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Chairperson mendelson: I'm calling to order this meeting,

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regular meeting of the council of the district of columbia, our

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33rd meeting of council period 2 6, and our regular council

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meeting for the month of july. I like pointing that out because

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today is june 30. The time is 12:29 in the

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afternoon -- excuse me, 1:29 in the afternoon and we are in room

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500 of the council buildings. I'm chair mendelson, chair of

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the council. We always begin our legislative

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meetings with a moment of silence and a moment for

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reflection, if we could have silence in the chamber and on

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the dais. Madam secretary would you please

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call the roll? Councilmember allen: here.

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juanita mary tillman white present.

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ddot here. A. Litteri inc. Present.

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diane k. Triplett alexander here.

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dmoi here. Personal delivery device weight

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limit present. P.a.v.e. Presence.

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>> you have a quorum. Chairperson mendelson: we have

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the secretary's report of filings and I will recognize the

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chair. >> I move a motion to waive the

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reading of the committee reports.

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chairperson mendelson: motion to raise the reports of committee

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filings. All those in favor of the motion

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say aye. Any opposed?

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hearing on the ayes have it unanimously.

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we also have the introduction and referrals.

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I will recognize the chair pro tem anita bonds.

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councilmember bonds: I move a motion to waive the introduction

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and referrals of proposed legislation report.

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chairperson mendelson: motion to waive the reading of the

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secretary's report discussion. On the motion to waive all those

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in favor say aye. Any opposed?

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the ayes have it unanimously. We have the consent agenda, one

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change to the committee of the whole on page three at the very

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top of the page item c, first reading bill 26-422, glazier

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licensing standards and certification act of 2026 remove

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from the consent agenda. Any other changes to the consent

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agenda? Hearing on we have the consent

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agenda as amended before us. All those in favor say aye.

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any opposed? Hearing on the ayes have it

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unanimously. We will turn to bill 26-422.

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glazier licensing standards and certification act of 2026.

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councilmember nadeau. Councilmember nadeau: so moved,

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mr. Chairman. Chairperson mendelson: any

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discussion? Councilmember henderson: I ask

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this be moved from consent because I wanted the ability to

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speak to it. I had questions during the

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committee of the whole. I'm not opposed to licensure in

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general I just moved several nominations for the board of

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pharmacy where those individuals are licensed.

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I wanted to raise concerns on the record in that glaziers is

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not a profession or field commonly licensed in the same

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way that electricians, plumbers, etc. Are.

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it would require perhaps an examination, certain number of

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hours in terms of apprenticeship, etc.

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but I wanted to highlight a concern we should be aware of,

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even in the committee reported outlines there are about 240

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glaziers in our region and only 60 are currently certified.

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in this very interesting economic space the district

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finds itself in, I think we should be concerned when we are

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making decisions that put us as an outlier especially from our

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regional partners, especially in the development space.

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what I would want us to avoid is a situation were now we have

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developers who moved to build in the district and we say great,

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here's the list of 20 people who are licensed, these are the only

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ones that can do your glazing work, which is not a requirement

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maryland and virginia would also have.

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it does seem as though this will move forward so I want to

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express that my hope is, that when the board of trade goes

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through this process, once it is funded and moves forward is that

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there is a grandfathering provision and process that

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doesn't lock people out of this profession who have been doing

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it for decades without licensure to be able to go forward but

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also considering too other mechanisms which do not

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unnecessarily lock people out of the trade like what is the

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amount, the feed to be licensed in the district?

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is it an annual certification versus something you have to be

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certified every two to three years, etc.

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there are often good reasons to be pioneers but I feel in some

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cases with occupational licensing, we can sometimes

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overdo it in terms of requiring licensure and hoops for folks to

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jump through, that are necessarily make it much more

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difficult for someone to enter the trade or profession over

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long term. I wanted to state that on the

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record. Thank you, mr. Chairman.

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chairperson mendelson: thank you.

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is there further discussion on the bill?

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councilmember lewis george: councilmember frumin's hand was

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up as well. I introduce the laser licensing

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standards and certification act because glaziers do highly

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skilled glass and metal work better next the safety, energy

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efficiency and long-term performance of buildings across

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the district. This is work that is especially

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important as the district strengthens climate resiliency

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as we experience more and more 100 degree days in the future.

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glaziers maintain the glass and metal systems that shape our

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buildings. There works affect how it

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withstands the weather and how safe it is for the public.

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when performed correctly by skilled workers it helps the

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district meet climate readiness goals and efficiency goals.

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when it is not, dangerous incidents can occur such as the

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accident at the nuclear commission building in rockville

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where a three by 15 foot acrylic panel fell from the 21st floor.

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had anyone been on the ground at that time they would've been

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gravely injured or killed. Unlike electricians, plumbers

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and hvac technicians, glaziers in the district are not

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currently required to be licensed.

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this bill creates a licensee framework for glazing

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contractors bringing this more in line with other construction

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professions were the district already requires standards,

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oversight and accountability. Not all glass installation work

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will require glazier work. Contractors seek out glaziers

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for high-rise work and other highly technical or complex

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installations because they know it is highly trained area this

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will help them identify tradespeople with the skills and

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expertise needed to perform this work.

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I want to thank councilmember nadeau for the worker committee

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made to improving the bill to make sure there are more I will

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-- ways to licensure. Allowing the board of industrial

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trades to consider and examine apprenticeship, comparable

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experience or combination of education experience keeps this

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bill intact while making it more flexible and workable.

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I strongly support this bill and urge my colleagues to vote yes.

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thank you. Chairperson mendelson: thank

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you. Councilmember frumin: thank you,

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councilmembers. I fully support this bill.

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I'm curious about the mechanics of how the timing will work.

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councilmember henderson's concerns resonate with me.

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is it funded in the fy27 budget? Has it been refunded or will it

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have to be funded in the fy28 budget, meaning there is a long

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runway? Councilmember nadeau: it hasn't

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been funded. Councilmember frumin: and

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councilmember lewis george, the license might be based on prior

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experience or apprenticeship? There could be a vehicle, the

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180 people who do not have a certification, but who have been

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doing the work, one would hate to see them unnecessarily

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blocked out. But there are mechanisms to deal

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with that issue. Can you speak to what those

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mechanisms are? Councilmember nadeau: the print

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aloud's the board of industrial trades to grandfather existing

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practitioners by taking their professional experience into

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account when considering licensing requirements.

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councilmember frumin: wonderful, thank you.

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chairperson mendelson: are there further discussions?

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councilmember henderson: I have additional questions.

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I don't know if this is a question for councilmember

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nadeau, but with regard to subject to appropriations, what

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I've seen happen in the health field on we are adding a new

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profession and we give the board a responsibility to develop the

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scope of work then we tell them, hey, you also need to add a new

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person to the board, often times boards will say, we are going to

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wait until the mayor's team sends us a nomination for these

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new people before we even consider the process for this

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new profession because we want them to be part of the

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conversation. I'm curious whether or not

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perhaps on second reading you could do a bifurcated subject of

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appropriation such that the new members to the board of trade

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can be added -- I could definitely see this, we asked

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this today and the new regulations do not get out for

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three to four years if we don't put the members of the board on

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earlier than the other piece. Does that make sense?

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councilmember nadeau: yes, although it is a now not a then

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problem in the sense the author of the bill will be there.

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councilmember henderson: great. Councilmember nadeau: we could

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do that at the second reading. I don't know that we need to.

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I definitely get the concern because we have all lived it for

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the past 12 years but that time is coming to an end.

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chairperson mendelson: councilmember bonds.

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councilmember bonds: think you very much chairman.

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I want to thank councilwoman nadeau for this bill.

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in particular, I'm almost always speaking out as it relates to

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opportunities for d.c. Workers and again, that is what I'm

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about to say. But I think this issue is about

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safety and I think we have to be really concerned about that.

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we have a number of large projects that we are going to

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wrestle with and I want to make sure that whatever products we

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produce, that they are safely done.

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when we think about metal and glass, and we have what we call

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these glass and chrome structures already in the city,

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and we want to make sure as we move forward that the

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individuals not only are trained but also can go through a

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certification process, I'm very happy to support this bill

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today. Chairperson mendelson: if there

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was no further discussion the vote will be on bill 26-422.

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all those in favor of the bill say aye.

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any opposed? >> [indiscernible]

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chairperson mendelson: the aye have it unanimously.

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councilmember white will be recorded as presence.

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the bill is approved. I will turn to the nonconsent

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agenda. My understanding is the

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amendment hasn't circulated yet on bill 26-224.

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if there was no objection I will call that a little later in this

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meeting. We will deal first with bill

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26-494, accountancy practice amendment act of 2025.

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councilmember nadeau. Councilmember nadeau: yes, ok.

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earlier today at the committee of the whole I discuss the

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benefits of the accountancy practice act which passed out of

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committee with no substantive changes for what the mayor

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introduced. Now I would like to move an

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amendment and the nature of a substitute which still leaves

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those accounting licensure pieces intact but adds two new

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components germane to the underlying bill in that they

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deal with business licensing matters the department of

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licensing and public protection regulates.

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my staff circulated this amendment on friday the 26th at

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4:42 p.m. And we recirculated it yesterday with a minor change to

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the notice but not the amendment itself.

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first the ans would incorporate technically pro-business

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administrative updates to provisions recently amended.

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one of business and entrepreneur ship was funded.

