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of the united states of america, and

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to the republic

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for which it stands,

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one nation, under god, with liberty

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and justice for all.

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>> presentations and proclamations.

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3.1, recognition of

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2025 dublin

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pride week contest winners.

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>> good evening, honorable mayor and

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council members. I'm shelby perry

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coordinator for the parts and services department.

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tonight I'm here

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to speak to you about the wonderful evidence

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of dublin pride week and recognize the

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winners of the annual contests that

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are offered during this event. I do

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the "nature in our backyard" photo

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contest and the dublin san ramon women's

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club for

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organizing the essay and poster contest.

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the event kicked off on saturday,

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april 26th and ran through saturday,

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relevance took place during the weekend celebration. Volunteer day,

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compost giveaway, volunteer fair,

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to name a few. While I'm really

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here tonight is to recognize the winners

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of the contest that took place

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as part of dublin pride week. We have the photo contest

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contest. As I talk about each contest,

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that each group wait until the end

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so everyone can come up

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and take a photo with city council.

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so first, we have the

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"nature in our backyard" photo contest.

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it is the seventh year and we had over

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200 submissions this year.

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the judges narrowed it down to the top

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finish with eyes that see all. Second place,

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jenny with full moon at the dish.

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and third place is anthony, with great

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egret of the creek.

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students of all ages in public and

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year with over 120 entries

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for the essay and poster contest and

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the theme for this

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contest was the same for dublin pride

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week which was our city, our pride.

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winners receive gift cards and certificates.

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winners right here. And then,

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their name is listed as

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well as the school, we had a good variety this year.

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then, these are our poster winners as well,

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to go with our city our pride.

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and support. At this time, will all

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thank you, congratulations.

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>> now, can we have all the

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essay contest winners, and take a

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so, you are our pride, too.

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contest winners up to take a picture?

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you. Great work. Great work, thank you. Congratulations.

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3.2, elder abuse awareness month proclamation.

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elder abuse awareness month, and june 15th is

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world elder abuse awareness day.

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the national council on aging

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5 million americans over the age of 60

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neglect, and exploitation.

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elder abuse, neglect,

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and exploitation is one

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of the biggest issues facing senior

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citizens around the world.

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this proclamation brings awareness

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to the issue of elder abuse,

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so, today, we have community

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engagement and legislation division

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office here to

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accept the proclamation. Please

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few words, and we'll give you the proclamation. Thank you.

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evening, mayor, city council members, and

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members of the dublin community.

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my name is ld lewis and

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I proudly serve as the head of the

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alameda county district attorney's

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office community engagement

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and legislation division. I'm honored

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to be here this evening on behalf of

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attorney ursula jones dixon to

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accept this meaningful proclamation recognizing june

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elder abuse prevention month.

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we extend our heartfelt thanks to

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the city of dublin for standing with

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us and recognizing and addressing

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elder abuse. This proclamation reflects

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your ongoing commitment to

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protecting the safety, dignity, and

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well-being of our elders

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. Some of the most treasured yet vulnerable

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we believe that justice is only real if it reaches

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speak for themselves. Elder

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and dependent adult abuse

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often hide in plain sight. It can

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take the form of physical harm

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, emotional manipulation, financial exportation, or neglect.

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nearly half of elder mistreatment

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family member as the perpetrator.

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and institutional settings, over 64%

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to some form of abuse against older adults.

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are taking bold steps to protect older adults

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team in our victim whiston's division,

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the criminal justice system process, help

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a meaningful increase that reflects our renewed commitment

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to outreach and survivor center justice.

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room. That's why we work in close

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partnership with adult protective

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assistance for seniors, the family justice center

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, that came not just to prosecute

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wrongdoing, but to heal harm, restore dignity, and

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ensure long-term safety.

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this month, and every month, we

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reaffirm our commitment to ending

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but, we can't do this work alone,

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vigilance from all of us.

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, faith and community leaders are spreading awareness

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and policymakers like you all continuing to invest

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of a new friend or caretaker,

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respect their autonomy. The justice system

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be a barrier to dignity. It must be a

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respect. Again, thank you

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to the city of dublin for this proclamation,

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your continued partnership. Under the leadership of

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attorney ursula jones dixon, who has made

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elder abuse and community safety

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a top priority in her 100 days, we are building

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a more responsive, equitable, and compassionate system.

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county live free from fear with

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the dignity and respect they have

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proclamation. Thank you for your work.

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item 3.3, gun violence awareness day,

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and month proclamation. So, june is

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recognized nationally as gun violence awareness month. And

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many people will demonstrate their support

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valley mom's demand action.

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group, of

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volunteers in the tri-valley. Working

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to make sure our communities are safer from gun violence.

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we work to raise awareness about the

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importance of secure

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storage of firearms to protect our

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children, teens, and people in crisis

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to prevent stolen guns

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from being funneled

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into the underground

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market and used as crime guns.

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we also work to raise awareness about gun violence

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restraining orders , and how they can save lives

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when someone is in crisis of

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harming themselves or others. Additionally,

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we

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work to keep individuals with dangerous histories

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from

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possessing guns, and stopping the spread of

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a traceable firearm.

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we're all here tonight

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to thank you, mayor hu, and city council members

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and of course

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, josie.

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for taking time to proclaim

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this coming friday, june 6th, as

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national gun violence awareness day in

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the city of dublin.

