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Recording in progress.

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All right, let's call this meeting to order. Welcome, everyone. This is Adoraville City Council meeting being held on Wednesday, September 16th, 2026. At 6 p.m., Adoraville City Hall. I'd like to remind everyone to please silence your cell phones if you have them in the make noise. Also, Adoraville is proud to be a city's civility while differences of opinion are natural.

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Let us approach each other with open minds, speak with courtesy and treat one another with dignity and respect.

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Respect is the foundation of good governance and we thank you for holding the spirit of civility with us.

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Right, I will call the roll, Mayor Garmin. I am here, Councilmember Simmons.

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Here.

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Councilmember Nasser.

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Here.

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Councilmember Evans.

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Here.

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Councilmember Ray.

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Here.

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Councilmember Hensha.

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Here.

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And I guess just a note for our next agenda, we need to remove the district to post to person.

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All right, I'd like to ask everyone in the chamber to please rise and join us for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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This

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is to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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Would anyone like to make a motion to approve tonight's meeting agenda?

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So we'll do you have a second all right any discussion

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All in favor

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Thank you, and I'd like to ask Dr. Cynthia Roman Hernandez who's the VP of the Latin American Association for family stabilization and well-being to please join me at the podium for the

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Hispanic in Latin American Heritage Month

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It's proclamation.

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All right, well, September 16th, so one day into Hispanic Heritage Month, Dr. Cynthia

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Roman Hernandez earned her doctorate of philosophy and a master of social work from the University

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of Puerto Rico, Rio Piedra's campus, and has dedicated more than 25 years to improving the

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a well-being of individuals, families, and communities.

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Since November 2010, Dr. Roman Hernandez

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has served in the family well-being program

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at the...

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All Latin American Association, which is the oldest and largest nonprofit organization serving Hispanic and Latino immigrants in Georgia. Her work has expanded, has supported the basic needs program. And the important community initiatives, including the annual health expo from 2015 through 2018,

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Laferia daily per source in 2019, and advocacy efforts addressing housing, health, and hunger among women and families.

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Through the basic needs program, Dr. Roman Hernandez and the Latin American Association have empowered low income individuals and families to overcome hardship,

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achievement, achieved stability, and pursue long-term self-sufficiency.

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The City of Dorville recognizes Dr. Cynthia Roman Hernandez for her extraordinary leadership,

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compassion, scholarship, and unwavering commitment to strengthening families, and advocating

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women and serving Swarge's Hispanic and Latino communities.

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And before I present this proclamation, I also just want to say how important Dorville's Latin

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and American and Hispanic community is to us.

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They make up the majority of people who live in Doraville

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and so this is an important month

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and we are happy to have someone so prestigious

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except this proclamation for us.

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So now therefore be it resolved that I, Joseph Guyerman

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on behalf of the Doraville City Council,

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hereby honor and commend Dr. Cynthia Roman Hernandez

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for her more than 25 years of exemplary service

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and for her lasting contributions to social work,

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community empowerment and the well-being of individuals and families throughout

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Georgia and beyond. Dr. Hernandez, Roman Hernandez, thank you so much.

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I'd love to invite you

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to stay a few words.

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I will be brief. So I'm very again, I race and burn in Puerto Rico.

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In the last 15 years, I've been leading the family stabilization will be the

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Department of the Latin America Association,

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and he has truly a privilege to work with our community.

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We have built programs around nutrition, health,

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and housing, and this work is not.

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Only my work is a group of people talented and dedicated

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people that every day is working with us

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to make this mission alive.

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We are working hard this couple of years,

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more than ever need the support and collaboration of everybody and the city of

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Doraville has been amazing like with us and us also other cities like

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Blue Heaven and and the whole view for corridor has been part of this big

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coalition of support for this community and just very truly is an honor. I'm

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super humble to receive this recognition, I thank the Mayor and the Council for this recognition.

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I dedicate this to my husband, my son, my family, and everybody, thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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As you may or may not know, but you can see from the banner in front of the Dias, this is a welcoming week.

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we were going to have a celebration in front of City Hall over the weekend but there was a

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trenchill down for and flood warnings throughout like the the morning when we were going to hold

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it and unfortunately had to be canceled. We had planned on doing the proclamation for these folks

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who were going to recognize for welcoming week at that event however because it had to be delayed

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we are doing it now so I see them in the audience if Dr.

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if Reverend Winston Whirl from Northwoods United Methodist Church could

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join me as well as any members of the United Methodist Northwoods United Methodist

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Outreach team are there any other members that's okay so

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gonna have a little

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information about Welcoming Week as well as what Northwood's United Methodist does.

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Welcoming Week is an annual celebration that brings together neighbors of all backgrounds

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to strengthen connections.

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Promote understanding and affirm the importance of creating communities where everyone feels valued, respected, and included. The City of Doraville proudly celebrates its rich cultural diversity and recognizes that residents from different nations, traditions, faiths, and experiences contribute to the strength, vitality, and character of our community. The Northwoods United Methodist Church Outreach team has demonstrated an ongoing commitment to serving the individuals and families in our community.

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and supporting neighbors in need, creating meaningful opportunities for fellowship, compassion, and community engagement.

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Through its outreach efforts, the Northwoods United Methodist Church Outreach team

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helps foster a welcoming environment where people from diverse backgrounds can connect,

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receive support, and experience a genuine sense of belonging.

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Reverend Whirl's leadership and service of the Northwoods United Methodist Church Outreach team

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And the service of the Northwest United Methodist Church Outreach team embodied the values of welcoming week by encouraging individuals to create meaningful relationships, embrace their neighbors, and work together across cultural and social differences.

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The values that align with this year's theme encourage to connect and building a stronger and more welcoming door of all for all.

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Now, therefore, be it resolved that I, Joseph Geierman, mayor of the City of Doraville,

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on behalf of the Doraville City Council, hereby recognize and commend Reverend Winston

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Whirl and the Northwoods United Methodist Church Outreach team for their dedicated service,

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compassionate leadership and commitment to fostering a welcoming and inclusive community

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and celebration of the 2026 welcoming week.

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Reverend, thank you.

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And so we'd like to give you an opportunity to speak now since you couldn't speak over

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the weekend. Thank you very much. I want to thank our mayor and our city council for this

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honor and it's indeed a privilege to be a part of the community here in Dorville and to work

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with so many leaders and to be involved in caring ministries. We know that so many people right now

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are hurting, so many families are hurting and so many have lost benefits and we are small

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congregation but we are trying to do our part to help to serve others, care for others

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and to provide various opportunities.

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Our next community event is going to be on Saturday October 3rd, where we are going to have

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of a dinner for deserving families.

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And if you know families who are really in need,

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please get in touch with us.

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Let us know that we are going to try to give gifts cards

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and also any ways that we can support.

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So thank you very much indeed for this opportunity

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and the best wishes, thank you very much.

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All right, well thank you everyone for that.

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We're going to take like a two minute break

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in case anyone wants to leave before we start the rest of the meeting, but you're all welcome to stay

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as if you want to. So we'll get started again about 12-6-5-14.

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The meeting back to order. And it is time for public comments. I'd like to invite any speakers wishing to make public comment to come up to the podium. You can have up to three minutes to speak on a topic of your choosing. Anyone standing? Welcome to come on out.

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All right,

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who let me in here?

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Can you hear me, Mayor and Council,

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came here tonight to talk about the whole flock thing.

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And I know you're not doing a debate about that tonight

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and I thought it was a better time to come speak.

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And I voted yes for this back in 2020.

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And excuse me, at that time, it was presented to us

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as a very different system than it is today.

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It was gonna be used for tracking down stolen cars,

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people, because they're kidnapped and it wasn't being like active video tracking people.

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And I think my problem is, not the cameras, but like the back end data processing that's

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being done.

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And at that time, nobody foresee like AI being used to like facial recognition and all that

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kind of stuff that's now become commonplace, being used with this data.

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And 100% trust our police department

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from being able to have use of these cameras

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to like monitor our parks and make sure they're safe.

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And, you know, looking for evidence for crimes.

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And there was an example of like a hit and run

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on the access road.

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And they use the fly cameras to track that guy down.

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And that's the kind of stuff it should be used for.

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And not my job now is your job to figure out

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how to protect the data and to make sure it's not being used

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in the wrong way.

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And again, I feel like we had good intentions and there's still good uses for these cameras.

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But I think they're getting used in a way that was never intended and hopefully y'all

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can figure out a way whether it's through the ACLU policies or with a renewed EIMOU

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with flock or a different company to make sure this data is not being used to the detriment

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of the community.

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And I also want to say I'm excited, still excited about the project that the

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assembly doorbell CID is going to have for the pedestrian improvements up on

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Peachtree Road across from or near the Porsche dealer.

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I think that's an important project for the city to-

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Participate in. Thank you. Okay. Next.

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Yeah, but I'd like to do everyone in the chamber first.

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The busy night. Okay. First of all, I'm going to say something that I've said privately, but I need to do this publicly on how the police, I'd like to thank the police department. Chuck, who is the police chief at the time, Sergeant Mike Clayton in my neighbor, Mike,

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And two years ago, I came back from the hospital.

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I was in septic shock.

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Fun was dead.

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I was lying.

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Nobody showed up for five days.

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And the doorbell police department saved my life.

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And the life of my two Belgian melancholy dogs.

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They took me to the hospital at St. Joe's.

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I was intensive care for eight months in septic shock.

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And if it weren't for those three people, I wouldn't be here today.

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I was in a wheelchair, my hearing was gone, it was a bad situation.

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So Chuck, you and your guys are three is why I'm here today, and I'd like to thank them.

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Next thing is the finances.

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How do you cycle park, $26 million in 70 grand for trash cans and all the rest of the parks

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in the city?

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We have this finance thing where we have $25 million budget, which somehow over the last

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10 years have gone from $11 million to $25 million, we're spending $900,000 in the finance

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department.

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Well, $500,000 in human resources where the city clerk needs to handle that job.

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You have to understand the whole city was run by seven people and that's 70 people like

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it is today.

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and that doesn't include the 20 or 30 subcontractors.

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So the budget, like everybody thinks that

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the city got in trouble financially

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because GM closed, it had nothing to do with it.

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The city went on a spending spree for three years,

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start bouncing checks,

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Georgia power, cut the power off the city hall,

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is because they spent the money.

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That actual income during that period of time

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one up $300,000 a year because doubling of tanker fuse, gasoline sales, new buildings coming online.

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So the city bases its budget on false information.

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And this is another case where the city now is becoming dependent on grantees and grant money.

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And fines and forfeitures, that battle thing we went to court with about five years ago, we got sued.

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and it has a city hall that's got too many employees

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and they're not in the right locations and positions.

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You've got six code enforcement

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when you should have three, one for each district.

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You should have one, maybe an assistant planner,

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but you need to have a building official in a city hall

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and you need to have building inspectors.

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That's just one aspect of this budget.

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It's totally out of control.

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I'm trying to build a garage and the state of Georgia passed a house bill to save all these people when they're building stuff on their property

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to save from these fees from these local governments.

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The first thing Dorville did and the consent agenda changed that so they could quadriple the fees for the deal.

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So my construction project from $172 to $820 totally guessed what the state of Georgia had passed.

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This government needs to be reorganized so the city hall has a number of employees in positions that do the job and cut this budget at least 20%.

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Thank you.

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All right. Can you guys hear me?

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Can you hear me one more time?

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Oh, yes. Okay. Cool. I'm sorry about that.

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Good evening. Mayor and council members. I'm here tonight to talk about the budget specifically about flock.

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I reviewed the published police department budget for this vote.

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Block does not appear on it, not by name, not as a single line item, not as a subcategory.

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A contract with a private venture backed surveillance company operating a nationwide data platform is somewhere inside that $9.42 million total.

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But residents cannot see where and they-

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I can't see how much. The closest candidate appears to be a technical line, which jumped from $517,000 to about $748,000 this year. It's about a $230,000 increase. I don't know if that's flocked though, and neither do the residents of the city, and obviously that's an issue. I'm not asking you to end the flock contract tonight. I'm asking you to carve it out, and I think Mayor Garamon mentioned that on our last meeting, but separate it from the bundled budget and hold it as its own line item with its own public debate.

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Once this council is fully seated a vote you can't see is a vote you cannot debate a contract with the with the company

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Generating this much scrutiny deserves its own vote from a fully seated council

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There's currently an open seat obviously in this body and those residents don't have a voice incidents decision

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On a routine matter. It's unfortunate on a decision about ongoing mass surveillance of every driver in the city

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It's not acceptable. So my ask is narrow and it's

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procedure. Before tonight's vote disclose how much of this money is in this budget, it's

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actually going to flock in which geo line it sits within. Carve that amount out on

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tonight's vote and approve the rest of the police budget so that our officers are fully

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funded without delay. Schedule a separate vote on flock once the council is fully seated.

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So those are my asks pretty simple straightforward. This is not an anti-police ask at all. Our

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officers should be fully funded tonight without hesitation. This is just a pro-transparency

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pro-democracy ask, residents deserve to know how much of their tax dollars and what they're

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buying. They deserve to see it on a page in front of them, not hidden inside any sort

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of general category. And they deserve a full council when the decision about surveillance

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is actually made. So please carve it out and please let this decision get the sunlight it deserves.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. And for the record, I believe that was Brian Kaiser who lives on Addison.

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You just couldn't hear him.

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Sorry about that.

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That's good. All right.

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I think that's everyone. He's got there. No, there's one more hand raised. If we can

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Bring her over Kristen, it looks like. Yes, good evening. Can you confirm that you can hear me? Yes. Can you hear me? Okay. I can't. I can't. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and Council members. My name is Carsten White, and I serve as the real estate manager for

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Kendra Morgan, who owns and operates

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Terminal Facilities Veridoregiel.

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And I want to thank you for the opportunity

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to speak this evening, specifically as it pertains

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to the city's 2026, 2046 comprehensive plan

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and the treatment of a parcel that we recently subdivided,

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which is a 2.96 acre parcel located adjacent

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to our Taint Farm Bear on New Patriot Road.

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I would like to draw your attention

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to the exclusion of this parcel from the newly established

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Tate Farm specialty district and respectfully urge

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that you reconsider that decision.

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And doing so, I ask that you consider the property's

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proximity to the active terminal operations,

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the petroleum and pipeline infrastructure located on

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and adjacent to that parcel.

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And it's a normal standing row within the border

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of the industrial framework of new peace tree road,

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especially as it concerns the tank farm specialty district that was established by the City Council

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pursuant to Resolution 2023-37. The proposed comprehensive plan places this industrial property

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within the Buhigh Cultural Accordor which is an area that's envisioned for mixed use commercial

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and multi-family development and we respectfully disagree with the placement of this property within

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neck corridor. The subject property, it does not share the characteristics of a mixed

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use corridor, nor is it likely to do so for the foreseeable future. It's surrounded

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by industrial facilities, petroleum storage, infrastructure, active pipeline systems remained

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on this subdivided parcel. If you go out and you'll see the pipeline markers and the infrastructure

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there. Their operational constraints associated with this warehouse and these conditions fundamentally

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distinguished aside from the cultural corridor that is neighboring properties and the uses of this

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property will support a land use that recognizes and preserves the industrial character of the property.

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The city's creation of the tank on specialty district acknowledges the unique operational

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land use and infrastructure characteristics along this portion of New Peas Creek Road.

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And we ask that, you know, you reconsider the placement, the exclusion of this property

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within that.

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Additionally, I would ask that the record reflect that based on the engagement materials

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And mapping included in the comprehensive plan. And the steering committee notes that this property appeared to have been included within the tank farm district during the planning process. But it was subsequently removed prior to the publication in July 2026. And so I ask that you respectfully review that change and reinstate the parcel within the tank farm specialty district. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you.

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Okay. Those are all the hands I see raised. No one else is in the chambers. We're going to close the public comment portion of the meeting and move to the special report from the Shambley door of LC ID.

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Matt, I guess you're the presenter.

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Did you say there is a change slide

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to point at you?

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Okay.

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Good evening, Council Mayor. Thank you all for having us again here this year to

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give our update and tell you a little bit about what the CID has been up to over the

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course of the past year. For those in the room that aren't aware, my name is Matthew

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Oppenheimer. I am president of Halpern Enterprises, but I'm here tonight in my capacity as the

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Secretary and Treasurer of the Shambly Doorville CID. Before I get started, I did want

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I want to talk about alignment and appreciation.

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We, I would be remiss if I didn't start this conversation by just saying that we are really grateful for the relationship that we have with all of you here at the city on the day I said, but council and staff as well, we can't do what we want to do without you all.

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and we really appreciate your input, your time, your energy, and the collaboration that

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we've had over the last six years as a CID. As it says on the slide here, when we are

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aligned and working together, I added that, our impact multiplies. So thank you.

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A little

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You can see on the screen there, the CID encompasses on the West Petri Boulevard on the east view for highway and everything in between, but it's not actually everything within that map area.

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The blue, I'll call it blue parcels there, represent those commercially eligible properties that are in the CID.

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Today we have 165 participating parcels across 113 property owners.

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and through those parcels, we generate $1.3 million in annual revenue.

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The green parcels represent commercially eligible parcels that are not a part of the CID.

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We hope one day that many of them will join, but to date they are not.

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And then the gray parcels are ineligible properties, many of which, most of which are residential, but also public utility properties, etc., are not able to be part of the CID.

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Our work program as it's evolved over the last six years really has there's been

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several major themes that have sort of risen to the surface our biggest

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project which I'll talk about a little bit is intersection realignment but

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other intersections we're looking at as well sidewalk infill and multi-use

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trails roadway and multi-modal extensions and then public safety

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collaboration. All told, everything that's on our radar, everything that we're either leading

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ourselves or working with our city partners on is a total of $52 million worth of work.

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To date, the CID has committed $2.4 million of our own resources to these projects. And

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through those commitments, have been able to leverage federal and state dollars. And in

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cases local matched dollars as well to help fund those projects.

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The vast majority of those funds have come through the Atlanta Regional Commission.

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And as you can see on the pie chart there, that all leaves us with still quite a bit yet to be funded.

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We are not panicking, we know these projects take time, many years, and

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many rounds of applying for additional phases of funding and

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different buckets of funding through the federal and state government and we are confident.

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With our fearless leader, Malika Rivers, our executive director here in the room, that we will be able to track down the dollars to bring these projects to fruition. Let's talk about some wins in 2026, things move slow in this world, but we are making progress on our different projects. Our biggest project, our highest priority project, is an intersection realignment, Steffi alluded to it, and thank you, Steffi, for the shout out.

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there. At Peachtree Boulevard, Peachtree Road, and North

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Showford, the intersection just south of Motors Industrial, we are, we have

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been working almost since our formation to do a major realignment of that

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intersection, changing the angles, reducing the number of roads that are

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intersecting, and it has been a long, but very intentional and methodical process.

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Yes, in 2026 we did complete 30% design.

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We were awarded an additional round of ARC funding for $834,000.

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Part of that funding was a local match commitment from us as a CID, but also I was here earlier

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this year and I want to say thank you again to all of you for commitments from both Dorville

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and Chambley to go towards the local match for that round of funding.

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And then actually at our board meeting this past month, we approved an additional $257,800

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and local match funding to allow us to apply for the remaining balance of right away

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and final design total of $1.2 million.

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So with all of that, we hope to begin 60% design this fall and keep trucking along on what

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is our biggest project here.

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Next on the list is Schalford Road.

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This is a project that nobody in the room needs me to educate them about, but

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this is something being spearheaded by the city of Doraville.

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It's a project that in the early stages we came in to contribute a portion of

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the local match to be able to award at ARC funds for.

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or in 2026, I believe we are underway or will shortly be underway with the 60% design.

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Austin is nodding over there and awarded the ARC funding to complete the final design.

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This to me as discussed in previous meetings is represents a great opportunity for future collaboration between the CID and the city and really both cities.

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It's a project like the first project that sits on the border of both cities.

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And I think we can bring to the table our dollars, but

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also trying to bring everybody to the table on both initiatives.

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Another project, again, Dorville-led project is the realignment of the intersection at Chestnut and

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Beaufort Highway.

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This was another one where we contributed a portion of the local match towards.

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words, and this year we're able to get to the 30% design through the concept phase and a lot of hard work.

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I think notably Austin on both of these projects, among many other things.

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But then able to be awarded the Congressional Directed Spending for

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the funds for this project.

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This again represents another one that we see as an opportunity for

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future collaboration with the city, both in terms of time and dollars, and hopefully bringing

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people to the table.

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Another initiative of the CID this year that we have made some headway on is a public safety

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initiative, something really that's been spearheaded by Vince Regio on our board.

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What this really ultimately culminated in was engaging a consultant to speak with stakeholders

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members throughout Shambley and Dorville both inside and outside of the CID area.

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Create an assessment of ways we could be doing things better, opportunities, opportunities

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for collaboration.

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There's still a lot of work to be done, but I think it's a good first part of the conversation.

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And our next step there is to try and convene a group of the key stakeholders involved in the

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fall and talk about what the next steps can be.

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Beyond some of these, I'll just rattle off these really quickly.

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Other things we've been working on over the course of the year.

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We've been looking at an extension of tarot drive that would take it from assembly to

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P. Shree Boulevard, still very early stages on that.

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Participated on yet another door of a lead project of the safety assessment,

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Safe streets for all, is that correct?

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And so that resulted in a report with lots of recommendations, I'll come back to that in just a minute, but excited to have that closed out, or at least the report itself. On the shambly side of the map, we completed our phase one of our sidewalk infill. Actually, I think fully close out of that last year and have since been hard at work on the design of phase two that will essentially go all the way up close

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to where our big intersection realignment is, not quite there, we're still in the design phase

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there and have worked to do to figure out how to get it funded and phased and implemented.

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Another project on our radar is the Shanley Tucker and Schalford Road realignment. That's really the

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triangle that both of those roads also come into Buford Highway. Nothing moving all that quickly there,

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but it's something on our radar for the future, particularly as things happen along the Buford Highway

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corridor. And then the CID also is keeping a close eye on the managed lanes on 285 and

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wanting to make sure that CID and its stakeholders alongside both cities, I'm sure, have a voice

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in how that final design comes together. Something I'm excited to talk about, we had a work session

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over the summer, we do it every year to try and talk about ideas, new things that we should be

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exploring as a CID that was built on conversations, one-on-one that we had even prior to the work session.

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But, you know, meetings, I was fortunate enough to be able to meet with Mayor Garmin and Austin

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and Chuck, thank you all for your time and for the ideas that we're shared.

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And so we were able to bring all that together.

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Another and one of the big takeaways from the work session is that there are a number of different opportunities for

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winds within our corridor and the two cities.

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As we talked about it, there's opportunities for quick, tangible, visible improvements that change things on a more immediate basis as opposed to a project,

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projects, like our biggest project that will probably take 10 total years before anybody

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sees anything on the ground.

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Things that we identified in those conversations and with the help of Malika and Cherston,

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our program coordinator, things like broken street lights, pet lights, medians, and pedestrian

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Adrian Islands, landscaping, planning, sidewalk infill, public art, broad bucket of areas of improvement and something that we have not yet formally voted on and approved as a board but that we're, I think there's a lot of enthusiasm behind is piloting a program where we would set aside a certain amount of funds that we would allocate to each of the cities for the cities to,

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to be able to use those funds towards these efforts, these projects.

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I think what came out of the conversation is several of the things that were on our list are also on the city list.

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Cities list, excuse me, the cities are much more well equipped to tackle some of these issues and

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have them in the pipeline, but funding may be something that is limiting how and

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when they can happen, and our goal is to collaborate with the cities and provide the funding

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to help accelerate when some of these improvements can show up on the ground and in the communities.

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So more to come on that, but we think it's a really exciting opportunity to be able to

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even work more with all of you and be able to see the results of our hard work.

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So with that, I'm going to end the presentation by saying thank you again, you know, we just feel incredibly grateful for the relationship we have with you all here at the city.

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We know we still have quite a bit yet still to accomplish, but there's been a lot done thus far and we're eager to work with you all together to get it all done.

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Thank you very much for that presentation.

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Let's go ahead and see what questions, if any, our council has.

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Why don't we start with council member Ray.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you, Matt, for this presentation. Really interesting.

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Just a few questions.

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The largest project that intersection redesign.

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I know we put in money.

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I believe I remember the outcome of this, but did the pedestrian bridge get included in those 60% design plans?

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Yes. Okay. Awesome.

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Sorry. Outside of that, you mentioned the express lanes, keeping kind of a tab on that. I know G dot is going to kind of do what they want to do. But have you had any productive conversations with them on that? Do you feel that we're going to get to have some public input on those the location of those interest lanes when they come about? This might not be the last time I do this, but I'm going to call upon, I'm going to phone a friend here. I'm going to ask Malika if you have any

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input on that but yeah.

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haven't had recent conversations this year specifically about the express lanes, however

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part of the federal process

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so that it will all be on the agenda process.

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I don't know what their schedule is though.

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Okay, thank you.

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The last question I had, it's also somewhat g-dog related but at the GMA annual conference

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this year I, one of the courses I got to take was around public infrastructure, transportation

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implementation projects, it was run primarily by GDOT, really focused more on roads and such, but part of it there was a presentation from the Swanee City Manager and they were successful in doing effectively a road diet redesign of Puford Highway running through their city.

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It slowed the cars down, there was a lot of pedestrian infrastructure added, so on and so forth.

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I approached Jeat out about that at that meeting and they were basically like any term, like road diet or reducing traffic, congested and all of that is just going to be a non starter.

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So I went back to the city plan where the city manager was wanting and asked kind of the approach they took.

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And he said what started it was they kind of just had to fund a very extensive engineering plan of what like what the traffic study would look like, how it would affect, you know, downflow, upflow a traffic.

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So really, this is just kind of a suggestion to consider for larger projects, is I think if the CID could work with

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Chambley and Dorville to maybe fund something along those lines to start the conversation of creating Beavert Highway into more of a pedestrian-friendly

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city-focused type of roadway rather than what it is currently, that's a project that would very much

424
00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:28,840
interest me long-term. It's one that I think would take 10, 15, 20 years to get done, which is why I just

425
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,060
I just wanted to bring it up now as you guys continue to grow and look at potential opportunities.

426
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,720
That seems like one that would benefit both cities pretty heavily, so thank you.

427
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,500
Thank you, Council Member Evans.

428
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,740
Thank you both for being here, really appreciate it.

429
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:53,580
And grateful to hear that you all have the conversation with Mayor and our chief city manager regarding

430
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,360
infield of sidewalks and things of that nature.

431
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:05,980
And one that I brought up before, and I would love to know if it's part of that conversation, is the sidewalk on Peachtree road right outside of the Lexus dealership and the

432
00:58:08,220 --> 00:58:18,400
Peachtree Pavilion at the Super H Mark Center. There's a gap there that doesn't have a sidewalk. Lexus has one on the side, but starting at the Pavilion leading towards

433
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:23,480
for Randa there's not a sidewalk and I often see people walking in the street and I know

434
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:28,280
Shambley has some development that'll be soon happening across the road from there and with

435
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:33,840
the 60% that you're going for with all the new development happening across the street from there

436
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:39,320
behind the Porsche dealership leading towards assembly that's in the near future going to be a lot

437
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:44,620
more traffic there. So wasn't sure if that was part of the conversation but wanted to advocate for it to be so.

438
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:54,240
A couple of responses at one, I don't know if the phase two sidewalk design would go up

439
00:58:54,240 --> 00:59:00,840
that far north, but I do tend to think that our big intersection project might touch

440
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,580
what you're talking about, and that I think in conjunction with all of that work, I would

441
00:59:05,580 --> 00:59:12,300
assume new sidewalks would be part of it, but happy to look at that, excuse me, with

442
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:16,960
Thank you offline and just make sure I understand exactly the stretch that you're talking about.

443
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:20,380
Hey, Albert, can you pull that up on their map?

444
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:27,420
It was actually, well, it mentioned it, but it didn't really show.

445
00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:29,140
But yes, we can talk.

446
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:30,000
Yeah, I was lying.

447
00:59:30,580 --> 00:59:31,060
Right, thank you.

448
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,560
All right, thank you, Councilmember Simmons.

449
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:36,780
Thank you, Mayor.

450
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,280
Matt, thanks for the presentation report.

451
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:45,120
don't have really many questions because I joined those meetings and I'm always

452
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,560
informed and probably should do a better job informant council sometimes makes

453
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:56,760
me think so my bad guys. I did want to bring up that council member Evans

454
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,920
brought up impact fees last meeting last week and we're

455
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:23,220
We're looking into that regarding what was brought up in the meeting of, you know, people that building developments and all should pitch in sort of what Vince was talking about. So we did bring that up last week and we're talking about that so you can go back to the CID board and tell them that is in our talks right now. Don't know how it's going to go, but it was brought up and we're aware of it. So we're sort of on the same page.

456
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:31,560
I'm glad you brought up the program that you guys brought up last meeting about the low

457
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,480
hanging fruit and funding and you know I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to say

458
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,820
something during this meeting but since you brought up I think that's a great idea.

459
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:43,000
As I said at the CID board meeting if you present the city with money we'll definitely spend

460
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,200
it so thank you.

461
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:52,360
And then my other comment was really just for the 285 express lanes I say it's sort of

462
01:00:52,360 --> 01:01:05,220
every meeting or every other, and I know Josh was talking about it, that anytime you guys can have input in that with G-DOT or anyone, just keep stressing, you know, Flowers Road is not a place to have an egress or

463
01:01:05,220 --> 01:01:16,340
ingress for that express lane, you know, where they're trying to dump that. I mean, of course it's up to the developer and I think they're going through that and they

464
01:01:16,340 --> 01:01:18,520
Yeah, it was RFP was out on them.

465
01:01:18,580 --> 01:01:20,600
No, if they picked a developer yet or not, I can't remember.

466
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:21,680
Yeah, happy.

467
01:01:21,860 --> 01:01:23,000
Okay, thank you.

468
01:01:23,220 --> 01:01:25,020
But when they do, they'll decide and I mean,

469
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,360
it makes business sense to put it on PIB or whatever it's called now

470
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,140
and view for highway, you know?

471
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,280
So, but yeah, any time you guys can just say door bill does not

472
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,140
want it there and just would not fit.

473
01:01:39,620 --> 01:01:43,400
So, make bumper stickers, yeah, for real.

474
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:50,180
And then I actually do have a question up and down in Chambley where they are doing all the work along the sidewalk where this

475
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:51,980
Walgreens is and

476
01:01:52,660 --> 01:01:59,720
The old car wash and all that is the sidewalk project CIDs be doing or is that something through the county and stormwater and all that?

477
01:02:00,020 --> 01:02:01,520
So the county has a multi

478
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:06,460
the main

479
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:11,310
that construction is likely

480
01:02:13,740 --> 01:02:17,120
Okay, good. I just want to make on record. It's the county and that's the ID and

481
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:27,540
And then back to that low-hanging fruit is, I know the family was trying to get more funding than Doraville, but we're equal cities, don't forget.

482
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:29,020
Thank you.

483
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:30,660
Thank you.

484
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:31,880
Councilmember Henshaw.

485
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:33,120
Yeah, thanks, guys.

486
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:40,640
Sorry, I've been absent. I've been rather busy with work lately, and I need to make some more time to go back into the CID swing of things.

487
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:49,120
Yeah, I mean, I had spoken with Vince about the family and Dorville and potentially even Brookhaven working together months ago about that.

488
01:02:49,220 --> 01:02:50,200
So thank you for bringing that back up.

489
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:58,880
Thank you for discovering that Swanee had somehow found a magic word or a phrase or maybe they have a wand that they can use to re-work to be for highway.

490
01:02:59,140 --> 01:03:04,820
So I mean, that's, again, I'm going to be long gone before that's done, but it's worth exploring.

491
01:03:04,820 --> 01:03:10,740
And if you guys wind up being the coordinating lead on that, and that's fantastic, no pressure.

492
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,700
And then I wanted to address a public comment that actually ties into this.

493
01:03:14,980 --> 01:03:21,020
There was a comment earlier that the city is relying on grants for our budget.

494
01:03:21,340 --> 01:03:27,860
And it's not that we rely on grants, it's that we leverage grants to stretch tax dollars further.

495
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,640
And the CID is very good at that.

496
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:36,500
that, and Doraville has gotten to be very good at that, and so when we're spending $0.20

497
01:03:36,500 --> 01:03:42,380
on the dollar, instead of $0.00 on the dollar, to do these projects, those are massive

498
01:03:42,380 --> 01:03:48,220
wins for the city, and whether they're spearheaded by Doraville or Shambley or the CID, that's

499
01:03:48,220 --> 01:03:49,600
just effective use of tax dollars.

