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Meeting on 6 o'clock start, so I'd like to get our meeting started, our study session, if you will. I got to read the electronic meeting notice. Again, so let me do that. This meeting will be held electronically. The meeting will be an electronic meeting, according to the city code 2-1-040. The determination of 2020-08% to Utah code annotated 52-4207-4. I may or twerky walk or do hereby determine conducting electronic meeting of the drip city.

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Council with an anchor location presents a substantial risk to the health and safety of

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jury for city council to conduct electronic meetings without an anchor

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location before going to termination is based upon the following facts.

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Federal state and local leaders including the Derbors City Mayor and the city

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council have all recognized a global pandemic caused by the spread of COVID-19

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virus. COVID-19 cases in Salt Lake County and Draper continue to increase rapidly

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I might add at rates which pose the risk of overburdening the local health care system.

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by which the public may hear or view and hear

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and the open portions of the meeting

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and to participate in the public hearings.

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The original of this written determinations on file

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in the city recorders office to participate

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in this meeting, there are two options

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you can listen through the draper city website

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at www.draper.ut.us slash 95 slash agendas minutes.

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You can email comments to public comment at draper.ut.us

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by 5 p.m. on the day of the meeting.

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Those will become part of the public record.

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Those who would speak during the public hearing portions of the meeting send a request for the Zoom ID to the public to public dot comment at draper dot U.T.

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dot U.S. by noon the day of the meeting.

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With that being all said and read our first item on our study session agenda is a presentation on the concept of ranked choice voting.

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Mr. Fox, I understand that you've got Stan Lockhart ready to present something to the council and you have also a PowerPoint presentations that correct.

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That is correct.

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Do we have Mr. Lockhart on the line?

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Yeah, he's unmuted.

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I'm here.

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All right.

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Can you hear me?

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We can hear you Stan.

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Go ahead.

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Well, I need to get the presentation up.

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They hold on.

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I've

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got a great draper city logo in front of me. It's really nice. It's lovely. It has the tree and the mountains.

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Yes, it does.

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Hi, Stan.

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Hello.

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It's the tree of light, Stan.

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Yeah, I could see that.

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Not live.

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I think light.

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Stan, you should be able to share the screen now.

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Yeah, I'm looking for the presentation.

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I guess I'm looking for files, maybe.

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No.

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Oh, that's not working.

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Share screen.

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Oh, copy.

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No.

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Just share screen.

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So, Russ, do you have it handy or do you expect me to have it handy?

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I don't have anything.

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We did put together our own presentation.

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But you're not going to be familiar with that one, so.

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Yeah, so I need to find this.

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You're okay. You got time to do it. Let's go ahead and find it.

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Okay. I've got it in front of me. I don't know if I have it. Oh, there it is. Share.

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I don't know if that's share of people and groups.

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Man, this is okay.

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Looks like we're seeing that, Stan. Oh, you can see it. Yes. Great.

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That's the first time I've had to do a share screen. Let's do it. My mom always just kind of watch and others do it. So, Council members, thank you for letting me meet with you today.

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Rank choice voting is an innovation that came to Utah about 25 years ago by conservative grassroots activists who

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believe that it was a better way of voting. They first advocated using it within the Republican

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Party, and so the party over the last 20 years has used it at conventions. They've used it

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in caucuses. They've had, as recently as this past convention cycle, you had the Republican

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Party using it and the Democratic Party using it with great success. In fact, in a poll of

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delegates on the Republican side, they found that out of 1,700 delegates, 1,100 of them

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responded to their poll and 72% want to use right choice voting again in their elections

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because they liked it so much.

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This issue has been before the state legislature for several years and the state legislature,

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even right now, there's a bill that proposes using it in partisan primaries, mostly to deal

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with the plurality issue when you have far less than 50 percent of the people choosing

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party nominees when you have multiple candidates on the ballot.

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And they also wanted to see how it works in Utah, what voters think about it.

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One of the arguments against it that doesn't hold much water is that voters are too dumb

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to figure out how to rank their votes.

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And we're finding over and over that that's just not true.

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In Pace and Invinier two years ago, they used Ranked Choice Voting.

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Amelia Powers, the county clerk in Utah County, she coined a phrase that Ranked Choice Voting is better, faster cheaper.

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It works.

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So what is Ranked Choice Voting?

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If you look over on the upper left-hand corner, the voters ranked the candidates in order of preference on the ballot.

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They then have their first choices counted just as you would in a traditional plurality election, and then if a candidate gets over 50% of the vote, then they're the winner, and that's the end of it.

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If no one gets 50% of the vote, then they eliminate the last place candidate as you go around in the circle to the bottom, you redistribute the votes from the eliminated candidate to the voters next choice, and then you count the votes again.

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And then you see what the outcome is, and if Canada gets over 50% of the vote, then they're the winner.

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And you keep going through that process until you come up with A winner or in the case of multiple winners, it can happen.

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You can have multiple winners as well.

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talked to you a little bit about the success and pace and

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vineyard two years ago.

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The county clerk did a poll of voters in that election.

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And 86% of voters in pace and vineyard say they found

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rank choice voting very much or somewhat easy to use.

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Only 4.2% found it not at all easy to use.

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82.5% of voters said that rank choice voting should be used

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in future elections. One of the things we discovered is that once until you use ranked

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choice voting you're kind of skeptical and then once you use it you like it because it

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really is easy all the way around on the part of the voter.

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Of the candidates there was a very

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positive candidate experience in both cities. 87.5% of respondents reported a positive impression

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of ranked choice voting. No candidates reported a negative impression and that's both winners and

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and 75% of those candidates wanted to keep using right choice voting in future elections.

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These are just some, as we had an open-ended question, I really like the approach and

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think it should be adopted by more cities, sort of pace and city candidates.

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I loved it.

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It's easy and makes a lot of sense, sort of, sort of vineyard city voter.

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Just this last legislative session, there was a resolution that voted to commend pace and

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and then your cities as well.

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Local is Utah County election officials for conducting the first ever ranked choice voting elections in state history in a public election. And in addition, legislators and the governor officially encouraged all 249 cities and towns throughout Utah to adopt ranked choice voting for the upcoming municipal elections.

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Governor Herbert said, ranked choice voting, something I would support. That was unsolicited. I was surprised as anyone when he said it. I think it has some advantages. If I can't be your first choice, I want to be your second choice.

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So I think it brings a more civil campaign, and I think that's a good thing, and we can really concentrate really on the issues at hand, said Governor Herbert.

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So why ranked choice voting? Well, first of all, there are taxpayer savings for cities. Tax-payer dollars are saved by allowing the city to hold one election in November, rather than two elections.

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You're charged by the number of active registered voters that you have, not on the number of

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people who vote.

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And so it costs exactly half as much as the general election to run a primary.

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And you can save, so you can save half of your election budget by just going to a general

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election with ranked choice voting.

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There are shorter, less expensive city campaigns.

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The candidate filing period is in August and you took instead of June for plurality elections

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and you get to compact that time together to run a single election in November rather

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than in August primary and in November election.

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ESNS, the voting equipment awarded a state of Utah contract, is capable of running right-choice

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voting elections. And in fact, that is the equipment that was used last year in Utah County

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to run the Ranked Choice Voting Elections in pace and inventor.

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One of the nice things

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about Ranked Choice Voting, we want voters to express their will, so take the time to go

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vote, we want them to fully express their will. Many times voters get, they get these choices

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that aren't really what they want to do.

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And I'll give you some examples.

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In 2016, when the presidential election came around,

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we had President Trump and Hillary Clinton,

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and then Evan McMullen came to town,

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and immediately he was viewed as a possible alternative

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to both of those candidates.

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His polling went up dramatically,

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And when it hit about 20%, the cry went up that a vote for McMullen was a vote for Hillary.

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And so voters who kind of thought they had an opportunity to vote for an alternative now had to factor in, well wait a second.

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If I vote for him, is that a vote for Hillary? And in the end, his popularity leveled out and actually went down a little bit by the time the election came around.

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A majority vote, one of the great things about rain choice voting is that you get the final

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tally between the two top candidates and the winter gets more than 50 percent.

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That 50 percent can come in an earlier round, but the winners are getting over 50 percent

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of the voters votes.

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It eliminates the spoiler effect.

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So sometimes we get into these elections where, well, a couple of things will happen.

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The spoiler effect is you get at someone running that you think will take, so sometimes

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candidates will go out and recruit another candidate that they think can take votes away

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from their opponent.

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It happens more often than we think, particularly in partisan elections.

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And this eliminates that spoiler effect.

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In fact, it also eliminates the vote splitting that takes place in elections.

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If you have three candidates who are very similar, who have similar values and similar

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principles and they have a similar base of support, sometimes they can split votes to

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the point where someone who is one issue candidate can come in and win under our plurality system.

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You can't have that happen under ranked choice voting.

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The candidates who have the broadest and deepest support are the candidates who get elected.

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So, this slide is a bit outdated.

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The actual notice to the Lieutenant Governor's Office needs to take place by March 15, 2021,

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and that's when you need to decide and have a decision that you send to the Lieutenant

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Governor's Office if you want to do rank choice voting.

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Okay, that's the end of my presentation.

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Thank you for that presentation.

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is there a way we could

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Can I get a copy of that email to us? Yeah, I've already sent it over to your staff and hopefully they could just send that over to you. Awesome. Thanks.

