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Chamber. I'm calling to order this

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meeting. Legislative meeting of the

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council of the district of columbia.

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this is the 28th legislative meeting of council period 26.

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and I believe all the members are participating in person.

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I think well, we'll see. We'll determine a quorum in a

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minute. This is an additional meeting.

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that is to say, it's not a regularly scheduled meeting.

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the next regular meeting of the council legislative meeting will

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be on may 5th. We always begin our legislative

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meetings. With a moment of silence.

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I would ask that members on the dais, as well as everyone in the

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chamber, respect a moment of silence, an opportunity for

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reflection. Madam secretary, would you

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please call the roll? Council member allen here.

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councilmember bonds here. Councilmember crawford here.

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councilmember felder, present. Councilmember frumin.

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present. Councilmember henderson here.

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councilmember louis. George here.

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here. Chairman mendelson.

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present. Councilmember nadeau.

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here. Councilmember parker here.

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councilmember pinto. Present councilmember robert

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white. Councilmember robert white,

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councilmember trayon white, sr. Present.

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mr. Chairman, you have a quorum. Thank you, madam secretary.

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the agenda says consent agenda. I'm going to assume it's a non

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consent agenda unless there's objection.

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and so we will proceed to first reading and vote on proposed

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bills. We have bill 20 6-461 entitled

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the juvenile curfew amendment act of 2026, reported out of the

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committee on judiciary and public safety, chaired by

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council member pinto councilmember.

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pinto. Thank you, mr. Chairman.

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as discussed in the cao today, we have before us the permanent

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version of the juvenile curfew amendment act, and we must

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continue ensuring that our kids are engaged in positive

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activities and keep them safe from dangerous situations.

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again, over the last eight months, this tool to allow mpd

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to declare specific juvenile curfew zones and extend the

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applicability to 17 year olds has proven to be successful in

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keeping youth, residents, visitors and others safe and

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preventing harm. We have seen an uprise in

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so-called teen takeovers, and we need to similarly be responsive

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with new tools ourselves. Curfew violations in dc do not

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result in arrests and the curfew zones themselves only apply to

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groups of eight or more unsupervised kids under the age

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of 18. And I want to reiterate that.

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so people know that even when a zone is declared, kids in

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smaller groups are still free to be in those spaces and enjoy

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them as they can with any other space across the city.

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I also want to note two questions that have come came up

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earlier in the discussion. One is that the national guard

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is not authorized to make arrests, and two to

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councilmember louis george's questions of opc complaints.

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there has been one that I'm aware of, which is the one

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instance that happened over this past weekend that we are

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tracking closely. And concerned about.

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so I won't repeat everything I said about the at the cao of the

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importance of this bill, but I do think that as all adults

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throughout our city, whether you're on the council or whether

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you work in an agency, whether you're a parent, a teacher,

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anyone who works with young people, we all should be on the

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same team that it is incumbent on all of us to do everything we

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can to support and invest in our young people, and to set clear

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standards of safe behavior to keep them safe.

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and I know that we're all committed to that goal.

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and so I ask my colleagues to support this bill today.

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thank you, councilmember. The agenda states that you are

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moving an amendment nature of a substitute.

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yeah. So thank you very much.

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I was moving an amendment in the nature of a substitute.

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but after close collaboration and work with councilmember

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crawford and mayor bowser, I'm happy to say that we have come

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to a compromise and I'm withdrawing this as today,

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councilmember crawford and I have found a workable solution

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to move this legislation forward with one combined ans and so I'm

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going to be accepting her as friendly, but I'll defer to her

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to to speak to some of those elements.

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and then I'll have some some other comments.

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but I want to thank councilmember crawford for her

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partnership and her leadership on this important issue.

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then I'm going to recognize you, councilmember crawford.

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thank you, mr. Chairman. And procedurally, I'll also have

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an amendment to the ins that councilmember pinto and I worked

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on. After I speak to the ans, I have

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no idea what you just said. Okay, so I'll start with the

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ans. So first I'm moving to an ans to

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build 26 461. This ans is the result of

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spending a significant amount of time listening to residents who

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are concerned about safety, to advocates and importantly, the

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young people themselves. What we heard was not one sided.

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everyone wants to and deserves to feel safe in their community.

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but we also have to recognize that feeling safe can be

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experienced differently by different members of our

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community. Too often, efforts to create

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safety for some can unintentionally create harm for

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others. This ans reflects an effort to

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take that feedback seriously and strike a more thoughtful

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balance. First, the ans streamlines and

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clarifies authority. It consolidates the mayor's and

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chief of police powers into a single framework and removes

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duplicative processes. It also eliminates eliminates

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the ability for business improvement districts and main

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street organizations to petition for curfew zones.

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as korea notes, expanding that type of authority to individuals

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and entities that are not elected risk reinforcing spatial

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injustice and neighborhood tensions between youth and their

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community leaders, particularly when decisions about who belongs

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in certain spaces are not made with youth input or broader

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community accountability. Second, this ans removes the

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ability to impose temporary citywide extended curfew hours

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starting as soon as 8 p.m. The intent here is to keep curfew as

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a targeted tool. We know from the committee's

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committee report and mpd that these curfew zone extensions are

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most often used to respond to specific gatherings, like teen

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takeovers, where there is credible intelligence about time

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and place. If we are at a point where we

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need a citywide restriction of that magnitude, that is an

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emergency and the mayor already has emergency authorities for

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that. This ans makes that distinction

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clear. Third, this ans also updates the

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language of the statute by replacing the term juvenile with

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youth. That is a deliberate shift away

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from terminology rooted in the criminal legal system and toward

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language that reflects how we should be engaging young people

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as members of our community to be supported, not just manage or

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penalize. Fourth, it strengthens notice

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requirements, but I'll address this more in my subsequent

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amendment because we made some changes here.

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fifth, it establishes guardrails on enforcement.

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we've seen and heard from youth serving community organizations

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that increase reliance on police interaction, particularly for

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black youth, can exacerbate disparities and erode trust,

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even when policies are intended to improve safety.

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the ans makes clear that young people cannot be stopped or

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dispersed simply for being present, for being in small

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groups, or for reasons that do not actually constitute a

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violation of the curfew or existing law.

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one more minute, chairman. Without objection, these are

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common sense protections that ensure enforcement is tied to

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behavior, not perception. And finally, this ans recognizes

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something that the research is very clear about.

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enforcement alone does not address the underlying

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conditions driving these gatherings.

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if we are telling young people where they cannot be, we should

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simultaneously be a part of creating spaces where they can

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be. So this ans requires youth

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programing. When a curfew zone is in effect,

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but it does so in a practical way.

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it does not assume the district must stand up entirely.

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new programing overnight. The district can work with

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community based organizations, and as the mayor noted in her

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letter, the district already offers a range of late night and

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youth focused activities through dpr and community partners.

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the af. The ans also ensures that young

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people can travel to and from those activities without being

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penalized, and that their voices are included in shaping what

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those opportunities look like. So at its core, this ans shifts

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the approach from one that relies primarily on restriction

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and enforcement to one that is more targeted, transparent, and

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grounded in engagement. It keeps curfew as a tool, but

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uses it more precisely and pairs it with the kind of supports

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that we know actually make a difference.

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and finally, I want to thank rania dinkins, my legislative

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director, and lauren mendoza of ogc, for the time and

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consideration that they spent on drafting this ans and

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councilmember pinto and her team and the executive for working

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collaboratively with me on this. So I move this amendment and

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urge my colleagues to support. So let me see if I understand

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what we're doing here procedurally.

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so you circulated an amendment in nature of a substitute

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yesterday. Yes.

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that's what you're moving. And then you're going to move an

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amendment to that? Yes.

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and the amendment at 1230? Well, I have two.

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I have one at 1230 and one at 129.

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this is the 1231. This is to the permanent bill.

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okay. Because the 1230 is to the

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permanent bill, which is what we have before us.

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yes. Okay.

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so what we have now before us is the amendment nature of a

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substitute. Now, you want me to recognize

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you for an amendment to that? Unless.

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councilmember pinto. I didn't know if you had

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something else that you were adding.

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I think we want to get the amendment.

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we want to get on the floor. What?

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we're going to get on the floor. But you don't get to give a

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whole nother four minute speech. I was just going to hit the

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points in the notice for the amendment speech.

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all right. So so that all members

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understand councilmember pinto has moved the committee print.

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councilmember crawford has moved an amendment initiative, a

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substitute. And I'm now recognizing you to

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move an amendment to that. A n s yes.