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the department of licensing and consumer protection recommended

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these changes in the form of emergency and temporary

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legislation which we already passed unanimously last year.

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maybe the most noteworthy provision in the current

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temporarily -- temporary bill was amendments to propose

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entertainment establishments paired under the final version

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neighbors could file an objection and a formal hearing

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followed by decision from the mayor appeared the problem is

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dlcp is not an agency that conducts hearings so we have

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never allowed this version of the act to take effect and said

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the mayor proposed letting anc's evaluate objections and submit

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them which would be [indiscernible]

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ultimately the buck stops with the mayor either way but this

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leverages representatives to help the executive weigh the

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pros and cons. The current temporary law in

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this ans allows some types of businesses to continue receiving

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licenses and let them renew licenses that expired more than

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nine months in exchange for a fine rather than starting the

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process over the vast majority of the provisions the

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councilmember pinto introduced in 2021 and approved in 2022

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would be left alone. There is one provision that did

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not come from dlcp, it has to do with towing companies.

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we require some courtesy and repair towing companies to

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identify an impound lot when impounding is never part of

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their business model and my ans would fix that.

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without a movie amendment, substitute to 26-494 and urge

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colleagues to support it. Thank you.

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chairperson mendelson: you moved the amendment nature of the

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substitute, correct? Councilmember nadeau: yes.

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chairperson mendelson: is there discussion on the amendment?

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the vote will be on the amendment nature of the tubs to

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peer at all those in favor say aye.

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are there any opposed? The ayes have it unanimously.

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now we have the bill as amended. Is there discussion on the bill?

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the vote is on bill 26-494 as amended.

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all those of -- in favor say aye .

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any opposed? Hearing none the ayes have it

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, unanimously. We will turn to bill 26-430,

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education code adjustments amendments act of 2026.

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this is final reading. I circulated an amendment nature

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of the substitute. We talked about this briefly at

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breakfast. There are number of changes

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throughout the engrossed version but there are also seven

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sections that are newly added since this was brought up at the

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breakfast. I will go over what they are

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briefly. I don't think any of this is

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controversial so section 4, lead exposure prevention, a new

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section that aligns statutory language with other agencies and

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eases administrative burden by making an annual report biannual

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. Section six childcare bureau

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,ans, repeals the childcare bureau which no longer exists.

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it was expected to provide the district government with a

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single administrative focused on childcare and has since been

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subsumed within the division of early learning within osse.

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section 17, green and sustainable schools, in early

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2026 the u.s. Department of education paused its green

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ribbon schools program, revise the language in the healthy

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schools act to reflect that change and provide osse a means

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to recognize school achievements and green initiatives.

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moreover the lang which requires the environment -- language

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provides a stipend and requires schools to participate because

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funding has not been appropriated it has never been

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appropriated for these. Section 21, new osse nonpublic

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basement one time report. Ans removes the one-time

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reporting requirement to review the process of appealing osse's

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decision to deny, revoke or approve for chilled -- students

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with disabilities. And issuing subpoenas, this

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grants osse authority to issue ministries of subpoenas to

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conduct enrollment and residency investigations.

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it is limited to enrollment. Osse through its office of

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enrollment registration is responsible for investigating

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enrollment and residency matters but cannot compel production of

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records during the investigative stage.

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often delaying access to credible -- prickle

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documentation. Section 22 course data

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collection, osse has oversight responsibilities including

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school performance, students with disabilities, state

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academic standards. However osse cannot compel lea's

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to share information about courses offered or taught.

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this provision requires them to submit course offerings and

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curriculum to osse upon request. Section 27, coronavirus

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immunization regulations. Ans repeals the requirement osse

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-- for license job developments staff.

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the council repealed the requirement for students to be

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immunized does not repealed the requirement that osse issue

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these regulations. Those are the new provisions in

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the amendment, nature of the substitute.

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I move the amendment, is there discussion?

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>> mr. Chairman. Chairperson mendelson:

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councilmember parker. Councilmember parker: I agree,

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much of what you conclude is not controversial but we did have a

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conversation at the breakfast that I think is worth having on

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the public record and that is simply to propose, not today but

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in the near future granting osse the authority as our state

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education authority or agency rather to be able to compel

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information for alllea's. We are piecemealing and in

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recent years have given osse authority over limited areas.

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in this instance we are printing osse to request course data and

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that may seem innocuous enough but it strikes me as odd that we

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would not more fully empower our state education agency to work

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with lea's. It is something I hope to work

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with you perhaps this year or the near future not to undermine

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lea autonomy and specifically this is of interest with our

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charters. To empower osse to step into

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that role as a state education agency.

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there are areas like financial records, health records.

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we heard from the mpd chief previously there are certain

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background and criminal records they have struggled to get from

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some of our lea's. It seems odd we would not be

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moving toward a more empowered state education agency.

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I support what we are doing today but hopefully we can work

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together in the near future. Thank you.

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chairperson mendelson: I think I will leave it rather than

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responding and getting into it. Further discussion?

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we have the amendment, nature of the substitute before us.

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all those in favor say aye. Any opposed?

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the ayes have it unanimously. We have the bill as amended.

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is there further discussion? The vote is on bill 26-430 as

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amended it all those in favor say aye.

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any opposed? Hearing none the ayes have it

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unanimously. Before we go to emergency

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legislation, let's go back. That is how we move forward, we

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go backwards, to item one on the nonconsent agenda which is the

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resale act, bill 26-224, restricting agree just

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--egregious scalping. Councilmember nadeau: thank you,

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chairman. I have already spoken to the

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bill today so for the purposes of the legislative meeting I

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will say so moved. Chairperson mendelson: thank you

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paired we have the bill before us.

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I suspect I should recognize either councilmember allen or--

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councilmember allen: I'm happy to go first.

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I want to start off by thinking my colleague councilmember

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nadeau and the team for moving this forward and the committee

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on public works and operations. Committee print has some of the

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strongest protections for concertgoers in the district.

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the practice of selling speculative ticketed -- tickets,

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tickets you don't even have because they have not gone on

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sale yet, is prohibited. If you're in the practice of

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scooping up tickets at the box office, please do not, you have

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to obtain a 25,000 surety bond making sure concertgoers have

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recourse for tickets that are fake or not delivered.

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and the print requirement if you're going to list a ticket

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for resale you have to disclose the original price you got it

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for. Transparency is a great thing.

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I introduce this bill to solve a problem that is made ticket

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buying an experience that is inexpensive nightmare.

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middlemen use bots and technology to scoop up large

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swallows of tickets forcing you into the secondary market were

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tickets will be up to 50 times higher than the original box

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office price. When you get into a digital

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queue, you're beaten to the purchase by a robot, not fellow

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music fans per even chose not likely to sell out, if you

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search for tickets most of the results are from secondhand

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sellers, not the box office or this causes problems.

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this is a numbers game where the resellers by as many tickets as

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they can, mark them up and even if they only sell five at $1000

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they have made a tidy profit. The rest of the tickets may even

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go unused. If you have a situation where

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people are priced out of tickets to a show, there are empty

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seats. Second, you spend $1000 on a

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ticket to see your favorite band, that is where your

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spending goes. You are less likely to go to

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other shows or go out to dinner before or after ,buy merch.

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third, it makes our live music and theater a luxury good, just

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one more thing being commodified.

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music and culture is for all of us.

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a thriving arts scene is essential to a thriving city.

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artists want all to attend. The secondhand market turned it

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on its head. It is not a hypothetical issue.

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anthem's box office talked about how regularly fans showed up

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with fake tickets. Hamilton said it was advertised

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vip sections that don't exist. Bots are cannibalizing ticket

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sales and they are losing tens of thousands of dollars to run

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operations. Artist have said the price cap

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makes the district a more attractive place to book a show

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because they are tired of their fans getting ripped off and we

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should be, too. The topic of how tickets prices

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are set and manipulated is complex.

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a ton of money is made by scalpers who understand coding

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and ai, who do not live here or offer value or the risk of

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putting on a show. If you put a cap on the profit

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you change the math for them. Council member henderson and I

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will have an amendment to protect folks that want to go to

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a show, protect venues from predatory practices and maintain

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strongest protections that came out of the committee.

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three main areas, it restores the 10% price cap on reselling

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tickets to provide immediate relief to concert and

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theatergoers. Second, it narrows and clarifies

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rulemaking to focus on predatory platform fees that drive costs

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up and third it adds further protections against platforms

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that use personal identifying information and surveillance

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based pricing to discriminate because different people,

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different costs and values depending on the data.

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I want to thank councilmembers nadeau and henderson in their

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teens for working with us on this amendment.

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I ask my colleagues for support and I move the amendment and

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hope to hear from councilmember henderson as well.

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chairperson mendelson: thank you.

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councilmember henderson: thank you.

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I originally signed onto the resale act when it was

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introduced because I believe the leader -- the district, is a

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leader in superior entertainment experiences and move -- music

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culture. I want our venues to thrive in

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entertainers to choose the district, and fans to be able to

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attend and enjoy all our venues without the unnecessary

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heartbreak that comes from when tickets don't work out on the

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secondary and resale market. I come at this not just from the

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perspective as a lawmaker but a genuine fan.

