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to the flag of the United States of
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stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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» Okay. So, we call to order at 7 p.m.
Roll call, please.

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Papa.

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» Um, semero
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» Tell
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» andled
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» and shooty
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» Thank you everyone. Uh, item C on the
agenda is approval of meeting minutes

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for the city council meeting from August
10th, 2026.

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» Don't move the minutes.
>> Moved by Ray.

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» Second. Second by Aldag. Thank you both.
Ray, any comments on the minutes?

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» No, thank you.
>> No, thank you.

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» Joe, anything that you saw?
>> No.

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» Thank you. I'm all set as well. If you
could please call a vote to approve the

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minutes.
>> No. Uh, yes. No, thank you.

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» Said already.
>> Wrong question.

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» Yes.
>> Ald.

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» Yes.
>> Um, and Kio.

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» Yes. Motion carries four to zero. We got
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» Yes. Okay. We have no pre-arranged
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non-arranged participation. Is there
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to speak under non-arranged on any
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We'll allow five minutes or 10 minutes
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Seeing none, is there anyone online that
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Not seeing anyone online. There also
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down to item F. Are there any conflicts
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Hearing none. That's fabulous. Will
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approval of the agenda?
>> I move the agenda with no supplement.

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» Second.
>> Moved by Tel, second by Sam Faroh.

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Is there any discussion or moving around
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Joe, just so you know, we as you read in
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what's now L2 because you weren't here
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false alarm topic.
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here we are. Those are on the agenda,
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» I appreciate the gesture. It was
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» well you had a short staff and store
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» Okay. Please call the vote to approve
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» Pharaoh.
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» Hell.
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» Ald.
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» You.
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hearings this evening. So we're down to
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calendar is on page seven.
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meeting calendar?

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Seeing none, we'll go to our first
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superintendent, Ray. Not Ray. Sorry,
Tim. How are you? How am I Tim?

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» Good. How's everybody tonight?
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» okay, you got the twoe report in front
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doesn't look like there's a lot of
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» Okay, let let the record. Tim, hold on a
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council member pop off has joined
virtually um via his military service.

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So he will be voting online as part of
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» Okay, Tim, back to you.
>> Yeah, like I said there you got your two

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week report in front of you guys. I can
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I I had one. The the trees behind
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What was wrong with that?
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the project um for the parking lot
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one was for the because of the the
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So, and I got to have uh because of the
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with the cars, it's just easier if we
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way.
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more time.
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do it. They're, you know, I I don't want
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» Gotcha. Are the trees in the way of the
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» Yes, the one is. And then the other one
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» So under under the one on the um uh
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side. Um and on the uh pedestrian
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there there's a there's a small bed with
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getting replaced runs right under that.
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other side on the on the dumpster corral
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allow for better um
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uh trash truck. Um but what we did
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into power lines and like like fully
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would need to be cut back significantly.
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then?
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the pedestrianity side that that is
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in. The the only landscaping
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if the work um on the gas pipeline south
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» I could check on that, but I'm pretty
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» Um, do you have an idea if they have
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out and or there is more work from that
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I could check on you that to be 100% I'm
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she said that she talked with uh one of
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last day was last week and and she saw
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» any other questions for Tim?
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» Thank you.
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manager, Michelle. How are you?
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» Well, great.
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» I'm feeling much better this week. Thank
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» Good.
>> Excellent. We have some newbies.

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Welcome. Uh you have my report in front
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me know. I don't have really any I have
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» Are you going to talk about the up the A
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» Um I can provide more information if you
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I'm wondering if Well, they almost look
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» Yeah, they're indirectly related because
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the um
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» Yes.
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uh between it's on that little piece of
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as the unimproved portion of the Grand
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like to keep them separate right now
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things when I talk about this. Excuse
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um the 3045 Broad Street that Fledo
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those five different parcels. They are
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they were hoping to have had their
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us, but um um between vacation schedules
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delayed that process. And so um um when
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it might be another couple weeks, but um
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have some concerns about the ability to
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because of the power lines. and he did
mention something about um um shifting

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the project and utilizing that area
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Um what I did tell him initially was um
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a planned area has been that way for a
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I didn't tell them not to pursue asking
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group that, you know, is open to
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reactions. Um, um, since this was done,
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Oh, I think I can't remember if it was I
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forgive me brain fog. The topic of the
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clear that is a real area that we expect
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Luke and explained to him, you you can
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the basket.
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comment that's in the packet, right? You
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vacating Grand Street?
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respond to something with that unless
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» right, which is
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» right? I'm just giving you the heads up
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» going to want to discuss. Yeah. um um
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they may completely take it off the
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at least you're not caught offguarded by
by the ask. Um and and they will be

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showing it with a set of concept plans
if they come forward with it. Okay.

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» I think the the first thing that comes
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vacation, the property owners on each
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property
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to the cemetery,
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sense to me.
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is also something that Luke and I talked
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they'd have to see if they could
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the cemetery would be willing to quit
claim it to them. I mean, I

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it sounds to me like they just need to
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is the is the the message is the message
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» Well, but I that could be but that may
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that the buildings are too big.
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» I know share my assumption with them.
>> Happy to share your assumption. Um but

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um I can see why you would say that
considering what their concept was when

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they came in with their um letter of
intent. It could be that

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» so m Michelle just from from my
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that there's a gap at Forest
the Forest Street right between

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» the 150 Jefferson building and whatever
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» right?
>> With the power lines. I like that

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there's a gap there.
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» Okay. Instead of three.
>> You like gaps.

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» Yeah. I like I like space. I like to be
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» Okay, that's fine. And And
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» Okay.
>> More is better with gaps.

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» The
power lines go through.

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» They go right down the middle. Well,
opposite the alley, right? Perpendicular

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to the Well, they they end up going down
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Grand
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» Yeah. If you were going down the alley,
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essentially where the lines go.
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» Yeah. Yeah.
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grant,
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about,
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discussion around how that might be
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» Yes, it's a it's it would be it would
allow us to go out for an RFP for

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professional design and engineering
services. Um there'd be public

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participation as part of it so that
we're getting feedback on what that what

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it could look like. you know, not just a
physical structure, but you know, how

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how will it
how will a trail head with public on

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street parking and public restrooms
how will that be designed?

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um how will that be could be constructed
so that it is complimentary to our park

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and the
that's just I mean that's such a jewel

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want to make sure that if any any
additional jewels to the crown

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complimentary and not overpowering
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» welcome
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» how does the uh they're wanting to do a
make alternative

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um trail head. How does that affect
here? It says uh for the trail the grant

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they have to give a application due by
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application? Don't they need to know it?
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the application. Um here on Water
Waterlue Pathways Initiative is doing it

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on our behalf. Okay. They've already
done the leg work to um to get the

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approval to do a full application, which
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it's not a 100% yep, you're going to get
the grant, but it is a very strong it's

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strongly weighted that you've got really
good chances of getting it.

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» So, there was a specific site
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» Yes, sir.
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wouldn't have nothing to do with this
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Whatever
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» Correct.
>> Cor correct. Whatever 30 45 Broad

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Street, the Euro Group wants to do,
we're not stopping our grant moving

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forward.
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unless there was um clear direction from
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DDA, and ultimately support from council
for that.

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» Did they remove the old wooden poles
down here?

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» Yes, sir. We're done. So, so I I would
say if everybody loved the idea of the

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trail head going through the middle,
>> then that could be reflected in in the

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project that the grant will help fund.
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but as of right now, I think we're
proceeding under the assumption that the

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the the project for the trail head is at
the the end of Graham Street.

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» Yeah. I'm not the bill directed
otherwise,

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» right? I don't know. The timeline of the
other guys seems kind of uh maybe a

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little little late. I don't know. But
the trail head's always been a pin in

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the board for us.
>> Mhm.

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» Just like you can look down Baker Road.
You can look right down. Was that Grand?

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And you can see the water. And
that's I want to be able to see the

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water from as many points as I can.
>> Michelle, when did they sign their

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pre-development agreement? That would
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» Okay. So May,
>> right.

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» So they have a Ray. They have a year to
do due diligence with

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» Do we have a time?
>> Yes. I can um uh periodically as

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» one year to do it and they can ask for a
six-month extension.

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» I have a timeline I can give you and I
can update you at your next meeting.

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» I know even though we ain't got a dog in
this fight. uh moneywise they're

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developing the grant. I don't want to I
don't want to see a

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a difference of opinion,
you know, suddenly pop its head up after

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we dumped 50 to 75
and did a lot of planning, had a lot of

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meetings
>> and and it may still be a while or or

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maybe a couple of months before we know
whether or not we got the grant I if we

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get the grant at all.
>> Yeah, I'm just shooting for November.

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Yes, November is about the time.
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» but HWPI
had no problems getting will have no

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problems getting the grant in by the
date,

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» right? I'm more concerned about down the
road where it's imperative that they

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have it through the middle or they can't
financially make

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hurts my head just thinking about it.
>> Pablo, any any Any questions for

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Michelle?
>> No, no questions for Michelle. Thank

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you.
>> Good conversation though.

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» Wow, you look Whoa.

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» Okay. Any further questions for Michelle
from here?

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Michelle, thanks again. I appreciate the
report.

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There is a written county sheriff report
in the packet.

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Are there any comments on item J3A?

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Seeing none, I'll keep moving. How about
on the uh Western area value express

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report?

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Wrership looks steady 469.
Okay, we'll go down to city manager

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report.
Justin, if you're ready, sir.

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» Sure. Uh so we had a great uh paint
Dexter festival. Um, thanks for

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everybody who um, you know, volunteered
their time and, you know, came to visit

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us in the tent and, you know, enjoyed
themselves and bought paintings and, you

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know,
>> I can't believe you sold 200 paintings.

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» We we we didn't sell 200 paintings. We
sold 104,

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» but still.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah. I mean, our our our our whale in
the room didn't uh didn't uh splurge

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this year.

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Oh, we get one in here.

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» It's just building.
>> Um, no, but it it went really well. Uh,

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luckily the the weather held out for us
and it ended up being a really really

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nice weekend.
>> Yeah, I was amazed how many people were

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in that tent on Friday. It was
unbelievable. Justin, how many people

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volunteer for that event between staff
and the AC committee and just others

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that are interested?
>> Oh, probably 20 to 25.

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» It's impressive.
>> Yeah. I mean, uh, you know, um, Josh set

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up a really good, uh, program where, um,
members of a each take kind of a captain

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shift where, you know, we we expect one
of them to be in the tent at all times.

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Um, Sam spent quite a bit of of time in
the tent, which which we appreciate. Um

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and then uh we had a good number of NHS
students um help out this year.

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» Nice. Yeah,
>> it was very nicely done. Josh, Justin,

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thank you. It was um it was a wonderful
event. The weather was nice. The uh I I

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thought it was very well organized this
year and and so many people coming and

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enjoying. So it was it was lovely. We
had record number of people applying

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though for the 75 spots we have.
>> Right.

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» Interesting. Do you remember how many
how many applied?

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» Uh you said it was around 200 at one
point.

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» Uh it was less than that.

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But it was Yeah, it was the most we had.
I mean I had my weight list when we

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turned it off or like when we had to
close we had like 25 or 30 artists still

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holding good. So we turn people away.
>> We

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need a bigger park.
>> It's a lot to manage.

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» We should put that on a ballot.
>> See

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the Well, so um for for Friday morning
for artist check-in is always kind of

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chaos.
>> And if we accepted more artists than

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what we accepted, I I don't know how we
would be able to to handle that.

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» You'd have to dedicate someone.
>> Mhm.

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Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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» Well, thank you to all these volunteers
that make it such a great event.

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» Absolutely.
>> Um uh we did set a date uh with Carrie

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Mccroy um for Dementia Friendly Services
in their presentation uh for Thursday,

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September 24th at at 12:30 uh here. uh
for any members of council who want to

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attend.
Um they will we just had a meeting this

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morning uh to walk those roads that are
going to be impacted by the 2026 uh fall

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road program. Uh so that's going to be
Alpine uh the alley behind Main Street

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between uh Beerado and um Dexter Print
and Embroidery.

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uh Third Street and Fourth Street, both
of those from Central Street um going

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towards like the Dead End and um like
Iness.