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so this amendment, which I circulated at 12:30 p.m., makes

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the following changes in collaboration with councilmember

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pinto. It updates the findings section

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of the code to include a mention of team takeovers and the rise

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in social media use to. To disseminate this information,

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it reverts the citywide curfew hours back to what the hours

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were prior to the first emergency, which passed in july

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20th, 2025. So that is midnight on weekends

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and during the summer months. It defines youth to add clarity

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to the term extended youth curfew zone, it only requires

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the new components of the zone notice, including a plain, plain

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language description of lawful activities and details about

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alternative youth events to be posted online instead of on the

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physical signs. It allows the police to issue

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verbal warnings. No sooner than 30 minutes before

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the start of curfew, and then it requires the chief of police to

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consider several statistics concerning youth, specifically

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before determining whether to designate an extended youth

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curfew zone, aligning with the most recently passed language in

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b 26 460. So that is what is before us.

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I'll recognize councilmember pinto.

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I will just say, you know, thank you again to councilor crawford

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for working so closely with us on this and to ensure that this

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language adopts the intention that you were trying to do, and

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also ensures that it is workable for mpd and for the community.

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and so I will be accepting both the a n's and the amendments to

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the a n's as friendly to the underlying permanent.

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okay. Now the only way something is

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friendly is if there's no objection, I can ask if there's

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any objection. Is there any objection to the

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amendment to the a n's hearing? None.

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it is accepted. Now, that's what was circulated

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at 1230 by email today at 12:30 p.m.

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that's accepted. Without objection.

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we have the a n's as amended before us.

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is there a discussion on that? Similarly, I'm accepting the a

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n's as friendly. I can ask.

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objection. Yes.

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council member tran yeah I have a question in regards to the

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amendment you sent. I guess.

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129. That is to the emergency which

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is not before us. Okay.

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it's confusing on which what what are we.

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which one are you talking about? What time frame?

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1230. 1230.

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wait, because that's the question I have is about the

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next one. So.

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so my question is, is there any objection to the amendment

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nature of a substitute, as amended?

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hearing none, that is accepted. So now we have the print as

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amended. Is there discussion?

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and sorry, to make matters more complicated, I have one oral

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amendment. Oh.

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not yet. Oh never mind, that's on the

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emergency. We have the amendment in the

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nature of a substitute, as amended before us.

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no, we have the bill as amended before us.

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the bill as amended before us. Councilmember allen, do you want

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to be recognized? I do, thank you.

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I want to thank councilmember crawford for the work to put

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this in and to put it as together.

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I'll be very frank. This is what should have come

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out of the judiciary committee to begin with.

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the committee would allow curfews citywide.

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it would give an unaccountable organizations the ability to

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request curfews, no requirement for alternative programing.

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I've said consistently that a narrow, precise and time limited

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curfew can be a tool, but it simply cannot be the only tool

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that our city has or uses. Part of the reason that we are

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here is the result of a lack of investment in the very teens

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that we are, that are the subject of this conversation.

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so what scenario of allowing citywide policies saying that

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they cannot gather in public space makes sense.

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it's that kind of overly broad provision that would not allow

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me to vote for the committee print without councilmember

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crawford's important and substantial changes.

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when pushed, we have seen dpr put together meaningful and

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positive experiences. I can note that around greenleaf

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rec center and randall rec center, the activities taking

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place inside were largely very positive, and I think there's a

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lot of lessons learned about what happened when the events

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ended, and a lot of lessons learned that dpr can continue to

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work on. But unquestionably, I heard

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positive feedback from young people who were at the events

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and inside. We also can't limit this just to

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dpr. We know that we have incredible

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community organizations that can partner and I think councilor

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crawford's legislation does that.

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I have to note, though, this is the same system, the same dpr

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that closes most of its rec centers at the exact hours that

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we are concerned about. So the city has been lacking

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with imagination and creativity to reach the very people it's

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concerned about. I think councilmember crawford's

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amendment changes. This requires the city to

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provide and promote alternatives whenever they want to be able to

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use this tool. And again, I'm grateful for the

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work that councilmember crawford and her team did to put this in

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and put it before us today. Thank you.

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thank you, councilmember henderson.

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thank you, mr. Chairman. Let me just say at the top that

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I'll be supporting this measure today.

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as former mayor marion barry said in 1995, when he first

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signed this original curfew legislation into law, that this

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is a tool, one that I think has been useful.

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one of the interesting things about american life is that

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there's some collective things that have happened in all of our

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upbringings, regardless of where we grew up, but mainly for those

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of us who were raised in cities, one of those was the parental

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and community expectation that when the street lights came on,

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kids needed to be headed towards the house.

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but somewhere along the way, in 2026, that has become a bit

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controversial. And I know that growing up today

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is different than growing up, as many of us did in the 90s and

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early 2000. But some of those dangers still

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exist in dc you all had gogos in new york city.

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there were skating rinks in columbus, georgia, where I went

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to high school. There was the mall and all of

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these scenarios, all of these businesses closed.

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at a certain point, there were no more movies to be played, no

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more starbucks coffees that you can buy.

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and even if you were at someone's house, eventually,

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carl's mom didn't want us in her den anymore because she was

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trying to go to bed. At some point, the activities

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ended and folks had to go home. Now, a curfew cannot be the only

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thing. And that's why I sent a letter

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to the mayor's office back in march asking for the district's

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plans to engage the district's youth this summer and spring,

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especially given so many other events that will be going on.

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they responded a few weeks ago, dpr did roll out a very

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successful and engaging teen spring jam and programing.

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during spring break, I followed up with dpr about how things

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went, what it took to pull that off from a resources standpoint,

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because while it may seem seamless, it actually required

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lots of staff manpower and also questions around what this looks

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like from a sustainability standpoint so that we could

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continue to plan for some of these in the future.

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I've also started a conversation with some of our bid leaders

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about how they can adapt some of their spring and summer

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programing to offer something geared toward teens and their

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general lineup. They were open to those

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conversations, and we have a follow up meeting with some

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youth serving organizations to further brainstorm in coming

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weeks. The expanded curfew legislation

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that we're voting on today is not a panacea.

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it is a tool. It is a tool that mpd has not

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employed every day. They have not employed every

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weekend. And I will certainly admit that

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the coordination between dpr and pd and metro transit pd, when

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these sponsored events in need to be refined, but also we need

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to continue working with parents and community members as well.

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in terms of what are our expectations around young people

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when they're in public spaces and what happens in the evening

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times. But there are events going on

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all the time, even this weekend on kingman island, there's going

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to be a teen band summit, featuring eight bands from

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teens. Suggest these spaces to your

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young people in your life separately.

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I do want to call on dc public schools this summer to work with

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high school student government organizations to work through

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some of the issues such that safe third spaces like football

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games and basketball games are not closed off as options next

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school year. Because I feel like that has led

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to where we are today. And with that, I will stop and

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say, I hope that we can move this forward today.

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thank you. Thank you.

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councilmember henderson. Councilmember felder.

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thank you, mr. Chairman. Good afternoon, everyone.

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first and foremost, I would like to take a moment to thank

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council members pinto and crawford for their leadership on

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this matter. It's also important to reflect

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on how we got here as a city. Last summer, the council voted

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to implement the juvenile curfew emergency amendment act of 2025.

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we did so because there was a clear need for intervention in

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order to mitigate the rise in levels of violence and vandalism

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that we were seeing from youth in the district.

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now, as a native washingtonian, I remember what it was like

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being a teenager in our city. And here's what I know to be

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true. Teenagers want to have fun.

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teenagers want to spend time with their families and friends.

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teenagers want to keep a little bit of money in their pockets,

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and teenagers want to explore new places across our city.

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we also took advantage of the city's kids ride free program,

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the summer youth employment program, and activities

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happening in our local neighborhoods and recreation

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centers. Many of those same programs

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still exist today, and some have expanded.

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now, in addition to the troubling videos of youth

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captured at navy yard, which let me be clear, those videos are

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not a reflection of all of our youth.

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there are also videos of law enforcement interactions with

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youth that are extremely concerning and should be

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investigated, which is why I support this bill today because

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it makes no sense for us to put any of our youth in harm's way.

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now, here's the reality. This bill is not a tool, but

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it's not. Or rather, this bill is a tool,

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but it's not the only tool. If we all can agree that there

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needs to be a holistic approach when creating more constructive

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ways for our youth to gather in a positive and productive

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manner, we also can agree that the government cannot substitute

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in the role of being a parent, and that at some point, there

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needs to be a broader discussion about what parental

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accountability looks like in the district of columbia.

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as city leaders, we have a responsibility to protect our

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residents of all ages, and that includes making the best

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informed decisions on behalf of our young folks.