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Does anybody else have any questions for Mr. Lockhart? Yeah, I do. Mr. Lockhart, this is Cal Roberts. I've been watching you guys and have followed closely this and I think our democracy probably needs lots of structural changes to make things work better.

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I'm curious about this. One of the common arguments against rank choice voting is

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ballot exhaustion, where you have folks who

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they might only rank three candidates out of five and so when you get to that final fourth and

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fifth rounds they essentially their votes aren't counted. How would you respond to that concern?

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I would tell you that you're putting the power in the hands of voters.

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So, if a voter has the ability under the state laws it stands to rank every single candidate.

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But if they choose not to, they're actually making a proactive decision that they just simply aren't willing to even rank the ones that they don't want to.

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Sometimes there are many reasons why they choose to do that.

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But I think by putting the power into the hands of the voter, you're enabling them to have full discretion on what they do.

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I mean, I really think that when a voter, let's say there are five or six candidates running and they only choose to vote for three.

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For whatever reason, maybe they don't know enough about that candidate. Maybe they dislike that candidate so much they can't even put them last, but for whatever reason they've made that choice.

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so as the rounds go on, their ballot may be exhausted, but it's because they've made that choice,

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it's not because anybody has chosen it for them. And under plurality voting, there's so many ways

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to gain the system that sometimes you put voters in a place where they have to think, well, wait a

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second, if I do this, then I can't do this because I've got to do that. Many times, you'll have a

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candidate who you really prefer, but they just aren't getting a lot of support around town.

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But by golly, they believe like you do and you, and you, and you, and you, some, for whatever

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reason you want to vote for them, but because they don't have a chance of being the winner,

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many times they won't give you, you won't get their vote. I think that happened during our primary

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for governor, frankly. I think, I think that Greg Hughes and Thomas Wright didn't get some votes

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because people perceived it with two candidate rates.

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And so you don't have to worry about that

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under ranked choice voting.

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You can vote your conscience for whoever you want to vote for.

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And if that means you're going to rank all the candidates you can

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and if that means you are going to do a subset

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then you can, but it's in the hands of the voter.

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Thanks.

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What happens if candidate A, let's say we're to get 45%

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on the first ballot candidate B gets 38%.

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And then we go through multiple rounds

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with multiple candidates. And that ends up switching. So, Canada today had most the most

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ardent support at the beginning, but they end up, you know, losing by a sliver. You know,

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could we really say that that reflects the will of the people better than just by having

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having the current system that we have now?

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Yeah, so I think that goes to the heart of what it

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means for the candidate with the broadest and deepest support to get elected. Today, we have a

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popularity contest that is only monitored by who gets a vote.

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So we actually don't know the will of the voter below that.

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And if a candidate gets a lot of number two votes, it is possible that a candidate will

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get fewer number one votes and more number two votes and end up bumping up over a candidate

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that may have started off number one.

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It doesn't happen often.

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So it's not like it's a common occurrence.

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So I'll take you back to our convention,

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the Republican convention.

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It really candidates pretty much went out in order round by round.

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And their votes redistributed the people that had the highest voting total in the first round

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ended up getting the highest voting total in the last round.

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So that's the more likely outcome in a ranked choice voting election.

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But it does sometimes happen where a candidate will get fewer number ones and more number twos.

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Great. Thank you. Appreciate your presentation.

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Anybody else have any questions for Mr. Lockhart?

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I do, Mr. Mayor.

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So, Stan, if more cities join, does that mean there's an increased cost for more equipment

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or can the equipment that is currently housed at Utah County cover?

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I'm just one

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If you have, oh, if you've calculated for the incremental cost, the variable cost of doing businesses, you increase here. That's all. Yeah. Is that Fred? By any chance, there's that mic. Who's asking the question? That's my green who asked on behalf of Fred, because Fred's microphone's broken.

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I got my voice sound a little different than Mike's, I'm a little older than him.

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I got myself into trouble by guessing, didn't I?

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There are three ways to administer rank choice voting for draper.

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The first way is to go through Salt Lake County.

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as you've been outsourcing your elections now for a little over 20 years.

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If you're like many of the other cities in Salt Lake County and I have no reason to expect

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that you're different. And the pitch from the very beginning in the late 90s when the county

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asked cities to do this to outsource to them was that you're going to be able to save money because

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you don't have to duplicate our efforts and have you by voting equipment and have us by voting

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equipment. And that was absolutely the truth. So it made sense for cities to go ahead and allow

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the county to do the elections. However, we've discovered something and what we've discovered is

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that the counties are resistant to any changes in elections. And it doesn't matter whether it's

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spoke my mail, whether it is ID at the polls, whether it's same day voter registration,

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whatever the innovation is or it's ranked choice voting, our county elections officials

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around the state tend to resist it.

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And so they also resist ranked choice voting.

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And so right now, Sherry Swenson is unwilling to administer ranked choice voting.

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And we've engaged with her, we've had discussions with her, we have yet to see a valid reason why she's not willing to, but that's where it stands today.

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The county has just approved her purchase for some new equipment. She will have the ability to it's embedded inside the equipment that she's purchasing.

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So she could use ranked choice voting if she wanted to, but today we think it's somewhat

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unlikely that she's going to be willing.

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She charges about 250 per voter to the cities that she administers for.

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In Utah County, they charge just a little over $2 per voter.

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So that means that for every 10,000 voters, you're able to save $5,000 on an election using

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in Utah County instead of Salt Lake County.

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And because Draper is in both cities,

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you really have an easy option

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to use either county clerk for your voting needs.

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And so you could save money,

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even if you use plurality voting,

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I think I'd recommend that you go use Utah County

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because they'll save you many thousands of dollars,

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whether you use rank choice voting or not.

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But if you choose to use rank choice voting,

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now you get to save the cost of a primary.

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You'll save far more than half of what you normally spend on an election.

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So that really is, if I were in your shoes as a council member voting on this in charge

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of the budget wanting to save some money, I would go to Utah County and ask them to run

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either a plurality election or a ranked choice voting election because they're much less

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expensive on a per registered voter basis than Salt Lake County.

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The third option you have, there are many cities in Salt Lake County interested in using

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Range Choice Voting. Salt Lake City has sent a letter to the county clerk asking her to

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please use Range Choice Voting in 2021. We have several cities that have inquired. We've

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done presentations to a half a dozen cities. West Jordan and Cottonwood Heights opted in

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two years ago before opting out at the last minute because the county clerk wouldn't administer

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it. And so there's a great deal of interest throughout Salt Lake County in the cities.

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And what the way to do this even cheaper than $2 per voter is to allow ES and S, one

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of the vendors to rent equipment to the cities, have kind of a co-op.

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And then we have several organizations that can come in and run a cheaper election.

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We're actually working on one ourselves that ranked choice voting has gone out.

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We've got the former state elections officer, Kelleen Potter, who is working on doing this as

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effectively and securely and efficiently as the county court could do at about the same cost at

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about $2 for a voter. So those are the

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There are three options. But I think the best option is just going to Utah County.

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Any other questions for Mr. Lockhart?

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All right. Thank you, Stan. You're welcome. Mr. Fox, you had something you wanted to present as well about this. Go ahead. I think just basically, you know, Stan pretty much covered everything that we had for the presentation that we were going to do. Just the one thing we just want to talk about is just a couple of the concerns or just

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things we need to really kind of consider with rank choice voting. Right now we've got, we've reached out to Utah County, so as like Stan mentioned, you know they've they've run it before.

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But running a having Utah County run the election in Salt Lake County might be confusing for for people, especially since we've got such a smaller portion of our population is in Utah County.

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and obviously the majority of the populations in Salt Lake County.

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So that's one.

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And we're just pointing out that with Salt Lake County, yes, since they've been authorized

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to purchase the equipment, and again, we've got trying to get some information from them

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and whether or not they're going to run the rank choice voting at this point in time.

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We're still waiting to hear back on that, but they did standpoint it out.

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they did get authorized to purchase the equipment so they'll have the ability to do that.

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I'm going to look to Laura see if she has anything else that she wants to add to that.

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Didn't you have a PowerPoint you wanted to show us?

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I don't know if we need to show the I don't know if we need to show the PowerPoint after stands because

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it covers pretty much the same things. The only other the only concern I have is I've reached out to

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both Utah County and Salt Lake County.

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Utah County has not responded.

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This is a super busy time for the counties

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as you can imagine, so I'm not surprised

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that they haven't returned my, you know.

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I did get an email today from Salt Lake County

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and she will, we're gonna talk next week

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about whether or not they're gonna be able to do it.

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My other concern with Utah County,

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I know Mr. Lockhart said that they could do it.

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I don't know if they even want to do it and so that's what I'm trying to find out from them

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That was the question I had for them if that's even an option for them. I do have several other city recorders that are kind of curious

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About it, but I haven't heard of any others that are

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Looking into it yet. So we'll see

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So when I think just to kind of show you this was

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a sample of the ballot that was done in vineyard just so you can kind of see what the what this looks like

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There was, it looks like there was seven candidates and so that was just one thing that that would be beneficial for you to see.

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So yeah, so this is the participation.

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The three parts, so if we are interested, we need to get a letter into the Lieutenant Governor's office to do it.

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Again, there's a party mentioned Utah County has the ability to do it and they have party one orange choice voting.

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And then the issue of Salt Lake County, and then yeah, just what we've already talked about.

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And I think, you know, Stan did a good job in talking about the requirements for like public education with a new methodology to do this.

