1 00:00:17,610 --> 00:00:37,350 Good afternoon, everybody. Today's meeting we have a presentation from the folks at the 2 00:00:37,350 --> 00:00:47,030 was made with some modifications and some revisions, and I would say at the end of that meeting the board said proceed with what you're going to do. 3 00:00:47,910 --> 00:00:50,970 One of the elements of that was what it looked like. 4 00:00:53,250 --> 00:01:02,530 And to that end, I believe the applicant has provided two versions, I guess, for lack of a better word of what it would look like. 5 00:01:02,530 --> 00:01:07,650 And I was looking for some board input as to the architecturals. 6 00:01:08,670 --> 00:01:13,270 In addition, he, the applicant, has submitted a stipulation, 7 00:01:13,590 --> 00:01:19,650 which is intended to incorporate the various elements of this project 8 00:01:19,650 --> 00:01:22,430 into a court order to settle the litigation. 9 00:01:23,710 --> 00:01:26,510 I think I spoke to Mr. Murphy. 10 00:01:27,290 --> 00:01:30,050 There are some concerns about the stipulation 11 00:01:30,050 --> 00:01:35,610 from board members need some revisions, so the board is not going to be approving any stipulation 12 00:01:35,610 --> 00:01:36,450 today. 13 00:01:37,810 --> 00:01:41,470 And I have the various comments from board members that I will share with him, but I think 14 00:01:41,470 --> 00:01:47,230 we should go over the architectures and if you have any other planners that, the same plan, 15 00:01:47,550 --> 00:01:51,710 maybe you can bring it up in a quick public about what that is, what's all about. 16 00:01:52,550 --> 00:01:56,950 And also, show the renderings and let's get a perspective from the renderings as to what 17 00:01:56,950 --> 00:02:01,990 The Board and the public feels as appropriate make sense. 18 00:02:02,930 --> 00:02:03,410 Sure. 19 00:02:05,110 --> 00:02:05,530 Good afternoon. 20 00:02:06,150 --> 00:02:07,850 We were last year, four months ago. 21 00:02:07,950 --> 00:02:09,250 We were here on November 15th. 22 00:02:09,250 --> 00:02:10,330 Four months ago? 23 00:02:10,390 --> 00:02:11,090 Time flies. 24 00:02:11,590 --> 00:02:12,950 November 15th. 25 00:02:14,650 --> 00:02:25,790 And at that time, we did present an updated plan that further reduced the impervious to a 40% limit and reduced the overall square footage. 26 00:02:27,030 --> 00:02:34,830 Additionally, down to plus or minus 52,000 square feet, it's that plan that is on the 27 00:02:34,830 --> 00:02:40,990 easel to my right and which Scott prepared and we reviewed at length the last time. 28 00:02:41,430 --> 00:02:47,230 We had gone through different considerations on impervious reducing the bike path eliminating 29 00:02:47,230 --> 00:02:54,350 from calculation, the one way access in the access to the well, et cetera, but so that 30 00:02:54,350 --> 00:02:59,410 hasn't changed, so we're happy to go over that again if you like. However, since then, 31 00:02:59,570 --> 00:03:06,290 just right, we did exchange comments on a stipulation, Jeff provided me some specific comments 32 00:03:06,290 --> 00:03:12,490 earlier today, all of which I'm going through with our client. We had no issue with the ones 33 00:03:12,490 --> 00:03:13,990 that Jeff raised previously. 34 00:03:14,110 --> 00:03:17,290 There's additional comments from board members though that I'll share with you tomorrow. 35 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:22,830 Okay. Well, that's fine. But at least as far as the ones you've shared with me so far, I think we're good. 36 00:03:23,730 --> 00:03:29,950 Also with us today is David Pilotnik, who is the architect that has done some elevations. 37 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:37,090 We did some earlier, we got some feedback about those, and David in response has prepared 38 00:03:37,090 --> 00:03:43,070 an alternate, which, again, we've circulated in small form, but David can review them in 39 00:03:43,070 --> 00:03:45,470 the larger elevations that he also has here as well. 40 00:03:46,150 --> 00:03:49,050 So, he'd like I'll introduce David, and he can go through that for you. 41 00:03:49,850 --> 00:03:50,290 Welcome. 42 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,920 My name is David Pullout, and I come with PCS Architects on the Project Architects. 43 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,620 We need to find a way that the folks in the audience can take a look at these, because I... 44 00:04:04,620 --> 00:04:05,400 Aren't they the same? 45 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:06,500 No, they're different. 46 00:04:06,740 --> 00:04:07,440 Actually, they're different. 47 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:08,340 They're different. 48 00:04:08,860 --> 00:04:08,980 They're different. 49 00:04:08,980 --> 00:04:09,000 They're different. 50 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:10,380 They're different. 51 00:04:10,380 --> 00:04:14,880 I don't know the public. 52 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,080 I thought you'd hold up and haven't picked a look at, and that's version one. 53 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:23,600 sort of do the like they do with boxing matches, you know the first round 54 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,560 I'll tell you a little bit about the building, the building is going to be constructed of wood frame 55 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,940 and for the exterior materials we'll have 56 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,220 are you going to be mites? 