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while I'm in favor of extending the juvenile curfew, I also look

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forward to working with my council colleagues and community

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members to develop a holistic approach that includes

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programing and activities that that allow our youth to

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congregate and safe and productive environments.

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and I too look look forward to my colleagues supporting this

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bill as well. Thank you, mr. Chairman.

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thank you. Councilmember felder.

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councilmember robert white. Thank you, chairman.

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I want to thank councilmember pinto and councilmember crawford

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for working on an amendment while while the amendment in the

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nature of a substitute does improve the legislation, it

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still doesn't address a fundamental fact, which is that

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the curfews are not working right.

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so people want to be able to go out, go out to dinner, feel

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safe. We all deserve that.

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but as my colleague said, we started these curfews last

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summer for the better part of a year.

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we've had the curfews and the things that we're pointing to

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saying, these are the reasons we need.

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the curfews are things that have happened while we've had

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curfews. If it's not working, why would

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we keep doing this? But to make it worse?

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and this is why the strategy matters, right?

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the proposed budget that we got last week cuts over $6 million

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from the department of behavioral health, including

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school based behavioral health. Is this going to make it better

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or worse? It's going to get worse.

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the budget the proposed budget cuts $35 million from the

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department of human services, including for family support

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services. This is going to make it worse.

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the proposed budget we received last week cuts over $5 million

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from the department of parks and rec, which we're saying is going

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to come save the day. This makes the issue worse.

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but on the other side of the ledger it adds $90 million for

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mpd. How is it that we always have

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the money to incarcerate and handcuff, but we don't have the

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money to prevent? The reason I'm voting no is

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because I'm not going to be part of a system that always says, we

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have the resources for consequences, but not the

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resources for prevention. We can't keep going in this

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circle and expect anything other than what we have.

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and not only will it get worse, the cost will go up.

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when we don't invest in these spaces.

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dpr mental health, family services parenting doesn't get

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better. Outcomes don't get better, they

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get worse. And then they're going to say,

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you know what we need? We need more police.

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it is insanity. So I understand the political

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pressure to not be seen as soft on crime, but at some point we

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have at least got to be logical. This is not logical.

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and we cannot forget that these young people are seeing this

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conversation. They're seeing us pointing

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fingers at them saying, look, these young people, what they're

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doing, the vast majority of them are not involved with them, but

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they're getting the same finger pointed at them.

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they're using the same resources, and they're seeing

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the resources go to consequences.

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this cannot be the way that we operate.

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this cannot be the way that we govern.

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so while I do want to see an end to the bad behavior that happens

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in these groups, I've got to recognize that this is not a

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path to a better outcome. It is a reinvestment in the

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outcome that has gotten us here. And I don't be a part of it, so

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I can't vote for it. Thank you.

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chairman. Thank you.

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councilmember white councilmember nadeau.

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I know. You know, I'm looking for who

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else wants to be recognized. Councilmember.

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nadeau. You have the floor.

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we can't hear him. Councilmember.

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nadeau. Hold on a second.

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ask her to check her. Can you check your mic?

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councilmember. Nadeau because we can't hear

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you. You're not muted.

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say something. I'm talking.

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can you hear me? Oh, yes.

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it's beautiful. Oh, wonderful.

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I'll take it. Maybe I should quit while I'm

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ahead. No.

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just kidding. Okay.

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thank you chairman. Other colleagues today have

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explained how this policy is not effective, harms our kids, and

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disproportionately impacts black and brown children.

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so I'm not going to repeat that. We need to be serious about

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safety and not play politics with our communities and kids.

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as a mom of two kids and one who has significant resources, even

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I struggle with parenting sometimes.

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but one thing I've learned, especially as my kids get older,

491
00:27:40,270 --> 00:27:43,163
is that kids need to be treated with respect, they need to be

492
00:27:43,163 --> 00:27:45,765
heard, and more than anything, they need the adults responsible

493
00:27:45,765 --> 00:27:48,379
for them. And I consider that all of us to

494
00:27:48,379 --> 00:27:50,680
be there for them when they're struggling and to help them make

495
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,917
good choices for themselves and for those around them.

496
00:27:53,917 --> 00:27:56,286
this bill doesn't do that, in my opinion.

497
00:27:56,286 --> 00:27:58,822
instead, it doles out punishment and makes things worse.

498
00:27:58,822 --> 00:28:01,324
maybe not immediately, because I know a lot of people think that

499
00:28:01,324 --> 00:28:03,993
we have to be tough and that we get results that way, but

500
00:28:03,993 --> 00:28:06,229
there's just way too much evidence about the long term

501
00:28:06,229 --> 00:28:07,865
negative impacts on kids in our communities.

502
00:28:07,865 --> 00:28:09,799
with these types of policies, for me to ignore it.

503
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:12,468
and this may be my last year on the council, but that makes it

504
00:28:12,468 --> 00:28:14,871
all the more important to me that I do not contribute to

505
00:28:14,871 --> 00:28:18,608
taking our city down the wrong path when it comes to our youth.

506
00:28:18,608 --> 00:28:21,345
in 2016, I introduced the legislation that established the

507
00:28:21,345 --> 00:28:24,581
current out of school time office that offers kids after

508
00:28:24,581 --> 00:28:28,180
school and summer programs, and later I introduced legislation

509
00:28:28,180 --> 00:28:30,286
that would have expanded out of school time programing to all

510
00:28:30,286 --> 00:28:32,556
d.c. Public schools and charter school students, with an

511
00:28:32,556 --> 00:28:35,892
emphasis on access for youth who are at risk, low income and

512
00:28:35,892 --> 00:28:38,963
criminal justice involved. I supported creation, expansion

513
00:28:38,963 --> 00:28:41,598
of violence interruption programs in my ward and district

514
00:28:41,598 --> 00:28:43,800
wide, finding money in the budget to make sure those

515
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,404
programs continue and expand. We make choices in how we spend

516
00:28:47,404 --> 00:28:50,640
our money. The mayor has also made choices.

517
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,511
the mayor's proposed fy 27 budget cuts, over $6 million

518
00:28:54,511 --> 00:28:57,848
from the department of behavioral services, including

519
00:28:57,848 --> 00:29:00,916
school based behavioral health, $35 million from the department

520
00:29:00,916 --> 00:29:04,386
of human services, including for family support services and $5

521
00:29:04,386 --> 00:29:07,560
million from the department of parks and rec for site based

522
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,656
programing. Her budget adds $6.5 million to

523
00:29:11,127 --> 00:29:13,329
youth rehabilitative services, including for secure detention

524
00:29:13,329 --> 00:29:15,732
of youth. And as council member allen

525
00:29:15,732 --> 00:29:19,269
mentioned, 90 million for mpd. She's now choosing with her

526
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:22,372
emergency declaration last week to double down on what does not

527
00:29:22,372 --> 00:29:24,674
work youth curfews. Even as she takes away funding

528
00:29:24,674 --> 00:29:28,100
from the programs that we know do work, and this legislation

529
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:31,214
before us today does the same. For months, we extended the

530
00:29:31,214 --> 00:29:33,416
emergency curfew legislation, and each time we said we needed

531
00:29:33,416 --> 00:29:36,152
to work on a comprehensive plan that includes the programs and

532
00:29:36,152 --> 00:29:38,621
initiatives I listed, and that we need a permanent piece of

533
00:29:38,621 --> 00:29:40,790
legislation that could get a hearing and vetting.

534
00:29:40,790 --> 00:29:43,827
I've said no to the emergency extensions, but have always been

535
00:29:43,827 --> 00:29:45,829
open to a comprehensive solution.

536
00:29:45,829 --> 00:29:48,732
the bill before us today is not it.

537
00:29:48,732 --> 00:29:51,601
I thank my colleagues for attempting some improvements on

538
00:29:51,601 --> 00:29:54,838
this bill by adding programing and checks on the curfews.

539
00:29:54,838 --> 00:29:58,975
it is not enough though. What we have here is a rebranded

540
00:29:58,975 --> 00:30:01,644
version of the tough on crime laws of the past.

541
00:30:01,644 --> 00:30:04,581
a curfews first approach that's ineffective because it fails to

542
00:30:04,581 --> 00:30:07,283
support our youth. I can't in good conscience vote

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00:30:07,283 --> 00:30:10,121
for something that is tried and proven as bad policy.

544
00:30:10,121 --> 00:30:13,721
thank you, mr. Chairman. Thank you.

545
00:30:14,190 --> 00:30:17,190
councilmember nadeau councilmember louis george.

546
00:30:17,494 --> 00:30:19,494
thank you. Chairman.

547
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:24,200
adding and utilizing this tool. While this city is currently

548
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,700
under federal occupation is dangerous.