500
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:55,340
So I really appreciate you guys being able to leverage the way you do, and I don't know if

501
01:03:55,340 --> 01:04:24,400
People really understand what a CID is, but it's a voluntary tax that you pay to the CID who then take your money and then turn around and try to leverage that money and I can't remember, I mean I know you guys it's like a 25 to 1 ratio or I don't remember exactly what it is but for every dollar you raise you effectively contribute back to the city a certain cities a certain amount of money and it's an impressive number so thank you for that and please don't be afraid of the grants. They're very, very effective tools for our cities. Thanks.

502
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,240
Thank you, Council Member Nathir.

503
01:04:28,790 --> 01:04:35,770
My question is that so the bridge is approved on P3 all over the right,

504
01:04:38,030 --> 01:04:39,670
the pedestrian bridge.

505
01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:44,970
So the 30% design has been complete, that is called the concept report.

506
01:04:44,970 --> 01:04:45,650
It's been approved.

507
01:04:45,850 --> 01:04:52,450
Now the project goes into 60% and the design actually starts and G dot and the team will be looking

508
01:04:52,450 --> 01:04:59,970
it ways to make it cost effective as well as hit all of the needs that we're trying to

509
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,700
In terms of operational safety, traffic, low, et cetera. And how much be our city take on that project? I think he wants to know how much it will cost. Big big picture. I don't think they're going to know right right now. Right now, the project has is over $20 million. That's inclusive of a 30% contingency. There is an elevated pedestrian bridge component part of the concept.

510
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:47,440
where that leads now that the project's going into 60 percent design, we will see what the engineers and the designers do, and the refinement of the cost, but right now, based on the preliminary cost estimates, that elevated bridge structure is about a $10 million.

511
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:48,280
that

512
01:05:50,580 --> 01:06:01,240
to Mayor Garmin's point, too early to know for all of us local funders of a project

513
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:06,280
like that, and all of the ways that different ways that the funding could come together

514
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:16,140
as this project evolves, but to Councilman Henshaw's point, our goal is to create the maximum

515
01:06:16,140 --> 01:06:19,120
some leverage possible on a project like this.

516
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:25,380
In other words, minimizing to the extent possible the local contribution,

517
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:32,620
obviously within the bounds of what is doable, but really maximizing the bigger buckets of money,

518
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,560
the federal dollars that are out there to make these things happen.

519
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:46,490
Thank you, and I also have a wish to, I think I wanted to see a same exact pedestrian bridge

520
01:06:46,490 --> 01:06:58,850
over a big for highway where our neighborhood will connect somewhere between Park Avenue and Central Avenue or somewhere down that line, so it can connect our neighborhood to the new city hall.

521
01:07:00,210 --> 01:07:05,510
And then there's a marty station, so it will be a great place to put it.

522
01:07:06,430 --> 01:07:15,850
I don't think our city have enough money to contribute by something you guys can think about.

523
01:07:15,850 --> 01:07:18,830
I think I'm going to talk also about the realignment

524
01:07:18,830 --> 01:07:21,610
that you're working on with us, which we'll hope.

525
01:07:22,110 --> 01:07:27,490
Yes, yes, at Chestnut and Beaufort Highway there,

526
01:07:27,610 --> 01:07:30,090
that it is a challenge.

527
01:07:30,510 --> 01:07:33,290
And I think that that project does represent an opportunity

528
01:07:33,290 --> 01:07:34,770
to improve connectivity.

529
01:07:36,590 --> 01:07:39,230
But yeah, no, I hear you.

530
01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:45,290
And the CID is something that will be here long past

531
01:07:45,290 --> 01:07:49,630
when I'm gone and so it's going to have many, many years to pursue all different kinds of projects.

532
01:07:50,310 --> 01:07:59,450
We had a lot of utility on before highway for safer patches, safer way to connect our city and

533
01:07:59,450 --> 01:08:02,130
residents can walk through that before highway.

534
01:08:02,990 --> 01:08:09,730
That would be a bridge, it would be a better choice but I appreciated your input, whatever you guys can do.

535
01:08:09,730 --> 01:08:19,810
Thank you both for coming. We appreciate it and look forward to all the things the CID is going to accomplish in 2027.

536
01:08:20,210 --> 01:08:20,910
Thank you.

537
01:08:22,440 --> 01:08:33,160
All right. Next we have our finance director, China Agu, with the second public hearing for the fiscal year 27 budget presentation.

538
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:34,260
Good

539
01:08:38,710 --> 01:08:40,130
afternoon, Mayor and Council.

540
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:45,810
I'm presenting today the 2027 Physically Year Budget is starting.

541
01:08:46,690 --> 01:08:51,470
And again, just thanks to everybody that helped me put this together over the time period.

542
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:53,590
Just a couple of highlights.

543
01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:58,990
The budget was created on the nine meals and it created additional $1.2 million in revenue.

544
01:08:59,410 --> 01:09:03,750
A lot of that money went to sidewalks, pool fund and park maintenance.

545
01:09:03,750 --> 01:09:07,810
There is a 2% average merit increase for employees.

546
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:12,910
The max is at 3%, it includes the creation of two new departments,

547
01:09:13,530 --> 01:09:17,010
an economic development department, which will include an economic development director,

548
01:09:17,230 --> 01:09:20,610
as well as the business and community engagement person.

549
01:09:21,250 --> 01:09:27,630
We also created a government buildings department, that's just me tracking our spending better.

550
01:09:27,670 --> 01:09:32,030
When it comes to maintenance of all the buildings across the city, a little bit better,

551
01:09:32,030 --> 01:09:33,590
and the utilities and what we're spending.

552
01:09:34,310 --> 01:09:37,050
We do have four new employees in this budget.

553
01:09:37,650 --> 01:09:39,410
It is the Economic Development Director,

554
01:09:39,870 --> 01:09:42,970
the library specialist, a GIS stormwater specialist,

555
01:09:43,210 --> 01:09:45,670
and then a receptionist for when we move into the new building,

556
01:09:45,670 --> 01:09:47,510
so it's only three months of salary.

557
01:09:50,090 --> 01:09:52,750
A few more highlights with the budget.

558
01:09:53,190 --> 01:09:55,630
The fee schedule change, Austin Brott,

559
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:57,290
to you guys a couple of months ago,

560
01:09:57,890 --> 01:09:59,890
about the retaining wall.

561
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:29,620
File fees and the demolition fees. There is a change for it to be proposed at one to two family dwelling for $2 per linear square foot. And for, I'm sorry, that is the retaining walls will be, yes, that's correct. One in two families, single family dwelling, $2 per square foot. And all of the developments will be at $6 per linear foot. And it will bring the cost down drastically.

562
01:10:29,620 --> 01:10:34,920
for an example of a 66 foot wall, retaining wall.

563
01:10:35,220 --> 01:10:40,400
The current price is $1,320, and the new cost will be only $132.

564
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:51,260
For all other developments, for example, $369 foot wall was currently at cost $11,000.

565
01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:54,700
And the new cost will be a little over 2000.

566
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,840
The demolition fees is also being decreased.

567
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,720
Right now, it's just a $500 flat fee.

568
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:07,620
He's proposed that it be for one and two single family dwelling from $1 per linear square foot.

569
01:11:08,140 --> 01:11:15,020
And the $500 max and all other developments would be a dollar per square foot with $1,000 max.

570
01:11:17,670 --> 01:11:20,930
There is five funding types inside the budget.

571
01:11:21,050 --> 01:11:24,790
The general fund special revenue capital debt and proprietary funds.

572
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:30,810
the largest fund this year and will be for the next couple of years is our capital budget based off our city center.

573
01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:38,210
The next would be the general fund and the third would be proprietary fund, which would include our storm water and sanitation.

574
01:11:42,170 --> 01:11:46,210
And here's just a year by year comparison from 2026 to 2027.

575
01:11:47,410 --> 01:11:54,890
General fund has the increase of 7%, which most of that is contributed to keeping the mill is rate the same at nine mills.

576
01:11:54,890 --> 01:12:12,470
A lot of other funds you see drastic decreases are increases because the city center as we spend the money the money is going down and then any increases that you see is also due to the city center using fund balance for like the street funds to assist with landscaping at the city center.

577
01:12:14,940 --> 01:12:25,320
Here is our 2027 Capitol, the police vehicles at over 350,000 that would give us 3, 4 boosts and

578
01:12:25,940 --> 01:12:34,360
one dashed deringo for a K9, a city-wide scanning project, which will allow us to cut all our records that from courts,

579
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:44,240
community development, and the city clerk's office to all be scanned into a city, into a device where it can all be searchable.

580
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,720
We also have park upgrades.

581
01:12:47,300 --> 01:12:50,800
Each park this year will get some type of upgrade or some type of equipment.

582
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:56,500
We have chick-a-pea with the walking trails and railings, new equipment,

583
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:01,920
Brookie English Park, getting equipment, autumn, gets upgrades to bench and trash cans,

584
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:08,340
how pern, get a hopefully we can get a full basketball court if it allows with the erosion control.

585
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,560
And then honey suckle, we did add in the field house.

586
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,080
and then also money put aside for the pool.

587
01:13:15,940 --> 01:13:21,480
The two vehicles in the budget this year are the Parks Van and the Public Works Replacement Vehicle.

588
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:28,640
Our budget committee is wanted to say that they want EV going forward for

589
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:33,620
administration vehicles anywhere we can when we do buy vehicles that they be electric.

590
01:13:36,220 --> 01:13:39,100
This next slide is more of our capital.

591
01:13:39,100 --> 01:13:43,260
And this is a lot of the projects that the CIG just talked about.

592
01:13:43,620 --> 01:13:50,240
All of these projects have a 80% grant match, which means the city only pays 20% of this.

593
01:13:50,780 --> 01:13:56,480
The first four of these projects are actually in the preliminary engineering stage.

594
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:03,980
The only project that is actually going to be start construction this year is Phase 2A, the Peachtree Greenway.

595
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,980
And here's just a map of what all those projects look like.

596
01:14:09,980 --> 01:14:29,820
Again, the Budget Committee really wanted to stress that we're making sure that all the projects that we're doing are important to downtown, which is the black and white line area, and you'll see that all the projects are important towards that area and just trying to create mobility, increased mobility around the city.

597
01:14:29,820 --> 01:14:38,940
We have a stormwater project at 1.3 million and then the capital payment projects.

598
01:14:39,180 --> 01:14:43,240
These projects as a list is also on the city's website.

599
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:49,240
Another thing that the committee wanted to stress is that we do additional sidewalks when

600
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:50,800
we do all these paving.

601
01:14:51,340 --> 01:14:58,560
So we're trying to leverage like amending our engineering to put additional sidewalks

602
01:14:58,560 --> 01:14:59,980
So this year, we put a...

603
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,600
Additional $425,000 in sidewalks to go along McElroy to Longmeyer. We also have a grapple truck in there. And then we did have leftover money from the SSE tank farm after we did all that paving and we're going to create more sidewalks in that area. And here's my wonderful drawing. Again, of all the mobility projects. And again, the SSE sidewalk project,

604
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:36,420
floor is going to come back to you guys and say what we can actually do with that 1.3 million

605
01:15:36,420 --> 01:15:39,860
because to do all of that would be way more than we thought.

606
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:47,880
All right. Thank you very much. Well, this is public hearing.

607
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:55,540
So, I can tell you, where's the static coming from?

608
01:15:58,860 --> 01:16:00,100
Is that the mic?

609
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:11,720
Okay, so we will invite anyone in the chamber first to come up and give comment.

610
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:15,520
We'll have up to ten minutes to speak for or against.

611
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,240
And we'll also open it up to people who want to raise their hand on Zoom.

612
01:16:20,700 --> 01:16:21,100
I

613
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:25,060
can't see the zoom things.

614
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,340
I'm not seeing a hands raised. No one's coming to the podium.

615
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,340
Going once, going twice.

616
01:16:32,220 --> 01:16:37,920
All right, we're going to close the public hearing and see what questions or comments council has.

617
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,960
And councilmember Henshaw, why don't we start with you?

618
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,640
Sorry, I thought maybe I kicked the cord underneath and that's what was causing the static.

619
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,500
Hopefully that's, I don't know.

620
01:16:51,800 --> 01:17:00,580
No, I mean, there was a public comment about how much we, if there's a separate line item for the flock item.

621
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,940
So I would just ask if you happen to know that off the top of your head.

622
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:10,200
The flock that we spent is $250,000 a year, but in the beginning, a lot of this was grand.

623
01:17:10,620 --> 01:17:12,320
We received money from grants for flock.

624
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:14,960
So the city just recently started spending money.

625
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,080
And so that $250,000 a year is the service plan,

626
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:23,000
whereas a lot of the initial installation came from grants.

627
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:23,560
That's good.

628
01:17:23,580 --> 01:17:25,040
Which was, I think, what, ARPA funds?

629
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:26,320
ARPA funds, yep.

630
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,560
And then the additional funding that the government made for violent.

631
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,880
OK, so if you're listening Brian, that's the answer to your question.

632
01:17:35,260 --> 01:17:37,240
We have some static problems, I don't know.

633
01:17:39,770 --> 01:17:41,210
Is that Mike on over there?

634
01:17:49,530 --> 01:17:50,370
I think it's mine.

635
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:59,670
I'm sorry.

636
01:17:59,670 --> 01:18:00,650
All right.

637
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:03,350
No.

638
01:18:03,610 --> 01:18:03,810
All right.

639
01:18:05,170 --> 01:18:06,430
That was my only question.

640
01:18:06,570 --> 01:18:07,650
I think it's

641
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:10,270
not what I like.

642
01:18:10,610 --> 01:18:12,050
I think it's a great presentation.

643
01:18:13,370 --> 01:18:16,110
I mean, there was a public comment earlier about how we're being inefficient with our money,

644
01:18:16,190 --> 01:18:22,870
but let's face it, from the year 2000, you know, when that person was speaking about versus today, you know,

645
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:27,790
it's a 65% inflation rate, and we've annexed multiple sections of the city.

646
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:32,110
And I think the city is doing a good job of spending tax dollars effectively.

647
01:18:32,110 --> 01:18:37,810
That's what the job of the committee was for and you've been doing a great job here.

648
01:18:38,090 --> 01:18:41,390
So, I believe we've had very clean audits these past few years.

649
01:18:41,770 --> 01:18:49,070
We went through a realignment to move our budget and that was a lot of extra work on you.

650
01:18:49,290 --> 01:18:50,350
So, I applaud you for that.

651
01:18:51,330 --> 01:18:52,950
So, no additional comments on the matter.

652
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:57,310
Are we still on Zoom, like with the all

653
01:19:05,850 --> 01:19:08,910
of this stuff converges right where my feet go.

654
01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:19,790
So, well, I've tried to push it all to see if that was causing the static, but our screens went out.

655
01:19:20,030 --> 01:19:21,050
So hopefully they'll reset.

656
01:19:22,610 --> 01:19:23,490
Councillor Evans.

657
01:19:24,610 --> 01:19:27,470
No, thank you for the second presentation on this.

658
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:28,690
Just one question.

659
01:19:28,910 --> 01:19:33,470
Everything else I think looks pretty good and thank you for addressing the separate line item of locks.

660
01:19:33,470 --> 01:19:46,290
With the scanning projects, digital scanning of all the records, is that 150,000 a one-time fee or so that'll catch us up from everything that's paper-based from years ago?

661
01:19:46,650 --> 01:19:46,810
Right.

662
01:19:47,330 --> 01:19:48,850
And going forward will be.

663
01:19:49,050 --> 01:19:50,990
Everything should be scanned into laser.

664
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:52,110
That's awesome.

665
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:52,950
All right, thank you.

666
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:54,550
Thank you.

667
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:55,950
You, a council member, Nasser?

668
01:19:58,130 --> 01:19:59,390
I have a...

669
01:19:59,390 --> 01:19:59,970
I have a...

670
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:23,920
Only one question about that, that 200 is a 250,000 for the flock, 250,000. Is there any how we can, so that's, that is, without the grant, right? This year we, do we have any grant for that program or? On a reimbursable basis. Okay.

671
01:20:26,230 --> 01:20:31,550
Trying to see if we can, we can take that, take that flock money out.

672
01:20:31,550 --> 01:20:33,070
and approved the rest of the budget.

673
01:20:35,330 --> 01:20:37,670
You can make a motion about that after our discussion.

674
01:20:37,810 --> 01:20:38,770
I feel okay, thank you.

675
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:42,250
Council member Simmons.

676
01:20:44,230 --> 01:20:45,010
Thank you, Mayor.

677
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:47,350
Now, I think great presentation, China.

678
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:48,470
Thank you, you nailed it.

679
01:20:50,050 --> 01:20:54,390
I know, I asked all my questions last time,

680
01:20:54,810 --> 01:20:58,530
but I did mention something about, you know,

681
01:20:58,730 --> 01:21:01,890
a fund for preventative maintenance

682
01:21:01,890 --> 01:21:05,430
It's an offer of buildings going forward and you said it comes out of the general fund.

683
01:21:05,650 --> 01:21:09,090
Yeah, that's where I created the government buildings, the new department.

684
01:21:09,390 --> 01:21:12,990
I put more money in there this year so that we can maintain all of it.

685
01:21:12,990 --> 01:21:14,630
So there's a line item for it.

686
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:15,910
Sweet, okay, good.

687
01:21:16,430 --> 01:21:22,110
Yeah, I just want to make sure, just like, you're doing great and just keep thinking like as we keep acquiring stuff and

688
01:21:22,650 --> 01:21:26,970
stuff comes online and all we just increase that and just do that accordingly.

689
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:28,750
But no, I think that's great, thank you.

690
01:21:32,190 --> 01:21:42,770
Yeah, thank you and thank you for the presentation again asked most of my questions last time as well. One I believe we talked about the field house last time I saw it here.

691
01:21:43,290 --> 01:21:50,810
Did we have quotes already on generally what we think repairing that is going to cost and that's been worked into the budget or did you just kind of take a generous step?

692
01:21:50,810 --> 01:21:58,270
Chris LeFloor had already did some preliminary quote Sony, so I put with he at the highest of what he kind of thought he would cost to get it up to speed.

693
01:21:59,390 --> 01:22:04,270
Okay, awesome. And we're still planning on purchasing our EV next year.

694
01:22:04,570 --> 01:22:08,410
First. The floor is truck will be awesome.

695
01:22:11,020 --> 01:22:21,280
That's great. Yeah. Thanks for highlighting everything. I think the only thing I'll say outside of that is great work with working with Chris on kind of adding sidewalks

696
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:22,860
to our just general repaving standard.

697
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,000
I think that's a great way to start

698
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,620
peace-mealing a lot of connectivity into the city

699
01:22:26,620 --> 01:22:28,420
without having to raise a bunch of taxes

700
01:22:28,420 --> 01:22:29,440
to try to fund all of it.

701
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,180
So I appreciate you working with that

702
01:22:31,180 --> 01:22:34,120
to kind of work us towards our vision of a walkable city.

703
01:22:34,780 --> 01:22:36,080
And yeah, that's it, thank you.

704
01:22:36,340 --> 01:22:38,960
All right, I think that's everybody, any other comment?

705
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:39,580
I do want to go ahead.

706
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,460
I just want to make sure, let's say hypothetically,

707
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,040
we'd have to have the discussion.

708
01:22:45,060 --> 01:22:48,980
But if city council in the end voted to get rid

709
01:22:48,980 --> 01:22:49,800
of flock contracts,

710
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:54,980
We could come back and do a motion to move that money around in the budget.

711
01:22:55,180 --> 01:23:00,980
I know that's like, we want to avoid that typically, but we can re-apportion that money if we decide to go that direction, right?

712
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:02,980
Okay, thank you.

713
01:23:03,380 --> 01:23:14,260
All right, well to avoid trying to make amendments and stuff, do you want to just make the motion to approve the budget with segregating the funds from block and not voting on those right now?

714
01:23:17,490 --> 01:23:20,070
You can say yes, I stated by the mayor.

715
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:23,070
I stood by the mayor, whatever he said.

716
01:23:23,490 --> 01:23:25,470
OK, is there a second for that?

717
01:23:26,570 --> 01:23:27,190
Oh, second.

718
01:23:27,790 --> 01:23:28,930
All right, any discussion?

719
01:23:30,330 --> 01:23:30,530
Go ahead.

720
01:23:31,190 --> 01:23:33,650
When is the flock contract renewal date?

721
01:23:34,010 --> 01:23:34,850
Do we have that information?

722
01:23:35,190 --> 01:23:36,550
I don't have it on hand, but I know

723
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:38,110
that they're on different cycles.

724
01:23:38,930 --> 01:23:40,550
We mean the different cameras that we have.

725
01:23:40,630 --> 01:23:41,770
Yeah, there's multiple contracts.

726
01:23:41,970 --> 01:23:44,450
Do we have any of that information right now?

727
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:45,410
Not right now.

728
01:23:45,690 --> 01:23:47,370
I hesitate to make financial decisions

729
01:23:47,370 --> 01:23:48,690
not knowing the implications of what

730
01:23:48,690 --> 01:23:55,790
that financial decision is, but I am the public record in flavor, flavor of looking for alternatives

731
01:23:55,790 --> 01:24:02,410
to flock, but I'm not willing to take the tools away from our police until we have a better

732
01:24:02,410 --> 01:24:07,170
understanding of what that means for the police department and if we can find replacement tools

733
01:24:07,170 --> 01:24:14,070
that they can use for that. So I'm going to second that one because if we don't have a solution,

734
01:24:14,070 --> 01:24:17,970
I don't want to take it out, Arif, or stuff's going to get canceled if we don't pay it.

735
01:24:18,610 --> 01:24:22,310
Coming up, that was a decision that was made, and is there, and you just take with

736
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:25,390
until we have a solution or cancel it whichever way we go.

737
01:24:25,670 --> 01:24:26,390
That's just my opinion.

738
01:24:26,610 --> 01:24:30,930
I have a clarifying question then, because I was interpreting that as we're just going

739
01:24:30,930 --> 01:24:36,010
to separate it out and when the time comes to have to pay it, we would vote on it when

740
01:24:36,010 --> 01:24:37,570
the time came that we had to pay it.

741
01:24:37,670 --> 01:24:40,530
So we're not saying we're not going to pay it, it's just pulling it out and not saying

742
01:24:40,530 --> 01:24:45,370
It's a de facto thing until we get public input and all of that that's how I was interpreting it

743
01:24:45,370 --> 01:24:51,950
Well, you're saying to pull the $250,000 out of technical budget and just put it to the side for just to I guess I'm not

744
01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:54,330
understanding yeah, it seems semantics

745
01:24:55,630 --> 01:24:59,850
Because we don't have to approve the budget with that full amount in it whether it's allocated

746
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:28,440
To that floc specifically or set aside as a aligned item that could go to floc in the future, we can't not budget for it and change the budget, and then use money from somewhere else to pay floc. So we have to budget accordingly. Okay, so, sorry if I'm being dense. If we just approve the budget as is, we still have a chance at some point to vote on the floc contract and move that money around after if we need to. Okay, then. That's her question. I think that's a yes. I mean, we've got a motion in a second.

747
01:25:28,440 --> 01:25:32,140
and I think it will be pretty apparent how it'll go.

748
01:25:32,260 --> 01:25:35,140
So we've had a lot of discussion for something that's taken a second.

749
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:38,120
All right, Council Member Ray.

750
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:39,100
Yes.

751
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,480
And so this Council Member Simmons.

752
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:43,380
I'm going to know.

753
01:25:43,660 --> 01:25:46,000
Okay, Council Member Nasser.

754
01:25:46,380 --> 01:25:46,580
Yes.

755
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:48,140
Council Member Henshaw.

756
01:25:48,220 --> 01:25:48,320
No.

757
01:25:48,740 --> 01:25:49,380
Council Member Evans.

758
01:25:49,620 --> 01:25:49,720
No.

759
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:50,360
Okay.

760
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:51,720
Would anyone else like to make a motion?

761
01:25:52,020 --> 01:25:54,540
We have a motion to pass the budget as approved.

762
01:25:55,340 --> 01:25:55,700
I second.

763
01:25:55,700 --> 01:25:58,580
I think that we will revisit the flock in the future.

764
01:25:58,940 --> 01:25:59,540
All right, do we have a second?

765
01:25:59,660 --> 01:26:00,120
Yes, second.

766
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:02,620
Councilmember Simmons, any discussion?

767
01:26:03,860 --> 01:26:04,940
All right, I'll call the roll.

768
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:06,500
Councilmember Evans.

769
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:07,960
Councilmember Henshaw.

770
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:09,480
Councilmember Nazar.

771
01:26:14,440 --> 01:26:15,200
Councilmember Ray.

772
01:26:15,620 --> 01:26:15,900
Yes.

773
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:16,800
Councilmember Simmons.

774
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:17,300
Yes.

775
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:18,320
Councilmember Nazar.

776
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:22,640
Yes.

777
01:26:23,260 --> 01:26:24,520
Yes, okay, motion passes.

778
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:25,180
Thank you.

779
01:26:25,420 --> 01:26:27,920
So just for the record, we're seeing yes with the flock

780
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,080
and then with the understanding that we'll come back and talk.

781
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:38,080
As the budget was approved as as is we can bring that item up anytime when it comes yeah

782
01:26:39,100 --> 01:26:39,920
all right

783
01:26:41,140 --> 01:26:42,500
Next we have

784
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:45,540
Planning community development presenting

785
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:53,400
We'll see how this goes with the mic

786
01:26:56,380 --> 01:27:04,900
All right the first case is a text amendment. This is in a second read of the text amendment. So this is a text amendment to our ordinance that we passed in

787
01:27:04,900 --> 01:27:10,400
in 2025, allowing accessory units, just changing them to make them have them be allowed by

788
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:16,000
right, as opposed to, I think, to come to careful if one wanted to custom design one for

789
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:16,460
their property.

790
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:21,320
So following up from the discussion that was had last week, there were two things that we

791
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:21,780
needed to clarify.

792
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:30,440
One was about the language of, if you are having plans designed for an ADU on your property

793
01:27:30,440 --> 01:27:35,080
that it is designed by a design professional, the original language, was a licensed

794
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:40,940
architecture engineer. I went with the language that I meant, I'll highlight in red here

795
01:27:40,940 --> 01:27:45,580
at the end, licensed design professional and I came to that conclusion based off of what

796
01:27:45,580 --> 01:27:50,240
the state of Georgia has for architects and similar, they call them registered or licensed

797
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:55,480
professionals, and then the American Institute of Artifacts, all of the design professionals,

798
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:59,360
so I just managed to get it together to license, design, professional, and on the back end that

799
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:04,660
is something that we do check if people are allowed by law to draw the things they are

800
01:28:04,660 --> 01:28:04,920
throwing.

801
01:28:05,300 --> 01:28:07,420
So I like that was a pretty good compromise.

802
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:09,980
The other, oh no,

803
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:17,740
the other, there we go.

804
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:23,100
The other question was about whether the addition of an AAU will make your property taxes

805
01:28:23,100 --> 01:28:23,740
go up.

806
01:28:24,020 --> 01:28:30,480
I did look at, or talk to the Cabin County and then read into the International, I'm beginning

807
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:33,900
with the acronym is basically the International and the National Association for Assessments.

808
01:28:33,900 --> 01:28:36,700
So will this make your property taxes go up?

809
01:28:37,260 --> 01:28:42,700
Sure answer is no, the answer is maybe the issue of whether it's zoning or improvements.

810
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:50,620
Efecture property taxes is really, and it depends on how active your property tax assessor is at coming and

811
01:28:50,620 --> 01:28:52,680
visiting your property and seeing if there are improvements.

812
01:28:53,180 --> 01:29:00,460
I'll say on doorbell side, DeCab County is not pulling permit records from us to find out who's doing improvements.

813
01:29:01,540 --> 01:29:06,480
That's not, I mean, it's data we would provide if they ask, but it's not data that they are asking from us and that we're given.

814
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:11,000
We, the other way around, we get most of our data from Decavon County, not the other way around.

815
01:29:11,700 --> 01:29:20,580
So theoretically, an improvement on your property, or an ADU on your property could make your taxes go up, but in the same way that, you know, adding an addition or enclosing your porch or something like that.

816
01:29:20,980 --> 01:29:21,620
Would as well.

817
01:29:22,940 --> 01:29:26,900
I'm just a reminder that we haven't had any ADU permits since we adopted this ordinance.

818
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:30,460
Staff are recommending approval and planning commission also recommended approval.

819
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:32,200
I don't know if you have any questions.

820
01:29:35,870 --> 01:29:39,730
This, sorry, it's not a public hearing, I had that last month, I'm sorry, that was my mistake.

821
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:44,790
Correct, yes, secondary, that will mistake, my bad.

822
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:53,800
Thank you, Mayor.

823
01:29:54,940 --> 01:29:55,820
No, it sounds good.

824
01:29:55,820 --> 01:29:59,280
Awesome quick question though about that license professional

825
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:16,400
Architect, I'm not going to make a comment about Chris, don't worry. How if the homeowner draws it? Right, because if the homeowner draws plans here, they don't need to be a license professional. They can submit for a permit, get their own permit, correct? Let's

826
01:30:22,670 --> 01:30:23,730
put that in. You do need a license.

827
01:30:25,780 --> 01:30:37,240
Okay. Just wondering. And then I know we talked about, they're going to be separate meters in all. I guess you could up size your meter to your house and rub.

828
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:38,720
We're on a sub panel out there.

829
01:30:39,420 --> 01:30:41,600
We did not add any of that language in the ordinance,

830
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:42,480
but basically we're going to let.

831
01:30:42,780 --> 01:30:44,420
Yeah, yeah, no, no, I don't want to add an ordinance.

832
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,440
I was just thinking, just I just want to let people know

833
01:30:46,440 --> 01:30:49,980
that if you do add a separate meter and all that stuff,

834
01:30:49,980 --> 01:30:52,400
then it will probably ping the county

835
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:53,720
to come look at your stuff more.

836
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:57,300
And if you improve your property, your value goes up,

837
01:30:57,580 --> 01:30:59,320
your taxes will go up, you know,

838
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:00,520
because you're improving your property.

839
01:31:00,780 --> 01:31:03,200
But it's if they come assess it.

840
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:04,660
So just take that and account,

841
01:31:04,660 --> 01:31:10,600
You're probably better off up sizing the meat at your house and running a sub panel to that house then

842
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,280
Getting a separate meter

843
01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:16,100
Thank you. That's a next customer branch on

844
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:23,440
Thanks, I mean, it's just to talk a little bit about this this stem from house bill 1166 correct and

845
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:27,520
I mean ultimately Georgia now requires that cities allow by right

846
01:31:28,060 --> 01:31:31,780
80 use on single family properties and this is a historic district and

847
01:31:32,380 --> 01:31:33,300
Is that correct?

848
01:31:34,660 --> 01:31:35,200
I did not pass.

849
01:31:36,140 --> 01:31:38,300
I don't think that was just a proposed consultation.

850
01:31:38,540 --> 01:31:40,640
All right, for some reason I thought that had passed.

851
01:31:41,220 --> 01:31:43,440
I do know that they had put a restriction in of size.

852
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,440
We haven't eliminated our size restrictions

853
01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:46,940
correct within the city.

854
01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:49,000
If you're doing it as a detached structure,

855
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:51,740
as most people do, we treated the same way

856
01:31:51,740 --> 01:31:53,160
as we treat other accessory structures.

857
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,960
So there's a size limitation based on how big your house is.

858
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:58,760
I did an ADU in City of Atlanta

859
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,060
that's under construction right now that's over 2000 square feet.

860
01:32:02,020 --> 01:32:03,920
It's amazing what some people will put on their property.

861
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,560
But you have to have a fairly large house here in Doorbell to get that passed.

862
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:10,000
No, I think this was good.

863
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:15,440
And I do want to make a comment that if you are, I would love to see somebody do one of these, and I'm working on one.

864
01:32:15,500 --> 01:32:18,240
But if you are doing this and you do need a stamp and

865
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:22,940
analyze professional, a number of lumber supply companies will actually design.

866
01:32:23,420 --> 01:32:29,000
You give them your drawings, they will design the framing package and then stamp it for you at no additional charge.

867
01:32:29,180 --> 01:32:33,900
So if you do need a design professional, that's a great resource that you can get it done for.

868
01:32:42,110 --> 01:32:45,940
All right. Councilmember Ray.

869
01:32:48,940 --> 01:32:52,980
No additional questions. Thank you, Austin. Councilmember Nasser.

870
01:32:57,060 --> 01:33:03,760
About the taxes. So they can build a second edition of the house. I mean, second edition

871
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:07,340
in their back, right on their, on their parcel.

872
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:14,700
And absolutely paid no taxes, no extra taxes for the second.

873
01:33:15,220 --> 01:33:20,020
I'm trying to say I don't know, I mean, that's really dependent on what the tax assessor does effective.