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Um but uh they're planning on starting
that next week and the that was uh

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intentional because uh the contract date
uh to open the roundabout was August

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28th at the end of this week. And it
looks like the the county is planning to

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meet that date and have the roundabout
open and then our project will start

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right after that.
>> So we'll have 2 days of free rain and

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then we put more barrels up.
>> Oh, no. The the the signage has already

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gone up or the road clos the the signage
has already been delivered to to the

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site. They haven't been like erected to
like block the the traffic yet.

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» Slow traffic right down through my part
of town.

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» Yes, it will.
Um but so that that was going to be one

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of my updates was that uh the county has
stated um they did a public release that

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um they are planning to meet uh um the
road open date uh for the for the

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roundabout in Island Lake by the end of
this week.

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» Did you get invited
>> for the for the ribbon cutting? Uh I I'm

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not aware of a ribbon cutting date or
time if if they're having one. So, so I

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know it says they're going to be um
working on the underground work in the

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alley behind Main Street where the trees
are that

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» Yep.
>> I asked the question about, right?

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» Will they be working on third and fourth
at the same time or or are they holding

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on those streets until
>> Yeah. So, so they're what they've said

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that their plan is is to start on the
alley, do the underground work there,

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and then uh try and coordinate the alley
mill and pave with the alpine mill pave.

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And then while that's going on, have
their um like storm water and

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underground crews move over to third and
fourth to get started there. And then

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just have their mill follow behind their
their other crews who are doing the um

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non mill and overlay work, the the storm
water, the concrete,

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all that fun stuff.

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uh I did get a a notice from Washington
County Parks that they started um uh

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installing the uh pilings
uh in through the the wetland and creek

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area.
>> Um there's that they started that end of

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last week. So they're they're making
really good progress on on the Dexter

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Chelsea trail connector which is great.
Um I think their target date was uh

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November to to get that open and I
haven't heard that they've been delayed

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in any form or fashion. Um I know that
they have said that they've gotten the

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concrete work done on the
maybe the the west side on the Dexter

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Chelsea road side. Um so they're they're
making really good progress there.

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» Yeah, that went amazingly fast. Mhm.
Well, I mean, I mean, they don't have

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the the bridge up or any of the the
decking up yet, but they're they're

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getting through it pretty quick.
Um,

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with that, does anybody have any
questions?

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» Okay. Um, did you get any uh feedback on
the striping in front of the bakery?

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» Yes. Yeah. So, so that there is a um
memo included attached to to my report.

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» Oh, I'm sorry.
>> Um, that's okay. Uh so essentially the

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the um answer is that uh in order to
meet standards um there's supposed to be

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a uh 30 foot or no sorry a 20ft um uh
vision distance from all crosswalks.

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» Okay.
>> And the striping was installed to to

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provide that 20 foot gap.
Is that part of the

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grant addendum that we have to follow?
Is that federal money?

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» Yeah. So, well, so the the the project
uh did utilize federal funds overall. Uh

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the um parking stalls the the parking
stalls on Main Street um were what are

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called category 3, which are
non-participating. Okay.

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» And so those are 100% city funded for
the for the mill overlay and striping of

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those parking stalls.
>> So we're not going to get that reduced.

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» I mean
>> not worth the effort.

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» We can we can ask the engineers in the
room

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» one part. I mean what' we lose two?
>> Don't I need you?

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» Mhm.
>> So So we technically could have more

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pedestrian area.
>> Yeah. You could have if money to do it,

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right?
I mean that could be

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» like raised and and concrete
>> after Yeah. whatever. I mean

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» we have to go another 20 ft.
>> I think it's from the crosswalk

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» from the stop bar or from the crosswalk,

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» but you would gain pedestrian space
>> instead of just I mean I know they're

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going to use it for snow plows.
>> Yeah. Yeah,

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» you know the snow's going to go there.
>> Safe limited

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» till they I mean they're going to have
taken it out a few days later, you know,

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but that's
>> Oh, Tim.

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» Oh, we don't do that.
>> He just rejoined it.

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» Oh, I had one other question.
>> Okay.

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» Page 51 of consent.
>> 51.

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I think you're good, Marcus. Thanks,
Marcus.

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» Um,
what do we got here? US Bank 136.

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» One of them refunds we got a new or
>> those are bond payments.

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» Oh, they're okay. One's refund and the
other one at four

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that's state revenue revolving fund at
423.

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» Yep. So they're those are are those are
both bond payments. Um

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» both come off pretty quick though within
10 years. So I know the US bank and

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trust uh is uh water sewer uh revolving
fund. Um so those will be between 2030

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and 2032.
>> Um the other one is Yeah. 2021 general

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obligation. So that's that's for city
hall.

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» City hall.
>> Yeah. So

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» what 423?
>> No, the 136.

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» Oh 136 county.
>> Yeah. So that comes off in 2041.

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» 2040 2041.
>> And then the 423 for the sewer. sewer

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» is is water sewer.
>> We got to be coming up on the end of

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that
>> the 2030 to 2032. So somewhere in that

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couple range. Yeah.
>> God just hate seeing seven digit numbers

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leaving me.
>> Thank you.

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» Okay. Anything else?
>> Unless there's questions.

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» Okay.
Thank you for your good report.

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Um, I just want to remind everybody
under my report that there is a

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walkthrough of the Pelum for council and
staff on Wednesday at 10:00 a.m. If you

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can join us,
wear some good shoes.

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» Can I drive there?
>> You can drive and park behind the fire

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station, walk up the hill.
>> Will there be a shuttle?

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» You could you there will not be a
shuttle that I'm that I'm aware of. if

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it becomes available. Well, that's still
>> I I can pick you up if you need Ray.

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» I got to see it that bad. I'll just
hobble up there.

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» I'm just interested in that long one.
>> Joe, the I saw there was a meeting I

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guess today for discuss proposed R&D
permitted uses. Was there anything of

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interest or to note? So,
um, we last updated our zoning ordinance

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in February of 2023.
I'm

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» sure you all remember that fantastic
discussion we had.

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» I guess
it was, if you remember, a long process,

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but the official date that our zoning
ordinance was last updated, it was

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February 2023.
>> We had to update a issue with the

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storage notation or something. There was
a mistake. I thought that was the last

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we did. We well I think we did quite a
bit in in that

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» and before that we more we had one last
update.

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» I think there might have been like
formbbased code and all sorts of stuff

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that that appeared.
Um,

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one of the
principal uses in the R&D district that

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is no longer
uh in the ordinance is contractor

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establishments.
Um,

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like Phoenix Contractors is there
and

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QED Environmental is there
and what's the other one? We had one

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other one. Um
>> anyway, there's three there's three

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examples that are there, but for
whatever reason, we no longer have that

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in our zoning ordinance.
>> I tried to go back during the meeting

426
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:51,760
and see the notes, couldn't find that.
It might be that just got omitted, but

427
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:56,159
uh Ryan Joss is trying to
explore all options for the property

428
00:32:53,679 --> 00:33:01,519
videos. And so he was asking that type
of question that that was brought up. Um

429
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:07,039
there was some conversation as to
whether some of the light industrial

430
00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:10,640
uses that we have could overlap the R&D
district just because we have such a

431
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:18,480
small
R&D area or light industrial area when

432
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:25,440
you think about the the area back here
which is essentially treatment plant and

433
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:29,679
uh Alpha Metals. And then um
>> over on Second Street where we have the

434
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:33,440
old Adair printing building and the
telecom place that just added their

435
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,760
front porch. And
>> Mhm.

436
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:40,720
» Um I wouldn't say there's a whole lot
that came out of the meeting other than

437
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,600
we encouraged
we encouraged them if they had a

438
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:49,120
question to write a letter to the
planning commission with their ideas for

439
00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:53,760
discussion.
Then we just tried to explain the logic

440
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:57,679
of how the R&D district was set up. Best
thing to do.

441
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:03,320
» That's basically what the meeting was,
Joe.

442
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:03,320
» Okay. Thank you. Oh,

443
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:09,839
» and as a part of that, I I talked about,
you know, the there's a delicate balance

444
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:14,800
on that corridor between the schools and
the business research park and, you

445
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:20,879
know, uses that add heavy amounts of
traffic or truck traffic or traffic at

446
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:27,679
the key times of day that the schools
create

447
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:34,079
a busy stretch of traffic. Um,
but I think he's just looking for as

448
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:37,280
many options as possible to,
you know, build there.

449
00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:42,159
» Okay. He hasn't started obviously
building those storage units that he

450
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:48,760
um
that he got approved for. So, he's

451
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,760
searching, I think.

452
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,679
» Oh, one more question.
>> Yes, sir.

453
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:55,200
» Oh, go ahead.
>> Oh, no, no, you go ahead. I had one one

454
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:59,680
more thing to add.
>> I just wanted to follow up on the fire

455
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:05,440
station concrete meeting. I know it was
just this morning.

456
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:12,240
» Yeah. So, so uh um it was a relatively
short meeting. Um essentially, uh OM is

457
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:19,680
going to provide uh Cunningham Limp with
the most recent um uh elevation shots

458
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,320
that they took of of the um area
underneath the pergola.

459
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:27,520
» Okay. the uh the area underneath the
pergola has been um trapping water. It's

460
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:32,320
been it's been bird bathing. It's been
holding water.

461
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:37,440
» Um and so there's been questions about
um what to do about that area and

462
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:42,800
whether or not there there's
a concrete issue from an from an

463
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:47,520
engineering perspective.
But based on um the meeting this morning

464
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:53,040
there there is like that area is flat
and so it's not sloped to be able to

465
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:57,359
shed the water and so they per the the
meeting this morning they will have to

466
00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:00,960
do something. Um but uh Cunningham is
going to take a look at what OM sends

467
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,520
them and and um make a recommendation.
>> Are you talking outside of their lounge

468
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:09,280
area?
>> Did they ever define the leak

469
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:14,640
into the commons area? Uh so so they
they they have resolved the interior

470
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:18,400
building leak.
>> Uh it sounds like there may be a leak in

471
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:23,440
the bay.
>> Um that that that they're working to

472
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:29,119
figure out where that's coming from.
>> And where are we at on at the concrete

473
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:33,920
apron there? We finished all that out.
>> Yes. Well, so I I uh drafted an

474
00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:40,160
agreement and I I shared it with Scott
Manzel, who I still have to follow up

475
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:42,160
with um to get a attorney review on
that.

476
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,720
» We should see that in September.
>> Mhm.

477
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:49,280
» Yeah. You wrap that up.
>> Mhm. Yeah. But then I I have to send it

478
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:55,040
back to Cunningham Lymph and their
subcontractor for their blessing or, you

479
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:58,800
know, yay or nay on that. Um so I would
expect to see it in September.

480
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:03,280
» All right.
Thank you.

481
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:07,920
» One last thing kind of going back to my
report real quick. Um I did just notice

482
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:13,200
uh for uh item unfinished business item
L2.

483
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:18,400
» Uh I I copied forward what was on the
last agenda and what was in the last

484
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:23,599
packet. So um I had included September
14th as the potential public hearing

485
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:29,440
date. Um if somebody chooses to move
that uh later it should be September

486
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:32,400
28th. Yeah. Okay.
need need a motion for that or just

487
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:36,640
change it at the motion.
>> No, let's see if we get there.

488
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:40,000
» Because we'll need more than three weeks
between now and now.

489
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:44,640
» Yeah. So, I mean, if if we if somebody
wanted to move it, um the first time we

490
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:51,119
could publish it would be the the notice
of public hearing would be uh September

491
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:56,440
2nd and there isn't 15 days before uh
September 14th. Understood. Thank you.

492
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,440
So,

493
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:04,720
Okay. Any further questions for Justin
or I?

494
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:09,119
Pablo, you still okay?
Okay. Thumbs up. Thank you, sir.

495
00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:12,760
Okay. Are there any council member
reports under J7?

496
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:20,839
Okay. We have two items on the consent
agenda. Would somebody make the motion

497
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,839
for the consent agenda, please?

498
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:28,240
» I'll move uh consent agenda. Number one,
consideration of bills and payrolls in

499
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,240
the amount in in the amount of
$834,4348.

500
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:40,320
Number two, consideration of retirey
healthc care buyout agreement with

501
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:45,839
Maurice Sherry.
Second motion by Tel, second by Sam

502
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:49,920
Faroh. Thank you both. Please call the
vote to approve the consent agenda.

