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[11:45] Recording in progress.
[11:51] All right, let's call this meeting to order. Welcome, everyone. This is Adoraville City Council meeting being held on Wednesday, September 16th, 2026. At 6 p.m., Adoraville City Hall. I'd like to remind everyone to please silence your cell phones if you have them in the make noise. Also, Adoraville is proud to be a city's civility while differences of opinion are natural.
[12:19] Let us approach each other with open minds, speak with courtesy and treat one another with dignity and respect.
[12:24] Respect is the foundation of good governance and we thank you for holding the spirit of civility with us.
[12:30] Right, I will call the roll, Mayor Garmin. I am here, Councilmember Simmons.
[12:36] Here.
[12:37] Councilmember Nasser.
[12:39] Here.
[12:40] Councilmember Evans.
[12:41] Here.
[12:42] Councilmember Ray.
[12:43] Here.
[12:43] Councilmember Hensha.
[12:44] Here.
[12:44] And I guess just a note for our next agenda, we need to remove the district to post to person.
[12:53] All right, I'd like to ask everyone in the chamber to please rise and join us for the Pledge of Allegiance.
[12:59] This
[13:02] is to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.
[13:08] One nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
[13:16] Thank you.
[13:17] Would anyone like to make a motion to approve tonight's meeting agenda?
[13:20] So we'll do you have a second all right any discussion
[13:27] All in favor
[13:30] Thank you, and I'd like to ask Dr. Cynthia Roman Hernandez who's the VP of the Latin American Association for family stabilization and well-being to please join me at the podium for the
[13:45] Hispanic in Latin American Heritage Month
[13:48] It's proclamation.
[14:22] All right, well, September 16th, so one day into Hispanic Heritage Month, Dr. Cynthia
[14:34] Roman Hernandez earned her doctorate of philosophy and a master of social work from the University
[14:41] of Puerto Rico, Rio Piedra's campus, and has dedicated more than 25 years to improving the
[14:48] a well-being of individuals, families, and communities.
[14:53] Since November 2010, Dr. Roman Hernandez
[14:57] has served in the family well-being program
[14:59] at the...
[15:00] All Latin American Association, which is the oldest and largest nonprofit organization serving Hispanic and Latino immigrants in Georgia. Her work has expanded, has supported the basic needs program. And the important community initiatives, including the annual health expo from 2015 through 2018,
[15:19] Laferia daily per source in 2019, and advocacy efforts addressing housing, health, and hunger among women and families.
[15:30] Through the basic needs program, Dr. Roman Hernandez and the Latin American Association have empowered low income individuals and families to overcome hardship,
[15:39] achievement, achieved stability, and pursue long-term self-sufficiency.
[15:45] The City of Dorville recognizes Dr. Cynthia Roman Hernandez for her extraordinary leadership,
[15:50] compassion, scholarship, and unwavering commitment to strengthening families, and advocating
[15:55] women and serving Swarge's Hispanic and Latino communities.
[16:00] And before I present this proclamation, I also just want to say how important Dorville's Latin
[16:05] and American and Hispanic community is to us.
[16:09] They make up the majority of people who live in Doraville
[16:12] and so this is an important month
[16:14] and we are happy to have someone so prestigious
[16:17] except this proclamation for us.
[16:20] So now therefore be it resolved that I, Joseph Guyerman
[16:23] on behalf of the Doraville City Council,
[16:25] hereby honor and commend Dr. Cynthia Roman Hernandez
[16:28] for her more than 25 years of exemplary service
[16:31] and for her lasting contributions to social work,
[16:34] community empowerment and the well-being of individuals and families throughout
[16:38] Georgia and beyond. Dr. Hernandez, Roman Hernandez, thank you so much.
[16:55] I'd love to invite you
[16:56] to stay a few words.
[17:02] I will be brief. So I'm very again, I race and burn in Puerto Rico.
[17:10] In the last 15 years, I've been leading the family stabilization will be the
[17:15] Department of the Latin America Association,
[17:18] and he has truly a privilege to work with our community.
[17:22] We have built programs around nutrition, health,
[17:27] and housing, and this work is not.
[17:31] Only my work is a group of people talented and dedicated
[17:35] people that every day is working with us
[17:38] to make this mission alive.
[17:41] We are working hard this couple of years,
[17:44] more than ever need the support and collaboration of everybody and the city of
[17:49] Doraville has been amazing like with us and us also other cities like
[17:55] Blue Heaven and and the whole view for corridor has been part of this big
[18:02] coalition of support for this community and just very truly is an honor. I'm
[18:11] super humble to receive this recognition, I thank the Mayor and the Council for this recognition.
[18:20] I dedicate this to my husband, my son, my family, and everybody, thank you.
[18:36] Thank you very much.
[18:39] As you may or may not know, but you can see from the banner in front of the Dias, this is a welcoming week.
[18:46] we were going to have a celebration in front of City Hall over the weekend but there was a
[18:53] trenchill down for and flood warnings throughout like the the morning when we were going to hold
[18:59] it and unfortunately had to be canceled. We had planned on doing the proclamation for these folks
[19:07] who were going to recognize for welcoming week at that event however because it had to be delayed
[19:14] we are doing it now so I see them in the audience if Dr.
[19:19] if Reverend Winston Whirl from Northwoods United Methodist Church could
[19:23] join me as well as any members of the United Methodist Northwoods United Methodist
[19:29] Outreach team are there any other members that's okay so
[19:42] gonna have a little
[19:46] information about Welcoming Week as well as what Northwood's United Methodist does.
[19:54] Welcoming Week is an annual celebration that brings together neighbors of all backgrounds
[19:58] to strengthen connections.
[20:00] Promote understanding and affirm the importance of creating communities where everyone feels valued, respected, and included. The City of Doraville proudly celebrates its rich cultural diversity and recognizes that residents from different nations, traditions, faiths, and experiences contribute to the strength, vitality, and character of our community. The Northwoods United Methodist Church Outreach team has demonstrated an ongoing commitment to serving the individuals and families in our community.
[20:29] and supporting neighbors in need, creating meaningful opportunities for fellowship, compassion, and community engagement.
[20:36] Through its outreach efforts, the Northwoods United Methodist Church Outreach team
[20:40] helps foster a welcoming environment where people from diverse backgrounds can connect,
[20:45] receive support, and experience a genuine sense of belonging.
[20:49] Reverend Whirl's leadership and service of the Northwoods United Methodist Church Outreach team
[20:55] And the service of the Northwest United Methodist Church Outreach team embodied the values of welcoming week by encouraging individuals to create meaningful relationships, embrace their neighbors, and work together across cultural and social differences.
[21:09] The values that align with this year's theme encourage to connect and building a stronger and more welcoming door of all for all.
[21:15] Now, therefore, be it resolved that I, Joseph Geierman, mayor of the City of Doraville,
[21:21] on behalf of the Doraville City Council, hereby recognize and commend Reverend Winston
[21:25] Whirl and the Northwoods United Methodist Church Outreach team for their dedicated service,
[21:31] compassionate leadership and commitment to fostering a welcoming and inclusive community
[21:36] and celebration of the 2026 welcoming week.
[21:39] Reverend, thank you.
[21:52] And so we'd like to give you an opportunity to speak now since you couldn't speak over
[21:55] the weekend. Thank you very much. I want to thank our mayor and our city council for this
[22:03] honor and it's indeed a privilege to be a part of the community here in Dorville and to work
[22:14] with so many leaders and to be involved in caring ministries. We know that so many people right now
[22:22] are hurting, so many families are hurting and so many have lost benefits and we are small
[22:31] congregation but we are trying to do our part to help to serve others, care for others
[22:37] and to provide various opportunities.
[22:40] Our next community event is going to be on Saturday October 3rd, where we are going to have
[22:47] of a dinner for deserving families.
[22:50] And if you know families who are really in need,
[22:53] please get in touch with us.
[22:55] Let us know that we are going to try to give gifts cards
[22:58] and also any ways that we can support.
[23:03] So thank you very much indeed for this opportunity
[23:07] and the best wishes, thank you very much.
[23:16] All right, well thank you everyone for that.
[23:19] We're going to take like a two minute break
[23:20] in case anyone wants to leave before we start the rest of the meeting, but you're all welcome to stay
[23:25] as if you want to. So we'll get started again about 12-6-5-14.
[27:30] The meeting back to order. And it is time for public comments. I'd like to invite any speakers wishing to make public comment to come up to the podium. You can have up to three minutes to speak on a topic of your choosing. Anyone standing? Welcome to come on out.
[27:46] All right,
[27:53] who let me in here?
[27:55] Can you hear me, Mayor and Council,
[27:57] came here tonight to talk about the whole flock thing.
[28:00] And I know you're not doing a debate about that tonight
[28:02] and I thought it was a better time to come speak.
[28:05] And I voted yes for this back in 2020.
[28:08] And excuse me, at that time, it was presented to us
[28:13] as a very different system than it is today.
[28:15] It was gonna be used for tracking down stolen cars,
[28:19] people, because they're kidnapped and it wasn't being like active video tracking people.
[28:26] And I think my problem is, not the cameras, but like the back end data processing that's
[28:33] being done.
[28:34] And at that time, nobody foresee like AI being used to like facial recognition and all that
[28:44] kind of stuff that's now become commonplace, being used with this data.
[28:48] And 100% trust our police department
[28:51] from being able to have use of these cameras
[28:53] to like monitor our parks and make sure they're safe.
[28:56] And, you know, looking for evidence for crimes.
[29:00] And there was an example of like a hit and run
[29:02] on the access road.
[29:04] And they use the fly cameras to track that guy down.
[29:06] And that's the kind of stuff it should be used for.
[29:09] And not my job now is your job to figure out
[29:12] how to protect the data and to make sure it's not being used
[29:15] in the wrong way.
[29:18] And again, I feel like we had good intentions and there's still good uses for these cameras.
[29:23] But I think they're getting used in a way that was never intended and hopefully y'all
[29:28] can figure out a way whether it's through the ACLU policies or with a renewed EIMOU
[29:35] with flock or a different company to make sure this data is not being used to the detriment
[29:41] of the community.
[29:42] And I also want to say I'm excited, still excited about the project that the
[29:48] assembly doorbell CID is going to have for the pedestrian improvements up on
[29:53] Peachtree Road across from or near the Porsche dealer.
[29:57] I think that's an important project for the city to-
[30:00] Participate in. Thank you. Okay. Next.
[30:09] Yeah, but I'd like to do everyone in the chamber first.
[30:16] The busy night. Okay. First of all, I'm going to say something that I've said privately, but I need to do this publicly on how the police, I'd like to thank the police department. Chuck, who is the police chief at the time, Sergeant Mike Clayton in my neighbor, Mike,
[30:40] And two years ago, I came back from the hospital.
[30:43] I was in septic shock.
[30:45] Fun was dead.
[30:47] I was lying.
[30:48] Nobody showed up for five days.
[30:51] And the doorbell police department saved my life.
[30:54] And the life of my two Belgian melancholy dogs.
[30:59] They took me to the hospital at St. Joe's.
[31:01] I was intensive care for eight months in septic shock.
[31:05] And if it weren't for those three people, I wouldn't be here today.
[31:11] I was in a wheelchair, my hearing was gone, it was a bad situation.
[31:16] So Chuck, you and your guys are three is why I'm here today, and I'd like to thank them.
[31:22] Next thing is the finances.
[31:26] How do you cycle park, $26 million in 70 grand for trash cans and all the rest of the parks
[31:33] in the city?
[31:34] We have this finance thing where we have $25 million budget, which somehow over the last
[31:42] 10 years have gone from $11 million to $25 million, we're spending $900,000 in the finance
[31:49] department.
[31:51] Well, $500,000 in human resources where the city clerk needs to handle that job.
[31:57] You have to understand the whole city was run by seven people and that's 70 people like
[32:01] it is today.
[32:03] and that doesn't include the 20 or 30 subcontractors.
[32:07] So the budget, like everybody thinks that
[32:11] the city got in trouble financially
[32:12] because GM closed, it had nothing to do with it.
[32:16] The city went on a spending spree for three years,
[32:19] start bouncing checks,
[32:21] Georgia power, cut the power off the city hall,
[32:24] is because they spent the money.
[32:26] That actual income during that period of time
[32:29] one up $300,000 a year because doubling of tanker fuse, gasoline sales, new buildings coming online.
[32:37] So the city bases its budget on false information.
[32:42] And this is another case where the city now is becoming dependent on grantees and grant money.
[32:49] And fines and forfeitures, that battle thing we went to court with about five years ago, we got sued.
[32:54] and it has a city hall that's got too many employees
[33:00] and they're not in the right locations and positions.
[33:04] You've got six code enforcement
[33:06] when you should have three, one for each district.
[33:09] You should have one, maybe an assistant planner,
[33:12] but you need to have a building official in a city hall
[33:15] and you need to have building inspectors.
[33:18] That's just one aspect of this budget.
[33:20] It's totally out of control.
[33:22] I'm trying to build a garage and the state of Georgia passed a house bill to save all these people when they're building stuff on their property
[33:30] to save from these fees from these local governments.
[33:34] The first thing Dorville did and the consent agenda changed that so they could quadriple the fees for the deal.
[33:41] So my construction project from $172 to $820 totally guessed what the state of Georgia had passed.
[33:50] This government needs to be reorganized so the city hall has a number of employees in positions that do the job and cut this budget at least 20%.
[34:01] Thank you.
[34:21] All right. Can you guys hear me?
[34:26] Can you hear me one more time?
[34:34] Oh, yes. Okay. Cool. I'm sorry about that.
[34:36] Good evening. Mayor and council members. I'm here tonight to talk about the budget specifically about flock.
[34:41] I reviewed the published police department budget for this vote.
[34:44] Block does not appear on it, not by name, not as a single line item, not as a subcategory.
[34:49] A contract with a private venture backed surveillance company operating a nationwide data platform is somewhere inside that $9.42 million total.
[34:57] But residents cannot see where and they-
[35:00] I can't see how much. The closest candidate appears to be a technical line, which jumped from $517,000 to about $748,000 this year. It's about a $230,000 increase. I don't know if that's flocked though, and neither do the residents of the city, and obviously that's an issue. I'm not asking you to end the flock contract tonight. I'm asking you to carve it out, and I think Mayor Garamon mentioned that on our last meeting, but separate it from the bundled budget and hold it as its own line item with its own public debate.
[35:29] Once this council is fully seated a vote you can't see is a vote you cannot debate a contract with the with the company
[35:37] Generating this much scrutiny deserves its own vote from a fully seated council
[35:42] There's currently an open seat obviously in this body and those residents don't have a voice incidents decision
[35:47] On a routine matter. It's unfortunate on a decision about ongoing mass surveillance of every driver in the city
[35:53] It's not acceptable. So my ask is narrow and it's
[35:56] procedure. Before tonight's vote disclose how much of this money is in this budget, it's
[36:02] actually going to flock in which geo line it sits within. Carve that amount out on
[36:07] tonight's vote and approve the rest of the police budget so that our officers are fully
[36:12] funded without delay. Schedule a separate vote on flock once the council is fully seated.
[36:17] So those are my asks pretty simple straightforward. This is not an anti-police ask at all. Our
[36:21] officers should be fully funded tonight without hesitation. This is just a pro-transparency
[36:26] pro-democracy ask, residents deserve to know how much of their tax dollars and what they're
[36:30] buying. They deserve to see it on a page in front of them, not hidden inside any sort
[36:35] of general category. And they deserve a full council when the decision about surveillance
[36:39] is actually made. So please carve it out and please let this decision get the sunlight it deserves.
[36:44] Thank you.
[36:46] Thank you. And for the record, I believe that was Brian Kaiser who lives on Addison.
[36:52] You just couldn't hear him.
[36:53] Sorry about that.
[36:54] That's good. All right.
[37:00] I think that's everyone. He's got there. No, there's one more hand raised. If we can
[37:06] Bring her over Kristen, it looks like. Yes, good evening. Can you confirm that you can hear me? Yes. Can you hear me? Okay. I can't. I can't. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and Council members. My name is Carsten White, and I serve as the real estate manager for
[37:22] Kendra Morgan, who owns and operates
[37:24] Terminal Facilities Veridoregiel.
[37:26] And I want to thank you for the opportunity
[37:27] to speak this evening, specifically as it pertains
[37:32] to the city's 2026, 2046 comprehensive plan
[37:37] and the treatment of a parcel that we recently subdivided,
[37:42] which is a 2.96 acre parcel located adjacent
[37:45] to our Taint Farm Bear on New Patriot Road.
[37:49] I would like to draw your attention
[37:51] to the exclusion of this parcel from the newly established
[37:54] Tate Farm specialty district and respectfully urge
[37:57] that you reconsider that decision.
[38:01] And doing so, I ask that you consider the property's
[38:04] proximity to the active terminal operations,
[38:07] the petroleum and pipeline infrastructure located on
[38:10] and adjacent to that parcel.
[38:12] And it's a normal standing row within the border
[38:15] of the industrial framework of new peace tree road,
[38:19] especially as it concerns the tank farm specialty district that was established by the City Council
[38:25] pursuant to Resolution 2023-37. The proposed comprehensive plan places this industrial property
[38:35] within the Buhigh Cultural Accordor which is an area that's envisioned for mixed use commercial
[38:40] and multi-family development and we respectfully disagree with the placement of this property within
[38:47] neck corridor. The subject property, it does not share the characteristics of a mixed
[38:51] use corridor, nor is it likely to do so for the foreseeable future. It's surrounded
[38:57] by industrial facilities, petroleum storage, infrastructure, active pipeline systems remained
[39:03] on this subdivided parcel. If you go out and you'll see the pipeline markers and the infrastructure
[39:10] there. Their operational constraints associated with this warehouse and these conditions fundamentally
[39:18] distinguished aside from the cultural corridor that is neighboring properties and the uses of this
[39:29] property will support a land use that recognizes and preserves the industrial character of the property.
[39:35] The city's creation of the tank on specialty district acknowledges the unique operational
[39:40] land use and infrastructure characteristics along this portion of New Peas Creek Road.
[39:47] And we ask that, you know, you reconsider the placement, the exclusion of this property
[39:53] within that.
[39:54] Additionally, I would ask that the record reflect that based on the engagement materials
[39:59] and
[40:00] And mapping included in the comprehensive plan. And the steering committee notes that this property appeared to have been included within the tank farm district during the planning process. But it was subsequently removed prior to the publication in July 2026. And so I ask that you respectfully review that change and reinstate the parcel within the tank farm specialty district. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you.
[40:28] Okay. Those are all the hands I see raised. No one else is in the chambers. We're going to close the public comment portion of the meeting and move to the special report from the Shambley door of LC ID.
[40:42] Matt, I guess you're the presenter.
[41:00] Did you say there is a change slide
[41:06] to point at you?
[41:06] Okay.
[41:16] Good evening, Council Mayor. Thank you all for having us again here this year to
[41:22] give our update and tell you a little bit about what the CID has been up to over the
[41:26] course of the past year. For those in the room that aren't aware, my name is Matthew
[41:31] Oppenheimer. I am president of Halpern Enterprises, but I'm here tonight in my capacity as the
[41:37] Secretary and Treasurer of the Shambly Doorville CID. Before I get started, I did want
[41:45] I want to talk about alignment and appreciation.
[41:51] We, I would be remiss if I didn't start this conversation by just saying that we are really grateful for the relationship that we have with all of you here at the city on the day I said, but council and staff as well, we can't do what we want to do without you all.
[42:08] and we really appreciate your input, your time, your energy, and the collaboration that
[42:17] we've had over the last six years as a CID. As it says on the slide here, when we are
[42:23] aligned and working together, I added that, our impact multiplies. So thank you.
[42:35] A little
[42:36] You can see on the screen there, the CID encompasses on the West Petri Boulevard on the east view for highway and everything in between, but it's not actually everything within that map area.
[42:49] The blue, I'll call it blue parcels there, represent those commercially eligible properties that are in the CID.
[42:57] Today we have 165 participating parcels across 113 property owners.
[43:04] and through those parcels, we generate $1.3 million in annual revenue.
[43:10] The green parcels represent commercially eligible parcels that are not a part of the CID.
[43:16] We hope one day that many of them will join, but to date they are not.
[43:20] And then the gray parcels are ineligible properties, many of which, most of which are residential, but also public utility properties, etc., are not able to be part of the CID.
[43:34] Our work program as it's evolved over the last six years really has there's been
[43:40] several major themes that have sort of risen to the surface our biggest
[43:46] project which I'll talk about a little bit is intersection realignment but
[43:50] other intersections we're looking at as well sidewalk infill and multi-use
[43:55] trails roadway and multi-modal extensions and then public safety
[44:00] collaboration. All told, everything that's on our radar, everything that we're either leading
[44:06] ourselves or working with our city partners on is a total of $52 million worth of work.
[44:13] To date, the CID has committed $2.4 million of our own resources to these projects. And
[44:21] through those commitments, have been able to leverage federal and state dollars. And in
[44:28] cases local matched dollars as well to help fund those projects.
[44:32] The vast majority of those funds have come through the Atlanta Regional Commission.
[44:37] And as you can see on the pie chart there, that all leaves us with still quite a bit yet to be funded.
[44:44] We are not panicking, we know these projects take time, many years, and
[44:50] many rounds of applying for additional phases of funding and
[44:55] different buckets of funding through the federal and state government and we are confident.
[45:00] With our fearless leader, Malika Rivers, our executive director here in the room, that we will be able to track down the dollars to bring these projects to fruition. Let's talk about some wins in 2026, things move slow in this world, but we are making progress on our different projects. Our biggest project, our highest priority project, is an intersection realignment, Steffi alluded to it, and thank you, Steffi, for the shout out.
[45:29] there. At Peachtree Boulevard, Peachtree Road, and North
[45:34] Showford, the intersection just south of Motors Industrial, we are, we have
[45:40] been working almost since our formation to do a major realignment of that
[45:45] intersection, changing the angles, reducing the number of roads that are
[45:49] intersecting, and it has been a long, but very intentional and methodical process.
[45:57] Yes, in 2026 we did complete 30% design.
[46:02] We were awarded an additional round of ARC funding for $834,000.
[46:09] Part of that funding was a local match commitment from us as a CID, but also I was here earlier
[46:14] this year and I want to say thank you again to all of you for commitments from both Dorville
[46:18] and Chambley to go towards the local match for that round of funding.
[46:23] And then actually at our board meeting this past month, we approved an additional $257,800
[46:31] and local match funding to allow us to apply for the remaining balance of right away
[46:36] and final design total of $1.2 million.
[46:40] So with all of that, we hope to begin 60% design this fall and keep trucking along on what
[46:48] is our biggest project here.
[46:51] Next on the list is Schalford Road.
[46:54] This is a project that nobody in the room needs me to educate them about, but
[46:58] this is something being spearheaded by the city of Doraville.
[47:02] It's a project that in the early stages we came in to contribute a portion of
[47:10] the local match to be able to award at ARC funds for.
[47:14] or in 2026, I believe we are underway or will shortly be underway with the 60% design.
[47:22] Austin is nodding over there and awarded the ARC funding to complete the final design.
[47:29] This to me as discussed in previous meetings is represents a great opportunity for future collaboration between the CID and the city and really both cities.
[47:41] It's a project like the first project that sits on the border of both cities.
[47:45] And I think we can bring to the table our dollars, but
[47:50] also trying to bring everybody to the table on both initiatives.
[47:56] Another project, again, Dorville-led project is the realignment of the intersection at Chestnut and
[48:03] Beaufort Highway.
[48:05] This was another one where we contributed a portion of the local match towards.
[48:09] words, and this year we're able to get to the 30% design through the concept phase and a lot of hard work.
[48:20] I think notably Austin on both of these projects, among many other things.
[48:26] But then able to be awarded the Congressional Directed Spending for
[48:32] the funds for this project.
[48:34] This again represents another one that we see as an opportunity for
[48:38] future collaboration with the city, both in terms of time and dollars, and hopefully bringing
[48:43] people to the table.
[48:45] Another initiative of the CID this year that we have made some headway on is a public safety
[48:52] initiative, something really that's been spearheaded by Vince Regio on our board.
[48:58] What this really ultimately culminated in was engaging a consultant to speak with stakeholders
[49:03] members throughout Shambley and Dorville both inside and outside of the CID area.
[49:08] Create an assessment of ways we could be doing things better, opportunities, opportunities
[49:14] for collaboration.
[49:16] There's still a lot of work to be done, but I think it's a good first part of the conversation.
[49:22] And our next step there is to try and convene a group of the key stakeholders involved in the
[49:29] fall and talk about what the next steps can be.
[49:33] Beyond some of these, I'll just rattle off these really quickly.
[49:37] Other things we've been working on over the course of the year.