57 00:05:07,780 --> 00:05:13,760 So, as I have saying, the buildings are constructed of wood frame, and they have wood 58 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:18,400 trusses, basically the exterior walls would be constructed of wood. 59 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:24,240 The exterior material would be on the end path you can see on the end. 60 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,640 and use these two renderers to pretty similar, 61 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:32,140 but that the ends and the base will have so in the air. 62 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,100 And the group would be an actual chain up, 63 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,300 and there would be some use of some metal groups 64 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:39,020 in some of the pages you can see 65 00:05:39,020 --> 00:05:41,640 before we're here to have a metal group. 66 00:05:41,780 --> 00:05:44,340 There also we'd be using some side up, 67 00:05:44,540 --> 00:05:47,420 there's a sign-dance, and there'll be some wood trends 68 00:05:47,420 --> 00:05:50,780 on vertical side, and you can see we made use 69 00:05:50,780 --> 00:05:52,200 of the couple on the buildings. 70 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:58,240 like what I do is like going to love a work here just to show you some materials that we 71 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:04,900 used that we would be thinking about, the representative materials that we would be using. 72 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:09,140 And these are the colors or not. That's certainly the colors that we would be using 73 00:06:09,140 --> 00:06:13,040 but we would try to stay within Earth and then the colors I get. 74 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:18,260 Well, if you could, so the residents, if you could just use their water. 75 00:06:19,340 --> 00:06:27,100 they're they're they're oriented you're going to have to get to a mic to go to a 76 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:35,290 mic or saw them please because most of the people you know kind of know where 77 00:06:35,290 --> 00:06:40,590 some of these buildings are but I believe this is coming from 263 this is the 78 00:06:40,590 --> 00:06:46,730 building that's going to be next to where the lamp factory is and that is going to 79 00:06:46,730 --> 00:06:52,150 the CVS, if that's how I take it. I'm going to be talking to you right here. It would be 80 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:56,270 yeah it would be helpful for people to kind of know where those buildings are going to be situated 81 00:06:56,270 --> 00:07:00,810 on the property. I'm going to go to use a lot of the better behind or something here. 82 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:14,700 Well that's what I'm just talking to you for here. You see that building, you see that building 83 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:22,620 on the background. The difference between the two random things is that one shows 84 00:07:27,020 --> 00:07:35,900 I have to admit that I said to Mr. Murphy, when I first saw that rendering, it seemed like a awful 85 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:41,100 expanse of roof line, straight after each other, and I said, maybe you can do something that 86 00:07:41,100 --> 00:07:43,100 provide a little more colonial and break up with a roof. 87 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,060 So if it's ugly, then it's my fault, but that maybe what was produced as a result of those 88 00:07:48,060 --> 00:07:48,460 comments. 89 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:56,840 It looks great, like the dormers, the dormers, yes, they look like they belong on a trackhouse and 90 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:57,700 Northeast Philly. 91 00:08:00,230 --> 00:08:01,470 They don't look like real dormers to me. 92 00:08:01,490 --> 00:08:03,250 They look like they're like something from the 70s. 93 00:08:03,930 --> 00:08:04,530 No offense. 94 00:08:05,210 --> 00:08:05,530 No offense. 95 00:08:05,790 --> 00:08:06,350 You know what I'm saying? 96 00:08:06,870 --> 00:08:08,010 They're not like real dormers. 97 00:08:09,090 --> 00:08:13,530 Well, you know, they could be back when they could be made and look like, you know, they're 98 00:08:13,530 --> 00:08:17,870 back that space up there and that's not a problem to do things like that. 99 00:08:17,870 --> 00:08:20,810 I guess the first question is, 100 00:08:20,810 --> 00:08:22,330 it's elevated. 101 00:08:23,890 --> 00:08:25,670 It's not, it's not. 102 00:08:26,530 --> 00:08:27,230 You know what I'm saying? 103 00:08:27,410 --> 00:08:29,770 So the question I guess is, do you prefer some 104 00:08:29,770 --> 00:08:32,230 break-up of the roof line or does the board 105 00:08:32,230 --> 00:08:34,890 in the public prefer that straight roof line that goes 106 00:08:34,890 --> 00:08:36,890 all the way back in the man's system? 107 00:08:38,090 --> 00:08:39,530 Some direction would be appropriate. 108 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:43,330 I think the dormer is a nice idea. 109 00:08:44,210 --> 00:08:45,930 I think they look like they belong there. 110 00:08:45,930 --> 00:08:50,090 I don't know. I just just putting them on there to break the roof line doesn't make sense to me. 111 00:08:50,510 --> 00:09:00,790 Yeah. I mean, I noticed the roof line originally, but after you say it, Jeff, now it does look like I think something to break it up, doesn't it? 112 00:09:03,130 --> 00:09:07,290 No offense to you. They're very nice renderers. They're very nice renderers. 113 00:09:11,630 --> 00:09:15,750 And maybe the dormers have to see more that for that to that window. 114 00:09:17,430 --> 00:09:27,830 Maybe six over six or something else that gives a little more of a, as opposed just a piece of glass and sort of squatted down like you're in an old polka mill property or something. 115 00:09:28,970 --> 00:09:29,830 You know, like the northeastern. 