Good afternoon, everybody. Today's meeting we have a presentation from the folks at the
was made with some modifications and some revisions, and I would say at the end of that meeting the board said proceed with what you're going to do.
One of the elements of that was what it looked like.
And to that end, I believe the applicant has provided two versions, I guess, for lack of a better word of what it would look like.
And I was looking for some board input as to the architecturals.
In addition, he, the applicant, has submitted a stipulation,
which is intended to incorporate the various elements of this project
into a court order to settle the litigation.
I think I spoke to Mr. Murphy.
There are some concerns about the stipulation
from board members need some revisions, so the board is not going to be approving any stipulation
today.
And I have the various comments from board members that I will share with him, but I think
we should go over the architectures and if you have any other planners that, the same plan,
maybe you can bring it up in a quick public about what that is, what's all about.
And also, show the renderings and let's get a perspective from the renderings as to what
The Board and the public feels as appropriate make sense.
Sure.
Good afternoon.
We were last year, four months ago.
We were here on November 15th.
Four months ago?
Time flies.
November 15th.
And at that time, we did present an updated plan that further reduced the impervious to a 40% limit and reduced the overall square footage.
Additionally, down to plus or minus 52,000 square feet, it's that plan that is on the
easel to my right and which Scott prepared and we reviewed at length the last time.
We had gone through different considerations on impervious reducing the bike path eliminating
from calculation, the one way access in the access to the well, et cetera, but so that
hasn't changed, so we're happy to go over that again if you like. However, since then,
just right, we did exchange comments on a stipulation, Jeff provided me some specific comments
earlier today, all of which I'm going through with our client. We had no issue with the ones
that Jeff raised previously.
There's additional comments from board members though that I'll share with you tomorrow.
Okay. Well, that's fine. But at least as far as the ones you've shared with me so far, I think we're good.
Also with us today is David Pilotnik, who is the architect that has done some elevations.
We did some earlier, we got some feedback about those, and David in response has prepared
an alternate, which, again, we've circulated in small form, but David can review them in
the larger elevations that he also has here as well.
So, he'd like I'll introduce David, and he can go through that for you.
Welcome.
My name is David Pullout, and I come with PCS Architects on the Project Architects.
We need to find a way that the folks in the audience can take a look at these, because I...
Aren't they the same?
No, they're different.
Actually, they're different.
They're different.
I don't know the public.
I thought you'd hold up and haven't picked a look at, and that's version one.
sort of do the like they do with boxing matches, you know the first round
I'll tell you a little bit about the building, the building is going to be constructed of wood frame
and for the exterior materials we'll have
are you going to be mites?
So, as I have saying, the buildings are constructed of wood frame, and they have wood
trusses, basically the exterior walls would be constructed of wood.
The exterior material would be on the end path you can see on the end.
and use these two renderers to pretty similar,
but that the ends and the base will have so in the air.
And the group would be an actual chain up,
and there would be some use of some metal groups
in some of the pages you can see
before we're here to have a metal group.
There also we'd be using some side up,
there's a sign-dance, and there'll be some wood trends
on vertical side, and you can see we made use
of the couple on the buildings.
like what I do is like going to love a work here just to show you some materials that we
used that we would be thinking about, the representative materials that we would be using.
And these are the colors or not. That's certainly the colors that we would be using
but we would try to stay within Earth and then the colors I get.
Well, if you could, so the residents, if you could just use their water.
they're they're they're oriented you're going to have to get to a mic to go to a
mic or saw them please because most of the people you know kind of know where
some of these buildings are but I believe this is coming from 263 this is the
building that's going to be next to where the lamp factory is and that is going to
the CVS, if that's how I take it. I'm going to be talking to you right here. It would be
yeah it would be helpful for people to kind of know where those buildings are going to be situated
on the property. I'm going to go to use a lot of the better behind or something here.
Well that's what I'm just talking to you for here. You see that building, you see that building
on the background. The difference between the two random things is that one shows
I have to admit that I said to Mr. Murphy, when I first saw that rendering, it seemed like a awful
expanse of roof line, straight after each other, and I said, maybe you can do something that
provide a little more colonial and break up with a roof.
