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Recording in progress.

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Good evening, everyone. This is the September 2026 meeting of the City of Toronto Planning Commission.

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Planning Commission is a volunteer committee appointed by the Mayor of City Council.

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My name is Evette Prucing and I'm the chair of the Commission. The Commission hears applications for

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Resonings, text amendments, conditional use permits, variances, and makes recommendations on such items to the city council.

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When it's time for public comment on an item, those present make up to the podium. If you're watching via zoom, please use the raise hand function.

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And this meeting will now come to order.

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Will you call the roll, please?

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Is that here?

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Chris, you're Billy.

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Absent.

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Michael.

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Absent.

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Devin, President.

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All right, thank you.

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Would somebody like to make a motion to approve tonight's meeting agenda?

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I moved to approve tonight's agenda.

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OK, do we have a second?

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OK, do we have a motion?

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Chris made the second, call the roll please.

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That?

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Yes.

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Chris?

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Billy?

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Michael?

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Devon?

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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And would somebody like to make a motion to approve the minutes from last month?

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I moved to approve the minutes from last month.

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Okay.

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Would someone like to make a second?

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I'll second.

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Okay, Devon made the motion, Michael May 2nd, call the roll, please.

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Is that?

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Chris?

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Yes.

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Billy?

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Oh, I guess I'll call this Devon?

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All right.

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And I think we're ready to hear the first case.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Good evening, plenty commissioners.

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Tonight's first item on the agenda as a rezoning or

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submitted by Kinder Morgan for a property look at at 64 46 new P.C. Road. This property is currently

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zone M2C that stands for a heavy manufacturing conditional. And the request here is to

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rezone it to M1 which is our light manufacturing district. The applicant's intent is to sell

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the property which contains a 34,000 square foot warehouse to a partial washing company known as

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guys. As of right now the property currently has a zoning condition that limits

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any and all uses to only oil and gas. So this prevents wise guys from using the

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property but it also prohibits all other uses from operating here as well. So this

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case is really about land use. It's about future land use. It's about property

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ownership hardship to the property owner, it's also about a decade's worth of progress that

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the city has been making to reason properties to be more in conformance with the comprehensive

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plan. So tonight, please ask yourself, what types of future businesses does the city want to see

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along the new piece of your road, what types of uses and activities are and are not appropriate

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for this stretch of road and how do we balance the city's goals with ensuring that we are not

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imposing a hardship on the property owner. This for context, the property contains a vacant warehouse

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building. It's about 34,000 square feet. It is adjacent to an active tank site.

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The property is also

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A JSON to a vacant Marta lot to the right to the south are lots currently zone T5, which is our mixed use commercial corridor.

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And then to the left is the kindergarten site with the tanks.

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The idea behind this, the city initially rezoning, especially rezoning this corridor 2 T5.

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Um, you know, you see here on the screen that the current businesses are industrial and

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nature.

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So you've got a collision repair, hydraulic repair, meat and food delivery station.

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There are all zone T5, the idea behind resuming them to T5 is to, when they cease operations,

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the city envisions the new user to be able to conform to the T5 district.

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So that means we want just, we want uses that encourage general commercial, make

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stews, walkability, being a vibrant adding to our culturally diverse businesses that

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are already existing within this corridor.

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The same idea applies to this rezoning and that the city is interested in rezoning

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this property to a zoning district that is going to complement this corridor.

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Here, you can see the property is very close to Oak Cliff Road in Pissure Road to Beford Highway in my Cal Roy.

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Additionally, this property was also split. So in May, 2026, the red line indicates what the parcel was.

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The blue line indicates the parcel split. So it went from one parcel to two.

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this separated the petroleum tanks on 6410 and then this left the 6446 with the vacant warehouse building.

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Here's the exact language of the current zoning condition on the screen. Basically it eliminates all

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uses to those only related to the storage and distribution of oil.

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So it's not just this property that

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it. It's a couple of others on your piece of road mainly the ones that have tanks on them.

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So this rezoning request came about because the property owner couldn't Morgan

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would either like to either use this building or sell it off to to wise guys.

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And until the zoning condition is removed, they're not able to use this building.

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The request is to rezoning to M1, which will allow them to use the building any way that M1 sees fit

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This is the floor plan of the building.

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Again, it's about 30, almost 34,000 square feet.

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Here's some interior photos.

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The proposed user is wise guys.

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They are a pressure-washing company.

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Staff included a list of their proposed business activities

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that they plan to use this property for.

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So mainly as an office,

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but they are needing to dispatch company vehicles

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needs clean storage and prep equipment. They're also going to be doing routine maintenance and

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cleaning of fleet vehicles. They also offer a holiday service, where they prep lights and

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decorate recent and hang Christmas decorations for clients.

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So jumping right into our recommendation

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here, staff is recommending denial of the requested M1 zoning. We are instead recommending a

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approval to reason it to owe W.

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This is you to several reasons which I'll expand on in a bit, but briefly those reasons are because of the comprehensive plan, because of the form-based code that the city adopted in 2014, which requires a stricter standards for building and also development.

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Also, there was a city initiative rezoning that was done in 2020 that completely changed the

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Behike culture of corridor,

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and also the current zoning condition that is found on the property.

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Regarding wise guys proposed activities, here's a summary of what would be and what would not be allowed in

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the OW and M1 district. As you can tell, M1 would be appropriate for wise guys. It does allow for most of the activities that they are

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trying to perform on the site, OW would limit them to just office and warehousing and would

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also limit all activities to be taken place inside it and closed building where M1 would

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allow the activities to either take place indoors, but also outdoors.

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So, the benefits of resounding it to it, W, it does align with a new comprehensive plan.

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It conforms with the city's goals of reducing industrial activities on new Peachtree Road.

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Having an OW property at this very location, it provides the transitional zoning district between the T5 zones that are to the east and south,

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but also it provides a great transitional zoning district to the M2 district to the west.

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Oh, W does not create any new senses for adjacent properties because all activities will be inside and all business activities don't, they wouldn't cause concern for any new senses.

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It prohibits outdoor storage.

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Also, it does state that new buildings have to look a certain way.

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You have certain materials, brick, stone, and just higher quality materials.

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Also, it has streetscape standards for new development as well.

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Our concerns of rezoning it to M1 would just be completely opposite of what I just went over,

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not aligning with the Com plan, introducing industrial uses to this corridor, if an M1 use word

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to be allowed here, it could potentially create nuisances for the T5 districts that are directly

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adjacent. Also, it does not have any architectural standards and no streets gifts standard.

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So, OW would bring a higher quality district to this area and would complement the district.

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better than M1.

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So let's hop into future land use.

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So future land use tells us how we want the city

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to look like in the future.

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So the view-high culture of corridors outlined

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in the pink district.

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This corridor, invisions, potential uses to be mixed use,

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retail commercial, office, multi-family,

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and also provide some green space.

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Our current comp plan would recommend

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that this property be resounded to T5,

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but it also recommends other districts

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that are either obsolete, which we don't have anymore,

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or it recommends residential, which would not be a good fit

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for this property.

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But let's look how the Bihai cultural quarter

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has shaped our zoning map today.

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So in 2013, as you can tell,

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we had 11 different zoning districts

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in the VU High Culture Accordor, we had anything from M2 to M1 to C2, which was our most intensive

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commercial district. We had our three, our four, which are our multifamily districts. We had

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office. We just had everything in there. And so the goal back then was to say, hold up, you know,

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we want to create conformity here. We want to create a walkable environment. We want to create

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and avenue for general commerce and mixed use uses and so in 2020 the city

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resound all properties to T5 instead of the T6 zoning districts that were

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resound prior to that so the city had a vision we we stuck to that vision then in

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22, our code enforcement department did some business license sweeps.

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They found that two oil and gas companies did not have business license on a

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piece of road.

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In order for these oil and gas companies to receive a business license, their zoning

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had to allow for the use.

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Because they were zone T5, T5 does not allow for the storage and distribution of petroleum.

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So that was the reason why we had to reason it back to M2.

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We counsel at the time imposed a condition on these parcels because we had just gone through

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this rezoning to change the zoning district for this corridor, and they didn't want to introduce

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any new industrial uses along new P3 road.

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So that's why that condition exists.

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We also had to reason it back to M2 because that's the only district that does allow for the storage and distribution of petroleum products.

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So, you know, at present day zoning map is still the same.

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We have not introduced any new industrial districts into the B. High cultural corridor.

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That is still the goal here.

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Our new comprehensive plan, which will be adopted by the end of October, still shows

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this property in the B. High Culture Accordor. Our new comprehensive plan also suggests that

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O.W. is an appropriate district inside the corridor, but it does state that O.W. is very limited,

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meaning that O.W. just should not go in.

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Anywhere, it should go inappropriate spaces. This area would be inappropriate space because it is adjacent to him too.

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You may hear it tonight from the applicant that this property was going to be designated within the tank farms district.

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But that is simply not true. It has never been the city's intention to add industrial to this corridor.

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This, of course, this goal and vision has gone back several decades, and we are sticking

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true to that vision, and so we are certain that this property belongs in the B. High

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Culture Accordor.

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So within the new complaint, the vision in 10, it just identifies this

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area as the multicultural identity of Doreville. Of course, it's home to restaurants as

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Well, no, small businesses, cultural destinations.

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Again, it defines this area as a commerce corridor for mixed use

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spaces.

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I do want to reiterate that residential uses are not appropriate

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for this parcel, just because it's located next to oil

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and gas.

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But residential uses in the vehicle to a corridor

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should have places to walk to.

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Like if people are going to live in the corridor,

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they need to be able to walk to destinations for services, for goods, for fun, and so we

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want to keep this area as friendly to pedestrians as possible.

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This, the new complaint does not recommend M1 within this area.

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So, industrial uses do have their appropriate areas of where they belong in the city.

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This is also why zoning exists.

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So zoning exists to keep use the separate where they need to be separated for health, safety, and welfare reasons.

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So the area outlined in red is appropriate for general commerce and mixed-use.

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The area here is appropriate for industrial uses.

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We also have three other, I'm sorry, two other areas,

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appropriate for industrial uses, which are along the I-85 corridor,

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as well as the Amwila Road area by Winnish Temple Road.

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Here's a slide that contains uses that are not prohibited by us,

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but prohibited by the properties deed.

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So their deed states that these uses are not allowed at the location.

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For good reasons, just because of the petroleum tanks,

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So all these uses that are listed would not be prohibited by us, but prohibited by the properties

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deed. So if the property were to be resounded M1, these are all the uses that could go there.

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So again, ask yourself what uses are appropriate, what should go there, what should not go there.

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Red font just means that that uses a lot by the city, but it's prohibited by the deed.

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These are the uses that would be allowed under conditional use permit if it were resound to M1.

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And of course, these uses they would have to come before you all come before counsel receive approval and then they could apply for their business license.

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Furthermore, if it were resound to W, here's a list of uses that could potentially go here.

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Again, we're recommending the OW district because we don't want to impose a hardship on the property owner.

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We want to say, here are uses that you could find users for, so we're not limiting them in how they're using their property.

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These are some uses that are allowed by Conditioning Use Permit if the property were resowned to OW.

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So, if there were industrial intensity scale,

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the way our zoning districts would work as OI, which just stands for Office Institutional,

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it would be the least intense that allows for public institutions, schools, learning institutions,

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offices, then we go a little bit further.

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OW is the next intense, which, you know, it's still not an intense industrial use.

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It just, you know, kind of opens it up to warehousing storage,

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but again, everything has to be indoors, not outdoors.

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then we get to the other side. M1 starts to get more intense and then of course M2 is our most

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heaviest of the industrial districts. Also I do want to stress that the city is actively

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working on a multi-use path. This would give pedestrians and bicyclists direct access from

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the road all the way to downtown Doreville, so this property directly lies in where the path

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is going to go, so also ask yourself what type of uses would be appropriate for these

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pedestrians, for these bicyclists traveling to and from Oakley Road to downtown.

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We think this is going to be a great project to increase safety. So we want to just make sure that any use that goes

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here is going to align with pedestrian safety.

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Here's another slide of the path.

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So in conclusion, we are recommending to

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die the request to rezoned to M1, we are recommending to rezoned it to OW.

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Is because M1, the uses are just not appropriate.

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The uses are the opposite of what the comprehensive plan envisions, staff is also recommending

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that the OW is in line with the new comprehensive plan.

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So, the idea for offering a different zoning district is because leaving the property

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zone to M2C and keeping the current zoning condition, that itself could impose a hardship

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on the property owner.

