1 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:15,000 It is 6:01 and we'll go ahead and welcome everyone to the 2 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,680 August regularly scheduled meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission of 3 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,959 Dripping Springs. We'll go ahead and call the meeting to order. 4 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,480 Diana, would you call roll and advise if we have a quorum, please? 5 00:02:22,791 --> 00:02:26,560 » [clears throat] >> Chair James. 6 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,560 » Here. 7 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,640 » Commissioner Crosson. >> Here. 8 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,200 » Commissioner Foster. >> Here. 9 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,920 » Commissioner Shamway. >> Here. 10 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,880 » Commissioner Crawford. >> Here. 11 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:42,120 » And Vice Chair Williamson and Commissioner Burgoyne reported absent. 12 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,680 » Okay, thank you for that. >> You do have a quorum. 13 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,560 » Thank you, Diana. Thank you for that. All right, we'll go ahead and we'll 14 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,440 start with the Pledge of Allegiance. Theodore, you want to lead? 15 00:02:52,520 --> 00:03:00,720 » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 16 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:05,640 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 17 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:08,519 justice for all. >> Thank you. 18 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,720 All right. All right, the first section of our 19 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,640 meeting always starts off with presentation of citizens. This is an 20 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:18,320 opportunity for anybody in the audience to address the commission on any topic 21 00:03:16,519 --> 00:03:21,480 that they would like to pursue. We do suggest that if you came to talk 22 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,760 about a topic that's posted on the agenda, you might want to hold your 23 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:28,080 comments until that item comes up. We'll recognize you at that time. But at this 24 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,400 time, if anybody wants to address the commission, we'll welcome your comments. 25 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,800 Anybody in the audience like to address us at this time? 26 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,080 Seeing and hearing none, we'll close the presentation of citizens. 27 00:03:36,519 --> 00:03:41,840 The next segment of our agenda is our consent agenda. We have one item on the 28 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,959 consent agenda and that has to do with the minutes 29 00:03:42,702 --> 00:03:46,600 » [clears throat] >> of our July regularly scheduled meeting. 30 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,519 Minutes have been circulated to the commission. I think everybody's had a 31 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:53,880 chance to take a look at them. I'm seeking a motion with regard to our 32 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:57,240 minutes of the last monthly meeting. >> Motion to approve. 33 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,680 » Got a motion to approve from Eugene. I have a second. Got a second from Doug 34 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,680 Shumway. Any comments, changes, revisions? 35 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,920 Everybody good? Okay, all in favor of the minutes, 36 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,920 indicate by saying I. >> I. 37 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,560 » Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Okay. 38 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:15,400 Uh now we're moving on to the business agenda. The first item on our business 39 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:20,040 agenda, this has to do with a recommendation [clears throat] 40 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:23,120 or a consideration of a variance request to allow a reduction in the onsite 41 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:27,480 parking requirements for the Headwaters Commercial East project. Uh is there a 42 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:31,080 presentation by the applicant? >> Yes, sir. 43 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,080 » Okay. 44 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,640 Do you have the clicker up there? >> What's that? 45 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,080 » Clicker? Give me the click click ahead. 46 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,960 » Yeah, if you click ahead, that'll get you. 47 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:50,680 Here we go. Uh my name is Daniel Campbell. I'm with the development group 48 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:53,280 that's developing Headwaters East. Um presenting the parking variance. Thank 49 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:57,560 you very very much, commissioners, for your time today. 50 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:02,160 So, this is just a site plan for the project. Just kind of orient everybody. 51 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:07,853 Uh Highway 290 is on the on the south edge of the project. Canyon Wood is is 52 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:11,640 to your uh east. [laughter] >> [clears throat] 53 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:17,480 » And then uh our new driveway um will be on the west. Um we're pre- predominantly 54 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:23,160 um a mix of retail, uh service users, medical, uh 55 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:25,880 restaurants, and entertainment is what we're planning. 56 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:34,840 So, the request comes from uh section 5.6.2, 57 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,720 the commercial parking code for Bee Cave [cough] Springs. 58 00:05:36,673 --> 00:05:40,560 » [clears throat] >> Um as y'all all know, there's various uh 59 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:45,040 parking requirements based on the use. There's about 58 different ones. 60 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:49,880 The one the only one we're asking for a variance from is the one related to 61 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:55,320 retail or personal services, which is one per 200 square feet. We're 62 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:59,920 asking that that uh be changed to one per 250 square feet. The key thing there 63 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:04,880 that we'd like to kind of mention is there's no change to any other category, 64 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:09,424 including heavy parker using heavy parkers like restaurants, theaters, 65 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,444 gyms, those types of things. >> [snorts] 66 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:19,280 » Um and really the the need for uh this variance request really is related to 67 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:26,320 kind of the anchor position of our project, which is um mainly true retail. 68 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:31,000 So, this is people who sell clothes and and shoes and things of that sort, not, 69 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:35,560 you know, service users like an insurance company or 70 00:06:32,919 --> 00:06:39,520 H&R Block or a dentist or something like that. It's that true kind of retail, you 71 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:44,440 go in and buy something to put on put on your body or accessorize with. 72 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:50,160 Um and overall on the project, if you look at the project from overall basis, 73 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:56,040 code parking is about 1,614 stalls. What we're showing now is about 1,580. 74 00:06:53,120 --> 00:07:01,240 So, it's a difference of about 34 stalls or 2% from uh 75 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,240 code. 76 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:09,960 And just to compare it to other Central Texas cities, uh Round Rock is one per 77 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:13,560 225 again for um 78 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:19,160 our retail category. Cedar Park, Bee Cave, San Marcos are all one per 250, 79 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:23,000 um which is just slightly different than the the Dripping Springs. 80 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:31,600 So, we also pulled some comparable projects that we're familiar with. Some 81 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:35,200 of these we developed, um some of which are being developed in the neighborhood, 82 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:39,440 and so we thought we we'd include those. Balterra Village, which uh 83 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:43,360 which was developed um a little while ago, maybe 10 years ago, 84 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:47,960 the anchor lot ratio, which show you in just a second, is 3.87 per thousand, 85 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,040 which compared to what we're asking, we're asking for four per thousand for 86 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:55,400 our anchor lot ratio. The overall ratio there is 87 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:59,480 about 5.5. 1890 Ranch in Cedar Park is a large 88 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:04,440 Target anchored shopping center that's overall parked at 4.5. 89 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:08,960 Uh The Park is another Whole Foods anchored shopping center in Cedar Park 90 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:12,040 that's at 4.7 per thousand. And then The Village, which is the new 91 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:16,640 Target anchored center that's coming in down the street here in Dripping 92 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:22,720 Springs, the anchor lot is at 3.08 per thousand. And the overall ratio is 3.4. 93 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:27,280 Our our overall ratio will be about 5.3 or 5.4 94 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:32,000 to put it in comparison. So again, this is Belterra at the 5.5 95 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:37,080 including kind of everything you see there. 96 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:41,360 The anchor lot, which includes Evo down to Gold's, and also includes two 97 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:45,560 restaurants in the middle is parked at 3.8 per 98 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,760 3.8 per thousand. And again, we're asking for four for a for a similar 99 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:53,040 lineup that doesn't have the heavy parkers like gyms, theaters, and 100 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,040 restaurants. 101 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:58,880 Uh this is 1890 Ranch. Again, very very kind of 102 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:04,800 a much bigger project, but but similar idea that that kind of Academy, Ross, 103 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:08,760 Hobby Lobby, Ashley, Mardel section uh is parked closer to that 4 per thousand. 104 00:09:08,839 --> 00:09:16,200 And and 1890 Ranch was developed uh in 2006, so about 20 years ago. 105 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:19,720 Park was developed um about 10 years ago, and it's got 106 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:24,120 um again, a a slightly smaller ratio than we're 107 00:09:21,839 --> 00:09:26,600 asking for here about about 0.5 per thousand. 108 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,880 Uh and this is the the most recent site plan I could find on the developer's 109 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:36,640 website. It's not us for uh the Target anchored anchored center that's coming 110 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:39,600 in down the street uh that's parked three per thousand. 111 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,960 So, getting considerations for the variance to meet the criteria of a 112 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:48,480 variance, uh, special circumstances. This is really the first project that 113 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:52,960 I'm aware of in Dripping Springs that has a strong true retail component, 114 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:56,600 meaning again apparel, shoes, the those types of things. And so, those are 115 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:01,800 obviously require different parking ratio than someone like entertainment or 116 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:05,120 gym or restaurants or other use service uses that we see throughout the city 117 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:09,040 currently. And and our our idea is that from a 118 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:12,920 public health stand standpoint, more buildings, more activity will provide a 119 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:17,320 better shopping experience. And it is a minimal departure. It's only 120 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:22,480 2% different. Um, and I think it it really does share the intent of the code 121 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:26,800 in in section 5.77 that allows for a shared parking. And so, the the code as 122 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:30,600 it's written kind of looks at each use individually, but doesn't stack them all 123 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:36,000 together to kind of see what the overall effect is of having a larger project. 124 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:39,920 Uh, although the intent in the code 5.77 related to shared parking, we think 125 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:44,760 feels like it addresses that somewhat. And that's actually how Belterra was 126 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:48,680 approved for similar, uh, parking ratio, um, 127 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,680 uh, 10 years ago or so. 128 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,600 Uh, and that's my presentation. Appreciate you again your time very 129 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,640 much. I'll be here and available for questions. Thank you. 130 00:10:54,640 --> 00:11:00,640 » Sure. We'll have some questions, but thank you for that. Perfect. 131 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:02,480 All right. Okay. Uh, staff report. Tory, are you going to handle that? 132 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,400 » Yes, sir. I'm going to go back to my notes. 133 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,400 » Okay. 134 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:15,680 » All right. So, I'm I'm going to try not to reiterate too much of what the 135 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:21,960 applicant stated, but just to give a a quick recap of the site. Uh, it's uh, 136 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:25,880 approximately 43 acres. Uh, you know, being the headwaters east 137 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:30,880 commercial tract, it's it is located within the city limits. And this 138 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:36,320 variance request is to reduce, uh, reduce onsite parking, uh, for for 139 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:40,480 retail on on the site. So, just as a reminder, this, uh, 140 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:45,400 property is subject to the, uh, PDD number six, which is the Headwaters PDD. 141 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:49,440 It is also part of the, uh, the Headwaters development agreement that 142 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:55,200 preceded that planned development district. Um, and as well as the city's 143 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:59,800 parking ordinance in this case. And just to, uh, to recap the city's 144 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:05,040 parking requirements, so, uh, for retail specifically, we are 145 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:08,080 looking at that one space per 200 ft, um, 146 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:11,040 which is, uh, equivalent, I know we're we're talking kind of different, 147 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:15,400 uh, different equivalencies here, but, uh, 148 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:18,520 which is equivalent to five per five per thousand on the site. 149 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:25,360 So, this, um, this exhibit kind of shows the breakouts 150 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:30,040 of the different, uh, the different uses within the site. So, the majority of 151 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:34,520 kind of the the larger lots that you're seeing is is the the retail, that's 152 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:39,360 where most of the, um, what I'll call the the the big box stores are, as well 153 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:43,280 as what's, uh, indicated as a grocery and some smaller retail as well. 154 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,880 Um, and just some some general pad sites, too. 155 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:48,839 Um, and I do want to point out that the 156 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:55,040 applicant is not requesting a reduction in, uh, parking for, uh, for the 157 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:58,360 restaurants, um, but just just, uh, primarily the the retail portion of 158 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:02,160 this. And this information is provided in the 159 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:06,640 packet, but it does, uh, you we can refer to it if necessary, but 160 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:11,320 it does show the overall, um, I guess the overall deficit of parking 161 00:13:08,839 --> 00:13:16,360 on the site, and you see that, uh, kind of minus 33, which is the the 2% lower 162 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:19,480 than than the required. And one thing that I do want to reiterate that the 163 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:23,839 applicant stated is that they are providing on-street, uh, parallel park 164 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,960 Is it parallel or angle parking? Parallel parking along the the 165 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:30,000 right-of-way, uh, for the roads going through the 166 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:36,080 site, which does provide additional parking, but does not count toward uh 167 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:40,080 on-site parking. So, that um that can help offset and that that's um 168 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:42,080 sort of the part of the justification that staff is 169 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,560 » spaces would that be, more or less? >> 90 170 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,040 93, thank you. >> Sorry? 