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Russ, can I ask you a question on that?

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If you opt in then are you locked into it for the five year period then?

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No, you can withdraw.

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according to the state statute you can withdraw your notice of intent it just

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has to be ending to the lieutenant governor by April 15th and actually you

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have to opt in every time so when you opt when you opt in you're only opting in

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for that year so if then you're in case it decides to do it they need to go

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have to reappear so one of the concepts of this is the it only you only have one

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election right you don't have you don't have a primary election you just have

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you just have one election with the rank choice ballot.

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Yeah, that's correct.

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So three of you are going to be running again.

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You would even declare to audits.

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You just have to one election in November.

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I participated in the Republican Convention vote

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as a delegate, and it was pretty interesting to watch it.

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It actually, it happened, and I mean I think the computer did it.

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Assembly, but they laid it out sort of in a, they, they released the results, they would take a couple of minutes between each tally. But I think they, they think they had the data in the second it was. But it was interesting to watch it. I don't know if you saw it, but it, it's just how it. In that particular one, he was sort of just rose up through. It was, it was interesting. I didn't, I didn't have a problem with it in the, in that context, but I guess just to be clear, it would, it would be different.

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you wouldn't have a primary election, you only have one election.

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So you wouldn't even declare until August?

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Correct.

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So it really does push the whole thing back.

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Well, it just shortens the election period.

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And also, say, yeah, so to me, you reduce the voter

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fatigue of the residents.

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And then it's also less expensive for the candidates, too.

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I do.

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That to me is a positive.

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It's like a spotlight on Cal.

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It's his night. It's your night.

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I'm frankly interested in it thinking about it.

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I mean, I've talked to the Mayor of Vineyard, Julie,

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former and she thought it went well in her city

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and she thought the public most importantly liked it

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because the other thing she said that was interesting,

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she said it was less, there was less inclination

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for a negative type campaigning,

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which is a kind of what the governor's quote was,

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but it was because everyone wanted

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to at least be your number two, so there was less inclination

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to, you know, which I'm sure voters would probably

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appreciate, like more than, especially Utah voters.

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Utah voters do not like negative, but all right,

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well, Stan, did you have anything else to add?

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I see you sitting there nicely quietly.

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Yeah, I think I would tell you that rank choice, here's a couple of additional things.

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Ranked choice voting elections are more issue-oriented than typical plurality elections, and it's

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not just the issues you care about, you're going to talk about the issues your opponents care

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about, because you want to get their supporters number two votes.

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So, there's a lot of talk about what the issues are that would face draper in the next

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four years.

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And that is good for our democracy and our republic to have issues-based campaigns and not

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have them be the politics of personal destruction, which so often happen in our country right

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now and in our state, frankly, Goli.

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Those city council races, at least the ones I've been in over the last 20 years, have

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more negative campaigning than all the partisan races combined.

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So to have an incentive for candidates to be civil to one another is positive.

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Also the strategy in a right choice voting election, in a plurality election you try to find

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your base and then you play to your base and you've got to turn out your base.

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Well in a right choice voting election you need to reach out to all voters because even if

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you're not their number one you might be their number two and so voters get more attention

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from candidates in ranked choice voting elections. And that is positive. But the biggest positive

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in a ranked choice voting election is that the will of the voters more fully expressed. And that

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is also good for our form of government.

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Anybody else have any comments or further discussion?

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I got one more questions last point. I'm just thinking through this. So push back if I'm wrong.

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I just think about city council races, and I wonder if what results as yields is more, yes,

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you do get a push towards the middle so to speak, but do you then not get representation of key areas?

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So instead of getting representation of the west side or the south side where you got the rabbit base there,

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instead you just get kind of like three more vanilla candidates from the center area.

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And so I wonder if in some situations it doesn't actually give this much representation for our type of option

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I'm just throwing it out there

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What would you say to that stand on if you followed me my logic there, but

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Yeah, we don't have districts so

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Like if you wanted if you wanted to have

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Representation as areas. That's what you do. I don't think right choice really

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Well I think it could because what it does is the geographic area is at least here in

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Draper they're associated typically with a base a lot of times in these elections if you

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I'm just wondering if you nullify or you kind of, you know, you get rid of that effect. And so what you end up getting is certain areas that no longer actually are. Their vote isn't as potent as it would have been. Have they been able to kind of choose a line and get behind their candidate. Instead it gets diffused amongst, you know, called the establishment candidate. Yeah, I kind of see that differently. I kind of see it where maybe those that are.

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that third or fourth choice could maybe I think it would actually balance it more than what we have now.

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And I would agree with what Mr. Green said, you know, we're all at large, so you should be campaigning to everyone to begin with, right?

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You're going out and you're meeting with everybody and saying you'd be a voice to all residents, so you would simply be continuing to do that.

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Right. I know what you're going to say to that if he understood the question.

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Here's what I would say. Ranked choice voting has less gaming of the system than plurality voting.

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So when you have multiple winners in an election as many of our cities do,

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there's actually a statistical reason for you to tell your supporters only vote for me

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because statistically it gives you a better chance of being elected.

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Under ranked choice voting there is no advantage in telling your supporters to only vote for one.

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Under ranked choice voting you tell your supporters, please rank me number one.

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But there's no advantage in having somebody else, you know.

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I guess the way to say it is there are just fewer opportunities to game the system.

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Let me give you one other cool thing that came up during the presidential primaries this

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year.

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We had several candidates drop out towards the end of that race after many of the mail-in

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votes were sent in on the Democrat side.

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There were literally millions of voters that were disenfranchised because their favorite candidate

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who they had voted for dropped out of that race within three or four days before the election.

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So it solves that problem as well if if if a candidate does drop out right before the election, it won't harm your election.

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That candidate will will get their share of the votes, but because they've ranked them, the other candidates, the voter will still get a chance to participate in the election.

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Thank you, Stan. Appreciate it.

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You're welcome pre-figure tiny council members and mayor and staff

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Right our next item on the agenda is

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A need for a closed session

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Sorry, man, we put that on there in case we don't have a good one. We don't need one

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All right, that takes us to item number three, which is council manager

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Or council manager discussion who would like to go first?

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Mr. Lowry go ahead, sir

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I sent an email of a photo to everybody, this afternoon, I don't know if you saw it, at least to the council members, the document that was shared in the Tree Commission meeting this week, and basically this

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00:38:48,670 --> 00:38:56,850
issue was brought up with the construction on 138 South when we widened that and then put in that new land.

430
00:38:56,850 --> 00:39:03,090
landscaping. I don't know, Rhett did waitlin' talk to you about this at all from Monday,

431
00:39:03,330 --> 00:39:03,630
yesterday.

432
00:39:06,590 --> 00:39:16,450
So there's a concern when the contractor planted those trees that they, you know,

433
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:21,810
and did the landscaping. They just planted those trees in road base, and then also left

434
00:39:21,810 --> 00:39:28,170
a lot of concrete and stuff along the drive strip and just lay the top soil on the slot over the

435
00:39:28,170 --> 00:39:34,090
top of it. And what it did is it just brought up a concern or an issue that we have like where

436
00:39:34,090 --> 00:39:39,330
way those trees have been planted they're not going to survive they're we're going to lose them

437
00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:45,950
so it's just kind of a waste. And I guess one of the things that's been brought up with this is when

438
00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:51,330
engineering comes out to inspect that the road make sure it's all done

439
00:39:51,330 --> 00:39:56,630
you know they're focused on making sure that that road and all of that's been

440
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:59,970
done correctly but the landscaping isn't

441
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:29,600
And we had one of the members on the tree commission that lives near here. And she gave the example of when she noticed how it was going, she went talk to the contractor and said, hey, you realize that those trees need to be planted differently. And then also discuss the concern about the drive strip where there was all these concrete chunks and things. And by the time she got back from work, they'd already covered it with top soil. You know, you can tell. Now,

442
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,360
Now one of the concerns is we don't want this to create too much bureaucracy you haven't

443
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:41,020
have so many inspections or whatever but it was kind of discussed that maybe we could

444
00:40:41,020 --> 00:40:49,120
come up with a plan where the parks and public works could coordinate where the landscaping

445
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:57,220
of that requires maybe a review or an inspection by someone in the parks or the same way that

446
00:40:57,220 --> 00:41:02,960
we'd have the street and stuff constructed to help prevent something like this happening

447
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:08,580
so that if we're paying for that kind of landscaping, we want to make sure that it'll

448
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,360
be successful.

449
00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:12,420
That makes sense.

450
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:12,960
Absolutely.

451
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:13,880
I shouldn't have happened that way.

452
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,060
We'll make sure that it gets taken care of.

453
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,900
So it's just a matter of it.

454
00:41:18,220 --> 00:41:24,060
And this is not a criticism at all because it's easily lost with the street inspection.

455
00:41:24,140 --> 00:41:26,880
We should just be part of our contract, actually.

456
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:41,060
Yeah, and I think that materials hauled out. Yeah, and I think they're probably it was explained, you know, and they're given the documentation on how to properly plant the trees and all of that, but you know, sometimes you're in a hurry just to get the job done and get out of there.

457
00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:51,600
And I know there was a lot of pressure on 138. So we're just using this as an example of what maybe we need to look at going forward. So we'll follow up on that.

458
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:57,420
And there was one other thing with the tree commission, they are going to move forward

459
00:41:57,420 --> 00:42:07,340
in planning an entrance for down on from Riverton into Draper on 126 South or 123 South.