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thank you for acknowledging and

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remembering all the survivors and

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victims of gun violence, and declaring

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dedication

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to do all you can to

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end this public health crisis. It

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is with deep gratitude

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that we accept this proclamation.

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you are

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true champions of gun

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violence prevention and take seriously your roles

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in doing all

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you can to protect the community here in dublin.

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we're grateful

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that for at least the past three years

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you have recognized national gun violence awareness

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day by granting a proclamation

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and lighting up

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the wavy and orange.

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by wearing orange, we do remember and

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honor those

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affected by gun violence and show our commitment

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to finding solutions

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and advocating for safer communities.

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this weekend, we want to remind everyone

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to wear orange, and also we invite you

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and the public to come to our family-friendly

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wear orange event on saturday, june 7th,

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from

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10:00 to noon. It's going to be at the

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amador valley community park in pleasanton.

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this program will include

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a program of speakers

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, a resource fair, and craft activities

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for children and adults alike.

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thank you again for

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your support and dedication and for recognizing

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national gun violence awareness day.

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>> and we will invite you over for

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a photo together. And we have a few speakers.

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>> there we go.

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three, two, and one. Got it.

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>> michelle, we

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have a few speakers, right?

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>> yes, I have two speakers lips. One of them

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was turned in on zoom, it was

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cynthia, that person is not in zoom right

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now, so we'll take the one that

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we have here in person, that's mike grant.

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>> good evening,

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48 years under the atf.

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one death is too much.

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I wonder why this council doesn't

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recognize other groups with a proclamation,

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like car accidents, 42,000 a year that

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I, 178,000 die

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from alcohol related in the united states.

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480 die

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from smoking related deaths. We all have

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, and they have many laws on

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the books for that.

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but,

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nothing the amount of gun laws that

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are on the books in this

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country, 20,000 gun laws, federal,

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state, and local. So I asked the question, are they working?

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firearm safety

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is just not a trigger lock, it's going into depth

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with training people how to handle

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a firearm safely, knowing if

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it's unloaded, and I've been to this

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council many times telling you that you

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need

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to start doing this in this town,

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but you don't. The true gun safety

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, more gun laws will not do

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it. Education does it. These

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anti-gun groups, which were just up, amongst

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every town

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for gun safety collects $187 million a year.

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yet, none of them do any

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firearm training at all.

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they hand out trigger locks. Plus,

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they take a lot of that money

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and they're running into the legislation,

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I have a complete

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list of their form 990s, just filled

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with politicians. Locals, too.

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the gifford lawrence center gets

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10 million. No training. Brady center,

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11 million, no training. Now,

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the pro-gun groups, the nra, has many training classes.

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hunting

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and safety programs for the children, over

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120,000 instructors in this country.

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I'm one of them.

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the state of california, the doj,

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has firearms trainers, 4000 of them.

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I'm one of them. All

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gun owners in california must take an fsc test

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and

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passed 23 questions out of 30 , and

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seven of those questions

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are keeping your guns locked up, and

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they sign an affidavit on it. So

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what I'm asking this council to do

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is to make one of

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these rooms available, the many that we

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have in the town that you try to rent

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to us and you got to be a 401, a 501(c) to

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get it free,

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to give it to somebody like myself

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so I can put on a true

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firearms training class for the children

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and the adults on

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how to handle, no with a gun is loaded or

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unloaded.

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this class will cover many

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things, and there's no live guns in the

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class, there will be no weapons

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on the city properties.

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we have plastic guns, but I think

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it's time that

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you guys wake up and realize if more gun

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laws are not going to

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make it, we've got enough on the books.

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I

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support what they're trying to do,

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but I think they need to come

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to the realistic version that education

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is where it's at. Thank

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you.

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>> thank you.

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>>

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that's the only speaker, I did get a

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response back from the other speaker and

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that

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person has lost their voice and will not

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be making public comments on zoom

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tonight.

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>> you want to respond? Go ahead.

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>> I just wanted to make

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a quick asked. We now have the capability to

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light city hall in

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colors as well, correct?

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>>

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correct.

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>> could we light city hall

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in orange as well as the way this year?

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>> we can. >> perfect. Wonderful.

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>> marsha has a comment, please.

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>> we

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are also doing half the month in purple

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for elder abuse awareness month. It'll

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be orange and purple.

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>> I love it,

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thank you very much. Perfect.

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>> so, 3.4,

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employee introduction.

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>> tonight, I have the pleasure of

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introducing communications intern reese maeda,

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reese joined our team yesterday, and we're

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thrilled to have her on board this summer.

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she recently earned her bachelor's

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degree in business marketing from

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san jose state university and she's

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eager to gain hands-on experience through this internship.

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she is originally from san leandro and

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regionally supported marketing

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and can medications efforts for sdsu's

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national and global engagement

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department, and also served as an adobe student ambassador.

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she hopes that her work will foster

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community and that her time here

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will leave an impact.

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in her free time, reese enjoys photography,

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watching comedy shows, playing soccer,

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and taking road trips. Reese previously

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interned and has been to dublin events,

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but she's not a dublin resident she's

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familiar with this community and she

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is excited for the opportunity, so

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please join me in welcoming reese

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after she

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shares a few words.

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>> good evening, honorable mayor and

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members of the city council. My name is

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reese maeda, I'm thrilled to be joining

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the city

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of dublin as a summer intern with the communications division.

