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[1:22] Recording in progress.
[1:28] Good evening, everyone. This is the September 2026 meeting of the City of Toronto Planning Commission.
[1:34] Planning Commission is a volunteer committee appointed by the Mayor of City Council.
[1:38] My name is Evette Prucing and I'm the chair of the Commission. The Commission hears applications for
[1:42] Resonings, text amendments, conditional use permits, variances, and makes recommendations on such items to the city council.
[1:49] When it's time for public comment on an item, those present make up to the podium. If you're watching via zoom, please use the raise hand function.
[1:55] And this meeting will now come to order.
[1:58] Will you call the roll, please?
[2:00] Is that here?
[2:02] Chris, you're Billy.
[2:05] Absent.
[2:06] Michael.
[2:08] Absent.
[2:09] Devin, President.
[2:12] All right, thank you.
[2:13] Would somebody like to make a motion to approve tonight's meeting agenda?
[2:17] I moved to approve tonight's agenda.
[2:20] OK, do we have a second?
[2:22] OK, do we have a motion?
[2:23] Chris made the second, call the roll please.
[2:27] That?
[2:28] Yes.
[2:29] Chris?
[2:30] Billy?
[2:32] Michael?
[2:34] Devon?
[2:36] Yes.
[2:37] Thank you.
[2:39] And would somebody like to make a motion to approve the minutes from last month?
[2:44] I moved to approve the minutes from last month.
[2:46] Okay.
[2:47] Would someone like to make a second?
[2:50] I'll second.
[2:51] Okay, Devon made the motion, Michael May 2nd, call the roll, please.
[2:56] Is that?
[2:57] Chris?
[2:58] Yes.
[2:59] Billy?
[3:00] Oh, I guess I'll call this Devon?
[3:04] All right.
[3:04] And I think we're ready to hear the first case.
[3:07] All right.
[3:07] Thank you.
[3:13] All right.
[3:14] Good evening, plenty commissioners.
[3:16] Tonight's first item on the agenda as a rezoning or
[3:18] submitted by Kinder Morgan for a property look at at 64 46 new P.C. Road. This property is currently
[3:26] zone M2C that stands for a heavy manufacturing conditional. And the request here is to
[3:31] rezone it to M1 which is our light manufacturing district. The applicant's intent is to sell
[3:37] the property which contains a 34,000 square foot warehouse to a partial washing company known as
[3:43] guys. As of right now the property currently has a zoning condition that limits
[3:49] any and all uses to only oil and gas. So this prevents wise guys from using the
[4:00] property but it also prohibits all other uses from operating here as well. So this
[4:06] case is really about land use. It's about future land use. It's about property
[4:10] ownership hardship to the property owner, it's also about a decade's worth of progress that
[4:16] the city has been making to reason properties to be more in conformance with the comprehensive
[4:21] plan. So tonight, please ask yourself, what types of future businesses does the city want to see
[4:30] along the new piece of your road, what types of uses and activities are and are not appropriate
[4:35] for this stretch of road and how do we balance the city's goals with ensuring that we are not
[4:42] imposing a hardship on the property owner. This for context, the property contains a vacant warehouse
[4:48] building. It's about 34,000 square feet. It is adjacent to an active tank site.
[4:58] The property is also
[5:00] A JSON to a vacant Marta lot to the right to the south are lots currently zone T5, which is our mixed use commercial corridor.
[5:10] And then to the left is the kindergarten site with the tanks.
[5:16] The idea behind this, the city initially rezoning, especially rezoning this corridor 2 T5.
[5:24] Um, you know, you see here on the screen that the current businesses are industrial and
[5:31] nature.
[5:31] So you've got a collision repair, hydraulic repair, meat and food delivery station.
[5:37] There are all zone T5, the idea behind resuming them to T5 is to, when they cease operations,
[5:45] the city envisions the new user to be able to conform to the T5 district.
[5:50] So that means we want just, we want uses that encourage general commercial, make
[5:56] stews, walkability, being a vibrant adding to our culturally diverse businesses that
[6:04] are already existing within this corridor.
[6:07] The same idea applies to this rezoning and that the city is interested in rezoning
[6:12] this property to a zoning district that is going to complement this corridor.
[6:18] Here, you can see the property is very close to Oak Cliff Road in Pissure Road to Beford Highway in my Cal Roy.
[6:26] Additionally, this property was also split. So in May, 2026, the red line indicates what the parcel was.
[6:35] The blue line indicates the parcel split. So it went from one parcel to two.
[6:41] this separated the petroleum tanks on 6410 and then this left the 6446 with the vacant warehouse building.
[6:50] Here's the exact language of the current zoning condition on the screen. Basically it eliminates all
[6:57] uses to those only related to the storage and distribution of oil.
[7:07] So it's not just this property that
[7:08] it. It's a couple of others on your piece of road mainly the ones that have tanks on them.
[7:21] So this rezoning request came about because the property owner couldn't Morgan
[7:24] would either like to either use this building or sell it off to to wise guys.
[7:31] And until the zoning condition is removed, they're not able to use this building.
[7:35] The request is to rezoning to M1, which will allow them to use the building any way that M1 sees fit
[7:43] This is the floor plan of the building.
[7:47] Again, it's about 30, almost 34,000 square feet.
[7:51] Here's some interior photos.
[7:56] The proposed user is wise guys.
[7:58] They are a pressure-washing company.
[8:02] Staff included a list of their proposed business activities
[8:06] that they plan to use this property for.
[8:10] So mainly as an office,
[8:12] but they are needing to dispatch company vehicles
[8:14] needs clean storage and prep equipment. They're also going to be doing routine maintenance and
[8:19] cleaning of fleet vehicles. They also offer a holiday service, where they prep lights and
[8:28] decorate recent and hang Christmas decorations for clients.
[8:36] So jumping right into our recommendation
[8:37] here, staff is recommending denial of the requested M1 zoning. We are instead recommending a
[8:45] approval to reason it to owe W.
[8:50] This is you to several reasons which I'll expand on in a bit, but briefly those reasons are because of the comprehensive plan, because of the form-based code that the city adopted in 2014, which requires a stricter standards for building and also development.
[9:08] Also, there was a city initiative rezoning that was done in 2020 that completely changed the
[9:13] Behike culture of corridor,
[9:18] and also the current zoning condition that is found on the property.
[9:22] Regarding wise guys proposed activities, here's a summary of what would be and what would not be allowed in
[9:28] the OW and M1 district. As you can tell, M1 would be appropriate for wise guys. It does allow for most of the activities that they are
[9:36] trying to perform on the site, OW would limit them to just office and warehousing and would
[9:46] also limit all activities to be taken place inside it and closed building where M1 would
[9:52] allow the activities to either take place indoors, but also outdoors.
[10:01] So, the benefits of resounding it to it, W, it does align with a new comprehensive plan.
[10:07] It conforms with the city's goals of reducing industrial activities on new Peachtree Road.
[10:14] Having an OW property at this very location, it provides the transitional zoning district between the T5 zones that are to the east and south,
[10:22] but also it provides a great transitional zoning district to the M2 district to the west.
[10:30] Oh, W does not create any new senses for adjacent properties because all activities will be inside and all business activities don't, they wouldn't cause concern for any new senses.
[10:44] It prohibits outdoor storage.
[10:46] Also, it does state that new buildings have to look a certain way.
[10:51] You have certain materials, brick, stone, and just higher quality materials.
[10:58] Also, it has streetscape standards for new development as well.
[11:02] Our concerns of rezoning it to M1 would just be completely opposite of what I just went over,
[11:09] not aligning with the Com plan, introducing industrial uses to this corridor, if an M1 use word
[11:19] to be allowed here, it could potentially create nuisances for the T5 districts that are directly
[11:25] adjacent. Also, it does not have any architectural standards and no streets gifts standard.
[11:32] So, OW would bring a higher quality district to this area and would complement the district.
[11:38] better than M1.
[11:41] So let's hop into future land use.
[11:45] So future land use tells us how we want the city
[11:47] to look like in the future.
[11:50] So the view-high culture of corridors outlined
[11:52] in the pink district.
[11:57] This corridor, invisions, potential uses to be mixed use,
[12:03] retail commercial, office, multi-family,
[12:05] and also provide some green space.
[12:08] Our current comp plan would recommend
[12:13] that this property be resounded to T5,
[12:17] but it also recommends other districts
[12:19] that are either obsolete, which we don't have anymore,
[12:22] or it recommends residential, which would not be a good fit
[12:24] for this property.
[12:25] But let's look how the Bihai cultural quarter
[12:28] has shaped our zoning map today.
[12:30] So in 2013, as you can tell,
[12:33] we had 11 different zoning districts
[12:34] in the VU High Culture Accordor, we had anything from M2 to M1 to C2, which was our most intensive
[12:41] commercial district. We had our three, our four, which are our multifamily districts. We had
[12:46] office. We just had everything in there. And so the goal back then was to say, hold up, you know,
[12:53] we want to create conformity here. We want to create a walkable environment. We want to create
[12:59] and avenue for general commerce and mixed use uses and so in 2020 the city
[13:07] resound all properties to T5 instead of the T6 zoning districts that were
[13:14] resound prior to that so the city had a vision we we stuck to that vision then in
[13:24] 22, our code enforcement department did some business license sweeps.
[13:31] They found that two oil and gas companies did not have business license on a
[13:36] piece of road.
[13:38] In order for these oil and gas companies to receive a business license, their zoning
[13:43] had to allow for the use.
[13:46] Because they were zone T5, T5 does not allow for the storage and distribution of petroleum.
[13:52] So that was the reason why we had to reason it back to M2.
[13:58] We counsel at the time imposed a condition on these parcels because we had just gone through
[14:05] this rezoning to change the zoning district for this corridor, and they didn't want to introduce
[14:10] any new industrial uses along new P3 road.
[14:15] So that's why that condition exists.
[14:18] We also had to reason it back to M2 because that's the only district that does allow for the storage and distribution of petroleum products.
[14:29] So, you know, at present day zoning map is still the same.
[14:32] We have not introduced any new industrial districts into the B. High cultural corridor.
[14:37] That is still the goal here.
[14:41] Our new comprehensive plan, which will be adopted by the end of October, still shows
[14:46] this property in the B. High Culture Accordor. Our new comprehensive plan also suggests that
[14:52] O.W. is an appropriate district inside the corridor, but it does state that O.W. is very limited,
[14:57] meaning that O.W. just should not go in.
[15:00] Anywhere, it should go inappropriate spaces. This area would be inappropriate space because it is adjacent to him too.
[15:09] You may hear it tonight from the applicant that this property was going to be designated within the tank farms district.
[15:16] But that is simply not true. It has never been the city's intention to add industrial to this corridor.
