1 00:00:00,171 --> 00:00:05,331 and a little bit past mount Olive So that's 20. 2 00:00:05,331 --> 00:00:06,441 That's 20 lights. 3 00:00:06,441 --> 00:00:06,951 Yes. 4 00:00:06,951 --> 00:00:10,101 So the other 16 lights are already part of the contract. 5 00:00:10,101 --> 00:00:12,921 Okay Some lights and six lights at the intersection. 6 00:00:12,921 --> 00:00:15,231 So sections are proposed to be lit. 7 00:00:15,231 --> 00:00:18,951 So that the total is 36 lights. 8 00:00:18,951 --> 00:00:22,855 The total lights for the entire trail Yeah would be 36 lights. 9 00:00:22,855 --> 00:00:25,971 Okay Thank you for Can you confirm 10 00:00:25,971 --> 00:00:28,786 for me like where it says number to furnish bollard light is. 11 00:00:28,786 --> 00:00:30,861 So that's different to the 16 that 12 00:00:30,861 --> 00:00:33,966 are the taller lights Correct. 13 00:00:33,966 --> 00:00:37,281 The these are the pedestrian lights. 14 00:00:37,281 --> 00:00:42,201 Pedestrian lights are about 14 to 16ft tall. 15 00:00:42,201 --> 00:00:45,883 But for the ones that we're proposing are 14ft tall. 16 00:00:45,883 --> 00:00:47,795 OK And that's 20 lights. 17 00:00:47,795 --> 00:00:51,131 All right Councilmember Garcia and it's the exact same stove 18 00:00:51,131 --> 00:00:56,481 of the 16 that are part of this, correct What information change? 19 00:00:56,481 --> 00:01:00,651 Because I think last time we had we have the 20. 20 00:01:00,651 --> 00:01:04,531 We're talking about the 20 still is it the laborer itself? 21 00:01:04,531 --> 00:01:05,031 That's here? 22 00:01:05,031 --> 00:01:06,921 What information? 23 00:01:06,921 --> 00:01:09,531 So we took the we took the unit prices 24 00:01:09,531 --> 00:01:13,767 from the from the contract that we have now and kind of 25 00:01:13,767 --> 00:01:18,591 took those numbers as our cost estimate as opposed to the cost 26 00:01:18,591 --> 00:01:20,811 estimate that we had received from south coast lighting 27 00:01:20,811 --> 00:01:26,376 as, as a separate just separate contractor doing the work So we 28 00:01:26,376 --> 00:01:29,121 we took the unit prices that were given 29 00:01:29,121 --> 00:01:33,621 to us by the current contractor that we have And we just kind 30 00:01:33,621 --> 00:01:36,831 of to do it as an analysis of like, you know, apples 31 00:01:36,831 --> 00:01:39,621 to apples because in the next, in the next few slides, 32 00:01:39,621 --> 00:01:42,891 I would show you how we did in an a cost analysis 33 00:01:42,891 --> 00:01:47,661 for the other for the bollard lights as well as mirror family. 34 00:01:47,661 --> 00:01:49,941 Did you have a question? 35 00:01:49,941 --> 00:01:58,341 Yes, thank you Could you just go back to that picture Okay 36 00:01:58,341 --> 00:02:03,462 So these light poles are approximately 100ft apart, 37 00:02:03,462 --> 00:02:04,461 is that right? 38 00:02:04,461 --> 00:02:06,951 The the way that the that the calculation 39 00:02:06,951 --> 00:02:11,631 was made in order to create a safety lighting situation? 40 00:02:11,631 --> 00:02:17,481 Yes, it would be they would be spaced between 100 to 150ft. 41 00:02:17,481 --> 00:02:24,651 Okay Now, where are the bollards We haven't gotten 42 00:02:24,651 --> 00:02:26,361 to that part yet Oh, okay. 43 00:02:26,361 --> 00:02:27,818 Well, in that. 44 00:02:27,818 --> 00:02:30,190 So this is a rendering of the pedestrian lighting 45 00:02:30,190 --> 00:02:32,451 that we had originally talked about 46 00:02:32,451 --> 00:02:34,071 and that that staff recommended. 47 00:02:34,071 --> 00:02:35,481 And the last meeting. 48 00:02:35,481 --> 00:02:38,721 So part of the request was that we provided pictures 49 00:02:38,721 --> 00:02:42,731 and renderings of what it would look like placed and the trails. 50 00:02:42,731 --> 00:02:45,224 So that you could have a better visual of that. 51 00:02:45,224 --> 00:02:47,181 And that's what we're presenting here. 52 00:02:47,181 --> 00:02:50,247 So I'm going to show you renderings for the other ones 53 00:02:50,247 --> 00:02:51,066 as well. 54 00:02:51,066 --> 00:02:51,612 OK. 55 00:02:51,612 --> 00:02:57,895 One other question Crossing over the bike path at Mount Olive, 56 00:02:57,895 --> 00:02:59,612 you have the one pole. 57 00:02:59,612 --> 00:03:01,371 I'm talking about going north. 58 00:03:01,371 --> 00:03:03,455 You have the one pole there. 59 00:03:03,455 --> 00:03:07,693 That's really good at lighting up just the crosswalk now. 60 00:03:07,693 --> 00:03:08,913 Now it. 61 00:03:08,913 --> 00:03:10,941 It's seems to me you've got to have 62 00:03:10,941 --> 00:03:14,481 about 30ft either side of where people 63 00:03:14,481 --> 00:03:16,431 enter that intersect section. 64 00:03:16,431 --> 00:03:18,151 How will that be lit. 65 00:03:18,151 --> 00:03:18,651 Right. 66 00:03:18,651 --> 00:03:21,231 So there there is another proposed light 67 00:03:21,231 --> 00:03:22,551 across the street from that. 68 00:03:22,551 --> 00:03:25,897 So now you'll have lights on both sides of the street 69 00:03:25,897 --> 00:03:29,070 and then the next lights would be placed 70 00:03:29,070 --> 00:03:32,353 on on both sides of the trail like moving 71 00:03:32,353 --> 00:03:33,989 moving in both directions. 72 00:03:33,989 --> 00:03:34,643 OK. 73 00:03:34,643 --> 00:03:37,611 But will they be 100ft down? 74 00:03:37,611 --> 00:03:41,241 They could be they could be placed a little bit 75 00:03:41,241 --> 00:03:43,131 closer to create more light. 76 00:03:43,131 --> 00:03:44,841 And that general intersection area. 77 00:03:44,841 --> 00:03:48,391 And then from that point, there would be 100ft. 78 00:03:48,391 --> 00:03:48,891 Okay. 79 00:03:48,891 --> 00:03:52,311 And the reason I say this again, I cross it more than anybody 80 00:03:52,311 --> 00:03:53,187 does. 81 00:03:53,187 --> 00:03:57,351 And I even had a mobile workshop with Larry and Steve Hernandez 82 00:03:57,351 --> 00:03:58,851 so they could see it. 83 00:03:58,851 --> 00:04:05,001 People wear dark clothing and it's the the road is lit. 84 00:04:05,001 --> 00:04:07,821 but it's on the other side. 85 00:04:07,821 --> 00:04:11,601 And so I just I'm right that that was definitely 86 00:04:11,601 --> 00:04:14,346 part of the assessment when it was considered that that 87 00:04:14,346 --> 00:04:17,048 was one of the dark areas. 88 00:04:17,048 --> 00:04:17,839 So it. 89 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:23,661 We go all the way from vineyard to past mount Olive And so about 90 00:04:23,661 --> 00:04:27,181 700ft west of Mount Olive OK. 91 00:04:27,181 --> 00:04:27,681 Thank you. 92 00:04:27,681 --> 00:04:28,506 Out of the 20. 93 00:04:28,506 --> 00:04:32,091 How many Just in that section from vineyard to Olive 94 00:04:32,091 --> 00:04:33,561 it would be about 20. 95 00:04:33,561 --> 00:04:36,451 It would be about 20 just for that one. 96 00:04:36,451 --> 00:04:37,851 I Do have any more questions before we can 97 00:04:37,851 --> 00:04:39,801 move on to Stephanie Do these lights 98 00:04:39,801 --> 00:04:41,781 turn off pedestrian lighting? 99 00:04:41,781 --> 00:04:42,471 Are they solar? 100 00:04:42,471 --> 00:04:45,381 Are they are they automated? 101 00:04:45,381 --> 00:04:45,891 Are they. 102 00:04:45,891 --> 00:04:47,451 These are electric lights. 103 00:04:47,451 --> 00:04:50,751 And the way that they're being requested 104 00:04:50,751 --> 00:04:52,101 is to have an U.V. cell. 105 00:04:52,101 --> 00:04:54,585 So then that would be turned on when 106 00:04:54,585 --> 00:04:56,857 lights when the sun goes down. 107 00:04:56,857 --> 00:04:59,374 And then they they were turned back off. 108 00:04:59,374 --> 00:05:03,021 But there is an option to put a timer on it. 109 00:05:03,021 --> 00:05:05,481 If you want it to turn off at a certain time 110 00:05:05,481 --> 00:05:08,391 and it would have a clock or if you wanted to, 111 00:05:08,391 --> 00:05:11,525 to turn on at a specific time and turn off it So 112 00:05:11,525 --> 00:05:13,956 there's like a timer that you could set when to turn on. 113 00:05:13,956 --> 00:05:15,540 And when they have the capability. 114 00:05:15,540 --> 00:05:16,040 Yes. 115 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,441 OK All right. 116 00:05:18,441 --> 00:05:20,751 I think we're good to keep hearing some more. 117 00:05:20,751 --> 00:05:26,721 Thank you And so here's the one of the other options, 118 00:05:26,721 --> 00:05:28,851 the electric bollard lights. 119 00:05:28,851 --> 00:05:33,681 These would be tied to electric power. 120 00:05:33,681 --> 00:05:36,771 This is a rendering of what they would look like if placed 121 00:05:36,771 --> 00:05:43,521 along the trail And then this is a nighttime rendering 122 00:05:43,521 --> 00:05:54,891 of those same bollards And where are those same place? 123 00:05:54,891 --> 00:05:59,271 Excuse me, but we've already got the 14 foot lights. 124 00:05:59,271 --> 00:06:00,411 These are these are option. 125 00:06:00,411 --> 00:06:02,091 That's option one with the 14 foot 126 00:06:02,091 --> 00:06:08,691 and these are the ballot bollards that we also use right 127 00:06:08,691 --> 00:06:12,231 And so implementation of these lights placed 128 00:06:12,231 --> 00:06:16,506 in the same location as of where we were proposing the 14 129 00:06:16,506 --> 00:06:20,151 foot poles would require them to be 130 00:06:20,151 --> 00:06:23,661 about ten feet on center space. 131 00:06:23,661 --> 00:06:29,811 And so we calculated that to be about 270 bollards from vineyard 132 00:06:29,811 --> 00:06:34,041 up to that at that same location And so 133 00:06:34,041 --> 00:06:37,041 here is the same breakdown again I wanted to give you 134 00:06:37,041 --> 00:06:40,131 all an apples to apples comparison 135 00:06:40,131 --> 00:06:43,491 So the conduit cost is the same. 136 00:06:43,491 --> 00:06:49,092 It would just be the cost of the bollards themselves. 137 00:06:49,092 --> 00:06:52,701 And then the install option as well Installation part 138 00:06:52,701 --> 00:06:54,931 is the mobilization And the mobilization. 139 00:06:54,931 --> 00:06:55,431 Right. 140 00:06:55,431 --> 00:06:57,261 Is that the installation? 