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I am beyond happy to spend my summer here, and

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would like to

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share that I am most excited to learn more

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about this beautiful community, the

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people

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that are its foundation, and being

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able to bring

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everyday stories to life. Although

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I

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don't personally reside in the city of

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dublin, I'm constantly struck

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by the energy and liveliness that

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radiates from

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these streets and public events.

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from day one I was genuinely delighted

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to

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discover how warm, thoughtful, and

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welcoming these people are.

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I hope that my work here will continuously

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help to foster good

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community and fellowship, and that

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my time here will leave a lasting impact.

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thank you for this opportunity to

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further develop

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my skills to my professional experience, and knowledge.

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>> thank you so much, and welcome, reese.

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we have

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a token for you. And

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you're in good hands,

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I'm looking forward to having you

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in our big family and working together. Thank you.

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>> good evening, honorable mayor and council

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members. It

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is my pleasure to introduce to you my --

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joins the city clerk's office as an

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administrator technician and today

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was her

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second day on the job. Just as I am excited to have

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her join us, she is excited to join

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the city of dublin. She brings over

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15 years

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of public sector experience , including

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roles

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at the east bay regional park district in public safety

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and interpretive and recreation. And the berkeley lab

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in the workforce

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diversity office and hr. My

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seal is in hayward, has three teenagers,

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including twin teenage daughters,

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two cats and a bunny.

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during covid, she had

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a dozen backyard chickens. And in her spare time,

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mycile loves to spend time gardening, so

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let me introduce

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you to mycile.

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>> good evening, mayor

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hu and councilmembers. Thank you

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for having me today.

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I'm very excited to be part of the

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dublin team. I would have

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worn green but I wanted to support,

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the wear orange team.

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a big thank you to

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city manager colleen tribby, and city

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clerk marsha moore for bringing me on board.

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I'm looking forward to supporting the clerk's office

571
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and to help make the city government work

572
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better

573
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for the dublin community,

574
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and the community at large in the

575
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county. I

576
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live in hayward, and three teenagers.

577
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family is over there. Once

578
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,640
again, a pleasure to meet you all, thank you.

579
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:27,640
>>

580
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welcome, and thanks for having your

581
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,640
family here as well. So,

582
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we also have this for you, welcome to our city

583
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,

584
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and bring your public work experience and

585
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,640
also, we love your hobbies, a growing

586
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,240
garden, and the chickens. Excellent, welcome.

587
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:55,640
>> and thanks for the family as well. Family is here.

588
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,640
good news.

589
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,640
so,

590
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we have agenda item four, now, for public comment.

591
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at this time, the public is permitted to address

592
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,640
the city council on non-agendized items.

593
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,640
please step to the podium

594
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and clearly state your name for the record.

595
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comments should not exceed three minutes.

596
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do we have comments?

597
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:27,640
>> we do, mayor,

598
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I have five speakers.

599
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the first speaker is mike grant.

600
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>> again, mike grant, and undiluted

601
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,640
firearms training in town. I've come

602
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,840
tonight to talk about this program that

603
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,400
the dps put on.

604
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for the public safety for the citizens.

605
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,640
I want to commend them, chief fox

606
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,640
and colleen for putting that together, it's great.

607
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,640
I think there's other things

608
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:05,640
we talked about that they should probably,

609
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,640
the city citizens should see

610
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,640
, a little bit more of,

611
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,640
what we get for the bang for the buck

612
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and that

613
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,640
has to do with a lot of people came

614
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,640
up here years ago, and

615
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,640
were against basically us

616
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:20,640
using the alameda county sheriff's

617
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,640
department, and they wanted to

618
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start looking at other avenues going

619
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out and getting

620
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,640
our own police department, which is

621
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,640
very expensive. I don't think they

622
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realize exactly what we get for the dollar

623
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that we spend with them, and have

624
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all this extra

625
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coverage. It's very important

626
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:42,640
that we put some of that out to them,

627
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:43,640
I understand

628
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in the future here, three to five years out

629
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we're

630
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going to have a contract due again, I

631
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,400
think it's important that

632
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the public understands it , and if

633
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they

634
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,640
haven't taken that class, and you have

635
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,640
some kind of committee together, they

636
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,640
are not

637
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,640
on the committee, they need to take

638
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,640
that class and see what these guys

639
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,440
do every day to keep this city safe.

640
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,640
the last thing is colleen attended

641
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,640
that, and I want you all

642
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,400
to know her callsign,

643
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,640
was one adam 12. She didn't like that, but

644
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,640
that's what we called

645
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:18,640
her when we were in the cars. Just

646
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,640
thought

647
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I'd pass that on to you. Thank you,

648
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,640
colleen.

649
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:23,640
>> thank you. >> mayor,

650
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,240
the next speaker is sherry lewandowski.

651
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:43,640
>> good evening,

652
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,640
mayor, council members and staff.

653
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,640
longtime dublin resident.

654
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,640
recently, my husband and I drove down south

655
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,640
interstate

656
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,640
highway five. To visit friends and

657
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,640
after driving a couple

658
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,240
hundred miles, we realize that interstate

659
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,640
two lanes in one direction,

660
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:04,640
in the opposite direction. So

661
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,240
I'm wondering, why would dublin propose

662
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,640
to build a six lane to four-lane express area

663
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,640
for just

664
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,640
a mile and a half?

665
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,640
stretch of road to connect dublin

666
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,640
to rober moore, at a cost of

667
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,640
$160 million according to the alameda county transportation

668
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,640
report. Really? 100

669
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,640
50 million?