So if it's ugly, then it's my fault, but that maybe what was produced as a result of those
comments.
It looks great, like the dormers, the dormers, yes, they look like they belong on a trackhouse and
Northeast Philly.
They don't look like real dormers to me.
They look like they're like something from the 70s.
No offense.
You know what I'm saying?
They're not like real dormers.
Well, you know, they could be back when they could be made and look like, you know, they're
back that space up there and that's not a problem to do things like that.
I guess the first question is,
it's elevated.
It's not, it's not.
You know what I'm saying?
So the question I guess is, do you prefer some
break-up of the roof line or does the board
in the public prefer that straight roof line that goes
all the way back in the man's system?
Some direction would be appropriate.
I think the dormer is a nice idea.
I think they look like they belong there.
I don't know. I just just putting them on there to break the roof line doesn't make sense to me.
Yeah. I mean, I noticed the roof line originally, but after you say it, Jeff, now it does look like I think something to break it up, doesn't it?
No offense to you. They're very nice renderers. They're very nice renderers.
And maybe the dormers have to see more that for that to that window.
Maybe six over six or something else that gives a little more of a, as opposed just a piece of glass and sort of squatted down like you're in an old polka mill property or something.
You know, like the northeastern.
Same difference.
All right, so everyone's kind of okay with the rendering, just a question, so are you suggesting that all the buildings would have the same look and feel?
Yes, the CVS and everything was a CVS would be further over, right, so that will look the same.
every one of them will have that okay and I guess the board should have some input and
what the preferences of the stone work and the and the roof material. So if I think you
had a board somewhere with that in it. This is a board of some representatives in the material. It's
really doesn't really reflect the colors, but the stone patterns, you know, with the finish of the
that would be routine goals from the vertical in the horizontal side of the side that would be using.
The need for the materials that would be on the buildings.
Is the rendering to pick any of those that are in your board, or they just do not?
I'm doing that now.
It's quite me as well.
I mean, here's this would be the sum.
It would be the value of that grouping that we talked about.
This would be the actual chain goal.
Well, it's hard to get it signed in with the stock out and, you know, we had a little
donor back up here, which would have some size in there.
So yeah.
The buzz of the board, whether you want to weigh in on the materials or not, I mean, it's really
up to you folks.
You know, tonight, as we go forward, I think we should have something like that.
I think you do.
You're the architects and you're the designer.
You pick your best thing, what you think is most appropriate and we'll look at the
We have an injection more than you know, but it seems like you have pretty good taste
Yeah, maybe you can just do what you do the final mix of options on the same
The way it looks is going to be fine, and we'll be tweaking as we go, but I think the general look is good.
Anybody out there want to weigh in on this now?
Seeing nobody's here.
Mr. Murphy, I just wanted to prime the get out.
I'm not going to be wanting to approach any stipulation until most of the development work is done.
I think there are just too many open-ended issues in here,
If this and that, and then we shall do this sort of thing, we shall do that thing.
I think that there's no off-site impact fees.
I think it's a little too early, and I still don't know what happened to all the trees.
One of the comments I said to Mr. Murphy was, we have an old agreement that we have to
deal with.
But there was some evidence to restore some trees and whatever.
I think we need that.
I look forward looking for more than just that to be attached to this part.
Well, as I said, Jeff and I reviewed a handful of things, including this thing, for
of you mentioned, and we're happy to include those in a revised draft of the stipulation.
And we spoke about the outside impact fee, needing to include the terms and additions
of the prior settlement with which we were not in Bob, but that involves the tree replacement
issue.
Who happy to do that?
No, okay.
Well, fine.
We know that this isn't going to be executed, well, some of the British members.
Correct.
And soon as Jeff, if there's other issues of which I'm on a wear, I'll do it with those things.
Board says fine and we air it publicly will make the boards, I think it's expressed their opinion into plan and was satisfactory.
Right.