141 00:06:57,261 --> 00:06:58,521 Can you please repeat that? 142 00:06:58,521 --> 00:07:01,191 The mobilization and demobilization 143 00:07:01,191 --> 00:07:05,601 is that what is considered the installation costs for this 144 00:07:05,601 --> 00:07:07,731 It would be part of the installation cost yes. 145 00:07:07,731 --> 00:07:12,351 So the mobilization and demobilize zation typically 146 00:07:12,351 --> 00:07:18,921 includes procurement of shipment and purchase 147 00:07:18,921 --> 00:07:21,621 saying staff time from the contract actors. 148 00:07:21,621 --> 00:07:24,441 This is where they throw in all of their extra costs 149 00:07:24,441 --> 00:07:29,001 that would that would be required for for having 150 00:07:29,001 --> 00:07:31,701 a contract with with the city. 151 00:07:31,701 --> 00:07:35,556 The actual installation and the coding is is line item three, 152 00:07:35,556 --> 00:07:39,951 which we've put it at $6,500 because they would require 153 00:07:39,951 --> 00:07:44,601 footings and and digging for those footings and then and then 154 00:07:44,601 --> 00:07:47,637 installing them and tapping into the id, 155 00:07:47,637 --> 00:07:57,651 the electric all how deep are these putting for for a bollard 156 00:07:57,651 --> 00:08:08,811 Two feet and so another another option for also this is also 157 00:08:08,811 --> 00:08:12,321 an electric bollard but this is a concrete bollard because we 158 00:08:12,321 --> 00:08:19,491 talked about just durability and how strong a bowler would be out 159 00:08:19,491 --> 00:08:20,631 in the in the open like this. 160 00:08:20,631 --> 00:08:23,721 So we also got costs for a concrete bollard 161 00:08:23,721 --> 00:08:26,541 so they're going to cost for that is slightly higher 162 00:08:26,541 --> 00:08:30,771 at $1,150 and this is it would look something like the one 163 00:08:30,771 --> 00:08:36,321 in this image And so these that's the cost breakdown 164 00:08:36,321 --> 00:08:44,211 for that same one And here are other examples where these are 165 00:08:44,211 --> 00:08:46,581 not like renderings, but they're just 166 00:08:46,581 --> 00:08:51,141 images of of implementation of these 167 00:08:51,141 --> 00:08:52,701 of these types of bollards. 168 00:08:52,701 --> 00:08:57,801 And at Irvine work walkway Another one 169 00:08:57,801 --> 00:09:04,221 at the fire station at irvine and then this one in an HOA. 170 00:09:04,221 --> 00:09:05,571 And irvine. 171 00:09:05,571 --> 00:09:07,371 So these are all electrical bollards. 172 00:09:07,371 --> 00:09:10,491 And you can see the spacing, how it's, you know just so you have 173 00:09:10,491 --> 00:09:17,901 an idea of what these bollards look like So other lighting 174 00:09:17,901 --> 00:09:21,471 solutions that were explored and that were brought up as 175 00:09:21,471 --> 00:09:24,021 well during our last meeting, we're sold solar border 176 00:09:24,021 --> 00:09:26,451 lights and solar lighting. 177 00:09:26,451 --> 00:09:30,231 I did not provide any images for these, 178 00:09:30,231 --> 00:09:33,591 but they're similar to the regular bollard light, how 179 00:09:33,591 --> 00:09:37,641 they would look and the lighting consultant south coast lighting 180 00:09:37,641 --> 00:09:39,411 does not recommend the solar bollards. 181 00:09:39,411 --> 00:09:45,334 And for this trail, based on limited sun exposure and battery 182 00:09:45,334 --> 00:09:48,893 life, significant being reduced, resulting in increased 183 00:09:48,893 --> 00:09:50,430 maintenance costs and therefore, this 184 00:09:50,430 --> 00:09:54,501 was not this was not an option that they recommend 185 00:09:54,501 --> 00:09:59,511 for solar lighting It would require additional analysis 186 00:09:59,511 --> 00:10:02,631 to determine the placement and the size of the poles 187 00:10:02,631 --> 00:10:04,161 and footings and things like that. 188 00:10:04,161 --> 00:10:07,761 So we did not we were not able to provide a cost estimate 189 00:10:07,761 --> 00:10:14,811 for that at this point we are requesting 190 00:10:14,811 --> 00:10:19,941 the Council to provide direction on how to proceed. 191 00:10:19,941 --> 00:10:22,851 Either proceed with a change order to the Donald m Bernice 192 00:10:22,851 --> 00:10:25,581 Watson Multi-Use pathway improvements project 193 00:10:25,581 --> 00:10:28,191 or the installation of additional pedestrian lights 194 00:10:28,191 --> 00:10:30,411 along the trail within the identified dark 195 00:10:30,411 --> 00:10:34,402 areas in the amount of $500,000 or designate 196 00:10:34,402 --> 00:10:42,253 another option that. 197 00:10:42,253 --> 00:10:46,851 Does anyone any questions, comments or All right, 198 00:10:46,851 --> 00:10:53,871 everyone let's go. 199 00:10:53,871 --> 00:11:01,551 Councilmember lewis, are i I mean, 200 00:11:01,551 --> 00:11:03,081 I don't even know where to start. 201 00:11:03,081 --> 00:11:04,101 Five. 202 00:11:04,101 --> 00:11:09,381 That's that's a lot of money for some light 203 00:11:09,381 --> 00:11:15,381 But we need them I I just. 204 00:11:15,381 --> 00:11:17,151 You know what mayor goes on what else? 205 00:11:17,151 --> 00:11:21,471 I just got that got us Take this. 206 00:11:21,471 --> 00:11:26,091 I got to swallow this big pill already 207 00:11:26,091 --> 00:11:28,101 Council or mayor pro tem. 208 00:11:28,101 --> 00:11:29,391 Thank you. 209 00:11:29,391 --> 00:11:30,051 Thank you, Mayor. 210 00:11:30,051 --> 00:11:32,616 And sorry for being late I was actually 211 00:11:32,616 --> 00:11:35,985 stuck in traffic in Arcadia Nonetheless, 212 00:11:35,985 --> 00:11:37,875 I appreciate this analysis. 213 00:11:37,875 --> 00:11:38,931 And so on. 214 00:11:38,931 --> 00:11:44,226 I think the cost of of putting a two 215 00:11:44,226 --> 00:11:50,661 foot foundation in at $6,500 each 216 00:11:50,661 --> 00:11:58,256 is Gillis That's what you said. 217 00:11:58,256 --> 00:12:01,191 I'm certain that there are many ways 218 00:12:01,191 --> 00:12:07,131 that we can go in and make this cheaper if we what 219 00:12:07,131 --> 00:12:08,811 is the timeline on this thing? 220 00:12:08,811 --> 00:12:14,211 This is not on the critical path in have week on any information 221 00:12:14,211 --> 00:12:20,361 in regards to this solar power she just presented that what 222 00:12:20,361 --> 00:12:26,121 there was not much on there the information 223 00:12:26,121 --> 00:12:27,531 that I provided on solar bollards 224 00:12:27,531 --> 00:12:28,881 is that they were not recommended 225 00:12:28,881 --> 00:12:32,871 by the by the south coast. 226 00:12:32,871 --> 00:12:38,541 Yes based on based on the longevity and the battery life 227 00:12:38,541 --> 00:12:43,881 and the closeness of placement, would it 228 00:12:43,881 --> 00:12:48,118 be possible for my colleagues, perhaps to table. 229 00:12:48,118 --> 00:12:55,671 This in a way to perhaps a week or two more? 230 00:12:55,671 --> 00:13:00,261 This is a full disclosure and we have to do this in public 231 00:13:00,261 --> 00:13:06,051 Is that Brian and I, we actually a with the manufacturers 232 00:13:06,051 --> 00:13:11,061 of these light ballers and LEDs, they are currently 233 00:13:11,061 --> 00:13:13,221 providing some kind of renderings, 234 00:13:13,221 --> 00:13:18,771 but I'm not sure what the status is in the designs and so on. 235 00:13:18,771 --> 00:13:24,231 And perhaps we can have a different point of view, 236 00:13:24,231 --> 00:13:27,531 especially the pricing wise, having just one person telling 237 00:13:27,531 --> 00:13:31,341 me that this is going to be $6,500 per each baller I find 238 00:13:31,341 --> 00:13:34,746 it to be very inconceivable all $2.4 239 00:13:34,746 --> 00:13:40,371 million to dig two foot hole. 240 00:13:40,371 --> 00:13:41,721 I'm just not for it. 241 00:13:41,721 --> 00:13:49,311 I, I would appreciate it if we can perhaps look for other bids, 242 00:13:49,311 --> 00:13:50,151 and so on. 243 00:13:50,151 --> 00:13:53,271 Just to have that interoperability. 244 00:13:53,271 --> 00:13:55,041 So just to clarify the cost. 245 00:13:55,041 --> 00:13:58,731 I'm sorry the cost, the estimate that was provided 246 00:13:58,731 --> 00:14:00,156 is a cost estimate. 247 00:14:00,156 --> 00:14:04,221 And it is not a quote from a contract for at this time. 248 00:14:04,221 --> 00:14:07,851 This was for another estimating. 249 00:14:07,851 --> 00:14:10,461 I think that's estimate is certainly 250 00:14:10,461 --> 00:14:17,159 exceeding what I think our my colleagues 251 00:14:17,159 --> 00:14:18,321 I'm just speaking on my own. 252 00:14:18,321 --> 00:14:22,251 But i think this is pretty extravagant price 253 00:14:22,251 --> 00:14:24,951 tag for something like this. 254 00:14:24,951 --> 00:14:29,301 And i did talk to some of the manufacturers 255 00:14:29,301 --> 00:14:31,881 and they did a walkthrough on it. 256 00:14:31,881 --> 00:14:39,771 With that said so in the beginning of these these policy 257 00:14:39,771 --> 00:14:42,291 solar panels yes, it is true that they need to go and be 258 00:14:42,291 --> 00:14:44,001 fully charge at eight hours. 259 00:14:44,001 --> 00:14:49,461 But later on they can't or very susceptible 260 00:14:49,461 --> 00:14:53,227 And it's possible to do it in 3, 2 4 hours. 261 00:14:53,227 --> 00:14:58,941 And so on So with that said, I don't have enough information 262 00:14:58,941 --> 00:15:06,291 in having $6,000 $6,500 for a two foot aisle, I'll take 263 00:15:06,291 --> 00:15:09,261 that job to take that. 264 00:15:09,261 --> 00:15:13,041 I think we need to go and table it just a little bit longer 265 00:15:13,041 --> 00:15:17,421 or if if my colleagues and so I sat 266 00:15:17,421 --> 00:15:19,131 in on a meeting with Councilmember Kang 267 00:15:19,131 --> 00:15:22,881 that he set up with Deco lighting last week 268 00:15:22,881 --> 00:15:26,631 They stated that it would take them 24 to 48 hours 269 00:15:26,631 --> 00:15:29,141 to get this rendering and some prices. 270 00:15:29,141 --> 00:15:32,691 I reached out to them yesterday, and they responded. 271 00:15:32,691 --> 00:15:34,581 They were still looking into it. 272 00:15:34,581 --> 00:15:36,381 So we have nothing from them. 273 00:15:36,381 --> 00:15:38,751 So I have no idea what they can or can't 274 00:15:38,751 --> 00:15:42,351 do as related to this project. 275 00:15:42,351 --> 00:15:46,761 If we stand here today and obviously council can table it 276 00:15:46,761 --> 00:15:49,281 if we table it, that this won't be a change 277 00:15:49,281 --> 00:15:50,931 order to what we're doing right now, 278 00:15:50,931 --> 00:15:53,181 it will be a separate project. 