670
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,640
for just a mile and a half?

671
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,640
a couple meetings ago I

672
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,640
showed you this depiction of an alternate road design.

673
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,240
it's taking two existing roads already,

674
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,640
and you would only have to build a

675
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,640
third of

676
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,640
a mile road to connect those two. It accomplishes the

677
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:43,640
actual

678
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,640
open space initiative of connecting dublin

679
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,640
to livermore.

680
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,640
if you add

681
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,640
a bike lane and a pedestrian lane

682
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,640
this cost is going to be under $50

683
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,640
million. That's a lot less than the

684
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,400
160 million. This alternate design

685
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,640
fulfills the fact that it can

686
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,640
connect to two cities.

687
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,640
you don't have to go through landowner

688
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,640
properties, five of

689
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,640
them you don't need to annex unincorporated land

690
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,400
for commercial development, so

691
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,640
dublin's

692
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,640
urban limit is going to be maintained.

693
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,640
there is no

694
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,640
real impact to environment and the

695
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,640
wildlife, and we save open space.

696
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,640
livermore will not give any financial support

697
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:27,640
for this role because it includes

698
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400
commercial development on the

699
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,400
road across the property.

700
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,640
that leaves dublin with

701
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,640
a full responsibility, the whole 160 million.

702
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,640
the city's financial shows that it

703
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,640
doesn't have enough money to pay for this design.

704
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,640
the cities already taken millions of

705
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,640
dollars out

706
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,640
of the general fund.

707
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:48,640
as a loan to the trap's impact fee

708
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,640
fund, in

709
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,640
order to jumpstart the project.

710
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,640
but, how to pay back that loan and

711
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,640
pay back the balance for the

712
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,640
cost of the road are not identified and not confirmed.

713
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,640
the reason the simple two lane road

714
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:04,640
was not considered is because it

715
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,640
didn't meet the profit objectives

716
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,640
of the property owners and developers. But

717
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,640
it

718
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,640
does meet the residents financial and environmental objectives.

719
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,640
the property

720
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,640
owners and developers want the city's multilane road

721
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,640
because they will profit a

722
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,640
lot from it. And yet, they're not

723
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,640
willing to pay for it. Why

724
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,840
not? Doesn't seem fair. In my opinion,

725
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,400
the city spending $160 million

726
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,640
for a short one and a half mile road

727
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,640
doesn't make

728
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,640
financial sense. And not a good use of public money.

729
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,640
given there's a major freeway only

730
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,640
1200 feet in parallel to it.

731
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:42,640
the more important road improvement

732
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,640
needed in our city

733
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,640
to support the public safety that

734
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,640
that six or 60 million should

735
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,640
be used with the benefit of dublin residence. Thank you.

736
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,640
>> thank you.

737
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,640
>> mayor,

738
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,240
the next speaker is norm lewandowski.

739
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:04,640
>>

740
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,640
good evening. My name is norm lewandowski.

741
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,640
a

742
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,640
concerned resident of dublin. I'm

743
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,640
here also to speak about

744
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,640
the dublin extension road. Project.

745
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,440
before you decide to move forward on annexation

746
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,640
and $160 million extension road with

747
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,640
six

748
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,640
lanes and commercial development,

749
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,640
ask yourselves,

750
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,640
what would the residents have

751
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,640
said if you would have put this

752
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,400
on the 2024 measure ballot?

753
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,640
you know they would have

754
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,640
overwhelmingly voted no.

755
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,640
that's why the city perfectly used

756
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,640
misleading wording that said measure

757
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,640
ii was

758
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,400
about saving open space

759
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,640
, less traffic, cleaner air, and quicker emergency response.

760
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,640
the city had been

761
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:00,640
planning on this road since 2014 ,

762
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,640
and has already spent millions

763
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,640
before measure ii

764
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,640
was even on the ballot. Selling

765
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,640
the way it was written, was

766
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,640
a way for the city to take control

767
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,400
away from the residence

768
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,400
on the decision-making process.

769
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,640
by the way,

770
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,640
why doesn't the city show the planned commercial

771
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:24,640
development on the pictures of the

772
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,400
roadways that's on dublin's

773
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,400
woodside for this project?

774
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,640
you know what residents would

775
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,640
say if they saw this occur in open space.

776
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,640
I asked the consul to realize

777
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,640
that you

778
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:42,640
have been elected to do was in the

779
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,640
best interest of the residents, not

780
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,640
was in the best interest of developers for property owners.

781
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,400
spending $160 million based on

782
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,640
wishful funding assumptions

783
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,640
for an exorbitant road that benefits

784
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,640
only a very small percentage of

785
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,640
dublin's population makes it absolutely

786
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,640
no sense to me.

787
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,640
especially when the city's latest

788
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,640
financial data shows that

789
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,640
dublin's reserves will be depleted in 2031.

790
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,640
I can assure you that the city's current

791
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,400
extravagant extension road project

792
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,640
cutting through open space is not what residents want.

793
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,640
think about

794
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,640
this when asked to move forward with this project.

795
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,640
I wanted to add,

796
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,640
we have quite a few residents trying

797
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,640
to contact the

798
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,640
council on their website. I've

799
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,640
navigated the website myself,

800
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,640
and it's not easy. Before, there used

801
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,440
to be a contact , it used to be

802
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,400
council@dublin.ca.gov,

803
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,640
and I understand that that's not working anymore.

