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Good afternoon everyone. Welcome to the

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special finance committee meeting of

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March 27th,

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2025. I acknowledge that this meeting is

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taking place on the traditional

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territory of the Shanu and South First

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Nations. The district chosen is

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committed to reconciliation with

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indigenous peoples and we recognize,

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honor, and respect the pres presence of

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indigenous peoples past, present, and

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future.

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Please be sure to have your cell phones

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turned off during the

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meeting. Committee, we have an agenda

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before you. We have a pink to add

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through in our correspondent section. Is

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there any other additions or changes?

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Okay. Okay. Move adoption. Thank you.

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Moved by councelor Gray, second by Mayor

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Little. All in favor? Carried. Thank

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you. And public participation. Please

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note all comments made during public

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participation will be heard by the

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finance committee and taken into

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consideration. If you'd like to have a

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chance at the mic, please step forward,

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state your name. Turn on the little

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button till the red light comes on.

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There you are. And there is a timer as

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well. The green light is go. The yellow

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light is 30 seconds coming and red is

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stop. Go ahead. You have four minutes.

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I see in the financial plan an allowance

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for $500,000 has been made for the

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purchase of a replacement fire truck.

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With the recent announcement regarding

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tariffs, such a purchase may be beyond

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reach for maturity. I certainly hope so.

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For one of the things that bothers me is

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why government and many non-governmental

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organizations are being driven to spend

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and upgrade to satisfy underwriter and

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insurance

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companies. And in Thank you.

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and incredibly insidious results of

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these imposed mandate standards, often

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without any justification other than

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that they cover somebody else's

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um insurance or organizational standards

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and requests for uh quest for

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perfection. Many of these insurance and

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test best practice programs may be fine

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for municipalities with the resources to

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adopt and follow them.

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But the onesizefits-all practice

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approach

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uh presents a huge problem for the

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lesser

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endowed. Hence, we see Sanage, I believe

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it was Sanage, giving away a perfectly

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good fire truck in the last couple weeks

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to a community that needs one but

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clearly is not even attempting to follow

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the insurance and underwriter

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specifications.

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Liability is often thrown back as a

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default reaction when you asked to

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respond to why we are following some of

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the insurance

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guidelines. But I do wonder how serious

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the liability issue is. When was the

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last time that any fire department

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anywhere suffered a liability issue

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based on the use of an older firet truck

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that no longer met the requirements of

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the insurance industry.

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I have a couple other just quick points

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in the U text that were given us. What

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is this about an operations officer in

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the fire

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department? And when the union

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negotiations are completed, how will

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uh some including retroactive payments

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be handled by the budget? Thank you very

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Nicole Shukin, the Leon Road resident.

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Sorry, I just took a cough drop, so I

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just have to swallow that.

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Um, yeah, I submitted a letter to this

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committee and so I don't want to go over

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that, but I did in that letter just

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reflect a little bit on the remarkable

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history and spirit of Mosen's public

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trail network and suggested that it's

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the last thing that should be targeted

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um by or for austerity. And I use the

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word austerity instead of affordability

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because to my mind affordability rests

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on an actual economic rationale for not

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publicly investing in a in a good trail

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network or active transportation

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infrastructure. Whereas austerity is a

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political agenda and it's a choice or a

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decision to not spend on certain

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community goods or assets. Um so yeah, I

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just um hope that the committee will

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look at this remarkable public trail

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network through the lens of climate

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rather than austerity. And I suggest

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that the um priority actions in the

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climate action plan which include

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improving the active transportation

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network could be a really good lens to

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look through. But just for now, I want

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to talk to two different budgetary

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matters that also pertain to the climate

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action plan and priorities. And the

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first has to do with the hefty

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$800,000 surplus that council will be

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discussing this afternoon. and um

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putting this big surplus back into

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general reserves makes a lot of sense.

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But I think that there might be a case

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for um putting a portion of the surplus

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into one reserve in particular and that

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is the parkland acquisition fund. And

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again I think the rationale for this

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comes in our climate action plan which

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states as a priority action if I can

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quote may not be able to quote but it

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does in fact

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identify land acquisition for habitat

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protection as a priority action and

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currently the the parkland acquisition

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fund is one of the the lowest or the

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smallest reserves that we have. I think

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there's only $200,000 or so dollars in

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that fund, whereas most of our other

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reserves, as Mr. Creek's excellent

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overview of the reserve balances show,

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are are really healthy. So, I would love

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to see that acquisition fund topped up

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to half a million in our South Vancouver

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Island real estate market. There's no

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way you can do anything with

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$200,000. But if we grew that fund, we

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could actually make a difference. Um,

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and then the last point I wanted to make

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was just around a a much smaller

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budgetary item, and it appeared on a

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budget line way back under recreation

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and it involves the allocation of $5,000

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to the community hall to Machosen

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Community Hall. And as you can tell from

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my letter, I am a huge supporter of

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public investment in common goods. And I

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think the community hall is a amazing

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asset. So I support tax dollars going

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towards the hall. But one thing I wonder

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is whether it might make sense to

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earmark that tax those tax dollars for

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supporting the hall towards energy

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transition or energy retrofitting so

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that it can get off diesel heating and

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onto a heat pump. So I don't know if

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that's a possibility or not, but it

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would sure help the owners of the hall

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and would also align with our climate

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action plan. Thank you.

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Thank you,

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Patty Williams, Park Drive. I want to

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thank our CFO for the overview of our

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reserve balances as well as for

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attaching the reserves and surplus

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policy to the staff report. It was

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really helpful for me to understand the

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funding and how it can be used in our

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community. I think everyone should read

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this policy and understand the process

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and allocation of these funds. At the

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February 11th meeting, the finance

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committee approved funding for the Duke

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Roadies Trail and for the parks and

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trails master plan. Both projects

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received funding from the gas tax

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reserve, which is now called the

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community building fund, which is a

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renewable fund provided annually by the

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province and meets the active

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transportation criteria.

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I also want to thank all of you for the

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wonderful um opportunity to come to the

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open house and get a better

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understanding of where tax dollars are

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spent. Um it was really interesting to

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me to see the pie chart where three

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times the amount of our tax dollars go

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to BC transit versus

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hospitals. I was stunned to see that.

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And I think we should be asking for

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better bus service. I had originally

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written down we're an aging population,

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but I got to speak just for myself. I'm

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getting old. I would love to be able to

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take transit from our community to other

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places. And I realize that active

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transportation is defined as

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humanpowered, but why not address this

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option in our active transportation

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project that is being done by urban

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systems. Thank you.

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Hi, Beth Bacon. I'm a chosen resident.

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Um, I wanted I'm just a real big

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advocate of trails, so I wanted to talk

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about roadside trails in particular and

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uh the use of the active transportation

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funding for that.

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Um it seems to be with some people a

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confusion about um if we make these

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trails it's going to increase our taxes.

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And I'd just like council to clarify as

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much as you can that uh that's not a

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connection. That's not a correct

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connection that we have funding from

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elsewhere for active transportation and

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it's not raising the taxes. I have a

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long history with advocating for trails

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as an equestrian and a lot of our trails

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were made by volunteers and we still and

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you know for example Machosen Park um no

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machines went in there. The horse people

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did that and they they dragged the

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covert in by horse. We still have access

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to fantastic volunteers who can both do

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planning and physical work and um and

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donate uh time with machinery when

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machinery is needed. So I the financial

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thing I'd like that out of the equation

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and then let's see what boxes we check

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for having roadside trails. We've got

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health and fitness. We've got safety.

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We've got reus reduced vehicle use.

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That's part of our climate action

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plan. We've got our contribution to our

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neighbors. Uh if we're going to stay

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rural, we providing them with recreation

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space. Um and that's an obligation that

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I think we have um for the to

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accommodate the people with higher

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density neighbor neighborhoods.

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Um people are saying the cost of living

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is top of mind for them. If they can

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walk or cycle to do their errands uh or

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um go to work, they're saving money and

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that's going to be appreciated by

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all. So I'm talking here more about

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roadside trails because I think that's

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what fits best with the act of

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transportation.

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I would go on and on about the other

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interior

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trails and gee I'd almost given up on

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saying why don't we have anything in our

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land acquisition budget until Nicole

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brought it up. I talked about that for

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years and years and years and that fund

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never grew. And here I I think you're

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all in support of us getting a corridor

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for um biodiversity and

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and what's what's our contribution? It's

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we get something from the province, we

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may get federal money, we may get uh

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money from nonprofits, but I think

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Machosen should have something to kick

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in as well. So I would strongly support

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the idea of growing that fund. Thank

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you.

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Thank

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you. Okay. Um Gary Lamb, 860 Hackmore

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Drive. Um what I wanted to uh speak to

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is the

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uh the budget figures having gone

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through the 20

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2024 to 2029 budget and then the

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actual to uh budget for

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2024 and then carrying that over to the

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25 29 budget.

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Um there appears to be some areas where

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the the numbers are soft and and by that

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mean they

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don't provide a clear picture of what uh

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they in fact entail.

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Um and just

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uh one other uh point is the reserves.

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There's a a range that's outlined in the

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documentation on the reserves. A minimum

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level of 2.9 million to an optimum level

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of 10.1 million which gives a difference

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of uh

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72

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million which is a big number. So it it

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raises the question well what is it that

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we feel we need because we've said a

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minimum requirement is the two but yet

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we say the optimum is

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10 and then the the other thing and and

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you know in regards to previous speakers

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I I think it's going to be imperative

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upon um ultimate council uh to decide

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what the the priorities are given our

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limited tax base in the chosen um you

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know there's a number of things that are

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on the books or pending the fire hall um

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road maintenance school

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um we've have the Lumbard site that has

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to be ultimately determined how we move

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forward with that um Duke Road East uh

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Village center, flesh road, bridge, all

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of those things um ultimately uh will

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require money depending what decision

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council makes. So that being said, it's

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going to be critical that um there be

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sufficient information for people to

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clearly understand how it is that

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council u feels that they will move

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forward with this. Thank you. Thank you.

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[Music]

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So, I'm Allison Luk. I'm a chosen

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resident and I wasn't intending to speak

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today, but I would speak in in favor of

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uh if you're going to be putting money

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into reserves, the parkland acquisition.

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Um, I just see from my work with the

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Bilston group, we are losing

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biodiversity and

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uh, we're just losing ground all the

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time. And so, even though it's something

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that I think everybody probably supports

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maybe in the

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future, I feel like we're running out of

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time. So, if we can put money in and

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acquire

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uh, anything like for the Wilston

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Corridor um, work with the Mosen

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Foundation, that sort of thing, I would

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sure support that. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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[Music]

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Uh good afternoon, council, fellow

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residents. Darren Brown, Graceland. I

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want to speak today about the importance

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of fiscal responsibility, community

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values, and transparency, especially as

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it relates to the use of our limited

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funds like the gas tax, now known as the

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Canadian, the Canada Community Building

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Fund. So there's only one

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taxpayer. Thought through a little um

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illustration of how I can describe it to

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you. Right. So I pay out of municipal

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taxes out of this pocket. Federal taxes

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out of this pocket and provincial taxes.

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Oh, I do have one more out of this

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pocket back here. There is one

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taxpayer. Let's not pretend there's

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three or

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more. It's all of us. And every time we

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spend from a finite fund like the gas

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tax, we're making a choice. A choice

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that affects what we can no longer

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afford somewhere else. Those dollars

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don't replenish on demand and they were

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never meant to be a bottomless well for

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pet projects.

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They were designed for core

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infrastructure things like clean water,

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wastewater system, roads, disaster

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mitigation, fireh

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hall, not just beautifification or trail

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expansions. Now, I respect that everyone

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is entitled to their opinion. In fact, I

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deeply value a diversity of opinion. But

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I do think it's important for the public

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to know that the letter submitted by

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Nicole Schukan in our supplemental

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agenda today was written by the spouse

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of councelor Schukan who is the liaison

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to the parks and trails committee. Can I

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point of order for a second? Why does

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that matter? Um Mr. Brown because the

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committee has brought Excuse me, Mr.

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Brown. Mr. Brown is accusing making an

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accusation of something that is

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unsubstantiated. I I'm I I'm sorry. I

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just I can't let that go right now.

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What's the accusation? It's very wrong.

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Apologies if you're not. It's sorry.

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It's absolutely wrong that I had written

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that letter. So, I did not say that. I

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said it was written by written by the

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spouse of councelor Schukan who is the

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liazison to the parks and trails

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committee. I think the exact words were

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were written by councelor Schukan. If

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I'm if I'm Did I Okay. Oh, I'm

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sorry. I I missed hearing the word

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spouse. It was not written by me but

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thank you very

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[Music]

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now why does that matter

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Mr. round. Can you just focus on the

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issue and absolutely I'd be happy to

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explain why that matters. What? Because

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the committee has brought forward some

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very spendy ideas increasing their

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budget by a staggering 50%. And while

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some of these might be well-intentioned,

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we have to ask is it fair or fiscally

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responsible to push forward significant

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funding towards one area like phase one

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of phase three of two road east trail

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while other critical infrastructure is

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left wanting. This is not about personal

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attacks. This is about good

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governance. When someone closely

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connected to a counselor makes a public

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appeal that supports that counselor's

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portfolio, we must at least acknowledge

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it. It at least acknowledge the optics

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if not the conflict because transparency

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actually

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matters. And let's be honest, fiscal

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responsibility isn't about saying no to

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everything. It's about making choices

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that align with the broad community

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needs, not just the loudest voices, but

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the most politically connected ones. So,

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we need to prioritize infrastructure

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that serves the greatest number of

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people. It includes roads,

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communications, clean water, the

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basics. And I say this with full respect

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to our parks and trails system, which I

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love. But they are not more important

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than keeping the lights on, the roads

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safe, or our old school water based

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water systems functional. So, let's

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remember that spending is not neutral.

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Every dollar spent on one thing is a

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dollar that's not available for another.

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And the only people footing the bill are

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us, the taxpayers, the residents. So I

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urge this council and this finance

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committee to be cautious, to be fair,

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and to resist the pull of single

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interest priorities that don't reflect

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the whole of Machosen's needs. Thank you

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very much, Mr. Brown. Thank you,

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[Music]

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Councelor Johnson. I I I will apologize

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again for interrupting Mr. Brown and and

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this table. I I I didn't hear the word

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spouse. So, apologies. Thank you. Thank

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you, Mr. Shuken. May I speak again since

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I was implicated in has everyone else

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had a chance to speak for the first

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time? Now is the time and then Miss

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Shukin can speak the second time.

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Go ahead. Thank you. Yes. No, I also

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heard Mr. Brown say uh written by the

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spouse, so that was accurate. However,

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that doesn't make it any less

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problematic. sposes of council members

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are also independent citizens. Because

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one is married does not mean one is

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wedded in the head and we should not be

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disenfranchised of elected

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representatives from exercising our

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rights as citizens and our ability to

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speak. That would be medieval thinking

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frankly where married women aren't

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allowed to speak because a spouse is on

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council. I also want to just touch on

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what Mr. Brown said about there being

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one one taxpayer. I also think that's a

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real simplification of the tax system

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because when we pay money from this

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pocket into provincial

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taxes, when we win that money back

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through a fund like councelor F was

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awarded, we're winning back the tax

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dollars we spent so that they can be

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used for the benefit of our community.

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So rather than that being a loss, I see

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that as a gain where we've in fact won

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back provincial tax dollars to serve

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Machosen. Also those tax dollars are

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distributed across a huge population. So

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when we pay into provincial taxes, it's

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very different than when we pay our

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local taxes. When we win money back from

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the province, we're winning money back

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from the entire population of BC that

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pays into provincial taxes ditto with

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with federal money. So I think it is a

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real simplistic way of thinking to say

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that there's only one taxpayer. Thank

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you. Thank

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you. Okay.