549
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:29,672
it is dangerous for our young people.

550
00:30:29,672 --> 00:30:32,609
it is dangerous for our community as a whole.

551
00:30:32,609 --> 00:30:39,209
and the risk, the risk does not outweigh the perceived benefits.

552
00:30:39,816 --> 00:30:43,190
what we have seen since these expanded juvenile curfews have

553
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:48,358
gone into effect this weekend. Videos and headlines circulated

554
00:30:48,358 --> 00:30:51,695
showing officer pulling away young women forcefully off a

555
00:30:51,695 --> 00:30:54,764
bike riding pass that was two not in a group of eight.

556
00:30:54,764 --> 00:30:57,567
two young women pulled off their bikes.

557
00:30:57,567 --> 00:31:01,404
we've received reports and videos of officers and armed

558
00:31:01,404 --> 00:31:05,307
guards threatening youth with pepper spray and paint guns,

559
00:31:05,307 --> 00:31:08,845
things we vow to get rid of after the george george floyd

560
00:31:08,845 --> 00:31:11,681
era of protest and actions that were taken.

561
00:31:11,681 --> 00:31:15,618
and yet these things pepper spray and paint guns are being

562
00:31:15,618 --> 00:31:18,655
utilized in this moment to threaten and enforce these

563
00:31:18,655 --> 00:31:21,691
curfews. I've also heard reports of

564
00:31:21,691 --> 00:31:24,427
officers outside of the randall teen center event.

565
00:31:24,427 --> 00:31:28,765
this is from youth saying they were being herded toward the

566
00:31:28,765 --> 00:31:33,203
youth curfew zone in navy yard, where they would be in violation

567
00:31:33,203 --> 00:31:36,340
of the curfew. And we've seen videos of

568
00:31:36,340 --> 00:31:39,642
national guard troops and officers interrogating youth

569
00:31:39,642 --> 00:31:43,613
coming off the metro in southeast as early as 4 p.m.

570
00:31:43,613 --> 00:31:48,510
we've seen it with one officer even taunting a metro rider.

571
00:31:48,510 --> 00:31:54,570
we're going to get you before they even came up the escalator.

572
00:31:54,570 --> 00:31:57,494
this is what our young people are experiencing, and this is

573
00:31:57,494 --> 00:32:01,970
what we are telling them that their government believes is

574
00:32:01,970 --> 00:32:04,434
necessary for them to be safe. And this is what we're telling

575
00:32:04,434 --> 00:32:08,271
them, their their government and their community thinks about

576
00:32:08,271 --> 00:32:11,875
them as young people without fully formed brain cells.

577
00:32:11,875 --> 00:32:14,678
they are the ones who have to be curfew and police.

578
00:32:14,678 --> 00:32:18,348
now, this is a city that has first amendment protests happen

579
00:32:18,348 --> 00:32:21,851
every single day, and our officers are trained at handling

580
00:32:21,851 --> 00:32:25,321
first amendment protests every single day and can plan for it.

581
00:32:25,321 --> 00:32:28,625
so I'm not sure why we can't do the preventative planning like

582
00:32:28,625 --> 00:32:31,610
we do for first amendment protests, without having to put

583
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:33,930
a curfew in place. That puts our young people at

584
00:32:33,930 --> 00:32:36,399
this risk. This type of coordination

585
00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:40,536
between federal forces and mpd is a threat to young people, but

586
00:32:40,536 --> 00:32:43,106
it is also a threat to home rule.

587
00:32:43,106 --> 00:32:46,909
no other city has national guard troops, federal agents who are

588
00:32:46,909 --> 00:32:51,130
not trained in de-escalation and enforcing curfews for their

589
00:32:51,130 --> 00:32:54,150
youth. We are the capital city and we

590
00:32:54,150 --> 00:32:57,253
are a testing ground. And if we want autonomy, we have

591
00:32:57,253 --> 00:33:00,690
to handle our own enforcement. And until we can do that, we

592
00:33:00,690 --> 00:33:04,293
should not be utilizing a tool that continues to put our young

593
00:33:04,293 --> 00:33:08,498
people at risk and allows us to passively allow for autonomy to

594
00:33:08,498 --> 00:33:12,468
be treaded on in this moment. Now we're being asked to vote on

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00:33:12,468 --> 00:33:14,904
a permanent version, despite evidence that the expanded

596
00:33:14,904 --> 00:33:18,441
curfews are escalating and not ameliorating the situation.

597
00:33:18,441 --> 00:33:22,311
and it's not surprising because research from juvenile curfew

598
00:33:22,311 --> 00:33:25,447
laws in other jurisdictions, ten more seconds have shown that

599
00:33:25,447 --> 00:33:28,317
curfews did not result in fewer instances of the youth involved.

600
00:33:28,317 --> 00:33:31,554
crime, public disturbances or high risk behaviors.

601
00:33:31,554 --> 00:33:34,791
so we know the things that work, and there are alternatives to

602
00:33:34,791 --> 00:33:36,826
this bill. This is not the right time to

603
00:33:36,826 --> 00:33:39,995
use this tool, and I would urge my colleagues not to support

604
00:33:39,995 --> 00:33:42,231
doing so. Thank you.

605
00:33:42,231 --> 00:33:43,700
thank you. Councilmember.

606
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:45,702
councilmember. Trayon white, sr.

607
00:33:45,702 --> 00:33:50,272
thank you, chairman. We all know that doing the same

608
00:33:50,272 --> 00:33:53,760
thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome is

609
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,760
insanity. Since 2025, we've practiced this

610
00:33:59,853 --> 00:34:05,692
model of juvenile curfew and it hasn't worked consistently week

611
00:34:05,692 --> 00:34:08,280
after week, month after month. We've seen the youth gathering

612
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,280
without real intervention and prevention.

613
00:34:12,366 --> 00:34:17,971
in 2024, during the secure dc omnibus amendment act of 2024, I

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00:34:17,971 --> 00:34:20,540
offered an amendment that passed the council.

615
00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:24,644
but when we got the budget in 2025, that particular part was

616
00:34:24,644 --> 00:34:29,383
taken out and not funded, and that amendment asked for a real,

617
00:34:29,383 --> 00:34:32,510
comprehensive plan to address public safety in washington, dc,

618
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:36,123
which we still don't have. We are throwing things to the

619
00:34:36,123 --> 00:34:41,795
wall, hoping that it sticks and hopes that we can create a safe,

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00:34:41,795 --> 00:34:45,395
lovable, friendly, walkable environment for district

621
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:48,135
residents. We've heard the quote that when

622
00:34:48,135 --> 00:34:51,238
youth don't feel loved from the village, they will burn it down

623
00:34:51,238 --> 00:34:55,142
to feel its warmth. And we're seeing their actions.

624
00:34:55,142 --> 00:35:00,470
we must meet them where they are, hear their needs, and use

625
00:35:00,470 --> 00:35:02,816
our $22 billion to address their issues.

626
00:35:02,816 --> 00:35:07,616
we have seen consistent divestments in youth, young

627
00:35:08,188 --> 00:35:10,957
adults services all across the district year after year.

628
00:35:10,957 --> 00:35:13,427
they say they want recreation centers.

629
00:35:13,427 --> 00:35:16,960
I consistently put money in ward 8 for recreation centers will

630
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,364
happen. Even this council voted to take

631
00:35:18,364 --> 00:35:22,235
money out of two recreation centers just a month ago, and a

632
00:35:22,235 --> 00:35:25,205
ward that has the most issues and the most youth out of

633
00:35:25,205 --> 00:35:28,509
anywhere in washington dc. We cannot wait until young

634
00:35:28,509 --> 00:35:31,211
people end up in the justice system to decide that we care.

635
00:35:31,211 --> 00:35:36,216
we need real investment in our youth through literacy,

636
00:35:36,216 --> 00:35:39,816
recreation, mentorship, mentorship, interns, access to

637
00:35:40,854 --> 00:35:45,826
careers and spaces where they can grow and be productive.

638
00:35:45,826 --> 00:35:50,260
I admire councilmember crawford's amendments to create

639
00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:54,201
more wraparound services and intentional how policing is

640
00:35:54,201 --> 00:35:57,471
done, but I'm concerned we are not going further enough.

641
00:35:57,471 --> 00:36:00,541
we have more money than we ever had in dc history, yet we're

642
00:36:00,541 --> 00:36:01,874
doing the least than we ever did.

643
00:36:01,874 --> 00:36:04,744
I heard a quote by marion barry. Marion barry believed in

644
00:36:04,744 --> 00:36:08,682
investments on the front end. When we had a $9 billion budget.

