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:07,030
do is for profit.

486
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:12,590
So I have never, you know, disrespect to your corporation council, mallet heard you

487
00:53:12,590 --> 00:53:19,090
or Trisha Stein or the young lady sitting to the right of Ms. Stein, eagle, creek, renewable

488
00:53:19,090 --> 00:53:23,870
energy ever mentioned, could have been, but I'd like to see it that you did mention it and

489
00:53:23,870 --> 00:53:29,250
I stand corrected if you did, but I have a pretty good memory and I don't ever remember knowing

490
00:53:29,250 --> 00:53:35,090
I mean that lifestyle had been purchased and then later EGLE's Creek purchased by an equity firm.

491
00:53:35,470 --> 00:53:39,610
I just don't remember so if you can show me that in writing, I'd appreciate it.

492
00:53:40,130 --> 00:53:41,090
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

493
00:53:41,590 --> 00:53:42,330
Thank you.

494
00:53:43,010 --> 00:53:45,030
So I guess that does raise a question.

495
00:53:45,150 --> 00:53:49,170
I mean, it's one thing to know it and another thing for it to be communicated to the body.

496
00:53:49,410 --> 00:53:57,460
I mean, as we move forward with the contracts, I mean, I don't recall it myself either.

497
00:53:57,460 --> 00:54:02,860
And I have to say that my vote would have been different because everyone knows how I voted on this as well.

498
00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:06,560
Certainly when it came to District 1 and where they were going to be located.

499
00:54:06,780 --> 00:54:12,240
But do we have any documentation to show that it was presented to us because I don't recall that either.

500
00:54:13,220 --> 00:54:16,240
Through you, Mr. President, I am confirming that right now.

501
00:54:16,660 --> 00:54:24,860
I do remember it in writing, so now I'm checking to see what documents were submitted to this honorable body during phase 1 or phase 2.

502
00:54:24,860 --> 00:54:30,920
Gotcha. Okay. So those documents are being located, colleagues, any additional questions?

503
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:32,200
Member Johnson.

504
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:39,220
Thank you, Mr. Chair. First question, I think I have a lot of what's our

505
00:54:39,220 --> 00:54:46,580
recourse with light star? Has any litigation been filed? Are we pursuing them considering

506
00:54:46,580 --> 00:54:53,220
what Corporation Council indicated that they blatantly lied about what was going on with

507
00:54:53,220 --> 00:54:54,100
as an entity?

508
00:54:55,460 --> 00:55:01,680
Through the Chair, Councilperson Johnson, we are not currently involved in litigation

509
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:02,780
with Lightstar.

510
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:11,640
We believe that the assignment from Lightstar to DTE will, in fact, deliver to the citizens

511
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,680
Detroit, what was promised by the original contract.

512
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:24,700
effect. The issue really does come down to price. The litigation would focus around the

513
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:31,040
issue of whether or not the city of Detroit because of their malfeasance was required to

514
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:37,640
pay more for the product that was promised. Lightstar is very likely to say a number of

515
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:44,200
things, including the fact that they never agreed to a price, to that prices have changed

516
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,080
significantly because of the costs associated with inflation and tariffs.

517
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,580
At the end of the day, the litigation will be quite expensive.

518
00:55:52,420 --> 00:56:04,640
I do believe also that it would be used as a full come to undermine all of the other legal work that we've done prior to on this particular project.

519
00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:14,180
And so at this point, Councilperson Johnson, we don't anticipate a lawsuit again.

520
00:56:14,180 --> 00:56:21,280
light star, particularly if the assignment assumed by Detroit Edison goes as

521
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:28,100
smoothly as the prior contract with DTE has gone. Whatever our damages were,

522
00:56:28,660 --> 00:56:33,860
they would claim that because they had not given us a firm price prior to

523
00:56:33,860 --> 00:56:39,240
actually signing the virtual power purchase agreement that our damages were

524
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:45,460
minimal and that they would have in fact imposed on us very similar costs.

525
00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:52,350
So you're saying they did not give us a price.

526
00:56:52,670 --> 00:57:01,010
What did we approve of because they had given us a per kilowatt hour rate?

527
00:57:02,350 --> 00:57:07,470
DTE had also given us a rate now, but now we're saying that they did not.

528
00:57:08,650 --> 00:57:09,730
So good.

529
00:57:10,270 --> 00:57:11,510
Through you, Mr. President.

530
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:12,250
Yes, ma'am.

531
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:17,610
To remember, Johnson, in Light Star's contract, it was a minimum of a base and a maximum

532
00:57:17,610 --> 00:57:21,170
price that was approved with a 2% annual inflator.

533
00:57:22,030 --> 00:57:26,890
There was also the ability for them to amend that and ask for a higher rate.

534
00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:32,590
And that was part of the negotiations that we were doing late last summer and the fall to

535
00:57:32,590 --> 00:57:35,610
get them to sign the lease and in the power purchase agreement.

536
00:57:35,610 --> 00:57:38,230
They never committed to a price.

537
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:43,370
They did put it in writing to us in October that they would need additional dollars.

538
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:54,830
That the current rates in the contract were not sufficient to develop based on higher cost for supplies and equipment and contractors.

539
00:57:55,750 --> 00:58:04,710
And so then they went about the process to try to get EPC, the energy procurement in construction contractor to build it.

540
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:09,690
That's what they did for Q1 of 2026 and got four bids.

541
00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:11,410
They never committed to a price.

542
00:58:11,570 --> 00:58:15,250
They did tell us on record in writing that they needed additional money.

543
00:58:15,590 --> 00:58:23,430
They could not make the contracted rates work for the to develop.

544
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:32,270
And then they did share with us their EPC bids, which were higher than anything we'd ever seen before.

545
00:58:32,270 --> 00:58:40,910
But before they gave us a firm price to put into a prepaid agreement or a lease, or a contract amendment,

546
00:58:41,370 --> 00:58:45,870
that's when they told us they no longer developed solar per their new equity firm ownership.

547
00:58:46,690 --> 00:58:59,370
And so within that, the range, the kilowatt hour range that they provide it is DTE's rate within that range, it's underman.

548
00:58:59,370 --> 00:59:03,530
Through you, Mr. President, to Councilmember Johnson, it's less than.

549
00:59:05,070 --> 00:59:12,270
So DT's price is a levelized cost of energy, which is a flat fixed rate that is approved by MPSC.

550
00:59:12,970 --> 00:59:17,510
And they don't have a min-based max, they don't have a range in their contract.

551
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:23,390
I have a 2% inflator, it's a fixed flat rate in their other two contracts that will not change.

552
00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:27,170
And so the LCOE that is in this contract amendment,

553
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:32,850
per the assignment, is less than the rates that Lightstar gave us that they got for the EPC bids.

554
00:59:34,750 --> 00:59:36,330
Okay, through the chair.

555
00:59:36,510 --> 00:59:40,950
So can you provide more information about the expiring tax credits?

556
00:59:42,910 --> 00:59:52,090
Considering Lightstar had already been committed on the federal side to receive the tax credits.

557
00:59:52,090 --> 00:59:54,890
So, why are we now at a point where...

558
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:24,940
We're not able to re-bid it. Yes, ma'am. And instead of going out to re-bid, working with DTE. Yes, ma'am. Through Mr. President, to answer Member Johnson, we would like a Valerie Brader, our external counsel and subject matter expert on clean energy to answer that. She is the one that provided our guidance throughout this for the tax credits and clean energy development.

559
01:00:24,940 --> 01:00:43,770
Through the president to Member Johnson, under the IRS rules which changed approximately a year ago with the Federal Act, the credits are only available for projects that start prior to July 4th of this year.

560
01:00:44,530 --> 01:00:55,150
So in which are between 30 and 40% of the project cost, they have to have committed 5% of the project costs prior to July 4th of this year.

561
01:00:55,150 --> 01:01:14,690
because this is happening after December 31st of last year, and right now, you also can't use equipment that was purchased prior to then that doesn't qualify under some additional for an entity of concern rules that came into place.

562
01:01:14,690 --> 01:01:28,850
What this means in the upshot is that you have to have an entity that can commit 5% of the project costs with equipment that Lightstar did not purchase, that that entity purchases.

563
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:42,630
Before July 4th, in order for a project in order to be assured you would receive those credits, which are again between a minimum of 30 and as much as 40% of program costs.

564
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:45,460
Thank you.

565
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,080
Naturally, I am in a very difficult position.

566
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,340
I have two of these solar arrays in District 4.

567
01:01:55,040 --> 01:02:00,880
Some residents in one of them have already begun receiving the home improvements, the

568
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:06,320
upgrades to their property, and not all, not all in Graschett Finley.

569
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:13,280
And then in Houston, Whittier, I understand a few people have, but not everyone.

570
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:20,080
one. So I'm really interested in the totality of this. What happened with the community

571
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:29,080
partners that were involved is DTE assuming the cause that have already been spent on

572
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:36,820
home improvement for those who have already received the upgrades, like what is actually

573
01:02:36,820 --> 01:02:41,900
happening? There were a number of conversations that took place and I attended many of the

574
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:47,700
meetings with the community where we talked about how everything would look.

575
01:02:48,540 --> 01:03:00,220
There were some areas that selected having agriculture, agri-voteics, and growing things

576
01:03:00,220 --> 01:03:02,500
that could be eaten.

577
01:03:03,420 --> 01:03:10,140
What helped me to understand how that continues to move forward or does it?

578
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:20,460
Yes, through you, Mr. President, yes, I remember Johnson, in this assignment, DTE will take

579
01:03:20,460 --> 01:03:24,340
on all the rights and responsibilities in the contract, which include the neighborhood

580
01:03:24,340 --> 01:03:32,720
agreements regarding the design and the fence, Director Reston will talk about the urban

581
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:33,800
farms second.

582
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,300
They are also taking on the responsibility of the energy efficiency upgrades and completing

583
01:03:38,300 --> 01:03:38,640
them.

584
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:46,380
And they're also taking on all of the environmental work and the engineering that Lightstar has done.

585
01:03:46,540 --> 01:03:50,040
So they are taking on all the rights, all the responsibility, and they are assuming that.

586
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,840
And that is included in their LCOE price.