503
00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:52,000
» Ald,
>> yes.

504
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:56,000
» Papa,
>> yes. Sam Faroh.

505
00:38:54,320 --> 00:39:00,480
» Yes.
>> Yes. Motion carries.

506
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:07,760
Thank you. We're on page three of the
agenda. Uh unfinished business item L1

507
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:13,800
is consideration of an amendment to the
general code of ordinances section 50

508
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,800
article 3 false alarms.

509
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:22,880
As I as I mentioned, this was on the
agenda, potential agenda last meeting

510
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:28,079
and then we we moved it Joe primarily
because you had brought this up as a

511
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:33,359
topic and in the interim we've gotten a
feedback from

512
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:39,480
Chief.
Um,

513
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:39,480
not sure if you have any thoughts or

514
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:47,440
changes or
questions.

515
00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:50,880
» First, we still have the motion, right?
So, we don't need a motion. We already

516
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,720
got a motion out there to approve,
>> correct?

517
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:57,040
» Because it was
>> I I I think the the the previous motion

518
00:39:55,119 --> 00:40:00,640
was to postpone.
>> Well, the first one was motion on the

519
00:39:59,359 --> 00:40:05,040
table and then it was postponed.
>> Okay. post

520
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:08,040
respond a couple times. Y
>> um

521
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:14,200
you agree? Yes. Okay.

522
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:24,720
From what I remember of when we
originally

523
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:32,400
did the alarm the type of thing for the
police alarms back whenever it was done

524
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:39,040
is my remembering and I could be wrong
but at the time we had said you know it

525
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:42,240
was people had alarm systems in their
house and you know they'd leave their

526
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:47,040
windows open and their curtains would
flap around and sl set off

527
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:50,880
uh motion detector and the police would
come out and look and say, "Oh, there's

528
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:56,160
nobody home." And you know, they'd leave
and they would get these on a regular

529
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:59,920
basis. And people weren't
uh

530
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:03,920
people weren't addressing those concern.
They were letting them go. And the

531
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:08,880
intent of the ordinance at the time was
to make sure that they did address those

532
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:13,359
things and that they didn't reoccur. And
um I I know it's not in the ordinance

533
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:18,160
now, but I could have swore at
originally there was a you know uh the

534
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:24,480
first time something like that happened,
it was a education moment and we'd let

535
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:27,520
them know and u you know if it happened
again then it was going to then it was

536
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:34,800
something that we would start billing
back cost for. Um I I don't know that I

537
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:39,200
agree with
with the chief in some of the you know

538
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,640
some of the thoughts that are there
about

539
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:48,960
um that people are going to be less
likely to

540
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:54,240
I guess to to activate their alarms. I
mean, I I don't know how they can,

541
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:59,280
you know, the whole idea is for them to
be more vigilant, to be more conscious,

542
00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:06,079
to be more, you know, engaged when
they're using these type of systems. And

543
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:11,040
our issue is when there's a problem and
nobody steps up and says, "We'll address

544
00:42:09,359 --> 00:42:17,359
that." and then all of a sudden the city
gets potentially a, you know, tens of

545
00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:24,280
thousands of dollars in billing back
because of the way we allocate our

546
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,280
billing. So,

547
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:30,960
I would I would like there to be and I
thought about this. I don't know that it

548
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:34,480
necessarily needs to be in the
ordinance. I mean, I read through it

549
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:39,200
really quickly and it says there's
there's an automatic appeal or I

550
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:46,800
shouldn't say automatic. There is the
ability for people to appeal um to us.

551
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:55,200
» To us. Exactly. Um I didn't know if we
could have a policy that said that we

552
00:42:50,240 --> 00:43:00,000
would allow you know the the
if an issue came up for allow the first

553
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:03,920
one if somebody had a problem that you
know obviously came up and they weren't

554
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:11,440
aware of and then they addressed it um
to way of a first one. Um,

555
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:15,760
but
it's it's really trying to, in my

556
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:23,200
opinion, trying to address something
that um could be a larger issue for the

557
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:28,720
city overall because it wasn't addressed
when it should. Um, I mean, another

558
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:33,839
option would be is if the DFD says,
"Okay, we're not going to bill for false

559
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:40,160
alarms." Great. that if that addresses
the issue as well, you know, I'm I'm

560
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:44,240
fine with that. Also, I just don't with
with the issues that we're having as far

561
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:49,359
as budgets and stuff goes. I think it's
important that we have something that

562
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:53,520
gives us some mechanism that says
you have to be responsible for and take

563
00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:58,720
responsibility for
a system that you have. And I mean, the

564
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:04,319
other part of this is
let's say somebody pulls a fire alarm,

565
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:08,160
right? just literally,
you know, there's a false alarm and

566
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:12,480
intentionally obviously there's criminal
things that go along with that, but I

567
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:18,400
mean, we don't have any way to recoup
those costs right now, you know,

568
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:22,160
necessarily. So, um,
and and even in that case, the other

569
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:25,200
thing that I thought about is what
happens when there's false alarms and

570
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:29,920
they're related to somebody who's the
tenant versus the owner of the property

571
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:34,880
because we're going to attach the the
fees to the property. Now, I I think

572
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:39,280
most landlords would be within their
rights to hold their tenants responsible

573
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:44,800
for those type of those issues and
things, but but um

574
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:51,760
I know there's a lot there. I've just
been thinking about it. Um, like I said,

575
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:57,760
I I would prefer there to be a um some
way to allow either through a policy or

576
00:44:55,599 --> 00:45:01,200
administratively we say, "Okay, it
happened one time. We understand it's a

577
00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:07,040
learning experience and it's not going
to happen again." Um, and if it does,

578
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:12,240
there's associated um costs that are
with that. Um,

579
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:16,000
or if we just let it go through and say,
"We understand you had an issue. File an

580
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,800
appeal if that's what it is and you say,
"This was the first time it happened.

581
00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:24,800
I've taken care of it. It won't happen
again." That's fine, too. I mean, if we

582
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:30,400
want to go with that tack um
uh I think it's important to have it one

583
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:36,400
way or another. So, so in your example
of

584
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:42,720
uh like you know one
free pass so to speak

585
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:45,920
» how often would they get the free pass?
I mean is it they get they get one a

586
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:49,280
year?
>> I agree with you. there needs to be

587
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:53,200
something that calls out something like
that and and I don't

588
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:58,720
because
>> well some of the discussion that we had

589
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:01,040
previously like you know the 3,000 is
obviously based upon the cost per run

590
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:05,599
» right
>> okay but it's an awfully steep number it

591
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:10,800
is okay I mean on purpose right but if
there's a good explanation you'd hate to

592
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:14,160
have to have somebody pay something when
there was a reason for it you know as

593
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:20,560
the chief mentions there's reasons for
false alarms that happen unbeknownst to

594
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:23,440
even if it's working. Right.
>> Right. And that's why there's an appeals

595
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:28,520
process.
>> Correct. Yeah. Correct. Um

596
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:36,880
you know I I I think one of the
questions we asked was how many of these

597
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:39,920
did happen have happened in like the
last year and I'm wondering how many

598
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,040
appeals we're going to have in the
course of a year.

599
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,079
» You know don't really want it to be a
part of the agenda. Mhm.

600
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:51,359
» appeals the council.
>> Well, and that's why I said that maybe

601
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:57,520
there's there's a policy that we
implement that allows a certain amount

602
00:46:53,920 --> 00:47:01,000
of that being addressed.
>> Pablo, welcome.

603
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:14,200
» Hi, folks. I honestly my concern is the
cost that we're asking. I think $3,000

604
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:14,200
is a steep cost even for um

605
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:23,680
It just I think it's too much too severe
of a penalty to ask uh people to pay in

606
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:28,400
case of um a fire alarm mistakenly going
off even if it's several times

607
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:35,599
especially if it's elderly um and
accidentally pushing the alarm um I know

608
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:40,800
you know through family members in the
past who've had those incidences and um

609
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:46,400
there's not always a cognition to be
able to know if you're pushing that

610
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:50,839
alarm uh when it needs to be pushed. Um
it and that $30,000

611
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:59,599
cost it just seems too severe
considering that there are plenty of

612
00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:05,680
criminal um fees I guess that people
sometimes have to pay if they break the

613
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:11,440
law that are never at that level. So, I
do favor having something. I It's just

614
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:18,160
that $3,000
as it stands currently seems way way uh

615
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:22,280
too steep of a number for me to
um to be comfortable with.

616
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:32,880
» Um thank you. I I agree with the
conversations. I think um my question is

617
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:38,000
like um what are the numbers like how
big of a problem this is and I think

618
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:44,240
Justin is currently counting.
>> Yeah, it it's uh it's 20 uh that were

619
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:51,920
within a 12-month period
um from May to May

620
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:58,000
and six of those were from the same
location.

621
00:48:54,160 --> 00:49:02,720
» So thank you. Um, another option. I I do
agree that a

622
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:09,760
$3,000
all of a sudden it it's it's a big

623
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:15,680
amount for for people. Um,
my suggestion suggestion would be to

624
00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:21,760
have a
tiered sort of thing. If it's your first

625
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:26,800
offense that is actually it's something
maybe it's an educational thing, we say

626
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:34,640
it's okay. The second one is like $500
and then the third one is,000 and after

627
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:39,040
that becomes 3,000. um something that is
and numbers I just, you know, came up

628
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:45,839
with, but something that is more tiered
towards helping with that education and

629
00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:52,520
um
not all of a sudden having somebody with

630
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,520
a $3,000 bill.

631
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,119
Is that a bad idea?

632
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:09,920
thoughts,
>> Pablo? Uh,

633
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:17,760
» I honestly think Sam's idea is great.
Um, I think a small penalty with a

634
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:25,599
second or even third uh false alarm is a
very very good um cautionary warning

635
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:29,800
prior to the full price kicking in. Um,
I think Sonoma is spot on.

636
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:37,839
So, where would we say that, Justin?
>> Email.

637
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:41,680
» The tiered idea. Where would that be
incorporated?

638
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,720
» I was going to say I thought we had a
lot of our or number of our ordinances

639
00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:47,599
say as set by
>> Right. Well, that's the special

640
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,960
assessment part is what I'm thinking.
Right.

641
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:55,200
» Yeah. So, I I mean I would probably put
it under fees and fees and regulations.

642
00:50:53,200 --> 00:51:03,359
Uh 50-125.
>> What page on? uh page 66

643
00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:06,559
» and it does say not more than the actual
cost. Doesn't say there's a minimum

644
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:12,240
amount.
>> Yeah. And and I mean you could change it

645
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:16,079
to um an amount as set by council
resolution.

646
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:19,920
» Yeah.
And then that would be easier to change.

647
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,240
» Yeah, that's where I'm going with it.
Okay.

648
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:26,240
» Don't we have like a fee schedule that
we can

649
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,800
» add it there? So, we update that instead
of

650
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:33,800
» Well, and if it's a fee set by council,
the first fee could be zero for the

651
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,800
first time.

652
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:45,200
» Please come on up.
I can't believe you waited this long.

653
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:52,079
Welcome, Chief. Thank you.
And I nothing in my memo actually

654
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:58,640
contradicts what synonymous predicted or
proposed that you know I I think for

655
00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:05,440
habitual defend uh offenders there is
there should be some escalating penalty.