460
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:13,460
And once they can give us a plan on that, then we can figure out a budget.

461
00:42:15,540 --> 00:42:18,440
And I think that's pretty much the main thing.

462
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,060
they are we've got a good active commission there right now people that are

463
00:42:23,060 --> 00:42:28,460
really interested in wanting to to have input I don't know Russ if you have

464
00:42:28,460 --> 00:42:35,720
anything to add to it is Russ was there um no either than just a one one thing

465
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:41,560
they're also working on is they're they're gonna focus on looking at our code and

466
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:46,100
getting some of the suggestions and changes so we've been wanting them to do for a

467
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:49,780
while so and they're getting pretty active with that.

468
00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:53,160
They want to have a put together an educational campaign

469
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:55,380
on, you know, help beautifying our yards

470
00:42:55,380 --> 00:42:57,560
and proper tree planning, taking care,

471
00:42:57,660 --> 00:42:58,520
what kind of trees work.

472
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,520
We mentioned Bretney that they may,

473
00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:02,240
as we're redeveloped on the website,

474
00:43:02,780 --> 00:43:04,700
have a way that we can help promote it

475
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:06,120
through there too.

476
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,160
Okay, that's all I have.

477
00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:10,440
Who's next?

478
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,780
Could we do anything with the 146 exit?

479
00:43:14,060 --> 00:43:15,500
It looks so terrible.

480
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:17,420
Could it be beautified at all?

481
00:43:27,820 --> 00:43:29,500
Do you mean the intersection itself?

482
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,760
Well, as you come off and come out toward Maverick,

483
00:43:34,060 --> 00:43:35,580
it's just the strash everywhere.

484
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,360
There's no landscape name.

485
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,860
It doesn't say welcome to Drey Per sign and stuff.

486
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,560
Yeah, well, what comes, my dear?

487
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:47,620
Thank you.

488
00:43:48,140 --> 00:43:51,900
Would you want the Tree Commission to give any suggestions

489
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:52,900
on that or not?

490
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:57,620
I'm not, David, would you want them to give any suggestions on that?

491
00:43:57,620 --> 00:43:58,680
But I can give us, leave it alone.

492
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,900
Give this staff a real quick chance to just look at it and see what options there are.

493
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,400
Part of it is it's controlled by you, some of it's controlled by you.

494
00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:04,980
Yeah.

495
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:10,840
So we just have to see what Jerry's, we can do something at, and maybe you don't want to let us do

496
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,000
some work, but we can look at it.

497
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,000
That would be nice, especially with plural sight, that's going to be used a lot there.

498
00:44:18,380 --> 00:44:21,660
I don't know what's going on with all the trash there recently, but I've gotten a couple

499
00:44:21,660 --> 00:44:23,860
complaints about how poorly it's looking.

500
00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:28,570
Well, they can't they can't put the

501
00:44:28,570 --> 00:44:34,210
convicts out to pick up the trash on account of the COVID. So usually you have

502
00:44:34,210 --> 00:44:38,830
people out doing their community service if you will and now their community

503
00:44:38,830 --> 00:44:45,230
cannot be served due to the COVID. So the trash crews may be quarantined if you

504
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:48,710
will. That could be one of the reasons,

505
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:54,870
but hopefully we can get them back out

506
00:45:00,530 --> 00:45:02,110
Mr. Roberts, do you have anything?

507
00:45:04,380 --> 00:45:30,360
I don't have anything except addressing this public comment. I was forwarded to us by Kelly. Is that was that about the dearest property? Yeah, I'm not sure what they're looking for. Well, council's direction was once we sold off the 10 acres or so up there that we would put the remaining property in the conservation movement. So we were just going to wait until that happened. And then

508
00:45:31,540 --> 00:45:35,320
We've got any bytes interest on that property at all.

509
00:45:36,020 --> 00:45:39,560
Yeah, last I talked with the real estate agents.

510
00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:45,860
We have had several developers that were interested in the property.

511
00:45:46,140 --> 00:45:51,860
We did have a single user that's looking at possibly purchasing it.

512
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:58,360
Last I talked to him, he was hoping to get an offer, but we still haven't seen that yet.

513
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,620
Thank you, that's all from me.

514
00:46:01,660 --> 00:46:02,520
It's Fondry.

515
00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:04,200
I don't have anything.

516
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,420
I had one thing.

517
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:15,520
So I had a chance, Kelly and I had a chance to interview all the applicants for the new board, the cultural diversity inclusion board.

518
00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:21,320
And I've selected the nine people plus three alternates that I want to have on it.

519
00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:25,410
You should all have been given an opportunity to look over all those names if you haven't.

520
00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:28,410
but there's a packet you can get to look over.

521
00:46:28,990 --> 00:46:30,590
I just wanted you to see who they were

522
00:46:30,590 --> 00:46:32,910
and if you have any issues, just talk to me about it.

523
00:46:33,110 --> 00:46:34,590
I'm happy to talk about them.

524
00:46:35,310 --> 00:46:37,190
Kind of go through the process, what we did,

525
00:46:37,290 --> 00:46:40,410
but it was a pretty awesome experience.

526
00:46:40,570 --> 00:46:41,610
We had a lot of applicants,

527
00:46:42,310 --> 00:46:44,150
and it's a great group of people.

528
00:46:44,270 --> 00:46:45,690
I'm pretty excited about it, actually.

529
00:46:46,890 --> 00:46:50,690
There are a lot of very interesting, well-educated

530
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:52,970
and diverse groups of folks

531
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:54,810
that are very interested in seeing our community

532
00:46:54,810 --> 00:46:58,670
to be, you know, more diverse and more sensitive to those issues.

533
00:46:58,910 --> 00:47:01,370
So I think it'll be, it'll be a great thing.

534
00:47:01,370 --> 00:47:04,670
We're going to hopefully put it on the agenda for our next meeting.

535
00:47:04,670 --> 00:47:08,050
So you can get those guys in place and working.

536
00:47:08,310 --> 00:47:13,370
So and then, um, thanks, mayor for putting the work in on that.

537
00:47:13,590 --> 00:47:14,650
I think that's going to be really good.

538
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:15,810
I think it will be.

539
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:16,290
Yeah.

540
00:47:16,570 --> 00:47:24,430
And then we, we had the, we had for a few of us, David and me and Fred,

541
00:47:24,430 --> 00:47:30,850
went on the Jordan River a couple been three weeks ago now probably but I just

542
00:47:30,850 --> 00:47:34,250
wanted y'all to know that I wasn't sure what it was going to be like to canoe

543
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:38,030
down the Jordan River because I haven't done it for a long time but it was

544
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:44,950
actually quite lovely it was very it was fun it was it was pretty fun and you

545
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:48,290
know there was one canoe that tipped over a few times but my sister was in that

546
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:53,150
she's not a very good canoeer but but it was it was cool to see the river from

547
00:47:53,150 --> 00:48:00,210
perspective and I think that we ought to maybe do some focus if we can. I know we're

548
00:48:00,210 --> 00:48:04,130
putting our boat dock in but I just wanted to know I think that resource, the opportunity

549
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:09,310
to recreate there is going to be pretty awesome. And the other question I have is if we

550
00:48:09,310 --> 00:48:17,890
do a dock at the launch point at the Rotary Park, I wonder if I was wondering about finding

551
00:48:17,890 --> 00:48:22,490
some way to maybe improve a way to get out of the river like at 114th or wherever we did.

552
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:25,810
Now, I had a little trouble navigating myself out of the canoe.

553
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:32,050
I stayed completely dry until that part, but I felt in the river at the deepest point

554
00:48:32,050 --> 00:48:32,550
of the river.

555
00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:37,650
But if we're going to do that boat launch, maybe there's a way we could find a spot

556
00:48:37,650 --> 00:48:41,490
or two to make it clear out an area so people could run there, you know, get out of the

557
00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:41,690
river.

558
00:48:44,740 --> 00:48:46,200
If you'd maybe look into that, Rhett.

559
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,620
I don't think you have to do like a dock, but like it was a, it was a, it was a treacherous

560
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:56,900
get out spot. Isn't that a part of the county's plans when they do the loading

561
00:48:56,900 --> 00:49:02,780
docks to make it in area to easily get in and out of? Yeah, they've got

562
00:49:02,780 --> 00:49:08,560
several places planned. I think the closest one if you put in a rotary would be

563
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:14,240
in South Jordan but there might be just a casual place that we could clear

564
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:19,320
out. Maybe we just got out there to make it shorter but it was it was a spot

565
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,440
where there was a way to fall in.

566
00:49:21,740 --> 00:49:25,800
Didn't Mr. Dobbins manage to get out easily and drive?

567
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,800
He's a lot, he's a lot skinnier than me in April to him.

568
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,120
He was in the front of the canoe.

569
00:49:30,740 --> 00:49:33,360
I got him right up to the get-outs spot,

570
00:49:33,420 --> 00:49:35,460
and then I had to, he left me essentially.

571
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,120
That's what it was, he just left me in there

572
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,200
and canoe was unstable due to my girth and went over.

573
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,860
But it'd be something that one person could accomplish

574
00:49:47,860 --> 00:49:54,260
on their own but it was I would call it a little different than that but that's okay it was it

575
00:49:54,260 --> 00:49:58,020
was cool to do though and I think we all y'all ought to go try it we ought to do it again because it

576
00:49:58,020 --> 00:49:59,440
It was, it was fun.