279 00:15:53,181 --> 00:15:57,921 We will have to go out and go through that process So yes, 280 00:15:57,921 --> 00:16:00,711 there there is some timing to this, 281 00:16:00,711 --> 00:16:06,561 but that's not to say that we can't do that to add to this, 282 00:16:06,561 --> 00:16:10,611 there is the potential since we did request from Senator Rubio 283 00:16:10,611 --> 00:16:12,853 300,000 for a lighting project. 284 00:16:12,853 --> 00:16:14,347 It looks promising. 285 00:16:14,347 --> 00:16:17,271 Obviously nothing has been signed by the governor 286 00:16:17,271 --> 00:16:23,001 And so until that happens we we very could get 300,000, 287 00:16:23,001 --> 00:16:26,421 but we just as easily could not unless it's signed. 288 00:16:26,421 --> 00:16:28,551 But I just wanted to throw that out there on the table. 289 00:16:28,551 --> 00:16:34,581 If there's nothing to do for myself because like I'm with I'm 290 00:16:34,581 --> 00:16:36,531 Kevin Parker with South Coast Lighting, 291 00:16:36,531 --> 00:16:38,368 we don't do any of the installation, 292 00:16:38,368 --> 00:16:39,960 we just provide the lights. 293 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,091 But we we did Photometric reports on the bollards. 294 00:16:44,091 --> 00:16:45,891 And so when you saw that rendering 295 00:16:45,891 --> 00:16:47,961 that was a bollard that was basically 296 00:16:47,961 --> 00:16:53,571 five feet from the path and the bus or bollards three feet tall 297 00:16:53,571 --> 00:16:57,171 and having been in lighting for ten years, 298 00:16:57,171 --> 00:17:00,081 the lower the light is, the less it's going to throw. 299 00:17:00,081 --> 00:17:03,855 And typically in a ball or two, you also want to throw out 300 00:17:03,855 --> 00:17:06,651 So the taller lights there's 14 footers 301 00:17:06,651 --> 00:17:08,691 are throwing side to side. 302 00:17:08,691 --> 00:17:11,691 The bollards are going to have to throw directly out to even 303 00:17:11,691 --> 00:17:15,574 get to the path And even then when you get to the edge 304 00:17:15,574 --> 00:17:17,991 of the path you're looking I'll first of all, 305 00:17:17,991 --> 00:17:22,641 talking for candles It's about 2.1ft candles, which is no. 306 00:17:22,641 --> 00:17:25,461 So the example is full moon. 307 00:17:25,461 --> 00:17:28,844 So that's basically the light you're getting at the last one 308 00:17:28,844 --> 00:17:31,480 third of the path outside of 1/3 of the path 309 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,131 where the bollards would be. 310 00:17:34,131 --> 00:17:38,961 So again the if you really want to light the path, 311 00:17:38,961 --> 00:17:42,141 you want to go with the 14 foot and the other company 312 00:17:42,141 --> 00:17:44,661 that you're talking to about with the bollards, 313 00:17:44,661 --> 00:17:47,061 I wouldn't just have them do a rendering. 314 00:17:47,061 --> 00:17:50,331 I'd absolutely 100% ask for a photo report 315 00:17:50,331 --> 00:17:54,171 because it uses specific file called an IRS file 316 00:17:54,171 --> 00:17:56,181 And that's how the light performs 317 00:17:56,181 --> 00:18:00,921 using different like different types of light patterns. 318 00:18:00,921 --> 00:18:03,981 I'll put it that way Instead saying type one, type 2 type 3. 319 00:18:03,981 --> 00:18:07,431 But there's different types of light distribution patterns. 320 00:18:07,431 --> 00:18:09,517 And I 100% would ask for that. 321 00:18:09,517 --> 00:18:13,911 And tell them how far back you want the bollard from the path 322 00:18:13,911 --> 00:18:17,091 because we did all that for you know, for Stephanie 323 00:18:17,091 --> 00:18:19,521 and the bollards just weren't cutting it 324 00:18:19,521 --> 00:18:21,591 even when we had it five feet from the path 325 00:18:21,591 --> 00:18:23,031 to get it to light the path, you have 326 00:18:23,031 --> 00:18:24,171 to have it right on the path. 327 00:18:24,171 --> 00:18:26,661 You have them all lined up against the path. 328 00:18:26,661 --> 00:18:29,751 So that's all on the solar bollards 329 00:18:29,751 --> 00:18:34,431 If I were about one fourth, the light output 330 00:18:34,431 --> 00:18:39,711 as the grid tied bollards now that's up That's 331 00:18:39,711 --> 00:18:40,821 all I have to say. 332 00:18:40,821 --> 00:18:42,171 Thank you. 333 00:18:42,171 --> 00:18:44,691 And I did remember something else additionally, 334 00:18:44,691 --> 00:18:48,351 the deco lighting stated that bollards would be spaced 335 00:18:48,351 --> 00:18:51,201 6 to 8ft apart in this plan. 336 00:18:51,201 --> 00:18:51,951 It's ten feet. 337 00:18:51,951 --> 00:18:54,981 So it's I don't think we're trying to add 338 00:18:54,981 --> 00:18:57,291 bollards potentially on this. 339 00:18:57,291 --> 00:18:59,721 Obviously, it's the cost that's hanging up council 340 00:18:59,721 --> 00:19:02,961 and but we have no idea what other manufacturers are 341 00:19:02,961 --> 00:19:05,301 would charge us per light and installation. 342 00:19:05,301 --> 00:19:11,451 Yeah, I strongly suggest that even for my company out there, 343 00:19:11,451 --> 00:19:16,957 I get at least three different estimates or quotes are OEM 344 00:19:16,957 --> 00:19:17,937 and whatever. 345 00:19:17,937 --> 00:19:21,711 And so on I'm not going to go in and heavily reliant on just one, 346 00:19:21,711 --> 00:19:29,421 especially with a price tag of $2.4 million 347 00:19:29,421 --> 00:19:31,561 and some member friendly. 348 00:19:31,561 --> 00:19:32,061 Thank you. 349 00:19:32,061 --> 00:19:40,191 Sorry to me the lighting is so much better 350 00:19:40,191 --> 00:19:46,251 with those 14 foot lights, if that's if what we're seeing 351 00:19:46,251 --> 00:19:48,231 is reality. 352 00:19:48,231 --> 00:19:54,981 Yes I also look at those being 100ft apart 353 00:19:54,981 --> 00:19:58,131 as opposed to 8 or 10ft apart. 354 00:19:58,131 --> 00:20:02,481 I'm just our liability There is going to be that much 355 00:20:02,481 --> 00:20:04,281 greater to say nothing of. 356 00:20:04,281 --> 00:20:09,312 Even if we get a lower cost on this it would 357 00:20:09,312 --> 00:20:11,481 be 500,000 versus say 50%. 358 00:20:11,481 --> 00:20:17,781 And we cut the bollard estimate by 50%. 359 00:20:17,781 --> 00:20:21,128 That's still going to be 2 to 2 and a 1/2 times 360 00:20:21,128 --> 00:20:26,121 higher than the 14 foot lights. 361 00:20:26,121 --> 00:20:31,011 With those 14 foot lights working of liable bility 362 00:20:31,011 --> 00:20:36,531 is there with that And by that I mean 363 00:20:36,531 --> 00:20:41,811 are there going to be can people climb up 364 00:20:41,811 --> 00:20:45,441 to the top of those poles and rip something off of their 365 00:20:45,441 --> 00:20:49,161 that would be something they can use, 366 00:20:49,161 --> 00:20:56,781 whether it's some sort of metal or something like that. 367 00:20:56,781 --> 00:21:02,361 I just I want this thing to last because goodness knows, 368 00:21:02,361 --> 00:21:06,561 we see a lot of these things that they put them in 369 00:21:06,561 --> 00:21:09,081 and then they're gone Yeah, correct. 370 00:21:09,081 --> 00:21:12,441 Well, I'm going to answer your question based on several years 371 00:21:12,441 --> 00:21:15,651 ago, we well, I just used Menards 372 00:21:15,651 --> 00:21:18,171 because you talked about earlier at the intersection at all. 373 00:21:18,171 --> 00:21:19,554 And we put a light on one side. 374 00:21:19,554 --> 00:21:21,021 The reason the light was on one side of time 375 00:21:21,021 --> 00:21:22,761 is that's where we had electric, you know, 376 00:21:22,761 --> 00:21:25,761 so but that particular light has been there the entire time 377 00:21:25,761 --> 00:21:28,671 and there's been no damage to guarantee that somebody is 378 00:21:28,671 --> 00:21:30,291 not going to mess with stuff. 379 00:21:30,291 --> 00:21:32,031 But I will tell you that we have some example 380 00:21:32,031 --> 00:21:34,736 out there where that particular light has been has been, 381 00:21:34,736 --> 00:21:35,836 has been fine. 382 00:21:35,836 --> 00:21:42,621 So you know, and any will be doing taking security measures 383 00:21:42,621 --> 00:21:44,397 on anything, the lighting that was approved 384 00:21:44,397 --> 00:21:45,401 as part of the contract. 385 00:21:45,401 --> 00:21:46,701 And that's getting built that's there's 386 00:21:46,701 --> 00:21:49,191 lots of security measures that that's what that whole thing is 387 00:21:49,191 --> 00:21:49,948 change with lighting. 388 00:21:49,948 --> 00:21:51,088 So much in the last few years. 389 00:21:51,088 --> 00:21:56,301 But i don't think that's the picture itself is is any more 390 00:21:56,301 --> 00:21:58,461 risk than anything we currently have in the city 391 00:21:58,461 --> 00:21:59,931 For example, down on Evergreen, we 392 00:21:59,931 --> 00:22:02,421 have pedestrian lights along Evergreen that will 393 00:22:02,421 --> 00:22:04,647 hopefully those will be back soon. 394 00:22:04,647 --> 00:22:06,891 But those we we had a problem with those 395 00:22:06,891 --> 00:22:08,497 we're in the process of fixing that. 396 00:22:08,497 --> 00:22:12,021 At one of your last meetings we the pullback 397 00:22:12,021 --> 00:22:13,731 covers that or we could take care of that problem. 398 00:22:13,731 --> 00:22:19,131 So I think that it i think we've planned for that as best we 399 00:22:19,131 --> 00:22:23,691 can And then my final question is, Brian you talked 400 00:22:23,691 --> 00:22:30,021 about the senators maybe being able to help us out 401 00:22:30,021 --> 00:22:32,451 with something like this one. 402 00:22:32,451 --> 00:22:40,221 Are we going to know about that The last comment I received 403 00:22:40,221 --> 00:22:43,491 from them was I'll request go to the governor 404 00:22:43,491 --> 00:22:44,331 by the end of the month. 405 00:22:44,331 --> 00:22:48,739 So we should know at the end of the month Geez, 406 00:22:48,739 --> 00:22:50,541 you think he'd have something more important 407 00:22:50,541 --> 00:22:54,081 on his plate or 300,000? 408 00:22:54,081 --> 00:22:56,163 I think he has a lot of important things on his plate. 409 00:22:56,163 --> 00:22:56,663 Right. 410 00:22:56,663 --> 00:22:58,611 I think they're budgeting right now. 411 00:22:58,611 --> 00:23:01,431 I think my question is just so I saw 412 00:23:01,431 --> 00:23:04,611 the light in the original sample you gave us, 413 00:23:04,611 --> 00:23:05,661 and it looks really well lit. 414 00:23:05,661 --> 00:23:08,631 It's I'm going to guess it's some form of air or something 415 00:23:08,631 --> 00:23:12,141 And then the next one is like 100 octave darker. 