656
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:09,680
I I would just ask that
maybe there be a discussion about what

657
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:16,480
is a false alarm
>> because we code things as false alarms

658
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:22,240
such as somebody was cooking and burned
the toast or burned something and that's

659
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:28,720
an accident as opposed to a an equipment
malfunction. And we've had instances

660
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:32,559
where smoke from outside from burning
leaves or something else has come in and

661
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:38,079
actually set off a smoke detector.
That's that's the system working as it

662
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:43,440
should, but still generates a response
that

663
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:48,160
results in maybe us coding it as a a
false alarm because we get there and

664
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:54,240
there's not a fire or a problem found. a
spider getting into a smoke detector or

665
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:59,680
dust can trigger u the the alarm. So I
think there are instances where even the

666
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:05,440
most diligent
owners can run into a situation that

667
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:09,760
results in an alarm triggering that is
not

668
00:53:07,359 --> 00:53:14,240
necessarily a an equipment problem or a
failure on their part to to do

669
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:19,920
something. Right now, we are responding
to a house where a neighbor hears a

670
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:25,359
smoke alarm going off inside a house and
called. Um, they're not finding

671
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:29,599
anything. We'll probably classify that
as a false alarm, but the homeowners

672
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:34,960
wasn't home, didn't call, the neighbor
called. So, I I just think there are a

673
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:40,240
number of sort of situational
like this that get lumped into false

674
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:45,839
alarm category.
And the one that the six within a

675
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:50,240
two-day period at the same address that
was really over 40 alarms, we had

676
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:53,920
somebody that was stationed there and
kept just resetting it, resetting,

677
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:57,359
resetting it because it was a faulty
water sensor. And our only other option

678
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,880
was to turn the sprinkler off to the
whole building. And we didn't want to do

679
00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:04,960
that at 2 in the morning when there were
people there sleeping and and sort of

680
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:10,319
take away their fire suppression. So we
we helped manage some of those false

681
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:14,640
alarms to keep those numbers down.
Um but we did leave a couple times and

682
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:20,160
kept after we responded back a few times
then we we sort of managed it by by

683
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:26,160
staying there on site. So uh I I think
there is a a place for this type of

684
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:31,599
ordinance and you certainly should have
the ability to capture it for sort of

685
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:38,319
non-compliance. But I would just caution
uh to not be too broad because as I said

686
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:42,640
um you know I I think it does
disincentivize people who are

687
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:48,640
discretionarily
choosing to connect their alarm systems

688
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:53,520
to a uh a system that phones into a
central center and does summit help even

689
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:57,520
if they can't do it. you know, if they
know that there is a potential

690
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:03,520
significant penalty for the very first
time that the the system doesn't work as

691
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:09,680
designed or summons help unnecessarily,
then I I think their decision or others

692
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:13,680
decisions to to move forward with that
sort of protection, which is something

693
00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:21,040
we're trying to educate and promote,
could be interfered with, impacted.

694
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:26,720
» So, let me ask a question. Um,
Doug, you're pretty good at writing. Uh,

695
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:31,040
would you have you have you read our
definition of false alarm?

696
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:35,920
I mean, maybe not lately, but could
would you would it make sense for us to

697
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:40,800
maybe postpone this one more time and
let him work on the definition a little

698
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:43,920
bit for us to see to for those
other circumstances that aren't as

699
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:49,520
intended?
>> Well, I or do or do you like like

700
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:54,079
leaving it this way? No, I I think the
problem that we're going to run into is

701
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:57,359
trying to get a definition that fits
every potential scenario, blah blah

702
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:02,160
blah. Yeah.
>> Well, and that's why I said originally,

703
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:05,599
I think the first one, you should, you
know, give somebody grace on the first

704
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:09,680
one or if we have something that
elevates over time, then that works as

705
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:14,240
well. I think that
>> yeah I I think that an easy one would be

706
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:19,920
right
after a first response that's determined

707
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:25,040
to be a fixable you know or equipment
issue that is not addressed a return

708
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:30,799
response generates a that's kind of
>> like and frankly the I know you guys

709
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:36,000
worked with the the the department
worked with managing that one particular

710
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:40,720
multiply it and stuff but frankly that's
not what you should be doing the the

711
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:43,760
whoever the building
>> we we we got it dealt with the ne very

712
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:47,119
very next morning but
>> I understand but

713
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,839
» but literally the phone call should have
gone to that person and they should have

714
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:52,400
been there that night and they should
have been there turning the alarm

715
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:54,160
» we completely agree and we made the
phone calls they just didn't get

716
00:56:53,599 --> 00:57:00,799
answered so
>> right and exactly the whole point so so

717
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:05,280
I and and really that was the discussion
that we had that sort of kicked off this

718
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:08,640
whole investigation and stuff
>> right so I I mean I again I think we

719
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:14,240
could come up with a definition that
says, you know, as we talked about in

720
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:20,079
the first case, we make a response,
they're they're instructed to to get a

721
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:26,400
service obtained, they don't do it, we
come back, then that certainly says

722
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:30,720
something actionable. I I think that
providing an emergency number that

723
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:36,240
doesn't get answered or, you know, they
don't provide a call tree that does

724
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:41,760
connect us with someone at the moment of
alarm in the middle of the night or on a

725
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:45,200
weekend. That also could be then another
reason because you're right, we we did

726
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:51,359
tie up resources. Unfortunately, we
didn't need them elsewhere, but

727
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:58,200
» that was not what we're equipped to do.
>> Yep.

728
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:58,200
» So, I I agree. Yeah. So, Pablo,

729
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:09,359
» uh, thank you, Chief. Um, I wanted to
make a comment regarding this, um,

730
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:16,400
incident where multiple alarms went off,
but only six, it was marked as six um,

731
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:21,119
calls. Um, did that, does that mean that
only six of them were build to the city?

732
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:25,839
Um, right. Did we essentially pay for
six calls in that particular situation?

733
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:28,960
» It's just um honestly
>> and I can say that even even for this

734
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:33,599
building
>> uh when the elevator was first put in or

735
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:38,400
the the smoke detector or something,
there were multiple alarms and we wrote

736
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:41,760
it down as one even though we our our
guys got up in the middle of the night,

737
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:46,000
came over here, reset the alarm panel
four or five times in the middle of the

738
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:51,920
night and we we only charged one run for
for managing that situation. So uh

739
00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:57,520
» well sir I think we just find ourselves
in a situation where there are two

740
00:58:54,240 --> 00:59:05,520
decision-m points here. One is on your
end where you choose based on um the

741
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:10,799
situation how many times you feel is
fair to call it a false alarm right

742
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:16,720
because the intent of this entire
conversation is to recuperate costs uh

743
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:22,079
that the city incurs uh because of the
false alarms. So theoretically should

744
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:25,920
then the city
right we're essentially having you

745
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:31,359
prefilter
that decision-m process for us right you

746
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:39,680
tell us hey it's not 40 it's actually
just six uh but so there's some

747
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:47,119
some things that this ordinance will
have very little control over so the

748
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:52,960
council I guess the question and the
comment for the council is how

749
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:57,680
comfortable are we where
the actual number of false alarms that

750
00:59:55,359 --> 01:00:02,160
we'll get to the city to action on is
not something that necessarily is in um

751
01:00:00,319 --> 01:00:07,480
control the ordinance in the first place
and chief if you can comment on that as

752
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,480
well would appreciate that.

753
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:14,640
Well, well, I think we're we're not
trying to manipulate the numbers, but we

754
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:20,720
are trying to
be respectful of of how the current fund

755
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:24,880
allocation is assigned. So, in in the
case of the waterflow alarm that kept

756
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:29,760
going off, we just contacted dispatch
and said, "Don't type these up. Don't

757
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:34,480
page these out. Don't count these as
calls. You know, we're here on site.

758
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:38,640
We're going to when it goes off about
the time you get the phone call, we're

759
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:42,640
already in there resetting it." And uh
so we we just chose to manage that

760
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:48,000
situation. That's not how we typically
handle it because as you can see from

761
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:54,799
the history of alarms over the last
year, we've not had a significant number

762
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:59,280
of repeat offenders. For the most part,
we go there, we we find that there's an

763
01:00:56,799 --> 01:01:05,280
issue, we get with the right person and
say, "This needs to be fixed." And they

764
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:11,040
take care of it. And uh you know that
reduces and hopefully

765
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:17,200
for the most part eliminates this sort
of repeat problem.

766
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:21,760
» Floor is still yours.
>> My followup question to that would be so

767
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:28,960
imagine that in that situation the
ordinance was already in place and was

768
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:34,960
voted as to have one. um knowing that um
in this instance six alarms would

769
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:40,400
trigger uh Sam's idea of cascades and
you would know that substantial

770
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:47,119
financial penalty would be incurred.
Would you see yourself as billing it

771
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:53,760
only as one incident or would you still
um put it as six separate calls even

772
01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:58,640
though it was um 40 actual true alarms
to start with?

773
01:01:56,559 --> 01:02:04,000
We tend to
I mean we have a definition for what's a

774
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:10,400
call and you know it's it's a it's a
response out of the building you know

775
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:19,200
after a dispatch uh it includes a
dispatch and it generates a a run number

776
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:25,760
in our CAD system. So we we we tend to
honor those. It's just in this case uh

777
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:31,119
the same wi way with the case uh here in
the city. We we managed those alarms

778
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:36,799
because we were on site and we heard
them and we were able to reset them

779
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:43,119
before that whole cascade
reached the point of it being considered

780
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:49,520
a call. And that's that was a decision
we made to do because we were there and

781
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:54,960
able to do it. But if if we get a if we
get dispatched a call and we start to

782
01:02:51,760 --> 01:03:02,160
respond and whether we get canceled in
route or we get there and find out that

783
01:02:57,839 --> 01:03:08,319
there's no emergency, then we do count
that as false alarm and we document that

784
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:12,640
as a run.
>> Pablo, we need to talk about that more

785
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:15,920
at DFD.
I I guess so.

786
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:19,440
» Okay. What's what's the difference
between

787
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:22,799
go ahead keep going?
>> Uh I think I mean this actually answered

788
01:03:21,359 --> 01:03:25,839
my question perfectly. That's the part
that I was worried about the

789
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:30,720
technicality of it. But if the chief
says that yes we're already there so

790
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:36,559
technically they can respond to
obviously continuation of the false

791
01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:41,839
signal. U that's one thing because what
my worry was is what is fair in one

792
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:46,000
situation uh might not be perceived as
unfair in another. And then we have a

793
01:03:43,839 --> 01:03:49,680
situation where someone who's getting a
penalty would be upset because they feel

794
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:54,799
like they were not treated the same as
someone else. But if the chief says that

795
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:59,440
yes, clearly we were there and while we
were technically still on the same call,

796
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,559
that shouldn't be counting as a false
alarm because we were physically there

797
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:07,280
present responding.
>> Then they return they return and now

798
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:11,520
five minutes later they have to repack
everything and go again. Then there's a

799
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:14,720
clear technical distinction between the
calls which makes me a lot more

800
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:19,359
comfortable with
>> Yeah. And that's how we got the

801
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:25,200
designation is we we we attempted to
leave or did leave and got called back

802
01:04:21,839 --> 01:04:31,200
and you know eventually said okay this
this is going to continue. So we made

803
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:36,680
the decision to to stay on scene and
just continue to manage it from from a

804
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,680
scene.

805
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:44,640
Thank you for answering my questions,
>> Ray.

806
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:51,920
Um,
do most of our false alarms unless how

807
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:56,720
many are fire alarms that are false
versus medical?

808
01:04:54,640 --> 01:05:01,839
» There were three or four medical I think
on that list. I don't have it in front.

809
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:05,680
» All right. Because I I know when I run
calls, the majority of our calls are

810
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:09,760
medical.
And then um you know the fire alarms

811
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:14,079
every commercial building should be
alarmed. I'm amazed their insurance

812
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:19,280
doesn't require it. I used to drive to
Whitmore late 4 in the morning because

813
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:26,319
the meet cops out there. So I know it
can be done and our alarm company was

814
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:31,359
very adamant about um billing us if
there was more than x amount in a month.

815
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:36,400
So I I don't know we want to look at
that. My other thing is

816
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:40,880
is the commercial versus residential.
Commercial is different than

817
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:45,760
residential. And I'm I'm trying to
figure out where the medical fits into

818
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:53,119
the residential because I know we extend
a courtesy to certain people that

819
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:58,799
require extra help and stuff and and
that's fine. I'm almost willing to

820
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:01,920
subsidize it just because of how long
they've been in the area and what

821
01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:08,480
they've given to the community and
everything. But when I look at

822
01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:13,920
my report from the fire department and I
see my budget, you know,

823
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:18,799
you know, it multiplied 10 times, I
think, within 10 years. So, it's getting

824
01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:22,000
to the point where it's becoming
it's becoming dire. Um,

825
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:27,920
» speaking to the medical alarm
specifically, that's that's the alarm

826
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:32,720
pendant that, you know, seniors can can
sign up for and in the event they fall

827
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:37,760
or in the event they're they're ill and
unable to get to a phone or someone

828
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:43,200
help, they can push a button. Those
those buttons do get pushed

829
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:47,520
accidentally. They sometimes get uh worn
outside the home and sometimes when they

830
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:53,039
just get out of distance from the home
base, they'll activate. Uh so there are

831
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:57,920
a number of ways that those can generate
a a request for assistance that turns

832
01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:01,599
out to be false.
>> At the same time, I do notice certain

833
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:04,960
trends where the same address will call
within three to four days. You know,

834
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:08,400
it's like there's an ongoing situation.
Perhaps they just return,

835
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,400
you know, we
>> and that's a courtesy. I understand that

836
01:07:10,319 --> 01:07:17,440
» we do make recommendations to social
services, connect them with resources,

837
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:22,400
provide them information about
additional care that we think they might

838
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:29,039
need when it's clear that they're sort
of relying on the fire department for

839
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:33,760
care that they might need to be seeking
elsewhere. So you do extend sort of an

840
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,640
educational
>> Absolutely.