874
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:25,660
Dorival doesn't control it, but right now the tax assessor doesn't know if you put one in your house or not.

875
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:33,680
And in Northwoods, I can think of a house that basically could completely rebuild the 1950s.

876
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:40,180
into this huge modern structure and it was still listed as 1953 1200 square

877
01:33:40,180 --> 01:33:47,320
foot house you know like 10 years later so I would say actually it'd be more

878
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:51,980
in the city's interest to be making sure the county was updating this stuff

879
01:33:51,980 --> 01:33:57,680
because I mean it's not you know we're kind of losing revenue there but that's

880
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:02,360
that's like kind of a different decision than this. The reason I was asking

881
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:07,080
question. Some of the residents, they should have reached out to me and telling me that okay,

882
01:34:07,500 --> 01:34:12,880
we're allowing them a completely different structure on the property, on the parcel.

883
01:34:13,580 --> 01:34:20,080
Then we are not collecting taxes. Then we do have some rooming housing issue. And

884
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:31,460
if people go to whatever they want to do, then there's a small parking lot. Also their drive

885
01:34:31,460 --> 01:34:44,320
It's also small that people will be parking their vehicle all over the street blocking people's commuting and a lot of other issues could raise, and which our court enforcement is

886
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:49,580
every day they're getting going out there there's a lot of complaints.

887
01:34:52,100 --> 01:34:53,100
Also trash

888
01:34:53,100 --> 01:34:57,520
is overrun, then we still have a complaint, people complaining trash can be

889
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,620
seen from the street or whatever going on and

890
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:29,880
You know, just so much trying to figure out how to have a solution, because this is at to the problem that currently that we are facing. I understand it's a great improvement that that we are trying to move our city forward, but at the same time, these are the problems that we're going to have. And that I don't know how to, you know, answer to those public for these type of issues that's coming out. I mean, other than that, it's a great plan.

891
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:37,200
I don't know if Austin's going to be able to answer those questions either right they're

892
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:42,620
more like that's what your guys are deciding tonight so weighing everything.

893
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:49,380
Councillor Marevans. Thank you Mayor. Thank you for the second presentation on this.

894
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:58,200
So I guess my main question related to these pre-approved plans by the city do we have

895
01:35:58,200 --> 01:35:59,160
of these plans already?

896
01:35:59,620 --> 01:36:00,420
Are they designed?

897
01:36:01,540 --> 01:36:01,960
Not yet.

898
01:36:02,900 --> 01:36:04,460
I think I said this last month.

899
01:36:04,900 --> 01:36:06,900
That's been a lot more complicated than I thought,

900
01:36:07,020 --> 01:36:08,660
because there's a lot of people talking about doing that,

901
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:10,300
and a lot of people who are actually doing it yet.

902
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,180
So we are talking to a group in Atlanta

903
01:36:13,180 --> 01:36:16,040
that is trying to figure out how to do that

904
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:19,480
and streamline that process, but we're not there yet.

905
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:23,780
It's hard for me to say yes to this without seeing

906
01:36:23,780 --> 01:36:25,540
what the pre-approved plan is.

907
01:36:26,300 --> 01:36:28,780
The pre-approved plan stuff is already in the ordinance.

908
01:36:28,980 --> 01:36:33,360
This is basically just allowing somebody who wants to resign their own to come in and do it by right.

909
01:36:33,820 --> 01:36:35,180
And staff

910
01:36:39,860 --> 01:36:46,680
perspective, there's no concern on that on it being done as the pre-approved plans without checking first.

911
01:36:47,740 --> 01:36:49,140
The code enforcement, et cetera.

912
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:55,320
Well, the pre-approved plan part would need to be approved like the same plans a lot.

913
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:59,040
actual plan documents would need to be adopted by council that's in the

914
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:03,300
ordinance as well that council will be presented with those when they when they

915
01:37:03,300 --> 01:37:08,400
when we have them and then prove whether or not to use this one or this one

916
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:13,440
or something like that and this is a text amendment so this is in addition to all

917
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:19,520
the other qualifications of what's already in order and it's correct and the text

918
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:23,880
this text amendment is only for somebody designing their own and whether or

919
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:30,160
We want every one of those to have to come to council or whether we want those to just be handled administratively like other accessories.

920
01:37:30,180 --> 01:37:30,860
We're very interested.

921
01:37:34,580 --> 01:37:37,520
The one concern that I keep thinking about is the septic tanks.

922
01:37:37,980 --> 01:37:45,440
If we're adding additional square footage, how do we know based on the size of the house, this is up to a third of the size, I believe.

923
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:52,340
What does that look like regarding overflowing or causing issues running down the street?

924
01:37:55,240 --> 01:38:18,400
I mean, this is where I lean back on, you know, when we do this administratively, I mean, we do have the same issues when people are adding onto their house, or if they're adding plumbing into an accessory structure that's maybe not living in, and whether or not they're on sewer or septic is one of the things that's checked, and then if they're on septic, I mean, hopefully they know where their septic tank is, and they're not trying to put something on top of it, but then, you know, what is the capacity, how old is it?

925
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:26,320
So it's, you know, there's not a single answer for every single property, but it is something

926
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:27,200
that's checked every time.

927
01:38:30,490 --> 01:38:31,330
I saw my question.

928
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:31,870
Thank you.

929
01:38:33,550 --> 01:38:34,130
All right.

930
01:38:35,870 --> 01:38:36,270
Yeah.

931
01:38:36,430 --> 01:38:37,090
Councilmember Simmons.

932
01:38:37,490 --> 01:38:42,210
I just want to say one more thing and it doesn't, it has to do with this, but doesn't,

933
01:38:42,410 --> 01:38:47,070
like if, you know, we talk about impact fees and all just in the future, just think about

934
01:38:47,070 --> 01:38:51,130
if they do add this in the language, what to do, another Texan about adding impact fees

935
01:38:52,010 --> 01:38:55,050
to that and take that into account when they do it.

936
01:38:55,610 --> 01:38:57,250
Just since they'll be adding more rooms

937
01:38:57,250 --> 01:39:00,230
and going in the sewer and water and all that stuff

938
01:39:00,230 --> 01:39:02,950
and connection, so I just wanted to bring that up.

939
01:39:03,490 --> 01:39:05,030
Now, I want to add that too.

940
01:39:05,730 --> 01:39:07,970
No, I don't think we haven't passed anything about it yet.

941
01:39:08,230 --> 01:39:11,870
So like, it's a new point, but if we do pass something,

942
01:39:12,250 --> 01:39:13,010
let's take that into account.

943
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:13,970
Welcome to the future.

944
01:39:15,050 --> 01:39:15,790
Has the number of handshot?

945
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:18,270
We do require a survey in order to put the structure

946
01:39:18,270 --> 01:39:19,190
on your property, correct?

947
01:39:19,890 --> 01:39:23,710
Do we have explicit language in our code that says if you have a septic field it has to be

948
01:39:23,710 --> 01:39:31,070
notated on the survey? I don't know if we have that exact language in there but yeah

949
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:36,800
I would just say that would be a good idea. It was like something that yeah I mean obviously

950
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:40,400
when you put an addition on your house you need to check that but you know you put a shed on

951
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:44,720
your house typically upon center blocks it's not a big deal but you start connecting to it would

952
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:49,080
be good idea. I think thank you Carol for bringing that up so yeah that would be nice. I don't

953
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:54,100
I don't know if I can make a motion include that or would you prefer to bring that back

954
01:39:54,100 --> 01:39:54,840
as an item later?

955
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:57,080
I'd prefer to bring that back because I don't know if it's in there or not.

956
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:59,980
And El or with a verbiage to be okay then I'll just make-

957
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:11,600
The motion will prove as in the packet. We have a second. So any discussion? All right. I'll call the roll. Councilmember Henshaw. Yes. Councilmember Nasser.

958
01:40:15,580 --> 01:40:27,200
It's no. Councilmember Simmons. Yes. Councilmember Ray. Yes. Councilmember Evans. Yes. All right. Motion passes. Thank you. Okay.

959
01:40:29,390 --> 01:40:30,570
We're going to take two minutes.

960
01:40:33,450 --> 01:40:35,190
And we'll be back in a minute.

961
01:40:35,190 --> 01:40:36,490
All right,

962
01:44:36,780 --> 01:44:41,640
let's go ahead and start the meeting back and we'll start with Z26-06.

963
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:43,180
All right, thank you Mayor.

964
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:48,320
This is, as you said, a rezoning of a parcel on New Peachtree Road, 6446, New Peachtree

965
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:48,580
Road.

966
01:44:48,780 --> 01:44:52,560
This is actually a newly created parcel, but we'll get into that in a little bit.

967
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:59,020
So the applicant is, the owner is Kinder Morgan, but there's also a representative strength

968
01:44:59,020 --> 01:44:59,960
of the business owner here.

969
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:28,820
It was purchasing the property from Kinder Morgan as part of this rezoning. So the property is currently zoned. Actually, here's an aerial view of the property. So I'm sure we've all are familiar with this at the corner of McElroy and New Peachtree Road. The petroleum storage facility here, there is a warehouse on the northern end of the property. Until recently, they were all one property back in May of this year. It was subdivided so that the warehouse and its associated parking lot were split off from the petroleum tanks. Here's a street view of the property.

970
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:35,300
And then the parcel viewer, so you can see the new property, parcel boundary lines that

971
01:45:35,300 --> 01:45:37,840
were drawn when this was replanted earlier this year.

972
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:44,660
So the currently the property is zone M2 conditional, so that's a heavy industrial with a condition

973
01:45:44,660 --> 01:45:45,300
on the property.

974
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:51,160
The condition that's on the property restricts the use of the property to petroleum storage

975
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:52,240
and distribution uses.

976
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:57,660
And then to get back in the little, I'm forgetting what order my slides are in, but there's

977
01:45:57,660 --> 01:46:01,840
So a couple of properties on New Peachtree Road that are zoned with this condition.

978
01:46:02,380 --> 01:46:06,000
The historical reason for that and the warehouse building, my slides are all out of order.

979
01:46:06,440 --> 01:46:07,440
The order that I thought they were in.

980
01:46:08,380 --> 01:46:09,900
The existing warehouse building is here.

981
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:15,000
Some photos, recent photos of what the property looks inside of the property looks like and then a rough floor plan.

982
01:46:15,580 --> 01:46:21,820
It's more or less 30, 34 or 35,000 square feet inside and I've lost control again.

983
01:46:21,820 --> 01:46:28,840
All right, so the operator that's being proposing to purchase the property from Kinder Morgan

984
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:33,520
after the zoning is a pressure-washing business known as Wiseguys, so they're proposing

985
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:36,880
to move their headquarters from Peachtree corners to this facility.

986
01:46:40,100 --> 01:46:42,180
And I really messed up the order here.

987
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:42,720
That's okay.

988
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:45,780
So there's a lot of uses that are being proposed on the property.

989
01:46:46,060 --> 01:46:50,780
The applicant is requesting that the property be resumed to M1, so light industrial removing

990
01:46:50,780 --> 01:46:52,920
removing the condition, restricting the use on the property.

991
01:46:53,980 --> 01:46:58,040
Spoiler alert, staff is recommending that it be zoned instead to office warehouse.

992
01:46:58,500 --> 01:47:03,060
Here's a comparison of the uses that were provided as part of the application for

993
01:47:03,060 --> 01:47:06,820
wise guys and then what fits in which zoning district.

994
01:47:06,820 --> 01:47:12,400
So you can see on here that M1 is a bit more permissive right out out of the gate.

995
01:47:14,260 --> 01:47:18,540
So staff are recommending denial of the request of rezoning to M1 instead of

996
01:47:18,540 --> 01:47:23,220
recommending that it be resumed office warehouse and then, okay, now here's the part where I'm going to go into historical.

997
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:31,300
So, as one of the public commenters mentioned, the property is currently in our current comprehensive plan in the

998
01:47:31,300 --> 01:47:36,440
what the character, you know, is the Buford Highway Cultural Corridor, this pink shade down the middle here.

999
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:41,060
In 2013, the property was owned in one light industrial.

1000
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:47,540
In 2020, this was one of the first big city initiated zoning that we did was rezoning Buford Highway and

1001
01:47:47,540 --> 01:47:52,020
Pichu Road, inside and outside 285, all to T5 and T6.

1002
01:47:53,720 --> 01:48:01,420
In 2022, we had, we went through this process where we had some of the petroleum storage

1003
01:48:01,420 --> 01:48:04,400
and distribution facilities where we realized they didn't have business licenses.

1004
01:48:04,980 --> 01:48:09,620
So we were really working through trying to get all of them to acquire their licenses with

1005
01:48:09,620 --> 01:48:09,920
the city.

1006
01:48:10,780 --> 01:48:14,020
These properties could not acquire a business license because we had reasoned them to something

1007
01:48:14,020 --> 01:48:15,200
that does not allow that use.

1008
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:21,580
So the city re-zoned them back and then that was when the condition was added by council to restrict them as kind of a practical measure of

1009
01:48:21,580 --> 01:48:24,600
You know, we don't normally zone things to heavy industrial anymore

1010
01:48:25,260 --> 01:48:33,280
Even though we have a lot of it, but just kind of a practical consideration that the this use is probably not going to go away because these are more or less spent in purpose-built properties

1011
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:38,080
And then also just some the

1012
01:48:39,460 --> 01:48:44,020
Notes here, you know when we're looking at our current comprehensive plan and then the one that we're about to adopt

1013
01:48:47,420 --> 01:48:52,400
The use of the beef or highway in the new peach tree red quarters is really always for a long time but

1014
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,440
envisioned is more high density, more mixed use.

1015
01:48:55,600 --> 01:49:01,180
Right now they're mostly commercial and a little bit industrial but just in the future as door go grows and

1016
01:49:01,180 --> 01:49:02,440
changes what's going to happen there.

1017
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:09,120
This property in the updated comprehensive plan or soon to be updated comprehensive plan, you see the tank farm district

1018
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:12,600
in the blue there comes across the railroad tracks.

1019
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:27,500
This property is still in the Beford Highway corridor character area in the proposed comprehensive plan and just about the order in which things have happened.

1020
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:36,040
So the initial draft of the comprehensive plan, like the very first skeleton draft that was put out, did have this property in the tank farm district.

1021
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:42,500
It was not split off from the Kinder Morgan property at the time when it was split off and became, you know

1022
01:49:42,500 --> 01:49:49,780
Not necessarily tied to the petroleum tanks anymore. That's when it's the character area was switched to the cultural corridor

1023
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:57,980
I'm gonna skip over this for time because I know you got to go so there one more note. There is a deed restriction on the property

1024
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:27,500
That restricts a lot of uses, particularly residential. I'm not expecting you guys to read all this. This is a list of what's allowed in M1 and OW by right and with a conditional use permit. The uses that are highlighted and read are the ones that are on the deed restriction that are not allowed to be on this property. And so, like I said, the staff's recommendation is to not rezone it to M1 but instead rezone it to office warehouse, which is kind of the next level of intensity down in industrial and commercial properties.

1025
01:50:27,500 --> 01:50:37,100
So, so that's staff's recommendation and then I won't go into that planning commission

1026
01:50:37,100 --> 01:50:42,780
recommended approval with some can do a reasonable approval to rezone it to M1 with some conditions.

1027
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:47,340
And you know we can go into those if you'd like but anyway this

1028
01:50:49,610 --> 01:50:50,510
is the public hearings we're

1029
01:50:50,510 --> 01:50:55,290
going to have to hear from the public and actually before that they went from Kendra Morgan

1030
01:50:55,290 --> 01:50:57,950
here. Is there anything you want us here? Do you want

1031
01:50:57,950 --> 01:51:01,070
not wise guys to speak. Go ahead.

1032
01:51:07,770 --> 01:51:10,490
Good afternoon mayor council. My name is Rick Seaman. I'm one of the

1033
01:51:10,490 --> 01:51:15,710
congressional directors at Kendra Morgan. And on 6446 it is

1034
01:51:15,710 --> 01:51:21,110
zoned currently m2c and it is in the tank farm district. About a

1035
01:51:21,110 --> 01:51:23,870
year ago so when we started this process you know I did make some

1036
01:51:23,870 --> 01:51:26,890
inquiries to make sure that we could indeed separate the

1037
01:51:27,590 --> 01:51:31,590
property. At the time it was a unused warehouse and we felt that

1038
01:51:31,590 --> 01:51:33,890
that in better standing with the community,

1039
01:51:34,130 --> 01:51:35,750
it's better not to have an unused warehouse,

1040
01:51:36,250 --> 01:51:39,530
so we did go through the process of separating that out.

1041
01:51:40,330 --> 01:51:42,770
We did bring this in front of the planning committee

1042
01:51:42,770 --> 01:51:45,930
on September 2nd and they did vote in favor of the M1.

1043
01:51:46,490 --> 01:51:48,970
So our request today is to vote your vote

1044
01:51:48,970 --> 01:51:52,070
for in favor of an M1 and as staff have noted,

1045
01:51:52,410 --> 01:51:54,110
it wasn't M1 property prior.

1046
01:51:55,130 --> 01:51:57,610
In that comprehensive plan,

1047
01:51:57,950 --> 01:52:00,470
it does mention that the importance of the overall balance

1048
01:52:00,470 --> 01:52:06,510
to the community and the goals and the flexibility of accommodating the unforeseen and the innovative

1049
01:52:06,510 --> 01:52:09,250
redevelopment concept is what we're talking about.

1050
01:52:10,290 --> 01:52:16,830
Although he staff mentioned that it was not part of the tank farm, there are three pipelines

1051
01:52:16,830 --> 01:52:23,110
on that property with an easement, so it does still fit within the tank district requirement.

1052
01:52:23,930 --> 01:52:31,250
Also along the way we feel we support many of your objectives, one being maintaining the

1053
01:52:31,250 --> 01:52:37,850
industrial side of view for corridor by keeping this in the tank district, two by promoting

1054
01:52:37,850 --> 01:52:44,010
the economic development for the adaptive use, which was reselling this to an active community

1055
01:52:44,010 --> 01:52:50,990
minded individual and company, and then also limiting the future development of the M1 zoning,

1056
01:52:50,990 --> 01:52:57,550
We initially wanted just the M2, but we talked with staff and the council to then

1057
01:52:57,550 --> 01:53:03,010
re-change that to the M1 zoning. And then this aligns with the infrastructure

1058
01:53:03,010 --> 01:53:09,970
plan and the purpose of the multi-use of that property. Going to an OW does not

1059
01:53:09,970 --> 01:53:16,970
give that zoning requirement of separating an M2C with an OW right next door. We

1060
01:53:16,970 --> 01:53:23,210
We feel that M1 would give that zoning requirement of giving that buffer zone and the requirement

1061
01:53:23,210 --> 01:53:26,310
of still having those three pipelines are also on that.

1062
01:53:27,870 --> 01:53:33,150
So we feel that a favorable vote is an appropriate measure.

1063
01:53:34,090 --> 01:53:40,190
So in conclusion on my side, the subject property is especially in the bank district.

1064
01:53:40,570 --> 01:53:46,190
It's still a subject to the SSD and M1 zoning would represent a balance and solution of

1065
01:53:46,190 --> 01:53:51,330
the economic development, preserving the integrity of the Buford Corridor, and it recognizes

1066
01:53:51,330 --> 01:53:57,010
the property of a standing industrial character, as well as the appropriate transition between

1067
01:53:57,010 --> 01:54:01,870
an M2 and a adjacent property which was in this case with the M1.

1068
01:54:02,850 --> 01:54:04,550
So with that, I'll yield to Wes.

1069
01:54:12,870 --> 01:54:13,750
Hello, everyone.

1070
01:54:14,090 --> 01:54:15,270
My name is Wesley Bloom.

1071
01:54:15,730 --> 01:54:17,310
I'm the owner of Wise Guys' Pro Wash.

1072
01:54:17,430 --> 01:54:18,810
I appreciate you all being here today.

1073
01:54:19,490 --> 01:54:21,110
I'm just going to run through this a little bit.

1074
01:54:21,110 --> 01:54:26,250
The building was built in 1948, so it was actually one year after the GM assembly plan

1075
01:54:26,250 --> 01:54:29,170
opened to give you some context of how old this property is.

1076
01:54:30,150 --> 01:54:34,270
Over the life of the property, the 78 years that it's been here, it's been zone M1-71

1077
01:54:34,270 --> 01:54:39,650
of those years, so 90% of its life it's been zone M1, so we don't feel that we're asking

1078
01:54:39,650 --> 01:54:43,230
for something that is out of the realm of what's already been there.

1079
01:54:44,290 --> 01:54:45,510
I'm not going to go through the maps.

1080
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:47,770
Here's an overview of the property.

1081
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:52,010
in yellow down on the bottom right you can see behind it all of the tank

1082
01:54:52,010 --> 01:54:55,850
farms that are there. And if we go to the next one you can see the pipeline

1083
01:54:55,850 --> 01:54:59,870
easement on the right side of the property. That's what the yellow is.

1084
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,980
There, that's a 30-foot stretch that cannot be built on top of because of the pipelines. You can see behind the property is the active railroad corridor, and then to the left side of it is the tanks. To give you some context, I've become somewhat of a wannabe expert when it comes to oil. I didn't plan on that, but that tank next door is a 55,000 barrel tank, which holds over 2 million gallons of gasoline. And to give you some context, it's roughly 15,000.

1085
01:55:29,980 --> 01:55:35,360
feet from the building. So here it is over the years. This is back in 2003. This is the last

1086
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:39,560
aerial image that I can see that has a lot of cars. Notice it is a Saturday, which is kind

1087
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:44,920
of interesting. As we flow through the years, you can see that the amount of cars goes down.

1088
01:55:45,380 --> 01:55:51,060
It's hard to know exactly how long it's been vacant for, but you can see in 2010, it's clearly vacant.

1089
01:55:51,380 --> 01:55:56,820
So nothing's really been happening there for a long time now. Not going to go through this because

1090
01:55:56,820 --> 01:56:03,560
We've already been touched upon, so in terms of who we are, so this is not necessarily

1091
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:07,060
a wise guy's commercial, you can look us up if you want to know more about us.

1092
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:12,640
But we've been around for almost 10 years now, started the company when I was in college,

1093
01:56:13,140 --> 01:56:18,300
and we've got about 50 people in the company now, and we're the highest rated largest

1094
01:56:18,300 --> 01:56:19,840
exterior cleaning company in Georgia.

1095
01:56:20,980 --> 01:56:28,000
So here's a photo of our company, not necessarily to like flex and show how many people we have,

1096
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:30,880
but it's more a matter of look at how cleanly we present.

1097
01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:34,140
And it's really important to us how we present being a cleaning company.

1098
01:56:34,680 --> 01:56:39,660
And so for us, making sure that all of our trucks and our people are uniformed and represent.

1099
01:56:40,180 --> 01:56:44,360
Here's a, we clean Georgetown football stadium, we also clean a baseball stadium, other areas.

1100
01:56:44,820 --> 01:56:48,460
And so this is more so to see another shot of the trucks.

1101
01:56:48,460 --> 01:56:54,780
This is the biggest truck that we have. It's called an Azuzu NRR. It's a 12 foot long bed. It's the size of a pickup truck.

1102
01:56:55,060 --> 01:56:59,000
It's just a little bit wider. So we're not running semi-trucks or anything like that.

1103
01:56:59,340 --> 01:57:03,480
Here's a photo of our existing warehouse to give you kind of some context of our trucks inside of it.

1104
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:06,840
We have our holiday light storage and the back of the trucks with the reeds and the bins.

1105
01:57:07,460 --> 01:57:11,120
And so, you know, it's really important for us that we're keeping things nice, clean, and organized.

1106
01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:13,120
You know, we'll skip that.

1107
01:57:13,740 --> 01:57:19,520
So here's the outside of the building right now, you know honestly it just looks like an old industrial building

1108
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:24,040
It's not really providing much character to the corridor and so and it takes a lot of work

1109
01:57:24,040 --> 01:57:29,120
It's gonna take a lot of work to to fix it up. Here's some photo some additional photos, you know

1110
01:57:29,120 --> 01:57:34,760
Obviously the photos that you saw before were like the best photos that they have of the property in terms of like opening all the doors

1111
01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:38,320
They don't normally open to get the natural light in because there's no actual lights in the building

1112
01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:41,480
Again, there's holes in the ground for the toilets would be

1113
01:57:43,120 --> 01:57:50,580
It's going to take millions of dollars to restore it, there's no floor, there's no ceiling, there's no lighting, there's no HFAC in the building right now, at all.

1114
01:57:51,800 --> 01:58:03,360
So across the street, and I think part of it is that what my goal is is not just to be a part of what the city doesn't want in terms of just adding industrial space to add industrial space.

1115
01:58:03,480 --> 01:58:07,560
I think for me, it's more a matter of making better than what's there now.

1116
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:14,120
Now this is across the street right now, these are legally conforming, I believe, is the

1117
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:14,700
proper term.

1118
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:20,260
And so even though these are T5 properties, which is less of a zoning than what we're asking

1119
01:58:20,260 --> 01:58:23,880
for, it still doesn't really scream D for Highway culture corridor.

1120
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:28,480
And so, you know, for us, what we want to do is we want to change that.

1121
01:58:29,020 --> 01:58:35,400
And so we want to add back to what the city is trying to do to make the corridor more of

1122
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:36,240
a walkable area.

1123
01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:41,800
You can see that there's actually going to be a mobility path that's going in front of the property

1124
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:46,780
That's already underway by the city and so what we want to do is we want to add to that

1125
01:58:46,780 --> 01:58:52,460
I was in the council meeting the last council meeting as the comprehensive plan was gone over and one of the things that was mentioned

1126
01:58:52,460 --> 01:58:57,240
Is that there's not a lot of canopy cover over the sidewalks, and that's something that the city wants

1127
01:58:57,240 --> 01:59:03,180
So that's why you know we put in the the idea to put in the the trees to do so

1128
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:08,400
Also, you know, having this be more of a mobility corridor is another priority of the city.

1129
01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:14,080
So in doing so, and this is all like me guessing, because it's not like, you know, anyone told me I should do this, I literally just had to make it up.

1130
01:59:14,580 --> 01:59:18,300
And I met with Allison and Albert, and they also thought that it would be good.

1131
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:27,020
And so the idea is that tie in some public art that ties into the, you know, the cultural history of the city, add in a couple of benches.

1132
01:59:27,620 --> 01:59:31,000
So that way, you know, as people are utilizing it, they can actually sit down on the shade.

1133
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:35,160
and putting a bike repair station in as well.

1134
01:59:35,980 --> 01:59:41,720
So I think really what I'm getting at is that our goal isn't to just be there.

1135
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:45,980
Our goal is to actually improve the property that's there, and really to be a part of the city.

1136
01:59:46,540 --> 01:59:52,760
I grew up coming to Dorville, my dad had a business in Dorville, so as a kid I was able to come with him to work.

1137
01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:59,520
And so I don't have kids yet, but the goal would be that when that time comes that I can bring them to my office,

1138
01:59:59,520 --> 01:59:59,960
which I hope.

1139
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,680
Hopefully would be this building. This is not a speculative project. This is something that I've been working on for 10 months. Honestly, the fact that I'm even here speaking in front of you all, I never thought this would get to this point. Honestly, there are so many ways that I thought I would get shot down. And so, so that's really more what it is is that, you know, for us to be able to operate, obviously, we need M1. And so, yeah, so that's what we're here for. I think the

1140
02:00:29,680 --> 02:00:36,540
You know, again, the city's, one of the, in the comprehensive plan, you know, the parks is an area that the city wants to improve.

1141
02:00:36,720 --> 02:00:40,760
I know that was recently mentioned that there's some new playground equipment that's on the way.

1142
02:00:41,740 --> 02:00:44,760
Honestly, I don't know that some of the playground equipment does need to be replaced.

1143
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:45,840
I think it seems to be cleaned.

1144
02:00:46,380 --> 02:00:49,940
One of the things that we want to do is to give back to the community, which we already do.

1145
02:00:50,680 --> 02:00:56,380
And so one of the ways that we did that specifically, recently in Dorville, was to clean English Oak Park.

1146
02:00:56,840 --> 02:01:02,580
We spoke with Ms. Kim in the recreation department to make sure that it was okay and she was the one who mentioned this park right here

1147
02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:08,720
There's the sign. You can't really see it from this far away. Here's a sidewalk out front. You can see you know

1148
02:01:08,720 --> 02:01:11,020
Left side is the before right side is the after and

1149
02:01:11,900 --> 02:01:17,260
You know here is some of the benches and trash cans. I don't know where we're being proposed replacing on this particular park

1150
02:01:17,260 --> 02:01:19,800
But I did over here that they look pretty good now

1151
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:24,940
So I think you know cleaning them up definitely does a good thing there

1152
02:01:24,940 --> 02:01:27,900
Here's some of the playground equipment you can see on the left hand side, some of the

1153
02:01:27,900 --> 02:01:32,360
likeness growing on the roof, and on the right side, it's clean, and this is really like

1154
02:01:32,360 --> 02:01:35,680
the worst of it, was there was a ton of likeness on the play structures that has now been

1155
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:36,340
cleaned as well.

1156
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:43,200
So, really, it's trying to find the balance between, even though this property is reparsaled,

1157
02:01:43,420 --> 02:01:49,940
it's still kind of attached to the tank farm next door, and so, M1, we feel that is the

1158
02:01:49,940 --> 02:01:54,200
right balance of being able to step down from what is there now, which would allow us

1159
02:01:54,200 --> 02:01:58,240
to operate. So, thank you.

1160
02:01:58,980 --> 02:02:04,260
Thank you very much. Well, this is a public hearing. So before we hear from the councilor

1161
02:02:04,260 --> 02:02:08,700
ask other questions, why don't we open it up to members of the public? Well, first, I

1162
02:02:08,700 --> 02:02:12,340
opened it up to anyone wishing to speak in favor of this item.

1163
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:18,720
Yeah.

1164
02:02:22,750 --> 02:02:26,790
Steffi couldn't slip a note, Cliff. This is right around the corner from where I live. And

1165
02:02:26,790 --> 02:02:33,170
And the property under made, I thought some good arguments about that this is a step

1166
02:02:33,170 --> 02:02:41,870
down zoning, putting OW directly adjacent to M2 doesn't really fit what we usually do

1167
02:02:41,870 --> 02:02:42,430
with our zoning.

1168
02:02:42,670 --> 02:02:50,350
When we did the rezoning of the industrial areas on the other side of my house, we did, it

1169
02:02:50,350 --> 02:02:55,790
was M1 and then we stepped it down to OW and then the M2 is on the other side of that.

1170
02:02:55,790 --> 02:03:11,030
And I don't think anybody would like zone M2 right next to R1 and the whole idea of zoning is it does step down in use from heavy industrial to lighter industrial to OW to that sort of thing.

1171
02:03:11,290 --> 02:03:19,390
One thing that they also brought up is it is 15 feet from the property liner for the building from gasoline tank.

1172
02:03:19,390 --> 02:03:26,970
And there's this whole blast zone that you can't have certain uses within so many feet of a gasoline tank.

1173
02:03:27,470 --> 02:03:35,630
And I understand that the comprehensive plan is, which I'm a big proponent of comprehensive plans and following them,

1174
02:03:36,270 --> 02:03:37,970
that their vision is 20 years out.

1175
02:03:38,510 --> 02:03:44,890
And potentially 20 years out, those tanks aren't going to be there, potentially, you know, could be, but they may be gone.

1176
02:03:44,890 --> 02:03:51,450
and at that point, you do want to have this view from highway cultural court or reach

1177
02:03:51,450 --> 02:03:57,710
all the way up to that point, but for the foreseeable future, those tanks are going to be there.

1178
02:03:58,450 --> 02:04:06,910
And to bring, to turn a building that's not being used, and have it adaptively reused

1179
02:04:06,910 --> 02:04:12,750
to bring 50 jobs into the city that don't currently exist here, and to bring an employer

1180
02:04:12,750 --> 02:04:17,550
into the city and then have the people that are working there, going to restaurants and

1181
02:04:17,550 --> 02:04:21,530
bond gasoline and potentially moving the door available to be closer to their job.

1182
02:04:21,950 --> 02:04:32,490
I think far outweighs trying to force this OW zoning into an area that has these tank or

1183
02:04:32,490 --> 02:04:35,910
the pipeline easements and are that close to a tank.

1184
02:04:36,690 --> 02:04:41,390
And he's proven he's a business owner, he's not likely to go out of business after 10 years.

1185
02:04:41,390 --> 02:04:45,710
is once you make it, you know, kind of proven once you make it about three years, you're

1186
02:04:45,710 --> 02:04:52,730
going to your viable business. And I just hate to see the city miss out on the tax revenue

1187
02:04:52,730 --> 02:04:58,910
of bringing this kind of business into the city with all these employees. I know I'm on the

1188
02:04:58,910 --> 02:04:59,970
D.A. Board, we...