171 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,240 » 93. >> Okay. 172 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:56,160 » And the the key points identified by the applicant 173 00:13:53,560 --> 00:14:02,160 um include the economic and uh employment impact. So, um 174 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:06,680 that this parking variance is is necessary, essentially, uh 175 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:10,440 to to provide additional economic activity and sales value on the 176 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:14,560 property. Um and uh you know, as as the applicant 177 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:18,440 indicated, too, kind of comparing it to the to the Belterra uh 178 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:22,800 the Belterra development. Um and also uh noted in the applicant 179 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:27,640 submittals that the applicant will provide an additional 93 parallel 180 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:30,640 parking spaces along Dripstone Trail. So, that's that east-west road going 181 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,760 through the property um that will ultimately connect 182 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,880 Headwaters Boulevard to Canyon Wood Drive. 183 00:14:35,089 --> 00:14:38,880 » [snorts] >> Um 184 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:42,040 and also noting that uh the parking ratios for for similar commercial 185 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:48,320 developments. So, like I mentioned, the the Belterra development. 186 00:14:44,839 --> 00:14:52,480 And I do have the the criteria uh on the slides if we need to reference them. I I 187 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:56,600 won't get into them in detail, um but if if you have questions on them, 188 00:14:54,400 --> 00:15:00,839 I'm happy to uh to refer back to them. But, ultimately, staff uh 189 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:05,080 you know, particularly with the additional on-street parking provided, 190 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:08,880 staff does recommend approval of the variance request with the following 191 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:12,520 condition that the applicant shall submit an updated site plan providing 192 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:16,120 adequate pedestrian connections between adjacent properties within the 193 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:20,040 development, uh which would be approved by the development review committee. And 194 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:24,720 the idea with that condition is that, you know, if if there's uh if there's a 195 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:31,320 lot that you know, doesn't have I'll say in the 100-year parking event a 196 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:34,760 Black Friday on a full moon. Um, you know, that there's overflow needed and 197 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:38,240 on an adjacent site, it's it's easy enough for someone to park there and and 198 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:42,600 walk across the street. And I do also want to mention that this is something 199 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:45,240 that we are requiring along with um uh 200 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:49,960 the cut and fill the cut and fill variance that was requested and approved 201 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:52,680 by the development review committee. Um, because there are going to be some some 202 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:57,760 cuts and some walls, so providing some pedestrian connections there. So, this 203 00:15:54,720 --> 00:16:00,600 condition is congruent with that that condition of the cut and fill variance. 204 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,440 » Have you discussed that condition with the applicant? 205 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:06,280 » Um, and I'll I'll Okay, great. 206 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:10,440 » And you're agreeable to that? Good. 207 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:13,640 » Um, and in terms of next steps, so this is scheduled for the October 6th Board 208 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,720 of Adjustments meeting. So, tonight we're looking for a recommendation from 209 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:20,960 the Planning and Zoning Commission. And then following that are going to be the 210 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:24,720 the administrative site plan review process 211 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:28,160 to to finalize the details of the the site itself. 212 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:32,920 And that concludes my presentation. >> Okay, Tory, thank you for that. Thank 213 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:35,520 you. Appreciate that. Okay, all right. We'll [clears throat] now go ahead and 214 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,280 open up a public hearing for this matter. Is there anyone in the 215 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,160 audience that would like to address this topic at this time? 216 00:16:41,839 --> 00:16:46,920 Going once. Okay, seeing and hearing none, we'll 217 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:50,560 close the public hearing and we can move forward to consider the 218 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,839 variance request. Commission's probably pleasure. 219 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,680 » Motion to discuss? >> Motion to discuss. Yeah, go ahead. I'll 220 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:02,760 second that. >> The one thing that I mean I I I like 221 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:06,600 your overall plan. Um, the one thing that sort of caught my eye 222 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:10,800 was with regard to the public health aspect of it. You know, I don't disagree 223 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:13,520 with the benefits of the sidewalks and all that, you know, that's certainly a 224 00:17:12,199 --> 00:17:18,040 good thing. But it just seemed to me that if you're 225 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:22,240 going to increase the building footprint sizes 226 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:27,240 and that will encroach into the vehicular space if you can call it that. 227 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:33,000 My concern is have you allowed enough for fire equipment access? Is that going 228 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:38,440 to I mean I haven't to me that's much more of a public health issue than 229 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,840 than what's expressed in the in the packet. 230 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:44,000 » Certainly and and the the fire department will have to 231 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:49,080 approve our plans. We also do what's called WB-67 232 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:52,720 truck studies to make sure that large semi's and what 233 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:57,640 not including fire trucks can get through all this. 234 00:17:54,920 --> 00:18:00,640 And so that's how we do everything from the the the size of our 235 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:05,080 of our streets [clears throat] to the the radius on the turns. All of 236 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:10,200 that is to make sure that we can get fire equipment and 237 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,760 and you know larger vehicles through. >> Well, that's been factored in to what 238 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,520 you're showing us tonight. >> Mhm. 239 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,880 » Okay. >> Yep. 240 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:20,240 » And I do want to point out from staff's perspective fire protection is a 241 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:24,320 non-starter. That you know they would have to meet those those firm fire codes 242 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,840 regardless. >> And then you're going to comply with 243 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,080 that? >> Yes, sir. 244 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,760 » All right. >> Uh 245 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:36,480 Tori, I have a question. Can you um I think it was point 246 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:40,000 one of the staff report you had mentioned that this 247 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:44,080 development may qualify as land constrained. Can you help me understand? 248 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:49,040 » Let me let me pull up that staff report. And full disclosure this was a report um 249 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:53,200 written by our senior planner Sarah Varvarigos and she was not able to 250 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:57,000 attend today. So let me let me pull up that that section. 251 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:18,840 So the the land constraint is related to the open space that's required as part 252 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:23,560 of the PDD. So there's a 60 66 percent of area being preserved as as open space 253 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:27,520 as part of that which I'll say essentially kind of shrinks 254 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:32,000 down the developable area of of the development. 255 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:35,200 » Okay, so that that's just within PDD 6. >> That's within PDD 6 actually. 256 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,880 » That's for the entirety of Headwaters, right? 257 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:43,840 Like the the >> Well, there I'll say that there's two 258 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:48,040 kind of open space requirements and they I know that Headwaters the Headwaters 259 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:52,200 development agreement has a certain percentage of of open space 260 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:58,000 required. I'm not sure if both are are 66 percent, 261 00:19:54,400 --> 00:20:01,880 but the the PDD itself is is restricted and required to designate open space as 262 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:05,840 well. >> Yeah, I was asking that question I guess 263 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,960 in the context of in terms of maybe the literal interpretation of land 264 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,680 constrained. I mean it would also be an option to 265 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,800 have smaller square footage 266 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,880 anchor junior anchor and like retail spaces so that they could be in 267 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,120 compliance with the number. That's that's kind of where 268 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,240 my thinking was. >> Yeah, 269 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:27,280 I I think that's a good point. Uh Theodore 270 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:30,840 but go ahead if you have other question. >> No, that was it. It's just me musing. 271 00:20:29,449 --> 00:20:34,000 » [clears throat] >> Doug Doug and Doug 272 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:39,320 Anything? >> Yeah, just a few things. So 273 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:41,800 the the open space requirement is is part of the 274 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,520 uh just the commercial 275 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:48,040 » It's part of the planned development district as well as the development 276 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,280 agreement. I can pull those numbers while we're while we're talking about it 277 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,480 if that's helpful. >> It's in PDD 6, right? 278 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:57,080 » It's It's It's certainly in PDD 6 and there's there's 279 00:20:55,360 --> 00:21:02,040 an open space aspect within the development agreement as well which the 280 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:05,400 development agreement area primarily is the single family 281 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:09,880 you know what what has been developed in the open space associated with that. 282 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:13,440 Um but the the PDD which covers this commercial area as well as the 283 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,000 commercial area on the other side of Headwaters Boulevard has an open space 284 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:21,760 requirement as well. >> was help me here Tori cuz I've I've 285 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,320 slept a few times since the PDD was done when? 286 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,840 » 2016. >> 16? Okay. 287 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:30,440 Uh what I remember was 1,100 homes more or less 288 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,840 and uh I forget several hundred acres of open 289 00:21:32,984 --> 00:21:36,960 [clears throat] space that was going to be preserved in perpetuity. Is that Is 290 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:41,499 that about right? >> I can pull that number up 291 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:44,360 » what I recall. That's what I recall. Um >> [clears throat] 292 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,560 » uh But I have a couple of questions to hear 293 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,040 while you're while you're looking through that. Um 294 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:53,920 in in the staff report you point out that that this does [clears throat] not 295 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,200 alter the impervious cover calculation. Is that correct? 296 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,400 » That's correct. >> Okay. Um 297 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:02,000 and I think Theodore made a good point here. I mean there's another way to skin 298 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:05,560 this cat and the other way not something you necessarily want to do but you could 299 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:09,440 reduce the size of the buildings and so forth to fit within the existing 300 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:13,840 guidelines or rules that are in in the PDD 6. So that's that's an option. 