[49:40] We've been looking at an extension of tarot drive that would take it from assembly to
[49:45] P. Shree Boulevard, still very early stages on that.
[49:51] Participated on yet another door of a lead project of the safety assessment,
[49:57] Safe streets for all, is that correct?
[50:00] And so that resulted in a report with lots of recommendations, I'll come back to that in just a minute, but excited to have that closed out, or at least the report itself. On the shambly side of the map, we completed our phase one of our sidewalk infill. Actually, I think fully close out of that last year and have since been hard at work on the design of phase two that will essentially go all the way up close
[50:29] to where our big intersection realignment is, not quite there, we're still in the design phase
[50:35] there and have worked to do to figure out how to get it funded and phased and implemented.
[50:40] Another project on our radar is the Shanley Tucker and Schalford Road realignment. That's really the
[50:46] triangle that both of those roads also come into Buford Highway. Nothing moving all that quickly there,
[50:54] but it's something on our radar for the future, particularly as things happen along the Buford Highway
[50:58] corridor. And then the CID also is keeping a close eye on the managed lanes on 285 and
[51:06] wanting to make sure that CID and its stakeholders alongside both cities, I'm sure, have a voice
[51:14] in how that final design comes together. Something I'm excited to talk about, we had a work session
[51:21] over the summer, we do it every year to try and talk about ideas, new things that we should be
[51:27] exploring as a CID that was built on conversations, one-on-one that we had even prior to the work session.
[51:37] But, you know, meetings, I was fortunate enough to be able to meet with Mayor Garmin and Austin
[51:46] and Chuck, thank you all for your time and for the ideas that we're shared.
[51:51] And so we were able to bring all that together.
[51:53] Another and one of the big takeaways from the work session is that there are a number of different opportunities for
[52:00] winds within our corridor and the two cities.
[52:06] As we talked about it, there's opportunities for quick, tangible, visible improvements that change things on a more immediate basis as opposed to a project,
[52:17] projects, like our biggest project that will probably take 10 total years before anybody
[52:22] sees anything on the ground.
[52:24] Things that we identified in those conversations and with the help of Malika and Cherston,
[52:32] our program coordinator, things like broken street lights, pet lights, medians, and pedestrian
[52:39] Adrian Islands, landscaping, planning, sidewalk infill, public art, broad bucket of areas of improvement and something that we have not yet formally voted on and approved as a board but that we're, I think there's a lot of enthusiasm behind is piloting a program where we would set aside a certain amount of funds that we would allocate to each of the cities for the cities to,
[53:08] to be able to use those funds towards these efforts, these projects.
[53:14] I think what came out of the conversation is several of the things that were on our list are also on the city list.
[53:20] Cities list, excuse me, the cities are much more well equipped to tackle some of these issues and
[53:27] have them in the pipeline, but funding may be something that is limiting how and
[53:33] when they can happen, and our goal is to collaborate with the cities and provide the funding
[53:40] to help accelerate when some of these improvements can show up on the ground and in the communities.
[53:46] So more to come on that, but we think it's a really exciting opportunity to be able to
[53:52] even work more with all of you and be able to see the results of our hard work.
[53:59] So with that, I'm going to end the presentation by saying thank you again, you know, we just feel incredibly grateful for the relationship we have with you all here at the city.
[54:14] We know we still have quite a bit yet still to accomplish, but there's been a lot done thus far and we're eager to work with you all together to get it all done.
[54:27] Thank you very much for that presentation.
[54:31] Let's go ahead and see what questions, if any, our council has.
[54:34] Why don't we start with council member Ray.
[54:37] Thank you, Mayor.
[54:39] Thank you, Matt, for this presentation. Really interesting.
[54:42] Just a few questions.
[54:45] The largest project that intersection redesign.
[54:49] I know we put in money.
[54:51] I believe I remember the outcome of this, but did the pedestrian bridge get included in those 60% design plans?
[54:55] Yes. Okay. Awesome.
[55:01] Sorry. Outside of that, you mentioned the express lanes, keeping kind of a tab on that. I know G dot is going to kind of do what they want to do. But have you had any productive conversations with them on that? Do you feel that we're going to get to have some public input on those the location of those interest lanes when they come about? This might not be the last time I do this, but I'm going to call upon, I'm going to phone a friend here. I'm going to ask Malika if you have any
[55:31] input on that but yeah.
[55:33] I
[55:41] haven't had recent conversations this year specifically about the express lanes, however
[55:47] part of the federal process
[55:50] so that it will all be on the agenda process.
[55:54] I don't know what their schedule is though.
[55:57] Okay, thank you.
[55:58] The last question I had, it's also somewhat g-dog related but at the GMA annual conference
[56:05] this year I, one of the courses I got to take was around public infrastructure, transportation
[56:10] implementation projects, it was run primarily by GDOT, really focused more on roads and such, but part of it there was a presentation from the Swanee City Manager and they were successful in doing effectively a road diet redesign of Puford Highway running through their city.
[56:28] It slowed the cars down, there was a lot of pedestrian infrastructure added, so on and so forth.
[56:34] I approached Jeat out about that at that meeting and they were basically like any term, like road diet or reducing traffic, congested and all of that is just going to be a non starter.
[56:43] So I went back to the city plan where the city manager was wanting and asked kind of the approach they took.
[56:48] And he said what started it was they kind of just had to fund a very extensive engineering plan of what like what the traffic study would look like, how it would affect, you know, downflow, upflow a traffic.
[57:00] So really, this is just kind of a suggestion to consider for larger projects, is I think if the CID could work with
[57:07] Chambley and Dorville to maybe fund something along those lines to start the conversation of creating Beavert Highway into more of a pedestrian-friendly
[57:16] city-focused type of roadway rather than what it is currently, that's a project that would very much
[57:22] interest me long-term. It's one that I think would take 10, 15, 20 years to get done, which is why I just
[57:28] I just wanted to bring it up now as you guys continue to grow and look at potential opportunities.
[57:33] That seems like one that would benefit both cities pretty heavily, so thank you.
[57:38] Thank you, Council Member Evans.
[57:42] Thank you both for being here, really appreciate it.
[57:45] And grateful to hear that you all have the conversation with Mayor and our chief city manager regarding
[57:54] infield of sidewalks and things of that nature.
[57:56] And one that I brought up before, and I would love to know if it's part of that conversation, is the sidewalk on Peachtree road right outside of the Lexus dealership and the
[58:08] Peachtree Pavilion at the Super H Mark Center. There's a gap there that doesn't have a sidewalk. Lexus has one on the side, but starting at the Pavilion leading towards
[58:18] for Randa there's not a sidewalk and I often see people walking in the street and I know
[58:23] Shambley has some development that'll be soon happening across the road from there and with
[58:28] the 60% that you're going for with all the new development happening across the street from there
[58:33] behind the Porsche dealership leading towards assembly that's in the near future going to be a lot
[58:39] more traffic there. So wasn't sure if that was part of the conversation but wanted to advocate for it to be so.
[58:47] A couple of responses at one, I don't know if the phase two sidewalk design would go up
[58:54] that far north, but I do tend to think that our big intersection project might touch
[59:00] what you're talking about, and that I think in conjunction with all of that work, I would
[59:05] assume new sidewalks would be part of it, but happy to look at that, excuse me, with
[59:12] Thank you offline and just make sure I understand exactly the stretch that you're talking about.
[59:17] Hey, Albert, can you pull that up on their map?
[59:22] It was actually, well, it mentioned it, but it didn't really show.
[59:28] But yes, we can talk.
[59:29] Yeah, I was lying.
[59:30] Right, thank you.
[59:31] All right, thank you, Councilmember Simmons.
[59:36] Thank you, Mayor.
[59:37] Matt, thanks for the presentation report.
[59:40] don't have really many questions because I joined those meetings and I'm always
[59:45] informed and probably should do a better job informant council sometimes makes
[59:49] me think so my bad guys. I did want to bring up that council member Evans
[59:56] brought up impact fees last meeting last week and we're
[1:00:00] We're looking into that regarding what was brought up in the meeting of, you know, people that building developments and all should pitch in sort of what Vince was talking about. So we did bring that up last week and we're talking about that so you can go back to the CID board and tell them that is in our talks right now. Don't know how it's going to go, but it was brought up and we're aware of it. So we're sort of on the same page.
[1:00:26] I'm glad you brought up the program that you guys brought up last meeting about the low
[1:00:31] hanging fruit and funding and you know I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to say
[1:00:35] something during this meeting but since you brought up I think that's a great idea.
[1:00:38] As I said at the CID board meeting if you present the city with money we'll definitely spend
[1:00:43] it so thank you.
[1:00:46] And then my other comment was really just for the 285 express lanes I say it's sort of
[1:00:52] every meeting or every other, and I know Josh was talking about it, that anytime you guys can have input in that with G-DOT or anyone, just keep stressing, you know, Flowers Road is not a place to have an egress or
[1:01:05] ingress for that express lane, you know, where they're trying to dump that. I mean, of course it's up to the developer and I think they're going through that and they
[1:01:16] Yeah, it was RFP was out on them.
[1:01:18] No, if they picked a developer yet or not, I can't remember.
[1:01:21] Yeah, happy.
[1:01:21] Okay, thank you.
[1:01:23] But when they do, they'll decide and I mean,
[1:01:25] it makes business sense to put it on PIB or whatever it's called now
[1:01:29] and view for highway, you know?
[1:01:33] So, but yeah, any time you guys can just say door bill does not
[1:01:37] want it there and just would not fit.
[1:01:39] So, make bumper stickers, yeah, for real.
[1:01:44] And then I actually do have a question up and down in Chambley where they are doing all the work along the sidewalk where this
[1:01:50] Walgreens is and
[1:01:52] The old car wash and all that is the sidewalk project CIDs be doing or is that something through the county and stormwater and all that?
[1:02:00] So the county has a multi
[1:02:05] the main
[1:02:09] that construction is likely
[1:02:13] Okay, good. I just want to make on record. It's the county and that's the ID and
[1:02:19] And then back to that low-hanging fruit is, I know the family was trying to get more funding than Doraville, but we're equal cities, don't forget.
[1:02:28] Thank you.
[1:02:30] Thank you.
[1:02:31] Councilmember Henshaw.
[1:02:32] Yeah, thanks, guys.
[1:02:34] Sorry, I've been absent. I've been rather busy with work lately, and I need to make some more time to go back into the CID swing of things.
[1:02:41] Yeah, I mean, I had spoken with Vince about the family and Dorville and potentially even Brookhaven working together months ago about that.
[1:02:49] So thank you for bringing that back up.
[1:02:50] Thank you for discovering that Swanee had somehow found a magic word or a phrase or maybe they have a wand that they can use to re-work to be for highway.
[1:02:59] So I mean, that's, again, I'm going to be long gone before that's done, but it's worth exploring.
[1:03:04] And if you guys wind up being the coordinating lead on that, and that's fantastic, no pressure.
[1:03:11] And then I wanted to address a public comment that actually ties into this.
[1:03:14] There was a comment earlier that the city is relying on grants for our budget.
[1:03:21] And it's not that we rely on grants, it's that we leverage grants to stretch tax dollars further.
[1:03:28] And the CID is very good at that.
[1:03:29] that, and Doraville has gotten to be very good at that, and so when we're spending $0.20
[1:03:36] on the dollar, instead of $0.00 on the dollar, to do these projects, those are massive
[1:03:42] wins for the city, and whether they're spearheaded by Doraville or Shambley or the CID, that's
[1:03:48] just effective use of tax dollars.
[1:03:49] So I really appreciate you guys being able to leverage the way you do, and I don't know if
[1:03:55] People really understand what a CID is, but it's a voluntary tax that you pay to the CID who then take your money and then turn around and try to leverage that money and I can't remember, I mean I know you guys it's like a 25 to 1 ratio or I don't remember exactly what it is but for every dollar you raise you effectively contribute back to the city a certain cities a certain amount of money and it's an impressive number so thank you for that and please don't be afraid of the grants. They're very, very effective tools for our cities. Thanks.
[1:04:24] Thank you, Council Member Nathir.
[1:04:28] My question is that so the bridge is approved on P3 all over the right,
[1:04:38] the pedestrian bridge.
[1:04:40] So the 30% design has been complete, that is called the concept report.
[1:04:44] It's been approved.
[1:04:45] Now the project goes into 60% and the design actually starts and G dot and the team will be looking
[1:04:52] it ways to make it cost effective as well as hit all of the needs that we're trying to
[1:05:00] In terms of operational safety, traffic, low, et cetera. And how much be our city take on that project? I think he wants to know how much it will cost. Big big picture. I don't think they're going to know right right now. Right now, the project has is over $20 million. That's inclusive of a 30% contingency. There is an elevated pedestrian bridge component part of the concept.
[1:05:30] where that leads now that the project's going into 60 percent design, we will see what the engineers and the designers do, and the refinement of the cost, but right now, based on the preliminary cost estimates, that elevated bridge structure is about a $10 million.
[1:05:47] that
[1:05:50] to Mayor Garmin's point, too early to know for all of us local funders of a project
[1:06:01] like that, and all of the ways that different ways that the funding could come together
[1:06:06] as this project evolves, but to Councilman Henshaw's point, our goal is to create the maximum
[1:06:16] some leverage possible on a project like this.
[1:06:19] In other words, minimizing to the extent possible the local contribution,
[1:06:25] obviously within the bounds of what is doable, but really maximizing the bigger buckets of money,
[1:06:32] the federal dollars that are out there to make these things happen.
[1:06:37] Thank you, and I also have a wish to, I think I wanted to see a same exact pedestrian bridge
[1:06:46] over a big for highway where our neighborhood will connect somewhere between Park Avenue and Central Avenue or somewhere down that line, so it can connect our neighborhood to the new city hall.
[1:07:00] And then there's a marty station, so it will be a great place to put it.
[1:07:06] I don't think our city have enough money to contribute by something you guys can think about.
[1:07:15] I think I'm going to talk also about the realignment
[1:07:18] that you're working on with us, which we'll hope.
[1:07:22] Yes, yes, at Chestnut and Beaufort Highway there,
[1:07:27] that it is a challenge.
[1:07:30] And I think that that project does represent an opportunity
[1:07:33] to improve connectivity.
[1:07:36] But yeah, no, I hear you.
[1:07:39] And the CID is something that will be here long past
[1:07:45] when I'm gone and so it's going to have many, many years to pursue all different kinds of projects.
[1:07:50] We had a lot of utility on before highway for safer patches, safer way to connect our city and
[1:07:59] residents can walk through that before highway.
[1:08:02] That would be a bridge, it would be a better choice but I appreciated your input, whatever you guys can do.
[1:08:09] Thank you both for coming. We appreciate it and look forward to all the things the CID is going to accomplish in 2027.
[1:08:20] Thank you.
[1:08:22] All right. Next we have our finance director, China Agu, with the second public hearing for the fiscal year 27 budget presentation.
[1:08:33] Good
[1:08:38] afternoon, Mayor and Council.
[1:08:40] I'm presenting today the 2027 Physically Year Budget is starting.
[1:08:46] And again, just thanks to everybody that helped me put this together over the time period.
[1:08:52] Just a couple of highlights.
[1:08:53] The budget was created on the nine meals and it created additional $1.2 million in revenue.
[1:08:59] A lot of that money went to sidewalks, pool fund and park maintenance.
[1:09:03] There is a 2% average merit increase for employees.
[1:09:07] The max is at 3%, it includes the creation of two new departments,
[1:09:13] an economic development department, which will include an economic development director,
[1:09:17] as well as the business and community engagement person.
[1:09:21] We also created a government buildings department, that's just me tracking our spending better.
[1:09:27] When it comes to maintenance of all the buildings across the city, a little bit better,
[1:09:32] and the utilities and what we're spending.
[1:09:34] We do have four new employees in this budget.
[1:09:37] It is the Economic Development Director,
[1:09:39] the library specialist, a GIS stormwater specialist,
[1:09:43] and then a receptionist for when we move into the new building,
[1:09:45] so it's only three months of salary.
[1:09:50] A few more highlights with the budget.
[1:09:53] The fee schedule change, Austin Brott,
[1:09:55] to you guys a couple of months ago,
[1:09:57] about the retaining wall.
[1:10:00] File fees and the demolition fees. There is a change for it to be proposed at one to two family dwelling for $2 per linear square foot. And for, I'm sorry, that is the retaining walls will be, yes, that's correct. One in two families, single family dwelling, $2 per square foot. And all of the developments will be at $6 per linear foot. And it will bring the cost down drastically.
[1:10:29] for an example of a 66 foot wall, retaining wall.
[1:10:35] The current price is $1,320, and the new cost will be only $132.
[1:10:41] For all other developments, for example, $369 foot wall was currently at cost $11,000.
[1:10:51] And the new cost will be a little over 2000.
[1:10:55] The demolition fees is also being decreased.
[1:10:57] Right now, it's just a $500 flat fee.
[1:11:00] He's proposed that it be for one and two single family dwelling from $1 per linear square foot.
[1:11:08] And the $500 max and all other developments would be a dollar per square foot with $1,000 max.
[1:11:17] There is five funding types inside the budget.
[1:11:21] The general fund special revenue capital debt and proprietary funds.
[1:11:24] the largest fund this year and will be for the next couple of years is our capital budget based off our city center.
[1:11:31] The next would be the general fund and the third would be proprietary fund, which would include our storm water and sanitation.
[1:11:42] And here's just a year by year comparison from 2026 to 2027.
[1:11:47] General fund has the increase of 7%, which most of that is contributed to keeping the mill is rate the same at nine mills.
[1:11:54] A lot of other funds you see drastic decreases are increases because the city center as we spend the money the money is going down and then any increases that you see is also due to the city center using fund balance for like the street funds to assist with landscaping at the city center.
[1:12:14] Here is our 2027 Capitol, the police vehicles at over 350,000 that would give us 3, 4 boosts and
[1:12:25] one dashed deringo for a K9, a city-wide scanning project, which will allow us to cut all our records that from courts,
[1:12:35] community development, and the city clerk's office to all be scanned into a city, into a device where it can all be searchable.
[1:12:44] We also have park upgrades.
[1:12:47] Each park this year will get some type of upgrade or some type of equipment.
[1:12:52] We have chick-a-pea with the walking trails and railings, new equipment,
[1:12:56] Brookie English Park, getting equipment, autumn, gets upgrades to bench and trash cans,
[1:13:02] how pern, get a hopefully we can get a full basketball court if it allows with the erosion control.
[1:13:09] And then honey suckle, we did add in the field house.
[1:13:11] and then also money put aside for the pool.
[1:13:15] The two vehicles in the budget this year are the Parks Van and the Public Works Replacement Vehicle.
[1:13:21] Our budget committee is wanted to say that they want EV going forward for
[1:13:28] administration vehicles anywhere we can when we do buy vehicles that they be electric.
[1:13:36] This next slide is more of our capital.
[1:13:39] And this is a lot of the projects that the CIG just talked about.
[1:13:43] All of these projects have a 80% grant match, which means the city only pays 20% of this.
[1:13:50] The first four of these projects are actually in the preliminary engineering stage.
[1:13:56] The only project that is actually going to be start construction this year is Phase 2A, the Peachtree Greenway.
[1:14:07] And here's just a map of what all those projects look like.
[1:14:09] Again, the Budget Committee really wanted to stress that we're making sure that all the projects that we're doing are important to downtown, which is the black and white line area, and you'll see that all the projects are important towards that area and just trying to create mobility, increased mobility around the city.
[1:14:29] We have a stormwater project at 1.3 million and then the capital payment projects.
[1:14:39] These projects as a list is also on the city's website.
[1:14:43] Another thing that the committee wanted to stress is that we do additional sidewalks when
[1:14:49] we do all these paving.
[1:14:51] So we're trying to leverage like amending our engineering to put additional sidewalks
[1:14:58] So this year, we put a...
[1:15:00] Additional $425,000 in sidewalks to go along McElroy to Longmeyer. We also have a grapple truck in there. And then we did have leftover money from the SSE tank farm after we did all that paving and we're going to create more sidewalks in that area. And here's my wonderful drawing. Again, of all the mobility projects. And again, the SSE sidewalk project,
[1:15:29] floor is going to come back to you guys and say what we can actually do with that 1.3 million
[1:15:36] because to do all of that would be way more than we thought.
[1:15:43] All right. Thank you very much. Well, this is public hearing.
[1:15:50] So, I can tell you, where's the static coming from?
[1:15:58] Is that the mic?
[1:16:03] Okay, so we will invite anyone in the chamber first to come up and give comment.
[1:16:11] We'll have up to ten minutes to speak for or against.
[1:16:16] And we'll also open it up to people who want to raise their hand on Zoom.
[1:16:20] I
[1:16:23] can't see the zoom things.
[1:16:26] I'm not seeing a hands raised. No one's coming to the podium.
[1:16:29] Going once, going twice.
[1:16:32] All right, we're going to close the public hearing and see what questions or comments council has.
[1:16:38] And councilmember Henshaw, why don't we start with you?
[1:16:41] Sorry, I thought maybe I kicked the cord underneath and that's what was causing the static.
[1:16:45] Hopefully that's, I don't know.
[1:16:51] No, I mean, there was a public comment about how much we, if there's a separate line item for the flock item.
[1:17:00] So I would just ask if you happen to know that off the top of your head.
[1:17:04] The flock that we spent is $250,000 a year, but in the beginning, a lot of this was grand.
[1:17:10] We received money from grants for flock.
[1:17:12] So the city just recently started spending money.
[1:17:14] And so that $250,000 a year is the service plan,
[1:17:19] whereas a lot of the initial installation came from grants.
[1:17:23] That's good.
[1:17:23] Which was, I think, what, ARPA funds?
[1:17:25] ARPA funds, yep.
[1:17:26] And then the additional funding that the government made for violent.
[1:17:30] OK, so if you're listening Brian, that's the answer to your question.
[1:17:35] We have some static problems, I don't know.
[1:17:39] Is that Mike on over there?
[1:17:49] I think it's mine.
[1:17:59] I'm sorry.
[1:17:59] All right.
[1:18:03] No.
[1:18:03] All right.
[1:18:05] That was my only question.
[1:18:06] I think it's
[1:18:09] not what I like.
[1:18:10] I think it's a great presentation.
[1:18:13] I mean, there was a public comment earlier about how we're being inefficient with our money,
[1:18:16] but let's face it, from the year 2000, you know, when that person was speaking about versus today, you know,
[1:18:23] it's a 65% inflation rate, and we've annexed multiple sections of the city.
[1:18:27] And I think the city is doing a good job of spending tax dollars effectively.
[1:18:32] That's what the job of the committee was for and you've been doing a great job here.
[1:18:38] So, I believe we've had very clean audits these past few years.
[1:18:41] We went through a realignment to move our budget and that was a lot of extra work on you.
[1:18:49] So, I applaud you for that.
[1:18:51] So, no additional comments on the matter.
[1:18:53] Are we still on Zoom, like with the all
[1:19:05] of this stuff converges right where my feet go.
[1:19:08] So, well, I've tried to push it all to see if that was causing the static, but our screens went out.
[1:19:20] So hopefully they'll reset.
[1:19:22] Councillor Evans.
[1:19:24] No, thank you for the second presentation on this.
[1:19:27] Just one question.
[1:19:28] Everything else I think looks pretty good and thank you for addressing the separate line item of locks.
[1:19:33] With the scanning projects, digital scanning of all the records, is that 150,000 a one-time fee or so that'll catch us up from everything that's paper-based from years ago?
[1:19:46] Right.
[1:19:47] And going forward will be.
[1:19:49] Everything should be scanned into laser.
[1:19:51] That's awesome.
[1:19:52] All right, thank you.
[1:19:53] Thank you.
[1:19:54] You, a council member, Nasser?
[1:19:58] I have a...
[1:19:59] I have a...
[1:20:00] Only one question about that, that 200 is a 250,000 for the flock, 250,000. Is there any how we can, so that's, that is, without the grant, right? This year we, do we have any grant for that program or? On a reimbursable basis. Okay.
[1:20:26] Trying to see if we can, we can take that, take that flock money out.
[1:20:31] and approved the rest of the budget.
[1:20:35] You can make a motion about that after our discussion.
[1:20:37] I feel okay, thank you.
[1:20:40] Council member Simmons.
[1:20:44] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:20:45] Now, I think great presentation, China.
[1:20:47] Thank you, you nailed it.
[1:20:50] I know, I asked all my questions last time,
[1:20:54] but I did mention something about, you know,
[1:20:58] a fund for preventative maintenance
[1:21:01] It's an offer of buildings going forward and you said it comes out of the general fund.
[1:21:05] Yeah, that's where I created the government buildings, the new department.
[1:21:09] I put more money in there this year so that we can maintain all of it.