577
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,140
It's a cool river. It's not as deep in most places as where I fell in, but we ran it ground

578
00:50:06,140 --> 00:50:10,220
with time with you, but it was, I think there's, it's a great, I think there's awesome

579
00:50:10,220 --> 00:50:15,200
potential, especially as it goes by our TOD spot, and all the areas there that people could

580
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,600
really get to enjoy it. It could be cool. I just think it's a matter of people don't realize

581
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:25,480
it's another recreational thing we have. There was a really cool company that came and spoke

582
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:31,640
at parks and trails, a nonprofit group. He actually lives here in Draper that wants to set up a little

583
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:41,100
business to rent kayaks and can use and bikes at the new Rotary Park. Yeah, and he then also

584
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:46,120
run a little shuttle to bring people back from wherever they get off. So I think that would be cool,

585
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:53,140
just to make it more available. If you could have a shuttle thing set up, it would be that would be

586
00:50:53,140 --> 00:51:01,160
golden. But it's it's it's it was pretty fun I liked it so what's the water like like when you're

587
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:01,960
actually in it?

588
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:13,740
Well he didn't die so surprisingly it was surprisingly really quite clear yeah it was

589
00:51:13,740 --> 00:51:20,040
clear it didn't you know it's I mean it was pretty clean I mean the water's clean there's just some

590
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:25,380
spots where there's trash but um that you know but it yeah it was I was surprised I

591
00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:30,520
I thought it'd be more canal-like than it was it wasn't it wasn't there's it

592
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,480
moves pretty fast too that that's what I was really kind of surprised by how fast it

593
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:42,480
goes it was from what 123rd to 114th South it was about what 40 minutes 35 40

594
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:48,880
minutes you would had no idea that you were in the middle of the city yeah it was

595
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,940
it was pretty awesome but that was all I had Mr. Green did you have any council

596
00:51:53,940 --> 00:51:59,760
manager items? All right that we have about 10 minutes and we go ahead. We've had

597
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:05,400
a string of break ins at cars at trailheads and parking lots. Some of these are

598
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,020
happening just in the middle of the day while people are other people are in that

599
00:52:10,020 --> 00:52:14,860
area so we had a meeting today with chief finding and rat we're looking at what

600
00:52:14,860 --> 00:52:19,000
that would take to put security cameras in our parking lots

601
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,340
and areas so that we can increase the safety.

602
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:25,900
And if there is a break in, we will have a recording of it.

603
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,140
So probably about a month or two of a plan to come back to you.

604
00:52:30,060 --> 00:52:31,880
But you'll probably hear from residents

605
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,140
that there's a growing concern about how

606
00:52:34,140 --> 00:52:35,420
brazen these people are.

607
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,980
We've had two, at least in the last two weeks,

608
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,720
I'm aware of, within 10 minutes of the person parking

609
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:43,660
or car leaving, the car was broken into you.

610
00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:48,860
So it's clear that people are watching them and are going after it.

611
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:54,880
We're going to remind people not to leave things in their cars, don't leave valuables in

612
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:55,060
it.

613
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,300
That will help discourage it.

614
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:03,580
But clearly there's a lot of activity going on that we want to deal with, but we think

615
00:53:03,580 --> 00:53:04,920
that we can deal with some of it.

616
00:53:04,940 --> 00:53:10,140
We have a few parking lots that just don't have access or don't have power that we may not

617
00:53:10,140 --> 00:53:14,720
be able to get it to, but we're going to look at all of our parking areas to see if we can address it.

618
00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:18,390
That's all I had.

619
00:53:22,420 --> 00:53:28,740
Due to the excessive COVID-19 issues that we are experiencing, where many more

620
00:53:28,740 --> 00:53:36,860
people are using the outdoors and the parking lots, etc. Is it a COVID-related potential to have maybe

621
00:53:36,860 --> 00:53:44,060
you can hire some private security, you know, a security company to do some patrols just

622
00:53:44,060 --> 00:53:49,120
to just maybe not forever, but just to get it, what's a potential for that.

623
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:54,300
Maybe I'll just have to look at the federal legislation on it and see if it qualifies.

624
00:53:55,300 --> 00:54:02,800
Basically, the funding, it's clear it stays that it has to be a direct COVID-related expense.

625
00:54:04,180 --> 00:54:09,760
And then they leave it up to us to make that decision with the caveat that if they think we're wrong then we pay it back.

626
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:11,940
So we just, I'll go through and look at it.

627
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:19,420
I think that pandemic training center with a very large theater to help a lot of people come in and learn about pandemics is a good idea.

628
00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:31,000
Back to that though, we do have more people out using the trails and more people out unemployed to be able to steal from them.

629
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,420
And that is all COVID related.

630
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,320
So I mean, I don't think private security be that expensive.

631
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,600
It would supplement our cops.

632
00:54:38,940 --> 00:54:41,720
And they, I mean, I think that's enough of a deterrent.

633
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,000
On childless, chief, I didn't see what he thinks.

634
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:44,920
I'll let you know.

635
00:54:45,780 --> 00:54:50,260
All right, then anyone else with the Mr. Rat?

636
00:54:50,460 --> 00:54:50,660
Go ahead.

637
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,300
If I could just quick, Mayor.

638
00:54:52,620 --> 00:54:56,500
We've had a trail naming policy question for you.

639
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,780
If you remember 2015, we passed a resolution saying it's

640
00:55:00,340 --> 00:55:30,280
Recommended to get council approval to name a trail after someone's name. We've had several private donors that have had the opportunity to name a trail, but when it's named after someone that requires council approval. Some of the last ones we've done would be like Lexi and Ethan Trail, Ralph Trail, after Ralph Wadsworth, of course Clarksman's. The executive director of the Quorum Canyon Trellist Foundation is paid for many trails and just put in the one

641
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:35,480
connecting Anne's to up to the Rage Hill connecting to the higher new trail. He's

642
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:41,260
requested to name that trail or that portion to name it Liffey's Trail which would

643
00:55:41,260 --> 00:55:47,160
be after his adopted daughter. I'm just putting that forth towards the Mayor

644
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:52,760
Council with that something you would be interested in doing or I could do it in a

645
00:55:52,760 --> 00:56:00,260
more formal process if you prefer. That was just his request to name Liffey's

646
00:56:00,260 --> 00:56:03,360
trail. Is this bill becker? Yes.

647
00:56:05,530 --> 00:56:11,070
You just put a lot of time into it for sure. What's your other?

648
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:17,190
We'd have to put on an agenda. You just want to see what the temperature is for it. I think the

649
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:24,310
resolution says it's just suggested to get council approval. I could formally put it in a resolution if

650
00:56:24,310 --> 00:56:24,590
you prefer.

651
00:56:28,450 --> 00:56:32,050
I don't have a problem with it because nice if you had a formal resolution and there's

652
00:56:32,050 --> 00:56:39,740
record of it for for them to you know what we can do that next but not I would probably

653
00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:44,420
good idea just to make it formal so we'll we'll come back with it and let's make sure that Bill

654
00:56:44,420 --> 00:56:53,640
really wanted this trail because he kind of wasn't sure at the end of the last meeting okay he was

655
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:59,120
like well maybe not this trail I'm not sure about this trail anymore the next trail all right that

656
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:04,160
gives you about a seven minute break so we'll take a break until our seven o'clock meeting

657
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:10,800
Behind folks. Let's get I'd like to call our study or a

658
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,820
Britha session to order. It is a little bit past seven.

659
00:57:15,860 --> 00:57:20,920
Normally we're on time. Our first item is a proclamation.

660
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,200
Am I reading this proclamation? I think

661
00:57:28,490 --> 00:57:29,390
I will read it.

662
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:34,830
This is a it's item number two. It's a proclamation regarding

663
00:57:34,830 --> 00:57:41,390
including the declaring October 4th through the 10th, 2020 as fire prevention week.

664
00:57:42,030 --> 00:57:43,270
So let me read this proclamation.

665
00:57:43,410 --> 00:57:47,950
Whereas the city of Draper, Utah is committed to improving the safety and security of all

666
00:57:47,950 --> 00:57:49,870
those living in and visiting Draper City.

667
00:57:50,250 --> 00:57:55,210
And whereas fire is a serious public safety concern both locally and nationally, and homes

668
00:57:55,210 --> 00:57:58,890
are the locations where people are at greatest risk from fire.

669
00:57:58,890 --> 00:58:05,310
And whereas home fires killed more than 2,630 people in the United States in 2017,

670
00:58:05,890 --> 00:58:09,290
according to the National Fire Protection Association, the NFPA,

671
00:58:10,030 --> 00:58:15,630
and fire departments in the United States responded to 357,000 home fires.

672
00:58:16,210 --> 00:58:20,390
And whereas cooking is the leading cause of home fires in the United States,

673
00:58:20,830 --> 00:58:27,950
where fire departments respond to more than 173,200 annually between 2013 and 2017.

674
00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:35,030
and we're as two of every five home fires start in the kitchen with 31% of these fires

675
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:40,830
resulting from unattended cooking and we're as more than half of reported non-fatal home

676
00:58:40,830 --> 00:58:45,630
cooking fire injuries occurred when the victims tried to fight the fire themselves whereas

677
00:58:45,630 --> 00:58:50,230
children under five faced a higher risk of non-fire burns associated with cooking than

678
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:55,830
being burned in a cooking fire whereas draper city residents should stay in the kitchen when

679
00:58:55,830 --> 00:59:01,310
frying food on the stovetop, keep a three-foot kid-free zone around cooking areas, and keep

680
00:59:01,310 --> 00:59:03,930
anything that can catch fire away from stovetops.

