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evening and happy new year to everyone. Today is tuesday,

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january 13th, 2026, and we

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just came out of the close the session. There's no reportable

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action and we'll start our regular meeting

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at 7 0 9 and we'll cause a meeting to order

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and have a pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america

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to be the republic, which it stands, one nation under god,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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agenda. Item two, report on close the session. We already

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reported no, um, action items. So

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mayors, uh, let me see. Council member morada is

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participating remotely via china conference

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pursuant to government code 5 4 9 5 3

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b. His meeting location was posted on the agenda

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and the agenda was posted as a attend conference location 72

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hours before the meeting. All votes during the

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attending conference session will be conducted by roll call

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vote. So agenda item three presentations, and the

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proclamations 3.1, recognition of the

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altamont cruisers car club for their donation to

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doubling police service services.

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thank you. Good evening, madam mayor council. Um, vic fox, chief of police. It's

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my honor to introduce, uh, once again from last year ken reichman and retired dublin police

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services sergeant steve iasis of the altamont cruisers car club.

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the altamont cruisers have been long dedicated supporters of youth programs throughout the tri-valley

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and through their generous fundraising efforts, they've contributed more than $1 million

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to local charities and youth focused initiatives. This year, the altamont cruisers

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have once again demonstrated their commitment to our community by donating $3,500

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to the crime prevention unit. This contribution will help fund essential operating

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supplies for the many community events that we support throughout the year. So please join

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me in welcoming ken, steve, and the altamont cruisers car club for their generosity, commitment

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to service and ongoing support of the delwood community. Yeah, thank you very

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much.

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the front, yes, please share a few words front and center. Uh, I'm

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ken. Uh, thank you for inviting us. I look forward to this every year

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as I know steve does also. Um, it's just our,

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uh, gratitude to be able to help the community and

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all the work and efforts that you guys do. So thank you very, very much. And I hope you

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come out and see our car show at the end of september. It's

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the last sunday in september, and we have over 800 cars, classic

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cars, so very cool. Wow. Thank you. You have to invite us,

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. Yes, we will. We will make a reminder on it for sure.

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you so much for your contribution, and I would like to present this recognition

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to both of you. Do you want to come over and we'll take photo with you? Thank

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you. Thank you very, very much. We give to

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yeah. Thank you. Thank, thank you. Thank you. Very, very

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once again. Thank you. Does that have to be classics? No.

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no. Okay.

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thank. Let's take the church.

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should we invite the, um, chief come over too. Chief, you want

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there you go. Let me, let me

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thank you. Oh, this unique.

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thank you. Thank you.

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agenda item 3.2 2025 sponsor

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recognition.

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good evening, honorable mayor dis uh, distinguished council members and members

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of our community. Um, first off, happy new year. Uh, thank you for the opportunity

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to present the city of dublin's 2025 sponsor recognition. My

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name is ivan san pedro, recreation supervisor for the city of dublin's parks and community services department.

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and tonight we are proud to recognize the businesses and organizations whose

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generous support helped make our programs, events, and services possible throughout

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2025.

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all right, in 2025, the city of dublin

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received $100,980 in cash sponsorships and

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18,700 and in in-kind sponsorships. These

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contributions play a vital role in offsetting the costs of producing community events and

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supporting city programs, facilities and services. On the following

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slides, we will highlight several key events and programs from 2025

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and showcase the meaningful impact of our sponsors.

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first up, uh, st. Patrick's day, um, celebration,

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our annual st. Patrick's day celebration, once again, brought the community together

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for a lively and festive event with the support of our sponsors. Attendees

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enjoyed family friendly activities, entertainment and community engagement throughout

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the day, making this one of, uh, dublin's signature celebrations of the year,

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uh, the spring extravaganza welcomed families to a fun-filled day featuring

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egg hunts, crafts, inflatables, and photo opportunities. Sponsors

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help create a safe and joyful environment where children and families could celebrate

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this. Uh, the season together,

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uh, the farmer's market and summer concert series continue to thrive in

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2025 local vendors live music and sponsor activations

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created vibrant weekly gatherings that supported small businesses

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while offering residents a place to connect and enjoy dublin's park, especially

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in emerald glen park. Picnic flick

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sponsored played a key role in enhancing picnic licks, our outdoor movie series.

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families enjoyed premo activities, games, and giveaways, hosted by sponsors

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helping to create a memorable summer evening in our community.

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splatter once again, capped off the summer with a high energy festival featuring live

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music, interactive activities, food vendors and creative experiences

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for all ages. Sponsor supported help elevate this

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event into a true community celebration.

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at har, uh, uh, sorry. At harvest fair and ghost of dublin,

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families enjoyed fall themed activities, historical elements, and seasonal fun.

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sponsor participation helped bring these traditional events to life. While celebrating

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dublin's heritage.

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just last month, the holiday tree lighting and breakfast with santa, we rang in the holiday season

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with the annual tree lighting and breakfast with santa. These beloved events

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were made even more special through sponsor involvement, creating warm and memorable

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experiences for families during the holidays.

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and lastly, the senior center. Throughout this, uh, 2025, sponsors

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also supported senior center events including resource fairs, specialty

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programs that promote wellness, connection, and enrichment for dublin's

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older adult community. So with that said,

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on behalf of the city of dublin, we extend our sincere gratitude to all of the

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businesses and organizations that supported our community throughout 2025.

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your partnership plays a critical role in helping us deliver high quality programs

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and events that enhance quality of life for our residents.

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um, thank you again for your continued support and partnership, and we look forward to working with you

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all in 2026. Now, at this time, we would like to invite

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all the sponsors in attendance today, uh, to join the mayor and the city council members

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for a group photo. Yeah, please come over if

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you are the sponsors in the list, and we

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would like to thank you and also have a photo with you. We already

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present your certificates before the meeting.

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everyone together? Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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oh, we'll arrange behind me. So for,

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again, following, being here, supporting the city

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agenda item 3.3, recognition of the 2025

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tax, the home holiday, home decorating contest

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winners.

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good evening, mayor and council. I'm jennifer lamarey, recreation technician with the parks

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and community services department. Tonight we are pleased to recognize the residents who helped spread

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holiday cheer throughout our community through the 2025 deck. The homes holiday

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home decorating contest

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deck. The homes is an annual holiday home decorating contest that encourages creativity, neighborhood

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pride, and community connection. This year's contest will once again showcase

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the enthusiasm and talents of dublin residents, commissioners from the parks and community

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services commission and the public served as judges. Winners were selected at the

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december 15th, 2025. Parks and community services meeting and award winners

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received a yard sign. They'll receive a certificate of recognition tonight and a gift card

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from local businesses. This

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year in 2025, we had 15 homes participating from neighborhoods across the city.

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homes were evaluated across multiple categories, recognized for creativity,

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presentation, and overall holiday spirit.

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this map highlights the location of participating homes. Residents

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were able to explore decorated neighborhoods throughout dublin, helping foster a shared community

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experience during this holiday season.

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at this time, we would like to recognize the award recipients. As each winner is announced,

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we invite them to come forward to receive their certificate and be recognized by the city council.

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first, we have the glimcher family at 7 9 5 1 peppertree road.

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the people's choice award is selected by community votes and reflects display that rest

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that resonates most with residents.

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next, we have the gron pre family at 8 6 4 5

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ardmore place. This award recognized the best use of music, movement and technology.

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there's a few that are not here this evening that for sure I know are not here, so, so do

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we. Do we want to bring them on? Just the one by one, the two that I just called are not

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here this evening. Um, so I'll move forward. Next one. The ones that I know that are

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thank you. Sorry about that. Um, next we have

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winter wonderland award with the harris, I'm sorry, spotlight award with

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the harris family at 7 9 6 4 gunshot court. The spotlight award

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is our judge's choice award, and at this time, I'd like to invite the harris family up.

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so, congratulations. You can bring your whole family here.

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oh, good job.

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okay. You kind of like that new style.

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congratulations.

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thank you. Next we have the overinflated

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award with the mccormick family at 6 8 1 5 ion way. This award celebrates

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the best use of inflatables. I don't believe they're here this evening. Uh, we

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have the deck, the halls award with, which is the ross family at

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1 0 8 6 8. Glen glen, gary link, excuse me, the

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deck. The halls award recognizes the best condo apartment display. I

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don't believe they're here as well. Right here. Oh, oh, they're welcome

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for next year. Sorry about that. Teams.

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very fun. Very cool. It'll be bigger next year.

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yeah, we got this new thing going.

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thank you.

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next we have the dashing debut award, which is the eat family at 7 9 8 4

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cranford lane. This award highlights a first year contest entry is the

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eat family here.

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and last we have the goat award. This goat award was the greatest of, of

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all time recognized as outstanding display and excellence in cre, creativity

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scale and holiday spirit. And we have the beto family, and they are here this evening.

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you got two. So how long did it take you to take all that down?

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thank you. On behalf of the city, thank you to all of

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our participants for helping make dublin brighter during this holiday season. We appreciate your creativity,

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community spirit, and willingness to share your homes with residents throughout the city.

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this concludes my deck, the homes presentation. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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now we are, we are on agenda item four, public comment. At

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this time, the public is permitted to address the city

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council on non genderized items. Please

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step to the podium and clearly state your name for the record.

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have any? Yes, mayor. I have two speakers here in the chamber, and the first speaker

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is mike grant.

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good evening, mike grant, longtime resident dublin,

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owner of guns unlimited. December 16th.

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I came here. You guys did a, uh, resolution

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condemning or basically not opening up the prison.

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and, uh, this did nothing but stir up and cause violence.

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as we've seen this in la, portland and minneapolis, the city council in

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minneapolis. And the mayor, mayor stirred the pot. And this caused

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a lady to get shot for doing something stupid, trying

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to run over an ice officer. Then shortly after that, two illegals,

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I said, illegals rammed into an ice vehicle in portland. Both

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of them were also shot. This council has put

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this same signal out to the protestors, said it's okay to disrupt police

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and operations, and that's ice operations. And we even

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had a speaker calling for blocking ice at the last meeting.

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my suggestion for each of you is to immediately put out a statement

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to the protestors in dublin who come and stand on our streets to avoid interfering

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with ice operations if they come to town.

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also told you that the ice doesn't need that federal prison

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at all. They have, they have a military base called camp parks right over

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there. The n-c-n-c-o academy will, will, will be closing in april.

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and this frees up lots of space for law enforcement. Nice

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to live on the base and base out of that place. Now

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why would I bring this up? Well, with the haters following federal

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agency officers around from motels, they will be looking

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at this very soon. That was told to me last night by a few guys that

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I know in the agency. So you should probably think about

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the words that you will need to say, telling people to stand down

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and not interfere with ice operations. I'm sure you would agree

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that we don't need another ice agent attack

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attacked, or he needs to defend himself and shoot somebody in dublin.

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last, the illegals that was in bloomington, minnesota

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for 25 years was just picked up the other day, january the

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sixth, they finally told his family where he went to texas,

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and that's what they're gonna do to anybody they find around here. They're not keeping 'em around here,

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they're gonna send 'em down south someplace so they can be closer to the border and they can run 'em

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across and get rid of 'em. So I come back to you again and I tell you, stay outta

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national politics gene and follow what we said. Seven

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people spoke or sent you guys information on this stuff. Seven people from

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double and outta 72,000, and you reacted with

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the emails. I know you run your eyebrows. The emails that came

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out, I seen them. There was no reason for you guys to get involved in

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this, but you guys are on the spotlight now. Second letter went to president trump and

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christie, so hopefully they'll be out here. Have fun

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mayor. The next speaker is angela tucker.

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uh, good evening and happy nun year, uh, honorable mayor and, uh,

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city council. I wanted to offer just some very, very brief

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comments on, uh, the traffic safety issue relating to,

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uh, not dissimilar topic to the indivisible protests in front

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of the safe, uh, safeway one, I, uh, uh,

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I drive by there regularly and, uh, just last saturday, I drove

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by there again and it is getting a little bit more chaotic.

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and I personally, of course, uh, do not take any issue with people

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protesting. And while I do not follow the rationale

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of pres, uh, uh, protesting president trump in our

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city in california, that is beside the point. I take no issue with

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that, but I am concerned about, uh, the traffic safety.

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a lot of people are crossing, uh, all the time and they're very

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close, uh, to the roadway in particular. I drive,

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uh, may surprise you, but I drive a very large truck. And literally

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people with the placards, they're like inches away from, uh, from the truck when

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you are in the right hand lane. And I'm worried that if

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somebody slips, uh, goes, uh, under the wheels,

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what happens then? Right? What, what happens to liability?

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what happens? Uh, um, you know, they are in a lively way waving

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around the placards. Again, that's their right. I take no issue with that.

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uh, but what happens if they hit my truck? What, what happens

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if, uh, if they, um, wave the placards and

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get injured when they accidentally hit the truck and, uh,

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uh, and, and they injure their wrist? Right? Uh, the scenarios, um,

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don't really bear thinking about, and I would just ask that

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you consider the traffic safety again, in that particular corner.

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perhaps you can take some measures such, uh, such, such

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as barriers and, uh, just sort of attempt to

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get a little bit more, uh, uh, order into that whole

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situation and not quite so much traffic. Uh, not quite so much chaos. Thank

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you very much. Thank you. I,

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I have no more speakers slips, mayor. Okay. Thank you. Um, so moving on. We

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are on agenda item five, consent calendar. So consent,

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uh, calendar items are typically non-controversial in nature

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and are considered for approval by the city council with one single

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vote. Uh, we want to ask council members

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if you have a comments or questions on any con consent

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calendar items. Uh, mayor, I'd like to, um, pull

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item, I think it's five point, um, four just

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for, um, a couple of, uh, uh, comments. Okay.

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uh, mayor, I'd like 5.7, please pull for comments as well.

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5.7 for comments.

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will you and oh, and mayor, I have public comment

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on 5.2 and 5.7. 5.2

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and 5.7. 5.7. Okay. So

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we have to, um, like, uh, do raw cost

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anyway. Um, so make a motion and we'll do roll cost. Have to

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make a motion for motion the consent calendar outside of items 5.2,

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5.4, and 5.7.

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so let's do a roll call. Was there? Yeah. Oh,

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I'll do a second. Okay. Sorry, we got a second by jean. Right

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by by michael. Second by michael. And then let's do a roll call.

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council member marada aye. Council member cadry

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aye. Council member corsten. Aye. Vice mayor.

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josie mayor who? Yes. National motion

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passes unanimously. Yeah. Thank you. So let's go to 5.2 for

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public comment.

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oh, public comment for 5.2 is angela tucker.

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hello again. Um, I did not expect to be here quite so soon.

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again. So, angela, angela tucker again. Uh, I am a

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resident of dublin. I am actually requesting that two items

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be removed from the january consent proclamations,

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specifically the proclamations on ramadan in february and diwali in

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november. Failing that I would request that future proclamations

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on significant question and jewish holidays be approved once submitted.

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ramadan and diwali are both religious observances. Please

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be reminded that there are currently no proclamation for other

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religions observances included in the list of proclamations.

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for whatever reason, a city council should refrain

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from promoting only particular religions I

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bear, no ill will to, uh, towards anyone per

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the first amendment. I support every american's right to practice

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whatever religion they choose or none. Not only do we

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have freedom of religion, we also have freedom from religion.

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I expect that the intention behind the proclamations for ramadan and diwali

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is diversity and inclusion related be be that as

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it may, please consider that promoting only one or limited

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religious, uh, uh, groups does not make for conclusion it could be

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considered somewhat divisive and exclusionary.

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additionally, proclaiming islamic and hindu holidays exclusively

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does not reflect the religious diversity of our city.

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dublin has a vibrant catholic and non non-denominational

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christian community, and we have jewish residents too

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that is not at all reflected in the current proclamations. Again,

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for whatever reasons. In summary, I primarily

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request that you remove from madan and diwali from the city proclamations

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at this time and propose that you generally refrain

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from selective religious promotion. However, should you decide

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after deliberations that you want to keep the proclamations on

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ramadan and diwali, I simply ask that you are even handed

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and agree in future to adding proclamations on significant christian

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and jewish holidays such as land easter,

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christmas, yom kippur, and hanukkah. Anything less

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could probably be construed as discriminatory against christians

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and jewish people. I trust that the mayor and this

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city council would not intentionally ever be discriminating

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against significant portions of this community. Thank

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you very much for your attention and consideration.

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thank you. So 5.2 and then move to

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5.4. City council participation in the 2026

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st. Patrick day. You have a comment to make, right? Um, yeah, I I just wanted to add, um,

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uh, one comment that, um, this year, st. Patrick's day,

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um, falls, the st's day parade and festiv fall in conjunction with

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national league of cities, um, congressional city conference. And there, um, several

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of us that may end up going to that. I know several of us are on policy committees for

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that. Um, and so yes, fully supportive of the, um,

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staff's recommendation, but also wondering if, um, in conjunction with that

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there is an appetite to move. Um, the, uh, council meeting

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that is on the 17th to the following week. There are five tuesdays

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in the months of march. And so I'm wondering if I get head nods that, um, so that

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we don't have council members that are immediately flying out, um, as part

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of the celebration. You know, some of us wouldn't

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be reading packets and all of that at the same time. John is looking at me funny. Am I outta line?

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no. Good. Okay. Um, would there be, uh, head nods to move

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our, um, march 17th meeting to the following tuesday?

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um, anybody have a problem with that? I'd be supportive of that. Supportive of that?

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yeah. Yeah. Oh, there's plan commission meeting that night. Is that

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a problem? Well, yeah, the diocese is a problem for sure.

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uh, how about their regular meeting night? But often they get canceled so we, we

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we, they can probably plan around it, right? John? I, yeah. Or they

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could move. Okay. You guys take priority . Um,

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I'm seeing, I'm appreciate that, john. Yeah. Um, so I guess my ask

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is to have staff look into it and see if that's doable for us. Be fantastic.

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okay. Yeah. Thank you. Um, so moving on to 5.7.

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sorry, uh, just quick comment. Uh, I, for 5.4, I, I

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appreciate the opportunity to walk in the parade. I was hoping we could just, uh,

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I'm assuming walking as a group, just the five of us as a council,

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we do have a, um, there is a big winner

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who has to work with, with the mayor.

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there's what there, there we had the nonprofit organization

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had a event. So they bid out walking with

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the mayor in st. Patrick day as one of the award.

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so there's a, there's a, a winner . When

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did we agree on that? It's, uh, it happened just

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a long time ago. Uh, yeah. I, I, you know, that mayor and council members, we can,

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uh, so primarily it is the city council. There should be no other groups,

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um, mayor, um, we can, we can talk about that individual offline.

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okay. Yeah. It's primarily the city council primarily,

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or exclusively, sorry. It's never been exclusively the

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city council, uh, because we've had groups sort of tag along. Um,

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it was our plan, our staff plan to control that this year. Anyway, um,

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I I'm, I'm opening that up to you to decide whether it's going to be exclusive,

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uh, here and now. And then the mayor and I can discuss so other ways for that individual to

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participate. Yeah. This is a, a nonprofit organization. They were

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fundraising and then they bid out and they, they

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actually, it it's, it's a ceo of stanford who won that bid.

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that that is the thing we kind of already promised. We who, who,

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how did this all remind yeah. And the city, I also say this way. How did, how

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did this come about? So this just the nonprofit

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ask about this specifically and I grade

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and I say I grade. Oh,

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sounds like that's an offline conversation. But yeah, it could be limited to the five

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council members. And, and then you can discuss that particular account. Thank you.

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okay. So, so, but I am not sure.

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so she, is that a, are

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you making a motion or amendment? Are we trying to do something

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here? 5.4. I think the, uh,

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staff was seeking direction on, uh, your method of participation, which is walking,

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uh, and now we've been asked to make it exclusively, uh,

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the city council. That's what I hear. Okay.

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and look into moving the council meeting directly following st. Patrick's day. Why,

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why is council meetings related to this, uh, patrick day? Because

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the, um, activities of st. Patrick's day sort of stomp on agenda review

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and all of that and traveling to nlc. It's a week

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before. No, it's, it's in conjunction. The, um, parade is on the 14th, the

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count, the packet, all of that is in the, the lead up to that meeting.

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and some of us will be flying out maybe directly from the parade to go to

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nlc. I see. Okay. Alright. Where, where do agree on that one, right? Yeah.

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okay. 5.7 doubling

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fanon. Five 80 statement of overriding

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considerations. Yes. And thank you mayor,

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uh, council member john radha attending remotely. Uh, I have some questions

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for staff if, uh, they'd be available to answer those for

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me. Yes, sir.

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okay. Uh, I by the way, I'm sorry, who am I speaking with?

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you have, uh, amy million community development director stepping up to the

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lectern. Great, thank you. Good evening, amy.

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evening. Uh, I would like to ask, uh,

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uh, about the or running statement, um, as it is

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at the moment, uh, what happens with it once we're done with

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it this evening? Where does it go? Uh,

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from a planning perspective? It goes into the, to the project file. John, is there

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a legal place it needs to go? Uh,

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no. It doesn't get filed anywhere o other than the planning files. It's

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a decision, it's a statement that's made when a decision is made and, um,

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they, you know, just part of the city's records at that point. Thank you. I wasn't sure if it

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needed to go back to the court or anything. I appreciate it. Well, technically

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we will be reporting back to the court on our compliance with the writ. So there we

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will be, if, if, if the council does adopt the statement of overriding considerations tonight,

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we will indicate to the court that we have adopt that the council did readopt the

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statement of overriding considerations. Okay.

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uh, thank you, john, for that, for the affirmation. Uh,

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therefore, I, I'm gonna take this, these, these

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questions quite seriously since they are in compliance to an action requested

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by the court. Uh, so amy, I'm going to step into

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one procedural question and, and actually, I'm sorry, maybe this will go to john.

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uh, so, uh, hold, hold, hold, hold tight. Amy , if you don't mind. So, uh, um,

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city attorney, uh, barker the statement,

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um, as it stands, uh, or, or the process around, around

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the statement, we don't have the litigant appealing

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anything at this point. Correct. And, and I'm, I, I understand this might be a, a point

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of, uh, confidentiality, so please tell me if, if I'm overstepping.

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no, uh, I, I don't have any awareness of whether the applicant or I'm

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sorry, the, the, the, the a the litig against plan to appeal

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or not. Um, the, um,

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what we have is a court decision and, uh, what's in

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front of you is, uh, staff's proposal to comply with the court decision

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and report back to the court. Um, I, I don't, I don't have any information

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about the other side, the other, the litigant's perspective on this.

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I'm assuming that, that they would, uh, agree with us complying

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with the court order. Okay, very good. Then, um,

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as a matter of course, and just because I'm asking this question in public, it's, it's a

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procedural point that we are operating in compliance to the court

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order. Uh, very good. Thank you. Um, then thank you, uh,

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john. I appreciate it. I'll, I'll jump over back to, to amy. Uh,

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so amy, I'm gonna go over some of the benefits that were noted, which

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I think, by the way, very well written, very well articulated.

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I I really like how we, we've pinpointed, um, some

451
00:36:16,235 --> 00:36:20,215
key wins for the city. Um, so let me, let me

452
00:36:20,515 --> 00:36:24,435
ask the, for the first benefit that we have, which is the build of 238

453
00:36:25,735 --> 00:36:29,535
units, um, really quickly, uh, these 238

454
00:36:30,135 --> 00:36:33,935
units, they're single family homes or they, they town homes. What's the,

455
00:36:34,205 --> 00:36:37,835
like, potential average, um, uh, uh,

456
00:36:38,695 --> 00:36:42,455
habitability or, or how many, how many family members would live in this, in these 230

457
00:36:42,935 --> 00:36:46,925
units? Uh, well, I think the

458
00:36:47,045 --> 00:36:50,465
mul technically the multiplier in the general plan, which is we average, I think it's 2.7

459
00:36:51,905 --> 00:36:54,865
people per unit. Uh, so

460
00:36:56,355 --> 00:37:00,125
I would like to pretend I'm on math whiz, but I'm not. So 2.7 times 238 would

461
00:37:00,475 --> 00:37:04,315
be tech, the technical number out of the general plan. Um, you know, we anticipate

462
00:37:04,875 --> 00:37:08,715
them to be, whether you call them attached single family or town

463
00:37:08,915 --> 00:37:12,875
homes, it's that, uh, typical multi-family sort of row town

464
00:37:13,155 --> 00:37:16,935
product that you see in, in eastern dublin. Thank you, amy.

465
00:37:17,335 --> 00:37:20,975
I did the math really quick. Um, great. So I guess the benefit of being remote is I could have a calculator

466
00:37:21,355 --> 00:37:25,315
mm-hmm . Uh, 642.6, um,

467
00:37:25,975 --> 00:37:29,835
possible extra lives we could be helping with 230 units. So,

468
00:37:30,515 --> 00:37:34,335
uh, good benefit there. Uh, the next benefit I'd like to

469
00:37:34,715 --> 00:37:38,715
ask about, uh, because we are in fact gonna be presenting this to the

470
00:37:38,935 --> 00:37:42,705
court, which is on our rena goal. So could

471
00:37:43,055 --> 00:37:46,935
you tell me, um, of our total rena

472
00:37:48,195 --> 00:37:50,775
target or the number that we were given by the state of california,

473
00:37:52,285 --> 00:37:55,375
what percentage does 238 equate to,

474
00:37:57,955 --> 00:38:00,295
or what does it fulfill in terms of our arena achievement?

475
00:38:02,335 --> 00:38:05,695
I, I'm gonna be honest, I don't remember the number off the top of my head. I think it was,

476
00:38:07,005 --> 00:38:10,545
yeah, I mean, it was, I wanna say it was somewhere between three and four,

477
00:38:11,065 --> 00:38:14,965
I believe. So it's, uh, less, it's somewhere between five and

478
00:38:15,125 --> 00:38:19,045
10% would be my guess. Uh, that, yeah, that would

479
00:38:19,165 --> 00:38:22,755
be my guess, based on my memory of what the actual numbers were. Okay.

480
00:38:23,505 --> 00:38:26,175
so material, it sounds to me. Okay.

481
00:38:28,245 --> 00:38:31,425
all right. Um, and,

482
00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:36,005
uh, let, let me be the opposing

483
00:38:36,795 --> 00:38:40,555
opinion at the moment, which is for five to 10%

484
00:38:41,885 --> 00:38:45,835
potential achievement against arena target. If this

485
00:38:46,425 --> 00:38:50,395
did not get passed tonight, what is the implication of that towards

486
00:38:50,885 --> 00:38:52,685
our future achievement of arena target?

487
00:38:54,915 --> 00:38:58,575
so, not passing this tonight, in my opinion, doesn't have any,

488
00:38:59,275 --> 00:39:03,235
uh, substantial change to that rena contribution. John, can you speak to the

489
00:39:03,455 --> 00:39:05,375
legal ramifications of not passing this tonight?

490
00:39:07,655 --> 00:39:11,635
uh, well, um, there's a court order that's instructed us

491
00:39:11,835 --> 00:39:15,795
to adopt this statement of overriding considerations. If we don't do it, it

492
00:39:15,995 --> 00:39:19,915
could potentially invalidate the project we've already adopt. You know, the council already approved

493
00:39:20,215 --> 00:39:23,535
the project and subsequently, of course, ordered us to

494
00:39:24,485 --> 00:39:28,185
adopt a statement of overriding considerations. So if we elected not to proceed

495
00:39:28,675 --> 00:39:32,675
with adopting a statement of overriding considerations, we'd have probably a

496
00:39:32,795 --> 00:39:36,615
dispute with the applicant. Okay. Uh,

497
00:39:36,835 --> 00:39:40,775
thank you, john, for the procedure. Just again, trying to make sure we have the,

498
00:39:41,135 --> 00:39:45,025
the clarification around process. Um, uh,

499
00:39:45,265 --> 00:39:49,195
amy, uh, I'm going to rattle off some of the other benefits, which again, were awesome.

500
00:39:50,225 --> 00:39:54,025
so, 3.2 million, um, potential, uh, square

501
00:39:54,445 --> 00:39:58,165
footage for office space, 7.2 acres for parks and community,

502
00:39:58,945 --> 00:40:02,005
um, uh, projects. We have a wetlands mitigation,

503
00:40:02,985 --> 00:40:06,965
uh, there's more to it. Um, these are, again, without sounding like a

504
00:40:07,085 --> 00:40:11,005
broken record, really amazing. Uh, but I did notice that, you know, again, this

505
00:40:11,205 --> 00:40:15,145
is a statement that we will be providing and affirming to the court. So,

506
00:40:15,785 --> 00:40:19,525
um, was there any consideration for a benefit to public

507
00:40:19,805 --> 00:40:23,515
safety? Yeah, so

508
00:40:23,815 --> 00:40:27,815
I think the key part about just take, just taking a step back before

509
00:40:28,055 --> 00:40:32,035
we answer that question. I think the key piece of cqa, which, um,

510
00:40:32,865 --> 00:40:36,855
might, might be missing here, is that the purpose of ceq is

511
00:40:37,015 --> 00:40:40,695
to disclose impacts, right? So you're disclosing all of your environmental impacts,

512
00:40:41,095 --> 00:40:44,975
you go through the checklist and you look at what environmental impacts are associated with

513
00:40:45,175 --> 00:40:48,435
this project. When you find that there is a significant unavoidable impact,

514
00:40:49,965 --> 00:40:53,845
then before you approve a project, you have to approve

515
00:40:54,495 --> 00:40:58,015
a statement of overriding consideration. Because the purpose of cqa

516
00:40:58,675 --> 00:41:02,535
is not necessarily to be able to mitigate every single impact down

517
00:41:02,775 --> 00:41:06,095
to less significant, significant, right? Some projects just have impacts.

518
00:41:06,875 --> 00:41:10,735
and so the purpose of the statement of overriding consideration is to acknowledge

519
00:41:11,365 --> 00:41:15,065
that some projects have impacts, but the project has a benefit, right?

520
00:41:15,755 --> 00:41:18,975
so we are taking this very thoughtful

521
00:41:19,935 --> 00:41:23,535
consideration and saying, okay, there is a, we are making a statement

522
00:41:23,955 --> 00:41:27,955
to override those impacts because we acknowledge, uh, the

523
00:41:28,495 --> 00:41:32,375
benefits of the project. So that's sort of the foundation in which all of this is

524
00:41:32,575 --> 00:41:36,405
even happening, right? So procedurally, the court said you

525
00:41:36,605 --> 00:41:40,525
needed to do this again at the time that we approved the project.

526
00:41:41,225 --> 00:41:45,165
so from a public safety perspective, all of

527
00:41:45,325 --> 00:41:49,165
that is analyzed in the environmental document. We have to do consistency with the general

528
00:41:49,475 --> 00:41:53,445
plan. And then outside of that, there's also the

529
00:41:53,645 --> 00:41:57,495
coordination with the public safety, the fire public works, right? Everyone takes

530
00:41:58,335 --> 00:42:02,125
their review of a project. So, you know, depending on

531
00:42:02,445 --> 00:42:05,525
specifically what you're thinking of, there's many, many aspects to public safety

532
00:42:06,465 --> 00:42:10,005
and many areas of the project review process

533
00:42:10,705 --> 00:42:14,445
of the sqa process in which public safety is looked at, considered

534
00:42:15,115 --> 00:42:18,645
addressed through the process. Does that make sense?

535
00:42:20,195 --> 00:42:24,135
that's great. Uh, can you gimme an example of where public safety would be

536
00:42:24,255 --> 00:42:27,975
addressed in a sqa review? Uh, sure. So,

537
00:42:28,895 --> 00:42:32,185
um, transportation is one of them, right? Do you have

538
00:42:32,945 --> 00:42:36,585
appropriate access and circulation? Um, fire impacts,

539
00:42:37,295 --> 00:42:40,095
for example, uh, you have to look at, um,

540
00:42:41,335 --> 00:42:45,115
uh, impacts to water resources. You have to,

541
00:42:46,255 --> 00:42:50,155
um, seismic, uh, is one of them,

542
00:42:50,615 --> 00:42:54,555
uh, geological, uh, noise, right? All of

543
00:42:54,675 --> 00:42:58,375
these really fundamentally come back to, uh, public

544
00:42:59,175 --> 00:43:03,155
safety and welfare, right? All, you know, you can kind of draw a line to almost everything that

545
00:43:03,275 --> 00:43:07,195
we do on a regular basis. And every portion of a project

546
00:43:07,355 --> 00:43:11,145
review or a sql review all comes back to, uh, sort

547
00:43:11,435 --> 00:43:15,215
of, you know, the purpose of why we are here, right? Which is public

548
00:43:15,655 --> 00:43:19,475
safety, healthy, and well, health and welfare. Okay. Um,

549
00:43:19,765 --> 00:43:23,395
very good. Thank you. Uh, again, I'm, I'm simply asking, because if you're

550
00:43:23,815 --> 00:43:27,315
asking me to put my name on this, I wanna make sure I have, I get it right. Um,

551
00:43:28,195 --> 00:43:31,815
the next benefit I want to ask about is the dublin boulevard extension.

552
00:43:33,685 --> 00:43:36,405
so with this, um,

553
00:43:38,365 --> 00:43:41,315
statement, um, what benefit does it give to

554
00:43:42,395 --> 00:43:45,295
the extension and does it add any funding to the extension?

555
00:43:47,475 --> 00:43:51,115
uh, so one of the things that the project does is part of the

556
00:43:51,735 --> 00:43:55,695
entitlement is that it dedicates the entirety of the double boulevard extension through the project.

557
00:43:56,675 --> 00:44:00,595
so without a project, uh, you have to get the rights

558
00:44:01,075 --> 00:44:04,555
to that property in a different way, right? Whether it be imminent domain or

559
00:44:05,095 --> 00:44:09,015
some other process. So when you have a developer who's willing to come to the table

560
00:44:09,765 --> 00:44:13,735
with a map, also requesting a development agreement, then you can show

561
00:44:13,975 --> 00:44:17,615
that dedication on the map and the development agreement, which is included in this project.

562
00:44:19,395 --> 00:44:23,275
oh, okay. That's great. Uh, uh, when you say the entirety of

563
00:44:23,955 --> 00:44:26,865
the dublin boulevard extension, am I

564
00:44:28,185 --> 00:44:32,145
mistaken then to assume that the developer would go all

565
00:44:32,365 --> 00:44:36,325
the way to the livermore city line? I'm sorry.

566
00:44:36,565 --> 00:44:40,285
I thought that I had said the entirety through the project site. Uh, maybe I

567
00:44:40,645 --> 00:44:44,645
mentally said that, but didn't actually say that, but that's what I'm, that's what I meant to say, just

568
00:44:44,885 --> 00:44:48,545
through their project site is what they would be limited to. Got it. Thank

569
00:44:48,895 --> 00:44:52,525
you very much. Um, and then, uh, because

570
00:44:53,755 --> 00:44:56,985
the, one of the benefits sort of extended into the, into the school thing,

571
00:44:57,915 --> 00:45:01,435
um, , just entertain me for a second. Uh,

572
00:45:02,235 --> 00:45:05,435
and tell me if, if, uh, you don't have the answer, but that's okay, the,

573
00:45:06,425 --> 00:45:09,755
going over to the school side of this conversation, um,

574
00:45:10,715 --> 00:45:14,245
is there a percentage of the tax revenue that

575
00:45:15,265 --> 00:45:19,135
would be going to a new school? Uh, am I, I mean, considering that there

576
00:45:19,335 --> 00:45:20,915
are potentially 642.6

577
00:45:24,035 --> 00:45:27,965
new lives coming online here, um, that's a kind

578
00:45:28,255 --> 00:45:31,315
of a material number for potentially children too.

579
00:45:33,405 --> 00:45:37,375
yeah. So it seems like there might be somebody who wants to respond. The only thing that I will

580
00:45:37,555 --> 00:45:41,535
say, uh, commissioner mar or councilman marada, is that there are school impact

581
00:45:41,855 --> 00:45:45,815
fees associated when you pull building permits for residential units. They're actually impact fees

582
00:45:46,015 --> 00:45:49,835
when you pull them for commercial as well. They're just substantially less. So, uh,

583
00:45:50,355 --> 00:45:54,215
as they pull the building permits, they will pay the school impact fees. Is there something else you

584
00:45:54,415 --> 00:45:58,165
wanted to add? The school district gets about the same amount

585
00:45:58,445 --> 00:46:02,105
of property tax that, uh, the city does council member. So

586
00:46:03,065 --> 00:46:06,985
any development that pays property tax is gonna contribute, uh, to school

587
00:46:07,405 --> 00:46:11,405
revenue. Okay. Very nice. Again, I'm, I'm

588
00:46:11,625 --> 00:46:15,445
elated with the, the benefits to the city. Um, and then just in, in

589
00:46:15,665 --> 00:46:19,605
closing, amy, if I may, just because I'm, I'm very conservative in, in

590
00:46:20,045 --> 00:46:23,905
my assessment or, or let's, let's say me putting my name on something that

591
00:46:24,065 --> 00:46:27,845
goes to a court. Um, what are the potential risks associated to

592
00:46:28,435 --> 00:46:32,385
these overriding considerations as a statement that will go to the alameda

593
00:46:32,825 --> 00:46:32,945
superior court?

594
00:46:37,575 --> 00:46:41,575
I, uh, council member marda, I don't, I don't believe there are any risks associated with

595
00:46:42,255 --> 00:46:45,975
adopting the statement of overriding considerations. This is just, uh, a procedural process

596
00:46:46,445 --> 00:46:50,255
that the court asked us to proceed with. Um, I think the risk would occur

597
00:46:50,635 --> 00:46:54,495
if we chose not to proceed with adopting the statement of overriding considerations,

598
00:46:54,875 --> 00:46:58,275
and then we might face a dispute with the, with the applicant. Um,

599
00:46:59,215 --> 00:47:02,935
I, I, I just wanna make one thing clear to you that the court asked us to adopt the statement

600
00:47:03,295 --> 00:47:07,135
of overriding considerations. The court's not gonna review the statement of overriding

601
00:47:07,815 --> 00:47:11,485
considerations. The court's just gonna confirm that we, that

602
00:47:11,835 --> 00:47:15,815
you made the policy decision to adopt the statement of overriding considerations. That's all

603
00:47:15,895 --> 00:47:19,285
the court's seeking from us. Okay. Uh, good distinction.