[1:21:12] So there's a line item for it.
[1:21:14] Sweet, okay, good.
[1:21:16] Yeah, I just want to make sure, just like, you're doing great and just keep thinking like as we keep acquiring stuff and
[1:21:22] stuff comes online and all we just increase that and just do that accordingly.
[1:21:27] But no, I think that's great, thank you.
[1:21:32] Yeah, thank you and thank you for the presentation again asked most of my questions last time as well. One I believe we talked about the field house last time I saw it here.
[1:21:43] Did we have quotes already on generally what we think repairing that is going to cost and that's been worked into the budget or did you just kind of take a generous step?
[1:21:50] Chris LeFloor had already did some preliminary quote Sony, so I put with he at the highest of what he kind of thought he would cost to get it up to speed.
[1:21:59] Okay, awesome. And we're still planning on purchasing our EV next year.
[1:22:04] First. The floor is truck will be awesome.
[1:22:11] That's great. Yeah. Thanks for highlighting everything. I think the only thing I'll say outside of that is great work with working with Chris on kind of adding sidewalks
[1:22:21] to our just general repaving standard.
[1:22:23] I think that's a great way to start
[1:22:24] peace-mealing a lot of connectivity into the city
[1:22:26] without having to raise a bunch of taxes
[1:22:28] to try to fund all of it.
[1:22:29] So I appreciate you working with that
[1:22:31] to kind of work us towards our vision of a walkable city.
[1:22:34] And yeah, that's it, thank you.
[1:22:36] All right, I think that's everybody, any other comment?
[1:22:39] I do want to go ahead.
[1:22:40] I just want to make sure, let's say hypothetically,
[1:22:43] we'd have to have the discussion.
[1:22:45] But if city council in the end voted to get rid
[1:22:48] of flock contracts,
[1:22:49] We could come back and do a motion to move that money around in the budget.
[1:22:55] I know that's like, we want to avoid that typically, but we can re-apportion that money if we decide to go that direction, right?
[1:23:01] Okay, thank you.
[1:23:03] All right, well to avoid trying to make amendments and stuff, do you want to just make the motion to approve the budget with segregating the funds from block and not voting on those right now?
[1:23:17] You can say yes, I stated by the mayor.
[1:23:20] I stood by the mayor, whatever he said.
[1:23:23] OK, is there a second for that?
[1:23:26] Oh, second.
[1:23:27] All right, any discussion?
[1:23:30] Go ahead.
[1:23:31] When is the flock contract renewal date?
[1:23:34] Do we have that information?
[1:23:35] I don't have it on hand, but I know
[1:23:36] that they're on different cycles.
[1:23:38] We mean the different cameras that we have.
[1:23:40] Yeah, there's multiple contracts.
[1:23:41] Do we have any of that information right now?
[1:23:44] Not right now.
[1:23:45] I hesitate to make financial decisions
[1:23:47] not knowing the implications of what
[1:23:48] that financial decision is, but I am the public record in flavor, flavor of looking for alternatives
[1:23:55] to flock, but I'm not willing to take the tools away from our police until we have a better
[1:24:02] understanding of what that means for the police department and if we can find replacement tools
[1:24:07] that they can use for that. So I'm going to second that one because if we don't have a solution,
[1:24:14] I don't want to take it out, Arif, or stuff's going to get canceled if we don't pay it.
[1:24:18] Coming up, that was a decision that was made, and is there, and you just take with
[1:24:22] until we have a solution or cancel it whichever way we go.
[1:24:25] That's just my opinion.
[1:24:26] I have a clarifying question then, because I was interpreting that as we're just going
[1:24:30] to separate it out and when the time comes to have to pay it, we would vote on it when
[1:24:36] the time came that we had to pay it.
[1:24:37] So we're not saying we're not going to pay it, it's just pulling it out and not saying
[1:24:40] It's a de facto thing until we get public input and all of that that's how I was interpreting it
[1:24:45] Well, you're saying to pull the $250,000 out of technical budget and just put it to the side for just to I guess I'm not
[1:24:51] understanding yeah, it seems semantics
[1:24:55] Because we don't have to approve the budget with that full amount in it whether it's allocated
[1:25:00] To that floc specifically or set aside as a aligned item that could go to floc in the future, we can't not budget for it and change the budget, and then use money from somewhere else to pay floc. So we have to budget accordingly. Okay, so, sorry if I'm being dense. If we just approve the budget as is, we still have a chance at some point to vote on the floc contract and move that money around after if we need to. Okay, then. That's her question. I think that's a yes. I mean, we've got a motion in a second.
[1:25:28] and I think it will be pretty apparent how it'll go.
[1:25:32] So we've had a lot of discussion for something that's taken a second.
[1:25:36] All right, Council Member Ray.
[1:25:38] Yes.
[1:25:40] And so this Council Member Simmons.
[1:25:42] I'm going to know.
[1:25:43] Okay, Council Member Nasser.
[1:25:46] Yes.
[1:25:47] Council Member Henshaw.
[1:25:48] No.
[1:25:48] Council Member Evans.
[1:25:49] No.
[1:25:50] Okay.
[1:25:50] Would anyone else like to make a motion?
[1:25:52] We have a motion to pass the budget as approved.
[1:25:55] I second.
[1:25:55] I think that we will revisit the flock in the future.
[1:25:58] All right, do we have a second?
[1:25:59] Yes, second.
[1:26:00] Councilmember Simmons, any discussion?
[1:26:03] All right, I'll call the roll.
[1:26:05] Councilmember Evans.
[1:26:07] Councilmember Henshaw.
[1:26:08] Councilmember Nazar.
[1:26:14] Councilmember Ray.
[1:26:15] Yes.
[1:26:16] Councilmember Simmons.
[1:26:17] Yes.
[1:26:17] Councilmember Nazar.
[1:26:22] Yes.
[1:26:23] Yes, okay, motion passes.
[1:26:24] Thank you.
[1:26:25] So just for the record, we're seeing yes with the flock
[1:26:27] and then with the understanding that we'll come back and talk.
[1:26:30] As the budget was approved as as is we can bring that item up anytime when it comes yeah
[1:26:39] all right
[1:26:41] Next we have
[1:26:43] Planning community development presenting
[1:26:51] We'll see how this goes with the mic
[1:26:56] All right the first case is a text amendment. This is in a second read of the text amendment. So this is a text amendment to our ordinance that we passed in
[1:27:04] in 2025, allowing accessory units, just changing them to make them have them be allowed by
[1:27:10] right, as opposed to, I think, to come to careful if one wanted to custom design one for
[1:27:16] their property.
[1:27:17] So following up from the discussion that was had last week, there were two things that we
[1:27:21] needed to clarify.
[1:27:21] One was about the language of, if you are having plans designed for an ADU on your property
[1:27:30] that it is designed by a design professional, the original language, was a licensed
[1:27:35] architecture engineer. I went with the language that I meant, I'll highlight in red here
[1:27:40] at the end, licensed design professional and I came to that conclusion based off of what
[1:27:45] the state of Georgia has for architects and similar, they call them registered or licensed
[1:27:50] professionals, and then the American Institute of Artifacts, all of the design professionals,
[1:27:55] so I just managed to get it together to license, design, professional, and on the back end that
[1:27:59] is something that we do check if people are allowed by law to draw the things they are
[1:28:04] throwing.
[1:28:05] So I like that was a pretty good compromise.
[1:28:08] The other, oh no,
[1:28:16] the other, there we go.
[1:28:18] The other question was about whether the addition of an AAU will make your property taxes
[1:28:23] go up.
[1:28:24] I did look at, or talk to the Cabin County and then read into the International, I'm beginning
[1:28:30] with the acronym is basically the International and the National Association for Assessments.
[1:28:33] So will this make your property taxes go up?
[1:28:37] Sure answer is no, the answer is maybe the issue of whether it's zoning or improvements.
[1:28:43] Efecture property taxes is really, and it depends on how active your property tax assessor is at coming and
[1:28:50] visiting your property and seeing if there are improvements.
[1:28:53] I'll say on doorbell side, DeCab County is not pulling permit records from us to find out who's doing improvements.
[1:29:01] That's not, I mean, it's data we would provide if they ask, but it's not data that they are asking from us and that we're given.
[1:29:06] We, the other way around, we get most of our data from Decavon County, not the other way around.
[1:29:11] So theoretically, an improvement on your property, or an ADU on your property could make your taxes go up, but in the same way that, you know, adding an addition or enclosing your porch or something like that.
[1:29:20] Would as well.
[1:29:22] I'm just a reminder that we haven't had any ADU permits since we adopted this ordinance.
[1:29:27] Staff are recommending approval and planning commission also recommended approval.
[1:29:31] I don't know if you have any questions.
[1:29:35] This, sorry, it's not a public hearing, I had that last month, I'm sorry, that was my mistake.
[1:29:41] Correct, yes, secondary, that will mistake, my bad.
[1:29:53] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:29:54] No, it sounds good.
[1:29:55] Awesome quick question though about that license professional
[1:30:00] Architect, I'm not going to make a comment about Chris, don't worry. How if the homeowner draws it? Right, because if the homeowner draws plans here, they don't need to be a license professional. They can submit for a permit, get their own permit, correct? Let's
[1:30:22] put that in. You do need a license.
[1:30:25] Okay. Just wondering. And then I know we talked about, they're going to be separate meters in all. I guess you could up size your meter to your house and rub.
[1:30:37] We're on a sub panel out there.
[1:30:39] We did not add any of that language in the ordinance,
[1:30:41] but basically we're going to let.
[1:30:42] Yeah, yeah, no, no, I don't want to add an ordinance.
[1:30:44] I was just thinking, just I just want to let people know
[1:30:46] that if you do add a separate meter and all that stuff,
[1:30:49] then it will probably ping the county
[1:30:52] to come look at your stuff more.
[1:30:53] And if you improve your property, your value goes up,
[1:30:57] your taxes will go up, you know,
[1:30:59] because you're improving your property.
[1:31:00] But it's if they come assess it.
[1:31:03] So just take that and account,
[1:31:04] You're probably better off up sizing the meat at your house and running a sub panel to that house then
[1:31:10] Getting a separate meter
[1:31:13] Thank you. That's a next customer branch on
[1:31:17] Thanks, I mean, it's just to talk a little bit about this this stem from house bill 1166 correct and
[1:31:23] I mean ultimately Georgia now requires that cities allow by right
[1:31:28] 80 use on single family properties and this is a historic district and
[1:31:32] Is that correct?
[1:31:34] I did not pass.
[1:31:36] I don't think that was just a proposed consultation.
[1:31:38] All right, for some reason I thought that had passed.
[1:31:41] I do know that they had put a restriction in of size.
[1:31:43] We haven't eliminated our size restrictions
[1:31:45] correct within the city.
[1:31:47] If you're doing it as a detached structure,
[1:31:49] as most people do, we treated the same way
[1:31:51] as we treat other accessory structures.
[1:31:53] So there's a size limitation based on how big your house is.
[1:31:56] I did an ADU in City of Atlanta
[1:31:58] that's under construction right now that's over 2000 square feet.
[1:32:02] It's amazing what some people will put on their property.
[1:32:03] But you have to have a fairly large house here in Doorbell to get that passed.
[1:32:08] No, I think this was good.
[1:32:10] And I do want to make a comment that if you are, I would love to see somebody do one of these, and I'm working on one.
[1:32:15] But if you are doing this and you do need a stamp and
[1:32:18] analyze professional, a number of lumber supply companies will actually design.
[1:32:23] You give them your drawings, they will design the framing package and then stamp it for you at no additional charge.
[1:32:29] So if you do need a design professional, that's a great resource that you can get it done for.
[1:32:42] All right. Councilmember Ray.
[1:32:48] No additional questions. Thank you, Austin. Councilmember Nasser.
[1:32:57] About the taxes. So they can build a second edition of the house. I mean, second edition
[1:33:03] in their back, right on their, on their parcel.
[1:33:08] And absolutely paid no taxes, no extra taxes for the second.
[1:33:15] I'm trying to say I don't know, I mean, that's really dependent on what the tax assessor does effective.
[1:33:20] Dorival doesn't control it, but right now the tax assessor doesn't know if you put one in your house or not.
[1:33:26] And in Northwoods, I can think of a house that basically could completely rebuild the 1950s.
[1:33:33] into this huge modern structure and it was still listed as 1953 1200 square
[1:33:40] foot house you know like 10 years later so I would say actually it'd be more
[1:33:47] in the city's interest to be making sure the county was updating this stuff
[1:33:51] because I mean it's not you know we're kind of losing revenue there but that's
[1:33:57] that's like kind of a different decision than this. The reason I was asking
[1:34:02] question. Some of the residents, they should have reached out to me and telling me that okay,
[1:34:07] we're allowing them a completely different structure on the property, on the parcel.
[1:34:13] Then we are not collecting taxes. Then we do have some rooming housing issue. And
[1:34:20] if people go to whatever they want to do, then there's a small parking lot. Also their drive
[1:34:31] It's also small that people will be parking their vehicle all over the street blocking people's commuting and a lot of other issues could raise, and which our court enforcement is
[1:34:45] every day they're getting going out there there's a lot of complaints.
[1:34:52] Also trash
[1:34:53] is overrun, then we still have a complaint, people complaining trash can be
[1:34:57] seen from the street or whatever going on and
[1:35:00] You know, just so much trying to figure out how to have a solution, because this is at to the problem that currently that we are facing. I understand it's a great improvement that that we are trying to move our city forward, but at the same time, these are the problems that we're going to have. And that I don't know how to, you know, answer to those public for these type of issues that's coming out. I mean, other than that, it's a great plan.
[1:35:29] I don't know if Austin's going to be able to answer those questions either right they're
[1:35:37] more like that's what your guys are deciding tonight so weighing everything.
[1:35:43] Councillor Marevans. Thank you Mayor. Thank you for the second presentation on this.
[1:35:50] So I guess my main question related to these pre-approved plans by the city do we have
[1:35:58] of these plans already?
[1:35:59] Are they designed?
[1:36:01] Not yet.
[1:36:02] I think I said this last month.
[1:36:04] That's been a lot more complicated than I thought,
[1:36:07] because there's a lot of people talking about doing that,
[1:36:08] and a lot of people who are actually doing it yet.
[1:36:10] So we are talking to a group in Atlanta
[1:36:13] that is trying to figure out how to do that
[1:36:16] and streamline that process, but we're not there yet.
[1:36:20] It's hard for me to say yes to this without seeing
[1:36:23] what the pre-approved plan is.
[1:36:26] The pre-approved plan stuff is already in the ordinance.
[1:36:28] This is basically just allowing somebody who wants to resign their own to come in and do it by right.
[1:36:33] And staff
[1:36:39] perspective, there's no concern on that on it being done as the pre-approved plans without checking first.
[1:36:47] The code enforcement, et cetera.
[1:36:49] Well, the pre-approved plan part would need to be approved like the same plans a lot.
[1:36:55] actual plan documents would need to be adopted by council that's in the
[1:36:59] ordinance as well that council will be presented with those when they when they
[1:37:03] when we have them and then prove whether or not to use this one or this one
[1:37:08] or something like that and this is a text amendment so this is in addition to all
[1:37:13] the other qualifications of what's already in order and it's correct and the text
[1:37:19] this text amendment is only for somebody designing their own and whether or
[1:37:23] We want every one of those to have to come to council or whether we want those to just be handled administratively like other accessories.
[1:37:30] We're very interested.
[1:37:34] The one concern that I keep thinking about is the septic tanks.
[1:37:37] If we're adding additional square footage, how do we know based on the size of the house, this is up to a third of the size, I believe.
[1:37:46] What does that look like regarding overflowing or causing issues running down the street?
[1:37:55] I mean, this is where I lean back on, you know, when we do this administratively, I mean, we do have the same issues when people are adding onto their house, or if they're adding plumbing into an accessory structure that's maybe not living in, and whether or not they're on sewer or septic is one of the things that's checked, and then if they're on septic, I mean, hopefully they know where their septic tank is, and they're not trying to put something on top of it, but then, you know, what is the capacity, how old is it?
[1:38:20] So it's, you know, there's not a single answer for every single property, but it is something
[1:38:26] that's checked every time.
[1:38:30] I saw my question.
[1:38:31] Thank you.
[1:38:33] All right.
[1:38:35] Yeah.
[1:38:36] Councilmember Simmons.
[1:38:37] I just want to say one more thing and it doesn't, it has to do with this, but doesn't,
[1:38:42] like if, you know, we talk about impact fees and all just in the future, just think about
[1:38:47] if they do add this in the language, what to do, another Texan about adding impact fees
[1:38:52] to that and take that into account when they do it.
[1:38:55] Just since they'll be adding more rooms
[1:38:57] and going in the sewer and water and all that stuff
[1:39:00] and connection, so I just wanted to bring that up.
[1:39:03] Now, I want to add that too.
[1:39:05] No, I don't think we haven't passed anything about it yet.
[1:39:08] So like, it's a new point, but if we do pass something,
[1:39:12] let's take that into account.
[1:39:13] Welcome to the future.
[1:39:15] Has the number of handshot?
[1:39:16] We do require a survey in order to put the structure
[1:39:18] on your property, correct?
[1:39:19] Do we have explicit language in our code that says if you have a septic field it has to be
[1:39:23] notated on the survey? I don't know if we have that exact language in there but yeah
[1:39:32] I would just say that would be a good idea. It was like something that yeah I mean obviously
[1:39:36] when you put an addition on your house you need to check that but you know you put a shed on
[1:39:40] your house typically upon center blocks it's not a big deal but you start connecting to it would
[1:39:44] be good idea. I think thank you Carol for bringing that up so yeah that would be nice. I don't
[1:39:49] I don't know if I can make a motion include that or would you prefer to bring that back
[1:39:54] as an item later?
[1:39:55] I'd prefer to bring that back because I don't know if it's in there or not.
[1:39:57] And El or with a verbiage to be okay then I'll just make-
[1:40:00] The motion will prove as in the packet. We have a second. So any discussion? All right. I'll call the roll. Councilmember Henshaw. Yes. Councilmember Nasser.
[1:40:15] It's no. Councilmember Simmons. Yes. Councilmember Ray. Yes. Councilmember Evans. Yes. All right. Motion passes. Thank you. Okay.
[1:40:29] We're going to take two minutes.
[1:40:33] And we'll be back in a minute.
[1:40:35] All right,
[1:44:36] let's go ahead and start the meeting back and we'll start with Z26-06.
[1:44:42] All right, thank you Mayor.
[1:44:43] This is, as you said, a rezoning of a parcel on New Peachtree Road, 6446, New Peachtree
[1:44:48] Road.
[1:44:48] This is actually a newly created parcel, but we'll get into that in a little bit.
[1:44:52] So the applicant is, the owner is Kinder Morgan, but there's also a representative strength
[1:44:59] of the business owner here.
[1:45:00] It was purchasing the property from Kinder Morgan as part of this rezoning. So the property is currently zoned. Actually, here's an aerial view of the property. So I'm sure we've all are familiar with this at the corner of McElroy and New Peachtree Road. The petroleum storage facility here, there is a warehouse on the northern end of the property. Until recently, they were all one property back in May of this year. It was subdivided so that the warehouse and its associated parking lot were split off from the petroleum tanks. Here's a street view of the property.
[1:45:30] And then the parcel viewer, so you can see the new property, parcel boundary lines that
[1:45:35] were drawn when this was replanted earlier this year.
[1:45:38] So the currently the property is zone M2 conditional, so that's a heavy industrial with a condition
[1:45:44] on the property.
[1:45:46] The condition that's on the property restricts the use of the property to petroleum storage
[1:45:51] and distribution uses.
[1:45:52] And then to get back in the little, I'm forgetting what order my slides are in, but there's
[1:45:57] So a couple of properties on New Peachtree Road that are zoned with this condition.
[1:46:02] The historical reason for that and the warehouse building, my slides are all out of order.
[1:46:06] The order that I thought they were in.
[1:46:08] The existing warehouse building is here.
[1:46:10] Some photos, recent photos of what the property looks inside of the property looks like and then a rough floor plan.
[1:46:15] It's more or less 30, 34 or 35,000 square feet inside and I've lost control again.
[1:46:21] All right, so the operator that's being proposing to purchase the property from Kinder Morgan
[1:46:28] after the zoning is a pressure-washing business known as Wiseguys, so they're proposing
[1:46:33] to move their headquarters from Peachtree corners to this facility.
[1:46:40] And I really messed up the order here.
[1:46:42] That's okay.
[1:46:42] So there's a lot of uses that are being proposed on the property.
[1:46:46] The applicant is requesting that the property be resumed to M1, so light industrial removing
[1:46:50] removing the condition, restricting the use on the property.
[1:46:53] Spoiler alert, staff is recommending that it be zoned instead to office warehouse.
[1:46:58] Here's a comparison of the uses that were provided as part of the application for
[1:47:03] wise guys and then what fits in which zoning district.
[1:47:06] So you can see on here that M1 is a bit more permissive right out out of the gate.
[1:47:14] So staff are recommending denial of the request of rezoning to M1 instead of
[1:47:18] recommending that it be resumed office warehouse and then, okay, now here's the part where I'm going to go into historical.
[1:47:23] So, as one of the public commenters mentioned, the property is currently in our current comprehensive plan in the
[1:47:31] what the character, you know, is the Buford Highway Cultural Corridor, this pink shade down the middle here.
[1:47:37] In 2013, the property was owned in one light industrial.
[1:47:41] In 2020, this was one of the first big city initiated zoning that we did was rezoning Buford Highway and
[1:47:47] Pichu Road, inside and outside 285, all to T5 and T6.
[1:47:53] In 2022, we had, we went through this process where we had some of the petroleum storage
[1:48:01] and distribution facilities where we realized they didn't have business licenses.
[1:48:04] So we were really working through trying to get all of them to acquire their licenses with
[1:48:09] the city.
[1:48:10] These properties could not acquire a business license because we had reasoned them to something
[1:48:14] that does not allow that use.
[1:48:15] So the city re-zoned them back and then that was when the condition was added by council to restrict them as kind of a practical measure of
[1:48:21] You know, we don't normally zone things to heavy industrial anymore
[1:48:25] Even though we have a lot of it, but just kind of a practical consideration that the this use is probably not going to go away because these are more or less spent in purpose-built properties
[1:48:35] And then also just some the
[1:48:39] Notes here, you know when we're looking at our current comprehensive plan and then the one that we're about to adopt
[1:48:47] The use of the beef or highway in the new peach tree red quarters is really always for a long time but
[1:48:52] envisioned is more high density, more mixed use.
[1:48:55] Right now they're mostly commercial and a little bit industrial but just in the future as door go grows and
[1:49:01] changes what's going to happen there.
[1:49:03] This property in the updated comprehensive plan or soon to be updated comprehensive plan, you see the tank farm district
[1:49:09] in the blue there comes across the railroad tracks.
[1:49:12] This property is still in the Beford Highway corridor character area in the proposed comprehensive plan and just about the order in which things have happened.
[1:49:27] So the initial draft of the comprehensive plan, like the very first skeleton draft that was put out, did have this property in the tank farm district.
[1:49:36] It was not split off from the Kinder Morgan property at the time when it was split off and became, you know
[1:49:42] Not necessarily tied to the petroleum tanks anymore. That's when it's the character area was switched to the cultural corridor
[1:49:52] I'm gonna skip over this for time because I know you got to go so there one more note. There is a deed restriction on the property
[1:50:00] That restricts a lot of uses, particularly residential. I'm not expecting you guys to read all this. This is a list of what's allowed in M1 and OW by right and with a conditional use permit. The uses that are highlighted and read are the ones that are on the deed restriction that are not allowed to be on this property. And so, like I said, the staff's recommendation is to not rezone it to M1 but instead rezone it to office warehouse, which is kind of the next level of intensity down in industrial and commercial properties.
[1:50:27] So, so that's staff's recommendation and then I won't go into that planning commission
[1:50:37] recommended approval with some can do a reasonable approval to rezone it to M1 with some conditions.
[1:50:43] And you know we can go into those if you'd like but anyway this
[1:50:49] is the public hearings we're
[1:50:50] going to have to hear from the public and actually before that they went from Kendra Morgan
[1:50:55] here. Is there anything you want us here? Do you want
[1:50:57] not wise guys to speak. Go ahead.
[1:51:07] Good afternoon mayor council. My name is Rick Seaman. I'm one of the
[1:51:10] congressional directors at Kendra Morgan. And on 6446 it is
[1:51:15] zoned currently m2c and it is in the tank farm district. About a
[1:51:21] year ago so when we started this process you know I did make some
[1:51:23] inquiries to make sure that we could indeed separate the
[1:51:27] property. At the time it was a unused warehouse and we felt that
[1:51:31] that in better standing with the community,
[1:51:34] it's better not to have an unused warehouse,
[1:51:36] so we did go through the process of separating that out.