804
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,640
for residents to contact the

805
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,640
council, I'd like you to take a look at

806
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:05,640
that website, see if

807
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,640
you can reactivate that. Or make it more

808
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:08,640
easily to find how to

809
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,640
send in some sort of response. Thank you.

810
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,640
>> thank

811
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,640
you. We'll take the comment.

812
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,840
>> mayor, the next speaker is todd benson.

813
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,640
>> good evening, city council, my

814
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,640
name is todd benson, 12

815
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,640
year resident of dublin. What I'm

816
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,640
here to talk about is the

817
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:40,640
dublin to livermore extension. And

818
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:41,640
I

819
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,640
agree with all the comments that I've

820
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,640
heard so far, and the map,

821
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,640
which was very helpful. The cost

822
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,400
of the road extension,

823
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,640
what I've heard and confirmed,

824
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:55,640
it's roughly one 60 million now, but

825
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,640
it probably won't get started

826
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,640
for a couple years. So then

827
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,640
what will the cost really be and who's

828
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,640
going to pay for it. One

829
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,640
also has me concerned is just one

830
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,400
of the three major

831
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,640
projects dublin has planned.

832
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,640
one of them being the future dublin downtown,

833
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,640
the other being

834
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,640
the dublin sports arena, which sounds great, but

835
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,640
these two, I'm

836
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,640
sure they're more expensive

837
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,640
than the road extension, and who's

838
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,640
going to be paying

839
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:25,640
for all of this? And who benefits

840
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,400
for this? I'm concerned,

841
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,640
as they were mentioning,

842
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,640
that dublin will run out of money.

843
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,640
these aren't cheap, and who is benefiting from

844
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,640
it besides the developers? I'm just

845
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,640
very concerned at the end of the day, or the years,

846
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:40,640
we're going to end up holding most

847
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:41,640
of the bill, and the

848
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,440
developers will just make their money and go.

849
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:50,640
these are the kind of projects that

850
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,640
worry me and other residents, because we

851
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,640
don't want to get stuck with a bill.

852
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,640
we're not against development, smart

853
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,640
development, we're not against

854
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:58,640
improvements to our city. But we are

855
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,400
against paying for things

856
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:02,640
that aren't

857
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,640
well budgeted for, and is going to

858
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,400
cost all of us

859
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:08,640
a lot of money. As we

860
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,640
know right now, the state and federal

861
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,640
governments are not going to come to

862
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:13,640
our rescue, especially now. Getting

863
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,640
back to the road extension, I

864
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:16,640
hope the council will look and consider

865
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,640
this very good plan that's been

866
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,640
presented to them. I don't know about you, but

867
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:23,640
under $50 million compared to $160

868
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,640
million

869
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:25,640
for a road extension just extending

870
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,640
existing roads

871
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,400
that we already have

872
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:32,640
, in my understanding it would be a

873
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,640
third

874
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,640
of a mile to connect the two, sounds

875
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,640
brilliant. I think you guys should

876
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,640
seriously consider that. Please. And

877
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,640
I'm urging others in our community, I'm not

878
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,640
only active within my neighborhood,

879
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,400
but other local organizations.

880
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,640
and I'm

881
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,640
explaining all of this to them, I'm talking

882
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,640
about how much this is costing

883
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:55,640
us and that the city council is not really

884
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,640
doing their job in looking out

885
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:58,640
for us. I think they're looking out

886
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,640
more for the greedy developers and the landowners

887
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:02,640
who are the real beneficiaries of

888
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,640
all this.

889
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,400
so I'm urging them

890
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,640
, as was also spoken, to

891
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,640
please write and call the city council, with

892
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,400
their concerns of this

893
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,640
overspending that we just don't have,

894
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:18,640
and may run out because

895
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,640
we don't end up like pleasanton, who

896
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:20,640
does have a deficit and they're

897
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,640
shutting down their library hours.

898
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,640
so please, consider this idea, because

899
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,440
dublin residents are watching, and we will be

900
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:31,640
voting for our own needs and goals for

901
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,400
the future. Thank you.

902
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,640
>> mayor, the last speaker is

903
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,640
tony rodolfo benson.

904
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:51,640
>>

905
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,640
good evening, city council. My name

906
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,400
is sonia rodolfo benson.

907
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,640
I've been a resident of east bay

908
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,640
for 30 years, dublin resident for over 12 years,

909
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:00,640
and I would

910
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,640
like to discuss how the city council needs

911
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,640
to be more honest with dublin.

912
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,640
about the plans and development they are

913
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,640
approving and what the

914
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:07,640
cost will be, we talked about how

915
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,640
this project you're talking about that's

916
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,440
going to be parallel 580 is going to cost

917
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,640
160 million at this time.

918
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,640
the one that we're proposing is less than that.

919
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,640
I've been commuting

920
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,640
to south san francisco for many years.

921
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,640
I travel along

922
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:30,640
bonners road which

923
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,640
is only a two way road, and that works

924
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,400
out just great, along

925
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,640
580. I've also traveled

926
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,640
on black hawk, going to black

927
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,640
hawk, and this is a six lane

928
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,640
road, really wide road, and there's

929
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,640
hardly anybody there, and I travel that to teach.

930
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,400
think about it . $160 million

931
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,640
of road

932
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,640
that is probably

933
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,640
not going to be used,

934
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:02,640
versus a fraction of that that's going

935
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,640
to

936
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,640
be just as functional, and when you

937
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,640
talk about saving money, I think it

938
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,400
just makes more sense.