645
00:36:08,682 --> 00:36:11,918
today we have a $22 billion budget in less for more.

646
00:36:11,918 --> 00:36:14,489
so I'm going to vote no in support of this bill today and

647
00:36:14,489 --> 00:36:17,290
hopes that we can come back to the table to create a real

648
00:36:17,290 --> 00:36:20,361
solution to address our youth issues, which not just a youth

649
00:36:20,361 --> 00:36:22,230
problem, but also an adult problem, because we are raising

650
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:24,431
our young people directly and indirectly.

651
00:36:24,431 --> 00:36:28,631
thank you, chairman. Thank you, council member.

652
00:36:29,603 --> 00:36:33,803
further on the. On the bill, councilmember

653
00:36:34,974 --> 00:36:39,446
parker thank you, mr. Chairman. We have all seen the scenes

654
00:36:39,446 --> 00:36:42,716
across the district, large crowds, fights, breaking out,

655
00:36:42,716 --> 00:36:45,318
officers chasing young people through the streets.

656
00:36:45,318 --> 00:36:49,122
and there is no question that the behavior is troubling and

657
00:36:49,122 --> 00:36:55,280
demands a serious response. What I grapple with is the

658
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,320
debate feels overly simplified. It's either yes, give us a

659
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,936
curfew or no, let's do nothing. But I want to be equally clear

660
00:37:02,936 --> 00:37:05,472
about something. Declining to extend the curfew

661
00:37:05,472 --> 00:37:08,275
is not the same as excusing what we are seeing play out in the

662
00:37:08,275 --> 00:37:11,178
streets of the district. We can hold two truths at once.

663
00:37:11,178 --> 00:37:13,647
the behavior is unacceptable, full stop.

664
00:37:13,647 --> 00:37:16,216
and this policy is not the right solution.

665
00:37:16,216 --> 00:37:20,387
as a long term application. Instead, I'm hoping we can

666
00:37:20,387 --> 00:37:24,558
finally assemble a youth agenda that centers on expanding

667
00:37:24,558 --> 00:37:27,228
recreational outlets, job, mental health, and

668
00:37:27,228 --> 00:37:29,430
accountability. I voted for the curfew last year

669
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:32,532
on an emergency basis to give the government time to implement

670
00:37:32,532 --> 00:37:35,169
a long term, sustainable strategy.

671
00:37:35,169 --> 00:37:38,572
you may remember then chief pamela smith said they needed

672
00:37:38,572 --> 00:37:41,308
more time to implement a long term solution.

673
00:37:41,308 --> 00:37:44,411
a year later, we are back in the same place.

674
00:37:44,411 --> 00:37:48,115
the incidents are continuing and the curfew has not delivered

675
00:37:48,115 --> 00:37:51,184
what we were promised. This tells me their approach is

676
00:37:51,184 --> 00:37:55,922
not working now. I think folks are well, but I

677
00:37:55,922 --> 00:37:58,692
think we ought to be a little bit more creative.

678
00:37:58,692 --> 00:38:01,595
I genuinely worry that more young people are being stopped

679
00:38:01,595 --> 00:38:05,265
and are at risk of being pulled into the justice system, and if

680
00:38:05,265 --> 00:38:08,736
we the only way we can make this policy more effective is to

681
00:38:08,736 --> 00:38:11,604
punish more kids than. We should question whether the

682
00:38:11,604 --> 00:38:13,473
policy is the right one to begin with.

683
00:38:13,473 --> 00:38:17,673
and let me also say this government.

684
00:38:17,744 --> 00:38:21,949
government cannot substitute for parents, families and guardians

685
00:38:21,949 --> 00:38:25,618
have a fundamental responsibility to guide and

686
00:38:25,618 --> 00:38:28,355
supervise their children. I'm going to say that one more

687
00:38:28,355 --> 00:38:32,959
time because it takes a village. Families and guardians have a

688
00:38:32,959 --> 00:38:35,429
fundamental responsibility to guide and supervise their

689
00:38:35,429 --> 00:38:37,364
children. That role cannot be outsourced

690
00:38:37,364 --> 00:38:41,267
to a city wide curfew or to the government.

691
00:38:41,267 --> 00:38:45,472
and so while I do not plan to support a further extension of

692
00:38:45,472 --> 00:38:49,443
the curfew, I do not plan to vote for a permanent application

693
00:38:49,443 --> 00:38:53,180
of the curfew. I am inviting my colleagues, the

694
00:38:53,180 --> 00:38:56,716
mayor's team, for us to all sit down to come up with a youth

695
00:38:56,716 --> 00:38:59,652
centered agenda that will really address the root causes of what

696
00:38:59,652 --> 00:39:02,321
is playing out. And I saw something also, I

697
00:39:02,321 --> 00:39:04,758
think it was in the mayor's letter that, oh, when you say

698
00:39:04,758 --> 00:39:08,280
root causes, that's really code language for doing nothing.

699
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,564
no, actually it's addressing the root causes so that we can have

700
00:39:11,564 --> 00:39:14,100
a real solution that works and takes hold.

701
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:17,337
if we have applied more and more curfews and we're seeing more

702
00:39:17,337 --> 00:39:20,407
and more young people being detained by cops or running

703
00:39:20,407 --> 00:39:23,610
around on national tv by the national guard, that is not only

704
00:39:23,610 --> 00:39:25,946
an embarrassment to the district, it lets us know this

705
00:39:25,946 --> 00:39:30,483
policy is not working. I digress, I will not support

706
00:39:30,483 --> 00:39:33,190
this, but again, I stand ready to work with my colleagues to

707
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:36,856
come up with a solution that actually works.

708
00:39:36,856 --> 00:39:38,124
thanks. Thanks.

709
00:39:38,124 --> 00:39:40,524
you okay? Believe me.

710
00:40:00,547 --> 00:40:04,747
further on, the. The force has amended

711
00:40:05,906 --> 00:40:07,474
councilmember frumin. Thank you very much, mr.

712
00:40:07,474 --> 00:40:11,645
chairman. I joined in with many of my

713
00:40:11,645 --> 00:40:15,882
colleagues who are focused on addressing root causes and

714
00:40:15,882 --> 00:40:20,870
investment in our children. I think that is critically

715
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:22,322
important. I think we're doing better than

716
00:40:22,322 --> 00:40:24,424
we're giving ourselves credit for.

717
00:40:24,424 --> 00:40:28,929
I think that the city has invested significantly.

718
00:40:28,929 --> 00:40:32,598
we can do more, much more. But I don't think we should run

719
00:40:32,598 --> 00:40:36,903
it down as if we've not done anything in this space.

720
00:40:36,903 --> 00:40:42,776
I find this discussion. I feel like there are straw men

721
00:40:42,776 --> 00:40:46,780
that have been set up here about a curfew or not a curfew, and

722
00:40:46,780 --> 00:40:50,584
that the curfew that gets described is something that is

723
00:40:50,584 --> 00:40:54,855
more draconian than the thing that is on the table, honestly.

724
00:40:54,855 --> 00:40:59,526
and this idea that where there are groups of people who have

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00:40:59,526 --> 00:41:06,126
come together, large groups and have made clear that it's about

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00:41:06,533 --> 00:41:09,703
behaviors that are going to be negative, the idea that we

727
00:41:09,703 --> 00:41:12,272
wouldn't step in and say, no, you can't do that.

728
00:41:12,272 --> 00:41:15,809
you got to go someplace else. You can't be in that kind of a

729
00:41:15,809 --> 00:41:18,209
grouping. I think it.

730
00:41:18,945 --> 00:41:24,819
I don't understand why we would not empower ourselves to do

731
00:41:24,819 --> 00:41:28,419
that. I am struck by what

732
00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:32,926
councilmember crawford has come up with in terms of the

733
00:41:32,926 --> 00:41:37,931
refinements to this bill, and I think so impressive that three

734
00:41:37,931 --> 00:41:41,568
months in that you played this kind of a leadership role on

735
00:41:41,568 --> 00:41:43,503
this. I think the bill that we're

736
00:41:43,503 --> 00:41:48,709
going to vote on is much, much better than what we have seen

737
00:41:48,709 --> 00:41:54,114
before and goes to those radioactive spots and tries to

738
00:41:54,114 --> 00:41:57,183
get at it and improve it. And I think that that's

739
00:41:57,183 --> 00:42:01,888
important. But we also can't just sit on

740
00:42:01,888 --> 00:42:06,125
our hands when we have these kinds of gatherings that go

741
00:42:06,125 --> 00:42:11,131
south in the way that they have. And I also think while there

742
00:42:11,131 --> 00:42:14,268
have been bad episodes and I am deeply troubled by the things

743
00:42:14,268 --> 00:42:20,740
that we saw in the recent episodes, it's not the same as

744
00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:25,679
it was before the curfew. I mean, when the curfews got put

745
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:29,983
in place, the behaviors went down and there weren't arrests.