681
00:59:04,490 --> 00:59:08,430
Whereas residents who have planned and participated at a home fire skate plant are more prepared

682
00:59:08,430 --> 00:59:13,650
and will therefore be more likely to survive a fire, and whereas working smoke alarms cut

683
00:59:13,650 --> 00:59:19,050
the risk of dying and reported home fires in half, whereas Draper City's first responders

684
00:59:19,050 --> 00:59:23,970
are dedicated to reducing the occurrence of home fires and home fire injuries through prevention

685
00:59:23,970 --> 00:59:46,650
and fire protection education, and whereas drapes of these residents are responsive to public education matters and can take personal steps to increase their safety from fire, especially in their homes and whereas the 2020 fire prevention week theme, serve up fire safety in the kitchen effectively serves to remind us to stay alert and use caution when cooking to reduce the risk of kitchen fires.

686
00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:51,930
Therefore, I mayor Troy Walker, a very busy city to hear by proclaim October the 4th through

687
00:59:51,930 --> 00:59:57,930
the 10th, 2020, as fire prevention week and throughout the city and I urge all people

688
00:59:57,930 --> 00:59:59,170
will very percentage to check their

689
00:59:59,170 --> 00:59:59,950
Kitchens for fire.

690
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:29,980
All right. That was a long one. What a good one. All right. That's done. Item number three is public comment, general public comment period. I know we got one public comment emailed to us. Mr. Fox is there anyone on the on the Zoom would like to make a public comment.

691
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:36,300
I will ask if anyone would like to make public comment at this point in time, click on

692
01:00:36,300 --> 01:00:40,260
your name and then click the race hand feature and then I will unmute you.

693
01:00:48,140 --> 01:00:50,100
Mr. Mayor, nobody's raised their hand at this point.

694
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:50,320
All right.

695
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,100
Seeing no one for general public comment, I'll close that public comment and bring it back

696
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:54,580
to the council.

697
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,400
Item number four is a consent items.

698
01:00:56,900 --> 01:01:00,700
Item A is approval of the September 15th, 2020 City Council meeting minutes.

699
01:01:01,180 --> 01:01:04,320
Item B is approval of September 20th, 2020 City Council meeting.

700
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:09,220
In the treatment minutes, item C is approval of ordinance number 1455,

701
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:15,600
amending section 7-4-130, and 15-1-050 of the drape sheet municipal code,

702
01:01:16,100 --> 01:01:19,200
pertaining to firearms and disturbance and disturbance of wildlife.

703
01:01:22,110 --> 01:01:27,350
Item D is approval of ordinance number 1460, enacting a temporary land use

704
01:01:27,350 --> 01:01:34,030
regulation that suspends certain provisions of subsection 9-26-080D of the drape

705
01:01:34,030 --> 01:01:39,690
Mr. Smith, regarding temporary signage, those are all the consent items, council members.

706
01:01:40,030 --> 01:01:40,570
Mr. Mayor.

707
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:41,770
Ms. Fodderick.

708
01:01:42,030 --> 01:01:44,630
I move we approve consent items A through D.

709
01:01:45,130 --> 01:01:48,850
Motion is to approve items A through D and my Ms. Fodderick is there a second.

710
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:49,970
I'll second.

711
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:51,350
Second by Mr. Roberts.

712
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:52,650
Any further discussion?

713
01:01:54,130 --> 01:01:55,110
Ms. Fodder, how do you vote?

714
01:01:55,290 --> 01:01:55,430
Yes.

715
01:01:55,770 --> 01:01:56,230
Mr. Roberts.

716
01:01:56,790 --> 01:01:57,010
Yes.

717
01:01:57,250 --> 01:01:57,650
Mr. Green.

718
01:01:57,890 --> 01:01:58,070
Yes.

719
01:01:58,730 --> 01:01:59,550
Mr. Lowry.

720
01:01:59,830 --> 01:02:00,070
No.

721
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:02,900
Mr. Lowry.

722
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:03,660
Yes.

723
01:02:03,660 --> 01:02:09,080
and Miss Lowry is no, right, so that item passes four to one.

724
01:02:09,980 --> 01:02:12,840
Item five is next, this is a public hearing.

725
01:02:13,340 --> 01:02:19,940
It's ordinance number 1458 and number 1459, one, two, three, XD land use and zone map amendment.

726
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:25,620
It's a request by Keaton Morton representing XD development to amend the land use map for

727
01:02:25,620 --> 01:02:32,880
the southern half of the subject property from town center to neighborhood commercial and to amend the zoning designation for

728
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:39,560
the entire site from RA2 residential agricultural 20,000 square foot lot, a minimum to CC community

729
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:47,520
commercial, the properties located approximately 736 East, 1, 2,300 South, and 749 and 3763 East

730
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,300
Pioneer Road. Staff report by Mary Ann, go ahead Mary Ann.

731
01:02:50,860 --> 01:02:56,360
Thank you Mayor. The subject property is shown on your screen, and you can see it borders

732
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,780
there's a hundred and twenty-third south on the north and then it goes all the way through to

733
01:03:00,780 --> 01:03:07,080
green your road on the south. 700 east is just to the west of the site and this corner

734
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,400
parcel here you would know as the Beehive Homes development.

735
01:03:11,820 --> 01:03:16,860
As noted the current land use designation for these parcels is split, the northern half

736
01:03:16,860 --> 01:03:22,360
is neighborhood commercial and the southern half is currently town center. The applicant

737
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:29,220
is proposing to change the entire site to neighborhood commercial and then also as noted the current

738
01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:35,920
zoning of the property is RA2 which is the brown and the applicant is requesting to rezone to

739
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:43,420
CC. We can see there is some CC in the area on the east side here which is known as hangar 15 bicycles

740
01:03:44,210 --> 01:03:50,380
and then also adjacent and across the street to where 711 is to the north where the shopping center

741
01:03:50,380 --> 01:03:59,040
as worked on in these is is CN. The CC zone is what the applicant has requested and that would

742
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:05,400
allow a building up to 45 feet or approximately three stories and height. Any proposed building

743
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:12,260
the applicant has indicated that it would be closer to the 123rd frontage and the rear portion

744
01:04:12,260 --> 01:04:19,980
would be used for parking and then access onto Pioneer Road. The CN zone across the street has a

745
01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:22,380
height limit of 35 feet for reference.

746
01:04:24,430 --> 01:04:26,810
This was heard before the Planning Commission

747
01:04:26,810 --> 01:04:28,610
on June 11th, 2020,

748
01:04:28,990 --> 01:04:31,490
and the negative recommendation was forwarded

749
01:04:31,490 --> 01:04:33,690
to the City Council with a vote of four to one.

750
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:36,850
These are some photos of the site.

751
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:40,870
This part of 123 is currently the large field

752
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:43,110
and the house here is the one

753
01:04:43,110 --> 01:04:45,330
that typically puts up all the inflatables

754
01:04:45,770 --> 01:04:46,950
for the different holidays.

755
01:04:47,770 --> 01:04:49,990
And then this is the entrance from the backside

756
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:55,390
from Pioneer the canal is just over here on the left side of the screen and then

757
01:04:55,390 --> 01:04:57,090
and the high pumps is over.

758
01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:59,850
I did receive one.

759
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:09,320
Call from a neighboring property, and he was just looking for more information about the application. It'd be happy to answer any questions you have.

760
01:05:13,770 --> 01:05:15,590
Anyone have any questions for Mary Ann?

761
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:25,280
All right, seeing none at this time is the, is the applicant online?

762
01:05:28,350 --> 01:05:33,870
Previously, there was Eric from XD development was online, and I don't see him anymore.

763
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:44,030
All right. The applicant's not on there. Let me go to

764
01:05:44,030 --> 01:05:50,690
to the public hearing, is there anyone from the public that would like to address the council on item number five?

765
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:59,690
Again, anyone who's interested in doing public comment, press on the presentation, or

766
01:05:59,690 --> 01:06:05,790
excuse me, press on the participants button, click on your name and hit the raise hand feature.

767
01:06:21,970 --> 01:06:26,530
Council, I just received a request from the applicant to withdraw the application.

768
01:06:28,110 --> 01:06:32,050
All right, Mr. Fox, was there anyone from the public that wanted to comment?

769
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:33,490
No, Mr. Mayor.

770
01:06:34,030 --> 01:06:35,790
All right, okay, so we'll close the public hearing.

771
01:06:36,210 --> 01:06:37,250
This all over, go ahead again.

772
01:06:37,350 --> 01:06:39,570
You're saying that the applicant wants to withdraw?

773
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:50,100
Mr. Barker, give us your legal analysis, said withdraw.

774
01:06:51,320 --> 01:07:01,680
I believe the applicant is under our ordinance if I'm not mistaken is allowed to pull that mask down just a little, sir.

775
01:07:02,980 --> 01:07:06,760
I think under our code they're allowed to withdraw their application anytime.

776
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:08,920
It's treated differently than any.

777
01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:13,600
Let me just check our code to verify that.

778
01:07:15,340 --> 01:07:15,780
Mr.