604
00:47:19,975 --> 00:47:23,805
thank you, john. Uh, amy, no further questions. I appreciate

605
00:47:24,165 --> 00:47:27,705
your time. Uh, mayor, I hand it back to you. Thank you. Um,

606
00:47:28,335 --> 00:47:32,165
quick question. You have one more question? Yeah. Okay, go ahead. Just one very quick question.

607
00:47:32,385 --> 00:47:35,925
um, you mentioned, uh, sharing, you know, the, our compliance

608
00:47:36,395 --> 00:47:40,345
with, with the court. How is this communicated with either, uh, you know, the

609
00:47:41,285 --> 00:47:45,125
readopting and, and reaffirming this, um, statement of overriding considerations? Is that given back

610
00:47:45,405 --> 00:47:49,325
to the community, future residents, current residents? How, how is that communicated

611
00:47:49,665 --> 00:47:53,485
out? Uh, well, this council meeting is, is really the only communication we're

612
00:47:53,725 --> 00:47:57,605
gonna have with the public about, about the statement of overriding considerations, that that's, that's how

613
00:47:58,265 --> 00:48:01,995
the process works. And then there's a return to the writ where we, uh, just

614
00:48:02,475 --> 00:48:06,365
file a pleading in court and say, your honor, we comply with the writ by doing

615
00:48:06,645 --> 00:48:10,445
x, y, and z. Uh, we file that. And, um, if the other side

616
00:48:10,685 --> 00:48:14,585
wants to say, oh, you didn't do that, or challenge it in some way, they can do that. But it,

617
00:48:14,925 --> 00:48:18,845
I think that'll be the end of it. We file it and, and the ca case will be resolved.

618
00:48:20,455 --> 00:48:24,425
perfect. Thank you. Go ahead. Just ask a quick follow up question. Um, we

619
00:48:24,645 --> 00:48:28,405
are not adopting new statements of overriding consideration tonight. Correct. We are

620
00:48:28,805 --> 00:48:31,485
reaffirming statements of overriding consideration that were already

621
00:48:32,885 --> 00:48:36,405
approved in subsequent or in pri prior sqa reviews.

622
00:48:37,235 --> 00:48:41,085
that is correct. Through eastern, eastern double specific plan, uh, et cetera, et cetera. Correct? Yeah. We kind

623
00:48:41,285 --> 00:48:45,085
of lost that point in the course of all the, all the questions that came up. But basically what

624
00:48:45,605 --> 00:48:49,265
happened is tradition. So, so in 1995 or

625
00:48:49,765 --> 00:48:53,515
1994, when the, when the city council adopted the eastern dublin specific plan,

626
00:48:54,465 --> 00:48:58,325
um, there were a number of impacts, uh, that that couldn't be mitigated.

627
00:48:58,945 --> 00:49:02,485
and so the council at that time was required to adopt a statement of overriding

628
00:49:03,285 --> 00:49:07,245
considerations, and did, and we've relied on that statement of overriding considerations

629
00:49:07,675 --> 00:49:11,615
ever since. And, uh, the, the petitioners in this particular

630
00:49:12,085 --> 00:49:15,235
case challenged that, and asserted that we're required to

631
00:49:16,375 --> 00:49:20,225
reconsider and readopt those, uh, statements of overriding considerations every

632
00:49:20,645 --> 00:49:24,415
time we approve a project, when we're relying on the old, or the,

633
00:49:24,855 --> 00:49:28,295
I, sorry, I should never say old eir, the, the 1995

634
00:49:28,975 --> 00:49:32,315
eir. Um, uh, and it is,

635
00:49:33,155 --> 00:49:37,115
uh, a procedural matter that we have to do that. But what we were really doing is

636
00:49:37,565 --> 00:49:41,475
sort of ratifying what the council's done in the past. And

637
00:49:42,155 --> 00:49:45,655
in, in this particular case, we, we, the, the statement of overrun

638
00:49:46,255 --> 00:49:50,215
considerations is basically what we did before, but we tailored it ever so slightly to focus

639
00:49:50,475 --> 00:49:54,415
on, on what's involved in this particular project. Okay. And, um, we've looked at it

640
00:49:54,535 --> 00:49:58,435
more than just 1995, correct those statements. We've looked at 'em

641
00:49:58,565 --> 00:50:02,275
since 1995. Right. We reconsider them every time and make sure there's

642
00:50:02,595 --> 00:50:06,155
no additional impacts and everything's within the scope of the original

643
00:50:06,655 --> 00:50:10,555
im, uh, the impacts that were considered previously. So that's something we

644
00:50:11,155 --> 00:50:15,035
evaluate. Every project we consider, we review the checklist and make

645
00:50:15,235 --> 00:50:19,075
sure that, uh, there isn't any impacts that haven't previously been considered. Perfect.

646
00:50:19,515 --> 00:50:23,365
thank you more. No, that's it. Happy to make any more

647
00:50:23,605 --> 00:50:27,475
comments. So we have two, um, public comments, um, speaker slips on this item. So

648
00:50:27,695 --> 00:50:29,905
the first one here is here in the chamber, and that's tom evans.

649
00:50:39,375 --> 00:50:43,345
good evening mayor council and the staff. I'm tom evans, longtime

650
00:50:44,065 --> 00:50:47,705
resident. Um, I don't have a problem with a statement

651
00:50:48,105 --> 00:50:51,855
of considerations, but the way it's

652
00:50:52,145 --> 00:50:56,105
written, I'm not particularly comfortable with it, starts out saying the city

653
00:50:56,345 --> 00:51:00,145
council has prepared the following statement. And I'm curious if that's

654
00:51:00,465 --> 00:51:04,305
true. Did the five of you get together and hammer the statement

655
00:51:04,725 --> 00:51:08,665
out? Or was it prepared by staff and you're approving it? And if you were just

656
00:51:08,905 --> 00:51:12,445
approving it, it might be nice to change that word. Um,

657
00:51:13,255 --> 00:51:16,925
there's a few benefits, and of course, it's up to the council to decide whether the

658
00:51:17,345 --> 00:51:21,265
benefits outweigh the, uh, impacts. Well, actually, that was already

659
00:51:21,385 --> 00:51:25,005
done as council member josie pointed out. Um, but

660
00:51:26,375 --> 00:51:30,265
some of these that, that have been brought up just far, not benefits, I mean, a

661
00:51:30,385 --> 00:51:34,105
benefit would be okay, might provide more jobs. That's a good thing, provides

662
00:51:34,665 --> 00:51:38,425
revenue for the city, those, that's a benefit. Uh, parks and such

663
00:51:39,265 --> 00:51:42,655
benefits, I could see all those. But stuff like, um, development

664
00:51:43,345 --> 00:51:47,005
of 126 acres of commercial and,

665
00:51:47,365 --> 00:51:51,235
uh, well complete development on the last remaining undeveloped portions

666
00:51:51,695 --> 00:51:55,635
in eastern dublin. I don't see

667
00:51:55,755 --> 00:51:59,375
how that's a benefit. If you're saying we had vacant

668
00:51:59,905 --> 00:52:02,865
land and now we've filled it up, isn't that great? It's,

669
00:52:04,035 --> 00:52:07,955
I don't see the benefit. In fact, if anything, it's probably not nice,

670
00:52:08,415 --> 00:52:12,415
uh, to look at as, as the rolling hills are. But again, it's just not a benefit. So

671
00:52:12,635 --> 00:52:16,375
it shouldn't be in there. Uh, roadway improvements, dublin

672
00:52:16,795 --> 00:52:20,775
boulevard, you know, if, uh, if dublin still has to pay for dublin

673
00:52:21,195 --> 00:52:25,115
boulevard, I don't see how this project is providing a benefit.

674
00:52:27,035 --> 00:52:31,015
um, streetscape, this one, I, I just can't get over.

675
00:52:32,085 --> 00:52:36,055
they're gonna provide curbs, gutters, sidewalks, and landscaping.

676
00:52:37,575 --> 00:52:41,125
I mean, I, I, I think I have to dig pretty deep to pull that into

677
00:52:42,175 --> 00:52:46,095
a benefit. Um, marina, uh,

678
00:52:46,545 --> 00:52:50,155
this says it helps with reina. I disagree. Uh, uh,

679
00:52:50,655 --> 00:52:54,065
we don't have any trouble filling the market rate

680
00:52:54,795 --> 00:52:58,795
requirements for reina. That's easy. It's the, you know, if

681
00:52:58,955 --> 00:53:02,745
this was providing significant low cost housing, then

682
00:53:03,035 --> 00:53:06,755
yeah, then, then you're helping out with rena. But I don't think this project

683
00:53:07,215 --> 00:53:10,395
is, I haven't heard any, seen any, uh, low cost housing,

684
00:53:12,215 --> 00:53:16,085
um, further urbanization

685
00:53:17,065 --> 00:53:19,825
of eastern dublin as planned by the city. Um,

686
00:53:21,445 --> 00:53:25,365
I don't know. Why is that a benefit? You know, just, just the fact that you're

687
00:53:25,605 --> 00:53:29,455
doing it, that's, it's not a benefit, uh, contribute

688
00:53:30,135 --> 00:53:33,245
funds to construct schools, parks, and other community facilities.

689
00:53:34,755 --> 00:53:36,835
well, how much are they contributing? Uh,

690
00:53:39,375 --> 00:53:43,265
historically, the school districts come up short. You know, you, you get

691
00:53:43,425 --> 00:53:47,385
so much per student, but they have to build, uh, buildings to accommodate them

692
00:53:47,725 --> 00:53:51,405
to me. Tom is, you are over time. I'm out of time. Yeah, you are over.

693
00:53:51,875 --> 00:53:55,665
yeah. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks so much. And

694
00:53:55,885 --> 00:53:58,205
mayor, the next speaker is on zoom, and it's shirley lewandowski.

695
00:54:01,605 --> 00:54:05,365
good. Thank you, marsha. This is shirley. Loki.

696
00:54:05,655 --> 00:54:09,455
good evening. I'm a longtime dublin resident. Good evening mayor. Council members

697
00:54:09,875 --> 00:54:13,415
and staff, you are being asked to adopt the six page writeup

698
00:54:13,915 --> 00:54:17,175
by staff on the dublin fallon gh bpa five 80 project

699
00:54:18,045 --> 00:54:21,475
regarding statements of overrun in considerations in order to comply

700
00:54:22,285 --> 00:54:25,175
with the alameda county superior court's writ from november 19th, 2025,

701
00:54:27,595 --> 00:54:30,935
to provide a new and more clarifying statement of overriding

702
00:54:31,735 --> 00:54:34,015
consideration. This writeup doesn't clearly

703
00:54:35,745 --> 00:54:39,735
state the reasons for overriding the environmental impacts. It refers to a lot of

704
00:54:39,855 --> 00:54:43,695
generalities, repetitive rhetoric and references, the older

705
00:54:44,255 --> 00:54:48,215
document. So my questions are, if a public is just reading the

706
00:54:48,435 --> 00:54:52,075
six page document, do they even know what the benefits are to override

707
00:54:52,595 --> 00:54:56,395
the negative impacts? I don't see it from this writeup. As

708
00:54:56,615 --> 00:55:00,495
the alameda county superior court reviewed and approved it, apparently a writ has

709
00:55:00,655 --> 00:55:04,575
to go back to the court. And I can't believe the court will not review it,

710
00:55:04,995 --> 00:55:08,895
and may probably have other comments. Has the company who filed

711
00:55:09,215 --> 00:55:12,615
a lawsuit, king kingswood owners association, reviewed and approved it?

712
00:55:13,285 --> 00:55:17,165
they as a filing, uh, applicant for this lawsuit. They

713
00:55:17,455 --> 00:55:21,335
have a right to review it, and I'm sure they would wanna make a comment whether or not

714
00:55:21,495 --> 00:55:25,485
they agreed that the city has fulfilled what the court had asked. Has

715
00:55:25,705 --> 00:55:29,305
this project received all the appropriate agency permits to move it forward,

716
00:55:29,935 --> 00:55:33,465
such as the us army corps of engineers, fish and wildlife, et cetera?

717
00:55:34,485 --> 00:55:38,305
where can I find data, real data information where the city has monitored

718
00:55:39,335 --> 00:55:42,675
and prove statements of overriding considerations from past projects,

719
00:55:43,905 --> 00:55:47,825
past development projects that have proven the benefits they claim then

720
00:55:48,505 --> 00:55:52,115
have outweighed the negative impacts? Is that information available?

721
00:55:53,195 --> 00:55:57,045
I would appreciate responses to my questions as you further deliberate. Thank

722
00:55:57,395 --> 00:56:00,065
you. Thank you.

723
00:56:02,435 --> 00:56:06,415
I have no more speaker slips on the side. Thank you. So, um, let's come back to,

724
00:56:07,295 --> 00:56:09,795
to this 5.7. Any more comments about 5.7?

725
00:56:11,335 --> 00:56:15,315
no. Okay. So, uh, we, we have, this is a

726
00:56:16,355 --> 00:56:19,875
constant canada, so we have a 5.2, 5.4, and the 5.7

727
00:56:21,295 --> 00:56:24,705
we need to, um, vote on. So,

728
00:56:25,865 --> 00:56:29,085
uh, I want to say, do we want to vote each of them separately?

729
00:56:31,425 --> 00:56:35,345
actually, something just, I thought, what, 5.7? Yeah, five seven. Okay. Just to sort come back

730
00:56:35,575 --> 00:56:38,065
5.7 for john, um, there seems to be

731
00:56:40,565 --> 00:56:44,145
this document, uh, is there a,

732
00:56:45,405 --> 00:56:49,205
uh, consideration or could there be a consideration for reviewing the, the, the,

733
00:56:50,045 --> 00:56:54,005
the wording and assessing what those benefits are? And

734
00:56:54,245 --> 00:56:57,785
to clarify? Well, yeah, I mean, the, the council could certainly

735
00:56:58,395 --> 00:57:02,305
alter the statement of overriding considerations if it

736
00:57:02,505 --> 00:57:06,385
chose to. I mean, these are, these are, these are your statements of overriding

737
00:57:07,065 --> 00:57:10,905
considerations. The thing I would, I would remind the council about is this

738
00:57:11,505 --> 00:57:15,025
document is based on the original statement of overriding

739
00:57:15,665 --> 00:57:19,485
considerations from 19 95, 19 94, actually. And so

740
00:57:20,095 --> 00:57:23,085
it's just been tailored to focus on the project. Um,

741
00:57:24,725 --> 00:57:28,585
it, this is, is a procedural matter, but if the council

742
00:57:28,885 --> 00:57:32,665
has concerns about the statement, it they could cer it could certainly be altered.

743
00:57:33,485 --> 00:57:37,385
the, at the end of the day, the question is whether or not

744
00:57:37,885 --> 00:57:41,805
the council believes that the project, uh, the

745
00:57:42,265 --> 00:57:45,995
benefits of the project outweigh the environmental impacts that, uh, can't

746
00:57:46,345 --> 00:57:46,425
be mitigated.

747
00:57:51,215 --> 00:57:54,975
I mean, there are a number of benefits articulated in the statement of overriding

748
00:57:55,615 --> 00:57:58,775
considerations. I heard, I heard some, um, members of the public,

749
00:57:59,795 --> 00:58:03,695
um, indicating that, that they found some of the, some of

750
00:58:03,815 --> 00:58:07,815
the statements that are listed, uh, not to be benefits or not to

751
00:58:07,935 --> 00:58:11,605
be that significant, but I didn't hear anyone say that, that

752
00:58:12,075 --> 00:58:15,855
all of the benefits together didn't, didn't override the, the environmental impact.

753
00:58:16,355 --> 00:58:19,875
so I, I don't know. I think that's a judgment for the council. Ultimately it,

754
00:58:21,085 --> 00:58:24,895
okay. Uh, I just wanna make sure that it's

755
00:58:25,175 --> 00:58:28,935
not, and, and this is my, my wording, that we're not just taking a document

756
00:58:29,675 --> 00:58:33,415
and repeating it, and that we are, um, for procedural

757
00:58:33,735 --> 00:58:37,495
matter, and that we are actually looking at how we're saying and how

758
00:58:37,775 --> 00:58:41,655
we're phrasing, and to be clear with what, um, what those

759
00:58:42,055 --> 00:58:46,015
benefits are. And that's the only reason I'm bringing this up, is if there is

760
00:58:46,175 --> 00:58:50,095
not clarity, um, then is there

761
00:58:50,215 --> 00:58:54,175
any harm in tweaking it or is there some kind of a, uh, issue with doing that?

762
00:58:54,475 --> 00:58:58,455
I'm not gonna get, you know, pull up, go down a hole

763
00:58:58,615 --> 00:59:02,535
here. I just want to see if there's a way to look at this document and say, hey, you

764
00:59:02,735 --> 00:59:05,695
know, okay, maybe we weren't so clear on this.

765
00:59:07,275 --> 00:59:11,245
uh, maybe we could elaborate on this. Uh, that's my only question, just

766
00:59:11,535 --> 00:59:14,935
to be clear and trans a little more transparent. If, if that is the will,

767
00:59:15,875 --> 00:59:19,055
uh, or, or there, is there any issue with, with doing that

768
00:59:20,605 --> 00:59:24,545
there's no legal issue with, with, um, making some changes

769
00:59:24,925 --> 00:59:28,025
or clarification to the, to the statement? If that's the counsel's desire?

770
00:59:29,545 --> 00:59:33,405
um, I would, I would like, uh,

771
00:59:33,625 --> 00:59:37,585
another re uh, another look at that. Um, if it

772
00:59:37,745 --> 00:59:41,625
doesn't need to be done tonight, um, I, I'm not, you know, I'm just throwing this

773
00:59:41,825 --> 00:59:45,785
out here for, for thoughts here. Uh, and if you have, I'd like to

774
00:59:45,905 --> 00:59:49,865
hear the rest of you. What are you thinking? What, what are the consequences of not doing this tonight?

775
00:59:50,255 --> 00:59:54,045
what, what did the court ask us to do? Uh,

776
00:59:54,265 --> 00:59:58,225
well, we have to return to the court. Um, but we, we do have time. We could, we could bring it

777
00:59:58,505 --> 01:00:02,365
back at the next meeting. Um, you know, it, it, so,

778
01:00:02,765 --> 01:00:06,745
so we do have time to revise it. And how much staff work is that

779
01:00:06,925 --> 01:00:10,725
to revise it based on direction that you haven't yet gotten? I understand you

780
01:00:10,945 --> 01:00:14,045
may get direction of specific changes you want, but

781
01:00:15,005 --> 01:00:18,735
for us to say, we're not gonna do this tonight, please take another

782
01:00:19,225 --> 01:00:23,225
swing at this and bring it back to us without specific direction. Well, we

783
01:00:23,345 --> 01:00:27,085
did hear some comments from the public tonight, so we'd evaluate, uh, the,

784
01:00:27,405 --> 01:00:30,585
the statement in light of those comments and any other direction you gave us.

785
01:00:31,545 --> 01:00:35,185
I don't know. It's, it's a, a little, it's, it's some work. I think the applicant's

786
01:00:35,745 --> 01:00:39,625
gonna end up paying for it. So it's not gonna, it's not gonna cost the city

787
01:00:39,865 --> 01:00:43,785
a lot of money, but it would be, it would be some staff effort required to get it back on an agenda

788
01:00:44,085 --> 01:00:47,465
at some point. So we've heard, and, and not to minimize

789
01:00:48,405 --> 01:00:52,305
public comment, which I very much appreciate the people that come all the time, but that would've been

790
01:00:52,765 --> 01:00:56,745
taking direction from the public in writing a statement of overriding considerations,

791
01:00:57,065 --> 01:01:00,625
which I don't think is probably the will of the council. I think we would, we would want to

792
01:01:01,125 --> 01:01:04,465
decide which of those comments we agreed upon and which ones we don't.

793
01:01:05,205 --> 01:01:09,105
um, and we've already discussed this project at some length

794
01:01:10,255 --> 01:01:14,045
when we approved it. Discuss the eir, uh, uh,

795
01:01:14,265 --> 01:01:18,145
the planning commission has discussed. The eir, the, um, council discussed it at

796
01:01:18,305 --> 01:01:21,705
least twice. And I, my recollection, recollection is more than twice.

797
01:01:22,725 --> 01:01:26,535
um, uh, so I, I'm not really sure what

798
01:01:26,825 --> 01:01:30,625
your purpose in rewriting them is when it's not going to

799
01:01:31,185 --> 01:01:35,185
material in, I mean, I'm not, I don't if necessarily disagree with it's material or not. I don't necessarily disagree

800
01:01:35,345 --> 01:01:39,185
with you. I'm just not really sure what the purpose would be at this point. 'cause it's not gonna change

801
01:01:39,685 --> 01:01:43,305
the project. It's not gonna change whether the project goes forward.

802
01:01:44,405 --> 01:01:48,205
um, and to, uh, council member mcc, I'm sorry, council member, uh,

803
01:01:48,455 --> 01:01:52,345
cadre's point these two meetings. If, if in

804
01:01:52,505 --> 01:01:56,385
fact it becomes two meetings are the points at which we are going to communicate this

805
01:01:56,585 --> 01:02:00,055
out to the public. So it's not gonna go, it's not like we're gonna then publish them

806
01:02:00,675 --> 01:02:04,325
other than in the project file and then mail them out to the

807
01:02:04,745 --> 01:02:08,705
residents mm-hmm . Um, for, you know, new statements. So personally, I don't

808
01:02:08,945 --> 01:02:12,905
really see the point of going down that road when we've already sort of made

809
01:02:13,145 --> 01:02:17,145
the statements of over in consideration. And so I, I'm not really sure why we, we need to have

810
01:02:17,185 --> 01:02:20,365
a van coming back. I guess my point is, um, are we just,

811
01:02:21,425 --> 01:02:25,285
uh, through routine just cutting and pasting something and not paying attention to

812
01:02:25,485 --> 01:02:29,265
how we're saying it? So it's more of how we're saying it than, uh,

813
01:02:29,505 --> 01:02:33,485
the fact that, hey, it all says the same thing. It really doesn't matter. So I, I, I think

814
01:02:33,645 --> 01:02:37,645
all I'm saying is if we wanna be clear in our documents,

815
01:02:38,785 --> 01:02:42,485
uh, and uh, then, uh, maybe we should take another look at this. That's

816
01:02:42,885 --> 01:02:46,885
all. And I don't think it's a, a big deal. It's a big ask. That's all. That's

817
01:02:47,285 --> 01:02:51,085
all it is. Yeah. I don't, I don't think it's a t terribly huge ask either. Yeah. But I don't think wordsmithing

818
01:02:51,645 --> 01:02:54,285
is gonna change much, and I'm comfortable with, with it the way it is.

819
01:02:57,495 --> 01:03:01,435
you're fine. Okay. I'll see. So I'm sure it could

820
01:03:01,515 --> 01:03:04,795
be wordsmithed and improved. Uh, perhaps we give direction to

821
01:03:05,725 --> 01:03:09,715
staff to, you know, anytime this comes back in, in the future, they take a closer look

822
01:03:09,955 --> 01:03:13,795
at it. But I'm, I'm not sure if it has any material impact or, uh, if it, if

823
01:03:13,995 --> 01:03:17,975
it really changes anything and, and it, and

824
01:03:18,305 --> 01:03:22,095
next time we approve a project and we rely on the eastern dublin specific plan, um,

825
01:03:22,665 --> 01:03:26,555
it's likely we will be, uh, bringing back a statement of overriding considerations

826
01:03:26,975 --> 01:03:30,935
in compliance with the, the, you know, the court order doesn't apply to future projects, but,

827
01:03:31,695 --> 01:03:35,515
um, I think we've followed the direction the court gave us. So, so we will have

828
01:03:35,835 --> 01:03:38,795
an opportunity to do that, that wordsmithing you're talking about on future projects.

829
01:03:41,785 --> 01:03:45,455
so, um, so we're done discussion on this item. I agree

830
01:03:45,805 --> 01:03:49,455
with all of you. Like, uh, we can improve, but maybe

831
01:03:49,825 --> 01:03:53,805
we don't have to, um, for this scenario, because we all make a material change.

832
01:03:54,405 --> 01:03:58,305
I, I totally agree with this. So let's just, uh, make a roll call for

833
01:03:58,525 --> 01:04:02,005
each of those 5.2. Maybe we can combine 5.2

834
01:04:02,745 --> 01:04:06,605
and 5.4, um, and then 5.7 separately.

835
01:04:07,395 --> 01:04:11,245
sure. Happy to make a motion for items 5.2 and 5.4 on the consent

836
01:04:11,805 --> 01:04:14,715
calendar. Yeah. So let's, uh, vote on this. Uh, um, 5.2.

837
01:04:15,985 --> 01:04:19,905
you need a second? Yeah, I know. 5.2 and 5.4. And

838
01:04:20,125 --> 01:04:24,125
then we have a, a motion you to go second. Yeah, I second on those. We have

839
01:04:24,285 --> 01:04:28,235
a michael at second. Let's do the roll call. Council member

840
01:04:28,615 --> 01:04:32,155
marada. Aye. Council member cadre. Aye.

841
01:04:32,885 --> 01:04:36,665
council member mccarsten. Aye. Vice mayor josie. Aye. Mayor

842
01:04:37,075 --> 01:04:40,895
who, aye. Motion passes unanimously. Thank you. I make

843
01:04:41,095 --> 01:04:45,015
a second motion for item 5.7. I'll second. So we have

844
01:04:45,255 --> 01:04:48,055
a motion. I second for 5.7. Let's do the roll call

845
01:04:49,395 --> 01:04:51,915
council. Miranda abstain.

846
01:04:54,065 --> 01:04:57,765
council member cadre. Aye. Council member corsten. Yeah.

847
01:04:58,675 --> 01:05:02,315
yes. Vice mayor josie? Yes. Mayor who? Yes.

848
01:05:03,445 --> 01:05:07,395
motion passes. Board zero. Great, thank you.

849
01:05:08,015 --> 01:05:11,735
so moving on to agenda item six. Um,

850
01:05:12,175 --> 01:05:15,955
I'm sorry, mayor, did I just hear city clerk say motion passed at four to zero

851
01:05:16,255 --> 01:05:19,885
or four to one? Four to one? It's four to four to zero to one.

852
01:05:20,435 --> 01:05:24,325
what? Zero. Oh, got it. Thank you. Sorry, the abstain. Yeah, the council

853
01:05:24,525 --> 01:05:27,585
member abstain. So he didn't vote. No, he,

854
01:05:28,745 --> 01:05:31,685
he abstain. So we would, we were gonna list it accordingly in the minutes.

855
01:05:32,825 --> 01:05:36,235
okay. Yep. Sorry, my mic went out for a second. Thank you for clarification.

856
01:05:37,025 --> 01:05:41,025
okay. Thank you. So agenda item six, public

857
01:05:41,475 --> 01:05:45,115
hearing. Nine, seven. I'm finished the business nine,

858
01:05:46,105 --> 01:05:48,415
agenda eight, new business 8.1.

859
01:05:53,475 --> 01:05:57,285
good evening, honorable mayor and city council members. Jordan fos, senior management analyst. And this evening

860
01:05:57,955 --> 01:06:01,845
I'll be providing an informational report on dublin's safe and sane fireworks program.

861
01:06:02,585 --> 01:06:06,155
uh, this report is in response to a june 17th, 2025 request

862
01:06:06,675 --> 01:06:09,805
from the city council to receive an informational report on the city's program.

863
01:06:13,545 --> 01:06:17,165
so to start with some historical context. Uh, since dublin's incorporation in 1982,

864
01:06:17,945 --> 01:06:21,805
the city has been regulating fireworks over the years. The sale of safe and sane

865
01:06:22,205 --> 01:06:26,205
fireworks has been addressed through ordinance amendments by the city council, as well

866
01:06:26,365 --> 01:06:30,165
as operational policies, uh, that balance community benefit and safety compliance.

867
01:06:31,315 --> 01:06:35,165
furthermore, the sale of safe and sane fireworks has been voted on through two advisory ballot

868
01:06:35,565 --> 01:06:38,845
measures. The first in 1982 and the second in 1988,

869
01:06:39,835 --> 01:06:43,725
both ballot measures were to ban the sale of safe and sane fireworks, and both were

870
01:06:44,165 --> 01:06:47,845
defeated by the voters. In 1987, the dublin municipal code chapter

871
01:06:48,195 --> 01:06:52,125
5.24 was published, uh, incorporating various ordinances and amendments

872
01:06:52,565 --> 01:06:56,385
on the sale of safe and insane fireworks into one chapter. Uh, in

873
01:06:56,605 --> 01:07:00,365
2002, the city council at the recommendation of the city's then assigned fireworks committee

874
01:07:01,325 --> 01:07:05,265
approved the designation of four city parks for safe and sane fireworks use

875
01:07:05,585 --> 01:07:09,205
on july 4th only. I do want to note that these actions address

876
01:07:09,755 --> 01:07:13,745
safe and sane fireworks, um, and a illegal fireworks are banned by state law.

877
01:07:14,225 --> 01:07:18,185
so illegal fireworks are considered explosive and or aerial in nature, and

878
01:07:18,405 --> 01:07:22,285
it is a misdemeanor or felony to possess or discharge those anywhere unless permitted

879
01:07:22,805 --> 01:07:25,325
by a state licensed power technician, pyro technician.

880
01:07:28,935 --> 01:07:32,315
the sale of safe and same fireworks is allowed with a permit in commercial areas of the city

881
01:07:33,165 --> 01:07:37,155
based on the city's current population and regulations listed in the municipal code,

882
01:07:37,355 --> 01:07:41,115
which allow for one booth per 3000 residents, not including group quarters

883
01:07:41,595 --> 01:07:45,435
populations. Uh, it allows for up to 23 booths to be permitted.

884
01:07:46,935 --> 01:07:50,885
uh, the city does operate a lottery system when the number of applications exceed. What we allow

885
01:07:51,235 --> 01:07:54,995
for booths and for organizations that would like to apply for a sales permit,

886
01:07:55,705 --> 01:07:59,595
they must be a nonprofit with 5 0 1 c3 status. They must be based

887
01:07:59,835 --> 01:08:03,585
in dublin for at least one year, uh, and have 20 resident members. They

888
01:08:03,875 --> 01:08:07,595
must serve the dublin community, and they must have an active business license with the city.

889
01:08:08,335 --> 01:08:12,065
lastly, the sales period for safe and san fireworks, uh, runs

890
01:08:12,355 --> 01:08:15,805
from noon on june 28th to, uh, noon on june on july 5th.

891
01:08:16,595 --> 01:08:20,525
struggled to get that out. Uh, and sales take place daily during this period between

892
01:08:21,005 --> 01:08:21,805
8:00 am and 10:00 pm

893
01:08:25,485 --> 01:08:29,465
so the use of safe insane fireworks are permitted at four designated parks, which I mentioned

894
01:08:29,765 --> 01:08:33,715
on july 4th, only from 10:00 am to 10:00 pm those parks are alamo

895
01:08:34,065 --> 01:08:38,015
creek park, dublin sports grounds, emerald glen park and shannon park. Furthermore,

896
01:08:38,705 --> 01:08:42,345
the city's practice allows for the use of safe and sane fireworks in residential neighborhoods

897
01:08:42,825 --> 01:08:46,665
with single family homes, as well as commercial areas with the consent of the property owner.

898
01:08:47,455 --> 01:08:51,025
safe and sane fireworks are only allowed to be used during the designated sales period.

899
01:08:52,435 --> 01:08:56,385
again, illegal fireworks is defined by state law, are strictly prohibited at

900
01:08:56,505 --> 01:08:57,305
all times in the city.

901
01:09:01,435 --> 01:09:05,255
so dublin police services is responsible for fireworks response as well as suppression,

902
01:09:05,795 --> 01:09:09,735
uh, police activities. So annually, dps utilizes a suppression

903
01:09:10,015 --> 01:09:13,915
detail to respond to fireworks complaints, provides security at our designated parks, and

904
01:09:14,135 --> 01:09:17,895
then proactively seek illegal fireworks use. The detail is staffed

905
01:09:18,175 --> 01:09:22,035
on overtime and is supported by alameda county sheriff's office. Um,

906
01:09:22,255 --> 01:09:26,055
in 2025. The suppression detail consisted of 21 personnel in addition to the

907
01:09:26,295 --> 01:09:30,095
standard patrol. And on average, dps receives approximately 55 calls

908
01:09:30,395 --> 01:09:34,315
for service each year related to either illegal fireworks noise issues,

909
01:09:35,235 --> 01:09:39,095
uh, potentially the improper use of safe and sane fireworks, as well as public safety

910
01:09:39,375 --> 01:09:43,175
concerns. Additionally, suppression details have confiscated more

911
01:09:43,455 --> 01:09:46,615
than 1600 pounds of illegal fireworks since 2020. And in 2025,

912
01:09:47,875 --> 01:09:51,605
the suppression team confiscated 100 pounds of illegal

913
01:09:52,285 --> 01:09:56,225
fireworks. Alameda county fire department also plays an important

914
01:09:56,465 --> 01:10:00,465
role in both the sale of safe and sane fireworks, as well as emergency response related to

915
01:10:00,865 --> 01:10:04,395
fireworks. A cfd is responsible for the booth application process inspection,

916
01:10:05,085 --> 01:10:08,865
and regulation of fireworks booths and overall code enforcement for the operation of these booths.

917
01:10:09,945 --> 01:10:13,115
a cfd is also responsible for emergency response, which,

918
01:10:14,005 --> 01:10:17,985
uh, which does strain resources in the event of any, you know, active large mutual

919
01:10:18,405 --> 01:10:21,025
aid fires that are, um, occurring in the state at the time.

920
01:10:22,435 --> 01:10:26,385
since 2020, there have been four documented fire incidents in non-designated park

921
01:10:26,625 --> 01:10:30,545
areas. There have been two vegetation fires, one caused by illegal

922
01:10:30,925 --> 01:10:34,905
or improper use and or disposal of the safe, insane fireworks. And then

923
01:10:35,125 --> 01:10:39,125
one tree fire that was the result of illegal fireworks. No injuries or

924
01:10:39,505 --> 01:10:43,265
structural damage was reported from these fires. In addition to these incidents,

925
01:10:43,545 --> 01:10:47,025
a cfd also extinguish extinguishes fireworks firework related

926
01:10:47,785 --> 01:10:51,685
dumpster fires at our designated parks, um, each year during the

927
01:10:52,135 --> 01:10:56,135
july 4th period. So

928
01:10:56,355 --> 01:11:00,355
there is a financial impact to the sale of safe and insane fireworks in the city as well. Uh, the

929
01:11:00,475 --> 01:11:03,995
table on the screen illustrates the 2025 city expenditures as well as revenues.

930
01:11:04,775 --> 01:11:08,675
so total expenditures include direct personnel expenses and operational support across

931
01:11:09,035 --> 01:11:12,355
departments that provide public safety, maintenance, permitting, and inspection

932
01:11:13,125 --> 01:11:17,125
services, as well as general administration. Overall, the city's total expenditures

933
01:11:17,685 --> 01:11:21,325
were $79,707. Uh, police made up approximately

934
01:11:21,845 --> 01:11:25,165
51% of those expenditures. Fire makes up approximately 22%.

935
01:11:26,305 --> 01:11:30,045
uh, maintenance makes up approximately 17%, and the remainder falls within

936
01:11:30,545 --> 01:11:34,125
street sweeping, um, a vi for the trash bins or garbage

937
01:11:34,645 --> 01:11:38,565
bins, um, staff time. And then, um, as well lost revenue

938
01:11:39,065 --> 01:11:41,565
due to facility closure. Specifically at the shannon community center.

939
01:11:43,225 --> 01:11:46,525
the city does bring in revenue as well from booth application fees and deposits.

940
01:11:47,505 --> 01:11:51,465
and so this year in 2025, the city brought in $5,535 in

941
01:11:51,685 --> 01:11:55,585
revenue. So it leads to a net city cost of 74,172 for

942
01:11:55,825 --> 01:11:59,645
the 2025 period. Okay,

943
01:11:59,935 --> 01:12:03,695
so that was a summary of the city's current programs, but I do want to also highlight the nonprofits

944
01:12:04,215 --> 01:12:07,695
that apply to operate boosts in the city. So each year, the city approves approximately

945
01:12:08,295 --> 01:12:12,255
15 boosts for the sale of safe, insane fireworks. And while the city does not

946
01:12:12,415 --> 01:12:16,175
collect information on the sales from nonprofits over recent years, some

947
01:12:16,455 --> 01:12:20,275
organizations have shared this with staff that they are facing challenges. So

948
01:12:20,495 --> 01:12:24,205
these challenges can include declining net revenues due to the high operating cost,

949
01:12:25,115 --> 01:12:28,655
uh, which include rental space, generators, equipment, et cetera.

950
01:12:29,135 --> 01:12:32,775
firework products, uh, revenue generated also appears to vary by booth

951
01:12:33,335 --> 01:12:37,335
location, where it's been reported to staff that obviously in higher traffic areas you're gonna have higher revenues,

952
01:12:37,815 --> 01:12:41,735
lower traffic areas, you'll have lower revenues. Some organizations have also

953
01:12:42,135 --> 01:12:45,895
reported difficulty in finding enough volunteers to run the booth, leading to organizations

954
01:12:46,455 --> 01:12:50,285
partnering to ensure adequate volunteer support. Um, and that has basically

955
01:12:50,925 --> 01:12:53,775
kept the number of booth applications fairly stagnant over the years.