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So if we leave M2C, that means that the property owner is limited to just a single use,

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and that would severely impose a hardship on them.

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So, to correct that, they do need a zoning district that would allow for, would open the door for multiple uses.

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The basis of staff's recommended denials listed on the screen.

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It includes keeping industrial activities out of the vehicle to record or keeping this area's general commercial.

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If a new industrial activity is introduced into the corridor, it may not support the incremental redevelopment that we've been hoping for.

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such as enhanced public spaces and improved walkability.

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Additionally, it may not allow for opportunities to be maintained,

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nor for locally owned businesses and culturally significant destinations to thrive.

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The applicant and owner of Wiseguys, Wesley Bloom, is here tonight.

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They think want to make a presentation, but staff and also the applicant are here to answer any questions.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Before we have the applicant and representative come up. Does anybody have any questions for your stuff?

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Yeah. This is just immediate.

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If it's Barbara Dyson, tell me if it's not the adjacent TFI property that's owned by Marta.

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Is there any, like, there are other plans for that? Or are they just, like, is there any conversations around that?

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No, no current plans. The idea behind that vacant parcel. It was for an expansion tick when at so it could have been maybe like another stop.

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but they are holding on to these properties,

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just because of the land is so valuable now.

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So if there were any expansions,

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they would maybe create maybe another stop or something

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along the line.

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So no plans, but possibly in the future.

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And if I'm jumping ahead, we can come back later.

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But like the, when I was reading the packet,

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the current plans that wise guys have,

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they would not fit with the noW

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because is it because of the most like the outdoor storage pieces and the buffers for

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like the multi-use path? I'm just trying to make sure that like it seems like if I saw correctly

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in the agenda packet that there was like a counter-imposed within that that I think they offered to

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like help do some of the streetscaping and things like that. So I understand. They could operate

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but they'd be severely limited when I when I have applicants I always want them to use a property

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how they need to use it. I don't want to limit them. I don't want them to not be able to do stuff

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that would. You know, I want their business to have the best chance of success. So the OW district

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would kind of hinder them. It would have them have a locate everything indoors even their trucks

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with equipment because equipment can be visible outdoors. They can't do any activities outside

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like preparing res or preparing their trucks, so OW would just be like inside activities, so they

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could move like their office here and then store things in the warehouse, but from the list that

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they gave us, it would severely hinder their operations. They wouldn't need that M1 district to

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kind of be free to do what they were requesting to do, so.

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Thank you.

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I have a really quick question

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around the current world that's the M2C is what they are district at now.

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The recommendation is to the OW if they were to stay with the M2C and you had stated it is because

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it was still hinder them because they would only be able to do one thing so they couldn't

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have the office and the equipment all in the same space as that. Correct or?

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They could only have office and warehousing if it was related to oil and gas purposes.

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So,

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Why guys couldn't come in and use it as an office

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in warehouse because their activity is precious Washington.

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Thank you.

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Great question.

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All right, thank you.

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I think we are ready for the applicant to go ahead and come up.

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you can have up to 10 minutes.

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Good evening.

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First, I would like to, my name is Carson White.

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I'm here on behalf of Kendra Morgan.

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I think I met with you last month.

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And then we have Wes here as well who is representing wise guys.

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I think that I just wanted to know that I want to thank the staff because we've been working with the planning department.

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Really since late 2025 and how we would approach this matter and trying to move forward with having some life breathed back into that warehouse.

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and hopefully this is a good path forward.

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Just wanted to note that in reviewing the comprehensive

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plan, especially the 2022-2042 comprehensive plan,

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there was a commitment by the City Council

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and by the planning department at that time

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in that plan that the theme was forward together,

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moving forward together.

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And we think this is a plan that we've proposed

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in our packet to move forward together.

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And in that plan, it was stated that the purpose

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of the Comprehensive Plan was to serve as a guide and to allow for flexibility for unforeseen

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opportunities and ideas that may arise.

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And so I think that is important to note that as you review the 26th to 26th to 26th

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Comprehensive Plan varies an easy solution to this, and that is to include, and that was

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our request.

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Let me just to be clear, the initial request was to include the property into the specialty

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tank form district, where we believe it would have remained if we hadn't gone down

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the path of subdividing and from the plans that we've been able to see up through the May

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29, 2020, 6 public meeting engagement meeting, it still appeared as though this property

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was included in the specialty tank district.

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So I think that that is important to note,

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because that district does allow for M1 use,

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Albert eloquently stated that the city council wanted to keep

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industrial uses out of the U.I. culture corridor.

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And allowing this property to be in the specialty district

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being that the warehouse is 15 feet from a tank.

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I think resolves the concern as well as brings a thriving business into the city of Doraville.

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And so just wanted to make sure to note that I also wanted to note that on some of the reasons for it now,

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that I think that is important to note.

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One of them being the multimodal trail that will be coming down.

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It was peach tree on the north side.

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The comment was made that you want to keep that out of an M1 use, but we also need to remain mindful that it will be coming through as well as an M2C use with the tank form that is adjacent to that property.

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So it is important that everyone, all of the community uses whether that be M2C or M1, hopefully come together to work that.

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But you're going to have a multi-use, a multi-zoning corridor along a new

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peach tree, whether this property is in Bihak Hordor or whether it's in the specialty

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tank form district.

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But I suggest and propose that what makes the most sense is for the property to be in

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these specialty tank district so that we can all find a solution that works and so we can

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go through the slides, if you like, and this is just kind of an

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as Albert stated, you know, the evolution of the property, the

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evolution of the comprehensive plans that y'all have done here in

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Doraville. And I think that because the specialty tank farm district is

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now included, where it used to be the Bihai culture corridor.

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Because the tank form currently is in the Buchi cultural corridor. But I think through community engagement and through discussions that y'all have seen over the last five years, you realize that, hey, this is some infrastructure that we need to especially approach and be mindful of. And we will have special use districts along New Peach Street. And this is a community that has to work together. But you know, you have to kind of approach it in a realistic manner that the tank form is there.

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And what can we put in close proximity to it to allow for the city to thrive and continue to offer new opportunities and you know not not handcuff ourselves.

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So let's move through this.

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This is talking about the property zoning and thank you with for putting together these slides for 71 years.

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The property was on M1 and I think Albert went into, you know, the comprehensive plan planning that was done.

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It took the property to T5 and then later on to M2C.

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This is the existing land use map, which shows, and we wanted to highlight this, because

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this shows industrial and industrial section, including where the tank farms are, and let

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me also know that there are some properties north of the rail that are also individually

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subdivided.

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They have their own cap County tax ID, but the importance was a buffer zone in what was

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in the 2026 and 2046 comprehensive plan.

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And so there are some properties there that are undeveloped,

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but the importance is that there are buffers on them.

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This would be a buffer property as an M1.

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So, you know, we want you to keep that in mind.

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This shows the location of the property there.

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Again, I want to reiterate,

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you can see how close that is to the tank farm.

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And I also want to mention, I know that Albert mentioned

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that there are some uses that are associated

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with OW but we want to keep in mind and I think you have it highlighted here that they're on

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the east side of the property is what we refer to as pipeline easements and so I know you can't

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see them on this map because they're not denoted but if you go out they are there are some pipeline

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markers along that and with pipelines come additional restrictions things that you can and can't

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develop over those pipeline easements because we need to be able to access that for the operation

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and maintenance of the pipes. So this very much still is even though it doesn't have a tank on it,

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the property does have oil and gas pipelines on it so we did want to note that.

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And this is just

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an evolution of the property, but I was telling my co-workers that it denotes how close the warehouse

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is two of those tanks, even more reason why this should be included in tank farm district.

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For the interest of time, I'll continue on so that West can have an opportunity to speak.

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The 2022-2042 comprehensive plan, as you can see, it was kind of like a whole swap along

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new peeps tree, everything south of the rail was included in the Bihawk culture corridor. However,

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you know, retrospect, retrospect is key and I think going back and looking at the the uses

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along that road is why now the specialty tank form district is there. Or we'll be recommended to be there.

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This is what I alluded to earlier.

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This was the meetings that was held May 29th of 2026.

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And as you can see, the warehouse is in what appears to be the tank farm district.

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And so when the plan was released in July, we were a little surprised I have to say that

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the property was carved out based on property boundaries.

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So what appeared to be what was the newly subdivided parcel?

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I think the intent and what was discussed with the public and probably what was shown to

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the public is that this would remain in the tank farm district.

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The plan that was released is now carbon at the property.

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This is what was shown in July.

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So between May and July,

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it appears that there was a carve out.

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The timing, you've been through that.

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And now I'll mute my time to waste so that he can talk about the wonderful things that

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why guys can do for the community.

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Hi, perfect.

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Hello, everyone.

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Okay, I'll talk really fast.

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So I'm Wesley Bloom, I started with the company when I was in college.

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And we now are the largest press-roaching company in Georgia. We've got, again, you can look us up online. There's a picture of our company a couple of years ago. The big emphasis that I want you to see is how clean we present. We're a cleaning company. So we need to look good in the process. That's something that's really important to us at all of our equipment is that is kept up. Here's us cleaning Georgia Tech's football stadium. You can see the truck pay attention to the truck more so than stadium without clean it is. Here's the inside of our current warehouse right now. You can see that it's in one zoning.

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currently in Petri corners and you can see that you know trying to keep it as clean as possible

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be honest it's not exactly as clean as I want but it's good enough for a photo.

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Here's the traffic along the property and that's a concern is that we don't want to

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add the traffic and that's a concern that we have to make sure that we can get in and out of

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the property that we operate out of and so you can see that Buffard Highway's got almost 30,000 vehicles

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a day versus new Petri only has 10,000. This is put together by Lena Associates, one of the largest

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commercial real estate companies in the city.

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Here's the front of the property right now.

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I'm done look good, I'm being honest, and I don't mean

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to say anything about a kind of Morgan, but I'm not the owner,

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so it's not my house.

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I'm done look good, and it's not just the outside

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that doesn't look good, it's really the inside.

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If you pay attention on the outside though,

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the roof is really the biggest thing to pay attention

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to because it looks really bad.

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There's rust all over it.

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It needs a new roof.

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If you look at the inside, the inside's rough

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couldn't get a CO if you wanted to.

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There's missing bat. It's never a good sign when you have

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Porto-Potties outside of a building that's not under construction

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So there's no lights on the inside of it. There's no h-vac. There's no flooring. There is nothing

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So $2 million is what it would cost us to retrofit the building to be able to operate it

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So it's not just buying the building. It's buying the building and then spending $2 million to do it

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Here's the properties across the street. These are T5 properties

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right now they're legally non-conforming is my understanding. But again, and, you know, hopefully

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we would be neighbors and hopefully we'd be friends with them, but their property looks

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even worse than, you know, kind of mortgage. You know, you can see that I don't know if

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there was a firecross trip, I'm really sure, again, doesn't look good. And they've got more vehicles

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parked outside than we would, and there's no screening whatsoever. And I think part of what would

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be exciting is to put some pressure on them to step it up. Here's what we would be proposing in

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of what the outside would look like. I know that M1 doesn't require this, but that doesn't

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mean that we shouldn't still do it. I think that the eight foot, you know, chain-link vinyl

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code exactly what they want from a city standpoint is the minimum, but we would do more than

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the minimum. So we would be adding entries to provide shade to the walking path. We would put

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out benches for people to sit on as they're using the path. We would put a bike repair station.

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And then the idea is that we would talk to the city public arts commission I've already sent them an email to start with the conversation about what it would look like to have some four by eight pieces across the front edge of the fence there.

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One of the things when I was in the city council meeting last week I sat through the whole thing it was fantastic I didn't know what flock was but now I do.

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The, one of the things I was mentioned was that the parks are not where the city wants them to be, and so it was going through the comprehensive plan, which I've become somewhat of an expert and over this whole process.

439
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And so, in looking at it, you know, they're comfortable and attractive, but we can help with the attractive piece, the comfortable piece, I don't think we can really help with that.

440
00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:32,810
make sure that it's in good functioning condition we can help with that. The thing that stands

441
00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:39,210
out to me is underneath the 3.15 where it says, fair condition. I don't know about y'all

442
00:38:39,210 --> 00:38:43,710
but fair, it doesn't get me excited, right? Like, I don't want my business to be in fair condition.

443
00:38:43,850 --> 00:38:48,250
I want my business to be in good and excellent condition. So how can we help with that? Well,

444
00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:51,990
that is time. Okay, that's fine. Unless somebody would like to make a motion to give him a couple

445
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:52,530
minutes.