587
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:57,940
And then I'll have Director Reston talk about what happens with the food.

588
01:03:59,060 --> 01:04:02,100
Yes, and through the chair, member Jocelyn.

589
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:13,420
And so the neighbors that selected Agable Takes as part of their project design, we had

590
01:04:13,420 --> 01:04:17,740
started down the road with like star with four different urban farmers who were ready

591
01:04:17,740 --> 01:04:25,900
and willing to and really excited about taking on acres of land underneath the solar panels.

592
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,000
So we've gone through trainings and everything.

593
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:40,740
This is all in conjunction with our office, and then in this change, DCEs, arrays are very

594
01:04:40,740 --> 01:04:47,740
structured very differently than light stars, so light stars were 8 to 12-feet tall, they

595
01:04:47,740 --> 01:04:53,440
inverted with the sun, and they were just more conducive to have urban farming underneath.

596
01:04:54,320 --> 01:05:00,420
In this change of process, we learned DTE's process, they look just like O'Shae's, nothing changed.

597
01:05:00,620 --> 01:05:05,080
So they're shorter to the ground, they are not able to do the agribotics in the same way

598
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,240
that light star half propose.

599
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:13,000
And so I've worked with those farmers to make sure that their time and planning has been

600
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,240
compensated for the season.

601
01:05:15,020 --> 01:05:22,400
DTE has agreed to pay each of those farmers $5,000 to expand in different areas of the city,

602
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:42,240
whether that's their sites or to purchase land in the city, they're going to pay them $5,000 per acre that they had planned with light star, and we're also developing farm stands or community spaces in the in the in the solar areas where we can bring fresh produce to those neighbors and and and still live up to those neighborhood agreements.

603
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:45,460
Thank you for that.

604
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:50,940
So is DTE not able to do the solar the way light star idea?

605
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:55,000
Because it sounds like it would capture more energy.

606
01:05:57,300 --> 01:05:57,540
Yes.

607
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:02,920
I don't know if there's a rep from DTE that can talk about the excellent design.

608
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,080
Julie, are you able to speak on behalf of?

609
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:11,680
Mr. President, also are the solar developers here for the community representative.

610
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,200
and you also have a D.T. leadership who are developing something like that.

611
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:16,440
Whoever it is, come on down.

612
01:06:17,020 --> 01:06:17,640
Oh, sorry.

613
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,500
Yes, I'm sorry, Mr. President.

614
01:06:19,660 --> 01:06:21,280
So yes, the subject matter experts are here.

615
01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:23,400
This all a development team and leadership team.

616
01:06:24,460 --> 01:06:25,500
All right, you have been summoned.

617
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:26,480
Come forward, please.

618
01:06:39,770 --> 01:06:41,210
Please introduce yourself for the record.

619
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:45,780
Hit that button in front of the.

620
01:06:46,460 --> 01:06:51,940
Thank you very much, Mr. President and Council of Daniel Mahoney, Director of Policy and Regional Affairs for D.T.E.

621
01:06:52,700 --> 01:06:54,700
Here with my colleague, who I'll let introduce himself.

622
01:06:54,700 --> 01:06:57,800
Good afternoon.

623
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,420
Sean Goode, Director of Renewable Energy at DTE.

624
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:02,200
Mr. Johnson.

625
01:07:02,820 --> 01:07:03,920
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

626
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:13,680
So the question is whether or not DTE is able to install solar panels that rotate with the Sun to be able to capture more energy.

627
01:07:14,140 --> 01:07:17,540
Through the Chair, I'll let my colleague Sean be a response to the question.

628
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:23,200
Yeah, the way that we design this solar array are with fixed racking systems.

629
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:24,680
They do not rotate with the Sun.

630
01:07:25,140 --> 01:07:48,440
And that was our standard for a number of reasons that engineering when we looked at this and we did this in our previous installations at O'Shea, and we're doing it at Castle, and we're going to be doing it at Greenfield, so we hold that standard from a Operation Maintenance Profile, and that's what we were we engineered that was best for this site, we're able to follow light stars design.

631
01:07:49,660 --> 01:07:55,920
Through the chair, so would it be more expensive for a rotation?

632
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,540
I can't answer that, because they did their own design with their own cost estimates.

633
01:08:01,900 --> 01:08:03,780
We did our own design with our own cost estimates.

634
01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:09,340
When we had the opportunity to evaluate these properties and how we would put these assets

635
01:08:09,340 --> 01:08:09,620
in.

636
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:14,460
And so that's what our engineering team had come up with, that's the best use for that site

637
01:08:14,460 --> 01:08:14,940
as we saw.

638
01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:18,840
So DTE has never done any of that rotates with the Sun.

639
01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:21,360
I'd have to find that out.

640
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:25,140
I don't, for my knowledge, I don't know if we have any in our asset profiles.

641
01:08:26,940 --> 01:08:28,020
Okay, thank you.

642
01:08:28,580 --> 01:08:32,140
My last question is in regards to elevate.

643
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,920
Elevate was, were they working directly with Lightstar?

644
01:08:36,180 --> 01:08:39,240
Are they still involved in this project at all?

645
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,920
Through you, Ms. President, to member Johnson, elevate is a subcontractor of light.

646
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:49,740
star and with the assignment they would no longer be a subcontractor.

647
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,280
Thank you, that's all I have for now.

648
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:54,060
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

649
01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:54,700
Thank you.

650
01:08:55,060 --> 01:08:55,680
Remember waters.

651
01:08:58,320 --> 01:08:58,780
Thank you.

652
01:08:58,860 --> 01:08:59,760
Thank you, Mr. President.

653
01:09:01,220 --> 01:09:07,740
My first question would be the residents in the city of Detroit going to see any decrease

654
01:09:07,740 --> 01:09:08,900
in their energy bills.

655
01:09:11,180 --> 01:09:17,480
Through you, Mr. President, to member waters, with the energy efficiency upgrades, we do have

656
01:09:17,480 --> 01:09:22,680
of actual usage that we are able to track out of 111 homes that have been completed.

657
01:09:23,340 --> 01:09:26,860
We are seeing, again, those are actual data that we get.

658
01:09:27,340 --> 01:09:33,420
We are seeing a over 20% reduction in the usage of these homes that have got the energy

659
01:09:33,420 --> 01:09:35,980
efficiency already, both in electricity and gas.

660
01:09:36,620 --> 01:09:43,520
Because of privacy, we are not able to see the financials, but the residents have told us

661
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:50,080
anecdotally that they are receiving a reduction in their energy bills anywhere from 25 to 35 dollars a month

662
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:56,240
They are seeing but we are tracking the actual usage and that is been going down and it's more energy efficient

663
01:09:56,240 --> 01:10:00,600
I hope so because I need to see some in mine, okay

664
01:10:02,300 --> 01:10:07,160
Through you, Mr. President, we'll talk about some energy efficiency upgrades for you off the charts

665
01:10:07,740 --> 01:10:12,040
You know, it is hard to love on DT. I'm telling you I

666
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,980
I mean, those high-energy bills are killing us.

667
01:10:17,420 --> 01:10:19,700
So the purchase agreement,

668
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,400
they never signed one, right?

669
01:10:24,660 --> 01:10:26,100
Yes, they did not.

670
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:26,880
They did not.

671
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:27,120
They did not, right.

672
01:10:27,620 --> 01:10:28,560
So what about DTE?

673
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:29,780
Have they signed one?

674
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,020
Through you, Mr. President, to member waters.

675
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,700
Yes, they have signed for Van Dyke Lynch.

676
01:10:35,420 --> 01:10:39,720
And we are in the process of doing the final T's and C's for Greenfield Park,

677
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,080
which was phase two, which was, you know, a number of months behind.

678
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:50,160
But yeah, there was our fully executed and have a sat-rate on time and making the milestones.

679
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:56,620
There was a gentleman here a little earlier, because you know what is all said and done.

680
01:10:56,820 --> 01:11:02,640
For me, it is about the people, the residents, and what it is that they feel they can get out of this.

681
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:08,140
So there was a gentleman who testified sitting right up there, I don't know if he's still here, or not.

682
01:11:08,140 --> 01:11:15,240
But he said that he went through all of the procedures, and he hasn't heard anything after

683
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:19,980
you got his financials, you never got back with him so that he can get what he believed

684
01:11:19,980 --> 01:11:21,080
that he was due.

685
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:23,780
What is going to happen with him?

686
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:24,340
Yeah.

687
01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:28,300
Through you, Mr. President, to remember what is there's also a resident that's not here today

688
01:11:28,300 --> 01:11:28,680
the member.

689
01:11:28,820 --> 01:11:30,480
Johnson has also flagged for us.

690
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:59,280
There are a few who, because of a delay in getting started and a delay from Lightstar and their implementers that the upgrades are woefully behind, and we need to, with the transfer, we will be able to switch the implementers, and you also heard from DTE, both of their implementers were here today and Seal and Walker Miller.

691
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:07,060
and their commitment to this project and they are Detroit-based and their workers are Detroit-based.

692
01:12:07,180 --> 01:12:10,440
They have a commitment to finishing those energy efficiency.

693
01:12:10,620 --> 01:12:12,960
That is part of the assignment that they will take on. Yes, ma'am.

694
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:17,700
So this general might come back and tell me later that he's been taken care of.

695
01:12:18,180 --> 01:12:18,680
I hope so.

696
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:20,500
That's what I need to hear.

697
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:22,960
I hope so.

698
01:12:27,220 --> 01:12:27,580
Me too.

699
01:12:27,580 --> 01:12:30,420
to imminent domain for a moment.

700
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,400
You know, this project first came to us.

701
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:44,120
We talked about the fact that if homeowners, especially on occupied and not want to sell,

702
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,700
they don't want to participate, they didn't have to.

703
01:12:47,820 --> 01:12:56,300
And I need to be reassured that we are not forcing them to do anything, that they do not want

704
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:56,660
to do.

705
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:06,400
So last time we spoke, you said that you had not taken any homes from owner occupied.

706
01:13:07,620 --> 01:13:16,400
What about the other homes that you've used in the domain on private properties that

707
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,400
not owner occupied but other properties? How many?