[15:25] This, of course, this goal and vision has gone back several decades, and we are sticking
[15:30] true to that vision, and so we are certain that this property belongs in the B. High
[15:36] Culture Accordor.
[15:40] So within the new complaint, the vision in 10, it just identifies this
[15:44] area as the multicultural identity of Doreville. Of course, it's home to restaurants as
[15:50] Well, no, small businesses, cultural destinations.
[15:54] Again, it defines this area as a commerce corridor for mixed use
[15:59] spaces.
[16:00] I do want to reiterate that residential uses are not appropriate
[16:06] for this parcel, just because it's located next to oil
[16:09] and gas.
[16:11] But residential uses in the vehicle to a corridor
[16:14] should have places to walk to.
[16:16] Like if people are going to live in the corridor,
[16:18] they need to be able to walk to destinations for services, for goods, for fun, and so we
[16:24] want to keep this area as friendly to pedestrians as possible.
[16:32] This, the new complaint does not recommend M1 within this area.
[16:39] So, industrial uses do have their appropriate areas of where they belong in the city.
[16:43] This is also why zoning exists.
[16:46] So zoning exists to keep use the separate where they need to be separated for health, safety, and welfare reasons.
[16:56] So the area outlined in red is appropriate for general commerce and mixed-use.
[17:03] The area here is appropriate for industrial uses.
[17:06] We also have three other, I'm sorry, two other areas,
[17:10] appropriate for industrial uses, which are along the I-85 corridor,
[17:15] as well as the Amwila Road area by Winnish Temple Road.
[17:20] Here's a slide that contains uses that are not prohibited by us,
[17:24] but prohibited by the properties deed.
[17:27] So their deed states that these uses are not allowed at the location.
[17:31] For good reasons, just because of the petroleum tanks,
[17:35] So all these uses that are listed would not be prohibited by us, but prohibited by the properties
[17:42] deed. So if the property were to be resounded M1, these are all the uses that could go there.
[17:50] So again, ask yourself what uses are appropriate, what should go there, what should not go there.
[17:56] Red font just means that that uses a lot by the city, but it's prohibited by the deed.
[18:01] These are the uses that would be allowed under conditional use permit if it were resound to M1.
[18:08] And of course, these uses they would have to come before you all come before counsel receive approval and then they could apply for their business license.
[18:16] Furthermore, if it were resound to W, here's a list of uses that could potentially go here.
[18:23] Again, we're recommending the OW district because we don't want to impose a hardship on the property owner.
[18:29] We want to say, here are uses that you could find users for, so we're not limiting them in how they're using their property.
[18:41] These are some uses that are allowed by Conditioning Use Permit if the property were resowned to OW.
[18:49] So, if there were industrial intensity scale,
[18:53] the way our zoning districts would work as OI, which just stands for Office Institutional,
[18:58] it would be the least intense that allows for public institutions, schools, learning institutions,
[19:06] offices, then we go a little bit further.
[19:08] OW is the next intense, which, you know, it's still not an intense industrial use.
[19:14] It just, you know, kind of opens it up to warehousing storage,
[19:18] but again, everything has to be indoors, not outdoors.
[19:21] then we get to the other side. M1 starts to get more intense and then of course M2 is our most
[19:28] heaviest of the industrial districts. Also I do want to stress that the city is actively
[19:35] working on a multi-use path. This would give pedestrians and bicyclists direct access from
[19:40] the road all the way to downtown Doreville, so this property directly lies in where the path
[19:47] is going to go, so also ask yourself what type of uses would be appropriate for these
[19:54] pedestrians, for these bicyclists traveling to and from Oakley Road to downtown.
[20:01] We think this is going to be a great project to increase safety. So we want to just make sure that any use that goes
[20:09] here is going to align with pedestrian safety.
[20:16] Here's another slide of the path.
[20:24] So in conclusion, we are recommending to
[20:27] die the request to rezoned to M1, we are recommending to rezoned it to OW.
[20:36] Is because M1, the uses are just not appropriate.
[20:41] The uses are the opposite of what the comprehensive plan envisions, staff is also recommending
[20:50] that the OW is in line with the new comprehensive plan.
[20:56] So, the idea for offering a different zoning district is because leaving the property
[21:06] zone to M2C and keeping the current zoning condition, that itself could impose a hardship
[21:13] on the property owner.
[21:14] So if we leave M2C, that means that the property owner is limited to just a single use,
[21:20] and that would severely impose a hardship on them.
[21:23] So, to correct that, they do need a zoning district that would allow for, would open the door for multiple uses.
[21:35] The basis of staff's recommended denials listed on the screen.
[21:39] It includes keeping industrial activities out of the vehicle to record or keeping this area's general commercial.
[21:45] If a new industrial activity is introduced into the corridor, it may not support the incremental redevelopment that we've been hoping for.
[21:53] such as enhanced public spaces and improved walkability.
[21:59] Additionally, it may not allow for opportunities to be maintained,
[22:03] nor for locally owned businesses and culturally significant destinations to thrive.
[22:09] The applicant and owner of Wiseguys, Wesley Bloom, is here tonight.
[22:15] They think want to make a presentation, but staff and also the applicant are here to answer any questions.
[22:22] Thank you.
[22:22] Thank you. Before we have the applicant and representative come up. Does anybody have any questions for your stuff?
[22:32] Yeah. This is just immediate.
[22:37] If it's Barbara Dyson, tell me if it's not the adjacent TFI property that's owned by Marta.
[22:42] Is there any, like, there are other plans for that? Or are they just, like, is there any conversations around that?
[22:47] No, no current plans. The idea behind that vacant parcel. It was for an expansion tick when at so it could have been maybe like another stop.
[22:55] but they are holding on to these properties,
[22:57] just because of the land is so valuable now.
[22:59] So if there were any expansions,
[23:01] they would maybe create maybe another stop or something
[23:05] along the line.
[23:07] So no plans, but possibly in the future.
[23:12] And if I'm jumping ahead, we can come back later.
[23:15] But like the, when I was reading the packet,
[23:17] the current plans that wise guys have,
[23:22] they would not fit with the noW
[23:23] because is it because of the most like the outdoor storage pieces and the buffers for
[23:29] like the multi-use path? I'm just trying to make sure that like it seems like if I saw correctly
[23:34] in the agenda packet that there was like a counter-imposed within that that I think they offered to
[23:40] like help do some of the streetscaping and things like that. So I understand. They could operate
[23:44] but they'd be severely limited when I when I have applicants I always want them to use a property
[23:52] how they need to use it. I don't want to limit them. I don't want them to not be able to do stuff
[23:57] that would. You know, I want their business to have the best chance of success. So the OW district
[24:07] would kind of hinder them. It would have them have a locate everything indoors even their trucks
[24:15] with equipment because equipment can be visible outdoors. They can't do any activities outside
[24:20] like preparing res or preparing their trucks, so OW would just be like inside activities, so they
[24:27] could move like their office here and then store things in the warehouse, but from the list that
[24:33] they gave us, it would severely hinder their operations. They wouldn't need that M1 district to
[24:39] kind of be free to do what they were requesting to do, so.
[24:45] Thank you.
[24:51] I have a really quick question
[24:53] around the current world that's the M2C is what they are district at now.
[25:00] The recommendation is to the OW if they were to stay with the M2C and you had stated it is because
[25:07] it was still hinder them because they would only be able to do one thing so they couldn't
[25:12] have the office and the equipment all in the same space as that. Correct or?
[25:19] They could only have office and warehousing if it was related to oil and gas purposes.
[25:28] So,
[25:29] Why guys couldn't come in and use it as an office
[25:32] in warehouse because their activity is precious Washington.
[25:35] Thank you.
[25:35] Great question.
[25:38] All right, thank you.
[25:42] I think we are ready for the applicant to go ahead and come up.
[25:47] And
[25:50] you can have up to 10 minutes.
[25:56] Good evening.
[25:58] First, I would like to, my name is Carson White.
[26:00] I'm here on behalf of Kendra Morgan.
[26:02] I think I met with you last month.
[26:04] And then we have Wes here as well who is representing wise guys.
[26:10] I think that I just wanted to know that I want to thank the staff because we've been working with the planning department.
[26:17] Really since late 2025 and how we would approach this matter and trying to move forward with having some life breathed back into that warehouse.
[26:29] and hopefully this is a good path forward.
[26:32] Just wanted to note that in reviewing the comprehensive
[26:35] plan, especially the 2022-2042 comprehensive plan,
[26:39] there was a commitment by the City Council
[26:42] and by the planning department at that time
[26:44] in that plan that the theme was forward together,
[26:48] moving forward together.
[26:50] And we think this is a plan that we've proposed
[26:52] in our packet to move forward together.
[26:55] And in that plan, it was stated that the purpose
[26:58] of the Comprehensive Plan was to serve as a guide and to allow for flexibility for unforeseen
[27:04] opportunities and ideas that may arise.
[27:08] And so I think that is important to note that as you review the 26th to 26th to 26th
[27:15] Comprehensive Plan varies an easy solution to this, and that is to include, and that was
[27:22] our request.
[27:23] Let me just to be clear, the initial request was to include the property into the specialty
[27:29] tank form district, where we believe it would have remained if we hadn't gone down
[27:36] the path of subdividing and from the plans that we've been able to see up through the May
[27:42] 29, 2020, 6 public meeting engagement meeting, it still appeared as though this property
[27:50] was included in the specialty tank district.
[27:54] So I think that that is important to note,
[27:56] because that district does allow for M1 use,
[28:01] Albert eloquently stated that the city council wanted to keep
[28:06] industrial uses out of the U.I. culture corridor.
[28:10] And allowing this property to be in the specialty district
[28:13] being that the warehouse is 15 feet from a tank.
[28:18] I think resolves the concern as well as brings a thriving business into the city of Doraville.
[28:28] And so just wanted to make sure to note that I also wanted to note that on some of the reasons for it now,
[28:35] that I think that is important to note.
[28:37] One of them being the multimodal trail that will be coming down.
[28:42] It was peach tree on the north side.
[28:43] The comment was made that you want to keep that out of an M1 use, but we also need to remain mindful that it will be coming through as well as an M2C use with the tank form that is adjacent to that property.
[28:59] So it is important that everyone, all of the community uses whether that be M2C or M1, hopefully come together to work that.
[29:08] But you're going to have a multi-use, a multi-zoning corridor along a new
[29:15] peach tree, whether this property is in Bihak Hordor or whether it's in the specialty
[29:21] tank form district.
[29:22] But I suggest and propose that what makes the most sense is for the property to be in
[29:30] these specialty tank district so that we can all find a solution that works and so we can
[29:37] go through the slides, if you like, and this is just kind of an
[29:42] as Albert stated, you know, the evolution of the property, the
[29:47] evolution of the comprehensive plans that y'all have done here in
[29:50] Doraville. And I think that because the specialty tank farm district is
[29:55] now included, where it used to be the Bihai culture corridor.