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there are countless stories of individuals who, they bought

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tickets from a reese taylor, arrived -- resaler, arrived at

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the venue excited, only for the ticket not to be eligible to be

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scanned and the venue to tell them, so sorry, you bought a

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fraudulent ticket and will not be able to atten today's

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events. There are lots of other things

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as well in this bill that have not been covered which is around

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the all end pricing. Nothing more frustrating when

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you're in line on ticketmaster and have an idea of what the

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ticket is supposed to cost, only to beat out the bots to get

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there and you hit check out, and you notice because of taxes and

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fees and other things, pricing that was not upfront available

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to you, you have now been priced out of the ability to even

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afford the ticket. This legislation does not solve

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all things. I repeat, this legislation does

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not solve all things. It is dealing with the secondary

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market. There are definitely issues with

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the primary market that this bill does not touch, but I feel

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like overtime we are able to have more conversations about

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that such as dynamic pricing and other things.

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I think the amendment before us today strikes the right balance.

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it moves and some of the complicating factors around

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primary that was included in the original committee print, and

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also just some other things. One other piece I want to

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mention that is a great thing about the resale act overall is

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about the issue of speculative tickets.

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this has come up a lot in sort of the sports context lately

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around world cup where we are seeing lots of people who bought

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tickets they bought flights,, they bought hotels, they did all

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of these things only to arrive and the seller not actually have

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the ticket available to them. We see this happening often,

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even in the concert space of sellers offering for sale

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tickets that are actually not available on the market and then

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they are not able to deliver on those as well.

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my support for this is about protecting our venues and the

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fan experience at the end of the day so I hope colleagues can

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support this amendment and the overall legislation going

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forward. Thank you.

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chairperson mendelson: so would one of you explain in a little

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bit more detail what this amendment does?

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councilmember allen: sure. We can do rock, paper, scissors

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for it. I can briefly go through that.

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first, it restores the price cap, which was initially in the

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introduced version of the bill. What this does is put a 10% cap

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on the resale of the ticket. Chairperson mendelson: secondary

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market. Councilmember allen: secondary

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market, that is number one. Chairperson mendelson: if I may

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interrupt, to clarify, there could be additional fees.

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we discussed this at breakfast. Do you want to explain that?

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councilmember allen: sure. The bill sets a price cap at the

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total cost of the initial ticket plus up to 10%.

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it also permits a secondary ticket exchange to charge a fee

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for the service of providing a marketplace for the resale of

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the ticket provided the fee does not exceed 10% of the price of

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the initial ticket. Chairperson mendelson: keep

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going. Yes.

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councilmember allen: councilmember henderson talked

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about this, changes the amendment makes related to the

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print version around the authority of the mayor to issue

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rules related to fees. It narrows and clarifies that to

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focus on the platform fees, not the venue fees.

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so it is specific to the platform fees.

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chairperson mendelson: and that is meant to address concern that

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some venues raised they are affected by -- they are worried

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they would be affected by the broader mayoral rulemaking

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authority. Councilmember allen: correct.

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in addition, in terms of what the committee had put forward in

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terms of creating a regulatory regime around this, it allows

487
00:33:16,324 --> 00:33:19,193
the mayor after a year to be able to come back and take a

488
00:33:19,193 --> 00:33:22,596
look at that price cap. So we will evaluate, is it

489
00:33:22,596 --> 00:33:25,467
working the way we wanted? Does it need to be adjusted in

490
00:33:25,467 --> 00:33:27,870
some way? That is the changes as it

491
00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:31,470
relates to the mayor's authority there.

492
00:33:31,806 --> 00:33:35,676
and then it also focuses on prohibiting surveillance based

493
00:33:35,676 --> 00:33:39,413
price discrimination. And so this is if all of us

494
00:33:39,413 --> 00:33:41,750
wanted to go see a show right now and everybody login on the

495
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:47,490
same platform, is quite possible we will all get slightly

496
00:33:47,490 --> 00:33:49,758
different prices based on that because there is a lot of data

497
00:33:49,758 --> 00:33:52,260
mining, information that figures out who I am compared to you,

498
00:33:52,260 --> 00:33:57,633
and the price reflects that. That is discrimination in price.

499
00:33:57,633 --> 00:34:00,340
so it prohibits debt, which I think is a smart protection for

500
00:34:00,340 --> 00:34:02,237
our primary marketplace as well. Chairperson mendelson: that is

501
00:34:02,237 --> 00:34:07,370
both primary and secondary. Chairman alan -- councilmember

502
00:34:07,142 --> 00:34:11,942
allen: yes but on the primary space more.

503
00:34:12,882 --> 00:34:19,188
in a the applicable and because because there is linkage with

504
00:34:19,188 --> 00:34:20,790
the clause. Chairperson mendelson:

505
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:24,390
councilmember nadeau. Councilmember nadeau: thank you,

506
00:34:25,727 --> 00:34:29,640
I appreciate that, mr. Chairman. As I mentioned in the committee

507
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,401
of the whole, I am proud of the work we did in committee to

508
00:34:32,401 --> 00:34:36,473
evaluate this bill and strengthen it to advance

509
00:34:36,473 --> 00:34:41,677
consumer protection. We would add a new provision to

510
00:34:41,677 --> 00:34:44,614
address high costs in the primary and secondary markets

511
00:34:44,614 --> 00:34:48,350
including but not limited to the authority to resale prices, cap

512
00:34:48,350 --> 00:34:53,150
ticket sales fees, and regulate f predatory pricing.

513
00:34:54,823 --> 00:34:58,894
late last week, I heard feedback the rulemaking

514
00:34:58,894 --> 00:35:06,940
provision and I had come in today expecting we would work on

515
00:35:06,235 --> 00:35:09,710
that between first and second reading.

516
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:15,671
what I came to understand this morning from colleagues was that

517
00:35:15,978 --> 00:35:21,978
there was interest in a more broad set of tweaks.

518
00:35:23,953 --> 00:35:29,192
so, although I have reservations with instituting an immediate

519
00:35:29,192 --> 00:35:33,162
secondary market cap without a similar ability to address the

520
00:35:33,162 --> 00:35:37,466
skyrocketing primary prices in response, I do appreciate that

521
00:35:37,466 --> 00:35:41,203
this amendment preserves flexibility in the price cap

522
00:35:41,203 --> 00:35:43,939
itself so the district can be more responsive to address a

523
00:35:43,939 --> 00:35:48,278
rapidly evolving market. I am also glad we can address

524
00:35:48,278 --> 00:35:50,312
surveillance pricing in this amendment.

525
00:35:50,312 --> 00:35:53,783
I do still hold concerns this does not provide the ability to

526
00:35:53,783 --> 00:35:57,983
tackle other dynamic pricing strategies, but surveillance

527
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,356
pricing that discriminate against individuals is clearly

528
00:36:00,356 --> 00:36:05,627
the most egregious, to borrow a word from the bill title.

529
00:36:05,627 --> 00:36:08,430
despite my reservations, the other aspect of the amendment my

530
00:36:08,430 --> 00:36:10,365
colleagues described will I believe make a positive

531
00:36:10,365 --> 00:36:14,170
difference for consumers and the amount of material we agree on

532
00:36:14,170 --> 00:36:16,440
is much greater than what we disagree on so I will be

533
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,307
supporting the amendment. Thank you, chairman.

534
00:36:18,307 --> 00:36:20,707
chairperson mendelson: thank you.

535
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:24,447
councilmember trayon white. Councilmember white: thank you,

536
00:36:24,447 --> 00:36:27,916
chairman. I have a question to get

537
00:36:27,916 --> 00:36:30,919
something ready. I no one of the reasons was to

538
00:36:30,919 --> 00:36:36,919
address the issue of price gouging, especially in the bo

539
00:36:37,126 --> 00:36:40,128
markett where people are buying tickets and telling them for

540
00:36:40,128 --> 00:36:43,532
higher prices. From these amendments we got

541
00:36:43,532 --> 00:36:47,937
just now, how does it affect those who have tickets that are

542
00:36:47,937 --> 00:36:49,138
reselling their personal tickets?

543
00:36:49,138 --> 00:36:54,810
does it apply to all or just businesses or investors who are

544
00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:58,410
doing this? Chairperson mendelson: who do

545
00:37:00,682 --> 00:37:03,552
you want to answer that question?

546
00:37:03,552 --> 00:37:04,554
councilmember white: whoever has the ability to answer.

547
00:37:04,554 --> 00:37:06,954
chairperson mendelson: councilmember nadeau?

548
00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:12,361
councilmember nadeau: we address that in the print itself by

549
00:37:12,361 --> 00:37:15,961
including provisions that councilmember allen introduced

550
00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:18,340
in the underlying bill. Councilmember white: I am still

551
00:37:18,340 --> 00:37:22,834
not clear. Is it for everybody or just

552
00:37:24,775 --> 00:37:29,377
large investors or businesses? Councilmember nadeau: so the

553
00:37:29,377 --> 00:37:34,251
practice you are describing is called -- sorry, the word is

554
00:37:34,251 --> 00:37:37,720
escaping me. It has been a long day.

555
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:41,858
the speculative purchasing where someone buys up a bunch of

556
00:37:41,858 --> 00:37:46,658
tickets and then resells them. Councilmember white: yeah.

557
00:37:48,970 --> 00:37:51,468
there is a difference between somebody buying 1000 tickets or

558
00:37:51,468 --> 00:37:54,270
one or two tickets and reselling them.

559
00:37:54,270 --> 00:37:56,872
I am trying to figure out the bill differentiation.

560
00:37:56,872 --> 00:38:02,272
is this broad for everybody? I think charles --

561
00:38:02,678 --> 00:38:08,780
councilmember and nad nadeau: y. My brain fizzled out.