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Turn my mic off. Go on to the next part

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of our agenda. Do we all get a chance to

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do two speeches?

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No, it's fine. Thanks.

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[Music]

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The

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next is

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[Music]

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All right. Thank you, Mayor and Council.

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uh through the chair. I'll start off by

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saying thank you for all the kind words

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everybody uh throughout all the

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meetings. Um I didn't do that first

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number of times people thank me for the

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work done but I do appreciate it. Um oh

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nothing now. All right. Sorry about

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that. Thank you for all the kind words

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uh throughout this process. Um it does

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give me a little more energy and uh

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support me in standing up here and

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blabbing on about numbers. So, in

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regards to reserves, um not going to go

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into the detail of each individual one.

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Uh there's a little blurb uh in regards

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to each reserve and where it's sitting.

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Just kind of cover off to the end part.

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Uh the recommendations

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uh indicating that I would staff would

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recommend that we increase the admin

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computer reserve uh to an optimal level

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of

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$50,000. This would be enough to cover a

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future server purchase. Uh so we've got

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a new one coming in uh next week, but a

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decade from now we'll need another one

551
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,240
eventually. Uh so if we start putting a

552
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,760
little bit of money away, we'll have

553
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,640
enough in 10 years to acquire a new one

554
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,159
or whatever the heck they have invented

555
00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:47,760
by then. And then also increasing the

556
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,520
legal insurance and consulting reserve

557
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,159
to an optimal level of 250,000. Uh when

558
00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:54,080
I was reviewing that policy that we have

559
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,120
on place right now, it didn't seem like

560
00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,320
the $150,000 would cover off all of the

561
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,919
contingencies that were indicated on

562
00:25:01,919 --> 00:25:05,440
there, like two court cases, uh

563
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,679
insurance premiums, and like on the

564
00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:09,559
other one, I think four consulting

565
00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:11,520
contracts. It didn't seem like that

566
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,279
would be sufficient. So, I'm

567
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:15,760
recommending to increase that to 250.

568
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,720
And then below that um recommending the

569
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,799
allocation of the surplus from the 2024

570
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:26,240
fiscal year um into general capital

571
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,799
municipal equipment uh using the admin

572
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,880
staffing as indicated in last year's

573
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,960
reserve report uh adding some to the

574
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,440
fire equipment building replacement

575
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,279
snowtorm public works efficiency

576
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,400
planning environment and

577
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,000
election. Any questions in regards to

578
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,190
that?

579
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,400
Do you have any questions?

580
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,440
Go ahead. Councelor Shman uh through you

581
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,960
councelor Donaldson. Uh sorry just for

582
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,120
clarification the the amounts

583
00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,520
uh that you mentioned to the computer

584
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,039
reserve and then legal insurance and

585
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,200
consulting

586
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,720
they are distinct from the amounts in in

587
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,679
the table under item three correct um so

588
00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:16,880
that money for admin and legal insurance

589
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,679
consulting that's coming from where?

590
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:22,480
Well, that'll come from future surplus

591
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,000
or whatever to allocate. We're not I'm

592
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,840
not saying bump it all up now and apply

593
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,840
money to it. I'm saying we should set an

594
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,159
optimal level now and then over the next

595
00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:32,080
5 10 years we'll just add a little bit

596
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,559
to them. Okay. If there's surplus or

597
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:36,640
available. Great. Thank you very much.

598
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,720
Okay.

599
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,200
Uh councelor Gray.

600
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,440
Thanks um councelor Donaldson through

601
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,279
the

602
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:47,520
chair. Mr. Creek. I was wondering about

603
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,520
that you pick those color reserves. We

604
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,279
heard from Gary Lamb just now about this

605
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:53,279
issue. The spread is quite amazing on

606
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:56,720
some of them. Um and I'm wondering if um

607
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,000
also whether or not some of the other

608
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,200
reserves might increase due to

609
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,720
inflation, the economy and other things

610
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,799
like that. Is that something for today

611
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:04,880
or or we pick it up pick that up another

612
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,000
day through the chair? Um yeah, when Mr.

613
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,679
Lamb brought that up. Well, that's

614
00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:11,679
probably a good idea. We could take a

615
00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:14,000
dive into actually setting minimum

616
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,840
amounts uh for a number of reserves. You

617
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,679
can see that there's absolutely nothing

618
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:19,039
indicating that the minimum would be

619
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:21,200
zero. Uh which is probably not the

620
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,559
smartest way to handle it. But at the

621
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,120
end of the day, if we needed something,

622
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,320
it would end up coming from the general

623
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,760
capital reserve um in order to finish

624
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,000
off whatever project that we do have.

625
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,760
But we I can certainly take a further

626
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,840
look into that and come back with a a

627
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,840
revised optimal number and minimum level

628
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,000
for each reserve.

629
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,279
Thanks for the chair. I think that would

630
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,760
be a helpful exercise simply to get

631
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,840
fresh eyes on the package as a whole.

632
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,320
Actually do appreciate that Mr. Creep.

633
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,120
The other question I had um we heard a

634
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,960
few people referring to the

635
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,559
um parkland acquisition reserve and am I

636
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:02,080
correct in saying that that's that's

637
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,799
built in a certain way but the surpluses

638
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:07,840
can't necessarily be applied to it so

639
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,640
through the chair um it's not that we

640
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,320
can't apply money to it it's just been

641
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,880
the policy of the district previously to

642
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,520
only apply money to that preserve by

643
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,840
selling parkland or getting fundsirect

644
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,279
directly from the province for that

645
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:24,360
reserve. Um there's nothing that

646
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,039
prevents council from indicating, hey,

647
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:28,559
we should throw some money in there uh

648
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:31,200
to actually increase it because as she

649
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,159
indicated and you see all we're doing is

650
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:35,919
earning interest on it and so it's

651
00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:37,600
increasing at a pretty slow clip and

652
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,600
that's going to slow down for 2025

653
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,799
certainly. But there's nothing stopping

654
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:45,760
you from allocating.

655
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,880
So through the chair, is that a written

656
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,559
reser a written policy or is it

657
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:52,159
something that's been done on the fly?

658
00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:54,799
Through the chair, it's it's basic it's

659
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:56,480
a written policy that you would only

660
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,720
take money from parkland sales, but

661
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,640
there's nothing saying it prevents you

662
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,840
from allocating a surplus to it. Thank

663
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,760
you, Council Shook.

664
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,120
Thank you, Councelor Donaldson. Through

665
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,159
you to Mr. Creek.

666
00:29:11,159 --> 00:29:13,440
Um, thank you. Another question on the

667
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,120
Parkland reserve, parkland acquisition

668
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,720
reserve. If there was um an opportunity

669
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,320
that came our way, is there anything

670
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,720
preventing us from possibly pulling

671
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,600
money from the general capital reserve

672
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,760
in the future if we and putting it into

673
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,360
the parkland acquisition reserve or

674
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,760
using those funds for an acquisition if

675
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,640
we decide through the chair? No, you

676
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,840
could certainly do that. You just have

677
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,760
to pass a motion here. Gotcha. If you

678
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,039
want to move money from the general

679
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,120
capital reserve into Parkland

680
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,039
acquisition reserve. Okay. And you know

681
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,600
speaking personally, I'm I I don't think

682
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,039
I'm in favor of um adding more money to

683
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:59,080
the parkland reserve at this time.

684
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,440
Um, one of the big reasons is is we are

685
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,559
going through the parks and trails

686
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:03,919
master plan and I think we are going to

687
00:30:03,919 --> 00:30:07,919
be touching on um some of the parcels in

688
00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:11,120
Machos that the district owns but are

689
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,640
not as yet used for park purposes and

690
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,039
there may be opportunities there to um

691
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,000
to to to bump up the fund. But more than

692
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,279
anything, I think we have to have an

693
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:26,080
um a line toward an actual project. So,

694
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,480
but um as one of the speakers mentioned

695
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,640
earlier that that the fund isn't really

696
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,480
at a level right now that we can act on,

697
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,440
but um getting it there I think uh we we

698
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,120
probably have a little need a little bit

699
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,360
more rigor and process before we kind of

700
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,360
bump it up and hopefully bump it up with

701
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,679
purpose. So,

702
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:46,559
yes,

703
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:47,990
go ahead, Mr.

704
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:49,120
[Music]

705
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,480
Oh, um I I don't have much else to say.

706
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,640
So, we have questions. Yeah, just a

707
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,880
different question. Of course, we're all

708
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,320
aware that the um steering committee and

709
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,320
our staff are working on the fireh hall

710
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,320
um question whether or not replacements

711
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,640
needed or fixing it up or whatever. And

712
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,200
I wondered what um reserve would that

713
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,039
come out of the building replacement

714
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:13,760
reserve and or the cap general capital

715
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,960
reserve if we were to

716
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,799
proceed through the chair. Um, so yeah,

717
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:20,559
it would start with the building uh

718
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:24,080
replacement reserve. Uh, and then you

719
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,360
could end up using money from that

720
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,200
growing communities fund uh that the

721
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,679
province gave to the district last year.

722
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:31,039
Uh, that money does have to be used

723
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:33,840
within the next four years now or

724
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,320
actually think we're down to three down

725
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,440
to has to be used by 2028. Uh, and then

726
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,600
you also end up using general capital

727
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,320
reserve.

728
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,080
Thank you.

729
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,640
[Music]

730
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,960
um through you councelor Johnson. Um Mr.

731
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,960
McFerson earlier mentioned the

732
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,279
possibility of a new purchase of a a

733
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:01,360
firet truck next year and um interesting

734
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,039
comments about you know the insurance

735
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,840
demands and I'm not at all too

736
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,919
insightful on those but the one thing

737
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:10,960
that I I believe we've encountered in

738
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,880
the past is the fact that we strike semi

739
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,279
early with equipment we know we will

740
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,000
need in the future um allows us to

741
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000
actually realize some savings because as

742
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,679
we know And as we've seen with this

743
00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:26,320
district, the longer you put things off,

744
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,679
the more expensive they are to become

745
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:32,159
seen that with certain bridge fireall is

746
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:34,159
going to be a big example here. But I

747
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:35,919
just wonder if I could ask you, Mr.

748
00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:37,679
Creek, do you have any insights into

749
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:40,960
that? So through the chair, uh, no,

750
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,799
you're you're right on that regard in

751
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:44,960
that pretty much anything that we're

752
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,519
going to need in three years, it's like

753
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:49,120
if you aren't buying now, you are going

754
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,120
to be saving a decent amount of money on

755
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,440
it. uh we just don't know exactly how

756
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,960
much, but everything is just going to

757
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,399
keep getting more expensive, especially

758
00:32:56,399 --> 00:32:58,880
in relation to automobiles, vehicles,

759
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,519
that type of thing. There might be some

760
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:04,399
savings. Um if the next administration

761
00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:08,320
in the US removes the tariffs, uh that's

762
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,440
debatable. Like last time uh President

763
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,640
Trump was in there, he set tariffs on a

764
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,039
number of countries and then when

765
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:18,480
President Biden showed up, he didn't

766
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,720
remove any of them and they just kept

767
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,039
going and now Mr. Trump's back and

768
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:24,799
doubling up, tripling up on everything.

769
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:28,000
So whether or not anybody removes him, I

770
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,880
have no idea. But certainly, I would bet

771
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,960
you dollars and donuts that yes, it's

772
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,080
going to be more expensive in the

773
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,240
future. Uh, I've been looking into some

774
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,000
other financing options for these types

775
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,080
of things, too. Uh, so that we don't

776
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,440
actually have to pay like the $500,000

777
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,600
upfront. We'd end up with a operating

778
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,679
lease in order to acquire the equipment.

779
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:50,240
Now, we pay for a little bit every

780
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,000
month, every year. Uh, so then we get to

781
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,840
save and invest 500,000, pay 30 $40,000

782
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,120
in the first year. We still earn

783
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,120
interest. uh we still get the use of the

784
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,120
vehicle without having to deal with the

785
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,360
ramifications of inflation catching up

786
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,399
after three five years.

787
00:34:07,399 --> 00:34:10,000
So certainly certainly something we can

788
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,280
think about and I'll I'll talk about

789
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,879
once I get more information from the

790
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:17,829
company I'm working with

791
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:19,359
council

792
00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:21,679
and through the chair then again Mr. Mr.

793
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,040
Creek, I wondered if we might just talk

794
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,960
a little bit about this the fire hall

795
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,639
question. We've got um the building

796
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:32,000
replacement reserve on hand and I think

797
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,320
you're suggesting that we put $200,000

798
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,520
in there. So that would lift that

799
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,079
reserve to 3.87 million.

800
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,839
Um if that doesn't do it, then we turn

801
00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:43,919
to growing communities fund which has a

802
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:48,679
couple of million looks like.

803
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:53,280
Um presently it's at 2.6 66 million and

804
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,159
then the general capital

805
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,440
reserve. So there might or might not be

806
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,160
the funds we need for a fireh hall, but

807
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,480
you know combining all those reserves

808
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,000
depending on the ultimate cost. I don't

809
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,520
know if we have any ideas at the moment

810
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,200
about the cost of a new building might

811
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,760
be.

812
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,160
Um we've also

813
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,320
um got your report to us talking about

814
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,160
how we're short on money to replace our

815
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,200
assets. So, we've got a big um

816
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,200
potentially if if things go in the

817
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,440
direction some are thinking about the

818
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,920
big fire hole project, uh then we're

819
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,599
short um I think your report said we're

820
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:31,640
$672,000 to replace our assets that need

821
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,680
repairing when they need replacing

822
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,240
rather. And you gave us two options. One

823
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,839
was when the time comes we go into debt.

824
00:35:38,839 --> 00:35:43,520
Um we reduce services. Um or and then

825
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,000
the other option reduce services take on

826
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,440
debt. And then the other option was that

827
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,520
we put some money aside each year to

828
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,680
build up our reserves because we're

829
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,040
short. Um and I think that was a good

830
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,359
report that gave you gave to us combined

831
00:35:57,359 --> 00:35:58,880
with your other report on future costs

832
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,560
and taxations which have given quite a

833
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,240
fright to a lot of people about the

834
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:05,119
ongoing costs that we're facing. And so

835
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:06,560
the idea of being prudent with our

836
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,240
finances is kind of critical at this

837
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,960
juncture. And it's my view that the use

838
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,440
of the reserves should be done

839
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,160
carefully. Um we've got that. Your

840
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,440
proposal here is $300,000 into the

841
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,520
general capital, 200 into the building

842
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,800
replacement. We also talked previously

843
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,359
about adding 1% of the taxes this year

844
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:29,839
in order to fund to build up our well

845
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:31,280
new I guess it be a new reserve fund, an

846
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,119
asset replacement fund or something like

847
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:34,599
that.

848
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:38,320
Um, so council, that's not in our

849
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,920
documents at the moment, this additional

850
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,839
1% to get us set us up correctly. As we

851
00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:45,200
know, we're spending money from our

852
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,079
reserves at the moment. And so it makes

853
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:49,440
me think that we should be thinking

854
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,480
about that additional 1% um on our tax

855
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,079
bill this year. The alternative to that,

856
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:57,680
you know, if we did take care, you know,

857
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,240
going forward, then we would then

858
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:01,200
there's a variety of things that we

859
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,480
could cut from our budget. I think we

860
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,200
can easily get to to get that 1% to to

861
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,440
make the future look good. Um, we can

862
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,119
talk about that maybe when you're we get

863
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,680
to the budget aspect of things, but I

864
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,820
wanted to introduce it now.