1189
02:05:00,020 --> 02:05:25,500
Definitely take into account how many jobs a potential incentive is going to bring into the city. And I hope y'all will consider proving this. With conditions, if needed to make sure that it fits with y'all's vision of what that area should be. But anyway, thanks for your time. Thank you. Anyone else? We should speak in favor?

1190
02:05:25,500 --> 02:05:26,560
Is

1191
02:05:29,560 --> 02:05:30,280
there a hand raised?

1192
02:05:32,580 --> 02:05:44,700
No. Okay. All right. Anyone wish to speak against? Okay. All right. We'll bring the person over. And I can't see their names. So.

1193
02:05:46,040 --> 02:05:54,680
Yes. Hi. This is Carsten White from Kendra Morgan. I would like to speak in favor of the M1 zoning on behalf of Kendra Morgan.

1194
02:05:54,680 --> 02:06:02,700
And we'd like to publicly thank Wes and his wise guys team on this crusade to contribute

1195
02:06:02,700 --> 02:06:05,960
to the betterment, not only of this property but of door-veal.

1196
02:06:06,740 --> 02:06:11,220
We think that this is an amazing opportunity for the city and ask that you take that into

1197
02:06:11,220 --> 02:06:11,660
consideration.

1198
02:06:12,260 --> 02:06:12,940
Thank you.

1199
02:06:13,320 --> 02:06:13,840
Thank you.

1200
02:06:14,600 --> 02:06:15,400
Anyone else?

1201
02:06:16,500 --> 02:06:16,620
All right.

1202
02:06:16,820 --> 02:06:22,270
And we'll wish I speak against the podium or raise your hand.

1203
02:06:22,270 --> 02:06:26,690
Not seeing anyone, we will close the public hearing.

1204
02:06:27,890 --> 02:06:31,850
I guess Austin, after I asked my questions, I have to leave.

1205
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:39,410
But I was going to ask are there any ways that we could make OW work for them?

1206
02:06:41,430 --> 02:06:51,130
Yeah, I mean, we could do amend the use table to, you know, try to bring this kind of use in to the OW district

1207
02:06:51,130 --> 02:06:53,270
to be allowed to get the warehouse

1208
02:06:54,410 --> 02:06:57,490
more or less wise guys kind of fits into the contractor.

1209
02:06:57,790 --> 02:07:05,710
I would say like honestly like when you look at the the uses A, the truck like we've got other fleet vehicle,

1210
02:07:05,950 --> 02:07:12,390
Stanley steamer, the pest control place that are, you know, have fleet vehicles.

1211
02:07:12,930 --> 02:07:19,270
What I heard when I went back and watched the planning commission meeting was will they have outside storage

1212
02:07:19,270 --> 02:07:24,690
because they've got stuff on their trucks, but that's kind of like built-in, they can't like remove that stuff, so.

1213
02:07:25,470 --> 02:07:35,710
Yeah, that would be, and a tax amendment would be a way that we could bring uses like this into the, into the OW district and then, yeah.

1214
02:07:36,170 --> 02:07:46,110
I guess my comment to council is that, you know, I do support our comprehensive plan and I think that this was known to.

1215
02:07:49,270 --> 02:07:53,770
the current zoning because a tank farm owned it,

1216
02:07:53,970 --> 02:07:56,030
and they didn't have a business license,

1217
02:07:56,890 --> 02:07:58,950
and they had to be made legal.

1218
02:07:59,290 --> 02:08:02,270
And so we changed the zoning to allow for that.

1219
02:08:06,190 --> 02:08:11,050
Otherwise, our expectation was anything would be a tank farm,

1220
02:08:11,050 --> 02:08:15,850
or if it changed, it would have been something in T5 zoning.

1221
02:08:15,850 --> 02:08:32,330
I agree that, you know, we're probably not going to find a business that's as good as this one, but I also think that we should look for ways to make it work for, you know, work within the comprehensive plan.

1222
02:08:32,590 --> 02:08:42,990
And I don't think making a few text amendment changes to OW that I don't think would really change the character of OW is that hard to me.

1223
02:08:42,990 --> 02:08:46,090
that seems like an easy, the easiest way to do it.

1224
02:08:46,210 --> 02:08:49,690
And you could even make the text amendments so that, you know,

1225
02:08:49,790 --> 02:08:53,450
it's within certain circumstances or something for those things

1226
02:08:53,450 --> 02:08:55,750
to, you know, if you're worried about it getting out of control.

1227
02:08:56,030 --> 02:09:02,870
But, again, I'll say I agree with a lot of the arguments that are made

1228
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:07,890
by the property owner and the company that's coming in.

1229
02:09:08,410 --> 02:09:11,370
But I also do support our comprehensive plan

1230
02:09:11,370 --> 02:09:27,610
and think this shouldn't be an M1 property, so I just encourage you to look for ways to get to yes without placing undue burdens on the hopefully future owner of the property.

1231
02:09:27,970 --> 02:09:39,650
So with that, I apologize, I have to leave at 8 o'clock and it's 758, so I'm turning it over to our Mayor Pro Tem and he will run the questions to council and then whether or not we wave anything.

1232
02:09:39,650 --> 02:09:44,990
Okay, first I'll need the gavel, yeah, remember

1233
02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:48,200
how to do all this.

1234
02:09:49,140 --> 02:09:56,820
So I guess I can ask my questions then first and then start going out, yeah, yeah, exactly.

1235
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:19,400
I have a few questions and suggestions. The M1, the problem was zoning it M1, because right now it's M2 with a condition. The problem was zoning it M1 with a condition or anything like that is.

1236
02:10:22,300 --> 02:10:30,880
Yeah, to elaborate a little bit more on staff's position. So, our recommendation kind of stems from these.

1237
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:39,700
So the first one is, in the current comprehensive plan, it's just not contemplated at all, in the updated one, you know, in the little stoplight charts.

1238
02:10:39,880 --> 02:10:41,600
Yeah, I understand the T5.

1239
02:10:42,140 --> 02:10:50,300
But, well, T5, but then also OW is one of the things that's changed that's now allowed if it's appropriate in the Buford Highway corridor.

1240
02:10:50,300 --> 02:10:54,020
And I think this is a pretty strong argument for one of those uses where it's appropriate.

1241
02:10:54,020 --> 02:11:01,260
it. The other one is kind of, you know, as an ending in zoning guy, you know, our burden

1242
02:11:01,260 --> 02:11:08,460
of looking future forward. So, you know, with all due respect to Wesley and Wise Guy's,

1243
02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:13,420
you know, great business. This isn't necessarily about what they're proposing. If we zone into

1244
02:11:13,420 --> 02:11:19,520
an industrial property with kind of no constraints, you know, and however many years, once Wise

1245
02:11:19,520 --> 02:11:23,920
these guys relocates due to their overwhelming success to a larger property, you know, what

1246
02:11:23,920 --> 02:11:24,640
comes after that.

1247
02:11:24,860 --> 02:11:30,980
And the things that are allowed in an industrial district are like some of them are pretty

1248
02:11:30,980 --> 02:11:36,060
intense, you know, not to say that some of them are pretty intense and so a lot of them are

1249
02:11:36,060 --> 02:11:36,740
allowed by right.

1250
02:11:36,920 --> 02:11:40,960
And so, you know, when we recommend things like T5, it's not really because we're wanting,

1251
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:44,200
you know, just apartments everywhere because this is one of those absolutely would not work

1252
02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:45,220
for a variety of reasons.

1253
02:11:47,000 --> 02:11:51,200
But part of staff's position is basically OW is kind of the compromised position where

1254
02:11:51,200 --> 02:11:54,660
we're moving away from, you know, the stuff we usually recommend for Buford Highway,

1255
02:11:54,800 --> 02:12:03,020
but we're also not going so far that future Austin's are going to have an industrial property

1256
02:12:03,020 --> 02:12:05,380
right on the bike path that we're up to.

1257
02:12:05,900 --> 02:12:11,940
Okay, so the reason I ask that is, is like, change in T5 I agree with our comp plan.

1258
02:12:11,940 --> 02:12:17,120
But I don't think T5 is going on that property until kindergarten Morgan moved, you know what I'm saying?

1259
02:12:17,260 --> 02:12:22,860
Like as long as kindergarten Morgan is there, I think that property is M2 or M1 or whatever.

1260
02:12:23,100 --> 02:12:24,720
It doesn't make sense to me.

1261
02:12:25,060 --> 02:12:35,640
So, with that being said, and I'm not against OW, it makes sense to me, but I know we did it on the landscaping company.

1262
02:12:36,020 --> 02:12:40,520
There's no way we can change it to M1 and then change it back to T5.

1263
02:12:40,520 --> 02:12:47,960
so they're grandfathered in as an M1 with that use and all as well because like

1264
02:12:47,960 --> 02:12:52,260
literally those two properties go together you know and it's not going to

1265
02:12:52,260 --> 02:12:56,940
change the T5 until they both go or at least kind of more in the gas tank parts

1266
02:12:56,940 --> 02:13:00,120
going you know so there's any way we can do that because I know we did it with

1267
02:13:00,120 --> 02:13:07,760
the landscape and company right there on new peach tree and longmire it is

1268
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:12,120
something we have done. I will say I was not personally in favor of doing that.

1269
02:13:12,620 --> 02:13:20,220
Why is that? Having the city do somebody else's work on their working on

1270
02:13:20,220 --> 02:13:24,040
somebody else's behalf and you know kind of giving them preferential

1271
02:13:24,040 --> 02:13:33,100
treatment. So I would recommend we not do that in this case. I would use the mayor's

1272
02:13:33,100 --> 02:13:39,080
language, you know, to try to get to yes. I think that it could work in the constraints

1273
02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:46,620
of our own comprehensive plan would or less all agree on. But also maybe make some tweaks

1274
02:13:46,620 --> 02:13:51,560
for the westlies of the future who want to move into these old warehouse buildings that

1275
02:13:51,560 --> 02:13:52,480
we have scattered around.

1276
02:13:56,600 --> 02:14:01,920
Okay, I mean, that makes sense, in the sense it shows favoritism, like that's what we want.

1277
02:14:02,020 --> 02:14:05,280
We'll make it work and we'll do it this way as opposed to leaving it open.

1278
02:14:05,420 --> 02:14:06,000
Okay, I understand.

1279
02:14:07,560 --> 02:14:07,980
Thank you.

1280
02:14:09,240 --> 02:14:12,620
My question is for this one's for wise guys.

1281
02:14:13,380 --> 02:14:20,500
So is the, it sounded like you were leaning towards M1, you would prefer M1 zoning, is that

1282
02:14:20,500 --> 02:14:20,820
correct?

1283
02:14:20,820 --> 02:14:31,040
or in Kinder Morgan too is what I heard, okay, was the problem with OW the outside parking, was that really the main deal breaker?

1284
02:14:31,400 --> 02:14:39,500
So there's two parts to it, there's the outdoor parking of vehicles, but then there's also the outdoor parking of equipment, either of those are allowed under OW right now.

1285
02:14:39,980 --> 02:14:45,740
So that is kind of the issue of, what's your equipment, it's just your trucks with the stuff on it, right or is there a route to it?

1286
02:14:45,740 --> 02:14:53,220
So we've got, you know, we have trailers, we have a boom lift, a 55 foot boom lift that would be parked out there, we have

1287
02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:59,460
That wasn't shown in the picture wasn't no, no, we have a at our current

1288
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,980
On a location, we have an outdoor area that's fenced off on the side of the building. And so that's where we're storing. So because our business is so seasonal, there are times where it makes sense for us to winterize equipment and put outside. So that way it's out of circulation as we're working on holiday lights, for example. So, you know, part of the idea is to, you know, by putting that fencing across the front of the property, that provides the eight foot privacy fencing. And so that would provide a similar effect as what happened at Longmire.

1289
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:34,520
to where you can't see whether we have trucks or equipment parked outside, which at that

1290
02:15:34,520 --> 02:15:40,000
point, if that fences up, doesn't really change much in terms of the difference between

1291
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:42,060
OW and M1 in terms of for the corridor.

1292
02:15:42,640 --> 02:15:47,800
I think that one of the things to keep in mind when it comes to M1 is that the heaviest uses

1293
02:15:47,800 --> 02:15:53,300
of M1 do require a conditional use permit, which means that they would still have to come

1294
02:15:53,300 --> 02:15:54,720
before you want to get approval on that.

1295
02:15:54,720 --> 02:16:01,420
It's not that if it's M1, you know, when I sell the property, you know, 50 years from now, there can be a concrete plant there.

1296
02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:04,020
So, I think it's important to keep that in mind as well.

1297
02:16:05,220 --> 02:16:18,680
And, you know, I think the other part of it too is that, you know, this property is currently being paying taxes on this, you know, special use district in terms of being a part of the tank farm district.

1298
02:16:18,680 --> 02:16:24,920
That tax is roughly $22,000 a year, but is going towards the seven acres of that terminal.

1299
02:16:25,720 --> 02:16:31,440
As was mentioned by the Finance Manager, some of that excess money wasn't used and it's being able to go towards sidewalks.

1300
02:16:31,940 --> 02:16:37,200
One of the reasons why I do believe that it should be in the tank farm district is that I'm not opposed to continuing to pay that.

1301
02:16:37,720 --> 02:16:45,620
I think that if this property is considered a part of the Buford Highway Cultural Quarter, then we're not having semi trucks driving by.

1302
02:16:45,620 --> 02:16:55,540
I don't know why that tax wouldn't need to continue, so it's kind of, and I think that's part of this whole thing, is that if this property was in the tank farm district, M1 is the preferred zoning.

1303
02:16:56,160 --> 02:17:12,920
So a lot of this complexity all stems from the fact that, and the comprehensive plan as it was written before, the terminal was also part of T5, so the fact that the terminal is now being recognized as a part of the tank farm district.

1304
02:17:12,920 --> 02:17:20,860
I don't understand why the property next door wouldn't also be recognized in it, so that's I guess part of that

1305
02:17:20,860 --> 02:17:26,520
So again, at least my next question was for Austin if we change to OW. Does it take it out the SSD?

1306
02:17:27,600 --> 02:17:34,000
No, not immediately. Okay, but I mean just to the intent of the SSD was you know all the

1307
02:17:35,380 --> 02:17:38,440
So the properties that were included were the ones that were generating?

1308
02:17:39,160 --> 02:17:39,840
No, it's fine.

1309
02:17:39,960 --> 02:17:43,580
The reason I ask is because there were some properties back on Winner's Chapel that were

1310
02:17:43,580 --> 02:17:48,140
not for the tank farms, but we included them in the SSD specifically because this properties

1311
02:17:48,140 --> 02:17:54,160
can be converted to a tank farm if they were included with this factor into that as well.

1312
02:17:54,440 --> 02:17:55,860
Because I know that was the main decision.

1313
02:17:56,000 --> 02:17:58,360
I think the only one that got out, there was two properties.

1314
02:17:58,500 --> 02:18:03,420
I know one was a glass manufacturer because the lot was too small and something else across

1315
02:18:03,980 --> 02:18:06,520
that's right, where wood one meets winter chapel.

1316
02:18:07,140 --> 02:18:11,480
Pinch all might know when he comes up, but is, yeah,

1317
02:18:11,680 --> 02:18:14,960
so would it stay in, because it still could be part

1318
02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:18,320
of a tank farm if it converted back, or does OW cancel that?

1319
02:18:18,960 --> 02:18:21,140
I don't think the zoning has anything to do with it.

1320
02:18:21,160 --> 02:18:21,360
Okay.

1321
02:18:23,610 --> 02:18:24,650
Decision that we've done.

1322
02:18:25,010 --> 02:18:25,290
Okay.

1323
02:18:27,050 --> 02:18:28,330
Yeah, no, I understand.

1324
02:18:28,910 --> 02:18:31,630
Um, all right, that's all I got.

1325
02:18:31,630 --> 02:18:36,170
I guess next, Council Member Nasser, let's go.

1326
02:18:39,370 --> 02:18:44,370
I don't have much question on the question is, so I'm trying to figure that so it is going

1327
02:18:44,370 --> 02:18:48,010
to be aligned with our comprehensive plan.

1328
02:18:49,470 --> 02:18:58,170
In the current plan, neither in one or OW are contemplated in the upcoming one in the

1329
02:18:58,170 --> 02:19:06,850
You've heard how in character area, OW, one of the zoning that is recommended or allowed if the conditions are appropriate.

1330
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:15,230
So, for example, if it's an old warehouse building, there's more considerations for that in the new one than there were in the old one.

1331
02:19:15,570 --> 02:19:18,350
But M1 is not in that scope.

1332
02:19:18,350 --> 02:19:28,280
So also going back the fence line, and I'm sorry, the question, the fence, you'll be

1333
02:19:28,280 --> 02:19:35,720
willing to put that fence line, so it's not going to be kind of seen from the street.

1334
02:19:36,240 --> 02:19:39,540
Like basically that fence line I'm talking about, that's what you're willing to do.

1335
02:19:39,980 --> 02:19:40,140
Yeah.

1336
02:19:40,500 --> 02:19:45,800
What about the, are you helping us do any sidewalk work or that's something that's still?

1337
02:19:45,800 --> 02:19:46,440
is still.

1338
02:19:47,800 --> 02:19:50,000
Austin, do you want to answer that on the sidewalk piece?

1339
02:19:54,230 --> 02:19:57,170
So, as it stands right now, the sidewalk project

1340
02:19:57,170 --> 02:19:58,870
my understanding is being federally funded,

1341
02:19:58,870 --> 02:19:59,870
and it was already it.

1342
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:27,940
So the plan is that that would become from that. The idea is that the sidewall or the fence that's there currently is rusted, it looks terrible. There's barbed wire on top and it's only about six feet tall, maybe. So the idea is what we would do is we would replace that fence and then, you know, install the city preferred method of fence of the vinyl code of black chain link chain link ends with the privacy slats.

1343
02:20:27,940 --> 02:20:37,500
And so this is exactly what we would do in terms of on this property, for a couple of reasons one, is that I think it looks good.

1344
02:20:38,020 --> 02:20:39,860
I think it looks much better than what's there now.

1345
02:20:40,060 --> 02:20:46,840
And I think part of what I want to do, my goal is not to be just another one of the thousand businesses in Dorville.

1346
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:47,700
That's not the goal.

1347
02:20:48,160 --> 02:20:54,700
And I think that everything that I've done through this whole process in terms of conversating with Austin, with Albert, reaching out to all of you all that are up here.

1348
02:20:54,700 --> 02:20:58,720
I think I've tried to make that very clear that I'm not just looking for the minimum.

1349
02:20:59,120 --> 02:21:03,600
So the minimum would be to put the fence up, not do the public art, not do the trees,

1350
02:21:03,760 --> 02:21:07,980
not do the benches or the landscaping below it as well.

1351
02:21:09,020 --> 02:21:15,960
The reason I was saying I have seen City of Chambley, a friend of mine opened up a business over next to the Chambley, a farmer's market.

1352
02:21:15,960 --> 02:21:19,060
and City made them do a whole sidewalk.

1353
02:21:20,740 --> 02:21:26,060
But I don't know, was it 24, was the length of the new-

1354
02:21:26,060 --> 02:21:29,500
The front of the frontage of the property?

1355
02:21:29,700 --> 02:21:31,360
Right, it's 200 feet across.

1356
02:21:32,140 --> 02:21:36,480
City made him do the sidewalk before they proved anything.

1357
02:21:37,220 --> 02:21:45,240
So that's in my mind, say, well, since you are doing a lot of improvements to the property,

1358
02:21:45,860 --> 02:21:51,420
Can't need to be part of it on your portion, so at least sit down and have touch it.

1359
02:21:51,920 --> 02:21:53,820
Yeah, I think that's a really fair question.

1360
02:21:53,960 --> 02:21:58,200
I think in full transparency, I mean, we're not that big of a company.

1361
02:21:58,840 --> 02:22:00,300
And this is a pretty big property.

1362
02:22:00,560 --> 02:22:04,840
This is kind of a stretch in terms of for us to be able to purchase a property like this.

1363
02:22:04,920 --> 02:22:09,020
If it wasn't for all of the surrounding areas, right next to the terminal,

1364
02:22:09,020 --> 02:22:12,920
the railroad tracks behind it, the pipeline, we wouldn't be able to afford the property.

1365
02:22:12,920 --> 02:22:26,000
So, us being in a position where we're already going to have to put roughly $2 million in just to get the building to where we can operate out of we're kind of running out of money to be able to actually run an effective business.

1366
02:22:26,200 --> 02:22:30,780
The frontage right here to put in perspective that alone is roughly $50,000.

1367
02:22:31,340 --> 02:22:37,200
And that's on the low end with us being hopefully being able to use some of the existing posts that are in the fence right now.

1368
02:22:37,200 --> 02:22:48,980
So it's not so much, it's more a matter of, you know, that, you know, and keep in mind, too, this isn't a normal sidewalk either.

1369
02:22:49,420 --> 02:22:53,840
The plan calls for a 12-foot multimodal sidewalk that also has.

1370
02:22:54,400 --> 02:23:01,240
So that's part of it, too. You know, this was a standard sidewalk, and that was part of my original plan was to put a sidewalk in the front.

1371
02:23:01,240 --> 02:23:08,860
but this is a massive sidewalk, this is the exact same type that's in front of the current downtown center right now, what's being built.

1372
02:23:11,960 --> 02:23:14,100
Thank you, that's all my question.

1373
02:23:15,540 --> 02:23:17,420
Thank you, Council Member Nasser.

1374
02:23:17,720 --> 02:23:26,960
And to his point, Austin, if they were required to do a sidewalk, could all get torn up for the plan that's coming down, new peat tree, correct?

1375
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:34,300
Correct, and then the multi-use path that we're working on right now is actually taking one of the lanes of new peach tree road

1376
02:23:34,300 --> 02:23:37,540
So yeah, it really wouldn't make sense for just one property to build it

1377
02:23:39,840 --> 02:23:42,280
In other words, he'd be throwing money away

1378
02:23:42,280 --> 02:23:44,920
Yes, what that is because we do have a plan

1379
02:23:45,860 --> 02:23:53,220
Naomi came up with that and she started it right and we went through and we're in engineering now and it's like next year

1380
02:23:53,220 --> 02:23:54,880
You're going to start because we got funded.

1381
02:23:55,200 --> 02:23:55,500
I wish.

1382
02:23:56,200 --> 02:23:56,900
Two years.

1383
02:23:57,380 --> 02:23:57,600
I wish.

1384
02:23:57,820 --> 02:24:02,860
The process is long and it's been delayed since we are overlapping with the top end project.

1385
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:04,620
We have to do a lot more practice.

1386
02:24:06,720 --> 02:24:07,680
Just to answer.

1387
02:24:09,460 --> 02:24:10,420
Thank you.

1388
02:24:10,520 --> 02:24:15,340
Thank you because I have seen I have about two or three of my friends who had a business on before highway,

1389
02:24:15,820 --> 02:24:20,840
which is City of Shamley made them do the sidewalk first before they do any other improvements.

1390
02:24:20,840 --> 02:24:24,320
and they did not even give them any permit until they agreed to it.

1391
02:24:25,300 --> 02:24:32,480
And only their partial of that property, they had to build a sidewalk by the rest of it just sitting, doing nothing.

1392
02:24:33,560 --> 02:24:35,940
That's why I just asked, but thank you.

1393
02:24:37,020 --> 02:24:37,720
Councilmember Evans.

1394
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:40,180
Thank you, Mayor Proton.

1395
02:24:40,500 --> 02:24:41,560
And thank you all for being here.

1396
02:24:43,800 --> 02:24:45,040
No, I have to agree with staff.

1397
02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:49,680
I think following our comprehensive plan with the long-term plans that we've

1398
02:24:49,680 --> 02:24:54,500
drawn out in what the future holds for that area. I still think it will be a

1399
02:24:54,500 --> 02:24:58,620
tank form but would love to have a business like you all in that space so we can

1400
02:24:58,620 --> 02:24:59,880
and make it work with thinness.

1401
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:29,200
The zoning change that we can kind of with the mayor suggested regarding some tax amendments, I think, would be the best approach. And really meeting a future characteristics of what that area should be. Just really against doing like spot zoning, because it really opens the doors for other businesses. And again, it was mentioned earlier, like, favorable treatment. And I don't want to set that president. And I have safety concerns more than anything being so close to the tank form.

1402
02:25:29,200 --> 02:25:35,760
And yes, it's a pedestrian area in the future, but I personally don't want people hanging around there

1403
02:25:35,760 --> 02:25:41,900
I just think that's what the best to keep it locked down as much as possible and just more of a pass-through area

1404
02:25:41,900 --> 02:25:46,340
So but to have businesses back there coming and going that's perfect for it

1405
02:25:47,140 --> 02:25:50,320
But the use long term to match our comp plan will be my preference

1406
02:25:51,260 --> 02:25:55,880
If I had a question it would be related to the space as you mentioned

1407
02:25:55,880 --> 02:26:03,600
Are you planning to be the only business in that building?

1408
02:26:04,340 --> 02:26:13,100
No, so the plan is eventually yes, the plan would be to be the only operator out of the business.

1409
02:26:13,680 --> 02:26:16,160
But this is a 34,000 square foot building.

1410
02:26:16,720 --> 02:26:19,060
We're currently operating out of 14,000 square feet.

1411
02:26:20,600 --> 02:26:23,640
So obviously this is kind of a lot more building than we have right now.

1412
02:26:23,640 --> 02:26:31,660
And also, the economics of us being able to financially support a building like this as well as the renovations that would be necessary to be able to even get a CO.

1413
02:26:33,000 --> 02:26:46,900
The only way to be able to do that is to sub-lease part of the building, and so that would be the plan as we expand, we then extend into those other suites to eventually be the sole operator out of the building.

1414
02:26:50,310 --> 02:27:01,590
You already have plans for those types of businesses of what they would be, and that they're an agreement with the zoning type and etc, like fitting the narrative of what's going to be here.

1415
02:27:02,090 --> 02:27:07,870
Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, I have not spent any time in terms of trying to solicit, you know, subtenants.

1416
02:27:07,870 --> 02:27:19,230
I think part of it was, I mean, I'm roughly 10 months into this journey, I've spent $150,000 that I would never get back in terms of on.

1417
02:27:20,030 --> 02:27:28,950
environmental inspections, property inspections, legal fees, so forth, it's kind of like, I was the crazy one that continued on to this process, which is why I thought I would never even get to this point.

1418
02:27:29,070 --> 02:27:30,950
There was so many opportunities for it to get shot down.

1419
02:27:31,690 --> 02:27:34,330
And so, no, I have not thought about that at all.

1420
02:27:36,510 --> 02:27:41,670
I have thought about what I would look for in terms of end one of those tenants.

1421
02:27:42,590 --> 02:27:47,150
And I think part of it is that obviously that tenant has to be a part of the same zoning that we have.

1422
02:27:47,150 --> 02:27:58,130
So if we're zone for M1 and that tenant also has to be zone for M1, you know, I've thought likely contractor service office warehouse or distribution, you know, really the idea that was that we're going to be there.

1423
02:27:58,170 --> 02:28:06,450
So we want a good neighbor, we want another good business that's going to be next door. This isn't an investment property for us. This is like we're looking for a home.

1424
02:28:07,050 --> 02:28:11,610
And so, you know, it's kind of like renting out a room of your house, but you're still living in the house.

1425
02:28:11,610 --> 02:28:18,150
So, the idea is that all these harsh industrial uses that we think of, you know, potentially

1426
02:28:18,150 --> 02:28:21,790
think of M1, we don't want that either, we don't want those next door either.

1427
02:28:22,430 --> 02:28:30,650
So I think, you know, in terms of the hazards that you've expressed as well, that's something

1428
02:28:30,650 --> 02:28:37,930
that we've studied up on in terms of what caused those fires, the fires that took place

1429
02:28:37,930 --> 02:28:43,870
in 1972 and you know through the research of that both with me and with Rick you know

1430
02:28:43,870 --> 02:28:47,430
with Kinder Morgan that knows a lot more about terminals than I do what calls those

1431
02:28:47,430 --> 02:28:50,690
fires were mistakes of the terminal itself and not what was next door to it.

1432
02:28:51,050 --> 02:28:57,030
So I think that the that's part of the reason why I feel confident as well that you know we're

1433
02:28:57,030 --> 02:28:59,930
not going to be a part of the problem we want to be a part of the solution.

1434
02:29:00,290 --> 02:29:05,790
And I think one of the tech amendments will address the storage based on that I guess limited

1435
02:29:05,790 --> 02:29:08,190
in the vehicles, for example, outside storage?

1436
02:29:09,010 --> 02:29:10,890
Are you all amendable to that if it's OW?

1437
02:29:11,330 --> 02:29:17,150
I would prefer not to do OW with an amendable, with language there,

1438
02:29:17,310 --> 02:29:21,170
because I don't necessarily know exactly what that would entail.

1439
02:29:22,030 --> 02:29:27,830
And what we would be permitted and not permitted, it's kind of coming out of

1440
02:29:27,830 --> 02:29:30,010
the left field in terms of not something that was discussed.

1441
02:29:30,490 --> 02:29:33,850
You know, in terms of in the planning commission meeting, when I sat down with

1442
02:29:33,850 --> 02:29:36,070
Austin and Albert, I asked both of them.

1443
02:29:36,290 --> 02:29:41,610
I even asked in the last meeting if there was a way to work with OW and Albert said that there wasn't.

1444
02:29:42,050 --> 02:29:48,890
So I guess it's kind of hard for me to be open to something that was not a part of the conversation at all of this whole process.

1445
02:29:49,350 --> 02:29:55,650
My goal is to, I don't want to be adversarial to what the city's trying to do, or what staff's trying to do.

1446
02:29:56,110 --> 02:29:59,750
And that's part of why I met with them was kind of like, how can we come together?

1447
02:29:59,750 --> 02:29:59,890
Alright.

1448
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,660
I think ultimately we all want the same thing in terms of for that corridor to become more walkable and become something other than just the back of Beavert Highway. That's what that corridor is right now. There's not a single bit of private investment along the entire strip of new piece here right now. On the north side of it, you've got Marta that owns most of that land, the only other landowner is Kinder Morgan. We would be the first privately owned owner of land between Oakcliffe and 285. Is that correct, Austin?

1449
02:30:32,140 --> 02:30:45,180
So I want to actually regarding that so the conversation on limited storage limited vehicles what does that look like if that's a tax amendment? Is there a potential proposal on that if it's OW?

1450
02:30:45,560 --> 02:30:59,120
Yeah, I mean if we're doing a tax amendment, I mean there's a lot of things on the table if this is the kind of this is the kind of use or the, you know, the use of a property that councils okay with, you know, having

1451
02:30:59,900 --> 02:31:06,160
Leap vehicles and, you know, maybe some screened outdoor storage and stuff like that, you know, that's something that we could incorporate into that.

1452
02:31:07,820 --> 02:31:09,700
Yeah, most of these are just a couple of cents.

1453
02:31:09,960 --> 02:31:10,740
It sounds easy enough.

1454
02:31:10,860 --> 02:31:15,040
I just want to make sure we bring it back for a first read.

1455
02:31:15,040 --> 02:31:16,000
We'll see if I got you.

1456
02:31:16,240 --> 02:31:18,560
Well, yeah, I think screening would be helpful as well.

1457
02:31:18,740 --> 02:31:19,960
It seems like you're all OK with that.

1458
02:31:20,380 --> 02:31:22,260
And what I didn't see here was signage.

1459
02:31:22,840 --> 02:31:24,980
I'm a big fan of signage.

1460
02:31:25,140 --> 02:31:26,940
So having a wise guy sign and letting

1461
02:31:26,940 --> 02:31:29,000
you know that your business is there would be great.

1462
02:31:29,200 --> 02:31:30,580
So if you're open to that as well.

1463
02:31:30,860 --> 02:31:31,360
I would love it.

1464
02:31:31,600 --> 02:31:33,080
I mean, there's a sign right there.

1465
02:31:33,260 --> 02:31:35,640
The old little lollipop signs not looking too good

1466
02:31:35,640 --> 02:31:40,340
right now. You know, I think, uh, you know, yeah, I'd love to have a sign, you know, that

1467
02:31:40,340 --> 02:31:46,200
would be out front, um, you know, of the property, uh, for sure. Yeah, I think that would be

1468
02:31:46,200 --> 02:31:46,380
good.

1469
02:31:46,860 --> 02:31:50,720
Great. Those are the only questions. Thank you. Thank you.

1470
02:31:50,960 --> 02:31:55,480
Cancel one more thing started on your question. Um, you know, something that I mentioned earlier

1471
02:31:55,480 --> 02:32:01,020
is that we're, uh, kind of running out of time when it comes to this, uh, project.