[30:00] Because the tank form currently is in the Buchi cultural corridor. But I think through community engagement and through discussions that y'all have seen over the last five years, you realize that, hey, this is some infrastructure that we need to especially approach and be mindful of. And we will have special use districts along New Peach Street. And this is a community that has to work together. But you know, you have to kind of approach it in a realistic manner that the tank form is there.
[30:30] And what can we put in close proximity to it to allow for the city to thrive and continue to offer new opportunities and you know not not handcuff ourselves.
[30:40] So let's move through this.
[30:42] This is talking about the property zoning and thank you with for putting together these slides for 71 years.
[30:48] The property was on M1 and I think Albert went into, you know, the comprehensive plan planning that was done.
[30:55] It took the property to T5 and then later on to M2C.
[31:00] This is the existing land use map, which shows, and we wanted to highlight this, because
[31:07] this shows industrial and industrial section, including where the tank farms are, and let
[31:14] me also know that there are some properties north of the rail that are also individually
[31:20] subdivided.
[31:21] They have their own cap County tax ID, but the importance was a buffer zone in what was
[31:29] in the 2026 and 2046 comprehensive plan.
[31:34] And so there are some properties there that are undeveloped,
[31:37] but the importance is that there are buffers on them.
[31:40] This would be a buffer property as an M1.
[31:44] So, you know, we want you to keep that in mind.
[31:47] This shows the location of the property there.
[31:50] Again, I want to reiterate,
[31:52] you can see how close that is to the tank farm.
[31:55] And I also want to mention, I know that Albert mentioned
[31:57] that there are some uses that are associated
[31:59] with OW but we want to keep in mind and I think you have it highlighted here that they're on
[32:06] the east side of the property is what we refer to as pipeline easements and so I know you can't
[32:12] see them on this map because they're not denoted but if you go out they are there are some pipeline
[32:17] markers along that and with pipelines come additional restrictions things that you can and can't
[32:25] develop over those pipeline easements because we need to be able to access that for the operation
[32:32] and maintenance of the pipes. So this very much still is even though it doesn't have a tank on it,
[32:39] the property does have oil and gas pipelines on it so we did want to note that.
[32:45] And this is just
[32:46] an evolution of the property, but I was telling my co-workers that it denotes how close the warehouse
[32:55] is two of those tanks, even more reason why this should be included in tank farm district.
[33:05] For the interest of time, I'll continue on so that West can have an opportunity to speak.
[33:11] The 2022-2042 comprehensive plan, as you can see, it was kind of like a whole swap along
[33:18] new peeps tree, everything south of the rail was included in the Bihawk culture corridor. However,
[33:28] you know, retrospect, retrospect is key and I think going back and looking at the the uses
[33:35] along that road is why now the specialty tank form district is there. Or we'll be recommended to be there.
[33:43] This is what I alluded to earlier.
[33:46] This was the meetings that was held May 29th of 2026.
[33:52] And as you can see, the warehouse is in what appears to be the tank farm district.
[33:59] And so when the plan was released in July, we were a little surprised I have to say that
[34:07] the property was carved out based on property boundaries.
[34:11] So what appeared to be what was the newly subdivided parcel?
[34:15] I think the intent and what was discussed with the public and probably what was shown to
[34:19] the public is that this would remain in the tank farm district.
[34:28] The plan that was released is now carbon at the property.
[34:32] This is what was shown in July.
[34:34] So between May and July,
[34:38] it appears that there was a carve out.
[34:42] The timing, you've been through that.
[34:44] And now I'll mute my time to waste so that he can talk about the wonderful things that
[34:49] why guys can do for the community.
[34:54] Hi, perfect.
[34:55] Hello, everyone.
[34:56] Okay, I'll talk really fast.
[34:57] So I'm Wesley Bloom, I started with the company when I was in college.
[35:00] And we now are the largest press-roaching company in Georgia. We've got, again, you can look us up online. There's a picture of our company a couple of years ago. The big emphasis that I want you to see is how clean we present. We're a cleaning company. So we need to look good in the process. That's something that's really important to us at all of our equipment is that is kept up. Here's us cleaning Georgia Tech's football stadium. You can see the truck pay attention to the truck more so than stadium without clean it is. Here's the inside of our current warehouse right now. You can see that it's in one zoning.
[35:29] currently in Petri corners and you can see that you know trying to keep it as clean as possible
[35:36] be honest it's not exactly as clean as I want but it's good enough for a photo.
[35:41] Here's the traffic along the property and that's a concern is that we don't want to
[35:45] add the traffic and that's a concern that we have to make sure that we can get in and out of
[35:48] the property that we operate out of and so you can see that Buffard Highway's got almost 30,000 vehicles
[35:53] a day versus new Petri only has 10,000. This is put together by Lena Associates, one of the largest
[35:58] commercial real estate companies in the city.
[36:01] Here's the front of the property right now.
[36:03] I'm done look good, I'm being honest, and I don't mean
[36:06] to say anything about a kind of Morgan, but I'm not the owner,
[36:09] so it's not my house.
[36:11] I'm done look good, and it's not just the outside
[36:14] that doesn't look good, it's really the inside.
[36:16] If you pay attention on the outside though,
[36:17] the roof is really the biggest thing to pay attention
[36:19] to because it looks really bad.
[36:21] There's rust all over it.
[36:22] It needs a new roof.
[36:23] If you look at the inside, the inside's rough
[36:25] couldn't get a CO if you wanted to.
[36:27] There's missing bat. It's never a good sign when you have
[36:30] Porto-Potties outside of a building that's not under construction
[36:33] So there's no lights on the inside of it. There's no h-vac. There's no flooring. There is nothing
[36:39] So $2 million is what it would cost us to retrofit the building to be able to operate it
[36:44] So it's not just buying the building. It's buying the building and then spending $2 million to do it
[36:50] Here's the properties across the street. These are T5 properties
[36:54] right now they're legally non-conforming is my understanding. But again, and, you know, hopefully
[37:00] we would be neighbors and hopefully we'd be friends with them, but their property looks
[37:03] even worse than, you know, kind of mortgage. You know, you can see that I don't know if
[37:07] there was a firecross trip, I'm really sure, again, doesn't look good. And they've got more vehicles
[37:11] parked outside than we would, and there's no screening whatsoever. And I think part of what would
[37:16] be exciting is to put some pressure on them to step it up. Here's what we would be proposing in
[37:21] of what the outside would look like. I know that M1 doesn't require this, but that doesn't
[37:26] mean that we shouldn't still do it. I think that the eight foot, you know, chain-link vinyl
[37:32] code exactly what they want from a city standpoint is the minimum, but we would do more than
[37:37] the minimum. So we would be adding entries to provide shade to the walking path. We would put
[37:41] out benches for people to sit on as they're using the path. We would put a bike repair station.
[37:47] And then the idea is that we would talk to the city public arts commission I've already sent them an email to start with the conversation about what it would look like to have some four by eight pieces across the front edge of the fence there.
[38:02] One of the things when I was in the city council meeting last week I sat through the whole thing it was fantastic I didn't know what flock was but now I do.
[38:09] The, one of the things I was mentioned was that the parks are not where the city wants them to be, and so it was going through the comprehensive plan, which I've become somewhat of an expert and over this whole process.
[38:22] And so, in looking at it, you know, they're comfortable and attractive, but we can help with the attractive piece, the comfortable piece, I don't think we can really help with that.
[38:29] make sure that it's in good functioning condition we can help with that. The thing that stands
[38:32] out to me is underneath the 3.15 where it says, fair condition. I don't know about y'all
[38:39] but fair, it doesn't get me excited, right? Like, I don't want my business to be in fair condition.
[38:43] I want my business to be in good and excellent condition. So how can we help with that? Well,
[38:48] that is time. Okay, that's fine. Unless somebody would like to make a motion to give him a couple
[38:51] minutes.
[38:55] I'd like to make a motion to give him a couple more minutes. Yeah, five more minutes.
[39:00] Should be good. We have a second so one of the ways that we want to give back to the community is
[39:09] Second I was almost on all in favor. Sorry, okay with that. Yes, okay. Yes, sorry
[39:18] I didn't mean to jump the gun. I just don't know how this stuff works
[39:21] So one of the ways that we give back to the community and not just like in Dorville
[39:25] But in general is that we give back we do free cleaning the parks and schools and churches and so forth
[39:29] Because we don't have a home right now, we just lease and piece of corners, we've been spreading those efforts around.
[39:35] The idea is that by being in doorville, we would have a reason to put all of those efforts towards doorville.
[39:40] So here's a picture of one of the trucks.
[39:42] I put this in here just so you knew it wasn't AI.
[39:44] The other photos that I'm going to show you that this actually is us.
[39:48] On the left is a side of the before.
[39:50] You can see there's algae on the sign on the right.
[39:52] There's not algae on the sign.
[39:54] This is the main sign, just again, not a great first impression.
[39:58] then the
[40:00] Sidewalk in front of the, this is the sidewalk directly in front of the park. It looks better but it's not
[40:05] so much a matter that it looks better, it's safer. So the sidewalk when it's dirty, it's slippery and we don't
[40:10] want anything to happen to any of the residents that are using the park. So we cleaned all of the concrete
[40:15] sidewalks that are around. There is some new concrete at the park that we didn't clean because it's too early
[40:19] to be cleaned. Here's one of the sitting areas of the park. There's multiple different sitting areas and nobody wants
[40:25] sit on algae, I wouldn't think. So we went ahead and cleaned all of those off as well, and we cleaned
[40:31] the concrete below them, as well as the trash cans, which normally don't think about cleaning
[40:35] the outside of the trash cans, but they were green so we went ahead and didn't anyways.
[40:38] You can see that just in a couple of hours after we did some, I'm assuming little one,
[40:43] it could have been the big one, I'm not sure. You know, decided to put chalk on the fresh concrete,
[40:48] and so I thought that was kind of cool. Here's the place structure as we cleaned all the
[40:54] You can see on the, we clean the sign too, but again, that's not as impressive as the place structure.
[40:59] At the top, you can see the algae in the lake and that was on the top there.
[41:03] And to keep in mind, I spoke with Kim, Miss Kim, over the recreation department.
[41:07] She okay this, she was really appreciative and excited about it.
[41:11] And she recommended this specific park.
[41:14] It coincidentally happens to be the one closest to the property, but I didn't know that till afterwards.
[41:19] Then there's the place that, which is a really kind of a good close up of what
[41:23] but was there and what is no longer there?