708
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:25,240
So the Corporation

709
01:13:31,480 --> 01:13:34,700
Council looks at up through you, Mr. President, to remember waters.

710
01:13:35,180 --> 01:13:39,920
There were 32 owner-occupied homes that all voluntarily sold.

711
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,780
And I know the next question that you asked me, so I'll answer that first.

712
01:13:45,500 --> 01:13:50,880
Is there was $125,000 on average that they received?

713
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:56,940
And then as the Corporation Council repairs to answer landlords on average received $60,000.

714
01:13:56,940 --> 01:13:57,960
dollars for their property.

715
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:06,400
Why do we keep hearing people from the community to say, well, you're taking private property?

716
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:13,360
I mean, I need to understand that because they say it was so much conviction as it was

717
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:14,820
really happening to people.

718
01:14:14,980 --> 01:14:17,220
So I mean, I really need to understand that.

719
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:26,860
Mr. President, if I may, excuse me, Councilperson Waters, there is no doubt that

720
01:14:26,860 --> 01:14:31,320
that we used imminent domain on vacant lots.

721
01:14:32,420 --> 01:14:39,340
There were some people who owned vacant lots who did not believe that the $2,500 per

722
01:14:39,340 --> 01:14:41,960
vacant lot that we were offering was appropriate.

723
01:14:43,220 --> 01:14:53,960
They then, and there are a number of them, went to court and currently we have one just compensation

724
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:54,980
case in Wayne County.

725
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:29,980
We have four just compensation cases for phase two, but all of them, member waters, all of them regarding vacant lots. There's no question that a vacant lot is still a valuable piece of property in the city of Detroit, and it is yours. And there is no question that people, they're their property privately. But in those instances, what we're going to do

726
01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:36,200
when we could not agree upon a price, we used imminent domain to, in fact, either force

727
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:40,440
the negotiation or force the sale under the supervision of a court.

728
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,100
But it was only the vacant lot.

729
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:45,260
How many did you say there were?

730
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:54,160
There were 270 private vacant lots, and I just want to say to the entire honorable body,

731
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,940
1772 were, in fact, publicly owned.

732
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:07,500
And okay, I'm still not sure the number that you've used

733
01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:08,980
imminent domain owned just yet.

734
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:16,420
So we use imminent domain on 270 private vacant lots.

735
01:16:16,700 --> 01:16:19,080
Well, even that's an exaggeration.

736
01:16:19,820 --> 01:16:22,140
There were 270 vacant lots.

737
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:53,400
We had of the 272, we only used imminent domain, there are 11 cases still pending, one

738
01:16:53,960 --> 01:17:00,740
just compensation case, three deed restriction cases, and one remaining case to clear up title

739
01:17:00,740 --> 01:17:07,460
in phase one, phase two, four just compensation cases and two deed restriction cases.

740
01:17:08,380 --> 01:17:13,640
The vast majority, because I don't have to precise number, the vast majority, all of

741
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:20,560
the owners, took what was offered or we were able to negotiate a price.

742
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:27,420
There were minimum number of imminent domains, but whatever imminent domains, a counsel person

743
01:17:27,420 --> 01:17:31,660
and that were used, were used on vacant lots.

744
01:17:32,940 --> 01:17:38,740
Okay, all right, because, you know, I certainly didn't want to see it used on owner occupied

745
01:17:38,740 --> 01:17:39,560
and that's for sure.

746
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:50,520
No, they were not on PREs, now there were, when there were landlords, rental property.

747
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:56,140
Right, rental property, and we could not enter into an agreement.

748
01:17:56,140 --> 01:17:58,440
We did use eminent domain.

749
01:17:58,820 --> 01:18:03,240
I don't have the number of landlord, rental property.

750
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,460
The landlord satisfied with what you offer?

751
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:05,840
One.

752
01:18:06,220 --> 01:18:06,560
Forty-one.

753
01:18:10,930 --> 01:18:18,170
There were forty-one, but does that mean that this is the number of eminent domain cases?

754
01:18:18,570 --> 01:18:18,990
No.

755
01:18:20,850 --> 01:18:27,950
The vast majority of the rental properties, again, we were able to negotiate a prize.

756
01:18:27,950 --> 01:18:34,330
there were 41 of those council person waters I don't have in front of me the

757
01:18:34,330 --> 01:18:40,890
number of rental properties where we use imminent domain I don't want to say

758
01:18:40,890 --> 01:18:49,970
none but I absolutely can guarantee you is less than 10 okay and and so but the

759
01:18:49,970 --> 01:18:55,650
rest of them did agree the rest of them did agree yes man and and that's that's

760
01:18:55,650 --> 01:19:02,010
always been my concern that we work something out with people that they can actually live

761
01:19:02,010 --> 01:19:09,970
with and of course never to take on our occupied properties because I know how difficult

762
01:19:09,970 --> 01:19:15,130
it is for people to be you know get to home ownership and so we have to always be very

763
01:19:15,130 --> 01:19:16,450
careful with that.

764
01:19:16,990 --> 01:19:21,770
Does anybody know how many jobs are we going to get and how long would they last.

765
01:19:21,770 --> 01:19:30,690
I am curious about that because I want to make sure that people in the community know about these jobs and we can get Detroiters some of these jobs for sure.

766
01:19:31,370 --> 01:19:42,190
Through you, Mr. President, to member Waters, you heard from at least one today, and there was a jobs report per your request that was submitted yesterday.

767
01:19:43,190 --> 01:19:51,750
Currently, there's just under 230 jobs that are created from the DTE portion of the two of the five.

768
01:19:51,750 --> 01:20:02,170
that are up and running in Van Dyke Lynch and Greenfield Park that is spread across the implementers to do the energy efficient upgrades and the construction bills.

769
01:20:02,890 --> 01:20:11,850
Then there is an additional, at least 50 jobs that will be created by the assignment for the other three areas.

770
01:20:12,170 --> 01:20:18,850
Because some of the jobs will be transferred over because Van Dyke Lynch will be all the energy efficiency upgrades are completed in Van Dyke Lynch.

771
01:20:18,850 --> 01:20:23,330
So then those jobs will go to different neighborhoods.

772
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:25,810
So we're looking at just under 300 jobs.

773
01:20:26,110 --> 01:20:32,150
And just one other final question, oh, Shay, are there residents living over there now?

774
01:20:32,850 --> 01:20:35,050
Through you, Mr. President, to member orders, yes.

775
01:20:35,710 --> 01:20:39,130
And we have taken a look at their property values.

776
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:45,370
Because that was one of the data points that we were asked two years ago when these contracts were here in front of the sound of a body.

777
01:20:45,370 --> 01:20:53,110
And so we continue to take a look at the on property values, and they have continuously increased greater than the solar neighborhoods.

778
01:20:54,190 --> 01:20:59,250
Just as an evaluation point that we were asked about two years ago, we've continuous to monitor that.

779
01:20:59,630 --> 01:21:06,010
And the O'Shea property values are 41% greater than the other five solar neighborhoods.

780
01:21:08,180 --> 01:21:09,640
Okay, thank you, Mr. President.

781
01:21:10,260 --> 01:21:10,640
Thank you.

782
01:21:10,940 --> 01:21:16,660
Mr. Chair, I want to want to make sure everyone who did not have a question yet had a chance to do so.

783
01:21:16,660 --> 01:21:20,960
So first, okay, thank you, did you start off?

784
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:22,460
I didn't say any questions.

785
01:21:23,500 --> 01:21:26,260
Member McCamble followed by, member Cali.

786
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:27,460
Follows on to your member.

787
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:29,160
Santiago McNarrow.

788
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:33,080
A question on the OSHA community.

789
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:37,040
You say it increased, the property value has increased 41%.

790
01:21:37,460 --> 01:21:42,680
What was the comparable rate around the, the neighborhoods around OSHA?

791
01:21:43,260 --> 01:21:44,440
Do you have those numbers?

792
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:51,660
Through Mr. President, to member Campbell, it was a 41% increase over the other five areas.

793
01:21:52,380 --> 01:21:57,140
So it was a data point two years ago that we were asked to provide.

794
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:02,100
So then we've continuously just looked to see from a property value standpoint,

795
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:03,860
O'Shae versus the five neighborhoods.

796
01:22:04,100 --> 01:22:10,160
And so O'Shae is 51% higher than the solar neighborhoods.

797
01:22:10,620 --> 01:22:12,740
But I don't have the property values.

798
01:22:12,740 --> 01:22:18,040
Okay, because that would that would be something I would wonder around understanding over the other solar neighborhoods

799
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:24,120
But sitting around the area that it is because we also know that home values have gone up across the city

800
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:31,320
So I want to see how that compares to a neighborhood right next to it. I have a question on

801
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,700
the use of the land, you know

802
01:22:35,700 --> 01:22:40,780
We've had quite a bit of conversation in committee, so I don't have a lot of questions because I've already asked them

803
01:22:40,780 --> 01:22:43,280
But do you still land after the 35 years?

804
01:22:43,460 --> 01:22:46,600
Because my whole thing was that this is a 35 year deal.

805
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:52,480
I understand there would be decommission just the life of the panels before that land,

806
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:58,560
because it has come up with, what are our plans with that land after the 35 years?

807
01:23:00,020 --> 01:23:05,920
Through the chair to member Campbell, you know, we don't have plans after 35 years.

808
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:13,600
that will be entirely up to folks who are here in 35 years to decide what that would be in those neighborhoods.

809
01:23:13,980 --> 01:23:18,640
So that will be entirely up to those neighbors and the residents of the city of Detroit in 35 years.

810
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:20,460
Appreciate the director.

811
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:29,440
I think that's one of the concerns that is coming up right that understand that we have a need for clean energy in the city.

812
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:33,340
I understand that there is a need to get rid of blighted property and such.

813
01:23:34,140 --> 01:23:40,400
But as I've heard from the residents on the aspect that sure we'll have a solid farm there at that time.

814
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,180
But when we're thinking about planning and

815
01:23:43,180 --> 01:23:48,620
the neighborhoods and such, I think residents also want to know what is the long term plan for their neighborhoods.

816
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,000
And I know 35 years, I won't be around here either.