1472
02:32:03,900 --> 02:32:04,260
What I

1473
02:32:04,260 --> 02:32:09,040
submit for a permit in two weeks is the hope that by the end of this month, we'd be able to submit for a permit.

1474
02:32:09,200 --> 02:32:11,280
We already have an architect that's drafting all the drawings.

1475
02:32:11,820 --> 02:32:14,700
We should be turning it over to MEP in a couple days.

1476
02:32:15,440 --> 02:32:22,280
And so if there's any way that we can, if the council feels that they have the information to make a decision on this.

1477
02:32:23,100 --> 02:32:24,980
I ask that if we can, that'd be great.

1478
02:32:25,420 --> 02:32:28,600
Obviously if the council feels that more information is needed, I understand.

1479
02:32:29,080 --> 02:32:33,340
but the challenge for us is that our lease at our current space is coming up soon.

1480
02:32:34,040 --> 02:32:37,880
And there's going to take multiple months for us to the renovations that are needed to move in.

1481
02:32:38,460 --> 02:32:42,020
And the challenge is that we're right in the middle of the holiday season as well,

1482
02:32:42,140 --> 02:32:44,860
what's coming up in terms of with Thanksgiving and Christmas and so forth.

1483
02:32:45,100 --> 02:32:49,780
That we need about 12 weeks minimum to be able to do what we need to do.

1484
02:32:50,440 --> 02:32:57,760
And so, you know, that's the other part of part, that's the other reason of part of why

1485
02:32:57,760 --> 02:33:03,400
I'm not as excited about doing a tax amendment as it adds more time to the process, you know,

1486
02:33:03,600 --> 02:33:05,300
and yeah.

1487
02:33:05,660 --> 02:33:10,160
And this is the first read, so if we don't weigh first read, you're at least waiting 30

1488
02:33:10,160 --> 02:33:14,820
days right there, so Council Member Ray.

1489
02:33:16,480 --> 02:33:17,380
Yeah, thank you.

1490
02:33:18,760 --> 02:33:21,440
I think first I'll start with Austin.

1491
02:33:21,700 --> 02:33:26,720
So with O&W, if I'm reading the use table, right, it doesn't permit this type of business

1492
02:33:26,720 --> 02:33:29,420
because they need the outside storage for their trucks, right?

1493
02:33:29,940 --> 02:33:32,220
I mean, that would be the textbook that we're talking about.

1494
02:33:32,980 --> 02:33:33,380
Okay.

1495
02:33:33,560 --> 02:33:35,840
There's a couple of different uses like contractors with storage

1496
02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:37,700
and stuff like that that are in the table currently

1497
02:33:37,700 --> 02:33:39,700
that, you know, we could make permitted

1498
02:33:39,700 --> 02:33:42,860
and then tinker with the language on vehicles

1499
02:33:42,860 --> 02:33:44,400
and storage and things like that.

1500
02:33:45,060 --> 02:33:46,900
Just, you know, based on the conversation

1501
02:33:47,840 --> 02:33:48,960
that we've had tonight.

1502
02:33:49,340 --> 02:33:49,500
Yeah.

1503
02:33:49,680 --> 02:33:52,000
But that would be the things that would be included in that.

1504
02:33:52,060 --> 02:33:52,300
Okay.

1505
02:33:52,300 --> 02:34:13,140
And then when it comes to M1, West mentioned a lot of the heavier uses require conditional use permits, but what are the uses in M1 kind of by right that you would be concerned with, especially considering the long term plans of this being a pedestrian area?

1506
02:34:13,140 --> 02:34:17,460
Yeah, well, I think I printed some of these out.

1507
02:34:28,890 --> 02:34:31,790
I think it's page 20, are you screens working?

1508
02:34:34,420 --> 02:34:36,980
It was page 20 in the staff report just for future.

1509
02:34:37,600 --> 02:34:43,600
So black smithing for some reason is permitted by right.

1510
02:34:44,700 --> 02:34:47,740
A lot of these are carried over from old versions of the code.

1511
02:34:47,960 --> 02:34:53,800
So it just has a gun smithing plumbing

1512
02:34:53,800 --> 02:34:59,060
shops, pest control, tree cutting service, textile manufacturing plant.

1513
02:35:01,260 --> 02:35:04,340
All in storage facilities. I guess that one's kind of a warehouse thing, too.

1514
02:35:07,880 --> 02:35:17,440
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't want to go through the whole list. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I see. So I see passenger terminal. Is that, is that like a bus service? Yeah. Best Depot.

1515
02:35:20,640 --> 02:35:23,740
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

1516
02:35:27,100 --> 02:35:32,980
Yeah. Okay. I might have more questions for you all, but that's it for now. Next question.

1517
02:35:32,980 --> 02:35:34,820
And then just one for kindergarten Morgan.

1518
02:35:35,160 --> 02:35:37,740
So they are selling the property to you, correct, Wes?

1519
02:35:39,880 --> 02:35:45,440
So I'm just curious, why does kindergarten care, what it gets re-zoned to if they're selling the property?

1520
02:35:46,580 --> 02:35:51,100
What future plans do they have if they're selling it, why does it matter what can go there?

1521
02:35:51,100 --> 02:35:51,800
The

1522
02:35:54,300 --> 02:35:58,580
alignment of the sail also gives a lot of control to the flight.

1523
02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:02,540
Arpeggio is currently in the tank district by keeping it in the tank.

1524
02:36:03,060 --> 02:36:09,000
The plane can buzz in the tank and not put it in the

1525
02:36:11,880 --> 02:36:12,100
tank.

1526
02:36:12,380 --> 02:36:15,900
So we feel that keeping it in the tank corridor with the pipe lines

1527
02:36:17,640 --> 02:36:23,420
as well as in the close-priced proximity as west of the engine at the end.

1528
02:36:23,420 --> 02:36:24,380
Our

1529
02:36:26,940 --> 02:36:31,200
goal as well is to have a good 10th next to us as mentioned as

1530
02:36:33,440 --> 02:36:35,660
well as the zone for the deep

1531
02:36:35,660 --> 02:36:41,180
restrictions that we have in the property area. So we feel it's the best use for you, for us,

1532
02:36:41,380 --> 02:36:44,120
and for the prospective buyer to have a number one.

1533
02:36:45,320 --> 02:36:46,140
Okay, thank you.

1534
02:36:46,240 --> 02:36:48,160
The property in the tank district.

1535
02:36:49,680 --> 02:36:51,640
Yep, okay, thank you.

1536
02:36:53,600 --> 02:36:57,600
The last question, I think, or the last couple for Wes here.

1537
02:36:58,400 --> 02:37:00,260
So, I understand you're in a hurry.

1538
02:37:00,420 --> 02:37:03,440
I will say outright, I'm in favor of this use case.

1539
02:37:03,660 --> 02:37:06,500
I think we're, Owen W's probably a little too restrictive

1540
02:37:06,500 --> 02:37:08,080
if this is not allowed.

1541
02:37:08,480 --> 02:37:11,560
I'm very happy you want to be in door, so I'm in favor of this use case.

1542
02:37:13,080 --> 02:37:16,100
I obviously didn't get to go through this entire list either.

1543
02:37:16,520 --> 02:37:20,860
I do have long-term concerns with having it M1 just by right.

1544
02:37:20,860 --> 02:37:35,400
I understand that it is restricted, we're not going to build housing and stuff there, but bus depot if we have a multi-use path, and there's a bus depot there, that's very concerning, and I know your long-term plans are not to have that, but we can't control that, so those are my concerns.

1545
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:58,360
outside of that I know you would prefer to just get M1 and get moving on this and I understand that but if Austin and the team came back with the text amendments that allowed for your business and everything it does just by right and it's not a problem would you would you still be open to that and moving your business here.

1546
02:37:58,900 --> 02:38:05,580
I mean, I think, you know, to answer your question about the bus terminal, there can't be a bus terminal there based on the deed restrictions.

1547
02:38:05,880 --> 02:38:14,120
So part of the property is that on one hand, you've got the zoning restrictions piece, then you have the deed restrictions on the property itself, and there's a lot of them.

1548
02:38:14,500 --> 02:38:20,440
I mean, like in the packet, just to correct that the passenger terminal is not highlighted as one that's prohibited by the deed.

1549
02:38:20,820 --> 02:38:27,060
It's not, but kindergarten also didn't actually verify all the uses that were in the slideshow because that was the staff's report.

1550
02:38:27,060 --> 02:38:32,920
So we they haven't had a chance to actually look to verify that that is actually it's a pretty long list

1551
02:38:32,920 --> 02:38:33,840
So I think

1552
02:38:34,720 --> 02:38:38,820
It's there's kind of some areas that are up in the air when it comes on the different uses there

1553
02:38:39,540 --> 02:38:40,500
so I think

1554
02:38:41,500 --> 02:38:47,700
It's not that I'm not it's not so much that I'm opposed to it. I mean ultimately if that's my only option

1555
02:38:47,700 --> 02:38:52,480
I mean, I don't I think really, you know, that's kind of where we're at, you know, is that

1556
02:38:53,060 --> 02:38:56,080
You know through this whole process all I've tried to do is be transparent

1557
02:38:56,080 --> 02:39:06,020
You know, I've kind of sought, you know, y'all's opinions of like, how can I make this, you know, work, you know reaching out to Albert and also multiple times. I think it's kind of like, uh,

1558
02:39:07,800 --> 02:39:24,420
So I mean, yeah, like if that's the only option, then I don't see, you know, why, um, if there's a path there, I guess where it gets a little bit muddy to me is like, what's the point of even like in one zoning, if you look at the list right here, I've got in front of me, there's not much here that's really all that scary.

1559
02:39:24,420 --> 02:39:30,380
Like you're talking about, and again, it goes to the conditional use permits where there's

1560
02:39:30,380 --> 02:39:34,700
almost an entire page of conditional use permits when it comes to M1.

1561
02:39:35,320 --> 02:39:40,820
If we look at the page where it's by right, you're talking about like swimming pool sales

1562
02:39:40,820 --> 02:39:47,060
and service, appliance repair, I think there's this misconception that M1 is, there's a significant

1563
02:39:47,060 --> 02:39:48,700
gap between M2 and M1.

1564
02:39:48,700 --> 02:39:57,680
And so, if there was text language in terms of with OW, then at that point, they're very similar.

1565
02:39:58,160 --> 02:39:59,960
And it's kind of like a...

1566
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:28,920
That point, it's almost like, do you make even more of a change? It's almost like why you have both of them. It's kind of how I see it when it comes to that. So, I'm, again, I, you know, I'm in favor of what the city is trying to accomplish with the pastry, you know, view for highway cultural corridor, whether we are a part of that corridor in terms of officially or unofficially either way, the property borders on it. I think that, you know, when you look at an OW use case, you know, there's a lot,

1567
02:40:28,920 --> 02:40:34,960
that the property, one of the things that we want to do is remove semi-trucks from the roads,

1568
02:40:35,400 --> 02:40:39,620
tankers and semi-trucks. Right now there's semi-trucks, there's tankers that are driving in and out

1569
02:40:39,620 --> 02:40:45,960
of that property constantly. And so, by, if we convert this to M1 and you take it basically out of the

1570
02:40:45,960 --> 02:40:50,840
hands of, of Kinder Morgan in terms of being able to operate, you know, oil out of it, you're essentially

1571
02:40:50,840 --> 02:40:55,500
eliminating kind of the harshest use of what could happen there. And so, you know, and I know that,

1572
02:40:55,500 --> 02:41:02,740
But one of the big things in terms of like for you personally is the walkability of the quarter and the bikeability of the quarter is really important.

1573
02:41:03,280 --> 02:41:10,380
For one of the ways that we want to help with that is that right now there's two entrances that are directly onto new peace tree from the property.

1574
02:41:10,940 --> 02:41:15,680
They're both open, tamper trucks are driving through both of them all day long.

1575
02:41:16,180 --> 02:41:19,820
As circle K is the tenant over there right now that's parking trucks there.

1576
02:41:19,820 --> 02:41:28,280
And so one of the things that we're proposing as well, that I didn't mention earlier, is that one of those entrances be used as an emergency only entrance.

1577
02:41:28,700 --> 02:41:37,400
So basically what we would be doing is we would be shutting off one of those entrances to where there would only be one point of conflict in terms of vehicles and pedestrians.

1578
02:41:38,280 --> 02:41:40,780
And so as a way to further reduce that.

1579
02:41:40,780 --> 02:41:50,180
So I think when it comes to OW and a lot of the uses require a lot of semi trucks coming in and out in terms of to load up the warehouse and so forth.

1580
02:41:51,020 --> 02:42:04,580
When it comes to M1, I'm not saying that that can't happen there, but that is one of the benefits of M1 is that a lot of the uses are not driving as many of the large trucks.

1581
02:42:05,240 --> 02:42:12,240
Yes. Okay. Thank you for that. I think what I'll say, if one, I really like the road

1582
02:42:12,240 --> 02:42:16,940
frontage improvements, I think whatever happens that needs to happen, just to, especially

1583
02:42:16,940 --> 02:42:22,220
considering that multi-use path, I agree that we need to handle the multi-use path ourselves

1584
02:42:22,220 --> 02:42:29,000
given the scope of that project. At the moment, if I'm being honest with you, I could go either

1585
02:42:29,000 --> 02:42:34,160
other way, M1 or OW, and my problem with that is just looking through this list of by-right,

1586
02:42:34,240 --> 02:42:35,520
not even the conditional use ones.

1587
02:42:35,520 --> 02:42:41,580
There's a textile manufacturing plant and the passenger terminal, and there's enough

1588
02:42:41,580 --> 02:42:46,380
things, and to your point, it wasn't verified by Ken and Morgan's lawyers either on the deeds.

1589
02:42:46,960 --> 02:42:51,500
But without that, I just don't feel I have enough information to make a recommendation to

1590
02:42:51,500 --> 02:42:56,300
M1, because I need to understand that if you decide to sell the property at some point, and it

1591
02:42:56,300 --> 02:43:01,020
is in one what it could possibly go there that affects our pedestrian's all in those roads.

1592
02:43:01,160 --> 02:43:06,760
The long-term goal is across the street to have multi-use housing and apartments and

1593
02:43:06,760 --> 02:43:07,360
things like that.

1594
02:43:07,540 --> 02:43:11,920
So I think there's just a risk there right now that I have an unknown entity.

1595
02:43:12,180 --> 02:43:17,220
I don't know what's allowed there by the deed, so I would want to know, I would want to have

1596
02:43:17,220 --> 02:43:19,620
that fleshed out before I could recommend in one.

1597
02:43:19,740 --> 02:43:25,340
I'm not saying I'm fully against it, but if the goal would be to waive first read today,

1598
02:43:25,340 --> 02:43:31,440
I would have to go OWU with the ask that we find a way to make it work for you.

1599
02:43:31,580 --> 02:43:35,520
If you really want M1 and I'm not guaranteeing I would go that way, but I need to better

1600
02:43:35,520 --> 02:43:39,620
understand what could possibly go there in the event who decided to sell the property because

1601
02:43:39,620 --> 02:43:41,360
I think it could have an adverse effect long term.

1602
02:43:41,640 --> 02:43:42,180
So that's where I'm at.

1603
02:43:42,440 --> 02:43:45,380
I do feel you've been very transparent and I want to say thank you for that.

1604
02:43:45,500 --> 02:43:48,320
Thank you for being engaged and wanting to invest and all of that.

1605
02:43:48,540 --> 02:43:53,080
So I want to be clear, I'm very much in favor of this use case and you bringing your business

1606
02:43:53,080 --> 02:43:53,340
here.

1607
02:43:53,340 --> 02:43:54,920
but there's just some unknowns for me.

1608
02:43:55,320 --> 02:43:55,600
Thank you.

1609
02:43:57,990 --> 02:43:58,550
Thank you.

1610
02:43:59,230 --> 02:43:59,990
Councilmember Henshaw?

1611
02:44:00,410 --> 02:44:01,230
Last at least.

1612
02:44:01,530 --> 02:44:01,730
Okay.

1613
02:44:04,300 --> 02:44:04,840
Let's see.

1614
02:44:05,160 --> 02:44:07,400
I'm gonna try to fix this so that we can move you forward

1615
02:44:07,400 --> 02:44:08,940
because I understand the angst that you're having

1616
02:44:08,940 --> 02:44:09,700
and it's frustrating.

1617
02:44:12,900 --> 02:44:16,380
Obviously you can, I believe you can do a permit concurrent

1618
02:44:16,380 --> 02:44:17,860
with rezoning, is that correct, Austin?

1619
02:44:18,220 --> 02:44:18,520
Just nod.

1620
02:44:18,820 --> 02:44:21,000
Can you ask, can you apply for a building permit

1621
02:44:21,520 --> 02:44:23,240
while a property is being rezoned?

1622
02:44:23,860 --> 02:44:25,980
Okay, so that would, it's working.

1623
02:44:35,440 --> 02:44:36,120
I don't know what's going on.

1624
02:44:36,120 --> 02:44:39,680
So it's just, I've taken over from you, Austin,

1625
02:44:40,100 --> 02:44:41,180
the microphone's not liking me.

1626
02:44:41,760 --> 02:44:44,280
So in theory, you can still apply for your permits

1627
02:44:44,280 --> 02:44:45,840
while it's going through a rezoning,

1628
02:44:45,840 --> 02:44:47,240
which is not the easiest thing to do,

1629
02:44:47,360 --> 02:44:48,120
but it is possible.

1630
02:44:51,500 --> 02:44:53,680
I have no problem, I'll touch on that in a minute.

1631
02:44:53,880 --> 02:44:56,880
So I don't mind actually removing this from the SSD

1632
02:44:56,880 --> 02:44:59,620
if it's not being used as the SSD business.

1633
02:45:00,600 --> 02:45:29,720
Do you have any need for truck washing? I mean, no, no. So you pressure wash stuff, so you want clean trucks, but I don't know what truck. Yeah, and I think that's part of the, you know, the balancing act when it comes to this whole thing, right? I've never done this before. And so, you know, when someone asked me, how do we plan on using the space? I took hours to think of every possible way that we would use the space. And so one of the ways that we would use this space is for every once in a while we would wash a truck. So I put that on there. It's not like we're fleet washing. And so empty cement trucks out.

1634
02:45:29,720 --> 02:45:39,600
But I know, and I think and so, you know, and Albert can invest to this, I don't know that, you know, Austin was a part of it, but I submitted my first, you know, business use list.

1635
02:45:40,040 --> 02:45:42,400
It was pretty long, super long, right?

1636
02:45:42,780 --> 02:45:52,760
And like, I don't know that Albert's ever seen a list that long if I'm being honest, because he said, you know, you can send an email and I sent him over a PDF, like a three or four page PDF of like every possible thing that we would do.

1637
02:45:52,760 --> 02:46:03,980
And so that was kind of one of the things that came from that is that no, we are not like every day washing trucks or you know having customers come to wash trucks, it was, yeah.

1638
02:46:05,680 --> 02:46:14,620
Is there any, and this might be a kindergarten question, are you maintaining any easements on the site on the left side of the site for access to the tanks?

1639
02:46:14,940 --> 02:46:15,140
Yes.

1640
02:46:15,140 --> 02:46:22,320
So there are some easements that are going to go into place so that second driveway needs to stay from an access standpoint, okay? That's clear.

1641
02:46:25,020 --> 02:46:37,070
To touch on why I'm not, and I'm rarely don't agree with Joseph, but tweaking our OW, the whole point of the OW was it does act as a buffer between residential.

1642
02:46:37,590 --> 02:46:46,250
And so if we start to increase the allowable uses of storage within OW, and I think back

1643
02:46:46,250 --> 02:46:54,990
to the case where we denied a CUP for a guy who was putting auger helical peers in

1644
02:46:54,990 --> 02:46:58,690
the ground, and it seemed like a great use for the site until we discovered that he starts

1645
02:46:58,690 --> 02:47:00,690
moving helical peers at six o'clock in the morning.

1646
02:47:00,690 --> 02:47:12,750
He's in the backyard of single-family residences and those helical peers are 15, 20 feet long and they're made out of metal and they clang terribly when the stiff breeze comes along.

1647
02:47:12,930 --> 02:47:18,910
So the whole point of the OW is to not allow outdoor storage specifically to prevent that.

1648
02:47:19,050 --> 02:47:23,570
And I don't want to, I don't know, we have a noise ordinance that's supposed to help override that.

1649
02:47:23,630 --> 02:47:27,490
But what I don't want to do is open up an unintentional can of worms.

1650
02:47:29,030 --> 02:47:41,470
for all of the OW properties in the city, and I think we can probably close off some of the problematic things that we have an issue with on this property, some of the things that are allowed by right and I wrote down a couple of the tailor touched on.

1651
02:47:42,050 --> 02:47:55,970
So to me, I think, and I also agree that the character of this site should probably be more OW or more even T5, but we don't allow residential properties within a thousand feet of a tank.

1652
02:47:55,970 --> 02:48:00,730
So even the properties of the cross, the street can never go multi-family, single-family or any family whatsoever

1653
02:48:01,450 --> 02:48:04,730
Unless somebody decides to squat and building because we don't allow that so

1654
02:48:05,390 --> 02:48:10,450
Even though the character area is defined as T5 across the street that can never include

1655
02:48:11,350 --> 02:48:12,710
residential housing. So

1656
02:48:13,590 --> 02:48:20,590
In this particular instance, I personally feel that the M1 is fine as long as we do restrict a couple of the things

1657
02:48:21,670 --> 02:48:24,730
I will caution you you know as you move forward and you'll discover this

1658
02:48:24,730 --> 02:48:53,450
I did a building recently that was used for automotive part storage, and they had to put in pop-up flood barriers and massively expensive commercial sprinklers, we had to run a separate 400 amp service to run the sprinkler pumps, I mean it was a nightmare for them, so not that your facility would use that, but potential other partners that you might be bringing in might require these very heavy sprinkler systems and these other protection things, which you wouldn't want to do as a landlord.

1659
02:48:53,450 --> 02:48:56,650
So, I think that'll also limit what he can do in there.

1660
02:48:57,050 --> 02:49:00,830
Personally, I'm in favor of approving it for an M1 zoning, but

1661
02:49:00,830 --> 02:49:05,950
removing, but putting conditions on it that remove automotive services and

1662
02:49:05,950 --> 02:49:10,850
repair, electronics, manufacture, and assembly, passenger, terminal, textile, manufacturing, and electricity generation.

1663
02:49:11,390 --> 02:49:15,050
Those are the five sort of most egregious things that I can see on the list that was allowed by right.

1664
02:49:15,550 --> 02:49:19,750
Obviously, the CUP stuff, we can approach that, it's already, it's already in there, and

1665
02:49:19,750 --> 02:49:23,550
So maybe we need to look at maybe removing some of those by right and putting that into

1666
02:49:23,550 --> 02:49:29,490
the CUP and maybe that does make M1 even more like an M1 light or an M.5 as opposed to

1667
02:49:29,490 --> 02:49:39,530
up here M1, but yeah, I don't really see much of an issue other than noise being the

1668
02:49:39,530 --> 02:49:42,290
issue if we rework our OW zoning.

1669
02:49:42,450 --> 02:49:50,930
So I would rather sort of rework our M1 zoning to be a little bit more hospitable or a little

1670
02:49:50,930 --> 02:49:56,670
less hospitable to bigger businesses and then allow our M2 to really be the sort of the wild west of that.

1671
02:49:57,770 --> 02:49:59,970
Do you have proposed business hours, not that it's-

1672
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:29,100
That's an issue here because you don't have any residential, but I'm assuming you're not working at three o'clock in the morning. No, so the way that our business operates right now is that most of our technicians will all of our technicians arrive by 6'45 in the morning. The idea, the hope is that they're in the office for 15 minutes. They park their car, they come inside, they check their equipment, they leave. So all the trucks would be out ideally by 7 a.m. And then during the day, like our office staff would come in, you know, eight staggered, eight, nine, ten, et cetera.

1673
02:50:29,100 --> 02:50:34,360
And so then at the end of the day when the technicians finish their route, they start making their way back to the office.

1674
02:50:34,580 --> 02:50:48,680
So we don't have like a hard time of like everyone comes back at five o'clock, you know, it can be, you know, three forty five was the first truck back today, but there still were multiple trucks still not back when I left there to come here, you know, at five forty five.

1675
02:50:48,680 --> 02:50:54,300
So in terms of noise, we're not going to be producing noise.

1676
02:50:54,820 --> 02:51:00,000
We're not firing up machines, you know, not, yes, it's kind of like a pressure washers.

1677
02:51:00,360 --> 02:51:05,900
Yeah, yeah, like we're, yeah, we're not firing those things up in the morning and so in

1678
02:51:05,900 --> 02:51:10,380
terms of from a traffic standpoint, that's one of the benefits of our use as well as that

1679
02:51:10,380 --> 02:51:16,460
we're almost out of there before a lot of the residents are actually driving to work.

1680
02:51:16,460 --> 02:51:29,680
I mean, I personally wouldn't want to see this business in an OW in one of our existing neighborhoods because of the noise and the fleets, and I know we do have to stand with steamer and a couple of others that come in and they use our gas stations, you know, it's great.

1681
02:51:31,160 --> 02:51:35,360
But again, tweaking it for outdoor storage just makes it a little bit more challenging.

1682
02:51:37,040 --> 02:51:42,080
You see, there's anything else on my list. We need packets that I can actually have lines so I can write on.

1683
02:51:46,120 --> 02:51:46,480
from

1684
02:51:49,580 --> 02:51:58,580
a time standpoint, the permitting process is probably a month, and then a rezoning,

1685
02:51:59,300 --> 02:52:02,700
you know, if it doesn't go through today, it would be a month. So, you know, in theory,

1686
02:52:04,100 --> 02:52:07,640
you could get them both then concurrently, but you don't want to go through permitting,

1687
02:52:07,760 --> 02:52:09,400
not knowing if you could be able to build a business.

1688
02:52:09,540 --> 02:52:14,260
Part of the challenge with that is, I mean, I think part of the challenge with that,

1689
02:52:14,260 --> 02:52:18,640
Not no offense to Kendra Morgan, but I mean, we're dealing with a massive company.

1690
02:52:19,200 --> 02:52:22,280
I mean, part of the reason why I didn't think that we would ever get to this point.

1691
02:52:22,520 --> 02:52:26,080
Again, not Rick, Rick's great, but things take a long time.

1692
02:52:26,600 --> 02:52:34,400
And so that would be my concern to that, is that we would need Kendra,

1693
02:52:34,480 --> 02:52:39,320
my understanding is that we would need the current owner to essentially sign off on the plans, is that right?

1694
02:52:40,420 --> 02:52:41,340
Is that right, Austin?

1695
02:52:41,340 --> 02:52:48,120
of the building yeah of the building and that's where I think that would be a little bit challenging do you want to speak to that

1696
02:52:59,280 --> 02:53:10,520
Understood I mean I'm done with my questions. I'll happily make a motion, but we get we got some more but I think kindergarten Morgan slow he welcome to the city, so

1697
02:53:12,460 --> 02:53:17,600
Before I go to you to I just I had a question for Cecil

1698
02:53:17,940 --> 02:53:23,960
Just a question, and now my idea of switching it back to M1 to T5 is sounding a little better.

1699
02:53:25,520 --> 02:53:33,840
Cecil, is there a way, I think it's no, but I got to ask you, that you can put a zoning stipulation

1700
02:53:33,840 --> 02:53:40,660
of the business usage changes or the lot cells in the future. It sounds like you keep, I don't know.

1701
02:53:40,840 --> 02:53:45,260
That just sounds like a future condition of a change.

1702
02:53:45,260 --> 02:53:48,640
Yeah, that sounds like an overreach on government, but I was like, I got to ask it.

1703
02:53:49,960 --> 02:53:50,720
Is that allowed?

1704
02:53:51,000 --> 02:53:58,060
It seems like that would be a zoning took place today, but suddenly we did some zoning out.

1705
02:53:58,060 --> 02:54:01,600
It's sort of like what I was talking about in the first place going to M1,

1706
02:54:01,600 --> 02:54:04,280
then right down the road, changing it back to T5.

1707
02:54:04,660 --> 02:54:06,560
It's sort of the same concept, I guess, right?

1708
02:54:07,000 --> 02:54:10,320
No, no, I'm saying, if you just put a stipulation.

1709
02:54:10,320 --> 02:54:15,760
preferred. Yeah. You know, just in listening to the entire conversation.

1710
02:54:18,420 --> 02:54:19,280
You know, it depends

1711
02:54:19,280 --> 02:54:26,020
on what you want to do. The young one with conditions, there's probably a path to get

1712
02:54:26,020 --> 02:54:32,380
there. I'm going to listen. It's probably a path to get there on the OW, if you could use

1713
02:54:32,380 --> 02:54:38,880
a conditional use permit on the OW, but I have to talk to some sort of added conditional

1714
02:54:38,880 --> 02:54:44,260
use permanent W that would let you put some conditions on it. You have limited

1715
02:54:44,260 --> 02:54:51,420
outside storage and you could tailor it into each, into each situation because

1716
02:54:51,420 --> 02:54:56,020
you're trying to make that step. So without a tax amendment you can do a

1717
02:54:56,020 --> 02:54:59,960
condition. I mean as I'm here in this unless you want to take a flyer

1718
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:29,740
We're just saying it's in one and we're sort of going to work it out right here. You would probably want to do a text amendment to that effect. I mean, we have pre-pre-reviewed plans and, you know, we could sort of pre-reviewed plans that would be sitting on go at the time that the actual sale took place. We've pre-reviewed plans in the past. So the time sale took place, you would be the owner. You would apply and we would have already pretty much said Gabby's are all good to go.

1719
02:55:29,740 --> 02:55:30,520
That's fine.

1720
02:55:30,680 --> 02:55:32,160
Those things, would you agree with that?

1721
02:55:32,660 --> 02:55:34,240
So there are some ways we could accommodate.

1722
02:55:34,720 --> 02:55:39,000
Because to Council Member Hinchall's point, there was that business over there behind

1723
02:55:39,000 --> 02:55:46,480
near the church on the other side of P.I.B. that wanted outdoor storage and it was O.W.

1724
02:55:46,780 --> 02:55:53,960
It was zoned like that and they wanted M1, it was exactly what it was, it was, so, yeah.

1725
02:55:54,860 --> 02:55:58,960
But the whole reason the screens didn't work there is because there was residents up above

1726
02:55:58,960 --> 02:56:01,620
on a hill looking down, and then that's it.

1727
02:56:01,900 --> 02:56:09,940
So you could do the M1 or go ahead and jump out on the idea that you, you know, the

1728
02:56:09,940 --> 02:56:15,740
text amendment could be OW allows a use permit to go with it to deal with outside's

1729
02:56:15,740 --> 02:56:17,440
origin associated conditions.

1730
02:56:17,440 --> 02:56:22,780
For instance, that one knowing that you had this, you might help with the buffer or something

1731
02:56:22,780 --> 02:56:23,240
like that.

1732
02:56:24,120 --> 02:56:33,420
There's a way to get there with a text amendment either through M1 or OW and there's probably

1733
02:56:33,420 --> 02:56:38,100
an accommodation we could do to which it would not be something we would be doing.

1734
02:56:38,200 --> 02:56:44,020
We've done it in the past to assist someone on a plan review so at the point that the closing

1735
02:56:44,020 --> 02:56:46,680
and took place, it would have been pretty reviewed

1736
02:56:46,680 --> 02:56:47,920
and pretty much the term.

1737
02:56:49,000 --> 02:56:49,560
All right, thank you.

1738
02:56:52,320 --> 02:56:53,440
Can someone remember Ray?

1739
02:56:53,760 --> 02:56:55,440
Well, everyone's got a few extra questions.

1740
02:56:55,620 --> 02:56:56,480
Can someone remember Ray, you first?

1741
02:56:56,540 --> 02:56:56,960
Yeah, yeah.

1742
02:56:57,080 --> 02:57:00,920
So I actually agree with Councilmember Hinchaw.

1743
02:57:01,300 --> 02:57:03,120
I like, I think that's a much more efficient way

1744
02:57:03,120 --> 02:57:04,440
of going about what I was trying to get to

1745
02:57:04,440 --> 02:57:06,280
is eliminating some of these concerning uses.

1746
02:57:07,080 --> 02:57:10,840
So Cecil, can, would we, if we wanted to go in one route,

1747
02:57:11,680 --> 02:57:33,300
Could we put those conditions, like the BM-1, but it cannot be basically what Chris listed, or alternatively, could we do M-1 and then next month bringing a text amendment forward that changes some of those uses we're concerned about to conditional use permits long term and then it's just limits it that way.

1748
02:57:35,780 --> 02:57:39,780
I'm listening to this and I'm going to try to accommodate the timeline.