416 00:23:12,141 --> 00:23:15,261 Is that a pretty true The idea of what 417 00:23:15,261 --> 00:23:20,001 the difference will be between the 14 foot and the bollards 418 00:23:20,001 --> 00:23:21,141 Can you repeat that again? 419 00:23:21,141 --> 00:23:23,175 So like, okay, let's go up to the if you don't mind, 420 00:23:23,175 --> 00:23:25,341 I'm pulling up the report, so let's go to the beginning 421 00:23:25,341 --> 00:23:29,181 where you're showing us the sample of the Not that one. 422 00:23:29,181 --> 00:23:29,691 Next one. 423 00:23:29,691 --> 00:23:34,371 Okay So that looks amazingly lit and very, very beautiful. 424 00:23:34,371 --> 00:23:38,031 So then we go down a couple more slides to the bollard sample 425 00:23:38,031 --> 00:23:40,118 and it's completely darker. 426 00:23:40,118 --> 00:23:41,511 Is that a pretty. 427 00:23:41,511 --> 00:23:43,971 And so is that a pretty accurate rendition 428 00:23:43,971 --> 00:23:46,821 of the light difference that we would see having 429 00:23:46,821 --> 00:23:48,921 run the Photometric reports? 430 00:23:48,921 --> 00:23:52,371 Yeah, that's pretty close It probably 431 00:23:52,371 --> 00:23:55,611 would be more gradual as it gets to the edge of the path 432 00:23:55,611 --> 00:23:57,381 and it'll barely be it. 433 00:23:57,381 --> 00:23:59,573 The edge of the path, it'll be like full moon, right? 434 00:23:59,573 --> 00:24:01,881 So picture the last third of that path 435 00:24:01,881 --> 00:24:02,901 under a full moon light. 436 00:24:02,901 --> 00:24:04,111 That's how the edge would look. 437 00:24:04,111 --> 00:24:07,131 OK, I just want to make sure like that that is. 438 00:24:07,131 --> 00:24:08,451 It's very much okay. 439 00:24:08,451 --> 00:24:11,144 And then my other question, Stephanie, is if we like, 440 00:24:11,144 --> 00:24:12,411 let's just say I'm just trying to make 441 00:24:12,411 --> 00:24:14,841 sure I have an understanding of all of our options right? 442 00:24:14,841 --> 00:24:17,341 If we were let's just say we were to go with the bollards, 443 00:24:17,341 --> 00:24:17,841 right? 444 00:24:17,841 --> 00:24:21,051 That's still doesn't we're still getting those original six 445 00:24:21,051 --> 00:24:23,661 or whatever that are in the regular plan that are 14. 446 00:24:23,661 --> 00:24:25,941 So that's probably not considered in this picture 447 00:24:25,941 --> 00:24:28,671 that there will be some sporadic 14 footers that 448 00:24:28,671 --> 00:24:29,901 are already in plan Correct. 449 00:24:29,901 --> 00:24:33,541 That they're not in this like they're not in this area at all. 450 00:24:33,541 --> 00:24:34,041 Right. 451 00:24:34,041 --> 00:24:35,301 They're not in this area. 452 00:24:35,301 --> 00:24:37,641 I just like to have like a full idea of what I'm looking 453 00:24:37,641 --> 00:24:40,611 at because, you know for me, like I, you know, 454 00:24:40,611 --> 00:24:43,134 aesthetically we bollard versus the tall ones 455 00:24:43,134 --> 00:24:44,200 I'm not super concerned. 456 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,394 But I don't know the rest of council has different ideas. 457 00:24:47,394 --> 00:24:48,319 And that's fine. 458 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:50,400 I like the look of that first one. 459 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:50,991 Lighting wise. 460 00:24:50,991 --> 00:24:54,321 But that's just what I'm being presented 461 00:24:54,321 --> 00:24:57,531 If you were to choose to choose to do nothing, 462 00:24:57,531 --> 00:25:00,187 we use still get to see in real life. 463 00:25:00,187 --> 00:25:03,089 What those 14 foot poles are going to look like. 464 00:25:03,089 --> 00:25:04,701 Because they are getting installed. 465 00:25:04,701 --> 00:25:09,471 They're going out of the project around that Oak Bridge area 466 00:25:09,471 --> 00:25:14,751 And when is that part of the project expected to be completed 467 00:25:14,751 --> 00:25:17,391 They're currently working on the conduit 468 00:25:17,391 --> 00:25:22,491 and putting all of all of the features to it. 469 00:25:22,491 --> 00:25:28,464 And we approved the it's the submittal for the light for them 470 00:25:28,464 --> 00:25:30,351 to purchase the light. 471 00:25:30,351 --> 00:25:33,981 So it could be a few weeks before we saw that. 472 00:25:33,981 --> 00:25:34,529 Yeah. 473 00:25:34,529 --> 00:25:36,329 You know the thing I would add that is that, you know, 474 00:25:36,329 --> 00:25:39,765 they need to get solar, which is probably September ish maybe, 475 00:25:39,765 --> 00:25:42,741 but they also, depending on what they're being hooked to, 476 00:25:42,741 --> 00:25:45,171 we might need Edison to, to power them 477 00:25:45,171 --> 00:25:48,321 up depending on the those are going to get 478 00:25:48,321 --> 00:25:50,215 hooked up to existing power. 479 00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:55,941 So it's not part of a new over brand new electrical October 480 00:25:55,941 --> 00:25:57,148 potentially OK. 481 00:25:57,148 --> 00:25:58,521 So my other question is, if we were 482 00:25:58,521 --> 00:26:02,271 to pause this additional lighting till we get a maybe 483 00:26:02,271 --> 00:26:04,371 some more details that the rest of council 484 00:26:04,371 --> 00:26:08,721 might be wanting and be finding out about our funding options 485 00:26:08,721 --> 00:26:11,421 is that going to significantly change the plans if it were 486 00:26:11,421 --> 00:26:13,851 to be done subsequent or after, sorry, 487 00:26:13,851 --> 00:26:15,861 October when we already have a good idea 488 00:26:15,861 --> 00:26:21,111 of what the lighting is going to be like I think there would be. 489 00:26:21,111 --> 00:26:23,871 I think that's why that cost estimate changes a little bit as 490 00:26:23,871 --> 00:26:25,371 well, because there would be there would 491 00:26:25,371 --> 00:26:30,591 be a change to doing it later because the crews are 492 00:26:30,591 --> 00:26:31,551 out here now. 493 00:26:31,551 --> 00:26:32,331 They're doing. 494 00:26:32,331 --> 00:26:34,491 They're doing all that led legwork now. 495 00:26:34,491 --> 00:26:38,721 And it would basically do a be another mobilization 496 00:26:38,721 --> 00:26:39,441 for something. 497 00:26:39,441 --> 00:26:42,021 And they probably have to dig up stuff that we just put down. 498 00:26:42,021 --> 00:26:42,531 Right. 499 00:26:42,531 --> 00:26:46,737 So so according to our schedule, the paving 500 00:26:46,737 --> 00:26:48,705 of the rest of the trail would be 501 00:26:48,705 --> 00:26:50,001 happening sometime next month. 502 00:26:50,001 --> 00:26:52,821 Of course, that that's always subject to change. 503 00:26:52,821 --> 00:26:56,508 But that's kind of like the way that it's going, 504 00:26:56,508 --> 00:27:00,351 not to say that the lights can't go in afterward The conduit 505 00:27:00,351 --> 00:27:03,021 would be outside of the trail anyway 506 00:27:03,021 --> 00:27:06,141 So what's a realistic or just a conservative timeline 507 00:27:06,141 --> 00:27:08,421 that we have to make a decision on this 508 00:27:08,421 --> 00:27:11,241 to where it doesn't affect the natural progression of the trail 509 00:27:11,241 --> 00:27:23,511 improvements Probably mid-September at the latest We 510 00:27:23,511 --> 00:27:25,161 have already asked them for the cost 511 00:27:25,161 --> 00:27:27,591 for the cost estimate for it. 512 00:27:27,591 --> 00:27:30,741 So it, we would have like a more solid 513 00:27:30,741 --> 00:27:33,912 number at that point anyway OK. 514 00:27:33,912 --> 00:27:37,731 If we wanted to, to have them place the order 515 00:27:37,731 --> 00:27:39,411 does anybody else have follow up questions? 516 00:27:39,411 --> 00:27:43,461 Councilmember Garcia i'm still stuck on, on. 517 00:27:43,461 --> 00:27:47,331 I think our biggest liability for pedestrians 518 00:27:47,331 --> 00:27:49,911 is at those intersections where we're 519 00:27:49,911 --> 00:27:54,261 already going to be getting that light in our current scope. 520 00:27:54,261 --> 00:27:55,730 Our trail isn't it? 521 00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:56,331 Does it look nice? 522 00:27:56,331 --> 00:27:56,898 Would it be nice? 523 00:27:56,898 --> 00:27:58,431 I think yes. 524 00:27:58,431 --> 00:28:00,651 But liability wise, I mean, what's our liability 525 00:28:00,651 --> 00:28:01,731 now without it being lit? 526 00:28:01,731 --> 00:28:03,051 It's at your own risk, right? 527 00:28:03,051 --> 00:28:08,985 I mean, it's and it's a multi use trail 528 00:28:08,985 --> 00:28:17,571 don't we have signs that kind of help us out in any Yeah Yeah. 529 00:28:17,571 --> 00:28:21,058 And some light is better than no light and mean, 530 00:28:21,058 --> 00:28:22,641 we're getting 60 new poles intersection 531 00:28:22,641 --> 00:28:26,571 and under the bridge where it tends to be dark now 532 00:28:26,571 --> 00:28:31,566 between vineyard and olive it is super dark there in the evening. 533 00:28:31,566 --> 00:28:33,944 So it would be a great addition. 534 00:28:33,944 --> 00:28:37,641 However, can we get away by splitting this like content 535 00:28:37,641 --> 00:28:41,001 for fill that sense of safety? 536 00:28:41,001 --> 00:28:43,297 I mean, you could light it up like daylight but will 537 00:28:43,297 --> 00:28:43,897 you still feel so? 538 00:28:43,897 --> 00:28:48,981 I mean, I know how you measure safety 539 00:28:48,981 --> 00:28:53,054 The 20 the 20 lights were kind of evenly space 540 00:28:53,054 --> 00:28:55,101 throughout that length. 541 00:28:55,101 --> 00:28:59,151 If if you wanted to just create light 542 00:28:59,151 --> 00:29:02,781 closer to the intersections and not, not bridge all those gaps 543 00:29:02,781 --> 00:29:09,111 and just maybe do two lights in addition to the intersections 544 00:29:09,111 --> 00:29:11,224 to just kind of be closer to the intersection, 545 00:29:11,224 --> 00:29:12,891 that could be something that you would want to do. 546 00:29:12,891 --> 00:29:14,211 It's not like you're going to fully 547 00:29:14,211 --> 00:29:19,645 light the trail anyway with these with the proposed work. 548 00:29:19,645 --> 00:29:23,571 My my second comment would be now you give us a cost estimate. 