817
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,560
But the aspect of when we're thinking about planning a master planning,

818
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:02,060
I think residents want to know, especially as we're talking about right across from their homes and such.

819
01:24:02,460 --> 01:24:08,040
So that's something that I think we really have to have a deeper conversation about.

820
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:12,480
Because we know in 35 years these solar panels will not be there, that's one thing that we know.

821
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:23,520
So I think doing a little bit that we know there will be other decision makers here thinking about what can be there and what would be there to increase the quality of life for neighborhoods further.

822
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,980
So I just wanted to make that point there.

823
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:28,000
Thank you, thank you, Mr. Chair.

824
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:30,280
All right, thank you.

825
01:24:31,260 --> 01:24:32,140
Member Tellaway.

826
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:32,760
Thank you.

827
01:24:33,480 --> 01:24:37,420
As I indicated earlier, the O-Shake Park areas where I grew up,

828
01:24:37,980 --> 01:24:39,980
the property value has not gone up.

829
01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:40,640
That's not true.

830
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,340
The property values over there have gone down.

831
01:24:43,480 --> 01:24:44,460
They're mostly renters now.

832
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:45,320
They used to be homeowners.

833
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:46,620
Just do a walkthrough.

834
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:47,600
Do a walkthrough.

835
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:52,460
I did one of my colleagues was my guest over there about a year or so ago.

836
01:24:54,780 --> 01:24:56,900
And she said, we sat on the bench together.

837
01:24:57,460 --> 01:25:00,900
Some of the promises that DTE made, they never kept them.

838
01:25:01,300 --> 01:25:03,200
They said they're going to have a concert stage there.

839
01:25:03,700 --> 01:25:04,300
That's not there.

840
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:06,300
They said they're going to build out the green space.

841
01:25:06,540 --> 01:25:07,180
They didn't do that.

842
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:08,560
There are no flowers over there.

843
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:09,700
There are no trees over there.

844
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,720
And so all of that is just not true.

845
01:25:13,300 --> 01:25:14,100
It's just not true.

846
01:25:15,180 --> 01:25:19,240
And after 35 years, the land will be contaminated.

847
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:20,140
And we all know that.

848
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:21,560
Who's going to do the cleanup?

849
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:26,880
Once the solar panels are removed, the soil would be contaminated and we all know that.

850
01:25:27,460 --> 01:25:30,580
So some of the things you're saying, Ms. Steiner, just absolutely not true.

851
01:25:31,480 --> 01:25:36,440
I lived over there most of my childhood life and those homes don't look the same.

852
01:25:36,700 --> 01:25:39,920
They're mostly renters, love renters, love landlords as well and homeowners.

853
01:25:40,540 --> 01:25:46,480
But over there today we have made it worse for the residents and we know that we have.

854
01:25:46,580 --> 01:25:50,040
So I would invite my colleagues as I have been doing for the last 18 months.

855
01:25:50,040 --> 01:26:10,140
If you haven't done so, to go over there and look at what DTE has not done, and my colleague Gabriella Santiago Ramera was the one sitting on the bench with me and we looked out and we had some really good conversations and I was a no then I'm no now because it has not increased the property value of any house over there.

856
01:26:10,140 --> 01:26:16,600
There's a lot of light, there's a lot of homes that are vacant, fallen apart.

857
01:26:17,180 --> 01:26:20,800
There's still a lot of crime in the area, that's 4-8227.

858
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,080
And they tore down the rec center, didn't replace it.

859
01:26:25,480 --> 01:26:29,920
You left them one tire swing, two regular swings, and two benches.

860
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:34,700
And that's all the DTE did, they did not keep their end of the bargain.

861
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:36,840
And this happened before I got on the council.

862
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:42,760
But we need to go back and look at what DTE actually promise and see if they kept those promises and that will

863
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:52,580
guide us in terms of the promises that they're now making today, but they don't keep their promises and a lot of people think that their utility bills are going to go down.

864
01:26:52,700 --> 01:26:55,100
Only if you got some upgrades to your home,

865
01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:01,480
the solar energy is bypassing the neighborhoods and only coming down here to

866
01:27:01,480 --> 01:27:05,100
buildings, that's where the solar energy is being directed.

867
01:27:05,220 --> 01:27:08,720
It's not going into the neighborhoods and people still believe it's going into the neighborhoods.

868
01:27:09,100 --> 01:27:12,980
The solar power is bypassing your neighborhood and

869
01:27:12,980 --> 01:27:19,300
coming downtown to provide power to about 21 to 21 to 21 to 27.

870
01:27:19,300 --> 01:27:23,920
It's been a minute since I looked at the numbers between 21 to 27 buildings.

871
01:27:24,860 --> 01:27:26,540
And I would love to know where those buildings are.

872
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:31,240
But it's bypassing the neighborhoods where the solar farms are actually located.

873
01:27:32,100 --> 01:27:34,080
That's my memory, not unless it's changed.

874
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,220
So to say that the property values have gone up, they have not.

875
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:43,540
I don't know the last time you were over there, but I'm over there quite frequently.

876
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:44,320
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

877
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:45,380
Thank you.

878
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:47,240
I remember Santiago Romero.

879
01:27:48,660 --> 01:27:49,740
Thank you, Mr. President.

880
01:27:50,100 --> 01:27:53,840
I just want to, for the record, say that I do support solar.

881
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,620
I support good union jobs, and I have already supported this project.

882
01:27:58,620 --> 01:28:05,700
That is before these amendments, including DTE, as the main entity to build this out.

883
01:28:06,260 --> 01:28:12,220
Quite frankly, I believe that DTE should be building solar, that they should be providing

884
01:28:12,220 --> 01:28:14,920
good jobs, and that they should pay for it themselves.

885
01:28:15,980 --> 01:28:23,280
Quite frankly, it is a hard thing to ask us to pay for this, for a company that has stock

886
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:28,340
holders that collect our money that could very much invest it back into this infrastructure.

887
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:34,520
So this time around, I will be a no for these projects, unfortunately, again, as someone

888
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:41,760
that supports solar, I can't also support a company that also charges me in a incredible

889
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:45,300
amount of money each month as it does for the rest of our residents.

890
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:52,500
I think we should address that issue, DTE being a monopoly, quite frankly, having control

891
01:28:52,500 --> 01:28:58,620
the role of the grid and of the infatuation of this capacity and I will not be able to support it, thank you, Mr. President.

892
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:04,860
Thank you. Now, this is the moment that you all talked to us about the potential of contaminated soil.

893
01:29:06,020 --> 01:29:13,140
I know that was one of the prospects that was raised when these contracts came to us in the first time around and

894
01:29:13,140 --> 01:29:21,360
many of the conversations that were had in the community they were raised as well and I heard something that was different.

895
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:30,100
I haven't heard you refute that at all with any information or evidence, so this is the time to do so if that is the case.

896
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:32,300
Thank you, Mr. President, for that.

897
01:29:32,660 --> 01:29:37,120
Again, I would like our subject matter expert on clean energy and our external counsel,

898
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:45,460
Valor Rader to talk about the health benefits from solar and then also to exactly address that claim.

899
01:29:45,460 --> 01:29:54,240
And again, you can state where you're from so that folks know you are you from DTE or you from any other entity like this so please please state where you from

900
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,700
I'm Valerie Brader. I'm external legal council to the city and I never represent DTE. I always represent entities that are in negotiations if there is going to be a DTE part. So I don't represent DTE ever. In terms of the question regarding soil contamination, the Department of Energy has done tests where they take solar panels, kind of crush them until it does run water through and then test for

901
01:30:29,700 --> 01:30:34,020
heavy metal contamination, things like that, without finding any increases.

902
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:40,600
So the concerns regarding soil contamination, I think, are unlikely to occur.

903
01:30:41,020 --> 01:30:45,120
I think if anything, you would have less contamination thing.

904
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:50,760
So I don't think you're going to have a problem of being unable to use the property due to having

905
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:55,700
solar there, the tests that have been done by governments trying to see if they would find

906
01:30:55,700 --> 01:30:56,480
contamination.

907
01:30:56,740 --> 01:30:57,160
Have not.

908
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,420
I'm sorry, was there another item that you wanted to talk about?

909
01:31:01,420 --> 01:31:03,480
That was my question.

910
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:04,220
Oh, the electricity.

911
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:04,980
I'm sorry.

912
01:31:05,460 --> 01:31:06,140
No, no, no.

913
01:31:06,260 --> 01:31:06,900
It's the contamination.

914
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:07,560
Sorry, Mr. President.

915
01:31:07,620 --> 01:31:09,080
Just sticking on contamination.

916
01:31:09,660 --> 01:31:11,080
That's the main thing we're talking about.

917
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:14,440
I mean, especially now with us having contracts for contaminated soil.

918
01:31:14,940 --> 01:31:18,780
I mean, that's all in a lot of people's mind at this moment to make sure that we don't,

919
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,740
you know, double down on that concern, if you will.

920
01:31:21,740 --> 01:31:22,480
Yeah.

921
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:33,020
Again, there are the evidence that has been done to see if solar panels would end up creating a contamination

922
01:31:33,020 --> 01:31:41,860
have not found that when they have done very extensive testing that if you were going to see something, it would be coming out of that.

923
01:31:43,060 --> 01:31:50,460
So again, just, you know, my personally, I would not, there are things that you might want to be concerned about, you know, creating

924
01:31:50,460 --> 01:31:52,260
in contamination. This is not one of them.

925
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:56,140
Okay. And then my other question, and I'm going to get to you, a corporation council.

926
01:31:56,220 --> 01:32:01,300
I know we've been talking about the O'Shea installation, and I believe that was installed.

927
01:32:01,420 --> 01:32:02,800
Was that doing a kill Patrick administration?

928
01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:03,540
2017.

929
01:32:04,020 --> 01:32:10,580
2017? Okay. So in terms of the agreements that was made,

930
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:17,880
that were made, how dissimilar or similar to that particular installation, are we talking

931
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,820
about in comparison to what we have before us today.

932
01:32:21,180 --> 01:32:25,380
To you, Mr. President, two separate different arrangements.

933
01:32:25,820 --> 01:32:28,980
O'Shea came, as we've said, he was coming out of bankruptcy.