116 00:09:30,250 --> 00:09:31,470 Same difference. 117 00:09:39,470 --> 00:09:49,890 All right, so everyone's kind of okay with the rendering, just a question, so are you suggesting that all the buildings would have the same look and feel? 118 00:09:50,390 --> 00:09:55,910 Yes, the CVS and everything was a CVS would be further over, right, so that will look the same. 119 00:09:55,910 --> 00:10:05,610 every one of them will have that okay and I guess the board should have some input and 120 00:10:05,610 --> 00:10:11,330 what the preferences of the stone work and the and the roof material. So if I think you 121 00:10:11,330 --> 00:10:15,830 had a board somewhere with that in it. This is a board of some representatives in the material. It's 122 00:10:15,830 --> 00:10:22,130 really doesn't really reflect the colors, but the stone patterns, you know, with the finish of the 123 00:10:22,130 --> 00:10:29,390 that would be routine goals from the vertical in the horizontal side of the side that would be using. 124 00:10:30,810 --> 00:10:33,810 The need for the materials that would be on the buildings. 125 00:10:34,810 --> 00:10:38,410 Is the rendering to pick any of those that are in your board, or they just do not? 126 00:10:38,570 --> 00:10:39,290 I'm doing that now. 127 00:10:39,610 --> 00:10:40,310 It's quite me as well. 128 00:10:40,830 --> 00:10:43,630 I mean, here's this would be the sum. 129 00:10:43,850 --> 00:10:46,170 It would be the value of that grouping that we talked about. 130 00:10:46,950 --> 00:10:48,350 This would be the actual chain goal. 131 00:10:48,350 --> 00:10:54,930 Well, it's hard to get it signed in with the stock out and, you know, we had a little 132 00:10:54,930 --> 00:10:58,330 donor back up here, which would have some size in there. 133 00:11:00,210 --> 00:11:01,010 So yeah. 134 00:11:01,770 --> 00:11:04,970 The buzz of the board, whether you want to weigh in on the materials or not, I mean, it's really 135 00:11:04,970 --> 00:11:06,250 up to you folks. 136 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,340 You know, tonight, as we go forward, I think we should have something like that. 137 00:11:13,340 --> 00:11:14,520 I think you do. 138 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,120 You're the architects and you're the designer. 139 00:11:16,380 --> 00:11:20,180 You pick your best thing, what you think is most appropriate and we'll look at the 140 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:24,160 We have an injection more than you know, but it seems like you have pretty good taste 141 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,880 Yeah, maybe you can just do what you do the final mix of options on the same 142 00:11:50,820 --> 00:11:57,320 The way it looks is going to be fine, and we'll be tweaking as we go, but I think the general look is good. 143 00:11:58,420 --> 00:12:00,380 Anybody out there want to weigh in on this now? 144 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:01,600 Seeing nobody's here. 145 00:12:03,100 --> 00:12:05,220 Mr. Murphy, I just wanted to prime the get out. 146 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:12,420 I'm not going to be wanting to approach any stipulation until most of the development work is done. 147 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,480 I think there are just too many open-ended issues in here, 148 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,660 If this and that, and then we shall do this sort of thing, we shall do that thing. 149 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,800 I think that there's no off-site impact fees. 150 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,120 I think it's a little too early, and I still don't know what happened to all the trees. 151 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:35,400 One of the comments I said to Mr. Murphy was, we have an old agreement that we have to 152 00:12:37,420 --> 00:12:38,640 deal with. 153 00:12:39,140 --> 00:12:43,080 But there was some evidence to restore some trees and whatever. 154 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:44,360 I think we need that. 155 00:12:44,380 --> 00:12:48,180 I look forward looking for more than just that to be attached to this part. 156 00:12:48,180 --> 00:12:52,300 Well, as I said, Jeff and I reviewed a handful of things, including this thing, for 157 00:12:52,300 --> 00:12:56,700 of you mentioned, and we're happy to include those in a revised draft of the stipulation. 158 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,020 And we spoke about the outside impact fee, needing to include the terms and additions 159 00:13:02,020 --> 00:13:06,480 of the prior settlement with which we were not in Bob, but that involves the tree replacement 160 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:06,840 issue. 161 00:13:06,860 --> 00:13:07,720 Who happy to do that? 162 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:08,440 No, okay. 163 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:09,820 Well, fine. 164 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,960 We know that this isn't going to be executed, well, some of the British members. 165 00:13:15,300 --> 00:13:15,600 Correct. 166 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,860 And soon as Jeff, if there's other issues of which I'm on a wear, I'll do it with those things. 167 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:27,820 Board says fine and we air it publicly will make the boards, I think it's expressed their opinion into plan and was satisfactory. 168 00:13:28,100 --> 00:13:28,420 Right. 169 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:36,600 Matter of funding up the loose ends and getting some things taken there of and incorporating architectures and all the things that are part of that process. 