446
00:38:55,670 --> 00:39:00,650
I'd like to make a motion to give him a couple more minutes. Yeah, five more minutes.

447
00:39:00,650 --> 00:39:09,210
Should be good. We have a second so one of the ways that we want to give back to the community is

448
00:39:09,210 --> 00:39:18,300
Second I was almost on all in favor. Sorry, okay with that. Yes, okay. Yes, sorry

449
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:20,360
I didn't mean to jump the gun. I just don't know how this stuff works

450
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,020
So one of the ways that we give back to the community and not just like in Dorville

451
00:39:25,020 --> 00:39:29,960
But in general is that we give back we do free cleaning the parks and schools and churches and so forth

452
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:35,020
Because we don't have a home right now, we just lease and piece of corners, we've been spreading those efforts around.

453
00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:40,280
The idea is that by being in doorville, we would have a reason to put all of those efforts towards doorville.

454
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,040
So here's a picture of one of the trucks.

455
00:39:42,060 --> 00:39:44,180
I put this in here just so you knew it wasn't AI.

456
00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:46,960
The other photos that I'm going to show you that this actually is us.

457
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,320
On the left is a side of the before.

458
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,420
You can see there's algae on the sign on the right.

459
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:53,900
There's not algae on the sign.

460
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:58,900
This is the main sign, just again, not a great first impression.

461
00:39:58,900 --> 00:39:59,880
then the

462
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,420
Sidewalk in front of the, this is the sidewalk directly in front of the park. It looks better but it's not

463
00:40:05,420 --> 00:40:10,840
so much a matter that it looks better, it's safer. So the sidewalk when it's dirty, it's slippery and we don't

464
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,140
want anything to happen to any of the residents that are using the park. So we cleaned all of the concrete

465
00:40:15,140 --> 00:40:19,700
sidewalks that are around. There is some new concrete at the park that we didn't clean because it's too early

466
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:25,940
to be cleaned. Here's one of the sitting areas of the park. There's multiple different sitting areas and nobody wants

467
00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:31,100
sit on algae, I wouldn't think. So we went ahead and cleaned all of those off as well, and we cleaned

468
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:35,580
the concrete below them, as well as the trash cans, which normally don't think about cleaning

469
00:40:35,580 --> 00:40:38,240
the outside of the trash cans, but they were green so we went ahead and didn't anyways.

470
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,760
You can see that just in a couple of hours after we did some, I'm assuming little one,

471
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,380
it could have been the big one, I'm not sure. You know, decided to put chalk on the fresh concrete,

472
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:53,080
and so I thought that was kind of cool. Here's the place structure as we cleaned all the

473
00:40:54,340 --> 00:40:58,780
You can see on the, we clean the sign too, but again, that's not as impressive as the place structure.

474
00:40:59,220 --> 00:41:02,840
At the top, you can see the algae in the lake and that was on the top there.

475
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,200
And to keep in mind, I spoke with Kim, Miss Kim, over the recreation department.

476
00:41:07,660 --> 00:41:11,180
She okay this, she was really appreciative and excited about it.

477
00:41:11,180 --> 00:41:13,580
And she recommended this specific park.

478
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,920
It coincidentally happens to be the one closest to the property, but I didn't know that till afterwards.

479
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,060
Then there's the place that, which is a really kind of a good close up of what

480
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:25,460
but was there and what is no longer there?

481
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:26,980
One of the things that Ms. Kim mentioned

482
00:41:26,980 --> 00:41:29,260
is that they need new play equipment

483
00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:31,040
and I would make the argument at this point

484
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,460
that it wasn't that they needed new play equipment

485
00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:33,640
as they're just really dirty.

486
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,560
The last thing I have here is that ultimately

487
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,600
what we're trying to find a solution

488
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,300
to where we can come to the city of Doreville,

489
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,600
we can't really control, I guess,

490
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:48,180
how our business operates, we spray water,

491
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,060
we have equipment that requires us to do that.

492
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,600
And through the whole process,

493
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,640
We've been trying to do everything the right way.

494
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:54,640
We've been super transparent.

495
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:57,040
Albert and I are pretty much best friends now.

496
00:41:57,220 --> 00:41:58,740
You can't admit it right now.

497
00:42:00,140 --> 00:42:03,560
But Albert and I, we've talked a number of times

498
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,300
over the phone and person.

499
00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:06,540
I've sat down with Austin.

500
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,220
And I really wanted to get the staff's recommendation.

501
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:11,800
They weren't willing to give it to me.

502
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:12,360
I understand.

503
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,060
And so I just want to make sure to make it very clear

504
00:42:15,060 --> 00:42:18,100
that I don't want to go against what the city is trying to do.

505
00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:20,260
I want to do exactly what the city is trying to do.

506
00:42:20,260 --> 00:42:28,740
And I think the, you know, the frontage improvements of what we would be doing is an exact line with what the new picture corridor wants.

507
00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:39,800
And so ultimately, you know, what goes on behind the fence, whether it's OW or whether it's M1, keep in mind that the super heavy uses required the conditional use permit that y'all would be voting on.

508
00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:46,420
And so it's not like, you know, some factory can just start up in the middle of the downtown corridor without y'all knowing.

509
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:54,440
So, really, if there's only four options, there's no truly a center option, so that's where M1 comes in a place.

510
00:42:54,520 --> 00:43:01,500
It's already M2 now, so we're just asking to be able to reduce it just a little bit from where it is now, so that way we can actually operate.

511
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,760
So, but thank you for your time.

512
00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:05,540
All right, thank you.

513
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,940
Does anybody have any questions for the applicants?

514
00:43:14,290 --> 00:43:18,470
So what I didn't get is the outdoor storage,

515
00:43:18,510 --> 00:43:23,870
specifically, what is it about in one that requires you

516
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:27,030
to have that designation versus office warehouse.

517
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:30,450
I feel like you can do 90% but I feel like this 10%

518
00:43:30,450 --> 00:43:31,150
you haven't mentioned.

519
00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:35,670
Yeah, I think my understanding is that the IFR vehicles

520
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:38,350
didn't have equipment on them that we would be able

521
00:43:38,350 --> 00:43:41,250
to park them outside and that it would not have to be in one

522
00:43:41,250 --> 00:43:42,090
is that correct?

523
00:43:43,630 --> 00:43:45,990
So all of our equipment is bolted to the truck.

524
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:48,550
So we can't take it off the truck.

525
00:43:49,590 --> 00:43:51,990
So that's one of the my understanding

526
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:53,650
is that that's the biggest reason.

527
00:43:54,250 --> 00:43:55,870
That was one of the things that I asked Albert

528
00:43:55,870 --> 00:43:58,150
if there was a way to still be, you know,

529
00:43:58,270 --> 00:44:00,450
have a condition on OW for us to operate,

530
00:44:01,130 --> 00:44:02,790
but it doesn't sound like that's the case.

531
00:44:03,010 --> 00:44:03,630
Is that true Albert?

532
00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:07,690
So what about chemical storage?

533
00:44:07,690 --> 00:44:13,250
Yeah, so we do, we use sodium hypercloride, which is the active ingredient in bleach.

534
00:44:13,950 --> 00:44:17,050
It's exactly what's used to clean water at the water treatment plant.

535
00:44:17,650 --> 00:44:19,290
And so we need a place to put that.

536
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:22,270
We've had it at our current facility indoors.

537
00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:23,670
We've also had it outdoors.

538
00:44:24,850 --> 00:44:31,170
It's not hazardous, it's not combustible, it's not flammable, it's corrosive, which

539
00:44:31,170 --> 00:44:35,230
you kind of don't want inside when you have equipment inside.

540
00:44:35,230 --> 00:44:43,690
So ideally, you know, that's another reason for why M1 would be ideal for us is that it would allow for our tanks to be outside, so that way it's not inside.

541
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:51,210
And I think part of it too, it's safe, but at the same time, like outside there's a lot more error and so forth.

542
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:53,810
But how much are you going to need to have on site?

543
00:44:54,910 --> 00:44:59,970
So right, we would need a few thousand gallons, which to put it in perspective, that takes...

544
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,520
That's right next to the building is 300,000 gallons of oil. Our tanks, the biggest tanks that we have are 3,000 gallons.

545
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:19,160
We have two of them, and the only reason why we have two of them is because we get it delivered by tanker, and so tanker is 4500 gallons at a time. It's hard to deliver.

546
00:45:20,180 --> 00:45:24,200
And technically, you can't store more than 1,000 gallons in size that correct.

547
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,680
No, we can store more than that inside the building, then.

548
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:31,280
I don't know.

549
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:40,120
From what I looked up on for the Cap County, I don't think you can store more than 1,000 gallons inside without appropriate water spray color system.

550
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,640
Well, that's part of it.

551
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,800
Is that, you know, part of this process is going through that process.

552
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,680
of, I've talked to Carson Newman, you know, over the planning committee about a fire sprinkler

553
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,300
of system, if we would have to do that, I've already started getting quotes for it.

554
00:45:55,540 --> 00:45:57,780
We're like fully ready to go, this isn't speculative.

555
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:03,100
This is like we could close on the property that day after it's approved, if it does get approved

556
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:03,660
by council.

557
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:09,520
And so we already have our funding in place and so forth, so we have the, I already have

558
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,960
a quote for a fire sprinkler system, we're still determining whether or not we're going

559
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,440
have to have a base on our use.

560
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,060
But if we have to have it, then we will put it in.

561
00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:25,840
And so if you did Word of Put, I guess,

562
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,300
I'm not sure what the procedure for Word of Put

563
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:30,700
an Outdoor Tank in, but you'd have a containment area.

564
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:32,560
Yeah, yes.

565
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,200
So it's really important that you have two forms of containment.

566
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,120
Well, you have to have a secondary form of containment.

567
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,340
So you basically have a tank inside of a tank.

568
00:46:40,860 --> 00:46:42,700
And so we have that now at our current facility.

569
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:44,120
So we have the same thing there.

570
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,300
And there's no connections at the bottom of the tank.

571
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:54,700
It is a specific type of plastic that's super dense, that's rated for 1.9 specific gravity,

572
00:46:54,860 --> 00:46:59,300
which means basically twice the heaviness of water, so yes, it would be inside another tank.

573
00:47:01,740 --> 00:47:07,860
And when you guys perform your services, I mean, I feel like this is, I'm not sure how regulated it is,

574
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,820
but I mean, you guys,

575
00:47:12,610 --> 00:47:16,390
you know, ensure that you're not letting any of the backlash, I guess,

576
00:47:16,570 --> 00:47:18,090
go into the streams and sewer systems.

577
00:47:18,090 --> 00:47:20,870
Yeah, so we actually use what's called bat guards.

578
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:22,250
It's a product that we use.

579
00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:25,770
We're the only company that I'm aware of that does what we do that does that.

580
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:28,210
Pressure washing has a very low barrier of entry, right?

581
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:28,870
You go to Home Depot.

582
00:47:28,990 --> 00:47:29,750
You can buy a machine.

583
00:47:29,970 --> 00:47:30,970
Now you have a pressure washing company.

584
00:47:31,770 --> 00:47:36,650
And so for us we might have started that way when I was in college, but we've quickly gone

585
00:47:36,650 --> 00:47:37,310
away from that.

586
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:42,750
So we're the largest in Georgia, we're maybe the largest in the southeast, we're one of

587
00:47:42,750 --> 00:47:43,710
the largest in the country.

588
00:47:43,710 --> 00:47:48,510
And, you know, the thing is, is that I graduated college in 2017, so now that long ago,

589
00:47:48,590 --> 00:47:50,190
2018 was the first full year.

590
00:47:50,550 --> 00:47:54,650
So we're kind of a pioneer in the industry, everyone's looking at us instead of us looking

591
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:55,170
at them.

592
00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:57,870
So we now carry that sock, basically.

593
00:47:58,590 --> 00:48:02,330
And any time we're doing any sort of cleaning where the water would be leaving the property,

594
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:04,590
we set that sock up to block that from happening.

595
00:48:08,610 --> 00:48:09,490
Thank you.

596
00:48:09,490 --> 00:48:11,190
Thank you.

597
00:48:13,820 --> 00:48:15,180
I shouldn't spare you up again.

598
00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:20,220
Not really for the applicant, but for Albert.

599
00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:29,630
I do have, based upon something that I had seen in the slide that from,

600
00:48:30,510 --> 00:48:31,270
I can't remember.