956
01:12:54,955 --> 01:12:58,935
lastly, some organizations are finding it more difficult to find locations for firework booths.

957
01:12:59,645 --> 01:13:03,415
this is likely due to the development of previously vacant commercial sites, as well as increased

958
01:13:03,935 --> 01:13:07,935
rent prices. Furthermore, some property owners currently allow, uh, allowing boost

959
01:13:08,215 --> 01:13:11,905
have shared with staff that they're considering removing rental access in future years, which

960
01:13:12,255 --> 01:13:14,015
would have an impact on the amount of sites available.

961
01:13:16,915 --> 01:13:20,675
I had also like to share some identified environmental and community impacts from the use of fireworks.

962
01:13:21,495 --> 01:13:25,355
so fire risk remains the city's most significant concern during summer months, primarily

963
01:13:25,955 --> 01:13:29,915
due to our proximity to wildland, um, areas as well as significant summer

964
01:13:30,195 --> 01:13:34,005
weather conditions, extreme heat, low relative humidity, as well as strong winds.

965
01:13:35,095 --> 01:13:38,995
all of these conditions increase the risk of fast moving vegetation or structure fires in the area

966
01:13:39,235 --> 01:13:42,915
during this period. Fireworks also can create secondary

967
01:13:43,395 --> 01:13:47,315
impacts to the community, such as noise related disruptions for veterans and other sensitive

968
01:13:47,515 --> 01:13:50,635
populations, stress and harm to pets and wildlife and light pollution.

969
01:13:53,975 --> 01:13:57,685
uh, and also then to get a better picture of how dublin's program operates in the bay area, staff

970
01:13:58,065 --> 01:14:01,835
also researched surrounding cities. So overall, there are 10 cities in the bay area

971
01:14:02,075 --> 01:14:05,795
that allow the sale of safe and insane fireworks, and they're listed in the chart on the screen.

972
01:14:06,535 --> 01:14:10,425
newark and union city are the only two jurisdictions in alameda county that allow safe

973
01:14:10,715 --> 01:14:14,685
and sane fireworks, uh, and they are very comparable to dublin. So that's really where staff

974
01:14:14,925 --> 01:14:18,765
focused. Both newark and union city allow the sale of safe and sane fireworks

975
01:14:19,005 --> 01:14:22,845
at boost throughout their community. Similar to dublin, they both have firework suppression details

976
01:14:23,555 --> 01:14:27,365
with similar responsibilities to dublin, and then they both contract fire suppression

977
01:14:27,805 --> 01:14:31,735
services through a cfd as well. Uh, I

978
01:14:31,855 --> 01:14:35,855
do wanna highlight just a couple of notable differences, um, between these communities in dublin.

979
01:14:36,595 --> 01:14:40,455
so newark city council established a process where fireworks boosts were capped and then they

980
01:14:40,975 --> 01:14:44,915
decrease through attrition when an organization chooses not to renew their permit or,

981
01:14:45,315 --> 01:14:49,215
uh, they no longer meet the city's requirements. Dublin's cap is based, as I

982
01:14:49,335 --> 01:14:53,255
mentioned earlier on the population, so it increases and decreases based on the population of

983
01:14:53,415 --> 01:14:57,185
the city. Newark also includes, uh, illegal fireworks

984
01:14:57,425 --> 01:15:01,385
and their social host ordinance, allowing police to cite the property owner where illegal fireworks

985
01:15:01,845 --> 01:15:05,695
are seen to be used to compare double dublin's. Uh, social host

986
01:15:06,015 --> 01:15:09,065
ordinance only covers underage drinking and does not include fireworks.

987
01:15:10,195 --> 01:15:14,065
union city differs from dublin with their fee structure as they charge permit fees based

988
01:15:14,345 --> 01:15:18,005
on a percentage of gross revenue, uh, from the sales of fireworks. Dublin

989
01:15:18,425 --> 01:15:22,345
has a set inspection and application fee, and then union

990
01:15:22,615 --> 01:15:26,305
city calculates this to an estimation of reasonable city costs to administer permits

991
01:15:27,285 --> 01:15:31,185
and to then operate the program. And then they divide that by the gross revenues derived from the

992
01:15:31,555 --> 01:15:34,375
sales of fireworks in the city of the previ for the previous year.

993
01:15:37,445 --> 01:15:41,425
so while this report is informational only, it does raise potential areas the city may consider in

994
01:15:41,625 --> 01:15:45,545
the future to enhance safety and help recover the city's expenses related to fireworks

995
01:15:45,825 --> 01:15:49,625
management. So these include implementing a new fee structure for permit fees that

996
01:15:49,905 --> 01:15:53,785
could be structured to align with the city's costs, which is similar to what union city has done.

997
01:15:54,685 --> 01:15:58,665
it could include expanding the current social host ordinance to assign responsibility to

998
01:15:59,025 --> 01:16:02,985
property owners and assess fines accordingly. And also capping the number

999
01:16:03,145 --> 01:16:07,095
of boosts to allow for current nonprofits to maintain their sales booth, while also

1000
01:16:07,385 --> 01:16:09,465
controlling the expansion of fireworks in the community.

1001
01:16:11,755 --> 01:16:15,655
so that concludes, uh, the informational presentation and staff's recommendation is

1002
01:16:15,855 --> 01:16:19,575
to receive the port and we receive the report, excuse me, and we're happy to take any questions you have.

1003
01:16:21,895 --> 01:16:25,335
thank you. Thank you, jordan. That's a very comprehensive study.

1004
01:16:26,705 --> 01:16:28,125
um, start with the questions.

1005
01:16:32,485 --> 01:16:36,305
the button wasn't working there for a second. Um, thank you for the

1006
01:16:36,505 --> 01:16:40,325
comprehensive report. Um, a few questions. Um,

1007
01:16:40,645 --> 01:16:44,155
the financial analysis that was up there are all of those costs,

1008
01:16:45,375 --> 01:16:49,265
most particularly fire and police strictly due to

1009
01:16:49,385 --> 01:16:53,335
safe and sane fireworks? Not strictly. So fire will

1010
01:16:53,625 --> 01:16:57,545
be, the majority of it will be because it's really gonna be your inspection services, code enforcement,

1011
01:16:58,125 --> 01:17:01,945
um, services. The police number though, like, especially if you're looking at suppression

1012
01:17:02,145 --> 01:17:05,945
details mm-hmm . Those totals will be impacted by looking for illegal fireworks

1013
01:17:06,225 --> 01:17:10,085
as well. Okay. And the, the suppression number, the police number included

1014
01:17:10,245 --> 01:17:13,805
that suppression detail? Correct. Okay. Um, alright, that's good to know.

1015
01:17:14,345 --> 01:17:18,325
um, the, I know we've asked this in

1016
01:17:18,485 --> 01:17:21,875
the past, and this is I think the third time we've talked about fireworks since I've been on the dais.

1017
01:17:22,545 --> 01:17:26,385
um, we have not seen an

1018
01:17:27,085 --> 01:17:30,855
increase in illegal fireworks in

1019
01:17:31,655 --> 01:17:35,475
the city of dublin, um, compared to our surrounding

1020
01:17:35,715 --> 01:17:39,435
cities. Is that correct? I couldn't speak directly to our surrounding cities.

1021
01:17:39,835 --> 01:17:43,435
I can say, uh, in 2020 we did confiscate, I believe a thousand pounds

1022
01:17:43,845 --> 01:17:47,715
worth of illegal fireworks. Since then, it's been fairly consistent year over

1023
01:17:47,915 --> 01:17:51,755
year. Um, so it's not like we're seeing a, a increase year over year in dublin necessarily.

1024
01:17:52,615 --> 01:17:56,475
um, I don't know if the chief wants to speak to other communities. Um, yeah, I I

1025
01:17:56,635 --> 01:18:00,555
I we've had that, I know you probably don't have that reward in front of you. We've had that question

1026
01:18:00,725 --> 01:18:04,335
asked in the past, and the, the answer we got was that, um, our,

1027
01:18:05,415 --> 01:18:09,315
uh, the, the calls for service based on illegal fireworks and what we're seeing

1028
01:18:09,815 --> 01:18:13,635
is comparable to surrounding cities is and, and maybe sometimes even lower. Is that,

1029
01:18:13,975 --> 01:18:17,875
is that a, do I have that right? Do I remember that correctly? Uh, vice mayor, I

1030
01:18:17,995 --> 01:18:21,955
don't have the, the info this for the surrounding cities. I can tell you from working these details previously when

1031
01:18:22,235 --> 01:18:25,915
I was assigned here, um, our arrest numbers are about the same. They're

1032
01:18:26,275 --> 01:18:29,675
very low. Um, the amount of fireworks that we seize every year is pretty consistent,

1033
01:18:30,695 --> 01:18:34,515
and a lot of the fireworks that we do seize come from undercover operations with our detectives.

1034
01:18:35,035 --> 01:18:39,035
it's not necessarily always picking up the fireworks off the street, but, um, I, I don't

1035
01:18:39,275 --> 01:18:42,615
know what the surrounding agencies are picking up okay. Or what their numbers are.

1036
01:18:43,335 --> 01:18:47,315
all right. Um, do you have any recollection of those reports that we've had

1037
01:18:47,395 --> 01:18:50,395
in the past? Okay, thank you. Um, I, the 2020 year

1038
01:18:51,495 --> 01:18:55,445
we talked about it then, um, because everybody in california

1039
01:18:56,255 --> 01:19:00,195
was appalled by the illegal fireworks, and it was because of all the professional shows being canceled and the

1040
01:19:00,315 --> 01:19:03,795
black market being flooded with, um, the illegal fireworks. And

1041
01:19:04,615 --> 01:19:08,475
so that, I'm, I'm, that was an anomaly mm-hmm . Um, so

1042
01:19:08,675 --> 01:19:12,635
I'm, I'm not, that's not the number that I want us to all be thinking

1043
01:19:12,835 --> 01:19:16,655
about so much. Correct. It's more the current years mm-hmm . Um, okay. Thank

1044
01:19:16,895 --> 01:19:20,865
you. The, um, you said that the cap is based,

1045
01:19:21,395 --> 01:19:25,375
the, the, the number of boosts goes up and down, but I think what you meant was the cap goes up and down

1046
01:19:25,495 --> 01:19:29,135
based on the population, correct? Correct. The cap. The cap, the allowable number of boosts,

1047
01:19:29,515 --> 01:19:33,055
our cap, uhhuh is based on the, is based on the population. It's one per every 3000,

1048
01:19:34,115 --> 01:19:38,095
uh, minus anybody in group quarters. And the, the last few years

1049
01:19:38,485 --> 01:19:42,375
have we had enough booths that we were bumping up against that cap so that we had to do the lottery

1050
01:19:42,645 --> 01:19:46,615
draw? We have not, no. Do you remember when the last year we had to do the lottery draw? Was, I believe it was in

1051
01:19:46,735 --> 01:19:50,565
2015, was the last time we did the lottery draw. Okay. And last

1052
01:19:50,855 --> 01:19:54,695
year we had 15 booths, is that right? 15 selected, 16 applied. And there were,

1053
01:19:55,035 --> 01:19:58,745
how many could we have had? How many could we have had based on the cap?

1054
01:19:59,125 --> 01:20:03,005
uh, 23. 23. Okay. Thank you. Um, and then, uh, the,

1055
01:20:03,445 --> 01:20:07,085
the booth locations for each nonprofit, how were those booths selected?

1056
01:20:07,825 --> 01:20:11,425
the locations? You, you had a slide that talked about the locations. Yeah. And, um,

1057
01:20:12,075 --> 01:20:15,725
I'll let bonnie come up and answer that. Okay. Chief tara, she, I think will have more information

1058
01:20:16,085 --> 01:20:17,115
on that specifically. Okay.

1059
01:20:26,385 --> 01:20:29,935
good evening. Council division chief tara with the emily county fire department. Um,

1060
01:20:30,495 --> 01:20:34,425
the city does not, um, dictate booths. Those are established

1061
01:20:35,115 --> 01:20:38,795
between the fireworks provider and the organizations,

1062
01:20:40,055 --> 01:20:43,315
or the organizations themselves secure their booth locations.

1063
01:20:44,425 --> 01:20:48,395
what we do is when the booth locations are submitted, we ensure that the

1064
01:20:48,955 --> 01:20:52,835
location meets the regulation standards for distances from things

1065
01:20:52,995 --> 01:20:56,745
like gasoline pumps, buildings, um, lithium

1066
01:20:57,435 --> 01:21:01,215
ion, battery charging stations, those types of, um, things. But

1067
01:21:01,535 --> 01:21:05,435
we do not pick or determine where the booth locations are.

1068
01:21:05,975 --> 01:21:09,955
and obviously the property owners here within the community determine whether

1069
01:21:10,235 --> 01:21:13,775
they want a booth on their property or not. Okay. Um,

1070
01:21:14,655 --> 01:21:17,915
and, uh, when was the last time the ordinance itself was updated?

1071
01:21:18,815 --> 01:21:20,195
was that 82? Do I have that right?

1072
01:21:23,155 --> 01:21:26,965
uh, the ordinance, there were multiple amendments that had happened over

1073
01:21:27,275 --> 01:21:30,845
the years. Um, not specifically just in 1982. Okay.

1074
01:21:31,475 --> 01:21:34,735
um, I don't have that exact information in front of me right now, though. I apologize.

1075
01:21:35,515 --> 01:21:39,415
the last update I saw in writing on here was 82, but you think there was things that

1076
01:21:39,575 --> 01:21:43,385
were updated since then? There were multiple, or there were multiple amendments that occurred? Lemme

1077
01:21:43,735 --> 01:21:47,455
pull it up. My, my recollection

1078
01:21:47,775 --> 01:21:51,735
is that there have been a number of amendments, but they're mainly related to the, the way

1079
01:21:51,935 --> 01:21:55,495
the fireworks, uh, sales permits process works. You know, who's qualifying

1080
01:21:56,195 --> 01:22:00,055
and things like that. Um, there the fundamentals around, uh, safe and

1081
01:22:00,295 --> 01:22:04,295
sane fireworks haven't changed. That's 82. Does that sound right? Yeah, that sounds right.

1082
01:22:05,365 --> 01:22:09,085
okay. It appears that the most recent update was in 2012. Okay.

1083
01:22:10,825 --> 01:22:14,105
okay. That's it for my questions right now. Thank you. Thank you. Very good questions anymore?

1084
01:22:15,905 --> 01:22:19,035
good. Um, thank you for the presentation. Uh, just got one

1085
01:22:20,195 --> 01:22:24,135
question, uh, kind of dovetailing off of, uh, the vice mayor's questions. Is there, do

1086
01:22:24,355 --> 01:22:28,255
we have the capacity to, uh, break out the suppression detail on,

1087
01:22:28,655 --> 01:22:31,905
for police and fire between illegal and legal, uh,

1088
01:22:32,815 --> 01:22:36,015
activities or fireworks rather?

1089
01:22:36,875 --> 01:22:40,795
um, so council member cadre, so we already do that. So part of our suppression detail, uh,

1090
01:22:41,015 --> 01:22:44,995
goes to cover four parks or safe and sane fireworks are being, um,

1091
01:22:45,405 --> 01:22:49,295
used. So we typically, um, I think we put about two officers at each

1092
01:22:49,495 --> 01:22:52,375
park. So part of that suppression does cover the safe and sane.

1093
01:22:54,425 --> 01:22:58,245
got it. Okay. So two per four, so eight officers

1094
01:22:58,805 --> 01:23:02,345
during that 12 hour window? That's correct. Roughly. Okay. Uh,

1095
01:23:03,905 --> 01:23:07,735
can I piggyback? Sure. Question. Um, but the police costs

1096
01:23:08,225 --> 01:23:12,145
for safe, insane fireworks are more than just those officers at the park the night of

1097
01:23:13,085 --> 01:23:16,825
fireworks. Right. And so I think, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think your question was,

1098
01:23:17,505 --> 01:23:21,285
um, really for the, the, uh, police cost

1099
01:23:21,905 --> 01:23:25,895
associated with fireworks mm-hmm . Um, can we

1100
01:23:26,055 --> 01:23:29,775
get a full breakdown of, you know, this is how much it costs for police

1101
01:23:30,175 --> 01:23:34,115
services to support safe and sane fireworks? Yeah. I think we, we put together,

1102
01:23:34,555 --> 01:23:38,155
I know captain campos put together a, uh, sheet detailing all the costs, including costs

1103
01:23:38,615 --> 01:23:42,595
for, uh, you know, inspections and stuff, or any, any types of response

1104
01:23:42,715 --> 01:23:46,595
to a fireworks booth. Mm-hmm . And also including, um, the staff that

1105
01:23:46,795 --> 01:23:50,795
was dedicated to suppression on the day of 4th of july. I see. Okay. So we may have just

1106
01:23:50,875 --> 01:23:54,155
misunderstood your answer, . Okay. Thank you. Thank you,

1107
01:23:55,445 --> 01:23:57,795
michael. Yeah, thank you, mayor. Um,

1108
01:24:03,105 --> 01:24:06,825
what, uh, what has prevented us, uh,

1109
01:24:07,675 --> 01:24:11,585
from, and you may have mentioned this, but I wasn't clear on this, uh,

1110
01:24:13,395 --> 01:24:17,285
requiring or, or enforcing a, a reporting mechanism

1111
01:24:17,765 --> 01:24:21,765
from the nonprofits. Why have we not been, let me rephrase it. That's

1112
01:24:22,045 --> 01:24:25,945
where I wanna go, but why have we not, uh, um,

1113
01:24:27,285 --> 01:24:31,185
received good information over the years? Because essentially, regardless of

1114
01:24:31,635 --> 01:24:35,085
whether, uh, you know, we have breakouts or not on the data,

1115
01:24:35,865 --> 01:24:39,795
uh, we are, uh, we are subsidizing

1116
01:24:40,305 --> 01:24:44,115
this process by $74,000 a year, which, which

1117
01:24:44,455 --> 01:24:48,435
is great. Um, but I would think that we'd want

1118
01:24:48,695 --> 01:24:52,335
to be able to pinpoint what those benefits are

1119
01:24:53,095 --> 01:24:56,795
to the community. And I know, um, the community for, obviously for many years,

1120
01:24:57,105 --> 01:25:01,075
this has been a, a very, very good revenue source, uh, to

1121
01:25:01,235 --> 01:25:05,175
support the schools. So what I'd like to see is, is

1122
01:25:05,665 --> 01:25:09,535
also, is to, uh, see how successful we can, uh,

1123
01:25:09,935 --> 01:25:13,735
be in requiring, uh, whether it's the, uh,

1124
01:25:14,135 --> 01:25:17,995
how, wherever that information's coming from, whether it's the, the, uh, fireworks

1125
01:25:18,555 --> 01:25:22,555
provider or the nonprofits. And, uh, I know that they

1126
01:25:22,715 --> 01:25:26,635
know how much they're making, uh, but we'd like, I'd like to see kind of a gross

1127
01:25:26,835 --> 01:25:30,805
revenue, uh, or, or something that says, hey, look, we're,

1128
01:25:31,325 --> 01:25:35,255
we're, uh, willing to provide this. This is, this is, you know, this is what we're putting

1129
01:25:35,415 --> 01:25:39,235
up as a city, and, uh, here's, here's how

1130
01:25:39,455 --> 01:25:42,875
it's benefiting our, our schools. And I think that would be, um,

1131
01:25:43,815 --> 01:25:47,655
a first start as far as I'm concerned. Um, the other

1132
01:25:47,855 --> 01:25:51,855
thing is, uh, and, and I'm, I'm going to digress and

1133
01:25:51,975 --> 01:25:55,655
say I thank you for the report. I, I often fail to thank you,

1134
01:25:56,135 --> 01:25:59,875
, and I wanna do that because you actually identified, um,

1135
01:26:00,455 --> 01:26:04,085
a couple of comparatives. And, um, what I'd like to understand

1136
01:26:04,825 --> 01:26:08,825
is what do you think, uh, their rationale or

1137
01:26:09,045 --> 01:26:12,945
how successful have both newark and

1138
01:26:13,165 --> 01:26:16,385
union city been over the year, and where do you think they're going, uh,

1139
01:26:18,645 --> 01:26:22,465
on that? I mean, I can say like with union city specifically, uh, or excuse me, newark

1140
01:26:23,025 --> 01:26:26,885
specifically with the cap, and, you know, obviously reducing the number of boosts to attrition mm-hmm

1141
01:26:27,345 --> 01:26:30,625
. I believe they've reduced by two or three boosts over the past,

1142
01:26:31,915 --> 01:26:35,845
gosh, how many years it's been, it's been five plus years.

1143
01:26:36,305 --> 01:26:40,245
so there has been a little bit of an attrition there. The cap was originally set at 14, I believe

1144
01:26:40,405 --> 01:26:44,335
they're down to 12 or 11 booths at this point. Mm-hmm . So that's been successful

1145
01:26:45,385 --> 01:26:47,865
for what I guess their council was going for. Um,

1146
01:26:49,565 --> 01:26:53,075
I, I couldn't really speak to how successful union city's been with, with

1147
01:26:53,615 --> 01:26:57,395
their specific, uh, fee structure. Yeah.

1148
01:26:57,825 --> 01:27:01,795
um, I, you know, we'd have to reach out to them and, and really sit down, what, what are, yeah.

1149
01:27:02,145 --> 01:27:05,925
or how much are they subsidizing or, you know, yeah. We would've, we'd

1150
01:27:06,165 --> 01:27:10,085
have to reach out to them directly to get that, that detailed information, which we're happy to do

1151
01:27:10,265 --> 01:27:13,765
if, um, I, I would appreciate that.

1152
01:27:14,945 --> 01:27:18,925
um, and then, um, I think that's,

1153
01:27:19,455 --> 01:27:23,165
those are the, the basic questions for now that I'll, I might have a couple more later,

1154
01:27:23,505 --> 01:27:27,485
but thank you. Yeah. So, john, council member marada, do you have

1155
01:27:27,665 --> 01:27:31,555
any questions? Um, yes. I, if I may, just two

1156
01:27:31,755 --> 01:27:35,725
very quick questions for jordan. Um, uh, jordan. Great.

1157
01:27:36,125 --> 01:27:39,915
great. Uh, research and, and in depth, uh, the first

1158
01:27:40,275 --> 01:27:42,715
question is, um, as a city, uh, fundamentally

1159
01:27:44,535 --> 01:27:47,575
we provide this as a service correct. To,

1160
01:27:48,575 --> 01:27:52,495
to our residents, both the fireworks permitting process as

1161
01:27:52,715 --> 01:27:56,595
well as the, uh, coordinate off area for where fireworks can be

1162
01:27:57,135 --> 01:28:00,925
lit off in the parks, correct? That is correct. Okay. Thank

1163
01:28:01,205 --> 01:28:05,125
you. Uh, just a point of clarification. And then, uh, second question

1164
01:28:05,265 --> 01:28:07,825
is, uh, during the

1165
01:28:09,295 --> 01:28:12,805
evaluation, and, and, uh, actually, let me take a step back. I, I actually agree with,

1166
01:28:13,505 --> 01:28:17,485
uh, councilman horten because he and I come from a very similar business background.

1167
01:28:17,865 --> 01:28:21,645
so we're always about kpis and metrics. Um, but to that

1168
01:28:21,885 --> 01:28:25,725
point, which I'm leading into jordan, uh, we as a city

1169
01:28:27,055 --> 01:28:31,055
do not engage with the applicants on

1170
01:28:31,735 --> 01:28:35,595
either commercial discussion around foot traffic,

1171
01:28:36,405 --> 01:28:40,295
sales volume, or anything of that sort. Correct. We, we simply accept

1172
01:28:40,715 --> 01:28:43,515
the permit process, term permit and provide a service.

1173
01:28:44,795 --> 01:28:48,685
correct. They're not required to report anything back to the city, um, specifically

1174
01:28:49,725 --> 01:28:52,475
surrounding their sales. Okay.

1175
01:28:53,735 --> 01:28:57,465
okay. Um, thank you. Therefore, I, um, I, I, I think it's,

1176
01:28:57,775 --> 01:29:01,685
it's important to note that, you know, as a city, uh, again, we provide a service,

1177
01:29:02,585 --> 01:29:06,525
um, the data around, uh, the commercial

1178
01:29:06,845 --> 01:29:10,265
aspects of running a booth and the number of booths, those are all

1179
01:29:11,095 --> 01:29:14,685
extra data points. Um, but maybe at, at some point it becomes

1180
01:29:15,205 --> 01:29:19,145
a deliberation as to do those become points

1181
01:29:19,645 --> 01:29:23,645
of discussion and adjudication as we, you know, look further

1182
01:29:24,135 --> 01:29:28,005
about the support of this service. Uh, but as of now, I, I'm going to

1183
01:29:28,165 --> 01:29:31,805
just say that this, provide this, continue to provide the service. It, it was a great report.

1184
01:29:32,585 --> 01:29:36,545
um, but we don't necessarily need to look at, uh, volume of,

1185
01:29:36,825 --> 01:29:40,765
of sales as a determining factor for the number of booths we have in the

1186
01:29:40,845 --> 01:29:44,445
future. So, thank you, jordan. Your report is accepted and I appreciate it,

1187
01:29:45,345 --> 01:29:49,115
council member. So thank you. Good work. So, I, I,

1188
01:29:49,435 --> 01:29:53,065
I actually know some data points, I'll say. So I think a, some

1189
01:29:53,495 --> 01:29:56,875
number of non-profit organizations, they made a significant,

1190
01:29:58,055 --> 01:30:01,995
uh, revenue from these sales, um, because they, they, sometimes they

1191
01:30:02,235 --> 01:30:05,755
reach out to me, and actually I was a volunteer selling,

1192
01:30:06,655 --> 01:30:10,515
uh, fireworks in the past years. So I, I kinda have that information.

1193
01:30:10,995 --> 01:30:14,655
so it's a significant for non-profit for many of them. And

1194
01:30:15,425 --> 01:30:19,135
also, um, also depends because it's not easy to

1195
01:30:19,665 --> 01:30:23,075
sell as well. So that's why the numbers of nonprofit

1196
01:30:23,925 --> 01:30:27,785
apply for these permits, like reduced over years, because

1197
01:30:28,275 --> 01:30:32,195
it's not easy. But for some pfcs for those, you know, they have a lot

1198
01:30:32,315 --> 01:30:36,195
of, um, associated, uh, supporting groups,

1199
01:30:36,745 --> 01:30:40,475
they do rely on this. Um, so I, I do have a

1200
01:30:40,795 --> 01:30:44,495
question. And the question is, uh, so

1201
01:30:44,915 --> 01:30:48,855
I say like a, it has been on ballot in the past

1202
01:30:49,455 --> 01:30:52,975
a few times, so I'm just, uh, curious.

1203
01:30:53,475 --> 01:30:57,375
so if we want to change anything, we also need to go to the ballot,

1204
01:30:57,955 --> 01:31:01,735
is that right? I'm gonna let john answer that

1205
01:31:02,095 --> 01:31:05,885
question. You don't have to place it on the ballot, but, uh, it's

1206
01:31:06,175 --> 01:31:08,815
been done in the past to inform the city council's decision about it.

1207
01:31:11,635 --> 01:31:15,455
go ahead. Yeah. Uh, that's, that's absolutely correct. I'm just gonna

1208
01:31:16,035 --> 01:31:19,935
unpack it slightly. It was originally, the policy was originally adopted by the

1209
01:31:20,055 --> 01:31:23,975
city council. Um, so it can be changed by the city council. I think it's been controversial

1210
01:31:24,675 --> 01:31:28,535
in the past. Um, and so the council had put it on

1211
01:31:28,695 --> 01:31:32,435
the ballot as an advisory measure to just ask the public, hey,

1212
01:31:32,915 --> 01:31:36,535
do you wanna keep it or do you want to, do you wanna get rid of safe and sane

1213
01:31:36,975 --> 01:31:40,895
fireworks? Uh, so that's why it was on the ballot. It wasn't actually an initiative measure, it was just a,

1214
01:31:41,455 --> 01:31:45,045
a question, do you, do you want to retain safe and sane fireworks in dublin? Okay.

1215
01:31:45,605 --> 01:31:49,455
cool. Thank you. So that's all the questions. And do we have

1216
01:31:49,735 --> 01:31:52,605
a public comments? Uh, yes, mayor, I have,

1217
01:31:53,755 --> 01:31:57,555
um, it looks like six speakers on this, um, topic, some here in

1218
01:31:57,775 --> 01:32:01,675
the chamber, and one on zoom. So the first speaker is james bowling.

1219
01:32:13,505 --> 01:32:17,105
hi, um, I'm james bowling, and, uh, I represent, uh, dublin

1220
01:32:17,525 --> 01:32:21,525
high school music boosters. Um, so I'm just gonna go ahead and speak

1221
01:32:21,645 --> 01:32:25,065
really quickly about revenue. It is a major revenue source for us, um,

1222
01:32:26,545 --> 01:32:30,445
for us. I'll give you some specifics since you were kind of asking.

1223
01:32:31,385 --> 01:32:35,185
um, net revenue for us is

1224
01:32:35,405 --> 01:32:39,085
about $25,000 a year. What does that do? That allows

1225
01:32:39,545 --> 01:32:43,165
our band to go down to fresno for a two day competition, uh, to compete

1226
01:32:43,565 --> 01:32:46,885
with all bands from across california and nevada and oregon.

1227
01:32:47,755 --> 01:32:51,685
it's a huge competition that they do. Without that revenue, we're not going.

1228
01:32:52,625 --> 01:32:56,405
um, and it also makes up 25% of all fundraising

1229
01:32:56,765 --> 01:33:00,545
that we do. So it would be a significant cut within

1230
01:33:01,025 --> 01:33:04,925
our program. The other issue would also be, and I would

1231
01:33:05,045 --> 01:33:08,865
like to kind of put some things into perspective. That's our perspective and

1232
01:33:09,085 --> 01:33:12,855
what it would do to our organization. Um, your guys'

1233
01:33:13,205 --> 01:33:17,185
budget is $171 million. From what I read up on your website, that's

1234
01:33:17,605 --> 01:33:21,525
75,000 is four tenths, I'm sorry, four, one hundreds of a

1235
01:33:21,645 --> 01:33:25,285
percent of your overall budget. That to me, is not a very significant

1236
01:33:25,845 --> 01:33:29,845
savings for the city. I do appreciate that you guys being fiscally

1237
01:33:30,285 --> 01:33:34,075
responsible as I am as well. Um, however, I would implore

1238
01:33:34,585 --> 01:33:38,525
you to not look at this as an expense, but to look at this as an

1239
01:33:38,645 --> 01:33:42,405
investment on the children and the organizations that serve your community.

1240
01:33:43,745 --> 01:33:47,645
that's the perspective I would like for you guys to think about before you make any type of

1241
01:33:47,965 --> 01:33:51,805
decisions. Um, to add a fee,

1242
01:33:52,745 --> 01:33:56,745
you guys were talking about adding it to the gross, if there was a fee to

1243
01:33:56,965 --> 01:34:00,885
cover up that cost, I'm just telling you that that would probably

1244
01:34:01,065 --> 01:34:04,765
cut us, that would cut our revenue made from the, by the boost

1245
01:34:05,625 --> 01:34:09,525
by about 10%. From what I saw in the report, I saw

1246
01:34:09,765 --> 01:34:13,665
a possible fee being charged. And so that I just kind of did a quick thing on

1247
01:34:14,145 --> 01:34:16,545
how much that would actually cost us. Um,

1248
01:34:18,705 --> 01:34:21,765
and also to kind of go to the safety,

1249
01:34:22,905 --> 01:34:26,525
if in the past two years you've had two responses, and one of them

1250
01:34:27,185 --> 01:34:30,925
was improper use or disposal of safe, some safe and same fireworks,

1251
01:34:31,465 --> 01:34:35,075
and one was for illegal, I don't see a necessary

1252
01:34:36,275 --> 01:34:40,025
measure to ban them as, I don't think that that would actually reduce

1253
01:34:40,665 --> 01:34:43,165
safety concerns that the city has. I understand

1254
01:34:44,705 --> 01:34:48,645
the concerns that the city may have, but I don't think that would be a

1255
01:34:48,765 --> 01:34:52,765
significant safety improvement for the city. 'cause people are still going to bring

1256
01:34:53,025 --> 01:34:56,845
in illegal fireworks. I come from modesto where they

1257
01:34:57,425 --> 01:35:01,405
let off safe, insane fireworks, but those are way outnumbered by the

1258
01:35:01,565 --> 01:35:05,485
illegal ones, . So I can tell you that it's not gonna change

1259
01:35:05,805 --> 01:35:09,685
a thing whether you get rid of it or you don't. Thank you.

1260
01:35:09,895 --> 01:35:12,955
thank you, mayor. The next speaker is mike grant.

1261
01:35:27,575 --> 01:35:30,545
good evening again, mike grant, longtime resident.

1262
01:35:32,285 --> 01:35:35,715
I'm concerned you get a hundred pounds of illegal fireworks that you compensate.

1263
01:35:37,485 --> 01:35:41,465
and I, I'm more concerned about, uh, why don't you guys

1264
01:35:41,625 --> 01:35:45,625
start finding these people $200 a pound for every pound of

1265
01:35:46,025 --> 01:35:49,785
fireworks you find on 'em, and give 'em a little deterrent. They won't do that anymore

1266
01:35:50,685 --> 01:35:54,345
and stick it to 'em in the pocketbook. That's what you're trying to do most of the time to us.

1267
01:35:54,765 --> 01:35:58,145
so let's go ahead and do it to them. Maybe they won't bring the fireworks in town anymore,

1268
01:35:58,805 --> 01:36:02,785
not a big deal. Chief would go ahead and write the ticket to 'em, and we will

1269
01:36:02,905 --> 01:36:06,785
haul 'em away to santa rita motel, and we'll collect the cash

1270
01:36:06,985 --> 01:36:10,425
from 'em. That's how we'll stop that. So as far as

1271
01:36:11,045 --> 01:36:14,785
the city, the $74,000 to this city's chump change,

1272
01:36:15,525 --> 01:36:19,465
we see it all the time. We spend more money. I see people driving around with, uh,

1273
01:36:19,975 --> 01:36:23,785
cars going to lunch, and these little cars hiding out and stuff in the street.

1274
01:36:24,775 --> 01:36:28,745
it's not a big deal, the city cars. So if we can afford to do that,

1275
01:36:29,245 --> 01:36:32,185
we can afford to let these people make a profit,

1276
01:36:33,485 --> 01:36:37,015
just like the gentleman just said here for the school. Just leave it alone,

1277
01:36:37,925 --> 01:36:41,095
move on. Look for something else to save money on, like go after

1278
01:36:42,145 --> 01:36:45,535
maybe these protestors and raise their permit fees. Thank you,

1279
01:36:47,875 --> 01:36:49,585
mayor. The next speaker is inga houston.

1280
01:37:00,115 --> 01:37:04,005
good evening mayor and city council and staff. Um, before I start,

1281
01:37:04,305 --> 01:37:08,085
I'm gonna, uh, talk from a business point of view, but I, I would like to point out

1282
01:37:08,355 --> 01:37:12,285
that, um, in the revenue funding, um, did you take

1283
01:37:12,515 --> 01:37:16,365
into consideration the potential sales tax income that comes in on the

1284
01:37:16,525 --> 01:37:20,015
sales tax that is charged on the, um,

1285
01:37:20,955 --> 01:37:24,875
fireworks. So if the fireworks go away, that sales tax will go down? So that's something

1286
01:37:25,035 --> 01:37:29,035
to consider. Uh, the thing is, is, uh, my name is inga houston.

1287
01:37:29,495 --> 01:37:33,215
I'm president, ceo of the dublin chamber of commerce. Um, I'm

1288
01:37:33,515 --> 01:37:36,065
speaking tonight on the behalf of the business, um, community,

1289
01:37:37,535 --> 01:37:41,035
uh, local businesses that invest in this community, employer, residents,

1290
01:37:41,895 --> 01:37:44,915
um, and partner closer with both the city and the nonprofit organizations.

1291
01:37:47,335 --> 01:37:50,305
from a business perspective, with a lawful nonprofit

1292
01:37:52,025 --> 01:37:55,315
fundraising mechanism, if it's eliminated, the financial

1293
01:37:56,235 --> 01:38:00,045
need does not disappear. It shifts and the

1294
01:38:00,245 --> 01:38:04,205
shift lands directly on local businesses. If nonprofits lose

1295
01:38:04,605 --> 01:38:08,405
a significant source of revenue, businesses will face increased donation

1296
01:38:08,885 --> 01:38:12,605
requests, sponsorship asks, and emergency appeals

1297
01:38:13,105 --> 01:38:16,675
to fill that gap for small and mid-sized businesses already

1298
01:38:17,645 --> 01:38:21,085
managing rising costs and labor insurance, rent and compliance.

1299
01:38:22,515 --> 01:38:26,455
this creates a financial strain. This is not

1300
01:38:26,615 --> 01:38:29,295
theoretical, it is how funding gaps are filled.

1301
01:38:30,715 --> 01:38:34,565
if the average firework booth nets $30,000 times 15

1302
01:38:35,155 --> 01:38:39,095
booths, that's $450,000 that our nonprofits here in

1303
01:38:39,215 --> 01:38:42,835
dublin are going to be seeking from our community. The city's

1304
01:38:43,255 --> 01:38:47,215
support of firework sales over the years has created awesome fundraising opportunities,

1305
01:38:47,835 --> 01:38:50,575
and I applaud the city for, for this, uh, program.

1306
01:38:52,155 --> 01:38:54,295
and also it's a multi-generational fundraiser.