562
00:38:11,487 --> 00:38:15,958
>> I am going to sell my tickets to you.

563
00:38:15,958 --> 00:38:18,861
we are able to have that personal exchange.

564
00:38:18,861 --> 00:38:21,363
the price cap still applies. I cannot gouge you either for

565
00:38:21,363 --> 00:38:25,167
that ticket. The biggest change you will see

566
00:38:25,167 --> 00:38:29,305
is scalping used to be, you know, somebody stood outside a

567
00:38:29,305 --> 00:38:34,760
venue with two, four tickets trying to sell them.

568
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,278
that is not how scalping works anymore.

569
00:38:36,278 --> 00:38:40,482
what you see is these massive platforms have been built.

570
00:38:40,482 --> 00:38:43,886
if you and I cannot go to the show anymore, I just want to

571
00:38:43,886 --> 00:38:47,256
sell you my tickets, I don't have to register with dlcp or do

572
00:38:47,256 --> 00:38:52,127
any of that type of stuff. If I am a business is getting

573
00:38:52,127 --> 00:38:53,396
hundreds and hundreds of tickets and this is my business and I

574
00:38:53,396 --> 00:38:59,534
have to be registered with dlcp and have to carry my

575
00:38:59,534 --> 00:39:01,337
maturity bond, I have to make sure I am good on that.

576
00:39:01,337 --> 00:39:07,476
the price cap is across the board but if I am buying a

577
00:39:07,476 --> 00:39:09,145
bunch of tickets and reselling them come I would have to

578
00:39:09,145 --> 00:39:12,347
register but it would not affect my ability to sell my two to

579
00:39:12,347 --> 00:39:14,516
you. Councilmember white: got it.

580
00:39:14,516 --> 00:39:19,556
what would trigger for them to report they are a business or

581
00:39:19,556 --> 00:39:23,692
they purchased both tickets? Some purchase small amounts of

582
00:39:23,692 --> 00:39:28,363
tickets and do the same thing. Councilmember allen: you have to

583
00:39:28,363 --> 00:39:30,532
sell and this more than 50 tickets per year.

584
00:39:30,532 --> 00:39:33,702
I have a show or a game I cannot go to and I sell them to you and

585
00:39:33,702 --> 00:39:38,390
maybe next week I sell them to fill, that will not be 50 so I

586
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:41,643
don't have to register anything. But if I am more than 50, is a

587
00:39:41,643 --> 00:39:43,913
business. Councilmember white: got you.

588
00:39:43,913 --> 00:39:45,246
thank you. Councilmember allen: thanks.

589
00:39:45,246 --> 00:39:48,716
chairperson mendelson: thank you, counsel number.

590
00:39:48,716 --> 00:39:52,316
councilmember pinto. Councilmember pinto: thank you

591
00:39:52,321 --> 00:39:56,925
so much councilmembers for working on this important issue.

592
00:39:56,925 --> 00:40:02,640
I am in agreement that d.c. Is a world-class city and we need to

593
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support our incredible venues and artists and preserve the

594
00:40:06,334 --> 00:40:09,672
ability for our residents and fans to go see shows and for

595
00:40:09,672 --> 00:40:12,341
people to come from around the country in the world to these

596
00:40:12,341 --> 00:40:16,545
incredible venues. What we are doing today, we have

597
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to be particularly mindful to. I appreciate the changes in the

598
00:40:21,737 --> 00:40:25,541
amendment that councilmember allen and henderson have

599
00:40:25,541 --> 00:40:28,977
circulated that kind of restore some of the initial language

600
00:40:28,977 --> 00:40:32,981
from the bill. But I have a couple questions as

601
00:40:32,981 --> 00:40:37,781
I just read this language and the rationale.

602
00:40:39,722 --> 00:40:47,522
so, in section 2b, where it says in addition to the rules in

603
00:40:51,934 --> 00:40:57,934
subsection a, the mayor is authorized the rules for the

604
00:40:58,208 --> 00:41:03,608
service of providing the marketplace for the issuance or

605
00:41:03,612 --> 00:41:06,348
sale of an initial ticket. My understanding from this

606
00:41:06,348 --> 00:41:09,952
morning's discussion was the intention of the

607
00:41:09,952 --> 00:41:16,892
amendment was to go back to the original intention of the bill

608
00:41:16,892 --> 00:41:22,970
to regulate the secondary market as opposed to giving the mayor

609
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:24,366
authority to regulate fees on the primary market.

610
00:41:24,366 --> 00:41:29,738
but this language seems just as concerning in that respect.

611
00:41:29,738 --> 00:41:32,738
yet, please. Councilmember allen: sure.

612
00:41:33,642 --> 00:41:38,580
through the chair, and I will turn to councilmember nadeau to

613
00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:39,982
add on as well, this is specifically to the platform

614
00:41:39,982 --> 00:41:43,285
fees. So not the venue fees.

615
00:41:43,285 --> 00:41:46,988
so this allows the mayor to be able to take a look at platform

616
00:41:46,988 --> 00:41:49,924
fees that are charged to the consumer.

617
00:41:49,924 --> 00:41:53,996
it is not the fees of the venue they have to say I will host

618
00:41:53,996 --> 00:41:57,332
this event. That was part of the original

619
00:41:57,332 --> 00:42:02,539
bill, not including venue fees, so this is only focusing on the

620
00:42:02,539 --> 00:42:07,339
platform fees, meaning the platform, the website, the

621
00:42:09,945 --> 00:42:15,945
company taking the sale. Anything you wanted to add to

622
00:42:16,352 --> 00:42:19,555
that, or did I described that correctly?

623
00:42:19,555 --> 00:42:24,293
councilmember nadeau: the goal is we can go after the primary

624
00:42:24,293 --> 00:42:27,229
market in a way that does not penalize local businesses

625
00:42:27,229 --> 00:42:29,898
basically. Councilmember pinto: I guess I

626
00:42:29,898 --> 00:42:32,501
don't see how this would not penalize local businesses if we

627
00:42:32,501 --> 00:42:37,940
are saying the mayor could regulate prices on the primary

628
00:42:37,940 --> 00:42:42,740
market, regardless of who is issuing the ticket.

629
00:42:42,845 --> 00:42:45,981
councilmember nadeau: it is real specific.

630
00:42:45,981 --> 00:42:49,184
we can look at it. Councilmember pinto: governing

631
00:42:49,184 --> 00:42:52,454
the fees for the service of providing a marketplace for the

632
00:42:52,454 --> 00:42:54,156
issuance or sale of an initial ticket.

633
00:42:54,156 --> 00:42:57,156
councilmember nadeau: fees. Fees, right?

634
00:42:58,193 --> 00:43:03,132
councilmember pinto: ok. So this is meant to be

635
00:43:03,132 --> 00:43:07,136
addressing tack on fees after the ticket price.

636
00:43:07,136 --> 00:43:09,536
I see. Thank you.

637
00:43:09,538 --> 00:43:14,338
that is helpful. There is language on the

638
00:43:15,878 --> 00:43:19,282
rationale that I just want to make sure I understand what this

639
00:43:19,282 --> 00:43:23,485
is corresponding to. This is on page three of the

640
00:43:23,485 --> 00:43:27,289
circulated amendment, the panel to the paragraph.

641
00:43:27,289 --> 00:43:29,825
the amendment preserves the ability for the mayor to

642
00:43:29,825 --> 00:43:34,230
regulate fees in the primary and secondary market, clarifies this

643
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:37,399
authority applies only to fees assessed by the part from stem

644
00:43:37,399 --> 00:43:40,369
cells for providing a marketplace for the issuance

645
00:43:40,369 --> 00:43:44,641
sale and resale of tickets. So is this again corresponding

646
00:43:44,641 --> 00:43:47,743
to that previous language we just discussed just for fees?

647
00:43:47,743 --> 00:43:49,912
got it. Councilmember allen: correct.

648
00:43:49,912 --> 00:43:52,180
councilmember pinto: thank you very much.

649
00:43:52,180 --> 00:43:55,780
chairperson mendelson: thank you, councilmember pinto.

650
00:43:56,351 --> 00:43:59,951
councilmember parker. Councilmember parker: I'm sorry.

651
00:44:03,124 --> 00:44:05,127
councilmember henderson was distracting me.

652
00:44:05,127 --> 00:44:07,527
[laughter] chairperson mendelson: don't

653
00:44:08,264 --> 00:44:11,660
keep blaming other members. Councilmember parker: thank you,

654
00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:15,671
councilmembers. It seems like you all came to a

655
00:44:15,671 --> 00:44:18,740
pretty common sense compromise that I think works.

656
00:44:18,740 --> 00:44:23,144
I was proud to introduce the underlying measure.

657
00:44:23,144 --> 00:44:28,350
I have a couple questions. On the amendment, sections b and

658
00:44:28,350 --> 00:44:35,550
c, the 10% up sale. So if I resell a ticket, I can

659
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:39,561
resell it up to 10%. That makes sense.

660
00:44:39,561 --> 00:44:46,761
then, c, if I exchange a ticket, I can charge an additional 10%.

661
00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:51,234
so now we are talking about to 20%.

662
00:44:52,106 --> 00:44:54,420
and I just want to make sure I am interpreting that the right

663
00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:57,642
way that the additional 10% is cumulative.