841
01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:40,240
» supplement to them because I think
that's what

842
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:46,799
» when I look at the runs I automatically
fire or medical and I I know 90 out of

843
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:51,520
100 are medical and then there's a
million degrees of medical. So, I don't

844
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:57,839
know.
Do you treat three times

845
01:07:55,119 --> 01:08:02,720
in two days as false or are those
regular calls because they went through

846
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:08,480
911 or
it you know oftent times the it it

847
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:14,400
depends
for false what we consider false is some

848
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:18,319
sort of electronic system that summons
help and we get there and there's no

849
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:23,839
help needed.
I think that we differentiate that from

850
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:28,960
some sort of service call where we're
providing

851
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:34,159
uh lifting assistance for someone who's
fallen and is unable to get up and their

852
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:41,279
spouse is unable to help them up. Uh you
know, we we do respond, we help them and

853
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:46,319
check them out, find no injuries, return
to service. And some of those

854
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:51,120
I mean as you look at the reports
there's two or three addresses where uh

855
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:56,960
we do make
frequent course and that goes with the

856
01:08:53,440 --> 01:09:00,880
population as we age. So I just turned
70. I might be calling you guys all the

857
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:05,839
time from now on. I mean I don't know.
>> Well, we'll come pick you up.

858
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:11,679
» How much? Three bills.
I ain't got a stack. uh that that was

859
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:17,520
always been my number one consideration
for as long as I've read a a re a review

860
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:22,960
of uh runs, you know, though I've
spotted that when

861
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:26,080
um Chief Schmidt was over there. I think
I even seen it back then bitching about

862
01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:30,960
it.
>> You have a discussion coming up later

863
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:40,239
about a change in the run or the the
allocation of of cost which would soften

864
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:44,359
the impact of of an individual call.
>> Yeah, I'm uh

865
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:55,920
I'm just I'm I'm trying to be brutal
here. It's like from a cost thing to a

866
01:09:54,080 --> 01:10:01,440
user thing, you know? That's I mean, I'm
being as brutal as the formula is to

867
01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:05,120
charge me three grand. said, "Well,
three grand to go up a flight of stairs,

868
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:10,000
three grand to fight a barn fire for 6
hours. You know, where's the parody

869
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:13,280
here? I can't get a handle on what's
going on. I don't want us to subset

870
01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:19,440
everyone out. Two bales of hay, you
know, $500. One farm, $1 million,

871
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:23,440
but
I don't know how much more I can

872
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:27,199
subsidize.
No matter

873
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:31,760
how correct it's supposed to be, I you
know, I'll just say it. I'm I'm just

874
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:34,960
being I'm just looking at worst case.
You know,

875
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:39,440
push comes to shove and I ain't got no
money.

876
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:43,679
Now, I think the residential smoke
alarms are

877
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:47,920
small
compared to commercial, but that's all

878
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:53,040
it's really dealing with is fire alarms.
Not dealing with nothing medical.

879
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:59,120
I don't see anything in here that says
medical, unless we're just defining all

880
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,120
runs as fire runs.

881
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:05,520
Yeah, I mean defined differently because
there's some police instances where fire

882
01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:09,360
wouldn't respond.
>> Yeah. And then and the the report that

883
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:14,640
the chief shared doesn't break it up by
medical versus

884
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:21,800
» fire if it's it's it's just false alarm
malfunctioning alarm and no emergency

885
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,800
false alarm accidental alarm.

886
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:30,800
» Okay. Okay. So, we've had two
suggestions that I've heard.

887
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:38,239
Well, maybe it's not two, but maybe it's
the same that the tiered approach.

888
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:42,640
Okay. So, Justin, where would that be?
Does that affect the draft false alarm

889
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:48,560
ordinance
or is that something that would be

890
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:52,640
incorporated into something we refer to
that sets the penalty?

891
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:59,719
» Yeah. So, I would um
>> because like the like 3000 isn't, you

892
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,719
know, listed on page 66.

893
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:05,239
» Yeah. Yeah. So, I I would probably
change section 50-125B

894
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:12,719
on page 66 to something to the effect of
um

895
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:18,800
uh the fees charged to the owner unless
he of an alarmed premises for a false

896
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:25,199
alarm in the schedule of fees uh shall
be set per uh city council resolution

897
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:29,719
or or something to that effect.
>> So, we don't need to do the special

898
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:29,719
assessment.

899
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:37,880
We we would we would still do the
special assessment. Yes.

900
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:43,040
I mean that's that's how we
>> Yeah. Okay. Okay.

901
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:48,440
» That's how we we would ultimately
collect if they choose not to pay.

902
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:55,600
» Okay. I see. That's if they don't pay.
>> Yeah. The the the special assessment

903
01:12:54,159 --> 01:13:00,800
process is the
>> Okay. So that's what I'm getting at. Do

904
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:06,640
we want to send this back to let staff
incorporate that idea or are we going to

905
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:09,360
try to do this on the fly?
>> I'm okay with going back and

906
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,199
» Yeah.
>> and then seeing it one more time.

907
01:13:10,719 --> 01:13:14,239
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

908
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:17,920
» So, what else do we what else do we want
to and then maybe chief you could look

909
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:23,719
at our definition?
>> I'm happy to help in any way if

910
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:23,719
» if um

911
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:31,679
there's a tweak there maybe.
Joe, when you when you you mentioned

912
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:35,360
there's a a policy,
talk to me about that policy again.

913
01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:40,320
» Well,
what I suggested was that

914
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:45,040
the way the ordinance is written, it
doesn't there is no provision for

915
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:49,120
» administrative
>> administratively addressed or not

916
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:55,199
charging straight, right?
>> That's Yeah, that's the way I read it. I

917
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:58,400
mean, you it says to set a I mean, it
says to set a number. I hadn't thought

918
01:13:56,719 --> 01:14:02,239
about setting I mean, I did think about
we could set it up in

919
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:05,760
» I like the escalating better. I think
that addresses that concern because

920
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:12,360
that's the policy we put.
>> Do you want Do you want the ability for

921
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:12,360
administration to handle

922
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:19,679
burnt toast?
>> Yeah, that's the Z first one.

923
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:23,679
» Are you suggesting two?
>> Well, no. I I'm saying do they have to

924
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:27,040
physically appeal it or can
administration say we understand that's

925
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:31,120
your that's your first one as opposed to
us having to hold some type of reason

926
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:34,560
» I think administration handles all of
them when they're zero if the first one

927
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:38,480
is zero they handle all of them right
they just say okay here you go it's your

928
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:43,440
first one it's zero it doesn't I mean I
guess they could appeal it if they

929
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:47,280
wanted to but there's no associated with
it

930
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:50,320
» is that what this reads though
>> it doesn't read that way that's what I'm

931
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:53,920
getting Yeah.
>> So, I mean, in order for it to be zero,

932
01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:57,679
they would have to appeal.
>> No, not if we set it up for an

933
01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:03,360
escalating. First one was zero, second
one was X, third one was Y, fourth one

934
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:05,280
was Z, something like that
because

935
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:09,120
» Okay. I guess I'm not understanding
where that's reflected is my problem. Is

936
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:12,719
that in the ordinance or is that in the
schedule?

937
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,480
» That's what I would need to
>> Yes.

938
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:17,920
» Somehow it needs to say the first one's
free in here in my opinion. Well, so I

939
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:24,080
mean what we can do is we can just say
in here is the first point of appeal is

940
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:28,800
administration. Second second second
point of appeal is city council, but you

941
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:31,280
can still have it where the fees are are
are set separately by council

942
01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:36,640
resolution.
>> I get that to me the fee is separate

943
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:39,840
from how the like the issue is handled.
>> Sure.

944
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:44,960
» The ordinance covers how the issue is
handled. the fee is what they pay if

945
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:48,880
after it happens
to me.

946
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:54,719
» Yeah. And I'm I was just thinking that
yes, that that I I agree that the first

947
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:59,280
one the zero it's handled
administratively and then we have two

948
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:04,360
more tiers after that. So it's not super
complicated or people constantly

949
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:11,280
think it could be and the fees we can
you know decide but like the second tier

950
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:15,280
and then the third tier and then it
stays at third tier basically every time

951
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:20,960
» like 500,000 or something like that.
>> Yeah. Maybe 5 500,000 and then the 3,000

952
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:26,640
and it stays at that at
from third and onward.

953
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:32,640
So, so what what I what I would plan to
do then is prepare a separate resolution

954
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:36,400
to be adopted separately by by council
setting the the fee

955
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:40,719
» fee.
Okay. Okay.

956
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:48,320
» Um,
I would say if council wants to proceed

957
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:55,040
or or wants to to postpone this item,
but wants to proceed with setting the

958
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:59,360
public hearing for the um single lot
assessment.

959
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:04,239
» I would recommen
do do it all at the same time on on the

960
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:09,679
same day.
You're saying wait on L2.

961
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:14,880
» I I would say wait on
>> I thought I was following that enough.

962
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:17,199
» Sorry. I would say postpone postpone L1
until the same date as L2.

963
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,920
» Correct.
>> Yeah.

964
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:22,159
» Yeah. But we could still set the
>> correct do L2.

965
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:27,600
» You can still do L2.
>> Yeah. I'm with you.

966
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:31,840
So essentially what you're asking for or
I'm going to ask for is there a motion

967
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:35,440
to postpone item L1 to allow staff to
incorporate the items discussed today?

968
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,719
» So moved.
>> I second.

969
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:45,880
» Okay. Moved by Sam Faroh, second by
Alde. And it's postponed to September

970
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:45,880
28th meeting.

971
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:52,480
Unless you have questions before that,
you can ask them. But that's when we'll

972
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:56,920
see it next. Yes.
Everybody discuss everybody okay with

973
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,920
the pathon?

974
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:04,239
» Okay. Please call the vote to postpone
until September 28th to allow staff to

975
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,760
make the modifications to the ordinance.
>> Alde,

976
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:08,480
» yes.
>> Pop off.

977
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:09,760
» Yes.
>> T.

978
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,199
» Yes.
>> Serrow.

979
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,840
» Yes.
>> The

980
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:17,280
» yes.
Okay. Thank you. The motion post one

981
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:21,120
passes. Chief, thanks for your input on
all this.

982
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:26,320
Uh, new business or unfinished business
item L2 is consideration of setting a

983
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:32,719
public hearing for September 28th.
I move to uh consider setting a public

984
01:18:29,199 --> 01:18:37,199
hearing on September 28th, 2026 to
consider adopting an amendment to the

985
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:41,840
general code of ordinance section 42
special assessments.

986
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:46,400
» Okay. Motion by Aldag
second by Saro.

987
01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:50,400
Any discussion on setting the public
hearing date?

988
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:55,840
» No.
>> No. Okay. Please call that vote.

989
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,120
» Tell
>> yes.

990
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,480
» Alde,
>> yes.

991
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,560
» Seero,
>> yes.

992
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:04,400
» Papa,
>> yes.

993
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:07,920
» Yes.
>> Motion carries. Okay. So, that puts

994
01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:14,640
those two items on the September 28th
agenda. Thank you. Thanks again, Chief.

995
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:18,880
Uh new unfinished business item L3 is
discussion of the Dexter Township Fire

996
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:25,440
Services proposal. At the last meeting,
we asked that this be kept on until such

997
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:30,239
time as we could formulate a response or
have enough comments to make our own

998
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:34,920
editable version back. Um has anybody
had a chance to look at or have thoughts

999
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,920
on this?