1307
01:38:56,305 --> 01:38:59,825
I also wanna emphasize the role nonprofits play in our, in the overall

1308
01:39:00,505 --> 01:39:04,425
business climate nonprofit, um, nonprofits provide

1309
01:39:04,865 --> 01:39:08,565
youth programs, safety education, school support, family

1310
01:39:09,255 --> 01:39:12,925
support services, and community engagement that helps make dublin

1311
01:39:13,385 --> 01:39:17,145
a place where businesses wanna, where businesses can attract employees,

1312
01:39:18,065 --> 01:39:21,545
customers, and investment. When nonprofit funding is reduced,

1313
01:39:22,385 --> 01:39:25,935
pressure shifts back to the city and the private sector. The business community

1314
01:39:26,545 --> 01:39:29,355
support strong enforcement against illegal activities,

1315
01:39:30,805 --> 01:39:34,645
but we do not support the elimination of a regulator program that is

1316
01:39:34,865 --> 01:39:38,745
working and shifting unintended costs onto the business and public

1317
01:39:38,985 --> 01:39:42,985
safety resources. Respectfully, the chamber believes the

1318
01:39:43,185 --> 01:39:46,705
most effective path forward is to preserve this nonprofit

1319
01:39:47,665 --> 01:39:51,185
fundraising activity. This approach protects

1320
01:39:51,745 --> 01:39:55,585
community services and avoids placing additional financial strain on dublin

1321
01:39:56,185 --> 01:40:00,065
businesses. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you, mayor.

1322
01:40:00,435 --> 01:40:01,365
the next speaker is gary leach.

1323
01:40:07,935 --> 01:40:11,915
hi, ms. Mayor, city council. Thanks for having me. I'm gary leach. I'm the

1324
01:40:11,995 --> 01:40:15,675
executive director of doublet partners in education. Many of you

1325
01:40:16,345 --> 01:40:20,115
know that d pi has been around for about 30 years. We support schools

1326
01:40:20,435 --> 01:40:24,115
with afterschool programs and nonprofit, or excuse me, uh, summer programs.

1327
01:40:25,575 --> 01:40:29,375
but what a lot of people don't realize is the amount of money that we give back to

1328
01:40:29,595 --> 01:40:33,195
the community, directly to the students for student programs,

1329
01:40:33,755 --> 01:40:37,515
to the schools and the school district. This year, this current fiscal

1330
01:40:37,905 --> 01:40:41,905
year, we'll be giving $280,000 back to the schools

1331
01:40:42,815 --> 01:40:46,315
school community, and for school programs for fireworks

1332
01:40:46,955 --> 01:40:50,875
specifically, we gave $19,000 to middle

1333
01:40:51,235 --> 01:40:55,125
school and high school music programs. We love music. We love

1334
01:40:55,325 --> 01:40:59,125
music programs. We know what it does for children. We know

1335
01:40:59,785 --> 01:41:03,645
not only is it like learning a whole foreign language, and so it requires

1336
01:41:04,045 --> 01:41:08,005
a lot of thinking and self-confidence to be able to play music

1337
01:41:08,545 --> 01:41:12,535
in front of hundreds of parents, but it also helps

1338
01:41:12,885 --> 01:41:16,675
with anxiety. So if you think about the stress that

1339
01:41:17,065 --> 01:41:20,885
is both because of academic stress and peer pressure

1340
01:41:21,235 --> 01:41:25,105
that our middle school students and high school students experience music is

1341
01:41:25,365 --> 01:41:29,325
a fantastic outlet for that. That's really why deep, I

1342
01:41:29,605 --> 01:41:33,245
really strongly supports music programs. So that night, where did that

1343
01:41:33,645 --> 01:41:37,225
$19,000 go that we gave to the middle schools and the

1344
01:41:37,755 --> 01:41:41,465
high school emerald high school this year? I'll tell you where it went. So,

1345
01:41:41,895 --> 01:41:45,695
wells middle school, uh, mr. B, as they call him the fantastic music

1346
01:41:46,045 --> 01:41:49,925
teacher, he said by us giving him money, it allowed

1347
01:41:50,965 --> 01:41:54,425
a cost to help their trip to disneyland. So

1348
01:41:55,055 --> 01:41:58,565
let's put it this way. Middle school kids play in a marching band,

1349
01:41:59,225 --> 01:42:03,185
get the dream of marching down main street in disneyland and playing at

1350
01:42:03,405 --> 01:42:07,045
disneyland. That's fantastic. We don't want that to go away.

1351
01:42:07,905 --> 01:42:10,965
um, what does it also do? It allowed us to give

1352
01:42:12,125 --> 01:42:16,105
a electric guitar and an amp to a student who was learning music and

1353
01:42:16,485 --> 01:42:20,485
learning how to play guitar, and she really wanted to learn electric guitar. So that allowed

1354
01:42:20,805 --> 01:42:24,645
her to do that. Um, what is it doing to emerald highs music

1355
01:42:24,925 --> 01:42:28,765
program? It's allowing that brand new high school to be able

1356
01:42:28,965 --> 01:42:32,565
to buy instruments and musical equipment to support schools.

1357
01:42:33,465 --> 01:42:37,245
so what happens if fireworks goes away? Um, that $19,000

1358
01:42:38,075 --> 01:42:42,025
that we gave to those middle school and high school programs goes away. It

1359
01:42:42,245 --> 01:42:45,725
goes away. And we will try to find other ways to make up that money.

1360
01:42:46,425 --> 01:42:50,375
but we want and deep, I wants to continue to support music

1361
01:42:50,725 --> 01:42:54,465
programs because the benefit to the dublin students, the

1362
01:42:54,845 --> 01:42:58,115
children of dublin, and particularly to help the anxiety

1363
01:42:58,865 --> 01:43:02,665
and, you know, the stress that kids are under, music is a fantastic outlet.

1364
01:43:03,415 --> 01:43:07,325
thank you very much. Thank you, mayor. The

1365
01:43:07,545 --> 01:43:09,185
next speaker is dennis rel.

1366
01:43:20,145 --> 01:43:23,795
good evening mayor, members of the council. My name is dennis val, I'm president of without

1367
01:43:24,515 --> 01:43:28,345
communications. And for the more than three decades I've

1368
01:43:28,635 --> 01:43:32,025
worked with california cities, counties, fire

1369
01:43:32,795 --> 01:43:36,375
agencies, law enforcement, the office of the state fire marshal, uh,

1370
01:43:37,415 --> 01:43:40,425
on fireworks, safety enforcement, and public education.

1371
01:43:41,435 --> 01:43:45,295
I submitted a detailed letter to you regarding tonight's staff report, and

1372
01:43:45,515 --> 01:43:49,315
I appreciate the opportunity to briefly summarize its key points.

1373
01:43:50,055 --> 01:43:53,965
let me start with what I believe is the most important issue, and I want to compliment

1374
01:43:54,365 --> 01:43:58,285
jordan for the addition in the powerpoint because initially the staff

1375
01:43:58,585 --> 01:44:02,285
report did not clearly distinguish between the impacts caused

1376
01:44:02,745 --> 01:44:06,445
by illegal fireworks versus those associated with state fire marshal

1377
01:44:07,165 --> 01:44:11,065
approved, safe and sane. The distinction matters because it

1378
01:44:11,285 --> 01:44:15,285
drives policy, it drives enforcement, it drives the strategy,

1379
01:44:15,785 --> 01:44:19,765
and it drives the cost allocation. The overwhelming majority of police

1380
01:44:20,005 --> 01:44:23,955
and fire deployment costs described in the report are driven by illegal

1381
01:44:24,545 --> 01:44:28,435
aerial fireworks, not the ground-based, safe and sane products sold

1382
01:44:28,785 --> 01:44:32,525
by dublin's nonprofits. Those enforcement costs would largely

1383
01:44:33,025 --> 01:44:36,405
remain, even if dublin banned safe and same fireworks altogether.

1384
01:44:37,145 --> 01:44:41,065
cities that have done so can attest to that. Which brings me

1385
01:44:41,285 --> 01:44:45,085
to cost of recovery. The staff report points to union cities a potential

1386
01:44:45,605 --> 01:44:49,335
model. I wanna make very clear about the example. Union

1387
01:44:49,755 --> 01:44:53,445
city had previously attempted to recover its full 4th of july, police

1388
01:44:53,865 --> 01:44:57,605
and fire deployment costs through public records requests and legal

1389
01:44:58,325 --> 01:45:01,885
analysis under proposition 26 and the sinclair paint case,

1390
01:45:02,945 --> 01:45:06,665
the decis, the decision, uh, was to change the

1391
01:45:07,085 --> 01:45:10,865
approach because the previous, uh, approach had

1392
01:45:11,135 --> 01:45:14,985
improperly shifted. Costs driven by illegal activity onto the

1393
01:45:15,205 --> 01:45:18,965
backs of the nonprofits. Union city ultimately refunded

1394
01:45:19,525 --> 01:45:22,815
approximately $45,000 to its community nonprofits.

1395
01:45:24,225 --> 01:45:27,325
and the nonprofits through the ab 1403

1396
01:45:28,355 --> 01:45:32,245
paid approximately $38,000 the last three years each year,

1397
01:45:33,105 --> 01:45:37,095
uh, to cover, uh, to help supplement and cover city costs. Union

1398
01:45:37,445 --> 01:45:41,325
city now relies on ab 14, uh oh three, which

1399
01:45:41,775 --> 01:45:45,625
authorizes up to 7% surcharge on gross sales to

1400
01:45:45,845 --> 01:45:49,675
fund enforcement without reducing nonprofit proceeds. Equally

1401
01:45:50,165 --> 01:45:53,565
important, dublin currently lacks one of the most effective local enforcement

1402
01:45:54,205 --> 01:45:57,595
tools throughout california, and that's a fireworks social host ordinance

1403
01:45:58,515 --> 01:46:02,465
with a stacking provision in it. I would respectfully suggest the

1404
01:46:02,685 --> 01:46:06,325
city council direct staff to focus on a fireworks social host ordinance,

1405
01:46:07,145 --> 01:46:10,885
an administrative sign, excuse me, citation with stacking

1406
01:46:11,505 --> 01:46:14,765
at a a thousand dollars per violation per device

1407
01:46:15,955 --> 01:46:19,845
cost recovery from the violators, and a lawful use

1408
01:46:20,045 --> 01:46:23,915
of ab 1403 revenues, which could result in as much as $71,000

1409
01:46:25,765 --> 01:46:28,955
annually for the city, with no impact on the revenue generated

1410
01:46:30,225 --> 01:46:33,905
for the non-pro profits, plus another $10,000 in

1411
01:46:34,255 --> 01:46:38,255
sales tax. I'm happy to respond to any. Thank

1412
01:46:38,605 --> 01:46:42,585
you, mayor. I

1413
01:46:42,705 --> 01:46:46,135
have one speaker on zoom and that is sumit agrawal.

1414
01:46:48,765 --> 01:46:51,665
thanks for having me. Um, can you guys hear me?

1415
01:46:52,805 --> 01:46:56,265
please? Go ahead. Okay. Um,

1416
01:46:56,905 --> 01:47:00,555
my name is samita gral. I'm a dublin resident for over

1417
01:47:01,085 --> 01:47:05,035
13 years, and I'm here representing the tri-valley minor hockey association,

1418
01:47:06,175 --> 01:47:10,035
which is a nonprofit that has served this community for over

1419
01:47:10,325 --> 01:47:13,875
20 years. We serve youth hockey kids aged

1420
01:47:14,505 --> 01:47:18,285
six through 18 and help kids build a love for hockey, teamwork

1421
01:47:18,705 --> 01:47:22,005
and discipline. I, myself, am an immigrant at the united states

1422
01:47:22,905 --> 01:47:26,765
and never seen ice hockey before I came here. And through this club,

1423
01:47:27,275 --> 01:47:31,165
both my children have learned to play ice hockey. I have a 10-year-old daughter and

1424
01:47:31,365 --> 01:47:34,095
a 15-year-old son, and both are proud hockey players. Today,

1425
01:47:35,505 --> 01:47:39,045
the funds we raise, support, travel, hockey equipment, and access for many

1426
01:47:39,525 --> 01:47:43,525
families who otherwise could not have afforded it. There is no replacement funding

1427
01:47:43,805 --> 01:47:47,565
sources for this work. And fireworks is by far our largest

1428
01:47:47,945 --> 01:47:51,005
single fundraiser. Every dollar goes back to the program.

1429
01:47:52,155 --> 01:47:55,985
I've participated in this fundraising for the past two years, um, and

1430
01:47:56,405 --> 01:48:00,405
I have celebrated it myself at emerald park. One thing I can say for

1431
01:48:00,605 --> 01:48:03,845
sure, it truly brings our community together.

1432
01:48:04,745 --> 01:48:08,045
so my call to action is simple on the morning of 4th of july.

1433
01:48:09,025 --> 01:48:12,505
please stop by the fireworks booth. It is easy to forget the

1434
01:48:13,045 --> 01:48:16,205
positive vibe and the connection that it creates in our communities,

1435
01:48:17,145 --> 01:48:21,025
and that in the parking lot with the buddhist set up, I fully support the

1436
01:48:21,245 --> 01:48:25,095
strong enforcement against illegal fireworks. Illegal fires

1437
01:48:25,465 --> 01:48:29,365
are a real problem, but I hope that the council does not

1438
01:48:29,525 --> 01:48:33,265
punish community nonprofits here for something they did not create. Please

1439
01:48:33,685 --> 01:48:37,645
help us keep safe and sane fireworks and focus the enforcement where it belongs,

1440
01:48:37,885 --> 01:48:41,835
which is an illegal fireworks. Thanks for your time. I'm happy

1441
01:48:41,955 --> 01:48:44,395
to answer any questions you might have. Thank you.

1442
01:48:46,415 --> 01:48:49,895
I have no more speakers slips, mayor. Yeah, thank you. We'll bring back to our council

1443
01:48:50,435 --> 01:48:53,335
for further, um, discussion on this item.

1444
01:48:54,635 --> 01:48:58,575
you want to go ahead? Sure. Um, happy to go first. So thank you for the, uh,

1445
01:48:59,035 --> 01:49:02,795
to the six speakers, um, for, for sharing their thoughts. Um,

1446
01:49:04,595 --> 01:49:08,195
uh, yeah, so I, I see, excuse

1447
01:49:08,615 --> 01:49:12,495
me, I see fireworks, um, as like, as a, as a very american

1448
01:49:12,655 --> 01:49:16,375
thing. Uh, you know, apple pie baseball hotdog, in my case,

1449
01:49:16,975 --> 01:49:20,795
veggie hotdog. But, um, uh, I, I don't, I don't see,

1450
01:49:21,655 --> 01:49:24,935
I don't really see the need to, um, change what we have going.

1451
01:49:25,735 --> 01:49:29,655
I think the social host ordinance piece of it is something

1452
01:49:29,895 --> 01:49:33,855
that we should look at in specifically around the illegal fireworks

1453
01:49:34,095 --> 01:49:37,935
and, and try to curtail that. I, um, I actually think

1454
01:49:38,365 --> 01:49:42,295
getting rid of safe and sane is gonna increase illegal fireworks 'cause people still

1455
01:49:42,535 --> 01:49:46,395
wanna celebrate and, and it's gonna create more, more of a fire risk. Um,

1456
01:49:48,025 --> 01:49:51,805
uh, second point is just around, uh, kind of digging

1457
01:49:52,075 --> 01:49:55,795
into the numbers of illegal fireworks and some of the surrounding areas and, and kind of tracking that.

1458
01:49:56,565 --> 01:50:00,565
I, I don't think dublin is immune to that, uh, or it clearly is not.

1459
01:50:01,265 --> 01:50:05,165
um, but I'd, I'd be concerned just, or I, I would, uh, I

1460
01:50:05,285 --> 01:50:09,225
would recommend just sort of tracking those numbers and, and making sure that those aren't going up within

1461
01:50:09,745 --> 01:50:13,445
dublin and, and in surrounding areas. Uh, I think the fee

1462
01:50:13,925 --> 01:50:17,185
structure is worth exploring at some point. Um,

1463
01:50:18,365 --> 01:50:22,155
I think we should get a handle on, even if it's in ballpark numbers, what type

1464
01:50:22,445 --> 01:50:26,065
of community benefit we're providing through this. Um,

1465
01:50:26,585 --> 01:50:30,175
you know, if it's in the range of 30 k times

1466
01:50:30,595 --> 01:50:34,385
15, right? Uh, $450,000, that's great. Um,

1467
01:50:34,825 --> 01:50:38,635
you know, they're doing the hard work. They're, they're, they're out there. It's long grueling, sometimes

1468
01:50:39,465 --> 01:50:43,405
hot days , um, and, and, uh, and it's a great way

1469
01:50:43,565 --> 01:50:47,275
to support it. But if it's, you know, single digit thousands times 15 is like,

1470
01:50:48,055 --> 01:50:51,625
we're, we're wasting money, right? Like, we're, we're, we're wasting 75 and

1471
01:50:52,225 --> 01:50:56,115
not capture, or the nonprofits aren't being able to, um, to capture the, capture

1472
01:50:56,605 --> 01:51:00,305
the benefit. So I, I would, I would be supportive of looking at the free fee

1473
01:51:00,685 --> 01:51:04,445
structure, at least capturing ballpark figures in terms of what their revenues

1474
01:51:05,105 --> 01:51:09,105
are, um, where the net is, uh, and

1475
01:51:09,755 --> 01:51:13,685
looking into the social host ordinances and looking at surrounding areas

1476
01:51:14,025 --> 01:51:17,565
and what we might be able to do to curtail, uh, some of the illegal fireworks.

1477
01:51:21,135 --> 01:51:25,065
yeah, go ahead. Thank you. Um, I agree with an awful

1478
01:51:25,305 --> 01:51:29,295
lot of what you said. Um, you can't live in dublin for very

1479
01:51:29,455 --> 01:51:33,055
long and not have worked a fireworks booth. I don't think there's been a year since at least

1480
01:51:34,035 --> 01:51:37,935
2007 that I haven't spent multiple shifts in fireworks

1481
01:51:38,135 --> 01:51:42,095
booths for multiple nonprofits. I mean, it is as much a part of dublin

1482
01:51:42,675 --> 01:51:45,875
as anything else at this point. Um,

1483
01:51:47,225 --> 01:51:51,045
but that doesn't mean we don't look at doing things a little bit differently. I wanna be very clear before

1484
01:51:51,445 --> 01:51:55,365
anybody loses their minds. I'm not in favor of banning safe and st. Fireworks . Um, but I think that

1485
01:51:55,585 --> 01:51:59,525
we, we do want to, um, make sure that we are

1486
01:51:59,645 --> 01:52:03,325
doing it in a way that reflects the, um, current reality

1487
01:52:04,145 --> 01:52:07,905
as opposed to the way we started selling safe and insane fireworks in the, um,

1488
01:52:08,865 --> 01:52:12,205
the, uh, 1980s, which, uh, clearly was not uncontroversial

1489
01:52:13,015 --> 01:52:16,955
since they put two, um, advisory measures on the ballot at that

1490
01:52:17,075 --> 01:52:20,935
time. Um, I do think we need to look at, um, uh,

1491
01:52:21,155 --> 01:52:23,855
potentially a different fee structure. Um,

1492
01:52:25,325 --> 01:52:28,585
I wanna make sure that we are truly capturing the city's

1493
01:52:29,545 --> 01:52:32,755
actual costs for truly administering

1494
01:52:33,715 --> 01:52:37,645
safe and sane fireworks. Um, I think we've heard a couple of things tonight to make

1495
01:52:37,865 --> 01:52:41,745
me say, was 74,000 really the right number? One is, um,

1496
01:52:42,505 --> 01:52:46,425
the public safety piece is, are those the

1497
01:52:46,645 --> 01:52:50,465
right numbers? Um, two, uh, have we accounted for sales tax

1498
01:52:50,685 --> 01:52:54,325
revenue because it, you know, let's make sure that we're really capturing

1499
01:52:54,725 --> 01:52:58,665
the whole thing. But having said that, once we do have a number, um, I, I think that it is,

1500
01:52:59,065 --> 01:53:01,595
um, it's worth exploring. What,

1501
01:53:03,075 --> 01:53:06,855
what are we, what are the people who are not part of those 15 nonprofits?

1502
01:53:07,985 --> 01:53:11,805
um, what are we asking those residents to pay, particularly in light

1503
01:53:12,145 --> 01:53:16,085
of the projected deficit down the road. Um, so I think

1504
01:53:16,165 --> 01:53:19,955
it's worth exploring that. Um, I do think it's worth looking at the social host

1505
01:53:20,245 --> 01:53:24,205
ordinance, um, for multiple, multiple reasons, not just for

1506
01:53:24,525 --> 01:53:28,165
fireworks. I think that, um, what I would love to see is to have the social host ordinance

1507
01:53:28,605 --> 01:53:32,425
come back to us as a separate item so that we can update it. Because I know, um,

1508
01:53:32,645 --> 01:53:36,645
right now it's only about underage drinking. We would like to look at it, um, as it pertains to

1509
01:53:36,965 --> 01:53:40,325
fireworks. I think we would like to look at it as it pertains to, um, potentially

1510
01:53:41,035 --> 01:53:44,925
e-bikes and things of that nature. And, and there may be other things that we wanna, um, make

1511
01:53:45,125 --> 01:53:49,125
sure that it's, um, truly, uh, working for the city of dublin. So I'd love to see

1512
01:53:49,245 --> 01:53:53,205
that come back to us. Um, uh, one of the bulleted

1513
01:53:53,525 --> 01:53:57,525
items in the staff report talks about, um, capping the number of booths available. I think the cap that we

1514
01:53:57,605 --> 01:54:01,505
have currently is fine. We're not bumping up against it now. Keeping it,

1515
01:54:01,825 --> 01:54:05,265
um, tied to the population I think is, is fine. Um,

1516
01:54:06,385 --> 01:54:10,305
the, I can't read my own handwriting here. Oh, that says

1517
01:54:10,745 --> 01:54:14,685
locations. Um, we've heard a bunch of numbers thrown out about

1518
01:54:15,175 --> 01:54:19,075
the amount of money that each nonprofit is making. Um, I

1519
01:54:19,195 --> 01:54:23,115
heard somebody say 19,000. I heard a number, say another, say 25,000. Somebody

1520
01:54:23,345 --> 01:54:27,235
said an average of 30, which I don't think data we have supports, but we don't really know.

1521
01:54:27,855 --> 01:54:31,755
I'm part of a nonprofit who would love to see those numbers. Um, and hasn't, hasn't

1522
01:54:32,115 --> 01:54:35,515
been anywhere near that. And I believe some of that might be tied to location. So I'd love to see,

1523
01:54:36,215 --> 01:54:39,705
um, more information about, um,

1524
01:54:40,265 --> 01:54:44,205
an equitable assignment of booth locations across nonprofits so that

1525
01:54:44,365 --> 01:54:47,785
everybody has an opportunity to be hitting those kind of big numbers. Um,

1526
01:54:50,715 --> 01:54:54,665
you know, if we're doing a lottery for booths, there may be some way to, um, leave

1527
01:54:55,015 --> 01:54:58,935
it less up to chance about which locations. Um, so if the, the staff has any

1528
01:54:59,095 --> 01:55:02,935
ideas around that, um, I'm intrigued with the administrative citation.

1529
01:55:03,595 --> 01:55:06,995
um, I'd love to see, uh, police services come back with, um,

1530
01:55:07,965 --> 01:55:11,915
information about, uh, putting more teeth into, um, the

1531
01:55:12,135 --> 01:55:16,055
illegal fireworks, not just the social host ordinance, but, um, being able to have increasing

1532
01:55:16,495 --> 01:55:20,485
administrative citations on other state law restrictions on how much you can find through

1533
01:55:20,975 --> 01:55:24,455
an administrative citation, but, um, doing as much as we possibly can about that.

1534
01:55:25,035 --> 01:55:28,795
um, and then finally, and, um, I, I do think that it's time that we,

1535
01:55:29,155 --> 01:55:32,875
uh, put an advisory ballot measure out about, um, and

1536
01:55:33,195 --> 01:55:36,995
I'd like to to word it in the affirmative. Do we want to continue the

1537
01:55:37,215 --> 01:55:41,095
sale of safe and sane fireworks in the city of dublin? I think if it hasn't been since the

1538
01:55:41,495 --> 01:55:44,665
eighties, we get multiple emails every year, um,

1539
01:55:45,545 --> 01:55:49,485
to counsel around the 4th of july. Why on earth are we still allowing this? A

1540
01:55:49,605 --> 01:55:53,605
lot of those emails really do tend to be about the illegal ones. And so I'd wanna make sure that

1541
01:55:53,765 --> 01:55:57,685
the ballot language was clear that we were ta that we have no, that it is already

1542
01:55:58,005 --> 01:56:01,905
illegal to, um, shoot off safe and sane, but, um, weigh in

1543
01:56:02,235 --> 01:56:06,125
from the members of the public. Um, and we can talk about if there's

1544
01:56:06,405 --> 01:56:10,365
support for that, whether we want that to be truly advisory or whether we want that to be. I think we would rather have

1545
01:56:10,565 --> 01:56:14,485
an advisory personally, um, whether the public is interested in continuing safe and

1546
01:56:14,645 --> 01:56:18,165
sane. 'cause I do agree that, you know, it's a big part of what makes dub and 4th of july

1547
01:56:18,685 --> 01:56:22,685
double and 4th of july. You know, we, um, and then my last point

1548
01:56:23,025 --> 01:56:27,005
is that, um, with fire and the dumpster fires, I hope that there's a way that

1549
01:56:27,205 --> 01:56:30,265
we can, um, perhaps have park staff, um,

1550
01:56:31,845 --> 01:56:35,735
pour water in those dumpsters every 10 minutes or 15 minutes so that they don't catch on fire in the first place.

1551
01:56:36,395 --> 01:56:40,215
um, and then we don't have to have a firetruck come out. Um, we still are gonna monitor it, but

1552
01:56:40,415 --> 01:56:44,295
hopefully there's a way that we can, um, prevent those fires, um, from catching in the

1553
01:56:44,495 --> 01:56:48,415
dumpsters in the first place. So I think that's, those would be my, that's what I'd like

1554
01:56:48,535 --> 01:56:52,255
to see us do. Thank you. Yeah. You want to make some comments? Yeah. Yeah, sure.

1555
01:56:52,755 --> 01:56:56,655
um, thank you both for those comments. Uh, I agree with a

1556
01:56:56,775 --> 01:57:00,455
lot of them. Um, and I'm just gonna get right down

1557
01:57:00,805 --> 01:57:04,235
into what I think is where we should be focusing. Um,

1558
01:57:05,275 --> 01:57:08,845
and one is focusing on illegal fireworks. Okay.

1559
01:57:09,715 --> 01:57:13,575
um, I was reading the ordinance right now put, and you said it, I was gonna say

1560
01:57:13,775 --> 01:57:17,765
it too. You put more teeth in it. Let's really go after this. That

1561
01:57:18,075 --> 01:57:21,575
is probably the major concern. Uh,

1562
01:57:22,215 --> 01:57:25,455
and, uh, we should put our resources in in, um,

1563
01:57:27,115 --> 01:57:31,075
building that out. Okay. The other thing that, uh, I don't have

1564
01:57:31,235 --> 01:57:34,975
a problem with, and I brought this up, uh, we have a reporting gap. Uh,

1565
01:57:35,495 --> 01:57:39,115
and I, that's the way I'm phrasing it, is that it would be really,

1566
01:57:39,615 --> 01:57:43,135
really good to understand how beneficial, um,

1567
01:57:43,925 --> 01:57:47,905
these services are to the nonprofits. And I would bet that

1568
01:57:48,205 --> 01:57:51,575
these nonprofits would be more than willing to

1569
01:57:52,625 --> 01:57:56,575
provide, uh, information, uh, on, uh,

1570
01:57:56,895 --> 01:58:00,435
how successful they've been. Uh, it's, it's not about the 75

1571
01:58:01,125 --> 01:58:04,905
grand, and it's not about the 0.005, whatever percent. It's

1572
01:58:05,195 --> 01:58:08,035
about incrementally looking at what we're providing

1573
01:58:09,315 --> 01:58:13,075
regardless of what that cost is. And I think this is great.

1574
01:58:13,515 --> 01:58:16,595
I think the multiplier, what I'm, if we're figuring that out, that's a fantastic

1575
01:58:17,635 --> 01:58:21,515
multiplier, but I think it's more about, um, building

1576
01:58:21,695 --> 01:58:25,515
up a little more reporting, uh, with, with the

1577
01:58:25,765 --> 01:58:29,655
nonprofits. And, uh, that's what I would like to see on

1578
01:58:29,875 --> 01:58:33,835
the other side of the coin. So, um, yeah. Very good. Yeah. Thank

1579
01:58:34,155 --> 01:58:37,675
you. Um, council member, marada, do you want to make some comments?

1580
01:58:39,615 --> 01:58:43,435
no additional comments, mayor. Mayor, I wholeheartedly agree with many of the comments made

1581
01:58:43,725 --> 01:58:47,565
by vice mayor josie and council member co, uh, cadre and council

1582
01:58:47,765 --> 01:58:51,725
member mccarsten. Um, I love the deliberation, the focus on what we need to

1583
01:58:51,805 --> 01:58:55,795
do next. So, um, I have no further comments. Thank you. So

1584
01:58:56,125 --> 01:59:00,015
I'll make sta for my comments here. So I heard a lot of good comments

1585
01:59:00,165 --> 01:59:03,575
here, and I do feel we need to focus on the illegal

1586
01:59:04,815 --> 01:59:07,435
fireworks and make sure safety, um,

1587
01:59:08,925 --> 01:59:12,615
fire. We, we want to make sure that's not the issue for us.

1588
01:59:13,595 --> 01:59:16,885
and I do want to say there are a lot of benefits, community

1589
01:59:17,895 --> 01:59:21,435
benefits, as we heard from, um, our, um, public

1590
01:59:22,055 --> 01:59:26,015
speakers today. And I love to hear this. Um, that's a part

1591
01:59:26,135 --> 01:59:29,775
of the things we talk about. We want to find out more now the, now the owning

1592
01:59:30,225 --> 01:59:34,055
about how much you have made from these cells. Also, the stories

1593
01:59:34,555 --> 01:59:38,275
you told us about where you use the money, how that change

1594
01:59:38,835 --> 01:59:42,415
our kids life, how we make our community a better place.

1595
01:59:42,995 --> 01:59:46,755
so we love to hear that in the future. And, um,

1596
01:59:48,475 --> 01:59:52,415
and I, I do want to say beyond what we just talk about, I do feel it's like

1597
01:59:52,655 --> 01:59:56,495
a community spirit. It's like, uh, we celebrate independence

1598
01:59:57,355 --> 02:00:01,095
day, we celebrate the holiday, and we are together because

1599
02:00:01,735 --> 02:00:05,655
I went to parks during that night, and I do see a lot of

1600
02:00:05,865 --> 02:00:09,795
crowd. We get together. We even, we don't have to buy the,

1601
02:00:10,395 --> 02:00:14,195
the save anything fireworks, but we can always watch. So

1602
02:00:14,615 --> 02:00:17,635
I, I feel that's very important to our city, um,

1603
02:00:18,795 --> 02:00:22,205
as a community getting together and celebrate independent

1604
02:00:22,895 --> 02:00:26,815
day together proudly. So that's beyond, um, just a raising

1605
02:00:27,025 --> 02:00:31,005
funds for the non-profit. And so just a, just

1606
02:00:31,295 --> 02:00:35,255
come back to this, um, a few items we want

1607
02:00:35,455 --> 02:00:39,255
to talk about here. So, so I don't, I don't feel we need

1608
02:00:39,495 --> 02:00:43,435
to recover our fees from, from this, um,

1609
02:00:44,515 --> 02:00:47,405
fee structure. The reason is, you know, we celebrate

1610
02:00:48,675 --> 02:00:52,325
st. Patrick day. We celebrate sp splitter. These are cost,

1611
02:00:52,995 --> 02:00:56,935
and this, this, uh, these are the cost for the community. These are

1612
02:00:57,135 --> 02:01:00,975
the cost, um, from the number we put here,

1613
02:01:01,215 --> 02:01:05,215
70,000. I think it's comparable or it's reasonable compared

1614
02:01:05,295 --> 02:01:08,835
to other events, other community events. We, we provide, um,

1615
02:01:09,355 --> 02:01:13,135
the, the finance support. And, but I do care

1616
02:01:13,375 --> 02:01:17,325
about, um, this second item here, the city's social host

1617
02:01:18,045 --> 02:01:21,775
ordinance. I think it will be, be a good idea to look into

1618
02:01:22,055 --> 02:01:25,905
this. Uh, we want to help people, um, responsible especially,

1619
02:01:27,315 --> 02:01:31,085
um, we want to be cautious about this

1620
02:01:31,375 --> 02:01:34,855
illegal, um, fireworks. We want to do educational programs

1621
02:01:35,475 --> 02:01:39,435
as well. So those are the things we think, uh, we, we can look

1622
02:01:39,795 --> 02:01:43,185
into. And for the numbers of both, um,

1623
02:01:43,805 --> 02:01:47,785
I think the number is, is, is already kind of, uh, worked out

1624
02:01:48,065 --> 02:01:51,225
on its own right now. It's not growing up.

1625
02:01:52,185 --> 02:01:56,085
uh, and it's not easy actually. It's not very, very hard, hard work,

1626
02:01:56,785 --> 02:02:00,565
um, and a good network in order to make the nonprofit fundraising

1627
02:02:00,845 --> 02:02:04,785
to work. So I don't think we, we need to do anything there. Um,

1628
02:02:05,145 --> 02:02:08,485
but for the better measure, I don't, I don't feel right now we need a better measure

1629
02:02:09,305 --> 02:02:11,925
to look at this. Again, I don't feel we need this.

1630
02:02:13,775 --> 02:02:17,175
that's how I, I, my comments is, so this is, uh,

1631
02:02:17,815 --> 02:02:21,475
um, just the receive the report, give comments, so we don't need a motion.

1632
02:02:22,545 --> 02:02:26,315
well, it sounds like I, um, there's some direction being provided. So if I could just go through

1633
02:02:26,695 --> 02:02:30,595
yes. Each one. Can I go ahead. Can I add, go ahead. Um, thank you. I forgot

1634
02:02:30,875 --> 02:02:34,755
to mention the fact that the ordinance itself, um, needs a little bit of cleanup.

1635
02:02:35,385 --> 02:02:39,355
it's from 82 ish. Um, and there are, there are

1636
02:02:39,515 --> 02:02:43,375
some things in it that are very outdated. Um, and there are at

1637
02:02:43,595 --> 02:02:47,175
least two practices that are in there that we don't follow, um,

1638
02:02:48,065 --> 02:02:51,895
regarding who can be in the booth, who can work the booth, and the profit sharing in the booth. So

1639
02:02:52,115 --> 02:02:56,055
I would also like to see that come back to us so that we, um, can

1640
02:02:56,575 --> 02:03:00,035
update it. Um, for example, the, um, the deposit,

1641
02:03:02,055 --> 02:03:06,055
put it, take that out, put it in the fee structure, um, so that it, it rises with inflation, if

1642
02:03:06,275 --> 02:03:10,195
that's appropriate. Um, who can work in the booth? Does it really have

1643
02:03:10,355 --> 02:03:14,255
to be only a parent or a spouse of a kid that's in that nonprofit? Um,

1644
02:03:14,635 --> 02:03:18,595
'cause that is not our current practice. Um, there's another piece in there that I brought up

1645
02:03:18,715 --> 02:03:22,675
to staff earlier that I really don't wanna daylight in public that I think is super problematic. So there, there's

1646
02:03:23,075 --> 02:03:27,035
some things about the ordinance that, um, should come back, um, to us, I think as

1647
02:03:27,235 --> 02:03:30,845
well if, if, um, folks are amenable to that as well. Okay. So mayor,

1648
02:03:31,275 --> 02:03:35,215
council members to, to recap and then I need direction on a couple things. Um, the

1649
02:03:35,535 --> 02:03:38,905
soc social host ordinance, uh, we'll look at expanding that. Okay.

1650
02:03:39,615 --> 02:03:43,395
and, uh, cleanup items only on the fireworks ordinance to make sure it's

1651
02:03:43,675 --> 02:03:47,375
current. That makes sense. Um, fee structure. Uh,

1652
02:03:47,855 --> 02:03:50,755
am I being directed to explore a new fee structure?

1653
02:03:57,295 --> 02:04:00,805
okay. For, for now,

1654
02:04:03,355 --> 02:04:04,575
I see two nos and one, yes,

1655
02:04:07,695 --> 02:04:11,655
I am. I, I'm indifferent to that. I think for me

1656
02:04:11,845 --> 02:04:15,535
it's more about understanding what the benefit is to the community.

1657
02:04:16,075 --> 02:04:19,975
and, and that's on my list as well. I mean, is that something you want me to

1658
02:04:20,285 --> 02:04:23,975
explore in conjunction with the benefit to the community? Look at the fee structure or no,

1659
02:04:25,275 --> 02:04:29,135
I have, I have no problem looking at the fee structure. One, two, and,

1660
02:04:29,415 --> 02:04:33,095
uh, council member marada, uh,

1661
02:04:33,455 --> 02:04:37,145
not this time. Okay. Uh, the next thing is,

1662
02:04:38,105 --> 02:04:42,085
uh, getting information on revenues. Uh, we can make

1663
02:04:42,205 --> 02:04:46,135
that part of the application process, but that's part of that

1664
02:04:46,215 --> 02:04:49,175
is understanding the benefit that's provided by the nonprofits. Right.

1665
02:04:50,435 --> 02:04:53,635
can I ask, um, actually the mayor brought up something that, um,

1666
02:04:54,785 --> 02:04:58,755
oftentimes when, um, and I've seen applications before for, for

1667
02:04:58,975 --> 02:05:02,715
other, you know, for healthcare services and the whole bit, and there was it,

1668
02:05:02,985 --> 02:05:06,855
there was the, the benefit, the analytics, and then there was also the stories

1669
02:05:07,135 --> 02:05:10,775
mm-hmm . Okay. Uh, how was, how do you perceive this to be benefiting?