[41:25] One of the things that Ms. Kim mentioned
[41:26] is that they need new play equipment
[41:29] and I would make the argument at this point
[41:31] that it wasn't that they needed new play equipment
[41:32] as they're just really dirty.
[41:35] The last thing I have here is that ultimately
[41:38] what we're trying to find a solution
[41:40] to where we can come to the city of Doreville,
[41:42] we can't really control, I guess,
[41:44] how our business operates, we spray water,
[41:48] we have equipment that requires us to do that.
[41:50] And through the whole process,
[41:51] We've been trying to do everything the right way.
[41:53] We've been super transparent.
[41:55] Albert and I are pretty much best friends now.
[41:57] You can't admit it right now.
[42:00] But Albert and I, we've talked a number of times
[42:03] over the phone and person.
[42:05] I've sat down with Austin.
[42:08] And I really wanted to get the staff's recommendation.
[42:10] They weren't willing to give it to me.
[42:11] I understand.
[42:13] And so I just want to make sure to make it very clear
[42:15] that I don't want to go against what the city is trying to do.
[42:18] I want to do exactly what the city is trying to do.
[42:20] And I think the, you know, the frontage improvements of what we would be doing is an exact line with what the new picture corridor wants.
[42:29] And so ultimately, you know, what goes on behind the fence, whether it's OW or whether it's M1, keep in mind that the super heavy uses required the conditional use permit that y'all would be voting on.
[42:40] And so it's not like, you know, some factory can just start up in the middle of the downtown corridor without y'all knowing.
[42:46] So, really, if there's only four options, there's no truly a center option, so that's where M1 comes in a place.
[42:54] It's already M2 now, so we're just asking to be able to reduce it just a little bit from where it is now, so that way we can actually operate.
[43:02] So, but thank you for your time.
[43:04] All right, thank you.
[43:06] Does anybody have any questions for the applicants?
[43:14] So what I didn't get is the outdoor storage,
[43:18] specifically, what is it about in one that requires you
[43:23] to have that designation versus office warehouse.
[43:27] I feel like you can do 90% but I feel like this 10%
[43:30] you haven't mentioned.
[43:31] Yeah, I think my understanding is that the IFR vehicles
[43:35] didn't have equipment on them that we would be able
[43:38] to park them outside and that it would not have to be in one
[43:41] is that correct?
[43:43] So all of our equipment is bolted to the truck.
[43:46] So we can't take it off the truck.
[43:49] So that's one of the my understanding
[43:51] is that that's the biggest reason.
[43:54] That was one of the things that I asked Albert
[43:55] if there was a way to still be, you know,
[43:58] have a condition on OW for us to operate,
[44:01] but it doesn't sound like that's the case.
[44:03] Is that true Albert?
[44:05] So what about chemical storage?
[44:07] Yeah, so we do, we use sodium hypercloride, which is the active ingredient in bleach.
[44:13] It's exactly what's used to clean water at the water treatment plant.
[44:17] And so we need a place to put that.
[44:19] We've had it at our current facility indoors.
[44:22] We've also had it outdoors.
[44:24] It's not hazardous, it's not combustible, it's not flammable, it's corrosive, which
[44:31] you kind of don't want inside when you have equipment inside.
[44:35] So ideally, you know, that's another reason for why M1 would be ideal for us is that it would allow for our tanks to be outside, so that way it's not inside.
[44:43] And I think part of it too, it's safe, but at the same time, like outside there's a lot more error and so forth.
[44:51] But how much are you going to need to have on site?
[44:54] So right, we would need a few thousand gallons, which to put it in perspective, that takes...
[45:00] That's right next to the building is 300,000 gallons of oil. Our tanks, the biggest tanks that we have are 3,000 gallons.
[45:10] We have two of them, and the only reason why we have two of them is because we get it delivered by tanker, and so tanker is 4500 gallons at a time. It's hard to deliver.
[45:20] And technically, you can't store more than 1,000 gallons in size that correct.
[45:24] No, we can store more than that inside the building, then.
[45:30] I don't know.
[45:31] From what I looked up on for the Cap County, I don't think you can store more than 1,000 gallons inside without appropriate water spray color system.
[45:41] Well, that's part of it.
[45:43] Is that, you know, part of this process is going through that process.
[45:45] of, I've talked to Carson Newman, you know, over the planning committee about a fire sprinkler
[45:51] of system, if we would have to do that, I've already started getting quotes for it.
[45:55] We're like fully ready to go, this isn't speculative.
[45:58] This is like we could close on the property that day after it's approved, if it does get approved
[46:03] by council.
[46:04] And so we already have our funding in place and so forth, so we have the, I already have
[46:09] a quote for a fire sprinkler system, we're still determining whether or not we're going
[46:13] have to have a base on our use.
[46:15] But if we have to have it, then we will put it in.
[46:22] And so if you did Word of Put, I guess,
[46:26] I'm not sure what the procedure for Word of Put
[46:28] an Outdoor Tank in, but you'd have a containment area.
[46:32] Yeah, yes.
[46:32] So it's really important that you have two forms of containment.
[46:36] Well, you have to have a secondary form of containment.
[46:38] So you basically have a tank inside of a tank.
[46:40] And so we have that now at our current facility.
[46:42] So we have the same thing there.
[46:44] And there's no connections at the bottom of the tank.
[46:46] It is a specific type of plastic that's super dense, that's rated for 1.9 specific gravity,
[46:54] which means basically twice the heaviness of water, so yes, it would be inside another tank.
[47:01] And when you guys perform your services, I mean, I feel like this is, I'm not sure how regulated it is,
[47:07] but I mean, you guys,
[47:12] you know, ensure that you're not letting any of the backlash, I guess,
[47:16] go into the streams and sewer systems.
[47:18] Yeah, so we actually use what's called bat guards.
[47:20] It's a product that we use.
[47:22] We're the only company that I'm aware of that does what we do that does that.
[47:25] Pressure washing has a very low barrier of entry, right?
[47:28] You go to Home Depot.
[47:28] You can buy a machine.
[47:29] Now you have a pressure washing company.
[47:31] And so for us we might have started that way when I was in college, but we've quickly gone
[47:36] away from that.
[47:37] So we're the largest in Georgia, we're maybe the largest in the southeast, we're one of
[47:42] the largest in the country.
[47:43] And, you know, the thing is, is that I graduated college in 2017, so now that long ago,
[47:48] 2018 was the first full year.
[47:50] So we're kind of a pioneer in the industry, everyone's looking at us instead of us looking
[47:54] at them.
[47:55] So we now carry that sock, basically.
[47:58] And any time we're doing any sort of cleaning where the water would be leaving the property,
[48:02] we set that sock up to block that from happening.
[48:08] Thank you.
[48:09] Thank you.
[48:13] I shouldn't spare you up again.
[48:18] Not really for the applicant, but for Albert.
[48:24] I do have, based upon something that I had seen in the slide that from,
[48:30] I can't remember.
[48:32] Where she displayed the May and June.
[48:36] I'm sorry, the May and July changes on the map.
[48:41] Can you help me understand what changed in why?
[48:45] Yeah, so I'll have to go back a little bit before that the property was one parcel to begin with to even come before you all to remove the zoning condition or even to reason the property we wouldn't be able to remove the zoning condition or reason the property with the parcel being one parcel.
[49:09] So, we had informed them, in order to have a fighting chance, you've got to separate these
[49:16] parcels off, you know, do the warehouse building on one parcel, storage tanks on one
[49:21] parcel, that way the condition can still remain on the storage tanks, but then, you know,
[49:29] you'll have a little bit of freedom for the warehouse parcel.
[49:35] The TSW consultants who are working on our comprehensive plan,
[49:44] I'm not too sure, I wasn't on the steering committee, so I don't know all the details, but I do know that they saw those tanks and maybe were recommending that those parcels should go in the tank firm districts.
[49:58] I would also like to know
[50:00] So that within the tank farm specialty districts, the implementation strategy is to encourage
[50:08] curge is a city to continue efforts to consolidate these tank sites and to allow for long-term
[50:15] growth of redevelopment of the B.H. cultural corridor. And so all that to say is when the lots
[50:22] what happened, we now recognize that, hey, the tanks are on one parcel, there is a building
[50:31] on a separate parcel.
[50:35] The vacant warehouse building should not belong in the tank from
[50:38] districts, just because it's not serving that purpose. And so a decision was made after this
[50:44] it to bring that parcel into the Bu High Culture Accordor. But again, as you saw from the 2022-2042
[50:53] plan, it was always in the Bu High Culture Accordor. Our intent was not to like add any new
[51:00] industrial activity, but because the lot split happened, it just created the opportunity.
[51:06] And so it did, it did appear as though we made a quick shift on them, but the intent was always there
[51:13] to make sure that industrial uses are not on new PC road.
[51:19] Like we recognize those things are there
[51:20] and they're not going anywhere.
[51:22] But this property has the ability to go somewhere.
[51:25] So we don't want, we want to stay away
[51:28] from the industrial activity.
[51:31] And so that is why it got changed to being
[51:35] in the B. High Cultural Accord or.
[51:43] The answer to your question.
[51:45] It did I answer your question.
[51:47] Did what I prompted another question, and looking at, and I was a picture that you had,
[51:54] that's in our packet, where the building that is in question right next to the rest
[52:01] of the tanks, when I'm looking at it to my lab, and it looks like I haven't been out there,
[52:06] but it looks like a very close proximity.
[52:09] So,
[52:12] what type of, because in my mind, and, you know, trying to stick with the comprehensive
[52:18] plan as well, when, and I wasn't obviously involved in those things, but what type of
[52:25] business is expected to be wanting to be next to a tank farm, like literally, like, yeah.
[52:33] So we don't look at what, like, the current user could be, you know, we don't look at, you know,
[52:41] why is guys staying there forever?
[52:44] What staff has the challenge of doing is, once why is guys leaves, now the doors open to anything
[52:54] that would be M1 if it were to be resound to M1, remind me of your question again, I feel like
[53:03] I was going somewhere with that.
[53:10] Yeah, I mean, even before-wise, guys,
[53:12] yeah, that's where I was laying that plane.
[53:15] So we know that that building does not have to stay there
[53:19] in its current shape and current form.
[53:21] There could be redevelopment of the site.
[53:27] That is zoning.
[53:28] So you change the zoning.
[53:30] If it's not conforming, we say you've got to meet
[53:33] the new zoning district.
[53:35] And so, you know, the building could be moved.
[53:39] This I could be reconfigured.
[53:41] You know, another user with, you know, an idea that fits the W District, you know, could
[53:48] redevelop this site.
[53:50] So we don't always look at, like, that building is going to stay there forever, because
[53:56] it potentially couldn't.
[53:59] So we agree that having a building, what 15 feet away from a sort,
[54:05] we agree that that's not ideal.