549 00:29:23,571 --> 00:29:25,491 But with the crews out there right now, 550 00:29:25,491 --> 00:29:29,331 they can't really give us an actual quote for the labor. 551 00:29:29,331 --> 00:29:34,041 It just it's just been a delay on like, okay, 552 00:29:34,041 --> 00:29:37,448 additional questions of like, oh, well, what about, 553 00:29:37,448 --> 00:29:40,401 you know, conduit and lights. 554 00:29:40,401 --> 00:29:42,711 So they're working there were working on it. 555 00:29:42,711 --> 00:29:45,168 They just couldn't get 1 2 us fast enough. 556 00:29:45,168 --> 00:29:50,301 So we ended up going with what the what the cost for what's 557 00:29:50,301 --> 00:29:59,031 part of the contract was So what is the council thinking I'm I 558 00:29:59,031 --> 00:30:01,131 know some people might want to table it, but if we table it, 559 00:30:01,131 --> 00:30:02,526 we need to have a plan of action. 560 00:30:02,526 --> 00:30:04,491 I thought okay. 561 00:30:04,491 --> 00:30:09,057 And a statement suggestion one. 562 00:30:09,057 --> 00:30:12,171 I think the process, this whole process 563 00:30:12,171 --> 00:30:14,211 was a little bit backwards We should have 564 00:30:14,211 --> 00:30:17,061 probably had this discussion before anybody 565 00:30:17,061 --> 00:30:19,041 broke around on the trail. 566 00:30:19,041 --> 00:30:21,981 So that we wouldn't have to come back and hold special meetings 567 00:30:21,981 --> 00:30:24,261 regarding how the lighting should 568 00:30:24,261 --> 00:30:27,861 be how aesthetically pleasing it should look. 569 00:30:27,861 --> 00:30:30,201 I think these conversations as we're supposed to be, 570 00:30:30,201 --> 00:30:39,291 had before even an RFP went out to any contractors for this job. 571 00:30:39,291 --> 00:30:42,321 I think that's my first statement. 572 00:30:42,321 --> 00:30:45,051 And I truly believe that. 573 00:30:45,051 --> 00:30:50,361 I think fairly similar to the way the Dorothy Park was where 574 00:30:50,361 --> 00:30:53,601 we were provided renderings, the cost of option one, 575 00:30:53,601 --> 00:30:59,301 option two, option 3, and we actually went with option four 576 00:30:59,301 --> 00:31:01,371 where we broke it up in stages because we 577 00:31:01,371 --> 00:31:05,181 felt that that was more in line with what 578 00:31:05,181 --> 00:31:07,251 the council was thinking. 579 00:31:07,251 --> 00:31:10,881 I think that that was it's very important to start the process 580 00:31:10,881 --> 00:31:15,471 that way before any ground needs to be broken on any projects 581 00:31:15,471 --> 00:31:16,521 that we do. 582 00:31:16,521 --> 00:31:17,901 I think these type of discussions 583 00:31:17,901 --> 00:31:20,271 are very important because it's holding right now. 584 00:31:20,271 --> 00:31:21,981 What we're doing is holding the project back 585 00:31:21,981 --> 00:31:24,081 and it doesn't do anybody any good at all. 586 00:31:24,081 --> 00:31:26,361 It doesn't do our residents good because they're just 587 00:31:26,361 --> 00:31:27,981 going to be stuck with construction 588 00:31:27,981 --> 00:31:30,891 while utilizing that trail It doesn't do council any good. 589 00:31:30,891 --> 00:31:34,491 Well, hosting special meetings regarding lighting on a trail 590 00:31:34,491 --> 00:31:39,261 that we already have funds for that that's my personal opinion. 591 00:31:39,261 --> 00:31:41,361 I don't know what the rest of the council thinks, 592 00:31:41,361 --> 00:31:43,251 but I think that's just a smarter process 593 00:31:43,251 --> 00:31:44,811 to go forward with next time we have 594 00:31:44,811 --> 00:31:46,941 any community development work. 595 00:31:46,941 --> 00:31:49,311 And when we do have those presentations, 596 00:31:49,311 --> 00:31:52,491 I think renderings such as you provided today 597 00:31:52,491 --> 00:31:56,871 would help provide us a good, reasonable idea 598 00:31:56,871 --> 00:32:00,111 of what it would look like before the project goes out 599 00:32:00,111 --> 00:32:01,401 to RFP. 600 00:32:01,401 --> 00:32:05,181 And any contractors that want to bid on the RFP He knows 601 00:32:05,181 --> 00:32:07,415 that this is pretty much how they need, 602 00:32:07,415 --> 00:32:11,001 what they need to do to make it fulfill the council 603 00:32:11,001 --> 00:32:17,421 and the residents needs Second, I think right now with the way 604 00:32:17,421 --> 00:32:21,501 the timeline is specifically with the governor 605 00:32:21,501 --> 00:32:28,005 signing these funds over and basically, we don't know we're 606 00:32:28,005 --> 00:32:29,234 going to get this right. 607 00:32:29,234 --> 00:32:32,751 And not he can wake up on the wrong side of the bed tomorrow 608 00:32:32,751 --> 00:32:37,281 and said you know what, Nobody's getting any money And if we 609 00:32:37,281 --> 00:32:39,561 approve this today we'll be stuck with 610 00:32:39,561 --> 00:32:42,801 $300,000 out of our pocket. 611 00:32:42,801 --> 00:32:45,141 The other thing I'm thinking is this. 612 00:32:45,141 --> 00:32:50,001 You know, I understand that the public safety for the public 613 00:32:50,001 --> 00:32:55,311 and residents that utilize this trail but from my knowledge, 614 00:32:55,311 --> 00:32:58,941 having a few friends that are runners that know that they are 615 00:32:58,941 --> 00:33:04,701 running at nighttime or when sunsets they are equipped 616 00:33:04,701 --> 00:33:07,731 with lights, reflectors that they have on 617 00:33:07,731 --> 00:33:10,941 and lights to be able to see the path for them 618 00:33:10,941 --> 00:33:16,431 to run The other concern is when we light this path in this trail 619 00:33:16,431 --> 00:33:20,421 the residents that are on this trail they get 620 00:33:20,421 --> 00:33:22,941 affected by the lights that we put there, 621 00:33:22,941 --> 00:33:23,991 such as the Edison lights. 622 00:33:23,991 --> 00:33:27,441 Regardless if we say yes or no, those Edison lights are going on 623 00:33:27,441 --> 00:33:30,441 and there are homes that are along that trail that will be 624 00:33:30,441 --> 00:33:32,811 lit up, specifically their backyards 625 00:33:32,811 --> 00:33:36,861 And they're a part of a part of the homes. 626 00:33:36,861 --> 00:33:41,784 And when that happens speaking to some of our public safety 627 00:33:41,784 --> 00:33:47,931 department deputies, are we inviting unwanted individuals 628 00:33:47,931 --> 00:33:52,131 to this path when they're not supposed to be on this path 629 00:33:52,131 --> 00:33:55,881 Are we inviting unhoused individual 630 00:33:55,881 --> 00:34:00,291 those at certain times to this path to utilize it 631 00:34:00,291 --> 00:34:03,231 as an encampment site, a campsite? 632 00:34:03,231 --> 00:34:06,831 When we light up this path I think 633 00:34:06,831 --> 00:34:11,331 that making this trail aesthetically pleasing, 634 00:34:11,331 --> 00:34:14,721 it's great Probably other ways to go about it. 635 00:34:14,721 --> 00:34:17,661 But I think with the 40 foot lights 636 00:34:17,661 --> 00:34:20,211 adding the extra ones will light this trail a way 637 00:34:20,211 --> 00:34:21,711 too much for my liking. 638 00:34:21,711 --> 00:34:25,821 And it becomes a public safety issue after not a pedestrian 639 00:34:25,821 --> 00:34:29,031 safety but a public safety issue where we're going to have a lot 640 00:34:29,031 --> 00:34:32,691 of unwanted individuals on that path and our deputies are going 641 00:34:32,691 --> 00:34:36,201 to be utilized for these issues for me right now, 642 00:34:36,201 --> 00:34:39,171 because we don't have the $300,000 and we don't have any 643 00:34:39,171 --> 00:34:41,331 written documents from our senators saying 644 00:34:41,331 --> 00:34:43,311 that we have these $300,000. 645 00:34:43,311 --> 00:34:44,976 I'm going to vote no. 646 00:34:44,976 --> 00:34:47,822 And just continue to do what we have already done. 647 00:34:47,822 --> 00:34:51,426 Whatever the the work order is I wouldn't change it. 648 00:34:51,426 --> 00:35:00,111 That's that's my opinion right now Thank you If we were 649 00:35:00,111 --> 00:35:06,231 to table this, can we get enough information back at the next 650 00:35:06,231 --> 00:35:11,113 council meeting in a week ? 651 00:35:11,113 --> 00:35:14,009 I give them a deadline of last week, 652 00:35:14,009 --> 00:35:16,131 and they were still working on it 653 00:35:16,131 --> 00:35:21,231 So I would hope that by next week we would have a number. 654 00:35:21,231 --> 00:35:25,131 OK That's the only reason I would be willing to do it, 655 00:35:25,131 --> 00:35:31,311 because i understand that we're kind of up against a rock 656 00:35:31,311 --> 00:35:33,831 and a hard place. 657 00:35:33,831 --> 00:35:39,501 We all know that we as council members 658 00:35:39,501 --> 00:35:43,551 should all be getting the same information and a council 659 00:35:43,551 --> 00:35:44,721 manager form of government. 660 00:35:44,721 --> 00:35:45,861 That's what you do. 661 00:35:45,861 --> 00:35:48,291 And we can't all get the same information 662 00:35:48,291 --> 00:35:51,291 if we're all going out and talking with different people. 663 00:35:51,291 --> 00:35:55,251 So I would suggest then that we go ahead 664 00:35:55,251 --> 00:35:59,601 and bring them in here to the next council meeting. 665 00:35:59,601 --> 00:36:04,191 If we're going to table it I agree. 666 00:36:04,191 --> 00:36:09,711 I think we should bring everyone in. 667 00:36:09,711 --> 00:36:14,751 Councilmember Gordon my only fear with tabling it and not 668 00:36:14,751 --> 00:36:19,731 doing anything will I just feel like if we table that we already 669 00:36:19,731 --> 00:36:21,531 waited like two, three weeks. 670 00:36:21,531 --> 00:36:25,281 And the price went up $200,000 in three weeks. 671 00:36:25,281 --> 00:36:29,061 My fear is if we wait a month, it'll go up double And then 672 00:36:29,061 --> 00:36:29,960 on top of that, I agree. 673 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,731 I don't think it needs to be totally late 674 00:36:31,731 --> 00:36:38,211 Maybe have it at 80% or 70% and instead of doing 20, we do 12. 675 00:36:38,211 --> 00:36:40,101 But I understand that it's hard to vote 676 00:36:40,101 --> 00:36:42,921 on something when you don't know if you have the funds for it. 677 00:36:42,921 --> 00:36:45,171 But at the same time, I wouldn't like to have this conversation 678 00:36:45,171 --> 00:36:48,471 a year from now where we have to say, put it out to bid, 679 00:36:48,471 --> 00:36:52,941 and then it costs us $1 million to ride the trail again 680 00:36:52,941 --> 00:36:54,741 It's just there's so much uncertainty. 