601
00:48:32,050 --> 00:48:36,430
Where she displayed the May and June.

602
00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:40,310
I'm sorry, the May and July changes on the map.

603
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:43,910
Can you help me understand what changed in why?

604
00:48:45,070 --> 00:49:09,310
Yeah, so I'll have to go back a little bit before that the property was one parcel to begin with to even come before you all to remove the zoning condition or even to reason the property we wouldn't be able to remove the zoning condition or reason the property with the parcel being one parcel.

605
00:49:09,310 --> 00:49:16,270
So, we had informed them, in order to have a fighting chance, you've got to separate these

606
00:49:16,270 --> 00:49:21,370
parcels off, you know, do the warehouse building on one parcel, storage tanks on one

607
00:49:21,370 --> 00:49:29,250
parcel, that way the condition can still remain on the storage tanks, but then, you know,

608
00:49:29,310 --> 00:49:33,550
you'll have a little bit of freedom for the warehouse parcel.

609
00:49:35,730 --> 00:49:40,990
The TSW consultants who are working on our comprehensive plan,

610
00:49:44,130 --> 00:49:58,250
I'm not too sure, I wasn't on the steering committee, so I don't know all the details, but I do know that they saw those tanks and maybe were recommending that those parcels should go in the tank firm districts.

611
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:59,970
I would also like to know

612
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:08,040
So that within the tank farm specialty districts, the implementation strategy is to encourage

613
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:15,580
curge is a city to continue efforts to consolidate these tank sites and to allow for long-term

614
00:50:15,580 --> 00:50:22,280
growth of redevelopment of the B.H. cultural corridor. And so all that to say is when the lots

615
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:31,460
what happened, we now recognize that, hey, the tanks are on one parcel, there is a building

616
00:50:31,460 --> 00:50:33,100
on a separate parcel.

617
00:50:35,260 --> 00:50:38,080
The vacant warehouse building should not belong in the tank from

618
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:44,260
districts, just because it's not serving that purpose. And so a decision was made after this

619
00:50:44,260 --> 00:50:53,040
it to bring that parcel into the Bu High Culture Accordor. But again, as you saw from the 2022-2042

620
00:50:53,040 --> 00:51:00,440
plan, it was always in the Bu High Culture Accordor. Our intent was not to like add any new

621
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,760
industrial activity, but because the lot split happened, it just created the opportunity.

622
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:13,560
And so it did, it did appear as though we made a quick shift on them, but the intent was always there

623
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:19,120
to make sure that industrial uses are not on new PC road.

624
00:51:19,460 --> 00:51:20,940
Like we recognize those things are there

625
00:51:20,940 --> 00:51:22,340
and they're not going anywhere.

626
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,540
But this property has the ability to go somewhere.

627
00:51:25,860 --> 00:51:28,920
So we don't want, we want to stay away

628
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,580
from the industrial activity.

629
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,040
And so that is why it got changed to being

630
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,060
in the B. High Cultural Accord or.

631
00:51:43,740 --> 00:51:44,900
The answer to your question.

632
00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:46,260
It did I answer your question.

633
00:51:47,860 --> 00:51:53,600
Did what I prompted another question, and looking at, and I was a picture that you had,

634
00:51:54,180 --> 00:52:01,760
that's in our packet, where the building that is in question right next to the rest

635
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,820
of the tanks, when I'm looking at it to my lab, and it looks like I haven't been out there,

636
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:09,080
but it looks like a very close proximity.

637
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,040
So,

638
00:52:12,980 --> 00:52:18,880
what type of, because in my mind, and, you know, trying to stick with the comprehensive

639
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:25,780
plan as well, when, and I wasn't obviously involved in those things, but what type of

640
00:52:25,780 --> 00:52:33,200
business is expected to be wanting to be next to a tank farm, like literally, like, yeah.

641
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:41,800
So we don't look at what, like, the current user could be, you know, we don't look at, you know,

642
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,280
why is guys staying there forever?

643
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:53,460
What staff has the challenge of doing is, once why is guys leaves, now the doors open to anything

644
00:52:54,520 --> 00:53:03,250
that would be M1 if it were to be resound to M1, remind me of your question again, I feel like

645
00:53:03,250 --> 00:53:05,030
I was going somewhere with that.

646
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:12,420
Yeah, I mean, even before-wise, guys,

647
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:13,600
yeah, that's where I was laying that plane.

648
00:53:15,260 --> 00:53:19,200
So we know that that building does not have to stay there

649
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,360
in its current shape and current form.

650
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,080
There could be redevelopment of the site.

651
00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:28,200
That is zoning.

652
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:29,740
So you change the zoning.

653
00:53:30,340 --> 00:53:33,180
If it's not conforming, we say you've got to meet

654
00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:35,140
the new zoning district.

655
00:53:35,140 --> 00:53:38,900
And so, you know, the building could be moved.

656
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,900
This I could be reconfigured.

657
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:48,340
You know, another user with, you know, an idea that fits the W District, you know, could

658
00:53:48,340 --> 00:53:49,640
redevelop this site.

659
00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:56,200
So we don't always look at, like, that building is going to stay there forever, because

660
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,060
it potentially couldn't.

661
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:04,760
So we agree that having a building, what 15 feet away from a sort,

662
00:54:05,100 --> 00:54:07,620
we agree that that's not ideal.

663
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:11,900
You would probably want a buffer and some more space

664
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:13,620
to for safety reasons.

665
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,480
But that is just what is existing on the site.

666
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:25,300
And so we're looking at it as potentially redevelopment

667
00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:28,040
or something else, long term in the future,

668
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,140
not just what is being proposed today.

669
00:54:38,740 --> 00:54:40,300
Well, I'll have public comment here in a minute.

670
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:42,760
OK.

671
00:54:43,540 --> 00:54:44,140
Did you have any questions?

672
00:54:51,380 --> 00:54:54,940
So one question I have is that in your presentation,

673
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,240
you referred to the M1 as like a buffer zone.

674
00:54:58,720 --> 00:54:59,960
I was wondering if you could expand on that.

675
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,780
And just say more about what you mean about what are we buffering from what time?

676
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:12,220
Yeah, I'm going to let Kirsten answer first because they actually have language around what they need from a buffer standpoint.

677
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:14,100
Thank you.

678
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:27,360
Yes, I can speak to that. And as a matter of fact, that language came from, I took it from the recommendation that was made by the staff and that they said that this would be a perfect transitional zoning category.

679
00:55:28,220 --> 00:55:34,320
from the M2C to the OW, whereas we propose that an M1 would be their appropriate

680
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:35,260
buffer category.

681
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:42,540
Kind of speaking to what Ms. Billy Joe said is to what kind of use would you realistically

682
00:55:42,540 --> 00:55:50,840
have, whether it be now or in the future that is 15 feet away from a tank, and not only that,

683
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:57,940
But, you know, with spoke to the dollars that it's going to take just to bring the property up to occupancy.

684
00:55:58,500 --> 00:56:05,560
And so for a buffer for us is, you know, the tank form operator as well as someone that has pipelines, you know, going through the property.

685
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:14,100
We're thinking of buffer property as a use that can be conforming to what we could, you know, have operating realistically that's adjacent to us.

686
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:36,200
But that wouldn't pose such a safety hazard or, you know, cause for something to have like a clash change in the pipe because the occupancy is too high or someone to come in and want to build some infrastructure over that green space, which we can't have, because we have pipelines that go through there.

687
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,080
And so when you talk about the possibility

688
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:44,040
of redevelopment, I don't, future redevelopment,

689
00:56:44,620 --> 00:56:46,880
you have to think about the restrictions of the property.

690
00:56:47,100 --> 00:56:49,180
Just like if you were trying to put a pool in

691
00:56:49,180 --> 00:56:52,100
and you had easements running in the back of your home,

692
00:56:52,820 --> 00:56:56,720
you want to put a pool in, but that easement is perpetual.

693
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:03,180
And you have to do things that are in line with the parties

694
00:57:03,180 --> 00:57:05,300
that have the priority rights to that land.

695
00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:07,620
And so when I say above or property, I mean,

696
00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:13,420
something that can operate adjacent to us and not restrict

697
00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:17,420
be as restrictive of what we wouldn't be able to operate

698
00:57:17,420 --> 00:57:20,600
our pipelines operate our terminal and something

699
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,680
that we feel is safe for the community.

700
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,240
I think it's the idea of that is basically

701
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,800
that you're not introducing additional risk to the terminal.

702
00:57:32,420 --> 00:57:34,760
So the deed restrictions, the reason why the deed

703
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:40,380
are there or to minimize the risk to the terminal next door.

704
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,500
That's why there's no schools, that's why there's no housing.

705
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:47,900
There can't be parks there, which is part of the reason why this property

706
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:50,860
really should be looked at separately from the city's initiatives.

707
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,200
The beef art highway cultural corridors, a fantastic idea.

708
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,460
It's just more a matter of that there's not another property in the city of Doreville.

709
00:57:58,540 --> 00:58:00,880
That's 15 feet from one tank on one side.

710
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:06,780
15 or 25 feet from the pipeline on the other side with an active row wrote on the back of it.

711
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:15,620
So it's kind of in a unique position to where, you know, it's, and it's, it's so old that nowadays like Kinder Morgan would never do that.

712
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:24,980
I looked on Google and I did measurements to see like the closest building to a tank that the next closest building is 150 feet from a tank.

713
00:58:25,180 --> 00:58:26,060
So you'll be some context.

714
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:27,900
Thank you.

715
00:58:30,550 --> 00:58:37,790
So, if we were to approve the M1, would you be

716
00:58:37,790 --> 00:58:41,050
immunable to conditions? I did see in your application

717
00:58:41,050 --> 00:58:45,110
for the parking and outdoor storage to be contained within a

718
00:58:45,110 --> 00:58:49,910
secure gated in-screen fence, would you also be willing to accept

719
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:53,570
the landscape buffer conditions, the street,

720
00:59:00,030 --> 00:59:00,510
street,

721
00:59:00,510 --> 00:59:02,730
architectural standards that we have in an OW?

722
00:59:03,330 --> 00:59:09,970
I don't want to speak on the OW part because I don't know exactly what the OW requirements

723
00:59:09,970 --> 00:59:10,910
are.

724
00:59:11,650 --> 00:59:17,330
In terms of everything that was presented, in terms of what we would do, yes, I'm good with

725
00:59:17,330 --> 00:59:17,690
that.

726
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:21,490
I'm not saying that I'm not good with the OW standards, I just don't know what those

727
00:59:21,490 --> 00:59:22,090
are.

728
00:59:22,690 --> 00:59:25,330
And I mean, unless Albert wants to speak on those.

729
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:36,240
It's a very big comprehensive chapter in the zoning ordinance.

730
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,940
But it basically states that if you're doing brand new development,

731
00:59:40,620 --> 00:59:44,140
you've got to meet architectural standards from building materials.

732
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,240
So it's got to look like a brick stone,

733
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,100
hardcore.co on the outside.

734
00:59:49,860 --> 00:59:52,280
You've got to have architectural elements,

735
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,740
like cornices, awnings, pillars.

736
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,840
You've got to have certain windows.

737
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,920
You've got to meet certain window.

738
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:29,980
And so, it really lends itself to have a quality building. Also, the streetscape standards, you know, well, since the multi-path is already going in and there being, you know, possibly condition to do that, you know, that kind of fits together as well. But the architectural standards just really go above and beyond to just,

739
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:33,000
bring a higher quality building to to the corridor?

740
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,740
Well, and they would stop to come to you for building permits and everything like that, right?

741
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:44,080
Yes, if they were to, well, if it's new development, so if it's a brand new building,

742
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:50,840
if they're renovating 40% of the primary facade, that will also trigger some architectural standards.

743
01:00:51,300 --> 01:00:57,540
If they're adding to the building at least 20% I believe, then it will also trigger those standards.

744
01:00:57,540 --> 01:01:00,240
So it just depends on if they're renovating the building,

745
01:01:01,020 --> 01:01:04,340
if they're renovating the facade, adding to it or building brand new,

746
01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:05,680
certain triggers would apply.

747
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,100
But we could ask them to work with you, should that arise?

748
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:13,740
Yeah, the condition would be, you can just state architectural standards,

749
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,620
if that's what you want them to follow,

750
01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:20,500
you know, if any new or redevelopment were to occur on the property.

751
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,580
Okay, and would you be okay with that?