[54:08] You would probably want a buffer and some more space
[54:11] to for safety reasons.
[54:14] But that is just what is existing on the site.
[54:20] And so we're looking at it as potentially redevelopment
[54:25] or something else, long term in the future,
[54:28] not just what is being proposed today.
[54:38] Well, I'll have public comment here in a minute.
[54:42] OK.
[54:43] Did you have any questions?
[54:51] So one question I have is that in your presentation,
[54:55] you referred to the M1 as like a buffer zone.
[54:58] I was wondering if you could expand on that.
[55:00] And just say more about what you mean about what are we buffering from what time?
[55:05] Yeah, I'm going to let Kirsten answer first because they actually have language around what they need from a buffer standpoint.
[55:13] Thank you.
[55:14] Yes, I can speak to that. And as a matter of fact, that language came from, I took it from the recommendation that was made by the staff and that they said that this would be a perfect transitional zoning category.
[55:28] from the M2C to the OW, whereas we propose that an M1 would be their appropriate
[55:34] buffer category.
[55:35] Kind of speaking to what Ms. Billy Joe said is to what kind of use would you realistically
[55:42] have, whether it be now or in the future that is 15 feet away from a tank, and not only that,
[55:50] But, you know, with spoke to the dollars that it's going to take just to bring the property up to occupancy.
[55:58] And so for a buffer for us is, you know, the tank form operator as well as someone that has pipelines, you know, going through the property.
[56:06] We're thinking of buffer property as a use that can be conforming to what we could, you know, have operating realistically that's adjacent to us.
[56:14] But that wouldn't pose such a safety hazard or, you know, cause for something to have like a clash change in the pipe because the occupancy is too high or someone to come in and want to build some infrastructure over that green space, which we can't have, because we have pipelines that go through there.
[56:36] And so when you talk about the possibility
[56:39] of redevelopment, I don't, future redevelopment,
[56:44] you have to think about the restrictions of the property.
[56:47] Just like if you were trying to put a pool in
[56:49] and you had easements running in the back of your home,
[56:52] you want to put a pool in, but that easement is perpetual.
[56:57] And you have to do things that are in line with the parties
[57:03] that have the priority rights to that land.
[57:05] And so when I say above or property, I mean,
[57:07] something that can operate adjacent to us and not restrict
[57:13] be as restrictive of what we wouldn't be able to operate
[57:17] our pipelines operate our terminal and something
[57:20] that we feel is safe for the community.
[57:25] I think it's the idea of that is basically
[57:28] that you're not introducing additional risk to the terminal.
[57:32] So the deed restrictions, the reason why the deed
[57:34] are there or to minimize the risk to the terminal next door.
[57:40] That's why there's no schools, that's why there's no housing.
[57:43] There can't be parks there, which is part of the reason why this property
[57:47] really should be looked at separately from the city's initiatives.
[57:51] The beef art highway cultural corridors, a fantastic idea.
[57:54] It's just more a matter of that there's not another property in the city of Doreville.
[57:58] That's 15 feet from one tank on one side.
[58:00] 15 or 25 feet from the pipeline on the other side with an active row wrote on the back of it.
[58:06] So it's kind of in a unique position to where, you know, it's, and it's, it's so old that nowadays like Kinder Morgan would never do that.
[58:15] I looked on Google and I did measurements to see like the closest building to a tank that the next closest building is 150 feet from a tank.
[58:25] So you'll be some context.
[58:27] Thank you.
[58:30] So, if we were to approve the M1, would you be
[58:37] immunable to conditions? I did see in your application
[58:41] for the parking and outdoor storage to be contained within a
[58:45] secure gated in-screen fence, would you also be willing to accept
[58:49] the landscape buffer conditions, the street,
[59:00] street,
[59:00] architectural standards that we have in an OW?
[59:03] I don't want to speak on the OW part because I don't know exactly what the OW requirements
[59:09] are.
[59:11] In terms of everything that was presented, in terms of what we would do, yes, I'm good with
[59:17] that.
[59:18] I'm not saying that I'm not good with the OW standards, I just don't know what those
[59:21] are.
[59:22] And I mean, unless Albert wants to speak on those.
[59:30] It's a very big comprehensive chapter in the zoning ordinance.
[59:36] But it basically states that if you're doing brand new development,
[59:40] you've got to meet architectural standards from building materials.
[59:44] So it's got to look like a brick stone,
[59:47] hardcore.co on the outside.
[59:49] You've got to have architectural elements,
[59:52] like cornices, awnings, pillars.
[59:55] You've got to have certain windows.
[59:57] You've got to meet certain window.
[1:00:02] And so, it really lends itself to have a quality building. Also, the streetscape standards, you know, well, since the multi-path is already going in and there being, you know, possibly condition to do that, you know, that kind of fits together as well. But the architectural standards just really go above and beyond to just,
[1:00:29] bring a higher quality building to to the corridor?
[1:00:33] Well, and they would stop to come to you for building permits and everything like that, right?
[1:00:36] Yes, if they were to, well, if it's new development, so if it's a brand new building,
[1:00:44] if they're renovating 40% of the primary facade, that will also trigger some architectural standards.
[1:00:51] If they're adding to the building at least 20% I believe, then it will also trigger those standards.
[1:00:57] So it just depends on if they're renovating the building,
[1:01:01] if they're renovating the facade, adding to it or building brand new,
[1:01:04] certain triggers would apply.
[1:01:06] But we could ask them to work with you, should that arise?
[1:01:09] Yeah, the condition would be, you can just state architectural standards,
[1:01:13] if that's what you want them to follow,
[1:01:17] you know, if any new or redevelopment were to occur on the property.
[1:01:21] Okay, and would you be okay with that?
[1:01:24] Yeah, I think that the, you know, part of it is the, you know, like he mentioned a lot of that is with new construction, the buildings already there.
[1:01:31] We are planning on doing a lot of the things that would align with what Adobe would want in terms of adding more windows.
[1:01:37] There's not many windows on there right now.
[1:01:39] And so we'd be adding a lot more windows for our own employee sanity, which would align with that.
[1:01:46] So in terms of the, you know, I guess the biggest thing is that the frontage is really more of what would be seen.
[1:01:51] the building because it's sat on a slight hill and the building is 250 feet from the street.
[1:01:59] So I don't know that necessarily making adjustments to the building itself would be like super
[1:02:07] beneficial. In this case the frontage definitely because that's what would be seen. So I think
[1:02:11] the frontage I definitely feel good about because I've already budgeted for that. The building itself
[1:02:17] Again, I don't know what exactly, you know, that entails, and what that would cost, and I know that we're already planning on such extensive work on the inside of it.
[1:02:27] We're not planning on expanding the building or doing any adjustments to the facade besides the roof being changed.
[1:02:34] But I mean Albert knows that we're going to be working to, we would work together through the process in terms of, you know, from a building permit standpoint and so forth.
[1:02:41] Our intent is to submit for building permits by the end of September if everything goes well.
[1:02:48] And then hopefully start construction middle of October.
[1:02:51] Obviously Albert's team would have to help us with that.
[1:02:56] That's part of why I met with Albert on Monday and I was like, hey man, I really don't want to go against each other.
[1:03:03] I just want to work together because I don't look at this as this isn't a one time thing.
[1:03:08] You know, I look at this as like I'm going to be in the community for a long time.
[1:03:11] I understand the concern of like what's going to happen down the road.
[1:03:15] I've still got a couple of years left in me in this, you know, so I'm not like thinking about that.
[1:03:21] I've got a lot of aspirations with the company as it is now.
[1:03:25] And so, you know, that was one of the things that Albert and I talked about is like continuing to work together.
[1:03:31] And, you know, I'll honestly, this process has been very difficult.
[1:03:34] You know, I think I started this in January.
[1:03:37] You know, if this doesn't go through, I'm going to lose about $150,000 that I've put into it in terms of inspections.
[1:03:45] You know, I think that there's the big environmental concern with the building being as close to the terminal as it is.
[1:03:52] That would never go away.
[1:03:53] And so, you know, you could kind of look at it as like, why is this guy so crazy to even want to be here?
[1:03:59] And it's a fair point, you know, but I think that the fact that we already have tanks or cells and they're on the trucks
[1:04:05] and they're close by that it's not as scary to me
[1:04:08] as it would be for someone else because, you know,
[1:04:11] they're heavily regulated and, you know,
[1:04:14] we have to follow the same standards as well.
[1:04:16] So even though we're in different industries,
[1:04:18] we're on the same team.
[1:04:19] We've had really good communication.
[1:04:20] And I think that, you know, ultimately,
[1:04:22] that's what we would want to be is, you know,
[1:04:25] the kind of the front door from the tank farm district
[1:04:29] to the Beaufort Highway Culture Corps.
[1:04:31] That you have been willing to work with staff
[1:04:33] to do your best to match the architectural standards.
[1:04:35] Yes, I would be and the yes, I would be for sure and I think part of it is I have asked them
[1:04:41] That was one of the things that on Monday when we were in the conference room together
[1:04:44] I was like hey Albert what do you think of this you know, Austin how can we make this better and
[1:04:49] You know Albert had some ideas in terms of on maybe some commemorative bricks, you know putting that in place
[1:04:54] You know, so yeah, like I'm I
[1:04:57] Want to have it be what the city would
[1:05:00] It's just kind of hard when you don't know what the city wants. And you ask questions, but you don't, like, get, you know, answers.
[1:05:09] All right. Thank you.
[1:05:12] Yeah, good fight.
[1:05:13] It's never like a truck traffic perspective. Like, I'm not personally worried about I live a couple of weeks over from a pest control business.
[1:05:20] That has, like, a big fleet of trucks that are always on small roads and it's a road.
[1:05:24] So, the biggest truck that I saw, I think was a relatively large pickup with the equipment
[1:05:30] on the back, right?
[1:05:31] But you're not outside of, I guess, like a delivery, you're not having, like, semi's rolling
[1:05:34] there, right?
[1:05:35] No, no.
[1:05:36] So, we don't own any semi-trocks.
[1:05:38] That's one of the reasons why we think that we'd be a good fit, because we're not bringing
[1:05:41] in semi-trocks.
[1:05:42] A lot of OW uses do, because they're warehouses, they have to have stuff coming in and
[1:05:46] going.
[1:05:47] We do have bigger trucks than pickup trucks.
[1:05:49] Most of our trucks are pickup trucks, they're eight foot long, bad regular cab trucks,
[1:05:54] which is the same size as a standard crew cap truck would be just without the back seat.
[1:06:00] That's most of our trucks, but we do have what's called a Zuzu NRRs, which are flatbed trucks,
[1:06:06] which is what we had at Georgia Tech. So those are their 12 foot long beds, but they're the
[1:06:11] exact same length as a pickup truck. They're just a little bit wider. So they're not big at all.