[1:51:40] We did bring this in front of the planning committee
[1:51:42] on September 2nd and they did vote in favor of the M1.
[1:51:46] So our request today is to vote your vote
[1:51:48] for in favor of an M1 and as staff have noted,
[1:51:52] it wasn't M1 property prior.
[1:51:55] In that comprehensive plan,
[1:51:57] it does mention that the importance of the overall balance
[1:52:00] to the community and the goals and the flexibility of accommodating the unforeseen and the innovative
[1:52:06] redevelopment concept is what we're talking about.
[1:52:10] Although he staff mentioned that it was not part of the tank farm, there are three pipelines
[1:52:16] on that property with an easement, so it does still fit within the tank district requirement.
[1:52:23] Also along the way we feel we support many of your objectives, one being maintaining the
[1:52:31] industrial side of view for corridor by keeping this in the tank district, two by promoting
[1:52:37] the economic development for the adaptive use, which was reselling this to an active community
[1:52:44] minded individual and company, and then also limiting the future development of the M1 zoning,
[1:52:50] We initially wanted just the M2, but we talked with staff and the council to then
[1:52:57] re-change that to the M1 zoning. And then this aligns with the infrastructure
[1:53:03] plan and the purpose of the multi-use of that property. Going to an OW does not
[1:53:09] give that zoning requirement of separating an M2C with an OW right next door. We
[1:53:16] We feel that M1 would give that zoning requirement of giving that buffer zone and the requirement
[1:53:23] of still having those three pipelines are also on that.
[1:53:27] So we feel that a favorable vote is an appropriate measure.
[1:53:34] So in conclusion on my side, the subject property is especially in the bank district.
[1:53:40] It's still a subject to the SSD and M1 zoning would represent a balance and solution of
[1:53:46] the economic development, preserving the integrity of the Buford Corridor, and it recognizes
[1:53:51] the property of a standing industrial character, as well as the appropriate transition between
[1:53:57] an M2 and a adjacent property which was in this case with the M1.
[1:54:02] So with that, I'll yield to Wes.
[1:54:12] Hello, everyone.
[1:54:14] My name is Wesley Bloom.
[1:54:15] I'm the owner of Wise Guys' Pro Wash.
[1:54:17] I appreciate you all being here today.
[1:54:19] I'm just going to run through this a little bit.
[1:54:21] The building was built in 1948, so it was actually one year after the GM assembly plan
[1:54:26] opened to give you some context of how old this property is.
[1:54:30] Over the life of the property, the 78 years that it's been here, it's been zone M1-71
[1:54:34] of those years, so 90% of its life it's been zone M1, so we don't feel that we're asking
[1:54:39] for something that is out of the realm of what's already been there.
[1:54:44] I'm not going to go through the maps.
[1:54:46] Here's an overview of the property.
[1:54:48] in yellow down on the bottom right you can see behind it all of the tank
[1:54:52] farms that are there. And if we go to the next one you can see the pipeline
[1:54:55] easement on the right side of the property. That's what the yellow is.
[1:55:00] There, that's a 30-foot stretch that cannot be built on top of because of the pipelines. You can see behind the property is the active railroad corridor, and then to the left side of it is the tanks. To give you some context, I've become somewhat of a wannabe expert when it comes to oil. I didn't plan on that, but that tank next door is a 55,000 barrel tank, which holds over 2 million gallons of gasoline. And to give you some context, it's roughly 15,000.
[1:55:29] feet from the building. So here it is over the years. This is back in 2003. This is the last
[1:55:35] aerial image that I can see that has a lot of cars. Notice it is a Saturday, which is kind
[1:55:39] of interesting. As we flow through the years, you can see that the amount of cars goes down.
[1:55:45] It's hard to know exactly how long it's been vacant for, but you can see in 2010, it's clearly vacant.
[1:55:51] So nothing's really been happening there for a long time now. Not going to go through this because
[1:55:56] We've already been touched upon, so in terms of who we are, so this is not necessarily
[1:56:03] a wise guy's commercial, you can look us up if you want to know more about us.
[1:56:07] But we've been around for almost 10 years now, started the company when I was in college,
[1:56:13] and we've got about 50 people in the company now, and we're the highest rated largest
[1:56:18] exterior cleaning company in Georgia.
[1:56:20] So here's a photo of our company, not necessarily to like flex and show how many people we have,
[1:56:28] but it's more a matter of look at how cleanly we present.
[1:56:31] And it's really important to us how we present being a cleaning company.
[1:56:34] And so for us, making sure that all of our trucks and our people are uniformed and represent.
[1:56:40] Here's a, we clean Georgetown football stadium, we also clean a baseball stadium, other areas.
[1:56:44] And so this is more so to see another shot of the trucks.
[1:56:48] This is the biggest truck that we have. It's called an Azuzu NRR. It's a 12 foot long bed. It's the size of a pickup truck.
[1:56:55] It's just a little bit wider. So we're not running semi-trucks or anything like that.
[1:56:59] Here's a photo of our existing warehouse to give you kind of some context of our trucks inside of it.
[1:57:03] We have our holiday light storage and the back of the trucks with the reeds and the bins.
[1:57:07] And so, you know, it's really important for us that we're keeping things nice, clean, and organized.
[1:57:12] You know, we'll skip that.
[1:57:13] So here's the outside of the building right now, you know honestly it just looks like an old industrial building
[1:57:19] It's not really providing much character to the corridor and so and it takes a lot of work
[1:57:24] It's gonna take a lot of work to to fix it up. Here's some photo some additional photos, you know
[1:57:29] Obviously the photos that you saw before were like the best photos that they have of the property in terms of like opening all the doors
[1:57:34] They don't normally open to get the natural light in because there's no actual lights in the building
[1:57:39] Again, there's holes in the ground for the toilets would be
[1:57:43] It's going to take millions of dollars to restore it, there's no floor, there's no ceiling, there's no lighting, there's no HFAC in the building right now, at all.
[1:57:51] So across the street, and I think part of it is that what my goal is is not just to be a part of what the city doesn't want in terms of just adding industrial space to add industrial space.
[1:58:03] I think for me, it's more a matter of making better than what's there now.
[1:58:07] Now this is across the street right now, these are legally conforming, I believe, is the
[1:58:14] proper term.
[1:58:15] And so even though these are T5 properties, which is less of a zoning than what we're asking
[1:58:20] for, it still doesn't really scream D for Highway culture corridor.
[1:58:24] And so, you know, for us, what we want to do is we want to change that.
[1:58:29] And so we want to add back to what the city is trying to do to make the corridor more of
[1:58:35] a walkable area.
[1:58:36] You can see that there's actually going to be a mobility path that's going in front of the property
[1:58:42] That's already underway by the city and so what we want to do is we want to add to that
[1:58:46] I was in the council meeting the last council meeting as the comprehensive plan was gone over and one of the things that was mentioned
[1:58:52] Is that there's not a lot of canopy cover over the sidewalks, and that's something that the city wants
[1:58:57] So that's why you know we put in the the idea to put in the the trees to do so
[1:59:03] Also, you know, having this be more of a mobility corridor is another priority of the city.
[1:59:08] So in doing so, and this is all like me guessing, because it's not like, you know, anyone told me I should do this, I literally just had to make it up.
[1:59:14] And I met with Allison and Albert, and they also thought that it would be good.
[1:59:18] And so the idea is that tie in some public art that ties into the, you know, the cultural history of the city, add in a couple of benches.
[1:59:27] So that way, you know, as people are utilizing it, they can actually sit down on the shade.
[1:59:31] and putting a bike repair station in as well.
[1:59:35] So I think really what I'm getting at is that our goal isn't to just be there.
[1:59:41] Our goal is to actually improve the property that's there, and really to be a part of the city.
[1:59:46] I grew up coming to Dorville, my dad had a business in Dorville, so as a kid I was able to come with him to work.
[1:59:53] And so I don't have kids yet, but the goal would be that when that time comes that I can bring them to my office,
[1:59:59] which I hope.
[2:00:00] Hopefully would be this building. This is not a speculative project. This is something that I've been working on for 10 months. Honestly, the fact that I'm even here speaking in front of you all, I never thought this would get to this point. Honestly, there are so many ways that I thought I would get shot down. And so, so that's really more what it is is that, you know, for us to be able to operate, obviously, we need M1. And so, yeah, so that's what we're here for. I think the
[2:00:29] You know, again, the city's, one of the, in the comprehensive plan, you know, the parks is an area that the city wants to improve.
[2:00:36] I know that was recently mentioned that there's some new playground equipment that's on the way.
[2:00:41] Honestly, I don't know that some of the playground equipment does need to be replaced.
[2:00:44] I think it seems to be cleaned.
[2:00:46] One of the things that we want to do is to give back to the community, which we already do.
[2:00:50] And so one of the ways that we did that specifically, recently in Dorville, was to clean English Oak Park.
[2:00:56] We spoke with Ms. Kim in the recreation department to make sure that it was okay and she was the one who mentioned this park right here
[2:01:03] There's the sign. You can't really see it from this far away. Here's a sidewalk out front. You can see you know
[2:01:08] Left side is the before right side is the after and
[2:01:11] You know here is some of the benches and trash cans. I don't know where we're being proposed replacing on this particular park
[2:01:17] But I did over here that they look pretty good now
[2:01:19] So I think you know cleaning them up definitely does a good thing there
[2:01:24] Here's some of the playground equipment you can see on the left hand side, some of the
[2:01:27] likeness growing on the roof, and on the right side, it's clean, and this is really like
[2:01:32] the worst of it, was there was a ton of likeness on the play structures that has now been
[2:01:35] cleaned as well.
[2:01:36] So, really, it's trying to find the balance between, even though this property is reparsaled,
[2:01:43] it's still kind of attached to the tank farm next door, and so, M1, we feel that is the
[2:01:49] right balance of being able to step down from what is there now, which would allow us
[2:01:54] to operate. So, thank you.
[2:01:58] Thank you very much. Well, this is a public hearing. So before we hear from the councilor
[2:02:04] ask other questions, why don't we open it up to members of the public? Well, first, I
[2:02:08] opened it up to anyone wishing to speak in favor of this item.
[2:02:18] Yeah.
[2:02:22] Steffi couldn't slip a note, Cliff. This is right around the corner from where I live. And
[2:02:26] And the property under made, I thought some good arguments about that this is a step
[2:02:33] down zoning, putting OW directly adjacent to M2 doesn't really fit what we usually do
[2:02:41] with our zoning.
[2:02:42] When we did the rezoning of the industrial areas on the other side of my house, we did, it
[2:02:50] was M1 and then we stepped it down to OW and then the M2 is on the other side of that.
[2:02:55] And I don't think anybody would like zone M2 right next to R1 and the whole idea of zoning is it does step down in use from heavy industrial to lighter industrial to OW to that sort of thing.
[2:03:11] One thing that they also brought up is it is 15 feet from the property liner for the building from gasoline tank.
[2:03:19] And there's this whole blast zone that you can't have certain uses within so many feet of a gasoline tank.
[2:03:27] And I understand that the comprehensive plan is, which I'm a big proponent of comprehensive plans and following them,
[2:03:36] that their vision is 20 years out.
[2:03:38] And potentially 20 years out, those tanks aren't going to be there, potentially, you know, could be, but they may be gone.
[2:03:44] and at that point, you do want to have this view from highway cultural court or reach
[2:03:51] all the way up to that point, but for the foreseeable future, those tanks are going to be there.
[2:03:58] And to bring, to turn a building that's not being used, and have it adaptively reused
[2:04:06] to bring 50 jobs into the city that don't currently exist here, and to bring an employer
[2:04:12] into the city and then have the people that are working there, going to restaurants and
[2:04:17] bond gasoline and potentially moving the door available to be closer to their job.
[2:04:21] I think far outweighs trying to force this OW zoning into an area that has these tank or
[2:04:32] the pipeline easements and are that close to a tank.
[2:04:36] And he's proven he's a business owner, he's not likely to go out of business after 10 years.
[2:04:41] is once you make it, you know, kind of proven once you make it about three years, you're
[2:04:45] going to your viable business. And I just hate to see the city miss out on the tax revenue
[2:04:52] of bringing this kind of business into the city with all these employees. I know I'm on the
[2:04:58] D.A. Board, we...
[2:05:00] Definitely take into account how many jobs a potential incentive is going to bring into the city. And I hope y'all will consider proving this. With conditions, if needed to make sure that it fits with y'all's vision of what that area should be. But anyway, thanks for your time. Thank you. Anyone else? We should speak in favor?
[2:05:25] Is
[2:05:29] there a hand raised?
[2:05:32] No. Okay. All right. Anyone wish to speak against? Okay. All right. We'll bring the person over. And I can't see their names. So.
[2:05:46] Yes. Hi. This is Carsten White from Kendra Morgan. I would like to speak in favor of the M1 zoning on behalf of Kendra Morgan.
[2:05:54] And we'd like to publicly thank Wes and his wise guys team on this crusade to contribute
[2:06:02] to the betterment, not only of this property but of door-veal.
[2:06:06] We think that this is an amazing opportunity for the city and ask that you take that into
[2:06:11] consideration.
[2:06:12] Thank you.
[2:06:13] Thank you.
[2:06:14] Anyone else?
[2:06:16] All right.
[2:06:16] And we'll wish I speak against the podium or raise your hand.
[2:06:22] Not seeing anyone, we will close the public hearing.
[2:06:27] I guess Austin, after I asked my questions, I have to leave.
[2:06:32] But I was going to ask are there any ways that we could make OW work for them?
[2:06:41] Yeah, I mean, we could do amend the use table to, you know, try to bring this kind of use in to the OW district
[2:06:51] to be allowed to get the warehouse
[2:06:54] more or less wise guys kind of fits into the contractor.
[2:06:57] I would say like honestly like when you look at the the uses A, the truck like we've got other fleet vehicle,
[2:07:05] Stanley steamer, the pest control place that are, you know, have fleet vehicles.
[2:07:12] What I heard when I went back and watched the planning commission meeting was will they have outside storage
[2:07:19] because they've got stuff on their trucks, but that's kind of like built-in, they can't like remove that stuff, so.
[2:07:25] Yeah, that would be, and a tax amendment would be a way that we could bring uses like this into the, into the OW district and then, yeah.
[2:07:36] I guess my comment to council is that, you know, I do support our comprehensive plan and I think that this was known to.
[2:07:49] the current zoning because a tank farm owned it,
[2:07:53] and they didn't have a business license,
[2:07:56] and they had to be made legal.
[2:07:59] And so we changed the zoning to allow for that.
[2:08:06] Otherwise, our expectation was anything would be a tank farm,
[2:08:11] or if it changed, it would have been something in T5 zoning.
[2:08:15] I agree that, you know, we're probably not going to find a business that's as good as this one, but I also think that we should look for ways to make it work for, you know, work within the comprehensive plan.
[2:08:32] And I don't think making a few text amendment changes to OW that I don't think would really change the character of OW is that hard to me.
[2:08:42] that seems like an easy, the easiest way to do it.
[2:08:46] And you could even make the text amendments so that, you know,
[2:08:49] it's within certain circumstances or something for those things
[2:08:53] to, you know, if you're worried about it getting out of control.
[2:08:56] But, again, I'll say I agree with a lot of the arguments that are made
[2:09:02] by the property owner and the company that's coming in.
[2:09:08] But I also do support our comprehensive plan
[2:09:11] and think this shouldn't be an M1 property, so I just encourage you to look for ways to get to yes without placing undue burdens on the hopefully future owner of the property.
[2:09:27] So with that, I apologize, I have to leave at 8 o'clock and it's 758, so I'm turning it over to our Mayor Pro Tem and he will run the questions to council and then whether or not we wave anything.
[2:09:39] Okay, first I'll need the gavel, yeah, remember
[2:09:47] how to do all this.
[2:09:49] So I guess I can ask my questions then first and then start going out, yeah, yeah, exactly.
[2:10:01] I have a few questions and suggestions. The M1, the problem was zoning it M1, because right now it's M2 with a condition. The problem was zoning it M1 with a condition or anything like that is.
[2:10:22] Yeah, to elaborate a little bit more on staff's position. So, our recommendation kind of stems from these.
[2:10:30] So the first one is, in the current comprehensive plan, it's just not contemplated at all, in the updated one, you know, in the little stoplight charts.
[2:10:39] Yeah, I understand the T5.
[2:10:42] But, well, T5, but then also OW is one of the things that's changed that's now allowed if it's appropriate in the Buford Highway corridor.
[2:10:50] And I think this is a pretty strong argument for one of those uses where it's appropriate.
[2:10:54] it. The other one is kind of, you know, as an ending in zoning guy, you know, our burden
[2:11:01] of looking future forward. So, you know, with all due respect to Wesley and Wise Guy's,
[2:11:08] you know, great business. This isn't necessarily about what they're proposing. If we zone into
[2:11:13] an industrial property with kind of no constraints, you know, and however many years, once Wise
[2:11:19] these guys relocates due to their overwhelming success to a larger property, you know, what
[2:11:23] comes after that.
[2:11:24] And the things that are allowed in an industrial district are like some of them are pretty
[2:11:30] intense, you know, not to say that some of them are pretty intense and so a lot of them are
[2:11:36] allowed by right.
[2:11:36] And so, you know, when we recommend things like T5, it's not really because we're wanting,
[2:11:40] you know, just apartments everywhere because this is one of those absolutely would not work
[2:11:44] for a variety of reasons.
[2:11:47] But part of staff's position is basically OW is kind of the compromised position where
[2:11:51] we're moving away from, you know, the stuff we usually recommend for Buford Highway,
[2:11:54] but we're also not going so far that future Austin's are going to have an industrial property
[2:12:03] right on the bike path that we're up to.
[2:12:05] Okay, so the reason I ask that is, is like, change in T5 I agree with our comp plan.
[2:12:11] But I don't think T5 is going on that property until kindergarten Morgan moved, you know what I'm saying?
[2:12:17] Like as long as kindergarten Morgan is there, I think that property is M2 or M1 or whatever.
[2:12:23] It doesn't make sense to me.
[2:12:25] So, with that being said, and I'm not against OW, it makes sense to me, but I know we did it on the landscaping company.
[2:12:36] There's no way we can change it to M1 and then change it back to T5.
[2:12:40] so they're grandfathered in as an M1 with that use and all as well because like
[2:12:47] literally those two properties go together you know and it's not going to
[2:12:52] change the T5 until they both go or at least kind of more in the gas tank parts
[2:12:56] going you know so there's any way we can do that because I know we did it with
[2:13:00] the landscape and company right there on new peach tree and longmire it is
[2:13:07] something we have done. I will say I was not personally in favor of doing that.
[2:13:12] Why is that? Having the city do somebody else's work on their working on
[2:13:20] somebody else's behalf and you know kind of giving them preferential
[2:13:24] treatment. So I would recommend we not do that in this case. I would use the mayor's
[2:13:33] language, you know, to try to get to yes. I think that it could work in the constraints
[2:13:39] of our own comprehensive plan would or less all agree on. But also maybe make some tweaks
[2:13:46] for the westlies of the future who want to move into these old warehouse buildings that
[2:13:51] we have scattered around.
[2:13:56] Okay, I mean, that makes sense, in the sense it shows favoritism, like that's what we want.
[2:14:02] We'll make it work and we'll do it this way as opposed to leaving it open.
[2:14:05] Okay, I understand.
[2:14:07] Thank you.
[2:14:09] My question is for this one's for wise guys.
[2:14:13] So is the, it sounded like you were leaning towards M1, you would prefer M1 zoning, is that
[2:14:20] correct?
[2:14:20] or in Kinder Morgan too is what I heard, okay, was the problem with OW the outside parking, was that really the main deal breaker?
[2:14:31] So there's two parts to it, there's the outdoor parking of vehicles, but then there's also the outdoor parking of equipment, either of those are allowed under OW right now.
[2:14:39] So that is kind of the issue of, what's your equipment, it's just your trucks with the stuff on it, right or is there a route to it?
[2:14:45] So we've got, you know, we have trailers, we have a boom lift, a 55 foot boom lift that would be parked out there, we have
[2:14:54] That wasn't shown in the picture wasn't no, no, we have a at our current
[2:15:00] On a location, we have an outdoor area that's fenced off on the side of the building. And so that's where we're storing. So because our business is so seasonal, there are times where it makes sense for us to winterize equipment and put outside. So that way it's out of circulation as we're working on holiday lights, for example. So, you know, part of the idea is to, you know, by putting that fencing across the front of the property, that provides the eight foot privacy fencing. And so that would provide a similar effect as what happened at Longmire.
[2:15:29] to where you can't see whether we have trucks or equipment parked outside, which at that
[2:15:34] point, if that fences up, doesn't really change much in terms of the difference between
[2:15:40] OW and M1 in terms of for the corridor.
[2:15:42] I think that one of the things to keep in mind when it comes to M1 is that the heaviest uses
[2:15:47] of M1 do require a conditional use permit, which means that they would still have to come
[2:15:53] before you want to get approval on that.
[2:15:54] It's not that if it's M1, you know, when I sell the property, you know, 50 years from now, there can be a concrete plant there.
[2:16:01] So, I think it's important to keep that in mind as well.
[2:16:05] And, you know, I think the other part of it too is that, you know, this property is currently being paying taxes on this, you know, special use district in terms of being a part of the tank farm district.
[2:16:18] That tax is roughly $22,000 a year, but is going towards the seven acres of that terminal.
[2:16:25] As was mentioned by the Finance Manager, some of that excess money wasn't used and it's being able to go towards sidewalks.
[2:16:31] One of the reasons why I do believe that it should be in the tank farm district is that I'm not opposed to continuing to pay that.
[2:16:37] I think that if this property is considered a part of the Buford Highway Cultural Quarter, then we're not having semi trucks driving by.
[2:16:45] I don't know why that tax wouldn't need to continue, so it's kind of, and I think that's part of this whole thing, is that if this property was in the tank farm district, M1 is the preferred zoning.
[2:16:56] So a lot of this complexity all stems from the fact that, and the comprehensive plan as it was written before, the terminal was also part of T5, so the fact that the terminal is now being recognized as a part of the tank farm district.
[2:17:12] I don't understand why the property next door wouldn't also be recognized in it, so that's I guess part of that
[2:17:20] So again, at least my next question was for Austin if we change to OW. Does it take it out the SSD?
[2:17:27] No, not immediately. Okay, but I mean just to the intent of the SSD was you know all the
[2:17:35] So the properties that were included were the ones that were generating?
[2:17:39] No, it's fine.
[2:17:39] The reason I ask is because there were some properties back on Winner's Chapel that were
[2:17:43] not for the tank farms, but we included them in the SSD specifically because this properties
[2:17:48] can be converted to a tank farm if they were included with this factor into that as well.
[2:17:54] Because I know that was the main decision.
[2:17:56] I think the only one that got out, there was two properties.
[2:17:58] I know one was a glass manufacturer because the lot was too small and something else across
[2:18:03] that's right, where wood one meets winter chapel.
[2:18:07] Pinch all might know when he comes up, but is, yeah,
[2:18:11] so would it stay in, because it still could be part
[2:18:14] of a tank farm if it converted back, or does OW cancel that?
[2:18:18] I don't think the zoning has anything to do with it.
[2:18:21] Okay.
[2:18:23] Decision that we've done.
[2:18:25] Okay.
[2:18:27] Yeah, no, I understand.
[2:18:28] Um, all right, that's all I got.
[2:18:31] I guess next, Council Member Nasser, let's go.
[2:18:39] I don't have much question on the question is, so I'm trying to figure that so it is going
[2:18:44] to be aligned with our comprehensive plan.
[2:18:49] In the current plan, neither in one or OW are contemplated in the upcoming one in the
[2:18:58] You've heard how in character area, OW, one of the zoning that is recommended or allowed if the conditions are appropriate.
[2:19:07] So, for example, if it's an old warehouse building, there's more considerations for that in the new one than there were in the old one.
[2:19:15] But M1 is not in that scope.
[2:19:18] So also going back the fence line, and I'm sorry, the question, the fence, you'll be
[2:19:28] willing to put that fence line, so it's not going to be kind of seen from the street.
[2:19:36] Like basically that fence line I'm talking about, that's what you're willing to do.
[2:19:39] Yeah.
[2:19:40] What about the, are you helping us do any sidewalk work or that's something that's still?
[2:19:45] is still.
[2:19:47] Austin, do you want to answer that on the sidewalk piece?
[2:19:54] So, as it stands right now, the sidewalk project
[2:19:57] my understanding is being federally funded,
[2:19:58] and it was already it.