752
01:01:24,580 --> 01:01:31,780
Yeah, I think that the, you know, part of it is the, you know, like he mentioned a lot of that is with new construction, the buildings already there.

753
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,720
We are planning on doing a lot of the things that would align with what Adobe would want in terms of adding more windows.

754
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,320
There's not many windows on there right now.

755
01:01:39,620 --> 01:01:45,520
And so we'd be adding a lot more windows for our own employee sanity, which would align with that.

756
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:51,780
So in terms of the, you know, I guess the biggest thing is that the frontage is really more of what would be seen.

757
01:01:51,780 --> 01:01:58,000
the building because it's sat on a slight hill and the building is 250 feet from the street.

758
01:01:59,020 --> 01:02:07,100
So I don't know that necessarily making adjustments to the building itself would be like super

759
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:11,420
beneficial. In this case the frontage definitely because that's what would be seen. So I think

760
01:02:11,420 --> 01:02:17,460
the frontage I definitely feel good about because I've already budgeted for that. The building itself

761
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:26,920
Again, I don't know what exactly, you know, that entails, and what that would cost, and I know that we're already planning on such extensive work on the inside of it.

762
01:02:27,260 --> 01:02:33,460
We're not planning on expanding the building or doing any adjustments to the facade besides the roof being changed.

763
01:02:34,140 --> 01:02:41,760
But I mean Albert knows that we're going to be working to, we would work together through the process in terms of, you know, from a building permit standpoint and so forth.

764
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:47,680
Our intent is to submit for building permits by the end of September if everything goes well.

765
01:02:48,140 --> 01:02:50,500
And then hopefully start construction middle of October.

766
01:02:51,580 --> 01:02:56,160
Obviously Albert's team would have to help us with that.

767
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:03,220
That's part of why I met with Albert on Monday and I was like, hey man, I really don't want to go against each other.

768
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:08,180
I just want to work together because I don't look at this as this isn't a one time thing.

769
01:03:08,180 --> 01:03:11,100
You know, I look at this as like I'm going to be in the community for a long time.

770
01:03:11,620 --> 01:03:14,800
I understand the concern of like what's going to happen down the road.

771
01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:21,700
I've still got a couple of years left in me in this, you know, so I'm not like thinking about that.

772
01:03:21,700 --> 01:03:24,920
I've got a lot of aspirations with the company as it is now.

773
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:30,160
And so, you know, that was one of the things that Albert and I talked about is like continuing to work together.

774
01:03:31,540 --> 01:03:34,460
And, you know, I'll honestly, this process has been very difficult.

775
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,440
You know, I think I started this in January.

776
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:45,100
You know, if this doesn't go through, I'm going to lose about $150,000 that I've put into it in terms of inspections.

777
01:03:45,740 --> 01:03:51,880
You know, I think that there's the big environmental concern with the building being as close to the terminal as it is.

778
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:52,980
That would never go away.

779
01:03:53,620 --> 01:03:59,000
And so, you know, you could kind of look at it as like, why is this guy so crazy to even want to be here?

780
01:03:59,540 --> 01:04:05,960
And it's a fair point, you know, but I think that the fact that we already have tanks or cells and they're on the trucks

781
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,300
and they're close by that it's not as scary to me

782
01:04:08,300 --> 01:04:11,420
as it would be for someone else because, you know,

783
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,000
they're heavily regulated and, you know,

784
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,900
we have to follow the same standards as well.

785
01:04:16,540 --> 01:04:17,980
So even though we're in different industries,

786
01:04:18,300 --> 01:04:19,140
we're on the same team.

787
01:04:19,220 --> 01:04:20,480
We've had really good communication.

788
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:22,280
And I think that, you know, ultimately,

789
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,420
that's what we would want to be is, you know,

790
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,280
the kind of the front door from the tank farm district

791
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:30,720
to the Beaufort Highway Culture Corps.

792
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,120
That you have been willing to work with staff

793
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,660
to do your best to match the architectural standards.

794
01:04:35,660 --> 01:04:41,140
Yes, I would be and the yes, I would be for sure and I think part of it is I have asked them

795
01:04:41,140 --> 01:04:44,140
That was one of the things that on Monday when we were in the conference room together

796
01:04:44,140 --> 01:04:47,960
I was like hey Albert what do you think of this you know, Austin how can we make this better and

797
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:54,420
You know Albert had some ideas in terms of on maybe some commemorative bricks, you know putting that in place

798
01:04:54,980 --> 01:04:57,860
You know, so yeah, like I'm I

799
01:04:57,860 --> 01:04:59,980
Want to have it be what the city would

800
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:08,140
It's just kind of hard when you don't know what the city wants. And you ask questions, but you don't, like, get, you know, answers.

801
01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:12,100
All right. Thank you.

802
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:13,060
Yeah, good fight.

803
01:05:13,660 --> 01:05:20,740
It's never like a truck traffic perspective. Like, I'm not personally worried about I live a couple of weeks over from a pest control business.

804
01:05:20,940 --> 01:05:24,800
That has, like, a big fleet of trucks that are always on small roads and it's a road.

805
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:30,400
So, the biggest truck that I saw, I think was a relatively large pickup with the equipment

806
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:31,200
on the back, right?

807
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,840
But you're not outside of, I guess, like a delivery, you're not having, like, semi's rolling

808
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:35,420
there, right?

809
01:05:35,580 --> 01:05:36,300
No, no.

810
01:05:36,300 --> 01:05:37,780
So, we don't own any semi-trocks.

811
01:05:38,380 --> 01:05:41,580
That's one of the reasons why we think that we'd be a good fit, because we're not bringing

812
01:05:41,580 --> 01:05:42,220
in semi-trocks.

813
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:46,180
A lot of OW uses do, because they're warehouses, they have to have stuff coming in and

814
01:05:46,180 --> 01:05:46,400
going.

815
01:05:47,060 --> 01:05:48,960
We do have bigger trucks than pickup trucks.

816
01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:54,520
Most of our trucks are pickup trucks, they're eight foot long, bad regular cab trucks,

817
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:59,280
which is the same size as a standard crew cap truck would be just without the back seat.

818
01:06:00,060 --> 01:06:05,620
That's most of our trucks, but we do have what's called a Zuzu NRRs, which are flatbed trucks,

819
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:11,440
which is what we had at Georgia Tech. So those are their 12 foot long beds, but they're the

820
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:16,600
exact same length as a pickup truck. They're just a little bit wider. So they're not big at all.

821
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:21,340
Yeah, and you're fleets like what? 30 trucks are? If 30 trucks right now, and I think something to

822
01:06:21,340 --> 01:06:27,000
to, is that we, at this point, are not necessarily looking to expand our current location,

823
01:06:27,220 --> 01:06:30,920
what we're looking to do is open up other locations throughout the southeast, that this

824
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:36,360
would be the headquarters, and so I don't envision, this is not a situation we're going to have

825
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,200
like a hundred trucks there. It's really just that we need to get our headquarters established,

826
01:06:40,700 --> 01:06:44,380
and the next place that we'd want to open up would be like Marietta, Canisol, Woodstock,

827
01:06:44,460 --> 01:06:49,500
over on that side of the city, because we service the entire Atlanta Metro, and then we'll have

828
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:52,660
the side if we're going to move down south or if we're going to go to like a green

829
01:06:52,660 --> 01:06:57,900
bill, south car line, I got up. So the number of trucks isn't necessarily going to

830
01:06:57,900 --> 01:07:01,660
increase much compared to where it is now because as soon as we open up the next

831
01:07:01,660 --> 01:07:04,100
location, we'll be moving trucks over there.

832
01:07:05,420 --> 01:07:10,420
And then last question, from like an economic impact standpoint, how many employees you have

833
01:07:10,420 --> 01:07:14,620
coming in that might go get breakfast or laying our lunch or whatever? I'm trying to understand

834
01:07:14,620 --> 01:07:15,080
that too.

835
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,400
Yeah, so we have 15 employees right now.

836
01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:19,960
It depends on the time of year, because we are seasonal.

837
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,780
So it does fluctuate, but average, we're about 50

838
01:07:22,780 --> 01:07:24,300
employees over the course of the year.

839
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:29,040
And so, yeah, I mean, it would be a pretty big economic trip.

840
01:07:29,140 --> 01:07:31,480
The building has basically been on use for 20 years.

841
01:07:31,740 --> 01:07:34,060
That's what the image is showed in the slideshow

842
01:07:34,060 --> 01:07:36,400
is that it's been sitting there on use altogether.

843
01:07:36,980 --> 01:07:39,040
And so we would be immediately moving jobs

844
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,240
that we already have next door and future corners

845
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:42,360
into the city of Dorville.

846
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:50,120
And I think to, you know, to the point of like having somewhere to people to walk to will walking to work is a pretty good reason to walk to.

847
01:07:50,580 --> 01:07:57,720
And so, you know, I think that like for me, that's what one of the things that drives me to this property is that I live in Buckhead by live close to the manifestation.

848
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:03,820
I could take the scooter to the manifestation, take the train to the doorbell station and then take the scooter down the mobility path to work.

849
01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:06,360
So like, it's perfect for me. I don't like driving.

850
01:08:07,140 --> 01:08:13,500
And so, yeah, so that's part of the economic benefit as well as that we're bringing jobs that otherwise aren't there.

851
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:18,140
And these are jobs that the residents of Dorville, like we would love to have them.

852
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,780
We already have some of the residents of Dorville working for us.

853
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,380
We'd love to continue that.

854
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:29,480
And to give you some context, we're the type of employer where someone starts off as a general labor and they have somewhere to grow.

855
01:08:29,660 --> 01:08:34,000
Out of all the 50 people that we have in the company there's only two that we're not first to technician.

856
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:39,980
They coincidentally happen to be our, you know, female employees doesn't mean that we can't have female technicians

857
01:08:39,980 --> 01:08:50,040
It just kind of worked out that way and so you know all of our staff whether it's on sales or customer service or management of all come even myself from someone who actually sprayed water in the field first

858
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,340
Right, thank you any further questions

859
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,000
Okay, thank you

860
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,480
All right, let's go ahead and open up

861
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:04,680
The floor for public comment, anybody who should speak in favor of this item, please come

862
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,840
up to the podium or raise your hand on Zoom.

863
01:09:11,230 --> 01:09:13,670
If you remember what your question or your comment was earlier.

864
01:09:15,550 --> 01:09:21,270
Hi, my name is Justin, I'm with Lee and Associates, I'm a industrial property specialist.

865
01:09:22,290 --> 01:09:28,090
So, Kirsten answered my question for the most part, but I just wanted to elaborate on that

866
01:09:28,090 --> 01:09:31,650
fuel tank line on the adjacent right of the property.

867
01:09:31,650 --> 01:09:38,750
I know that Albert was discussing on development and also just the OW use and the continued

868
01:09:38,750 --> 01:09:40,230
easement with Kinder Morgan.

869
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:46,770
I've never seen an OW property with an easement like that, and I don't think that that.

870
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:50,370
Honestly, I think that would present some legality issues down the line.

871
01:09:50,590 --> 01:09:53,910
So I just wanted to elaborate on that for you guys.

872
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:55,370
Thank you.

873
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:56,750
All right.

874
01:09:56,890 --> 01:09:57,550
I'm sure.

875
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,200
And then please take your name where you're from, and you can have up to four minutes.

876
01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:07,180
Okay. Okay.

877
01:10:07,940 --> 01:10:09,280
Oh, the microphone. Yeah.

878
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,980
My doorbell, which is my listening, what all is being talked about?

879
01:10:13,220 --> 01:10:16,620
I think it's a great opportunity for doorbells to have a business like that.

880
01:10:16,820 --> 01:10:21,360
I've been that place in empty, no traffic, and I think that would be that life to be.

881
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:25,140
All right. Thank you.

882
01:10:26,140 --> 01:10:26,360
Joy.

883
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,920
Hi. My name's Peter Bloom. I'm Wesley Stad.

884
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,280
I'm very familiar with his business.

885
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:41,440
And one of the things that wasn't mentioned as a local resident, I'm not, but if I was,

886
01:10:41,820 --> 01:10:45,900
one of my concerns would be, you know, traffic flow in and out of the facility, you know,

887
01:10:45,980 --> 01:10:47,740
how much business is it?

888
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:54,960
And it's primarily, as I understand it, mostly twice a day, the employees going to work

889
01:10:54,960 --> 01:11:00,080
and then going out to do their jobs and then coming home and going home.

890
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:07,340
So am I correct. And so it's not like there's a lot of traffic flow that's going to be an issue.