681 00:36:54,741 --> 00:36:56,331 I think if we table that we definitely 682 00:36:56,331 --> 00:36:59,181 have to make a decision before middle of September 683 00:36:59,181 --> 00:37:02,061 just so we don't stop the project 684 00:37:02,061 --> 00:37:04,325 or don't add to the price tag. 685 00:37:04,325 --> 00:37:05,601 I think you can. 686 00:37:05,601 --> 00:37:07,671 Mayor Pro Tem yeah. 687 00:37:07,671 --> 00:37:11,841 With this hyper inflation I think 688 00:37:11,841 --> 00:37:15,255 it's certainly ridiculous less. 689 00:37:15,255 --> 00:37:17,511 But within two weeks 200,000. 690 00:37:17,511 --> 00:37:25,191 I think that's quite inconceivable poll for me 691 00:37:25,191 --> 00:37:30,951 One thing is I certainly want more bids or more estimators 692 00:37:30,951 --> 00:37:31,761 and so on. 693 00:37:31,761 --> 00:37:33,970 I'm not going to heavily rely on just One person. 694 00:37:33,970 --> 00:37:35,961 I'm not going to go ahead and do that. 695 00:37:35,961 --> 00:37:38,391 I will never, ever go and do that. 696 00:37:38,391 --> 00:37:41,691 And i want to know more information 697 00:37:41,691 --> 00:37:46,671 before I'm able to go and decide who to use. 698 00:37:46,671 --> 00:37:48,951 I'm not going to go and just listen to one person. 699 00:37:48,951 --> 00:37:50,661 I'm going to go and listen to at least three people 700 00:37:50,661 --> 00:37:51,321 to understand. 701 00:37:51,321 --> 00:38:01,131 And this i do not think that $6,500 per or excavating to feed 702 00:38:01,131 --> 00:38:06,351 and stalling I don't think that number it 703 00:38:06,351 --> 00:38:09,831 wouldn't add up to me For me. 704 00:38:09,831 --> 00:38:19,131 In addition I seriously strongly suggest at that for us 705 00:38:19,131 --> 00:38:24,231 to do for every detail, information and renderings 706 00:38:24,231 --> 00:38:30,561 and so on, when we ask developers and architects 707 00:38:30,561 --> 00:38:33,891 and you guys know this for the plans 708 00:38:33,891 --> 00:38:39,231 to for submittals you guys would even critique in regards 709 00:38:39,231 --> 00:38:43,641 to the shades of the paint wise that we're 710 00:38:43,641 --> 00:38:46,461 not able to go and get these kind of renderings. 711 00:38:46,461 --> 00:38:48,681 We should be able to go and get these renderings 712 00:38:48,681 --> 00:38:50,721 and so on because you're expecting that 713 00:38:50,721 --> 00:38:56,121 for the developers and i would expect us to go and do something 714 00:38:56,121 --> 00:39:00,951 that's even better I totally agree 715 00:39:00,951 --> 00:39:04,611 with councilwoman Ann Finley. 716 00:39:04,611 --> 00:39:08,481 I really believe that we need to go in and bring everyone in 717 00:39:08,481 --> 00:39:11,871 to have a good confess ation. 718 00:39:11,871 --> 00:39:15,321 So all of us will have more information 719 00:39:15,321 --> 00:39:22,662 so we can go and decide, rather than relying on one consultant. 720 00:39:22,662 --> 00:39:23,254 As far. 721 00:39:23,254 --> 00:39:28,131 Now So can we make a roll call vote then for wanting to table. 722 00:39:28,131 --> 00:39:29,971 This and bring everybody in and one. 723 00:39:29,971 --> 00:39:32,271 This has no, don't change to change order. 724 00:39:32,271 --> 00:39:41,781 Councilmember Louis would like to speak I 725 00:39:41,781 --> 00:39:43,701 I agree with every you know, everything 726 00:39:43,701 --> 00:39:49,671 that everyone's saying and I, I I totally think 727 00:39:49,671 --> 00:39:52,562 i I'm for bringing everyone in. 728 00:39:52,562 --> 00:39:58,618 But it doesn't make any sense to pause when they 729 00:39:58,618 --> 00:40:01,101 already broke ground already. 730 00:40:01,101 --> 00:40:05,965 So and they're not and basically, if we tell them 731 00:40:05,965 --> 00:40:09,130 if we table it then work's going to I mean, 732 00:40:09,130 --> 00:40:12,891 the work is going to still go on out there 733 00:40:12,891 --> 00:40:19,731 and, and it's critical that and if they finish the 16 lights 734 00:40:19,731 --> 00:40:24,681 that we already permanently have, then for them to come 735 00:40:24,681 --> 00:40:27,180 back and do the rest of the lights 736 00:40:27,180 --> 00:40:31,658 if we decide if we if we decide it is going to cost us 737 00:40:31,658 --> 00:40:35,631 extra money, because they're going to have to come back So 738 00:40:35,631 --> 00:40:38,571 I suggest we just get it done. 739 00:40:38,571 --> 00:40:45,206 I mean, make a decision and what we had I 740 00:40:45,206 --> 00:40:50,151 I'm totally agree with cesar Mr. Garcia. 741 00:40:50,151 --> 00:40:52,012 And Mr. Calderon. 742 00:40:52,012 --> 00:40:56,786 I I think we should we i don't think we need 20 extra lights 743 00:40:56,786 --> 00:41:01,581 because I think, 36 lights on the path is I mean, 744 00:41:01,581 --> 00:41:03,921 that's a lot of lighting. 745 00:41:03,921 --> 00:41:07,671 I think we should cut that 20 number in half 746 00:41:07,671 --> 00:41:12,081 and cut him in and cut it in half. 747 00:41:12,081 --> 00:41:19,911 I mean 25 or 26 lights along the path should be clear right? 748 00:41:19,911 --> 00:41:21,921 Well, I think we need to give some direction 749 00:41:21,921 --> 00:41:25,701 And I don't think any of us are lighting experts up here. 750 00:41:25,701 --> 00:41:28,041 So i do think we need to come to a decision 751 00:41:28,041 --> 00:41:31,101 and decide what the staff can bring to us that will allow us 752 00:41:31,101 --> 00:41:35,121 to make a decision So perhaps maybe some kind of an expert 753 00:41:35,121 --> 00:41:37,311 opinion on a slight scale back on the lights 754 00:41:37,311 --> 00:41:39,321 like okay, we've got the 20 plus the 16, 755 00:41:39,321 --> 00:41:41,751 What would it look like if we had a ten plus the 16 756 00:41:41,751 --> 00:41:45,891 or possibly a 12 plus The 16 are we are looking to hopefully 757 00:41:45,891 --> 00:41:49,751 get another opinion that we are waiting for some information on. 758 00:41:49,751 --> 00:41:51,238 And then the alternate. 759 00:41:51,238 --> 00:41:54,935 We do have the final recommendation for the full 20 760 00:41:54,935 --> 00:41:58,311 lights with the 14 foot, as well as the Ballard 761 00:41:58,311 --> 00:42:03,921 with the $6,000 installation cost Councilmember Finley, 762 00:42:03,921 --> 00:42:05,571 thank you. 763 00:42:05,571 --> 00:42:09,741 I am not a prognosticator but I can tell you right now, 764 00:42:09,741 --> 00:42:13,911 in a year and a half or whenever people are walking along there 765 00:42:13,911 --> 00:42:17,181 at night and they're going to go you ripped up this bike path 766 00:42:17,181 --> 00:42:21,411 and you didn't put lights in just I'm just telling you 767 00:42:21,411 --> 00:42:23,601 exactly what's going to happen. 768 00:42:23,601 --> 00:42:30,382 But that being said, I also believe that lighting here 769 00:42:30,382 --> 00:42:33,561 and Larry will tell you lighting keeps 770 00:42:33,561 --> 00:42:38,751 people away if they have nefarious things on their minds. 771 00:42:38,751 --> 00:42:42,021 So I don't believe it will attract 772 00:42:42,021 --> 00:42:43,941 people that shouldn't be there. 773 00:42:43,941 --> 00:42:46,454 I believe it will attract people that want to walk 774 00:42:46,454 --> 00:42:47,958 up and down the bike path. 775 00:42:47,958 --> 00:42:48,817 And if there. 776 00:42:48,817 --> 00:42:52,041 I, I walk that bike path almost every day. 777 00:42:52,041 --> 00:42:54,831 Most of the homes that are on the north side of Royal Oaks 778 00:42:54,831 --> 00:42:57,441 Drive between where the curbs are they 779 00:42:57,441 --> 00:43:02,421 almost all have some growth, high growth in between 780 00:43:02,421 --> 00:43:04,654 their houses and the bike path. 781 00:43:04,654 --> 00:43:06,651 So I don't really think it's going to affect them. 782 00:43:06,651 --> 00:43:09,411 And frankly if it does, we'll just go ahead and plant 783 00:43:09,411 --> 00:43:11,121 something there for them. 784 00:43:11,121 --> 00:43:14,181 All of that being said, I would like 785 00:43:14,181 --> 00:43:19,281 to make a motion that we bring this back in a week with more 786 00:43:19,281 --> 00:43:23,633 options for all of us, and that's you know, 787 00:43:23,633 --> 00:43:30,231 the different bollard people, any of those where we can make 788 00:43:30,231 --> 00:43:35,031 actually So this is a change order because we're already 789 00:43:35,031 --> 00:43:38,905 and existing project, which is why you only 790 00:43:38,905 --> 00:43:41,615 have one person bidding this. 791 00:43:41,615 --> 00:43:45,304 And what's going and not getting multiple bids. 792 00:43:45,304 --> 00:43:46,332 OK. 793 00:43:46,332 --> 00:43:48,661 If that's the council's direction, 794 00:43:48,661 --> 00:43:52,611 then we should just go out, make this its own separate project, 795 00:43:52,611 --> 00:43:54,981 go through the bid process and receive 796 00:43:54,981 --> 00:43:56,301 the lowest responsible bidder. 797 00:43:56,301 --> 00:43:57,831 That's going to cost us a lot more money. 798 00:43:57,831 --> 00:43:59,481 Brian i know, but this is where we're 799 00:43:59,481 --> 00:44:01,821 at today and just refreshed. 800 00:44:01,821 --> 00:44:05,331 Got the council's the way this went 801 00:44:05,331 --> 00:44:07,221 is when the award of contract went 802 00:44:07,221 --> 00:44:09,931 for this trail and this job. 803 00:44:09,931 --> 00:44:10,431 Yeah. 804 00:44:10,431 --> 00:44:13,131 The discussion among council was that we would look at a phase 805 00:44:13,131 --> 00:44:17,631 two for lighting the phase two, which could be this is got 806 00:44:17,631 --> 00:44:19,641 bumped up to the capture rate. 807 00:44:19,641 --> 00:44:23,061 Now while we're in this project, which is why we're here in this 808 00:44:23,061 --> 00:44:24,981 talking about it the way we are right now 809 00:44:24,981 --> 00:44:28,281 instead of finishing the project and going to phase two, much 810 00:44:28,281 --> 00:44:30,711 like we did for Dorothy Park. 811 00:44:30,711 --> 00:44:34,641 So it's a little bit tricky just because we're 812 00:44:34,641 --> 00:44:37,461 in the middle of this project and because of the change order, 813 00:44:37,461 --> 00:44:40,911 we only have that one person bidding 814 00:44:40,911 --> 00:44:44,751 But again, if council's direction is it we bring 815 00:44:44,751 --> 00:44:48,684 it back, Then we, we just make it a whole separate project Can 816 00:44:48,684 --> 00:44:51,441 it still be a change order if US contractors gives us 817 00:44:51,441 --> 00:44:53,691 a number them and we're not, which I'm 818 00:44:53,691 --> 00:44:58,071 sorry if the current contractor gives us their actual cost No, 819 00:44:58,071 --> 00:44:59,901 that just yes, that would be a change order. 