934
01:32:29,260 --> 01:32:32,860
It was a lease to DTE for this property.

935
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:40,340
They developed it, it's their project, it's their agreement to do so.

936
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:46,420
And as we've been very open and transparent about here two years ago, when the contracts

937
01:32:46,420 --> 01:32:48,040
a lot of lessons learned.

938
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,220
They were the first neighborhood that Mayor Duggan went to,

939
01:32:51,380 --> 01:32:55,340
to hear about how it went during the development

940
01:32:55,340 --> 01:32:56,240
and how it was going.

941
01:32:57,060 --> 01:33:01,540
And we learned a lot about the energy efficiency upgrades

942
01:33:01,540 --> 01:33:04,980
that happened just on a very small scale,

943
01:33:04,980 --> 01:33:06,760
but should have been in a larger scale.

944
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:12,740
And then also the development around for the designs,

945
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,020
the fencing, the plantings.

946
01:33:15,020 --> 01:33:19,700
And that really informed what this contract, what these contracts for the Solar

947
01:33:19,700 --> 01:33:25,500
Neighborhood Initiative is, the neighbors designed the areas, both for solar

948
01:33:25,500 --> 01:33:29,580
and then the energy efficiency upgrades. And then the neighbors chose what

949
01:33:29,580 --> 01:33:34,420
the fence would look like, what the designs will be both around the fence and

950
01:33:34,420 --> 01:33:39,640
inside. And a lot of those lessons learned and mistakes that were made in

951
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:42,540
then informed on the current contracts.

952
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:48,180
All right, thinking I would say in the air, I believe the O.S.A. direction was closed

953
01:33:48,180 --> 01:33:50,440
down during that administration. That's the difference.

954
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:53,420
Corporations Council, I know you had something you wanted to add.

955
01:33:53,780 --> 01:34:00,080
I did, sir. If you look at section 1.5 of the contract, it says directly DTE,

956
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:05,300
Council Member McCamble, shall decommission the solar project in accordance with

957
01:34:05,300 --> 01:34:11,800
With this contract, the obligations contained in this section 1.5 shall survive the expiration

958
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:13,840
or early termination of the least.

959
01:34:14,420 --> 01:34:22,740
It then, Mr. President, goes on to say, DTE shall indemnify, defend, with counsel acceptable

960
01:34:22,740 --> 01:34:29,560
to the city and a DTE sole cost and hold city detroit harmless from and against all losses,

961
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:34,380
liabilities, obligations, penalties, claims, so on and so forth.

962
01:34:34,500 --> 01:34:38,640
In connection with or arising out of, in whole or in part,

963
01:34:38,900 --> 01:34:42,600
whether directly or indirectly the transportation treatment,

964
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:48,500
storage, disposal, production, manufacture, or use of the actual

965
01:34:48,500 --> 01:34:53,700
or threatened escape, dispersal, seepage, migration, emission of

966
01:34:53,700 --> 01:34:58,860
any hazardous substances by TTE, its agents or employees,

967
01:34:58,860 --> 01:35:04,100
or contractors from or at the solar project.

968
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:09,120
So I think there's two things through the council president,

969
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:14,480
two council person, McCamble, DTE at the end of the 35 years

970
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:18,980
were responsible for the decommissioning, DTE, per the contract.

971
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:23,140
If there is any hazardous waste, which has Valerie Brader indicated,

972
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:24,280
we expect not.

973
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:32,360
But if there is any, DTE has committed through the contract to identify for the city and to cover all of those costs.

974
01:35:33,620 --> 01:35:39,300
Okay. Have we been able to locate any of those documents that talked about the Eagle Creek?

975
01:35:39,980 --> 01:35:42,880
To you, Mr. President, yes, OCP has been listening.

976
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:46,660
Would they have not joined as a panelist because we weren't sure how this discussion was going?

977
01:35:47,140 --> 01:35:51,560
They have confirmed and they sent it through to the law department

978
01:35:52,300 --> 01:36:01,680
that it was clear in the bid documents that Eagle Creek was the owner of Lightstar when they put in their bids and were selected as a vendor.

979
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:09,680
And so in OCP's right up, it is included in that and they were clear and transparent about that that Eagle Creek was their owner.

980
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:13,540
It's also to the City Council, though, that's what I'm saying.

981
01:36:13,620 --> 01:36:19,480
Any of the documents that were sent to us, because that's the big issue, we're the ones

982
01:36:19,480 --> 01:36:21,240
who make the, you know, we vote on them.

983
01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:25,220
It's my understanding, but again, OCP could speak to that directly.

984
01:36:25,540 --> 01:36:30,480
It's my understanding as part of the write-up that they submit that was included with the

985
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:35,760
bid documents that they had, and if, I'm not sure if it was in the T2 reporter, it gets

986
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:40,620
It's attached to the TTA report, but OCP is the one that put together those bid evaluations

987
01:36:40,620 --> 01:36:43,600
and the recommendations of the two vendors.

988
01:36:44,700 --> 01:36:44,840
Okay.

989
01:36:45,740 --> 01:36:51,860
So I do have to ask though, with all the conversation around a while, was that the only place

990
01:36:51,860 --> 01:36:53,820
and only time that we may be able to find that?

991
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:58,020
Because I know I don't recall, again, we've had numerous conversations in the past about

992
01:36:58,020 --> 01:37:04,100
it as well, Miss Stein and others, and again, I'm not saying my vote would have changed,

993
01:37:04,100 --> 01:37:09,700
But I always like to vote based upon having as much information as possible.

994
01:37:10,440 --> 01:37:16,240
And to hear that now, it's just done feel good, especially when we've had other conversations

995
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:22,900
in the past about A through Z, whether it's questions I bring up or it's items that you all

996
01:37:22,900 --> 01:37:26,700
are presenting, that one never came up in the conversation.

997
01:37:26,700 --> 01:37:31,800
Just at least have it as part of the full understanding of what we're working with in front of us again.

998
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:35,660
I'm going to change my vote, but it's always good to have as much information as possible.

999
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:39,920
Through the chair, Mr. President, I appreciate that very much.

1000
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:47,580
I expect, and I take responsibility, we were aware of the, like I said, of the affiliation

1001
01:37:47,580 --> 01:37:50,020
between Lightstar and Eagle Creek.

1002
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:54,800
I suppose that it was our collective calculation.

1003
01:37:55,380 --> 01:38:01,520
You're absolutely 100% correct that we should have said that Lightstar is a subsidiary organization

1004
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:04,780
of Eagle Creek, who is in the business of renewable energy.

1005
01:38:05,380 --> 01:38:09,000
They were a separate company, they had their own separate track record.

1006
01:38:09,440 --> 01:38:11,180
That's what we were focused on.

1007
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:19,820
But at the end of the day, Mr. President, the light star was the entity that was

1008
01:38:19,820 --> 01:38:23,900
the one presenting us the proposal.

1009
01:38:23,900 --> 01:38:27,140
So, again, you're 100% correct.

1010
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:35,140
We should have been more vigorous with our presentation as the affiliation between

1011
01:38:35,140 --> 01:38:36,420
Eagle Creek and Lightstar.

1012
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:43,080
But again, Lightstar was then, it was a subsidiary, I don't want to say it was a separate company,

1013
01:38:43,260 --> 01:38:46,700
but a subsidiary capable of signing its own contract.

1014
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:50,820
Eagle Creek was never on any of the contracts that we signed.

1015
01:38:51,700 --> 01:38:56,440
And so that's the only explanation I can give you.

1016
01:38:57,200 --> 01:38:57,680
Okay.

1017
01:38:58,100 --> 01:38:59,040
Colleagues any additional?

1018
01:38:59,380 --> 01:39:00,280
Member McCemble.

1019
01:39:00,580 --> 01:39:01,300
Through the chair.

1020
01:39:03,020 --> 01:39:03,780
Through the chair.

1021
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:04,740
I hear a voice.

1022
01:39:05,260 --> 01:39:05,400
Yes.

1023
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:07,420
Graham Anderson, a lot of heart.

1024
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:17,220
One thing that has just been distributed to this body is like stars initial bid, which as you will note from the date is February 23rd, 2024.

1025
01:39:17,220 --> 01:39:23,580
And then if you turn to the second page, it makes very clear that Eagle Crust is controlling LLC.

1026
01:39:23,860 --> 01:39:25,080
So I just want to make that clear.

1027
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:30,400
I appreciate that, but we already, this was already notified when I'm saying it's just in the conversation,

1028
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:34,800
the presentations, the numerous discussions, it was not mentioned.

1029
01:39:35,300 --> 01:39:37,920
So yes, it's an A document that we have here in front of us.

1030
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,100
Thank you for further recognizing that.

1031
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:40,820
So yes, sir.

1032
01:39:41,300 --> 01:39:42,200
Thank you, Council President.

1033
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:43,360
All right, member McCample.

1034
01:39:43,820 --> 01:39:44,660
Thank you, Mr. President.

1035
01:39:44,660 --> 01:39:54,020
I have one more question, thinking about, you know, how the city is protected under the proposed contract.

1036
01:39:54,220 --> 01:39:58,640
Is there a termination for convenience on the city side or DTE side?

1037
01:39:59,100 --> 01:40:03,500
It's a termination convenience, a constant person with camera, sorry, through the president.

1038
01:40:04,140 --> 01:40:08,220
We can terminate any time that we want for convenience, that's absolutely correct.

1039
01:40:08,460 --> 01:40:09,360
Okay, what about DTE?

1040
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:15,520
A DTE has a contract obligation to continue the project.

1041
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:27,040
Okay, all right, and then I'll just say, I understand the aspect around lessons learned around OSHA to be the person that represents the area right now.

1042
01:40:28,380 --> 01:40:36,400
As my colleague shared, member Calaway, it has been woefully inadequate for that project.

1043
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:42,160
and understanding that with the lessons learned and what we're putting in this contract right now,

1044
01:40:42,940 --> 01:40:49,680
I would still have expected for DT to be better folks in keeping up that area.

1045
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:52,080
And the one was right by residents in that area.

1046
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:57,360
So I'm carrying out with me as a member that represents that area right now.