891
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:15,480
I'm almost also a former business owner that ran a business indoor bill for over 10 years

892
01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:19,340
with Atlanta rocks, where the first indoor rock climbing gym in Atlanta.

893
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:25,180
And I was looking at this property thinking what business would be in the right mind

894
01:11:25,180 --> 01:11:30,260
want to be next to this tank farm. I certainly wouldn't. I don't know any other businesses that would.

895
01:11:31,380 --> 01:11:39,380
So, this really to me is an ideal arrangement where it's not going to cause any issues and it's

896
01:11:39,380 --> 01:11:47,180
going to bring business to the city. It's also going to improve the look of the area.

897
01:11:48,020 --> 01:11:53,900
The employees are going to go out and have lunches maybe or bring lunches from the surrounding areas.

898
01:11:53,900 --> 01:11:58,800
So I just see it as a positive win-win for everyone.

899
01:11:59,660 --> 01:12:01,040
All right, thank you.

900
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:03,860
Anybody else in the room?

901
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:06,220
OK, anybody on Zoom?

902
01:12:06,220 --> 01:12:07,480
Please use the various hand function.

903
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:12,600
OK, not seeing anyone.

904
01:12:13,180 --> 01:12:14,700
Anybody which can speak against?

905
01:12:16,820 --> 01:12:18,880
Lizzie, they come up to the podium or use the various hand

906
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:19,300
function.

907
01:12:22,130 --> 01:12:24,430
OK, we'll go ahead and close public comment.

908
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:26,170
Any further questions?

909
01:12:28,700 --> 01:12:34,620
I mean, I don't see this being any worse in a wastewater treatment plant.

910
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,160
And we could buy it smell better.

911
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:38,820
Yeah, exactly.

912
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:39,640
They smell better.

913
01:12:40,260 --> 01:12:45,940
I mean, they got to feed my part when they develop new neighborhoods, enroll areas that are

914
01:12:45,940 --> 01:12:46,820
under a half acre.

915
01:12:47,420 --> 01:12:50,140
They have to build new wastewater plants within the community.

916
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:56,620
So I mean, even if a developer does develop something to cross street that is residential,

917
01:12:56,620 --> 01:13:00,860
So I think I still think it'd be an appropriate location for it.

918
01:13:01,420 --> 01:13:03,520
Also, I mean, doorbell is known to be a small business

919
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:10,400
and get later home depot, and I'm sure there's other businesses.

920
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,480
I mean, I think we should be happy that they're here,

921
01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:16,480
and I don't think we should enter them by zoning in one,

922
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:17,780
but we should zone in two.

923
01:13:18,540 --> 01:13:20,940
If I really believe, I'm not 100% sure,

924
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:22,240
but for more or less on the internet,

925
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,300
they're limited to a thousand gallons in door storage.

926
01:13:25,300 --> 01:13:28,180
I think that's a recent thing from the Korean fires.

927
01:13:30,420 --> 01:13:33,660
I think him too would be prohibited of opposed to your service.

928
01:13:34,980 --> 01:13:35,980
M1, the Arctic.

929
01:13:36,100 --> 01:13:36,280
Yeah, M1.

930
01:13:36,620 --> 01:13:36,780
OK.

931
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:38,700
I'm like, yeah.

932
01:13:38,820 --> 01:13:39,020
You got it.

933
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:55,180
I also would like to comment that I mean these oil, the M2 field distribution zoning.

934
01:13:55,180 --> 01:13:59,440
I mean, these oil companies are going to have other assets, other than tanks, that they're

935
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:04,860
going to want to offload other people, and we should probably develop a method for rezoning

936
01:14:04,860 --> 01:14:12,020
it in the take form, just properties that could potentially be used for other uses.

937
01:14:15,020 --> 01:14:15,620
Thank you.

938
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:17,000
All right.

939
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:18,760
Would somebody like to make a motion?

940
01:14:28,700 --> 01:14:29,240
Go ahead.

941
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:36,480
Just a process question, I know this is in theory set to go to council on in two weeks.

942
01:14:38,900 --> 01:14:48,060
Like in a hypothetical scenario, in which we say, in one with conditions in, you know, in accordance

943
01:14:48,060 --> 01:14:57,780
with OW standards, like the lack of specifics, in that proposed potential motion, does

944
01:14:57,780 --> 01:14:59,960
limit the ability to keep the ball run.

945
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,780
Forward, as far as the lack of like very specific criteria of exactly what things they need to abide by with a W.

946
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,480
If, again, hypothetically, that was the motion.

947
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:20,640
Yeah, the conditions could be, you know, you can condition them to their proposed conceptual idea of the streetscape.

948
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:27,680
You can condition them to architectural standards. You would not be able to condition them.

949
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:34,240
Well, okay, if you're going, if you're seeking the OW district, you wouldn't be able to

950
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:43,100
condition them to allow for outdoor storage, because you cannot condition uses that are

951
01:15:43,530 --> 01:15:44,900
not allowed in the district.

952
01:15:45,780 --> 01:15:53,140
But if you're looking at the M1 district, then you would just need to condition it to things

953
01:15:53,140 --> 01:16:15,540
that would, I guess, improve the, make property improvements and then any other conditions that you see fit did you have any like specific questions that you were no purely and like whatever that motion is if it passes wouldn't necessarily that specific motion is going to be the one that goes to council or it's going to be like a whole refresh because this is on binding.

954
01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:31,040
Yes, so your recommendation with any added conditions would go to Council, our recommendation would still stay as, yeah, but yes, y'all, whatever y'all say tonight, we will present to Council in two weeks.

955
01:16:33,140 --> 01:16:34,340
It makes sense, thanks.

956
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:35,760
Okay.

957
01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:37,000
Any other discussion?

958
01:16:39,710 --> 01:16:39,890
Okay.

959
01:16:40,250 --> 01:16:41,110
What's something like to make a motion?

960
01:16:44,810 --> 01:16:47,550
All right, I make a motion to approve.

961
01:16:47,550 --> 01:16:59,110
I lost my paper here on Z2606 which changing it to M1 with the conditions of the parking

962
01:16:59,110 --> 01:17:05,830
storage contained within a secure gated and screen fence as well as the landscape buffers,

963
01:17:05,970 --> 01:17:17,030
street scape standards and as written out in OW and work with staff as far as architectural

964
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:22,410
standards according to OW. When the time comes.

965
01:17:26,190 --> 01:17:26,830
Also I got

966
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:30,720
made the motion and Chris made the

967
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:31,260
second.

968
01:17:36,750 --> 01:17:37,770
Call the roll please.

969
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:43,130
Evan? No.

970
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:49,440
Billy? Yes. Yes.

971
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,780
Chris? Yes.

972
01:18:02,140 --> 01:18:06,480
Michael? Yes. All right. Thank you. This will go on for

973
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:08,240
accounts one two weeks

974
01:18:12,940 --> 01:18:15,540
onto the next case, please.

975
01:18:15,620 --> 01:18:16,420
All right.

976
01:18:16,740 --> 01:18:17,740
Let's be here.

977
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:23,860
All right.

978
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,280
So tonight's second item on the agenda.

979
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:30,420
It's for a condition to use permits submitted by Gloria Dorado for a commercial recreation

980
01:18:31,340 --> 01:18:34,240
establishment that is greater than 3,000 square feet.

981
01:18:34,620 --> 01:18:39,620
The applicant's intent is to open an event hall known as Cassandra's event hall located at

982
01:18:39,620 --> 01:18:43,940
5B for Highway Suite 18A. This property is on T5.

983
01:18:45,260 --> 01:18:51,420
The suite is about 4,000 square feet. It is located in the Treasure Village Shopping Center.

984
01:18:53,060 --> 01:18:58,480
Here's the front facade of where they're wanting to locate. I like to point out that the

985
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:04,820
business to the left is a billiards in Paul, and there's only two suites at this specific

986
01:19:04,820 --> 01:19:12,420
end of the property, just a little bit of details about Cassandra's event hall. They want

987
01:19:12,420 --> 01:19:19,660
to be an event hall for all types of events, private professional weddings, continued as anything

988
01:19:19,660 --> 01:19:26,920
where people want to gather. Maximum occupancy there are expecting maybe 200 people, but that will

989
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:31,780
be determined based off of our building inspectors like safety inspection, based off their the type

990
01:19:31,780 --> 01:19:38,220
use that they are and their occupancy classification or if the fire marshal has any rules

991
01:19:38,220 --> 01:19:43,780
regarding this they will also maybe impose a like a cap limit of how many people can be inside

992
01:19:43,780 --> 01:19:50,780
the building at any one time regarding alcohol the applicant doesn't sell they don't intend to sell

993
01:19:50,780 --> 01:19:57,880
provide distributors serve alcohol themselves as like the owner of the event hall hours of

994
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,500
operation they are

995
01:20:00,210 --> 01:20:10,030
You know, they're leaving it open ended to bookings, but they don't anticipate any events to be held prior to 8 a.m. or later than 2.30 a.m. Monday through Sunday.

996
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:17,230
They do anticipate to have one manager on staff and also hire custodial staff to clean up after each event.

997
01:20:19,410 --> 01:20:24,250
Here's their proposed floor plan to enter the doors, go through a reception area, and then

998
01:20:24,250 --> 01:20:32,010
there are the tables, chairs, here is a photo of a possible setup.

999
01:20:33,790 --> 01:20:39,050
Staff are recommending, oh, I did want to go over alcohol rules with the objects so that

1000
01:20:39,050 --> 01:20:41,350
we were aware of what is and what's not allowed.

1001
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:44,090
So city has rules on alcohol.

1002
01:20:44,330 --> 01:20:47,130
We offer three ways to offer alcohol in the city.

1003
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:49,510
So we have our traditional alcohol license,

1004
01:20:50,210 --> 01:20:52,850
which means that the establishment has a full commercial

1005
01:20:52,850 --> 01:20:57,650
kitchen, and they serve at least 60% sales in food,

1006
01:20:58,150 --> 01:21:00,710
40% sales in alcohol.

1007
01:21:01,110 --> 01:21:03,070
So they have to meet that minimum threshold

1008
01:21:03,070 --> 01:21:06,570
in order to obtain a traditional business license.

1009
01:21:06,910 --> 01:21:09,050
So if you meet that criteria, come to the city

1010
01:21:09,050 --> 01:21:13,550
apply for alcohol license, we issue it, you know, and then we hold you to those roles.

1011
01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:18,550
If you do not have a commercial kitchen, we have a what is called an accessory alcohol

1012
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:26,190
license where if you need alcohol, but you don't have a full commercial kitchen, this accessory

1013
01:21:26,190 --> 01:21:33,370
alcohol license is for certain businesses where your main revenue source is something other

1014
01:21:33,370 --> 01:21:40,490
than alcohol, but that you know, you can, if you've got to go before you first see,

1015
01:21:40,690 --> 01:21:45,770
you of course get approved, and if the alcohol license is granted, you'd be kind of,

1016
01:21:45,770 --> 01:21:49,150
alcohol would be kind of your, your minor cells, not, not your major cells.

1017
01:21:50,650 --> 01:21:56,250
There are exclusions for accessory alcohol license. So, restaurants are excluded,

1018
01:21:56,530 --> 01:22:01,590
nightclubs, banquet halls, event venues, dance halls, sexually oriented businesses,

1019
01:22:01,590 --> 01:22:04,630
as sonas and then other uses as a term

1020
01:22:04,630 --> 01:22:06,610
and by the community development director.

1021
01:22:07,770 --> 01:22:09,870
So, because they are on this list,

1022
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:12,370
they would be an eligible to receive an accessory

1023
01:22:12,370 --> 01:22:17,810
alcohol license, but a example of who we've issued it to

1024
01:22:19,570 --> 01:22:22,810
is the exhibition hub where they have,

1025
01:22:22,810 --> 01:22:26,110
you know, they're kind of a museum of sorts,

1026
01:22:26,410 --> 01:22:29,090
and they serve cocktails and such.

1027
01:22:29,090 --> 01:22:34,350
The third option is called off-premises catering of alcohol.

1028
01:22:35,250 --> 01:22:42,350
So the rule states that you have to seek out a doorville business, who holds a doorville business license.

1029
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:47,930
So if you find somebody that has a doorville business license and they also have a doorville alcohol license,

1030
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:52,310
you hire them to come to the event and they serve the alcohol.

1031
01:22:53,770 --> 01:22:57,330
People serving the alcohol also have to have doorville pouring permits.