820 00:44:59,901 --> 00:45:02,331 But if we are looking for several bids right then 821 00:45:02,331 --> 00:45:04,306 we need to go out for a whole different project. 822 00:45:04,306 --> 00:45:06,189 But right now, we haven't got the actual number 823 00:45:06,189 --> 00:45:06,942 from this contract. 824 00:45:06,942 --> 00:45:09,572 Correct So also correction. 825 00:45:09,572 --> 00:45:12,031 And you're absolutely right The beginning before this. 826 00:45:12,031 --> 00:45:12,531 Bye. 827 00:45:12,531 --> 00:45:17,511 By track bike path contract went out. 828 00:45:17,511 --> 00:45:20,121 We talked about lighting. 829 00:45:20,121 --> 00:45:22,101 So we did ask for lighting. 830 00:45:22,101 --> 00:45:27,651 I know the problem is, is the lighting was split to phase two. 831 00:45:27,651 --> 00:45:30,917 Like brian said because there was a timeline 832 00:45:30,917 --> 00:45:33,771 that the work needed to start on this path. 833 00:45:33,771 --> 00:45:36,951 So lighting was asked at the beginning 834 00:45:36,951 --> 00:45:38,571 but lighting was not provided. 835 00:45:38,571 --> 00:45:41,025 That's why we had split it up to phase two. 836 00:45:41,025 --> 00:45:42,801 And we didn't know there was the potential 837 00:45:42,801 --> 00:45:45,561 of getting 300,000 either. 838 00:45:45,561 --> 00:45:48,137 Yeah, we didn't know that until Two weeks ago. 839 00:45:48,137 --> 00:45:51,381 If I, if I could just add one more thing. 840 00:45:51,381 --> 00:45:56,331 So the trail is being funded by a grant 841 00:45:56,331 --> 00:46:00,471 And that grant was that's the grant request 842 00:46:00,471 --> 00:46:02,562 was submitted years ago. 843 00:46:02,562 --> 00:46:06,111 And as part of the requests for the grant, 844 00:46:06,111 --> 00:46:07,971 there was safety lighting included. 845 00:46:07,971 --> 00:46:11,091 And that's where that that lighting at the intersections 846 00:46:11,091 --> 00:46:11,871 was included. 847 00:46:11,871 --> 00:46:14,571 And that's where the lighting by the bridge was included. 848 00:46:14,571 --> 00:46:17,991 So there was always lighting safety, lighting included 849 00:46:17,991 --> 00:46:21,441 as part of the request for the funds 850 00:46:21,441 --> 00:46:26,391 as well as for the the actual design of the trail project. 851 00:46:26,391 --> 00:46:30,621 And that's what was awarded when the contract 852 00:46:30,621 --> 00:46:32,181 was brought to be awarded. 853 00:46:32,181 --> 00:46:35,898 That's when the conversation of having even more lighting 854 00:46:35,898 --> 00:46:37,374 was brought up. 855 00:46:37,374 --> 00:46:40,161 And that's where i think there must have been like a missed 856 00:46:40,161 --> 00:46:41,901 communication because the council never 857 00:46:41,901 --> 00:46:43,251 just wanted safety lighting. 858 00:46:43,251 --> 00:46:45,441 So I think that's where the disconnect is. 859 00:46:45,441 --> 00:46:46,695 This was years ago. 860 00:46:46,695 --> 00:46:47,728 Yeah, yeah. 861 00:46:47,728 --> 00:46:53,331 And i do recall, if I may, a static right? 862 00:46:53,331 --> 00:46:56,241 It's not just to safety part of it, 863 00:46:56,241 --> 00:47:00,981 the aesthetic It's like the beautification If this is 864 00:47:00,981 --> 00:47:04,491 about safety, just go ahead, make it like a stadium 865 00:47:04,491 --> 00:47:06,921 But we got to making sure that this looks good. 866 00:47:06,921 --> 00:47:10,491 And I vividly i've been saying this for how many years right? 867 00:47:10,491 --> 00:47:12,801 It's always about having it. 868 00:47:12,801 --> 00:47:14,811 Also, look good, too. 869 00:47:14,811 --> 00:47:16,851 And that has to be part of the requirement 870 00:47:16,851 --> 00:47:19,101 going forward So just so I understand, 871 00:47:19,101 --> 00:47:21,531 are you just very much against the tall 14 foot? 872 00:47:21,531 --> 00:47:24,321 Because for me, I am not okay, because I'm just 873 00:47:24,321 --> 00:47:25,799 trying to see where everyone's out with that 874 00:47:25,799 --> 00:47:27,021 because because I like it. 875 00:47:27,021 --> 00:47:28,611 So it's not an issue to me. 876 00:47:28,611 --> 00:47:30,801 And so I'm trying to see how do we get over this issue? 877 00:47:30,801 --> 00:47:33,531 Are we stuck on the bollard lighting aesthetically 878 00:47:33,531 --> 00:47:38,631 and is that where we're getting or like Mayor, if I may, yeah, 879 00:47:38,631 --> 00:47:42,471 I I'm seeking for more information and the information 880 00:47:42,471 --> 00:47:45,951 I got today it's not sufficient enough for me to go and make 881 00:47:45,951 --> 00:47:50,513 a decision and I'll give you where I'm at I like the 44 882 00:47:50,513 --> 00:47:52,941 balls, one because they're already the polls are going 883 00:47:52,941 --> 00:47:54,951 to be installed and I don't want us to deal 884 00:47:54,951 --> 00:47:59,541 with poll and intersection bollard, bollard pull bridge 885 00:47:59,541 --> 00:48:00,231 or bollard. 886 00:48:00,231 --> 00:48:04,251 So there should be conformity So I'm for the 14 polls. 887 00:48:04,251 --> 00:48:05,631 I'm just one. 888 00:48:05,631 --> 00:48:08,361 Do we have we need to make sure we have those funds right. 889 00:48:08,361 --> 00:48:09,381 That changes everything. 890 00:48:09,381 --> 00:48:12,521 If we can get something if we table. 891 00:48:12,521 --> 00:48:14,181 This with enough time for the contractor 892 00:48:14,181 --> 00:48:17,451 to not affect their critical path and the funding 893 00:48:17,451 --> 00:48:19,172 and give us enough time to give us 894 00:48:19,172 --> 00:48:23,121 an actual number for their word, I guess I'm open to that. 895 00:48:23,121 --> 00:48:26,641 But just to counter, I know you talked about, in the future, 896 00:48:26,641 --> 00:48:29,751 if people say, oh, we didn't put lights, 897 00:48:29,751 --> 00:48:34,041 I've had a one call during this whole workshop of someone who 898 00:48:34,041 --> 00:48:36,944 regularly goes to the trail and there was saying, 899 00:48:36,944 --> 00:48:38,811 Are you really going to spend that much money on lights? 900 00:48:38,811 --> 00:48:40,280 So there's also that argument, right 901 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,161 I think having the funds securing the funds would make 902 00:48:43,161 --> 00:48:45,171 this process a lot smoother and would allow us 903 00:48:45,171 --> 00:48:47,241 to make a decision much faster. 904 00:48:47,241 --> 00:48:50,385 But if we don't have the funding, then I've already said, 905 00:48:50,385 --> 00:48:51,225 I agree with you. 906 00:48:51,225 --> 00:48:52,736 I think we need to go in and search 907 00:48:52,736 --> 00:48:54,897 a little bit more That $6,500 are 908 00:48:54,897 --> 00:48:59,469 going put to fund foundation. 909 00:48:59,469 --> 00:49:00,846 I absolutely. 910 00:49:00,846 --> 00:49:01,761 I can't swallow that. 911 00:49:01,761 --> 00:49:02,661 I'm sorry. 912 00:49:02,661 --> 00:49:04,101 That's not a bid price. 913 00:49:04,101 --> 00:49:11,121 It's just a cost estimate Just just so i'm trying to because we 914 00:49:11,121 --> 00:49:13,135 have i know you said we like concert, 915 00:49:13,135 --> 00:49:14,931 you know, conservatives we have to mid September 916 00:49:14,931 --> 00:49:16,238 so or early September. 917 00:49:16,238 --> 00:49:18,351 I guess and we might know. 918 00:49:18,351 --> 00:49:21,051 But we're not for sure about a possible funding 919 00:49:21,051 --> 00:49:22,851 grant by the end of this month correct. 920 00:49:22,851 --> 00:49:28,161 Brian So and then so I feel like we're looking for pieces 921 00:49:28,161 --> 00:49:30,201 of the puzzle, the final information 922 00:49:30,201 --> 00:49:31,491 that you're going to get on the cost, 923 00:49:31,491 --> 00:49:33,051 whether or not we're going to get any funding, 924 00:49:33,051 --> 00:49:37,478 granting And we also kind of need that before the September 925 00:49:37,478 --> 00:49:39,111 Now, if we're going to bring in other contractors 926 00:49:39,111 --> 00:49:41,241 and other Ballard lightings and changing the plan, 927 00:49:41,241 --> 00:49:42,471 I understand that's going to be have 928 00:49:42,471 --> 00:49:44,091 something that will probably have to be 929 00:49:44,091 --> 00:49:46,911 tabled and done as a phase two. 930 00:49:46,911 --> 00:49:48,981 So is everyone in agreement? 931 00:49:48,981 --> 00:49:52,736 Those are kind of that's kind of where we're at So where would we 932 00:49:52,736 --> 00:49:56,181 move the follow up on this that we would hopefully have 933 00:49:56,181 --> 00:50:02,241 the information Stephanie needs the information from Senator 934 00:50:02,241 --> 00:50:11,001 in time to not interfere the plans that are in motion Well, 935 00:50:11,001 --> 00:50:13,464 I think it's a good point to make sure that we have 936 00:50:13,464 --> 00:50:14,654 a price from the contractor. 937 00:50:14,654 --> 00:50:16,371 So we know exactly what that cost 938 00:50:16,371 --> 00:50:20,257 is And I'm speaking for what We got a price on there. 939 00:50:20,257 --> 00:50:22,221 Maybe a separate issue with bollards or whatever the case 940 00:50:22,221 --> 00:50:25,847 might be I think the biggest impact, 941 00:50:25,847 --> 00:50:27,114 correct me if you don't agree with it, 942 00:50:27,114 --> 00:50:28,514 you've been doing with the contractor more 943 00:50:28,514 --> 00:50:34,251 than I have The issue is keeping them on the site longer. 944 00:50:34,251 --> 00:50:36,111 We probably have some time. 945 00:50:36,111 --> 00:50:42,901 You know it's not best case, but if we get i would say i'm hoping 946 00:50:42,901 --> 00:50:45,376 by next week, we would have a contractor 947 00:50:45,376 --> 00:50:51,621 price But we may not know the answer on the other $2,000. 948 00:50:51,621 --> 00:50:55,289 I just my perception watching from the sidelines 949 00:50:55,289 --> 00:50:58,521 it it probably would be nice to know both of those 950 00:50:58,521 --> 00:50:59,361 answers before. 