1047
01:40:58,180 --> 01:41:03,820
And just around on the overall aspect that I've shared in the committee with this project,

1048
01:41:03,820 --> 01:41:12,520
The cost of this project is alarming to me and also the aspect around the jobs.

1049
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:17,860
I understand, as mentioned, I'm all about, I push union jobs and

1050
01:41:17,860 --> 01:41:19,080
skill trades all the time.

1051
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:22,320
But to see the numbers, especially even right now where we are,

1052
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:25,500
what the Detroiters and on this project is very low.

1053
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:30,800
Even with the project that has been for a couple of years now.

1054
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:36,520
So that's alarming to me, even with, as we know, with this council, we always push at

1055
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:38,660
least 51% of the jobs to be Detroiters.

1056
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:43,540
And I understand the need around clean energy, I'm a huge reporter around clean energy.

1057
01:41:43,820 --> 01:41:48,760
I think we have to get to 100% renewable, but I'm not sure that this is the way to do so.

1058
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:55,820
And I'm not sure in a way that we are asking our tax dollars to go to this on top of the multiple

1059
01:41:55,820 --> 01:42:00,620
increases that our residents have faced on top of, as I mentioned, even the opt-in program

1060
01:42:00,620 --> 01:42:07,180
around my green for investor on utility, I'm just not comfortable with that as well.

1061
01:42:07,900 --> 01:42:12,200
And as we think about, and I understand the need to make a resume that we made that

1062
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:17,160
promise to them, I just think we can do it or should have done it in a different way.

1063
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:23,080
Even on the timeline of things I've been, we knew as it seems that we knew that lifestyle

1064
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:28,500
was on shaky ground, we should have had contingency plans from that point.

1065
01:42:28,500 --> 01:42:32,380
Instead of us getting to a point now where we are a couple of weeks out,

1066
01:42:33,260 --> 01:42:36,800
from a deadline, a tax credit that we can't even open this up to other folks.

1067
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:45,840
So those are the reasons why it's unfortunate, because I do think we absolutely need much renewable energy in the city.

1068
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:50,320
But it's unfortunate I cannot support this, so thank you, thank you, Mr. Chair.

1069
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:51,300
Thank you.

1070
01:42:51,300 --> 01:42:53,780
All right, colleagues, let's start to bring this to a close.

1071
01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:56,760
Did you did have a number of rounds of questions being asked?

1072
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:59,580
Right now we have Member Miller, who else is in the queue?

1073
01:43:00,220 --> 01:43:03,340
Pro Tim Young, Member Calloway, is that it?

1074
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:03,600
Thank you.

1075
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:06,000
All right, those are our last three speakers.

1076
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:11,880
Through the chair, I have heard a large discussion on why we're here today.

1077
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:16,640
And I must start off by saying in district five, we have no solar panel issues.

1078
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:23,620
But I am conscious that other districts that's represented here have these initiatives in their area.

1079
01:43:24,220 --> 01:43:35,340
And I sympathize with you, but I must say that in district five I am constantly for the last few months been asked to find solutions for bad deals.

1080
01:43:36,300 --> 01:43:44,640
I have so many bad deals going on in district five that it just troubles me every single day like Herman Kiefer, another bad deal.

1081
01:43:45,420 --> 01:43:53,160
The Lee Plaza, another bad deal, and now I'm dealing with a deal that does not, that

1082
01:43:53,160 --> 01:44:00,580
I do not represent, but I have a saying in district five, I have a lot of solar advocates

1083
01:44:01,300 --> 01:44:07,020
for renewable energy, the green initiatives, the task force, but I have many more residents

1084
01:44:07,020 --> 01:44:12,840
is that despised DTE is a grave hatred for DTE.

1085
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:17,000
And as I stand before my residence tonight at my meeting,

1086
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:18,840
I have to answer to them.

1087
01:44:20,300 --> 01:44:23,480
I will have to come up with a reason why I voted

1088
01:44:23,480 --> 01:44:24,540
the way that I did today.

1089
01:44:24,940 --> 01:44:26,340
I saw the trades come in today.

1090
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:29,260
I am an advocate for trades, and we talked about jobs.

1091
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:31,960
But are we talking about jobs for six months,

1092
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:35,040
might these have built out or refurbished or transitioned?

1093
01:44:35,740 --> 01:44:43,600
Would they go two years, three years, four years while the effects of our community suffer for decades to come?

1094
01:44:44,380 --> 01:44:53,260
Just like data centers, everybody wants you to vote for jobs, but the effects on the environment and the water will last decades, if not centuries.

1095
01:44:53,260 --> 01:44:54,980
So how do you...

1096
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:11,240
Make a decision. Why I'm not, I am not against rescuing a project if residents will benefit, but I am against

1097
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:19,740
ask the detour to accept the quick fix, despite it being DTE. I must say I cannot simply ignore the

1098
01:45:19,740 --> 01:45:26,760
history because this project is troubled. The history is that DTE, the residents want to see lower

1099
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:30,340
or bills. Everybody don't care about a green initiative. Everybody not care about renewable

1100
01:45:30,340 --> 01:45:35,300
energy. They care about that bill, especially in the wintertime. And on my issues, you

1101
01:45:35,300 --> 01:45:40,620
run about $1,200. DCE came through my neighborhood and took out every single one of our historical

1102
01:45:40,620 --> 01:45:47,080
lamps, which left our neighborhood dark without a care in the world. But we look at the

1103
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:53,080
taxes and those that they receive. We look at what they do not give back to the neighborhoods

1104
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:55,980
because it's simply philanthropic level which I admire than what they do.

1105
01:45:56,660 --> 01:46:02,860
But overall, residents do not see the wealth transferred to our neighborhoods.

1106
01:46:03,540 --> 01:46:07,480
And because of our past administration, who today have a lot of our neighborhoods,

1107
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:09,900
because that's why they look through what they do, except for downtown.

1108
01:46:11,060 --> 01:46:17,520
We must be honest with ourselves and say, listen, we're going to be true to our residents

1109
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:26,780
who was promised what they agreed to get otherwise we fail we risk being sued

1110
01:46:26,780 --> 01:46:31,340
and we risk being made a fool of again and again for our residents calling

1111
01:46:31,340 --> 01:46:35,760
every single day they talk about the dishonesty and the trust do we leave them

1112
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:42,660
hanging or do we say what we're going to do in spite of it being DTE so this

1113
01:46:42,660 --> 01:46:47,980
This is not the first time this body has been rushed with a instant notification of a

1114
01:46:47,980 --> 01:46:48,320
vote.

1115
01:46:48,620 --> 01:46:53,460
It seems to be actually what goes on here previously, before I even got here.

1116
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:55,860
But today we have to make a decision.

1117
01:46:57,060 --> 01:47:00,880
So because I refuse to keep my hair held up and I walk out the door and I look at residents

1118
01:47:01,440 --> 01:47:05,880
who do need those amenities, who've been promised those amenities, who's actually relocated

1119
01:47:06,500 --> 01:47:09,840
and moved and sold property for these amenities.

1120
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:21,720
We cannot turn our back on them, we cannot say screw you because we made a mistake, but we have to again cover for the poor decisions that we made.

1121
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:36,700
So in closing, I will say to my residents in District 5, this does not admittedly affect us, I will have to vote to support those residents because they were promised by the City Detroit whom I serve.

1122
01:47:36,700 --> 01:47:50,900
And I would like to make good on those promises, and we hope in the near future that we will be honest, forthcoming, and not always take advice of the experts, because the experts seem to lead us down the wrong way.

1123
01:47:51,960 --> 01:48:00,900
We have to be stewards of our own decisions to make our own investigations so we can make thorough decisions and I commend my colleague, remember Calloway,

1124
01:48:03,110 --> 01:48:07,310
it's hard to stand alone, it's hard to make the hard choices.

1125
01:48:08,490 --> 01:48:11,550
And if for time I make a vote, it will be that way and that way only.

1126
01:48:11,710 --> 01:48:13,630
And I do have no problem with holding up a vote.

1127
01:48:13,870 --> 01:48:16,890
You know, I will stop a vote in a minute and come back and say, listen this.

1128
01:48:17,650 --> 01:48:21,410
But we can't do this today because my colleagues are tired of me already doing that so many times.

1129
01:48:21,790 --> 01:48:26,850
So I'm going to vote today and I support chair moving forward with the project.

1130
01:48:27,810 --> 01:48:30,450
And I just hope everyone should understand my statement today.

1131
01:48:31,490 --> 01:48:37,170
And I'm going to ask one thing, one thing that joined work without attacking the day of my meeting.

1132
01:48:37,170 --> 01:48:40,970
because she's already here today, and then she please understand.

1133
01:48:42,090 --> 01:48:46,790
And I truly respect you in all that you have to say, when you represent District 5.

1134
01:48:47,530 --> 01:48:51,010
Thank you for your knowledge.

1135
01:48:52,330 --> 01:48:57,570
You are the most transparent person that I know, and I really know tonight you respect your opinion.

1136
01:48:58,690 --> 01:48:59,910
So I look forward to seeing you this evening.

1137
01:49:01,690 --> 01:49:02,330
Thank you.

1138
01:49:02,650 --> 01:49:03,250
Thank you.

1139
01:49:03,250 --> 01:49:12,810
Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I did look up some information about what happens to the soil when solar panels are removed.

1140
01:49:13,350 --> 01:49:20,270
They lead behind heavy, heavy, heavy metals and plastics which contaminate the soil.

1141
01:49:21,070 --> 01:49:25,370
I can send you the article, man, to the person who made the statement.

1142
01:49:25,470 --> 01:49:30,630
It does contaminate the soil man with heavy metals and plastics.

1143
01:49:30,630 --> 01:49:35,550
And anything else that was used to install those panels is left in our soil.

1144
01:49:36,350 --> 01:49:40,690
And so I don't know who's responsible for cleaning up the sites after the after 35 years.

1145
01:49:41,050 --> 01:49:43,530
I don't know whose responsibility that will be.

1146
01:49:45,290 --> 01:49:53,390
DTE asks for $474 million rate hike while not paying federal income taxes for the last decade.

1147
01:49:54,670 --> 01:49:59,810
DTE paid no federal income taxes for the 12th consecutive year.