746
00:42:29,983 --> 00:42:32,986
I don't think we should pretend that that is not the case.

747
00:42:32,986 --> 00:42:37,240
when the curfew went away briefly, there was concern about

748
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:41,595
it flaring up. But it isn't that this has

749
00:42:41,595 --> 00:42:45,700
absolutely not worked. This has frankly worked pretty

750
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:48,235
well. And to the extent that we keep

751
00:42:48,235 --> 00:42:53,640
it surgical in the way that council member crawford has, has

752
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,477
moved this bill, it can be a positive tool.

753
00:42:57,477 --> 00:43:01,715
but going back to where I started, we can't for a minute

754
00:43:01,715 --> 00:43:03,750
think this is the end of what we do.

755
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:08,689
we need to be lifting up these kids, but we also need to be

756
00:43:08,689 --> 00:43:10,792
protecting our communities and our kids.

757
00:43:10,792 --> 00:43:14,992
so I will be supporting this bill.

758
00:43:47,293 --> 00:43:50,463
further, further on the bill, as amended.

759
00:43:50,463 --> 00:43:54,630
sure. To my community does midnight

760
00:43:54,366 --> 00:43:57,966
basketball. Let me just say that.

761
00:43:59,305 --> 00:44:03,505
I urge colleagues to vote for this.

762
00:44:03,777 --> 00:44:07,714
I would note that over the last number of months, there have

763
00:44:07,714 --> 00:44:13,190
been some members who have expressed concerns about the

764
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:17,991
curfew language and the committee in its markup made

765
00:44:17,991 --> 00:44:22,628
some changes. And then today we have accepted

766
00:44:22,628 --> 00:44:26,566
unanimously further changes so that the bill that's before us

767
00:44:26,566 --> 00:44:30,766
does reflect concerns that members have articulated.

768
00:44:31,905 --> 00:44:35,742
I think it's fair to say that the bill that is before us, as

769
00:44:35,742 --> 00:44:41,142
amended, is an improvement and has addressed done everything

770
00:44:43,950 --> 00:44:47,854
that we can think of to address concerns that have been raised

771
00:44:47,854 --> 00:44:53,760
by individual members. I want to note as well that many

772
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,731
years ago, I chaired our committee on the judiciary, and

773
00:44:57,731 --> 00:45:04,331
one of the concerns I had was juvenile violence, because when

774
00:45:05,405 --> 00:45:09,509
juveniles are committing criminal acts, I think that's

775
00:45:09,509 --> 00:45:13,880
actually sort of more terrifying to residents than adults.

776
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:19,953
that may not make sense, but I think it is more terrifying.

777
00:45:19,953 --> 00:45:24,124
and the issues that we dealt with, the issues that I dealt

778
00:45:24,124 --> 00:45:27,193
with were very different than what we're dealing with right

779
00:45:27,193 --> 00:45:29,620
now. Now, I'm not saying there aren't

780
00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:35,468
the same kinds of criminal acts by some juveniles that there

781
00:45:35,468 --> 00:45:39,872
aren't today, what there were before, but we're dealing with a

782
00:45:39,872 --> 00:45:43,610
phenomenon that didn't exist ten years ago or 15 years ago, and

783
00:45:43,610 --> 00:45:47,680
that's these large gatherings that seem to be fueled by social

784
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,510
media. And we're struggling as other

785
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:56,690
cities are struggling with. How do you address these large

786
00:45:56,690 --> 00:46:00,161
assemblies, assemblies, two kind of word gathering is two kind of

787
00:46:00,161 --> 00:46:03,296
word, two kind of a word. How do we address?

788
00:46:03,296 --> 00:46:04,931
yes, I'm hearing in my ear takeover.

789
00:46:04,931 --> 00:46:08,531
how do we address these takeovers?

790
00:46:08,568 --> 00:46:14,856
and I get it that we do not want to be criminalizing juvenile

791
00:46:14,856 --> 00:46:18,527
behavior, but we have to address these gaps, these large

792
00:46:18,527 --> 00:46:21,930
takeovers. And that's what this legislation

793
00:46:21,930 --> 00:46:25,533
is about, is addressing something that hasn't happened

794
00:46:25,533 --> 00:46:31,338
in the past, something that is very, very present and that

795
00:46:31,338 --> 00:46:34,343
we're seeing other jurisdictions struggling with.

796
00:46:34,343 --> 00:46:39,247
I'm thinking of national harbor last year, which I believe is

797
00:46:39,247 --> 00:46:42,183
private property and therefore was able to do what we can't do,

798
00:46:42,183 --> 00:46:47,689
which is to just simply ban. Individuals from the property.

799
00:46:47,689 --> 00:46:51,427
and we can't do that. So this is our own attempt.

800
00:46:51,427 --> 00:46:56,564
and as I said, what is before us now is different, maybe very

801
00:46:56,564 --> 00:47:00,602
different than what was before us when we first debated this

802
00:47:00,602 --> 00:47:07,942
last summer on a vote that I think was at the time, 8 to 4,

803
00:47:07,942 --> 00:47:10,246
maybe 9 to 4. No, because there were only 12

804
00:47:10,246 --> 00:47:14,282
members. And so I would urge that members

805
00:47:14,282 --> 00:47:17,850
support this bill, as amended. That's before us.

806
00:47:17,850 --> 00:47:21,285
if there's no further discussion, roll call.

807
00:47:23,124 --> 00:47:26,428
the secretary will call the roll.

808
00:47:26,428 --> 00:47:33,435
the vote is on this. The vote is on bill 20 6-461, as

809
00:47:33,435 --> 00:47:35,435
amended. Councilmember crawford.

810
00:47:37,772 --> 00:47:39,875
yes. Councilmember crawford votes

811
00:47:39,875 --> 00:47:41,976
yes. Councilmember felder yes.

812
00:47:41,976 --> 00:47:44,745
councilmember felder votes yes. Councilmember frumin.

813
00:47:44,745 --> 00:47:47,649
yes. Councilmember frumin votes yes.

814
00:47:47,649 --> 00:47:50,286
councilmember henderson yes. Councilmember henderson votes

815
00:47:50,286 --> 00:47:52,554
yes. Councilmember lewis george no.

816
00:47:52,554 --> 00:47:55,560
councilmember louis george votes no.

817
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:56,558
chairman mendelson. Yes.

818
00:47:56,558 --> 00:48:00,695
chairman mendelson votes yes. Councilmember nadeau no.

819
00:48:00,695 --> 00:48:04,599
councilmember nadeau votes no. Councilmember parker no.

820
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:08,536
councilmember parker votes no. Councilmember pinto yes.

821
00:48:08,536 --> 00:48:12,407
councilmember pinto votes yes. Councilmember robert white no.

822
00:48:12,407 --> 00:48:15,760
councilmember robert white votes no.

823
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:16,945
councilmember trayon white, sr. No.

824
00:48:16,945 --> 00:48:18,646
councilmember trayon white, sr. Votes no.

825
00:48:18,646 --> 00:48:22,283
councilmember allen yes. Councilmember allen votes yes

826
00:48:22,283 --> 00:48:24,683
and councilmember bombs. Yes.

827
00:48:24,819 --> 00:48:27,722
councilmember bonds votes yes. Mr. Chairman, there are eight

828
00:48:27,722 --> 00:48:33,122
yes's and five no's. The bill, as amended, is

829
00:48:34,195 --> 00:48:36,195
approved. First reading.

830
00:48:37,198 --> 00:48:40,235
we will turn. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to ask if

831
00:48:40,235 --> 00:48:43,539
we can take a five minute recess.

832
00:48:43,539 --> 00:48:46,608
if there's no objection, we'll take a five minute recess.

833
00:48:46,608 --> 00:48:50,208
the time is 352, let's say till 4:00.

834
01:22:14,224 --> 01:22:19,240
five minutes. I believe our five minutes are

835
01:22:46,456 --> 01:22:49,250
up. I'm not sure why everybody is

836
01:22:49,250 --> 01:22:52,250
laughing. So we are reconvened.

837
01:22:52,362 --> 01:22:57,330
we had a brief recess. Just to recap.

838
01:22:57,330 --> 01:23:00,771
we have voted on the one bill that was for first reading, and

839
01:23:00,771 --> 01:23:05,875
we are now turning to emergency legislation, which on the agenda

840
01:23:05,875 --> 01:23:10,113
as circulated, I'll note, was originally the consent agenda.