1749
02:57:40,160 --> 02:57:42,940
There are ways we could try to accommodate the timeline.

1750
02:57:43,400 --> 02:57:48,800
If the idea is you want to put it this, I would basically say

1751
02:57:52,670 --> 02:57:55,090
workbook and current and

1752
02:57:55,090 --> 02:58:01,310
try to work with the plans to accelerate that process, but I would just give it Austin and

1753
02:58:01,970 --> 02:58:09,530
And in the applicant, I think we're going to say let's all get together and make the

1754
02:58:09,530 --> 02:58:14,010
best route, whether it's in, it's going to be a text amendment, whether it's a text

1755
02:58:14,010 --> 02:58:19,750
amendment to OW, which allows for a, there's a use permit category that you sort of, we would

1756
02:58:19,750 --> 02:58:31,290
make sure that it wasn't going to hurt the neighbors all through a use permit process, or if the

1757
02:58:31,290 --> 02:58:34,230
So you're seeing more conditional use permit

1758
02:58:34,230 --> 02:58:37,190
for pressure-washing company on OW as opposed to?

1759
02:58:37,730 --> 02:58:40,330
I mean, the big ones always have on OW is everybody

1760
02:58:40,330 --> 02:58:42,450
that wants to ask where it wants to their house,

1761
02:58:42,650 --> 02:58:43,990
what's the trust, right?

1762
02:58:44,230 --> 02:58:44,650
Always do.

1763
02:58:45,350 --> 02:58:46,690
But that can be problematic.

1764
02:58:46,990 --> 02:58:49,730
So I mean, you could have it, and I'm familiar with it.

1765
02:58:50,110 --> 02:58:51,110
This would be a conversation.

1766
02:58:51,730 --> 02:58:57,490
But you could have an OW that we moved it to OW,

1767
02:58:57,750 --> 02:59:01,010
but there's a use permit that's allowed that you could come in

1768
02:59:01,010 --> 02:59:04,990
and say, yeah, you're going to be allowed to have outdoor storage as long as it's screened.

1769
02:59:05,070 --> 02:59:05,810
It's in this location.

1770
02:59:06,050 --> 02:59:06,570
You have this.

1771
02:59:06,910 --> 02:59:10,310
You're allowed to have X number of trucks in this location, et cetera.

1772
02:59:10,650 --> 02:59:15,350
And that would all be case by case on a use permit that was sort of the buffer between

1773
02:59:17,610 --> 02:59:22,710
EOW, you know, you know, you're moving them down in the buffer would be to have a sort of flexible

1774
02:59:22,710 --> 02:59:28,310
use permit that got put in case by case between the process of the process.

1775
02:59:28,310 --> 02:59:28,650
I want more.

1776
02:59:29,230 --> 02:59:29,630
Okay.

1777
02:59:29,810 --> 02:59:30,330
You're still up.

1778
02:59:30,570 --> 02:59:36,010
So, I'm open to that so that we're not changing something on the fly.

1779
02:59:36,230 --> 02:59:39,370
My request then would be, so if we were to have approved this tonight, then they would

1780
02:59:39,370 --> 02:59:41,370
have been kicking off the permitting process.

1781
02:59:41,390 --> 02:59:43,130
I would assume we're getting close to doing that.

1782
02:59:43,830 --> 02:59:44,810
Not approving it.

1783
02:59:45,150 --> 02:59:48,710
Potentially if you do it in series, now cost them a full month and being able to move.

1784
02:59:49,270 --> 02:59:55,310
If we can concurrently work like you said to look over the plans and have it ready to go so

1785
02:59:55,310 --> 02:59:59,950
so that assuming we get to a viable solution here next month.

1786
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:23,640
It's effectively like they didn't have to wait that month, then that is my request to staff, because I don't want to hold this. I would like to find a way to approve this. I understand we don't want to make text amendments on the fly, though. So if we can do that in parallel, rather than in series, then I'm okay with it, but I just, I really don't want to cost them the opportunity, because I think it's a company that's looking to invest in Dorville, and I'm pretty excited about it. So that's my request to staff.

1787
03:00:23,640 --> 03:00:31,740
There's a sort of a courtesy review of plans to get them sitting on go when the actual

1788
03:00:31,740 --> 03:00:37,340
action takes place is not, that name on all the time, but it's also not unusual in

1789
03:00:37,340 --> 03:00:37,860
any situation.

1790
03:00:40,000 --> 03:00:40,880
Councilmember Evans.

1791
03:00:43,040 --> 03:00:44,580
I guess questions are both here.

1792
03:00:46,060 --> 03:00:50,900
The average number of gallons of water pressure wash solution is on each truck.

1793
03:00:51,200 --> 03:00:53,040
Would you know that approximately?

1794
03:00:53,960 --> 03:00:57,100
Which liquid do you want to know is three liquids on the truck?

1795
03:00:57,300 --> 03:01:00,060
Oh, okay, just how much weight are we talking about?

1796
03:01:00,780 --> 03:01:05,880
Each truck, each pickup truck weighs, I think, $7,500.

1797
03:01:06,060 --> 03:01:12,360
Whatever the payload is on a Chevy Silverado single cab long bed,

1798
03:01:12,620 --> 03:01:15,980
that's what the maximum gross vehicle rating of the truck can be,

1799
03:01:16,520 --> 03:01:19,420
because we designed it accordingly.

1800
03:01:19,420 --> 03:01:24,620
So, like, even if all the tanks were full, it would still be less than the gross vehicle

1801
03:01:24,620 --> 03:01:30,600
rating on that, which those trucks do not need DOT stickers, because they're just there

1802
03:01:30,600 --> 03:01:30,880
that.

1803
03:01:31,300 --> 03:01:31,480
Yeah.

1804
03:01:31,900 --> 03:01:32,200
Gotcha.

1805
03:01:32,840 --> 03:01:39,560
And I love the idea to flesh out the Texan amendment, especially we don't want to miss

1806
03:01:39,560 --> 03:01:39,920
anything.

1807
03:01:40,540 --> 03:01:46,800
And I guess for you, Austin, is it worst case scenario, if going M1, like, what does that

1808
03:01:46,800 --> 03:01:51,940
look like miss something within the tax amendment. If that makes sense,

1809
03:01:54,410 --> 03:01:56,050
going in one was the worst

1810
03:01:56,050 --> 03:01:58,070
case scenario going forward.

1811
03:02:02,900 --> 03:02:07,980
Tonight or in general or I'm still not sure I understand the question.

1812
03:02:08,120 --> 03:02:14,100
I mean you're talking about like removing uses because Cecil was saying as easy to get the other way

1813
03:02:14,100 --> 03:02:19,660
with OW with the CUP. That's my preference. I just I know there's some thought about going in one and

1814
03:02:19,660 --> 03:02:23,620
not prefer not to, but so I'm just trying to make sure we don't miss anything in the process.

1815
03:02:24,640 --> 03:02:25,590
Yeah, I think that's it.

1816
03:02:27,240 --> 03:02:28,100
You're going to miss it.

1817
03:02:28,100 --> 03:02:29,080
I was in the second period.

1818
03:02:43,750 --> 03:02:47,990
And this will still be a part of the SSD, based on location.

1819
03:02:48,750 --> 03:02:49,730
Yes, okay.

1820
03:02:50,370 --> 03:02:50,770
Understood.

1821
03:02:51,690 --> 03:02:52,270
Thank you.

1822
03:02:52,610 --> 03:02:56,530
Yeah, they say that's a whole nother conversation and that's has nothing to do with this.

1823
03:02:57,670 --> 03:02:58,650
Council member Henshaw.

1824
03:03:00,090 --> 03:03:00,310
Yeah.

1825
03:03:00,310 --> 03:03:02,390
I mean, we made a comment, somebody made a comment earlier.

1826
03:03:02,430 --> 03:03:10,710
It might have been, Joseph, that we've got, we don't want to provide special preference to a tenant.

1827
03:03:11,430 --> 03:03:16,090
But I don't think we're not providing, we don't look at variances as providing special

1828
03:03:16,570 --> 03:03:17,650
accommodations to an individual.

1829
03:03:17,750 --> 03:03:22,690
We look at variances of applying special accommodations to a property because there's issues with property.

1830
03:03:23,570 --> 03:03:28,530
And so I look at this as to being the same, you know, these are, it's a property that has special

1831
03:03:28,530 --> 03:03:31,110
conditions, not a tenant that's asking for something unusual.

1832
03:03:31,330 --> 03:03:33,890
No, that was my comment with switching it back.

1833
03:03:34,110 --> 03:03:36,370
And Austin said no, the seat was like heck no.

1834
03:03:36,650 --> 03:03:37,730
Oh yeah, no, I agree with that.

1835
03:03:37,810 --> 03:03:41,730
But what I'm saying is I think that, you know, knowing

1836
03:03:41,730 --> 03:03:46,210
that we want the character area to maintain, that to me is why I would be

1837
03:03:46,210 --> 03:03:48,950
perfectly happy to have it as an M1 and then put some restrictions on it

1838
03:03:48,950 --> 03:03:51,930
because the property is unique, not the tenant is unique.

1839
03:03:52,450 --> 03:03:55,350
And if we're willing to do that, you know, that would be my sort of thought.

1840
03:03:55,350 --> 03:04:05,810
But the other thought that I had in this business and you don't have to answer this question if you don't want but there's the timing of this effect any lending that you have and it is this.

1841
03:04:06,830 --> 03:04:09,110
How does this decision weigh in on your lending?

1842
03:04:11,650 --> 03:04:16,130
Yeah, so I think so right now we've already have the lending approved like we could close tomorrow.

1843
03:04:16,130 --> 03:04:22,530
And so the longer this process goes, then we'll have to reapply for lending because we got approved.

1844
03:04:23,050 --> 03:04:25,490
So we have five amendments now.

1845
03:04:27,780 --> 03:04:31,200
Basically, we first went under contract in March.

1846
03:04:34,610 --> 03:04:35,990
So we went under contract in March.

1847
03:04:36,430 --> 03:04:41,270
And so like to put in perspective, we started this process so long ago that we had to do a new environmental test

1848
03:04:41,270 --> 03:04:44,110
because the other environmental test was outside of the period of time.

1849
03:04:44,110 --> 03:04:51,270
So essentially we would have to resort the financing component to do that as well as

1850
03:04:51,890 --> 03:04:59,970
You know part of the challenge, you know is that ultimately like I'm a CEO of a small business that I need to like a lot of my time

1851
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:29,820
I'm energy is spent on this right now to put in perspective this weekend. I spent 20 hours on the floor plans of the building, literally just moving walls. And then, of course, the architect sends me on Monday, the as is drawings, and you see there's columns exactly where it had doors and have to redo it. So I think it's, I think it's, it definitely you start getting into the tear. So holiday lights is one of our big parts of our business is that we install holiday lights, like Christmas lights on people's houses.

1852
03:05:29,820 --> 03:05:34,440
To put in perspective, we started installing those Christmas lights on people's houses last week.

1853
03:05:35,260 --> 03:05:41,520
So one month from now, we are going to be in the peak holiday light season for

1854
03:05:41,520 --> 03:05:47,880
our business, which represents 30% of our revenue we make in like an eight week period of time.

1855
03:05:48,760 --> 03:05:59,520
So there's this challenge of me as an operator trying to run my business to be able to even afford the property.

1856
03:05:59,520 --> 03:06:16,060
In terms of, from a lending standpoint, that's part of the balancing act is that I've kind of had to be not an absentee owner, but there's a lot of things that my company needs my attention on and that has kind of taken a backseat.

1857
03:06:16,760 --> 03:06:28,940
And so we're coming into a season where if I can't really lock it in in terms of from our sales standpoint, hiring sales reps, hiring technicians that put in perspective, we need to double our staff in the next three weeks.

1858
03:06:29,780 --> 03:06:31,480
in terms of technicians and sales.

1859
03:06:32,520 --> 03:06:36,020
And make sure that all of our 30 trucks are converted over to holiday lives.

1860
03:06:36,160 --> 03:06:41,700
And so, this continuing this process kind of takes the captain off the ship.

1861
03:06:42,340 --> 03:06:48,600
And the challenge with this is that we need the money to be able to run the ship, basically.

1862
03:06:48,960 --> 03:06:54,560
And so that's the, so yeah, and at the same time, part of the challenge when it comes

1863
03:06:54,560 --> 03:07:02,480
of from a lending standpoint is that we, you know, we're still, because we, it took so long

1864
03:07:02,480 --> 03:07:05,920
in terms of from an amendment standpoint with Kendra Morgan going back and forth and doing

1865
03:07:05,920 --> 03:07:11,540
extensions. You know, we didn't start with the architectural drawings that long ago, and so we don't

1866
03:07:11,540 --> 03:07:16,840
even have a general contractor lined up yet. And so that part of, that's part of the hold-up

1867
03:07:16,840 --> 03:07:21,680
is getting a general contractor involved when they don't have certainty that this is actually even

1868
03:07:21,680 --> 03:07:25,960
going to happen is part of the challenge because the only way for us to be able to do

1869
03:07:25,960 --> 03:07:31,020
this is to roll the renovations into the mortgage, which requires a general contractor

1870
03:07:31,020 --> 03:07:35,320
to actually put a budget together and then they have to go through the bank process and

1871
03:07:35,320 --> 03:07:41,140
so forth. So yeah, so that's kind of the catch 22 when it comes to the process.

1872
03:07:41,640 --> 03:07:47,180
One final comment, this is for Cecil. If we make a motion to wave first read and then it

1873
03:07:47,180 --> 03:07:48,380
It doesn't get passed.

1874
03:07:48,880 --> 03:07:51,220
It kills this project for how many months?

1875
03:07:52,380 --> 03:07:57,560
If we wave first read and then put it up for a vote and then they can't come back next

1876
03:07:57,560 --> 03:07:57,820
month.

1877
03:07:58,420 --> 03:07:58,980
Why not?

1878
03:07:59,340 --> 03:08:00,040
Can they?

1879
03:08:00,240 --> 03:08:01,640
I thought if we denied a...

1880
03:08:01,640 --> 03:08:08,700
Well, if you deny a zoning, but what all we be doing is not agreeing to pass it on the

1881
03:08:08,700 --> 03:08:09,520
first read tonight.

1882
03:08:10,120 --> 03:08:10,900
And we would come back.

1883
03:08:11,020 --> 03:08:16,520
I mean, the reality is that if the instruction is figured out and figured out how to put it

1884
03:08:16,520 --> 03:08:22,220
in the box. Then, you know, we can come back in next month, but that will be a high probability

1885
03:08:23,080 --> 03:08:25,860
something that will satisfy the needs that I think we've heard.

1886
03:08:26,440 --> 03:08:30,940
I just want to make sure we don't accidentally deny him as a chance to do that again next month.

1887
03:08:39,960 --> 03:08:46,080
So, if we make a motion away for first three, and the first read is waived, and then we take a vote,

1888
03:08:46,080 --> 03:08:46,980
We vote.

1889
03:08:49,670 --> 03:08:50,190
Okay.

1890
03:08:53,180 --> 03:08:59,620
Yeah, we're not we can't wave a motion first read the denial and he's out now. That's what they're saying. So

1891
03:09:00,640 --> 03:09:04,720
Council member Nasser. Do you have any extra questions or comments?

1892
03:09:05,880 --> 03:09:11,220
No, I don't have no extra comment, but but I'm trying to say actually one more thing which is I

1893
03:09:11,780 --> 03:09:15,800
Do not want to wave first rate. I want to wait. That's why I was about to say

1894
03:09:18,960 --> 03:09:22,600
So I was going to say does anyone is there a motion away first read and then he's going

1895
03:09:22,600 --> 03:09:23,000
to say no.

1896
03:09:23,140 --> 03:09:24,200
So there's.

1897
03:09:24,200 --> 03:09:28,180
It takes a unanimous vote from council to wait first read so.

1898
03:09:28,480 --> 03:09:29,380
Let me ask a quick.

1899
03:09:31,210 --> 03:09:34,850
This preference would be that we have more than a W with a use.

1900
03:09:36,190 --> 03:09:36,570
So.

1901
03:09:37,010 --> 03:09:37,130
So.

1902
03:09:37,710 --> 03:09:38,330
Could we.

1903
03:09:39,170 --> 03:09:41,490
I would prefer OW with the CUP.

1904
03:09:41,710 --> 03:09:45,370
I just think that makes the easiest in the most sense and.

1905
03:09:46,070 --> 03:09:51,110
We've probably got these all over town and it gives you that fill in the blank and it won't be

1906
03:09:56,030 --> 03:09:59,790
You're here, then fill in the blank, these are the criteria.

1907
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:11,420
We used to determine what buffers and contributions. I prefer OW with the Texan mainly, but no CUP, that can happen next month. Bye next one. Okay.

1908
03:10:15,080 --> 03:10:16,540
So thank you.

1909
03:10:16,560 --> 03:10:31,750
You got no way on this. Do what? You got a way on this. Sorry, I was talking with council member NASA about the motion away first. Sorry, what, what do I have to weigh in? You have to close out this.

1910
03:10:31,750 --> 03:10:37,130
No, I know, but is that fine you don't want to wave first read or okay

1911
03:10:37,930 --> 03:10:38,450
so

1912
03:10:39,710 --> 03:10:45,510
No motion to wave first read this will come back up for a second reading next month with with direction for staff

1913
03:10:45,510 --> 03:10:46,490
Can we

1914
03:10:50,400 --> 03:10:56,020
put that in the packet ahead of this so that it's resolved ahead of time?

1915
03:10:59,220 --> 03:11:00,720
Thank you, oh, all

1916
03:11:07,060 --> 03:11:08,120
right two more cases for me

1917
03:11:09,460 --> 03:11:11,320
Much less complicated hopefully

1918
03:11:11,320 --> 03:11:21,540
So the first two more conditional use permits, the first conditional use permit is for an event hall at 5805 Beaufort Highway, sweet 18A.

1919
03:11:22,120 --> 03:11:33,940
This is the Treasure Village Shopping Center and Ms. Gloria here is the business owner and the requested for an event space greater than 3,000 square feet in T5.

1920
03:11:34,400 --> 03:11:37,040
The suite is about four, a little over 4,000 square feet.

1921
03:11:37,280 --> 03:11:40,880
So here's the Treasure Village Shopping Center and aerial view of it with the star over

1922
03:11:40,880 --> 03:11:41,220
the suite.

1923
03:11:41,620 --> 03:11:45,540
You'll recall that a couple of years ago this was one larger suite that was subdivided

1924
03:11:45,540 --> 03:11:45,880
in half.

1925
03:11:46,120 --> 03:11:50,500
So Amigo BR is next door in one of the two suites that were created.

1926
03:11:50,660 --> 03:11:52,140
This is the front of the building currently.

1927
03:11:52,780 --> 03:11:56,200
So the space is about 4,000 square feet at the moment.

1928
03:11:56,800 --> 03:12:03,400
You can see the manner of operation here on the slide.

1929
03:12:03,400 --> 03:12:08,100
So the hours of operation and the employees and such, here's the draft of the floor plan

1930
03:12:08,640 --> 03:12:11,860
That was submitted along with the application just kind of showing you what that

1931
03:12:12,480 --> 03:12:18,100
This inside of the space could look like as well some photos of recent photos of what it looks like inside

1932
03:12:19,460 --> 03:12:20,920
Staff are recommending approval

1933
03:12:21,440 --> 03:12:27,540
Staff are recommending approval with conditions and these conditions are all conditions that we have attached to other event spaces

1934
03:12:27,540 --> 03:12:32,500
Or recreation facilities or something like that in the past so no coin machines

1935
03:12:33,400 --> 03:12:39,220
keep the front windows uncovered for transparency, any events just because this was mentioned in

1936
03:12:39,220 --> 03:12:43,180
the application packet any events need to be approved or our special event permit that are

1937
03:12:43,180 --> 03:12:48,620
outside of the facility and then that BYOB is not allowed also something that was mentioned in

1938
03:12:48,620 --> 03:12:52,520
the application packet but it's something that is prohibited in our alcohol ordinance. So

1939
03:12:53,220 --> 03:12:58,680
planning commission recommended approval with the conditions as written the applicant is here as

1940
03:12:58,680 --> 03:13:00,280
Well, if you have any questions, but that's it for me.

1941
03:13:01,920 --> 03:13:03,640
All right, so this is a first read,

1942
03:13:03,920 --> 03:13:06,200
so we will open it up for public comment.

1943
03:13:06,960 --> 03:13:08,100
Anyone in the chambers?

1944
03:13:08,880 --> 03:13:09,360
No,

1945
03:13:13,060 --> 03:13:16,020
I was going to do the applicant after that.

1946
03:13:16,860 --> 03:13:17,000
Yeah.

1947
03:13:17,720 --> 03:13:19,700
So anyone in the chambers that would like

1948
03:13:19,700 --> 03:13:26,660
to come speak in favor of this CUP, please come to the podium

1949
03:13:27,140 --> 03:13:29,960
and you have ten minutes.

1950
03:13:33,040 --> 03:13:36,620
I don't see anyone, we'll go online, anyone online.

1951
03:13:39,080 --> 03:13:41,280
Thank you, Albert, no one online.

1952
03:13:42,200 --> 03:13:47,220
We will close in favor and go to anyone not in favor.

1953
03:13:47,380 --> 03:13:50,820
Anyone in the chambers that would like to come up and speak not in favor of this.

1954
03:13:51,100 --> 03:13:56,480
CUP, please come up to the podium and do not see anyone and anyone online.

1955
03:13:56,740 --> 03:14:01,560
No one is online, so no, we'll close public comment and I would like to ask the applicant

1956
03:14:01,560 --> 03:14:04,560
if they'd like to come up and speak, please come to the podium.

1957
03:14:10,000 --> 03:14:10,520
Good evening.

1958
03:14:11,240 --> 03:14:12,220
My name is Gloria.

1959
03:14:13,800 --> 03:14:18,100
I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to have the second

1960
03:14:18,100 --> 03:14:20,560
business running here in Duravi.

1961
03:14:21,460 --> 03:14:24,560
I already have a business running the same plaza.

1962
03:14:25,600 --> 03:14:29,420
And that's why now I see the opportunity to have a second business

1963
03:14:29,420 --> 03:14:32,540
and appreciate you giving me the opportunity.

1964
03:14:33,260 --> 03:14:34,060
Thank you.

1965
03:14:34,640 --> 03:14:35,400
Thank you.

1966
03:14:36,700 --> 03:14:39,580
And then we'll open it up for Council discussion.

1967
03:14:40,420 --> 03:14:42,780
And we will start with Councilmember Hinchel.

1968
03:14:43,920 --> 03:14:44,620
Thank you.

1969
03:14:45,560 --> 03:14:49,100
Do you know if the tenant, I mean, there's photographs of it operating inside.

1970
03:14:49,200 --> 03:14:54,640
Is the tenant been operating as an event hall without the CUP, not knowing that they didn't

1971
03:14:54,640 --> 03:14:55,140
need to see people?

1972
03:14:55,320 --> 03:14:59,120
There was a previous tenant in here that actually was the one that renovated the space.

1973
03:14:59,120 --> 03:14:59,980
You

1974
03:15:01,460 --> 03:15:08,940
So they never opened, but the intent was it for an event hall never opened, they never applied for CUP, but also never had a business permit.

1975
03:15:16,270 --> 03:15:33,390
My only other question is it seems like the restrooms are inadequate for this use. You know, the plan's not easily understandable, but it seems it looked like the photographs were quite small. A space to this large would typically require six

1976
03:15:33,390 --> 03:15:37,210
six to eight toilets for this size of an event hall.

1977
03:15:37,490 --> 03:15:41,070
So I know that's not life safety, which is my utmost concern.

1978
03:15:41,270 --> 03:15:42,410
And it seems like there's plenty of exits.

1979
03:15:43,030 --> 03:15:46,950
So from that, it's code compliant, but I would just suggest looking.

1980
03:15:50,030 --> 03:15:50,670
What's our process?

1981
03:15:51,130 --> 03:15:53,490
Does the city have a process for looking at code compliance?

1982
03:15:54,450 --> 03:15:57,150
It's based off building permits, not off CUPs, correct.

1983
03:15:58,790 --> 03:16:03,030
So this space has already been built out under a previous building permit.

1984
03:16:03,030 --> 03:16:11,090
But yes, the space was renovated under a building permit, three years ago, which I should

1985
03:16:11,090 --> 03:16:11,770
hope is our.

1986
03:16:14,450 --> 03:16:20,670
Yeah, and so I just, they don't, they won't have to get a building permit, and so they're

1987
03:16:20,670 --> 03:16:29,460
going to be operating an event hall with subpar facilities per code that's irrelevant to

1988
03:16:29,460 --> 03:16:30,200
the CUP process.

1989
03:16:30,520 --> 03:16:30,540
So,

1990
03:16:33,020 --> 03:16:33,920
I had no questions.

1991
03:16:35,540 --> 03:16:36,500
Thank you.

1992
03:16:36,500 --> 03:16:37,380
Councilmember Evans.

1993
03:16:38,120 --> 03:16:38,880
Are you in queue?

1994
03:16:39,940 --> 03:16:42,500
Do we have a limit on the number of event halls?

1995
03:16:42,740 --> 03:16:44,540
Because I believe there's one in that shop and center

1996
03:16:44,540 --> 03:16:45,580
and there's one next door.

1997
03:16:48,080 --> 03:16:49,500
Come up to the podium, ma'am.

1998
03:16:53,020 --> 03:16:53,600
Thank you for being here.

1999
03:16:54,280 --> 03:16:55,280
Rico's even home.

2000
03:16:55,760 --> 03:16:56,820
They're already closed doors.

2001
03:16:57,120 --> 03:16:57,580
Oh, they closed?

2002
03:16:57,820 --> 03:16:57,940
Yes.

2003
03:16:58,120 --> 03:16:58,780
OK, they didn't know that.

2004
03:16:59,000 --> 03:17:01,200
And I take in that space for my new office.

2005
03:17:02,000 --> 03:17:02,900
Where's your first business?

2006
03:17:03,120 --> 03:17:03,520
It's in the short way.

2007
03:17:03,520 --> 03:17:05,400
My first business is Gloria Detaxis.

2008
03:17:06,080 --> 03:17:10,660
I was located next to Rico's since Rico's closed.

2009
03:17:10,660 --> 03:17:19,580
Okay, I'm moving my office to other space do they touch or you do you plan to possibly combine them to

2010
03:17:19,580 --> 03:17:29,920
No, you're moving my okay, my office. Your name is Gloria. Who's Cassandra? My daughter's name. Nice name. I love it

2011
03:17:31,160 --> 03:17:37,500
Yes, we go close doors this first of September. Okay, didn't know that thank you

2012
03:17:38,620 --> 03:17:43,180
And also, I believe the floor is leveled here, except right by the former screen.

2013
03:17:43,360 --> 03:17:48,460
Yeah, the former, before it was split, it was a, oh, it's slow down, it was a movie theater type.

2014
03:17:48,960 --> 03:17:52,840
And the current floor is level, but yeah, there are some parts that are still slow.

2015
03:17:58,320 --> 03:18:03,040
And occupancy wise, I think we'll find there's 20 spaces for the 4,000 square feet, but that's

2016
03:18:03,040 --> 03:18:06,800
there's enough space on the side of the building or throughout the shopping center?

2017
03:18:08,000 --> 03:18:08,940
Parking, sorry, yes.

2018
03:18:09,300 --> 03:18:12,680
I know parking where the whole shopping center is part like most of the places.

2019
03:18:13,320 --> 03:18:13,560
Gotcha.

2020
03:18:15,000 --> 03:18:17,420
And the CUP is the best way to go about this?

2021
03:18:18,340 --> 03:18:20,660
The only way to go about this?

2022
03:18:20,880 --> 03:18:21,040
Yes.

2023
03:18:21,440 --> 03:18:21,640
Okay.

2024
03:18:22,200 --> 03:18:22,620
That's it.

2025
03:18:22,800 --> 03:18:23,020
Thank you.

2026
03:18:24,120 --> 03:18:24,680
Thank you.

2027
03:18:24,920 --> 03:18:25,680
Can't you remember Ray?

2028
03:18:28,260 --> 03:18:28,660
Nope.

2029
03:18:28,820 --> 03:18:29,660
They beat me to my questions.

2030
03:18:30,600 --> 03:18:31,580
Can some of you remember NASA?

2031
03:18:32,540 --> 03:18:32,940
No.

2032
03:18:32,940 --> 03:18:33,800
I don't have any questions.

2033
03:18:34,380 --> 03:18:38,480
I had actually questions because there was another event hall we approved it before.

2034
03:18:39,080 --> 03:18:43,520
So since it's closed, that's the only business, so we need one in the city anyway.

2035
03:18:44,040 --> 03:18:45,340
So I'm for it.

2036
03:18:45,480 --> 03:18:45,720
Thanks.

2037
03:18:46,480 --> 03:18:48,060
Is there a motion to wait for a first read?

2038
03:18:51,620 --> 03:18:54,260
I make a motion to wait for the first read.

2039
03:18:55,160 --> 03:18:55,880
There's a second.

2040
03:18:57,020 --> 03:18:57,640
I'll second.

2041
03:18:58,880 --> 03:18:59,200
Okay.

2042
03:19:00,180 --> 03:19:00,580
Discussion.

2043
03:19:00,880 --> 03:19:01,840
I have a question.

2044
03:19:01,840 --> 03:19:01,880
Okay.

2045
03:19:03,620 --> 03:19:07,160
Alcohol licenses that something being coming up though.

2046
03:19:07,540 --> 03:19:08,740
Yeah, it'll be separate.

2047
03:19:09,100 --> 03:19:09,320
So, okay.

2048
03:19:10,080 --> 03:19:12,040
It's seeking an alcohol license for herself.

2049
03:19:12,040 --> 03:19:14,080
It'll be an accessory license, but otherwise,

2050
03:19:14,200 --> 03:19:15,960
any serving alcohol will need to happen.

2051
03:19:16,580 --> 03:19:16,800
Gotcha.

2052
03:19:18,300 --> 03:19:20,380
All in favor of waving first ring.

2053
03:19:21,100 --> 03:19:21,220
Hi.

2054
03:19:21,920 --> 03:19:22,600
Yeah, hi.

2055
03:19:23,200 --> 03:19:23,380
Okay.

2056
03:19:25,240 --> 03:19:30,960
First, Reed is waved and now asked for a motion to either,

2057
03:19:30,960 --> 03:19:32,560
for the approved item.

2058
03:19:32,860 --> 03:19:36,080
I'll make a motion to approve CUP 26-02

2059
03:19:36,080 --> 03:19:38,540
with the conditions presented by staff.

2060
03:19:39,160 --> 03:19:39,920
Is there a second?

2061
03:19:41,460 --> 03:19:43,080
Council member Ray made the motion.

2062
03:19:43,460 --> 03:19:45,240
I heard Council member Evans make a second.

2063
03:19:46,160 --> 03:19:47,060
And now I'll call roll.

2064
03:19:48,140 --> 03:19:49,080
Council member Nasser?

2065
03:19:49,500 --> 03:19:49,720
Yes.

2066
03:19:50,080 --> 03:19:50,860
Council member Ray?

2067
03:19:51,160 --> 03:19:51,300
Yes.

2068
03:19:51,600 --> 03:19:52,440
Council member Hinshaw?

2069
03:19:53,640 --> 03:19:53,920
Yes.

2070
03:19:54,560 --> 03:19:55,380
Council member Evans?

2071
03:19:55,720 --> 03:19:55,900
Yes.

2072
03:19:56,460 --> 03:19:57,200
Motion passes.

2073
03:19:57,700 --> 03:19:58,760
So welcome.

2074
03:19:58,940 --> 03:19:59,260
Thank you.

2075
03:20:02,220 --> 03:20:08,800
All right. My last case is another conditional use permit, the CEP-20604, for an accessory alcohol

2076
03:20:08,800 --> 03:20:13,340
license in the Peachtree Pavilion Shopping Center. The applicant is Cue District, represented

2077
03:20:13,340 --> 03:20:18,780
here by Mr. Nibial Khoja, and he's seeking an accessory alcohol license for the Billiards

2078
03:20:18,780 --> 03:20:26,740
Hall that is already open in the suite. This is the location of the former Red Fox Billiards

2079
03:20:26,740 --> 03:20:30,900
Hall. If you remember that one that closed recently, so it's on the second floor of the Peachtree

2080
03:20:30,900 --> 03:20:32,920
She's really in shopping center in the corner up by H-Mart.

2081
03:20:33,600 --> 03:20:36,000
It's about a 5600 square foot space.

2082
03:20:36,360 --> 03:20:39,300
You can see here the manner of operation, five data employees.

2083
03:20:39,780 --> 03:20:41,400
I should just note, in some of the photos,

2084
03:20:41,640 --> 03:20:44,760
too, the layout is more or less the same as Red Fox had it.