865
00:37:14,820 --> 00:37:16,960
[Music]

866
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,160
Any other comments? Committee?

867
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,390
[Music]

868
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,960
Yeah. Um, I'd like to speak in favor of

869
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,839
adding more to the parkland acquisition

870
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:32,480
reserve. Um this is not something that

871
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,640
we would use this term, maybe not even

872
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,880
next term. Uh but um it is for for the

873
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,560
future. Um but it also signifies and

874
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,920
signals that we are uh serious about

875
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,480
conservation and and

876
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:54,320
um canopied areas uh for preservation.

877
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,880
Uh so uh I don't want to throw that off

878
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,320
the table completely um because I I

879
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,040
think it it signals that that this

880
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,640
council is interested in in conservation

881
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,720
in general and in and interested in

882
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:12,960
helping out future generations towards

883
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,300
this.

884
00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:19,760
[Music]

885
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,160
Okay, good points. Any other com

886
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,480
council? If I can through the chair ask

887
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,960
Mr. Creek about the PILT that's the um

888
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,720
payment in le of taxes we get from the

889
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:31,119
federal government. We've got that

890
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:32,640
what's called the PILT or it's called

891
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,440
the revenue shortfall reserve and in the

892
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,520
notes you mentioned Mary Hill but I

893
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,560
think we also get PILT for section 95 25

894
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,400
and 28

895
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,200
um and those the income there would be

896
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,960
lost in the future and I'm not sure um

897
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,320
Mr. Creek, I know, you know, you've been

898
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,599
looking at all the stuff and thank you

899
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:52,880
so much for all of the work you're

900
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,440
putting in. Um, but I wonder if we've

901
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,599
modeled the estimated annual tax

902
00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:59,520
increase that we'll expect once we lose

903
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,880
that income over different time periods.

904
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,560
I don't know the work that was done for

905
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,440
the RCMP reserve, but that idea of

906
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,760
causing a gentle increase in taxes when

907
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,839
we get a big hit, in this case, a loss

908
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:13,839
of revenue. I think it might be

909
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:16,560
worthwhile to um I don't know that we

910
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,480
need to take action today on it, but I

911
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,560
would certainly appreciate some idea of

912
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,280
what what kind of money we've got there

913
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,040
and how that might help us in the

914
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,880
future. Is that something you might be

915
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,760
able to take on

916
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,400
through the chair? Um yeah, we should be

917
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,720
able to do that. It's not a problem. Um,

918
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:36,480
so when I was calculating everything was

919
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,240
based on Mary Hill land itself and what

920
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,920
we were collecting from them, uh, which

921
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,040
was I think it was about $148,000 a

922
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,839
year. And right now we've in that

923
00:39:49,839 --> 00:39:52,480
revenue shortfall reserve I think is

924
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,400
just under half a million dollars or so.

925
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,800
Um, which would equate to just over

926
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,680
three years worth of revenue. So that

927
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,280
that would be able to spread it over

928
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,079
that amount of time. Um right now like

929
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:09,440
projected in that 25 to 29 budget I'm

930
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,119
showing that it starts basically

931
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:14,160
disappears in 2028. Uh and then we're

932
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,119
looking at it was about a 5% tax

933
00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:21,440
5.26% tax increase for that year.

934
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,760
Although um reviewing the numbers when I

935
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,839
was talking to some other CFOs in the

936
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:29,680
area, it's like I was we had a lower tax

937
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,839
increase in the year prior. So it's

938
00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:33,599
probably going to smooth that out. We're

939
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,359
year before was going to bump up from

940
00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:38,400
two and a half to 3.75 and then making

941
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,200
3.75 for that year then be three and a

942
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,079
half the following year

943
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:46,000
2029. But I could I could come up with a

944
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,240
little report for you and show a greater

945
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,800
detail for you. Would that be okay with

946
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,640
council if Mr. Creek did that? I think

947
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,079
it would be help us understand that

948
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:56,319
transition is a pretty important one.

949
00:40:56,319 --> 00:40:59,319
Yeah, good point. Well,

950
00:40:59,319 --> 00:41:02,240
then just for clarification uh through

951
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:05,040
the chair uh to our CFO, do we receive

952
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,359
Pilts on uh section 9525 and 28? I don't

953
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:11,680
think we do. Do we do chair? I would

954
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,000
have to check that final deduction what

955
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,599
that land is like. Nothing striking me

956
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,560
would be but I think it was just the DND

957
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,079
or the former DND lands. Okay. But I I

958
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:26,400
could stand corrected having to get some

959
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,880
more information from Council Gray in

960
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,240
regards to that land just to make sure

961
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:31,839
we are collecting it on that if we

962
00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:36,550
aren't.

963
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,200
Council Gray. Yeah, that was a question

964
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,359
for me too just to find out and then

965
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:44,560
build from there. the I wondered about

966
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,000
um looking perhaps I'm jumping from the

967
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,319
the reserves to the talk later but um we

968
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:53,760
were looking forward to a roads

969
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,680
management plan and I see the you know

970
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,880
we've paid somebody for a roads

971
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,240
management plan but we haven't seen it

972
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,640
yet here and we've got a number of

973
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,119
things on the schedule for next year

974
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:07,200
um the uh Happy Valley Road to Leaffield

975
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,760
Road and I think it's a paving there the

976
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,560
Flesh Road bridge possibly the Neil

977
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,480
cover c coververt replacements the next

978
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,680
year and I'm just wondering um what

979
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,520
comfort we can have as a council if we

980
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,319
approve the proposal without having a

981
00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:23,920
plan whether or not we're covering off

982
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,440
the most important um

983
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,829
um road road repairs

984
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:35,560
so through the chair um I know Chief

985
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,720
Payet was

986
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:40,319
arranging that uh the consultant who

987
00:42:40,319 --> 00:42:41,680
made up the asset management report to

988
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,760
do a present presentation. Not too sure

989
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,920
exactly what happened to it. Thought we

990
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:46,960
were supposed to be going for that

991
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,359
sometime in March here, but basically at

992
00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:50,560
the end of it, so I got to imagine

993
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,680
they're going to be showing up in April

994
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,240
to give you greater detail on exactly

995
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:58,000
what was laid out. Um, and then him

996
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,400
along with public work supervisor Mr.

997
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,880
Watkins will be able to provide greater

998
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,440
detail on it

999
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,440
as them how much should we book and go

1000
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,440
from there.

1001
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,960
That's through the chair. I think that

1002
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,160
would be helpful to have that

1003
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,839
information in order that when we

1004
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:16,400
approve this financial plan, we actually

1005
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,920
have the meat behind it to understand

1006
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,319
it. I guess I'm also looking at the

1007
00:43:20,319 --> 00:43:23,440
issue of the outy years and they're

1008
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,440
blank. um 2027 2028 um

1009
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,960
sorry page

1010
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,119
um there's some money for Culver

1011
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:34,880
placeholders you just said you know 50

1012
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,520
grand a year but I'm concerned that the

1013
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,760
find five-year financial plan be it be

1014
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,160
um how shall I say informed by the roads

1015
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,319
management plan uh that we get a look at

1016
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:46,160
so that we can we actually have an idea

1017
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,440
what's coming rather than zeros because

1018
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,200
I I expect there will be money spent

1019
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,790
every year on the roads

1020
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,960
through the chair. Uh so I put in a

1021
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,720
placeholder for the roads of half a

1022
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:02,319
million dollars a year um to to do going

1023
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:04,480
forward. And so with the culverts

1024
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,560
themselves, like discussing that with

1025
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,960
the public works supervisor, it was

1026
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,480
they're going to work on the culverts

1027
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,319
that were going to be on the roads that

1028
00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:13,839
were going to be repaired in the

1029
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:15,520
following year. So they're going to do

1030
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,400
those, get them ready for the paving,

1031
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,400
and then kind of work through that for

1032
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,800
the next five years.

1033
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,480
It was more replaceers. I didn't get the

1034
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,960
actual names of each road for the next

1035
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,040
five years to put into the the financial

1036
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,040
plan itself through the chair. Thanks. I

1037
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,839
see that now that's the patching. Um but

1038
00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:36,319
I guess no money for paving. At any

1039
00:44:36,319 --> 00:44:38,160
rate, I think that it would be helpful

1040
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:44,010
to have that plan before we approve this

1041
00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:46,920
[Music]

1042
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,400
plan. Councelor Shuken.

1043
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,599
So, um, thank you, Council Johnson

1044
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:57,839
through you. Um, so Council Gray is, um,

1045
00:44:57,839 --> 00:45:01,520
asking for something that's fairly

1046
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,480
complicated in a way and will probably

1047
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,160
interfere with the time, not interfere,

1048
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,079
but it'll complicate your timelines to

1049
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:11,760
get this approved. Do you think that we

1050
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,400
can have that information and move ahead

1051
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,560
with the budget on schedule?

1052
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:19,880
through the

1053
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,839
chair. Top of my head, I I doubt it. No.

1054
00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:26,560
Unless we have some special meetings uh

1055
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,040
come up in April and we actually get

1056
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,200
that consultant to show up in the next

1057
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,680
two weeks,

1058
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:37,480
then I don't see how that would fit.

1059
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:38,960
[Music]

1060
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,880
Our deputy corporate officer has a

1061
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,480
comment.

1062
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,079
Uh just through the chair, the

1063
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,319
consultant is scheduled, I believe, for

1064
00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:49,800
the April 28th meeting. That would not

1065
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,119
give past enough time to to have the

1066
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:57,200
bylaws read and adopted. Okay. Okay.

1067
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,960
Thank you. So, I I I can see councelor

1068
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,240
Gray's point to a point, but one thing I

1069
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:07,079
just want to clarify though

1070
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:10,160
is we have a schedule, a depreciation

1071
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,079
schedule. we knock basically a million

1072
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:14,800
dollars off the um the operating budget

1073
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,040
and put it into capital for future

1074
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,520
projects. So there is some flexibility

1075
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,640
that we have if um in terms of building

1076
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,079
a new road uh road repair road

1077
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:28,960
resurfacing schedule as I understand it

1078
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,319
and I I guess my question is is that

1079
00:46:32,319 --> 00:46:35,440
true like do we have some flexibility?

1080
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,839
Can we move ahead with um projects and

1081
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:39,599
if we see that they're not sound or fit

1082
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:43,119
within the plan we can adapt is through

1083
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:44,960
the chair. Yeah. Like so but we know

1084
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,599
what we're going to be doing in 2025. Uh

1085
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:48,599
and

1086
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:50,960
then we go through this process every

1087
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,800
year um thankfully or unthankfully. So

1088
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,800
all the projects for 26, 27, 28, 29, um

1089
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,119
you'll you'll end up seeing those come

1090
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:03,520
this November, December, January to

1091
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,040
approve those. Whether or not you want

1092
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,280
to do which roads just kind of like the

1093
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,800
the first time we brought these these

1094
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,800
roads up for 2025 was there's a list of

1095
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,560
six of them and we're like, "Okay, we

1096
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:15,839
don't need to do this one. We don't need

1097
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:17,280
to do that one. Let's put that one off

1098
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,640
for a year. Put that one off for a

1099
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,280
year." um you'll be able to do that

1100
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,280
fully for 26 27 28

1101
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,040
29 but we we should really push forward

1102
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,000
with okay we know what we're doing for

1103
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,800
2025 that one set the next four years

1104
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,079
totally understand well you want to know

1105
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:36,800
exactly what's going to be going into it

1106
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,640
but we've we've got some placeholders

1107
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,480
for the funding uh there is money

1108
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,560
available for those projects either

1109
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,680
through a gas tax our road reserve is

1110
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,000
quite adequate to fill in these minor

1111
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,800
projects 3.8 million. Uh so we've got

1112
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,800
plenty of money to do whatever does come

1113
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:58,069
up in the short term.

1114
00:47:58,079 --> 00:47:59,920
Good. Thank you for that. And uh

1115
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,400
fortunately we do have some historical

1116
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,640
data to fall back on as well. As as much

1117
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,400
as we're trying to get away from, you

1118
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,800
know, that schedule, it still is history

1119
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,680
that is useful. And with the uh report

1120
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,240
coming up in the next month, that will

1121
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:18,079
all um help us uh go forward. Thank you

1122
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:22,349
for

1123
00:48:22,359 --> 00:48:25,520
that. Okay. So, uh any other questions

1124
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,960
on this part of the

1125
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,839
budget? Okay.

1126
00:48:30,839 --> 00:48:33,839
So, so the recommendation is that the

1127
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:36,079
committee receive the report of 2024

1128
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,720
reserve balances for information and

1129
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,040
that the committee recommend to council

1130
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,359
that the optimum levels of the following

1131
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:46,319
reserves be changed as follows. um and

1132
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:49,040
they are listed here. And that the

1133
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,280
following amounts be transferred to or

1134
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,160
from the specific reserves as stated in

1135
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,990
the chart below.

1136
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,559
Okay. No, I I would move those

1137
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:01,880
recommendations.

1138
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,480
Okay. Moved by councelor Shukin, second

1139
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,440
by councelor. All in favor? Carried.

1140
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,510
Thank

1141
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,079
you. All right. So, we'll go to page 19,

1142
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:18,079
staff report on the 202025 to 2029 draft

1143
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:21,040
5-year financial plan. And Mr. Freak, if

1144
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,640
you could present that for us now.

1145
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,119
Thank you. Through the chair. Okay. So,

1146
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:28,880
this is

1147
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,359
um the 2025 2029 draft financial plan.

1148
00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:36,000
After our meeting on February 11th, uh

1149
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,760
there's a few more items that came up

1150
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,119
and need to be changed. um part of those

1151
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:44,319
uh four is BC BC Hydro both said what

1152
00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:45,599
their rates increases were going to be

1153
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:49,079
for 2025. Uh BC Hydro also added in

1154
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:52,079
2026 and then uh because of the carbon

1155
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,319
tax being eliminated on April 1st. Uh I

1156
00:49:54,319 --> 00:49:56,240
adjusted the fuel cost for the public

1157
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:58,280
works department and fire

1158
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,480
department didn't save us a whole lot of

1159
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,319
money but just a little bit. Uh, and

1160
00:50:03,319 --> 00:50:06,440
then also since then,

1161
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,640
um, I guess based on what happened at

1162
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,400
the February 11th meeting, so the Ecom

1163
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,079
911 costs, uh, council was good to say,

1164
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:15,920
let's use the reserve money that we

1165
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,079
saved in 2024, apply that against the

1166
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:21,520
next five years of EOP costs, $60,000 a

1167
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,000
year. We increased the budget for the

1168
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,800
youth parliament by $1,000 to support

1169
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,520
two youth attendees. Uh and then the

1170
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,359
Duke roadies trail parks and trail

1171
00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:33,280
master plan. Both help with uh funding

1172
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,000
for the gas tax reserve. Uh the school

1173
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,599
capital budget, we increased that for

1174
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,800
$5,000 to replace the um accessibility

1175
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,280
door kind of near the front. It's a bit

1176
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,680
malfunctioning right now. Uh and then

1177
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,599
public work staffing was approved for an

1178
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:49,480
additional full-time

1179
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,800
employee. Uh we also received new uh 1%

1180
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,559
utility revenue projections from BC

1181
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,280
Hydro. Uh so that increase there to help

1182
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,270
us out a little bit

1183
00:50:58,270 --> 00:50:59,960
[Music]

1184
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:02,319
more. Uh and then I had a bit of a

1185
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:04,640
payroll correction uh based on the wage

1186
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,359
that was being paid to the operations

1187
00:51:06,359 --> 00:51:08,640
officer. Uh and so that ended up

1188
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,839
increasing that budget a little

1189
00:51:10,839 --> 00:51:14,160
bit. Overall with all of those impacts

1190
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,119
uh being taking place, the total

1191
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:19,280
increase uh in taxes for the average

1192
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,680
residential taxpayer is estimated to be

1193
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,960
$56.29 a year.