1670
02:05:11,875 --> 02:05:15,645
so I, you know, I don't wanna get too much into the, you know, paperwork

1671
02:05:16,255 --> 02:05:20,255
of all this because, because it can be very toxic, but, um, I didn't have

1672
02:05:20,415 --> 02:05:24,225
a problem with that either to share with us some of the stories us share

1673
02:05:24,575 --> 02:05:28,375
this, like the ones they share we use for the student going to this

1674
02:05:28,615 --> 02:05:32,495
trip. Just, just generally. Yeah. Where, how this another thing,

1675
02:05:32,775 --> 02:05:36,775
I, I, I don't know all the nonprofits, so if they don't want to share,

1676
02:05:37,845 --> 02:05:41,775
it's okay to, you know, like we want to keep, if they want to keep the number

1677
02:05:42,015 --> 02:05:45,015
confidential, that there's sometimes people want to do that.

1678
02:05:46,675 --> 02:05:50,615
so we're not gonna make it part of the application process. Is it optional? Yeah, optional. Yeah.

1679
02:05:50,855 --> 02:05:54,535
it, it gives clarity. Some people don't want to share that number.

1680
02:05:55,115 --> 02:05:58,895
I'd, I'd prefer just having it as part of the application. Yeah. If we're

1681
02:05:59,135 --> 02:06:02,855
collecting data, we need to collect data or, or we, we keep it confidential because I,

1682
02:06:03,295 --> 02:06:06,875
I do see this can be some number financial numbers. People

1683
02:06:07,475 --> 02:06:11,375
may not want to share with the, everybody. Nonprofits have reporting

1684
02:06:11,735 --> 02:06:15,645
requirements on their, you think it's okay if, if they feel okay.

1685
02:06:16,915 --> 02:06:19,005
uh, okay. Next, um, explore

1686
02:06:21,715 --> 02:06:25,435
allocation of booth, um, assignments of locations.

1687
02:06:25,915 --> 02:06:29,745
I, how is it done right now? It's, it's,

1688
02:06:30,105 --> 02:06:33,785
it's . Well, we don't have anything to do with it right now, so we would just have to investigate.

1689
02:06:35,515 --> 02:06:39,295
would we have any control over? I think, I think part of it, uh, according

1690
02:06:40,845 --> 02:06:44,825
to the, to the staff report, part of it is, is the nonprofits working

1691
02:06:45,025 --> 02:06:48,585
it out with a property owner directly. Mm-hmm . So there, there wouldn't be

1692
02:06:49,505 --> 02:06:53,425
a a that can't be equitable. , a lot of it is not them working it out with the property owners. A

1693
02:06:53,545 --> 02:06:57,185
lot of them is working. My understanding of it, having been on that end of it is working it out with

1694
02:06:57,685 --> 02:07:01,465
the fireworks seller who often is the one that contracts with the

1695
02:07:01,785 --> 02:07:04,815
property owner. Oh.

1696
02:07:06,195 --> 02:07:09,915
I think that's investigated the issue of, if you want me to explore it, that's what I'm asking

1697
02:07:10,215 --> 02:07:14,155
for, is to explore the issue. Sure. Okay. Uh, more teeth

1698
02:07:14,395 --> 02:07:17,345
in the admin, uh, citation. Okay.

1699
02:07:19,915 --> 02:07:23,795
advisory ballot measure. I just wanna say a couple things on this. Um, it wouldn't cost us

1700
02:07:24,235 --> 02:07:28,235
anything to put a, a ballot measure on, except the translation

1701
02:07:29,035 --> 02:07:33,035
services, as I recall, are about $15,000 into several

1702
02:07:33,555 --> 02:07:37,505
languages. Uh, if we were to do any outreach to the community in

1703
02:07:37,725 --> 02:07:41,645
the form of postcards, um, off of one we have done in the past, there

1704
02:07:41,925 --> 02:07:45,805
are about, uh, $10,000 per issuance

1705
02:07:46,365 --> 02:07:50,205
of postcards. I'm not saying we would go that route. We obviously would use online methods

1706
02:07:50,505 --> 02:07:54,405
as well, but, uh, those would be the general costs. I wouldn't, we could put that input,

1707
02:07:54,725 --> 02:07:58,685
maybe we put it into like a community survey. Could do that. Yeah. My, my issue,

1708
02:07:59,025 --> 02:08:02,525
my only issue with the community survey is that it's, um, it's less scientific.

1709
02:08:03,145 --> 02:08:07,085
we get the people who are already engaged and not necessarily the people

1710
02:08:07,265 --> 02:08:11,105
who email us after the fact. And we get a lot of that, um, my

1711
02:08:11,525 --> 02:08:15,525
interest in putting it on the, um, the ballot, and, and to

1712
02:08:15,725 --> 02:08:19,365
be clear, I was interested in the general for 2026, because it lowers the cost and ups the

1713
02:08:19,765 --> 02:08:23,545
participation. I wouldn't want us doing any particular outreach around

1714
02:08:23,965 --> 02:08:27,605
it. Yeah. Just asking the question to minimize the cost as much as possible. Yes. There would be translation

1715
02:08:28,045 --> 02:08:31,765
costs. We would be translating ballot measures anyway.

1716
02:08:32,115 --> 02:08:36,105
this adds language that we'd have to translate. And obviously it adds a little bit of, um, john's

1717
02:08:36,675 --> 02:08:40,305
time, um, to make sure that we're wording things in a, in a legal way.

1718
02:08:40,825 --> 02:08:42,865
um, I think that's a fairly small amount

1719
02:08:45,225 --> 02:08:48,925
to make sure that we're reaching all of the community that doesn't come to the meetings, but,

1720
02:08:49,585 --> 02:08:52,855
you know, has weighed in. Um,

1721
02:08:53,995 --> 02:08:57,735
I, that's all I'll say about it. I'm not, I, I think we've asked, we've

1722
02:08:58,085 --> 02:09:02,005
asked advisory in the past, we have a very different community than we had before. I have a feeling I know how

1723
02:09:02,125 --> 02:09:05,645
it's gonna come out, and that's why I'm so interested in, in making sure that we're doing this right, going forward.

1724
02:09:06,225 --> 02:09:10,165
but I don't know for sure. So, um, that's why I think it's worth asking the question on

1725
02:09:10,325 --> 02:09:14,245
this one. Go ahead. Sorry. Um, I'm a little

1726
02:09:14,395 --> 02:09:18,325
slow on this. You wanna, you wanna put something on the ballot? Is that what I'm saying?

1727
02:09:18,945 --> 02:09:22,845
and, and I'm, I'm still seeing that it very difficult to understand

1728
02:09:23,795 --> 02:09:27,605
what it is that you're trying to get at and how that would be phrased. Because when

1729
02:09:27,845 --> 02:09:31,525
you put something on the ballot, you're saying either yes or no. Right? How would, how

1730
02:09:32,145 --> 02:09:36,005
I'm missing something? Um, but you can put a measure on the ballot, and john, if I explain

1731
02:09:36,365 --> 02:09:40,205
this incorrectly, please obviously jump in. You can put a ballot on the measure

1732
02:09:40,465 --> 02:09:44,145
on the, you can put a measure on the ballot, which is binding, and then if

1733
02:09:44,525 --> 02:09:48,205
councils ever wanted to change that in the future, it would take another act of voters.

1734
02:09:49,105 --> 02:09:53,085
um, or you can put an advisory question on a ballot where you're

1735
02:09:53,485 --> 02:09:57,245
getting the input from everybody who votes on that ballot. And so

1736
02:09:57,585 --> 02:10:01,045
my, my ask is that we put an advisory

1737
02:10:01,645 --> 02:10:05,005
question on the general 2026 ballot where we know there's gonna be high participation

1738
02:10:05,705 --> 02:10:09,525
saying, do you support, as an advisory question, do you support

1739
02:10:09,765 --> 02:10:13,725
the city's continued sale of safe, insane fireworks? Because that puts the measure

1740
02:10:13,955 --> 02:10:17,935
that puts this to rest for, you know, quite a while, once we've

1741
02:10:18,385 --> 02:10:22,205
got that answer. Um, that yes, the community is, you know, but it's not something

1742
02:10:22,445 --> 02:10:26,285
that I want the city advocating for one side or the other. It's not something like

1743
02:10:26,595 --> 02:10:30,085
when we've put measures on the ballot where we're saying, this is, this is the city's

1744
02:10:30,645 --> 02:10:34,605
position that we think this is a good idea, and we're going out and, and, you know, we can't

1745
02:10:35,045 --> 02:10:37,845
advocate for once it's on there, but we, we spend a lot of time putting out informational

1746
02:10:39,075 --> 02:10:42,645
postcards and me mess messaging and that kind of thing. I'm simply saying,

1747
02:10:43,485 --> 02:10:47,405
I think we should be asking the question. We do that

1748
02:10:47,605 --> 02:10:50,245
information. Well, then we would have the, we would have

1749
02:10:52,025 --> 02:10:55,725
the opinions of, you know, more than 15

1750
02:10:56,175 --> 02:11:00,055
nonprofits on what they think we should be doing. Because we've heard quite

1751
02:11:00,405 --> 02:11:04,285
a lot that the environment is just different than it was in 88, 82 when the last time they

1752
02:11:04,445 --> 02:11:08,045
asked this question. Um, you know, climate change is different. Wildfire risk is different.

1753
02:11:08,465 --> 02:11:12,385
the, the demographics of dublin or significantly different. Um, and

1754
02:11:12,605 --> 02:11:16,525
we get this question every year. We get emails from people, you read them asking us

1755
02:11:16,725 --> 02:11:20,605
to ban fireworks. So I, I think it's worth asking the question, and I don't

1756
02:11:20,805 --> 02:11:24,795
think it's a very big cost to ask an advisory question. It is still in the hands of council whether

1757
02:11:25,285 --> 02:11:28,965
we take that advice or not. I ask question. Yeah, go ahead.

1758
02:11:29,465 --> 02:11:33,325
if I may comment, john. Oh, I, hang on one sec. John,

1759
02:11:33,745 --> 02:11:37,625
you wanna go for it? Go ahead. I'll let you go and then I'll, I'll follow you.

1760
02:11:38,475 --> 02:11:42,185
okay. Um, I, so I, I don't disagree with, uh,

1761
02:11:42,585 --> 02:11:46,465
uh, vice mayor's request to, to collect the data and, and, and survey. Uh,

1762
02:11:47,485 --> 02:11:51,465
I do think there are multiple avenues in which we can collect the data, because if

1763
02:11:51,685 --> 02:11:55,445
we just put it on the ballot, it is a segment of the population who are

1764
02:11:55,765 --> 02:11:59,685
registered voters. Not everybody is a registered voter in, in, uh, in, in, in

1765
02:11:59,885 --> 02:12:03,555
our city. So we need to also be accounting for their opinion as well, because

1766
02:12:05,085 --> 02:12:08,685
although they may not be registered voters, they have money in their pocket to go buy fireworks.

1767
02:12:09,385 --> 02:12:13,325
so we have to extend and expand the survey to, to get

1768
02:12:13,485 --> 02:12:17,325
the true number and opinion of what we think our residents are feeling.

1769
02:12:18,025 --> 02:12:21,845
so, uh, that's, that's simply my comment. Um, I think there are multiple avenues.

1770
02:12:22,305 --> 02:12:25,925
so we should pursue and have a dialogue about what those avenues

1771
02:12:26,405 --> 02:12:30,205
could be and have staff research them and get back to us on multiple approaches

1772
02:12:30,505 --> 02:12:34,265
to get above the statistical curve of a, of, um, of

1773
02:12:34,525 --> 02:12:37,145
a confidence level of what we think the citizen opinion truly is.

1774
02:12:38,545 --> 02:12:42,465
um, to thank you. Thank you. Um, council member marada, go ahead. Uh,

1775
02:12:42,945 --> 02:12:46,185
so this question is for, for, for john. Um,

1776
02:12:47,115 --> 02:12:50,365
have we done, uh, anything in the nature of an advisory,

1777
02:12:51,545 --> 02:12:55,225
uh, question on the ballot in recent memory?

1778
02:12:56,225 --> 02:12:59,985
not in recent memory, but there have been at least I think, two fireworks, uh,

1779
02:13:00,445 --> 02:13:04,085
advisory measures. And there may have been other in the history of dublin, other advisory measures.

1780
02:13:04,865 --> 02:13:08,065
I'm looking at, marsha, those are the only two we're aware of as

1781
02:13:09,095 --> 02:13:13,035
three of us here, I would advocate for looking

1782
02:13:13,625 --> 02:13:17,525
for outreach methods. And it, it's pretty much what john just said. Uh, at least what I picked

1783
02:13:17,645 --> 02:13:20,905
up from that was that we don't know what the right approach is,

1784
02:13:21,945 --> 02:13:25,765
you know, whether we're hitting the right people, uh, through various

1785
02:13:26,045 --> 02:13:28,465
methods. I'm not sure that, uh,

1786
02:13:30,265 --> 02:13:33,955
a ballot, uh, advisory is the sole

1787
02:13:34,705 --> 02:13:38,605
for best reason. And I think if, if we can just maybe spend

1788
02:13:38,965 --> 02:13:42,845
a little bit of time on, on discussing that, um, a little bit,

1789
02:13:43,265 --> 02:13:47,245
uh, more to flush out what that best method is, because I, I, I agree with

1790
02:13:47,405 --> 02:13:51,285
you. I think the question should be asked, but, uh, I mean, we,

1791
02:13:51,505 --> 02:13:55,405
we can't go about our business and not ask that question. As you pointed out very clearly,

1792
02:13:56,345 --> 02:14:00,265
uh, things have changed since 1982. Um, and, and

1793
02:14:00,485 --> 02:14:04,235
in all fairness, uh, we would be, uh, uh, deficient

1794
02:14:05,025 --> 02:14:08,845
in our ways if we didn't ask these questions. This is what

1795
02:14:09,045 --> 02:14:12,525
we, this is what we're pay the big bucks for, right? So, um, I would

1796
02:14:13,285 --> 02:14:17,205
advocate for, um, talking a little bit more about

1797
02:14:17,445 --> 02:14:21,375
what that method might be. Yeah, I'm fine with that. I, I just wanna make

1798
02:14:21,495 --> 02:14:25,015
sure that we, we come back with a method that is, um, statistically significant

1799
02:14:25,635 --> 02:14:29,455
as opposed to simply, um, an opt-in survey on a website or something

1800
02:14:29,655 --> 02:14:33,495
like that. I think the beauty of capitalism is that the dollars speak,

1801
02:14:33,845 --> 02:14:37,025
right? If if people are buying, then they're supportive of it. So,

1802
02:14:38,555 --> 02:14:42,495
and, and also about the questions we have to, um, consider,

1803
02:14:42,845 --> 02:14:46,725
because I heard you just mention question is, should we sell

1804
02:14:47,515 --> 02:14:51,415
the safe thing? And for

1805
02:14:51,635 --> 02:14:55,595
me, it's not about we sell or we don't sell it. For me, it's a,

1806
02:14:55,905 --> 02:14:59,875
like, do we allow the fireworks to, in

1807
02:15:00,115 --> 02:15:04,055
our city, in the city parks and the yeah, I meant, as opposed

1808
02:15:04,215 --> 02:15:08,035
to wording it, should the city ban ban? I meant to, to my

1809
02:15:08,375 --> 02:15:11,215
question. I wanted it to be on the I see. I see. Yeah. So, so another

1810
02:15:12,765 --> 02:15:16,455
information I want to bring to you, because I actually, I, I, I did a multi years

1811
02:15:17,115 --> 02:15:20,855
of volunteers on this thing. I, I know it's important for a lot of people,

1812
02:15:21,435 --> 02:15:25,335
and I know it's, uh, it's, it's, it's a spirit for a lot of

1813
02:15:25,495 --> 02:15:29,455
people. And I actually don't say, what are the additional information

1814
02:15:30,155 --> 02:15:34,055
we, we were trying to get out of this. We already heard speakers today, and we say

1815
02:15:34,215 --> 02:15:37,635
emails, we talk to people, and we can always go

1816
02:15:38,275 --> 02:15:42,175
on analyst, you know, put a lot of effort, a lot of, for, that's additional

1817
02:15:43,025 --> 02:15:46,895
stuff, time and additional cost as well to, we can, we can

1818
02:15:47,055 --> 02:15:50,325
go down the rabbit hole to dig into data, get more.

1819
02:15:51,595 --> 02:15:55,195
but I don't say like how effective we use our time, just trying

1820
02:15:55,615 --> 02:15:59,475
to get more data, get everything from what I heard, discussion of

1821
02:15:59,695 --> 02:16:03,105
the consult today. From what I heard from the public speaking today,

1822
02:16:04,255 --> 02:16:07,895
I think we, we like to keep, that's what I heard too. We like to continue

1823
02:16:08,275 --> 02:16:12,095
the, the fire, the safe financing, fireworks. We want to

1824
02:16:12,305 --> 02:16:16,215
focus on illegal, like managing the illegal ones. I, I don't

1825
02:16:16,475 --> 02:16:19,815
see how does that information, like, because

1826
02:16:20,515 --> 02:16:23,685
if information is always comes with a cost,

1827
02:16:24,575 --> 02:16:28,555
I don't say why. That's a focus of what we, we trying to do. Put our

1828
02:16:28,825 --> 02:16:32,305
money and effort on that. So that's my, my

1829
02:16:33,085 --> 02:16:36,905
argument of putting a ballot there. Um, if we put in

1830
02:16:37,285 --> 02:16:41,265
a survey questions, I don't say why not? Because we do surveys every year. We

1831
02:16:41,485 --> 02:16:45,375
do this anyway. And I think that's easy way and not disturbing

1832
02:16:46,065 --> 02:16:50,045
way, um, to get the information. That's how I

1833
02:16:50,165 --> 02:16:54,085
feel. I just want to, want to add advocate for that. If

1834
02:16:54,365 --> 02:16:57,305
we do need that information for me. I don't feel we need that information.

1835
02:17:01,735 --> 02:17:03,675
I'm good with direction. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

1836
02:17:06,675 --> 02:17:10,495
we're good. Okay. Uh, should we take a, because

1837
02:17:11,005 --> 02:17:14,515
we do have another item about the safety thing.

1838
02:17:15,365 --> 02:17:17,035
should we take like three minutes break?

1839
02:17:19,485 --> 02:17:23,245
I don't think we can run through very quickly. We have more questions. So we have

1840
02:17:23,605 --> 02:17:27,565
a very important agenda item. Let's take a three minutes break and come back.

1841
02:17:28,295 --> 02:17:28,645
thank you.

1842
02:17:49,395 --> 02:17:53,115
well, this is tv 30. I'm gonna count you in in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

1843
02:17:57,865 --> 02:18:01,775
I'll continue our, um, discussion on this new

1844
02:18:01,995 --> 02:18:05,645
agenda. Item 8.2 to

1845
02:18:06,065 --> 02:18:09,655
w library, civic center, public art mural project,

1846
02:18:10,495 --> 02:18:14,335
artwork, election. Uh, good evening. I'm

1847
02:18:14,555 --> 02:18:17,975
mayor I, members of the city council, sean kowski, parkland community services. Um,

1848
02:18:18,895 --> 02:18:22,875
I'm gonna do my best to power through this without coughing all over the microphone. Um, the item for

1849
02:18:23,075 --> 02:18:27,035
you tonight is the dublin library, uh, public art mural project. Um, I'm gonna,

1850
02:18:27,225 --> 02:18:31,155
it's kinda a two part presentation. I'm gonna run through some background, and then I'm actually gonna turn

1851
02:18:31,275 --> 02:18:34,075
over to the artist. Um, we'll let them run through, uh, their proposal.

1852
02:18:35,765 --> 02:18:39,705
uh, so this project kicked off with the adoption of the 24, uh, through 29,

1853
02:18:40,685 --> 02:18:44,015
uh, capital improvement program, uh, which included, uh, project pa 0 1 2 5,

1854
02:18:44,825 --> 02:18:48,485
which is outdoor murals. This project earmarked funding for,

1855
02:18:49,285 --> 02:18:53,005
uh, planned in future projects. We kind of, we had our eyes kind of on this, uh,

1856
02:18:53,665 --> 02:18:57,505
location on this mural opportunity. At the same time, you know, there potentially some

1857
02:18:57,705 --> 02:19:01,345
future mural opportunities. Um, so this kind of set aside funding resources,

1858
02:19:01,885 --> 02:19:05,845
um, for us to kinda hit the ground running, um, in early 25, uh,

1859
02:19:06,065 --> 02:19:09,905
staff, recent rfq, uh, we received 31 responses from muralist,

1860
02:19:10,565 --> 02:19:14,225
uh, that were interested in this project. And then potentially future projects,

1861
02:19:15,485 --> 02:19:19,345
um, in may of 25. And I, there's an asterisk here. This is, um, kind of a, something

1862
02:19:19,865 --> 02:19:23,745
new that we tried, uh, with this project. Um, we took an item to the heritage and

1863
02:19:23,945 --> 02:19:27,725
culture arts commission to, uh, present to this spec talk more

1864
02:19:28,215 --> 02:19:32,145
about specifics of this project. Um, so from that meeting, uh,

1865
02:19:32,555 --> 02:19:36,525
with input from staff, from the, uh, from the library, we developed

1866
02:19:37,245 --> 02:19:41,225
a project theme, uh, some, uh, specific project goals. Um,

1867
02:19:41,445 --> 02:19:45,305
those are included with your staff report. I'm gonna show 'em a little bit on the next slide as well. Um, but

1868
02:19:45,725 --> 02:19:49,285
really just trying to be specific and kind of hone in where we wanted to go with this project.

1869
02:19:53,985 --> 02:19:57,765
um, that brought us into the selection committee phase. Uh, first meeting,

1870
02:19:58,385 --> 02:20:02,185
uh, was in june. And at this meeting, the selection committee, which dan hoc

1871
02:20:02,405 --> 02:20:06,275
meeting, uh, um, made up of, uh, community members. They

1872
02:20:07,005 --> 02:20:10,785
reviewed the project goals that were developed and the 31 artists, uh,

1873
02:20:11,175 --> 02:20:14,885
portfolios. Uh, from there, they selected five finalists who were invited

1874
02:20:15,225 --> 02:20:18,605
to develop site specific proposals. At the second

1875
02:20:19,365 --> 02:20:22,785
selection committee meeting in august. Um, again, they reviewed project goals and

1876
02:20:24,205 --> 02:20:28,155
received presentations from the five finalists. Um, at that meeting, they

1877
02:20:28,445 --> 02:20:32,285
recommended three for consideration. Uh, that brought us to

1878
02:20:32,885 --> 02:20:36,645
september 25, which was the, um, some, again, with the matric

1879
02:20:36,925 --> 02:20:40,205
there. Something new that we tried was a public outreach kind of, uh, comment period.

1880
02:20:41,065 --> 02:20:44,725
um, so the goal of this was really just to, to bring awareness to the project.

1881
02:20:45,465 --> 02:20:49,325
um, try to, you know, drum up some engagement, you know, educate the

1882
02:20:49,485 --> 02:20:53,085
community on the city's public art program. Um, and an overwhelming response. Over 700

1883
02:20:53,965 --> 02:20:57,765
responses, um, were received. Um, I do wanna note that obviously, that the data

1884
02:20:58,495 --> 02:21:01,745
700 comments was a lot. You know, it's not statistically valid. Um,

1885
02:21:02,625 --> 02:21:05,885
we have no necessarily guarantee that these were dublin residents,

1886
02:21:06,705 --> 02:21:10,325
um, and they were really just looking at renderings.

1887
02:21:11,155 --> 02:21:15,045
they weren't really seeing the full artist proposal. Um, so like, I think

1888
02:21:15,165 --> 02:21:19,055
what you'll see tonight is you'll see the pictures, but you also hear kind of the narrative in this story behind it, which

1889
02:21:19,405 --> 02:21:22,865
I think kind of helps maybe frame, um, you know, where, where the vision is.

1890
02:21:23,665 --> 02:21:27,605
um, that brought us to, uh, the november 25 heritage and call

1891
02:21:27,725 --> 02:21:31,605
arts commission meeting. Again, we reviewed project goals and objectives. Uh, the heritage commission

1892
02:21:32,365 --> 02:21:36,085
reviewed the three finalists proposals that were recommended by the s committee,

1893
02:21:36,785 --> 02:21:40,005
and they ultimately selected the recommend or the selected the proposal

1894
02:21:40,905 --> 02:21:44,265
by rough edge collective, um, is the recommendation, um, tonight. So,

1895
02:21:44,945 --> 02:21:48,225
uh, brings us to the last bullet point, is tonight, uh, here for city council review

1896
02:21:49,425 --> 02:21:50,445
and, um, approval.

1897
02:21:56,565 --> 02:22:00,465
um, again, this is a, it's a lot of text up there. Uh, but the, the theme

1898
02:22:00,845 --> 02:22:04,585
for the project was, our story begins with imagination. And just kind of, kind of highlight

1899
02:22:04,905 --> 02:22:08,505
some of the, um, you know, some of the words here, writing the represent representation

1900
02:22:09,285 --> 02:22:12,985
of cultural diversity, generational change, you know, a mural that conveys,

1901
02:22:13,465 --> 02:22:16,725
you know, growth, imagination, collective journeys, um,

1902
02:22:18,005 --> 02:22:21,345
you know, controlled vibrancy. Um, one of the things that really stuck out

1903
02:22:22,045 --> 02:22:26,005
was, uh, the heritage commission was, please, please, please don't let this just

1904
02:22:26,165 --> 02:22:29,805
be a, you know, a painting of the inside of a library. You know, we don't want to just see, you know,

1905
02:22:30,555 --> 02:22:34,425
bookshelves full of books and, you know, computers, whatnot. Um, so

1906
02:22:34,695 --> 02:22:38,365
again, you know, a mural that conveys, you know, or inspires imagination, wisdom, knowledge,

1907
02:22:39,385 --> 02:22:43,335
um, you know, a mural that can be interpreted, you know, from different perspectives. So again,

1908
02:22:43,685 --> 02:22:47,585
this was, this was included of the staff report, and this was kind of the basis of all

1909
02:22:47,865 --> 02:22:50,925
the, um, you know, the, the selection process.

1910
02:22:52,665 --> 02:22:56,625
uh, just for a little bit of context, uh, about 25 foot long, uh,

1911
02:22:56,845 --> 02:23:00,725
12 by 14, uh, wide or tall and wide. It's about 950 square

1912
02:23:01,005 --> 02:23:01,885
feet, um, all around.

1913
02:23:05,835 --> 02:23:09,815
and again, I, I included this. This is from the city's public art master plan. Um, you know,

1914
02:23:09,895 --> 02:23:13,695
as we're looking at artists and, uh, artwork selection, you know, works that

1915
02:23:13,935 --> 02:23:17,935
obviously are qualified professional harvest, high quality, appropriate to site enhanced public spaces,

1916
02:23:18,715 --> 02:23:22,395
uh, permanence, um, that includes, you know, resistance to

1917
02:23:22,765 --> 02:23:26,525
vandalism, you know, it can be maintained. Um, work

1918
02:23:26,875 --> 02:23:30,695
is consistent with city and community values and city's mission vision. And then obviously,

1919
02:23:30,975 --> 02:23:32,655
work that's, you know, safe for public display.

1920
02:23:36,155 --> 02:23:39,595
um, that concludes, uh, my presentation. And I want to introduce, um,

1921
02:23:41,015 --> 02:23:43,775
mj and joshua from the rough edge collective, and they're gonna run through,

1922
02:23:45,355 --> 02:23:46,455
um, their slides.

1923
02:23:50,465 --> 02:23:54,295
hello. Um, okay. Thank you for having

1924
02:23:54,555 --> 02:23:58,545
us. Um, here's a little background on us.

1925
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my name is maria jose mj lindo lawyer, and I'm joshua lawyer.

1926
02:24:03,525 --> 02:24:07,045
and, uh, we're really excited to have the opportunity to come, uh,

1927
02:24:07,615 --> 02:24:11,125
talk about a proposal. Um, we're really, really,

1928
02:24:11,805 --> 02:24:14,425
um, excited about the work, and yeah, thank you.

1929
02:24:17,485 --> 02:24:21,425
and this is, um, kind of the long rendition of, of stories

1930
02:24:21,895 --> 02:24:25,785
told. Our story begins

1931
02:24:26,205 --> 02:24:29,995
with a child completely immersed in a book, transported beyond the page, into

1932
02:24:30,285 --> 02:24:33,645
new worlds, new ideas, and the lives of people from different cultures,

1933
02:24:34,475 --> 02:24:38,465
beliefs, and experiences. This design seeks to honor the

1934
02:24:38,685 --> 02:24:42,435
quiet, extraordinary power of stories, the way they reach across borders

1935
02:24:42,925 --> 02:24:46,805
and differences. To touch something deeply human in all of us, books become

1936
02:24:47,165 --> 02:24:50,715
more than pages that become portals weaving connection through curiosity,

1937
02:24:51,595 --> 02:24:55,005
empathy, and wonder. Here we celebrate not only what unites us,

1938
02:24:55,905 --> 02:24:59,685
but also the vibrant spectrum of what sets us apart. In our shared

1939
02:25:00,005 --> 02:25:03,205
stories and our singular voices. We find the true beauty of being human.

1940
02:25:07,245 --> 02:25:11,065
the second figure, the oracle is submitted for approval. This design has been

1941
02:25:11,385 --> 02:25:15,385
revised in response to feedback from the arts council to more accurately represent

1942
02:25:15,645 --> 02:25:19,645
the diversity of dublin's population and the cult. The city's cultural, and,

1943
02:25:20,125 --> 02:25:23,565
I'm sorry, the city's historical and cultural heritage. We anticipate potential

1944
02:25:24,205 --> 02:25:27,485
changing of some of the figures as well as further developing some visuals,

1945
02:25:28,265 --> 02:25:29,285
um, such as the birds.

1946
02:25:32,525 --> 02:25:36,255
the third figure become, uh, the third figure comes from a distant place wrapped

1947
02:25:36,765 --> 02:25:40,665
in the stories of her ancestors. Myths and legends passed down through generations,

1948
02:25:41,745 --> 02:25:45,545
blending memory with magic, history with imagination. Her stories

1949
02:25:45,825 --> 02:25:49,555
immortalized through poems, through, through traditions, through songs,

1950
02:25:50,055 --> 02:25:53,905
epic tales and short stories. She's the mystery that is honest

1951
02:25:54,205 --> 02:25:58,105
and true. The fourth figure

1952
02:25:58,385 --> 02:26:02,345
is a woman defined by strength and unwavering purpose. She moves through the world

1953
02:26:02,505 --> 02:26:05,585
like a force of nature, part superhero, part visionary,

1954
02:26:06,785 --> 02:26:10,705
unafraid to stand for what's right and shape what's possible. She's the one you root for in

1955
02:26:10,825 --> 02:26:14,825
every story, the kind of cool that doesn't chase attention, but commands it. Her confidence

1956
02:26:15,345 --> 02:26:19,285
lingers like a spark you might hope to catch, so you can, you too can

1957
02:26:19,505 --> 02:26:21,545
step forward with the strength you never was yours.

1958
02:26:24,835 --> 02:26:28,805
each of these figures lives in a different world. Yet through the timeless power of storytelling,

1959
02:26:29,435 --> 02:26:33,085
they are connected, finding common ground in the shared language of humanity.

1960
02:26:33,945 --> 02:26:37,845
our goal was to depict figures that felt historic and magical stories that

1961
02:26:38,365 --> 02:26:41,965
captured myths that feel, felt familiar as if someone we grew up with.

1962
02:26:42,505 --> 02:26:46,485
but more importantly, to highlight the importance of storytelling and how this human

1963
02:26:46,725 --> 02:26:49,525
trait allows us to truly find freedom, adventure, and understanding.

1964
02:26:53,145 --> 02:26:57,045
we introduced local birds to add a sense of movement throughout the piece, while a

1965
02:26:57,165 --> 02:27:00,485
red ribbon weaves through the narrative subtly and symbolic symbolically

1966
02:27:01,285 --> 02:27:02,885
connecting the figures across our story.

1967
02:27:06,655 --> 02:27:10,635
uh, the following sides are superimposed images, so you can see kind of how the,

1968
02:27:10,975 --> 02:27:14,895
the piece moves and the narrative. Um, so the narrative starts, and

1969
02:27:15,115 --> 02:27:16,795
you kind of are meant to follow the piece around.

1970
02:27:24,345 --> 02:27:28,085
we wanted, um, this side to feel organic and to transition from

1971
02:27:28,445 --> 02:27:32,325
a cool tone to a warm tone. We wanted the door to remain visible in order,

1972
02:27:32,705 --> 02:27:36,705
um, based on the chemical placard and the understanding that if any issues happen, the

1973
02:27:36,925 --> 02:27:40,005
fire department and any emergency agencies could have easily find the door.

1974
02:27:43,975 --> 02:27:47,085
and that's it. , I've been help. Sorry,

1975
02:27:48,345 --> 02:27:50,625
do we, they here for questions or

1976
02:27:53,115 --> 02:27:57,085
to do that much faster than that thought. Uh, . So happy to, uh, obviously

1977
02:27:57,695 --> 02:28:01,685
on staff and aren aren available for questions. Thank you so much. Thank you. You, congratulations

1978
02:28:02,545 --> 02:28:06,385
for, for being here. Thank you. Because I know it's a lot of process, a lot of sub

1979
02:28:06,605 --> 02:28:10,235
machines, and so great to see you in person because

1980
02:28:10,845 --> 02:28:14,765
I read about you. I was like, wow, you know, thank you for working on this project

1981
02:28:15,185 --> 02:28:19,005
for us. Thank you. So we'll start with the questions. Thank you

1982
02:28:19,265 --> 02:28:23,125
for the presentation. Um, sean, and, and to the two of you. And thank you for

1983
02:28:23,285 --> 02:28:27,265
staying so late. Uh, I just had one question. Um, you, you mentioned the

1984
02:28:27,485 --> 02:28:30,765
red ribbon. I, I didn't see that. I was hoping you could just explain that a little more.

1985
02:28:32,945 --> 02:28:36,625
uh, yeah. During, uh, our, our initial proposal, uh,

1986
02:28:37,305 --> 02:28:41,245
we kind of had potential concepts to pursue. And one of

1987
02:28:41,325 --> 02:28:45,045
the ideas was, uh, to introduce birds as a way of,

1988
02:28:45,545 --> 02:28:49,465
of creating movement through the piece. And kind of, uh, helping with, uh,

1989
02:28:50,525 --> 02:28:54,345
a viewer understand the direction of the narrative. Uh, and we had

1990
02:28:54,765 --> 02:28:58,485
a, a bird carrying a string in. One of our things we mentioned

1991
02:28:58,865 --> 02:29:02,805
was maybe we could have, um, this idea of how you could

1992
02:29:02,965 --> 02:29:06,825
thread each figure through, through this rope that, uh,

1993
02:29:07,145 --> 02:29:10,465
or through this, uh, red string that the bird was carrying. And,

1994
02:29:11,265 --> 02:29:14,585
uh, the arts council mentioned that that was a, a good idea. So we,

1995
02:29:15,785 --> 02:29:19,725
we took that and we kind of had little, little details of each figure

1996
02:29:19,975 --> 02:29:23,885
where they have, uh, a red kind of a string

1997
02:29:24,705 --> 02:29:28,655
in on the character. So each character that the, uh, child

1998
02:29:29,025 --> 02:29:33,025
is reading about and that kind of, um, uh, that color is matched on,

1999
02:29:33,265 --> 02:29:36,845
on the jacket. So this idea of like, they're all kind of,

2000
02:29:37,355 --> 02:29:41,275
there's a through line between them all. Got it. Okay. So more interpretive, less,

2001
02:29:41,905 --> 02:29:45,885
um, yeah. Yeah. Concrete . Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. I

2002
02:29:46,005 --> 02:29:49,925
thought I was missing thing. That'll detail. There's, I appreciate that. And you

2003
02:29:50,045 --> 02:29:53,295
can see it on the last figure too, on the door there.

2004
02:29:54,075 --> 02:29:58,005
yeah. And we, we, we did a redundant bird here,

2005
02:29:58,585 --> 02:30:02,475
uh mm-hmm . But we are gonna replace that bird with another native bird.

2006
02:30:03,025 --> 02:30:06,755
that's the goal. Very nice. Thank you. Thank

2007
02:30:07,105 --> 02:30:10,635
you. Thank you. Questions. I have several. Thank you.

2008
02:30:11,175 --> 02:30:14,935
um, first of all, I really like it. Um, my

2009
02:30:15,355 --> 02:30:18,835
questions are probably more for sean, um, a little bit procedural.

2010
02:30:19,855 --> 02:30:23,695
um, the, the selection committee is

2011
02:30:23,915 --> 02:30:27,795
made up of community members. Is anybody from heritage cultural arts on that selection committee?

2012
02:30:28,305 --> 02:30:31,875
yeah. So we're, we're trying to be intentional. Um, you know, when we put this selection committee together,

2013
02:30:32,535 --> 02:30:36,395
we had a representative from the heritage commission served on that mm-hmm . Um,

2014
02:30:36,655 --> 02:30:39,935
to kind of who would be a liaison mm-hmm . Uh, between, um,

2015
02:30:40,815 --> 02:30:44,395
but then it was, we had member of the del arts collective. It was local, you know, art school,

2016
02:30:44,955 --> 02:30:48,605
business owners. Um, so we're, we try to put together a diverse panel,

2017
02:30:49,295 --> 02:30:53,275
um, of community members. Okay. But only one from, uh, heritage and cultural

2018
02:30:53,395 --> 02:30:57,395
arts. It's not like a subcommittee of heritage and cultural arts that's on that committee in addition to the rest of the

2019
02:30:57,595 --> 02:31:00,725
selection committee. Okay. Um, just from a process standpoint.