1148
01:50:00,630 --> 01:50:25,190
And that amounts to almost $1.5 billion in DTE who's always before the Commission in Lansing for a rate hike, which they get typically that I oppose every time by making my statement known by attending those meetings, $1.5 billion, but they are notorious for cutting off folks energy in this city.

1149
01:50:26,090 --> 01:50:28,410
And that's shameful. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1150
01:50:28,770 --> 01:50:29,350
Thank you.

1151
01:50:29,730 --> 01:50:36,070
Our final member of council before we go, who fought with the vote, is a pro-tumia.

1152
01:50:36,510 --> 01:50:38,410
Thank you, Mr. President.

1153
01:50:38,710 --> 01:50:39,310
I appreciate that.

1154
01:50:39,490 --> 01:50:41,790
And thank you, everybody, for being here on this long day.

1155
01:50:42,950 --> 01:50:45,650
I wish I didn't eat that chipotle because I have theitis right now.

1156
01:50:48,170 --> 01:50:52,030
But I just wanted to just ask a couple questions really quickly.

1157
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:57,730
One, I wanted to ask the question involving agrovoltaics.

1158
01:50:57,730 --> 01:51:03,630
I just wanted to know, one, do you have an overall strategy of how much this is going

1159
01:51:03,630 --> 01:51:06,630
to reduce food insecurity in the city trade?

1160
01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:11,250
I know this is a significant issue that we have and I believe that this is an opportunity

1161
01:51:11,250 --> 01:51:16,350
not just for people to be able to buy fresh food, fresh food and fruits and areas that don't

1162
01:51:16,350 --> 01:51:21,090
have that, but it's also an opportunity for you to be able to deliver this in terms of

1163
01:51:21,090 --> 01:51:23,310
certain neighborhoods that otherwise will not receive this.

1164
01:51:23,310 --> 01:51:30,250
use technology to be able to be able to drop this off in certain places like drones and other things that otherwise will not have this.

1165
01:51:30,830 --> 01:51:41,270
And so you just kind of kind of walk with me through that plan of farms and through that plan of what you plan on doing how you plan on combating food insecurity with this program.

1166
01:51:43,530 --> 01:51:53,690
Absolutely, through cheer, my pleasure because that is my love and passion is for you to use security for our residents.

1167
01:51:55,570 --> 01:52:04,090
I believe that the deal that we've created between the farmers that we're working with

1168
01:52:04,090 --> 01:52:09,750
LightStar and DTE is going to significantly increase production for those farmers.

1169
01:52:10,310 --> 01:52:16,910
So 5,000 per acre that they were working each farmer is going to get a little bit over 10K,

1170
01:52:16,910 --> 01:52:29,950
A15K to expand their operations, the establishment of those farm stands within those neighborhoods paired with the mayor's new initiative, the senior food program.

1171
01:52:30,810 --> 01:52:36,970
This is something that I think is going to do our city a great service.

1172
01:52:37,330 --> 01:52:43,770
And so I'm confident that this is a good negotiation that has been strict between the urban farmers, so I appreciate the question.

1173
01:52:43,770 --> 01:52:45,110
No, I appreciate that too.

1174
01:52:45,310 --> 01:52:49,310
Another question I had was about, okay, so let's have a little bit of context here.

1175
01:52:49,570 --> 01:52:54,150
This started because we tore down Gidra, right?

1176
01:52:55,010 --> 01:52:59,050
And when we tore down Gidra, we need to be able to replace the energy that it had.

1177
01:52:59,810 --> 01:53:02,950
And so they decided to be able to build solar farms.

1178
01:53:03,570 --> 01:53:08,130
And one of the reasons, as it's plain to me, is that they wanted to build solar farms because

1179
01:53:08,130 --> 01:53:10,010
because not in terms of the initial implementation,

1180
01:53:10,010 --> 01:53:13,030
but in the long term, the costs are going to be cheaper.

1181
01:53:14,110 --> 01:53:16,390
Now, is it true that we have saved?

1182
01:53:16,610 --> 01:53:19,130
Because the only option other than solar farms

1183
01:53:19,130 --> 01:53:19,930
was to pipe it in.

1184
01:53:20,530 --> 01:53:22,050
So you were going to go into from the suburbs,

1185
01:53:22,210 --> 01:53:23,970
you were going to do the energy, you were going to pipe it in.

1186
01:53:24,430 --> 01:53:25,970
And you could do that and it'd be cheaper

1187
01:53:25,970 --> 01:53:27,690
because the infrastructure is already set up.

1188
01:53:28,010 --> 01:53:30,730
But the long term costs are going to be there.

1189
01:53:31,010 --> 01:53:32,010
So that was the difference.

1190
01:53:32,150 --> 01:53:36,110
It was kind of the KPEX or your capital expenditures

1191
01:53:36,110 --> 01:53:43,610
We're going to be more expensive for this, but your operating expenditures are going to be cheaper over the long term.

1192
01:53:43,770 --> 01:53:45,770
And it was vice versa if you piped it in.

1193
01:53:46,270 --> 01:53:48,970
And it saved about $6.6 million gross.

1194
01:53:49,170 --> 01:53:49,610
Is that correct?

1195
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:54,110
Through you, Mr. President, to President Pro Tem, young.

1196
01:53:54,610 --> 01:53:56,010
We talked about this two years ago.

1197
01:53:56,210 --> 01:53:59,270
It is that the city did take a Ms. Kersky offline.

1198
01:53:59,270 --> 01:54:00,390
They have not torn it down.

1199
01:54:00,390 --> 01:54:02,070
But there, it-

1200
01:54:02,070 --> 01:54:05,370
Which would cost $630 million to put back on, by the way.

1201
01:54:05,530 --> 01:54:06,250
Mr. Erski, correct?

1202
01:54:07,610 --> 01:54:08,890
Yeah, that's the extra-

1203
01:54:08,890 --> 01:54:12,710
Yeah, if we chose that, but that would be full of plant.

1204
01:54:12,870 --> 01:54:18,110
And so from a health benefits standpoint, the city is going in a different direction by taking that offline,

1205
01:54:18,250 --> 01:54:25,110
taking the incinerator offline as well in recent years, and developing clean energy here locally to the source,

1206
01:54:25,110 --> 01:54:30,410
and making the infrastructure improvements to develop that solar in the neighborhoods,

1207
01:54:30,710 --> 01:54:32,870
so that would also strengthen the good resilience.

1208
01:54:33,530 --> 01:54:41,430
Okay, so this is why this is important, because the $6.6 billion with that amount,

1209
01:54:41,630 --> 01:54:51,010
if we had home repair grants of $25,000 per home, you could buy 264 homes estimate in terms of home repairs.

1210
01:54:51,010 --> 01:55:01,210
You can invest for $2,500 per youth through GDYT, employer sponsorship, 2,640 youth jobs.

1211
01:55:02,390 --> 01:55:12,090
Trees, the tree equity investment about $400 per tree from $30,000,000 to $75,000 trees, about $16,500 trees.

1212
01:55:12,090 --> 01:55:20,970
Your mid-block street lights for 3333 per light, you can even repair about 1,980 for your

1213
01:55:20,970 --> 01:55:28,630
DPD average budgeted position equivalent, about 130,000 you can hire about 51 people or 51

1214
01:55:28,630 --> 01:55:29,250
positions.

1215
01:55:29,870 --> 01:55:37,930
For your DPD average budgeted position equivalent, about 133,000 using fiscal year 2027 DPD budget

1216
01:55:37,930 --> 01:55:40,750
Employees usually get high about 50 positions, all right?

1217
01:55:41,190 --> 01:55:48,070
You're D.O.T. average budgeted position equivalent, 174,000 using fiscal year 26 D.O.T. budget

1218
01:55:48,070 --> 01:55:49,670
employees, that's 38 positions.

1219
01:55:51,190 --> 01:55:56,290
That type of service fundamentally can make the city better.

1220
01:55:57,390 --> 01:56:01,810
And my, the problem that I have with these discussions is that, and I'm not saying that they're

1221
01:56:01,810 --> 01:56:05,810
not legitimate terms of the issues and the complaints, we have to be able to deal with that.

1222
01:56:05,810 --> 01:56:10,410
But this is a real issue, environmental concerns are a real issue, and I also think that

1223
01:56:10,410 --> 01:56:16,110
we need to use, you know, more, you know, better metrics in terms of power use, effectiveness,

1224
01:56:16,510 --> 01:56:23,010
water use, effectiveness, carbon use, effectiveness, carbon capture, you know, these are things

1225
01:56:23,010 --> 01:56:26,850
that we need to use in general anyway, you know, saying that we should be doing whether

1226
01:56:26,850 --> 01:56:31,150
we support projects or not regardless, we got to do a very job of that in the 21st century.

1227
01:56:31,610 --> 01:56:37,130
But we need to start emphasizing more what this money keeping be used and actually help the residents.

1228
01:56:37,810 --> 01:56:41,210
I also just wanted to ask a last question.

1229
01:56:41,550 --> 01:56:44,850
I just want to know, in these neighborhoods, particularly, I got two questions, one more,

1230
01:56:45,150 --> 01:56:47,170
the one more is particularly in these neighborhoods.

1231
01:56:47,490 --> 01:56:49,970
No, no, I promise, I promise, I promise, I promise, I promise, I promise, I promise.

1232
01:56:49,970 --> 01:56:50,590
Thank you for your patience.

1233
01:56:50,990 --> 01:56:51,330
You're the greatest.

1234
01:56:52,370 --> 01:56:57,470
I just wanted to say, just just really briefly, do we have an estimate of how much property

1235
01:56:57,470 --> 01:56:59,430
values have increased with these investments.

1236
01:56:59,990 --> 01:57:06,350
And what has this contributed to the overall $4 billion in property value that this city has had?

1237
01:57:07,130 --> 01:57:07,930
It increases.

1238
01:57:09,490 --> 01:57:12,390
Can we come to a, I did answer this.

1239
01:57:12,610 --> 01:57:16,250
Yeah, scribble that one down, what was that second question because we want to get them both in.

1240
01:57:16,970 --> 01:57:18,610
No, that was all one question.