301 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:17,360 Typically when we get into a variance discussion 302 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:21,240 we always start off with the criteria and then we ask what's the hardship what 303 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:27,520 are the circumstances that have changed? What's unusual? What's really driving 304 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:31,280 this request? And and frankly uh you know, I can understand why you want 305 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,520 a little more space for the anchors and so forth and so on and now you're 306 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,880 getting a better feel for how you want to lay this thing out but I don't see 307 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:43,200 the hardship uh and so I guess my question is is 308 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:47,320 is there some unique set of circumstances that we're not aware of 309 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:51,120 that creates a hardship or certain special circumstances that makes it just 310 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,760 impossible for you to move forward with your development? 311 00:22:52,320 --> 00:23:01,120 » Uh make it impossible? No. To make it um less desirable? Yes. And and I think 312 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:06,440 what what is is interesting is most cities have gone I've decreased their 313 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:09,320 amount of required parking because obviously they they want to see you 314 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,880 know, again the impervious cover is going to stay the same. So the amount of 315 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:17,520 of kind of developed area will stay the same. And so that's a trade-off between 316 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:21,200 you know, buildings that engage people and parking lots that just tend to be 317 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,840 unused. And so that's why you're you kind of see 318 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,120 the comparable cities really reducing their parking 319 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,640 ratios. And the thing I would say that's unique 320 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:34,840 to this site that hasn't been really tested in the city of Dripping Springs 321 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:42,360 is is again a project that has a large amount of soft goods. So So if we had um 322 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:46,320 uh I mean frank frankly it it would be easier to to kind of reconfigure and to 323 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,800 have, you know, restaurants or something else in there cuz we would have more 324 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,480 parking. But the thing is what we want to be able 325 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:56,840 to do is provide kind of this congruence of of the soft good retailers and that 326 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,720 aren't there I mean there is nowhere else in the city where you can go buy 327 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,800 really a shirt besides uh what we're going to put on the 328 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:07,520 ground. And so in my mind that parking category has never really been tested in 329 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:12,240 the city in this scale. And I think the variance we're talking 330 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:16,920 about I mean it's 2% it's 30 spaces on 1,580 spaces. No Nobody in the world 331 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,960 would ever notice 30 spaces are gone. We're trying to be, you know, 332 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,080 um >> Careful with that comment. 333 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,360 » Well yeah yeah yeah yeah. >> No you know that's that's a that's a 334 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,040 double-edged sword. If nobody's going to notice it you shouldn't notice it 335 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,760 either, right? >> Sure no and and that's why we would hope 336 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:32,120 not to not to have to build it. >> if it's insignificant to the public 337 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,920 probably not too significant to you either. So be careful with that comment. 338 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:39,480 » Yeah so so what we what we think is that it's better to have buildings than it is 339 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:44,400 just more parking um in our opinion and I think the again 340 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:48,720 this this category has never been tested before in the city and so it it is a 341 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:52,440 unique you know, retail is a very broad category. I mean people will call it 342 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:56,440 dentist retail, but that is a very different use case than someone like uh 343 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,880 uh you know, a a Dillard's, you know, where 344 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,200 someone's going in to pick up a shirt and they're in there for 30 minutes and 345 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:06,880 they're out. Whereas a dentist, you may be in there for an hour and a half. 346 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,880 And and so there are different use cases and that's why in a lot of these 347 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:14,960 projects, you're not seeing the parking ratios that are required 348 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:18,880 in Dripping. And I mean, we you know, we we got frankly very similar variance at 349 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:23,400 Belterra. Belterra will have a lower parking ratio than than what our anchor 350 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:28,160 portion will have. And to my knowledge, that that's worked out fine even with 351 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:31,240 Star Wars coming out and Odyssey and you know, all of those things. And so to me, 352 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:35,120 it is kind of one of those things where it says, you know, what would we rather 353 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:39,960 have? Would we rather have places where our community could shop and and enjoy 354 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:43,880 the air conditioning when it's 106? Or do we want to have more more parking 355 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:47,800 lots? >> Tory, uh, 356 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:51,800 I'm not overly moved by the comparisons to other communities, frankly. 357 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:56,520 But I do want to ask you, when was our parking ordinance created? 358 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,440 » From looking at the ordinance, I think it was created when our zoning ordinance 359 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:04,158 was adopted, which I believe was in 2005. 360 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:08,520 » What I'm getting at is is >> [clears throat] 361 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:14,480 » and this is just an observation. During the COVID years, obviously, 362 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,920 uh, shopping was reduced significantly and that sort of thing. 363 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:22,040 Uh, and I read articles all the time that 364 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:26,320 that malls are struggling in the in the future with customers on site. So much 365 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:30,000 stuff now is being done, you know, over the internet and what have you. 366 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,560 Uh, I guess what I'm what I'm driving at is is 367 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:37,800 is given what has occurred post COVID, 368 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,840 in your opinion, Tory, would that alter our view of our current parking 369 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,800 ordinance? >> I I wouldn't necessarily attribute it to 370 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:49,440 COVID, but just trends in general that that started I'll say started before 371 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:53,200 COVID. You're seeing a lot more online ordering 372 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:59,240 uh, for for something like a a target, there there could be a 373 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:03,680 pull up curbside delivery where you're you're taking a space for, you know, 5 374 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:09,320 minutes as opposed to 30. Um, so, you know, I I can't speak to the 375 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,320 general economic the general economic trends, but 376 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,720 um, you know, to the applicant's the 377 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,320 applicant's point that he made earlier, we are starting to see see cities 378 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:22,880 I'm certainly not suggesting we eliminate parking parking requirements, 379 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:26,960 but we are starting to see cities look at them in a little bit closer light and 380 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:32,160 and potentially reducing them. And one thing I want to note with with this 381 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:36,800 project is since it's a handful of multiple different properties, 382 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,440 they're having to request the parking variance because we're looking at the 383 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:44,960 are they meeting parking on this property? Are they meeting Right. And if 384 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:49,000 you look at it holistically with that on-street parking that would only serve 385 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:53,440 the people uh, the the patrons of those businesses, 386 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,800 uh, when you look at it, they actually have a surplus of of parking when you 387 00:27:55,360 --> 00:28:00,040 look at it holistically. And I I think I think that's uh, you 388 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:04,560 know, that that was a key distinction when we were looking at this 389 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:08,560 um, and and a really a key key justification for approval. 390 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:12,800 » And this I have a question for the for you, sir. Uh, 391 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:17,240 when I looked at the table about the junior anchors, the anchor, the 392 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:22,600 different pads, the groceries, the retail, et cetera. 393 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:25,360 I'm assuming you used that to calculate as Tory was mentioning the specific 394 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:29,320 parking requirements for each one of those pieces. My question of you is, and 395 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,520 I don't need to know a whole lot about who's coming in here, but 396 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:39,960 are those calculations based on firm commitments for tenants? 397 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:43,600 » So, in some instances, very much so. In some instances, we're making 398 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:48,560 projections. And a lot of that's also based on parking. If if we we have to 399 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:52,320 set out if we're going to go do two multi-tenant buildings out front and we 400 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:56,560 want to have a certain percentage of restaurants, we have to have the parking 401 00:28:54,120 --> 00:29:00,680 for that. And so otherwise we're capped in those buildings. And so what we we do 402 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,400 when we lay these out is say what are the what's the maximum use we think 403 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:09,640 we're going to need for the from these heavy parkers because that that that is 404 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,120 what our constraint becomes. And so when we go and lay out these buildings, we 405 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,320 want to make sure we've got enough parking and that and all that. And so 406 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,840 we're we're maxing that out and say, "Okay, we think the most we could 407 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:23,960 restaurants we could do in pad D is 6,000 ft. So let's plan for 6,000 ft." 408 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:28,560 So so I to answer your question directly, we 409 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:33,720 have firm commitments for 50 to 70% of the space. The others are really making 410 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:36,480 an assumption on what is the max amount of restaurants, entertainment, whatever 411 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,800 we can do. >> What's the probability as you firm up 412 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:44,200 the remaining 30% or whatever it is that you come back to us and say, "Well, 413 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:48,560 we have a different calculation. We need to adjust the parking spaces." 414 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,000 » Zero. We we won't need it. Because again, the the ones the ones that we 415 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,400 have >> I mean you 416 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,920 you're going to make it work is what I'm hearing you say. 417 00:29:54,200 --> 00:30:00,600 » That's right. The ones that we have firm commitments from the the retailers that 418 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,880 are needing the parking variance. That's right. 419 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,240 » Go ahead, ma'am. You have >> [clears throat] 420 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,440 » Yeah, so have you 421 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:17,720 have you calculated what square footage decrease would be necessary of the 422 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:21,200 retail spaces to be within compliance? Um 423 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:27,680 » It it's a hard calculation to do because it it it involves a lot of geometry 424 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:32,600 but it would be roughly about 25,000 ft, but it's a wild guess because it didn't 425 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:36,200 include, you know, weird angles and drive aisles and parking. I mean the 426 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:41,240 landscaping requirements and all of that stuff. So it's a 427 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,240 it's not an exact science. 428 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:47,440 » So >> To- Tory, so will will we will they have 429 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:53,960 to check the box for parking on each of the 430 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:58,640 colored sites up there? Or are we if we do this, they're 431 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:03,720 they can move along and if those lines need to move between the 432 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:09,120 the pink and the yellow because of the use of that pad D, 433 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:14,280 they can do that or do or we going to is the city going to see each one of 434 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:17,480 those as they're built and have to approve them? 435 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:21,760 » Only if they're requesting a variance outside of what's granted tonight, which 436 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:26,040 from from talking to the applicant and their team, 437 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:29,160 they they don't they have no intention of doing because they're designing their 438 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,840 site to meet those parking requirements. >> Okay. And does does our parking 439 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:39,920 ordinance it sounds my I think I know this answer if it was '05, but is there 440 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:43,360 any shared parking credits that they get against these 441 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:48,240 numbers? >> There is an option for it's it's a 442 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:51,920 parking variance. So, there's a variance a parking variance process. 443 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:56,480 It goes to the Planning and Zoning Commission and the Board of Adjustments 444 00:31:54,200 --> 00:32:00,800 uh where they can share share spaces between different sites. But since we're 445 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:04,880 talking in this case about kind of a third variable, not just the site and an 446 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:09,960 adjacent site, we're talking about on-street parking as well that by code 447 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:15,880 doesn't meet the parking requirement, um that necessitates sort of this 448 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:20,280 broader parking variance request. >> And the just to reinforce, I I looked at 449 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,720 that section cuz we we did that at Volterra. 