779
01:07:30,850 --> 01:07:32,530
Barkin, can we still vote on it if we want?

780
01:07:33,890 --> 01:07:36,990
I think if they wanted a draw, there would be no vote at this point.

781
01:07:37,130 --> 01:07:37,330
Okay.

782
01:07:37,730 --> 01:07:40,430
Would be a null application, if you will.

783
01:07:50,260 --> 01:07:51,760
No pressure, Mr. Barker.

784
01:07:52,020 --> 01:07:54,980
No, there's nothing like looking up code while we're silent.

785
01:07:58,110 --> 01:08:03,830
I have a curiosity question for Mary Ann, if we want to entertain that while you're.

786
01:08:03,830 --> 01:08:04,670
Fill the silence.

787
01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:10,210
So Mary Ann, was there a reason why the town center zoning didn't fit on their parking?

788
01:08:10,790 --> 01:08:16,570
I mean, it was the Townsend or Land Use designation, but it wasn't zoned that.

789
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:39,910
No, but they would have the only zone that's compatible with the Townsend or Land Use is the Townsend or Zoned, and that zone, it'd be very difficult to develop the site because the buildings have to be closer to the street, and it would almost make this pioneer roadside difficult to use as access, and they would need it because they only have that one access on 123rd.

790
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:53,550
Thank you. Mr. Mayor, I was looking under a separate section of code but under under 9-5-040C, the applicant can withdraw an application anytime prior to action on the application by the council.

791
01:08:54,590 --> 01:09:04,330
So if they've made their intent to withdraw their application known, then I think at this point there's nothing back upon.

792
01:09:04,330 --> 01:09:10,730
Okay, Mr. Oliver, that's their intent, it was the withdrawal, you're 100% it's the right applicant and

793
01:09:12,270 --> 01:09:12,910
Okay

794
01:09:13,610 --> 01:09:23,850
All right, well that makes that one easier that item number five for the record has been withdrawn from consideration by the council by the applicant

795
01:09:24,530 --> 01:09:26,550
via text message to

796
01:09:27,130 --> 01:09:27,970
Miss Oliver

797
01:09:27,970 --> 01:09:29,390
all right

798
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:31,690
For the record

799
01:09:31,690 --> 01:09:36,750
All right, number six is also, now this is the question I have.

800
01:09:36,890 --> 01:09:39,070
Didn't we do a public hearing on 6 and 7 already?

801
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:40,330
Yes.

802
01:09:41,690 --> 01:09:42,770
We continue to.

803
01:09:43,230 --> 01:09:45,210
Okay, so these aren't going to be public hearing items.

804
01:09:45,390 --> 01:09:48,490
That's a, for the record, that's a misprint on this agenda.

805
01:09:49,090 --> 01:09:50,290
We've already done the public hearing.

806
01:09:50,290 --> 01:09:50,930
It was closed.

807
01:09:51,490 --> 01:09:54,010
So these items are set for the Council to take action.

808
01:09:54,190 --> 01:09:57,230
These should be an action item, item number six, action item.

809
01:09:57,230 --> 01:09:59,910
So item number six as an action item is

810
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:29,960
Ordinance, December 1457. It's the short subdivision zoning map amendment. It's on the request of ballot, short to amend the zoning designation for the property of RA1 residential agricultural, 40,000 square footlot minimum to RA2 residential agricultural, 20,000 square footlot minimum, the property is approximately 1.5 acres in size and is located approximately 1017 East 13200 South. And we have a staff report by Mr. Todd Draper, a descendant of William Draper.

811
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:30,560
go ahead, sir.

812
01:10:33,390 --> 01:10:34,210
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

813
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:37,800
So as you

814
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:43,660
quickly stated, this was presented at the last council meeting. I don't have

815
01:10:43,660 --> 01:10:47,220
anything new necessarily to add, but I can go through the slides again if there's

816
01:10:47,220 --> 01:10:54,960
anything that you have questions on. This is a rezone or a zoning map amendment

817
01:10:54,960 --> 01:11:01,160
from the RA1 to the RA2 zone. And it's by Alex short.

818
01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:12,480
Okay, councilmembers, you had a chance to hear this and consider it, heard public hearing.

819
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,560
It's now for action. Is there a motion?

820
01:11:18,100 --> 01:11:21,580
What did the planning commission vote on this? They moved 4-1 correct to pass.

821
01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:31,680
So, Todd, if you're planning staff, what I have for my notes was I believe they were 5-0 before a positive recommendation to the council.

822
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:32,620
I

823
01:11:36,420 --> 01:11:38,420
actually have some concerns about this one.

824
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,940
I'm worried that it's going to have an adverse impact on some of the adjacent property.

825
01:11:44,620 --> 01:11:46,780
Mr. Mayor, I move to deny the application.

826
01:11:47,580 --> 01:11:53,300
All right, Mr. Green's made a motion to deny item number six, one is number 1457.

827
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:54,980
Is there a second?

828
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:56,040
I'll second that.

829
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,980
All right, motion by Mr. Green and a second by Ms. Lowry.

830
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,920
Is there further discussion on the motion, Mr. Green?

831
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:14,200
I just have too many questions about its access entry compliance with the flag law that I just think it's best to that stay that one acre.

832
01:12:15,500 --> 01:12:23,800
I would agree. I just think it just doesn't just doesn't seem to fit by by changing that.

833
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:33,800
We are looking to maintain some unique characteristics in this neighborhood and it should have some of these large lots remain.

834
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:39,440
And I do believe that there are some adverse impacts on the adjacent properties by moving forward here

835
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:44,710
Any further discussion or comments?

836
01:12:47,470 --> 01:12:55,350
All right, seeing none. I'm Mr. Green. How do you vote? Yes? Ms. Lowry. Yes, Mr. Lowry. Yes, Ms. Faudry. No

837
01:12:56,010 --> 01:12:57,050
Mr. Roberts

838
01:12:58,590 --> 01:12:59,070
No

839
01:12:59,070 --> 01:13:03,550
All right, that item passes three to two

840
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:08,510
The denial passes how many passes three to two and it has been denied

841
01:13:09,390 --> 01:13:15,830
Item number seven is also misappropriatedly written as a public hearing.

842
01:13:15,930 --> 01:13:17,090
It's an action item.

843
01:13:17,090 --> 01:13:20,750
We've already done the public hearing, so I'm going to correct that.

844
01:13:20,990 --> 01:13:23,330
So this is item number seven is an action item.

845
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:25,550
It's ordinance number 1456.

846
01:13:25,730 --> 01:13:28,450
City initiated flag law text amendment.

847
01:13:28,990 --> 01:13:35,030
It's on the request of driver city for a text amendment to amend section 9-27-090 flag

848
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:43,990
this application is known as the city initiated flag lot tax amendment, and we'll have, again, staff report Mr. Todd Draper go ahead sir.

849
01:13:45,390 --> 01:13:51,930
Thank you again Mr. Mayor Todd Draper here. We do have a little bit additional present here tonight.

850
01:13:52,650 --> 01:13:57,150
After this came before you at the last meeting we did take the ordinance back.

851
01:13:57,150 --> 01:14:01,590
made a couple of additional changes to the one that's reflected in front of you the night,

852
01:14:02,190 --> 01:14:10,570
where we have removed the section that increased area of the flag portion of the lot, we have

853
01:14:10,570 --> 01:14:19,750
again reduced or restored the width to the 20 feet of the stem portion of the lot, we removed

854
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:22,570
the landscaping requirements that were in that ordinance.

855
01:14:23,950 --> 01:14:28,570
If there's any other questions or pieces that you'd like me to go over, I'd be happy to.

856
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,660
Anyone have any questions, comments? Further discussion?

857
01:14:40,460 --> 01:14:45,280
On the written text part, number 16 is all I noted.

858
01:14:46,020 --> 01:14:46,780
Can we go there?

859
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,880
Maybe you didn't write. Maybe it's not out.

860
01:15:00,590 --> 01:15:12,950
Number 16 talked about limiting how much area of the lot could be used for the house. And I just question

861
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:19,090
we're already limiting them by adding to the setback, we're limiting the height.

862
01:15:21,690 --> 01:15:22,250
I'm just

863
01:15:22,250 --> 01:15:31,970
wondering if we should also put, you know, more of a restriction on how much of the lot they

864
01:15:31,970 --> 01:15:32,690
can build on.

865
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:36,320
So that's my question.

866
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:42,680
Move the microphone closer.

867
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:47,320
Go ahead now.

868
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:53,820
Are you asking if we should further restrict it? Well I think we did restrict it

869
01:15:53,820 --> 01:15:59,620
more than a lot of this acreage would be restricted and I'm thinking that

870
01:15:59,620 --> 01:16:05,260
maybe we don't need to go that far is what my point is or my question is.

871
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:07,920
Well

872
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:09,180
There it is down at the bottom.

873
01:16:09,420 --> 01:16:13,820
Total up coverage of flag lots is limited to no more than 35% of the area.

874
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:21,580
I just think it should be the same as whatever that zoning allows.

875
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,540
Because I think we've already limited them twice.

876
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,140
So that's just my comment.

877
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:31,760
What about the 30 feet height?

878
01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:34,900
I'm fine with the other two.

879
01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:37,840
With the setbacks and the height, I just don't.

880
01:16:38,820 --> 01:16:45,640
I just think that we should leave that as the same as any other lot of that size would be allowed.