951 00:50:59,361 --> 00:51:00,561 So if we know them in a week, that's 952 00:51:00,561 --> 00:51:03,231 fine If we know I'm at the first meeting September, 953 00:51:03,231 --> 00:51:04,911 the worst case is the contractor is 954 00:51:04,911 --> 00:51:06,711 going to charge a little bit because he 955 00:51:06,711 --> 00:51:08,631 needs to keep people on site. 956 00:51:08,631 --> 00:51:10,491 A lot of this is being done with a submission director 957 00:51:10,491 --> 00:51:14,391 because there's an electrical subcontractor 958 00:51:14,391 --> 00:51:16,341 that probably don't have a lot of control over that. 959 00:51:16,341 --> 00:51:19,892 But it probably makes more sense to just wait and make 960 00:51:19,892 --> 00:51:21,611 sure we have the price correct. 961 00:51:21,611 --> 00:51:23,394 And we would know what the impact 962 00:51:23,394 --> 00:51:24,561 the price might go up a little bit, 963 00:51:24,561 --> 00:51:25,791 but we'd at least know what it is. 964 00:51:25,791 --> 00:51:26,291 Okay. 965 00:51:26,291 --> 00:51:29,031 And if we wait for those two factors and then, 966 00:51:29,031 --> 00:51:33,591 Brian, if we were to be able to accept just more for information 967 00:51:33,591 --> 00:51:37,611 from another Ballard Light Ballard light expert, 968 00:51:37,611 --> 00:51:39,771 that information we know would be having to be 969 00:51:39,771 --> 00:51:40,851 considered into a phase two. 970 00:51:40,851 --> 00:51:43,131 But at least we would have that information so that we could 971 00:51:43,131 --> 00:51:44,751 make our final call with the other two 972 00:51:44,751 --> 00:51:49,225 pieces that sound reasonable ? 973 00:51:49,225 --> 00:51:49,784 Yeah. 974 00:51:49,784 --> 00:51:50,343 Yes. 975 00:51:50,343 --> 00:51:50,902 OK. 976 00:51:50,902 --> 00:51:54,204 So we are So how do I present this tie? 977 00:51:54,204 --> 00:51:59,631 I don't know So you will just need 978 00:51:59,631 --> 00:52:02,181 to give direction and ideally in this case, 979 00:52:02,181 --> 00:52:04,379 because I'm hearing a lot of different thoughts 980 00:52:04,379 --> 00:52:06,154 is to have a motion. 981 00:52:06,154 --> 00:52:07,041 Appreciate it. 982 00:52:07,041 --> 00:52:11,031 Wouldn't be taking any action unless you want to direct staff. 983 00:52:11,031 --> 00:52:15,401 The motion would be, you know, I motion to direct staff X OK. 984 00:52:15,401 --> 00:52:18,021 I need a second and then if somebody disagrees, 985 00:52:18,021 --> 00:52:20,121 they can do us a motion. 986 00:52:20,121 --> 00:52:21,981 OK One last question, Mayor. 987 00:52:21,981 --> 00:52:22,551 Yes? 988 00:52:22,551 --> 00:52:24,351 After we approve submittals for the lights, 989 00:52:24,351 --> 00:52:25,761 what's the length for procurement 990 00:52:25,761 --> 00:52:28,731 on each of those poles? 991 00:52:28,731 --> 00:52:31,227 I think it's a couple of weeks to. 992 00:52:31,227 --> 00:52:32,766 So they're those. 993 00:52:32,766 --> 00:52:33,516 Yeah. 994 00:52:33,516 --> 00:52:34,266 OK. 995 00:52:34,266 --> 00:52:35,016 Okay. 996 00:52:35,016 --> 00:52:36,235 Motion to table. 997 00:52:36,235 --> 00:52:39,741 This to in order to secure pricing from the contractor 998 00:52:39,741 --> 00:52:44,541 and any possible grant funding that may or may not occur as 999 00:52:44,541 --> 00:52:49,371 well as gather additional information for consideration 1000 00:52:49,371 --> 00:52:56,731 for phase two, for additions all contractors or manufacturers 1001 00:52:56,731 --> 00:52:59,881 or And how soon do you want it back? 1002 00:52:59,881 --> 00:53:00,559 Next week. 1003 00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:01,761 Would it be next week or we would 1004 00:53:01,761 --> 00:53:03,951 want it the first week of September 1005 00:53:03,951 --> 00:53:05,541 or first meeting of September. 1006 00:53:05,541 --> 00:53:08,546 We will aim for next week, but we won't know on the grant 1007 00:53:08,546 --> 00:53:10,251 until the end of the month So it would be 1008 00:53:10,251 --> 00:53:11,721 the first meeting is September. 1009 00:53:11,721 --> 00:53:14,701 So So at a future council meeting. 1010 00:53:14,701 --> 00:53:15,201 Okay. 1011 00:53:15,201 --> 00:53:19,851 At a future council meeting as soon as readily available So 1012 00:53:19,851 --> 00:53:22,192 I'll move that motion. 1013 00:53:22,192 --> 00:53:23,361 Okay Okay. 1014 00:53:23,361 --> 00:53:24,447 Second Second. 1015 00:53:24,447 --> 00:53:27,299 All in favor Any opposed? 1016 00:53:27,299 --> 00:53:29,209 Do you need to do a roll call? 1017 00:53:29,209 --> 00:53:34,161 OK Councilmember Calderon, Councilmember Garcia Yes. 1018 00:53:34,161 --> 00:53:37,101 Councilmember Trump Yeah. 1019 00:53:37,101 --> 00:53:38,571 Councilmember Lewis. 1020 00:53:38,571 --> 00:53:40,251 I Councilmember Finlay. 1021 00:53:40,251 --> 00:53:42,301 Yes Mayor Pro Tem King. 1022 00:53:42,301 --> 00:53:42,801 Yes. 1023 00:53:42,801 --> 00:53:44,001 And Mayor Martin Del Campo? 1024 00:53:44,001 --> 00:53:48,471 Yes Motion carries All right. 1025 00:53:48,471 --> 00:53:57,111 And mayor for a little clarifying it, 1026 00:53:57,111 --> 00:54:00,111 is it possible that we can find out, like and still 1027 00:54:00,111 --> 00:54:03,651 have 20 of those lights How much like that 1028 00:54:03,651 --> 00:54:10,221 would be for like a total of 25, like addition or, you know, 1029 00:54:10,221 --> 00:54:15,651 like a like additional ten additional 12, a total of 25. 1030 00:54:15,651 --> 00:54:22,768 But we want to let he's saying 16 plus 6 I think I mean, 1031 00:54:22,768 --> 00:54:24,538 my opinion would be that we need. 1032 00:54:24,538 --> 00:54:26,586 That's not our level of expertise to I don't know. 1033 00:54:26,586 --> 00:54:28,191 I don't know what to do about that. 1034 00:54:28,191 --> 00:54:31,941 One I guess. 1035 00:54:31,941 --> 00:54:34,461 But come back and see if they're spaced out more. 1036 00:54:34,461 --> 00:54:37,083 If we didn't do the 20 the lighting output 1037 00:54:37,083 --> 00:54:40,851 would be different at a different spacing. 1038 00:54:40,851 --> 00:54:46,257 So it would be a different analysis All right Okay. 1039 00:54:46,257 --> 00:54:47,954 But just for clarification and please correct me 1040 00:54:47,954 --> 00:54:53,391 if I'm wrong we can always ask the the contractor to say, what 1041 00:54:53,391 --> 00:54:56,901 if we only had, you know, X number of ballots, 1042 00:54:56,901 --> 00:54:59,811 you know, but as to the aesthetic portion, 1043 00:54:59,811 --> 00:55:00,951 it will look different. 1044 00:55:00,951 --> 00:55:04,858 And that would be a different discussion potentially Okay. 1045 00:55:04,858 --> 00:55:05,991 I don't know how to word that one, 1046 00:55:05,991 --> 00:55:08,790 but maybe if you can provide any information about a slight scale 1047 00:55:08,790 --> 00:55:13,191 down, what that might look like aesthetically and cost wise, 1048 00:55:13,191 --> 00:55:16,131 I will provide a cost breakdown just like I did for this one. 1049 00:55:16,131 --> 00:55:18,953 So you can reduce or increase the number, 1050 00:55:18,953 --> 00:55:21,081 and you'll get an easy calculation. 1051 00:55:21,081 --> 00:55:24,827 Would that be an estimate ? the direction 1052 00:55:24,827 --> 00:55:28,164 is to get the actual cost proposal from the contractor. 1053 00:55:28,164 --> 00:55:30,091 So that's what we will bring back Okay. 1054 00:55:30,091 --> 00:55:30,591 Okay. 1055 00:55:30,591 --> 00:55:32,511 I'm going to do this part real quick to wrap this up. 1056 00:55:32,511 --> 00:55:35,428 Officially, if you wish to speak on any items listed 1057 00:55:35,428 --> 00:55:36,561 on the special meeting agenda, you 1058 00:55:36,561 --> 00:55:38,249 may do so at this time Each member of the public 1059 00:55:38,249 --> 00:55:39,741 have a total of three minutes to speak. 1060 00:55:39,741 --> 00:55:41,451 The council cannot discuss or take actions 1061 00:55:41,451 --> 00:55:42,441 on the matters on the agenda. 1062 00:55:42,441 --> 00:55:43,971 For this meeting, we will call on members 1063 00:55:43,971 --> 00:55:46,191 of the public participating in person first, followed 1064 00:55:46,191 --> 00:55:48,683 by everyone participants If you're participating on a Zoom, 1065 00:55:48,683 --> 00:55:49,717 please raise your digital hand. 1066 00:55:49,717 --> 00:55:51,605 Now or press nine on the phone if you wish to speak. 1067 00:55:51,605 --> 00:55:54,291 Do we have any comments? 1068 00:55:54,291 --> 00:55:57,861 I'm making a final call We do have a Zoom Attendee OK 1069 00:55:57,861 --> 00:56:01,071 This process is now I'm going to make a final call for them 1070 00:56:01,071 --> 00:56:06,381 to raise their hand and nothing. 1071 00:56:06,381 --> 00:56:09,261 And do we have any members of the public that wish to speak? 1072 00:56:09,261 --> 00:56:13,131 I am going to adjourn the meeting Thank you Thank 1073 00:56:13,131 --> 00:56:14,661 you for attending on Zoom. 1074 00:56:14,661 --> 00:56:57,261 Whoever it is and I did walk into the court. 1075 00:56:57,261 --> 00:57:12,740 I was just of i don't know, our so we are far more private Well, 1076 00:57:12,740 --> 00:57:19,065 that's my yeah you entire you're in your i mean, I know Yeah. 1077 00:57:19,065 --> 00:57:24,699 Yeah, I can I could ask you and I can ask him for a vote walking 1078 00:57:24,699 --> 00:57:27,962 the power from a power pole. 1079 00:57:27,962 --> 00:57:28,462 Right. 1080 00:57:28,462 --> 00:57:29,211 No. 1081 00:57:29,211 --> 00:57:31,257 Yeah exactly. 1082 00:57:31,257 --> 00:57:34,521 Yeah, yeah, yeah Right. 1083 00:57:34,521 --> 00:57:38,991 And so we have one on one. 1084 00:57:38,991 --> 00:57:40,851 I'm not right. 1085 00:57:40,851 --> 00:57:44,212 You're limited with your with you. 1086 00:57:44,212 --> 00:57:46,551 So look at how far you bring rights. 1087 00:57:46,551 --> 00:57:48,201 That's pretty expensive. 1088 00:57:48,201 --> 00:57:53,505 I think if are on the national parks. 1089 00:57:53,505 --> 00:57:57,019 It's not really I mean, I could ask. 1090 00:57:57,019 --> 00:57:57,519 All right. 1091 00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:00,801 I just to get a ballpark i know they 1092 00:58:00,801 --> 00:58:04,311 want an exact number or this is the first thing I do. 1093 00:58:04,311 --> 00:58:06,701 That exact number is.