450 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:29,160 Um but the the way the code is written it is basically at a discretion. And and 451 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:32,480 so it it's at a discretion whether the city approves a shared parking 452 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,400 calculation or not. >> But just to pick up on Doug's comment, 453 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,520 uh thinking about the parking requirement for each of the individual 454 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,400 units. Uh 455 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:47,160 you still we still are going to put a cap on the overall calculation, correct? 456 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,920 » That's correct. >> I mean, that's what we're doing tonight. 457 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,240 » Right. >> Is the cap on every parking space on 458 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,080 that plan? Um 459 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,240 so a couple of questions. I I'm also on 460 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:04,280 transportation committee, so I'm kind of curious. Is the East-West street like a 461 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,120 public street and all these connectors to 290? 462 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,520 » Yes, sir. They're just dedicated public >> Mhm. streets. 463 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,480 » Mhm. >> Um 464 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,560 and um 465 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:19,440 I know on one of these graphics there was a traffic light. I I'm just thinking 466 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,840 how people are actually going to get in and out of this site. Are they going to 467 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,880 go down to Canyon Land or whatever this Canyon Wood 468 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,800 » Canyon Wood. Yeah, so there's an existing signal at 469 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:34,920 Canyon Wood. And then moving west, we have a right-in, right-out that'll have 470 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:38,120 a deceleration lane. Yeah. And then the next drive down will be another lighted 471 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,720 intersection, fully lighted intersection. And so 472 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,280 » Signalized intersection. >> Signalized intersection. 473 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,320 » got you. Okay. >> That's right. 474 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:48,760 » And that's been approved through our uh through the transportation committee. 475 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:53,320 » So Text Dot's approved that knows all that. Okay, cool. Um 476 00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:01,880 And And does that become a uh underpass or an overpass in the 477 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:06,560 future 290? >> Uh we don't know. We have talked to So 478 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:11,760 as you can see kind of where the the hashed or or dotted line is versus where 479 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:16,120 the colors start, and we we did that significant setback for a future Text 480 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,159 Dot right-of-way taking. So we've taken we've taken any expansion 481 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:22,399 needs they have. >> Still know if that'll be 482 00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:24,800 um a crossing there, right? 483 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,000 » That's right. I mean, I I think the latest they've talked about is doing 484 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,639 something like what they've done down the street where they go they dig under, 485 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,639 and so they have those at grade, but I you know, that's TexDOT 486 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,720 10 years from now kind of thing. >> yep, yep, yep, yep. Two more questions 487 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:42,240 on my part. Um Um 488 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:45,679 Tory, have notices been sent out? How do we post notification of this? 489 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:48,639 » Yes, sir. So we sent we sent notice to every property owner within verified 490 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:54,679 » to be >> two or 300 ft Um as well as uh 491 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,680 posting in the newspaper and signage as well. 492 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:03,040 » I find it I find it unusual that the Headwaters residents are not out. 493 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:07,840 » Well, and and if I can [laughter] if I can speak to that. So I saw in here, I 494 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:11,560 don't know exactly where it was, um but somewhere in the agenda packet it 495 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,240 said that there were no notices sent out. Were there any notices that were 496 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,240 sent out or >> Let me 497 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,880 » Because those folks on >> That's Iron Willow that's above the 498 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:27,400 retail area. I would have thought they would have been within 300 ft. 499 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,080 » All property owners within 300 ft radius were were notified of the variance 500 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,400 request. >> Okay, okay, good. Um 501 00:35:31,394 --> 00:35:35,400 » [clears throat] >> and and frankly, parking is not the kind 502 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:38,840 of thing that gets residents too excited. 503 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,880 Uh it's I think as you as you go through the site development, I think you're 504 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:46,040 going to find a lot of interest in looking at this. If I'm looking at 505 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,320 this right, that's 290. So in the northern section as it abuts the 506 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,320 residential lots, there could be some excitement generated over that. So 507 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:56,360 that's that's something that will come with site development. Uh but I won't 508 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,800 worry about that right now. Um 509 00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:02,480 The the parking on the street, has that all been cleared? Are we all okay with 510 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,840 that? I mean >> That that was part of the cross-sections 511 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:10,160 approved in the planned development district uh when the PDD was adopted. So 512 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,200 » that bridge has been crossed. >> Right. 513 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,120 » Okay. >> All right. 514 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:16,360 » Okay. >> All right. 515 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:22,560 » Okay. Um >> possible question here. What 516 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:26,440 What feasibility is there for putting some of these 517 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:30,400 extra parking spaces underneath? You know, 518 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:35,240 raise a portion of one or two of these buildings and create under building 519 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:38,760 parking in that kind of a scenario to >> Sure, we we've looked at that from from 520 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:42,880 time to time. It it is cost-prohibitive and tenants don't really like it cuz it 521 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,600 can make creates a convenience factor for customers. 522 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:50,320 Um but you know, some point in the future 523 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:54,000 uh may maybe I I think that's um 524 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:57,160 is certainly I I think also frankly with where we're going with cars, 525 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:01,400 um there could be a much more of a shared parking 526 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:06,120 or or shared car usage. Just I mean, my Tesla drove me here and I 527 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:10,360 didn't drive. Uh and the cyber cabs and all that are coming 528 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,600 really really soon and um and so I I think there could be a a 529 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:17,840 frankly a bigger discussion of there's probably going to be significant 530 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,480 individual people in 5 years. Significantly. But that's again, that's 531 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,800 just my my personal uh hypothesis anyway. 532 00:37:26,020 --> 00:37:31,680 » [laughter] >> Make sure you have these striped for 533 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,600 trucks. Out here, I mean, your point is well taken. 534 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,480 » very much regular size parking spaces. >> Yeah. They are very much regular size 535 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:38,720 parking spaces. People love their vehicles and their trucks, right? 536 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:44,880 » Yeah. >> I I have a question for Tory. Um 537 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:50,360 What is the intent of the 538 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:54,920 parking requirements? What is the intent of that rule? The five per it it's five 539 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:58,600 parking spots per thousand. >> It's five per 540 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,120 code, it's two Or is it one one 541 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,800 » One per 200. >> One per 200. 542 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,520 » Okay, got you. >> It was translated to five. 543 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,680 » Got you. >> Um 544 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:12,360 in general, the the intent is to provide adequate parking um to make sure that 545 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:15,880 there's not overflow parking. Um in terms of where that actual calculation 546 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:20,520 was justified and came from, I can't I can't really speak to that. Um you know, 547 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,520 from looking at our code and different aspects of it, it looks like it was 548 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:27,880 probably borrowed from other codes in the area and 549 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:31,760 I can't think of a time since that zoning ordinance was updated that we 550 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:35,240 have since updated the parking ordinance at least the numbers. We've done some 551 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:42,400 things like the Mercer Street District and had some allowances there, but um 552 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:47,880 » I'd like to interject. Um at least from the developer's standpoint, 20 years ago 553 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:51,760 Target as an example required five per thousand and they did so to plan for 554 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,320 Black Friday. That that that's really it. 555 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,840 And and so um 556 00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:01,840 in my opinion with these I mean so Target when we did 8290 Ranch 557 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:05,240 in 2006 required five per thousand for their for a parking lot. They went down 558 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,600 the street here and did three per thousand. 559 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,480 So that they cut it almost in half like by 40%. 560 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:15,360 And and a lot of it is because they never needed five per thousand. They did 561 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:18,520 a five per thousand for one day a year and now I mean when's the last time 562 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:22,480 somebody got up at midnight on Thanksgiving night to go 563 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:27,440 to go Black Friday shopping. And and so that that's a vestige in my opinion from 564 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:32,160 20 years ago for and back then 20 years ago is one day a year. And so now that's 565 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:35,760 why again all the big retailers are just requiring less parking because they are 566 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,440 using the internet a lot and what they've really figured out and what 567 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:42,400 you've seen is you know, a lot of these retailers 568 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:45,640 haven't expanded anywhere in Austin in 15 years. 569 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,600 And really a lot of that was figuring out how the internet was going to affect 570 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:52,360 their business. And now what they realize is that yes, 571 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,640 they need stores close to customers because convenience is key, but there's 572 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,600 a lot of people who are still going to go buy a pair of shoes online and then 573 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:02,560 go pick it up on the way to pick up their kid from school. 574 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,600 Or or take it back and you know, if it's the wrong size for the kids, right? And 575 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:09,440 that's and that's why parking ratios have gone down. And so again, that's 576 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,640 just my my perspective. 577 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,880 » Jody, you know, uh 578 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:19,760 I'm a little allergic to the on-street parking. 579 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:23,000 And and the reason I say that is based on our experience with Big Sky and a 580 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:27,640 couple of others that we've seen in the very dense developments. Uh 581 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:31,120 Texas Heritage Village, Big Sky. There's a lot of street parking and we 582 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:34,920 had a lot of issues around being sure that we maintained those areas and back 583 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:39,480 to your point about emergency access and so on, that we maintained the proper 584 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,160 rights for egress. Uh 585 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:46,040 in this instance, one of my concerns with the on-street 586 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,360 parking in in Big Sky, for example, is children's safety. 587 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,520 Playing in the street, playing in the front yard, and that sort of thing. We 588 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:57,280 don't have residential lots here. So, there's a part of me that says that 589 00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:02,280 concern is not as not as concerning in this development as 590 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:06,160 it would be in a residential area. Is the street parking something you're 591 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,920 you're concerned about or you okay with it in this particular instance? 