2020
02:31:02,295 --> 02:31:06,235
um, and nothing about the art that was selected, just so don't be nervous, ,

2021
02:31:06,625 --> 02:31:10,615
just the, um, the, the process of the art

2022
02:31:11,115 --> 02:31:14,915
selection committee designing the criteria, but not being the decision makers based

2023
02:31:15,155 --> 02:31:19,005
on that criteria. There's something about that that, I mean, I know we continually refining the

2024
02:31:19,165 --> 02:31:23,065
process, um, but maybe having two from heritage and culture arts on

2025
02:31:23,285 --> 02:31:27,045
the selection committee when we are the next time we do this. 'cause I know we've

2026
02:31:27,325 --> 02:31:30,485
had emails, maybe not about, we've had emails about artists that were like,

2027
02:31:31,385 --> 02:31:35,285
we were given criteria. We, we designed to that criteria, and then the people making the choices

2028
02:31:36,475 --> 02:31:40,405
were making choices not based on that criteria. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well,

2029
02:31:41,645 --> 02:31:45,475
I think we tried to be strategic. That's what we went to the heritage commission first. Uhhuh developed

2030
02:31:46,085 --> 02:31:49,725
the criteria. Okay. That carried over. So the selection committee

2031
02:31:50,225 --> 02:31:54,165
saw that. Okay. So the selection committee didn't design the criteria so much, the heritage culture arts

2032
02:31:54,445 --> 02:31:57,565
did. They provided perfect. Okay. Uh, they had an opportunity at the first meeting

2033
02:31:58,625 --> 02:32:02,525
to look at it and weigh in, be as they were developing or looking at the first round mm-hmm

2034
02:32:02,925 --> 02:32:06,705
. But by that point, I mean, it was already there in the second meeting when they were actually making

2035
02:32:07,245 --> 02:32:11,245
a recommendation mm-hmm . That, that was already established. Okay. So they came back to the

2036
02:32:11,565 --> 02:32:15,215
heritage commission meeting or commission. It was all the same, the same criteria shown.

2037
02:32:15,835 --> 02:32:18,505
okay. Good. And then, um, as it, the,

2038
02:32:20,995 --> 02:32:24,935
the public comment process, um, you said it wasn't statistically

2039
02:32:25,415 --> 02:32:29,375
significant and it, um, maybe wasn't even double in residence. Can you talk just

2040
02:32:29,535 --> 02:32:33,355
a little bit more about how, how and where and through what methods we

2041
02:32:33,575 --> 02:32:37,575
collected that public comment feedback? Um, it's traditional. See, we put

2042
02:32:37,735 --> 02:32:41,205
out a news flash, you know, so it gets, it gets broadcasted out. Um, primarily

2043
02:32:41,815 --> 02:32:45,815
I think when a lot of feedback came from actually participants at the library. So we had it displayed as you

2044
02:32:45,935 --> 02:32:49,735
walked into the library. Okay. Um, and it was just, it was an easy qr code to scan, and

2045
02:32:50,155 --> 02:32:54,135
it was just a simple, you know, to be honest, it was a microsoft form. So it was, it was real simple,

2046
02:32:54,375 --> 02:32:58,335
real easy. You didn't need to log in and you mm-hmm . You know, and I don't

2047
02:32:58,535 --> 02:33:02,415
anticipate, you know, you can look at the entries and the data, you know, you can think somebody just stood there 30 times

2048
02:33:02,645 --> 02:33:06,615
over and, you know, put in the same comment. Um, but what we really did, we took

2049
02:33:06,775 --> 02:33:10,655
all that feedback, you know, the 700 plus comments staff, we really tried

2050
02:33:10,855 --> 02:33:14,815
to identify, you know, consistent themes and kind of narratives mm-hmm . And that was then

2051
02:33:15,255 --> 02:33:19,175
provided to the artist, um, ahead of the heritage commission meeting. So that's

2052
02:33:19,415 --> 02:33:23,415
where you saw, you know, the addition of the, the oracle figure. Mm-hmm . Um, you know,

2053
02:33:23,495 --> 02:33:27,335
there was some opportunity there to kind of solicit some of the feedback or take some of that

2054
02:33:27,575 --> 02:33:31,255
feedback into consideration. The heritage commission also saw that

2055
02:33:31,655 --> 02:33:35,635
feedback, and so as they were reviewing the proposals, we're able to, to

2056
02:33:35,855 --> 02:33:39,735
have that as for consideration as well, uhhuh. And what was, um, what was

2057
02:33:39,915 --> 02:33:43,475
at the library, you said it was more conceptual, so it wasn't as polished

2058
02:33:44,035 --> 02:33:48,035
as this, it, it kind of pictures of a printed, I

2059
02:33:48,155 --> 02:33:51,875
don't remember how big on like a display board in the display case, but pictures,

2060
02:33:52,815 --> 02:33:56,675
but similar to similar, yeah. Similar to this as, I mean, obviously not

2061
02:33:56,835 --> 02:34:00,655
these final ones, but this sort of, this, this amount of detail, this amount of

2062
02:34:01,715 --> 02:34:05,435
proposal. Correct. Okay. And then, um, you said the heritage cultural arts commissioner,

2063
02:34:06,055 --> 02:34:09,915
the selection commission saw, was it select committee or heritage and culture arts saw the

2064
02:34:10,195 --> 02:34:13,985
feedback, the heritage commission. 'cause the feedback came

2065
02:34:14,225 --> 02:34:18,085
after, after the select committee. Okay. Um, and you said they saw all the feedback? They saw all the feedback,

2066
02:34:18,265 --> 02:34:22,245
or they saw a summary of the feedback? Summary of the feedback. Okay. Um, so they

2067
02:34:22,405 --> 02:34:25,965
didn't actually get to see the actual comments that were made? No. They didn't see the, the 700

2068
02:34:26,695 --> 02:34:29,965
uhhuh raw comments? No. It was a and why, why not?

2069
02:34:33,215 --> 02:34:37,095
no, I just think it was, you know, staff was looking through the, you know, through

2070
02:34:37,415 --> 02:34:41,135
it and trying to, you know, just, I don't know, maybe consistency, trying to highlight just consistent

2071
02:34:41,535 --> 02:34:45,165
themes, you know, narratives that were there. Mm-hmm . Okay.

2072
02:34:46,855 --> 02:34:50,535
I think there's, I mean, looking at this, there's maybe opportunities. I mean, it's the first time we try something like this, I think. Right.

2073
02:34:51,155 --> 02:34:54,995
you know, thinking through it, you know, maybe there's opportunity like, hey, instead of just doing a survey, you

2074
02:34:55,215 --> 02:34:59,195
know, maybe it's a, you know, night on zoom, you know, with the artists present, you know, so it was, it

2075
02:34:59,415 --> 02:35:02,765
was really us trying to get this, you know, give the community another opportunity.

2076
02:35:04,165 --> 02:35:08,055
yeah. Yeah. We've done a lot of feedback. I mean, I appreciate the idea of going out for feedback, right.

2077
02:35:08,215 --> 02:35:11,735
we've done that in a lot of ways, whether we've done it at, um, uh, something like splatter where we have

2078
02:35:12,475 --> 02:35:16,035
dot boards for a new park, or, you know, lot, lots of different ways we can, um,

2079
02:35:16,675 --> 02:35:20,615
get feedback, which I applaud. I'm just wondering how we're then using that feedback, right. How are

2080
02:35:20,815 --> 02:35:24,655
we, um, giving it to the, you know, how are, how was the

2081
02:35:24,855 --> 02:35:28,795
committee that's recommending to us taking that feedback that we asked for? Right. Um,

2082
02:35:29,215 --> 02:35:33,115
I think that's the extent of my questions for right this minute.

2083
02:35:33,945 --> 02:35:36,695
thank you. Yeah. Thank you. So, questions,

2084
02:35:38,855 --> 02:35:42,615
comments to the lawyers? , I very much appreciated

2085
02:35:43,255 --> 02:35:46,535
your use of colors. I like them a lot. And I like the theme,

2086
02:35:47,435 --> 02:35:51,315
uh, sean question, , thank you. Get

2087
02:35:51,535 --> 02:35:54,515
you guys up. Um, so

2088
02:35:56,005 --> 02:35:59,795
getting back to process, you know, what, what these, these, uh,

2089
02:36:00,235 --> 02:36:04,095
the, the lawyers are very talented, and I think this is, this is

2090
02:36:04,295 --> 02:36:07,795
beautiful. Um, how much, uh,

2091
02:36:08,575 --> 02:36:12,455
I mean, it was a very methodical process, the rfq process, how much effort

2092
02:36:12,875 --> 02:36:16,145
was placed on, uh, seeking out local,

2093
02:36:17,635 --> 02:36:21,465
um, artists from around the tri-valley?

2094
02:36:22,085 --> 02:36:25,605
and, and I, I guess, I mean, you're gonna tell me, but I, I'd like to see,

2095
02:36:26,545 --> 02:36:30,485
I maybe, maybe I'm leading to you, is like, I'd like to see more effort

2096
02:36:31,245 --> 02:36:35,225
in doing that in the future. But how, what was the process? Was it just

2097
02:36:35,375 --> 02:36:39,285
very, very, hey, you got some very talented folks here and yeah. These guys are

2098
02:36:39,505 --> 02:36:43,425
good and let's go with it. Right. That that's part of it. Yeah. Um, I mean, we definitely,

2099
02:36:43,665 --> 02:36:47,645
we, we try to go as broad as possible. Um, you know, a lot of, you

2100
02:36:48,065 --> 02:36:52,025
know, project goals, budget kind of drives where some of the interest is coming from. You know, if we're

2101
02:36:52,225 --> 02:36:56,185
doing a, a $300,000, you know, sculpture project, you know, we're gonna start

2102
02:36:56,425 --> 02:37:00,385
getting international artists that are gonna mm-hmm . Maybe, you know, pique their interest.

2103
02:37:00,925 --> 02:37:04,905
um, I mean, that's something I, I think will kind of open to that.

2104
02:37:04,985 --> 02:37:08,945
we have, and I know some agencies will kind of, depending on, you know, the skies and

2105
02:37:09,105 --> 02:37:12,305
scale of a project, we'll limit it to the nine bay area counties, the state of california,

2106
02:37:13,205 --> 02:37:16,325
you know, western united states. I mean, so that is, that is something we could consider.

2107
02:37:17,355 --> 02:37:21,285
yeah. I'd like to encourage, um, folks, there's some talent in this

2108
02:37:21,405 --> 02:37:25,195
valley and it would be great, uh, where wherever that source is,

2109
02:37:25,515 --> 02:37:29,365
you know, it could be professional artists, it could be even, you know, some of the schools, whatever. Uh, just

2110
02:37:29,775 --> 02:37:33,675
throwing stuff out there. Yeah. Local arts organizations, you, you get some really talented people

2111
02:37:34,115 --> 02:37:37,935
and it would be great, uh, uh, to have folks like that involved in

2112
02:37:38,135 --> 02:37:41,755
other projects. And we do, right. We have 'em various other projects, but

2113
02:37:42,365 --> 02:37:45,365
because they're part of the, they're part of our broadened community.

2114
02:37:46,385 --> 02:37:50,115
right. And I'd like to see that. Yeah. Consideration in,

2115
02:37:50,795 --> 02:37:54,705
in the future is part of the process. That's all. Great job. Thank

2116
02:37:55,055 --> 02:37:58,995
you. . Yeah. So council member marada. Um,

2117
02:37:59,395 --> 02:38:03,295
hi. Thank you, mayor. Uh, sean, two questions for you. And then, uh, one question

2118
02:38:03,555 --> 02:38:07,455
for the artists. Uh, the, uh, first question is the

2119
02:38:07,895 --> 02:38:11,755
location of the, uh, the shed.

2120
02:38:12,225 --> 02:38:15,825
if that, if, for lack of a better term, um, I know where that is. Um,

2121
02:38:16,705 --> 02:38:20,445
uh, what's your consideration for lighting so that, uh, we can

2122
02:38:20,885 --> 02:38:24,765
continue to, to, to share the vibrancy of the colors of the, of

2123
02:38:24,965 --> 02:38:28,765
the artwork? Uh, no direct lighting is planned for this. It'll just

2124
02:38:29,085 --> 02:38:32,765
be, you know, pathway overhead lighting, um, you know, parking lot, safety

2125
02:38:33,245 --> 02:38:37,045
lighting at night that'll, you know, potentially on, on some been on the backside

2126
02:38:37,365 --> 02:38:40,365
pathway lighting, but no additional lighting is planned for this project.

2127
02:38:41,715 --> 02:38:45,685
okay. Is that, uh, just for budget reasons, or we just didn't think about

2128
02:38:45,805 --> 02:38:49,685
it yet? Um, it's, there's definitely a bud. I mean, we, if there, if

2129
02:38:49,845 --> 02:38:53,765
that's of interest, I mean, it's something we could definitely pursue. It's, I mean, obviously there's a budget impact there.

2130
02:38:54,465 --> 02:38:58,245
um, probably significant, you know, in terms of the, of the overall scope

2131
02:38:58,545 --> 02:39:00,645
of this project. Uh, but it's something we could

2132
02:39:03,705 --> 02:39:06,975
okay. Um, that's fine, sean. I'm, you can make it the,

2133
02:39:07,815 --> 02:39:10,775
the, the lower end of things, uh, to consider. Um,

2134
02:39:12,115 --> 02:39:16,015
question number two for you, sean, is, uh, once again, the location of the, of

2135
02:39:16,235 --> 02:39:20,185
the shed. Uh, have you considered how this

2136
02:39:20,765 --> 02:39:24,375
would either be additive to or complementary to

2137
02:39:25,615 --> 02:39:29,495
the, the marketplace that we have during st. Pat's, as

2138
02:39:29,715 --> 02:39:33,555
well as, uh, other, uh, other events that we hold within the, the parking

2139
02:39:33,815 --> 02:39:37,735
lot? Yeah. I mean, it's ultimately when the, the enclosures

2140
02:39:38,255 --> 02:39:42,095
there. Now, it's built, I mean, we definitely lost a little bit of, you know, real estate for st. Patrick's

2141
02:39:42,495 --> 02:39:46,495
safe festival. Um, I mean, my hope is this would maybe enhance that

2142
02:39:46,855 --> 02:39:50,605
a little bit, you know, by bringing art, you know, as people are walking, you know, through the vendor rows

2143
02:39:51,235 --> 02:39:54,685
um hmm. Opposed to just a, a big

2144
02:39:55,285 --> 02:39:59,005
cmu wall. Uh, so maybe bring a little bit of art into st. Pat's

2145
02:40:00,055 --> 02:40:03,945
or it okay. Yeah. Um, you're, you're on the same page

2146
02:40:04,385 --> 02:40:08,265
as me. Um, I'd hate for the, the, the popup tents to, to cover

2147
02:40:08,725 --> 02:40:12,665
the art. That's all the, because of the location, just with circulation and

2148
02:40:12,865 --> 02:40:16,845
fire access. There's no, no tense vendors right in front of that, that

2149
02:40:17,085 --> 02:40:21,085
that stays open. Ah, fantastic. Very good. Thank you,

2150
02:40:21,165 --> 02:40:24,365
sean. Uh, and then, uh, if I may address the artist, if that's possible.

2151
02:40:25,895 --> 02:40:29,735
yes, yes, yes, I would. Please. Uh, good evening. Um,

2152
02:40:30,635 --> 02:40:34,555
I have, uh, just one quick question. Uh, did I hear correctly that

2153
02:40:34,885 --> 02:40:38,775
there are still some efforts and research to finalize on

2154
02:40:39,015 --> 02:40:42,635
the figures themselves? That is correct, yes. Uh,

2155
02:40:43,975 --> 02:40:47,815
I mean, we're gonna be working with the art council and kind of going through that process, which is pretty

2156
02:40:48,535 --> 02:40:52,335
standard usually, at least for us, when we're working on a project, just fine

2157
02:40:52,575 --> 02:40:55,155
tuning everything and being as thoughtful as we can be.

2158
02:40:56,925 --> 02:41:00,745
uh, fantastic. I love it. I just wanted to clarify that, uh, you'll perform

2159
02:41:01,025 --> 02:41:04,985
your own necessary due diligence to, to understand, learn, and to

2160
02:41:05,185 --> 02:41:09,185
observe the diversity of the people, the culture, the dress, uh, of our

2161
02:41:09,505 --> 02:41:13,445
people, of, of dublin. Okay. Uh, uh, that's it, mayor for

2162
02:41:13,665 --> 02:41:17,145
me. Um, I will save my closing comments after public comment.

2163
02:41:17,935 --> 02:41:21,535
okay. Thank you, council member. So thank you. Great work. Thank you. Thank you, jean.

2164
02:41:22,125 --> 02:41:25,695
so I do have a, a couple of questions to ask. So how long

2165
02:41:26,215 --> 02:41:30,025
this kind of, uh, like a artwork can, can stay

2166
02:41:30,265 --> 02:41:33,185
there? Like a, there's a rain, you know, there's a all kind of weather.

2167
02:41:34,615 --> 02:41:38,545
yeah. So, uh, whenever we are painting a mural, our goal is

2168
02:41:38,745 --> 02:41:42,585
to have it last as long as possible. Sun damage is always kind of the pri

2169
02:41:42,965 --> 02:41:46,885
uh, the main issue. And that's kind of the life of

2170
02:41:47,885 --> 02:41:51,805
the paint. And we, we prioritize high quality paint, uh,

2171
02:41:52,085 --> 02:41:55,945
that's meant to be, uh, have additional pigments

2172
02:41:56,385 --> 02:42:00,285
so it can last as long as possible. So, uh, we

2173
02:42:00,505 --> 02:42:03,725
always say like a safe estimate being like 20, 25,

2174
02:42:05,145 --> 02:42:08,745
maybe 30 years, depending on, uh, how much direct

2175
02:42:09,425 --> 02:42:13,245
sunlight it gets. Oh, that sounds good. Yeah. And, and the pigment we use

2176
02:42:13,485 --> 02:42:17,465
is approved by like, caltrans. We've done projects with them where it's like, it's approved,

2177
02:42:17,695 --> 02:42:21,585
it's an approved, um, used material. Yeah. Perfect. Thank you.

2178
02:42:22,125 --> 02:42:26,125
um, so it's just make a small suggestion. You

2179
02:42:26,345 --> 02:42:30,345
said that we are still looking at those, uh, like figures, right? Like the people

2180
02:42:30,555 --> 02:42:34,465
there, we can make some tricks. So I, I trying to balance that.

2181
02:42:34,765 --> 02:42:38,675
we see like three females, one male, you know, one little boy. Maybe

2182
02:42:39,025 --> 02:42:42,765
we can also balance female and a male somehow just for,

2183
02:42:43,165 --> 02:42:46,265
for, for something to consider. If we cannot, we cannot, it's okay.

2184
02:42:47,295 --> 02:42:50,335
okay. Go ahead. Like three minutes, definitely. Yeah. Yeah.

2185
02:42:51,695 --> 02:42:55,555
okay. Yeah, that's just my quick comment, but love the artwork. Thank you. Thank

2186
02:42:55,905 --> 02:42:59,345
you so much. Thank you. Thank you. And do we, do we have public

2187
02:43:00,025 --> 02:43:03,945
comments? I have no speaker, so, okay. So we don't have a public comment that's come

2188
02:43:04,105 --> 02:43:07,985
back. Any more comments we want to make on this one? Yeah, please.

2189
02:43:08,445 --> 02:43:11,345
um, I really love the work. Um,

2190
02:43:12,605 --> 02:43:16,125
I love the colors, I love the theme. I love the idea of the kid reading,

2191
02:43:16,985 --> 02:43:20,825
and then sort of all of these things. Um, I like the explanation of,

2192
02:43:21,185 --> 02:43:25,085
um, what the characters represent. Um, I did ask for and got right

2193
02:43:25,245 --> 02:43:29,185
before the meeting, the, um, the feedback from the public. And,

2194
02:43:29,705 --> 02:43:33,705
um, I know you're still tweaking things. Um, I know you,

2195
02:43:33,965 --> 02:43:37,865
you've read the feedback mm-hmm . The public comment, which the heritage cultural arts kid, and

2196
02:43:38,065 --> 02:43:41,845
I, I hope that you can get that to everybody else on council. But the, um, the

2197
02:43:42,385 --> 02:43:46,245
comments sort of overwhelmingly, the, the theme through the comments, um,

2198
02:43:47,055 --> 02:43:50,785
were, everybody loves it. They love the vibrant colors, um, but the characters

2199
02:43:51,225 --> 02:43:55,005
themselves don't necessarily say dublin to them. Um,

2200
02:43:55,325 --> 02:43:59,265
and so I, I, I love the concept, and I'm hoping that when we get the design

2201
02:43:59,545 --> 02:44:03,045
back, that they will really be reflective of dublin.

2202
02:44:04,205 --> 02:44:07,945
um, because I think that that's the, the, the piece that

2203
02:44:08,225 --> 02:44:11,945
the 700 commenters were saying, this is great, but is it dublin?

2204
02:44:12,885 --> 02:44:16,605
um, and so the, the theme is fantastic. Um, the, the,

2205
02:44:17,025 --> 02:44:20,945
I love the bird. I love the, the thread. I love the fact that, you know, it's

2206
02:44:21,145 --> 02:44:25,145
very clear that his mind is being expanded to all of these

2207
02:44:25,265 --> 02:44:28,575
different things that are not necessarily him, um, through,

2208
02:44:29,295 --> 02:44:33,185
through the artwork. Um, I just, you know, that seemed to be

2209
02:44:33,305 --> 02:44:36,605
the overarching theme that we need these people to be dublin.

2210
02:44:37,605 --> 02:44:40,405
um, I'm not sure exactly what that means, but

2211
02:44:41,685 --> 02:44:45,665
I'm looking forward to that when it comes back to us. Thank you. That's good. Thank you.

2212
02:44:45,815 --> 02:44:49,205
yeah, thank you. Any more comments? More comments from you?

2213
02:44:50,205 --> 02:44:54,115
you sure? Yeah, yeah. Council member ri, so, eight, I appreciate,

2214
02:44:54,885 --> 02:44:58,825
uh, appreciate the artwork. Uh, I really appreciate the outreach and, and public engagement.

2215
02:44:59,345 --> 02:45:02,645
I think that that piece of it's really important. Um, I like the

2216
02:45:03,695 --> 02:45:07,545
playful movement, almost whimsical. Um, I,

2217
02:45:07,825 --> 02:45:11,705
I see the story, and, and it's something that you could, you know, it, it sort

2218
02:45:11,905 --> 02:45:15,845
of unfolds. And the fact that it's gonna be on, on, uh, on the multiple sides, it,

2219
02:45:16,255 --> 02:45:20,125
it's, it's intriguing. Um, yeah, if there's a way to

2220
02:45:21,015 --> 02:45:24,705
make it more dublin, great. Right? Um, I, I don't know. Like,

2221
02:45:25,225 --> 02:45:28,925
I don't want to, uh, sort of force my,

2222
02:45:29,285 --> 02:45:33,225
my thoughts, which, which are probably like a little more literal and less abstract,

2223
02:45:33,645 --> 02:45:37,425
but you're the artist and, and, and I love what you've done. So thank you.

2224
02:45:39,025 --> 02:45:42,795
um, council member morada, uh, thank you, mayor.

2225
02:45:43,495 --> 02:45:47,415
uh, yes. Uh, simply, uh, one comment for sean, and then one for the artist, uh,

2226
02:45:47,705 --> 02:45:51,615
sean, perfect timing, by the way, considering what monday is, uh,

2227
02:45:51,855 --> 02:45:55,435
as a national holiday. Um, great timing on bringing this up. So good work.

2228
02:45:56,335 --> 02:45:59,175
uh, and then comment for the artist. Um,

2229
02:46:00,575 --> 02:46:04,575
I really like how you're using the idea of, of a,

2230
02:46:04,695 --> 02:46:08,695
of a protagonist, uh, learning. And then also the other characters themselves

2231
02:46:09,705 --> 02:46:13,285
are protagonist in their own story. Um, keep it up. That is,

2232
02:46:13,745 --> 02:46:17,725
uh, that is, I think, a very assertive way. Not, not in a bad

2233
02:46:17,925 --> 02:46:21,605
meaning, assertive meaning. It's, it's a great way to show and inspire

2234
02:46:22,385 --> 02:46:25,805
our kids that they too can inspire to be the pro protagonist

2235
02:46:26,545 --> 02:46:30,405
of their own story and be the leaders that they aspire to be. So, thank you very much.

2236
02:46:31,015 --> 02:46:34,825
thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. But we

2237
02:46:35,045 --> 02:46:38,995
do need to make a motion. Do we, we need to make a motion. May

2238
02:46:39,495 --> 02:46:43,455
I approve? I, I move. We approve the conceptual design of the artwork proposed by rough edge collective for the outdoor

2239
02:46:43,955 --> 02:46:47,795
murals project. Thank you. Oh, second. We got the first and second. And

2240
02:46:48,075 --> 02:46:51,155
do the roll, roll call. Councilman marada.

2241
02:46:52,725 --> 02:46:56,045
aye. Council member cadry aye. Councilman horten.

2242
02:46:56,765 --> 02:47:00,675
aye. Vice mayor josie. Aye. Mayor who? Aye. Thank you. Thank

2243
02:47:01,025 --> 02:47:04,865
you so much. Thank you. Wow, that's a good work.

2244
02:47:05,805 --> 02:47:07,795
so, let's move on to agenda item 8.3,

2245
02:47:10,965 --> 02:47:14,535
taking on police activity and ongoing

2246
02:47:15,285 --> 02:47:16,295
public safety efforts.

2247
02:47:26,865 --> 02:47:30,385
well, good evening again, uh, counsel vic fox, uh, chief of police counsel.

2248
02:47:30,875 --> 02:47:34,595
this item is a, uh, an overview of police activity and ongoing public

2249
02:47:34,955 --> 02:47:38,915
safety efforts from dps to protect this community. Um, I have a lot of

2250
02:47:39,035 --> 02:47:42,315
information to go over. I'm gonna try to get through this as quickly as possible.

2251
02:47:45,385 --> 02:47:49,065
so, just for background, um, we track and analyze, uh,

2252
02:47:49,425 --> 02:47:52,925
our data all the time, uh, our operational data to evaluate our service demands,

2253
02:47:53,725 --> 02:47:57,525
allocate resources, and inform our strategic planning. Uh, this

2254
02:47:57,765 --> 02:48:01,685
information is shared with council, provide transparency, highlight trends, and demonstrate how

2255
02:48:01,965 --> 02:48:04,445
dps is responding to community safety needs.

2256
02:48:08,515 --> 02:48:12,295
so, we're gonna jump right in. Sorry about that. We're gonna jump right into police

2257
02:48:12,535 --> 02:48:16,495
activities, so police activities or any operation to

2258
02:48:16,695 --> 02:48:20,695
enforce laws to maintain order and protect the community. And those include our investigations,

2259
02:48:21,955 --> 02:48:25,295
our emergency responses, enforcement of laws, and community policing.

2260
02:48:26,515 --> 02:48:30,295
for this, cate, for this table just below, police activities are divided

2261
02:48:30,575 --> 02:48:33,765
into one of two categories. Community initiated and officer initiated

2262
02:48:34,965 --> 02:48:38,695
community initiated our calls for service that a cso dispatch receives

2263
02:48:39,255 --> 02:48:42,255
from individuals. Uh, reporting an incident within the city of dublin,

2264
02:48:43,435 --> 02:48:47,375
an officer initiated activities or activities that dps officer initiates on their

2265
02:48:47,495 --> 02:48:51,055
own. Now looking at the data from 23 to 24,

2266
02:48:51,585 --> 02:48:55,495
there was a slight increase in community initiated activity, and then it dropped

2267
02:48:55,795 --> 02:48:57,775
off, uh, a little over 6% in 2025.

2268
02:49:00,045 --> 02:49:03,815
officer initiated activity, uh, saw a sharp decrease from

2269
02:49:04,055 --> 02:49:08,025
23 to 24, um, just over 29%, and

2270
02:49:08,245 --> 02:49:10,925
then decreased again in 2025, uh, 12,766,

2271
02:49:12,945 --> 02:49:13,475
or 15.67%.

2272
02:49:20,385 --> 02:49:24,245
let's talk about, uh, call priority levels. So when a call comes in to emergency

2273
02:49:25,055 --> 02:49:28,855
services dispatch, or when an officer takes, uh, a self-initiated activity,

2274
02:49:30,035 --> 02:49:33,915
our, our dispatch program assigns it a priority level. Now,

2275
02:49:34,135 --> 02:49:38,055
the priority levels range from zero to nine. For the purpose of this

2276
02:49:38,255 --> 02:49:42,255
presentation, most of our crime data, the priorities run from one through

2277
02:49:42,455 --> 02:49:45,375
five. I'm gonna go over the other priorities really quick, just so you know what they are.

2278
02:49:48,145 --> 02:49:51,445
so, priority zero are unit emergencies, and these are self-reported

2279
02:49:52,445 --> 02:49:56,285
emergencies by an a cso or dublin police services staff member. Those do not

2280
02:49:56,485 --> 02:49:58,995
come from the community. Uh, for 2025,

2281
02:50:00,775 --> 02:50:04,325
uh, we had seven priority zero calls.

2282
02:50:04,895 --> 02:50:08,795
uh, most of the time, that is an inadvertent activation of the

2283
02:50:08,955 --> 02:50:12,955
emergency button on the officer's radio. So it's just, it's, it's an

2284
02:50:13,235 --> 02:50:16,035
accidental activation. So we have seven of those in 2025

2285
02:50:17,955 --> 02:50:21,875
priority ones. Those are our calls in

2286
02:50:22,315 --> 02:50:26,275
progress. Um, those will

2287
02:50:26,395 --> 02:50:30,325
require immediate response due to imminent public or officer safety issue,

2288
02:50:30,815 --> 02:50:34,515
and they involve injury. And those are gonna be our assault with the deadly weapons,

2289
02:50:35,305 --> 02:50:39,065
robberies, domestic violence, 9 1 1 calls, medical

2290
02:50:40,075 --> 02:50:43,755
emergencies, and even silent commercial alarms, such as those that come from a bank, a panic button.

2291
02:50:47,445 --> 02:50:51,195
moving on to priority two. Priority two are also, um, calls

2292
02:50:51,545 --> 02:50:55,265
that are in progress or just occur, but do not pose an imminent threat.

2293
02:50:56,735 --> 02:50:59,915
and examples of these calls include petty thefts, disturbances,

2294
02:51:00,765 --> 02:51:03,735
suspicious persons, or vehicles, uh, audible alarms,

2295
02:51:04,785 --> 02:51:08,765
traffic collisions with no reported injuries and traffic stops.

2296
02:51:09,135 --> 02:51:12,835
so, um, traffic stops by our officers. Those are priority two incidents.

2297
02:51:18,555 --> 02:51:21,885
so priority three through five. Those are used for, uh, reports,

2298
02:51:22,635 --> 02:51:26,165
uh, and other activities. And these are for incidents that have already occurred. There's

2299
02:51:26,655 --> 02:51:30,615
no threat to the public and no reported evidence of a suspect

2300
02:51:31,015 --> 02:51:34,495
being present. So most of the time it's for our, it's for our cold reports,

2301
02:51:35,395 --> 02:51:38,355
and those would include, uh, auto burglaries, vehicle thefts,

2302
02:51:39,475 --> 02:51:42,775
patrol checks, illegally parked vehicles. That's three through five

2303
02:51:44,095 --> 02:51:47,865
priority six through eight. Those are discretionary used when no other activity codes

2304
02:51:48,215 --> 02:51:52,135
exist. I can tell you for 2025, we had zero incidents of these priority levels.

2305
02:51:53,555 --> 02:51:55,285
and priority nine is used as a test code.

2306
02:51:59,485 --> 02:52:03,475
sorry, it's blocked by the, uh, council member. We're on a screen. Uh, but this table

2307
02:52:03,635 --> 02:52:07,265
right here breaks down, uh, all the calls for service based on

2308
02:52:07,805 --> 02:52:11,135
priority level and for simplicity purposes. Um, those calls

2309
02:52:12,055 --> 02:52:15,565
three through five, we're calling those three plus. So, priority one calls

2310
02:52:16,555 --> 02:52:19,945
from 23 to 24, declined, um, 10.61%,

2311
02:52:21,385 --> 02:52:24,845
and they declined, uh, just under a half percent last year.

2312
02:52:27,315 --> 02:52:30,535
priority two calls, um, also declined, uh, 2.91%

2313
02:52:31,675 --> 02:52:35,465
from 23 to 24, and then declined again. Uh, another

2314
02:52:36,055 --> 02:52:37,715
10.38% in 2025

2315
02:52:40,865 --> 02:52:44,305
priority three plus, again, most of those are reports. The reports

2316
02:52:45,025 --> 02:52:48,025
declined, uh, 28.29% from 23 to 24,

2317
02:52:49,125 --> 02:52:52,385
and declined again, another 12.93% in 2025.

2318
02:52:53,285 --> 02:52:55,345
so less paper, less reports are being taken.

2319
02:53:00,915 --> 02:53:04,895
so response times. So response times are defined as the time, uh, uh, the dispatcher

2320
02:53:05,775 --> 02:53:09,015
dispatches the call and the time the officer arrives at the location.

2321
02:53:10,935 --> 02:53:14,795
so, for the purpose of these stats, we did not include

2322
02:53:15,155 --> 02:53:19,155
officer initiated calls, because the time that the officer sees a

2323
02:53:19,275 --> 02:53:23,035
violation to the time that they are on the detail is almost zero. So that's

2324
02:53:23,555 --> 02:53:27,455
gonna include a business check, a patrol check of a street, or

2325
02:53:27,795 --> 02:53:31,795
a traffic stop. We do not include those in these stats for response

2326
02:53:31,955 --> 02:53:35,675
times. So for priority one calls, uh, as I just discussed,

2327
02:53:36,655 --> 02:53:40,515
uh, there was a slight decline in the response time from seven minutes and 20

2328
02:53:40,675 --> 02:53:43,635
seconds to six minutes and 42 seconds in 2024.

2329
02:53:45,055 --> 02:53:48,995
and that increased about 6% in 2025 to seven minutes and eight seconds.

2330
02:53:52,715 --> 02:53:56,555
priority two calls, uh, increased very slightly from 23 to

2331
02:53:56,755 --> 02:54:00,755
24. And then in 2025, they, uh, increased to, uh, seven minutes

2332
02:54:01,135 --> 02:54:04,675
and 54 seconds, 6.76% increase.

2333
02:54:12,245 --> 02:54:16,125
moving on to reports. So every month, uh, by the

2334
02:54:16,345 --> 02:54:20,185
10th of the month, I believe dps reports all of our data and all of our reports,

2335
02:54:20,645 --> 02:54:24,545
the california department of justice, their crime reporting system, it's called the california

2336
02:54:25,345 --> 02:54:29,145
incident based reporting system, or cybers. And it's aligned with the

2337
02:54:29,595 --> 02:54:33,335
fbi's equivalent, which is the national incident based reporting system, or nbrs.

2338
02:54:34,295 --> 02:54:38,185
nbrs captures a national, uh, snapshot of crime. Cybers captures

2339
02:54:38,665 --> 02:54:42,485
california crime. When the information goes into cybers, uh,

2340
02:54:42,965 --> 02:54:46,705
it is sorted out. And cybers classifies crimes into three

2341
02:54:46,985 --> 02:54:50,125
broad categories based on who or what is primarily harmed.

2342
02:54:53,635 --> 02:54:57,475
the first category is, uh, crimes against person. These are offenses where, uh, the

2343
02:54:57,695 --> 02:55:01,475
victim is an individual, and the crime involves, uh, threatened physical harm. So,

2344
02:55:02,175 --> 02:55:06,085
homicide, robbery, assaults, those are your, your violent, uh, felonies

2345
02:55:06,565 --> 02:55:07,005
for the most part.

2346
02:55:10,575 --> 02:55:14,115
number two is crimes against property. Uh, these offenses, offenses

2347
02:55:14,675 --> 02:55:18,115
involve taking of damage to, or destruction of property, rather than direct

2348
02:55:18,795 --> 02:55:22,725
physical harm to a person. So examples are burglary, theft,

2349
02:55:23,185 --> 02:55:26,035
vandalism, motor theft, fraud, embezzlement,

2350
02:55:27,335 --> 02:55:31,185
et cetera. Just for a few examples. The last is crimes against society.

2351
02:55:32,415 --> 02:55:36,255
and these are offenses that primarily affect public order and

2352
02:55:36,475 --> 02:55:40,395
community safety, rather than, uh, targeting a specific individual or property.

2353
02:55:40,615 --> 02:55:43,865
and these are gonna be drug related offenses, duis, prostitutions,

2354
02:55:44,715 --> 02:55:46,165
public drunkenness, weapons violations.

2355
02:55:52,395 --> 02:55:55,695
so here's our reports for by, by those cybers, uh, classifications,

2356
02:55:56,495 --> 02:56:00,455
those three categories, and again, and I think I may have mentioned

2357
02:56:00,735 --> 02:56:04,615
it, but the stats that we're giving you, uh, for this

2358
02:56:04,815 --> 02:56:08,705
presentation, or through the month of november, as I mentioned, those stats

2359
02:56:09,475 --> 02:56:12,055
are due to the state by the 10th of the month. So the 10th of january

2360
02:56:13,575 --> 02:56:17,565
would've been for december. It was too late for the staff report. So

2361
02:56:17,785 --> 02:56:21,505
crimes against persons declined 1.17% from 23 to 24,

2362
02:56:22,055 --> 02:56:25,275
another 3%, 3.5% for 2025

2363
02:56:27,015 --> 02:56:30,755
crimes against property, uh, increased slightly from 23

2364
02:56:31,235 --> 02:56:35,055
to 24, 7 0.36%, and then it declined, uh,

2365
02:56:35,275 --> 02:56:39,015
20.78% in 2025 crimes

2366
02:56:39,435 --> 02:56:43,145
against the society, uh, decreased from down

2367
02:56:43,565 --> 02:56:46,995
8.65% and then decreased substantially

2368
02:56:47,895 --> 02:56:49,275
in 2025, down 28.53%.