[2:20:03] So the plan is that that would become from that. The idea is that the sidewall or the fence that's there currently is rusted, it looks terrible. There's barbed wire on top and it's only about six feet tall, maybe. So the idea is what we would do is we would replace that fence and then, you know, install the city preferred method of fence of the vinyl code of black chain link chain link ends with the privacy slats.
[2:20:27] And so this is exactly what we would do in terms of on this property, for a couple of reasons one, is that I think it looks good.
[2:20:38] I think it looks much better than what's there now.
[2:20:40] And I think part of what I want to do, my goal is not to be just another one of the thousand businesses in Dorville.
[2:20:47] That's not the goal.
[2:20:48] And I think that everything that I've done through this whole process in terms of conversating with Austin, with Albert, reaching out to all of you all that are up here.
[2:20:54] I think I've tried to make that very clear that I'm not just looking for the minimum.
[2:20:59] So the minimum would be to put the fence up, not do the public art, not do the trees,
[2:21:03] not do the benches or the landscaping below it as well.
[2:21:09] The reason I was saying I have seen City of Chambley, a friend of mine opened up a business over next to the Chambley, a farmer's market.
[2:21:15] and City made them do a whole sidewalk.
[2:21:20] But I don't know, was it 24, was the length of the new-
[2:21:26] The front of the frontage of the property?
[2:21:29] Right, it's 200 feet across.
[2:21:32] City made him do the sidewalk before they proved anything.
[2:21:37] So that's in my mind, say, well, since you are doing a lot of improvements to the property,
[2:21:45] Can't need to be part of it on your portion, so at least sit down and have touch it.
[2:21:51] Yeah, I think that's a really fair question.
[2:21:53] I think in full transparency, I mean, we're not that big of a company.
[2:21:58] And this is a pretty big property.
[2:22:00] This is kind of a stretch in terms of for us to be able to purchase a property like this.
[2:22:04] If it wasn't for all of the surrounding areas, right next to the terminal,
[2:22:09] the railroad tracks behind it, the pipeline, we wouldn't be able to afford the property.
[2:22:12] So, us being in a position where we're already going to have to put roughly $2 million in just to get the building to where we can operate out of we're kind of running out of money to be able to actually run an effective business.
[2:22:26] The frontage right here to put in perspective that alone is roughly $50,000.
[2:22:31] And that's on the low end with us being hopefully being able to use some of the existing posts that are in the fence right now.
[2:22:37] So it's not so much, it's more a matter of, you know, that, you know, and keep in mind, too, this isn't a normal sidewalk either.
[2:22:49] The plan calls for a 12-foot multimodal sidewalk that also has.
[2:22:54] So that's part of it, too. You know, this was a standard sidewalk, and that was part of my original plan was to put a sidewalk in the front.
[2:23:01] but this is a massive sidewalk, this is the exact same type that's in front of the current downtown center right now, what's being built.
[2:23:11] Thank you, that's all my question.
[2:23:15] Thank you, Council Member Nasser.
[2:23:17] And to his point, Austin, if they were required to do a sidewalk, could all get torn up for the plan that's coming down, new peat tree, correct?
[2:23:26] Correct, and then the multi-use path that we're working on right now is actually taking one of the lanes of new peach tree road
[2:23:34] So yeah, it really wouldn't make sense for just one property to build it
[2:23:39] In other words, he'd be throwing money away
[2:23:42] Yes, what that is because we do have a plan
[2:23:45] Naomi came up with that and she started it right and we went through and we're in engineering now and it's like next year
[2:23:53] You're going to start because we got funded.
[2:23:55] I wish.
[2:23:56] Two years.
[2:23:57] I wish.
[2:23:57] The process is long and it's been delayed since we are overlapping with the top end project.
[2:24:03] We have to do a lot more practice.
[2:24:06] Just to answer.
[2:24:09] Thank you.
[2:24:10] Thank you because I have seen I have about two or three of my friends who had a business on before highway,
[2:24:15] which is City of Shamley made them do the sidewalk first before they do any other improvements.
[2:24:20] and they did not even give them any permit until they agreed to it.
[2:24:25] And only their partial of that property, they had to build a sidewalk by the rest of it just sitting, doing nothing.
[2:24:33] That's why I just asked, but thank you.
[2:24:37] Councilmember Evans.
[2:24:39] Thank you, Mayor Proton.
[2:24:40] And thank you all for being here.
[2:24:43] No, I have to agree with staff.
[2:24:45] I think following our comprehensive plan with the long-term plans that we've
[2:24:49] drawn out in what the future holds for that area. I still think it will be a
[2:24:54] tank form but would love to have a business like you all in that space so we can
[2:24:58] and make it work with thinness.
[2:25:00] The zoning change that we can kind of with the mayor suggested regarding some tax amendments, I think, would be the best approach. And really meeting a future characteristics of what that area should be. Just really against doing like spot zoning, because it really opens the doors for other businesses. And again, it was mentioned earlier, like, favorable treatment. And I don't want to set that president. And I have safety concerns more than anything being so close to the tank form.
[2:25:29] And yes, it's a pedestrian area in the future, but I personally don't want people hanging around there
[2:25:35] I just think that's what the best to keep it locked down as much as possible and just more of a pass-through area
[2:25:41] So but to have businesses back there coming and going that's perfect for it
[2:25:47] But the use long term to match our comp plan will be my preference
[2:25:51] If I had a question it would be related to the space as you mentioned
[2:25:55] Are you planning to be the only business in that building?
[2:26:04] No, so the plan is eventually yes, the plan would be to be the only operator out of the business.
[2:26:13] But this is a 34,000 square foot building.
[2:26:16] We're currently operating out of 14,000 square feet.
[2:26:20] So obviously this is kind of a lot more building than we have right now.
[2:26:23] And also, the economics of us being able to financially support a building like this as well as the renovations that would be necessary to be able to even get a CO.
[2:26:33] The only way to be able to do that is to sub-lease part of the building, and so that would be the plan as we expand, we then extend into those other suites to eventually be the sole operator out of the building.
[2:26:50] You already have plans for those types of businesses of what they would be, and that they're an agreement with the zoning type and etc, like fitting the narrative of what's going to be here.
[2:27:02] Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, I have not spent any time in terms of trying to solicit, you know, subtenants.
[2:27:07] I think part of it was, I mean, I'm roughly 10 months into this journey, I've spent $150,000 that I would never get back in terms of on.
[2:27:20] environmental inspections, property inspections, legal fees, so forth, it's kind of like, I was the crazy one that continued on to this process, which is why I thought I would never even get to this point.
[2:27:29] There was so many opportunities for it to get shot down.
[2:27:31] And so, no, I have not thought about that at all.
[2:27:36] I have thought about what I would look for in terms of end one of those tenants.
[2:27:42] And I think part of it is that obviously that tenant has to be a part of the same zoning that we have.
[2:27:47] So if we're zone for M1 and that tenant also has to be zone for M1, you know, I've thought likely contractor service office warehouse or distribution, you know, really the idea that was that we're going to be there.
[2:27:58] So we want a good neighbor, we want another good business that's going to be next door. This isn't an investment property for us. This is like we're looking for a home.
[2:28:07] And so, you know, it's kind of like renting out a room of your house, but you're still living in the house.
[2:28:11] So, the idea is that all these harsh industrial uses that we think of, you know, potentially
[2:28:18] think of M1, we don't want that either, we don't want those next door either.
[2:28:22] So I think, you know, in terms of the hazards that you've expressed as well, that's something
[2:28:30] that we've studied up on in terms of what caused those fires, the fires that took place
[2:28:37] in 1972 and you know through the research of that both with me and with Rick you know
[2:28:43] with Kinder Morgan that knows a lot more about terminals than I do what calls those
[2:28:47] fires were mistakes of the terminal itself and not what was next door to it.
[2:28:51] So I think that the that's part of the reason why I feel confident as well that you know we're
[2:28:57] not going to be a part of the problem we want to be a part of the solution.
[2:29:00] And I think one of the tech amendments will address the storage based on that I guess limited
[2:29:05] in the vehicles, for example, outside storage?
[2:29:09] Are you all amendable to that if it's OW?
[2:29:11] I would prefer not to do OW with an amendable, with language there,
[2:29:17] because I don't necessarily know exactly what that would entail.
[2:29:22] And what we would be permitted and not permitted, it's kind of coming out of
[2:29:27] the left field in terms of not something that was discussed.
[2:29:30] You know, in terms of in the planning commission meeting, when I sat down with
[2:29:33] Austin and Albert, I asked both of them.
[2:29:36] I even asked in the last meeting if there was a way to work with OW and Albert said that there wasn't.
[2:29:42] So I guess it's kind of hard for me to be open to something that was not a part of the conversation at all of this whole process.
[2:29:49] My goal is to, I don't want to be adversarial to what the city's trying to do, or what staff's trying to do.
[2:29:56] And that's part of why I met with them was kind of like, how can we come together?
[2:29:59] Alright.
[2:30:00] I think ultimately we all want the same thing in terms of for that corridor to become more walkable and become something other than just the back of Beavert Highway. That's what that corridor is right now. There's not a single bit of private investment along the entire strip of new piece here right now. On the north side of it, you've got Marta that owns most of that land, the only other landowner is Kinder Morgan. We would be the first privately owned owner of land between Oakcliffe and 285. Is that correct, Austin?
[2:30:32] So I want to actually regarding that so the conversation on limited storage limited vehicles what does that look like if that's a tax amendment? Is there a potential proposal on that if it's OW?
[2:30:45] Yeah, I mean if we're doing a tax amendment, I mean there's a lot of things on the table if this is the kind of this is the kind of use or the, you know, the use of a property that councils okay with, you know, having
[2:30:59] Leap vehicles and, you know, maybe some screened outdoor storage and stuff like that, you know, that's something that we could incorporate into that.
[2:31:07] Yeah, most of these are just a couple of cents.
[2:31:09] It sounds easy enough.
[2:31:10] I just want to make sure we bring it back for a first read.
[2:31:15] We'll see if I got you.
[2:31:16] Well, yeah, I think screening would be helpful as well.
[2:31:18] It seems like you're all OK with that.
[2:31:20] And what I didn't see here was signage.
[2:31:22] I'm a big fan of signage.
[2:31:25] So having a wise guy sign and letting
[2:31:26] you know that your business is there would be great.
[2:31:29] So if you're open to that as well.
[2:31:30] I would love it.
[2:31:31] I mean, there's a sign right there.
[2:31:33] The old little lollipop signs not looking too good
[2:31:35] right now. You know, I think, uh, you know, yeah, I'd love to have a sign, you know, that
[2:31:40] would be out front, um, you know, of the property, uh, for sure. Yeah, I think that would be
[2:31:46] good.
[2:31:46] Great. Those are the only questions. Thank you. Thank you.
[2:31:50] Cancel one more thing started on your question. Um, you know, something that I mentioned earlier
[2:31:55] is that we're, uh, kind of running out of time when it comes to this, uh, project.
[2:32:03] What I
[2:32:04] submit for a permit in two weeks is the hope that by the end of this month, we'd be able to submit for a permit.
[2:32:09] We already have an architect that's drafting all the drawings.
[2:32:11] We should be turning it over to MEP in a couple days.
[2:32:15] And so if there's any way that we can, if the council feels that they have the information to make a decision on this.
[2:32:23] I ask that if we can, that'd be great.
[2:32:25] Obviously if the council feels that more information is needed, I understand.
[2:32:29] but the challenge for us is that our lease at our current space is coming up soon.
[2:32:34] And there's going to take multiple months for us to the renovations that are needed to move in.
[2:32:38] And the challenge is that we're right in the middle of the holiday season as well,
[2:32:42] what's coming up in terms of with Thanksgiving and Christmas and so forth.
[2:32:45] That we need about 12 weeks minimum to be able to do what we need to do.
[2:32:50] And so, you know, that's the other part of part, that's the other reason of part of why
[2:32:57] I'm not as excited about doing a tax amendment as it adds more time to the process, you know,
[2:33:03] and yeah.
[2:33:05] And this is the first read, so if we don't weigh first read, you're at least waiting 30
[2:33:10] days right there, so Council Member Ray.
[2:33:16] Yeah, thank you.
[2:33:18] I think first I'll start with Austin.
[2:33:21] So with O&W, if I'm reading the use table, right, it doesn't permit this type of business
[2:33:26] because they need the outside storage for their trucks, right?
[2:33:29] I mean, that would be the textbook that we're talking about.
[2:33:32] Okay.
[2:33:33] There's a couple of different uses like contractors with storage
[2:33:35] and stuff like that that are in the table currently
[2:33:37] that, you know, we could make permitted
[2:33:39] and then tinker with the language on vehicles
[2:33:42] and storage and things like that.
[2:33:45] Just, you know, based on the conversation
[2:33:47] that we've had tonight.
[2:33:49] Yeah.
[2:33:49] But that would be the things that would be included in that.
[2:33:52] Okay.
[2:33:52] And then when it comes to M1, West mentioned a lot of the heavier uses require conditional use permits, but what are the uses in M1 kind of by right that you would be concerned with, especially considering the long term plans of this being a pedestrian area?
[2:34:13] Yeah, well, I think I printed some of these out.
[2:34:28] I think it's page 20, are you screens working?
[2:34:34] It was page 20 in the staff report just for future.
[2:34:37] So black smithing for some reason is permitted by right.
[2:34:44] A lot of these are carried over from old versions of the code.
[2:34:47] So it just has a gun smithing plumbing
[2:34:53] shops, pest control, tree cutting service, textile manufacturing plant.
[2:35:01] All in storage facilities. I guess that one's kind of a warehouse thing, too.
[2:35:07] Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't want to go through the whole list. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I see. So I see passenger terminal. Is that, is that like a bus service? Yeah. Best Depot.
[2:35:20] Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
[2:35:27] Yeah. Okay. I might have more questions for you all, but that's it for now. Next question.
[2:35:32] And then just one for kindergarten Morgan.
[2:35:35] So they are selling the property to you, correct, Wes?
[2:35:39] So I'm just curious, why does kindergarten care, what it gets re-zoned to if they're selling the property?
[2:35:46] What future plans do they have if they're selling it, why does it matter what can go there?
[2:35:51] The
[2:35:54] alignment of the sail also gives a lot of control to the flight.
[2:35:59] Arpeggio is currently in the tank district by keeping it in the tank.
[2:36:03] The plane can buzz in the tank and not put it in the
[2:36:11] tank.
[2:36:12] So we feel that keeping it in the tank corridor with the pipe lines
[2:36:17] as well as in the close-priced proximity as west of the engine at the end.
[2:36:23] Our
[2:36:26] goal as well is to have a good 10th next to us as mentioned as
[2:36:33] well as the zone for the deep
[2:36:35] restrictions that we have in the property area. So we feel it's the best use for you, for us,
[2:36:41] and for the prospective buyer to have a number one.
[2:36:45] Okay, thank you.
[2:36:46] The property in the tank district.
[2:36:49] Yep, okay, thank you.
[2:36:53] The last question, I think, or the last couple for Wes here.
[2:36:58] So, I understand you're in a hurry.
[2:37:00] I will say outright, I'm in favor of this use case.
[2:37:03] I think we're, Owen W's probably a little too restrictive
[2:37:06] if this is not allowed.
[2:37:08] I'm very happy you want to be in door, so I'm in favor of this use case.
[2:37:13] I obviously didn't get to go through this entire list either.
[2:37:16] I do have long-term concerns with having it M1 just by right.
[2:37:20] I understand that it is restricted, we're not going to build housing and stuff there, but bus depot if we have a multi-use path, and there's a bus depot there, that's very concerning, and I know your long-term plans are not to have that, but we can't control that, so those are my concerns.
[2:37:37] outside of that I know you would prefer to just get M1 and get moving on this and I understand that but if Austin and the team came back with the text amendments that allowed for your business and everything it does just by right and it's not a problem would you would you still be open to that and moving your business here.
[2:37:58] I mean, I think, you know, to answer your question about the bus terminal, there can't be a bus terminal there based on the deed restrictions.
[2:38:05] So part of the property is that on one hand, you've got the zoning restrictions piece, then you have the deed restrictions on the property itself, and there's a lot of them.
[2:38:14] I mean, like in the packet, just to correct that the passenger terminal is not highlighted as one that's prohibited by the deed.
[2:38:20] It's not, but kindergarten also didn't actually verify all the uses that were in the slideshow because that was the staff's report.
[2:38:27] So we they haven't had a chance to actually look to verify that that is actually it's a pretty long list
[2:38:32] So I think
[2:38:34] It's there's kind of some areas that are up in the air when it comes on the different uses there
[2:38:39] so I think
[2:38:41] It's not that I'm not it's not so much that I'm opposed to it. I mean ultimately if that's my only option
[2:38:47] I mean, I don't I think really, you know, that's kind of where we're at, you know, is that
[2:38:53] You know through this whole process all I've tried to do is be transparent
[2:38:56] You know, I've kind of sought, you know, y'all's opinions of like, how can I make this, you know, work, you know reaching out to Albert and also multiple times. I think it's kind of like, uh,
[2:39:07] So I mean, yeah, like if that's the only option, then I don't see, you know, why, um, if there's a path there, I guess where it gets a little bit muddy to me is like, what's the point of even like in one zoning, if you look at the list right here, I've got in front of me, there's not much here that's really all that scary.
[2:39:24] Like you're talking about, and again, it goes to the conditional use permits where there's
[2:39:30] almost an entire page of conditional use permits when it comes to M1.
[2:39:35] If we look at the page where it's by right, you're talking about like swimming pool sales
[2:39:40] and service, appliance repair, I think there's this misconception that M1 is, there's a significant
[2:39:47] gap between M2 and M1.
[2:39:48] And so, if there was text language in terms of with OW, then at that point, they're very similar.
[2:39:58] And it's kind of like a...
[2:40:00] That point, it's almost like, do you make even more of a change? It's almost like why you have both of them. It's kind of how I see it when it comes to that. So, I'm, again, I, you know, I'm in favor of what the city is trying to accomplish with the pastry, you know, view for highway cultural corridor, whether we are a part of that corridor in terms of officially or unofficially either way, the property borders on it. I think that, you know, when you look at an OW use case, you know, there's a lot,
[2:40:28] that the property, one of the things that we want to do is remove semi-trucks from the roads,
[2:40:35] tankers and semi-trucks. Right now there's semi-trucks, there's tankers that are driving in and out
[2:40:39] of that property constantly. And so, by, if we convert this to M1 and you take it basically out of the
[2:40:45] hands of, of Kinder Morgan in terms of being able to operate, you know, oil out of it, you're essentially
[2:40:50] eliminating kind of the harshest use of what could happen there. And so, you know, and I know that,
[2:40:55] But one of the big things in terms of like for you personally is the walkability of the quarter and the bikeability of the quarter is really important.
[2:41:03] For one of the ways that we want to help with that is that right now there's two entrances that are directly onto new peace tree from the property.
[2:41:10] They're both open, tamper trucks are driving through both of them all day long.
[2:41:16] As circle K is the tenant over there right now that's parking trucks there.
[2:41:19] And so one of the things that we're proposing as well, that I didn't mention earlier, is that one of those entrances be used as an emergency only entrance.
[2:41:28] So basically what we would be doing is we would be shutting off one of those entrances to where there would only be one point of conflict in terms of vehicles and pedestrians.
[2:41:38] And so as a way to further reduce that.
[2:41:40] So I think when it comes to OW and a lot of the uses require a lot of semi trucks coming in and out in terms of to load up the warehouse and so forth.
[2:41:51] When it comes to M1, I'm not saying that that can't happen there, but that is one of the benefits of M1 is that a lot of the uses are not driving as many of the large trucks.
[2:42:05] Yes. Okay. Thank you for that. I think what I'll say, if one, I really like the road
[2:42:12] frontage improvements, I think whatever happens that needs to happen, just to, especially
[2:42:16] considering that multi-use path, I agree that we need to handle the multi-use path ourselves
[2:42:22] given the scope of that project. At the moment, if I'm being honest with you, I could go either
[2:42:29] other way, M1 or OW, and my problem with that is just looking through this list of by-right,
[2:42:34] not even the conditional use ones.
[2:42:35] There's a textile manufacturing plant and the passenger terminal, and there's enough
[2:42:41] things, and to your point, it wasn't verified by Ken and Morgan's lawyers either on the deeds.
[2:42:46] But without that, I just don't feel I have enough information to make a recommendation to
[2:42:51] M1, because I need to understand that if you decide to sell the property at some point, and it
[2:42:56] is in one what it could possibly go there that affects our pedestrian's all in those roads.
[2:43:01] The long-term goal is across the street to have multi-use housing and apartments and
[2:43:06] things like that.
[2:43:07] So I think there's just a risk there right now that I have an unknown entity.
[2:43:12] I don't know what's allowed there by the deed, so I would want to know, I would want to have
[2:43:17] that fleshed out before I could recommend in one.
[2:43:19] I'm not saying I'm fully against it, but if the goal would be to waive first read today,
[2:43:25] I would have to go OWU with the ask that we find a way to make it work for you.
[2:43:31] If you really want M1 and I'm not guaranteeing I would go that way, but I need to better
[2:43:35] understand what could possibly go there in the event who decided to sell the property because
[2:43:39] I think it could have an adverse effect long term.
[2:43:41] So that's where I'm at.
[2:43:42] I do feel you've been very transparent and I want to say thank you for that.
[2:43:45] Thank you for being engaged and wanting to invest and all of that.
[2:43:48] So I want to be clear, I'm very much in favor of this use case and you bringing your business
[2:43:53] here.
[2:43:53] but there's just some unknowns for me.
[2:43:55] Thank you.
[2:43:57] Thank you.
[2:43:59] Councilmember Henshaw?
[2:44:00] Last at least.
[2:44:01] Okay.
[2:44:04] Let's see.
[2:44:05] I'm gonna try to fix this so that we can move you forward
[2:44:07] because I understand the angst that you're having
[2:44:08] and it's frustrating.
[2:44:12] Obviously you can, I believe you can do a permit concurrent
[2:44:16] with rezoning, is that correct, Austin?
[2:44:18] Just nod.
[2:44:18] Can you ask, can you apply for a building permit
[2:44:21] while a property is being rezoned?
[2:44:23] Okay, so that would, it's working.
[2:44:35] I don't know what's going on.
[2:44:36] So it's just, I've taken over from you, Austin,
[2:44:40] the microphone's not liking me.
[2:44:41] So in theory, you can still apply for your permits
[2:44:44] while it's going through a rezoning,
[2:44:45] which is not the easiest thing to do,
[2:44:47] but it is possible.
[2:44:51] I have no problem, I'll touch on that in a minute.
[2:44:53] So I don't mind actually removing this from the SSD
[2:44:56] if it's not being used as the SSD business.
[2:45:00] Do you have any need for truck washing? I mean, no, no. So you pressure wash stuff, so you want clean trucks, but I don't know what truck. Yeah, and I think that's part of the, you know, the balancing act when it comes to this whole thing, right? I've never done this before. And so, you know, when someone asked me, how do we plan on using the space? I took hours to think of every possible way that we would use the space. And so one of the ways that we would use this space is for every once in a while we would wash a truck. So I put that on there. It's not like we're fleet washing. And so empty cement trucks out.
[2:45:29] But I know, and I think and so, you know, and Albert can invest to this, I don't know that, you know, Austin was a part of it, but I submitted my first, you know, business use list.
[2:45:40] It was pretty long, super long, right?
[2:45:42] And like, I don't know that Albert's ever seen a list that long if I'm being honest, because he said, you know, you can send an email and I sent him over a PDF, like a three or four page PDF of like every possible thing that we would do.
[2:45:52] And so that was kind of one of the things that came from that is that no, we are not like every day washing trucks or you know having customers come to wash trucks, it was, yeah.
[2:46:05] Is there any, and this might be a kindergarten question, are you maintaining any easements on the site on the left side of the site for access to the tanks?
[2:46:14] Yes.
[2:46:15] So there are some easements that are going to go into place so that second driveway needs to stay from an access standpoint, okay? That's clear.
[2:46:25] To touch on why I'm not, and I'm rarely don't agree with Joseph, but tweaking our OW, the whole point of the OW was it does act as a buffer between residential.
[2:46:37] And so if we start to increase the allowable uses of storage within OW, and I think back
[2:46:46] to the case where we denied a CUP for a guy who was putting auger helical peers in
[2:46:54] the ground, and it seemed like a great use for the site until we discovered that he starts
[2:46:58] moving helical peers at six o'clock in the morning.
[2:47:00] He's in the backyard of single-family residences and those helical peers are 15, 20 feet long and they're made out of metal and they clang terribly when the stiff breeze comes along.
[2:47:12] So the whole point of the OW is to not allow outdoor storage specifically to prevent that.