1032
01:22:57,330 --> 01:23:05,430
So really the responsibility of people serving and drinking alcohol falls on that doorville business license that they've hired.

1033
01:23:06,350 --> 01:23:18,430
But it's not a one-in-done thing. Every time they hold an event, they have to apply for it off premise is catering permit with the city of doorville.

1034
01:23:18,430 --> 01:23:22,850
So, you know, if somebody comes in and applies

1035
01:23:22,850 --> 01:23:26,970
and is granted one, it's only specific to that event

1036
01:23:26,970 --> 01:23:29,970
that they're holding, the next event that comes

1037
01:23:29,970 --> 01:23:32,170
and if they wanna have alcohol at that next event,

1038
01:23:32,290 --> 01:23:33,630
they're gonna have to do the same process

1039
01:23:33,630 --> 01:23:35,450
over and over again each time

1040
01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:38,170
that they want to have alcohol at each event.

1041
01:23:39,070 --> 01:23:40,830
Bring your own beverage is not allowed,

1042
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:44,170
so if clients come, bring beer,

1043
01:23:44,910 --> 01:23:51,770
not allowed at all, just because we need to hold somebody accountable if somebody's over

1044
01:23:51,770 --> 01:23:56,950
poured or if accident happened when they leave the venue, somebody has to be liable.

1045
01:23:57,850 --> 01:24:02,370
So the person who holds the alcohol license and the pouring permits, we look at them

1046
01:24:02,370 --> 01:24:07,850
first of, you know, what was poured, how many were poured, you know, was the person

1047
01:24:07,850 --> 01:24:14,510
So that is, those are the three methods for alcohol in the city of Dorville.

1048
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:25,220
So staff are recommending approval with conditions.

1049
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:32,740
So coin operated amusement machines we typically have conditioned event halls with this.

1050
01:24:33,860 --> 01:24:39,380
Also the front, we don't want the front windows to be covered in any way.

1051
01:24:39,380 --> 01:24:44,460
And let me pull up the staff report because those are more detailed than what is on the screen.

1052
01:24:46,540 --> 01:24:47,700
There we go.

1053
01:24:48,660 --> 01:24:51,180
So the front window shall be transparent and unblocked.

1054
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,340
We need to be able to see inside.

1055
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:58,180
Also outdoor events are prohibited at any time.

1056
01:24:58,480 --> 01:24:59,680
So you can't have like,

1057
01:25:00,660 --> 01:25:10,240
The event, both outdoors indoors, everything has to be inside the building. Unless they obtain a special event permit with our police department.

1058
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:16,200
So, the special event permit, if obtained, they could have some sort of outdoor event in the parking lot.

1059
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:25,120
But those are kind of issued a couple of times a year. We don't just issue those every weekend, but this condition is so that everything is indoors.

1060
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:30,360
all the noises indoors, you know, the people are safe indoors, it's a no outdoor events.

1061
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:40,220
We also want a condition that BYUB is not allowed at any time, so if a PD or code enforcement

1062
01:25:40,220 --> 01:25:45,780
roll up to this establishment on a random Friday night and people are drinking, they're

1063
01:25:45,780 --> 01:25:53,400
going to be looking for an off-premises catering caterer who should have a alcohol license

1064
01:25:53,400 --> 01:26:00,880
and pouring permits. If they do not have that, then they would just be subject to a slew

1065
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:06,820
of possible notices and citations. So I just wanted to add that as a condition, in just

1066
01:26:06,820 --> 01:26:13,820
in case one of the, you know, keep the applicant aware. And so we are recommending approval.

1067
01:26:14,620 --> 01:26:15,120
Thank you.

1068
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,320
Thank you so much. Does anybody have any questions for Albert?

1069
01:26:22,290 --> 01:26:24,230
Okay. If the applicant is

1070
01:26:24,230 --> 01:26:24,910
here,

1071
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:29,170
please

1072
01:26:38,770 --> 01:26:40,650
state your name, where you're from, and you can have

1073
01:26:40,650 --> 01:26:41,450
to 10 minutes.

1074
01:26:45,610 --> 01:26:48,650
No, no, because we also have people listening at home,

1075
01:26:48,650 --> 01:26:50,610
and we need them to be able to hear you too.

1076
01:26:51,870 --> 01:26:53,530
So there's some Eschloria, and she's on her.

1077
01:26:53,530 --> 01:26:56,270
I'm here just to support also on the language.

1078
01:26:56,730 --> 01:26:56,970
Just to,

1079
01:27:02,940 --> 01:27:05,920
did you have anything you wanted to present to us?

1080
01:27:06,140 --> 01:27:08,280
Yeah, we just wanted to, you know, just to know that the other

1081
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:13,400
in the same area, Rikos is gone, is not longer in the premises.

1082
01:27:14,300 --> 01:27:15,660
It will be the only one.

1083
01:27:15,660 --> 01:27:18,520
You know, just the only event hall in that area.

1084
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:20,100
Okay, in that shopping center.

1085
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:21,820
Okay.

1086
01:27:22,440 --> 01:27:23,980
Does anybody have any questions for the applicant?

1087
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:29,460
Yeah, are you in your goal or comfortable with the four conditions that staff has

1088
01:27:29,460 --> 01:27:29,680
reposed?

1089
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:36,690
Thank you.

1090
01:27:37,710 --> 01:27:38,030
All right.

1091
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:41,370
Let's go ahead and open up the public hearing.

1092
01:27:41,470 --> 01:27:42,970
Anybody want to speak in favor of this?

1093
01:27:42,970 --> 01:27:45,590
Please come up to the podium or use the raise hand function in Zoom.

1094
01:27:48,940 --> 01:27:49,980
Anybody who sends big against?

1095
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,800
Okay, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing.

1096
01:27:56,540 --> 01:27:57,520
Any further questions?

1097
01:28:00,250 --> 01:28:01,270
Would somebody like to make a motion?

1098
01:28:03,930 --> 01:28:06,890
I moved to approve CUP 2602.

1099
01:28:07,530 --> 01:28:08,450
Okay, do we have a second?

1100
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:13,680
Yeah, did you want to add staff conditions on there?

1101
01:28:13,940 --> 01:28:14,680
Sorry, yes.

1102
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:19,600
I moved to approve CUP 2602 with staff conditions.

1103
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:21,060
Okay, do we have a second?

1104
01:28:22,220 --> 01:28:25,620
Okay, I'm going to make the motion, Chris, make the second, call the roll please.

1105
01:28:27,020 --> 01:28:27,320
Yes.

1106
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:28,060
Chris?

1107
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:29,260
Yes?

1108
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:29,720
Really?

1109
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:30,480
Yes?

1110
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:31,140
Yes?

1111
01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:32,300
And Michael?

1112
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:32,960
Yes.

1113
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:34,260
All right.

1114
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,800
And this will go to City Council in two weeks.

1115
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:40,500
Okay.

1116
01:28:40,980 --> 01:28:47,720
And when we have a second, we're on to the...

1117
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,280
Is it an Isabelle party?

1118
01:28:50,220 --> 01:28:50,740
Yeah.

1119
01:28:59,830 --> 01:29:09,830
Good evening, planning commission. So this is for case CUP 2603, which is a request for a jewelry store located at 635 P.C. Road.

1120
01:29:10,770 --> 01:29:19,370
We have received order that the applicant wishes to postpone their application indefinitely. Since the case has been advertised, he's asking for the planning commission to honor this request.

1121
01:29:19,950 --> 01:29:23,690
And the applicant is here if the planning commission has any questions for him.

1122
01:29:25,190 --> 01:29:27,150
Okay, so is he pulling the application?

1123
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:29,470
Are we just deferring it indefinitely?

1124
01:29:30,350 --> 01:29:32,790
deferring it indefinitely until he's ready to come back with it.

1125
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:33,930
Okay, okay, I understand.

1126
01:29:34,970 --> 01:29:38,750
All right, will the applicant like to come up and say anything?

1127
01:29:42,980 --> 01:29:43,460
Oh, yes.

1128
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,180
This application will be postponed temporarily.

1129
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:53,100
We will see me back on podium in just a few minutes for the second CUP that I'm requesting a permit for.

1130
01:29:53,500 --> 01:29:55,680
But we just have a lot of ongoing projects right now.

1131
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:59,900
So temporarily, this particular Julie store permit will be postponed.

1132
01:30:03,210 --> 01:30:04,930
Okay, let's see if we have any questions.

1133
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:17,020
Okay, and would somebody like to make a motion to defer CP2603 due to the applicants request, until they are ready to come back before us?

1134
01:30:17,300 --> 01:30:24,300
I'd like to make a motion to defer CUP2603 until further notice.

1135
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:25,900
All right, do we have a second?

1136
01:30:27,300 --> 01:30:32,520
Okay, I made the motion and I made the second. Call the roll please.

1137
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:46,340
Yes, Devon. Yes. Yes, Chris. Yes. Michael. Yes. Okay, and then we're on to the final item.

1138
01:31:18,130 --> 01:31:22,170
Thank you everyone for their patience. Albert is very unfamiliar with the computer system.

1139
01:31:22,170 --> 01:31:23,170
So,

1140
01:31:29,180 --> 01:31:35,920
this is for case the UP26-04, which is a request for alcohol located on 635 P.C.

1141
01:31:35,980 --> 01:31:40,540
Road, suites 8213214 and 215.

1142
01:31:43,490 --> 01:31:47,290
The applicant is Q District, which is being represented by Nebel Koja.

1143
01:31:48,570 --> 01:31:54,530
Their request is for a Q District is a new pool hall that is located in a T5 property,

1144
01:31:55,130 --> 01:31:59,830
and they're proposing to sell beer wine and spirits at their local pool hall is down.

1145
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:06,220
So here it is. It is located in P.C. Plaza by the H mark.

1146
01:32:07,100 --> 01:32:11,160
And it is located upstairs and again it is sweet 82132425.

1147
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:18,260
Here are the business details. The space size is all combined together into one space.

1148
01:32:18,540 --> 01:32:24,100
So it is about 5,650 square feet. The services provided are pool hall activities,

1149
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,740
sports lounge, food service, darts and board games.

1150
01:32:27,740 --> 01:32:35,120
The proposed hours of operation is Monday to Thursday from 3 to 11pm and Friday through Sunday

1151
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,120
it's 12pm to 2am.

1152
01:32:38,060 --> 01:32:42,820
They're going to have about 5 to 8 employees consisting of managers, bartenders, servers,

1153
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:46,240
kitchen staff, floor attendance and security personnel.

1154
01:32:46,620 --> 01:32:50,720
Their request is to seek approval to be able to serve beer wine and spirits.

1155
01:32:52,850 --> 01:32:54,190
Here is their floor plan.

1156
01:32:54,290 --> 01:32:57,610
You can see the multiple pool tables, the bar and the front door.

1157
01:32:58,860 --> 01:33:01,020
And here's some interior photos.

1158
01:33:01,180 --> 01:33:05,460
This is the front counter when you walk in and the multiple

1159
01:33:05,460 --> 01:33:08,240
pull tables that you saw on the floor plan.

1160
01:33:09,940 --> 01:33:11,020
I'm sports entertainment.

1161
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:16,240
So for context, the previous business here was Red Fox

1162
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:17,080
Billord's Club.

1163
01:33:17,780 --> 01:33:19,560
They were operating there until recently

1164
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:22,720
and Q, Avengers had taken over.

1165
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,340
Red Fox got the CUP 18-04.

1166
01:33:28,340 --> 01:33:35,040
and this was to approve the use of the billor's hall. Red Fox then also got the variance

1167
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:42,640
V-18-04 and this was because there was a rule back then where for billor's halls and

1168
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:50,040
pull halls you can only have up to three tables. So V-18-04 they applied four to allow for

1169
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:56,500
18 and that was approved. So both the CUP and the variance were carried over to queue district

1170
01:33:56,500 --> 01:33:58,620
as the business that followed them.

1171
01:34:00,020 --> 01:34:01,820
Red Fox did have an alcohol license

1172
01:34:01,820 --> 01:34:04,300
for beer, wine, and spirits,

1173
01:34:04,660 --> 01:34:06,640
but alcohol licenses, unlike the variants

1174
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:08,220
in the CEP that they had,

1175
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:10,800
do not transfer from one business to another.

1176
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:16,920
The staff is recommending approval with conditions,

1177
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:19,520
or the one condition that the business

1178
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,680
shall not have, to tell not have,

1179
01:34:21,820 --> 01:34:23,180
coin operated amusement machines

1180
01:34:23,180 --> 01:34:26,000
as defined as section six, six, 161.