2369
02:57:00,295 --> 02:57:00,805
sorry about that.

2370
02:57:04,355 --> 02:57:08,205
okay, so these are reports taken by type. Uh, these are

2371
02:57:08,645 --> 02:57:12,415
specific categories. These are not all the reports that dublin police services took. These

2372
02:57:12,765 --> 02:57:16,665
are the categories of reports that the city publishes annually in the annual report.

2373
02:57:18,465 --> 02:57:22,235
uh, before I go over these numbers, I do wanna mention that

2374
02:57:22,745 --> 02:57:25,675
all the numbers that were given you are not always necessary

2375
02:57:26,845 --> 02:57:30,765
singular events. For example, aggravated assault for 2025,

2376
02:57:31,745 --> 02:57:34,305
it shows 70 incidents. Um,

2377
02:57:35,895 --> 02:57:39,855
so if, for an example, so if we go to a domestic violence call, we

2378
02:57:40,075 --> 02:57:43,875
had twenty, a hundred twenty nine of those, uh, and the victim is injured

2379
02:57:44,195 --> 02:57:47,915
and, and sustained an injury, that incident is gonna count as a domestic

2380
02:57:48,315 --> 02:57:51,355
violence and an aggravated assault, if that makes any sense.

2381
02:57:52,545 --> 02:57:56,325
so it may not just be 70 incidents of aggravated assault. Aggravated assault

2382
02:57:56,595 --> 02:58:00,525
also includes assaults on officers. Uh, if we arrest somebody for

2383
02:58:00,845 --> 02:58:04,765
ddui, and there's a child in the car that's aggravated assault, so

2384
02:58:04,985 --> 02:58:08,745
those numbers might be a little bit misleading, but just how the, the data is inputted and

2385
02:58:09,105 --> 02:58:12,505
reported. So, aggravated assaults, um,

2386
02:58:14,515 --> 02:58:17,605
decline slightly and then raised to 70 last year, 12%

2387
02:58:18,645 --> 02:58:22,565
increase. Arsons remain relatively the same, eight to six to seven,

2388
02:58:24,805 --> 02:58:28,475
going down to burglaries. Uh, the burglary line represents

2389
02:58:28,895 --> 02:58:32,875
all the burglaries that occurred in the city of dublin. Those are commercial burglaries. Those are residential

2390
02:58:33,435 --> 02:58:36,875
burglaries, burglaries from the school, you name it, it's all of them.

2391
02:58:38,135 --> 02:58:42,035
so those increase, uh, from 23 to 24, 18

2392
02:58:43,075 --> 02:58:46,755
0.18%, and then it declined to an overall number of 77

2393
02:58:48,215 --> 02:58:52,015
for 2025, or a 34.19% decrease in

2394
02:58:52,235 --> 02:58:54,875
total burglaries in, in the city of dublin.

2395
02:58:56,375 --> 02:59:00,175
now, we differentiated of those numbers, uh, residentials. So

2396
02:59:00,505 --> 02:59:03,755
residential, uh, increase by one from 23 to 24,

2397
02:59:05,015 --> 02:59:09,015
uh, 2.63%, and then increased to 43 for

2398
02:59:09,235 --> 02:59:12,395
2025, or a 10.26% increase.

2399
02:59:14,965 --> 02:59:18,805
moving on to domestic violence has stayed relatively the same. 1 22 to

2400
02:59:19,025 --> 02:59:22,225
1 21 and then increased to 1 29 in 2025,

2401
02:59:23,205 --> 02:59:27,205
6% increase. Uh, homicides

2402
02:59:27,565 --> 02:59:31,165
have stayed the same for the last, uh, three years. I do want to note that the 2025

2403
02:59:32,325 --> 02:59:36,265
homicide in delvin was a tragic case of a drug overdose by one of our, our

2404
02:59:36,845 --> 02:59:40,675
citizens. Um, and due to prop 36, uh, laws,

2405
02:59:41,345 --> 02:59:45,045
if an individual sells illegal drugs that result in death, they can be charged with

2406
02:59:45,485 --> 02:59:49,365
homicide. Uh, rapes have

2407
02:59:49,655 --> 02:59:53,495
gone from eight to nine and 2324, and then increased,

2408
02:59:54,315 --> 02:59:58,005
uh, to 12 in 2025. Moving

2409
02:59:58,485 --> 03:00:02,305
on to robberies, uh, robberies went from 43 to 41 in 2024,

2410
03:00:04,525 --> 03:00:07,945
and then went down to 40, uh, estimated in 2025.

2411
03:00:09,695 --> 03:00:13,665
what I do wanna note is the line below that says sds. Now, sds is a

2412
03:00:13,785 --> 03:00:17,045
type of robbery that's, that's recognized by california law.

2413
03:00:18,135 --> 03:00:22,065
and, uh, estess robberies generally originate from

2414
03:00:22,395 --> 03:00:26,155
a simple theft. So if a subject walks into a store and they steal

2415
03:00:26,455 --> 03:00:30,395
an item, it's a misdemeanor theft returns into a robbery is if a

2416
03:00:30,515 --> 03:00:34,355
store employee, or if a loss prevention agent confronts that person

2417
03:00:35,055 --> 03:00:38,035
and they're threatened or they're assaulted, that now becomes,

2418
03:00:39,135 --> 03:00:42,905
uh, a robbery. So if you take estess robberies

2419
03:00:43,515 --> 03:00:47,315
that occur from simple theft from our total robberies, 40 minus

2420
03:00:47,635 --> 03:00:50,085
21, that's down to 19 robberies.

2421
03:00:52,955 --> 03:00:56,845
sex offense is, uh, went from 21 to 20 and

2422
03:00:57,065 --> 03:01:00,885
2024, and then increased to 26, 30% increase in 2025.

2423
03:01:03,655 --> 03:01:07,645
shoplifting increased significantly from 23 to 24, and

2424
03:01:07,865 --> 03:01:11,625
then dropped significantly in 2025. It dropped 31% last

2425
03:01:11,905 --> 03:01:15,685
year. Stolen vehicles, uh, went from

2426
03:01:15,985 --> 03:01:19,965
1 37 to 1 59 and then had a good decline

2427
03:01:20,365 --> 03:01:21,665
in 2025, down 25.79%.

2428
03:01:24,815 --> 03:01:28,605
theft from a motor vehicle or auto burglaries, 1 79 down

2429
03:01:28,885 --> 03:01:32,735
to one 30, and then another decrease down to 1 28 in

2430
03:01:32,955 --> 03:01:32,955
2025.

2431
03:01:43,755 --> 03:01:47,475
'cause another, the council likes comparisons. Uh, this is how we measure up with our

2432
03:01:47,875 --> 03:01:51,715
neighbors. So, uh, green means improvement. Red means it got worse. Yellow means

2433
03:01:52,035 --> 03:01:55,555
it stayed the same. So looking at, uh, aggravated assault,

2434
03:01:56,375 --> 03:02:00,165
uh, we rose slowly, slowly, livermore improved. And then

2435
03:02:00,485 --> 03:02:03,765
pleasanton and san ramon, uh, did a little worse last year.

2436
03:02:05,595 --> 03:02:08,965
arsons, um, we went up by one. Livermore

2437
03:02:09,815 --> 03:02:12,375
improved. Pleasanton and san ramon did worse

2438
03:02:15,075 --> 03:02:19,065
burglaries, as I mentioned. We went from one 17 down to seven. Seven. We improved.

2439
03:02:19,455 --> 03:02:23,425
livermore improved significantly. Pleasanton improved. They went from

2440
03:02:23,585 --> 03:02:27,545
1 55 down to 1 42, a lot higher than us. And then san ramon,

2441
03:02:28,245 --> 03:02:32,175
uh, rose a. Little bit. Residential burglary,

2442
03:02:33,195 --> 03:02:37,035
we went from 39 to 43, didn't do better. Um,

2443
03:02:38,005 --> 03:02:41,295
livermore got worse. Pleasanton got worse, and so did san ramon.

2444
03:02:47,175 --> 03:02:51,145
uh, homicide, uh, we stayed the same. Livermore

2445
03:02:52,115 --> 03:02:55,955
reported zero homicides through november, but they did have a one in december. So they finished the

2446
03:02:56,155 --> 03:03:00,135
year with one. Uh, pleasanton went from one to two. And

2447
03:03:00,735 --> 03:03:04,675
san ramon, I believe I not looking at my slides, I think they went from

2448
03:03:04,835 --> 03:03:08,315
zero to one total robberies.

2449
03:03:09,185 --> 03:03:13,045
uh, we went from 41 to 40 improvement. Livermore

2450
03:03:13,935 --> 03:03:17,575
improved. Uh, pleasanton improved slightly, and ceremony

2451
03:03:18,055 --> 03:03:18,055
improved

2452
03:03:23,275 --> 03:03:26,205
sex offenses. Uh, double went up by six. Livermore

2453
03:03:27,775 --> 03:03:31,555
improved pleasanton, um, a little more than doubled. And

2454
03:03:31,995 --> 03:03:35,955
san ramon, uh, went up by five stolen vehicles. We

2455
03:03:36,175 --> 03:03:39,575
had an improvement there. Livermore had an, uh, a good improvement.

2456
03:03:40,535 --> 03:03:44,515
pleasanton had an improvement, and so san ramon saw all four cities

2457
03:03:45,235 --> 03:03:49,135
did well, uh, and then auto burglary. We improved.

2458
03:03:49,485 --> 03:03:53,415
livermore improved. Pleasanton improved, and so does san so improvements in those two

2459
03:03:53,575 --> 03:03:53,575
categories.

2460
03:03:58,615 --> 03:04:01,705
again, arrests. This is a table of our arrests that are included in the annual report.

2461
03:04:02,945 --> 03:04:06,685
not all the arrests. These are the ones that we report every year. So,

2462
03:04:07,445 --> 03:04:10,945
uh, our aggravated assaults in 2025, we had 55 arrests

2463
03:04:11,525 --> 03:04:15,525
up from, uh, 35, uh, 82 arrests for domestic violence up

2464
03:04:15,745 --> 03:04:19,235
from 84. Uh, duis declined 34%

2465
03:04:20,305 --> 03:04:24,275
down to 84 from 1 28. Firearms

2466
03:04:24,835 --> 03:04:28,805
possession went from 29 to 33. Narcotics possession

2467
03:04:29,275 --> 03:04:31,705
went from one 12 to 1 44.

2468
03:04:33,705 --> 03:04:37,595
uh, cases of shoplifting arrests went from 5 44 down to 4 72.

2469
03:04:39,545 --> 03:04:43,315
uh, our warrant arrests also declined from 3 95 in 2024 down

2470
03:04:43,605 --> 03:04:43,825
to 2 81.

2471
03:04:51,075 --> 03:04:54,655
and firearms data. So firearms possession arrests,

2472
03:04:55,235 --> 03:04:58,895
uh, those went up a little bit. Those are basically individuals that

2473
03:04:59,255 --> 03:05:02,975
we catch in. Car stops with, with firearms, they're not supposed to have. Firearms

2474
03:05:03,535 --> 03:05:07,495
recover is a little bit, it depends on how you interpret the data. So you can

2475
03:05:07,575 --> 03:05:11,475
see firearms recovered in 2023, went from 180 5 down to to

2476
03:05:11,695 --> 03:05:15,375
56. Well, in 2023, we did have a case where we seized

2477
03:05:15,735 --> 03:05:19,055
130 firearms in one, in one case. That kind of skewed the numbers.

2478
03:05:20,235 --> 03:05:24,135
and then 2025 we recovered. 116. I can tell you there's

2479
03:05:24,415 --> 03:05:28,135
one case we recovered 12. So we're recovering multiple firearms

2480
03:05:28,695 --> 03:05:32,335
from, from some of these cases. So those numbers are a little hard to interpret.

2481
03:05:33,515 --> 03:05:37,515
so carrying on

2482
03:05:37,735 --> 03:05:41,735
some of our, uh, proactive strategies, um, we, we are heavily

2483
03:05:42,175 --> 03:05:46,175
involved in our neighborhood watch program. We currently have, um, 85 block captains,

2484
03:05:47,115 --> 03:05:50,935
uh, around, around the, uh, the town. Um, and that, that program

2485
03:05:51,395 --> 03:05:55,125
has reduces crime opportunities and builds trust between the community and police. It's

2486
03:05:55,415 --> 03:05:59,015
a resident based program, but we've had it for a long time. It's done very well.

2487
03:06:00,605 --> 03:06:04,495
our business watch program is something we started within the last year. It's

2488
03:06:04,825 --> 03:06:08,725
a, a partnership between dps and local businesses to improve safety in

2489
03:06:08,945 --> 03:06:12,765
commercial areas. Um, we give businesses guidance on

2490
03:06:12,985 --> 03:06:16,905
crime prevention and environmental design. Uh, the businesses will authorize

2491
03:06:17,685 --> 03:06:21,655
us to enforce trespassing laws after hours, and they sometimes

2492
03:06:22,265 --> 03:06:25,825
will volunteer their, uh, security cameras that we can use in investigations.

2493
03:06:29,445 --> 03:06:33,385
uh, dare has been around for a long time. It's offered all sixth graders in the city of dublin. It's

2494
03:06:33,665 --> 03:06:37,505
taught by trained dps officers. It focuses on substance abuse prevention,

2495
03:06:38,665 --> 03:06:42,665
violence reduction, and decision making skills, uh, supports long-term crime

2496
03:06:42,985 --> 03:06:46,795
prevention and youth safety. Our

2497
03:06:47,015 --> 03:06:50,895
public safety cameras have been around for, um, about eight years right

2498
03:06:51,175 --> 03:06:55,025
now to solve crimes. They, they help us locate stolen vehicles, uh, uh,

2499
03:06:55,245 --> 03:06:59,125
missing persons and suspects leak to serious crimes. Uh, they provide

2500
03:06:59,445 --> 03:07:03,365
real time information during emergencies, allowing us to respond faster

2501
03:07:03,785 --> 03:07:07,725
and more safely. In 2025, we have been transitioning over

2502
03:07:07,965 --> 03:07:11,525
to flock technology, replacing old infrastructure that's been around for eight years.

2503
03:07:12,745 --> 03:07:16,235
uh, those cameras, that project should be pre done, done here pretty soon.

2504
03:07:16,825 --> 03:07:20,245
and when that's done, we're gonna have a network of 90, uh, cameras,

2505
03:07:20,955 --> 03:07:23,005
both, uh, a lpr and situational awareness.

2506
03:07:28,515 --> 03:07:32,375
our real time, uh, crime center is our hub over at the pd. Uh, we have a crime technician

2507
03:07:32,895 --> 03:07:36,775
that monitors camera, feeds, license plate data, calls for service, and does

2508
03:07:37,055 --> 03:07:40,935
crime analytics in one location. Um, she's able to provide

2509
03:07:41,215 --> 03:07:44,935
officers with real time intelligence on their way to calls for faster

2510
03:07:45,655 --> 03:07:49,535
response times, better situational awareness, improved officer and public

2511
03:07:49,835 --> 03:07:49,835
safety.

2512
03:07:59,355 --> 03:07:59,355
so

2513
03:08:04,045 --> 03:08:07,985
peregrine technology is a new platform that we're working on now. We're building it out to,

2514
03:08:08,265 --> 03:08:12,085
uh, to, to where we want it. Uh, peregrine is basically a program

2515
03:08:12,315 --> 03:08:16,155
that interfaces with our current systems. It interfaces with our report writing system, with

2516
03:08:16,445 --> 03:08:20,405
our dispatch system, and with county networks, and basically takes all the information

2517
03:08:21,585 --> 03:08:25,445
and provides it into a format that makes sense. It provides it in,

2518
03:08:25,665 --> 03:08:29,645
in, in a way that we can run these crime stats very quickly.

2519
03:08:30,865 --> 03:08:34,565
um, it helps identify crime patterns and repeat

2520
03:08:35,085 --> 03:08:38,925
offenders. It improves investigations and, and, uh, decision making, especially

2521
03:08:39,405 --> 03:08:43,015
with the deployment of our resources. Uh, it reduces time spent

2522
03:08:43,705 --> 03:08:47,325
on, on manual reporting. So traditionally, our officers every month

2523
03:08:47,875 --> 03:08:51,805
provide a stat sheet that they, that they fill out monthly. Once we get

2524
03:08:51,925 --> 03:08:55,805
this peregrine uh, program up and running to where we want it,

2525
03:08:55,945 --> 03:08:59,745
we can run all the officers stat sheets, uh, to get their numbers and

2526
03:08:59,965 --> 03:09:03,845
not have to rely upon them the self reporting. And I think that'll improve some of our officer

2527
03:09:04,165 --> 03:09:05,965
initiated activities that we were talking about earlier.

2528
03:09:09,755 --> 03:09:13,495
so other ongoing prevention measures. Um, dps

2529
03:09:14,015 --> 03:09:17,895
conducts regular retail theft operations with local businesses. We have great

2530
03:09:18,095 --> 03:09:22,035
relationships with dick's sporting goods and target, and we work with them to

2531
03:09:22,575 --> 03:09:26,255
prevent retail theft by, by, uh, doing targeted enforcement there.

2532
03:09:26,995 --> 03:09:30,755
uh, we do enforcement on tobacco and alcohol related, uh,

2533
03:09:31,875 --> 03:09:35,675
um, establishments using our grant funding. Our

2534
03:09:35,895 --> 03:09:39,115
crime prevention unit supports detectives, serves, warrants and assist patrol.

2535
03:09:40,715 --> 03:09:44,615
and, uh, we've also, uh, reassigned many of our swing vehicles to kind of

2536
03:09:44,835 --> 03:09:48,735
ups staff some of our patrol beats that are experiencing, uh, increases in crime

2537
03:09:48,935 --> 03:09:51,855
right now. Those are some of the proactive measures that we're taking.

2538
03:09:57,805 --> 03:09:59,345
uh, I think that's it. There we go.

2539
03:10:02,335 --> 03:10:06,305
that I'll be happy to take your, uh, questions. Thank you

2540
03:10:06,445 --> 03:10:10,125
so much. It's a lot of effort. It's very comprehensive report.

2541
03:10:10,565 --> 03:10:14,075
thanks. Uh, so we start with questions. I

2542
03:10:14,905 --> 03:10:18,605
you want to go ahead council member? Sure. Thank you for the presentation chief.

2543
03:10:19,185 --> 03:10:22,645
um, got, uh, a couple questions.

2544
03:10:23,305 --> 03:10:27,185
um, so the first is kind of going through, uh,

2545
03:10:27,815 --> 03:10:31,595
going through the, the, the numbers. The thing that stuck out is residential

2546
03:10:32,415 --> 03:10:36,285
burglaries are up, shop shoplifting is down. Dui is down.

2547
03:10:37,185 --> 03:10:41,125
um, what could we be doing more of on the residential burglary

2548
03:10:41,875 --> 03:10:45,805
side? Uh, I know you mentioned the neighborhood watch program, but beyond that,

2549
03:10:45,995 --> 03:10:49,925
what, what could be, what could we be doing more of to, to kind

2550
03:10:50,045 --> 03:10:53,825
of get numbers like the shoplifting and the dui, you know, get going in the, in

2551
03:10:54,165 --> 03:10:57,405
the negative trend? So the, the residential burglaries,

2552
03:10:58,345 --> 03:11:02,285
um, it, it, it, it's tricky 'cause it, it, it fluctuates between the

2553
03:11:02,485 --> 03:11:06,355
west and east side of town. And what we found that works is saturating areas with

2554
03:11:06,645 --> 03:11:10,165
high visibility of patrols to deter crimes. So I think if

2555
03:11:10,685 --> 03:11:14,385
criminals see enforcement action taking place, if they see

2556
03:11:14,915 --> 03:11:18,775
cars parked in the area, it's gonna deter them from, from doing

2557
03:11:19,125 --> 03:11:23,045
something in that area. It just involves reallocating our resources and leveraging

2558
03:11:23,525 --> 03:11:27,045
what we have, uh, using even school resource officers

2559
03:11:27,565 --> 03:11:31,525
in the crime prevention unit to up staff certain beats to get

2560
03:11:31,845 --> 03:11:35,565
more staffing up there. Um, and, but that, and working with our neighborhood

2561
03:11:35,925 --> 03:11:39,585
watch programs, I think will, will be beneficial to, to

2562
03:11:40,165 --> 03:11:43,745
lowering some of these numbers. Uh,

2563
03:11:44,705 --> 03:11:48,385
and any, any thoughts, uh, around drone technology and,

2564
03:11:49,545 --> 03:11:53,315
uh, trying, trying to aid in, in some of, some

2565
03:11:53,605 --> 03:11:54,895
of the recovery or, or prevention?

2566
03:11:57,715 --> 03:12:01,035
so, drone technology is a tricky one. Um, we,

2567
03:12:01,755 --> 03:12:05,575
we use a lot of drone technology when the situation warrants it.

2568
03:12:06,155 --> 03:12:09,015
um, our policies are very specific about the use of technology.

2569
03:12:10,435 --> 03:12:13,575
um, we can't arbitrarily fly a drone over neighborhoods.

2570
03:12:14,595 --> 03:12:18,205
um, some people will consider that invasion and privacy. We do, however,

2571
03:12:18,955 --> 03:12:22,175
use drones heavily when there is a call. Um, and, and we have several

2572
03:12:23,135 --> 03:12:27,135
operators within the department that have drones that can use that technology. But we have to be

2573
03:12:27,215 --> 03:12:31,175
very careful when we deploy that technology 'cause we have to report that every

2574
03:12:31,375 --> 03:12:35,145
year, um, to the board of supervisors. Got it.

2575
03:12:36,005 --> 03:12:39,985
uh, and then my final question is, um, kinda going back to the

2576
03:12:40,185 --> 03:12:43,545
public safety cameras. Uh, I know the information

2577
03:12:45,175 --> 03:12:49,065
that the crime statistics are reported to the state and make them

2578
03:12:49,655 --> 03:12:52,885
make their way up to the, to the fbi mm-hmm . Databases.

2579
03:12:53,985 --> 03:12:57,845
um, could you talk about how the public safety

2580
03:12:58,165 --> 03:13:02,095
cameras are used and, and where that data might go? The

2581
03:13:02,315 --> 03:13:06,235
public safety cameras? Right. So the public safety cameras, you have

2582
03:13:06,355 --> 03:13:10,155
the, um, you have the a lpr, the license plate readers, and then you have,

2583
03:13:10,495 --> 03:13:14,425
um, the situational awareness cameras. Um, I'll, I'll address real

2584
03:13:14,715 --> 03:13:18,715
quick how they might be used. So we, um, we have a

2585
03:13:18,835 --> 03:13:22,485
network of cameras and within california, california

2586
03:13:23,475 --> 03:13:27,435
agencies are allowed to share with one another. Um, our policies

2587
03:13:27,635 --> 03:13:31,435
say that we can't share without a state. We can't share with immigration. We can't,

2588
03:13:31,735 --> 03:13:35,595
uh, aid investigations for people seeing, seeking gender affirming care

2589
03:13:35,775 --> 03:13:39,325
or reproductive care. So within the state of california, we can all share

2590
03:13:40,415 --> 03:13:44,315
the agencies that have cameras, we can share the data. So I

2591
03:13:44,435 --> 03:13:48,355
can share a story that we kind of explain how the stuff benefits us.

2592
03:13:49,295 --> 03:13:52,635
um, about a month ago, we had a,

2593
03:13:53,915 --> 03:13:57,835
a grand theft at dick's sporting goods, where four individuals went in there and they stole

2594
03:13:58,035 --> 03:14:01,975
$5,000 in nike apparel. A witness got

2595
03:14:02,275 --> 03:14:06,175
a, a good license plate on the car. Uh, that plate was

2596
03:14:06,415 --> 03:14:10,015
put in to our system as a suspect vehicle. Um,

2597
03:14:11,135 --> 03:14:14,625
10 minutes later, that vehicle hit in the city of livermore going towards brentwood.

2598
03:14:16,055 --> 03:14:19,855
so we were able to get units looking after that car. We had a, um,

2599
03:14:20,355 --> 03:14:23,155
alameda county sheriff's office airplane and the air heading towards,

2600
03:14:24,415 --> 03:14:28,395
uh, brentwood. That suspect vehicle ended up going to antioch. And we were

2601
03:14:28,515 --> 03:14:32,435
able to coordinate with antioch pd, with the alameda county sheriff's office, playing with our

2602
03:14:32,595 --> 03:14:36,555
units to, to successfully apprehend all four of those individuals and return all that property.

2603
03:14:37,535 --> 03:14:41,475
so that's one example of how those cameras can help. As far as

2604
03:14:41,635 --> 03:14:45,635
the data goes, the data belongs to us for the, um, for the

2605
03:14:46,105 --> 03:14:49,805
lprs. Um, that data is retained for 30 days unless

2606
03:14:50,165 --> 03:14:54,085
it's used for an investigations purpose. Um, and the same thing

2607
03:14:54,245 --> 03:14:58,125
with the situational cameras. That data is retained for 30 days. If we pull it for investigations,

2608
03:14:58,405 --> 03:15:02,365
it has to be for our reason. Got it. So if, if I could

2609
03:15:02,725 --> 03:15:06,725
summarize, um, the information is used solely by

2610
03:15:06,945 --> 03:15:10,755
dublin and then across california agencies,

2611
03:15:11,015 --> 03:15:14,185
but does not go beyond that. Correct. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Yeah,

2612
03:15:17,845 --> 03:15:21,555
thank you. Um, thank you for, uh, this very detailed

2613
03:15:22,015 --> 03:15:25,865
report with a ton of data. Um, yeah, as somebody mentioned earlier, council

2614
03:15:26,415 --> 03:15:29,375
is data nerds. Um, and so we love to see our data. Um,

2615
03:15:30,915 --> 03:15:34,605
and you gave us a lot of it. This report had a lot of what,

2616
03:15:35,395 --> 03:15:38,755
but not a lot of why. Um, and

2617
03:15:40,155 --> 03:15:43,605
without a narrative to go along with data, sometimes we draw our own conclusions.

2618
03:15:44,505 --> 03:15:48,245
so there's a, a few questions I wanna ask you. And if you don't know the why, that's okay. Okay.

2619
03:15:48,525 --> 03:15:52,455
sometimes we don't know, um, the, there's a

2620
03:15:52,575 --> 03:15:56,135
huge drop in officer initiated contact or officer initiated activities.

2621
03:15:56,655 --> 03:16:00,255
sorry, I chose the wrong word there. Um, do you have a narrative around why that is?

2622
03:16:01,685 --> 03:16:05,605
did we change a policy or people just behaving themselves and the officer aren't, or

2623
03:16:05,825 --> 03:16:09,345
the easy answer is we're, we're we're doing less activities, stopping less cars.

2624
03:16:10,005 --> 03:16:13,905
no, I, I, um, I, I've pondered that for the last month since

2625
03:16:14,185 --> 03:16:17,785
we started getting these preliminary numbers. I don't have an exact answer, but I do have some,

2626
03:16:18,455 --> 03:16:21,975
some what I believe are contributing factors. If you'd like to hear them, I'd love to hear them. Okay.

2627
03:16:22,685 --> 03:16:26,465
so, um, as far as like, let's start with, uh, community initiated activities.

2628
03:16:27,205 --> 03:16:30,965
so those, those are down a little bit, and I think one of the reasons why is, um,

2629
03:16:31,285 --> 03:16:35,265
you know, I think crime down, I don't crime is down in the state of california. And

2630
03:16:35,465 --> 03:16:39,465
if you look at the california doga report from 2024 about state of crime in

2631
03:16:39,665 --> 03:16:42,765
california mm-hmm . It's down. Mm-hmm . Um, violent crime's down 6%,

2632
03:16:44,745 --> 03:16:48,465
property crime's down 8.4%, homicides down 10%, aggravated

2633
03:16:48,785 --> 03:16:52,305
assault, six and a half. Motor vehicle theft, 15% burglary,

2634
03:16:52,915 --> 03:16:56,645
statewides down 9.1% and robberies down 6.3%.

2635
03:16:57,645 --> 03:17:00,485
so that's just starting there with statewide stats. Um,

2636
03:17:02,025 --> 03:17:05,725
contributing factors, um, there's a few that I have. Uh, number one,

2637
03:17:06,965 --> 03:17:10,755
uh, our officers and officers statewide.

2638
03:17:11,745 --> 03:17:15,665
um, there is a, a, a very heavily increasing administrative

2639
03:17:16,565 --> 03:17:20,525
burden on them in their day-to-day activities. Um, they have a

2640
03:17:20,645 --> 03:17:24,055
lot more reporting requirements in the reports. They have to constantly

2641
03:17:24,725 --> 03:17:28,605
look at their body-worn camera footage and annotate it. Uh, they have to

2642
03:17:29,095 --> 03:17:32,925
spend probably another three to four minutes after every car stop putting in stop data

2643
03:17:33,165 --> 03:17:36,845
that's required by the state. Uh, talking to my officers,

2644
03:17:38,545 --> 03:17:42,315
booking somebody at the santa rita jail, a process that used to take 15 minutes.

2645
03:17:42,735 --> 03:17:46,715
now it takes 45 minutes to an hour just waiting for medical clearance. That's, if

2646
03:17:46,875 --> 03:17:50,335
you think about that, that's a lot of time spent out outside of their car.

2647
03:17:51,055 --> 03:17:54,475
um, our officers are also doing a lot of the early stage investigative work

2648
03:17:55,175 --> 03:17:59,155
for, um, the agencies. So before a report goes to investigations, they're

2649
03:17:59,475 --> 03:18:03,275
trying to get most of the investigations leg work done. So they're reviewing footage,

2650
03:18:03,545 --> 03:18:07,315
they're, they're seeking out cameras, looking for witnesses, so they're spending more follow-up

2651
03:18:07,875 --> 03:18:11,195
time on those calls. Um,

2652
03:18:12,245 --> 03:18:16,135
another contributing factor is that, uh, proactive work

2653
03:18:16,375 --> 03:18:20,315
or self-initiated work is done. Uh, when we don't have pending calls, our

2654
03:18:20,775 --> 03:18:24,735
priority is to get to the community and answer calls to the community. And I can tell you

2655
03:18:24,855 --> 03:18:27,955
working day shift, um, a lot of our calls are

2656
03:18:28,935 --> 03:18:32,855
priority two calls. Uh, we're going to, to to a, a suspect in

2657
03:18:33,015 --> 03:18:36,785
custody at target. We send two vehicles to that. So a lot of the calls we're

2658
03:18:37,135 --> 03:18:41,095
sending multiple officers, so there's less time for that beat to

2659
03:18:41,295 --> 03:18:45,015
go do proactive work. Um, and officer safety

2660
03:18:45,395 --> 03:18:49,245
is another reason why we send two cars. Um, that's, that's another contributing factor.

2661
03:18:50,625 --> 03:18:54,565
and, and another contributing factor is I, I believe, 'cause I'm not doubting

2662
03:18:54,925 --> 03:18:58,845
productivity among my officers, I think they're under reporting stuff. I

2663
03:18:58,965 --> 03:19:02,845
really do. Uh, when they go in to get a sandwich, when they go in to use the restroom,

2664
03:19:03,185 --> 03:19:06,545
that's a business check. We've always, we've always,

2665
03:19:07,405 --> 03:19:11,175
uh, logged those. If you're in seven 11 or a convenience store or what,

2666
03:19:11,465 --> 03:19:15,355
name a store, we logged it as a business check. If I'm

2667
03:19:15,555 --> 03:19:19,315
driving through a, a neighborhood on the east end or the west end, that's a patrol

2668
03:19:19,595 --> 03:19:22,965
check just driving down the street and not, not, uh, accounting

2669
03:19:23,635 --> 03:19:26,835
for your work. We're, um, we're underreporting this stuff.

2670
03:19:27,695 --> 03:19:31,575
uh, doing routine, routine patrol through neighborhoods and

2671
03:19:31,805 --> 03:19:35,715
commercial areas, uh, doing high visibility in hotspots,

2672
03:19:36,275 --> 03:19:40,175
parking your car in high crime areas, uh, preventing a crime that didn't

2673
03:19:40,595 --> 03:19:43,795
occur. That's hard to measure, but those are things that are being done.

2674
03:19:45,385 --> 03:19:49,135
um, you know, and, and, and I'm not saying that this is an issue, but you know, nationwide,

2675
03:19:50,025 --> 03:19:53,865
uh, I think there's a decline in, in, in productivity amongst all

2676
03:19:54,085 --> 03:19:57,565
officers nationwide. I think after, uh, 2020,

2677
03:19:58,205 --> 03:20:01,795
I think officers just became risk averse. So

2678
03:20:02,355 --> 03:20:06,135
that's, that's been a problem. Um, I, I think we've turned that corner.

2679
03:20:06,615 --> 03:20:10,375
I do have a lot of ideas and the captain does as well, uh, to improve

2680
03:20:10,695 --> 03:20:14,655
these stats. I I can guarantee you these stats will be a lot higher next year for officer initiated

2681
03:20:15,135 --> 03:20:19,135
activities, but I, there's many contributing factors. I can't point to this

2682
03:20:19,315 --> 03:20:23,055
one thing. Okay. Thank you for that very detailed answer. I wasn't necessarily highlighting

2683
03:20:23,455 --> 03:20:26,755
it as an issue. I was just curious as to why the, the, the big drop. And,

2684
03:20:27,515 --> 03:20:31,095
um, I wanna make sure that none of my questions sound like criticisms

2685
03:20:31,615 --> 03:20:35,575
in any way. Um, I'm really no, they're, they're low vice mayor. I, I, I, I would

2686
03:20:35,655 --> 03:20:39,655
like to see those numbers improve. Oh, okay. I, I'm genuinely just asking questions, but one of the

2687
03:20:39,735 --> 03:20:43,575
things that you said was that, um, you know, crime is down throughout the state.

2688
03:20:43,825 --> 03:20:47,695
we're seeing that we're seeing it, um, nationwide, actually. Um, you know, you,

2689
03:20:47,875 --> 03:20:51,755
you know, I said on the public safety policy committees, and we look at a lot of these things, um,

2690
03:20:52,435 --> 03:20:56,275
and also the newspapers are reporting crime despite what, anecdotally, you might see

2691
03:20:57,435 --> 03:21:00,975
the statistics say crime is down nationwide. Mm-hmm . Is that because,

2692
03:21:02,155 --> 03:21:05,975
you know, the old adage of if you don't test for things, you don't find them, is crime down because

2693
03:21:06,385 --> 03:21:10,095
we're not reporting the crime? Or is crime truly down by that percentage?

2694
03:21:10,495 --> 03:21:14,435
I mean, clearly crime is down, but is is,

2695
03:21:14,755 --> 03:21:18,735
are those percentages, do you think, accurate in your opinion? I know you can't speak

2696
03:21:18,975 --> 03:21:22,835
to the statistics. Are you talking about for dublin or for

2697
03:21:23,095 --> 03:21:27,035
the state? I mean, I'm, I'm just in general trends, it, it's hard

2698
03:21:27,155 --> 03:21:31,055
to say mm-hmm . It, it really is hard to say. I, I like to think that the

2699
03:21:31,275 --> 03:21:35,255
crime numbers are just down mm-hmm . Right now, and that, that we're doing a better job of

2700
03:21:36,235 --> 03:21:40,235
policing our communities and, and there's just less, less crime occurring. Mm-hmm . But it's hard

2701
03:21:40,315 --> 03:21:44,315
to say. I don't know a hundred percent why. Okay. But I think if our numbers are showing a downward

2702
03:21:44,635 --> 03:21:48,635
trend, I think the state's showing a downward trend. I think there's a, there's something going on. Yeah.

2703
03:21:48,925 --> 03:21:52,795
fantastic. Um, the, I actually, I'm

2704
03:21:52,995 --> 03:21:56,815
gonna do this a little bit out of the order I have, because this one pertains to what we're talking about, but the, the

2705
03:21:57,155 --> 03:22:00,895
dui, um, decline that, um, council member cadre brought up, um,

2706
03:22:01,865 --> 03:22:05,525
just to fully put a period on that theme.

2707
03:22:06,415 --> 03:22:10,375
is that because we did fewer stops? Um, or do we really think people are,

2708
03:22:10,775 --> 03:22:14,675
you know, checking themselves before they get behind the wheel? I think there's, I

2709
03:22:14,795 --> 03:22:18,715
think it's both. Um, so we've, we, we haven't reduced the number of

2710
03:22:18,835 --> 03:22:22,755
checkpoints that we've done. Uh, we've, we've done our checkpoints, but I will say that our

2711
03:22:22,955 --> 03:22:26,595
checkpoints that we do, we don't net a whole lot of arrests. Okay. Good. Uh, we had checkpoints

2712
03:22:27,075 --> 03:22:30,835
last year. We had zero, we had checkpoints where we had one, we had a checkpoint in

2713
03:22:31,195 --> 03:22:34,735
december, we arrested four people. Okay. So those are hit and miss. Um,

2714
03:22:36,005 --> 03:22:39,325
we've used our, our cannabis grant and our ots funding to put saturation

2715
03:22:40,025 --> 03:22:43,995
patrols out for duis. And, and some nights they're lucky and some nights they

2716
03:22:44,195 --> 03:22:48,195
don't get anything. Mm-hmm . Um, I, I, I will say this

2717
03:22:48,375 --> 03:22:51,995
and I'll bring this up. We did, we did look at some statistics and actually,

2718
03:22:52,695 --> 03:22:56,275
um, I'm not sure if you knew this, but duis, according to the national highway traffic

2719
03:22:56,715 --> 03:22:59,995
safety administration, or down significantly from 2005,

2720
03:23:00,775 --> 03:23:03,875
in 2005, they reported 1.4 million arrests nationwide.