Matter of funding up the loose ends and getting some things taken there of and incorporating architectures and all the things that are part of that process.
But if you indicate, for example, number two, minor shifting of a location, I don't know what that is.
We have, we've got the word, Shaolin here within 30 business days, and that always makes me nervous.
That's the challenge of Shaolin doing something within a time term.
We Shaolin through the final land development, if it's substantially complies with all aspects of this distillation, that also makes me nervous.
I think there's a little too much on us to be doing here.
We should use our best efforts to improve the pollining modules.
And then that we don't have any way of looking at off-site impact fees.
It's necessary.
I think that's something I'm not willing to give up at this point.
And we're not asking you to.
Well, I know it's in here.
No.
Well, Jeff and I spoke today.
Okay.
Yesterday.
I didn't get a chance to tell on my.
And then 15 is a third party time state.
And in litigation, I don't know at this point whether I hopefully know what it would do
that.
But we really don't have any control of the third party in your interventions.
And whether we would have to help you defend those I'm not sure I'm willing to go into that.
I'm always stipulation discipline.
So those are the general and my things.
And I have Mr. Sniders that I'll share with you in Mr. Collellis and other more members so
Question for the file I can retrieve the issue we should get, flush it out.
If I understand everything that maybe is stretched but can we delay the stipulated agreement
like barbers saying, so you get a little finer detail relying on the good faith of the board
that we're, you know, amenable to going along and then it will flush out some of these
if and then's that is that doable well and billbanners here representing Mr. Grasso as
well as he was last time what I would say to that is that the prospect of now re-engineering
another plan without having the comfort level of a document that we're all going to abide by
unsure will make Mr. Grasso uncomfortable use important work if we're all operating in good faith
that we can move ahead on this or whatever additional comments that I hear from Jeff tomorrow
of the next day.
And maybe we can talk about that.
But the whole point of doing this was to try to give everyone the comfort that you're going
to get what we all intend to provide to you, which is that plan plus whatever details and
everything else we have to spell out.
So I guess that is a question, Rick, that we probably-
What are things where we all have to-
They don't want to spend a whole lot of money on engineering, which would be significant if they
don't feel that there's a-
I like it. He has a tunnel and that somebody comes back and says, no, I want something else.
So it's one of those things that most of our comments are not about architectural engineering things.
It is about, you know, fundamental.
Yeah. I mean, it's not about the dude with anything that's stormwater, but they've got to apply with the ordinance.
We're going to think. We know that. Yeah.
So if they are the same character of the comments that I've already heard from Jeff.
I don't think that's going to be a stomach block.
We just want you to know that there's some uncertainty because and what I make sure that
this is precise is can be that your commitments are reduced to writing and that the plan
is consistent with what's been presented.
And we support all those.
I'm good with all those.
So I feel pretty confident that that's the case that we're going to be able to come up with something
that gives everybody enough comfort to move ahead because we want to move ahead.
We're anxious to move ahead.
Can we now send any questions or comments from the board? Any questions or comments from the folks here?
Neighbors.
Okay. Do you have enough direction? Sort of?
I guess.
Hopefully.
I hope I'm actually here to talk to Jeff and see if there's any other issues of which we are unaware of.
Okay, any other visitors or public comments.
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Next slide, when the agenda is approval of the minutes from December 16, 2016, regular meeting of the board.
Okay. Any questions, comments, corrections? All in favour?
Aye. Aye. One abstent? One abstent? You were on our zone.
So, they did watch the meeting. I like the record to show.
I did watch the meeting.
And the minutes? The minutes were.
Reflected, what I saw on television.
So, is it anything?
I'd let report at this moment.
And then the touch of editor, I have a few things. First, I have a memo on training for the APM conference for my self-enotum to attend and then for myself to attend the P-Sats conference with the board.
I see that you're going to try and learn something about drones with special, you know, potential ordinances, drafts.
It's going to probably come on this kind of conference for us, okay, is there a motion to approve the request for training?
So move, second.
All in favor.
All right.
Thank you.
Setting the work budget session.
Thank you.
Yes.