170 00:13:37,180 --> 00:13:44,020 But if you indicate, for example, number two, minor shifting of a location, I don't know what that is. 171 00:13:45,220 --> 00:13:52,200 We have, we've got the word, Shaolin here within 30 business days, and that always makes me nervous. 172 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,320 That's the challenge of Shaolin doing something within a time term. 173 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:04,160 We Shaolin through the final land development, if it's substantially complies with all aspects of this distillation, that also makes me nervous. 174 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,840 I think there's a little too much on us to be doing here. 175 00:14:07,900 --> 00:14:10,980 We should use our best efforts to improve the pollining modules. 176 00:14:11,460 --> 00:14:16,340 And then that we don't have any way of looking at off-site impact fees. 177 00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:17,040 It's necessary. 178 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,560 I think that's something I'm not willing to give up at this point. 179 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,180 And we're not asking you to. 180 00:14:22,900 --> 00:14:24,060 Well, I know it's in here. 181 00:14:24,220 --> 00:14:24,520 No. 182 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,160 Well, Jeff and I spoke today. 183 00:14:26,180 --> 00:14:26,560 Okay. 184 00:14:27,740 --> 00:14:28,000 Yesterday. 185 00:14:28,300 --> 00:14:29,700 I didn't get a chance to tell on my. 186 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,680 And then 15 is a third party time state. 187 00:14:35,460 --> 00:14:39,980 And in litigation, I don't know at this point whether I hopefully know what it would do 188 00:14:39,980 --> 00:14:40,260 that. 189 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:45,160 But we really don't have any control of the third party in your interventions. 190 00:14:46,060 --> 00:14:51,280 And whether we would have to help you defend those I'm not sure I'm willing to go into that. 191 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:52,800 I'm always stipulation discipline. 192 00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:55,180 So those are the general and my things. 193 00:14:55,180 --> 00:14:59,980 And I have Mr. Sniders that I'll share with you in Mr. Collellis and other more members so 194 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,460 Question for the file I can retrieve the issue we should get, flush it out. 195 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:17,040 If I understand everything that maybe is stretched but can we delay the stipulated agreement 196 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:23,220 like barbers saying, so you get a little finer detail relying on the good faith of the board 197 00:15:23,220 --> 00:15:29,620 that we're, you know, amenable to going along and then it will flush out some of these 198 00:15:29,620 --> 00:15:38,140 if and then's that is that doable well and billbanners here representing Mr. Grasso as 199 00:15:38,140 --> 00:15:43,760 well as he was last time what I would say to that is that the prospect of now re-engineering 200 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:51,980 another plan without having the comfort level of a document that we're all going to abide by 201 00:15:51,980 --> 00:15:58,380 unsure will make Mr. Grasso uncomfortable use important work if we're all operating in good faith 202 00:15:58,380 --> 00:16:03,180 that we can move ahead on this or whatever additional comments that I hear from Jeff tomorrow 203 00:16:03,180 --> 00:16:04,380 of the next day. 204 00:16:04,620 --> 00:16:05,840 And maybe we can talk about that. 205 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:09,480 But the whole point of doing this was to try to give everyone the comfort that you're going 206 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:14,940 to get what we all intend to provide to you, which is that plan plus whatever details and 207 00:16:14,940 --> 00:16:16,360 everything else we have to spell out. 208 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,200 So I guess that is a question, Rick, that we probably- 209 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,020 What are things where we all have to- 210 00:16:21,020 --> 00:16:24,720 They don't want to spend a whole lot of money on engineering, which would be significant if they 211 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,580 don't feel that there's a- 212 00:16:26,580 --> 00:16:30,780 I like it. He has a tunnel and that somebody comes back and says, no, I want something else. 213 00:16:31,020 --> 00:16:36,300 So it's one of those things that most of our comments are not about architectural engineering things. 214 00:16:36,740 --> 00:16:38,420 It is about, you know, fundamental. 215 00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:43,080 Yeah. I mean, it's not about the dude with anything that's stormwater, but they've got to apply with the ordinance. 216 00:16:43,580 --> 00:16:45,160 We're going to think. We know that. Yeah. 217 00:16:45,860 --> 00:16:49,680 So if they are the same character of the comments that I've already heard from Jeff. 218 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,060 I don't think that's going to be a stomach block. 219 00:16:53,060 --> 00:16:57,980 We just want you to know that there's some uncertainty because and what I make sure that 220 00:16:57,980 --> 00:17:03,180 this is precise is can be that your commitments are reduced to writing and that the plan 221 00:17:03,180 --> 00:17:04,760 is consistent with what's been presented. 222 00:17:05,220 --> 00:17:06,520 And we support all those. 223 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:08,120 I'm good with all those. 