1241
01:57:18,770 --> 01:57:25,710
So I mean, you want me to, you know, you'll be, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you were trying to, you heard me, oh, you heard me a lot.

1242
01:57:25,710 --> 01:57:27,190
I'm trying to plan which is okay.

1243
01:57:27,670 --> 01:57:31,670
Okay, this is, you know, I forgot my other questions.

1244
01:57:31,870 --> 01:57:32,230
So go ahead.

1245
01:57:32,350 --> 01:57:33,250
This is, this is Herrie of Office.

1246
01:57:33,330 --> 01:57:33,990
I was used to this.

1247
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:34,550
All right, go ahead.

1248
01:57:35,050 --> 01:57:37,370
Yeah, through Council President Frosive Pro Temps.

1249
01:57:37,530 --> 01:57:40,250
Young, so we did talk about this before.

1250
01:57:40,470 --> 01:57:42,170
So we are tracking the property values.

1251
01:57:42,390 --> 01:57:44,410
Did you remember you went to, you want to spit out?

1252
01:57:44,410 --> 01:57:45,650
No, no, no, no, no, no.

1253
01:57:45,650 --> 01:57:46,750
Go ahead, no, I don't have to talk to you.

1254
01:57:46,850 --> 01:57:47,570
You won't forget, okay.

1255
01:57:47,570 --> 01:57:48,010
What's up?

1256
01:57:48,270 --> 01:57:48,830
All right, excellent.

1257
01:57:49,250 --> 01:57:51,770
So, we are tracking the property values, and yes,

1258
01:57:51,950 --> 01:57:54,450
the whole city has had increased property values,

1259
01:57:54,910 --> 01:57:57,790
and the mayor did make that announcement a few weeks ago.

1260
01:57:58,050 --> 01:58:00,950
So, we are tracking those, we're tracking the neighborhoods that do

1261
01:58:00,950 --> 01:58:04,770
surround the solar developments, and we will continue to monitor that.

1262
01:58:05,670 --> 01:58:11,930
And it's too early on the solar areas, because we just started a particular

1263
01:58:11,930 --> 01:58:17,850
So we will continue to monitor that and communicate that to the City Council.

1264
01:58:18,190 --> 01:58:18,750
I appreciate that.

1265
01:58:18,950 --> 01:58:22,790
I do remember my final question, and if I can't do this, I understand.

1266
01:58:22,890 --> 01:58:28,670
By understanding somebody from DTEs actually here, did you want to speak, and you've been

1267
01:58:28,670 --> 01:58:31,890
mentioned quite a bit, and so I want to know, did you want to have anything you want

1268
01:58:31,890 --> 01:58:33,650
to say at all to the issues of the question?

1269
01:58:33,850 --> 01:58:34,310
Oh, okay.

1270
01:58:36,010 --> 01:58:37,830
I must have missed it on my runs.

1271
01:58:37,990 --> 01:58:38,270
Go ahead.

1272
01:58:39,150 --> 01:58:39,990
I'm sorry.

1273
01:58:39,990 --> 01:58:40,950
Through the Chiefs.

1274
01:58:40,950 --> 01:58:41,270
Through the Chiefs.

1275
01:58:41,430 --> 01:58:41,630
The President.

1276
01:58:41,830 --> 01:58:41,950
Yeah.

1277
01:58:42,170 --> 01:58:42,310
Yeah.

1278
01:58:43,170 --> 01:58:44,350
Councilmember, thank you very much.

1279
01:58:44,710 --> 01:58:45,770
It's an honor to be here.

1280
01:58:46,190 --> 01:58:49,850
It's an honor to have the opportunity to develop two projects that DT has.

1281
01:58:50,510 --> 01:58:54,170
It'll be an honor to develop the balance of the portfolio projects.

1282
01:58:55,110 --> 01:58:58,050
Simply put, we're here to fulfill a command that was made to our customers.

1283
01:58:58,830 --> 01:58:59,870
And we stand ready to serve.

1284
01:59:00,530 --> 01:59:01,250
Thank you very much.

1285
01:59:01,870 --> 01:59:02,330
Thank you.

1286
01:59:02,870 --> 01:59:04,110
I know I did close out.

1287
01:59:04,430 --> 01:59:04,750
I'll be honest.

1288
01:59:04,830 --> 01:59:05,990
Thank you very much.

1289
01:59:05,990 --> 01:59:10,090
Did raise his hand, he did not have an opportunity to ask a question, had to step out for a minute.

1290
01:59:10,950 --> 01:59:16,230
Member Benson will be our last individual asking questions before we move forward.

1291
01:59:17,030 --> 01:59:18,550
Mr. Chair, thank you very much.

1292
01:59:18,730 --> 01:59:20,250
I just want to make a statement.

1293
01:59:20,390 --> 01:59:29,930
I want to say number one, thank you to the Green Task Force members who have made it our business to support what we stand for.

1294
01:59:29,930 --> 01:59:40,370
I have taken over the Green Task Force 12 years ago and we have stood solidly in line with sustainability and move the city of Detroit for when it comes to sustainable energy.

1295
01:59:40,970 --> 01:59:49,970
And my members, who are advocates, business owners, and practitioners have clearly said this is the proper project.

1296
01:59:49,970 --> 01:59:54,990
Carl Walker Miller, SEAL ENERGY, our Renewable...

1297
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,940
Local energies task force have all come to help support. It is a sport to make fun of and berate DTE of which I participated in. They have a terrible reputation, and it's earned. But in this situation, they are doing something that is new to them. The language and the culture of their renewable energy department help change my thought process around.

1298
02:00:29,940 --> 02:00:39,220
on DTE energy, having conversations with them about what this project means and how it will impact the residents of Detroit is huge.

1299
02:00:39,940 --> 02:00:46,660
And I just want to acknowledge those who have stood up when it's been unpopular to say, yes, we're city on the planet.

1300
02:00:47,240 --> 02:00:48,540
We continue to strive for that.

1301
02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:53,760
Green Task Force has had five ordinances passed by this body to support sustainability.

1302
02:00:53,900 --> 02:00:57,300
We've helped establish the Office of Sustainability, huge advocates.

1303
02:00:57,300 --> 02:00:59,060
because we've helped to grow that office as well.

1304
02:00:59,500 --> 02:01:01,160
I want to make sure that we continue to do that.

1305
02:01:01,660 --> 02:01:06,220
Do not allow perfect to become the enemy of the good.

1306
02:01:06,940 --> 02:01:08,520
This is really not about DTE.

1307
02:01:09,120 --> 02:01:12,500
This is about supporting the residents of the city of Detroit

1308
02:01:12,500 --> 02:01:14,160
and making their lives better.

1309
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:16,580
When you think about someone's home,

1310
02:01:16,740 --> 02:01:18,540
that was worth $10,000.

1311
02:01:18,860 --> 02:01:22,820
That has received $40,000 in improvements.

1312
02:01:23,240 --> 02:01:25,340
They're going to see their quality of life improve.

1313
02:01:25,340 --> 02:01:35,400
When you know people who had their homes purchased within this footprint and will now be living in other areas of the city of Detroit, they've had a life changing investment in their lives.

1314
02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:46,620
When young ladies can now go to school without having to worry about the nefarious nature of men on drugs looking for prostitution.

1315
02:01:46,620 --> 02:01:53,220
When you don't have a homeowner, a single mother or two children, with a man reaching through looking for the brothel right down the street.

1316
02:01:53,480 --> 02:02:02,320
When you don't have to worry about finding a dead body on your lawn that you found three years ago because you are now moved to a more stable neighborhood.

1317
02:02:03,120 --> 02:02:11,380
When that brothel down the street is no longer there because we are removing blight and making a hundred and thirty five million dollar investment in our neighborhoods.

1318
02:02:11,880 --> 02:02:26,420
That's what this results in, that's what we're doing today, and I stood with you in the beginning, I stand with it now, and I'm prepared to vote yes on this proposal before us, and with that Mr. Chair, I call the question and move to end debate.

1319
02:02:27,220 --> 02:02:31,520
That's the motion to end debate, any objections?

1320
02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:35,100
Hearing none, that action shall be taken.

1321
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:36,260
Point of motion.

1322
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:37,840
Member McCamble?

1323
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:41,940
Just Mr. Chair, that was an emotion to approve, was just a discussion.

1324
02:02:42,580 --> 02:02:47,260
All right, it was just an end of this debate discussion period.

1325
02:02:47,980 --> 02:02:51,560
Member McCamble, is there a motion for line items 4.1 and 4.2?

1326
02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:52,580
Motion to approve.

1327
02:02:52,580 --> 02:02:58,320
So motion to approve, line items 4.1 and 4.2, colleagues, are there any objections?

1328
02:02:58,780 --> 02:03:03,620
Subjection, Councilmember Callaway on line item 4.1 and 4.2.

1329
02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:09,480
Objection of the Campbell on both items, please.

1330
02:03:10,600 --> 02:03:14,080
Objection of members Santiago Vermeiro and 4.1 and 4.2.

1331
02:03:17,600 --> 02:03:18,300
All right, I'm clerk.

1332
02:03:21,270 --> 02:03:27,710
Through the chair, that is three nays from per Callaway Councilmember

1333
02:03:27,710 --> 02:03:33,110
Callaway, excuse me, Councilmember McCamble and Councilmember Santiago Romero, so that motion passes.

1334
02:03:33,370 --> 02:03:33,690
Thank you.

1335
02:03:34,010 --> 02:03:37,130
The item is 4.1 or 4.2, shall it be approved?

1336
02:03:39,610 --> 02:03:44,010
Is there a motion to receive and file line item 4.3?

1337
02:03:44,170 --> 02:03:44,590
Motion.

1338
02:03:44,910 --> 02:03:48,770
There's a motion to receive and file line item 4.3, any objections?

1339
02:03:49,870 --> 02:03:52,410
Hearing none, that action shall be taken.

1340
02:03:53,470 --> 02:03:54,630
All right, thank you so much.

1341
02:03:55,050 --> 02:03:58,590
Colleagues, seeing that there's no further business to come before this body, this meeting.

1342
02:03:58,590 --> 02:03:59,630
just stand and try.