The way the means to meeting that and I want to do that spring budget work session like we did last year.
And pretty sure we have a little discussion before the meeting that the date starts is April
12, which believes that Tuesday, not Thursday, and then Tuesday June 14th, and it probably
will.
Well, this is Tuesday.
And Thursday, June 14th or four, is everyone okay with those two days waiting to make
them or not?
I'm okay.
I just want to comment about the 12th, because Sean, I mean, he's going to become into the
ways of means, parking, wreck, and EAC, which is like six, seven straight hours.
So?
I'm just bringing it up.
Have a problem with that, Sean?
I appreciate it. If there's any compassion on the board, you could pack me like a lunch or meal.
That's four o'clock. Yeah, I don't be a person and I'll be a long time.
Yeah, well, not getting into this.
Okay, but that's seriously. It's a long day for you.
It's a long day for you.
Both states are good? Yes.
We'll let the ways we need to meet you now.
We'll get that every kind of.
June 14th at 4.
June 14th.
All right.
Next item is this snow.
Show no.
Fair.
Show no.
Yes.
The board will recall that we had advertised through the piece
That's magazine twice for the sale of the show will be all.
We actually had the burrow of Sair, which is on the New York border.
Come down.
Look at it.
Mr. Snyder had to be here the day that they were here, so he got to meet them.
They absolutely loved the show reveal and their board is their council, excuse me, their borough council.
There's a February 25th approved the purchase of the show reveal for $10,000, which was our minimum fit on that.
And our recommendation would be for us to go ahead and sell it to the borough of Sayer.
have Mr. Garton prepared the appropriate documentation.
This is blind to execute it and when it's prepared and then they'll come down and pick it up
and we will make sure when they come will transfer the tags and everything like that while they're here.
I did draft it and I will be sending it out to all the board members tomorrow for your
I'm sorry you've heard the sound right you'll prove offering it for sale, but not to sale to say or
I make a motion we approve the sale to say a second then. Okay, all in favor. All right. All right, I'm sorry. Thank you
I'm coming to the supervisor Sean
No, I've had no
Meetings except for the Decado Conference and Saturday. So I'll defer thank you. No comment. Okay. Okay. I get the accumulator time. I
That's just that three things.
At the pension meeting, it was brought up about with our two experts, Deborah and Jim Kennedy,
that our MMO is not going to basically change much.
It's going to be much more than $300,000, that's an example.
So the recommendation was if our cash flow permitted it to put in $50,000 now because they can do, in most cases, better with the $50,000, then we can do in a 1% CD where it is now.
So their recommendation was to see if the cash flow could advance or not advance but pay in advance $50,000.
And the pension board unanimously approved that.
So I'm bringing it here saying if the consensus is to have the Stephanie and Ken Snyder and Ken Wallace or whoever,
to take a look at that and see if the cash flow can support sending in extra amount of dollars.
Well, we have a ways of means meeting, I don't know the April 12th, is that should we have a
fall budget reported at that time, where's it too long to wait?
We could analyze it between now and then and have it reported then and you could
take an action or be an advertised meeting if we need to, because we don't have to
them a moment until such a journey.
Is that work?
Yeah, and I wouldn't think we'd take very long to.
I agree.
Okay, my second thing is I'm a reasonably intelligent person. I'll start with that and I've read this EMS letter from Chuck a few times and I honestly don't quite understand it
And then the next step is he's looking for a support. So I don't know what I don't know what
What you know the balancing
A billing by anybody
I thought it was a confusing request to Chuck Fussler as they had the CVM meal and he's looking for something, make up money.
The loss there, I'm not quite sure what it is, you know.
We can ask for more content, we can ask for content.
The board wants to help them, that's fine.
I just don't understand.
Yeah, I think he's looking for support.
There's legislation that's pending as well.
And then this balance billing thing, which is, I guess,
then the Pennsylvania insurance commission is saying
that they don't, they won't be able to balance bill
on an ambulance ride.
So typically, if they're not certain portion isn't covered
if it's 600 and they only get 300,
they want to balance bill the other 300 to the insured.