224 00:17:08,260 --> 00:17:11,700 So I feel pretty confident that that's the case that we're going to be able to come up with something 225 00:17:11,700 --> 00:17:15,600 that gives everybody enough comfort to move ahead because we want to move ahead. 226 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,120 We're anxious to move ahead. 227 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:23,080 Can we now send any questions or comments from the board? Any questions or comments from the folks here? 228 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:24,180 Neighbors. 229 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,920 Okay. Do you have enough direction? Sort of? 230 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:29,640 I guess. 231 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:31,060 Hopefully. 232 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:38,580 I hope I'm actually here to talk to Jeff and see if there's any other issues of which we are unaware of. 233 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,220 Okay, any other visitors or public comments. 234 00:17:56,340 --> 00:18:00,180 Next meeting of us board is Tuesday, March 15th at 7pm. 235 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,900 Daylight savings times everybody is March 13th. 236 00:18:04,940 --> 00:18:06,500 You have to set your clocks ahead. 237 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:07,540 You lose an hour. 238 00:18:07,860 --> 00:18:08,800 That's Sunday morning. 239 00:18:09,380 --> 00:18:16,080 Washington D.C. Cherry Blossom Trip is April 2nd, it's $50,000 a person. You can sign up at 240 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:23,060 dosairect.com. Red Cross Spring Blood Drive is Monday, April 11th, 227, the activity center. 241 00:18:23,460 --> 00:18:27,640 You can sign up at RedCrossBlood.org. 242 00:18:28,180 --> 00:18:33,480 The dosairect community garden survey is available on our website. We're thinking about doing 243 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,300 a community garden and we want to make sure everyone has an opportunity to wait in on it. 244 00:18:37,300 --> 00:18:42,300 It would be down in the neighborhood of the Lower Stigland Parkway. 245 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,520 There's an area of tank or parcel that we acquired in open space. 246 00:18:46,860 --> 00:18:52,520 We're looking at, perhaps, in any garden, but we want to do unless there's an interesting, you know, folks participating. 247 00:18:53,340 --> 00:18:59,060 And then, movie and ski tickets are available, contact the admin offices for the prices and what is in the available. 248 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:05,820 Next slide, when the agenda is approval of the minutes from December 16, 2016, regular meeting of the board. 249 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,040 Okay. Any questions, comments, corrections? All in favour? 250 00:19:13,580 --> 00:19:17,960 Aye. Aye. One abstent? One abstent? You were on our zone. 251 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,400 So, they did watch the meeting. I like the record to show. 252 00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:22,660 I did watch the meeting. 253 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,400 And the minutes? The minutes were. 254 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,300 Reflected, what I saw on television. 255 00:19:29,900 --> 00:19:30,660 So, is it anything? 256 00:19:30,820 --> 00:19:32,400 I'd let report at this moment. 257 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:48,980 And then the touch of editor, I have a few things. First, I have a memo on training for the APM conference for my self-enotum to attend and then for myself to attend the P-Sats conference with the board. 258 00:19:49,260 --> 00:19:55,860 I see that you're going to try and learn something about drones with special, you know, potential ordinances, drafts. 259 00:19:55,860 --> 00:20:02,340 It's going to probably come on this kind of conference for us, okay, is there a motion to approve the request for training? 260 00:20:02,620 --> 00:20:03,320 So move, second. 261 00:20:04,220 --> 00:20:04,800 All in favor. 262 00:20:05,140 --> 00:20:05,180 All right. 263 00:20:05,780 --> 00:20:06,160 All right. 264 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:06,720 All right. 265 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:08,520 Thank you. 266 00:20:09,740 --> 00:20:11,360 Setting the work budget session. 267 00:20:11,740 --> 00:20:11,960 Thank you. 268 00:20:12,580 --> 00:20:13,000 Yes. 269 00:20:13,860 --> 00:20:19,420 The way the means to meeting that and I want to do that spring budget work session like we did last year. 270 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,740 And pretty sure we have a little discussion before the meeting that the date starts is April 271 00:20:24,740 --> 00:20:33,820 12, which believes that Tuesday, not Thursday, and then Tuesday June 14th, and it probably 272 00:20:33,820 --> 00:20:34,120 will. 273 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,020 Well, this is Tuesday. 274 00:20:35,860 --> 00:20:39,460 And Thursday, June 14th or four, is everyone okay with those two days waiting to make 275 00:20:39,460 --> 00:20:40,000 them or not? 276 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:40,940 I'm okay. 277 00:20:41,140 --> 00:20:44,900 I just want to comment about the 12th, because Sean, I mean, he's going to become into the 278 00:20:44,900 --> 00:20:49,720 ways of means, parking, wreck, and EAC, which is like six, seven straight hours. 