[1:06:16] Yeah, and you're fleets like what? 30 trucks are? If 30 trucks right now, and I think something to
[1:06:21] to, is that we, at this point, are not necessarily looking to expand our current location,
[1:06:27] what we're looking to do is open up other locations throughout the southeast, that this
[1:06:30] would be the headquarters, and so I don't envision, this is not a situation we're going to have
[1:06:36] like a hundred trucks there. It's really just that we need to get our headquarters established,
[1:06:40] and the next place that we'd want to open up would be like Marietta, Canisol, Woodstock,
[1:06:44] over on that side of the city, because we service the entire Atlanta Metro, and then we'll have
[1:06:49] the side if we're going to move down south or if we're going to go to like a green
[1:06:52] bill, south car line, I got up. So the number of trucks isn't necessarily going to
[1:06:57] increase much compared to where it is now because as soon as we open up the next
[1:07:01] location, we'll be moving trucks over there.
[1:07:05] And then last question, from like an economic impact standpoint, how many employees you have
[1:07:10] coming in that might go get breakfast or laying our lunch or whatever? I'm trying to understand
[1:07:14] that too.
[1:07:15] Yeah, so we have 15 employees right now.
[1:07:17] It depends on the time of year, because we are seasonal.
[1:07:20] So it does fluctuate, but average, we're about 50
[1:07:22] employees over the course of the year.
[1:07:24] And so, yeah, I mean, it would be a pretty big economic trip.
[1:07:29] The building has basically been on use for 20 years.
[1:07:31] That's what the image is showed in the slideshow
[1:07:34] is that it's been sitting there on use altogether.
[1:07:36] And so we would be immediately moving jobs
[1:07:39] that we already have next door and future corners
[1:07:41] into the city of Dorville.
[1:07:42] And I think to, you know, to the point of like having somewhere to people to walk to will walking to work is a pretty good reason to walk to.
[1:07:50] And so, you know, I think that like for me, that's what one of the things that drives me to this property is that I live in Buckhead by live close to the manifestation.
[1:07:58] I could take the scooter to the manifestation, take the train to the doorbell station and then take the scooter down the mobility path to work.
[1:08:03] So like, it's perfect for me. I don't like driving.
[1:08:07] And so, yeah, so that's part of the economic benefit as well as that we're bringing jobs that otherwise aren't there.
[1:08:13] And these are jobs that the residents of Dorville, like we would love to have them.
[1:08:18] We already have some of the residents of Dorville working for us.
[1:08:21] We'd love to continue that.
[1:08:22] And to give you some context, we're the type of employer where someone starts off as a general labor and they have somewhere to grow.
[1:08:29] Out of all the 50 people that we have in the company there's only two that we're not first to technician.
[1:08:34] They coincidentally happen to be our, you know, female employees doesn't mean that we can't have female technicians
[1:08:39] It just kind of worked out that way and so you know all of our staff whether it's on sales or customer service or management of all come even myself from someone who actually sprayed water in the field first
[1:08:52] Right, thank you any further questions
[1:08:56] Okay, thank you
[1:08:58] All right, let's go ahead and open up
[1:09:00] The floor for public comment, anybody who should speak in favor of this item, please come
[1:09:04] up to the podium or raise your hand on Zoom.
[1:09:11] If you remember what your question or your comment was earlier.
[1:09:15] Hi, my name is Justin, I'm with Lee and Associates, I'm a industrial property specialist.
[1:09:22] So, Kirsten answered my question for the most part, but I just wanted to elaborate on that
[1:09:28] fuel tank line on the adjacent right of the property.
[1:09:31] I know that Albert was discussing on development and also just the OW use and the continued
[1:09:38] easement with Kinder Morgan.
[1:09:41] I've never seen an OW property with an easement like that, and I don't think that that.
[1:09:46] Honestly, I think that would present some legality issues down the line.
[1:09:50] So I just wanted to elaborate on that for you guys.
[1:09:54] Thank you.
[1:09:56] All right.
[1:09:56] I'm sure.
[1:10:02] And then please take your name where you're from, and you can have up to four minutes.
[1:10:06] Okay. Okay.
[1:10:07] Oh, the microphone. Yeah.
[1:10:09] My doorbell, which is my listening, what all is being talked about?
[1:10:13] I think it's a great opportunity for doorbells to have a business like that.
[1:10:16] I've been that place in empty, no traffic, and I think that would be that life to be.
[1:10:24] All right. Thank you.
[1:10:26] Joy.
[1:10:29] Hi. My name's Peter Bloom. I'm Wesley Stad.
[1:10:33] I'm very familiar with his business.
[1:10:35] And one of the things that wasn't mentioned as a local resident, I'm not, but if I was,
[1:10:41] one of my concerns would be, you know, traffic flow in and out of the facility, you know,
[1:10:45] how much business is it?
[1:10:47] And it's primarily, as I understand it, mostly twice a day, the employees going to work
[1:10:54] and then going out to do their jobs and then coming home and going home.
[1:11:00] So am I correct. And so it's not like there's a lot of traffic flow that's going to be an issue.
[1:11:08] I'm almost also a former business owner that ran a business indoor bill for over 10 years
[1:11:15] with Atlanta rocks, where the first indoor rock climbing gym in Atlanta.
[1:11:19] And I was looking at this property thinking what business would be in the right mind
[1:11:25] want to be next to this tank farm. I certainly wouldn't. I don't know any other businesses that would.
[1:11:31] So, this really to me is an ideal arrangement where it's not going to cause any issues and it's
[1:11:39] going to bring business to the city. It's also going to improve the look of the area.
[1:11:48] The employees are going to go out and have lunches maybe or bring lunches from the surrounding areas.
[1:11:53] So I just see it as a positive win-win for everyone.
[1:11:59] All right, thank you.
[1:12:02] Anybody else in the room?
[1:12:04] OK, anybody on Zoom?
[1:12:06] Please use the various hand function.
[1:12:11] OK, not seeing anyone.
[1:12:13] Anybody which can speak against?
[1:12:16] Lizzie, they come up to the podium or use the various hand
[1:12:18] function.
[1:12:22] OK, we'll go ahead and close public comment.
[1:12:25] Any further questions?
[1:12:28] I mean, I don't see this being any worse in a wastewater treatment plant.
[1:12:35] And we could buy it smell better.
[1:12:37] Yeah, exactly.
[1:12:38] They smell better.
[1:12:40] I mean, they got to feed my part when they develop new neighborhoods, enroll areas that are
[1:12:45] under a half acre.
[1:12:47] They have to build new wastewater plants within the community.
[1:12:51] So I mean, even if a developer does develop something to cross street that is residential,
[1:12:56] So I think I still think it'd be an appropriate location for it.
[1:13:01] Also, I mean, doorbell is known to be a small business
[1:13:03] and get later home depot, and I'm sure there's other businesses.
[1:13:11] I mean, I think we should be happy that they're here,
[1:13:13] and I don't think we should enter them by zoning in one,
[1:13:16] but we should zone in two.
[1:13:18] If I really believe, I'm not 100% sure,
[1:13:21] but for more or less on the internet,
[1:13:22] they're limited to a thousand gallons in door storage.
[1:13:25] I think that's a recent thing from the Korean fires.
[1:13:30] I think him too would be prohibited of opposed to your service.
[1:13:34] M1, the Arctic.
[1:13:36] Yeah, M1.
[1:13:36] OK.
[1:13:38] I'm like, yeah.
[1:13:38] You got it.
[1:13:39] I also would like to comment that I mean these oil, the M2 field distribution zoning.
[1:13:55] I mean, these oil companies are going to have other assets, other than tanks, that they're
[1:13:59] going to want to offload other people, and we should probably develop a method for rezoning
[1:14:04] it in the take form, just properties that could potentially be used for other uses.
[1:14:15] Thank you.
[1:14:16] All right.
[1:14:17] Would somebody like to make a motion?
[1:14:28] Go ahead.
[1:14:31] Just a process question, I know this is in theory set to go to council on in two weeks.
[1:14:38] Like in a hypothetical scenario, in which we say, in one with conditions in, you know, in accordance
[1:14:48] with OW standards, like the lack of specifics, in that proposed potential motion, does
[1:14:57] limit the ability to keep the ball run.
[1:15:00] Forward, as far as the lack of like very specific criteria of exactly what things they need to abide by with a W.
[1:15:07] If, again, hypothetically, that was the motion.
[1:15:10] Yeah, the conditions could be, you know, you can condition them to their proposed conceptual idea of the streetscape.
[1:15:21] You can condition them to architectural standards. You would not be able to condition them.
[1:15:27] Well, okay, if you're going, if you're seeking the OW district, you wouldn't be able to
[1:15:34] condition them to allow for outdoor storage, because you cannot condition uses that are
[1:15:43] not allowed in the district.
[1:15:45] But if you're looking at the M1 district, then you would just need to condition it to things
[1:15:53] that would, I guess, improve the, make property improvements and then any other conditions that you see fit did you have any like specific questions that you were no purely and like whatever that motion is if it passes wouldn't necessarily that specific motion is going to be the one that goes to council or it's going to be like a whole refresh because this is on binding.
[1:16:15] Yes, so your recommendation with any added conditions would go to Council, our recommendation would still stay as, yeah, but yes, y'all, whatever y'all say tonight, we will present to Council in two weeks.
[1:16:33] It makes sense, thanks.
[1:16:35] Okay.
[1:16:36] Any other discussion?
[1:16:39] Okay.
[1:16:40] What's something like to make a motion?
[1:16:44] All right, I make a motion to approve.
[1:16:47] I lost my paper here on Z2606 which changing it to M1 with the conditions of the parking
[1:16:59] storage contained within a secure gated and screen fence as well as the landscape buffers,
[1:17:05] street scape standards and as written out in OW and work with staff as far as architectural
[1:17:17] standards according to OW. When the time comes.
[1:17:26] Also I got
[1:17:29] made the motion and Chris made the
[1:17:30] second.
[1:17:36] Call the roll please.
[1:17:41] Evan? No.
[1:17:46] Billy? Yes. Yes.
[1:17:55] Chris? Yes.
[1:18:02] Michael? Yes. All right. Thank you. This will go on for
[1:18:06] accounts one two weeks
[1:18:12] onto the next case, please.
[1:18:15] All right.
[1:18:16] Let's be here.
[1:18:23] All right.
[1:18:24] So tonight's second item on the agenda.
[1:18:26] It's for a condition to use permits submitted by Gloria Dorado for a commercial recreation
[1:18:31] establishment that is greater than 3,000 square feet.
[1:18:34] The applicant's intent is to open an event hall known as Cassandra's event hall located at
[1:18:39] 5B for Highway Suite 18A. This property is on T5.