1194
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,200
Uh that might change slightly when we

1195
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,280
get the final numbers from BC assessment

1196
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,240
uh on Monday, but it shouldn't be too

1197
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,839
big of a change. Uh now that does not

1198
00:51:34,839 --> 00:51:39,440
include anybody else, BC Transit or CRD

1199
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,720
or possible school or anybody else but

1200
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:46,280
just the cost for us it'll be

1201
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,400
$5629. So about the average resident

1202
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,520
paid about $1,500 last

1203
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,549
year$1540 or just under

1204
00:51:57,559 --> 00:52:00,400
$1,600. So any questions in regard to

1205
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,630
this

1206
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,079
gray through the chair, Mr. Creek, what

1207
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:10,559
would that end up being then? You know,

1208
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:12,000
folks are interested in the percentages.

1209
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,040
So the municipal tax without police and

1210
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,599
ecom, do you have a number for that?

1211
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:19,280
through the chair without police and

1212
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,280
ecom. Yeah, just

1213
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,599
oh I think it was like two point 2.73 or

1214
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:29,430
2.37

1215
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:31,119
[Music]

1216
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:34,480
was 2.9 I think the police was 2.9 I

1217
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,880
think uh is it please 2.9% increase

1218
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,040
based on the

1219
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,200
police budget right like the overall

1220
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,800
increase sure is 3.65%

1221
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,440
65%. So that's with ecom, police, and

1222
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,440
the district all wrapped up. 3.65 is the

1223
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,599
tax increase for the district. Correct.

1224
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:59,280
So it's um each one of those percentages

1225
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,440
uh cost the average residential taxpayer

1226
00:53:03,450 --> 00:53:04,520
[Music]

1227
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:09,319
$14.33. So take the 3.65 times by

1228
00:53:09,319 --> 00:53:14,549
$14.33 should come up to 569.

1229
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:17,119
Thank you.

1230
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:18,720
Not so sure. Can you have a comment?

1231
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:23,760
Yeah. Um through you. So, Mr. Creek, um

1232
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,760
thanks. That's a a wonderful number to

1233
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,640
hear, but I I just want to clarify that

1234
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,359
um I I thought we had discussed earlier

1235
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:33,359
like the average residential increase

1236
00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:36,640
was about 5%. Am I and I think maybe

1237
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,839
that's missing from is it that includes

1238
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:42,079
Sorry, that number would include ecom.

1239
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:45,200
Am I taking or three chair? Correct. So

1240
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:46,960
that 5% that we were talking about

1241
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,240
before um after doing the final review

1242
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:51,680
on everything putting in the tax

1243
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,400
calculator like we got it down to this

1244
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,960
amount. Okay. My initial calculation

1245
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,520
wasn't including the non-market growth

1246
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,000
which helped out lowering that dollar

1247
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,800
value.

1248
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,720
Okay. So yeah went went from just over

1249
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:09,240
five to down

1250
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:12,530
3.65. Wow.

1251
00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:13,640
[Music]

1252
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,680
Wow. Sorry. Wow. Thank you. Sounds

1253
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,520
great.

1254
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,760
There's lots more to talk about, but on

1255
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:22,520
that

1256
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,280
point, we council made a decision not

1257
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,359
too long ago to say, "Let's not do ecom

1258
00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:28,960
this year. We better soften the blow

1259
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,000
because the taxes be too high." Um, I

1260
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,319
oppose that. So, I can't um I don't

1261
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:36,640
think I'm permitted to ask to reconsider

1262
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,480
that, but I wonder if council would like

1263
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,040
to reconsider that that um decision. We

1264
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,040
were thinking that the tax rate was much

1265
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,559
higher at the time if it's 3.65. The

1266
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:48,480
point here being that everybody knows

1267
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,160
ecom costs are on us and

1268
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,480
um and uh we delay it. If we delay it,

1269
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:55,920
then we'll have to it's just deferring

1270
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,839
it. It's not it's not making it go away

1271
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:00,079
or anything like that. Um, and should we

1272
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:01,839
be deferring it if we have a such a low

1273
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:04,319
tax rate this year? A question for

1274
00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:06,559
others to think of, but um, you know, my

1275
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:08,400
view on it would be to take it now and

1276
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,710
and deal with

1277
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:14,160
it. I'm thinking about the uncertainty

1278
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,520
out there, how costs are going to be

1279
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,440
rising, all the troubles we don't know

1280
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,280
are going to be happening to us. And my

1281
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:20,960
argument previously was, let's get it

1282
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,520
done. Um, so we've got money in the bank

1283
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:30,069
for what might be heady our way.

1284
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:33,160
Um, thank you, Councelor Donaldson. To

1285
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,640
to councelor Gray's point, um, yeah,

1286
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,000
sorry, I shouldn't be too exuberant. Um,

1287
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,640
the one thing I will say though is that

1288
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,200
we have had sizable increases over the

1289
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,680
last two years. And this is a delight to

1290
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,280
hear that it's low in upon like relative

1291
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,400
to the last two years. Uh I I think I

1292
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,559
want to give significant credit to Mr.

1293
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:02,880
Payet and Mr. Creek and um I I think we

1294
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,640
should continue with the course ahead

1295
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,920
using that reserve to offset E911. This

1296
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,000
is the kind of thing that that sometimes

1297
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,920
these reserves are used for is the

1298
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,000
surprises that come our way. So um I'm

1299
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,119
sort of uh supportive of maintaining

1300
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:22,480
course. So I just and I yeah that's

1301
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,000
subject to the rule of the table of

1302
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,240
course but okay councelor do you have

1303
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:28,559
any comments on this? Yeah I also agree

1304
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:30,559
with uh with the plan that we have right

1305
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:36,160
now continuing with that. Thank you Mel.

1306
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,440
Yeah I concur. Thank you. Okay. Thank

1307
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,440
you. Councelor Gray you have another

1308
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,240
comment? Sure. I wondered we have some

1309
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,200
pretty hefty increases um in in budgets

1310
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,480
and I wonder it's you know we didn't um

1311
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,480
have a good look at it but if we're down

1312
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,960
that low that means we've made some cuts

1313
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,839
and is there any way to summarize where

1314
00:56:57,839 --> 00:56:59,799
we've made all the cuts to pay for the

1315
00:56:59,799 --> 00:57:02,960
increases through the chair or is it

1316
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,160
simply going through the sheets and

1317
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,060
trying to figure it out

1318
00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:07,200
[Music]

1319
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,839
through the chair

1320
00:57:08,839 --> 00:57:13,359
um cuts there there are some Um there's

1321
00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:16,240
had definitely some budget surpluses

1322
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,640
related to public works that got trimmed

1323
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,280
back even with the additional public

1324
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,839
works staff being added in there. Uh and

1325
00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:26,160
then I would say a good chunk of this is

1326
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,960
coming from the revenue side. So the way

1327
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,599
that the pill was being budgeted for u

1328
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:33,119
was basically based on what you're

1329
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:35,839
collecting back in 2022

1330
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:37,760
um rather than what you're collecting in

1331
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,799
23 or 24. uh well certainly what we're

1332
00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:44,400
expecting in 2025. So that help bring

1333
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,680
down the tax increase uh where rather

1334
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,440
than just leaving it to a surplus at the

1335
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,040
end of the year now we're saying okay

1336
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,359
let's not have a not have a $100,000

1337
00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:55,839
surplus coming from pills we use that to

1338
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:57,839
actually reduce our property taxes for

1339
00:57:57,839 --> 00:58:00,240
the residents here rather than just

1340
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,799
storing it up in another surplus. So the

1341
00:58:02,799 --> 00:58:04,680
surplus that we saw in

1342
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,990
2024 not going to happen unless some

1343
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:10,839
some

1344
00:58:10,839 --> 00:58:13,359
unknown thing happens that everybody

1345
00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:14,720
stops working and we don't have to pay

1346
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,839
anybody. But going forward, we're not

1347
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:19,520
we're not going to see this 800,000

1348
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,440
again because one, the interest rates

1349
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,760
aren't going to be there. Two, the RCMP

1350
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,920
charges are going to be increasing. Uh

1351
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,680
three, basically gobbled up the built

1352
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,680
surplus. So those three things combined,

1353
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,480
it's like over $600,000 of that surplus.

1354
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,799
So it's

1355
00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:41,359
by using that. So we're we didn't really

1356
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:44,640
cut a whole lot. It was more massaging

1357
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,720
the revenue to actually get to actuals

1358
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,440
rather than low budget. Thank you. And

1359
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,040
that's not dissimilar to last year when

1360
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,799
it was our investments had done so well

1361
00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:54,799
and that's what kept our tax rate lower

1362
00:58:54,799 --> 00:58:56,720
than it would have been otherwise. But I

1363
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,079
wonder then just hearing what you're

1364
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,160
saying this will be up the other thing

1365
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,680
will be up. The third thing will be up.

1366
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,200
Council I hope you heard that. So when

1367
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,200
the PILT you know kicks in we may have a

1368
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:06,799
lot other costs that we'll have to face

1369
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:10,160
now much higher tax rate.

1370
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,799
Council have you had a comment?

1371
00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:15,280
Um yeah I think uh since Mr. Creek

1372
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,359
arrived. This is the first time the

1373
00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:20,599
district has had a full-time

1374
00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:23,520
financial person doing it. And I think

1375
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,599
uh you know I think it's it's made a lot

1376
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,200
of difference and just smoothed out

1377
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,040
things that have have been done

1378
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,680
differently in the past. And given the

1379
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,040
information that we've had through the

1380
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,520
budget process, which has been been very

1381
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,240
clear, I think that uh you know, we just

1382
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,079
need to go with it. Have some faith that

1383
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:40,799
Mr.

1384
00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:43,760
that knows what he's doing and um and

1385
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:49,119
and allow this to proceed to the end.

1386
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:52,079
Thank you. And yeah, thank you. And and

1387
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:53,760
then I appreciate through the chair. I

1388
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,480
appreciate Mr. Creek's um vision for the

1389
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,160
future because I think this is a more

1390
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,240
honest way and this is just in my non um

1391
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,839
financial background um point of view. I

1392
01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:08,160
think it's a more honest way of taxing

1393
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,359
that um taxing for what we need, not

1394
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:13,440
taxing hoping that we'll have a surplus

1395
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,920
and then we can spend on oneoffs. But

1396
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,680
that that always seemed very odd to me

1397
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,079
that we were we were taxing at one level

1398
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,000
and we knew we were going to have a

1399
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,240
surplus and then there were all these

1400
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,599
requests for one-time um uh expenses. I

1401
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:30,400
think it's better uh to do it this way.

1402
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,480
Um, and there obviously is areas where

1403
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,240
it's buffered so that we don't, you

1404
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,720
know, if we go a dollar over tea bags,

1405
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,440
it's it's uh accounted for in the

1406
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,599
budget, but I think this is a better way

1407
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:45,040
of going and and and uh Mr. Creek does

1408
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,000
have a handle on all of the budget

1409
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,400
items, and I trust him to to um manage

1410
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,960
it and and um shepherd us through this.

1411
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,440
Thank you. I have to agree it's um it's

1412
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:00,720
been helpful for our residents to

1413
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,880
understand as well and to have the

1414
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,520
report in real time. So thanks for that

1415
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,000
work thus

1416
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,400
far councelor Shukin. Yeah, we'll we'll

1417
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,240
very much echo what uh you've just said,

1418
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,920
councelor Donaldson and you may

1419
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,640
little councelor rap. Um one little

1420
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,280
point I just want to raise. Um we have

1421
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,440
had correspondence from the bills and

1422
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,160
wershed habitat protection association

1423
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,960
about their request for

1424
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,599
uh

1425
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:34,480
$2,100 and I don't want to lose sight of

1426
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,160
that

1427
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,079
um within this process. Um, and we we

1428
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:42,640
talked about it before, but I forget

1429
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,160
where where we ended up with. So, and

1430
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,160
sorry, minor matter of bigger scheme

1431
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,359
things, but don't want to lose sight of

1432
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:50,940
it.

1433
01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:58,240
[Music]

1434
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,640
Yeah, I was a bit confused because in

1435
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,799
the past I remembered and maybe

1436
01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:05,359
councelor EP would remember this, we had

1437
01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:08,559
uh the Bilston Creek watering or uh

1438
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:11,599
water monitoring as a line item um in

1439
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:15,680
the past and um and uh I think that we

1440
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,520
should it's it's our creek. It's not

1441
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,839
just their creek. Uh I think it should

1442
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:22,000
be something that we should be uh

1443
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,559
providing every year. And so the ask

1444
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:28,799
this year is is 2150, right?

1445
01:02:28,799 --> 01:02:29,799
Yes.

1446
01:02:29,799 --> 01:02:32,079
Um there's a couple different parts to

1447
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:34,640
this. So in the past there was a

1448
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,640
monitoring program and I believe that

1449
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,240
was funds we actually paid LER to

1450
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:43,040
monitor that uh several terms ago has

1451
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,599
stopped. Um those boxes I think are

1452
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:47,040
still in place but they're not working.

1453
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,240
they're not in operation.

1454
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,599
Um, when we had the buffer lands, we

1455
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:54,599
also budgeted $20,000 for water quality

1456
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:57,839
testing. We've only spent 2,000 of that.

1457
01:02:57,839 --> 01:03:00,079
I'm not sure where it's in the budget

1458
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,559
right now for that. And this question

1459
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:06,079
came up recently when I spoke with um

1460
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:09,359
members of of the Billston uh wershed

1461
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:12,079
group if um is there interest in doing

1462
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:13,839
water quality if we have that built in

1463
01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:17,760
our budget that 18,000 from the past. So

1464
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,240
that's a question to Mr. Creek and then

1465
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,200
going forward. So that's water quality

1466
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,039
pre previously it's not been it's been

1467
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,839
water monitoring for flow two different

1468
01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:29,920
things. So certainly not to lose sight

1469
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,640
of it, especially as we're getting

1470
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,960
heavier and heavier rains and there's

1471
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,440
more construction going on in the uh

1472
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:38,760
land swap

1473
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:44,320
properties, fewer trees daily.

1474
01:03:44,330 --> 01:03:48,630
[Music]

1475
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,400
Yeah. So I think um just to remind

1476
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,799
people on December 5th of 2024 we talked

1477
01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:55,440
about uh supporting the business habitat

1478
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,720
protection association with

1479
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,400
$2150 as a one-time expense with

1480
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,200
recommendation of um Mr. Creek and that

1481
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,599
was for water quality testing. So I

1482
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:07,760
think it may be already accounted for

1483
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,920
Mr. Creek's um numbers although we can

1484
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,000
hear from him but I'm noticing that

1485
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,760
today we have a different request an

1486
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,200
additional request and we're giving it

1487
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,069
at the table for

1488
01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:21,280
another here someone else can shout it

1489
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,680
out 22 something dollars

1490
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:29,039
um oh no it's not clear here it's um um

1491
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:30,960
that the Bill wershed habitat protection

1492
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,440
association would like to put up some

1493
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,920
streamside identification signs about

1494
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,079
sensitive habitat the riparian Of

1495
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:41,520
course, um they can contribute $2,250,

1496
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,119
but I don't know if that tells us what

1497
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:47,460
they're looking for from us.