664
00:45:03,852 --> 00:45:08,520
I'm sorry. The question is, is the

665
00:45:08,257 --> 00:45:12,457
additional 10% in section c cumulative so the

666
00:45:16,197 --> 00:45:18,733
exchange price can be up to 20% of what the original ticket

667
00:45:18,733 --> 00:45:21,733
price was? Councilmember allen: correct,

668
00:45:23,472 --> 00:45:25,140
because you may have a situation where a part is charging a fee

669
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so you want to be able to include all of that.

670
00:45:26,408 --> 00:45:30,145
councilmember parker: that's when he percent must encompass

671
00:45:30,145 --> 00:45:32,146
all fees or the venue the seller and whatever the price of the

672
00:45:32,146 --> 00:45:34,749
ticket is? Councilmember allen: essentially

673
00:45:34,749 --> 00:45:36,618
you who bought the ticket, what you paid for.

674
00:45:36,618 --> 00:45:39,618
councilmember parker: two other things.

675
00:45:40,155 --> 00:45:45,894
I note that councilmember nadeau to her credit in the committee

676
00:45:45,894 --> 00:45:48,130
print was trying to regulate dynamic pricing.

677
00:45:48,130 --> 00:45:53,535
so dynamic pricing is this idea that when I go to buy my beyonce

678
00:45:53,535 --> 00:45:56,304
tickets, because we are all looking at the same time, the

679
00:45:56,304 --> 00:46:02,310
price is going up and up and up. With this amendment, now there

680
00:46:02,310 --> 00:46:05,910
is nothing dealing with dynamic pricing.

681
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:12,654
and so let me ask it this way. Are the venues we care about,

682
00:46:12,654 --> 00:46:16,854
like the 930 club, concerned about dynamic pricing?

683
00:46:19,361 --> 00:46:23,664
my guess would be no. It seems like the only people

684
00:46:23,664 --> 00:46:27,136
that would be concerned about dynamic pricing would be these

685
00:46:27,136 --> 00:46:31,491
big sellers like ticketmaster. And so the question would be,

686
00:46:31,491 --> 00:46:35,691
why aren't we putting guardrails around that?

687
00:46:35,962 --> 00:46:39,699
not to complicate the amendment. I am glad you all reached a

688
00:46:39,699 --> 00:46:43,636
compromise, but that seems like one area we just did not touch.

689
00:46:43,636 --> 00:46:48,240
I just want to go back to the numbers that I quoted from the

690
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:53,640
original complaint filed by the oag where retailers like

691
00:46:53,747 --> 00:46:57,947
ticketmaster upsell anywhere from 24% to 44% and consumers

692
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:06,158
have paid more than $16 billion. I know that was not the original

693
00:47:06,158 --> 00:47:10,863
intent of your underlying bill. I'm sorry, mr. Chairman, if I

694
00:47:10,863 --> 00:47:12,165
can have more time. Chairperson mendelson: not much

695
00:47:12,165 --> 00:47:16,365
more. There is an answer to come.

696
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:21,700
councilmember parker: councilmember allen, if you can

697
00:47:21,474 --> 00:47:25,278
just speak to all of that. [laughter]

698
00:47:25,278 --> 00:47:29,883
councilmember allen: thank you, councilmember, with all of your

699
00:47:29,883 --> 00:47:34,421
additional time. One of my colleagues said early

700
00:47:34,421 --> 00:47:38,824
on, let's be very clear, this bill is not all things for every

701
00:47:38,824 --> 00:47:40,159
single problem in this marketplace.

702
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:42,559
so start there. Right?

703
00:47:43,296 --> 00:47:48,300
the name of the bill is the resale act so it is focused --

704
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:50,103
when it was introduced it was focused on the secondary and

705
00:47:50,103 --> 00:47:52,773
resale market. There were elements of the

706
00:47:52,773 --> 00:47:57,178
primary marketplace that I think became a pressing issue, so you

707
00:47:57,178 --> 00:48:01,581
see some of that inc. Here. I know that my colleagues

708
00:48:01,581 --> 00:48:03,116
introduced some legislation trying to get at some of these

709
00:48:03,116 --> 00:48:06,285
issues. So there are very likely to be

710
00:48:06,285 --> 00:48:09,890
more types of things to look at this.

711
00:48:09,890 --> 00:48:12,125
it did not include dynamic pricing in this.

712
00:48:12,125 --> 00:48:17,129
I also think from a policy perspective, we used a dynamic

713
00:48:17,129 --> 00:48:20,433
pricing and rationalized it in other policy spaces, so I don't

714
00:48:20,433 --> 00:48:22,433
know. Like parking.

715
00:48:24,738 --> 00:48:27,474
we used dynamic pricing for parking.

716
00:48:27,474 --> 00:48:31,879
if you have ever taken a ride on uber, if you took a toll road,

717
00:48:31,879 --> 00:48:33,513
we use dynamic pricing in a lot of ways.

718
00:48:33,513 --> 00:48:38,218
councilmember parker: I hear you and I respect that and I know we

719
00:48:38,218 --> 00:48:41,754
probably will not fix it now. I will throw it out there before

720
00:48:41,754 --> 00:48:44,959
second reading. It would be great if we can

721
00:48:44,959 --> 00:48:48,494
include that back into the provisions that he may hear in

722
00:48:48,494 --> 00:48:52,980
the future make be able -- future might be able to

723
00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:54,702
regulate. It sounds like there was a lot

724
00:48:54,702 --> 00:48:59,373
of testimony about that, and I can tell you from experience it

725
00:48:59,373 --> 00:49:01,908
is frustrating when I see the price of a concert jump by

726
00:49:01,908 --> 00:49:05,780
hundreds of dollars simply because everyone is interested.

727
00:49:05,780 --> 00:49:08,314
the only other thing I wanted to come to was enforcement.

728
00:49:08,314 --> 00:49:11,450
I know I have raised this multiple times, but I want to

729
00:49:11,450 --> 00:49:14,253
walk through this again. Maybe this is better geared

730
00:49:14,253 --> 00:49:19,530
towards councilmember nadeau. Enforcement I am clear is

731
00:49:21,194 --> 00:49:26,594
targeting bulks others. Let's say those -- bulk sellers,

732
00:49:28,133 --> 00:49:29,969
let's say those selling thousands.

733
00:49:29,969 --> 00:49:36,569
how will dlcp become aware of someone running afoul of these

734
00:49:38,378 --> 00:49:40,380
provisions, and what actually is the consequence?

735
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:45,840
so I heard earlier they will receive a notice of infraction.

736
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,484
great. Are there fines?

737
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:54,426
is there a suspension of sorts? Can you speak to what the

738
00:49:54,426 --> 00:49:57,663
penalty is for not following the law?

739
00:49:57,663 --> 00:50:03,630
councilmember nadeau: yeah. And I actually will also just

740
00:50:04,504 --> 00:50:07,573
speak to your prior question also for a second.

741
00:50:07,573 --> 00:50:12,973
so, dynamic pricing includes prices that are both legitimate

742
00:50:14,915 --> 00:50:20,315
-- that vary for both legitimate and illegitimate reasons.

743
00:50:20,753 --> 00:50:23,656
the mayor would tackle those in the coming years through

744
00:50:23,656 --> 00:50:27,256
rulemaking. What the amendment does instead

745
00:50:28,394 --> 00:50:30,462
is focuses on the west obviously offensive form of dynamic

746
00:50:30,462 --> 00:50:32,398
pricing which is called surveillance pricing.

747
00:50:32,398 --> 00:50:36,202
that is what we were talking but earlier where prices are

748
00:50:36,202 --> 00:50:38,404
tailored to individual consumers based on activity that can

749
00:50:38,404 --> 00:50:41,140
correlate with demographics. That is in the amendment, which

750
00:50:41,140 --> 00:50:44,944
I think is good. We will also in committee be

751
00:50:44,944 --> 00:50:49,744
taking on surveillance pricing more broadly with councilmember

752
00:50:50,830 --> 00:50:54,821
henderson's bill on this issue, which also pertains to

753
00:50:54,821 --> 00:50:59,210
transportation, etc. Anyone who is selling over 50

754
00:51:01,361 --> 00:51:05,665
tickets on the platforms will have to register.

755
00:51:05,665 --> 00:51:11,104
so it is not just a big bulk. It is also sort of smaller bulk.

756
00:51:11,104 --> 00:51:11,971
that is where we set the threshold.

757
00:51:11,971 --> 00:51:16,308
councilmember parker: I'm sorry, if I could just jump in.

758
00:51:16,308 --> 00:51:17,377
I am genuinely trying to understand.

759
00:51:17,377 --> 00:51:22,777
how will dlcp know that councilmember allen is selling

760
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:27,500
100 tickets? He should be registering.

761
00:51:27,253 --> 00:51:31,258
councilmember nadeau: I think I used the example earlier today

762
00:51:31,258 --> 00:51:34,258
of short-term family housing. Right?

763
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,397
it has to be partnership between the regulatory agency and the

764
00:51:37,397 --> 00:51:39,998
platforms and the public. It is not an easy answer.

765
00:51:39,998 --> 00:51:42,168
councilmember parker: so they register.