1181
01:34:27,820 --> 01:34:30,300
And the applicant is here to answer any questions.

1182
01:34:30,300 --> 01:34:32,560
Hey, thank you.

1183
01:34:32,580 --> 01:34:34,800
Seeing family questions for Isabelle.

1184
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:38,840
Okay?

1185
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,180
If they have a look at what I like to come up.

1186
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:43,680
And you could have up to 10 minutes.

1187
01:34:47,780 --> 01:34:49,600
So good evening, planning commissioners.

1188
01:34:49,740 --> 01:34:52,540
Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to appear before you tonight.

1189
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:53,920
Once again, my name is Nabil.

1190
01:34:54,440 --> 01:34:55,960
And I'm here with my partner, Hannah.

1191
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:57,140
Actually, he's not here.

1192
01:34:57,300 --> 01:34:59,420
He was unable to be present.

1193
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,220
So, when you hear me say, we, that's what I'm referring to, but we're the owners of Cuba,

1194
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:09,380
strictly located in the P.T. from the Pavilion, that's 60, 35 P.T. road.

1195
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:15,200
So, I tried to express my paper in right eye and we, so you may see a little bit of mix up

1196
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:19,620
and back and forth, but I will just go with what I initially typed. So, we're here tonight to

1197
01:35:19,620 --> 01:35:24,520
respectfully request approval of our conditional use permit for the sale and service of beer wine

1198
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:29,460
and distilled spirits as an accessory to our pool hall and sports lounge.

1199
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:34,420
We're investing in a professionally operated recreational and entertainment facility centered

1200
01:35:34,420 --> 01:35:38,300
around billiards, sports, food, and social entertainment.

1201
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:44,920
Our facilities approximately 5,650 square foot with pool tables, large screen televisions,

1202
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:50,180
projectors, seating areas, food service, board games, darts, leagues, and tournaments.

1203
01:35:50,180 --> 01:35:55,220
Our vision is to provide the type of complete experience that the customers have to expect from

1204
01:35:55,220 --> 01:35:57,380
a quality pool hall and sports lounge.

1205
01:35:58,440 --> 01:36:02,300
When someone chooses to spend two or three or four hours at a facility like ours, they're

1206
01:36:02,300 --> 01:36:04,260
not simply looking for a pool table.

1207
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:09,280
They're looking for a clean and comfortable environment, quality equipment, good food, beverages,

1208
01:36:09,700 --> 01:36:13,940
sports on television, and an atmosphere where they can spend time with friends, family,

1209
01:36:14,180 --> 01:36:15,160
teammates, or coworkers.

1210
01:36:15,980 --> 01:36:17,800
This is the experience we're trying to create.

1211
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:23,660
The ability to provide alcoholic beverages responsible is an important part of the completing that expectation.

1212
01:36:25,060 --> 01:36:27,720
This CUP approval will be complimentary to our business.

1213
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:30,720
That is not the foundation of our business.

1214
01:36:31,300 --> 01:36:34,840
Our primary focus will still remain billiards and recreation.

1215
01:36:36,380 --> 01:36:40,080
In fact, our operation is specifically designed around that purpose.

1216
01:36:40,380 --> 01:36:45,580
We plan to host pool leagues and tournaments, including our involvement with the Atlanta professional leagues,

1217
01:36:45,580 --> 01:36:51,800
EPA and APA leagues, while also providing a casual destination for people who want to watch

1218
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:56,940
professional and college sporting events. We believe this permit is considerably important

1219
01:36:56,940 --> 01:37:02,500
for our business, sustainability standpoint. We have made a significant investment in this

1220
01:37:02,500 --> 01:37:07,960
location, including the build-out equipment, full table staffing and ongoing operating expenses.

1221
01:37:08,500 --> 01:37:13,380
We have committed ourselves through substantial commercial lease and to creating a facility

1222
01:37:13,380 --> 01:37:16,120
that we believe will be an asset to the shopping center.

1223
01:37:20,430 --> 01:37:22,310
A goal is to build a business that is financially

1224
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:25,310
sustainable for the long run, not simply open

1225
01:37:25,310 --> 01:37:26,530
stores and hope it survives.

1226
01:37:26,890 --> 01:37:29,630
The ability to offer food, alcoholic beverages, alongside

1227
01:37:29,630 --> 01:37:32,970
our primary recreational activities gives us the opportunity

1228
01:37:32,970 --> 01:37:36,390
to create a stronger and more sustainable business model.

1229
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:39,030
We're also mindful of the responsibility that comes

1230
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:40,210
within alcohol license.

1231
01:37:40,310 --> 01:37:43,430
We understand that approvals of privilege, not an entitlement.

1232
01:37:44,250 --> 01:37:45,350
Our plan is to have management

1233
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:51,090
present during ongoing operations, properly trained employees, involved in service and alcohol

1234
01:37:51,090 --> 01:37:56,410
service and increased staffing during evenings, weekends, tournaments and major sporting events.

1235
01:37:56,890 --> 01:38:01,330
A designated manager will be responsible for overseeing alcohol service compliance while

1236
01:38:01,330 --> 01:38:07,070
maintaining a safe and orderly environment. So once again, our facility is approximately

1237
01:38:07,070 --> 01:38:12,910
5,650 square foot, which gives us something very important, which is space. We're not proposing

1238
01:38:12,910 --> 01:38:18,010
a small overcrowded establishment or customers are packed together, our layout provides room

1239
01:38:18,010 --> 01:38:23,510
for comfortable seatings, 16 to full tables, circulation, dining and social interaction.

1240
01:38:24,130 --> 01:38:28,950
That allows our staff to maintain visibility of the facility and maintain the operation

1241
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:29,950
appropriately.

1242
01:38:31,570 --> 01:38:36,270
We are part of an established commercial plaza that already includes entertainment, dining

1243
01:38:36,270 --> 01:38:38,650
and businesses that serve alcoholic beverages.

1244
01:38:38,650 --> 01:38:49,370
Our neighbor business, the next door unit, Mike Scaryoky, operates as a full service bar and other businesses within the plaza also incorporate alcoholic beverages in their operations.

1245
01:38:50,710 --> 01:38:57,850
Our proposal is different because we're bringing something to the plaza that currently does not have a dedicated billiards and sports entertainment destination.

1246
01:38:58,770 --> 01:39:05,330
We believe that Q-district ad divers adds diversity to the plaza rather than taking away from what is already there.

1247
01:39:05,330 --> 01:39:10,470
someone may come to the center for karaoke, someone may come for dinner or shopping at the

1248
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:15,370
H-Mart, but someone may come to Q District for a pool tournament or simply to watch a football game.

1249
01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:19,950
These uses can complement one another and help make the shopping center a stronger destination.

1250
01:39:20,910 --> 01:39:23,810
We want Q District to be a long-term business in Doreville.

1251
01:39:26,440 --> 01:39:28,740
We believe Q District can bring positive economic

1252
01:39:28,740 --> 01:39:37,260
activity to the city. One thing I would like to add is our location is directly connected to the

1253
01:39:37,260 --> 01:39:39,480
as a natural extension of our business,

1254
01:39:39,700 --> 01:39:41,400
and we fall literally in the backyard

1255
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:42,700
of the newly built venues.

1256
01:39:43,380 --> 01:39:45,200
We understand that the Pringle Ambitators

1257
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:46,600
and important parts of,

1258
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:48,860
in part of Dorville's future as a destination

1259
01:39:48,860 --> 01:39:51,840
for entertainment and community activity.

1260
01:39:52,540 --> 01:39:54,720
After attending outdoor events, concerts

1261
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,260
or other activities in the ambitator

1262
01:39:57,260 --> 01:39:58,520
and the assembly studios,

1263
01:39:59,200 --> 01:39:59,960
guess would have the opportunity.

1264
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:19,520
We want to participate in a local community support to continue the growth of the area and help create a more connected entertainment district. We understand the city's responsibility to protect the surrounding community and maintain appropriate standards.

1265
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:25,960
We share that responsibility and if we're committed to operating in a manner that reflects

1266
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:28,380
well on the city, the Plaza and our business.

1267
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:32,960
So tonight, I respectfully ask for your approval of our conditional user permit.

1268
01:40:33,500 --> 01:40:38,160
To close, we believe this permit will allow us to provide a more complete customer experience,

1269
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:44,060
remain competitive with comparable and similar entertainment venues around the Atlanta Metro area.

1270
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:50,560
to support the long-term substantial ability of our business and contribute positively to the commercial

1271
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,340
center answer-rounding community.

1272
01:40:52,660 --> 01:40:57,400
In closing, once again, we'd like to thank Mr. Albert and Mrs. Bell in assisting for the

1273
01:40:57,400 --> 01:40:58,680
preparation of this meeting.

1274
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:04,100
And for the rest of the planning commissioners, we appreciate the opportunity to appear before

1275
01:41:04,100 --> 01:41:07,300
you and we're happy to answer any questions as the council may have.

1276
01:41:08,500 --> 01:41:09,660
Thank you.

1277
01:41:09,820 --> 01:41:11,640
We have any questions for that up again.

1278
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:12,800
I just have one question.

1279
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:14,140
What is the,

1280
01:41:16,700 --> 01:41:17,900
sorry about that?

1281
01:41:18,140 --> 01:41:22,340
What is the maximum occupancy of your building?

1282
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:26,160
256 members are acceptable.

1283
01:41:27,940 --> 01:41:32,500
And you would have, you said, I believe, five to eights down.

1284
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:33,300
Correct.

1285
01:41:33,580 --> 01:41:37,180
Something along those lines as we needed more stuff will be involved.

1286
01:41:39,900 --> 01:41:40,360
Thank

1287
01:41:42,410 --> 01:41:42,870
you.

1288
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:43,150
Thank you.

1289
01:41:43,150 --> 01:41:45,010
And you're comfortable with one staff condition?

1290
01:41:46,030 --> 01:41:49,670
So this is actually a condition that we had with the lease owners landowners as well.

1291
01:41:49,790 --> 01:41:53,910
Before we signed a lease that no machines to call machines would not be allowed.

1292
01:41:54,050 --> 01:41:56,370
So that is signed upon on the lease prior.

1293
01:41:57,310 --> 01:41:59,150
We're okay with that.

1294
01:41:59,430 --> 01:41:59,450
Thanks.

1295
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:04,160
Thank you.

1296
01:42:04,980 --> 01:42:05,760
Thank you.

1297
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:07,060
All right.

1298
01:42:07,300 --> 01:42:10,100
So let's go ahead and open up the public hearing.

1299
01:42:10,100 --> 01:42:15,360
Anybody who wishes you to begin favor of this please come out to the podium or use the raised hand function on zoom

1300
01:42:17,950 --> 01:42:26,730
Okay, not seeing anyone and we wish you speak against okay. We'll go ahead and close the public comments

1301
01:42:27,210 --> 01:42:28,570
Any further questions

1302
01:42:30,890 --> 01:42:32,450
What's a my like to make a motion

1303
01:42:35,140 --> 01:42:37,460
make a motion to approve CUP

1304
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:43,400
26-04. Did you want to add the staff condition with the staff recommendations?

1305
01:42:44,140 --> 01:42:45,420
Okay, do you have a second?

1306
01:42:45,420 --> 01:42:53,680
So I just go ahead, so I think I made the motion, Chris made the second, call the

1307
01:42:53,680 --> 01:43:05,940
rolepiece, Michael, yes, yes, really, yes, and I don't think we have any staff comments

1308
01:43:05,940 --> 01:43:12,880
tonight, so I would say I like to make a motion, should you, I may have to adjourn, do we have a second?

1309
01:43:13,500 --> 01:43:14,420
Oh, second.

1310
01:43:14,740 --> 01:43:16,500
Devin made the motion. Michael made the second.

1311
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:17,860
Call the roll please.

1312
01:43:18,860 --> 01:43:19,060
Devin.

1313
01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:19,820
Yes.

1314
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:20,560
Michael.

1315
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:21,420
Yes.

1316
01:43:21,700 --> 01:43:22,100
Chris.

1317
01:43:22,540 --> 01:43:22,720
Yes.

1318
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:23,260
Is that?

1319
01:43:23,480 --> 01:43:23,880
Yes.

1320
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:24,460
And Billy.

1321
01:43:25,620 --> 01:43:25,820
All right.

1322
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:26,560
Good night, everybody.