939
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:17,640
as a resident of dublin, I'm really

940
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:18,640
concerned about

941
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:19,640
how we're spending money, because

942
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,640
I plan to live here for many years

943
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,640
, and if we're going to lose money

944
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:24,640
and we're not

945
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,640
going to be able to pay our bills,

946
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,640
we need to pick about that. I think

947
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:29,640
safety on the roads is much more important.

948
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:30,640
I

949
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,640
traverse stagecoach road all the time, and the people

950
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:35,640
that striving that road has been speeding

951
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:36,640
all the time, not

952
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,840
stopping, maybe a speedbump there would be

953
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,400
so much more effective

954
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,640
, something that you need to think

955
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,640
about, safety of the roads rather

956
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,640
than spending so much money on a road that's

957
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,840
probably going to be not as used.

958
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,640
again, I'd like you

959
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,840
to take this into consideration, thank you.

960
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,640
>> mayor, I'd like to get clarification. As

961
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,400
far as we know,

962
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,640
the email council at --is

963
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,400
working, if anyone has

964
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,640
any

965
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,640
trouble with it, I'm happy to help, you

966
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:15,640
can find my email address under the

967
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,640
city manager's apartment and email

968
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:22,440
me and I'll work out any communication issues.

969
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:24,640
>> thank you. Any other comments? >>

970
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,640
I have no other speaker slips, mayor.

971
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,640
>> at this moment, we'll recess

972
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,640
our regular meeting and go

973
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,640
to the gad meeting, we'll call

974
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,640
that meeting to

975
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,640
order at 7:50 p.m. And then, for

976
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,640
the gad meeting, we also

977
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,640
want to see if there's any public

978
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:46,640
comments.

979
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,640
>> I have no public comment, mayor.

980
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,640
>> no public

981
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,640
comments on the g.a.d. Meeting, so we'll go

982
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,640
for the consent calendar of

983
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,640
the g.a.d. Meeting.

984
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,400
so, for consent calendar,

985
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,640
I want to ask any questions about consent calendar?

986
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,640
we're

987
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,640
in g.a.d. Meeting. We have

988
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,640
>> I'm

989
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:17,640
happy to make a motion to approve the consent calendar.

990
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,640
>>

991
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:21,640
okay, go ahead, councilmember.

992
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:22,640
>>

993
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:23,640
still trying to shift between the

994
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,400
two. But, on the

995
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,640
item 3.2 on the consent calendar,

996
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,640
not to

997
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,840
exceed amount is $1 million for each of

998
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,640
--

999
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:40,640
>> which I been? >> on the 3.2 on

1000
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:41,640
the

1001
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,640
g.h.a.d... The ngo contract.

1002
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,640
the not to exceed amount is $1 million for

1003
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,640
three years

1004
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:48,640
from each of those for each of those contracts

1005
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:49,640
and

1006
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:50,640
it doesn't appear to me as if we've

1007
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:51,640
ever come anywhere close to

1008
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,840
$1 million for g.h.a.d. Services,

1009
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,640
in any of the three, can we talk a

1010
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,640
little bit

1011
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,640
about why that not to exceed amount

1012
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,640
is set the way it is?

1013
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,640
sorry.

1014
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,640
>> good evening.

1015
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:09,640
president, and board members, the

1016
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:14,440
g.h.a.d. Engineer, that item tonight

1017
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,640
is to award three separate

1018
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,640
contracts for on-call services

1019
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,640
to ngo for each of the three guards

1020
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:21,640
in dublin, that

1021
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,640
is correct, for a three-year term

1022
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,640
with a not to exceed amount of $1 million.

1023
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,640
you are correct that in the

1024
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,640
past, looking at the last contract

1025
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,640
to be held with

1026
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:32,640
our g.h.a.d. Service consulting, we have

1027
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,640
not reached that

1028
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,640
amount in the three or five year term,

1029
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:36,640
we chose a larger amount to

1030
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,640
avoid having to potentially come back

1031
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,640
to the board

1032
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,640
for an amendment, which may sometimes

1033
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,400
delay our day-to-day activities.

1034
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,640
it is an arbitrary number but a number

1035
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,640
that we thought was

1036
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,640
reasonable given other types of contracts we had

1037
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,640
as an example on the city side for on-call services.

1038
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,640
>> there's a

1039
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,640
couple of different kinds of contracts in here,

1040
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,640
the ngo contract is for consulting,

1041
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,640
but they don't do the actual

1042
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,640
grading or hill slide work if there

1043
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,640
was another flood and there was a slight, for example.

1044
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:13,640
it's the consulting

1045
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:14,640
services for that work, correct?

1046
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:15,640
>>

1047
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:16,640
thanks for asking

1048
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,640
that, it's for a professional engineering services, it includes

1049
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:22,640
geologists, civil

1050
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,640
engineering, they also provide the gis services

1051
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,640
, they are also

1052
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:30,640
our on-call emergency response meeting the

1053
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,640
first ones on

1054
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,640
the ground when we get a call for

1055
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,640
any issues out there.

1056
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,240
it's for day-to-day services, which includes

1057
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,640
what I would say is g.h.a.d. Staff.

1058
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:43,640
it is professional services, not

1059
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,640
contract services, but contractor services.

1060
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,640
>> even in the period that included

1061
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,640
the two flood years, we

1062
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,640
didn't come close to $1 million.