592 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,640 » It's it's not something I'm concerned about and and just to clarify, I I know 593 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:16,360 you didn't mention the the fire aspect of things, but I was thinking maybe 594 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,160 that's where you were going with the Big Sky and and the fire department is 595 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,720 looking at this. >> of it. It was both. It was It was the 596 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:27,160 emergency access and kids safety. >> The the design of this road and sort of 597 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:32,440 the geometry of it, it doesn't lend itself to to high speed. So, it it's 598 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,480 um you know, it it's something that customers need to be mindful of whenever 599 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:39,720 they they park and get out of their cars, make sure that there's there's not 600 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:43,920 someone coming behind them, but um you know, that this is an area, you know, 601 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:47,120 where like you said, kids playing in the street, people are going to be parking, 602 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,840 getting out of their vehicles, and then walking uh 603 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:56,800 walk walking to the businesses. >> At the risk of going on a tangent with 604 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:59,320 the How is the How is that street that runs east to west? How is it not 605 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,160 conducive to speeding? Are there going to be like speed cushions or any kind of 606 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,920 traffic on it? >> it it it's narrowed down to the point 607 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:11,520 that fire will allow it to be narrowed down and sort of naturally having those 608 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:15,360 those cars parked along the street sort of naturally reduces uh a driver's 609 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,520 speed. Um also, it's not it's not a straight 610 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,480 line all the way across. It has kind of a 611 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:25,320 a curve into it. And the the applicant may have some more details about the 612 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:29,960 design of the road, but that's that's what we were looking at um just kind of 613 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,600 in the initial assessment when I was looking at 614 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,720 » something you're looking at more closely during the site development review, but 615 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:39,880 that's a good question. >> And I can I can um give my two 616 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:42,520 very cheap cents. Uh so So >> So you're 617 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:46,200 you're exactly right. And and what the way we designed that street is we're 618 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:50,320 paying the sidewalk fee in lieu to not have a sidewalk on 290 cuz I think it's 619 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,600 it's crazy that people want to be there. But what we did is we did two sidewalks, 620 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:57,560 one on either side of what's called Dripstone Trail because that's where we 621 00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:02,120 want people interacting. And so there's the road, there's there's landscaping, 622 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:05,360 then there's a sidewalk, and then there's landscaping, and then the 623 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:11,240 parking lot to really divide that space up between pedestrians and 624 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:15,560 and um and and uh cars. And on-street parking, it's not going to 625 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:21,400 be the most convenient. What we typically see that being is, you know, a 626 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:24,520 a lot of times um employees will want to park as close to the front like at a 627 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:27,280 restaurant. If you have a wait staff, and they want to pick park as close to 628 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:31,120 the restaurant as possible. What problem is obviously they have 20 waiters or 629 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:35,560 waitresses, then then those are taking 20 spaces from customers. And so what we 630 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,720 can do, if you can train them to park on something like that, then it does create 631 00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:43,640 a slowing down effect cuz you do have cars there, but then it also frees up 632 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:46,280 the the main parking spaces for for customers. 633 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:52,440 » Last question >> No, go go ahead. 634 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:56,240 » No, my last question is is now that you're going into what I would 635 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:58,760 consider more detailed planning for your tenants, 636 00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:01,400 um what's the likelihood that you're going 637 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:05,920 to be coming back to us with further requests for changes or variances? 638 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:09,840 » So, I mean, we're pretty far down the road on design now. 639 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,200 um and so we don't foresee any additional variances. We do have a 640 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:17,240 landscape variance going in to do rainwater collection versus potable 641 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,840 irrigation, but that's the only other variance we have in front of the city at 642 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,840 this moment. >> don't want to be piecemealed every time 643 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,760 we turn around. >> Right. Absolutely. I I can't 100% 644 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,480 promise, but we've gotten pretty deep on the plans, and so I would expect that 645 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,880 something to pop up between >> Okay. 646 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:32,430 » now and where we are now. >> All right, we're going to hold you to 647 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,680 that. >> [laughter] 648 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:39,760 » Thanks, ma'am. >> When when would this be built? 649 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:42,760 » So, you know, a lot of it depends on uh you know, very similar to Belterra, be 650 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,120 done in phases, but we're hoping to start as early as 651 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:49,880 the beginning of next year, and the the time time frame to build 652 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:54,840 would be anywhere from 12 to 18 months for the first phase. So, but but all the 653 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:58,680 public improvements, roads, streets, sidewalks, landscaping, all that goes in 654 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:02,920 with the traffic signals, diesel lanes, all that goes in with the first phase. 655 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:06,440 » And and this is an Endeavor project? Are you Are you Endeavor or I see Endeavor's 656 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,760 name on this. >> Yeah. So, so my company's called 657 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:15,640 Marathon Equity, and we're 50/50 partners with Endeavor on this project. 658 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:20,160 » And and the um you guys control the property to the 659 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,520 west, so that We do not. You do not. So, you don't know when that continuation of 660 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:29,560 that road >> So, under our TIA, um that road has to 661 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:32,920 be connected as it's developed out going west. So, there is a requirement for 662 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,720 that road to be developed, but we don't own that parcel, so it's 663 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,840 » You don't own that, so. >> That's right. All right, yeah. 664 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,040 » That's right. That's where it's >> That is where it's That's right. 665 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:44,880 » I don't I don't think they have a timeline on that that I've heard. 666 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:50,160 » I have a question about the gym. So, you mentioned a couple times that 667 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:54,640 gyms cause problems for parking, but we've got a gym right there. 668 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:59,280 » We don't have Oh, oh. Yeah, that's not part of our project. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 669 00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:02,166 » I just I know a lot about that gym because my kids that a lot of money on 670 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,800 volleyball. >> [laughter] 671 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:10,560 » And and so I experienced those facilities and that facility I I think 672 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:15,360 that the interplay with your project is going to be really interesting because 673 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:19,640 they anticipate having tournaments every weekend until the end of time. Those 674 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,280 tournaments bring two or three vehicles per family 675 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:26,240 » Yeah. >> to that and and I see them even during 676 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:30,440 the week, right? My kids go to a facility two or three days a week 677 00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:31,720 and those facilities are packed with parkers. 678 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:35,000 » Mhm. >> Everybody waiting in their cars. If 679 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,360 there was shopping nearby, I would imagine there would be a lot of that 680 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:42,640 believe which is fantastic for the development. But that interplay like 681 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:46,360 probably shouldn't be ignored because I know the gym has adequate parking. 682 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:50,960 But I think about everything else that it it could bleed out and I think the 683 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:53,160 impact is like Gold's right at Belterra that gets insane. 684 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,880 » Mhm. >> it gets really packed in the morning and 685 00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:00,200 then at night they could use a lot more parking in there when the Odyssey comes 686 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,160 out and people want to be at the gym, >> Right. Right. 687 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,520 » So, anyway, I just wanted to bring that up because I don't think we can ignore 688 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,840 that there's a giant gym right next door to the project. 689 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:14,560 » Yeah. And is that your old property? >> It is not, no. 690 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:17,492 » Do you have some kind of a shared parking arrangement 691 00:47:16,182 --> 00:47:19,880 » [laughter] [clears throat] 692 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,000 » Yeah, well, all be parked together and and frankly, you know, part of the 693 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:27,080 benefit of being in a project like this is that, you know, somebody parks at a 694 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,840 restaurant and walks over to the gym. Like no one's going to get towed. I mean 695 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,600 that that's part of the benefit of having a bunch of different types of 696 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:36,120 businesses. That's what creates the environment. 697 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:39,280 And so even though it's not our project, no one will know, oh wait, that that 698 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,000 part was done by Endeavor, that part wasn't. 699 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,120 We're doing all the site work and all that 700 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:48,920 to make it seamless. Signage will be seamless, all of that. 701 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:54,240 » I think it's fantastic. I just wanted to make sure, Tory, that cuz I I actually 702 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:57,440 think the net gain of 60 stalls because your street parking is great. And I 703 00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:03,040 think it's going to be probably highly utilized, Um but just from the city's 704 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,480 perspective, Tory, like that was all kind of thought 705 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:09,280 through. >> It it was like for the sports club 706 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:13,280 itself, I'll say we haven't gone through the 707 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:17,080 detailed site plan review of that, but even before that project and I don't 708 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:21,520 want to go off too much on another project, but before that project went 709 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:25,040 through the variance process, we we we worked with them closely to 710 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:29,080 look at the parking requirements to make sure they were meeting those, getting 711 00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:33,040 getting into the details of what was actually going on inside of the building 712 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,320 to to formalize those calculations. >> I think I think Doug makes an excellent 713 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:41,240 point. It's it's taking a look at this not only in the context of their 714 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:45,360 project, but as we all know what we went through, we all know what we went 715 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:48,880 through with the with the gym. And my recollection was as we thought at the 716 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,280 time that it was adequately parked. I know you're still 717 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,760 you're doing your review and that sort of thing. 718 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:57,120 But I think the point is is that at least in as you look at this in more 719 00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:00,440 detail from a site development point of view and the gym, 720 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,920 I think you need to be mindful of the bleed over effect. 721 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,560 » of the gym's pitch was we have this great development going in next door 722 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,880 with all the same >> Right. Right. They were counting on 723 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:12,240 that. Right. And so, you know, you're counting on it and if they're counting 724 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,920 on it, well, you know, it might uh >> Definitely some interplay there. 725 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:20,520 Recently and people were parked for miles outside the school. 726 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:24,400 » And I I will clarify and say as well if if that particular site is not meeting 727 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:27,120 the parking parking requirement, they'll have to go through the the same process 728 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:31,080 that the Daniel Campbell and his team are 729 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,080 going through now. 730 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:38,120 » Okay. What else? Anybody else? Anything else? 731 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,400 We've discussed it. >> have any more questions. 732 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:45,200 » Okay. We've discussed it and so now I will ask for a motion with regard to the 733 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,440 request for the variance to allow a reduction in the onsite parking 734 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,640 requirements for the Headwaters commercial lease project. 735 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,360 » I'll move to approve as per staff recommendation. 736 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:57,800 » Got a motion from Doug Shumway to move to proceed with the recommendation by 737 00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,320 staff. Do I have a second? >> Second. 738 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:04,440 » Got a second from It's a Where did Diana go? 739 00:50:03,209 --> 00:50:06,760 » [laughter] >> Okay. 740 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:08,360 » Let's remember that. Help me, Tory. 741 00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:10,280 » We got >> She deserted us here. 742 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:14,760 » Doug Doug and Doug. >> I got the Doug and Doug. We got a motion 743 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:17,320 and a second, okay? And so with that, let's go ahead and call for a vote. All 744 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,200 in favor say aye. >> Aye. 745 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,480 » Any opposed? >> Opposed. 