I think he's just asking for the work.
Not necessarily our financial skills work.
Yeah, that's how we do that.
No, that's how I read it.
Yeah, no no, no.
You don't have to share a ready to?
Does he want to suspend, what do you want us to do?
Right.
What kind of support?
Yeah, exactly.
What for?
Third thing is, as I mentioned, I watched him eat, and I think, Shawn mentioned that the
parking wreck is looking to do some additions and maybe I'll say, cosmetics, that's probably
not a fair thing.
For the amphitheatre, I would like to see before I get to that step, where were
at with the amphitheatre?
What's what's what's profit in loss? What's our sheet? What we have planned for this year?
I mean, I speak people give us donations and we still have a fiduciary responsibility to spend those donations properly and I can't
Vote for that unless you get some clarity on
How many events? How they're doing is it going to be you mean repitalized me, right?
I'm not voting on anything. I'm asking for Sean to ask to regard that you go ask me
Yeah, I think that was to mention that there was still a sponsorship opportunity that they
are available.
But going forward, I know Parkal Red currently is working on both of the list, a punch list,
prioritizing those, you know, what still, but they still want to accomplish, you know, improvements
and such on the community as well as a schedule for the concert series.
So they're looking at both sides, habits and credits, you know, what they still want to do
and other fundraising opportunities as well.
And the schedule, so I think we can get a report from the next park and wreck what they have planned for instance.
They've expanded that series such a concert.
All right, and they've added some additional events or shows and concerts.
And there's still some others that they're talking about now.
Although the window is closing for sponsors to get on like on the printed material and everything.
You know, because they have to go to print soon. There's still that's still expanding the venues for the rest of the year
So we can try to get that from the night. I mean, I'm not if you could do if you want to bring a great if Karen wants to stop by for five minutes
That's great. I just bring it to the meeting on the in the ways of being unable for June
We have it already. I'm good whenever
Yeah, you know me here. There's time frames for some kind of report if they're ready. I mean, especially if they want to do some work during the summer
You're suggesting that at the April 12th meeting, that was a means committee meeting or the other was a means committee.
The April 12th or the June 14th.
Okay.
Whenever they're ready for it.
Yes, I'm ready for it.
It's fine.
Thank you.
That's all I have.
Thank you.
Nothing for this one.
Thank you.
All right.
Moving on to the long maintenance did for 2016.
You memo from Dick John.
Any questions?
The recommendation is to prove one-year-long maintenance extension.
Now, rating increase with green landscape contractors for $114,520.
I'll make that motion.
I'll second questions on favor.
I can tap grant.
Yes.
This is a form of policy that we need to approve resolution
that will designate three people from the township that will review the inspection and construction management from.
This is all part of the tap grant will be paid for by the 1 million point two tap grant.
But it is policy that has to be put into our electronic data management program with PENDA.
And this will be working with DVRPC, the Delaware Valley Regional Planning Commission,
and setting this up and selecting a construction management engineering company to oversee that project.
And so that is what the resolution sets for three of those people being the bidding system.
First of all, we'll be done through the RFP system. We'll be done through the PEN.com ECMS program, the electronic management,
and then they'll be selected in all of the paid forth through the tap grant.
Sir, may you stand there, request?
Sir, may you do for the resolution?
Why do you identify who are the three people just so that?
Definitely, may some would be serving as from the township manager,
does not need to take John, his director of operations, and then Tom Kalsos, the White and
High Community Voluntary.
I'll make that motion a second.
All in favour?
Egel's Capacamation for Caldha, David Roberts.
2nd number 71, is your motion to approve the Proclamation?
So moved.
All in favour?
Kiles Court of Honor is April 10, 2016.
He did the ADA accessible pedestrian bridge at Peace Valley Park.
So, when you walk over, I think I'll have an Eagle Scout project.
I wonder if I can.
All right.
Our next item on the agenda is our announcements.
We are done.
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Is there any other business?
No.
Here you know, we are Jones.
Thank you very much.
There are things to sign.
To see you all.