881
01:16:48,780 --> 01:16:53,120
Because we've already protected the neighbors by limiting the height from the setbacks.

882
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:03,080
Susan, you just want it to be whatever a lot that size would allow.

883
01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:04,920
Would allow it? Yeah, not so.

884
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:09,140
So it's not a change. It's just staying with what they get in my sense, I see.

885
01:17:09,140 --> 01:17:17,940
But isn't part of the purpose of doing this was to protect the other property owners

886
01:17:17,940 --> 01:17:24,180
around there from having something that would be too obtrusive in their backyard.

887
01:17:24,860 --> 01:17:30,040
Yeah, so what I'm saying is we've already increased the setbacks from the neighbors.

888
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:33,220
We've already decreased the height allowed.

889
01:17:33,220 --> 01:17:38,980
So do we need to further limit the size of the bill?

890
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:45,740
Because you're saying by increasing the setback, that 30 foot height wouldn't impact them as much, because it'd be setback further.

891
01:17:49,630 --> 01:17:53,810
I'm saying that we've already proposed to decrease their height, right?

892
01:17:54,670 --> 01:17:58,090
No, is the 30 feet, is that a decrease?

893
01:17:59,070 --> 01:18:00,150
Todd, right over here.

894
01:18:00,450 --> 01:18:01,330
Yes, that is a decrease.

895
01:18:01,330 --> 01:18:08,710
increase. Is it 10 feet decrease or 5 foot I believe. 35 feet to 30.

896
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:11,980
So anyway I'm

897
01:18:11,980 --> 01:18:16,460
just saying that it feels to me like we've already limited the size of our

898
01:18:16,460 --> 01:18:21,280
building and I just wonder if we need to continue to limit or treat it the

899
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,380
same as another lot in that zone would be training.

900
01:18:35,580 --> 01:18:37,120
This one's a tough one. I

901
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:42,640
think the staff you've done a really good job on that a really good job on this

902
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:48,720
and then coming back and put a lot of thought into it and I appreciate your

903
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:53,100
patience with us on it. I think one of the biggest concerns we just want to

904
01:18:53,100 --> 01:18:59,600
make sure we do it right. Because it does impact a lot of people. We don't want

905
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:05,600
it to be too restrictive but we also want to make sure that it prevents too much of

906
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,800
an impact on the people that will live around it.

907
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:12,180
So Christina, will you speak to

908
01:19:12,180 --> 01:19:16,440
that do you think that it is sufficient with the setbacks or do you think that

909
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:20,280
this additional one is necessary to achieve what we've been trying to achieve

910
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:36,870
you're

911
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:47,140
mic on we can't hear you very well can you put closer to your COVID generator if

912
01:19:47,140 --> 01:19:47,340
could.

913
01:19:53,890 --> 01:19:59,930
Oh, we do. We got our

914
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,840
Aye, tea guy back. You missed us so much. I know.

915
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,560
Probably user error. Is that better?

916
01:20:09,670 --> 01:20:32,870
Little. I will speak very loud and firmly and enunciate. So it just truly is a decision of whether or not you want to house at 40% of the lock coverage or at 35%. It's the floor plate of the house. That's the only thing you're making the determination on. So 35% will result in a smaller home.

917
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:38,270
But not necessarily in height, it could still.

918
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:41,660
I'm sorry.

919
01:20:42,820 --> 01:20:45,820
That doesn't really restrict the height as much though, right?

920
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:46,840
Yeah.

921
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:49,980
The height will still be limited.

922
01:20:50,440 --> 01:20:50,740
In

923
01:20:56,050 --> 01:21:00,650
all of the residential zones, we have a 35 height limit.

924
01:21:02,530 --> 01:21:07,290
And we're reducing it to 30 for this particular type of an application.

925
01:21:07,290 --> 01:21:16,990
So in concrete numbers for me to try to grasp, let's say it's like a half acre that someone's trying to build this flag lot on.

926
01:21:17,550 --> 01:21:23,670
What would this translate in square footage? You're to run that quick method.

927
01:21:25,990 --> 01:21:27,570
I'm just here to say it's a good one.

928
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:28,530
It is.

929
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:30,730
You can look at the map here.

930
01:21:30,850 --> 01:21:31,230
This is the.

931
01:21:31,390 --> 01:21:31,910
Yes, sorry.

932
01:21:40,540 --> 01:21:42,700
That's the lot, not the home, right?

933
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,020
That would be where the home could be.

934
01:21:46,340 --> 01:21:50,080
But the lot's the home's not 20,976.

935
01:21:51,340 --> 01:21:52,560
That's the lot size.

936
01:21:53,380 --> 01:21:54,440
So it can only occupy.

937
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:59,460
It could only be 30% of the 20 of 20,976, right?

938
01:21:59,460 --> 01:22:07,760
is not what you're saying. It could only be 35% of 20,976.

939
01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:10,120
The entire back square.

940
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:18,660
Yes. So running that 30% looks like it's about 7,300 square feet.

941
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:27,140
That could be made up of home as well as any detached structures.

942
01:22:27,140 --> 01:22:32,120
garages or other accessory buildings.

943
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:40,400
That's still pretty big for that size of

944
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:49,760
law. So to be totally clear, it's an incremental 5% on this entire lot. So the

945
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:58,710
incremental number change would be for this example from the regular. Yeah, regular

946
01:22:58,710 --> 01:23:04,250
40% yeah, so from 40 just what's that 5% difference I'm just curious I'm

947
01:23:36,660 --> 01:23:38,640
I'm wondering if that's still I mean that's still

948
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,720
That's still pretty big isn't it

949
01:23:42,380 --> 01:23:46,760
Or not that's not restricted at all. Yeah, like nobody's going to build

950
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,340
8,000 square foot

951
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:57,290
Yeah, they they will that's what I'm I'm almost so

952
01:24:07,620 --> 01:24:11,720
when we say like that 7,000 square feet is that total square feet or

953
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:13,900
of the whole of

954
01:24:13,900 --> 01:24:23,470
just the main floor yeah yeah that's a I don't think we've restricted it I mean

955
01:24:23,470 --> 01:24:32,550
I mean we maybe need to look at 25% or I don't know maybe not I just we're

956
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:34,530
still talking about this right but

957
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,620
remember it can only be two stories right but

958
01:24:43,620 --> 01:24:49,800
that could be a 14,000 foot home and there could be 30 feet high I mean it still

959
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:55,500
would it would still devour someone's backyard the whole purpose of what we're

960
01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:59,700
trying to do but it wouldn't

961
01:25:00,020 --> 01:25:12,920
I mean, it wouldn't devour it because you're lower in the height. No, only you'd have this wide abstain, but only five feet. That's 30 feet still high.

962
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:23,360
Anyone that would like to make a motion, I'm excited for. Go ahead, someone.

963
01:25:37,530 --> 01:25:41,990
All right, we have a motion by Ms. Vodry to approve it as written.

964
01:25:42,330 --> 01:25:42,970
Is there a second?

965
01:25:45,410 --> 01:25:45,850
Second.

966
01:25:46,510 --> 01:25:47,590
Second by Ms. Lowry.

967
01:25:48,430 --> 01:25:48,690
All right.

968
01:25:50,210 --> 01:25:52,930
Okay, so we have the ordinance 1456.

969
01:25:52,930 --> 01:25:56,050
The motion is to prove it as it's been presented with no changes.

970
01:25:57,070 --> 01:26:00,290
Second, motion of Ms. Lowry, second, Ms. Lowry, any further discussion?

971
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:04,060
All right.

972
01:26:04,140 --> 01:26:09,220
I think this does a good job of balancing the both interests of property owners,

973
01:26:09,220 --> 01:26:12,320
looking to further develop and existing property owners around.

974
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:17,960
And I think staff's done a great job and I'm proud to support it.

975
01:26:20,210 --> 01:26:21,930
All right. Any other discussion, comments?

976
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:26,540
All right. I'll call the vote, Ms. Lowry. How do you vote?

977
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:27,040
Yes.

978
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:27,160
Yes.

979
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:28,440
Mr. Lowry.

980
01:26:28,740 --> 01:26:28,900
Yes.

981
01:26:29,420 --> 01:26:30,000
Mr. Roberts.

982
01:26:30,500 --> 01:26:30,720
Yes.

983
01:26:31,260 --> 01:26:31,740
Mr. Green.

984
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:32,140
Yes.

985
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:33,600
And Mr. Lowry.

986
01:26:36,050 --> 01:26:36,530
No.

987
01:26:38,290 --> 01:26:39,030
All right.

988
01:26:40,330 --> 01:26:43,070
We got some diversity in voting this evening.

989
01:26:43,730 --> 01:26:46,370
That has passed four to one.

990
01:26:47,490 --> 01:26:48,590
Item number eight is next.

991
01:26:49,370 --> 01:26:49,930
Mr. Green.

992
01:26:50,830 --> 01:26:52,150
Mr. Mayor, I move to adjourn.

993
01:26:52,690 --> 01:26:54,850
Motion by Mr. Green to adjourn, is there a second?

994
01:26:56,290 --> 01:26:56,730
I'll second.

995
01:26:57,070 --> 01:26:58,190
All in favor say aye.

996
01:26:58,190 --> 01:27:04,650
all right all right all right all right we stand adjourned thank you we're

997
01:27:04,650 --> 01:27:12,990
still friends yeah we're not we're not the federal Congress yeah