746 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:26,880 » One opposed. Okay, one opposed. Four to one. Okay, sounds good. 747 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,560 All right. Thank you for that discussion and 748 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:33,880 presentation answering our questions. Appreciate your time and we'll see how 749 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,960 this thing unfolds. All right, let's move forward now. Let's 750 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,280 see Tory, you're going to kind of give us a 751 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,000 an update on the plan. >> I will give you an update on the plan 752 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:47,720 and tonight I'm primarily going to be going over the the survey results that 753 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:51,920 we got from our our the survey that we put out over the 754 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:55,120 summer. Um and just kind of fill you in on next steps and then take 755 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,720 any feedback that that we may have from from the 756 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:04,360 commission. So let me get back to my notes 757 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:06,880 off of the last case, just one second. All right, so 758 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:10,320 as a reminder the >> It's colorful, I'll say that. 759 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:15,160 » It is it is colorful. Well, there's there's a lot of designations that that 760 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:18,920 need to be shown on these maps and you know, I think we picked every color 761 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:23,880 we could find just to to cover everything. Um so as a reminder so 762 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:26,800 this is for the draft 2024 comprehensive plan, 763 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:30,160 a process that we started, you know, back in 764 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:35,720 way back in '22 actually with with first working with the consultants. Um 765 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:39,480 and we went through various iterations and ultimately 766 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,680 ended up taking the last package from the consultant, taking 767 00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:48,560 this in-house and kind of doing this last last step in-house where we can and 768 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:53,480 you know, it the document and you know, do the survey and and analyze 769 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:57,280 that. Um Let me go back to our the actual image 770 00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,120 of the uh survey itself. So, 771 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:04,680 um we did do uh it was primarily an online 772 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:08,120 survey with an opportunity to come by our office, send emails in. We also took 773 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,120 some uh I'll I'll say some 774 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:15,040 I don't want to say limited comments, but we did we did pull comments that we 775 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:19,800 saw on on Facebook as well and kind of looked at those and see how those worked 776 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:24,680 with the trends that we saw. Um but the the public comment period ran uh May May 777 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:28,960 through July. Uh and included uh a couple of different 778 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:34,000 aspects. There was an interactive map aspect of it where applicants could you 779 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,680 know, actually look at the future not applicants, I'm sorry, residents uh 780 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:41,160 interested persons could look at the interactive map and uh you know, if 781 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:46,320 there was something that jumped out of them, actually pinpointing an area on 782 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:50,520 that map, leaving a comment. Um and and we did get a quite a few 783 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:57,240 responses uh through that through that method. Um and let me look let me just 784 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,240 look at that real quick. So, on the uh 785 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,480 on the actual location map itself, we received uh 786 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:08,760 responses from 44 uh 44 individuals and it was a a similar 787 00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:12,920 number for the actual plan itself. Um I think right uh right above 40. So, they 788 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:19,320 could interact with the map, leave comments there, also look at the uh look 789 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:22,560 at the plan itself and actually uh actually make comments on the plan 790 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:27,240 itself. And we did did have some targeted questions as well. 791 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:31,560 Including uh just kind of getting some demographic 792 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:35,120 information, um you know, really being if they live in the city 793 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:38,280 limits, uh which 794 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,880 hopefully they know if they do or don't, but it's often times they they don't 795 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:46,000 actually know if they live in the city limits. Uh if they live in the ETJ, or 796 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:52,920 uh if it's an other or they prefer not to answer. Um and the uh 797 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:57,800 the chart to the right, too, we looked specifically at the 798 00:53:55,240 --> 00:54:01,600 the plan elements. So, there are five plan elements uh tied into the plan. 799 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:06,400 There's protect uh protecting community character, uh connectivity and corridor 800 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:10,200 enhancement, economic development, infrastructure, or economic development, 801 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,480 infrastructure, and and housing. housing. 802 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:16,840 Um and the the top two were were pretty 803 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:21,600 close uh between protecting community character and uh connectivity and and 804 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:25,800 corridor enhancement. And I know that we had uh quite a bit of discussion with 805 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:29,400 our um sort of our our comprehensive plan committee and our our our group 806 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,560 about uh you know, the the last round where we 807 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:36,080 organized these and really having a focus primarily on on infrastructure. 808 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:41,040 So, it's it's interesting to see these notes uh from the general public. 809 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:45,040 Um and the the bottom chart, it's really just to kind 810 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,520 of get a gauge if uh you know, residents find that these 811 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:51,760 these place types on that future land use map 812 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:56,200 were clear uh tying the actual designations 813 00:54:53,520 --> 00:55:01,040 um the rural reserves and the the the employment centers and and and all the 814 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:05,120 designations on there. And uh you know, just asking if those were clear. So, we 815 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:09,240 we got uh I was hoping that we'd get more uh or I'll say fewer 816 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:14,840 uh not clear uh indications, but uh 29 29 817 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:20,080 participants indicated that it it was it was clear and evident uh and 14 um 818 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:24,960 indicated that that those place types were not clear. And then we got so so 819 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:30,200 some other comments and uh I'll say other comments and uh a few 820 00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:36,000 that that preferred not to answer. So, here's just a quick overview of of 821 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:39,960 the comments that we received on um on the interactive map itself. 822 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:45,440 And we we went through this data, too, and try to categorize them best we can. 823 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,920 A lot of them were related to 824 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:54,160 uh they were related to transportation, uh 825 00:55:51,000 --> 00:56:00,200 but the the top aspect was uh centered on sort of the land use and and 826 00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:02,880 community character, which it is uh 827 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:08,480 which is appropriate for this type of this type of map. Uh and we we did get 828 00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:12,600 uh one or two related to uh housing, I think particularly affordable 829 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:16,960 housing, as well as infrastructure and sort of uh 830 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:20,400 uh necessary facilities. So, following up from the survey event, I I'll I'll 831 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:24,200 open it up to any comments or questions that you'll have at this point, but we 832 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:28,120 are we will be coordinating with our our comp comp plan committee, which on the 833 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:31,840 planning and zoning commission includes uh Commissioner uh Foster and 834 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,320 Commissioner Williamson. And we'll be kind of going through these 835 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:38,320 in a little bit more detail, going through the the minor changes that we 836 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:41,960 made through the the plan and the map before we take it back to the planning 837 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:47,800 and zoning commission for a a more deep dive into the plan. Um 838 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:52,080 Yeah, two two ti- I I absolutely, yes, sir, two two times. Um and I'll say that 839 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:55,680 includes my presentation for tonight, but I'll I'll open it up for any uh any 840 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:58,280 comments or questions or direction from the commission. 841 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:09,280 » Anyway, hey Tori, um the two green colors 842 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:16,000 one is a rural preserve and one is a rural reserve, I think it says. 843 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,000 Um 844 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:24,520 Help me understand the colors on the map, and then there's a then there's the 845 00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:28,440 light green, which is just means it's not anything or it's 846 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:32,120 » And and the I I think the light green, I'll say what you're seeing around the 847 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:36,000 the perimeter, uh kind of the furthest extent of the map. Those are This is 848 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:39,560 overlaid on an aerial an aerial that was likely taken after it 849 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:44,320 rained a little bit. So the lighter green kind of on the the 850 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:49,120 extent that you're seeing outside of those shapes is is just the 851 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:53,920 the ground. It's it's the the vegetation from the aerial. 852 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:56,160 But the the rural the rural preserve, that's an area really designated for 853 00:57:56,125 --> 00:58:00,680 » [music] >> actual preservation of land. So kind of 854 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:05,280 open space. There's some areas that are parklands. 855 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:09,880 » But it's not it's not parkland, right? It's That's not 856 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:15,640 It's not like city or county park. >> Right. Right. And and you know on on in 857 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:20,160 turn um I'll say kind of the the lighter green 858 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:24,480 color, that's an area where it's a lot of the the residential areas meet that 859 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:29,080 designation where a minimum of 50% of that area is designated as as open 860 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:32,280 space. So the Headwaters development for instance, the Headwaters residential 861 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,880 area uh meets that criteria because it it it 862 00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:42,000 they they have uh and I did look at those 863 00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:46,760 numbers. It's 60% 66% of the Headwaters residential development agreement area 864 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:49,560 that is limited to uh uh 865 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:53,040 to open space. >> So the way you mapped it then like for 866 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:58,760 Headwaters because other ones look like they're not 867 00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:02,840 done that way. The the lots the hou the lots where the homes are built 868 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:11,520 are are just lumped into the total Headwaters 869 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:15,800 development and then colored light green because it's 60% open space. 870 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:19,800 » it's part of the overall development, yes sir. And you're you are right. There 871 00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:24,120 there were some areas that that we we didn't make those updates to and I think 872 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:27,600 for consistency sake and it may make sense. 873 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:31,600 But whenever we you know when when we're we originally got this this setup from 874 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:35,240 the consultant, it was showing it kind of on a parcel by parcel basis. You'd 875 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:39,760 see that yellow where the single family designation uh for each individual house 876 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:43,480 and then all of the open space designated. And then we we were looking 877 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,760 at developments that weren't fully built out or developments that weren't 878 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:50,880 entitled [music] and had a hadn't started yet. And we didn't really have 879 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:56,040 that granular granular level of of that that site. And quite frankly, this type 880 00:59:53,560 --> 01:00:01,200 of map, it's it's not really meant to be looked at on that level. Uh it's it's 881 00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:04,480 more general broad areas. This is, you know, this is the general area where we 882 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:09,520 want to see this type of use or this type of of growth or limited growth. 883 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:13,480 » So the areas that are shown where they are differentiated should be changed? 