279 00:20:50,300 --> 00:20:50,540 So? 280 00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:53,100 I'm just bringing it up. 281 00:20:53,180 --> 00:20:54,080 Have a problem with that, Sean? 282 00:20:54,080 --> 00:21:00,220 I appreciate it. If there's any compassion on the board, you could pack me like a lunch or meal. 283 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,060 That's four o'clock. Yeah, I don't be a person and I'll be a long time. 284 00:21:06,180 --> 00:21:09,080 Yeah, well, not getting into this. 285 00:21:10,420 --> 00:21:13,480 Okay, but that's seriously. It's a long day for you. 286 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,420 It's a long day for you. 287 00:21:16,580 --> 00:21:18,820 Both states are good? Yes. 288 00:21:19,580 --> 00:21:21,260 We'll let the ways we need to meet you now. 289 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,040 We'll get that every kind of. 290 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,220 June 14th at 4. 291 00:21:24,460 --> 00:21:25,000 June 14th. 292 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:25,920 All right. 293 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,740 Next item is this snow. 294 00:21:30,140 --> 00:21:30,580 Show no. 295 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:31,380 Fair. 296 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:32,300 Show no. 297 00:21:32,820 --> 00:21:32,880 Yes. 298 00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:36,960 The board will recall that we had advertised through the piece 299 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,820 That's magazine twice for the sale of the show will be all. 300 00:21:40,420 --> 00:21:45,040 We actually had the burrow of Sair, which is on the New York border. 301 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:45,740 Come down. 302 00:21:45,820 --> 00:21:46,820 Look at it. 303 00:21:46,820 --> 00:21:52,700 Mr. Snyder had to be here the day that they were here, so he got to meet them. 304 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:58,140 They absolutely loved the show reveal and their board is their council, excuse me, their borough council. 305 00:21:58,820 --> 00:22:07,680 There's a February 25th approved the purchase of the show reveal for $10,000, which was our minimum fit on that. 306 00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:13,020 And our recommendation would be for us to go ahead and sell it to the borough of Sayer. 307 00:22:13,020 --> 00:22:16,600 have Mr. Garton prepared the appropriate documentation. 308 00:22:16,980 --> 00:22:22,960 This is blind to execute it and when it's prepared and then they'll come down and pick it up 309 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:28,060 and we will make sure when they come will transfer the tags and everything like that while they're here. 310 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:42,780 I did draft it and I will be sending it out to all the board members tomorrow for your 311 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:48,060 I'm sorry you've heard the sound right you'll prove offering it for sale, but not to sale to say or 312 00:22:48,580 --> 00:22:54,560 I make a motion we approve the sale to say a second then. Okay, all in favor. All right. All right, I'm sorry. Thank you 313 00:22:54,980 --> 00:22:56,820 I'm coming to the supervisor Sean 314 00:22:57,580 --> 00:22:58,980 No, I've had no 315 00:22:58,980 --> 00:23:08,260 Meetings except for the Decado Conference and Saturday. So I'll defer thank you. No comment. Okay. Okay. I get the accumulator time. I 316 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,760 That's just that three things. 317 00:23:11,940 --> 00:23:19,800 At the pension meeting, it was brought up about with our two experts, Deborah and Jim Kennedy, 318 00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:26,410 that our MMO is not going to basically change much. 319 00:23:26,410 --> 00:23:29,710 It's going to be much more than $300,000, that's an example. 320 00:23:29,710 --> 00:23:51,370 So the recommendation was if our cash flow permitted it to put in $50,000 now because they can do, in most cases, better with the $50,000, then we can do in a 1% CD where it is now. 321 00:23:51,370 --> 00:23:58,050 So their recommendation was to see if the cash flow could advance or not advance but pay in advance $50,000. 322 00:23:59,170 --> 00:24:02,370 And the pension board unanimously approved that. 323 00:24:03,210 --> 00:24:10,910 So I'm bringing it here saying if the consensus is to have the Stephanie and Ken Snyder and Ken Wallace or whoever, 324 00:24:11,310 --> 00:24:16,690 to take a look at that and see if the cash flow can support sending in extra amount of dollars. 325 00:24:18,740 --> 00:24:24,640 Well, we have a ways of means meeting, I don't know the April 12th, is that should we have a 326 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,940 fall budget reported at that time, where's it too long to wait? 327 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,100 We could analyze it between now and then and have it reported then and you could 328 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:36,740 take an action or be an advertised meeting if we need to, because we don't have to 329 00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:38,760 them a moment until such a journey. 330 00:24:39,180 --> 00:24:39,640 Is that work? 331 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,780 Yeah, and I wouldn't think we'd take very long to. 332 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:42,460 I agree. 333 00:24:42,460 --> 00:24:56,190 Okay, my second thing is I'm a reasonably intelligent person. I'll start with that and I've read this EMS letter from Chuck a few times and I honestly don't quite understand it 334 00:24:57,090 --> 00:25:03,350 And then the next step is he's looking for a support. So I don't know what I don't know what 335 00:25:04,090 --> 00:25:06,250 What you know the balancing 336 00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:09,070 A billing by anybody 337 00:25:09,070 --> 00:25:20,270 I thought it was a confusing request to Chuck Fussler as they had the CVM meal and he's looking for something, make up money. 