766
00:51:42,168 --> 00:51:46,368
and what happens? Councilmember nadeau: and then

767
00:51:48,140 --> 00:51:54,747
-- ok, so they register. And then we know that they exist

768
00:51:54,747 --> 00:52:00,419
and they will be selling. And then there are requirements

769
00:52:00,419 --> 00:52:02,956
for the platforms to share expansive data, extensive data

770
00:52:02,956 --> 00:52:07,156
with dlcp. Councilmember allen put money in

771
00:52:07,226 --> 00:52:12,832
the budget to add staff to the department to assist with

772
00:52:12,832 --> 00:52:16,568
monitoring all of this. So we are setting ourselves up

773
00:52:16,568 --> 00:52:21,368
for success. And also, it will still take

774
00:52:21,907 --> 00:52:26,107
work to ensure. Councilmember parker: got you.

775
00:52:26,546 --> 00:52:29,315
one last follow-up question related to that.

776
00:52:29,315 --> 00:52:33,286
is there anyway to hold the big ticket sellers accountable, like

777
00:52:33,286 --> 00:52:37,900
ticketmaster, to not allow someone to gouge if we are

778
00:52:37,900 --> 00:52:40,910
saying in the law you cannot sell for more than 20%?

779
00:52:40,910 --> 00:52:43,179
it sounds like we are putting the onus on ourselves.

780
00:52:43,179 --> 00:52:47,383
and I hear you. I guess my concern is we are

781
00:52:47,383 --> 00:52:53,288
wrinkling and going through all of this -- wranglgiing and going

782
00:52:53,288 --> 00:52:55,424
through all of this but I am not convinced we will catch all of

783
00:52:55,424 --> 00:52:59,428
the bad actors. Councilmember nadeau: I think it

784
00:52:59,428 --> 00:53:01,297
is honestly like anything else we do appear.

785
00:53:01,297 --> 00:53:05,330
we have to constantly monitor and do oversight to make sure it

786
00:53:05,330 --> 00:53:09,438
is properly followed. I certainly will be leaving

787
00:53:09,438 --> 00:53:13,609
behind my book of tips and tricks when I leave this place,

788
00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:21,409
but I think that, again, it has to be a combination of consumers

789
00:53:22,318 --> 00:53:24,854
and the regulatory agency and the council working together to

790
00:53:24,854 --> 00:53:28,592
ensure, and the platforms, to ensure it all gets implemented

791
00:53:28,592 --> 00:53:32,327
with fidelity and what is intended here actually happens.

792
00:53:32,327 --> 00:53:38,800
I mean, one of the reasons I had given the mayor such broad

793
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,103
regulatory authority was because we cannot anticipate everything.

794
00:53:41,103 --> 00:53:44,941
ideally she would not have to come back to us every time to

795
00:53:44,941 --> 00:53:49,741
catch up, to catch up with the industry.

796
00:53:49,912 --> 00:53:54,283
and so maybe we should look at that, tweaking that for a second

797
00:53:54,283 --> 00:53:56,819
reading. Because we did move pretty

798
00:53:56,819 --> 00:54:00,220
quickly today to try to address everybody's concerns.

799
00:54:00,220 --> 00:54:00,823
so, happy to talk more with folks.

800
00:54:00,823 --> 00:54:03,823
chairperson mendelson: thank you, councilmember.

801
00:54:03,993 --> 00:54:06,393
councilmember crawford. Councilmember crawford:

802
00:54:08,964 --> 00:54:13,502
councilmember parker already asked the question I had on what

803
00:54:13,502 --> 00:54:16,502
it affects, a cumulative 20% cap.

804
00:54:17,907 --> 00:54:19,108
that is important for after the meeting.

805
00:54:19,108 --> 00:54:20,476
thank you. Chairperson mendelson:

806
00:54:20,476 --> 00:54:24,760
councilmember frumin. Councilmember frumin: thank you,

807
00:54:25,181 --> 00:54:27,583
councilmembers. I think this is a good

808
00:54:27,583 --> 00:54:30,920
compromise. Really happy to see we have

809
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,791
gotten to where we have gotten. I want to put a marker down on

810
00:54:35,791 --> 00:54:42,391
dynamic pricing because I would be reluctant to say that should

811
00:54:43,532 --> 00:54:45,935
just be designated as a rulemaking.

812
00:54:45,935 --> 00:54:48,204
I think we want to hear testimony on that.

813
00:54:48,204 --> 00:54:52,875
I think what is happening here is an effort to take the dollars

814
00:54:52,875 --> 00:54:58,275
from big platform international companies that are getting large

815
00:55:00,150 --> 00:55:02,851
fees and scalpers who are getting large profits and

816
00:55:02,851 --> 00:55:07,510
bringing dollars back to the venues themselves.

817
00:55:08,123 --> 00:55:11,494
I would want to hear from the venues because I would want to

818
00:55:11,494 --> 00:55:18,940
understand how when the prices of the tickets go up, to

819
00:55:18,500 --> 00:55:20,503
what extent the artists benefit from the higher revenue that

820
00:55:20,503 --> 00:55:24,373
comes in. I don't know the answer to that,

821
00:55:24,373 --> 00:55:28,376
but I would want to hear that. I would also want to hear from

822
00:55:28,376 --> 00:55:36,176
venues about -- I am sure venues have some shows that are very

823
00:55:36,418 --> 00:55:40,322
profitable and many shows that are not.

824
00:55:40,322 --> 00:55:47,610
and they provide a setting for folks to come out and begin to

825
00:55:47,610 --> 00:55:51,800
build a following. So I would not want to get too

826
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,805
far out there in choking off their access to revenue from

827
00:55:56,805 --> 00:56:02,945
profitable shows because it may well be that they benefit from

828
00:56:02,945 --> 00:56:07,349
that but others benefit from that as well.

829
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:11,554
I think it is sort of a complicated economic question,

830
00:56:11,554 --> 00:56:13,422
and I would not want to immediately say send it to

831
00:56:13,422 --> 00:56:16,492
rulemaking. I would want to hear from the

832
00:56:16,492 --> 00:56:20,629
front line players on that. But on what we have accomplished

833
00:56:20,629 --> 00:56:26,101
here today on what are the most egregious issues, I think a lot

834
00:56:26,101 --> 00:56:31,874
to be proud of and very grateful to those who worked on it.

835
00:56:31,874 --> 00:56:34,274
chairperson mendelson: thank you.

836
00:56:34,276 --> 00:56:38,381
if there is no further discussion -- oh, I'm sorry,

837
00:56:38,381 --> 00:56:40,448
councilmember pinto, second round.

838
00:56:40,448 --> 00:56:44,720
councilmember pinto: I'm sorry, and I know you all worked out

839
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:48,457
this language but I am hearing from venues now about concerns

840
00:56:48,457 --> 00:56:53,929
around these fees because they receive money from the fees even

841
00:56:53,929 --> 00:56:59,929
if the ticket is being handled on a different platform.

842
00:57:01,804 --> 00:57:06,408
working on a compromise, but it still feels like the initial

843
00:57:06,408 --> 00:57:13,608
intention was really to focus on the secondary market and that a

844
00:57:13,948 --> 00:57:17,548
potentially unanticipated consequence of even this

845
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,155
compromise language could be that our local venues get fewer

846
00:57:20,155 --> 00:57:23,755
fees than they are currently getting.

847
00:57:25,994 --> 00:57:31,800
and so I wanted to see how people would feel about

848
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:38,400
clarifying in section b that we are talking about the secondary

849
00:57:38,607 --> 00:57:39,707
marketplace for the regulation of fees.

850
00:57:39,707 --> 00:57:44,470
chairperson mendelson: I would urge that that language be

851
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:46,215
looked at between first and second reading.

852
00:57:46,215 --> 00:57:49,652
let's get this bill engrossed and folks can over the next two

853
00:57:49,652 --> 00:57:53,288
weeks take a look at what we have done and get feedback.

854
00:57:53,288 --> 00:57:59,195
but I am also thinking if it is 10% on fees, I mean, as I

855
00:57:59,195 --> 00:58:04,400
recall, you pay two dollars, maybe five dollars in fees per

856
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,000
ticket. It is way less than 10%.

857
00:58:08,303 --> 00:58:09,872
so I am not even sure there is an issue here.

858
00:58:09,872 --> 00:58:13,809
councilmember pinto: well, the 10% cap is for the secondary

859
00:58:13,809 --> 00:58:18,900
market. My concern is that this language

860
00:58:19,348 --> 00:58:23,752
authorizes the mayor to regulate fees even in the primary market.

861
00:58:23,752 --> 00:58:26,752
no. I'm talking subsection b.

862
00:58:28,357 --> 00:58:31,627
it does not say anything about 20%.

863
00:58:31,627 --> 00:58:35,164
fees for service providing a marketplace for the issuance or

864
00:58:35,164 --> 00:58:38,234
sale of an initial ticket. So if another platform is

865
00:58:38,234 --> 00:58:45,434
selling a ticket for the 930 club and has some fees on it,

866
00:58:46,316 --> 00:58:48,584
our venues are currently receiving some of those fees, is

867
00:58:48,584 --> 00:58:50,530
my understanding. Chairperson mendelson: all

868
00:58:50,530 --> 00:58:53,189
right. Well, your time has expired.

869
00:58:53,189 --> 00:58:56,189
councilmember pinto: ok. So, great.

870
00:58:58,928 --> 00:59:00,729
so I look forward to working with you all between first and

871
00:59:00,729 --> 00:59:05,201
second reading to try to refocus on the secondary market.

872
00:59:05,201 --> 00:59:07,670
thank you. Chairperson mendelson: if there

873
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:12,476
is no further discussion, the vote will be on the amendment

874
00:59:12,476 --> 00:59:14,143
that was circulated by councilmembers henderson and

875
00:59:14,143 --> 00:59:16,612
allen. On the amendment, all those in

876
00:59:16,612 --> 00:59:20,812
favor say aye. Are there any opposed?