1063
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,640
>>

1064
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:56,640
not for professional services, you're

1065
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:57,640
correct.

1066
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:58,640
>> it seems to me that this

1067
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:59,640
is higher

1068
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,640
than his really necessary. The contract as written,

1069
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,640
the budget

1070
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,240
, it looks like the highest amount

1071
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,640
is under $600,000 budgeted.

1072
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:18,640
for the three-year term, is that right for

1073
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:19,640
the g.h.a.d. With

1074
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,640
the most extensive consulting services ?

1075
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:24,640
>> for every year we come to the board, we

1076
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,400
bring a proposed budget

1077
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,640
for that fiscal year,

1078
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:30,640
so in every year you are correct,

1079
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:31,640
we are not coming

1080
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,640
in here that, if we're looking at potentially

1081
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,640
a five-year contract or agreement,

1082
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,640
there is a potential ,

1083
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,640
I would agree, not likely, but a potentially

1084
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,640
could exceed that amount that

1085
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:42,640
we've had in the past.

1086
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:43,640
>> these are

1087
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,640
three-year contracts.

1088
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:45,640
>>

1089
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,640
currently three-year contracts, in the past

1090
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:48,640
I would say excellent services, we

1091
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:49,640
request the board to

1092
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,240
extend that for another two years.

1093
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:57,640
we have in the past gone to a five-year

1094
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:58,640
maximum.

1095
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:59,640
>>

1096
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,640
at that point we cannot only extend the

1097
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:01,640
term but extend the not to exceed,

1098
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:02,640
correct?

1099
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,640
>> that's correct. >> okay, thank

1100
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,640
you. I would feel more comfortable

1101
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:05,640
if

1102
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:06,640
we did not have a one million-dollar

1103
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,640
not to exceed amount on these.

1104
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:10,640
on two of

1105
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,640
them, 500,000 would be more than sufficient

1106
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:13,640
and on the third

1107
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,640
600,000 would still get us there,

1108
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,640
if my math is correct.

1109
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,640
that give staff complete heartburn? That amount?

1110
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,640
>> no, staff can always return to

1111
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:25,640
the board to amend it if

1112
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,640
we need to exceed or increase the

1113
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:28,640
amount to exceed.

1114
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,640
>> okay.

1115
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,640
that would

1116
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,640
be my preference but that's just my

1117
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:34,640
preference, I don't know how the rest

1118
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:35,640
of the board feels.

1119
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:36,640
>> we have been

1120
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:37,640
using this 1 million in

1121
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:42,440
the contract for many years, or it's new?

1122
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:46,640
>> out be

1123
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,640
honest, I don't have the answer in front

1124
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:49,640
of me. I was a looking

1125
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,640
at how much our expenditures have

1126
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:52,640
been they've never been a $1 million. I

1127
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:53,640
don't

1128
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:54,640
recall what our last five-year contract

1129
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:55,640
not to exceed was, it obviously, we

1130
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:56,640
pay for

1131
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:57,640
the actual services expended and invoiced.

1132
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,640
>> so,

1133
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,640
I see there's

1134
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,640
additional cost if we want to make

1135
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,640
the change. And maybe depends if that's

1136
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,640
critical, with that make any

1137
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,640
bigger savings?

1138
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,640
seems like,

1139
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,640
you know, if we reduce our limit with

1140
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,640
that end up with more work efficiency, better savings

1141
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,640
, not that

1142
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:28,640
way? That's how I feel.

1143
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,640
>> yeah. It's just

1144
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,400
a not to exceed.

1145
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,640
we haven't collected it, that level.

1146
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,640
>> we haven't.

1147
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:42,640
I'm not sure, I agree with you and I

1148
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:43,640
like how you're looking at

1149
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,640
the different levels and what's appropriate.

1150
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,640
to me,

1151
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:48,640
this is just a provision that allows it

1152
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,640
to go up to there. It's

1153
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,640
not that we are actually

1154
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:54,640
collecting that. If it's the will

1155
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,640
of everybody else I'm fine to

1156
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:57,640
make that administered of change if there's

1157
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,640
a cost of making the administrative

1158
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,640
change, this is not that critical, but, the awareness

1159
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,640
, it's a really good point you've made.

1160
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,640
so,

1161
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:15,240
if it costs money to make that change, I'm not sure

1162
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,640
it's

1163
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:18,640
value, in my head.

1164
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:19,640
>> does it cost money

1165
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:20,640
to make that change?

1166
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,640
>> it's

1167
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:22,640
very easy to make the change.

1168
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,640
>> very easy?

1169
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:25,640
>> I think it's

1170
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,640
just an administered of thing, if

1171
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:28,640
you keep it even at three quarters

1172
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,640
of 1 million

1173
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,640
for all three, then, it doesn't

1174
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:34,640
, in my opinion it doesn't add any real

1175
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:35,640
value in

1176
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:36,640
terms of transparency or accountability. But,

1177
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,640
if it helps

1178
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:40,640
you, then, that's fine.

1179
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:41,640
>> I

1180
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:42,640
also value that point. It's just, it is

1181
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,640
a threshold.

1182
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:46,640
it's an administrative

1183
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,240
threshold. That's all that is. So,

1184
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,640
yeah, if that's easy, I'm good.

1185
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,640
>>

1186
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:57,640
in that case, I'm happy to make a motion

1187
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,640
for the entire consent calendar with

1188
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:00,640
the caveat that we have the not to exceed

1189
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,640
amount on all three contracts be

1190
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,400
three quarters of 1 million.