884 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:18,320 Like the >> I I think for consistency's sake, um 885 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,160 I if you don't make that suggestion, I 886 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:25,680 think I will. Um, just just to make 887 01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:29,440 like like the the Belterra development. And and I I know we had talked about 888 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:33,240 that internally a little bit and there may have been a reason we didn't change 889 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:36,800 that that specific one. It could be that that particular development didn't meet 890 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:42,160 the the 50% threshold 891 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:47,360 to be considered that that uh reserve or preserve. I'm I'm really I'm 892 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:52,200 getting the two mixed up in my head. Um >> I mean, what's interesting to me is and 893 01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:54,560 this is probably more of a council 894 01:00:53,840 --> 01:01:00,280 um political thing. Um 895 01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:06,320 it it seems like as as hard as it is to delineate the lots versus the 896 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:12,640 open space, for example, in Calaterra or somewhere. Um 897 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:21,080 it it feels like it it's a nice thing to look at on a map for Dripping Springs to 898 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:25,600 to to set a a precedent and a tone that this is the type of residential 899 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:29,560 development that we encourage versus just coloring it all out because once 900 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:35,000 you color it all out, it's just like light green or whatever and 901 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:40,040 I I know it it's hard to get the granularity, but it 902 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:44,520 it seems to me like it just makes it less 903 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:48,240 um self-evident about what we're trying to do here and we like the 60% green 904 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:53,680 space. Um but anyway, so 905 01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:57,160 so I was going to make a recommendation to go the other way, but the more I 906 01:01:55,240 --> 01:02:01,440 think about it, it's almost like you should you should go to the more 907 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:05,680 detailed so that people who look at this map 908 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:10,560 can can understand what what we really like around here and 909 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:14,080 what we've approved for subdivisions that already built or being 910 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:19,320 built. Or and and you know, the the intent and 911 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:22,120 and I'll say quite frankly the truth is is not to take this map and say this 912 01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:27,120 this property, this ranch, these 100 acres 913 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:33,200 the intent is not to say these are undevelopable or or hardly developable. 914 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:37,120 Aside from you know, some designated over spaces, some open spaces, some 915 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:41,200 conservation easements. It's really if it if it develops, 916 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:46,000 you know, in in the case of those uh 917 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:51,040 rural reserves, we're looking we're looking at you know, a minimum 50% open 918 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:55,040 space designation with that. So that it it develops 919 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:59,040 less densely, less intensely and provide some 920 01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:02,960 some of that open space which is really key from the comments that we heard when 921 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:06,880 we initially kind of opened up this process was 922 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:10,880 providing areas for for recreation and and for open 923 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:15,840 space and and just kind of community character in general. 924 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:21,880 » So So I have maybe kind of a a broad question just to understand the intent 925 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:27,000 uh of the future land use map. So, let's say for example, Headwaters hadn't been 926 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:31,200 completely developed and you are you you were coloring things based on 927 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:35,080 um the whole of the development instead of getting like granular per lot. And 928 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:40,920 so, you've made Headwaters um a rural reserve, so that's a minimum 929 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:43,640 50%, right? So, if it's not completely developed, which it's actually not, they 930 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:47,880 still have like that Iron Willow area, but if if with the future land use map, 931 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:54,720 that's the designation it's given as rural reserve, then is there a a tool or 932 01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:58,000 an ability to does the development have to stay within 933 01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:01,800 that? >> I'll say within certain confines. So, 934 01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,320 um you know, immediately following the 935 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:08,960 adoption of the comp plan, it's going to be sort of an implementation uh code 936 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:12,360 update that that takes takes this map and translates them and 937 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:18,160 it's actually already translated in the comp plan, but um you know, to the point 938 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:23,720 where you you cannot request a zoning category that is outside of what this 939 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:27,400 this comprehensive plan area allows. And if you do want to do that, that that 940 01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,280 would trigger a uh >> variance 941 01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:33,000 » Well, that would trigger an amendment to this map. So, there's going to be sort 942 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:36,440 of a future land use map amendment process. 943 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:40,880 Um so, when we see things like zoning amendments come through, 944 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:44,960 um it it I don't want to say it it won't be uncommon, but it 945 01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:49,720 you're likely to see a handful that come through concurrently with a future land 946 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:53,400 use map amendment that planning zoning >> They're at odds with 947 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:56,840 » Right, right. And and it would provide I'll say for the sake of Headwaters with 948 01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:00,600 it being a development agreement, um you know, it would provide the 949 01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:04,120 direction for you know, what what precisely goes into that development 950 01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,240 agreement or at least what the baseline is and then you kind of exceed from 951 01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:09,680 there. >> Okay, well, that that helps kind of 952 01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:13,000 contextualize why there might be an advantage of doing it at the development 953 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:15,840 level because then if you're in the early stages of it, you can kind of set 954 01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,560 that. >> Right. 955 01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:21,560 » Thank you. >> But but it's not a zoning map. 956 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,800 » It's not a zoning map. >> But 957 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:28,760 » It doesn't change what uses you can or can't do on your property today, 958 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:32,600 but it provides guidance and in some cases some 959 01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:36,600 some boundaries for what zoning amendments or zoning changes you can 960 01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:40,560 change. But if there's a property in the ETJ on this map 961 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:43,440 and they're not requesting annexation, they're not requesting a development 962 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:47,280 agreement, they'll develop under those ETJ standards as is. 963 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:51,400 But if they are looking to do something more substantive, larger, 964 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:54,800 requesting any variances, that's where this map comes into play. 965 01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,200 » I Sorry, go ahead. 966 01:05:55,840 --> 01:06:01,040 » Tory, let me let me just drill into it just a 967 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:05,520 hair deeper here. Please. Having sat up here as long as I have over the years, 968 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:08,280 there are a handful of areas in our community 969 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:13,040 that always give us a challenge when someone comes in for rezoning. 970 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:16,680 And I want to be sure that that the approach you're taking in the comp plan 971 01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:20,480 addresses that. Specifically some of the some of the areas that and 972 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:25,520 I'm [clears throat] getting into future land uses here. Some of the areas that 973 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:29,640 always give us a challenge and council as well. 974 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,640 Things like 975 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:38,560 Creek Road in the city limits, the historic districts, 976 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:43,600 Ranch Road 12 to the north a bit, maybe to the south a bit. 977 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:46,920 And and what we have found in the past is and you and you know this, we've had 978 01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:52,760 piecemeal requests for a zoning change or you know, whatever it is. 979 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:56,000 Are we are we going to be able to see in this plan 980 01:06:54,360 --> 01:07:01,480 that there is guidance that helps us navigate those situations? Take for 981 01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:06,000 example the discussion we had at P&Z last month with regard to the the Hayes 982 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:09,640 Sawmill District. You know, it raises a question 983 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:13,560 when you have a property that comes forward for a rezoning. And the question 984 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:17,280 then becomes, "Okay, fine. We can understand what is requested for that 985 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:20,960 property." But the bigger question is, "How does it affect the district in 986 01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:24,520 totality, right? Where is the district going?" The same thing is true with 987 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:28,920 Fitzhugh. We've basically said to Fitzhugh, Old Fitzhugh that is, 988 01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:34,440 "It's going to be a bit of an eclectic neighborhood." Mixed, you know, but the 989 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:38,320 intent is to improve the aesthetics, improve the character and so forth and 990 01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:41,440 so on. And so my question is, when you're thinking about in the North 40, 991 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:44,840 whenever we have something around the North 40, that always ends up being a 992 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:48,840 bit of a challenge. So the question I'm asking is 993 01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:53,280 is is the way you're going about this comp 994 01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:58,160 plan, are we going to have guidance? Are we going to have a compass heading 995 01:07:55,320 --> 01:08:04,040 for future proposals in historic districts, the North 40, Ranch Road 12, 996 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:07,760 Creek Road in the city limits and so on? Uh 997 01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:11,640 How how How is that being addressed in the comp plan? 998 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:14,480 » Or and I'll say the comp plan it I don't want to say it fully addresses 999 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:19,520 what you're asking about, but it does address those those areas to a certain 1000 01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:24,400 extent. And what what it does is is provide guidance of 1001 01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:30,120 this zoning designation or or this type of use is appropriate. Uh maybe in this 1002 01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:33,680 area along along the major arterial. So for the instance of North 40, [music] it 1003 01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:38,600 could be a zoning amendment along Ranch Road 12. Um where where it provides 1004 01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:42,319 provides direction there. I think what you're describing is more 1005 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:46,120 it's kind of more akin to small area plans that a lot a lot of larger cities 1006 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:49,759 do where they they have their comp plan for the overall area and then they get 1007 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,880 down to the neighborhood scale. And that's not something that we've that 1008 01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:58,880 we've discussed. That's not something that that we've really had direction on. 1009 01:08:55,920 --> 01:09:03,080 Um but it it's a it it does serve it does serve a 1010 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:07,279 valuable tool particularly if you are seeing a lot of requests within within 1011 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:11,720 one certain area. And I'll say for the area like uh 1012 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:14,799 not so much Old Fitzhugh, but uh in the Hayes Street neighborhood, you know, I 1013 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:18,839 mentioned a lot of these larger developments we're trying not to get to 1014 01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:24,359 the granular scale. That was one area we in fact have an inset map for our future 1015 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:28,400 land use map that that shows it more so on a parcel-by-parcel basis because we 1016 01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:33,799 do have so many different things going on in that area. And one was to kind of 1017 01:09:30,839 --> 01:09:39,440 reflect reality as it is today. Um you know, if there's uh you know, a 1018 01:09:36,759 --> 01:09:42,839 uh commercial zoning or a commercial use there, 1019 01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:48,799 um you know, not to take it back to you know, a single-family use for instance. 1020 01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:54,480 Um but to to be able to to look at it kind of more holistically. And one thing 1021 01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:57,760 that doesn't necessarily um tie in with the zoning perspective, but from the 1022 01:09:55,960 --> 01:10:01,400 historic preservation perspective, I do want to mention that we are in the 1023 01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:06,480 process now of uh updating our our historic preservation guidelines. Again, 1024 01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:10,600 that's more uh uh it's more aesthetics. It's it's more the 1025 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:13,240 the look and feel of the neighborhood as opposed to what's going on inside of the 1026 01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,840 building. Um 1027 01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:20,320 but as part of that, we are also exploring uh updates to our future uh 1028 01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:23,200 not our future land use map, our land use chart 1029 01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:27,400 uh to try to make the historic overlay and some of those 1030 01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:30,160 uses match better kind of the intent of of that area. 1031 01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:34,560 » I think that's where I'm going is is I just feel a need having seen this occur 1032 01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:38,880 many times over the years uh to be able to point to a document 1033 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:42,160 that says, "This is the vision. This is the vision for Hayes. This is 1034 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:45,880 the vision for Old Fitzhugh. This is the vision for Creek Road. This is the 1035 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:50,080 vision Pick one." Yeah. So that when we come up with 1036 01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:53,920 when we're faced with a rezoning request or development request, whatever, we 1037 01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:57,720 have something to point to and say that what we're considering here is is 1038 01:10:55,720 --> 01:11:01,760 with what we feel is appropriate for this area. We haven't had that very well 1039 01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:04,480 defined in the past. And I know you can't define it back to the granularity 1040 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:07,800 question. You can't define it down to that level. 