1498
01:04:47,470 --> 01:04:50,000
[Music]

1499
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:54,480
Chair. Uh so, correct. Uh this sign is

1500
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,119
an extra ask that they have. Uh now, we

1501
01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:59,920
have plenty of funding available to do

1502
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:02,359
that. Uh right now, there is

1503
01:05:02,359 --> 01:05:05,599
$6,400 related to environmental planning

1504
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:07,839
uh that we have. We have the district

1505
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:11,440
hasn't used that in 2024 or 2023 uh in

1506
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,319
actually the funding from this year um

1507
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:16,559
in the reserves. We bumped that into the

1508
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:18,720
environmental reserve uh which now has

1509
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,839
over $50,000 in it. Uh so is planning on

1510
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:23,920
using that 6,400 this year to help pay

1511
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,119
for all these Bel Creek initiatives. Uh

1512
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:29,520
and then the 20,000 that councelor

1513
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,760
Donaldson mentioned. Uh yeah, we didn't

1514
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,760
use all of it. So we rolled over those

1515
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,839
funds for the next 5 years in order to

1516
01:05:35,839 --> 01:05:42,330
pay for the mon.

1517
01:05:42,340 --> 01:05:46,950
[Music]

1518
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,319
Okay. Any any more comments on this part

1519
01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:55,119
of the So just in summary, we have

1520
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,119
allocated money for the water testing it

1521
01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:59,039
sounds like.

1522
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:03,039
Good. Okay. And in terms of the signs,

1523
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:05,839
um, we're I it sounds like we're not we

1524
01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:07,880
could do it, but we're not

1525
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,000
sure. We could do it, but we don't we're

1526
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,200
not able to action like a a specific

1527
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:16,559
proposal right now. Is it

1528
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:18,799
we do that, Mr. Chair? Yeah, you you

1529
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:20,160
totally could. Um, because right now

1530
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,680
there's nothing allocated under that

1531
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,119
6,400 has to be what it would be used

1532
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:27,599
for. You can certainly say yes, we're

1533
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:29,119
going to use that funding that we have

1534
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:31,520
in the budget right now for building

1535
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:32,599
watered.

1536
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:36,349
Yeah. Can I

1537
01:06:36,359 --> 01:06:39,440
um Well, I'm I'm I'm supportive of the

1538
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,359
signs and the watershed association. I I

1539
01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:45,599
feel like we might be better to get a

1540
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:47,760
more specific proposal from them in

1541
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,240
terms of the actual amount of money that

1542
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:51,960
they're looking for.

1543
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,680
Um and and again even even a even even a

1544
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,839
a plan in terms of where the signs are

1545
01:06:57,839 --> 01:06:59,920
going to go. I I see the map here for

1546
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:03,760
sure but how many and and what date um

1547
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,559
this has come to us just just recently.

1548
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:08,960
So I don't want to make I mean as again

1549
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:10,880
as supportive as I am I I don't want to

1550
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,119
make maybe a decision right at the table

1551
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:18,000
today again I sounds like yeah so okay

1552
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,160
so they have indicated that it's 15

1553
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,039
signs um it's not necessary that all of

1554
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:25,839
them need to be put up in one year uh so

1555
01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:27,520
those are things to think about as well

1556
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:31,680
so we could take this away and have a

1557
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,319
further discussion about it Mr.

1558
01:07:34,319 --> 01:07:36,319
through the chair. Thank you. Um, so I

1559
01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:38,960
was talking to the person that was kind

1560
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,640
of pushing that initiative, forget her

1561
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,280
name. Apologies. Um, but she was

1562
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,119
wondering what the Telespars would cost.

1563
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:47,760
Um, they they were quoted a number. Um,

1564
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,079
but she knew that as a municipal

1565
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:51,200
government, we probably get a better

1566
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,520
deal on the Telespars to put the signs

1567
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,400
on. Uh, and so when I looked at our last

1568
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,000
invoice, which was in November, for

1569
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,480
Telespar posts, uh, we were paying 197

1570
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,319
for the post in the base that goes into

1571
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:05,760
it. Um, so we're looking at about $3,000

1572
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,960
for the posts and then another $800 for

1573
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,720
the sign. So it' be 3,800. So basically

1574
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,359
covering 65 70% of the cost with their

1575
01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:18,080
contribution. The um they're looking at

1576
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:19,400
another

1577
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,239
1,300,500 bucks on the district's part

1578
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:24,719
to contribute to that. The post might

1579
01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:26,560
have gone up. Not too sure if they're

1580
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,159
part of the tariff deal because they're

1581
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:31,839
steel or but

1582
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:34,640
yeah,

1583
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,880
um I think I'd like to move that we

1584
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,120
allocate the

1585
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,799
$6400 to the Billston watershed habitat

1586
01:08:41,799 --> 01:08:44,319
association for to be used for creek

1587
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,239
cleanups, water quality testing, and

1588
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:49,159
roadside stream identification

1589
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:53,359
signs. Do we have a seconder?

1590
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:56,040
Second by Mayor Little and

1591
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,400
discussion councelor Sh. Yeah and

1592
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,080
thanks. You know what Mr. Creek has

1593
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,560
reminded me of the um the partnerships

1594
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,319
that would be in place between the

1595
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:06,640
district and Billston wershed. So um

1596
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,159
yeah I'm willing to support this as

1597
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:13,679
well. Okay councelor Gray. Yeah, just to

1598
01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:15,400
on the math.

1599
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:19,319
Um, so we we've got 21 uh

1600
01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:21,440
2150 that we talked about for water

1601
01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:26,799
monitoring and $1,500 for um the signs.

1602
01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:29,880
So that adds up to

1603
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,839
$3,650. And now we're talking about

1604
01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:33,159
committing

1605
01:09:33,159 --> 01:09:34,679
$6,400.

1606
01:09:34,679 --> 01:09:37,759
Um, and I'm just not clear why we would

1607
01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:45,110
do do that.

1608
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,040
uh councelor.

1609
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,279
Um well I just feel since we don't have

1610
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:51,759
the absolute specifics uh for everything

1611
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:53,679
I thought if that money is just

1612
01:09:53,679 --> 01:09:56,640
allocated for that and then we can as

1613
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,679
the prices come in then it can be used

1614
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:02,480
and if it isn't all used then it'll just

1615
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:05,040
be rolled over to the next year or the

1616
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,840
next

1617
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,600
time. So we work with excuse me we work

1618
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,920
within the funds that we have allocated

1619
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:17,590
in the more so work within a budget

1620
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,840
council shin and the other thing we're

1621
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,239
working with too should be the plan that

1622
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:24,960
has been put forward here today with the

1623
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:30,320
science and uh stick within that. So,

1624
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,920
okay. Any other

1625
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,640
discussion? Councilor Gray,

1626
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,040
just so we're clear, the motion wasn't

1627
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,480
up to $6,400. It was $6,400. So, that's

1628
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:46,870
what the votes about.

1629
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,070
[Music]

1630
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,440
Mayor Little, um, Councelor F, would you

1631
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:56,800
mind amending that to up to $6,400? I

1632
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,000
think that's was your intent. Sure. Yep.

1633
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,800
And so that would be okay. Uh seconded

1634
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,360
by me.

1635
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:08,189
Okay. Any further

1636
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:10,880
discussion? Okay. So the motion has been

1637
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,520
amended by councelor EP and seconded by

1638
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,510
Mayor

1639
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,199
Little. Call the question. All in

1640
01:11:20,199 --> 01:11:26,750
favor? Post by uh councelor Gray.

1641
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,840
Yeah. Is there there's no other motion?

1642
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,840
Yeah. Actually, so so we just voted on

1643
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,000
the amendment of the up to and then now

1644
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:39,430
vote on the main motion as amended.

1645
01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:42,560
Point of order. Council,

1646
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,000
I wonder if you could explain that

1647
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,080
again. I think the motion was made and

1648
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,000
amendment was agreed across the table.

1649
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,640
We weren't voting on

1650
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,080
it. Or are we voting on an amendment?

1651
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,610
Then that should be clear.

1652
01:11:54,610 --> 01:11:56,000
[Music]

1653
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:57,360
Sorry, I just I thought there was a

1654
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:58,880
friendly discussion between the mover

1655
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,560
and seconder. Okay, so we have an

1656
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,000
amendment which was to uh the motion was

1657
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,640
spent up to

1658
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,600
6,400 seconded by correct seconded by

1659
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,640
coun u mayor

1660
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:13,760
little called the question. There was

1661
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,520
one opposition. Now I go back to the

1662
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,560
original motion which is can you help me

1663
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,940
out with this um co Hansen?

1664
01:12:21,940 --> 01:12:27,510
[Music]

1665
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,960
If the intent was to um amend the

1666
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,159
motion, then the amendment is voted on

1667
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:40,760
first and then you move to the um main

1668
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,280
motion. However,

1669
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,600
um yeah, you have to decide whether that

1670
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,040
was an agreed upon amendment or just if

1671
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,920
you were just voting on voting on the

1672
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,320
amend amendment to the motion and then

1673
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,640
the main motion.

1674
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,640
Right. So, can you repeat what the main

1675
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,880
motion is then, please? So, the main

1676
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:08,560
motion the main motion was um that

1677
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,640
council allocate funding to recommend

1678
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,360
that council allocate funding in the

1679
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,560
amount of $6,400 to the Bilston

1680
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,679
watershed habitat protection association

1681
01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:24,040
for the um water quality monitoring and

1682
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:28,000
signage. And the amendment was

1683
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,830
um to add the words up to

1684
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,480
$6,400. Okay. Thank you, Council. Maybe

1685
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:38,880
we should do the whole thing again. Vote

1686
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,470
on the amendments.

1687
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:42,520
[Music]

1688
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:48,840
Okay. So So the amendment was to uh

1689
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,120
um to budget up to

1690
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:56,560
$6,400. Correct. Yeah. Okay. And and we

1691
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,760
and I think it was moved by it was moved

1692
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,000
by councelor F and it was second by

1693
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,880
Mayor Little. We called the question and

1694
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:06,719
everyone's in favor with one opposition

1695
01:14:06,719 --> 01:14:08,800
which was council. I was voting on a

1696
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:09,719
different

1697
01:14:09,719 --> 01:14:12,560
motion the amendment. No, I was voting

1698
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,080
on I thought there was an agreement.

1699
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,000
Okay. So that the motion call the

1700
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,760
question then on the amendment. Thank

1701
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,239
you. So call the question. All in

1702
01:14:21,239 --> 01:14:23,520
favor? Okay. That's all in favor. Now,

1703
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,560
we'll go back to the original. And the

1704
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,199
original motion by councelor F is that

1705
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:32,280
we will um budget

1706
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,600
for

1707
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,480
$6,400 up up to

1708
01:14:37,480 --> 01:14:40,600
$6,400. Second by Mayor

1709
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:44,920
Little. Call the question. All in favor?

1710
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,960
Opposed? Councelor Gray closes the

1711
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:55,709
motion. Thank you.

1712
01:14:55,719 --> 01:15:00,110
Okay. Next. Where are

1713
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:03,880
we? Okay.

1714
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,360
So, okay. So, we've now addressed, have

1715
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,400
we addressed fully um the correspondence

1716
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,560
we have in the package from Miss

1717
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,320
Neielson?

1718
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,000
Um

1719
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:21,120
yes. Co Hansen.

1720
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,440
Sorry, through the chair. Um, was

1721
01:15:24,440 --> 01:15:26,640
there there was you were having

1722
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,560
discussions on the five-year financial

1723
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:33,000
plan and and so were you

1724
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:37,280
going to um sorry make that motion um

1725
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,320
the recommend recommended motion

1726
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,320
or were you still having discussions?

1727
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,200
You kind of balanced. Okay.

1728
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:46,640
[Music]

1729
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,400
committee. Is there any more discussion

1730
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:52,560
for or questions for um CFO Creek on the

1731
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:57,010
five-year

1732
01:15:57,020 --> 01:15:59,080
[Music]

1733
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:03,360
plan? Councelor. Um, uh, I'll move the

1734
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,000
finance committee approve the 2025 to

1735
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,280
2029 5-year financial plan as presented

1736
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,080
and direct staff to draft the 2025 to

1737
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,520
2029 5-year financial plan and 2025

1738
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:17,520
property tax rate bylaws for

1739
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,560
consideration of the April 7th, 2025

1740
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,360
council meeting. Thank you, council.

1741
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:26,360
Seconded by Mayor Little.

1742
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,920
Questions? Council Gray, I had a

1743
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,400
question through the chair to Mr. Creek.

1744
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,040
I wondered if the

1745
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:39,310
um line item to do

1746
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,560
with it's called

1747
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,320
trail couple if that involves completing

1748
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,360
the We's Beach stairs. There's $40,000

1749
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:52,310
there

1750
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:56,400
through the sorry through the chair.

1751
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:57,760
Can you tell me which one you're looking

1752
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:58,520
at

1753
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:00,250
there? A bearing

1754
01:17:00,250 --> 01:17:11,310
[Music]

1755
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,360
straight through the chair. It's in the

1756
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,120
capital um expenditures. It's called

1757
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,159
it's under the other about mint page. Um

1758
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:21,860
trails capital improvement.

1759
01:17:21,860 --> 01:17:23,159
[Music]

1760
01:17:23,159 --> 01:17:27,120
Um, that's $10,000 there. And then

1761
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,280
there's another $40,000 in a different

1762
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,440
location. Or you can Yeah, that is under

1763
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:37,120
the recreation budget. Recreation where

1764
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,080
came in at Well, there it is. 50,000

1765
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,800
bucks for trail development. So that

1766
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,880
$50,000 includes the 40,000 that for the

1767
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:48,960
parks trails master plan and the Duke

1768
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:52,159
road study. Uh so then we'd have 10,000

1769
01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:55,600
there and 10,000 regular capital to be

1770
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,719
used towards the speech stairs prepare.

1771
01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:02,239
So dro is 20 and the master plan is 20.

1772
01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:04,719
Correct. And the we speech stairs then

1773
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:07,120
would be the remaining not that we would

1774
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,400
use it but yeah who

1775
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,560
and then there's another $10,000 then in

1776
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,000
capital expenditures. What would that be

1777
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:18,470
for

1778
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:20,040
under?

1779
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,199
Oh, whatever might be um like what

1780
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:25,920
whatever might come up and a type of

1781
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,760
repairs. Um any

1782
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,120
expansion I know public works keeps

1783
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,480
asking for using money to resurface. Uh

1784
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:36,239
there's a lot of trails that have been

1785
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:38,159
kind of overgrown that type of thing and

1786
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:40,320
it's now just a pile of mud. So they

1787
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:45,430
need money for gravel etc.

1788
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:47,120
Be sure that we don't lose touch of the

1789
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:48,960
we stairs. It may be that the solution

1790
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,800
at Wei's Beach is to naturalize it and

1791
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,880
remove some of the things that are there

1792
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:54,719
that might be at least expensive and

1793
01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:58,000
most fruitful way to go, but having so

1794
01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:59,520
many available so we could at least

1795
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:00,880
complete the one trail we've been

1796
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,679
working on might be a good idea.