841
01:23:10,113 --> 01:23:14,384
we have as the next item, the juvenile curfew, sunset

842
01:23:14,384 --> 01:23:17,384
emergency declaration, resolution of 2020 6pr 26 586

843
01:23:20,726 --> 01:23:23,295
councilmember pinto. Thank you, mr. Chairman.

844
01:23:23,295 --> 01:23:28,901
I think at this point everyone is familiar with the juvenile

845
01:23:28,901 --> 01:23:32,438
curfew amendment act that this would extend the emergency,

846
01:23:32,438 --> 01:23:36,943
which is especially important because it's sunsetted on april

847
01:23:36,943 --> 01:23:40,145
15th. And we want to prevent a gap in

848
01:23:40,145 --> 01:23:41,881
the law. I thank my colleagues for

849
01:23:41,881 --> 01:23:44,951
passing the permanent version, but as that goes through a

850
01:23:44,951 --> 01:23:47,419
process, it's going to take a little bit of time to implement.

851
01:23:47,419 --> 01:23:50,523
and so we want to make sure that there's no gap.

852
01:23:50,523 --> 01:23:54,827
I also want to note the mayor did declare a public emergency

853
01:23:54,827 --> 01:23:59,999
last week, but that expires on may 1st, which is before our

854
01:23:59,999 --> 01:24:03,599
next legislative meeting. And cannot continue.

855
01:24:04,570 --> 01:24:07,940
another piece I will say is I'm moving an oral amendment to this

856
01:24:07,940 --> 01:24:10,976
bill, which is unrelated, but very important.

857
01:24:10,976 --> 01:24:15,181
this is to address a passed bill from the fall that was attached.

858
01:24:15,181 --> 01:24:19,418
so the oral amendment removes the sunset for the volunteer

859
01:24:19,418 --> 01:24:21,854
services act. As a reminder, the volunteer

860
01:24:21,854 --> 01:24:26,692
services act allows the office of attorney general to use

861
01:24:26,692 --> 01:24:31,492
volunteer legal services, which is especially important this

862
01:24:32,865 --> 01:24:36,736
year and in every year. And we want to ensure that that

863
01:24:36,736 --> 01:24:41,674
authority continues if we do not pass this oral amendment and act

864
01:24:41,674 --> 01:24:44,674
today, that authority will sunset.

865
01:24:45,511 --> 01:24:49,448
and the reason for being is it was tied to our temporary from

866
01:24:49,448 --> 01:24:52,284
the fall, which sunsetted on april 15th.

867
01:24:52,284 --> 01:24:56,122
and so I hope there's no objection to me making an oral

868
01:24:56,122 --> 01:24:59,592
technical amendment to remove the sunset entirely from the

869
01:24:59,592 --> 01:25:04,697
volunteer services act. Did I hear you say so?

870
01:25:04,697 --> 01:25:06,697
moved. So moved.

871
01:25:06,699 --> 01:25:12,772
we have the declaration before us, and I think I will speak

872
01:25:12,772 --> 01:25:16,709
next. So this is the state of play we

873
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:20,246
have on this agenda. The permanent bill, juvenile

874
01:25:20,246 --> 01:25:24,850
curfew amendment act, and we now have before us this emergency

875
01:25:24,850 --> 01:25:30,823
version of that, eight members voted for the permanent bill,

876
01:25:30,823 --> 01:25:35,795
first reading, as amended. As I noted earlier in

877
01:25:35,795 --> 01:25:39,665
discussion, a number of changes have been made to the curfew

878
01:25:39,665 --> 01:25:42,634
measure. So what we adopted last summer

879
01:25:42,634 --> 01:25:46,839
is not what is before us now. We've made what I think many

880
01:25:46,839 --> 01:25:51,510
members would characterize as improvements to deal with

881
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:55,614
concerns about whether all we're doing is just criminalizing

882
01:25:55,614 --> 01:26:00,920
youth, or whether we're actually trying to look at this more

883
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,758
holistically with different strategies, or recognizing that

884
01:26:04,758 --> 01:26:07,590
there need to be different strategies.

885
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:09,862
but I want to add what I also said, which is that we're

886
01:26:09,862 --> 01:26:13,432
dealing with something that is new and different, and it is

887
01:26:13,432 --> 01:26:17,670
these large gatherings, takeovers, I think was the way

888
01:26:17,670 --> 01:26:20,906
one colleague put it, that we haven't seen before.

889
01:26:20,906 --> 01:26:27,112
so we're struggling with finding new tools to deal with these

890
01:26:27,112 --> 01:26:32,512
gatherings or takeovers. I am concerned that as members,

891
01:26:38,900 --> 01:26:41,461
know, we are not alone in this discussion.

892
01:26:41,461 --> 01:26:45,131
and by that I mean there are folks who are not friends to the

893
01:26:45,131 --> 01:26:49,101
district who are looking very intently at what we are doing or

894
01:26:49,101 --> 01:26:53,539
what we are not doing, and I'm not interested in giving them

895
01:26:53,539 --> 01:26:57,109
any talking points or ammunition, which is a reason

896
01:26:57,109 --> 01:27:00,613
why I have tried to make clear to colleagues that this issue

897
01:27:00,613 --> 01:27:05,651
and this vote is important, because it's not just about how

898
01:27:05,651 --> 01:27:10,289
we deal with these gatherings, which is the paramount concern,

899
01:27:10,289 --> 01:27:16,289
but it's also whether we are self-inflicting some wounds on

900
01:27:16,629 --> 01:27:20,365
ourself, which we don't need, given all of the other fights

901
01:27:20,365 --> 01:27:26,739
that we are having with regard to the district and its ability

902
01:27:26,739 --> 01:27:31,711
to operate as we know best. I've been a little oblique, but

903
01:27:31,711 --> 01:27:33,780
I think people understand what I'm saying.

904
01:27:33,780 --> 01:27:39,180
so that is very concerning. And I would add as well that I'm

905
01:27:39,180 --> 01:27:44,824
not interested in wha I would call a twisted message, which is

906
01:27:44,824 --> 01:27:49,594
that we as a majority, the council is saying we want this

907
01:27:49,594 --> 01:27:51,430
curfew and there will be a second reading.

908
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:54,000
so there's opportunity for more improvements to it.

909
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:58,237
if members want that. And then struggling with this

910
01:27:58,237 --> 01:28:01,807
emergency and whether we go forward with the emergency.

911
01:28:01,807 --> 01:28:05,978
so having said all that, with 13 seconds left, I'm going to move

912
01:28:05,978 --> 01:28:10,778
to table this to the next legislative meeting.

913
01:28:12,785 --> 01:28:15,154
so there's a motion to table. I can't remember.

914
01:28:15,154 --> 01:28:19,954
is it debatable. It's debatable as to time.

915
01:28:21,260 --> 01:28:25,970
so the motion is to table to the next legislative meeting.

916
01:28:25,970 --> 01:28:27,933
I will call for a vote. Mr. Chairman, when is the next

917
01:28:27,933 --> 01:28:31,304
legislative meeting scheduled? The next legislative meeting is

918
01:28:31,304 --> 01:28:34,373
may 5th. I will tell you that somebody

919
01:28:34,373 --> 01:28:39,440
has suggested maybe even you suggested maybe it wasn't you.

920
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:42,214
somebody else suggested looking to see if we could have a

921
01:28:42,214 --> 01:28:44,983
meeting before then. That's not a commitment like

922
01:28:44,983 --> 01:28:47,520
next week. Could be.

923
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:52,257
I'm not trying to be glib. I'm just saying next legislative

924
01:28:52,257 --> 01:28:56,562
meeting, mr. Chairman. And as you know, I this issue, I

925
01:28:56,562 --> 01:29:00,650
feel this issue is very important, not just because of

926
01:29:00,650 --> 01:29:04,303
the issue of the juveniles, but the issue, maybe I should say

927
01:29:04,303 --> 01:29:08,107
youth, not just because of this issue of how we deal with these

928
01:29:08,107 --> 01:29:14,147
youth takeovers, but also. How this is looking to folks who

929
01:29:14,147 --> 01:29:19,547
are not our friends. Councilmember bonds as to the

930
01:29:19,818 --> 01:29:22,721
time. Yes, as to time.

931
01:29:22,721 --> 01:29:28,812
chairman, I'm wondering if the time if we need maybe an

932
01:29:28,812 --> 01:29:32,584
additional 15 minute recess today so that we can move

933
01:29:32,584 --> 01:29:35,886
forward. We continue to kick the can down

934
01:29:35,886 --> 01:29:40,257
the road and wondered if the time could be set 15 minutes

935
01:29:40,257 --> 01:29:43,994
from now. Point of clarity 15 minutes from

936
01:29:43,994 --> 01:29:48,298
now to do what? I'm looking okay, I can look at

937
01:29:48,298 --> 01:29:51,898
the clock. Why don't we say.