338 00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:24,150 The loss there, I'm not quite sure what it is, you know. 339 00:25:24,370 --> 00:25:26,210 We can ask for more content, we can ask for content. 340 00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:28,850 The board wants to help them, that's fine. 341 00:25:29,150 --> 00:25:29,810 I just don't understand. 342 00:25:31,030 --> 00:25:32,530 Yeah, I think he's looking for support. 343 00:25:32,550 --> 00:25:34,550 There's legislation that's pending as well. 344 00:25:34,550 --> 00:25:37,390 And then this balance billing thing, which is, I guess, 345 00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:41,110 then the Pennsylvania insurance commission is saying 346 00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:43,790 that they don't, they won't be able to balance bill 347 00:25:43,790 --> 00:25:44,970 on an ambulance ride. 348 00:25:45,790 --> 00:25:49,690 So typically, if they're not certain portion isn't covered 349 00:25:49,690 --> 00:25:51,610 if it's 600 and they only get 300, 350 00:25:52,170 --> 00:25:55,990 they want to balance bill the other 300 to the insured. 351 00:25:56,150 --> 00:25:58,910 I think he's just asking for the work. 352 00:25:58,990 --> 00:26:00,950 Not necessarily our financial skills work. 353 00:26:01,230 --> 00:26:01,710 Yeah, that's how we do that. 354 00:26:01,710 --> 00:26:02,630 No, that's how I read it. 355 00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:03,870 Yeah, no no, no. 356 00:26:03,870 --> 00:26:04,650 You don't have to share a ready to? 357 00:26:04,670 --> 00:26:06,770 Does he want to suspend, what do you want us to do? 358 00:26:07,090 --> 00:26:07,110 Right. 359 00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:08,090 What kind of support? 360 00:26:08,430 --> 00:26:08,730 Yeah, exactly. 361 00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:09,430 What for? 362 00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:15,910 Third thing is, as I mentioned, I watched him eat, and I think, Shawn mentioned that the 363 00:26:15,910 --> 00:26:20,990 parking wreck is looking to do some additions and maybe I'll say, cosmetics, that's probably 364 00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:21,730 not a fair thing. 365 00:26:21,950 --> 00:26:28,210 For the amphitheatre, I would like to see before I get to that step, where were 366 00:26:28,210 --> 00:26:29,090 at with the amphitheatre? 367 00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:34,810 What's what's what's profit in loss? What's our sheet? What we have planned for this year? 368 00:26:36,670 --> 00:26:43,430 I mean, I speak people give us donations and we still have a fiduciary responsibility to spend those donations properly and I can't 369 00:26:45,330 --> 00:26:48,070 Vote for that unless you get some clarity on 370 00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:53,630 How many events? How they're doing is it going to be you mean repitalized me, right? 371 00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:57,490 I'm not voting on anything. I'm asking for Sean to ask to regard that you go ask me 372 00:26:57,490 --> 00:27:04,290 Yeah, I think that was to mention that there was still a sponsorship opportunity that they 373 00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:04,790 are available. 374 00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:11,350 But going forward, I know Parkal Red currently is working on both of the list, a punch list, 375 00:27:12,330 --> 00:27:16,430 prioritizing those, you know, what still, but they still want to accomplish, you know, improvements 376 00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:21,270 and such on the community as well as a schedule for the concert series. 377 00:27:22,010 --> 00:27:25,770 So they're looking at both sides, habits and credits, you know, what they still want to do 378 00:27:25,770 --> 00:27:28,550 and other fundraising opportunities as well. 379 00:27:30,530 --> 00:27:36,770 And the schedule, so I think we can get a report from the next park and wreck what they have planned for instance. 380 00:27:37,390 --> 00:27:39,630 They've expanded that series such a concert. 381 00:27:39,870 --> 00:27:44,610 All right, and they've added some additional events or shows and concerts. 382 00:27:44,650 --> 00:27:46,850 And there's still some others that they're talking about now. 383 00:27:47,130 --> 00:27:52,870 Although the window is closing for sponsors to get on like on the printed material and everything. 384 00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:58,150 You know, because they have to go to print soon. There's still that's still expanding the venues for the rest of the year 385 00:27:58,150 --> 00:28:04,430 So we can try to get that from the night. I mean, I'm not if you could do if you want to bring a great if Karen wants to stop by for five minutes 386 00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:08,510 That's great. I just bring it to the meeting on the in the ways of being unable for June 387 00:28:09,630 --> 00:28:11,690 We have it already. I'm good whenever 388 00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:20,010 Yeah, you know me here. There's time frames for some kind of report if they're ready. I mean, especially if they want to do some work during the summer 389 00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:30,590 You're suggesting that at the April 12th meeting, that was a means committee meeting or the other was a means committee. 