[2:47:19] And I don't want to, I don't know, we have a noise ordinance that's supposed to help override that.
[2:47:23] But what I don't want to do is open up an unintentional can of worms.
[2:47:29] for all of the OW properties in the city, and I think we can probably close off some of the problematic things that we have an issue with on this property, some of the things that are allowed by right and I wrote down a couple of the tailor touched on.
[2:47:42] So to me, I think, and I also agree that the character of this site should probably be more OW or more even T5, but we don't allow residential properties within a thousand feet of a tank.
[2:47:55] So even the properties of the cross, the street can never go multi-family, single-family or any family whatsoever
[2:48:01] Unless somebody decides to squat and building because we don't allow that so
[2:48:05] Even though the character area is defined as T5 across the street that can never include
[2:48:11] residential housing. So
[2:48:13] In this particular instance, I personally feel that the M1 is fine as long as we do restrict a couple of the things
[2:48:21] I will caution you you know as you move forward and you'll discover this
[2:48:24] I did a building recently that was used for automotive part storage, and they had to put in pop-up flood barriers and massively expensive commercial sprinklers, we had to run a separate 400 amp service to run the sprinkler pumps, I mean it was a nightmare for them, so not that your facility would use that, but potential other partners that you might be bringing in might require these very heavy sprinkler systems and these other protection things, which you wouldn't want to do as a landlord.
[2:48:53] So, I think that'll also limit what he can do in there.
[2:48:57] Personally, I'm in favor of approving it for an M1 zoning, but
[2:49:00] removing, but putting conditions on it that remove automotive services and
[2:49:05] repair, electronics, manufacture, and assembly, passenger, terminal, textile, manufacturing, and electricity generation.
[2:49:11] Those are the five sort of most egregious things that I can see on the list that was allowed by right.
[2:49:15] Obviously, the CUP stuff, we can approach that, it's already, it's already in there, and
[2:49:19] So maybe we need to look at maybe removing some of those by right and putting that into
[2:49:23] the CUP and maybe that does make M1 even more like an M1 light or an M.5 as opposed to
[2:49:29] up here M1, but yeah, I don't really see much of an issue other than noise being the
[2:49:39] issue if we rework our OW zoning.
[2:49:42] So I would rather sort of rework our M1 zoning to be a little bit more hospitable or a little
[2:49:50] less hospitable to bigger businesses and then allow our M2 to really be the sort of the wild west of that.
[2:49:57] Do you have proposed business hours, not that it's-
[2:50:00] That's an issue here because you don't have any residential, but I'm assuming you're not working at three o'clock in the morning. No, so the way that our business operates right now is that most of our technicians will all of our technicians arrive by 6'45 in the morning. The idea, the hope is that they're in the office for 15 minutes. They park their car, they come inside, they check their equipment, they leave. So all the trucks would be out ideally by 7 a.m. And then during the day, like our office staff would come in, you know, eight staggered, eight, nine, ten, et cetera.
[2:50:29] And so then at the end of the day when the technicians finish their route, they start making their way back to the office.
[2:50:34] So we don't have like a hard time of like everyone comes back at five o'clock, you know, it can be, you know, three forty five was the first truck back today, but there still were multiple trucks still not back when I left there to come here, you know, at five forty five.
[2:50:48] So in terms of noise, we're not going to be producing noise.
[2:50:54] We're not firing up machines, you know, not, yes, it's kind of like a pressure washers.
[2:51:00] Yeah, yeah, like we're, yeah, we're not firing those things up in the morning and so in
[2:51:05] terms of from a traffic standpoint, that's one of the benefits of our use as well as that
[2:51:10] we're almost out of there before a lot of the residents are actually driving to work.
[2:51:16] I mean, I personally wouldn't want to see this business in an OW in one of our existing neighborhoods because of the noise and the fleets, and I know we do have to stand with steamer and a couple of others that come in and they use our gas stations, you know, it's great.
[2:51:31] But again, tweaking it for outdoor storage just makes it a little bit more challenging.
[2:51:37] You see, there's anything else on my list. We need packets that I can actually have lines so I can write on.
[2:51:46] from
[2:51:49] a time standpoint, the permitting process is probably a month, and then a rezoning,
[2:51:59] you know, if it doesn't go through today, it would be a month. So, you know, in theory,
[2:52:04] you could get them both then concurrently, but you don't want to go through permitting,
[2:52:07] not knowing if you could be able to build a business.
[2:52:09] Part of the challenge with that is, I mean, I think part of the challenge with that,
[2:52:14] Not no offense to Kendra Morgan, but I mean, we're dealing with a massive company.
[2:52:19] I mean, part of the reason why I didn't think that we would ever get to this point.
[2:52:22] Again, not Rick, Rick's great, but things take a long time.
[2:52:26] And so that would be my concern to that, is that we would need Kendra,
[2:52:34] my understanding is that we would need the current owner to essentially sign off on the plans, is that right?
[2:52:40] Is that right, Austin?
[2:52:41] of the building yeah of the building and that's where I think that would be a little bit challenging do you want to speak to that
[2:52:59] Understood I mean I'm done with my questions. I'll happily make a motion, but we get we got some more but I think kindergarten Morgan slow he welcome to the city, so
[2:53:12] Before I go to you to I just I had a question for Cecil
[2:53:17] Just a question, and now my idea of switching it back to M1 to T5 is sounding a little better.
[2:53:25] Cecil, is there a way, I think it's no, but I got to ask you, that you can put a zoning stipulation
[2:53:33] of the business usage changes or the lot cells in the future. It sounds like you keep, I don't know.
[2:53:40] That just sounds like a future condition of a change.
[2:53:45] Yeah, that sounds like an overreach on government, but I was like, I got to ask it.
[2:53:49] Is that allowed?
[2:53:51] It seems like that would be a zoning took place today, but suddenly we did some zoning out.
[2:53:58] It's sort of like what I was talking about in the first place going to M1,
[2:54:01] then right down the road, changing it back to T5.
[2:54:04] It's sort of the same concept, I guess, right?
[2:54:07] No, no, I'm saying, if you just put a stipulation.
[2:54:10] preferred. Yeah. You know, just in listening to the entire conversation.
[2:54:18] You know, it depends
[2:54:19] on what you want to do. The young one with conditions, there's probably a path to get
[2:54:26] there. I'm going to listen. It's probably a path to get there on the OW, if you could use
[2:54:32] a conditional use permit on the OW, but I have to talk to some sort of added conditional
[2:54:38] use permanent W that would let you put some conditions on it. You have limited
[2:54:44] outside storage and you could tailor it into each, into each situation because
[2:54:51] you're trying to make that step. So without a tax amendment you can do a
[2:54:56] condition. I mean as I'm here in this unless you want to take a flyer
[2:55:00] We're just saying it's in one and we're sort of going to work it out right here. You would probably want to do a text amendment to that effect. I mean, we have pre-pre-reviewed plans and, you know, we could sort of pre-reviewed plans that would be sitting on go at the time that the actual sale took place. We've pre-reviewed plans in the past. So the time sale took place, you would be the owner. You would apply and we would have already pretty much said Gabby's are all good to go.
[2:55:29] That's fine.
[2:55:30] Those things, would you agree with that?
[2:55:32] So there are some ways we could accommodate.
[2:55:34] Because to Council Member Hinchall's point, there was that business over there behind
[2:55:39] near the church on the other side of P.I.B. that wanted outdoor storage and it was O.W.
[2:55:46] It was zoned like that and they wanted M1, it was exactly what it was, it was, so, yeah.
[2:55:54] But the whole reason the screens didn't work there is because there was residents up above
[2:55:58] on a hill looking down, and then that's it.
[2:56:01] So you could do the M1 or go ahead and jump out on the idea that you, you know, the
[2:56:09] text amendment could be OW allows a use permit to go with it to deal with outside's
[2:56:15] origin associated conditions.
[2:56:17] For instance, that one knowing that you had this, you might help with the buffer or something
[2:56:22] like that.
[2:56:24] There's a way to get there with a text amendment either through M1 or OW and there's probably
[2:56:33] an accommodation we could do to which it would not be something we would be doing.
[2:56:38] We've done it in the past to assist someone on a plan review so at the point that the closing
[2:56:44] and took place, it would have been pretty reviewed
[2:56:46] and pretty much the term.
[2:56:49] All right, thank you.
[2:56:52] Can someone remember Ray?
[2:56:53] Well, everyone's got a few extra questions.
[2:56:55] Can someone remember Ray, you first?
[2:56:56] Yeah, yeah.
[2:56:57] So I actually agree with Councilmember Hinchaw.
[2:57:01] I like, I think that's a much more efficient way
[2:57:03] of going about what I was trying to get to
[2:57:04] is eliminating some of these concerning uses.
[2:57:07] So Cecil, can, would we, if we wanted to go in one route,
[2:57:11] Could we put those conditions, like the BM-1, but it cannot be basically what Chris listed, or alternatively, could we do M-1 and then next month bringing a text amendment forward that changes some of those uses we're concerned about to conditional use permits long term and then it's just limits it that way.
[2:57:35] I'm listening to this and I'm going to try to accommodate the timeline.
[2:57:40] There are ways we could try to accommodate the timeline.
[2:57:43] If the idea is you want to put it this, I would basically say
[2:57:52] workbook and current and
[2:57:55] try to work with the plans to accelerate that process, but I would just give it Austin and
[2:58:01] And in the applicant, I think we're going to say let's all get together and make the
[2:58:09] best route, whether it's in, it's going to be a text amendment, whether it's a text
[2:58:14] amendment to OW, which allows for a, there's a use permit category that you sort of, we would
[2:58:19] make sure that it wasn't going to hurt the neighbors all through a use permit process, or if the
[2:58:31] So you're seeing more conditional use permit
[2:58:34] for pressure-washing company on OW as opposed to?
[2:58:37] I mean, the big ones always have on OW is everybody
[2:58:40] that wants to ask where it wants to their house,
[2:58:42] what's the trust, right?
[2:58:44] Always do.
[2:58:45] But that can be problematic.
[2:58:46] So I mean, you could have it, and I'm familiar with it.
[2:58:50] This would be a conversation.
[2:58:51] But you could have an OW that we moved it to OW,
[2:58:57] but there's a use permit that's allowed that you could come in
[2:59:01] and say, yeah, you're going to be allowed to have outdoor storage as long as it's screened.
[2:59:05] It's in this location.
[2:59:06] You have this.
[2:59:06] You're allowed to have X number of trucks in this location, et cetera.
[2:59:10] And that would all be case by case on a use permit that was sort of the buffer between
[2:59:17] EOW, you know, you know, you're moving them down in the buffer would be to have a sort of flexible
[2:59:22] use permit that got put in case by case between the process of the process.
[2:59:28] I want more.
[2:59:29] Okay.
[2:59:29] You're still up.
[2:59:30] So, I'm open to that so that we're not changing something on the fly.
[2:59:36] My request then would be, so if we were to have approved this tonight, then they would
[2:59:39] have been kicking off the permitting process.
[2:59:41] I would assume we're getting close to doing that.
[2:59:43] Not approving it.
[2:59:45] Potentially if you do it in series, now cost them a full month and being able to move.
[2:59:49] If we can concurrently work like you said to look over the plans and have it ready to go so
[2:59:55] so that assuming we get to a viable solution here next month.
[3:00:00] It's effectively like they didn't have to wait that month, then that is my request to staff, because I don't want to hold this. I would like to find a way to approve this. I understand we don't want to make text amendments on the fly, though. So if we can do that in parallel, rather than in series, then I'm okay with it, but I just, I really don't want to cost them the opportunity, because I think it's a company that's looking to invest in Dorville, and I'm pretty excited about it. So that's my request to staff.
[3:00:23] There's a sort of a courtesy review of plans to get them sitting on go when the actual
[3:00:31] action takes place is not, that name on all the time, but it's also not unusual in
[3:00:37] any situation.
[3:00:40] Councilmember Evans.
[3:00:43] I guess questions are both here.
[3:00:46] The average number of gallons of water pressure wash solution is on each truck.
[3:00:51] Would you know that approximately?
[3:00:53] Which liquid do you want to know is three liquids on the truck?
[3:00:57] Oh, okay, just how much weight are we talking about?
[3:01:00] Each truck, each pickup truck weighs, I think, $7,500.
[3:01:06] Whatever the payload is on a Chevy Silverado single cab long bed,
[3:01:12] that's what the maximum gross vehicle rating of the truck can be,
[3:01:16] because we designed it accordingly.
[3:01:19] So, like, even if all the tanks were full, it would still be less than the gross vehicle
[3:01:24] rating on that, which those trucks do not need DOT stickers, because they're just there
[3:01:30] that.
[3:01:31] Yeah.
[3:01:31] Gotcha.
[3:01:32] And I love the idea to flesh out the Texan amendment, especially we don't want to miss
[3:01:39] anything.
[3:01:40] And I guess for you, Austin, is it worst case scenario, if going M1, like, what does that
[3:01:46] look like miss something within the tax amendment. If that makes sense,
[3:01:54] going in one was the worst
[3:01:56] case scenario going forward.
[3:02:02] Tonight or in general or I'm still not sure I understand the question.
[3:02:08] I mean you're talking about like removing uses because Cecil was saying as easy to get the other way
[3:02:14] with OW with the CUP. That's my preference. I just I know there's some thought about going in one and
[3:02:19] not prefer not to, but so I'm just trying to make sure we don't miss anything in the process.
[3:02:24] Yeah, I think that's it.
[3:02:27] You're going to miss it.
[3:02:28] I was in the second period.
[3:02:43] And this will still be a part of the SSD, based on location.
[3:02:48] Yes, okay.
[3:02:50] Understood.
[3:02:51] Thank you.
[3:02:52] Yeah, they say that's a whole nother conversation and that's has nothing to do with this.
[3:02:57] Council member Henshaw.
[3:03:00] Yeah.
[3:03:00] I mean, we made a comment, somebody made a comment earlier.
[3:03:02] It might have been, Joseph, that we've got, we don't want to provide special preference to a tenant.
[3:03:11] But I don't think we're not providing, we don't look at variances as providing special
[3:03:16] accommodations to an individual.
[3:03:17] We look at variances of applying special accommodations to a property because there's issues with property.
[3:03:23] And so I look at this as to being the same, you know, these are, it's a property that has special
[3:03:28] conditions, not a tenant that's asking for something unusual.
[3:03:31] No, that was my comment with switching it back.
[3:03:34] And Austin said no, the seat was like heck no.
[3:03:36] Oh yeah, no, I agree with that.
[3:03:37] But what I'm saying is I think that, you know, knowing
[3:03:41] that we want the character area to maintain, that to me is why I would be
[3:03:46] perfectly happy to have it as an M1 and then put some restrictions on it
[3:03:48] because the property is unique, not the tenant is unique.
[3:03:52] And if we're willing to do that, you know, that would be my sort of thought.
[3:03:55] But the other thought that I had in this business and you don't have to answer this question if you don't want but there's the timing of this effect any lending that you have and it is this.
[3:04:06] How does this decision weigh in on your lending?
[3:04:11] Yeah, so I think so right now we've already have the lending approved like we could close tomorrow.
[3:04:16] And so the longer this process goes, then we'll have to reapply for lending because we got approved.
[3:04:23] So we have five amendments now.
[3:04:27] Basically, we first went under contract in March.
[3:04:34] So we went under contract in March.
[3:04:36] And so like to put in perspective, we started this process so long ago that we had to do a new environmental test
[3:04:41] because the other environmental test was outside of the period of time.
[3:04:44] So essentially we would have to resort the financing component to do that as well as
[3:04:51] You know part of the challenge, you know is that ultimately like I'm a CEO of a small business that I need to like a lot of my time
[3:05:00] I'm energy is spent on this right now to put in perspective this weekend. I spent 20 hours on the floor plans of the building, literally just moving walls. And then, of course, the architect sends me on Monday, the as is drawings, and you see there's columns exactly where it had doors and have to redo it. So I think it's, I think it's, it definitely you start getting into the tear. So holiday lights is one of our big parts of our business is that we install holiday lights, like Christmas lights on people's houses.
[3:05:29] To put in perspective, we started installing those Christmas lights on people's houses last week.
[3:05:35] So one month from now, we are going to be in the peak holiday light season for
[3:05:41] our business, which represents 30% of our revenue we make in like an eight week period of time.
[3:05:48] So there's this challenge of me as an operator trying to run my business to be able to even afford the property.
[3:05:59] In terms of, from a lending standpoint, that's part of the balancing act is that I've kind of had to be not an absentee owner, but there's a lot of things that my company needs my attention on and that has kind of taken a backseat.
[3:06:16] And so we're coming into a season where if I can't really lock it in in terms of from our sales standpoint, hiring sales reps, hiring technicians that put in perspective, we need to double our staff in the next three weeks.
[3:06:29] in terms of technicians and sales.
[3:06:32] And make sure that all of our 30 trucks are converted over to holiday lives.
[3:06:36] And so, this continuing this process kind of takes the captain off the ship.
[3:06:42] And the challenge with this is that we need the money to be able to run the ship, basically.
[3:06:48] And so that's the, so yeah, and at the same time, part of the challenge when it comes
[3:06:54] of from a lending standpoint is that we, you know, we're still, because we, it took so long
[3:07:02] in terms of from an amendment standpoint with Kendra Morgan going back and forth and doing
[3:07:05] extensions. You know, we didn't start with the architectural drawings that long ago, and so we don't
[3:07:11] even have a general contractor lined up yet. And so that part of, that's part of the hold-up
[3:07:16] is getting a general contractor involved when they don't have certainty that this is actually even
[3:07:21] going to happen is part of the challenge because the only way for us to be able to do
[3:07:25] this is to roll the renovations into the mortgage, which requires a general contractor
[3:07:31] to actually put a budget together and then they have to go through the bank process and
[3:07:35] so forth. So yeah, so that's kind of the catch 22 when it comes to the process.
[3:07:41] One final comment, this is for Cecil. If we make a motion to wave first read and then it
[3:07:47] It doesn't get passed.
[3:07:48] It kills this project for how many months?
[3:07:52] If we wave first read and then put it up for a vote and then they can't come back next
[3:07:57] month.
[3:07:58] Why not?
[3:07:59] Can they?
[3:08:00] I thought if we denied a...
[3:08:01] Well, if you deny a zoning, but what all we be doing is not agreeing to pass it on the
[3:08:08] first read tonight.
[3:08:10] And we would come back.
[3:08:11] I mean, the reality is that if the instruction is figured out and figured out how to put it
[3:08:16] in the box. Then, you know, we can come back in next month, but that will be a high probability
[3:08:23] something that will satisfy the needs that I think we've heard.
[3:08:26] I just want to make sure we don't accidentally deny him as a chance to do that again next month.
[3:08:39] So, if we make a motion away for first three, and the first read is waived, and then we take a vote,
[3:08:46] We vote.
[3:08:49] Okay.
[3:08:53] Yeah, we're not we can't wave a motion first read the denial and he's out now. That's what they're saying. So
[3:09:00] Council member Nasser. Do you have any extra questions or comments?
[3:09:05] No, I don't have no extra comment, but but I'm trying to say actually one more thing which is I
[3:09:11] Do not want to wave first rate. I want to wait. That's why I was about to say
[3:09:18] So I was going to say does anyone is there a motion away first read and then he's going
[3:09:22] to say no.
[3:09:23] So there's.
[3:09:24] It takes a unanimous vote from council to wait first read so.
[3:09:28] Let me ask a quick.
[3:09:31] This preference would be that we have more than a W with a use.
[3:09:36] So.
[3:09:37] So.
[3:09:37] Could we.
[3:09:39] I would prefer OW with the CUP.
[3:09:41] I just think that makes the easiest in the most sense and.
[3:09:46] We've probably got these all over town and it gives you that fill in the blank and it won't be
[3:09:56] You're here, then fill in the blank, these are the criteria.
[3:10:00] We used to determine what buffers and contributions. I prefer OW with the Texan mainly, but no CUP, that can happen next month. Bye next one. Okay.
[3:10:15] So thank you.
[3:10:16] You got no way on this. Do what? You got a way on this. Sorry, I was talking with council member NASA about the motion away first. Sorry, what, what do I have to weigh in? You have to close out this.
[3:10:31] No, I know, but is that fine you don't want to wave first read or okay
[3:10:37] so
[3:10:39] No motion to wave first read this will come back up for a second reading next month with with direction for staff
[3:10:45] Can we
[3:10:50] put that in the packet ahead of this so that it's resolved ahead of time?
[3:10:59] Thank you, oh, all
[3:11:07] right two more cases for me
[3:11:09] Much less complicated hopefully
[3:11:11] So the first two more conditional use permits, the first conditional use permit is for an event hall at 5805 Beaufort Highway, sweet 18A.
[3:11:22] This is the Treasure Village Shopping Center and Ms. Gloria here is the business owner and the requested for an event space greater than 3,000 square feet in T5.
[3:11:34] The suite is about four, a little over 4,000 square feet.
[3:11:37] So here's the Treasure Village Shopping Center and aerial view of it with the star over
[3:11:40] the suite.
[3:11:41] You'll recall that a couple of years ago this was one larger suite that was subdivided
[3:11:45] in half.
[3:11:46] So Amigo BR is next door in one of the two suites that were created.
[3:11:50] This is the front of the building currently.
[3:11:52] So the space is about 4,000 square feet at the moment.
[3:11:56] You can see the manner of operation here on the slide.
[3:12:03] So the hours of operation and the employees and such, here's the draft of the floor plan
[3:12:08] That was submitted along with the application just kind of showing you what that
[3:12:12] This inside of the space could look like as well some photos of recent photos of what it looks like inside
[3:12:19] Staff are recommending approval
[3:12:21] Staff are recommending approval with conditions and these conditions are all conditions that we have attached to other event spaces
[3:12:27] Or recreation facilities or something like that in the past so no coin machines
[3:12:33] keep the front windows uncovered for transparency, any events just because this was mentioned in
[3:12:39] the application packet any events need to be approved or our special event permit that are
[3:12:43] outside of the facility and then that BYOB is not allowed also something that was mentioned in
[3:12:48] the application packet but it's something that is prohibited in our alcohol ordinance. So
[3:12:53] planning commission recommended approval with the conditions as written the applicant is here as
[3:12:58] Well, if you have any questions, but that's it for me.
[3:13:01] All right, so this is a first read,
[3:13:03] so we will open it up for public comment.
[3:13:06] Anyone in the chambers?
[3:13:08] No,
[3:13:13] I was going to do the applicant after that.
[3:13:16] Yeah.
[3:13:17] So anyone in the chambers that would like
[3:13:19] to come speak in favor of this CUP, please come to the podium
[3:13:27] and you have ten minutes.
[3:13:33] I don't see anyone, we'll go online, anyone online.
[3:13:39] Thank you, Albert, no one online.
[3:13:42] We will close in favor and go to anyone not in favor.
[3:13:47] Anyone in the chambers that would like to come up and speak not in favor of this.
[3:13:51] CUP, please come up to the podium and do not see anyone and anyone online.
[3:13:56] No one is online, so no, we'll close public comment and I would like to ask the applicant
[3:14:01] if they'd like to come up and speak, please come to the podium.
[3:14:10] Good evening.
[3:14:11] My name is Gloria.
[3:14:13] I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to have the second
[3:14:18] business running here in Duravi.
[3:14:21] I already have a business running the same plaza.
[3:14:25] And that's why now I see the opportunity to have a second business
[3:14:29] and appreciate you giving me the opportunity.
[3:14:33] Thank you.
[3:14:34] Thank you.
[3:14:36] And then we'll open it up for Council discussion.
[3:14:40] And we will start with Councilmember Hinchel.
[3:14:43] Thank you.
[3:14:45] Do you know if the tenant, I mean, there's photographs of it operating inside.
[3:14:49] Is the tenant been operating as an event hall without the CUP, not knowing that they didn't
[3:14:54] need to see people?
[3:14:55] There was a previous tenant in here that actually was the one that renovated the space.
[3:14:59] You
[3:15:01] So they never opened, but the intent was it for an event hall never opened, they never applied for CUP, but also never had a business permit.
[3:15:16] My only other question is it seems like the restrooms are inadequate for this use. You know, the plan's not easily understandable, but it seems it looked like the photographs were quite small. A space to this large would typically require six
[3:15:33] six to eight toilets for this size of an event hall.
[3:15:37] So I know that's not life safety, which is my utmost concern.
[3:15:41] And it seems like there's plenty of exits.
[3:15:43] So from that, it's code compliant, but I would just suggest looking.
[3:15:50] What's our process?
[3:15:51] Does the city have a process for looking at code compliance?
[3:15:54] It's based off building permits, not off CUPs, correct.
[3:15:58] So this space has already been built out under a previous building permit.