938
01:29:54,537 --> 01:29:57,537
4:48 p.m. Today? Councilmember essentially

939
01:29:59,477 --> 01:30:03,914
saying, can we recess? And we just had a five minute

940
01:30:03,914 --> 01:30:06,914
recess that lasted for 34 minutes.

941
01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:12,222
yeah. I, you know, sometimes I feel

942
01:30:12,222 --> 01:30:17,695
that, you know, we kick the can and the can doesn't move very

943
01:30:17,695 --> 01:30:22,900
far and we kick it again. And it may be a half of an inch.

944
01:30:22,900 --> 01:30:29,500
and we continue to put off what we cannot put off.

945
01:30:30,700 --> 01:30:35,713
this is our community. And if we have to be here till

946
01:30:35,713 --> 01:30:40,316
midnight, we do that sometimes with our hearings on subject

947
01:30:40,316 --> 01:30:43,316
matter. This is subject matter.

948
01:30:44,588 --> 01:30:51,729
so I think we should try to come to a consensus, because this is

949
01:30:51,729 --> 01:30:56,700
like the fourth time we've talked about this, and we could

950
01:30:56,700 --> 01:31:02,473
not reach conclusion by putting it off for days for us to go

951
01:31:02,473 --> 01:31:08,846
away and have dinner and have breakfast the next day, and meet

952
01:31:08,846 --> 01:31:11,115
and chat and do the things that we do.

953
01:31:11,115 --> 01:31:17,115
and I'm just suggesting if it's important to our community,

954
01:31:19,423 --> 01:31:24,128
let's treat it with the importance that it has.

955
01:31:24,128 --> 01:31:27,664
you said that we don't follow robert's rules of order.

956
01:31:27,664 --> 01:31:30,167
we follow something else, what they do in congress.

957
01:31:30,167 --> 01:31:36,106
well, in congress, they keep at it until they reach whatever

958
01:31:36,106 --> 01:31:38,909
that crescendo is. Mr. Chairman, point of order.

959
01:31:38,909 --> 01:31:43,180
this part of the motion is not debatable, mr. Chairman.

960
01:31:43,180 --> 01:31:43,914
all right. So.

961
01:31:43,914 --> 01:31:48,452
well, he gave me the floor. That is why I was debating it.

962
01:31:48,452 --> 01:31:51,454
so I'm going to ask councilmember, are you making a

963
01:31:51,454 --> 01:31:56,392
motion to recess for 15 minutes? I'm making a motion regarding

964
01:31:56,392 --> 01:31:58,280
the time. Yes.

965
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,564
well, no, you're making a motion to recess.

966
01:32:00,564 --> 01:32:05,300
let me be clear on this. So a motion to table to a time

967
01:32:05,300 --> 01:32:08,372
certain is debatable as to the time certain.

968
01:32:08,372 --> 01:32:11,842
a motion to reset. No, you're not a motion to

969
01:32:11,842 --> 01:32:15,779
recess does take precedence over a motion to table.

970
01:32:15,779 --> 01:32:20,751
so it would be an order. You want to give me a little

971
01:32:20,751 --> 01:32:23,751
more push on it. Okay.

972
01:32:23,887 --> 01:32:28,870
to recess. To recess for 20 minutes, which

973
01:32:29,226 --> 01:32:31,628
is debatable. And I hope nobody else debates

974
01:32:31,628 --> 01:32:34,264
this, but I will argue that we should not.

975
01:32:34,264 --> 01:32:37,301
we have. If you don't think there were

976
01:32:37,301 --> 01:32:40,571
discussions to try to work this out during the five minute

977
01:32:40,571 --> 01:32:43,741
recess, there were discussions so we could have another 20

978
01:32:43,741 --> 01:32:45,976
minute recess. And I can guarantee you that

979
01:32:45,976 --> 01:32:48,979
there will not be further progress today.

980
01:32:48,979 --> 01:32:53,249
so I would urge members not to vote or to recess for another 20

981
01:32:53,249 --> 01:32:55,352
minutes. The vote will be on the motion

982
01:32:55,352 --> 01:32:58,956
to recess. All those in favor, say aye.

983
01:32:58,956 --> 01:33:01,759
all those opposed say no, no, no, no.

984
01:33:01,759 --> 01:33:03,327
the nos have it. Cool.

985
01:33:03,327 --> 01:33:06,230
so we have the motion to mute my mic, man.

986
01:33:06,230 --> 01:33:09,660
somebody need my mic. That's crazy.

987
01:33:09,660 --> 01:33:11,801
motion to table to a time certain.

988
01:33:11,801 --> 01:33:13,338
which is to the next legislature chairman.

989
01:33:13,338 --> 01:33:14,838
I asked for roll call on last vote.

990
01:33:14,838 --> 01:33:17,208
it was ignored. Question is that it does not

991
01:33:17,208 --> 01:33:20,444
have to be the next legislative session.

992
01:33:20,444 --> 01:33:26,444
it could be within this session. Time is time, 24 hours.

993
01:33:26,483 --> 01:33:30,487
make that whole day. And that's what I'm trying to

994
01:33:30,487 --> 01:33:34,892
get to. Okay, so on the motion to table

995
01:33:34,892 --> 01:33:38,662
to the next legislative meeting, mr. Chairman.

996
01:33:38,662 --> 01:33:42,266
yes, I just wanted to speak to your motion.

997
01:33:42,266 --> 01:33:44,968
I don't support tabling this discussion.

998
01:33:44,968 --> 01:33:47,304
I think that it's very important.

999
01:33:47,304 --> 01:33:50,700
we want to make sure that we keep our young folks safe.

1000
01:33:50,700 --> 01:33:53,643
and I think by voting today shows our seriousness as a

1001
01:33:53,643 --> 01:33:57,781
council. And I will urge my colleagues to

1002
01:33:57,781 --> 01:34:01,718
not support the table but move forward today.

1003
01:34:01,718 --> 01:34:06,323
oh, the discussion that's in order is as to when the date

1004
01:34:06,323 --> 01:34:09,159
certain, which is the next legislative meeting.

1005
01:34:09,159 --> 01:34:12,629
so the vote is on the roll call. Chairman.

1006
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:15,532
madam secretary, call the roll. The vote is on the motion to

1007
01:34:15,532 --> 01:34:17,634
table to the next legislative meeting.

1008
01:34:17,634 --> 01:34:22,434
council member felder no. Councilmember felder votes, no.

1009
01:34:22,572 --> 01:34:24,408
councilmember frumin. Yes.

1010
01:34:24,408 --> 01:34:27,844
councilmember frumin votes yes. Councilmember henderson no.

1011
01:34:27,844 --> 01:34:29,546
councilmember henderson votes no.

1012
01:34:29,546 --> 01:34:31,381
councilmember lewis george. Yes.

1013
01:34:31,381 --> 01:34:33,850
councilmember lewis george votes yes.

1014
01:34:33,850 --> 01:34:36,687
chairman mendelson yes. Chairman mendelson votes yes.

1015
01:34:36,687 --> 01:34:40,887
councilmember nadeau no. Councilmember nadeau votes no.

1016
01:34:40,924 --> 01:34:44,861
councilmember parker yes. Councilmember parker votes yes.

1017
01:34:44,861 --> 01:34:48,498
councilmember pinto no. Councilmember pinto votes no.

1018
01:34:48,498 --> 01:34:52,770
councilmember robert white yes. Councilmember robert white votes

1019
01:34:52,770 --> 01:34:55,390
yes. Councilmember trayon white, sr.

1020
01:34:55,390 --> 01:34:56,572
no. Councilmember trayon white, sr.

1021
01:34:56,572 --> 01:34:59,409
votes no. Councilmember allen yes.

1022
01:34:59,409 --> 01:35:02,546
councilmember allen votes yes. Councilmember bonds no.

1023
01:35:02,546 --> 01:35:06,746
councilmember bonds votes no. Councilmember crawford yes.

1024
01:35:06,783 --> 01:35:08,585
councilmember crawford votes yes.

1025
01:35:08,585 --> 01:35:11,855
mr. Chairman, there are seven yeses and six nos.

1026
01:35:11,855 --> 01:35:16,661
the motion to table passes that's going to conclude the

1027
01:35:16,661 --> 01:35:19,661
business for this legislative meeting.

1028
01:35:19,929 --> 01:35:25,929
the time is 4:39 p.m., and this meeting is adjourned.