390 00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:32,950 The April 12th or the June 14th. 391 00:28:33,610 --> 00:28:33,630 Okay. 392 00:28:33,630 --> 00:28:35,030 Whenever they're ready for it. 393 00:28:35,030 --> 00:28:36,370 Yes, I'm ready for it. 394 00:28:36,910 --> 00:28:37,110 It's fine. 395 00:28:38,030 --> 00:28:38,790 Thank you. 396 00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:39,450 That's all I have. 397 00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:41,150 Thank you. 398 00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:42,050 Nothing for this one. 399 00:28:42,910 --> 00:28:43,170 Thank you. 400 00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:43,570 All right. 401 00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:46,870 Moving on to the long maintenance did for 2016. 402 00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:48,730 You memo from Dick John. 403 00:28:50,370 --> 00:28:51,050 Any questions? 404 00:28:52,150 --> 00:28:57,870 The recommendation is to prove one-year-long maintenance extension. 405 00:28:58,730 --> 00:29:05,430 Now, rating increase with green landscape contractors for $114,520. 406 00:29:06,210 --> 00:29:06,950 I'll make that motion. 407 00:29:07,390 --> 00:29:10,070 I'll second questions on favor. 408 00:29:10,390 --> 00:29:13,330 I can tap grant. 409 00:29:14,270 --> 00:29:14,490 Yes. 410 00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:20,090 This is a form of policy that we need to approve resolution 411 00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:29,190 that will designate three people from the township that will review the inspection and construction management from. 412 00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:34,250 This is all part of the tap grant will be paid for by the 1 million point two tap grant. 413 00:29:34,650 --> 00:29:41,050 But it is policy that has to be put into our electronic data management program with PENDA. 414 00:29:41,050 --> 00:29:45,950 And this will be working with DVRPC, the Delaware Valley Regional Planning Commission, 415 00:29:46,590 --> 00:29:52,950 and setting this up and selecting a construction management engineering company to oversee that project. 416 00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:59,970 And so that is what the resolution sets for three of those people being the bidding system. 417 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,760 First of all, we'll be done through the RFP system. We'll be done through the PEN.com ECMS program, the electronic management, 418 00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:12,020 and then they'll be selected in all of the paid forth through the tap grant. 419 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,240 Sir, may you stand there, request? 420 00:30:15,060 --> 00:30:16,300 Sir, may you do for the resolution? 421 00:30:17,540 --> 00:30:19,980 Why do you identify who are the three people just so that? 422 00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:22,900 Definitely, may some would be serving as from the township manager, 423 00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:27,680 does not need to take John, his director of operations, and then Tom Kalsos, the White and 424 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,440 High Community Voluntary. 425 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,720 I'll make that motion a second. 426 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:32,980 All in favour? 427 00:30:33,420 --> 00:30:33,600 All in favour? 428 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:33,940 All in favour? 429 00:30:36,810 --> 00:30:39,510 Egel's Capacamation for Caldha, David Roberts. 430 00:30:39,970 --> 00:30:43,250 2nd number 71, is your motion to approve the Proclamation? 431 00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:44,150 So moved. 432 00:30:45,290 --> 00:30:45,930 All in favour? 433 00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:50,590 Kiles Court of Honor is April 10, 2016. 434 00:30:50,590 --> 00:30:56,010 He did the ADA accessible pedestrian bridge at Peace Valley Park. 435 00:30:56,190 --> 00:31:00,950 So, when you walk over, I think I'll have an Eagle Scout project. 436 00:31:01,390 --> 00:31:01,910 I wonder if I can. 437 00:31:02,530 --> 00:31:02,990 All right. 438 00:31:03,170 --> 00:31:06,090 Our next item on the agenda is our announcements. 439 00:31:06,790 --> 00:31:07,170 We are done. 440 00:31:08,150 --> 00:31:11,070 Next being of this board is February 15th at 7 p.m. 441 00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:13,470 By 2 p.m. March 15th at 7 p.m. 442 00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:15,990 Daylight savings time is March 13th. 443 00:31:16,110 --> 00:31:17,650 Set your clock ahead of one hour. 444 00:31:18,450 --> 00:31:26,330 Washington D.C. Cherry Blossom trip is April 2nd, $50 a person, you sign up at DawesTimeRect.com, 445 00:31:27,030 --> 00:31:32,230 Red Cross Spring Blood Drive, April 11th, 2 to 7 at the Activities Center, and you sign up 446 00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:34,150 for that at RedCrossBlood.org. 447 00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:42,570 The Community Township and DawesTimeCommunity Garden Survey, please go to DawesTimePay.org, take 448 00:31:42,570 --> 00:31:44,750 a moment to do the survey, would like to get your input. 449 00:31:45,250 --> 00:31:51,730 And movie and ski tickets are available by contacting the administrative offices for prices and availability. 450 00:31:52,830 --> 00:31:53,850 Is there any other business? 451 00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:54,510 No. 452 00:31:55,050 --> 00:31:55,950 Here you know, we are Jones. 453 00:31:56,110 --> 00:31:56,630 Thank you very much. 454 00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:57,610 There are things to sign. 455 00:31:58,930 --> 00:31:59,930 To see you all.