1041 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:10,600 But every time a rezoning question comes up, the first thing we always ask is, 1042 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,280 you know, how does that fit the comp plan? 1043 01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:16,120 And I want to be sure that that that we have 1044 01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:21,440 going through this exercise, some guidance that helps us make those 1045 01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,440 decisions. Okay. 1046 01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,440 Anybody else? 1047 01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:29,920 Okay. All right. Anything else? Is there 1048 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,240 anything you need from us? >> Um 1049 01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,600 » right now. >> I not not from the commission right now. 1050 01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:38,080 This this conversation's been really helpful. And as I mentioned, our team's 1051 01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:41,240 going to be reaching out to the comp plan committee to kind of getting into 1052 01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:44,680 this a little bit more detail. And in the meantime, we're going to be giving 1053 01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:47,960 an update at city council next week as well. 1054 01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:52,600 » When when would you expect the first real review with P&Z to occur? 1055 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:54,880 » I'm I'm I'm I'm shooting for next next planning and zoning commission meeting. 1056 01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,640 » Okay. Okay. >> And 1057 01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:00,880 » And depending on the input that we get from the comp plan committee and the 1058 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:04,480 discussions there, but that's what we've got on our schedule right now. 1059 01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:08,560 » All right. Any other questions at all on the comp plan? 1060 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:13,360 Okay, I'm moving on to item four, the the planning department summary, if you 1061 01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:16,600 will, Tony or Tory. >> Um 1062 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:21,520 Yes, sir. So, just a couple of updates on some of the ongoing projects. Uh I'll 1063 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:24,800 say the Ranch at Caliterra. So, I don't think the commission's heard much from 1064 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:29,560 that uh probably in the past past few months. Uh 1065 01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:33,960 but this is the area just west of Caliterra, part of their development 1066 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:37,120 agreement, and will kind of function as as part of that as well. And actually, 1067 01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:41,680 Diane, I'm going to back up to look at this map to to help me orient this 1068 01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:45,240 discussion. Um and 1069 01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:48,680 they're they're they're completing their road infrastructure and their wastewater 1070 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:52,800 infrastructure right now. And we expect probably by next meeting that plat to be 1071 01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:56,040 recorded and and potentially Home Start into go vertical 1072 01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:59,920 there as well. Um and I'll say 1073 01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:04,240 theoretically that that could open the road up from Caliterra to Mount Gaynor. 1074 01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:07,320 But with a the home construction going on there, 1075 01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:12,160 it's it's unclear if if that's going to be open to the general general public 1076 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:14,920 quite yet. But that that is kind of a tucked away development that 1077 01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:18,120 uh that 1078 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:22,320 we're going to see see movement on with vertical structures soon. Um for the 1079 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:25,720 Penn tract through the Southern Land developer 1080 01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:29,040 um we're there's a lots of different aspects 1081 01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:33,560 going on with that right now including the transportation impact or 1082 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:39,040 the traffic impact analysis. They did a presentation last month. 1083 01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:41,280 Um the developer did a presentation last month and they got they got some 1084 01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:45,560 feedback. They're working with our transportation consultant to 1085 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:48,520 revisit some assumptions and look at some of the details of what they're 1086 01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:51,880 providing. We're also working to finalize their wastewater utility 1087 01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:57,480 agreement. And for that development Dripping 1088 01:13:53,960 --> 01:14:01,760 Springs Water Supply Corp is is is the the water provider from [music] from 1089 01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:05,280 what we've seen and they'll what we we don't have a firm commitment 1090 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:09,080 from from the water supply corp on that yet. But we made clear that 1091 01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,960 that's something that will need before planning and zoning commission 1092 01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:15,640 recommendation. So >> Yeah, you mentioned in the morning call 1093 01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:17,960 today that there's planned meetings between Southern Development and Water 1094 01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:21,360 Supply to kind of iron that out. 1095 01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:25,200 » I know they've been on a handful of board meetings 1096 01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:28,880 already and they're they're I I know they're looking at the 1097 01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:32,280 I'll say their assumption. It's more than their assumptions. They're their 1098 01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:35,440 restrictions written into the development agreement in terms of how 1099 01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:38,960 many homes they can build a year. There's sort of a slow release process 1100 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:42,920 written in there really for transportation purposes. But that helps 1101 01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:47,160 with the assumptions for water supply corp as well. 1102 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:50,520 And you know, it's a similar situation to wastewater. They can't connect to our 1103 01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:54,240 system today. So, it's going to take an expansion 1104 01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:58,280 potentially two before they can actually connect. So, them doing on-site 1105 01:14:56,080 --> 01:15:03,080 facilities and and kind of that slow release process or slow release concept 1106 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:05,280 for home construction uh 1107 01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:10,240 I don't want to say it takes the ease off of the utility constraints, but it 1108 01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,600 helps to it helps to better plan for them. 1109 01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:19,840 » Anything else? >> Well, if if we weren't already talking 1110 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:22,400 Headwaters, I would let you know that we're we're 1111 01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:27,200 reviewing permits for that right now, Headwaters commercial. 1112 01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:32,000 And as the applicant stated, they're I think aiming to start construction early 1113 01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:34,480 early next year. So, um 1114 01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:37,680 So, that that's moving forward. We've got a handful of permits in there 1115 01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:41,160 between the different properties. And I I 1116 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:45,120 believe we just received a site development permit for the 1117 01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:49,040 for the sports complex, too. Like I mentioned, we haven't done a deep dive 1118 01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:53,840 into that. Sports the sports club, the DS Sports Club. Um So, that that's going 1119 01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:58,000 to be all kind of coming through and being reviewed concurrently. 1120 01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:00,640 » Is Madeline Estates dead dead? >> Uh I have not received a formal 1121 01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:04,320 withdrawal. Um but from 1122 01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:07,960 uh I also haven't heard much of anything 1123 01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:13,760 from from the applicants. >> ATX has gone quiet. 1124 01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:18,920 » That's right. We we haven't uh I know our our staff has reached out to 1125 01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:22,040 him a handful of times. Um and and we we haven't seen an updated submittal. As 1126 01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,960 far as I know, we haven't gotten a a firm 1127 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:29,240 update. So, as a reminder, that that's gone through a few different names. 1128 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:35,360 I think the Ranch Courts is kind of its formal name. So, that's the area right 1129 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:41,000 right south of Village Grove Parkway and including uh our former mayor Uncle 1130 01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:43,400 Bob's property. So, down down on 290 as well. Or 1131 01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:47,320 » Yes, sir. >> What about the water treatment plant 1132 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:50,480 expansion? Where are we on all of that? >> So, 1133 01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:55,040 just in case you're not up to speed, we got through the lawsuit, so favorable 1134 01:16:52,800 --> 01:17:02,600 decision there back in I think Feb- February. 1135 01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:06,600 Um we uh I'll say since 2019 when we originally kind of got that permit and 1136 01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:11,120 started designing it, costs have gone up significantly. So, we had to do one we 1137 01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:17,160 had to do some redesign to meet some updated current standards for our plant. 1138 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:21,000 Um and and with with that and just I'll say it in- inflation or construction 1139 01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:24,040 costs, costs have gone up. Uh but we did secure funding through the Texas Water 1140 01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:28,200 Development Board. Um so, the the funding aspect of it is 1141 01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,480 taken care of and um >> But the 1142 01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:33,480 current >> For Right. Right. 1143 01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:38,320 That's right. I I don't recall the set um 1144 01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:41,560 the set start date. I can follow up with you guys on that. Uh but we are 1145 01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:45,400 expecting uh I it it's 1146 01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:49,120 still going to be probably two plus years before 1147 01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:53,160 that plant is operational and online. >> So, if Groves got houses going up, I 1148 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,520 guess they're going to operate on a T lap in the meantime. 1149 01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:58,920 » Right. So, they I I can't think of a named development 1150 01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:02,040 that isn't doing some sort of a temporary facility. 1151 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:07,280 Uh I'll say a named development under construction. Uh there are one or two 1152 01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:12,360 that are waiting for for capacity. Um and just kind of as a reminder if you 1153 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:16,120 know, we have several developments that we have wastewater agreements with. 1154 01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:20,640 Uh and once that once that plant is built, they've already got We We have 1155 01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:23,800 committed to them that they can connect. Um 1156 01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:30,000 and and in fact, we're going in for for a permit for our our next expansion 1157 01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:33,040 um to to expand again after the one that hasn't been built yet. That's 1158 01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:36,880 that's that's how much we're we're keeping up with with development. 1159 01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:47,920 » So, Tori, as it relates to wastewater, you know, I live out towards um 1160 01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:54,160 um Driftwood. Um so, the construction, are we actively now 1161 01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:57,840 selling or pushing effluent treated effluent to the golf course at this 1162 01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,480 point? All that pipe looks like it's been 1163 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:05,240 laid. >> I think there's a section that hasn't 1164 01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:08,680 been completed, if I'm not mistaken. Um So, I 1165 01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:12,160 I'm nearly confident that's not going to Driftwood yet. 1166 01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:15,880 » But, we are moving it to Caliterra. >> We are moving it to Caliterra, and um 1167 01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:20,360 » Heritage? >> Uh not not Heritage. Heritage 1168 01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:25,440 participated in extending our effluent line to the sports uh the sports fields. 1169 01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:29,520 So, that that was the way they were able to free up LUEs so they could they could 1170 01:19:27,480 --> 01:19:33,160 construct more. >> Right, so it was it was 1171 01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:41,000 so sort of directly involved in that, and you know, that's a benefit for us in 1172 01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:44,080 the the the sports clubs as well, the uh uh 1173 01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:48,960 DSYS A, for instance, where they they've got the greenest fields uh around, just 1174 01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:53,560 just as green as our our drip fields by the wastewater plant. 1175 01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:58,200 » And and do we does the city own that easement that they created to 1176 01:19:56,320 --> 01:20:00,040 get those lines all the way out to the golf course? 1177 01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:03,880 » Yes. >> So, they paid for it, but we own it. 1178 01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,440 » Okay. >> Interesting. 1179 01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:12,360 » Anything else while here? >> Okay, I need one more motion. 1180 01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,120 » Move to adjourn. >> I have a motion to adjourn. Do I have a 1181 01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,880 second? >> Second. 1182 01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,360 » I second. All in favor? >> Aye. 1183 01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:21,200 » Aye. >> We are done. 1184 01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,200 » We are done.