2721
03:23:05,175 --> 03:23:09,095
and in 2024, that number dropped down to 805,000, uh,

2722
03:23:09,315 --> 03:23:13,315
state of california. And, uh, 2005, there was

2723
03:23:13,475 --> 03:23:17,355
a 180,000 dui arrests, that number dropped down to

2724
03:23:17,875 --> 03:23:21,175
a to 120,000. In 2024. Um,

2725
03:23:22,135 --> 03:23:25,995
the national highway traffic safety administration, they, they, they attribute the, uh,

2726
03:23:27,575 --> 03:23:31,235
the decline to, um, obviously less consumption of alcohol,

2727
03:23:31,675 --> 03:23:35,675
but also the increased use of ride shares and options. I mean, these days,

2728
03:23:36,195 --> 03:23:39,925
dui is a, is a, is truly a choice. If you don't

2729
03:23:40,275 --> 03:23:43,805
take advantage of these things and you get caught, that's shame on you. Right.

2730
03:23:44,775 --> 03:23:48,635
um, and, and, and one more thing I'll add. I'm, I'm not sure if you guys have heard,

2731
03:23:48,855 --> 03:23:52,275
but if you look online, um, there's, there's numerous articles

2732
03:23:53,605 --> 03:23:57,035
about genzer. Yeah. They just don drink, uh, 1997

2733
03:23:57,695 --> 03:24:01,595
to 20 20 12, uh, including an article in new york post that was, I read

2734
03:24:01,795 --> 03:24:05,795
today actually, that, um, genzer are just

2735
03:24:05,995 --> 03:24:09,835
not interested in drinking. They, they're losing interest in drinking after they try it for

2736
03:24:10,035 --> 03:24:14,025
the first time. So, so that demographic, that's gonna be the young ones

2737
03:24:14,315 --> 03:24:17,995
that are potentially going to bars, they're not, they're not out there.

2738
03:24:19,015 --> 03:24:22,995
um, so yeah, I think dui is one of those things that I, I'm not

2739
03:24:23,075 --> 03:24:27,035
saying that they're not out there. Right. Um, just I don't, we're not finding

2740
03:24:27,275 --> 03:24:30,955
them. Uh, dui compasses other things behind besides alcohol, correct.

2741
03:24:31,535 --> 03:24:35,355
oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dui it could be, uh, uh, drugs, uh, prescription drugs,

2742
03:24:36,175 --> 03:24:40,105
um, other illicit drugs. Yeah. Gen z's not drinking, but I'll

2743
03:24:40,395 --> 03:24:43,865
just, I'll just leave it at that. Okay. Um, moving on. Um, the, uh,

2744
03:24:44,605 --> 03:24:48,455
priority one calls, um, that seems

2745
03:24:48,805 --> 03:24:52,765
like just from a raw number, a surprising number to me. Maybe I'm the only one

2746
03:24:52,885 --> 03:24:56,845
that went 2,400 priority one calls. What the heck? Um, that's seven a day.

2747
03:24:57,305 --> 03:25:01,105
um, but medical calls are part of that. Yeah. Is, is,

2748
03:25:01,425 --> 03:25:04,485
are the medical calls a big percentage of our priority one calls here in dublin?

2749
03:25:05,805 --> 03:25:09,805
I would say they are. I don't know what the exact percentage is, but we

2750
03:25:09,965 --> 03:25:13,925
do respond to a, a number of medical calls. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Um, and

2751
03:25:14,125 --> 03:25:17,815
the same is true for priority two calls and, um, traffic collisions,

2752
03:25:18,595 --> 03:25:21,625
correct? Yeah. So just, just for, um,

2753
03:25:22,625 --> 03:25:26,575
for reference, so remember I said priority two details include traffic stops.

2754
03:25:26,925 --> 03:25:30,605
so of those priority two calls, we, we did 5,951 traffic

2755
03:25:30,935 --> 03:25:34,315
stops last year. Okay. And also traffic collisions are priority two. Correct.

2756
03:25:35,035 --> 03:25:38,765
okay. Well, it depends on if there's injury or not. Okay. So if there's injury, it's

2757
03:25:39,165 --> 03:25:43,005
priority one. One. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Um, can you give me just a, you know, I, we

2758
03:25:43,205 --> 03:25:47,125
don't, in the interest of time, you know, a brief description of the difference between

2759
03:25:47,805 --> 03:25:51,725
priority three, four, and five. Sure. So priority three, as I mentioned in the, in

2760
03:25:51,925 --> 03:25:55,885
the report, those are, those are our reports. Uhhuh, , uh, most of 'em are for

2761
03:25:56,005 --> 03:25:59,605
reports. I actually have the list from dispatch. It's right here.

2762
03:26:00,045 --> 03:26:03,985
I have three, four, and five. So those are our reports. There's a couple instances and

2763
03:26:04,445 --> 03:26:08,135
priority threes where it's not a report, um, for instance, a security check,

2764
03:26:08,685 --> 03:26:12,155
a vacation check if somebody's outta town. And then, uh, a parking violation

2765
03:26:12,765 --> 03:26:15,105
is a, is a priority three. Um,

2766
03:26:16,845 --> 03:26:20,705
priority fours appear to be administrative act, or they're administrative, or

2767
03:26:20,925 --> 03:26:24,865
they're activities that don't require a report. Uh, getting gas,

2768
03:26:25,905 --> 03:26:29,805
ah, civil standbys, um, business checks,

2769
03:26:30,985 --> 03:26:34,765
patrol checks, stranded motorists, uh, reporting that a traffic light is out.

2770
03:26:35,385 --> 03:26:39,055
that's a priority four. Um, priority fives,

2771
03:26:39,745 --> 03:26:43,675
uh, we have seven on my list. Four

2772
03:26:43,975 --> 03:26:47,885
apply to what we do here in dublin. And they include a, an abandoned boat, ,

2773
03:26:48,265 --> 03:26:51,885
an abandoned bicycle, uh, fireworks and use of force.

2774
03:26:52,545 --> 03:26:56,185
that's it. Okay. But for the most part, priority three is

2775
03:26:57,025 --> 03:27:00,935
the, the lion's share of our, our reports. Okay. Um, thank

2776
03:27:01,285 --> 03:27:04,745
you. Mm-hmm . In the response time. Um,

2777
03:27:05,985 --> 03:27:09,865
and maybe it's just a, a false memory on my part, but it's seems to me that our

2778
03:27:10,765 --> 03:27:14,325
response times when I started this job used to be sub five minutes.

2779
03:27:15,225 --> 03:27:19,115
um, did we used to report the officer initiated activities

2780
03:27:19,785 --> 03:27:23,055
as part of our response times and now we don't? Or are our response times getting

2781
03:27:24,035 --> 03:27:27,645
worse? We did. Okay. Thank you. So we, so

2782
03:27:28,245 --> 03:27:32,085
we noticed that we are reporting, uh, officer initiated activity in

2783
03:27:32,305 --> 03:27:36,055
our response times, which remember what I told you in the presentation. Right? It's

2784
03:27:36,345 --> 03:27:40,045
zero. Right. So if I see a car vi a vehicle violation, I'm

2785
03:27:40,385 --> 03:27:44,105
stopping the car. It's, it's not, it's, it's instantaneous, almost, almost

2786
03:27:44,525 --> 03:27:48,505
mm-hmm . So the, the time seems a little bit high mm-hmm

2787
03:27:48,965 --> 03:27:52,605
. But we didn't think it was fair to report self-initiate activity into our overall

2788
03:27:53,205 --> 03:27:57,205
response time. It's not accurate. Um, if we include those officer initiated

2789
03:27:57,775 --> 03:28:01,685
activities that seven minutes and whatever it was, I can cut that number

2790
03:28:01,865 --> 03:28:05,325
in half. Okay. If not more. Okay. Thank you. Because I,

2791
03:28:06,505 --> 03:28:10,445
I'm comparing apples to apples, and all of a sudden I'm comparing apples to oranges and it freaked me out a

2792
03:28:10,525 --> 03:28:13,255
little bit. So I actually prefer that we are using

2793
03:28:15,165 --> 03:28:18,845
transparent data. So I, I applaud you for putting

2794
03:28:19,635 --> 03:28:23,525
the real number in there. Even though it, if people

2795
03:28:23,765 --> 03:28:27,645
look at, at as a comparator and other agencies are using their office or initiated activities

2796
03:28:28,185 --> 03:28:32,165
as part of their average, um, it's gonna make us look like we have slower response time. But that is

2797
03:28:32,365 --> 03:28:36,345
a true, accurate picture. Um, do you have a sense of

2798
03:28:36,575 --> 03:28:40,165
where that puts us in neighbor compared to neighboring

2799
03:28:41,245 --> 03:28:45,165
agencies? And do you know whether they use what metrics they're using? I, I can

2800
03:28:45,285 --> 03:28:49,125
find out, um, what their, what their times are. I, I, I don't

2801
03:28:49,405 --> 03:28:53,165
believe there is a, um, a national benchmark for response times.

2802
03:28:53,565 --> 03:28:57,485
I think it's something we can always work on improving. I will say this, if there

2803
03:28:57,645 --> 03:29:01,555
is a true emergency, our response time is gonna be significantly less.

2804
03:29:02,185 --> 03:29:05,985
and the reason why is because we have lights and sirens and we can, we can, uh,

2805
03:29:07,025 --> 03:29:10,785
get away with, uh, not following the traffic laws legally. Um,

2806
03:29:11,545 --> 03:29:15,525
so our response times to an injury collision or to a true crime in progress,

2807
03:29:17,005 --> 03:29:20,875
I don't have the exact number, but I can guarantee you it's 50% of what you're seeing. Okay.

2808
03:29:21,505 --> 03:29:25,435
um, now going back to that, not all priority

2809
03:29:25,615 --> 03:29:29,495
one calls warrant an emergency response. 'cause the vehicle code, uh,

2810
03:29:29,775 --> 03:29:33,295
is very specific as to when fire or police

2811
03:29:33,935 --> 03:29:37,475
can, can have their lights and sirens on. We have to be, be responding to a fire.

2812
03:29:38,215 --> 03:29:42,175
we have to be responding to an emergency engaged in a re rescue operations,

2813
03:29:42,865 --> 03:29:46,755
or be in pursuit of a law violator. Those are the four reasons. There's

2814
03:29:47,245 --> 03:29:51,105
many instances on priority one calls that are priority one, but

2815
03:29:51,325 --> 03:29:54,305
we can't establish that there's an emergency. Uh, um,

2816
03:29:55,665 --> 03:29:59,385
the number one example I can give you is the 9 1 1 hangup. Uh,

2817
03:30:00,135 --> 03:30:04,005
we've all inadvertently dialed nine one one on our cell phone. We respond to those.

2818
03:30:04,745 --> 03:30:08,245
but if it's a static line, uh, if, if we can't determine if there's an emergency,

2819
03:30:08,855 --> 03:30:12,525
we're still gonna go. But we have to obey the rules of the road.

2820
03:30:13,385 --> 03:30:17,335
so that's gonna slow our, our times down. We have to stop at stoplights and follow the rules

2821
03:30:17,705 --> 03:30:21,485
of traffic. So those mess with our response time as well. But what I can say is that

2822
03:30:22,145 --> 03:30:25,605
if there is a true emergency, we're gonna get there very fast. Okay. Perfect.

2823
03:30:26,465 --> 03:30:30,385
and then, um, the last question, I'm sure everybody's pleased with me saying that. Sure. The

2824
03:30:30,605 --> 03:30:34,385
last question I have is the, um, the, uh, flock and

2825
03:30:34,715 --> 03:30:38,245
peregrine, um, information and the, um, information about rtcc.

2826
03:30:38,865 --> 03:30:42,765
all those together for me. Um, I have a whole host of

2827
03:30:43,125 --> 03:30:46,925
questions about data and ai and integration and, and all of those things.

2828
03:30:47,335 --> 03:30:51,165
we've asked for that to come back to us. Can you, do you know when that's coming back? That's coming back

2829
03:30:51,685 --> 03:30:55,665
february 17th. Okay. 24th, no,

2830
03:30:56,085 --> 03:30:59,785
february, march. March is, yeah. Perfect. Thank you. Little

2831
03:31:00,205 --> 03:31:04,005
little misunderstanding over there. Thank you very much for the report. That concludes my very long-winded

2832
03:31:04,645 --> 03:31:07,445
questions. Thank you. But good questions. Thank you. Any more questions?

2833
03:31:09,305 --> 03:31:13,215
good. I do mayor. Yeah. We'll let him go. We'll let him, so go,

2834
03:31:13,455 --> 03:31:17,315
go ahead. Um, council member marada. Thanks. Uh, I have,

2835
03:31:17,495 --> 03:31:21,035
uh, one question, nine parts for chief. Just kidding.

2836
03:31:22,215 --> 03:31:25,835
uh, actually, just, just one question. Uh, so on, uh, chief, on slide

2837
03:31:26,365 --> 03:31:29,875
eight, uh, I was somewhat taken aback by some of the numbers.

2838
03:31:30,815 --> 03:31:34,315
uh, so, so a question that I'll ask and, and please respond with

2839
03:31:35,255 --> 03:31:39,235
the necessary level of discretion, uh, which is in some

2840
03:31:39,515 --> 03:31:43,335
of the categories, uh, notably aggregated aggravated assault, uh,

2841
03:31:43,795 --> 03:31:47,535
domestic violence, sex offense. Uh, is there a specific at-risk population

2842
03:31:48,605 --> 03:31:51,675
that, uh, you noticed or caught a trend around? And if so,

2843
03:31:52,795 --> 03:31:56,495
how are we helping them? Uh, do we, you know, apply for grants?

2844
03:31:56,915 --> 03:32:00,695
do we have programs? Just gimme a sense of the, the proactive

2845
03:32:01,215 --> 03:32:04,895
things you're doing to service the at-risk population. Thanks. That's

2846
03:32:05,295 --> 03:32:09,135
it. So, uh, council member,

2847
03:32:09,505 --> 03:32:13,405
marti, you mentioned aggravated assault as an example, or is that, is that what

2848
03:32:13,695 --> 03:32:17,685
you wanted the answer to? Well, can you address for

2849
03:32:17,905 --> 03:32:21,325
me all of the line items on slide eight

2850
03:32:22,105 --> 03:32:25,435
that have a positive net change in 2025?

2851
03:32:29,425 --> 03:32:30,955
see if I can get to it. Yeah,

2852
03:32:40,715 --> 03:32:44,455
this is the one right here. Perfect. Yes. Is there, I, I'm,

2853
03:32:44,775 --> 03:32:48,495
I'm asking for more of a summary chief, which is, of all the net

2854
03:32:49,115 --> 03:32:52,785
positive line items, is there an at-risk population that

2855
03:32:53,135 --> 03:32:57,115
you found through your research, through your analysis, that we should, could be concerned

2856
03:32:57,515 --> 03:33:01,325
about? And if so, how are we serving them? Um,

2857
03:33:01,645 --> 03:33:05,635
not that we've identified council member marada. Okay.

2858
03:33:07,185 --> 03:33:07,185
thanks.

2859
03:33:12,325 --> 03:33:16,185
uh, no further questions. Back to you, mayor. Thank, thank you. Uh,

2860
03:33:17,395 --> 03:33:19,865
yeah, yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Um, so

2861
03:33:21,415 --> 03:33:25,395
I'm glad I'm last because about 90% of my questions

2862
03:33:25,555 --> 03:33:29,465
have already been asked. Right. I, I, and you've responded very well, the response time

2863
03:33:29,935 --> 03:33:33,775
and the, the trend and the statistics. I guess what I, I'd

2864
03:33:33,995 --> 03:33:37,695
like to know is, um, and incidentally, um, there was, there

2865
03:33:38,045 --> 03:33:41,585
was the use of data, and maybe you can explain how you've,

2866
03:33:42,185 --> 03:33:45,135
you've modified or filtered out on flock,

2867
03:33:46,345 --> 03:33:50,145
um, uh, over the last year or so. Of my understanding is

2868
03:33:50,365 --> 03:33:54,245
at one time that we, we were kind of open and that we've made some changes

2869
03:33:55,085 --> 03:33:59,005
recently. Uh, with regard to that would be the first question. Maybe you can identify, maybe

2870
03:33:59,635 --> 03:34:02,605
elaborate on that, and then I'll get back to the stats a little bit.

2871
03:34:04,555 --> 03:34:08,255
is that something you want to address tonight? Or, uh, is this, is this for the 20?

2872
03:34:08,695 --> 03:34:12,575
I think that's more in line for our next presentation and we'll on on, push it out.

2873
03:34:12,925 --> 03:34:16,175
push it out. That's fine. Um, and then,

2874
03:34:17,035 --> 03:34:20,975
you know, the, I had very similar questions, like the trends. You know,

2875
03:34:21,055 --> 03:34:24,975
these, these statistics, they're going up and they're going down and they're going up and down.

2876
03:34:25,355 --> 03:34:29,355
and, uh, you know, are these within range? Uh, are

2877
03:34:29,575 --> 03:34:32,955
you, are you satisfied with, with these, um,

2878
03:34:33,725 --> 03:34:37,615
numbers? Um, and as council member marada said, there's some that are

2879
03:34:37,735 --> 03:34:41,615
going up and, uh, you know, assault, assault, sexual

2880
03:34:42,375 --> 03:34:46,315
violence, et cetera. Um, you know, do we know the reasons for

2881
03:34:46,535 --> 03:34:50,515
those trends? Uh, um, for

2882
03:34:50,795 --> 03:34:54,755
all of 'em, not necessarily. I think you can attribute, um,

2883
03:34:56,245 --> 03:34:59,475
some of the, the shoplifting and the, the,

2884
03:35:00,315 --> 03:35:04,215
the burglary, especially commercial burglary to, to maybe some changes

2885
03:35:04,435 --> 03:35:08,175
in the laws due to prop 36. Ah, um, it's changed the laws.

2886
03:35:08,485 --> 03:35:12,455
it's made a lot of cases a felony where they would normally have been charged with a

2887
03:35:12,575 --> 03:35:16,535
misdemeanor or not charged at all. Um, I think that's a contributing factor. 'cause

2888
03:35:16,615 --> 03:35:20,195
you see burlar went down 34%. Yeah. Um,

2889
03:35:23,125 --> 03:35:26,645
I am, I'm satisfied with some, there's obviously some, I, I don't like seeing

2890
03:35:27,385 --> 03:35:31,245
sex offenses. I don't like seeing domestic violence or any violence whatsoever. I think we

2891
03:35:31,405 --> 03:35:35,045
can always improve on all those. Um, but some of the property crimes,

2892
03:35:35,545 --> 03:35:39,405
I'm, I'm very satisfied with. I, I do wanna work on our, our residential

2893
03:35:39,965 --> 03:35:43,645
burglaries and our, and our, and our burglaries in general. Those are important to me.

2894
03:35:44,075 --> 03:35:47,925
they're all important. Actually, that actually was my next question is where,

2895
03:35:48,215 --> 03:35:51,795
where is your focal point? And is there anything that, that

2896
03:35:52,225 --> 03:35:55,925
we can do to support? What areas would be more supportive

2897
03:35:56,485 --> 03:36:00,285
to you, whether it's, uh, technology or, or anything else?

2898
03:36:00,905 --> 03:36:04,825
uh, you know, where do you see that, that need? Uh,

2899
03:36:05,875 --> 03:36:09,745
from a strategic standpoint? I think from a strategic standpoint, the city has

2900
03:36:09,965 --> 03:36:13,925
always been very supportive of the pd. And so is the city, uh, the city manager

2901
03:36:14,305 --> 03:36:18,245
and, and getting us the equipment that we need. We have a lot of technology that a lot of cities

2902
03:36:18,695 --> 03:36:22,545
don't have, and it's very beneficial for us when it comes to solving crimes or

2903
03:36:23,245 --> 03:36:27,045
investigating crimes. Um, so I think we have what we need

2904
03:36:27,285 --> 03:36:31,065
right now. Um, but our focal point right now, and, and my

2905
03:36:31,565 --> 03:36:35,125
priority right now is lowering residential burglaries. Uh, that's a, that's a, a big,

2906
03:36:35,625 --> 03:36:39,005
big problem in my eyes. And, uh, I want that number to come down substantially.

2907
03:36:40,675 --> 03:36:44,475
okay. Well, I think, uh, the other council members, uh, have very

2908
03:36:44,995 --> 03:36:48,965
well answered or asked the, the right questions, and I don't have anything else

2909
03:36:49,045 --> 03:36:52,525
right now. Thank you. Yeah. Any questions? You're good.

2910
03:36:53,275 --> 03:36:57,085
okay. Awesome. So thank you so much. Um, I have, uh,

2911
03:36:57,285 --> 03:37:01,265
just a, a couple of questions here. So I, I, I'm looking at

2912
03:37:01,505 --> 03:37:05,305
the comparison to other cities, and thank you for putting that together. Mm-hmm

2913
03:37:05,765 --> 03:37:09,665
. And most of the numbers are, I, I feel are fine, uh, except

2914
03:37:10,275 --> 03:37:13,965
like one number we ask significantly higher than other cities

2915
03:37:14,795 --> 03:37:15,445
that is a robbery.

2916
03:37:19,495 --> 03:37:23,055
that's like on second page of that, uh, compared so,

2917
03:37:24,595 --> 03:37:28,255
so mayor, I'm not sure how the other cities are reporting robberies.

2918
03:37:29,035 --> 03:37:32,655
um, like I told you when I was explaining the statistics,

2919
03:37:33,795 --> 03:37:37,405
we had 40 robberies, um, but 21 of those robberies

2920
03:37:39,295 --> 03:37:43,265
involved retail theft where, um, a loss prevention person was maybe

2921
03:37:43,855 --> 03:37:47,515
threatened or pushed, which elevates it to a robbery. I don't think it's the, the

2922
03:37:48,515 --> 03:37:52,435
it, you know, it's, it's a felony, uh, but I don't think it's the, the

2923
03:37:52,655 --> 03:37:56,535
robbery that, that most people will think of, um, that occurs on the street.

2924
03:37:57,185 --> 03:38:00,915
these, these originate generally in retail stores. Mm. Um,

2925
03:38:03,095 --> 03:38:07,055
starting with, uh, basically simple theft. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That I understand

2926
03:38:07,375 --> 03:38:11,355
both. Thank you. So, uh, a couple things. So I just, uh, uh,

2927
03:38:11,855 --> 03:38:15,555
I, I, you know, we heard this residential, um,

2928
03:38:15,885 --> 03:38:19,835
community, um, burglary happening. And,

2929
03:38:20,715 --> 03:38:24,515
um, I want to to know like how many communities in

2930
03:38:24,835 --> 03:38:28,575
our, in our city, do they already

2931
03:38:29,085 --> 03:38:32,725
have flock cameras, and like,

2932
03:38:33,235 --> 03:38:36,995
how can we, like, how much they can help with this, uh, um,

2933
03:38:37,425 --> 03:38:41,355
crime, um, situation and how we

2934
03:38:41,575 --> 03:38:45,395
can help out to get the message out or just, uh, help to

2935
03:38:45,715 --> 03:38:49,455
get the footprint connected to our police?

2936
03:38:50,115 --> 03:38:53,575
um, information? Well, the cameras are very helpful.

2937
03:38:54,235 --> 03:38:58,035
um, and as far as communities that have them, um,

2938
03:38:58,775 --> 03:39:02,235
I know that they have 'em in shafer ranch now. They have 'em, um,

2939
03:39:03,635 --> 03:39:07,215
in the pinnacles development up off of, uh, fallon. Uh, there's several communities

2940
03:39:07,735 --> 03:39:11,735
that have them. Um, but the, the cameras are not, they're not

2941
03:39:11,815 --> 03:39:15,735
cheap. So I, I wouldn't expect every community in, in town to be able to

2942
03:39:15,855 --> 03:39:18,965
afford that. Um, but the communities that have,

2943
03:39:19,915 --> 03:39:23,835
um, purchased one, that, that information is helpful for us. Um,

2944
03:39:24,395 --> 03:39:28,165
and may serve as deterrent too for, for residential burglaries. Okay.

2945
03:39:28,455 --> 03:39:31,975
thanks. Another thing is we, we got, um, like many people

2946
03:39:33,155 --> 03:39:36,905
through the past two, now, they'll always ask, do we have enough

2947
03:39:38,085 --> 03:39:41,665
swan officers, uh, like a national data use, like 1%

2948
03:39:42,345 --> 03:39:44,465
or one out of, um,

2949
03:39:46,405 --> 03:39:50,245
I, I don't know the statistic I, so if strictly

2950
03:39:50,625 --> 03:39:54,365
use that number, we are like a fewer number than that number

2951
03:39:55,115 --> 03:39:59,075
indicated or something like that. I just want to want to hear from

2952
03:39:59,385 --> 03:40:03,245
you, like how you always look at this numbers of officers

2953
03:40:03,865 --> 03:40:06,605
to make sure we have enough, uh, coverage for our city.

2954
03:40:08,665 --> 03:40:12,525
so the, the, the number here often is there should be one officer

2955
03:40:13,105 --> 03:40:17,035
per thousand residents. And, um, I, I don't know where that number came

2956
03:40:17,325 --> 03:40:21,145
from. It's not from the international association of chiefs of police. Um,

2957
03:40:21,685 --> 03:40:25,585
I think staffing levels in the department depend on a lot of things. It depends on call volume, it

2958
03:40:25,805 --> 03:40:29,005
depends on, it, it, it's unique from community to community.

2959
03:40:29,905 --> 03:40:33,885
um, we'll take all the officers you want to give us, but I'm also

2960
03:40:34,085 --> 03:40:37,655
mindful of the city's resources. Um, so I, I, I think we're

2961
03:40:38,245 --> 03:40:42,125
sufficient and we have to use the resources we have and get creative with our staffing levels

2962
03:40:42,345 --> 03:40:45,305
and just leverage those resources to deal with problems. So

2963
03:40:46,435 --> 03:40:50,165
residential burglaries, we have to up staff certain beats with more cars.

2964
03:40:50,585 --> 03:40:54,565
we have to maybe pull from our school resource officers or our crime prevention

2965
03:40:55,005 --> 03:40:58,805
unit to supplement that staffing level. I think our staffing levels are sufficient

2966
03:40:59,045 --> 03:41:02,785
right now. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, that's all my questions. And

2967
03:41:03,585 --> 03:41:07,495
do we have, do we have a public comments? I have no speaker slips

2968
03:41:07,845 --> 03:41:11,665
on the side. Mayor. Alright. Thank you. And, um, this is just for

2969
03:41:11,885 --> 03:41:15,255
information only. So I want to ask, are, are there any additional

2970
03:41:16,165 --> 03:41:19,345
comments we want to make on this one? Anybody has any

2971
03:41:20,445 --> 03:41:24,405
comments? I would say great, great job. Um, definitely wanna see some improvements and

2972
03:41:24,645 --> 03:41:28,505
I think you have some ideas in, in terms of how, how to make those improvements. Um,

2973
03:41:29,695 --> 03:41:33,275
uh, yeah, looking forward to, to seeing, seeing more green,

2974
03:41:33,855 --> 03:41:35,275
uh, in, in subsequent years.

2975
03:41:37,885 --> 03:41:41,775
thank you. Any comments? You know, this was already brought up by a council member, uh, and

2976
03:41:42,265 --> 03:41:45,735
that is maybe a little more explanation on trends.

2977
03:41:46,815 --> 03:41:50,795
um, you know, because the numbers mean something, right?

2978
03:41:51,365 --> 03:41:55,175
and, and the trends mean something. So maybe some idea

2979
03:41:55,725 --> 03:41:59,525
of what, what would these numbers really mean in terms of the, the,

2980
03:41:59,745 --> 03:42:03,655
where we're going as a city? So that would be my only comment.

2981
03:42:05,635 --> 03:42:08,675
any comments? The report? I, I thought that you included, um,

2982
03:42:09,815 --> 03:42:13,755
a lot of data. I love this comparison, which we've never seen before. Um,

2983
03:42:14,565 --> 03:42:18,555
it's presented in a way that's really easy for us to follow, um, and for the public to

2984
03:42:18,775 --> 03:42:22,375
follow. Um, so I just, I appreciate all the information you gave us tonight. Thank you.

2985
03:42:24,155 --> 03:42:27,975
um, council member marada, any comments? No further

2986
03:42:28,335 --> 03:42:31,725
comments, mayor. Okay. Thank you. So I want to thank you for great work

2987
03:42:32,385 --> 03:42:36,075
and it's very comprehensive data and we learn a lot. And also

2988
03:42:36,425 --> 03:42:40,155
the strategies you mentioned about the focus are all like,

2989
03:42:40,445 --> 03:42:44,445
uh, right things for us. And I want to thank you again and thanks

2990
03:42:44,625 --> 03:42:48,625
all the enforcement, um, officers there, and

2991
03:42:49,495 --> 03:42:53,475
which is look, looking forward to working together and support

2992
03:42:54,145 --> 03:42:57,765
all, all the needs of our community. With that said, thank you again.

2993
03:42:58,265 --> 03:43:00,675
so we'll move on to agenda item nine,

2994
03:43:03,955 --> 03:43:07,565
eric council members. Um, we have our volunteer recognition

2995
03:43:08,245 --> 03:43:12,205
event on february 25th, and I just wanna, uh, remind the

2996
03:43:12,405 --> 03:43:15,805
community that you've got three, four more days to get in your nominations

2997
03:43:16,445 --> 03:43:20,405
for citizen, young citizen and organization of the year for 2025. The deadline is friday.

2998
03:43:20,705 --> 03:43:24,605
that's all. Perfect. Thank you. Um, who wants to

2999
03:43:24,765 --> 03:43:28,685
start first? Michael, you want to start first?

3000
03:43:28,905 --> 03:43:32,475
you know, I, I'll be real quick. No, I don't have anything. Okay. Okay, perfect.

3001
03:43:33,545 --> 03:43:37,365
so you want happy to go? Yeah. Um, I don't think I said it earlier.

3002
03:43:37,705 --> 03:43:41,605
so, happy new year's, uh, attended the opening for kaji kin

3003
03:43:42,375 --> 03:43:46,225
ramen, which is right in front of emerald, uh, really great food. They have, uh,

3004
03:43:47,305 --> 03:43:51,085
at least one super delicious, uh, vegetarian option on the ramen,

3005
03:43:51,405 --> 03:43:55,225
which was, which is great. And it's a, it's a breathless ramen. So,

3006
03:43:55,745 --> 03:43:58,705
uh, new, something new for me to try. And then, um,

3007
03:44:00,125 --> 03:44:04,125
attended, uh, a cfd, so the alameda county fire department rescue boat presentation, which

3008
03:44:04,325 --> 03:44:07,925
is a lot of fun. Uh, went out on a boat in, uh, through

3009
03:44:08,545 --> 03:44:12,465
san san leandro marina and, and, uh, got to see what they're up to. So,

3010
03:44:12,695 --> 03:44:16,635
great, great experience. You want

3011
03:44:16,795 --> 03:44:19,715
to go ahead? Oh, no. So john, you want to start?

3012
03:44:21,515 --> 03:44:25,295
uh, of course. I'm happy to go, mayor. Thank you. Uh, I too will go fairly quickly.

3013
03:44:26,595 --> 03:44:30,455
the, uh, two items I have is the attendance of the alameda

3014
03:44:30,775 --> 03:44:34,595
county library, um, uh, commission. Uh, I'd like to ask

3015
03:44:34,815 --> 03:44:38,595
everybody to join me in, uh, welcoming deb

3016
03:44:39,215 --> 03:44:42,895
sika. Debra sika, who is now the, the, was appointed

3017
03:44:43,235 --> 03:44:46,775
as the new county librarian. So she'd been serving in that role,

3018
03:44:47,315 --> 03:44:51,215
um, as interim and, uh, then she was officially appointed. So congratulations,

3019
03:44:52,075 --> 03:44:56,005
deb sika. And then, um, also at, uh, with, with

3020
03:44:56,245 --> 03:45:00,205
regard to ava, uh, I'll take just a little bit of extra time. Mayor, I, I,

3021
03:45:00,485 --> 03:45:04,165
I apologize. I know it's getting late, but I, it does, does, does warrant a little bit of explanation

3022
03:45:05,025 --> 03:45:08,805
to the public, which is that, uh, there were two articles written in the

3023
03:45:09,035 --> 03:45:12,735
independent about the ava energy bill credit. So allow

3024
03:45:13,085 --> 03:45:16,685
me to explain the context of what that was, because

3025
03:45:17,245 --> 03:45:21,045
I don't think the independent gave e enough to, to, uh, credit to that.

3026
03:45:21,585 --> 03:45:25,445
so in the summer of last year, uh, ava,

3027
03:45:26,105 --> 03:45:29,245
um, forecasted a surplus of $137 million.

3028
03:45:32,185 --> 03:45:36,005
the board, uh, and also the, the, uh, customer advisory council,

3029
03:45:36,945 --> 03:45:39,995
uh, voted to give 10% of that surplus

3030
03:45:40,995 --> 03:45:44,695
back to the public as a bill credit, which would've accounted to about

3031
03:45:45,365 --> 03:45:49,165
$13.7 million, or for us specifically of

3032
03:45:49,485 --> 03:45:53,365
residents, about $80 off of your energy bill. That was the

3033
03:45:53,565 --> 03:45:56,965
summer in the fall when we actually did our financial

3034
03:45:57,765 --> 03:46:01,625
analysis as well as our pursuant budget. We found that in

3035
03:46:01,845 --> 03:46:05,485
2026, uh, there is a potential for ava to

3036
03:46:05,965 --> 03:46:08,965
be at a $250 million deficit.

3037
03:46:10,185 --> 03:46:13,985
so that came at the heels of the rate changes by pg

3038
03:46:14,365 --> 03:46:17,525
e, which when pg e reduces rates,

3039
03:46:18,805 --> 03:46:22,725
ava loses money as well. So that's the part that I don't think

3040
03:46:23,105 --> 03:46:26,965
the articles explained very well. So in order to fulfill

3041
03:46:27,445 --> 03:46:31,395
that deficit, we had to remove the bill

3042
03:46:31,685 --> 03:46:35,565
credit. We also had to, um, trade back some

3043
03:46:35,845 --> 03:46:39,845
of the local development dollars that we had originally, um, allocated, but they were unmarked.

3044
03:46:40,585 --> 03:46:44,325
uh, so they were un they were not earmarked. So we were able to return those.

3045
03:46:44,985 --> 03:46:48,305
but then also there was a 25 basis point increase in energy,

3046
03:46:49,185 --> 03:46:52,805
um, cost as well, that all together,

3047
03:46:53,385 --> 03:46:57,345
uh, and I I, I hate to be the bare bad news, but that altogether was far

3048
03:46:57,565 --> 03:47:01,285
less of a financial impact than the 5% that we would've

3049
03:47:01,805 --> 03:47:05,325
had to pay to borrow money in order to keep the company running.

3050
03:47:06,345 --> 03:47:09,785
so as mayor jack bch had provided during his, um,

3051
03:47:10,385 --> 03:47:14,365
his, his, um, uh, commentary was that we should

3052
03:47:14,645 --> 03:47:18,525
not be debt financing operations of the business. Uh, so

3053
03:47:18,725 --> 03:47:22,465
that is the commentary. Uh, and I'll close out on that simply by saying that, um,

3054
03:47:22,805 --> 03:47:26,745
I feel we made the right choice. I do apologize to the public that you

3055
03:47:26,965 --> 03:47:30,165
will not be getting that energy credit that we had originally promised in the summer.

3056
03:47:31,065 --> 03:47:34,965
but, um, it is something that we had to do in order to maintain

3057
03:47:35,185 --> 03:47:39,165
the, the sustainability of eva energy. That's it.

3058
03:47:39,205 --> 03:47:43,085
mayor, back to thank, thank you. Um, so, so lot of

3059
03:47:43,245 --> 03:47:46,965
activities before the christmas, um, yeah, including

3060
03:47:47,515 --> 03:47:51,205
that, uh, grand opening of the ram place, like that,

3061
03:47:51,865 --> 03:47:55,675
and also meeting. And also there's

3062
03:47:56,285 --> 03:48:00,205
a new year's celebration. There's a lots of things going on. Governor's office

3063
03:48:00,555 --> 03:48:04,305
have a representative representatives visited us

3064
03:48:05,465 --> 03:48:09,215
and itv board

3065
03:48:09,565 --> 03:48:13,485
meeting, so lots of meetings. With that said, we'll adjourn our

3066
03:48:13,645 --> 03:48:17,325
meeting at, did you, did you want me to give a report? Oh, I forgot.

3067
03:48:17,685 --> 03:48:21,605
sorry. That's okay. That like a okay, please. That's okay. Yeah. Um,

3068
03:48:21,765 --> 03:48:25,485
just very briefly, we did have, um, a couple of stop waste meetings, um, where we're

3069
03:48:25,805 --> 03:48:29,805
talking budget as well. Um, and then also lta, um, talking

3070
03:48:30,085 --> 03:48:34,045
about the hydrogen. The original plan for lta to meet the

3071
03:48:34,245 --> 03:48:38,225
state's mandated, um, zero emissions bus plan was

3072
03:48:38,445 --> 03:48:42,325
to get hydrogen buses. Um, we are rethinking potentially that

3073
03:48:42,525 --> 03:48:46,245
plan, so if you're interested in that, um, come see either

3074
03:48:47,305 --> 03:48:51,245
mr. Mcc or myself. Thank you so much. So we ajour meeting

3075
03:48:51,545 --> 03:48:52,555
at 11 4:00 pm.