1797
01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:05,840
Councelor Shuken. Um, thank you

1798
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,760
councelor Gray. As I understand it,

1799
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:11,360
there has long been a trails capital

1800
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,560
amount in there also and I think this is

1801
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,120
just what it is. um maybe put in a

1802
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:18,800
different place than in the years past,

1803
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:23,000
but there's also um a

1804
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,600
$5,000 trails and maintenance amount,

1805
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,719
which I notice has been knocked down by

1806
01:19:27,719 --> 01:19:32,480
$2,000. Um my my my friends on PAS may

1807
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:34,000
be going to be a little bit annoyed by

1808
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,320
that, but the reality is is we have not

1809
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,360
been using it all that often. Uh mainly

1810
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,080
because it's it's more uh volunteer

1811
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,480
muscle than anything. So I I just just

1812
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:46,239
again to the question of the 10,000 I

1813
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:48,239
think is the regular amount that we

1814
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:50,400
have. So you're you're quite correct and

1815
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,320
it's been 10,000 for many many years.

1816
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,719
Yeah. And it would go into things like

1817
01:19:54,719 --> 01:19:57,520
right now we have identified that Helman

1818
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,360
Trail is got ruts because of all the

1819
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,080
water and stuff. So things like that

1820
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,679
maintenance of the trails.

1821
01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:07,760
Very good. My my question was mostly

1822
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,679
about the we will we do we have the

1823
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:12,239
funds to complete the we beach trail and

1824
01:20:12,239 --> 01:20:14,560
it looks like it's there. I was anxious

1825
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,320
that seeing it's picked off with other

1826
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,480
purposes we might not have the money

1827
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:19,679
which would be an unfortunate

1828
01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:22,159
circumstance.

1829
01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:25,120
Yes, good question. Thank you.

1830
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,520
Go ahead. Maybe I can um move along to a

1831
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,120
different question which is I suppose

1832
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:35,229
also a capital one. the um or it's in

1833
01:20:35,239 --> 01:20:39,000
the discussion here about the

1834
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,199
U Flesh Road Bridge. We've got

1835
01:20:42,199 --> 01:20:46,000
$142,000 in the budget for that, but

1836
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,920
council's all seen the numbers. It's

1837
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,679
quite possibly a lot more expensive than

1838
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:51,920
that. The CEO was anxious this happened

1839
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,480
this year. What do we do if the money is

1840
01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:56,560
not there? Is it pulled from a reserve

1841
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,280
somewhere?

1842
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,719
Chair. Uh correct. it would if uh if the

1843
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:05,480
quotes on that kind of end up coming

1844
01:21:05,480 --> 01:21:07,679
back significantly higher, but we were

1845
01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:08,800
going to come back to council anyway

1846
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,239
because we got the quotes on it to find

1847
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:12,000
out what the final number was actually

1848
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,000
going to cost. Uh so then we'd actually

1849
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,880
get approval from everybody here. Uh

1850
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,199
anything over 142 would end up coming

1851
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:22,239
out of the general capital or the roads

1852
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:24,239
maintenance reserve or the gas tax

1853
01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:25,920
reserve.

1854
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,560
any any of those would fit the bill for

1855
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:32,560
using the funds. Thank you,

1856
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,120
Mar. Yeah, thank you through the chair.

1857
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:36,400
I just had a question about the

1858
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,280
municipal hall roof replacement. Uh so

1859
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,960
that's subdivided over two years,

1860
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:46,960
115,000 and 120,000 per year. Oh, I see.

1861
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,840
I just saw it. So one was 2024 and the

1862
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,960
2025 is the 120,000

1863
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,199
third year. Correct. Yeah. So, it it um

1864
01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:56,560
unfortunately we couldn't find anybody

1865
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,880
last year do it, but we had uh somebody

1866
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,080
out here yesterday or the day before

1867
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:03,920
actually come in to take a look and see

1868
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,679
what it's going to cost and what they

1869
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:07,440
can do for it. Uh so, we should be able

1870
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:08,880
to actually get that completed this

1871
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,360
year. Uh hoping for that budget of 120.

1872
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:12,880
We just added a little bit up just

1873
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:16,480
because of the extra year. So, add cost.

1874
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:17,760
So, I have a question with that, Mr.

1875
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,080
Creek. Are we also getting quotes on a

1876
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,000
tin roof as that's what most of our

1877
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,920
buildings are? because I understand that

1878
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,480
tim actually come down although I don't

1879
01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:29,920
know if the tariff is going to affect

1880
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,719
any of it right now because we have

1881
01:22:31,719 --> 01:22:34,960
stock on you know in Canada so who knows

1882
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:36,960
but are we looking at that as an option

1883
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,080
as well good question I would have to

1884
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,800
check with public works supervisor and

1885
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,000
chief on that one I don't know exactly

1886
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,600
what they were looking at and what

1887
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,320
options they were taking to consider

1888
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,719
certainly find out and get back to it it

1889
01:22:52,719 --> 01:22:54,000
would be great for us to actually have a

1890
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:55,600
comparison that especially as we're

1891
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,120
doing fire smarting and stuff although I

1892
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,480
do understand that gerroid is also fire

1893
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:04,880
smart material. Thank you. Any other

1894
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:06,760
questions committee on

1895
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:10,719
this counc uh gray? Yeah, I wondered I

1896
01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:13,199
saw in the budget an amount of $6,000

1897
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:17,199
for garbage bins in the village core but

1898
01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:19,760
I went back to our minutes and we um

1899
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:21,280
never had a motion about that. So I

1900
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:26,189
wonder if that could be taken out of the

1901
01:23:26,199 --> 01:23:29,600
budget through the chair.

1902
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,520
We may not have had a motion about that,

1903
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,159
but we do have sufficient funds within

1904
01:23:34,159 --> 01:23:37,679
the uh uh building reserves. Actually,

1905
01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:41,760
it's well over the the um I think even

1906
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,600
the maximum and the business community

1907
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,600
has been asking what's going to happen

1908
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:46,880
with the funds that they have been

1909
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:50,159
paying into. So, do we do we know if

1910
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:51,679
that's where maybe that money is coming

1911
01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:52,920
from or is

1912
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,520
this like councelor Grace says, is it

1913
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,239
going to be in in the budget for the

1914
01:23:58,239 --> 01:24:00,719
taxpayers to pay? So, through the chair,

1915
01:24:00,719 --> 01:24:02,480
correct? So, that was that was by

1916
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:04,880
mistake. Uh I thought when we were

1917
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,639
discussing that originally uh when we

1918
01:24:06,639 --> 01:24:08,000
were talking about all the other capital

1919
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,320
projects that was approved uh

1920
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:11,600
unfortunately there was there was no

1921
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,880
action taken on it. uh the money would

1922
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,159
come from the business development

1923
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:20,239
reserve which has over $50,000 in it. So

1924
01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:22,560
if we remove it, it's not going to save

1925
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:24,560
us any money on the taxes or lower

1926
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,760
anything in that regard. But um if you

1927
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,199
want to move forward with it, we can. If

1928
01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:30,199
we

1929
01:24:30,199 --> 01:24:33,280
don't, no harm, no bail on that one.

1930
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,239
Okay. Thank you, Council Gray. Many of

1931
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:38,080
our discussions aren't about tax rates,

1932
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:39,280
but they're about the spending of the

1933
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,440
money that we have. Um this one, I think

1934
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:43,040
we talked about it. There's very little

1935
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:44,960
garbage in the in the village court.

1936
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:46,320
Anybody can walk over there and take a

1937
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,400
look. The businesses take care of their

1938
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,239
end of the deal. I would just suggest

1939
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:52,000
it's a spend that we don't it's not a

1940
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,159
necessary spend at the moment and we

1941
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:55,760
hashed it out and didn't make a motion

1942
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,000
the other day on that one. So, I was

1943
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,280
just saying it could come out of the

1944
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:00,480
budget and change the numbers a little

1945
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:04,560
bit for us. Mayor Little. Yeah, we had

1946
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,120
um uh significant correspondence last

1947
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,360
year and correspondence this year that

1948
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,000
there was garbage but that the business

1949
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,280
community was uh picking up the garbage

1950
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:18,000
themselves. Um and so it is claimed

1951
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,080
probably because of the the the

1952
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,239
stakeholders within the the village are

1953
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:24,960
are removing it. Um I I would like to

1954
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:28,239
see uh garbage cans there. I think that

1955
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:33,110
would be prudent.

1956
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:34,800
Did you want to make a motion to that

1957
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,960
effect so that it's affirmative? Sure.

1958
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:40,080
You have to remind me. Was it the 6,000?

1959
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:44,840
It was uh was two 6,000.

1960
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,600
Yeah. I I believe at the time it was it

1961
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,199
was done. It was some research that our

1962
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:51,920
CO had. I'll make a motion to spend up

1963
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,520
to $6,000 on the uh garbage cans for the

1964
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,679
village poor

1965
01:25:57,679 --> 01:25:59,440
and to come out of the business reserve.

1966
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:00,800
to come out the business for reserve.

1967
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:08,709
Okay, I have a second for that motion

1968
01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:10,880
for discussion. Okay, thank you.

1969
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:14,310
Discussion,

1970
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,760
council. Yeah. Uh, well, my concern with

1971
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,080
this is is not just getting the garbage

1972
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,800
cans, it's who's going to look after

1973
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:24,719
them. it's picking up the garbage

1974
01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:26,000
because we know that if there are going

1975
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,400
to be garbage cans right out there where

1976
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,159
everybody can see considering the amount

1977
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:32,320
of junk that's piled up by the metal

1978
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,480
bin. Um I think the garbage that could

1979
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:37,840
just become a receptacle for the for the

1980
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:39,840
whole community to just start dumping

1981
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,679
their garbage. I mean they even put it

1982
01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:45,760
beside the the lion's um box um by the

1983
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,320
by the former preschool. So it's uh you

1984
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:49,520
know it would be a concern to me. I

1985
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:50,800
think it's a good idea. I think if

1986
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,120
people if people were responsible that

1987
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:54,960
it would be a great thing to have there,

1988
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:58,400
but but I really hesitate to um you know

1989
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,199
to kind of go the route of the of the

1990
01:27:01,199 --> 01:27:03,440
dog poop receptacles

1991
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:06,000
um to do that. I I just uh really don't

1992
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,440
know whether it's worth spending the

1993
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:09,120
money. Um it is in the business

1994
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,199
development fund if that's what they

1995
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:12,800
want, whether it's worth, you know,

1996
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,679
spending that money out of that fund um

1997
01:27:15,679 --> 01:27:17,920
to as an experiment uh to see if it

1998
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,760
works or not. you know, maybe that's the

1999
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,000
best way to do

2000
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,159
it. And I, as I recall when we were

2001
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:27,600
discussing this, um, we had also talked

2002
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,120
about whether or not we contract a

2003
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,520
service to actually empty those those

2004
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,840
garbage bins. Um, and I'm not sure what

2005
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,480
the opening size is, how much garbage

2006
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:39,600
can be put in, but as council says, we

2007
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,199
do know people will leave garbage at the

2008
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:43,360
base of it. Uh, some of the problems

2009
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:44,719
that we had, it's not so much the

2010
01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:46,960
ongoing garbage, it is when there's

2011
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,360
events. So, I'm wondering if maybe we

2012
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,000
invest then in garbage receptacles that

2013
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,320
when we have events, the district pulls

2014
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,280
the events out or not the events, the uh

2015
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,560
receptacles out um for the events so

2016
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,440
that uh perhaps the business district

2017
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:05,679
isn't having to clean up all those

2018
01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:07,760
things that people leave behind when we

2019
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:13,510
have functions going on in the core.

2020
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,080
Similarly to what we do with Machos Day,

2021
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,480
we set up lots of garbage cans all over

2022
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:20,000
the property because we have mass

2023
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,840
amounts of people that are coming. So

2024
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,719
maybe this is um I'm not sure because I

2025
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:25,639
don't

2026
01:28:25,639 --> 01:28:28,080
recall the letters that had come in if

2027
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:29,840
it was just for events or if it's an

2028
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:33,440
ongoing concern with with garbage, but

2029
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:35,920
that's another uh consideration that

2030
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,320
we're still providing a service when we

2031
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:40,000
have large amounts of people that that

2032
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,400
come. But again, we we need that

2033
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:43,840
community calendar to know what events

2034
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,440
are happening when, too.

2035
01:28:46,440 --> 01:28:49,800
So, many different balls in the

2036
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,600
air. Council

2037
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,360
Gray, I guess I'm just concerned that

2038
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,880
this is a solution looking for a

2039
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:01,199
problem. Um, you don't see garbage

2040
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:03,199
around. Talk to the business owners.

2041
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:05,600
They're taking care of it. So, the

2042
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:06,880
country store takes care of it. The

2043
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:08,320
restaurant takes care of it. I'm not

2044
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,639
sure um the correspondence that we've

2045
01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:12,400
got asking for garbage containers, but

2046
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:13,760
maybe it would be good for those that to

2047
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,520
come forward or us to ask the various

2048
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,080
business owners who haven't jumped at

2049
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:20,600
this. But I'm like you, Council

2050
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,679
Donaldson, Council EP, um household

2051
01:29:23,679 --> 01:29:25,280
garbage will be headed that way and

2052
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:26,800
we'll have lots of issues to clean, but

2053
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,400
we'll have garbage downtown now. We

2054
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:30,239
don't have it now. I don't think we're a

2055
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:31,520
big city. I don't think we need some of

2056
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,410
these things at the moment.

2057
01:29:33,410 --> 01:29:34,480
[Music]

2058
01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:37,040
Mayor Little. Yeah. Thank you. Um the

2059
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,040
correspondence last year was the the

2060
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,040
owner of the the Machosen Business

2061
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,199
Center and she said that it wasn't

2062
01:29:43,199 --> 01:29:44,880
special events. It was you know at the

2063
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,199
end of the weekend uh she was cleaning

2064
01:29:47,199 --> 01:29:49,760
up garbage that wasn't related to her

2065
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,080
businesses that were renting in in her

2066
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:55,840
space. Um and I applaud all the business

2067
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,120
owners uh from the school to the cafe

2068
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,440
and the business center for for picking

2069
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:04,560
up other garbage that is not um their

2070
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,520
own. Uh but I think it would be a good

2071
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,120
service that we could provide as a

2072
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,520
municipality uh to the commercial

2073
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,239
businesses which are small in in

2074
01:30:14,239 --> 01:30:16,000
Machosen.

2075
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,679
Yes. Well, we've we also know that

2076
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:20,800
people have um deposited their domestic

2077
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,199
um garbage even in the dumpsters behind

2078
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:24,960
the fire hall from time to time as well.

2079
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,440
I've seen it with my own eyes. So um

2080
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:29,360
Councelor Schukan,

2081
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:30,639
thank you. Thank you, Councelor Donson.

2082
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:33,520
I I have to confess to being nervous

2083
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,320
about moving ahead with this on two

2084
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,679
fronts. Um the first being what we may

2085
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:42,639
be ex what the potential is for garbage

2086
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:44,719
coming our way that isn't there now.

2087
01:30:44,719 --> 01:30:47,440
Case in point is the metal bin. Um but

2088
01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:50,120
also the um you know the

2089
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:52,480
cost. Great to have this pulled from

2090
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:54,960
reserve, but it's the ongoing

2091
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:56,639
operational maintenance costs as well

2092
01:30:56,639 --> 01:30:59,199
that I that I'm nervous about. And I

2093
01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:02,800
know this isn't dog poop per se, but the

2094
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,040
forecast for dealing with those two

2095
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,920
receptacles was um something in the

2096
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:11,280
order of $25,000 annually. So yeah, I'm

2097
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:13,679
I'm quite nervous about I I don't think

2098
01:31:13,679 --> 01:31:15,120
household garbage is going to be the

2099
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,040
same thing, but it's another cost that

2100
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,199
we're going to incur that just right

2101
01:31:19,199 --> 01:31:23,199
now. I don't know if we need to. Um

2102
01:31:23,199 --> 01:31:26,239
yeah, so I I I I'm not in favor of this

2103
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:30,239
right now. Okay. Any further discussion?