[3:16:03] But yes, the space was renovated under a building permit, three years ago, which I should
[3:16:11] hope is our.
[3:16:14] Yeah, and so I just, they don't, they won't have to get a building permit, and so they're
[3:16:20] going to be operating an event hall with subpar facilities per code that's irrelevant to
[3:16:29] the CUP process.
[3:16:30] So,
[3:16:33] I had no questions.
[3:16:35] Thank you.
[3:16:36] Councilmember Evans.
[3:16:38] Are you in queue?
[3:16:39] Do we have a limit on the number of event halls?
[3:16:42] Because I believe there's one in that shop and center
[3:16:44] and there's one next door.
[3:16:48] Come up to the podium, ma'am.
[3:16:53] Thank you for being here.
[3:16:54] Rico's even home.
[3:16:55] They're already closed doors.
[3:16:57] Oh, they closed?
[3:16:57] Yes.
[3:16:58] OK, they didn't know that.
[3:16:59] And I take in that space for my new office.
[3:17:02] Where's your first business?
[3:17:03] It's in the short way.
[3:17:03] My first business is Gloria Detaxis.
[3:17:06] I was located next to Rico's since Rico's closed.
[3:17:10] Okay, I'm moving my office to other space do they touch or you do you plan to possibly combine them to
[3:17:19] No, you're moving my okay, my office. Your name is Gloria. Who's Cassandra? My daughter's name. Nice name. I love it
[3:17:31] Yes, we go close doors this first of September. Okay, didn't know that thank you
[3:17:38] And also, I believe the floor is leveled here, except right by the former screen.
[3:17:43] Yeah, the former, before it was split, it was a, oh, it's slow down, it was a movie theater type.
[3:17:48] And the current floor is level, but yeah, there are some parts that are still slow.
[3:17:58] And occupancy wise, I think we'll find there's 20 spaces for the 4,000 square feet, but that's
[3:18:03] there's enough space on the side of the building or throughout the shopping center?
[3:18:08] Parking, sorry, yes.
[3:18:09] I know parking where the whole shopping center is part like most of the places.
[3:18:13] Gotcha.
[3:18:15] And the CUP is the best way to go about this?
[3:18:18] The only way to go about this?
[3:18:20] Yes.
[3:18:21] Okay.
[3:18:22] That's it.
[3:18:22] Thank you.
[3:18:24] Thank you.
[3:18:24] Can't you remember Ray?
[3:18:28] Nope.
[3:18:28] They beat me to my questions.
[3:18:30] Can some of you remember NASA?
[3:18:32] No.
[3:18:32] I don't have any questions.
[3:18:34] I had actually questions because there was another event hall we approved it before.
[3:18:39] So since it's closed, that's the only business, so we need one in the city anyway.
[3:18:44] So I'm for it.
[3:18:45] Thanks.
[3:18:46] Is there a motion to wait for a first read?
[3:18:51] I make a motion to wait for the first read.
[3:18:55] There's a second.
[3:18:57] I'll second.
[3:18:58] Okay.
[3:19:00] Discussion.
[3:19:00] I have a question.
[3:19:01] Okay.
[3:19:03] Alcohol licenses that something being coming up though.
[3:19:07] Yeah, it'll be separate.
[3:19:09] So, okay.
[3:19:10] It's seeking an alcohol license for herself.
[3:19:12] It'll be an accessory license, but otherwise,
[3:19:14] any serving alcohol will need to happen.
[3:19:16] Gotcha.
[3:19:18] All in favor of waving first ring.
[3:19:21] Hi.
[3:19:21] Yeah, hi.
[3:19:23] Okay.
[3:19:25] First, Reed is waved and now asked for a motion to either,
[3:19:30] for the approved item.
[3:19:32] I'll make a motion to approve CUP 26-02
[3:19:36] with the conditions presented by staff.
[3:19:39] Is there a second?
[3:19:41] Council member Ray made the motion.
[3:19:43] I heard Council member Evans make a second.
[3:19:46] And now I'll call roll.
[3:19:48] Council member Nasser?
[3:19:49] Yes.
[3:19:50] Council member Ray?
[3:19:51] Yes.
[3:19:51] Council member Hinshaw?
[3:19:53] Yes.
[3:19:54] Council member Evans?
[3:19:55] Yes.
[3:19:56] Motion passes.
[3:19:57] So welcome.
[3:19:58] Thank you.
[3:20:02] All right. My last case is another conditional use permit, the CEP-20604, for an accessory alcohol
[3:20:08] license in the Peachtree Pavilion Shopping Center. The applicant is Cue District, represented
[3:20:13] here by Mr. Nibial Khoja, and he's seeking an accessory alcohol license for the Billiards
[3:20:18] Hall that is already open in the suite. This is the location of the former Red Fox Billiards
[3:20:26] Hall. If you remember that one that closed recently, so it's on the second floor of the Peachtree
[3:20:30] She's really in shopping center in the corner up by H-Mart.
[3:20:33] It's about a 5600 square foot space.
[3:20:36] You can see here the manner of operation, five data employees.
[3:20:39] I should just note, in some of the photos,
[3:20:41] too, the layout is more or less the same as Red Fox had it.
[3:20:44] There's not really made any modifications to the space.
[3:20:49] So these are some photos of what the interior looks like.
[3:20:57] So billiards halls and such are required to have a CUP.
[3:21:00] they actually acquired one in 2018 from the City Council and variances as well.
[3:21:05] The alcohol license though that Red Fox had alcohol licenses are not allowed to transfer
[3:21:10] from one owner to the other so to get a new one they had to come before you guys.
[3:21:15] Staff and planning commission both recommended approval with one condition just that there
[3:21:19] are be no coin operated amusement devices as defined in our ordinance.
[3:21:23] So that's all I got, the applicant is here if you have any questions.
[3:21:27] Okay, and this is the first read public comment so I'd like to open it up for public comment
[3:21:34] anyone within the chambers I'd like to come up to the podium in favor of the CUP please
[3:21:40] come I don't see anyone and there's no one online so let me close that portion of the
[3:21:48] public comment and open it up for anyone not in favor of the CUP anyone in the chambers
[3:21:53] members please come up to the podium.
[3:21:54] You're allowed 10 minutes.
[3:21:56] Do not see anyone and no one is online,
[3:21:59] so we'll close that portion.
[3:22:00] I'd like to ask the applicant if they're here.
[3:22:02] They'd like to come up and speak.
[3:22:04] Please do.
[3:22:13] Good evening, members of the City Council.
[3:22:16] Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to appear
[3:22:18] before you tonight.
[3:22:19] Once again, my name is Nabil.
[3:22:20] I'm here with my partner in Hanok,
[3:22:22] and we're the owners of Cudistrick located
[3:22:24] at the P3 Pavilion on 60-35 P3 Road.
[3:22:28] We're here tonight to respectfully request approval of our conditional use permit for the cell and service of beer wine and
[3:22:36] spirits as an accessory to our pool hall and sports lounge.
[3:22:39] We're investing in a professionally operated recreational and entertainment facility centered around billiards, sports, food, and social entertainment.
[3:22:48] Our facility is approximately 56, 5,650 square foot with pool tables, large green televisions, projectors, seating area,
[3:22:57] a food service, board games, we've set up leagues as well as professional tournaments.
[3:23:02] Our vision is to provide the type of complete experience that customers have to come to
[3:23:07] expect when they come to a pool hall and sports lounge.
[3:23:10] When someone chooses to spend two, three, or four hours at a facility like ours, they're
[3:23:14] not simply looking for a pool table.
[3:23:16] They're looking for a clean and comfortable environment, quality equipment, good food,
[3:23:20] beverages, sports on television in an atmosphere where they can spend time with friends, family,
[3:23:25] teammates and co-workers.
[3:23:28] This is the experience that we're trying to create.
[3:23:30] Just the ability to provide alcoholic beverages responsibly is an important part of completing
[3:23:35] that expectation.
[3:23:37] This CUP approval will be complimentary to our business, that is not the foundation of
[3:23:42] our business.
[3:23:43] Our primary focus will still remain billiards in a recreation.
[3:23:47] In fact, our operation is specifically designed around that purpose.
[3:23:50] We plan to host pool leagues and tournaments, professional tournaments, including our involvement with the Atlanta professional league, UPA league and APA league, while also providing a casual destination for people who want to watch professional and call college sports.
[3:24:06] I believe this permit is considerably important from a business sustainability standpoint, we've made a significant investment in this location, including the build out equipment, pool table staffing and ongoing operating expenses.
[3:24:18] We've committed ourselves to substantial commercial lease and
[3:24:21] decreating a facility that we believe will be an asset to the shopping center.
[3:24:27] Our goal is to build a business that is financially sustainable for
[3:24:30] the long run, not simply open its stores and hope it survives.
[3:24:33] The ability to offer food and alcoholic beverages alongside our primary recreational activities gives us the opportunity to create a stronger and more sustainable business model.
[3:24:42] We're also mindful of the responsibility that comes with an alcohol license.
[3:24:45] We understand that this approval is a privilege, not an entitlement.
[3:24:49] Our plan is to having management, present during operations, properly trained employees,
[3:24:54] involved in alcohol service and increasing staff during evenings, weekends, tournaments, and major sporting events.
[3:25:00] A designated manager will be responsible for overseeing alcohol service and compliance while maintaining a safe and orderly environment. Our facility, once again, is 5,600 foot square foot, square foot, which also gives us something very important space. We're not proposing a small overcrowded establishment where customers are packed together. Our layout provides room for accountable seating, 16 pool tables, circulation, dining, and social interaction. That offers our staff to maintain a visibility of the facility and maintain the operation
[3:25:29] appropriately. We're part of an established commercial plaza that already includes entertainment,
[3:25:35] dining, and businesses that serve alcohol beverages. Our neighboring business, the next
[3:25:39] storm, Mike's karaoke already operates as a full service bar. Other businesses within the
[3:25:44] applause also incorporate alcohol beverages into their operations. Our proposal is different
[3:25:49] because we're bringing something to the plaza that currently does not have a dedicated billiards
[3:25:54] and sports entertainment destination. We believe that Q-districts adds diversity to the plaza rather
[3:25:59] than taking away from what is there.
[3:26:01] Someone may come to the center for karaoke.
[3:26:03] Someone may come for dinner or shopping at the H-Mart.
[3:26:06] Or someone may come to Q-District for a pool tournament or simply to watch a football game.
[3:26:11] These uses can complement one another and help the shopping center a stronger destination.
[3:26:15] We want Q-District to be a long-term business in Dorville.
[3:26:20] Our location is directly connected to the Pringle Amputator in the assembly studios,
[3:26:25] which serves as the natural destination of our business and we fall literally in the backyard of the newly built venues.
[3:26:30] We understand that the Pringle Amputators and important parts of Dorville's future as a destination for entertainment and community activity.
[3:26:37] After attending outdoor events, concerts, or other activities at the Amputator and assembly studios,
[3:26:42] guests would have the opportunity to continue their evening at Q-District and enjoy a professional recreation venue and safe and responsible environment.
[3:26:52] So to close, we believe this permit will allow us to provide a more complete customer experience,
[3:26:57] remain competitive with comparable and similar entertainment venues around the Atlanta area
[3:27:03] support the long-term sustainability of our business and contribute positively to the commercial
[3:27:07] center and the surrounding community. So once again, we'd like to thank Mr. Albert, Ms. Ezebel
[3:27:13] and Assistant and Austin as well and Assistant for the preparation of this meeting and for the rest
[3:27:19] of the members of the council. We appreciate the opportunity to request for this approval.
[3:27:24] I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.
[3:27:26] Thank you.
[3:27:28] In Austin, before I open it up to Council, I just have one question you've got to refresh my memory.
[3:27:33] So there was that billiard place that we only allowed beer and wine, correct, but not spirits.
[3:27:42] And what was the reasoning because?
[3:27:45] What was the reasoning for that?
[3:27:46] I forgot.
[3:27:47] There were a couple, but a lot of.
[3:27:49] No, it was, yeah, it was the one along with you for a highway across from, you know, it was on the second floor.
[3:27:56] When, thank you, when club maybe trying to undo the competition when there were a couple of reasons for that.
[3:28:03] I mean, one of the ones was that they started operating before coming to council.
[3:28:09] So we were kind of working backwards on that one.
[3:28:11] And so we kind of had some code enforcement.
[3:28:14] Yeah, she was that we were dealing with on that one.
[3:28:17] But was it nothing to do with like the mental pool tables or people or any of that stuff wasn't some of that was part of it in the kitchen and working backwards like they didn't have a kitchen
[3:28:26] They have it was a very small venue. So they're their options for other revenue were a lot smaller
[3:28:32] This is a much bigger venue. Okay. Yeah, that's what I was wondering because it's like your food sales and your alcohol
[3:28:37] It's like has to be more food sales and all and that's what we were worried about and was smaller because
[3:28:41] Well, the accessory alcohol is just, you know, it's, it can be food sales, but it can also be something else about your business.
[3:28:47] That's probably revenue as opposed to just the.
[3:28:51] Okay, so they're sort of allowed to have all three of the council wishes, per our code or ordinance or anything like.
[3:28:59] You approve the request as written the other a lot to have your wine and spirits.
[3:29:02] Okay, just want to make sure.
[3:29:04] Let me have a council member.
[3:29:23] That's the biggest concern I have, there's no gambling or nothing going on, or is there any closed doors in the, you know, there's a
[3:29:32] I'm trying to see a little room down there in the corner.
[3:29:41] I think there's one closed door, which is like a storage area where you were able to fit.
[3:29:45] It's probably the top left of the area, but it's less than maybe one or two, three foot tables in there.
[3:29:53] So it's a very limited storage where we just store the cleaning supplies and additional storage.
[3:29:59] Wait.
[3:30:00] The police come, they put their clothing or the purses or whatnot, exactly, very minimal, minimal specs. It's a list at six feet, right? Okay. I'm just, I'm just wondering about some of the stuff. But thank you, I appreciate it. That's always my biggest concern. And that I'm good. Thank you, Councilmember Evans.
[3:30:21] Thank you. And thank you all for being here.
[3:30:25] The sports lounge piece. Is that a seating area in front of TVs? If you're having events?
[3:30:31] I don't see it represented in a photo, so where is that exactly?
[3:30:36] So we have seen around the entire building, as you may see, it's not a specifically designated seating area,
[3:30:43] but this is just like an additional asset that we added to our business,
[3:30:46] just rather than having one destination, like just pool players coming in.
[3:30:52] We're a lot of, I would say, for sports fanatics.
[3:30:55] So anytime there's a game one, I'm up there watching it.
[3:30:57] So I'm not much myself a competitive pool player, I would say.
[3:31:00] It's just like a casual player, but this was a great business opportunity, so we wanted to add another asset that could potentially bring in revenue, which is
[3:31:08] Sports so there's not to directly answer your question. There's not a specific seating area right across where we currently have the big projectors
[3:31:15] But throughout the entirety of the building
[3:31:17] We do have seats and tables that customers can kind of relax on
[3:31:23] And then the
[3:31:24] But if you can go to the diagram, I just hard to read the box in the area to the right kind of where the highlight is, what area is that, to the far right, with the door opening?
[3:31:41] Yes.
[3:31:42] As existing exit door is what's highlighted, and that looks like a patio.
[3:31:45] So that's to the staircase area out front of the door.
[3:31:48] Okay, so just to clarify, I'm not sure if this is like a perfect representation, but essentially it's three suites.
[3:31:54] So right now there's three exits. So it's sweet A to 13 to 14 to 15. It's been combined into one suite. So there's three exit signs. And I believe where the yellow is. That's the first exit from the back patio.
[3:32:08] But that's not the main entrance as you see the front door is where the front entrance is.
[3:32:12] And you're serving like a fool.
[3:32:15] You have a full kitchen for serving food or we're just talking like pretzels chips. Yes, we do. We have a full kitchen.
[3:32:24] So, as you can see, it's close to the bar area, it's to the right of the bar area.
[3:32:28] Oh, to the right.
[3:32:28] Okay.
[3:32:29] Yes.
[3:32:30] All right.
[3:32:30] That's it.
[3:32:31] Thank you.
[3:32:33] Councilmember Henshaw.
[3:32:34] No questions.
[3:32:36] Councilmember Ray?
[3:32:37] No questions.
[3:32:38] Would anyone like to wave first read?
[3:32:40] The commotion to wave first read.
[3:32:41] Second.
[3:32:42] All right.
[3:32:45] Councilmember Henshaw made a motion.
[3:32:47] Councilmember Ray, second.
[3:32:48] All in favor?
[3:32:49] Aye.
[3:32:49] All right, bye.
[3:32:50] All right, would anyone like to make a motion on this?
[3:32:54] Motion to approve, CUP 26-04,
[3:32:57] with the notes as in the packet from staff.
[3:33:01] Is there a second?
[3:33:02] Second.
[3:33:03] Any discussion?
[3:33:05] I'll call roll.
[3:33:06] Council member Ray?
[3:33:07] Yes.
[3:33:08] Council member Nasser?
[3:33:10] Yes.
[3:33:11] Council member Henshaw?
[3:33:12] Yes.
[3:33:12] Council member Evans.
[3:33:13] Yes.
[3:33:14] Motion passes.
[3:33:14] You've got to vote for yourself.
[3:33:16] Mm-hmm.
[3:33:18] I don't think Mayor Pro Tem can vote, right, unless it's a tie.
[3:33:24] I don't know.
[3:33:24] Cecil?
[3:33:26] I thought, I know I can't make a motion.
[3:33:31] Can I suppose to vote as Mayor Pro Tem?
[3:33:34] As Mayor Pro Tem?
[3:33:37] Yes.
[3:33:38] No, I don't really know.
[3:33:41] All right.
[3:33:41] So I guess on to reports and presentations and Jude.
[3:33:48] you're up.
[3:33:53] Congratulations and welcome to the doorbell.
[3:33:57] All right.
[3:34:02] Okay. Great. Hi, hello everybody. Good night and good morning.
[3:34:06] My name is Jude Wagesbach. I am the GIS administrator for the City of
[3:34:12] Doorbell. I have with me Alexander Sweet, our GIS technician.
[3:34:17] And we are here to provide an update on some things we've been working on over
[3:34:23] for the past few months.
[3:34:25] So we've got the Capital Projects
[3:34:28] Coordination Web Application.
[3:34:31] And this is now posted live on door of you,
[3:34:35] the city's open data portal.
[3:34:37] So I invite you all to kind of scroll along on your phones.
[3:34:41] We've got a mobile version of this too.
[3:34:43] You can play along with as I give the presentation,
[3:34:45] if you'd like.
[3:34:47] So what this is, this web application is gonna keep track
[3:34:51] of all of the capital projects that the city staff is currently working on and that we have worked on
[3:35:00] So it's a nice comprehensive tracking solution. Why we have created this one here is that our previous solution was this one shown on the screen here. Now this solution was not much of a solution. It was several story maps piece together. It was three.
[3:35:28] Okay, wonderful. So this was essentially three PowerPoint presentations, sort of glued together.
[3:35:35] is was our previous, I
[3:35:40] think I'm losing battery over here, maybe I can shout, there's one right in front of you, that's plugged in right there,
[3:35:51] now you need to come to the microphone.
[3:36:04] Hello? Okay, wonderful. So as I was saying, the previous solution was just a couple of power points essentially, all glued together, you can see how this would be problematic for city staff to keep updated, we have three separate.
[3:36:19] essentially like power points we're trying to all keep updated if we had say for
[3:36:26] instance like the capital paving project is does that go in the development section
[3:36:31] is that infrastructure what if it's grant funded which one do we put this in so
[3:36:36] our solution was to scrap all of that completely and if you want to scroll ahead so
[3:36:45] So this is our new capital project tracker rather than being one in three.
[3:36:53] It is now three in one.
[3:36:55] So what that means is that our project tracker comes with three simple tabs up at the top
[3:37:02] for city staff to utilize.
[3:37:05] So the first one is the new project tab.
[3:37:07] So this one's pretty straightforward.
[3:37:09] If you want to add a new project into the application, then you can click the little plus button.
[3:37:17] You can zoom in and then add your feature wherever you'd like.
[3:37:22] Over on the right side is the Details panel, which allows you to select the type of project that this is.
[3:37:32] So once you select that and say we add a utilities over here, then the experience essentially
[3:37:43] leads the user through predetermined details on the side.
[3:37:49] So it basically asks you to put in your project ID, your project number, phase, and so on.
[3:37:56] Estimated cost, all of that great stuff.
[3:37:59] So the plus side for that is that it keeps our data consistent from one to another that's
[3:38:06] just a series of drop down menus so that we don't have a thousand different misspellings
[3:38:12] and things like that.
[3:38:13] So it's a really good way to keep our data consistent.
[3:38:16] Moving on to the next tab, this is the management portion of the solution.
[3:38:24] So, this is after all of the projects have been created and
[3:38:28] inputted, this is the master table list that allows one to very easily and quickly go through.
[3:38:35] And correct any mistakes, make any edits, update these features, and so on.
[3:38:42] So, for instance, if we have the new picture of multi-use path, that's a project that I've just going off the top of the head here.
[3:38:52] I think it's a developing project so if we wanted to move that into the active phase
[3:38:59] we could do that from this section here.
[3:39:03] There's several different ways to edit.
[3:39:05] You can click over there.
[3:39:06] You can click inside the table.
[3:39:08] It's pretty straightforward and it's got a good flow to it.
[3:39:15] So moving along to the final aspect is the tracking solution.
[3:39:21] So, this tracking dashboard is what is publicly accessible on the open data portal.
[3:39:30] So, this is where residents, citizens, basically anyone can come and take a look and see what door vill has been up to.
[3:39:39] You can take a look.
[3:39:40] So, on the left side of the pane, we have just a giant list of all of the projects that we've been working on, all 41 of them.
[3:39:48] This time record only goes back, I think, to 2021.
[3:39:51] Doraville has done way more than 41 projects, but the just for
[3:39:55] the data that we've put in has been this 41.
[3:39:58] We've got our nice funding.
[3:40:05] We have a project status donut. And if you click in there, it will actually filter our projects to show only the active, only the completed, et cetera, and so on. Similarly, the project type doughnut acts in the same way. If you want to see what stormwater projects we have, and you can easily click in there, it will actually filter our projects to show only the active, only the completed, et cetera, and so on.
[3:40:29] click that and see. At the bottom we have our bar table that just shows the the
[3:40:39] years that these projects were active in and of course because this is a live
[3:40:44] demonstration the right panel cannot access the data. So naturally that's
[3:40:50] fantastic. It was working phenomenally well earlier today.
[3:40:56] I just want to put
[3:40:59] fix this. What you're going to see on the right side of the screen is the details tab,
[3:41:06] basically the meat and potatoes. Everything I wanted to show you guys. So it goes into details,
[3:41:12] again, it'll tell you if the project is active, proposed, completed. We've got a breakdown
[3:41:19] on the project details. What is the project all about? Why are we doing this?
[3:41:24] As well as that, it includes a funding table which I was really looking forward to showing
[3:41:30] you guys.
[3:41:31] So the funding table breaks down the total project funding, you know, for instance if we've
[3:41:37] got 100 grand to fix these sidewalks, maybe we've got a $50,000 grant from the housing and
[3:41:44] urban development and maybe the city is only putting in another 50k.
[3:41:48] We have an itemized receipts essentially that we've put in there alongside just some nice lovely photos of the projects.
[3:41:58] Oh, nice. Yeah. Okay. So there's the funding table right there. Yeah. Very tiny. Beautiful. Okay. So continuing on down past the tracking panel.
[3:42:12] And then finally, the final piece is we've, this is the splash screen that Alex has been
[3:42:19] working on putting together, and this is essentially a how-to guide on how to use this in case
[3:42:26] my very hurried presentation wasn't enough.
[3:42:30] So it basically walks.
[3:42:33] We've got two versions of the splash screen, one for staff, and then one for the public to
[3:42:36] use. In the same way that there are, we're doing that behind the scenes anyway.
[3:42:42] There's one for staff to use, and then one for the public to use. So this one helps
[3:42:47] the staff come through, tells them how they can make the new project, how you can manage
[3:42:51] it, and then how to use the tracking solution at the end.
[3:42:57] And I believe that is all, we've
[3:43:00] got some nice pictures though, down at the bottom, if you want to scroll to that. Alex,
[3:43:05] yeah beautiful look at our parks questions yeah thank you June I'll open up to
[3:43:12] council if they have any questions or comments council member Henshaw no I'm just
[3:43:19] sorry you had to go through the whole it always works until you need to
[3:43:22] present and then it doesn't but your your presentations are always great and yeah
[3:43:27] this is good we get a lot of residents going where we're kind of go for
[3:43:31] information you know this is just gonna be one of those great resources that they
[3:43:35] have access to. So I hope I just the city will promote this somehow or by a very big
[3:43:41] link somewhere on the covers street. I want to know more about our projects click here
[3:43:44] and then it takes it right to them and other than that. Great so. Thank you.