[1:18:45] The suite is about 4,000 square feet. It is located in the Treasure Village Shopping Center.
[1:18:53] Here's the front facade of where they're wanting to locate. I like to point out that the
[1:18:58] business to the left is a billiards in Paul, and there's only two suites at this specific
[1:19:04] end of the property, just a little bit of details about Cassandra's event hall. They want
[1:19:12] to be an event hall for all types of events, private professional weddings, continued as anything
[1:19:19] where people want to gather. Maximum occupancy there are expecting maybe 200 people, but that will
[1:19:26] be determined based off of our building inspectors like safety inspection, based off their the type
[1:19:31] use that they are and their occupancy classification or if the fire marshal has any rules
[1:19:38] regarding this they will also maybe impose a like a cap limit of how many people can be inside
[1:19:43] the building at any one time regarding alcohol the applicant doesn't sell they don't intend to sell
[1:19:50] provide distributors serve alcohol themselves as like the owner of the event hall hours of
[1:19:57] operation they are
[1:20:00] You know, they're leaving it open ended to bookings, but they don't anticipate any events to be held prior to 8 a.m. or later than 2.30 a.m. Monday through Sunday.
[1:20:11] They do anticipate to have one manager on staff and also hire custodial staff to clean up after each event.
[1:20:19] Here's their proposed floor plan to enter the doors, go through a reception area, and then
[1:20:24] there are the tables, chairs, here is a photo of a possible setup.
[1:20:33] Staff are recommending, oh, I did want to go over alcohol rules with the objects so that
[1:20:39] we were aware of what is and what's not allowed.
[1:20:41] So city has rules on alcohol.
[1:20:44] We offer three ways to offer alcohol in the city.
[1:20:47] So we have our traditional alcohol license,
[1:20:50] which means that the establishment has a full commercial
[1:20:52] kitchen, and they serve at least 60% sales in food,
[1:20:58] 40% sales in alcohol.
[1:21:01] So they have to meet that minimum threshold
[1:21:03] in order to obtain a traditional business license.
[1:21:06] So if you meet that criteria, come to the city
[1:21:09] apply for alcohol license, we issue it, you know, and then we hold you to those roles.
[1:21:14] If you do not have a commercial kitchen, we have a what is called an accessory alcohol
[1:21:18] license where if you need alcohol, but you don't have a full commercial kitchen, this accessory
[1:21:26] alcohol license is for certain businesses where your main revenue source is something other
[1:21:33] than alcohol, but that you know, you can, if you've got to go before you first see,
[1:21:40] you of course get approved, and if the alcohol license is granted, you'd be kind of,
[1:21:45] alcohol would be kind of your, your minor cells, not, not your major cells.
[1:21:50] There are exclusions for accessory alcohol license. So, restaurants are excluded,
[1:21:56] nightclubs, banquet halls, event venues, dance halls, sexually oriented businesses,
[1:22:01] as sonas and then other uses as a term
[1:22:04] and by the community development director.
[1:22:07] So, because they are on this list,
[1:22:09] they would be an eligible to receive an accessory
[1:22:12] alcohol license, but a example of who we've issued it to
[1:22:19] is the exhibition hub where they have,
[1:22:22] you know, they're kind of a museum of sorts,
[1:22:26] and they serve cocktails and such.
[1:22:29] The third option is called off-premises catering of alcohol.
[1:22:35] So the rule states that you have to seek out a doorville business, who holds a doorville business license.
[1:22:42] So if you find somebody that has a doorville business license and they also have a doorville alcohol license,
[1:22:48] you hire them to come to the event and they serve the alcohol.
[1:22:53] People serving the alcohol also have to have doorville pouring permits.
[1:22:57] So really the responsibility of people serving and drinking alcohol falls on that doorville business license that they've hired.
[1:23:06] But it's not a one-in-done thing. Every time they hold an event, they have to apply for it off premise is catering permit with the city of doorville.
[1:23:18] So, you know, if somebody comes in and applies
[1:23:22] and is granted one, it's only specific to that event
[1:23:26] that they're holding, the next event that comes
[1:23:29] and if they wanna have alcohol at that next event,
[1:23:32] they're gonna have to do the same process
[1:23:33] over and over again each time
[1:23:35] that they want to have alcohol at each event.
[1:23:39] Bring your own beverage is not allowed,
[1:23:41] so if clients come, bring beer,
[1:23:44] not allowed at all, just because we need to hold somebody accountable if somebody's over
[1:23:51] poured or if accident happened when they leave the venue, somebody has to be liable.
[1:23:57] So the person who holds the alcohol license and the pouring permits, we look at them
[1:24:02] first of, you know, what was poured, how many were poured, you know, was the person
[1:24:07] So that is, those are the three methods for alcohol in the city of Dorville.
[1:24:22] So staff are recommending approval with conditions.
[1:24:26] So coin operated amusement machines we typically have conditioned event halls with this.
[1:24:33] Also the front, we don't want the front windows to be covered in any way.
[1:24:39] And let me pull up the staff report because those are more detailed than what is on the screen.
[1:24:46] There we go.
[1:24:48] So the front window shall be transparent and unblocked.
[1:24:51] We need to be able to see inside.
[1:24:54] Also outdoor events are prohibited at any time.
[1:24:58] So you can't have like,
[1:25:00] The event, both outdoors indoors, everything has to be inside the building. Unless they obtain a special event permit with our police department.
[1:25:11] So, the special event permit, if obtained, they could have some sort of outdoor event in the parking lot.
[1:25:16] But those are kind of issued a couple of times a year. We don't just issue those every weekend, but this condition is so that everything is indoors.
[1:25:25] all the noises indoors, you know, the people are safe indoors, it's a no outdoor events.
[1:25:31] We also want a condition that BYUB is not allowed at any time, so if a PD or code enforcement
[1:25:40] roll up to this establishment on a random Friday night and people are drinking, they're
[1:25:45] going to be looking for an off-premises catering caterer who should have a alcohol license
[1:25:53] and pouring permits. If they do not have that, then they would just be subject to a slew
[1:26:00] of possible notices and citations. So I just wanted to add that as a condition, in just
[1:26:06] in case one of the, you know, keep the applicant aware. And so we are recommending approval.
[1:26:14] Thank you.
[1:26:15] Thank you so much. Does anybody have any questions for Albert?
[1:26:22] Okay. If the applicant is
[1:26:24] here,
[1:26:27] please
[1:26:38] state your name, where you're from, and you can have
[1:26:40] to 10 minutes.
[1:26:45] No, no, because we also have people listening at home,
[1:26:48] and we need them to be able to hear you too.
[1:26:51] So there's some Eschloria, and she's on her.
[1:26:53] I'm here just to support also on the language.
[1:26:56] Just to,
[1:27:02] did you have anything you wanted to present to us?
[1:27:06] Yeah, we just wanted to, you know, just to know that the other
[1:27:08] in the same area, Rikos is gone, is not longer in the premises.
[1:27:14] It will be the only one.
[1:27:15] You know, just the only event hall in that area.
[1:27:19] Okay, in that shopping center.
[1:27:21] Okay.
[1:27:22] Does anybody have any questions for the applicant?
[1:27:25] Yeah, are you in your goal or comfortable with the four conditions that staff has
[1:27:29] reposed?
[1:27:35] Thank you.
[1:27:37] All right.
[1:27:38] Let's go ahead and open up the public hearing.
[1:27:41] Anybody want to speak in favor of this?
[1:27:42] Please come up to the podium or use the raise hand function in Zoom.
[1:27:48] Anybody who sends big against?
[1:27:53] Okay, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing.
[1:27:56] Any further questions?
[1:28:00] Would somebody like to make a motion?
[1:28:03] I moved to approve CUP 2602.
[1:28:07] Okay, do we have a second?
[1:28:12] Yeah, did you want to add staff conditions on there?
[1:28:13] Sorry, yes.
[1:28:14] I moved to approve CUP 2602 with staff conditions.
[1:28:20] Okay, do we have a second?
[1:28:22] Okay, I'm going to make the motion, Chris, make the second, call the roll please.
[1:28:27] Yes.
[1:28:27] Chris?
[1:28:29] Yes?
[1:28:29] Really?
[1:28:30] Yes?
[1:28:30] Yes?
[1:28:31] And Michael?
[1:28:32] Yes.
[1:28:33] All right.
[1:28:35] And this will go to City Council in two weeks.
[1:28:40] Okay.
[1:28:40] And when we have a second, we're on to the...
[1:28:47] Is it an Isabelle party?
[1:28:50] Yeah.
[1:28:59] Good evening, planning commission. So this is for case CUP 2603, which is a request for a jewelry store located at 635 P.C. Road.
[1:29:10] We have received order that the applicant wishes to postpone their application indefinitely. Since the case has been advertised, he's asking for the planning commission to honor this request.
[1:29:19] And the applicant is here if the planning commission has any questions for him.
[1:29:25] Okay, so is he pulling the application?
[1:29:27] Are we just deferring it indefinitely?
[1:29:30] deferring it indefinitely until he's ready to come back with it.
[1:29:32] Okay, okay, I understand.
[1:29:34] All right, will the applicant like to come up and say anything?
[1:29:42] Oh, yes.
[1:29:43] This application will be postponed temporarily.
[1:29:47] We will see me back on podium in just a few minutes for the second CUP that I'm requesting a permit for.
[1:29:53] But we just have a lot of ongoing projects right now.
[1:29:55] So temporarily, this particular Julie store permit will be postponed.
[1:30:03] Okay, let's see if we have any questions.
[1:30:07] Okay, and would somebody like to make a motion to defer CP2603 due to the applicants request, until they are ready to come back before us?
[1:30:17] I'd like to make a motion to defer CUP2603 until further notice.
[1:30:25] All right, do we have a second?
[1:30:27] Okay, I made the motion and I made the second. Call the roll please.
[1:30:32] Yes, Devon. Yes. Yes, Chris. Yes. Michael. Yes. Okay, and then we're on to the final item.
[1:31:18] Thank you everyone for their patience. Albert is very unfamiliar with the computer system.
[1:31:22] So,
[1:31:29] this is for case the UP26-04, which is a request for alcohol located on 635 P.C.
[1:31:35] Road, suites 8213214 and 215.
[1:31:43] The applicant is Q District, which is being represented by Nebel Koja.
[1:31:48] Their request is for a Q District is a new pool hall that is located in a T5 property,
[1:31:55] and they're proposing to sell beer wine and spirits at their local pool hall is down.
[1:32:02] So here it is. It is located in P.C. Plaza by the H mark.
[1:32:07] And it is located upstairs and again it is sweet 82132425.
[1:32:14] Here are the business details. The space size is all combined together into one space.