2104
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:31,600
Okay, seeing none, I'll call the

2105
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:37,629
question. All in favor and

2106
01:31:37,639 --> 01:31:39,239
oppos.

2107
01:31:39,239 --> 01:31:41,719
Okay.

2108
01:31:41,719 --> 01:31:43,719
Um,

2109
01:31:43,719 --> 01:31:46,719
next, council gray. I wasn't expecting

2110
01:31:46,719 --> 01:31:49,760
such a long discussion about that. Um

2111
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,840
the the other uh one that I see in the

2112
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,400
budget I wasn't certain of was a school

2113
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:59,159
leasing agent an increase from $5,000 to

2114
01:31:59,159 --> 01:32:01,960
$11,500. And I seem to recall that

2115
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,320
we had otherwise discussed. We hadn't

2116
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,520
had a motion, but we were um doing away

2117
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,040
with the school leasing agent. So I

2118
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:10,560
wondered if I could ask Mr. Creek what

2119
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:14,320
the $1,500 is for

2120
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:16,960
to the chair. Thank you. Um, so I I

2121
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,360
actually removed the leasing agent in

2122
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,280
the first iteration of the budget. Uh,

2123
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:23,120
and then there is some push back

2124
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:24,719
regarding, well, we we're going to need

2125
01:32:24,719 --> 01:32:26,639
somebody in there, so let's leave the

2126
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:28,719
budget amount in so we don't have to

2127
01:32:28,719 --> 01:32:31,360
come back in four or five years and add

2128
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,760
some something in. Um, so that's why I

2129
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,560
put it in there in in this case it going

2130
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:41,360
from five to 16 what it was. Um the

2131
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,080
leasing agent was actually recorded in

2132
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,960
two lines in in the school there. Uh

2133
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:48,280
there was one

2134
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:51,770
under one

2135
01:32:51,780 --> 01:32:53,639
[Music]

2136
01:32:53,639 --> 01:32:56,159
second. You have a leasing agent under

2137
01:32:56,159 --> 01:32:58,800
the school contracted services plus the

2138
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,000
line for leasing agent. Um so I just

2139
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:05,440
chopped off the leasing agent out of the

2140
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:06,880
school contracted services, moved it

2141
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:09,280
down into one line. So it's contracted

2142
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,080
services, you know, uh like rod and

2143
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:13,679
disposal, that type of thing. And then

2144
01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:14,800
the leasing agents, that's their own

2145
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:16,800
separate line. It was it was a little

2146
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:20,800
cute confusing when I first found it.

2147
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,040
Thanks for the explanation. And I might

2148
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:24,560
have been part of the push back. I was

2149
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,199
just anxious that we get the place

2150
01:33:26,199 --> 01:33:28,560
rented and commercial leases. So, thank

2151
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:30,320
you very much for that explanation.

2152
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,719
Another one I was curious about was the

2153
01:33:32,719 --> 01:33:35,520
new or the additional $2,100 to the

2154
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:40,719
Peninsula Agricultural um um commission.

2155
01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:42,719
I didn't recall a request for more money

2156
01:33:42,719 --> 01:33:44,320
from them. And I think the current

2157
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,400
budget is about $1,500. So it's it's a

2158
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:47,679
big lift and I didn't know what that was

2159
01:33:47,679 --> 01:33:49,520
about. Wondered if you might explain

2160
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,080
through the

2161
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:54,400
chair through the chair. Uh there's a

2162
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:55,760
bit of a change in that. I'm going to

2163
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:57,920
pass that over to the corporate officer.

2164
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:59,600
she's got a little bit more detail and

2165
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,360
knowledge on how that whole thing worked

2166
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:04,709
out

2167
01:34:04,719 --> 01:34:08,159
through through the chair. Um so each

2168
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:11,920
year um the members of the pack which

2169
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:15,520
are central Sanich North Sanage

2170
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:19,199
um Sanich and Machosen pay an annual fee

2171
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:22,560
to pack. I think it might be around

2172
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:26,719
$1,000 or $1,200 per municipality. Um

2173
01:34:26,719 --> 01:34:31,120
but Sanage has now stepped down from um

2174
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:34,639
providing support for pack and it's

2175
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:36,880
going to be rotating between the four

2176
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,679
member municipalities. North Sanich has

2177
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:42,760
now taken it on and they will also be

2178
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,440
invoicing the other three municipalities

2179
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:49,960
for the the costs incurred for the

2180
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,440
administrative support provided to um to

2181
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:56,239
the commission.

2182
01:34:56,239 --> 01:35:00,950
Thank you.

2183
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:02,639
Thank you very much the deputy corporate

2184
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:05,280
officer through the chair. I'm wondering

2185
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,280
if today is not the day to talk about

2186
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:08,960
that but I would appreciate hearing back

2187
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:10,719
at some point from our own agriculture

2188
01:35:10,719 --> 01:35:12,480
advisory subcommittee which is a

2189
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:15,600
volunteer group um to find out whether

2190
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,440
or not we're double paying by having a

2191
01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:18,800
group in the peninsula working on the

2192
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,920
same topics. Um maybe when we if we are

2193
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:23,199
going to look at terms of reference of

2194
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:24,639
the committees, we can compare the two

2195
01:35:24,639 --> 01:35:26,639
and see what the difference is between

2196
01:35:26,639 --> 01:35:28,719
committees. I recognize one involves

2197
01:35:28,719 --> 01:35:31,679
more people and more places but it's

2198
01:35:31,679 --> 01:35:34,560
providing the same service here and it

2199
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:35,840
just brought to my attention I

2200
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:37,120
appreciate all the work that various

2201
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,040
people are doing but just the brought to

2202
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:40,520
my attention because of the cost

2203
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:42,040
increases

2204
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:46,480
2.1 two $2100.

2205
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:49,760
M excuse me little yeah thank you. So

2206
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,000
the Peninsula Area Agricultural

2207
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:57,440
Commission is um um focused on advancing

2208
01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:00,239
agricultural issues with in a regional

2209
01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:05,280
context. So um they they provided uh for

2210
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:08,080
the workshop that you attended um and

2211
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,400
councelor Schukan and councelor EP and

2212
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:13,080
councelor Donaldson on the the um

2213
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:16,239
landfilling um dumping of of fill and

2214
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:19,280
lands. Um that is beyond the capacity of

2215
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:23,040
our our our our agriculture advisory

2216
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,159
select committee. Um, so they they look

2217
01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:30,239
at more regional um um issues in

2218
01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:32,880
supporting agriculture. I guess it is a

2219
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:33,920
little bit redundant because they're

2220
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:37,360
both talking about um about advancing

2221
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:40,080
agriculture and supporting agriculture,

2222
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:43,320
but one is regional and and ours is

2223
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:46,400
Mosen. Um the chair of the pack right

2224
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:49,600
now is Robin Toddcliffe from Mosen. Um,

2225
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:52,400
but I'm sure she'd be very happy to uh

2226
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:54,560
come back and report on specifically

2227
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:57,679
what PAC does. And actually um we

2228
01:36:57,679 --> 01:37:00,400
actually as a a council even though we

2229
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:04,080
pay the fees of about 1,500 a year um we

2230
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:05,920
don't use them very much. So for

2231
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,000
instance, our agricultural plan could

2232
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,600
have gone to them uh for review and for

2233
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:14,560
comment but any other um issues uh we

2234
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:18,719
can always refer to um the pack because

2235
01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:21,600
they have considerable expertise in all

2236
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:26,560
areas of of agriculture and in planning.

2237
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,719
Yeah. Yeah. I had the the privilege of

2238
01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:30,239
attending one of the meetings this past

2239
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:33,199
fall and uh uh there's a lot of

2240
01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:34,719
expertise at the table. some of the

2241
01:37:34,719 --> 01:37:35,960
other things that they have done

2242
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:38,159
regionally which may be a little bit of

2243
01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:39,520
overlap but actually it's

2244
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:41,119
all-encompassing as they've been

2245
01:37:41,119 --> 01:37:43,760
supportive of the newly formed South

2246
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:45,080
Island

2247
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:48,159
um farmers institute which puts on a

2248
01:37:48,159 --> 01:37:50,880
week long uh conference uh full day

2249
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,280
in-house conference but one where you

2250
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,040
get to tour farms and you can sign up

2251
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,280
for these different things. So, um an

2252
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:00,960
educational component that is um open to

2253
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,320
um anyone that's interested in

2254
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:07,199
agriculture. Uh in speaking with the the

2255
01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:10,320
chair um earlier today um and having

2256
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:13,679
been um at a workshop on Tuesday where

2257
01:38:13,679 --> 01:38:19,119
minister uh Lana PPA and our new um uh

2258
01:38:19,119 --> 01:38:24,560
Emily uh Dana Dana Lejun Yeah. um out in

2259
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,440
Souk, there's a a large contingent of

2260
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:30,320
farmers in that area. So, I propose that

2261
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:33,600
perhaps PAC actually consider taking on

2262
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,040
um some

2263
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:39,679
uh maybe some membership out of uh going

2264
01:38:39,679 --> 01:38:42,800
um west of us as well with Souk and the

2265
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:44,639
Wanuka Electoral District. So, I'll be

2266
01:38:44,639 --> 01:38:49,199
talking to um our um uh government local

2267
01:38:49,199 --> 01:38:50,719
government partners in that area as

2268
01:38:50,719 --> 01:38:52,800
well. And certainly PAC is is interested

2269
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,199
in broadening the horizon. So it's

2270
01:38:55,199 --> 01:38:57,119
unfortunate one we've lost one of our

2271
01:38:57,119 --> 01:38:59,679
partners on the peninsula but there you

2272
01:38:59,679 --> 01:39:02,080
know as we realize and more and more

2273
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:03,840
food security is is critical on the

2274
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:05,840
island. So there is an interest and

2275
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,360
there's a lot of passionate people out

2276
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:08,320
there.

2277
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:11,199
support and education and certainly um

2278
01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:14,719
PAC could uh lease or we could lease as

2279
01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:18,239
a a council with PAC more and certainly

2280
01:39:18,239 --> 01:39:20,880
our um agriculture committee could too.

2281
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,800
So we have a longstanding relationship

2282
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:27,220
and yearly membership with

2283
01:39:27,220 --> 01:39:28,840
[Music]

2284
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:32,080
them. So they're valuable.

2285
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:34,320
I'll ask and see if um if we can have

2286
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,280
chair come and give us a presentation on

2287
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:40,520
that on their history and all that they

2288
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:43,360
do. You have comment. Yeah. And so PAC

2289
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,679
has been around for 27 years and we have

2290
01:39:45,679 --> 01:39:48,679
not hosted or or paid for any of the

2291
01:39:48,679 --> 01:39:52,159
administrative costs uh over and above

2292
01:39:52,159 --> 01:39:56,719
the the $1,500. So um I think probably

2293
01:39:56,719 --> 01:39:58,239
uh they said, "Well, you know, we've

2294
01:39:58,239 --> 01:40:00,639
hosted it for so long. How about some of

2295
01:40:00,639 --> 01:40:03,520
you?" um uh step up to the plate and I

2296
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:05,920
think that's where the modest increase

2297
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:09,430
is.

2298
01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:11,760
Okay. Any other comments on on the

2299
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:14,400
budget?

2300
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,000
I'd raised a question previously about

2301
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:19,040
the $5,000 for voting machines and I see

2302
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:20,960
the response from staff is related to

2303
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:24,320
the notion that we can get some um

2304
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:26,320
benefit in terms of staff time or it's

2305
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:28,000
difficult to find people to do that kind

2306
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,639
of work. Um, I just wanted to report I

2307
01:40:30,639 --> 01:40:31,679
did hear from one member of the

2308
01:40:31,679 --> 01:40:34,320
community, Neil West, who's um quite

2309
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:35,840
opposed to these machines from the

2310
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,320
thinking that they uh we do a good job

2311
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:39,920
of hand counting the accuracies there

2312
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,719
and some worries about um how well these

2313
01:40:42,719 --> 01:40:44,880
machines work.

2314
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,040
Yeah, I believe the concern was the

2315
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:50,480
overtime that was required for staff to

2316
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:52,639
stay late and u making sure that

2317
01:40:52,639 --> 01:40:55,280
counting was accurate and it wasn't just

2318
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:57,520
one person um counting ballots. There

2319
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,920
was quite a group of people and as I

2320
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:02,000
recall it was 2 a.m. when they finally

2321
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:03,760
finished.

2322
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,080
Council Shook. Yeah, thank you councelor

2323
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,080
Donaldson. I don't think it was that

2324
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:12,800
late but it was late and um I'm I'm in

2325
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:14,480
support of voting machines. I talked to

2326
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:16,600
a number of people who are part of that

2327
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:19,560
process and they describe it as

2328
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:24,000
exhausting and tedious and we have to

2329
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,960
keep an eye on the the number of people

2330
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,280
who are involved and again the quality

2331
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:31,280
of the people involved as well. We had a

2332
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:33,920
great team at the last the last vote.

2333
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:36,239
Um, but the one thing that's going to

2334
01:41:36,239 --> 01:41:37,800
happen is if we don't

2335
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:40,719
have good system in place, whether it's

2336
01:41:40,719 --> 01:41:43,119
the people or the machines, there's a

2337
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:45,600
potential of us paying even more if we

2338
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,000
don't get things right in terms of um

2339
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:51,520
time lags or legal challenges. So, yeah,

2340
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:53,520
I I'm supportive of maintaining the uh

2341
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:55,840
the budget for the for the vocations.

2342
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:57,920
And as I recall, Mr. Creek, you were

2343
01:41:57,920 --> 01:41:59,199
going to check to see if we could do

2344
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:01,520
lease as opposed to purchase considering

2345
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:04,960
it's every four years. Correct. Uh

2346
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:07,440
through correct. Uh so it will be lease

2347
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:10,320
rather than purchase. Uh and the overall

2348
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:12,960
cost increase to the district was is

2349
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:14,360
going to be about

2350
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:16,960
$1,300 because the overtime that we had

2351
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,920
to pay to our staff along with all the

2352
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:23,440
accounting staff. Um and I don't know.

2353
01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:25,280
So when well I worked in election coalks

2354
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,440
and that thing was you're trapped inside

2355
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:29,360
a building for 14 hours. So like trying

2356
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:31,440
to find was gets a little more difficult

2357
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:34,080
when you are paying them like not the

2358
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:35,760
greatest amount of money in the world

2359
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,520
but still it is still costly because the

2360
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:40,400
ex

2361
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:43,440
Okay. Thank you. Okay. So I've just been

2362
01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:45,360
reminded we do have a server update at

2363
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:48,320
six o'clock tonight. So we need to um

2364
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:52,159
wrap up our discussion. Um do you have

2365
01:42:52,159 --> 01:42:53,280
some questions? Yeah, I had some

2366
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:55,760
questions about the fire department. Um,

2367
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:57,199
kind of like the trails, which I love

2368
01:42:57,199 --> 01:42:59,119
and and want to meet and so much

2369
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:00,480
appreciate the people working on it. I'd

2370
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:02,000
appreciate the people fire department as

2371
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:03,440
well, the staff and the volunteers. But

2372
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:05,920
I had some money questions.