[3:43:49] And you can't remember, right? Yeah, I'll just say I'm a good presentation. No questions
[3:43:54] probably until I play around with it and then I'll have a few and but I think this is awesome.
[3:43:58] It's good transparency and it'd be nice to one advertise it but then have something to point to
[3:44:02] And it's like, hey, this is where the money's going.
[3:44:05] Here's what's upcoming.
[3:44:06] Here's the progress.
[3:44:07] I think this is a great addition.
[3:44:09] Thank you for putting it together.
[3:44:10] Thank you.
[3:44:11] Thank you.
[3:44:11] Councilmember Evans.
[3:44:13] Well, thank you.
[3:44:14] This is amazing.
[3:44:15] This is actually something I've been asking for for a few years.
[3:44:18] And I think it's a great way to raise it to be transparent.
[3:44:22] And keep up with different projects
[3:44:24] so we have so many going on at the same time.
[3:44:26] So what's the status, what's all this having to ask staff?
[3:44:29] Wait, what's the status this?
[3:44:30] What's the update for that?
[3:44:31] and then trying to give that information back to residents because they've asked.
[3:44:35] Now we have a place to point them and look it up and see where it is active for
[3:44:39] programs completed, et cetera. So thank you for doing that.
[3:44:43] A few questions around that. Is this truly an app or is it browser-based?
[3:44:49] It's browser-based, yeah. So you don't have to download anything. You can just go
[3:44:53] straight to the website and access it either on your mobile device or on your
[3:44:57] personal computer.
[3:45:00] Question the project ID, is there something necessary to have in order to look stuff up, or can you just scroll and look it by name or area? Yeah, you don't need to know anything about any of the projects previously in order to use the application. You can just scroll straight down to the list on the left side. But if there is a project, you have a particular interest in, there's a little search function there as well. Based off to GIS, so is that the only sources pulling from, or is it also using like a comprehensive
[3:45:29] or hints of plan or other projects that we're working on outside of that.
[3:45:34] Yes, so we pulled all of our information from all of these sources that we could find,
[3:45:40] so that includes comprehensive plans, non-comprehensive plans, it includes talking to China, a lot,
[3:45:48] in her doorway, so we put all of that information into our GIS systems, essentially, and digitized it.
[3:45:56] And the one thing I didn't see, and I'm not sure if it's there, but it's a good idea
[3:46:00] if it's not.
[3:46:01] Are there links in the projects to more specific information like the actual ordinance or
[3:46:07] read this section for more details?
[3:46:09] Is that something in there or coming?
[3:46:11] Yeah, yeah.
[3:46:12] I'm glad you asked that.
[3:46:13] That was the one thing I glossed over in my memory of what was on that right details side
[3:46:21] that wasn't functioning tonight so there is a link that will take you to further
[3:46:26] documentation on each of those projects so if there's an item out to bid it'll
[3:46:31] take you to the bid opportunities page on the city's website if there's a plan
[3:46:35] then it'll link you straight to that too. Thank you. Councilmember Nasser. Thank
[3:46:44] you great presentation. I just want to clarify I started things is for public which
[3:46:50] which is this is accessible on our door of the website, right?
[3:46:53] Yes, that's right.
[3:46:54] It's already live.
[3:46:56] Yes, it's live.
[3:46:58] Okay.
[3:47:00] That's pretty much it.
[3:47:01] I just want to, you know, public to know that what's going on
[3:47:07] and these are available and accessible, easy, accessible
[3:47:10] to others, those who are listening.
[3:47:13] Thank you.
[3:47:13] Yeah, for sure, thank you.
[3:47:15] Thank you, Jube.
[3:47:19] Yes, we're good.
[3:47:20] And that takes care of that.
[3:47:22] We'll go to the second discussion item with Chris LeFour with the Honey Suckel Park Master Plan.
[3:47:39] All right, good evening, Mayor and Council.
[3:47:41] I am going to be extremely brief.
[3:47:44] So I'm here to discuss just the Parks Master Plan.
[3:47:47] Previously we discussed some of the early concepts that most designs put together.
[3:47:53] And we were tasked with trying to identify a way to phase the project simply because we can do all the project all at once.
[3:48:01] Now during those conversations, the plan, the concepts that they put together that you guys previously saw they were not feasible and not only were they not feasible, but they would have impacted our park programming to a point where it would essentially be unusable.
[3:48:16] So we asked them to put together two other concepts for us to share with you guys tonight.
[3:48:21] So one of the main differences here in the main concept here is the location of the pool.
[3:48:28] And just a couple small changes to loop around the park here, and on the right hand side I'm just kind of showing you guys what the estimated total cost for this concept would be about $20 to $26 million in total.
[3:48:42] So what I'll do now, I'll go down to the first phase of this project.
[3:48:46] If we were to select phase one, the first phase of this project would include the installation of the pool, as well as the additional parking necessary for the park.
[3:48:55] The estimated cost for that, around $10 to $11.5 million.
[3:48:59] For concept two, that would include the renovations necessary over at the current football field, as well as some additional parking and a small turnaround as you can see estimated cost for that, $2 to $3 million.
[3:49:13] Phase 3 of this project would be the installation of a multi-purpose field which I think would be used lives mostly for soccer we had them we had them include some baseball because that was something that was missing in the previous plans as well as some of the park areas as you see right there and the estimated cost for that 10 to 11 million dollars for the third phase and the fourth phase of the project would essentially include the pickleball courts in the top right hand side.
[3:49:41] of the image, one to $1.5 million for the fourth phase of this concept.
[3:49:48] Moving on into, wait, do we have another one? Yeah, we do have another one.
[3:49:53] So this is the second concept. There we go.
[3:49:57] This is the second concept that they provided to us.
[3:50:00] Really, the main changes here in this concept is also the location of the pool and the estimated total cost for this project, $20 to $25 million, and I'll essentially show you the main difference here in terms of the phases. We have five total phases for this project, and this would be the first phase if we went with concept to the estimated total cost, $7 to about $8.5 million.
[3:50:27] The biggest difference between this phase of this concept versus the first, we wouldn't have any additional parking which is a bit of a concern we'd have to utilize some of the existing parking, but we'd still be able to keep our programs going forward.
[3:50:43] Second phase of this project would include the additional parking that would be necessary for the pool estimated costs two to two and a half million dollars.
[3:50:51] The third phase of this project would be the renovations to the football field and the field house two to two and a half million dollars, fourth phase would essentially be all the additional parking, the multi-use parks, multi-use fields, parks, basketball courts, and there is a fifth phase to this project, which would be about one one and a half million dollars, which would be utilized for the additional pick-a-ball courts and estimated cost one to $1.5 million.
[3:51:19] So essentially this, that's really all I have to share with you guys, there's some additional information in the packet just kind of breaking down the estimated cost for you guys.
[3:51:28] But we just wanted to continue the conversation to see which direction we want to go in.
[3:51:34] Again, the purpose is to select something that is feasible so we know how we're going to move forward to try to get these projects going.
[3:51:42] Or find 30 million dollars all at once.
[3:51:45] Thank you Chris and I like the presentation how you phased it with estimated cost before I open up cancel
[3:51:51] I just had two quick questions the just for the public the reason concept one
[3:51:58] The reason concept one
[3:52:00] Pool cost was a little highest because there was more parking and concrete involved in that phase one compared to
[3:52:06] Concept two phase one of the pool. Yes, right is correct and I also want to point out I was just remind I just want to point out
[3:52:13] These concepts also include closing off access to the road so you can kind of can't see it in here
[3:52:20] So Maryland job just kind of cuts through into pleasant Valley these concepts essentially would eliminate that
[3:52:26] They'll still be some pedestrian access to the parks that we can include so if that's something you're against
[3:52:31] We can throw that back in there. No problem. I just wanted to make sure I throw that in
[3:52:35] Yeah, and because that's roughly where the stormwater attention pond is and that's good and then
[3:52:40] My only concern on concept 2 is the bottleneck and all up there at the football field, with the round about, compared to concept 1 where you can circle around and loop.
[3:52:50] Those were roughly the two differences. I mean it's about the same pools, same dog park, I think dog park concept 2, 1 is smaller than 2.
[3:53:01] But for the most part I think on concept one the road loops around which helps probably traffic flow a little bit better
[3:53:10] But with that being said, let me open up the council council member Evans
[3:53:16] Thank you. Thanks for the presentation
[3:53:21] Wow, I mean it's a lot to digest
[3:53:27] Well, the dog park still a part of this or they out of the loop
[3:53:31] the dark. I cannot. No, the dog parts are there. They're number four. So on that one, it's
[3:53:37] sent by the detention panel. And then the proposal, I guess the main difference is two pick-a-ball
[3:53:45] courts versus additional six.
[3:53:51] Essentially, the one to the right payment. The pick-a-ball
[3:53:54] courts are the same on each one. What's the courts to the far left number four?
[3:53:59] Our love has been accessible, accessible, how is it okay?
[3:54:03] And I guess my only other question really is, is there a preferential phase one, two, three, four, five, or is it just taking?
[3:54:12] The preference is phase one is a pull.
[3:54:15] Everything else, I think we would just have to figure it out.
[3:54:18] But ideally, the phases that they did put together would kind of help keep the park able to flow with the programming that we have going on without maximum interference.
[3:54:28] So sequential, I think, was sort of what you were asking, canceling your evidence, yeah.
[3:54:32] And that's going to be $10 to $11 million.
[3:54:35] Or which phase?
[3:54:36] For the pool.
[3:54:37] Yes.
[3:54:38] About $10 million for the first phase in concept one.
[3:54:41] I think concept two was about half, seven and a half to eight.
[3:54:45] I mean, of course, I want to see the pool happen.
[3:54:48] But honestly, if it's a million to do courts or to do two million to do a field,
[3:54:55] just to get started.
[3:54:57] I'd prefer that more of a low-hanging food.
[3:55:00] We've been waiting to acquire $10 million to do the pool, but still adding funds to do it eventually. But I'd rather have something in nothing regarding phasing it out. That's just my preference. That's it. Thank you. Thank you. Council Member Henshaw. Yeah, Warren, I think you touched on a couple of good points. The loop road makes a little bit better sense from a safety standpoint, from an access standpoint, from a fire.
[3:55:29] truck ambulance, you know, that makes more sense to me.
[3:55:34] So, you know, concept one sort of makes more sense.
[3:55:36] Concept one also has a pavilion along with the pool that's a rentable pavilion.
[3:55:42] I think that's missing on concept two.
[3:55:44] I also think concept two is a much more challenging ask from the pool development.
[3:55:51] You have only a pedestrian connection which is going to be a lot more challenging to do
[3:55:54] from an ADA compliance as well as a life safety.
[3:55:57] If an ambulance needs to get to somebody happening at the pool,
[3:56:01] they're going to wheel a stretcher down a cart path to get somebody there.
[3:56:06] Like there's no direct vehicular access, at least with phase one.
[3:56:12] So I think concept one just makes a lot more sense.
[3:56:18] I don't know about the pros and cons of cutting off an entire entrance to the park.
[3:56:22] I don't know if there's a way to have, to shave the dog park down and allow for maybe only emergency access off of Maryland so that if a fire truck or emergency vehicle is there, if there's a way to do that, but it's just, I get controlled access, but this is a lot, I mean, you're talking hundreds and hundreds of cars and potentially thousands of people coming in and so for large events so it's going to become a pretty big bottleneck to not have that second act.
[3:56:52] I understand why they did it, especially with the topography being what they needed in the.
[3:56:57] The above ground storm water saves a lot of money and I get why it's where it is.
[3:57:01] So you can't fight gravity easily or cheaply.
[3:57:05] The only other thing I'd like to see is maybe a beach volleyball court or two.
[3:57:08] They're exceptionally popular.
[3:57:10] So maybe that like little open space next to the building, the open green space, I think it's eight in concept one.
[3:57:18] or maybe just taking one of the pickleball courts and turning it into a beach volleyball or two of the pickleball courts have two beach volleyball courts and then the tennis courts can go either four pickleball courts or two tennis courts and just to get a little bit more variety for residents other than that I really like it.
[3:57:37] I'd love to see what the pool looks like. I know we did costing exercises on it and these are sort of loose costs.
[3:57:43] I'm assuming it's a similar pool to what had been designed previously based on the committee feedback so it's got the zero lip entry and a swim lane and a play area and some sort of thing in it and the splash pad is a part of that project as well so I think you guys captured the essence of it I think they did a good job on the redesign and I appreciate you going back
[3:58:04] with the understanding that it would need to be phased. For those listening obviously this is an insanely expensive thing.
[3:58:09] I mean, Brookhaven passed a $40 million parks bond a couple of years ago.
[3:58:15] Obviously, they're a lot wealthier city than we are, and they're chewing through it pretty quick.
[3:58:20] This is obviously the goal to me.
[3:58:23] I would like to think that our downtown is our number one priority, but once the downtown is done,
[3:58:29] we have a land that we can borrow against or sell to help fund these projects.
[3:58:35] the increased tax base, we can borrow against the increased property values for the SSD, we can borrow against it.
[3:58:41] So there's a lot of incremental financing that we're going to have to go through to achieve this part, but it is good to have a goal.
[3:58:53] Today's not the day to find the money, but I think the concept one's just the better way to go.
[3:58:59] Thank you.
[3:59:01] Thank you, Council Member Nasser.
[3:59:03] Thank
[3:59:06] you, Chris.
[3:59:11] Nicely done, but at the same time, I know we need $30 million to finish that project.
[3:59:23] I like the phase one, which is called so what, 30 million?
[3:59:28] Phase one is rough.
[3:59:30] Well, I'm not Chris saying, but it's roughly 10 million, just give it a take.
[3:59:34] yeah phase one right around 10 million yeah 10 to 11 and a half million dollars and these are very
[3:59:40] very very conservative estimates so you won't know until you bit it out.
[3:59:53] I'd like to see it
[3:59:54] started somewhere you know whichever is affordable at this moment after
[4:00:00] We build a city hall. Whatever is affordable, we can start somewhere. I mean, I know we don't have enough money, so whatever we have, let's start somewhere. I'd like phase one.
[4:00:14] Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember Ray. Yeah, thank you. Thanks for the presentation, Chris, and getting this put together. I will say I prefer concept one. I like the loop road. I like that the pool is actually kind of off to the side.
[4:00:30] so that that parking is maybe less likely to get taken up by other events happening at the same time.
[4:00:36] One question I did have is phase one for concepts one is 10 million 10 to 11 and a half.
[4:00:44] That does include the storm water retention and the parking additionally over there.
[4:00:52] My highest priority, I want the whole park to get upgraded and I think it's worth discussing
[4:00:57] future funding mechanisms around that at some point, not tonight.
[4:01:02] But my question is, based on what I've heard from residents, the pool should be our number
[4:01:07] one priority.
[4:01:09] Pools are increasingly difficult to access unless you are already in a fluent person.
[4:01:14] And I know that our pool was maxed out all the time and we had plenty of people using it.
[4:01:19] Would we be able to, with phase one, modify it to be just the pool and perhaps an access
[4:01:26] road over to the built out stormwater retention pond so that we can lower the price tag on that
[4:01:33] and potentially fund that sooner. So you're saying I want to make sure I heard you
[4:01:38] right. So just the pool and you said access road to what? So we would have the pool and the pool
[4:01:44] parking but it also right now is including the road that goes to the additional parking and the
[4:01:49] retention pond. And I'm saying instead of building out an entire road and the additional parking and
[4:01:54] paving, just build out, you know, the retention pond, because I know that's
[4:01:58] going to be necessary, or even saving that for the future, but not paying for
[4:02:01] the parking to lower the price tag. And then instead, coupling that with phase
[4:02:06] two, which would be building out that football field, which is when we would need
[4:02:11] the parking over there anyway. So basically, the football field right now
[4:02:15] looks like it's two to three million is the estimate, and the pool is 10 to 11.
[4:02:19] So what I'm saying is, let's shift some of that to the football field
[4:02:22] renovation so that we can get the pool faster.
[4:02:25] Yeah, I would say, I don't want to say here and say it's not possible.
[4:02:29] I would just say where the pool is in phase one for this concept.
[4:02:33] It does eat up a lot of that parking space that was pre-existing.
[4:02:38] But I would just say I'd have them take a look at and see how feasible it is.
[4:02:42] Okay, fair enough.
[4:02:43] Or even considering a step phase where it's a gravel parking lot first or so.
[4:02:48] I'm just creative ways to get the pool faster.
[4:02:51] It is one of the top things I hear from residents when I talk to them.
[4:02:54] Many of them have given up on it all together thinking we're never going to get one.
[4:02:58] And I think it was something that our community used a lot.
[4:03:00] So secondly on that, I'm fine removing the additional road and just having pedestrian access
[4:03:09] from that neighborhood contingent on us when we do this redesign, redesigning the entry point
[4:03:16] to make sure it can handle the amount of people that are going to be at this park,
[4:03:20] especially if it's made to be as nice as it looks.
[4:03:25] Last couple of things. So the fields are those budgeted to be turf fields or natural grass fields?
[4:03:32] They would be, I think the way they designed it was for turf field. And we actually discuss that
[4:03:37] as well because the existing football field there's potential to keep it natural. And I think there's
[4:03:44] some preference for certain sports that keep it natural as well, which would be a pretty significant cost savings.
[4:03:49] Now the new multi-purpose field, that one for sure was designed to be turf.
[4:03:54] Okay. Yeah, I think if we can keep one natural, if it saves money, but I also think that's preferable in a lot of ways, helps with microplastics and everything.
[4:04:04] Like the basketball courts, I would agree. I'm not anti-pickleball, but we have pickleball courts, there's pickleball courts all over the place these days.
[4:04:11] I think if we removed at least one of those pickable courts in favor of volleyball or some other pad that can be, you know, multi-purpose for various sports, that would be ideal as well.
[4:04:26] And yeah, so last comment I would say is as we look at this and move forward and think about, you know, what phase I like phase one being the pool, but I would like to hear from our recreation and parks director on our programming and what's going to get used the most.
[4:04:40] And then if staff could start working with China to present budgeting options that get us there and it might be one that the residents have to vote on to see if we want to take out a bond for this or something like that.
[4:04:54] It's nothing said in stone, but it would be very nice to know what levers we can pull to get there faster.
[4:05:00] And then, you know, stowing away half a million dollars a year and hoping we can eventually pay for this. But yes, thank you for the presentation, Chris. Thank you. And I'd just like to add that we heard from residents that they prefer the pool. I've heard the comments about trying to get something done. Do the lower hanging fruits, so to speak on these phases. But then you're taking away money from the pot for the pool. It will take longer. So that was just my comment about that. Councilman Reffens.
[4:05:28] I don't see it here and I want to be price conscious, but just there's a lot of gravel space here for parking.
[4:05:36] And I know parking decks are super expensive.
[4:05:39] But just forward thinking of we may want to expand this park future in the future or at skate park or more volleyball courts or something like that.
[4:05:48] Is there a way to incorporate just what they would look like having a parking deck and less gravel for parking and maybe even stacking one of these courts on the top of that deck.
[4:05:59] Pickleball could be up there, basketball could be up there.
[4:06:02] We just really want a future proofer that we're not just doing the status quo but thinking about this creatively to say we're saving space in a long run.
[4:06:11] And because if you look, that's just a lot of concrete around that you still walk into.
[4:06:16] But if you stack the parking, it's more expensive in the front end.
[4:06:20] But in the long run, is that going to be more effective for this park?
[4:06:24] Is something to consider?
[4:06:26] Yeah, that's something that I would just have to get with the designers.
[4:06:29] They could probably put together like an overlay or something just to see what that could look like, where it could go.
[4:06:36] And then we can go from there.
[4:06:38] And maybe we can find a sponsor.
[4:06:45] Thank you Chris. I think just want I just want to make sure was your preference concept one. Okay. Oh, yes, you want a little concept leaning from the counts. I do because
[4:06:56] I was just good right there on Councilman Revens.
[4:07:00] One, one in show. One, one.
[4:07:04] And I just wanted to say the reason being is we want to know which direction we want to go in terms of design, and that assists us in determining potential costs trying to attack grants and things like that.
[4:07:16] Mayor said one, two, so there you go.
[4:07:18] All right, perfect. Thank you.
[4:07:33] All right.
[4:07:34] You want us to the motion away completely up to y'all you guys want to wave to the monthly
[4:07:41] Reports from the department heads in the packet. So you have those
[4:07:45] I'm in favor away if you're okay with that
[4:07:50] Everyone you guys seem want to make an emotion to I had one question. Oh, then there we go
[4:07:54] So it's not a way. I don't need your presentation. I just I just um is there any updated timeline on the ramp to assembly
[4:08:02] It's been approved, but Jay is looking to start that, well really any day because he had
[4:08:11] to go back to GDOT because of the design change and he was meeting with them, he met
[4:08:20] with him this week.
[4:08:21] Great.
[4:08:22] That's right.
[4:08:23] Thank you.
[4:08:24] Yes.
[4:08:25] It's coming.
[4:08:27] You got a question?
[4:08:28] All right, council member Nasser.
[4:08:31] My question is about the, about I know last time we spoke about the street lights.
[4:08:39] Yes.
[4:08:39] And the update on that and second question is when it will be the English Oak Park will be open officially.
[4:08:49] I'll address the street lights and as you're aware, Georgia Power doesn't do
[4:08:58] anything really fast, but we actually paid the invoice two months ago, two
[4:09:06] months ago. Georgia Power requires you to pay up front before they will get
[4:09:12] started. So we paid that. So we're on their timeline now.
[4:09:18] I appreciate those who are listening. I know those who have the question. So I hope
[4:09:22] that answered. Second about the English Oak Park.
[4:09:29] What's wrong with the English Oak Park? It's open.
[4:09:37] Well, I'm not aware of it. It's officially open or not.
[4:09:42] So I know there was the rest rooms and there was an electric line supposed to be
[4:09:47] Oh, yeah, that was yeah, that was done months ago. Okay, okay, and I also
[4:09:53] Told by some of the residents that fans is kind of leaning and that needs to be
[4:10:00] That's one of the projects for next fiscal year, October. Okay. That's all. Thank you.
[4:10:09] All right. With that, I guess we're waving the manager's report. And we'll go to council comments. Let me start with councilmember Ray.
[4:10:20] Yeah, I'll be brief. Thank you for approving the budget. I know there's a lot of work that went into that. I think it's a really positive step and some great stuff. Free recycling pilot program still going on every Saturday, eight to 10. Very excited about that.
[4:10:36] And aside from that, thanks for sticking with us through a long meeting and a
[4:10:40] particular.
[4:10:42] I'd just like to say that there's a special election for the remaining seat up
[4:10:47] here on Council and that's November 3rd, Tuesday, November 3rd.
[4:10:51] There's five great candidates out there, fine for this seat up there.
[4:10:56] So please get out, ask questions, go look, read their web pages, read their bios.
[4:11:01] You have a good part of people out there, so please check it out and know who you're voting for and what you're voting for.
[4:11:09] Thank you.
[4:11:10] Council Member Nasser.
[4:11:12] Thank you.
[4:11:13] I wanted to thank you everyone who are listening, who are watching.
[4:11:19] I'm not sure there is still time to register for a vote.
[4:11:24] If there is, please, please register for your vote.
[4:11:27] and there's an early board of starting soon and we'll update you on the website for early voting.
[4:11:37] Please don't forget to cast your ballot. Thank you.
[4:11:41] Councillor Member Hinchel.
[4:11:43] No comment, other than to say happy birthday. It had me birthday to my wife.
[4:11:47] Councillor Member Evans.
[4:11:49] Happy birthday, Kim. Thank you to our staff. There was a candidate formed tonight for this seat.
[4:11:54] So, I guess that didn't want us to be there and I'm glad that we are at one of Atlanta's
[4:12:00] healthiest employers.
[4:12:03] All right, so we are going to have an executive session for personnel litigation, real estate,
[4:12:11] cyber security, so and after our executive session we will gavill out without taking action
[4:12:18] and will not return for the meeting, so can I get a motion to enter an executive session
[4:12:23] for personnel litigation, real estate, or cyber security.
[4:12:27] I'm so sorry, so moved.
[4:12:28] Second.
[4:12:29] Councilmember Evans made the motion.
[4:12:32] Councilmember Ray, second.
[4:12:34] So have a good one.
[4:12:36] Thanks.
[4:12:40] Recording stopped.
[4:12:46] All in favor.
[4:12:47] Hi.
[4:12:47] Hi.