1000
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:44,640
If not, we'll keep on.
>> Yes. Um so that was a a thought. Um I I

1001
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:47,679
see that the throughout the article or
the the the

1002
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:53,760
draft
>> the draft thank you. Um

1003
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:58,960
there was a change in um from main
station and substations to substation

1004
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:05,199
one two and three with Dexter being
substation one. And as part of it, the

1005
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:10,080
the first article one, the purpose um
the the line that says the center of

1006
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:17,199
operations and control of the department
be located in Dexter is crossed out. I

1007
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:25,040
still think that it would be beneficial
to have a um sentence about

1008
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:33,360
our fire station comparing to the other
two because there was a great um level

1009
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:41,760
of discussion and details and
conversation went on about why this

1010
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:49,280
station should have all the things that
is part of a main station. Um, I mean

1011
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:55,600
like our Dexter station, right? We did
not just build another one that is like

1012
01:20:52,560 --> 01:21:01,920
Dexter Township or Webster Townships. We
built this fire station based on

1013
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:08,000
activities that would go on this one as
the main station for the AFD. So I I was

1014
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:13,440
thinking of something along that the
center of the operation maybe not the

1015
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:17,760
control. I I see why that could be a
problematic

1016
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:24,000
phrase, but the center of the DAFFD
operation shall be located in the city

1017
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:30,320
of Dexter or at the station known as a
station one. I'm fine with you know that

1018
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:36,960
that it's a station one but just having
if we are having chief's office there if

1019
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:41,280
we are having that
to go with all the conversation we had

1020
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:48,040
about why this station should have been
built differently than any other station

1021
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:48,040
is because it is our main station.

1022
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,640
» Okay.

1023
01:21:53,760 --> 01:22:01,679
else.
>> Joe,

1024
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:06,320
» the discussion that we had the
sort of the the lead in from Dexter

1025
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:14,199
Township was they didn't believe that
the way the funding is currently set up

1026
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:14,199
was a good policy. Um,

1027
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:23,520
they provided a chart that showed the
breakdown of the funding back I think

1028
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:28,320
10-ish year, something like that. And at
one point in time, Dexter Township was

1029
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:34,480
actually about where we are in terms of
the way the breakdown is right now. So I

1030
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:37,920
I think in some ways part of it is, you
know, they're looking at it and

1031
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:41,199
thinking, you know, maybe in five years
this flips around and all of a sudden

1032
01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:45,520
we're in that position and they're
funding it through a millage and they

1033
01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:49,920
would be in a similar situation that
we're looking at that it's becoming a

1034
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:53,440
burden on the budget and I think they're
looking for something that's more

1035
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:59,760
predictable, something that moves less
slowly, um, you know, is tied to some of

1036
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:04,480
the communities a little bit more and
frankly

1037
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:08,239
what has been stated as is good policy
versus what they see as as I said bad

1038
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:13,520
policy. Mhm.
>> So, um

1039
01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:18,080
because when you look at the numbers and
stuff, Dexter Township is proposing this

1040
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:24,800
and and and would be increasing the
funding requirements that they would

1041
01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:30,639
have, but I think they probably see it
from the aspect of what they're buying

1042
01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:37,040
is um some long-term stability and some
predictability along with something that

1043
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:45,000
they believe truly I I really get the
feeling that they truly believe it's a

1044
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:45,000
more fair allocation. So, um, so I

1045
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:51,360
the thing about these type of
allocations of cost, there's literally

1046
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:56,159
infinite ways you can break all these
up. And um,

1047
01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:58,560
I don't think anybody is going to say,
"I think we should do this." And

1048
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:03,920
everybody else is going to say, "Oh,
yeah, that's the way we do it." And but

1049
01:24:00,719 --> 01:24:08,800
I think this one is is is
it would be acceptable to me if that was

1050
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:11,800
what we ended up agreeing to as a
>> DFD.

1051
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:23,520
Pavo Ray, any thoughts since last
meeting?

1052
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:31,280
» I think my thoughts still stand from uh
where I was last time. Um I think the

1053
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:38,080
formula does not incorporate enough. Um
the algorithm is too simple. Um I don't

1054
01:24:34,719 --> 01:24:41,840
uh think the other factors uh like the
value of the property or the value that

1055
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:47,360
the
certain members of the agreement are

1056
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:52,880
protecting for the same cost uh is fair.
Um so my comments from the previous

1057
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:55,440
meeting are still
still the same.

1058
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:59,040
» You want to see you want to see tax
taxable value or SUV involved in the

1059
01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:03,120
» Yes, absolutely. And I think it kind of
goes with what uh Joe was pointing out

1060
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:08,080
too. If you really want a more
predictable uh model and you want an

1061
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:13,120
algorithm that really is not going to
wildly change uh the cost and take you

1062
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:17,040
on a roller coaster ride, then you it's
kind of like those numerical polomials,

1063
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:21,120
right? you need to have multiple factors
so it gets in closer and closer to the

1064
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:26,239
reality on the ground, right? It's a
better fit for the curve. So it has to

1065
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:30,159
have more factors in the model and the
current number of factors is just simply

1066
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:36,480
um still will maintain that
unpredictability and um honestly having

1067
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:42,239
more factors is just
there is more stability from it. So uh

1068
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:48,800
and people can actually budget um
consoles can budget ahead further ahead.

1069
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:53,080
So yeah, I feel like we need to add more
factors to the model. Thank you.

1070
01:25:55,440 --> 01:26:04,639
» Yeah, fine.
>> Okay. Well, I I think Justin, I think

1071
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:07,920
you and I need to sit down and maybe
incorporate some of the stuff in and

1072
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:11,600
propose back what we might want to go
back with. Is that something we could

1073
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:15,520
work on?
Take it into account council's comments

1074
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:19,760
and
we don't meet with the group again until

1075
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:23,080
September, but we still have about one
month to

1076
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:27,000
get this in shape.

1077
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:35,920
Okay. We'll keep putting in the packet
just as an ongoing item. That's okay.

1078
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:40,880
Uh under unfinished business. Um okay to
move to M1. New business item discussion

1079
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:43,880
of the 2027 Broad Street roadwork
design.

1080
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,239
Thanks Scott.

1081
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:52,280
Should have did that one first.

1082
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:05,760
So, how do you wanna you want to
introduce this or

1083
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:12,800
» Sure. Um, so,
uh, as council should be aware, um, we

1084
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:20,719
received, uh, grant dollars, uh, to do
road work on Broad Street in 2027. Uh so

1085
01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:28,159
this would be a uh starting in May, June
going through probably September,

1086
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:33,440
August, September, uh 2027 uh road
project. Uh part of Broad Street would

1087
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:38,400
be fully reconstructed and a portion
would be milen overlaid. Uh main main to

1088
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:43,679
fifth would be milen overlaid and then
uh fifth to third up to the pavement

1089
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:48,719
change over here would be reconstructed.
Um but as a part of the design uh

1090
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:53,760
essentially we're targeting
uh the streetscape to mirror central

1091
01:27:52,159 --> 01:28:01,920
street.
Um and uh to that end um Marcus with OM

1092
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:06,880
is here to uh point out uh things of
note and ask questions and see if

1093
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:11,040
council has any feedback on on the draft
design.

1094
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:14,800
Go. Um
I was just thinking about something the

1095
01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:19,040
that hadn't occurred to me before
literally this moment.

1096
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:23,199
» Um Broad Streets are truck route, right?
>> It is. Uh so is Central Street.

1097
01:28:21,679 --> 01:28:28,480
» Central Street is also
>> Mhm.

1098
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:35,600
» Yeah. So uh Central
uh is and then

1099
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:40,239
fourth is a truck is is a major.
I don't know if it is considered a truck

1100
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:44,639
route. I'm g have to look. Okay.
>> But uh fourth, Hudson,

1101
01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:49,679
» second,
>> second are all majors.

1102
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:53,520
» I guess the only question is how do we
manage truck traffic through town

1103
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:57,120
because I mean semis are not going to be
able to make the turn around onto

1104
01:28:55,199 --> 01:29:02,239
Central Street, but
>> I can answer that. So this um is

1105
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:05,760
actually going to be the same season
that the

1106
01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:08,480
Joy um
>> Oh yeah.

1107
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:12,800
» roundabout happening. So that'll be
another long summer. We don't have all

1108
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:15,840
the details from the county yet. That's
a sign significant rebuild that

1109
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,560
roundabout.
>> Sure.

1110
01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:22,639
» So that's going to limit a lot of
through just because that project even

1111
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,880
we weren't doing broad street. So the
timing actually does went out pretty

1112
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:27,679
well.
>> Okay. Gotcha.

1113
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:33,239
» I I hadn't even thought of that but
Yeah, that's a great unintentional

1114
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:39,080
» feature, not a bug.
>> It's a feature, not a bug.

1115
01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:46,000
» Um, okay. Well, yeah, I just, uh, good
evening, council. Thank you for the

1116
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:50,480
time. Um, just want to touch on a couple
of the key points on the project, make

1117
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:55,040
sure everybody's aware some expectations
of what the project is. Um, answer

1118
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:58,639
questions.
Uh there are a couple items that we are

1119
01:29:56,639 --> 01:30:04,560
looking for some feedback and I'll point
those out specifically. But as Justin

1120
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:08,159
mentioned, uh the reconstruction section
uh which is between Fifth Street and

1121
01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:13,199
right around the curb where we left off
when we did third and broad project

1122
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:17,520
here, um is going to continue. And
there's a graphic in the in the memo on

1123
01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:21,520
page 97 in your packet actually a
picture of Central Street. So it will be

1124
01:30:18,719 --> 01:30:26,639
that exact same crosssection
uh on street parallel parking both sides

1125
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:33,679
of the road bike lanes lanes and then
two travel lanes. Um the section between

1126
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:38,560
fifth and main street is scheduled part
of the same project that is just the

1127
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:42,639
mill and resurface of the asphalt. I'll
talk about the fifth street intersection

1128
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:47,440
specifically in a minute. Um but that
that section road we're not proposing to

1129
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:53,719
change the curve line. So that will go
back essentially as it is now through

1130
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:53,719
travel lanes and angle parking.

1131
01:30:54,719 --> 01:31:01,440
Um
big piece of the project is the storm

1132
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:07,360
water management. Uh so right now Broad
Street is uh open shoulder not really

1133
01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:12,320
even very well defined ditches on the
reconstruction section between fifth and

1134
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:16,719
third. Um so going with the curb cross
section that will include um underground

1135
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:22,159
storm sewer which will actually be
directed um both directions. Some of the

1136
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:26,480
some of it will outlet to the pipe that
was put in that runs behind little

1137
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:31,199
railroad building here and then down and
outlets um railroad rightway that was

1138
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:35,679
all constructed as part of the third
street project in size to accommodate

1139
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:40,159
the drainage. Um then a small amount um
of the water then uh is directed through

1140
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:45,040
the pipe that runs down Fifth Street and
and out to the railroad right away as

1141
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:50,960
well. Um one of the things that we were
able to incorporate in the project um is

1142
01:31:48,239 --> 01:31:58,159
actually been a
drainage um problem area for many years

1143
01:31:54,800 --> 01:32:03,040
on Forest Street at the alley. So, um,
past the funeral home there and there's

1144
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:06,800
been multiple
um, band-aid approaches, I guess you

1145
01:32:05,199 --> 01:32:11,679
could call them ways to try to get the
water out of those low areas. And one of

1146
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:18,080
those was actually, um, send some of the
drainage down Fourth Street uh, alley

1147
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:21,360
there uh, to the west. Um all that
drainage that hits the four street right

1148
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:25,520
away as part of this project is going to
be captured in the storm system and

1149
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:33,679
directed through city pipes and out to a
proper outlet which will um limit uh or

1150
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:41,040
it'll help the the drainage issues uh
that the properties that have that low

1151
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:45,120
area along the alley which 3355
road I think was the the new build

1152
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:50,719
that's going there. They had a site plan
into in addition to the house had a

1153
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:54,239
garage and kind of worked out pretty
nicely that they they have their own

1154
01:32:52,639 --> 01:32:59,360
drainage thing that they need to handle.
But out of that came the fact that there

1155
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:02,880
was this this much rightway drainage
going probably not to the best spot. So

1156
01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:08,719
we're be able to capture that and
redirect that drainage to take care of

1157
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:14,480
the city's piece of that issue.
Um couple of items that we're looking