2085
03:20:44,900 --> 03:20:47,440
There's not really made any modifications to the space.

2086
03:20:49,120 --> 03:20:52,240
So these are some photos of what the interior looks like.

2087
03:20:57,280 --> 03:21:00,020
So billiards halls and such are required to have a CUP.

2088
03:21:00,020 --> 03:21:05,060
they actually acquired one in 2018 from the City Council and variances as well.

2089
03:21:05,900 --> 03:21:10,000
The alcohol license though that Red Fox had alcohol licenses are not allowed to transfer

2090
03:21:10,000 --> 03:21:14,560
from one owner to the other so to get a new one they had to come before you guys.

2091
03:21:15,080 --> 03:21:19,200
Staff and planning commission both recommended approval with one condition just that there

2092
03:21:19,200 --> 03:21:22,960
are be no coin operated amusement devices as defined in our ordinance.

2093
03:21:23,420 --> 03:21:26,620
So that's all I got, the applicant is here if you have any questions.

2094
03:21:27,360 --> 03:21:34,100
Okay, and this is the first read public comment so I'd like to open it up for public comment

2095
03:21:34,100 --> 03:21:40,820
anyone within the chambers I'd like to come up to the podium in favor of the CUP please

2096
03:21:40,820 --> 03:21:48,700
come I don't see anyone and there's no one online so let me close that portion of the

2097
03:21:48,700 --> 03:21:53,160
public comment and open it up for anyone not in favor of the CUP anyone in the chambers

2098
03:21:53,160 --> 03:21:54,280
members please come up to the podium.

2099
03:21:54,920 --> 03:21:56,080
You're allowed 10 minutes.

2100
03:21:56,500 --> 03:21:59,260
Do not see anyone and no one is online,

2101
03:21:59,440 --> 03:22:00,460
so we'll close that portion.

2102
03:22:00,820 --> 03:22:02,580
I'd like to ask the applicant if they're here.

2103
03:22:02,800 --> 03:22:03,840
They'd like to come up and speak.

2104
03:22:04,980 --> 03:22:05,520
Please do.

2105
03:22:13,610 --> 03:22:16,050
Good evening, members of the City Council.

2106
03:22:16,510 --> 03:22:18,090
Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to appear

2107
03:22:18,090 --> 03:22:18,810
before you tonight.

2108
03:22:19,210 --> 03:22:20,250
Once again, my name is Nabil.

2109
03:22:20,470 --> 03:22:21,790
I'm here with my partner in Hanok,

2110
03:22:22,210 --> 03:22:24,110
and we're the owners of Cudistrick located

2111
03:22:24,110 --> 03:22:28,290
at the P3 Pavilion on 60-35 P3 Road.

2112
03:22:28,290 --> 03:22:36,150
We're here tonight to respectfully request approval of our conditional use permit for the cell and service of beer wine and

2113
03:22:36,150 --> 03:22:39,050
spirits as an accessory to our pool hall and sports lounge.

2114
03:22:39,790 --> 03:22:48,310
We're investing in a professionally operated recreational and entertainment facility centered around billiards, sports, food, and social entertainment.

2115
03:22:48,830 --> 03:22:57,030
Our facility is approximately 56, 5,650 square foot with pool tables, large green televisions, projectors, seating area,

2116
03:22:57,030 --> 03:23:01,970
a food service, board games, we've set up leagues as well as professional tournaments.

2117
03:23:02,990 --> 03:23:07,070
Our vision is to provide the type of complete experience that customers have to come to

2118
03:23:07,070 --> 03:23:09,690
expect when they come to a pool hall and sports lounge.

2119
03:23:10,450 --> 03:23:14,310
When someone chooses to spend two, three, or four hours at a facility like ours, they're

2120
03:23:14,310 --> 03:23:15,930
not simply looking for a pool table.

2121
03:23:16,430 --> 03:23:19,970
They're looking for a clean and comfortable environment, quality equipment, good food,

2122
03:23:20,490 --> 03:23:25,090
beverages, sports on television in an atmosphere where they can spend time with friends, family,

2123
03:23:25,090 --> 03:23:26,990
teammates and co-workers.

2124
03:23:28,270 --> 03:23:30,230
This is the experience that we're trying to create.

2125
03:23:30,970 --> 03:23:35,850
Just the ability to provide alcoholic beverages responsibly is an important part of completing

2126
03:23:35,850 --> 03:23:36,710
that expectation.

2127
03:23:37,470 --> 03:23:42,410
This CUP approval will be complimentary to our business, that is not the foundation of

2128
03:23:42,410 --> 03:23:42,850
our business.

2129
03:23:43,510 --> 03:23:46,390
Our primary focus will still remain billiards in a recreation.

2130
03:23:47,350 --> 03:23:50,550
In fact, our operation is specifically designed around that purpose.

2131
03:23:50,550 --> 03:24:04,730
We plan to host pool leagues and tournaments, professional tournaments, including our involvement with the Atlanta professional league, UPA league and APA league, while also providing a casual destination for people who want to watch professional and call college sports.

2132
03:24:06,390 --> 03:24:18,030
I believe this permit is considerably important from a business sustainability standpoint, we've made a significant investment in this location, including the build out equipment, pool table staffing and ongoing operating expenses.

2133
03:24:18,030 --> 03:24:21,810
We've committed ourselves to substantial commercial lease and

2134
03:24:21,810 --> 03:24:25,590
decreating a facility that we believe will be an asset to the shopping center.

2135
03:24:27,550 --> 03:24:30,610
Our goal is to build a business that is financially sustainable for

2136
03:24:30,610 --> 03:24:33,170
the long run, not simply open its stores and hope it survives.

2137
03:24:33,690 --> 03:24:41,990
The ability to offer food and alcoholic beverages alongside our primary recreational activities gives us the opportunity to create a stronger and more sustainable business model.

2138
03:24:42,590 --> 03:24:45,710
We're also mindful of the responsibility that comes with an alcohol license.

2139
03:24:45,710 --> 03:24:48,970
We understand that this approval is a privilege, not an entitlement.

2140
03:24:49,530 --> 03:24:53,910
Our plan is to having management, present during operations, properly trained employees,

2141
03:24:54,530 --> 03:24:59,930
involved in alcohol service and increasing staff during evenings, weekends, tournaments, and major sporting events.

2142
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:29,940
A designated manager will be responsible for overseeing alcohol service and compliance while maintaining a safe and orderly environment. Our facility, once again, is 5,600 foot square foot, square foot, which also gives us something very important space. We're not proposing a small overcrowded establishment where customers are packed together. Our layout provides room for accountable seating, 16 pool tables, circulation, dining, and social interaction. That offers our staff to maintain a visibility of the facility and maintain the operation

2143
03:25:29,940 --> 03:25:34,900
appropriately. We're part of an established commercial plaza that already includes entertainment,

2144
03:25:35,220 --> 03:25:39,620
dining, and businesses that serve alcohol beverages. Our neighboring business, the next

2145
03:25:39,620 --> 03:25:44,240
storm, Mike's karaoke already operates as a full service bar. Other businesses within the

2146
03:25:44,240 --> 03:25:49,340
applause also incorporate alcohol beverages into their operations. Our proposal is different

2147
03:25:49,340 --> 03:25:54,400
because we're bringing something to the plaza that currently does not have a dedicated billiards

2148
03:25:54,400 --> 03:25:59,640
and sports entertainment destination. We believe that Q-districts adds diversity to the plaza rather

2149
03:25:59,640 --> 03:26:01,040
than taking away from what is there.

2150
03:26:01,560 --> 03:26:03,100
Someone may come to the center for karaoke.

2151
03:26:03,460 --> 03:26:06,000
Someone may come for dinner or shopping at the H-Mart.

2152
03:26:06,460 --> 03:26:10,480
Or someone may come to Q-District for a pool tournament or simply to watch a football game.

2153
03:26:11,200 --> 03:26:14,860
These uses can complement one another and help the shopping center a stronger destination.

2154
03:26:15,460 --> 03:26:18,000
We want Q-District to be a long-term business in Dorville.

2155
03:26:20,410 --> 03:26:24,870
Our location is directly connected to the Pringle Amputator in the assembly studios,

2156
03:26:25,030 --> 03:26:30,530
which serves as the natural destination of our business and we fall literally in the backyard of the newly built venues.

2157
03:26:30,530 --> 03:26:37,090
We understand that the Pringle Amputators and important parts of Dorville's future as a destination for entertainment and community activity.

2158
03:26:37,710 --> 03:26:42,570
After attending outdoor events, concerts, or other activities at the Amputator and assembly studios,

2159
03:26:42,750 --> 03:26:51,650
guests would have the opportunity to continue their evening at Q-District and enjoy a professional recreation venue and safe and responsible environment.

2160
03:26:52,370 --> 03:26:57,450
So to close, we believe this permit will allow us to provide a more complete customer experience,

2161
03:26:57,450 --> 03:27:02,750
remain competitive with comparable and similar entertainment venues around the Atlanta area

2162
03:27:03,370 --> 03:27:07,710
support the long-term sustainability of our business and contribute positively to the commercial

2163
03:27:07,710 --> 03:27:13,810
center and the surrounding community. So once again, we'd like to thank Mr. Albert, Ms. Ezebel

2164
03:27:13,810 --> 03:27:19,090
and Assistant and Austin as well and Assistant for the preparation of this meeting and for the rest

2165
03:27:19,090 --> 03:27:23,790
of the members of the council. We appreciate the opportunity to request for this approval.

2166
03:27:24,510 --> 03:27:25,950
I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

2167
03:27:26,750 --> 03:27:27,670
Thank you.

2168
03:27:28,090 --> 03:27:33,250
In Austin, before I open it up to Council, I just have one question you've got to refresh my memory.

2169
03:27:33,970 --> 03:27:42,130
So there was that billiard place that we only allowed beer and wine, correct, but not spirits.

2170
03:27:42,670 --> 03:27:44,650
And what was the reasoning because?

2171
03:27:45,050 --> 03:27:45,970
What was the reasoning for that?

2172
03:27:46,290 --> 03:27:46,630
I forgot.

2173
03:27:47,550 --> 03:27:49,150
There were a couple, but a lot of.

2174
03:27:49,150 --> 03:27:54,410
No, it was, yeah, it was the one along with you for a highway across from, you know, it was on the second floor.

2175
03:27:56,530 --> 03:28:02,930
When, thank you, when club maybe trying to undo the competition when there were a couple of reasons for that.

2176
03:28:03,050 --> 03:28:09,870
I mean, one of the ones was that they started operating before coming to council.

2177
03:28:09,890 --> 03:28:11,510
So we were kind of working backwards on that one.

2178
03:28:11,510 --> 03:28:13,770
And so we kind of had some code enforcement.

2179
03:28:14,030 --> 03:28:17,090
Yeah, she was that we were dealing with on that one.

2180
03:28:17,650 --> 03:28:25,450
But was it nothing to do with like the mental pool tables or people or any of that stuff wasn't some of that was part of it in the kitchen and working backwards like they didn't have a kitchen

2181
03:28:26,510 --> 03:28:32,130
They have it was a very small venue. So they're their options for other revenue were a lot smaller

2182
03:28:32,130 --> 03:28:37,250
This is a much bigger venue. Okay. Yeah, that's what I was wondering because it's like your food sales and your alcohol

2183
03:28:37,250 --> 03:28:41,630
It's like has to be more food sales and all and that's what we were worried about and was smaller because

2184
03:28:41,630 --> 03:28:47,090
Well, the accessory alcohol is just, you know, it's, it can be food sales, but it can also be something else about your business.

2185
03:28:47,090 --> 03:28:50,150
That's probably revenue as opposed to just the.

2186
03:28:51,990 --> 03:28:58,990
Okay, so they're sort of allowed to have all three of the council wishes, per our code or ordinance or anything like.

2187
03:28:59,110 --> 03:29:02,390
You approve the request as written the other a lot to have your wine and spirits.

2188
03:29:02,710 --> 03:29:03,850
Okay, just want to make sure.

2189
03:29:04,330 --> 03:29:05,690
Let me have a council member.

2190
03:29:23,510 --> 03:29:31,170
That's the biggest concern I have, there's no gambling or nothing going on, or is there any closed doors in the, you know, there's a

2191
03:29:32,030 --> 03:29:35,810
I'm trying to see a little room down there in the corner.

2192
03:29:41,630 --> 03:29:45,150
I think there's one closed door, which is like a storage area where you were able to fit.

2193
03:29:45,830 --> 03:29:53,210
It's probably the top left of the area, but it's less than maybe one or two, three foot tables in there.

2194
03:29:53,490 --> 03:29:59,170
So it's a very limited storage where we just store the cleaning supplies and additional storage.

2195
03:29:59,170 --> 03:29:59,850
Wait.

2196
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:18,980
The police come, they put their clothing or the purses or whatnot, exactly, very minimal, minimal specs. It's a list at six feet, right? Okay. I'm just, I'm just wondering about some of the stuff. But thank you, I appreciate it. That's always my biggest concern. And that I'm good. Thank you, Councilmember Evans.

2197
03:30:21,440 --> 03:30:23,240
Thank you. And thank you all for being here.

2198
03:30:25,560 --> 03:30:31,540
The sports lounge piece. Is that a seating area in front of TVs? If you're having events?

2199
03:30:31,540 --> 03:30:36,020
I don't see it represented in a photo, so where is that exactly?

2200
03:30:36,380 --> 03:30:42,800
So we have seen around the entire building, as you may see, it's not a specifically designated seating area,

2201
03:30:43,060 --> 03:30:46,840
but this is just like an additional asset that we added to our business,

2202
03:30:46,840 --> 03:30:51,120
just rather than having one destination, like just pool players coming in.

2203
03:30:52,100 --> 03:30:55,120
We're a lot of, I would say, for sports fanatics.

2204
03:30:55,420 --> 03:30:57,200
So anytime there's a game one, I'm up there watching it.

2205
03:30:57,300 --> 03:31:00,620
So I'm not much myself a competitive pool player, I would say.

2206
03:31:00,620 --> 03:31:07,400
It's just like a casual player, but this was a great business opportunity, so we wanted to add another asset that could potentially bring in revenue, which is

2207
03:31:08,760 --> 03:31:15,340
Sports so there's not to directly answer your question. There's not a specific seating area right across where we currently have the big projectors

2208
03:31:15,340 --> 03:31:17,060
But throughout the entirety of the building

2209
03:31:17,680 --> 03:31:22,360
We do have seats and tables that customers can kind of relax on

2210
03:31:23,200 --> 03:31:24,540
And then the

2211
03:31:24,540 --> 03:31:37,560
But if you can go to the diagram, I just hard to read the box in the area to the right kind of where the highlight is, what area is that, to the far right, with the door opening?

2212
03:31:41,720 --> 03:31:41,980
Yes.

2213
03:31:42,200 --> 03:31:44,900
As existing exit door is what's highlighted, and that looks like a patio.

2214
03:31:45,080 --> 03:31:48,240
So that's to the staircase area out front of the door.

2215
03:31:48,460 --> 03:31:54,140
Okay, so just to clarify, I'm not sure if this is like a perfect representation, but essentially it's three suites.

2216
03:31:54,140 --> 03:32:07,500
So right now there's three exits. So it's sweet A to 13 to 14 to 15. It's been combined into one suite. So there's three exit signs. And I believe where the yellow is. That's the first exit from the back patio.

2217
03:32:08,060 --> 03:32:12,100
But that's not the main entrance as you see the front door is where the front entrance is.

2218
03:32:12,500 --> 03:32:14,600
And you're serving like a fool.

2219
03:32:15,180 --> 03:32:20,540
You have a full kitchen for serving food or we're just talking like pretzels chips. Yes, we do. We have a full kitchen.

2220
03:32:24,280 --> 03:32:28,020
So, as you can see, it's close to the bar area, it's to the right of the bar area.

2221
03:32:28,100 --> 03:32:28,500
Oh, to the right.

2222
03:32:28,620 --> 03:32:28,820
Okay.

2223
03:32:29,000 --> 03:32:29,220
Yes.

2224
03:32:30,180 --> 03:32:30,740
All right.

2225
03:32:30,860 --> 03:32:31,120
That's it.

2226
03:32:31,280 --> 03:32:31,680
Thank you.

2227
03:32:33,300 --> 03:32:34,040
Councilmember Henshaw.

2228
03:32:34,580 --> 03:32:35,280
No questions.

2229
03:32:36,020 --> 03:32:36,640
Councilmember Ray?

2230
03:32:37,040 --> 03:32:37,500
No questions.

2231
03:32:38,400 --> 03:32:40,120
Would anyone like to wave first read?

2232
03:32:40,600 --> 03:32:41,560
The commotion to wave first read.

2233
03:32:41,900 --> 03:32:42,080
Second.

2234
03:32:42,980 --> 03:32:43,560
All right.

2235
03:32:45,060 --> 03:32:46,940
Councilmember Henshaw made a motion.

2236
03:32:47,140 --> 03:32:48,040
Councilmember Ray, second.

2237
03:32:48,300 --> 03:32:48,760
All in favor?

2238
03:32:49,020 --> 03:32:49,160
Aye.

2239
03:32:49,160 --> 03:32:49,460
All right, bye.

2240
03:32:50,120 --> 03:32:54,280
All right, would anyone like to make a motion on this?

2241
03:32:54,420 --> 03:32:57,300
Motion to approve, CUP 26-04,

2242
03:32:57,680 --> 03:33:00,360
with the notes as in the packet from staff.

2243
03:33:01,160 --> 03:33:01,820
Is there a second?

2244
03:33:02,080 --> 03:33:02,420
Second.

2245
03:33:03,240 --> 03:33:03,820
Any discussion?

2246
03:33:05,560 --> 03:33:06,460
I'll call roll.

2247
03:33:06,760 --> 03:33:07,400
Council member Ray?

2248
03:33:07,740 --> 03:33:07,920
Yes.

2249
03:33:08,560 --> 03:33:09,620
Council member Nasser?

2250
03:33:10,500 --> 03:33:10,720
Yes.

2251
03:33:11,060 --> 03:33:11,920
Council member Henshaw?

2252
03:33:12,100 --> 03:33:12,280
Yes.

2253
03:33:12,600 --> 03:33:13,280
Council member Evans.

2254
03:33:13,560 --> 03:33:13,720
Yes.

2255
03:33:14,040 --> 03:33:14,560
Motion passes.

2256
03:33:14,860 --> 03:33:15,820
You've got to vote for yourself.

2257
03:33:16,480 --> 03:33:16,720
Mm-hmm.

2258
03:33:18,240 --> 03:33:21,880
I don't think Mayor Pro Tem can vote, right, unless it's a tie.

2259
03:33:24,440 --> 03:33:24,740
I don't know.

2260
03:33:24,960 --> 03:33:25,400
Cecil?

2261
03:33:26,760 --> 03:33:29,320
I thought, I know I can't make a motion.

2262
03:33:31,080 --> 03:33:34,500
Can I suppose to vote as Mayor Pro Tem?

2263
03:33:34,620 --> 03:33:35,200
As Mayor Pro Tem?

2264
03:33:37,600 --> 03:33:38,040
Yes.

2265
03:33:38,720 --> 03:33:39,640
No, I don't really know.

2266
03:33:41,080 --> 03:33:41,380
All right.

2267
03:33:41,880 --> 03:33:47,160
So I guess on to reports and presentations and Jude.

2268
03:33:48,280 --> 03:33:49,020
you're up.

2269
03:33:53,310 --> 03:33:55,050
Congratulations and welcome to the doorbell.

2270
03:33:57,840 --> 03:33:58,960
All right.

2271
03:34:02,400 --> 03:34:06,320
Okay. Great. Hi, hello everybody. Good night and good morning.

2272
03:34:06,820 --> 03:34:12,840
My name is Jude Wagesbach. I am the GIS administrator for the City of

2273
03:34:12,840 --> 03:34:16,800
Doorbell. I have with me Alexander Sweet, our GIS technician.

2274
03:34:17,560 --> 03:34:23,060
And we are here to provide an update on some things we've been working on over

2275
03:34:23,060 --> 03:34:24,540
for the past few months.

2276
03:34:25,960 --> 03:34:28,300
So we've got the Capital Projects

2277
03:34:28,300 --> 03:34:30,380
Coordination Web Application.

2278
03:34:31,060 --> 03:34:35,340
And this is now posted live on door of you,

2279
03:34:35,700 --> 03:34:37,320
the city's open data portal.

2280
03:34:37,940 --> 03:34:41,660
So I invite you all to kind of scroll along on your phones.

2281
03:34:41,740 --> 03:34:42,980
We've got a mobile version of this too.

2282
03:34:43,140 --> 03:34:45,760
You can play along with as I give the presentation,

2283
03:34:45,960 --> 03:34:46,340
if you'd like.

2284
03:34:47,820 --> 03:34:51,600
So what this is, this web application is gonna keep track

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03:34:51,600 --> 03:34:59,980
of all of the capital projects that the city staff is currently working on and that we have worked on

2286
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:20,460
So it's a nice comprehensive tracking solution. Why we have created this one here is that our previous solution was this one shown on the screen here. Now this solution was not much of a solution. It was several story maps piece together. It was three.

2287
03:35:28,530 --> 03:35:35,210
Okay, wonderful. So this was essentially three PowerPoint presentations, sort of glued together.

2288
03:35:35,210 --> 03:35:37,190
is was our previous, I

2289
03:35:40,230 --> 03:35:49,150
think I'm losing battery over here, maybe I can shout, there's one right in front of you, that's plugged in right there,

2290
03:35:51,920 --> 03:35:53,680
now you need to come to the microphone.

2291
03:36:04,080 --> 03:36:18,360
Hello? Okay, wonderful. So as I was saying, the previous solution was just a couple of power points essentially, all glued together, you can see how this would be problematic for city staff to keep updated, we have three separate.

2292
03:36:19,480 --> 03:36:26,240
essentially like power points we're trying to all keep updated if we had say for

2293
03:36:26,240 --> 03:36:31,800
instance like the capital paving project is does that go in the development section

2294
03:36:31,800 --> 03:36:36,520
is that infrastructure what if it's grant funded which one do we put this in so

2295
03:36:36,520 --> 03:36:45,600
our solution was to scrap all of that completely and if you want to scroll ahead so

2296
03:36:45,600 --> 03:36:53,040
So this is our new capital project tracker rather than being one in three.

2297
03:36:53,300 --> 03:36:55,060
It is now three in one.

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03:36:55,480 --> 03:37:01,780
So what that means is that our project tracker comes with three simple tabs up at the top

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03:37:02,740 --> 03:37:04,440
for city staff to utilize.

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03:37:05,200 --> 03:37:07,620
So the first one is the new project tab.

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03:37:07,880 --> 03:37:09,580
So this one's pretty straightforward.

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03:37:09,580 --> 03:37:16,860
If you want to add a new project into the application, then you can click the little plus button.

2303
03:37:17,300 --> 03:37:21,540
You can zoom in and then add your feature wherever you'd like.

2304
03:37:22,340 --> 03:37:32,500
Over on the right side is the Details panel, which allows you to select the type of project that this is.

2305
03:37:32,500 --> 03:37:42,820
So once you select that and say we add a utilities over here, then the experience essentially

2306
03:37:43,460 --> 03:37:48,860
leads the user through predetermined details on the side.

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03:37:49,040 --> 03:37:56,000
So it basically asks you to put in your project ID, your project number, phase, and so on.

2308
03:37:56,100 --> 03:37:58,320
Estimated cost, all of that great stuff.

2309
03:37:59,800 --> 03:38:06,620
So the plus side for that is that it keeps our data consistent from one to another that's

2310
03:38:06,620 --> 03:38:12,640
just a series of drop down menus so that we don't have a thousand different misspellings

2311
03:38:12,640 --> 03:38:13,380
and things like that.

2312
03:38:13,480 --> 03:38:15,260
So it's a really good way to keep our data consistent.

2313
03:38:16,340 --> 03:38:24,220
Moving on to the next tab, this is the management portion of the solution.

2314
03:38:24,220 --> 03:38:28,400
So, this is after all of the projects have been created and

2315
03:38:28,400 --> 03:38:35,200
inputted, this is the master table list that allows one to very easily and quickly go through.

2316
03:38:35,920 --> 03:38:42,220
And correct any mistakes, make any edits, update these features, and so on.

2317
03:38:42,540 --> 03:38:52,280
So, for instance, if we have the new picture of multi-use path, that's a project that I've just going off the top of the head here.

2318
03:38:52,280 --> 03:38:59,960
I think it's a developing project so if we wanted to move that into the active phase

2319
03:38:59,960 --> 03:39:01,840
we could do that from this section here.

2320
03:39:03,780 --> 03:39:05,460
There's several different ways to edit.

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03:39:05,640 --> 03:39:06,580
You can click over there.

2322
03:39:06,780 --> 03:39:08,160
You can click inside the table.

2323
03:39:08,600 --> 03:39:14,320
It's pretty straightforward and it's got a good flow to it.

2324
03:39:15,200 --> 03:39:21,860
So moving along to the final aspect is the tracking solution.

2325
03:39:21,860 --> 03:39:30,520
So, this tracking dashboard is what is publicly accessible on the open data portal.

2326
03:39:30,960 --> 03:39:38,640
So, this is where residents, citizens, basically anyone can come and take a look and see what door vill has been up to.

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03:39:39,160 --> 03:39:40,220
You can take a look.

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03:39:40,880 --> 03:39:48,020
So, on the left side of the pane, we have just a giant list of all of the projects that we've been working on, all 41 of them.

2329
03:39:48,780 --> 03:39:51,500
This time record only goes back, I think, to 2021.

2330
03:39:51,860 --> 03:39:55,840
Doraville has done way more than 41 projects, but the just for

2331
03:39:55,840 --> 03:39:58,140
the data that we've put in has been this 41.

2332
03:39:58,580 --> 03:39:59,820
We've got our nice funding.

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03:40:05,540 --> 03:40:29,980
We have a project status donut. And if you click in there, it will actually filter our projects to show only the active, only the completed, et cetera, and so on. Similarly, the project type doughnut acts in the same way. If you want to see what stormwater projects we have, and you can easily click in there, it will actually filter our projects to show only the active, only the completed, et cetera, and so on.

2334
03:40:29,980 --> 03:40:39,160
click that and see. At the bottom we have our bar table that just shows the the

2335
03:40:39,160 --> 03:40:44,060
years that these projects were active in and of course because this is a live

2336
03:40:44,060 --> 03:40:50,440
demonstration the right panel cannot access the data. So naturally that's

2337
03:40:50,440 --> 03:40:53,940
fantastic. It was working phenomenally well earlier today.

2338
03:40:56,360 --> 03:40:59,960
I just want to put

2339
03:40:59,960 --> 03:41:06,540
fix this. What you're going to see on the right side of the screen is the details tab,

2340
03:41:06,880 --> 03:41:11,840
basically the meat and potatoes. Everything I wanted to show you guys. So it goes into details,

2341
03:41:12,240 --> 03:41:18,100
again, it'll tell you if the project is active, proposed, completed. We've got a breakdown

2342
03:41:19,200 --> 03:41:23,880
on the project details. What is the project all about? Why are we doing this?

2343
03:41:24,940 --> 03:41:30,160
As well as that, it includes a funding table which I was really looking forward to showing

2344
03:41:30,160 --> 03:41:30,660
you guys.

2345
03:41:31,360 --> 03:41:37,100
So the funding table breaks down the total project funding, you know, for instance if we've

2346
03:41:37,100 --> 03:41:44,300
got 100 grand to fix these sidewalks, maybe we've got a $50,000 grant from the housing and

2347
03:41:44,300 --> 03:41:48,300
urban development and maybe the city is only putting in another 50k.

2348
03:41:48,300 --> 03:41:57,440
We have an itemized receipts essentially that we've put in there alongside just some nice lovely photos of the projects.

2349
03:41:58,680 --> 03:42:12,420
Oh, nice. Yeah. Okay. So there's the funding table right there. Yeah. Very tiny. Beautiful. Okay. So continuing on down past the tracking panel.

2350
03:42:12,420 --> 03:42:19,820
And then finally, the final piece is we've, this is the splash screen that Alex has been

2351
03:42:19,820 --> 03:42:26,580
working on putting together, and this is essentially a how-to guide on how to use this in case

2352
03:42:26,580 --> 03:42:29,980
my very hurried presentation wasn't enough.

2353
03:42:30,820 --> 03:42:32,500
So it basically walks.

2354
03:42:33,020 --> 03:42:36,980
We've got two versions of the splash screen, one for staff, and then one for the public to

2355
03:42:36,980 --> 03:42:41,900
use. In the same way that there are, we're doing that behind the scenes anyway.

2356
03:42:42,440 --> 03:42:47,100
There's one for staff to use, and then one for the public to use. So this one helps

2357
03:42:47,100 --> 03:42:51,580
the staff come through, tells them how they can make the new project, how you can manage

2358
03:42:51,580 --> 03:42:55,220
it, and then how to use the tracking solution at the end.

2359
03:42:57,300 --> 03:43:00,200
And I believe that is all, we've

2360
03:43:00,200 --> 03:43:05,240
got some nice pictures though, down at the bottom, if you want to scroll to that. Alex,

2361
03:43:05,240 --> 03:43:12,600
yeah beautiful look at our parks questions yeah thank you June I'll open up to

2362
03:43:12,600 --> 03:43:19,240
council if they have any questions or comments council member Henshaw no I'm just

2363
03:43:19,240 --> 03:43:22,420
sorry you had to go through the whole it always works until you need to

2364
03:43:22,420 --> 03:43:27,820
present and then it doesn't but your your presentations are always great and yeah

2365
03:43:27,820 --> 03:43:31,420
this is good we get a lot of residents going where we're kind of go for

2366
03:43:31,420 --> 03:43:35,120
information you know this is just gonna be one of those great resources that they

2367
03:43:35,120 --> 03:43:41,200
have access to. So I hope I just the city will promote this somehow or by a very big

2368
03:43:41,200 --> 03:43:44,600
link somewhere on the covers street. I want to know more about our projects click here

2369
03:43:44,600 --> 03:43:48,840
and then it takes it right to them and other than that. Great so. Thank you.

2370
03:43:49,260 --> 03:43:54,580
And you can't remember, right? Yeah, I'll just say I'm a good presentation. No questions

2371
03:43:54,580 --> 03:43:58,640
probably until I play around with it and then I'll have a few and but I think this is awesome.

2372
03:43:58,800 --> 03:44:02,960
It's good transparency and it'd be nice to one advertise it but then have something to point to

2373
03:44:02,960 --> 03:44:05,540
And it's like, hey, this is where the money's going.

2374
03:44:05,680 --> 03:44:06,360
Here's what's upcoming.

2375
03:44:06,780 --> 03:44:07,500
Here's the progress.

2376
03:44:07,680 --> 03:44:08,940
I think this is a great addition.

2377
03:44:09,080 --> 03:44:10,000
Thank you for putting it together.

2378
03:44:10,100 --> 03:44:10,360
Thank you.

2379
03:44:11,020 --> 03:44:11,440
Thank you.

2380
03:44:11,720 --> 03:44:12,360
Councilmember Evans.

2381
03:44:13,900 --> 03:44:14,500
Well, thank you.

2382
03:44:14,580 --> 03:44:15,080
This is amazing.

2383
03:44:15,500 --> 03:44:17,980
This is actually something I've been asking for for a few years.

2384
03:44:18,240 --> 03:44:21,880
And I think it's a great way to raise it to be transparent.

2385
03:44:22,520 --> 03:44:24,000
And keep up with different projects

2386
03:44:24,000 --> 03:44:26,280
so we have so many going on at the same time.

2387
03:44:26,480 --> 03:44:29,620
So what's the status, what's all this having to ask staff?

2388
03:44:29,620 --> 03:44:30,720
Wait, what's the status this?

2389
03:44:30,840 --> 03:44:31,560
What's the update for that?

2390
03:44:31,560 --> 03:44:34,380
and then trying to give that information back to residents because they've asked.

2391
03:44:35,160 --> 03:44:39,480
Now we have a place to point them and look it up and see where it is active for

2392
03:44:39,480 --> 03:44:42,660
programs completed, et cetera. So thank you for doing that.

2393
03:44:43,320 --> 03:44:48,460
A few questions around that. Is this truly an app or is it browser-based?

2394
03:44:49,600 --> 03:44:53,220
It's browser-based, yeah. So you don't have to download anything. You can just go

2395
03:44:53,220 --> 03:44:57,700
straight to the website and access it either on your mobile device or on your

2396
03:44:57,700 --> 03:44:58,540
personal computer.