2373
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:10,000
Um, we got a look at a summary of of um

2374
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:14,199
u pay um expenses from the fire chief

2375
01:43:14,199 --> 01:43:17,320
and I noticed that

2376
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:20,760
um her expectation is that we'll spend

2377
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:24,080
$16,000 more than we have in our budget

2378
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:27,360
um for um fire allowances in honor area

2379
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:29,679
and I wondered how we might manage that.

2380
01:43:29,679 --> 01:43:32,280
So that's a question through to to

2381
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:35,040
our CFO. I I guess it's really a

2382
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:36,400
question for the CEO, but he's not here

2383
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:39,360
today. So, Mr. K, if you're not able to

2384
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:41,280
answer, that's okay. It just we got a

2385
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:45,040
few questions that are maybe um for the

2386
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:48,080
CEO, but let's proceed anyway.

2387
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,320
Thank you. Through the chair. Uh so, the

2388
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:52,719
the way that ends up being covered, it's

2389
01:43:52,719 --> 01:43:54,639
because of the financial plan and what

2390
01:43:54,639 --> 01:43:56,560
uh council approves breaks down into

2391
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:57,920
general administration, protective

2392
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:00,880
services, uh that type of thing. We've

2393
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:02,239
the fire department's in protective

2394
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:07,760
services uh and the the extra 16 $17,000

2395
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,920
uh we just reduce the surplus coming

2396
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:11,520
from the protective services for the

2397
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:12,840
2025

2398
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:15,199
year that that's how we end up being

2399
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:16,440
covered in the

2400
01:44:16,440 --> 01:44:19,920
end. Thank you. So keep it within the

2401
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:24,000
departmental budget. Great. And um on

2402
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:27,119
the firefighter allowances, we we had um

2403
01:44:27,119 --> 01:44:28,280
I think there's

2404
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:30,600
66,300 proposed for firefighter

2405
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:33,480
allowance that was over spent in

2406
01:44:33,480 --> 01:44:35,840
2023. Again, it was overspent last year

2407
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:36,840
by

2408
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:40,159
$10,000. Um so I wondered if we can

2409
01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:42,159
confirm that this resulted from an

2410
01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:44,000
increase in calls and a change in the

2411
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,840
weekend stipen during the 2024 year from

2412
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:51,199
$50 to $100 a shift.

2413
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:53,040
And the reason I'm asking is I got one

2414
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,440
note from one staff saying, "Oh, yeah,

2415
01:44:55,440 --> 01:44:58,480
that's um not in place yet." And another

2416
01:44:58,480 --> 01:44:59,600
staff saying, "No, no, those are the

2417
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,280
current rates." Just get get it clear.

2418
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:03,280
Are we have did that change during the

2419
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:05,760
2024 year?

2420
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:07,040
[Music]

2421
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:10,480
Sure. Uh so the the $100 for the weekend

2422
01:45:10,480 --> 01:45:13,920
shifts, u what from what I gather is in

2423
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,880
the budget it was all $50 per shift. uh

2424
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:19,280
seemed like that did occur during 2024

2425
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:22,000
where it increased to $100 uh per shift

2426
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,719
for the weekend and still remain at $50

2427
01:45:24,719 --> 01:45:27,440
for the majority of the time of the

2428
01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:30,639
regular week. Thank you. Followup

2429
01:45:30,639 --> 01:45:32,800
question then. Who other than council

2430
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,800
presumably during the budget process has

2431
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:36,639
the authority to authorize increases to

2432
01:45:36,639 --> 01:45:40,880
stipen rates through the chair

2433
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:42,719
through chair. Uh so that basically

2434
01:45:42,719 --> 01:45:45,360
comes down to the CEO uh going to

2435
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:47,360
approve what people end up getting paid

2436
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:49,199
uh and whether or not that will fit

2437
01:45:49,199 --> 01:45:52,000
inside the budget for protective

2438
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,320
services or general administration or

2439
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:57,600
that type of thing. Um the hourly rates

2440
01:45:57,600 --> 01:45:59,840
and that type of thing generally does

2441
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:01,600
not come back to council uh for

2442
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:02,780
approval.

2443
01:46:02,780 --> 01:46:04,960
[Music]

2444
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:07,600
Thank you. And so that we made it

2445
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:10,239
through because that department um made

2446
01:46:10,239 --> 01:46:11,679
it in

2447
01:46:11,679 --> 01:46:14,960
um within their budget. So this was all

2448
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:17,119
a legal and undertaking that it sounds

2449
01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:19,840
like. But this year we can't reverse

2450
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:22,719
that because we have people who are

2451
01:46:22,719 --> 01:46:24,800
expecting that money. So the decision

2452
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,199
was made last year but it you can't can

2453
01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:28,960
the budget happen without those the

2454
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:30,400
increase in that budget line this year I

2455
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:33,710
guess is my question.

2456
01:46:33,710 --> 01:46:36,520
[Music]

2457
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:39,360
Chair could you repeat that? Didn't

2458
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:41,639
quite understand. Last year we spent

2459
01:46:41,639 --> 01:46:46,920
$73,000 on this budget item. Um that's

2460
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:49,360
right. Sorry, maybe I may have jumped.

2461
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:50,600
Yes.

2462
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:53,119
Um yeah, I think so. Well, let me just

2463
01:46:53,119 --> 01:46:56,080
find it here. Well, we're we're short of

2464
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:58,400
time, but just to say an increase was

2465
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:01,360
made last year, um mid year without

2466
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:05,199
council's review, and that was okay

2467
01:47:05,199 --> 01:47:07,679
because it didn't exceed budget. No,

2468
01:47:07,679 --> 01:47:09,040
it's coming to us this year because it

2469
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:10,639
will exceed the budget or can we manage

2470
01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:12,000
with the same numbers this year as we

2471
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:15,679
did last year? Okay. Uh thank you chair.

2472
01:47:15,679 --> 01:47:17,239
Yeah,

2473
01:47:17,239 --> 01:47:20,080
we based on the number that we had uh

2474
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,880
and is projected uh it'll still fit

2475
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:25,280
within what we end up with a little bit

2476
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,800
of a surplus under protective services.

2477
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:30,040
Um that that

2478
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:33,520
number for those officers is still just

2479
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:35,760
an estimate based on calls. uh if

2480
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:37,600
there's fewer calls, won't end up

2481
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,119
spending that much. If they're if they

2482
01:47:39,119 --> 01:47:41,440
end up having even more calls, uh that

2483
01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:44,560
number will be even higher. So, we'll

2484
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:47,280
see where we're at kind mid year and

2485
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:50,600
then possibly come back to say, hey,

2486
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:53,280
we're we're on track to go way over

2487
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:55,600
budget. Then we could come back and say

2488
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:57,600
we need a financial plan just depending

2489
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,880
on how every other account is looking.

2490
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:02,239
Thank you. That sounds like a good idea.

2491
01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:05,280
I think last year, Mr. Payet our CEO

2492
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:06,960
said that we would be getting was it

2493
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:08,800
quarterly reports and how the finances

2494
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:10,960
were going because of these ups and

2495
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:13,040
downs and we weren't able to pull it off

2496
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:15,199
this year but that would be a great idea

2497
01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:16,960
through the chair to Mr. Creek if we did

2498
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:18,880
have sort of a regular look to see that

2499
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:19,800
we don't

2500
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:22,320
overshoot. Um I had a kind of a similar

2501
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:23,679
question about the fire prevention

2502
01:48:23,679 --> 01:48:25,280
officer. It was mentioned by someone in

2503
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,280
the audience. What who has the authority

2504
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:28,800
to authorize a pay rate higher than that

2505
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:31,050
rate approved by council?

2506
01:48:31,050 --> 01:48:34,229
[Music]

2507
01:48:34,239 --> 01:48:36,639
through the chair.

2508
01:48:36,639 --> 01:48:38,639
So through the chair, I believe that

2509
01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:41,239
would have to come from the

2510
01:48:41,239 --> 01:48:44,239
CEO, but I could be mistaken on that.

2511
01:48:44,239 --> 01:48:46,320
I'll have to confirm. Thank you. When

2512
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:50,270
they're

2513
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:53,600
back and then I just had the question of

2514
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:55,159
um the fire

2515
01:48:55,159 --> 01:48:57,280
honorariums again. I so much appreciate

2516
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:58,639
all the work people are doing, but these

2517
01:48:58,639 --> 01:49:00,719
financial questions need to be sorted in

2518
01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:04,320
terms of clarity for to know. Last year,

2519
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:06,239
I understood we'd authorized a change in

2520
01:49:06,239 --> 01:49:08,639
payments for duty officer hours and we

2521
01:49:08,639 --> 01:49:09,719
bought a

2522
01:49:09,719 --> 01:49:12,679
package. This year, we see a

2523
01:49:12,679 --> 01:49:15,440
7070% increase in that budget line. And

2524
01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:18,800
I wondered if what the explanation was.

2525
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,560
I think it has to do with hiring

2526
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:22,560
additional people to do the job that we

2527
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:23,760
thought last year was covered by the

2528
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:25,199
compensation scheme that we had

2529
01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:27,040
approved.

2530
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:29,520
through the chair. through the chair.

2531
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:31,600
Uh, correct. So, it was they're adding

2532
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:34,000
additional officers or aiming to have

2533
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:35,840
additional officers. U recent

2534
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,480
conversation with the chief showed that

2535
01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:40,159
like we're going to have an extra one

2536
01:49:40,159 --> 01:49:41,440
for a little bit and then we're going to

2537
01:49:41,440 --> 01:49:43,960
end up losing a few through the year.

2538
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:47,040
So, that budget amount is unlikely to be

2539
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:49,380
met in 2025.

2540
01:49:49,380 --> 01:49:51,600
[Music]

2541
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:54,239
Thank you.

2542
01:49:54,239 --> 01:49:56,320
Okay. Any other questions for Mr. Greek

2543
01:49:56,320 --> 01:49:59,280
while we have them here? Mayor Little.

2544
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:01,119
Yeah. Um, thank you. I'd like to move

2545
01:50:01,119 --> 01:50:02,880
that the finance committee approved the

2546
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:06,679
2025 2029 FIN 5-year financial plan as

2547
01:50:06,679 --> 01:50:09,119
presented and direct staff to draft the

2548
01:50:09,119 --> 01:50:13,600
2025 2029 fin-year financial plan and

2549
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:16,320
2025 property tax rate bylaws for

2550
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:19,679
consideration at the April 7th, 2025

2551
01:50:19,679 --> 01:50:22,000
council meeting.

2552
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:26,040
I already moved that. Oh, sorry. Did

2553
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:29,600
you seconded it? Okay. And we're having

2554
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,840
discussion. That's a long time ago.

2555
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:34,280
Okay. So perhaps

2556
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:37,360
the Oh, no. Sorry, that almost exceeded

2557
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:41,119
my memory too discussion. So far, yeah,

2558
01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:45,199
counc. Yeah. I guess the other question

2559
01:50:45,199 --> 01:50:47,440
I had which I posed earlier was this

2560
01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:52,239
idea of um adding 1% to the budget to

2561
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:54,400
start building up our reserves as

2562
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:56,639
recommended by our CFO. There were two

2563
01:50:56,639 --> 01:50:59,600
choices in future. We go on jet debt or

2564
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,000
we um we put a little bit of money in

2565
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,719
this year. We can do that additional to

2566
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:07,280
the money we have already on the table

2567
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:09,840
uh in terms of taxes and or we could

2568
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:11,920
decrease some items in our budget to

2569
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:14,000
make way for that. And I rather than

2570
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:15,360
making a motion, I'm just interested if

2571
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:17,360
people have any appetite for that. I'm

2572
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:19,119
certainly keen on doing it because now

2573
01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:20,560
I'm seeing the tax rate is much lower

2574
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:23,840
than we'd anticipated. But is that okay

2575
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:25,840
if we could just ask the group what

2576
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:27,760
they're thinking?

2577
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:29,679
Sure. So we're in discussion right now.

2578
01:51:29,679 --> 01:51:32,880
Council, your thoughts on that? Um

2579
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:34,639
Councelor Donaldson, I would just call

2580
01:51:34,639 --> 01:51:36,159
Prius question. I think we should vote

2581
01:51:36,159 --> 01:51:38,480
on the motion.

2582
01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:40,320
Yeah. What I'm asking about is not so

2583
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:42,000
much um voting on the motion, but this

2584
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:44,159
will be amendment to the motion. Um I

2585
01:51:44,159 --> 01:51:45,960
can make maybe I'll just make the

2586
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:48,080
amendment or move the amendment if you'd

2587
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:51,599
like. I just was So, I'll make a motion

2588
01:51:51,599 --> 01:51:54,719
that we um add an additional 1% to the

2589
01:51:54,719 --> 01:51:55,800
tax

2590
01:51:55,800 --> 01:52:00,520
um rate in order to build up our asset

2591
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:03,440
replacements reserves. Motion by

2592
01:52:03,440 --> 01:52:06,000
councelor um Gray. Uh do I have a second

2593
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:12,550
for that amendment?

2594
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:16,000
There's no second. So, that doesn't

2595
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:18,400
pass. Um, so I'll call the question if

2596
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:21,520
there's any other discussion on on this

2597
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:22,199
uh

2598
01:52:22,199 --> 01:52:24,880
motion. I'll call the question then. All

2599
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:30,320
in favor and opposed. Uh opposed by

2600
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:31,130
councelor

2601
01:52:31,130 --> 01:52:33,000
[Music]

2602
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:36,189
Gray.

2603
01:52:36,199 --> 01:52:39,520
Okay. All right. So, um we are out of

2604
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:41,280
time. So, unfortunately, we don't have

2605
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:43,639
time for public input.

2606
01:52:43,639 --> 01:52:45,820
Um, so I would like

2607
01:52:45,820 --> 01:52:47,239
[Music]

2608
01:52:47,239 --> 01:52:51,119
to ask for agreement. Sorry, go ahead.

2609
01:52:51,119 --> 01:52:54,080
Um, we have correspondence maybe just to

2610
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:55,840
receive that and there's nothing about

2611
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:58,480
another public participation session. So

2612
01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:01,760
we're we are sticking to the agenda. So

2613
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:05,119
oh, sorry. Okay. Sorry.

2614
01:53:05,119 --> 01:53:07,520
Yeah, we we're out of time because our

2615
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:11,280
servers are going to stop in a minute.

2616
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,040
I move receipt of the be correspondence

2617
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:14,960
from the Wilson wershed association.

2618
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:17,760
Yes. And also uh Miss Shuken with her

2619
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:20,880
letter as well um commenting on our

2620
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:26,719
budget today. Okay. So um so uh call we

2621
01:53:26,719 --> 01:53:29,520
have we have a mover to adjurnn and a

2622
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:32,719
seconder. Mayor little um you should do

2623
01:53:32,719 --> 01:53:35,280
the receipt of correspondence first. Of

2624
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:38,239
course we should. Yeah.

2625
01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:40,280
Okay. So,

2626
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:42,239
uh, motion to receive the

2627
01:53:42,239 --> 01:53:43,920
correspondence.

2628
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:47,040
Moved by councelor Jukin. Uh, second by

2629
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:49,760
Mayor Little. All in favor? Carried.

2630
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:52,639
And, uh, move for adjournment. Moved by

2631
01:53:52,639 --> 01:53:53,560
councelor

2632
01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:55,920
Zukan. Seconded by Mayor Little. All in

2633
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:57,840
favor? Carrie. Thank you very much for

2634
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:07,760
your patience.

2635
01:54:07,770 --> 01:54:13,440
[Music]

2636
01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:16,000
Okay.