877
00:59:21,217 --> 00:59:24,821
hearing none, the ayes have it unanimously.

878
00:59:24,821 --> 00:59:28,224
that was the amendment. Now we have the bill as amended

879
00:59:28,224 --> 00:59:32,328
before us. Is there any further discussion?

880
00:59:32,328 --> 00:59:37,100
on the bill as amended. So just I will repeat what I

881
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:40,360
said a moment ago. This is first reading.

882
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:44,808
and at the moment, it looks like second reading will be july 14.

883
00:59:44,808 --> 00:59:48,712
our practice is the general counsel will engross the bill to

884
00:59:48,712 --> 00:59:51,648
reflect the amendment and that will become available later this

885
00:59:51,648 --> 00:59:55,317
week. And so everybody can look at it

886
00:59:55,317 --> 01:00:00,560
and see if they are comfortable. On the bill as amended, all

887
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:05,610
those in favor, say aye. Are there any opposed?

888
01:00:05,610 --> 01:00:09,261
hearing none, the ayes have it unanimously.

889
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:13,199
we will turn to emergency measures.

890
01:00:16,206 --> 01:00:21,600
the first is 26-753, the holdover period emergency

891
01:00:22,812 --> 01:00:25,212
extension resolution. Councilmember allen.

892
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:30,350
councilmember allen: thank you, mr. Chairman.

893
01:00:31,287 --> 01:00:34,887
ok. The public service commission of

894
01:00:36,492 --> 01:00:44,167
the district of columbia, psc is led by the mayor with advice to

895
01:00:44,167 --> 01:00:47,767
the council. The current commissioners, two

896
01:00:53,108 --> 01:00:57,380
are set to expire today. Section 2c provides that "no

897
01:00:57,380 --> 01:01:01,650
person shall serve in a hold of her capacity for longer than 180

898
01:01:01,650 --> 01:01:04,220
days after the expiration of the term to which he or she was

899
01:01:04,220 --> 01:01:07,820
appointed." officers appointed by the mayor

900
01:01:07,924 --> 01:01:10,659
with advice and consent to the consul given their current terms

901
01:01:10,659 --> 01:01:14,197
are set to expire today on june 30, there holdover period would

902
01:01:14,197 --> 01:01:18,997
end on december 2, 2026. Energy costs in the district

903
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:25,602
have risen in the past year more than any other district.

904
01:01:28,110 --> 01:01:32,614
psc needs new leadership to navigate the affordably crisis

905
01:01:32,614 --> 01:01:36,419
and needs stability during the interim of administration

906
01:01:36,419 --> 01:01:39,122
changes to ensure a quorum can be met and operations continue.

907
01:01:39,122 --> 01:01:44,293
a new mayor will be inaugurated on january 2, 2027, and they

908
01:01:44,293 --> 01:01:48,898
should determine who is best to lead in the coming years.

909
01:01:48,898 --> 01:01:52,435
this emergency legislation would extend the holdover period from

910
01:01:52,435 --> 01:01:55,239
180 days to 270 days, if actively adding 90 additional

911
01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:59,439
days until march 27, 2027. Extending the holdover period

912
01:02:00,242 --> 01:02:01,377
will allow commissioners to serve while the next mayor

913
01:02:01,377 --> 01:02:05,415
determines the new nominees and the council can vote on those.

914
01:02:05,415 --> 01:02:08,651
thank you, mr. Chair. Chairperson mendelson: we have

915
01:02:08,651 --> 01:02:11,754
the declaration before us. Is there discussion on the

916
01:02:11,754 --> 01:02:15,354
declaration? The vote will be on.

917
01:02:16,459 --> 01:02:20,596
all those in favor, say aye. Are there any opposed?

918
01:02:20,596 --> 01:02:24,200
hearing none, the ayes have it unanimously.

919
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,800
we have the underlying bill 26-715.

920
01:02:28,805 --> 01:02:35,405
is there a discussion? The vote will be on bill 26-715.

921
01:02:35,611 --> 01:02:39,615
all those in favor, say aye. Are there any opposed?

922
01:02:39,615 --> 01:02:42,819
hearing none, the ayes have it unanimously.

923
01:02:42,819 --> 01:02:48,219
the next measure is 26-751. Conference of policing and

924
01:02:48,491 --> 01:02:50,293
justice reform technical emergency declaration resolution

925
01:02:50,293 --> 01:02:52,362
2026. Councilmember allen: thank you,

926
01:02:52,362 --> 01:02:55,362
mr. Chair. On december 20, 2022, congress

927
01:02:57,766 --> 01:03:02,566
passed the act. Section 105 of the permanent law

928
01:03:03,239 --> 01:03:06,242
which expands the jurisdiction of the office of police

929
01:03:06,242 --> 01:03:09,445
complaints remains unfunded and has not yet taken effect.

930
01:03:09,445 --> 01:03:12,715
instead, substantially similar provisions have been maintained

931
01:03:12,715 --> 01:03:15,715
on emergency and temporary basis.

932
01:03:16,619 --> 01:03:21,591
amending the expanding supports for the act of 2022 which is

933
01:03:21,591 --> 01:03:26,391
d.c. Law 24-341, 14698. Section 4 of the leading

934
01:03:28,597 --> 01:03:33,936
education access for reentry and necessary success passed on the

935
01:03:33,936 --> 01:03:39,336
second reading on june 2, 2026. It clarifies the scope of

936
01:03:39,809 --> 01:03:42,770
reporting requirements on a permanent basis moving forward

937
01:03:42,770 --> 01:03:44,814
and has not yet been signed by the mayor.

938
01:03:44,814 --> 01:03:48,552
in response, the council passed the reform technical emergency

939
01:03:48,552 --> 01:03:52,152
act of 2025 which expired on january 28, 2026.

940
01:03:53,890 --> 01:03:57,893
council also passed the company hence of and justice reform

941
01:03:57,893 --> 01:04:00,564
technical temporary amendment act of 2025 which is set to

942
01:04:00,564 --> 01:04:04,433
expire on august 13, 2026, prior to the council's return from

943
01:04:04,433 --> 01:04:08,771
legislative recess. This new round is necessary to

944
01:04:08,771 --> 01:04:11,700
prevent a gap in the law between the expiration of the temporary

945
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:16,407
legislation and section 105. It is necessary to clarify the

946
01:04:17,114 --> 01:04:22,514
scope of reporting requirements amended by the expanding reports

947
01:04:22,585 --> 01:04:24,320
. With that, I move.

948
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,720
chairperson mendelson: thank you.

949
01:04:26,823 --> 01:04:28,191
we have the declaration before us.

950
01:04:28,191 --> 01:04:31,227
is there discussion? Councilmember henderson: mr.

951
01:04:31,227 --> 01:04:32,595
chairman. Chairperson mendelson:

952
01:04:32,595 --> 01:04:36,195
councilmember henderson. Councilmember henderson: we have

953
01:04:36,532 --> 01:04:42,339
been voting on this on an emergency and temporary basis

954
01:04:42,339 --> 01:04:45,141
fairly routinely at this point, so I am curious, what is the

955
01:04:45,141 --> 01:04:49,341
permanent plan here? Chairperson mendelson: there is

956
01:04:51,214 --> 01:04:52,615
a certain amount of finger-pointing going on.

957
01:04:52,615 --> 01:04:54,550
councilmember henderson: I am not pointing a finger.

958
01:04:54,550 --> 01:04:56,287
chairperson mendelson: I know you are not.

959
01:04:56,287 --> 01:04:57,756
councilmember henderson: I am just asking.

960
01:04:57,756 --> 01:05:02,360
chairperson mendelson: not sure I want to get into whose fingers

961
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,429
are pointing at who but this apparently has to do with a

962
01:05:04,429 --> 01:05:08,500
provision that allegedly I had something to do with and that

963
01:05:08,500 --> 01:05:12,370
has not been funded, so I think there is some belief I am

964
01:05:12,370 --> 01:05:16,441
supposed to do something about this, which I am not fully

965
01:05:16,441 --> 01:05:18,843
understanding. At least going to the next

966
01:05:18,843 --> 01:05:21,790
round, maybe we will sort it out.

967
01:05:21,790 --> 01:05:25,500
councilmember henderson: so, we do it one more time.

968
01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:30,188
chairperson mendelson: I would prefer we do it many more times

969
01:05:30,188 --> 01:05:32,524
until the person I think is responsible figures out how to

970
01:05:32,524 --> 01:05:33,458
fund it. [laughter]

971
01:05:33,458 --> 01:05:35,927
councilmember henderson: how much is this particular

972
01:05:35,927 --> 01:05:38,830
provision? Chairperson mendelson: beats me.

973
01:05:38,830 --> 01:05:40,830
councilmember henderson: [laughter]

974
01:05:41,833 --> 01:05:44,102
so we don't know what we are fighting over?

975
01:05:44,102 --> 01:05:47,500
chairperson mendelson: I am not sure fighting is the right word.