2397
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:29,980
Question the project ID, is there something necessary to have in order to look stuff up, or can you just scroll and look it by name or area? Yeah, you don't need to know anything about any of the projects previously in order to use the application. You can just scroll straight down to the list on the left side. But if there is a project, you have a particular interest in, there's a little search function there as well. Based off to GIS, so is that the only sources pulling from, or is it also using like a comprehensive

2398
03:45:29,980 --> 03:45:33,640
or hints of plan or other projects that we're working on outside of that.

2399
03:45:34,000 --> 03:45:40,240
Yes, so we pulled all of our information from all of these sources that we could find,

2400
03:45:40,240 --> 03:45:48,080
so that includes comprehensive plans, non-comprehensive plans, it includes talking to China, a lot,

2401
03:45:48,260 --> 03:45:55,480
in her doorway, so we put all of that information into our GIS systems, essentially, and digitized it.

2402
03:45:56,020 --> 03:46:00,460
And the one thing I didn't see, and I'm not sure if it's there, but it's a good idea

2403
03:46:00,460 --> 03:46:00,920
if it's not.

2404
03:46:01,460 --> 03:46:07,320
Are there links in the projects to more specific information like the actual ordinance or

2405
03:46:07,320 --> 03:46:09,160
read this section for more details?

2406
03:46:09,760 --> 03:46:11,220
Is that something in there or coming?

2407
03:46:11,340 --> 03:46:12,040
Yeah, yeah.

2408
03:46:12,160 --> 03:46:12,960
I'm glad you asked that.

2409
03:46:13,040 --> 03:46:21,240
That was the one thing I glossed over in my memory of what was on that right details side

2410
03:46:21,240 --> 03:46:26,480
that wasn't functioning tonight so there is a link that will take you to further

2411
03:46:26,480 --> 03:46:31,360
documentation on each of those projects so if there's an item out to bid it'll

2412
03:46:31,360 --> 03:46:35,900
take you to the bid opportunities page on the city's website if there's a plan

2413
03:46:35,900 --> 03:46:44,620
then it'll link you straight to that too. Thank you. Councilmember Nasser. Thank

2414
03:46:44,620 --> 03:46:50,320
you great presentation. I just want to clarify I started things is for public which

2415
03:46:50,320 --> 03:46:53,500
which is this is accessible on our door of the website, right?

2416
03:46:53,880 --> 03:46:54,540
Yes, that's right.

2417
03:46:54,900 --> 03:46:55,700
It's already live.

2418
03:46:56,500 --> 03:46:57,560
Yes, it's live.

2419
03:46:58,360 --> 03:46:58,520
Okay.

2420
03:47:00,140 --> 03:47:01,560
That's pretty much it.

2421
03:47:01,700 --> 03:47:07,340
I just want to, you know, public to know that what's going on

2422
03:47:07,340 --> 03:47:10,900
and these are available and accessible, easy, accessible

2423
03:47:10,900 --> 03:47:12,800
to others, those who are listening.

2424
03:47:13,360 --> 03:47:13,700
Thank you.

2425
03:47:13,940 --> 03:47:15,040
Yeah, for sure, thank you.

2426
03:47:15,840 --> 03:47:16,740
Thank you, Jube.

2427
03:47:19,840 --> 03:47:20,840
Yes, we're good.

2428
03:47:20,840 --> 03:47:22,280
And that takes care of that.

2429
03:47:22,320 --> 03:47:27,860
We'll go to the second discussion item with Chris LeFour with the Honey Suckel Park Master Plan.

2430
03:47:39,210 --> 03:47:40,950
All right, good evening, Mayor and Council.

2431
03:47:41,190 --> 03:47:43,350
I am going to be extremely brief.

2432
03:47:44,270 --> 03:47:47,550
So I'm here to discuss just the Parks Master Plan.

2433
03:47:47,870 --> 03:47:53,190
Previously we discussed some of the early concepts that most designs put together.

2434
03:47:53,730 --> 03:48:01,170
And we were tasked with trying to identify a way to phase the project simply because we can do all the project all at once.

2435
03:48:01,170 --> 03:48:16,430
Now during those conversations, the plan, the concepts that they put together that you guys previously saw they were not feasible and not only were they not feasible, but they would have impacted our park programming to a point where it would essentially be unusable.

2436
03:48:16,870 --> 03:48:20,690
So we asked them to put together two other concepts for us to share with you guys tonight.

2437
03:48:21,250 --> 03:48:27,630
So one of the main differences here in the main concept here is the location of the pool.

2438
03:48:28,750 --> 03:48:41,730
And just a couple small changes to loop around the park here, and on the right hand side I'm just kind of showing you guys what the estimated total cost for this concept would be about $20 to $26 million in total.

2439
03:48:42,250 --> 03:48:45,730
So what I'll do now, I'll go down to the first phase of this project.

2440
03:48:46,270 --> 03:48:55,290
If we were to select phase one, the first phase of this project would include the installation of the pool, as well as the additional parking necessary for the park.

2441
03:48:55,710 --> 03:48:58,570
The estimated cost for that, around $10 to $11.5 million.

2442
03:48:59,730 --> 03:49:12,050
For concept two, that would include the renovations necessary over at the current football field, as well as some additional parking and a small turnaround as you can see estimated cost for that, $2 to $3 million.

2443
03:49:13,150 --> 03:49:41,710
Phase 3 of this project would be the installation of a multi-purpose field which I think would be used lives mostly for soccer we had them we had them include some baseball because that was something that was missing in the previous plans as well as some of the park areas as you see right there and the estimated cost for that 10 to 11 million dollars for the third phase and the fourth phase of the project would essentially include the pickleball courts in the top right hand side.

2444
03:49:41,710 --> 03:49:47,610
of the image, one to $1.5 million for the fourth phase of this concept.

2445
03:49:48,910 --> 03:49:52,710
Moving on into, wait, do we have another one? Yeah, we do have another one.

2446
03:49:53,030 --> 03:49:56,750
So this is the second concept. There we go.

2447
03:49:57,230 --> 03:49:59,730
This is the second concept that they provided to us.

2448
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:27,260
Really, the main changes here in this concept is also the location of the pool and the estimated total cost for this project, $20 to $25 million, and I'll essentially show you the main difference here in terms of the phases. We have five total phases for this project, and this would be the first phase if we went with concept to the estimated total cost, $7 to about $8.5 million.

2449
03:50:27,260 --> 03:50:43,360
The biggest difference between this phase of this concept versus the first, we wouldn't have any additional parking which is a bit of a concern we'd have to utilize some of the existing parking, but we'd still be able to keep our programs going forward.

2450
03:50:43,980 --> 03:50:51,460
Second phase of this project would include the additional parking that would be necessary for the pool estimated costs two to two and a half million dollars.

2451
03:50:51,460 --> 03:51:19,300
The third phase of this project would be the renovations to the football field and the field house two to two and a half million dollars, fourth phase would essentially be all the additional parking, the multi-use parks, multi-use fields, parks, basketball courts, and there is a fifth phase to this project, which would be about one one and a half million dollars, which would be utilized for the additional pick-a-ball courts and estimated cost one to $1.5 million.

2452
03:51:19,300 --> 03:51:28,360
So essentially this, that's really all I have to share with you guys, there's some additional information in the packet just kind of breaking down the estimated cost for you guys.

2453
03:51:28,960 --> 03:51:33,780
But we just wanted to continue the conversation to see which direction we want to go in.

2454
03:51:34,680 --> 03:51:42,340
Again, the purpose is to select something that is feasible so we know how we're going to move forward to try to get these projects going.

2455
03:51:42,960 --> 03:51:45,240
Or find 30 million dollars all at once.

2456
03:51:45,920 --> 03:51:51,500
Thank you Chris and I like the presentation how you phased it with estimated cost before I open up cancel

2457
03:51:51,500 --> 03:51:56,740
I just had two quick questions the just for the public the reason concept one

2458
03:51:58,460 --> 03:52:00,260
The reason concept one

2459
03:52:00,880 --> 03:52:06,340
Pool cost was a little highest because there was more parking and concrete involved in that phase one compared to

2460
03:52:06,340 --> 03:52:13,720
Concept two phase one of the pool. Yes, right is correct and I also want to point out I was just remind I just want to point out

2461
03:52:13,720 --> 03:52:20,960
These concepts also include closing off access to the road so you can kind of can't see it in here

2462
03:52:20,960 --> 03:52:26,920
So Maryland job just kind of cuts through into pleasant Valley these concepts essentially would eliminate that

2463
03:52:26,920 --> 03:52:31,960
They'll still be some pedestrian access to the parks that we can include so if that's something you're against

2464
03:52:31,960 --> 03:52:35,520
We can throw that back in there. No problem. I just wanted to make sure I throw that in

2465
03:52:35,520 --> 03:52:40,400
Yeah, and because that's roughly where the stormwater attention pond is and that's good and then

2466
03:52:40,400 --> 03:52:49,860
My only concern on concept 2 is the bottleneck and all up there at the football field, with the round about, compared to concept 1 where you can circle around and loop.

2467
03:52:50,540 --> 03:53:01,940
Those were roughly the two differences. I mean it's about the same pools, same dog park, I think dog park concept 2, 1 is smaller than 2.

2468
03:53:01,940 --> 03:53:09,400
But for the most part I think on concept one the road loops around which helps probably traffic flow a little bit better

2469
03:53:10,340 --> 03:53:14,360
But with that being said, let me open up the council council member Evans

2470
03:53:16,890 --> 03:53:18,890
Thank you. Thanks for the presentation

2471
03:53:21,210 --> 03:53:23,230
Wow, I mean it's a lot to digest

2472
03:53:27,030 --> 03:53:30,290
Well, the dog park still a part of this or they out of the loop

2473
03:53:31,770 --> 03:53:37,070
the dark. I cannot. No, the dog parts are there. They're number four. So on that one, it's

2474
03:53:37,070 --> 03:53:45,450
sent by the detention panel. And then the proposal, I guess the main difference is two pick-a-ball

2475
03:53:45,450 --> 03:53:48,350
courts versus additional six.

2476
03:53:51,420 --> 03:53:54,400
Essentially, the one to the right payment. The pick-a-ball

2477
03:53:54,400 --> 03:53:59,080
courts are the same on each one. What's the courts to the far left number four?

2478
03:53:59,080 --> 03:54:01,660
Our love has been accessible, accessible, how is it okay?

2479
03:54:03,340 --> 03:54:12,680
And I guess my only other question really is, is there a preferential phase one, two, three, four, five, or is it just taking?

2480
03:54:12,740 --> 03:54:15,220
The preference is phase one is a pull.

2481
03:54:15,580 --> 03:54:17,960
Everything else, I think we would just have to figure it out.

2482
03:54:18,020 --> 03:54:28,180
But ideally, the phases that they did put together would kind of help keep the park able to flow with the programming that we have going on without maximum interference.

2483
03:54:28,180 --> 03:54:32,000
So sequential, I think, was sort of what you were asking, canceling your evidence, yeah.

2484
03:54:32,300 --> 03:54:34,260
And that's going to be $10 to $11 million.

2485
03:54:35,320 --> 03:54:36,380
Or which phase?

2486
03:54:36,720 --> 03:54:37,280
For the pool.

2487
03:54:37,640 --> 03:54:37,800
Yes.

2488
03:54:38,140 --> 03:54:41,420
About $10 million for the first phase in concept one.

2489
03:54:41,720 --> 03:54:44,340
I think concept two was about half, seven and a half to eight.

2490
03:54:45,820 --> 03:54:48,020
I mean, of course, I want to see the pool happen.

2491
03:54:48,260 --> 03:54:55,140
But honestly, if it's a million to do courts or to do two million to do a field,

2492
03:54:55,520 --> 03:54:56,760
just to get started.

2493
03:54:57,360 --> 03:54:59,980
I'd prefer that more of a low-hanging food.

2494
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:29,920
We've been waiting to acquire $10 million to do the pool, but still adding funds to do it eventually. But I'd rather have something in nothing regarding phasing it out. That's just my preference. That's it. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Henshaw. Yeah, Warren, I think you touched on a couple of good points. The loop road makes a little bit better sense from a safety standpoint, from an access standpoint, from a fire.

2495
03:55:29,920 --> 03:55:33,420
truck ambulance, you know, that makes more sense to me.

2496
03:55:34,000 --> 03:55:36,080
So, you know, concept one sort of makes more sense.

2497
03:55:36,620 --> 03:55:41,740
Concept one also has a pavilion along with the pool that's a rentable pavilion.

2498
03:55:42,020 --> 03:55:43,540
I think that's missing on concept two.

2499
03:55:44,460 --> 03:55:51,040
I also think concept two is a much more challenging ask from the pool development.

2500
03:55:51,360 --> 03:55:54,860
You have only a pedestrian connection which is going to be a lot more challenging to do

2501
03:55:54,860 --> 03:55:57,160
from an ADA compliance as well as a life safety.

2502
03:55:57,160 --> 03:56:01,400
If an ambulance needs to get to somebody happening at the pool,

2503
03:56:01,560 --> 03:56:06,500
they're going to wheel a stretcher down a cart path to get somebody there.

2504
03:56:06,640 --> 03:56:12,500
Like there's no direct vehicular access, at least with phase one.

2505
03:56:12,860 --> 03:56:16,040
So I think concept one just makes a lot more sense.

2506
03:56:18,040 --> 03:56:22,760
I don't know about the pros and cons of cutting off an entire entrance to the park.

2507
03:56:22,760 --> 03:56:52,740
I don't know if there's a way to have, to shave the dog park down and allow for maybe only emergency access off of Maryland so that if a fire truck or emergency vehicle is there, if there's a way to do that, but it's just, I get controlled access, but this is a lot, I mean, you're talking hundreds and hundreds of cars and potentially thousands of people coming in and so for large events so it's going to become a pretty big bottleneck to not have that second act.

2508
03:56:52,740 --> 03:56:57,260
I understand why they did it, especially with the topography being what they needed in the.

2509
03:56:57,800 --> 03:57:00,860
The above ground storm water saves a lot of money and I get why it's where it is.

2510
03:57:01,060 --> 03:57:05,140
So you can't fight gravity easily or cheaply.

2511
03:57:05,620 --> 03:57:08,780
The only other thing I'd like to see is maybe a beach volleyball court or two.

2512
03:57:08,940 --> 03:57:09,860
They're exceptionally popular.

2513
03:57:10,920 --> 03:57:18,860
So maybe that like little open space next to the building, the open green space, I think it's eight in concept one.

2514
03:57:18,860 --> 03:57:37,680
or maybe just taking one of the pickleball courts and turning it into a beach volleyball or two of the pickleball courts have two beach volleyball courts and then the tennis courts can go either four pickleball courts or two tennis courts and just to get a little bit more variety for residents other than that I really like it.

2515
03:57:37,820 --> 03:57:43,100
I'd love to see what the pool looks like. I know we did costing exercises on it and these are sort of loose costs.

2516
03:57:43,100 --> 03:58:02,940
I'm assuming it's a similar pool to what had been designed previously based on the committee feedback so it's got the zero lip entry and a swim lane and a play area and some sort of thing in it and the splash pad is a part of that project as well so I think you guys captured the essence of it I think they did a good job on the redesign and I appreciate you going back

2517
03:58:04,080 --> 03:58:09,760
with the understanding that it would need to be phased. For those listening obviously this is an insanely expensive thing.

2518
03:58:09,760 --> 03:58:15,100
I mean, Brookhaven passed a $40 million parks bond a couple of years ago.

2519
03:58:15,500 --> 03:58:19,440
Obviously, they're a lot wealthier city than we are, and they're chewing through it pretty quick.

2520
03:58:20,980 --> 03:58:22,820
This is obviously the goal to me.

2521
03:58:23,220 --> 03:58:29,340
I would like to think that our downtown is our number one priority, but once the downtown is done,

2522
03:58:29,480 --> 03:58:35,100
we have a land that we can borrow against or sell to help fund these projects.

2523
03:58:35,500 --> 03:58:41,780
the increased tax base, we can borrow against the increased property values for the SSD, we can borrow against it.

2524
03:58:41,860 --> 03:58:50,560
So there's a lot of incremental financing that we're going to have to go through to achieve this part, but it is good to have a goal.

2525
03:58:53,480 --> 03:58:59,100
Today's not the day to find the money, but I think the concept one's just the better way to go.

2526
03:58:59,580 --> 03:58:59,840
Thank you.

2527
03:59:01,760 --> 03:59:03,100
Thank you, Council Member Nasser.

2528
03:59:03,100 --> 03:59:03,920
Thank

2529
03:59:06,480 --> 03:59:08,160
you, Chris.

2530
03:59:11,340 --> 03:59:19,960
Nicely done, but at the same time, I know we need $30 million to finish that project.

2531
03:59:23,090 --> 03:59:27,730
I like the phase one, which is called so what, 30 million?

2532
03:59:28,870 --> 03:59:30,210
Phase one is rough.

2533
03:59:30,570 --> 03:59:34,150
Well, I'm not Chris saying, but it's roughly 10 million, just give it a take.

2534
03:59:34,150 --> 03:59:40,310
yeah phase one right around 10 million yeah 10 to 11 and a half million dollars and these are very

2535
03:59:40,310 --> 03:59:45,450
very very conservative estimates so you won't know until you bit it out.

2536
03:59:53,660 --> 03:59:54,640
I'd like to see it

2537
03:59:54,640 --> 03:59:59,960
started somewhere you know whichever is affordable at this moment after

2538
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:12,740
We build a city hall. Whatever is affordable, we can start somewhere. I mean, I know we don't have enough money, so whatever we have, let's start somewhere. I'd like phase one.

2539
04:00:14,940 --> 04:00:30,820
Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember Ray. Yeah, thank you. Thanks for the presentation, Chris, and getting this put together. I will say I prefer concept one. I like the loop road. I like that the pool is actually kind of off to the side.

2540
04:00:30,820 --> 04:00:35,580
so that that parking is maybe less likely to get taken up by other events happening at the same time.

2541
04:00:36,560 --> 04:00:44,560
One question I did have is phase one for concepts one is 10 million 10 to 11 and a half.

2542
04:00:44,940 --> 04:00:50,540
That does include the storm water retention and the parking additionally over there.

2543
04:00:52,780 --> 04:00:57,660
My highest priority, I want the whole park to get upgraded and I think it's worth discussing

2544
04:00:57,660 --> 04:01:01,080
future funding mechanisms around that at some point, not tonight.

2545
04:01:02,860 --> 04:01:07,580
But my question is, based on what I've heard from residents, the pool should be our number

2546
04:01:07,580 --> 04:01:08,120
one priority.

2547
04:01:09,280 --> 04:01:13,600
Pools are increasingly difficult to access unless you are already in a fluent person.

2548
04:01:14,020 --> 04:01:19,180
And I know that our pool was maxed out all the time and we had plenty of people using it.

2549
04:01:19,460 --> 04:01:26,900
Would we be able to, with phase one, modify it to be just the pool and perhaps an access

2550
04:01:26,900 --> 04:01:33,480
road over to the built out stormwater retention pond so that we can lower the price tag on that

2551
04:01:33,480 --> 04:01:38,680
and potentially fund that sooner. So you're saying I want to make sure I heard you

2552
04:01:38,680 --> 04:01:44,080
right. So just the pool and you said access road to what? So we would have the pool and the pool

2553
04:01:44,080 --> 04:01:49,500
parking but it also right now is including the road that goes to the additional parking and the

2554
04:01:49,500 --> 04:01:54,900
retention pond. And I'm saying instead of building out an entire road and the additional parking and

2555
04:01:54,900 --> 04:01:58,460
paving, just build out, you know, the retention pond, because I know that's

2556
04:01:58,460 --> 04:02:01,500
going to be necessary, or even saving that for the future, but not paying for

2557
04:02:01,500 --> 04:02:06,780
the parking to lower the price tag. And then instead, coupling that with phase

2558
04:02:06,780 --> 04:02:11,100
two, which would be building out that football field, which is when we would need

2559
04:02:11,100 --> 04:02:15,340
the parking over there anyway. So basically, the football field right now

2560
04:02:15,340 --> 04:02:19,220
looks like it's two to three million is the estimate, and the pool is 10 to 11.

2561
04:02:19,340 --> 04:02:22,140
So what I'm saying is, let's shift some of that to the football field

2562
04:02:22,140 --> 04:02:24,740
renovation so that we can get the pool faster.

2563
04:02:25,300 --> 04:02:29,260
Yeah, I would say, I don't want to say here and say it's not possible.

2564
04:02:29,580 --> 04:02:33,700
I would just say where the pool is in phase one for this concept.

2565
04:02:33,820 --> 04:02:38,020
It does eat up a lot of that parking space that was pre-existing.

2566
04:02:38,240 --> 04:02:41,780
But I would just say I'd have them take a look at and see how feasible it is.

2567
04:02:42,040 --> 04:02:42,640
Okay, fair enough.

2568
04:02:43,900 --> 04:02:48,700
Or even considering a step phase where it's a gravel parking lot first or so.

2569
04:02:48,700 --> 04:02:51,540
I'm just creative ways to get the pool faster.

2570
04:02:51,680 --> 04:02:54,400
It is one of the top things I hear from residents when I talk to them.

2571
04:02:54,560 --> 04:02:57,520
Many of them have given up on it all together thinking we're never going to get one.

2572
04:02:58,180 --> 04:03:00,360
And I think it was something that our community used a lot.

2573
04:03:00,840 --> 04:03:09,660
So secondly on that, I'm fine removing the additional road and just having pedestrian access

2574
04:03:09,660 --> 04:03:16,320
from that neighborhood contingent on us when we do this redesign, redesigning the entry point

2575
04:03:16,320 --> 04:03:20,380
to make sure it can handle the amount of people that are going to be at this park,

2576
04:03:20,380 --> 04:03:22,820
especially if it's made to be as nice as it looks.

2577
04:03:25,060 --> 04:03:32,520
Last couple of things. So the fields are those budgeted to be turf fields or natural grass fields?

2578
04:03:32,920 --> 04:03:37,140
They would be, I think the way they designed it was for turf field. And we actually discuss that

2579
04:03:37,620 --> 04:03:44,300
as well because the existing football field there's potential to keep it natural. And I think there's

2580
04:03:44,300 --> 04:03:49,260
some preference for certain sports that keep it natural as well, which would be a pretty significant cost savings.

2581
04:03:49,700 --> 04:03:53,440
Now the new multi-purpose field, that one for sure was designed to be turf.

2582
04:03:54,020 --> 04:04:02,320
Okay. Yeah, I think if we can keep one natural, if it saves money, but I also think that's preferable in a lot of ways, helps with microplastics and everything.

2583
04:04:04,160 --> 04:04:11,960
Like the basketball courts, I would agree. I'm not anti-pickleball, but we have pickleball courts, there's pickleball courts all over the place these days.

2584
04:04:11,960 --> 04:04:24,120
I think if we removed at least one of those pickable courts in favor of volleyball or some other pad that can be, you know, multi-purpose for various sports, that would be ideal as well.

2585
04:04:26,360 --> 04:04:40,240
And yeah, so last comment I would say is as we look at this and move forward and think about, you know, what phase I like phase one being the pool, but I would like to hear from our recreation and parks director on our programming and what's going to get used the most.

2586
04:04:40,700 --> 04:04:54,620
And then if staff could start working with China to present budgeting options that get us there and it might be one that the residents have to vote on to see if we want to take out a bond for this or something like that.

2587
04:04:54,700 --> 04:04:59,860
It's nothing said in stone, but it would be very nice to know what levers we can pull to get there faster.

2588
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:26,580
And then, you know, stowing away half a million dollars a year and hoping we can eventually pay for this. But yes, thank you for the presentation, Chris. Thank you. And I'd just like to add that we heard from residents that they prefer the pool. I've heard the comments about trying to get something done. Do the lower hanging fruits, so to speak on these phases. But then you're taking away money from the pot for the pool. It will take longer. So that was just my comment about that. Councilman Reffens.

2589
04:05:28,620 --> 04:05:36,140
I don't see it here and I want to be price conscious, but just there's a lot of gravel space here for parking.

2590
04:05:36,700 --> 04:05:38,680
And I know parking decks are super expensive.

2591
04:05:39,440 --> 04:05:48,400
But just forward thinking of we may want to expand this park future in the future or at skate park or more volleyball courts or something like that.

2592
04:05:48,400 --> 04:05:59,720
Is there a way to incorporate just what they would look like having a parking deck and less gravel for parking and maybe even stacking one of these courts on the top of that deck.

2593
04:05:59,980 --> 04:06:02,100
Pickleball could be up there, basketball could be up there.

2594
04:06:02,600 --> 04:06:11,540
We just really want a future proofer that we're not just doing the status quo but thinking about this creatively to say we're saving space in a long run.

2595
04:06:11,540 --> 04:06:16,660
And because if you look, that's just a lot of concrete around that you still walk into.

2596
04:06:16,800 --> 04:06:20,000
But if you stack the parking, it's more expensive in the front end.

2597
04:06:20,140 --> 04:06:23,440
But in the long run, is that going to be more effective for this park?

2598
04:06:24,580 --> 04:06:25,400
Is something to consider?

2599
04:06:26,180 --> 04:06:29,220
Yeah, that's something that I would just have to get with the designers.

2600
04:06:29,220 --> 04:06:34,680
They could probably put together like an overlay or something just to see what that could look like, where it could go.

2601
04:06:36,240 --> 04:06:37,360
And then we can go from there.

2602
04:06:38,880 --> 04:06:40,280
And maybe we can find a sponsor.

2603
04:06:45,770 --> 04:06:56,850
Thank you Chris. I think just want I just want to make sure was your preference concept one. Okay. Oh, yes, you want a little concept leaning from the counts. I do because

2604
04:06:56,850 --> 04:06:59,090
I was just good right there on Councilman Revens.

2605
04:07:00,350 --> 04:07:03,430
One, one in show. One, one.

2606
04:07:04,370 --> 04:07:16,070
And I just wanted to say the reason being is we want to know which direction we want to go in terms of design, and that assists us in determining potential costs trying to attack grants and things like that.

2607
04:07:16,330 --> 04:07:18,130
Mayor said one, two, so there you go.

2608
04:07:18,410 --> 04:07:19,390
All right, perfect. Thank you.

2609
04:07:33,230 --> 04:07:34,110
All right.

2610
04:07:34,110 --> 04:07:40,770
You want us to the motion away completely up to y'all you guys want to wave to the monthly

2611
04:07:41,830 --> 04:07:44,810
Reports from the department heads in the packet. So you have those

2612
04:07:45,690 --> 04:07:48,650
I'm in favor away if you're okay with that

2613
04:07:50,750 --> 04:07:54,890
Everyone you guys seem want to make an emotion to I had one question. Oh, then there we go

2614
04:07:54,890 --> 04:08:01,790
So it's not a way. I don't need your presentation. I just I just um is there any updated timeline on the ramp to assembly

2615
04:08:02,370 --> 04:08:11,170
It's been approved, but Jay is looking to start that, well really any day because he had

2616
04:08:11,170 --> 04:08:20,830
to go back to GDOT because of the design change and he was meeting with them, he met

2617
04:08:20,830 --> 04:08:21,510
with him this week.

2618
04:08:21,690 --> 04:08:21,870
Great.

2619
04:08:22,190 --> 04:08:22,790
That's right.

2620
04:08:23,950 --> 04:08:24,450
Thank you.

2621
04:08:24,550 --> 04:08:24,710
Yes.

2622
04:08:25,170 --> 04:08:25,930
It's coming.

2623
04:08:27,090 --> 04:08:28,110
You got a question?

2624
04:08:28,350 --> 04:08:29,330
All right, council member Nasser.

2625
04:08:31,850 --> 04:08:38,490
My question is about the, about I know last time we spoke about the street lights.

2626
04:08:39,050 --> 04:08:39,150
Yes.

2627
04:08:39,290 --> 04:08:47,730
And the update on that and second question is when it will be the English Oak Park will be open officially.

2628
04:08:49,230 --> 04:08:58,710
I'll address the street lights and as you're aware, Georgia Power doesn't do

2629
04:08:58,710 --> 04:09:06,510
anything really fast, but we actually paid the invoice two months ago, two

2630
04:09:06,510 --> 04:09:12,450
months ago. Georgia Power requires you to pay up front before they will get

2631
04:09:12,450 --> 04:09:17,850
started. So we paid that. So we're on their timeline now.

2632
04:09:18,630 --> 04:09:22,590
I appreciate those who are listening. I know those who have the question. So I hope

2633
04:09:22,590 --> 04:09:27,030
that answered. Second about the English Oak Park.

2634
04:09:29,970 --> 04:09:33,110
What's wrong with the English Oak Park? It's open.

2635
04:09:37,260 --> 04:09:42,080
Well, I'm not aware of it. It's officially open or not.

2636
04:09:42,080 --> 04:09:47,260
So I know there was the rest rooms and there was an electric line supposed to be

2637
04:09:47,260 --> 04:09:52,960
Oh, yeah, that was yeah, that was done months ago. Okay, okay, and I also

2638
04:09:53,800 --> 04:09:59,540
Told by some of the residents that fans is kind of leaning and that needs to be

2639
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:06,740
That's one of the projects for next fiscal year, October. Okay. That's all. Thank you.

2640
04:10:09,030 --> 04:10:17,250
All right. With that, I guess we're waving the manager's report. And we'll go to council comments. Let me start with councilmember Ray.

2641
04:10:20,970 --> 04:10:34,850
Yeah, I'll be brief. Thank you for approving the budget. I know there's a lot of work that went into that. I think it's a really positive step and some great stuff. Free recycling pilot program still going on every Saturday, eight to 10. Very excited about that.

2642
04:10:36,530 --> 04:10:40,830
And aside from that, thanks for sticking with us through a long meeting and a

2643
04:10:40,830 --> 04:10:41,050
particular.

2644
04:10:42,770 --> 04:10:47,850
I'd just like to say that there's a special election for the remaining seat up

2645
04:10:47,850 --> 04:10:51,710
here on Council and that's November 3rd, Tuesday, November 3rd.

2646
04:10:51,870 --> 04:10:56,210
There's five great candidates out there, fine for this seat up there.

2647
04:10:56,390 --> 04:11:00,790
So please get out, ask questions, go look, read their web pages, read their bios.

2648
04:11:01,430 --> 04:11:09,050
You have a good part of people out there, so please check it out and know who you're voting for and what you're voting for.

2649
04:11:09,630 --> 04:11:09,890
Thank you.

2650
04:11:10,210 --> 04:11:10,950
Council Member Nasser.

2651
04:11:12,050 --> 04:11:12,710
Thank you.

2652
04:11:13,510 --> 04:11:18,170
I wanted to thank you everyone who are listening, who are watching.

2653
04:11:19,470 --> 04:11:24,210
I'm not sure there is still time to register for a vote.

2654
04:11:24,670 --> 04:11:27,070
If there is, please, please register for your vote.

2655
04:11:27,070 --> 04:11:36,650
and there's an early board of starting soon and we'll update you on the website for early voting.

2656
04:11:37,210 --> 04:11:40,990
Please don't forget to cast your ballot. Thank you.

2657
04:11:41,770 --> 04:11:42,730
Councillor Member Hinchel.

2658
04:11:43,390 --> 04:11:46,730
No comment, other than to say happy birthday. It had me birthday to my wife.

2659
04:11:47,570 --> 04:11:48,910
Councillor Member Evans.

2660
04:11:49,330 --> 04:11:54,230
Happy birthday, Kim. Thank you to our staff. There was a candidate formed tonight for this seat.

2661
04:11:54,230 --> 04:12:00,990
So, I guess that didn't want us to be there and I'm glad that we are at one of Atlanta's

2662
04:12:00,990 --> 04:12:01,870
healthiest employers.

2663
04:12:03,230 --> 04:12:10,870
All right, so we are going to have an executive session for personnel litigation, real estate,

2664
04:12:11,470 --> 04:12:18,950
cyber security, so and after our executive session we will gavill out without taking action

2665
04:12:18,950 --> 04:12:23,690
and will not return for the meeting, so can I get a motion to enter an executive session

2666
04:12:23,690 --> 04:12:26,550
for personnel litigation, real estate, or cyber security.

2667
04:12:27,010 --> 04:12:28,150
I'm so sorry, so moved.

2668
04:12:28,470 --> 04:12:28,610
Second.

2669
04:12:29,490 --> 04:12:31,890
Councilmember Evans made the motion.

2670
04:12:32,090 --> 04:12:33,230
Councilmember Ray, second.

2671
04:12:34,530 --> 04:12:35,890
So have a good one.

2672
04:12:36,350 --> 04:12:36,610
Thanks.

2673
04:12:40,790 --> 04:12:41,770
Recording stopped.

2674
04:12:46,100 --> 04:12:46,680
All in favor.

2675
04:12:47,100 --> 04:12:47,280
Hi.

2676
04:12:47,280 --> 04:12:47,520
Hi.