1158
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:19,679
for some feedback
uh from council on. Um one is the the

1159
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:26,000
pedestrian
uh configuration we're proposing. So,

1160
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:32,400
um I don't have the council packet
number on these sheets, but if you look

1161
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:42,000
at sheet what sheet um
nine of the OM plans, uh that that shows

1162
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:46,960
the um fifth and broad intersection. Uh
the proposal now is to include the

1163
01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:52,719
decorative crosswalks on both legs of
Fifth Street. Uh so crossing Fifth um

1164
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:59,679
north and south of Broad and then on the
west leg of Broad Street. Um and at this

1165
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:06,239
time we are not proposing a decorative
or any crosswalk on the east leg of

1166
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:11,280
Fifth. Uh the reason for that is several
um difficult location due to the

1167
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:17,679
location of the existing utility poles,
guywires, trees, other other utilities

1168
01:34:13,679 --> 01:34:22,560
that are in the area. Um but there's
another reason is there's no sidewalk

1169
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:28,239
running along this street um to the
north. So if they you could cross there,

1170
01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:32,239
you would still have to cross anyway. So
you'd be crossing two legs in either

1171
01:34:29,679 --> 01:34:38,560
event. Um
this intersection has been identified as

1172
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:48,400
sort of the edge of the downtown
corridor. Um and it made sense uh

1173
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:53,920
we thought not um that to help that
visually to show that transition as

1174
01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:58,719
you're moving away from downtown. Um the
other big reason is for initial

1175
01:34:56,960 --> 01:35:03,199
construction it's not as big of a deal
but it it limits and increases the cost

1176
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:08,400
of future maintenance when you have
crosswalks on all four legs can be dealt

1177
01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:13,120
with and did it recently on main
obviously but it's more difficult and so

1178
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:19,600
if the crosswalk doesn't provide a lot
of value initial capital cost and the

1179
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:22,840
increased future maintenance costs um
are consideration

1180
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:30,440
Moving to the next sheet uh shows the
blow up of um

1181
01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:30,440
um

1182
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:37,360
the same page here.
>> This is page 108.

1183
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:42,239
» Yeah. So going down to four street a
couple sheets over which is sheet 12 of

1184
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:47,520
the drawings. Um
that's a T intersection. So that there

1185
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:52,000
is the alley that runs up the hill. Um
but it's not a a street crossing. So

1186
01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:56,400
that would just get regular sidewalk and
uh like a drive approach. So the

1187
01:35:54,639 --> 01:36:02,080
decorative crosswalks are proposed on
the west leg of broad and the south leg

1188
01:35:59,199 --> 01:36:07,600
of four street. Um and again for similar
reasons um looking at the pedest the

1189
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:13,440
likely pedestrian
routes in the area, we didn't think that

1190
01:36:10,159 --> 01:36:21,040
a crosswalk on the east leg really
provided much value. uh because

1191
01:36:17,679 --> 01:36:24,480
uh we did we did um with the crosswalk
at the curve here as part of third

1192
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:30,880
street job. So you're only 300 or so
feet away. Um and just looking at trip

1193
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:36,880
origins and destinations um that leg
didn't make sense to us either. Um but

1194
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:41,440
we wanted feedback on that if if there's
a consensus that all legs is more

1195
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:45,920
appropriate solution and we're happy to
do it. It can can be done. Um,

1196
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:48,880
» Marcus, I think it's very consistent
with what we have elsewhere.

1197
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:55,880
» We agree.
>> So, I I think it it looks

1198
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:55,880
it looks good to me.

1199
01:36:56,320 --> 01:37:04,960
» And I like that they're perpendicular.
>> The one other I guess really

1200
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:09,280
I forgot to mention I have Chris Pow
here with our transportation group. He's

1201
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:13,119
uh helping to manage the project. Um,
he's here. We're getting we have some

1202
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:18,639
more technical geometric questions about
radi or like that. I'd probably ask him

1203
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:25,280
to jump in. Um, one other thing that
we've been hearing from the beginning is

1204
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:30,639
a concern. Anytime you
um

1205
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:35,520
build a road, new fresh pavement,
there's at least a

1206
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:40,719
impression that that speeds are going to
increase or do increase. Um, how do you

1207
01:37:37,679 --> 01:37:45,520
mitigate that? uh you're limited um a
little bit on federal aid eligible roads

1208
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:51,199
by the funding mechanism
truck route. Um so that is a limiting

1209
01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:58,159
factor as well. Um but there are things
that can be done and one of them that is

1210
01:37:53,520 --> 01:38:02,239
commonly used and pretty effective is um
uh necking down at the intersection. So

1211
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:08,159
that accomplishes a couple of things. It
it it narrows

1212
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:11,280
visual corridor for the driver. Uh, so
especially the the cross-section we're

1213
01:38:09,679 --> 01:38:15,199
proposing with parking and bike lanes
and travel lanes, that's a pretty wide

1214
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:20,639
swath, especially if it happens to be a
time of day that nobody's parked. Um, so

1215
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:26,080
neck and bound when the intersections
are this close together, that really

1216
01:38:22,239 --> 01:38:31,520
helps with uh attenuating speeds, um,
traffic hauling. Um the other the other

1217
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:39,119
uh benefit of that is that it reduces
the distance the pedestrian has to

1218
01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:44,639
travel um you know the open road. So
even if it's um parking like I say there

1219
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:48,080
doesn't happen to be are parked that day
that's still exposure to the

1220
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:53,679
pedestrians. So having those bumpouts at
the intersection um is a good thing for

1221
01:38:51,119 --> 01:39:01,040
those reasons. Uh so the plan we have
now at Fifth Street includes um blowouts

1222
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:05,440
on both corners uh of Broad Street or
both both legs of Broad Street. Um which

1223
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:08,880
essentially what that'll do is if you go
out there now and you look where there's

1224
01:39:06,639 --> 01:39:12,800
all the cross-hatching where there is no
parking, it's just handled with paint.

1225
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:19,040
That will become basically curve would
kind of mimic that outline and then

1226
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:22,639
spaces would start up after that. I
don't have an exact figure for you

1227
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:27,360
today. We're still um working out the
details, but the parking would remain

1228
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:33,360
largely unchanged. May lose a space or
two out of the 55, I believe, that are

1229
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:36,639
angle parking that are on that block. Um
we'll get you that exact figure, but

1230
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:43,520
it's not going to be a significant
change when it's there today.

1231
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:51,360
We did look at providing a um
before and after calculation on parking

1232
01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:55,119
between fifth and third. It's kind of a
free-for-all right now with the open

1233
01:39:52,880 --> 01:40:01,199
gravel. So, there's really not dedicated
spaces. Um, so we will have the we will

1234
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:05,679
show um with with the curve and the
stripe spaces exactly how many and where

1235
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:10,239
those exist. But we we do have to
consider the criteria that were

1236
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:15,199
mentioned earlier about offset from
driveways, uh, crosswalks, etc.

1237
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:19,840
» Marcus, let me interrupt real quick.
Justin, do we still have any money left

1238
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:24,960
over that we can use towards parking?
Yes. I I I don't believe we ever touched

1239
01:40:23,199 --> 01:40:28,480
100,000 or so.
>> Is that how much we have?

1240
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:32,880
» I mean, can that be used to build this
parallel parking? I think we did some of

1241
01:40:30,239 --> 01:40:39,000
that on Central at one point.
>> I don't see why not.

1242
01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:39,000
» Something to think about. Okay.

1243
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:47,440
um at Fifth Street uh
where the crosswalk cross broad is it'll

1244
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:51,520
be great to have that be shorter with
the bumpouts

1245
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:54,000
in addition to your traffic coming. Do
you think you'll be with your milling do

1246
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:59,760
you'll be able to take some of the crown
out make that flat enough to

1247
01:40:56,639 --> 01:41:02,560
» Yeah, we looked at there's a pretty
>> it goes up to eight big 8% in some spots

1248
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:05,760
on the
>> I mean bringing the bump outs will help

1249
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:10,080
because you're cutting into that a
little bit. Um but we have looked at

1250
01:41:07,679 --> 01:41:12,960
that and and looked at the boring and I
can tell you I don't pay exactly how

1251
01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:16,159
much but it was definitely flagged by
our design team early on that wanted to

1252
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:18,960
try to soften that
>> something there okay

1253
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:21,040
» the extent possible without even
>> giving up too much cross-section for

1254
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:28,000
structure
>> yeah even if the reconstruct has to

1255
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:32,880
shift a little into the that block
>> right

1256
01:41:28,719 --> 01:41:32,880
» yeah with the bump out it

1257
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:41,560
Even if you go back

1258
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:48,159
» Yeah, that that that section has
potentially a softer crown for the

1259
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:49,760
travel lanes and then it gets steeper
into the parking

1260
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:55,440
» right
>> pull that. Yeah, I don't remember

1261
01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:59,480
thickness center my head, but it would
take a million.

1262
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:21,040
» Do we have this program for the DDA to
contribute anything? Not currently

1263
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:24,880
» for the Okay, we might want to get that
on the radar.

1264
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:31,440
» Um the one thing that we we have talked
about is um uh doing the design for the

1265
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:39,280
Broad Street parking lot behind um Joan
Rosies and Hotelman and Ways and Things

1266
01:42:35,119 --> 01:42:47,840
um and doing that parking lot at the
same time as as this work is going on.

1267
01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:50,840
» Okay. Um, what about
lighting?

1268
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:56,400
Central. Central has
>> has decorative.

1269
01:42:54,480 --> 01:42:59,840
» We added lighting on central when we did
central.

1270
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:03,119
» Mhm.
>> Is there any discussion? Any discussion

1271
01:43:01,440 --> 01:43:08,639
at all?
>> The decorative lighting ends shy of

1272
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:10,159
fifth street a little bit with the
glass.

1273
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:13,040
» That's where the D Yeah, which is the
DDA boundary. Fifth Street is a DDA

1274
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:16,960
boundary. I think
>> well that hasn't been talked about as

1275
01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:20,000
part of the project extending that. Um
>> I'm not saying we have to do it. I

1276
01:43:18,239 --> 01:43:24,800
didn't I just I just was asking that
question. Does are there are there

1277
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:31,040
utility beyond storm sewer? Are there
other utility plans upgrades?

1278
01:43:27,679 --> 01:43:33,440
» Not not beyond structure adjustments um
for

1279
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:35,600
» Okay. So the water the water man that's
there is where it's going to stay.

1280
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:40,800
» Water man's in good shape and it's going
to stay

1281
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:45,360
» in the sanitary. What about the church
there on the corner of Fifth and they

1282
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:47,440
had that sanitary lead issue at one
point in time.

1283
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:50,440
» That's been talked about.
>> Yeah.

1284
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:55,199
» Okay.
>> Yeah. I think I think Izzy if she hasn't

1285
01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:58,080
reached out to them. She she was
planning to to see if they wanted to run

1286
01:43:56,800 --> 01:44:00,480
their lead out out front.
>> Out the front.

1287
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:03,920
» Yeah, that would be the time certainly.
And Eric made aware of that.

1288
01:44:02,639 --> 01:44:07,920
» All right. Well, just wait. You
mentioned just Dan and I were both

1289
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:11,760
involved in that a few years ago and we
said we'd at least come to them with

1290
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:14,560
» now's the time if you're going to do it
type thing.

1291
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:20,000
» Absolutely.
>> Okay. Help them best you can. Pablo

1292
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:25,040
hand.
>> Yes. Thank you. Um I have a question for

1293
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:29,920
you in regards to um the trail, the
bicycling trail.

1294
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:34,800
anticipation that a lot more use is
going to come out of it with um the

1295
01:44:32,159 --> 01:44:42,560
connection that will be made over uh the
creek. Uh do you think uh since it will

1296
01:44:39,679 --> 01:44:47,600
be a major route just having a lane as
it is currently or as you're proposing

1297
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:52,800
currently just demarcation is sufficient
or do you think we need to plan for

1298
01:44:49,440 --> 01:45:00,639
something uh or just consider something
a little bit more robust um as they have

1299
01:44:55,600 --> 01:45:05,040
for example on Miller uh in Ann Arbor?
>> You're asking about like the separated

1300
01:45:02,639 --> 01:45:08,880
bike curves.
>> Yes. Yes.