976
01:05:47,500 --> 01:05:51,943
councilmember henderson: ok. I would just say for the record

977
01:05:51,943 --> 01:05:53,811
-- chairperson mendelson: a

978
01:05:53,811 --> 01:05:56,515
misunderstanding over it. Councilmember henderson:

979
01:05:56,515 --> 01:05:59,550
nonetheless, in terms of the personal gripes between who is

980
01:05:59,550 --> 01:06:03,756
responsible for what, etc., this is one of those situations where

981
01:06:03,756 --> 01:06:08,426
we have already been critiqued from the hill in terms of doing

982
01:06:08,426 --> 01:06:11,830
successive emergencies back to back that are permanent coming

983
01:06:11,830 --> 01:06:14,832
into play. That is what I am asking what

984
01:06:14,832 --> 01:06:19,170
the plan was if we are going to continue doing this on an

985
01:06:19,170 --> 01:06:23,308
emergency basis or someone, however, no finger-pointing,

986
01:06:23,308 --> 01:06:25,444
plans to actually fund the section so we no longer have to

987
01:06:25,444 --> 01:06:28,444
do this. Chairperson mendelson: noted.

988
01:06:32,117 --> 01:06:35,117
thank you. Councilmember henderson: ok.

989
01:06:38,523 --> 01:06:40,525
chairperson mendelson: councilmember felder.

990
01:06:40,525 --> 01:06:45,325
>> no, that was frumin. Councilmember frumin: thank you

991
01:06:48,399 --> 01:06:49,267
very much. People get confused all the

992
01:06:49,267 --> 01:06:51,267
time. [laughter]

993
01:06:52,370 --> 01:06:56,808
I just want to echo the comment councilmember henderson made.

994
01:06:56,808 --> 01:07:00,679
the mayor talks about this is the sixth time we have done this

995
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:03,148
on emergency basis. I don't understand why that

996
01:07:03,148 --> 01:07:05,250
would be. I don't want to do a seventh

997
01:07:05,250 --> 01:07:08,250
time. I don't get it.

998
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,356
so hopefully we can figure this out and not have to do it a

999
01:07:12,356 --> 01:07:17,156
second time. We can't rely on emergencies in

1000
01:07:17,295 --> 01:07:20,498
this kind of way. We should not rely on

1001
01:07:20,498 --> 01:07:25,437
emergencies in this kind of way. Let's sort it out.

1002
01:07:25,437 --> 01:07:29,637
chairperson mendelson: further discussion on the declaration?

1003
01:07:30,410 --> 01:07:35,413
on the declaration, 26-751, all those in favor, say aye.

1004
01:07:35,413 --> 01:07:39,784
are there any opposed? Hearing none, the ayes have it

1005
01:07:39,784 --> 01:07:42,784
unanimously. On the underlying bill,

1006
01:07:44,255 --> 01:07:47,255
councilmember allen. Councilmember allen: enthusiasm,

1007
01:07:47,525 --> 01:07:48,993
mr. Chair. Chairperson mendelson:

1008
01:07:48,993 --> 01:07:52,831
discussion? The vote will be on 26-712.

1009
01:07:52,831 --> 01:07:57,635
all those in favor, say aye. Are there any opposed?

1010
01:07:57,635 --> 01:08:01,835
hearing none, the ayes have it unanimously.

1011
01:08:02,741 --> 01:08:06,878
the next measure is the safety extension emergency declaration

1012
01:08:06,878 --> 01:08:08,878
resolution 2026. Councilmember henderson.

1013
01:08:09,130 --> 01:08:12,613
councilmember henderson: thank you, mr. Chairman.

1014
01:08:13,318 --> 01:08:16,287
speaking of many emergencies, this measure would once again

1015
01:08:16,287 --> 01:08:19,825
extend the emergency legislation that has been effect since

1016
01:08:19,825 --> 01:08:22,627
december 2024. That permits a retail

1017
01:08:22,627 --> 01:08:25,963
establishment with a valid on premises class c or class d

1018
01:08:25,963 --> 01:08:30,568
retailer license or restaurant location that operates 24 hours

1019
01:08:30,568 --> 01:08:35,239
a day or operates at 3:00 a.m. At least two days a week to

1020
01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:36,574
refuse cash as a form of payment.

1021
01:08:36,574 --> 01:08:38,976
in order to comply with this exemption, the establishment

1022
01:08:38,976 --> 01:08:44,976
must display written notice to the public that the cash

1023
01:08:45,716 --> 01:08:48,253
payments are not accepted on the door of the establishment or on

1024
01:08:48,253 --> 01:08:52,453
its menu. A permanent measure is under

1025
01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:54,992
consideration in the committee on public works and operations.

1026
01:08:54,992 --> 01:08:58,395
it had a hearing on june 9, 2025.

1027
01:08:58,395 --> 01:09:05,736
while I hope the permanent would have been passed by now, it will

1028
01:09:05,736 --> 01:09:11,209
not in time as the current temporary would expire while we

1029
01:09:11,209 --> 01:09:14,813
are on recess, so that is why I am moving this today.

1030
01:09:14,813 --> 01:09:19,130
so moved, mr. Chairman. Chairperson mendelson: thank

1031
01:09:19,617 --> 01:09:20,618
you. Discussion?

1032
01:09:20,618 --> 01:09:24,489
councilmember henderson, you said this was a successive

1033
01:09:24,489 --> 01:09:27,250
emergency? Councilmember henderson: not by

1034
01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:31,225
choice, but yes. Chairperson mendelson: I will

1035
01:09:31,563 --> 01:09:36,167
just note for the record you and I talked about this I think a

1036
01:09:36,167 --> 01:09:41,567
couple weeks ago. I have been voting against this

1037
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,609
consistently so I will be voting against it today.

1038
01:09:44,609 --> 01:09:46,211
it has been approved consistently.

1039
01:09:46,211 --> 01:09:51,110
is there further discussion? On the declaration, 26-750,

1040
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,822
all those in favor, say aye. Are there any opposed?

1041
01:09:57,822 --> 01:10:03,795
please record me as voting no. The ayes have it.

1042
01:10:03,795 --> 01:10:06,195
on 26-710, councilmember henderson.

1043
01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:09,734
councilmember henderson: so moved.

1044
01:10:09,734 --> 01:10:11,734
chairperson mendelson: discussion?

1045
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:16,670
on the bill -- >> can I speak?

1046
01:10:27,351 --> 01:10:29,754
I can withdraw. Chairperson mendelson:

1047
01:10:29,754 --> 01:10:33,491
councilmember bonds. Councilmember bonds: I move to

1048
01:10:33,491 --> 01:10:36,494
withdraw and because the measure, the permanent measure

1049
01:10:36,494 --> 01:10:41,100
is potentially coming. And the maker of this temporary

1050
01:10:41,100 --> 01:10:45,900
bill determined that my amendment was not friendly.

1051
01:10:46,504 --> 01:10:49,573
so if it is not friendly, I will wait for the permanent measure.

1052
01:10:49,573 --> 01:10:54,312
chairperson mendelson: ok. If there is no further

1053
01:10:54,312 --> 01:10:57,848
discussion, the vote will be on 26-710.

1054
01:10:57,848 --> 01:11:03,500
all of those in favor, say aye. Are there any opposed?

1055
01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:09,500
please record me as voting no. The ayes have it.

1056
01:11:12,815 --> 01:11:18,815
we have temporary bills. If there is no objection, we

1057
01:11:19,890 --> 01:11:21,240
will move the first two in block.

1058
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:25,824
that is bill 26-726. , perhaps of policing and

1059
01:11:31,167 --> 01:11:34,167
justice reform temporary act 2026, 26-713.

1060
01:11:35,438 --> 01:11:39,275
hearing no objection, they are before us in blocked.

1061
01:11:39,275 --> 01:11:42,712
I will say so moved. Any discussion on those two

1062
01:11:42,712 --> 01:11:44,714
temporaries? All those in favor, say aye.

1063
01:11:44,714 --> 01:11:50,114
are there any opposed? The ayes have it unanimously.

1064
01:11:50,486 --> 01:11:53,486
26-711, entertainment establishments safety extension.

1065
01:11:56,625 --> 01:11:59,250
councilmember henderson. So moved?

1066
01:12:00,196 --> 01:12:01,797
councilmember henderson: so moved.

1067
01:12:01,797 --> 01:12:05,234
chairperson mendelson: discussion on this bill?

1068
01:12:05,234 --> 01:12:11,834
all those in favor say aye. ,almost did not make it.

1069
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:18,480
are there any opposed? Please record me as voting no.

1070
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:23,280
the ayes have it. The next legislative meeting

1071
01:12:24,860 --> 01:12:27,689
will be an additional meeting on july 14.

1072
01:12:27,689 --> 01:12:30,559
the agenda says 12:00. That time may actually be

1073
01:12:30,559 --> 01:12:33,559
earlier. We are thinking about 10:00.

1074
01:12:34,430 --> 01:12:38,630
yes on the 14th. Oh, I'm sorry.

1075
01:12:39,101 --> 01:12:42,701
the seventh. Let me start over.

1076
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:48,310
the next legislative meeting on the agenda is july 14.

1077
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:51,580
it is an additional meeting scheduled to start at noon.

1078
01:12:51,580 --> 01:12:55,717
they will in fact be a legislative meeting on july 7

1079
01:12:55,717 --> 01:12:58,754
where we are going to take up the budget support act.

1080
01:12:58,754 --> 01:13:02,354
and that will probably start at 10:00.

1081
01:13:02,858 --> 01:13:07,930
there being no further business, the time is 2:42 in the

1082
01:13:07,930 --> 01:13:11,530
afternoon, and this meeting is adjourned.

1083
01:13:13,690 --> 01:13:15,690
?