[1:32:18] So it is about 5,650 square feet. The services provided are pool hall activities,
[1:32:24] sports lounge, food service, darts and board games.
[1:32:27] The proposed hours of operation is Monday to Thursday from 3 to 11pm and Friday through Sunday
[1:32:35] it's 12pm to 2am.
[1:32:38] They're going to have about 5 to 8 employees consisting of managers, bartenders, servers,
[1:32:43] kitchen staff, floor attendance and security personnel.
[1:32:46] Their request is to seek approval to be able to serve beer wine and spirits.
[1:32:52] Here is their floor plan.
[1:32:54] You can see the multiple pool tables, the bar and the front door.
[1:32:58] And here's some interior photos.
[1:33:01] This is the front counter when you walk in and the multiple
[1:33:05] pull tables that you saw on the floor plan.
[1:33:09] I'm sports entertainment.
[1:33:12] So for context, the previous business here was Red Fox
[1:33:16] Billord's Club.
[1:33:17] They were operating there until recently
[1:33:19] and Q, Avengers had taken over.
[1:33:24] Red Fox got the CUP 18-04.
[1:33:28] and this was to approve the use of the billor's hall. Red Fox then also got the variance
[1:33:35] V-18-04 and this was because there was a rule back then where for billor's halls and
[1:33:42] pull halls you can only have up to three tables. So V-18-04 they applied four to allow for
[1:33:50] 18 and that was approved. So both the CUP and the variance were carried over to queue district
[1:33:56] as the business that followed them.
[1:34:00] Red Fox did have an alcohol license
[1:34:01] for beer, wine, and spirits,
[1:34:04] but alcohol licenses, unlike the variants
[1:34:06] in the CEP that they had,
[1:34:08] do not transfer from one business to another.
[1:34:14] The staff is recommending approval with conditions,
[1:34:17] or the one condition that the business
[1:34:19] shall not have, to tell not have,
[1:34:21] coin operated amusement machines
[1:34:23] as defined as section six, six, 161.
[1:34:27] And the applicant is here to answer any questions.
[1:34:30] Hey, thank you.
[1:34:32] Seeing family questions for Isabelle.
[1:34:38] Okay?
[1:34:39] If they have a look at what I like to come up.
[1:34:42] And you could have up to 10 minutes.
[1:34:47] So good evening, planning commissioners.
[1:34:49] Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to appear before you tonight.
[1:34:52] Once again, my name is Nabil.
[1:34:54] And I'm here with my partner, Hannah.
[1:34:56] Actually, he's not here.
[1:34:57] He was unable to be present.
[1:35:00] So, when you hear me say, we, that's what I'm referring to, but we're the owners of Cuba,
[1:35:05] strictly located in the P.T. from the Pavilion, that's 60, 35 P.T. road.
[1:35:10] So, I tried to express my paper in right eye and we, so you may see a little bit of mix up
[1:35:15] and back and forth, but I will just go with what I initially typed. So, we're here tonight to
[1:35:19] respectfully request approval of our conditional use permit for the sale and service of beer wine
[1:35:24] and distilled spirits as an accessory to our pool hall and sports lounge.
[1:35:30] We're investing in a professionally operated recreational and entertainment facility centered
[1:35:34] around billiards, sports, food, and social entertainment.
[1:35:39] Our facilities approximately 5,650 square foot with pool tables, large screen televisions,
[1:35:45] projectors, seating areas, food service, board games, darts, leagues, and tournaments.
[1:35:50] Our vision is to provide the type of complete experience that the customers have to expect from
[1:35:55] a quality pool hall and sports lounge.
[1:35:58] When someone chooses to spend two or three or four hours at a facility like ours, they're
[1:36:02] not simply looking for a pool table.
[1:36:04] They're looking for a clean and comfortable environment, quality equipment, good food, beverages,
[1:36:09] sports on television, and an atmosphere where they can spend time with friends, family,
[1:36:14] teammates, or coworkers.
[1:36:15] This is the experience we're trying to create.
[1:36:17] The ability to provide alcoholic beverages responsible is an important part of the completing that expectation.
[1:36:25] This CUP approval will be complimentary to our business.
[1:36:28] That is not the foundation of our business.
[1:36:31] Our primary focus will still remain billiards and recreation.
[1:36:36] In fact, our operation is specifically designed around that purpose.
[1:36:40] We plan to host pool leagues and tournaments, including our involvement with the Atlanta professional leagues,
[1:36:45] EPA and APA leagues, while also providing a casual destination for people who want to watch
[1:36:51] professional and college sporting events. We believe this permit is considerably important
[1:36:56] for our business, sustainability standpoint. We have made a significant investment in this
[1:37:02] location, including the build-out equipment, full table staffing and ongoing operating expenses.
[1:37:08] We have committed ourselves through substantial commercial lease and to creating a facility
[1:37:13] that we believe will be an asset to the shopping center.
[1:37:20] A goal is to build a business that is financially
[1:37:22] sustainable for the long run, not simply open
[1:37:25] stores and hope it survives.
[1:37:26] The ability to offer food, alcoholic beverages, alongside
[1:37:29] our primary recreational activities gives us the opportunity
[1:37:32] to create a stronger and more sustainable business model.
[1:37:37] We're also mindful of the responsibility that comes
[1:37:39] within alcohol license.
[1:37:40] We understand that approvals of privilege, not an entitlement.
[1:37:44] Our plan is to have management
[1:37:45] present during ongoing operations, properly trained employees, involved in service and alcohol
[1:37:51] service and increased staffing during evenings, weekends, tournaments and major sporting events.
[1:37:56] A designated manager will be responsible for overseeing alcohol service compliance while
[1:38:01] maintaining a safe and orderly environment. So once again, our facility is approximately
[1:38:07] 5,650 square foot, which gives us something very important, which is space. We're not proposing
[1:38:12] a small overcrowded establishment or customers are packed together, our layout provides room
[1:38:18] for comfortable seatings, 16 to full tables, circulation, dining and social interaction.
[1:38:24] That allows our staff to maintain visibility of the facility and maintain the operation
[1:38:28] appropriately.
[1:38:31] We are part of an established commercial plaza that already includes entertainment, dining
[1:38:36] and businesses that serve alcoholic beverages.
[1:38:38] Our neighbor business, the next door unit, Mike Scaryoky, operates as a full service bar and other businesses within the plaza also incorporate alcoholic beverages in their operations.
[1:38:50] Our proposal is different because we're bringing something to the plaza that currently does not have a dedicated billiards and sports entertainment destination.
[1:38:58] We believe that Q-district ad divers adds diversity to the plaza rather than taking away from what is already there.
[1:39:05] someone may come to the center for karaoke, someone may come for dinner or shopping at the
[1:39:10] H-Mart, but someone may come to Q District for a pool tournament or simply to watch a football game.
[1:39:15] These uses can complement one another and help make the shopping center a stronger destination.
[1:39:20] We want Q District to be a long-term business in Doreville.
[1:39:26] We believe Q District can bring positive economic
[1:39:28] activity to the city. One thing I would like to add is our location is directly connected to the
[1:39:37] as a natural extension of our business,
[1:39:39] and we fall literally in the backyard
[1:39:41] of the newly built venues.
[1:39:43] We understand that the Pringle Ambitators
[1:39:45] and important parts of,
[1:39:46] in part of Dorville's future as a destination
[1:39:48] for entertainment and community activity.
[1:39:52] After attending outdoor events, concerts
[1:39:54] or other activities in the ambitator
[1:39:57] and the assembly studios,
[1:39:59] guess would have the opportunity.
[1:40:07] We want to participate in a local community support to continue the growth of the area and help create a more connected entertainment district. We understand the city's responsibility to protect the surrounding community and maintain appropriate standards.
[1:40:19] We share that responsibility and if we're committed to operating in a manner that reflects
[1:40:25] well on the city, the Plaza and our business.
[1:40:29] So tonight, I respectfully ask for your approval of our conditional user permit.
[1:40:33] To close, we believe this permit will allow us to provide a more complete customer experience,
[1:40:38] remain competitive with comparable and similar entertainment venues around the Atlanta Metro area.
[1:40:44] to support the long-term substantial ability of our business and contribute positively to the commercial
[1:40:50] center answer-rounding community.
[1:40:52] In closing, once again, we'd like to thank Mr. Albert and Mrs. Bell in assisting for the
[1:40:57] preparation of this meeting.
[1:40:59] And for the rest of the planning commissioners, we appreciate the opportunity to appear before
[1:41:04] you and we're happy to answer any questions as the council may have.
[1:41:08] Thank you.
[1:41:09] We have any questions for that up again.
[1:41:12] I just have one question.
[1:41:12] What is the,
[1:41:16] sorry about that?
[1:41:18] What is the maximum occupancy of your building?
[1:41:23] 256 members are acceptable.
[1:41:27] And you would have, you said, I believe, five to eights down.
[1:41:32] Correct.
[1:41:33] Something along those lines as we needed more stuff will be involved.
[1:41:39] Thank
[1:41:42] you.
[1:41:42] Thank you.
[1:41:43] And you're comfortable with one staff condition?
[1:41:46] So this is actually a condition that we had with the lease owners landowners as well.
[1:41:49] Before we signed a lease that no machines to call machines would not be allowed.
[1:41:54] So that is signed upon on the lease prior.
[1:41:57] We're okay with that.
[1:41:59] Thanks.
[1:42:03] Thank you.
[1:42:04] Thank you.
[1:42:06] All right.
[1:42:07] So let's go ahead and open up the public hearing.
[1:42:10] Anybody who wishes you to begin favor of this please come out to the podium or use the raised hand function on zoom
[1:42:17] Okay, not seeing anyone and we wish you speak against okay. We'll go ahead and close the public comments
[1:42:27] Any further questions
[1:42:30] What's a my like to make a motion
[1:42:35] make a motion to approve CUP
[1:42:38] 26-04. Did you want to add the staff condition with the staff recommendations?
[1:42:44] Okay, do you have a second?
[1:42:45] So I just go ahead, so I think I made the motion, Chris made the second, call the
[1:42:53] rolepiece, Michael, yes, yes, really, yes, and I don't think we have any staff comments
[1:43:05] tonight, so I would say I like to make a motion, should you, I may have to adjourn, do we have a second?
[1:43:13] Oh, second.
[1:43:14] Devin made the motion. Michael made the second.
[1:43:16] Call the roll please.
[1:43:18] Devin.
[1:43:19] Yes.
[1:43:20] Michael.
[1:43:21] Yes.
[1:43:21] Chris.
[1:43:22] Yes.
[1:43:23] Is that?
[1:43:23] Yes.
[1:43:24] And Billy.
[1:43:25] All right.
[1:43:25] Good night, everybody.