1301
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:16,400
» Um, we haven't looked at that. I mean, I
guess what I would say to that is u the

1302
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:21,440
non-motorized plan and the
the cross-section for streets bike lanes

1303
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:25,760
that the city has utilized elsewhere.
This is what we're following. So, we

1304
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:33,040
haven't looked at new new or different
solutions here. Um,

1305
01:45:29,119 --> 01:45:38,320
we could, um, but I I think unless
there's a

1306
01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:43,520
um, I call policy shift necessarily, but
a new a new standard is is agreed on, it

1307
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:47,360
it wouldn't you wouldn't gain a lot by
putting that in a twob block section if

1308
01:45:45,679 --> 01:45:53,040
you're not going to eventually have a
plan to do it elsewhere. and the fact

1309
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:58,400
that Third Street had had this, you
know, the typical bike lane um

1310
01:45:56,800 --> 01:46:01,760
configuration along the central and
other places in town.

1311
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:05,679
» Yeah. I think the the other the other ch
the like other at least one challenge

1312
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:12,239
that I can think of associated with that
is do in the areas where you do that

1313
01:46:09,199 --> 01:46:16,239
where you install kind of what I'll call
protected bike lane do you then lose the

1314
01:46:14,719 --> 01:46:21,119
potential to also have the on street
parking associated

1315
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:26,679
» if a flip
>> yeah can you can do it it's a pretty

1316
01:46:23,679 --> 01:46:26,679
significant

1317
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:34,320
design change that hasn't it had simply
hasn't we haven't looked it can but but

1318
01:46:32,719 --> 01:46:40,320
again I think it would only make sense
to look at it seriously if the city is

1319
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:45,199
interested in changing what they would
want their standard application to be

1320
01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:54,159
because to do it for one or two blocks
each and not have a plan to do it

1321
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:57,560
um continue it wouldn't I don't think
it very much

1322
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:05,840
Right.
>> I thought I heard you said you're going

1323
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:09,119
to maintain the um
drive-in parking

1324
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:12,080
the current pull in.
>> Yes.

1325
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:14,480
» And how many space you think you lose?
One

1326
01:47:12,719 --> 01:47:19,600
» one or two I think for that. Well,
there's 55 I want to say 54 55 between

1327
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:25,920
Fifth and Main Street.
>> Yeah. I hate to see another big old

1328
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:30,560
uh patch. I don't know. The plan allows
the crosswalk to be

1329
01:47:28,639 --> 01:47:34,320
20 feet based on I mean in front of
Danny's house. I can understand that big

1330
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:38,560
point out there
>> and I think that would be handled at at

1331
01:47:36,159 --> 01:47:42,000
fifth with if it's it sounds like people
are feeling good about the bumpout

1332
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:46,560
option you would have that in lie of
striping.

1333
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:53,440
» It wouldn't be much
already out there. The north side is

1334
01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:59,600
might be spanned by a couple feet. the
south side more than

1335
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:04,360
so
at the moment you lost one on the north

1336
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:04,360
side

1337
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:13,679
» with the phone kind of matching that
>> and of course that's

1338
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:17,520
where they're from downtown.
>> Yeah, they won't hear nothing else.

1339
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:21,520
It'll be parking. They don't care about
your sewer. They don't care about your

1340
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:24,840
power. you know, hear about your depth
of gravel.

1341
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:32,719
Um, but I think that those are the major
points and don't need all the answers

1342
01:48:30,239 --> 01:48:37,199
tonight. I guess if there's thoughts,
feelings that you want to convey back to

1343
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:45,760
Justin. Um we do have a schedule to keep
as far as we are waiting still

1344
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:50,960
um on getting uh feedback uh approval
from NEPA shipo clearance has been

1345
01:48:48,719 --> 01:48:55,760
submitted months ago um don't have that
yet so there's a little bit of time so I

1346
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:59,360
don't um don't want to have anybody feel
rushed but if you sleep on it and have

1347
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:05,360
feedback that that we need to be aware
of please communicate that we'll get it

1348
01:49:03,679 --> 01:49:09,560
but right now what I'm hearing They tore
it down the oldest house on the block.

1349
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:14,880
» Sounds like the bump out traffic calming
thing. People have a good feeling about

1350
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:18,159
that and and the decker crosswalk
configuration that's shown in the

1351
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:19,840
drawings.
Um

1352
01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:24,800
» and it looks like you're lowering the
profile on the other blocks which is

1353
01:49:22,719 --> 01:49:30,000
good because the sidewalk underwater a
lot of times. So that's good.

1354
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:35,280
» It's good.
>> It's exciting project. It's

1355
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:40,560
the been dragging down the city's
average major road ratings for a long

1356
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:46,560
time. So tackling this one is going to
um really improve the overall metrics

1357
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:50,960
for the city system.
>> Very good. Appreciate you being here

1358
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:53,960
tonight. Any questions for Marcus or the
team?

1359
01:49:54,480 --> 01:49:58,560
» Okay. Thank you, sir.
>> Thank you.

1360
01:49:56,480 --> 01:50:02,639
» Keep up the good work.
And last but not least is item M2,

1361
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:08,480
consideration of moving the September
14th, 2026 city council meeting to

1362
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:12,800
Monument Park. Joe,
>> we

1363
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:17,119
move the September 14th, 2026 city
council meeting to Monument Park with an

1364
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:21,280
alternate location of city hall in the
event of inclement weather.

1365
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:25,560
» Motion by Santa Farah.
>> Second.

1366
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:25,560
» Second by tell

1367
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:34,239
Pavlo. Any discussion needed?
>> I mean, I held this meeting outside. I

1368
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:40,280
uh hid in my HV there for five minutes
because it started raining,

1369
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:40,280
» but back outside.

1370
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:47,600
» Excellent. I I thought you'd be doing
the reading from the swamp.

1371
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:51,520
» Uh well, you know, it's 110 degrees
outside and super humid, so it's about

1372
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:54,080
as swampy as it gets.
>> Yeah. Okay.

1373
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:58,000
» Oh, where's that at? Because it ain't
here. So, you're confident we could make

1374
01:50:56,239 --> 01:51:02,480
an attempt at this and give it a try.
>> Yeah. So, uh it's actually interesting.

1375
01:50:59,679 --> 01:51:07,119
We the um original setup that we used
over at St. Andrews for when you know

1376
01:51:05,119 --> 01:51:11,520
just just postcoid and we could start
holding meetings but virtually.

1377
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:13,679
» Um we're basically going to
>> bring that over

1378
01:51:12,159 --> 01:51:18,080
» bring that over and
>> and uh reuse it.

1379
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:22,960
» Will is it Zoom accessible?
>> Uh so so for the outdoor meetings we we

1380
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:25,760
would not do Zoom.
>> Yep. Okay.

1381
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:30,320
Okay, please call a vote.
>> Wait.

1382
01:51:29,199 --> 01:51:37,920
» Oh, did Jeff, did you I'm sorry, I
missed a hand. Please.

1383
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:45,760
» Um I going back to the the um
the um in my opinion the work that this

1384
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:51,440
put on staff. Um I I think yeah, we can
give it a try this time. I'm you know it

1385
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:57,199
it I'm not super comfortable with all
the work but I I think we can give it a

1386
01:51:54,000 --> 01:52:03,280
try. I think for following years, if we
want to do this in the summer, um we

1387
01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:10,719
should plan to take advantage of when we
have the the tent up between

1388
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:16,239
um the um summer festival and the and
the um Paint Dexter festival because it

1389
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:24,080
gives us a lot of the infrastructure
that we need for this. And um also if

1390
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:29,280
the weather is, you know, pouring, we
still can potentially keep going. Um so

1391
01:52:27,119 --> 01:52:34,800
I think we we should u we should do
that. Um I'm again

1392
01:52:32,639 --> 01:52:39,440
not in favor of putting this much work
on staff, but I think we can give it a

1393
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:45,280
try. And I would really appreciate that
after this we hear good feedback from

1394
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:51,639
staff on the level of work that this was
done um for us to make good decision for

1395
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:51,639
next year.

1396
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:59,520
Any other comments?
Okay, please call the vote.

1397
01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:01,360
» Papa,
>> yes.

1398
01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:03,199
» Faroh,
>> yes.

1399
01:53:02,639 --> 01:53:05,760
» Yes.
>> Alder,

1400
01:53:04,239 --> 01:53:11,199
» yes.
>> Yes. Motion carries.

1401
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:14,080
We are back around and non-arranged
participation.

1402
01:53:12,719 --> 01:53:18,360
» Is there anyone in the audience or
online that would like to speak this

1403
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:18,360
evening?

1404
01:53:19,119 --> 01:53:26,159
Seeing none, we'll do council comments
starting for with Mr. Tell this evening.

1405
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:30,560
No, thank you. Mr. Popoff.
>> No, thank you.

1406
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:34,159
» Student reps.
All

1407
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:39,440
» good. Joe, sorry to break the streak.
It's okay. The um

1408
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:46,400
We get a little bit of feedback from Sio
Township. So I

1409
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:50,960
don't know how I would request I I guess
what I'm requesting is that by the next

1410
01:53:48,239 --> 01:53:55,760
meeting we have something in writing
that we can

1411
01:53:53,360 --> 01:54:04,239
communicate with Scio Township with
respect to a 425 letter and also

1412
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:10,520
know definitively what we need to do to
initiate the filing at state boundary

1413
01:54:06,480 --> 01:54:10,520
commission because

1414
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:17,920
I mean, I appreciate that they're
meeting with us, but we haven't made any

1415
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:26,000
progress in a few months. And um I think
we're trying pretty hard and uh have

1416
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:32,320
made suggestions and proposals and um
we're not getting a lot of feedback.

1417
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:37,920
Um I'm just on that I'm expecting to
hear from Mariah Wednesday. Understand?

1418
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:42,760
and maybe that'll inform that for the
next meeting.

1419
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:42,760
Um

1420
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:52,400
there was a decision tonight by the
Supreme Court that um mail-in voting

1421
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:59,679
could potentially
be dictated by the executive order that

1422
01:54:56,320 --> 01:55:06,639
was issued previously.
it potentially could impact whether or

1423
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:11,920
not we can do mail-in ballots.
So my question for feedback again for

1424
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:16,560
the next meeting would be what are we
going to do if that's the case? I mean

1425
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:21,119
because if we aren't mailing out ballots
then I assume people would have to come

1426
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:26,760
in and vote. We would have to go through
the absentee process as it normally is.

1427
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:31,679
Part of it is whether or not voter lists
are going to go to the post office so

1428
01:55:30,239 --> 01:55:36,639
that they'll have an approved list of
people that can receive ballots. So, I

1429
01:55:34,719 --> 01:55:40,560
don't know where it's all going to shake
out. I'm assuming that the clerks of

1430
01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:45,840
Michigan are going to have a lot of
dialogue in the next couple of days

1431
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:51,400
about this and uh obviously we're coming
up on the elections pretty quickly.

1432
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:51,400
Um,

1433
01:55:51,440 --> 01:56:01,119
and uh, the last thing is I want to uh,
thank Pablo for Mr. Papa for bringing up

1434
01:55:57,599 --> 01:56:04,400
the uh, the meeting in the park. Um, I I
do agree it's potentially going to be

1435
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:08,400
some additional work, but I think it's a
great idea and uh, looking forward to it

1436
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:15,280
and I'm hoping that it's something we
can manage and continue in the future as

1437
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:17,360
well. Looking forward to it.
No.

1438
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:18,480
» Last but not least.
>> Thank you.

1439
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:22,239
» You're all set.
>> You all said it all.

1440
01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:26,000
» Okay. Okay. Who wants to make the motion
for adjournment?

1441
01:56:24,159 --> 01:56:28,880
» Move by tell.
>> I second.

1442
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:30,960
» Second by Aldag. All in favor signify by
saying I. Please. I

1443
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:33,040
» I
>> I.

1444
01:56:31,679 --> 01:56:36,639
» Good evening and a good Labor Day
weekend. And uh

1445
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:39,520
» see you back here in three weeks.
>> Yeah.

1446
01:56:37,199 --> 01:56:42,560
» Actually, not here. Don't come here.
>> Go to the park.

1447
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:47,440
» Go to Don't go to the park.
>> Have a good one, Pablo. does anything

1448
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:51,080
crazy like jump out any planes.
>> Jumping on the 12th.