1191
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,640
>> all in favor, say aye. >> aye.

1192
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,240
>> thank you, the motion passed unanimously.

1193
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,640
so, let's see.

1194
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,640
we'll adjourn that meeting and reconvene

1195
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,240
the regular city council meeting now.

1196
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,240
let's go back to city council.

1197
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,640
so, now we are in city council meeting agenda

1198
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,400
number five, consent calendar.

1199
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,640
so, consent calendar items are typically

1200
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,640
noncontroversial

1201
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:42,640
in nature, and are considered for approval

1202
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,400
by the city council

1203
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,400
with one single action.

1204
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,640
so

1205
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:51,640
I want to ask councilmembers, any

1206
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:52,640
questions?

1207
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,640
>> I have several items, I

1208
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,640
have a question on 5.2, I have a potential

1209
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,640
separate motion on 5.5,

1210
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,640
and on 5.7.

1211
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,640
>>

1212
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:08,640
any from you?

1213
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,640
>> questions

1214
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:11,640
on 5.8, and 5.10.

1215
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,640
>>

1216
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,640
5.8, 5.10.

1217
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:17,640
should we

1218
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,640
pass the rest of them first, and then

1219
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:20,640
go over each of them?

1220
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,640
>>

1221
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,640
make a motion for the consent calendar, excluding

1222
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,640
items 5.2, 5.5, 5.7, 5.8, 5.10.

1223
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,640
>> second. >> so we have first and second,

1224
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:37,640
all in favor say aye.

1225
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:38,640
>> aye. >> these

1226
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:39,640
agenda items passed unanimously,

1227
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,840
so let's go back to the questions, 5.2,

1228
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:45,640
councilmember josey?

1229
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:46,640
>> item 5.2 is

1230
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,400
a masterpiece schedule, which

1231
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,640
I very much appreciate

1232
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:52,640
the summer vacation of it with the

1233
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,640
residence

1234
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,640
fees, and the nonresident, for

1235
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,640
every item, there was a couple comments

1236
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:02,640
I wanted to make.

1237
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,840
one, the blanket statement that we have

1238
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,640
, that the nonresident rate

1239
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,640
for park fees and things like that is 20% higher

1240
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:13,640
. I would love to see us call more

1241
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,640
attention to that

1242
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:17,640
in the schedule, bold it

1243
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:22,640
or somehow make it a little bit more obvious

1244
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:23,640
so that nobody gets

1245
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,640
shocked. I don't know that a ton of people look at

1246
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,640
this,

1247
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,640
mostly people just go

1248
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:31,640
through their cart on the website,

1249
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:32,640
but I still don't want surprises

1250
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:33,640
for residents or nonresidents when they're looking

1251
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:34,640
at our fee structure and then they

1252
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:35,640
go to

1253
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,640
check out and they're like wait a

1254
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:38,640
minute, I thought it was this rate,

1255
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,640
so that would be one comment I would

1256
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:41,640
have, and my second comment is on

1257
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,640
the wave, have we ever thought about having

1258
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,640
a

1259
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,640
senior rate for the wave?

1260
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:49,640
we do have a lot of multigenerational

1261
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,640
families in

1262
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,640
dublin, and we have a

1263
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:55,640
lot of grandparents to stay home with

1264
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,640
the kids in the summer, and I

1265
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,640
would love to see us, if it's

1266
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,640
the will of council if we could investigate

1267
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,640
having a senior rate for both the

1268
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,640
wave and also lap swimming. Whatever

1269
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,400
age that might be,

1270
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:11,640
I wanted to hear if

1271
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,640
that's something that would be feasible.

1272
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,640
something along the same lines as

1273
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,400
perhaps the veteran rate

1274
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:20,640
to have a senior rate as well.

1275
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:21,640
>>

1276
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,640
anything is feasible, that's your guys's prerogative.

1277
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,240
>> could I add seniors and disabled?

1278
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,640
>> sure.

1279
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:31,640
>> mayor and council members, I think

1280
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:32,640
we had

1281
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,640
investigated a fee related to the disabled category.

1282
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,640
I

1283
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:42,400
feel like I recall that we had some challenges

1284
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,640
in defining

1285
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:46,640
what that is. So we'll go back and

1286
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,640
do that work again, I just

1287
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:49,640
want to make you aware that we talked about

1288
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,640
this before and I recall

1289
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:52,640
having some challenges related to,

1290
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,640
how

1291
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,640
do you define that? But,

1292
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,640
we will work on that,

1293
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:01,640
the senior one clearly is easy.

1294
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,640
>>

1295
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:07,640
an arbitrary age, whatever social

1296
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,400
security retirement is, if

1297
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,640
we decide to call it 65,

1298
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:13,640
but I would love to see if we can

1299
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,640
figure out a

1300
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:16,640
way to make that happen.

1301
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,640
>> 55? >> maybe not

1302
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:20,640
, maybe something just a little bit

1303
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:21,640
higher

1304
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:22,640
than that, I think. That would be

1305
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,640
great whatever standard for the

1306
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:29,440
area, whatever the park services call senior rate.

1307
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:31,640
might be instead of us trying to make a

1308
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,640
determination based on

1309
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:35,640
how old we are.

1310
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:36,640
>> we can keep it

1311
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,640
simple, senior and youth can be the same rate.

1312
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,640
just a random

1313
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:43,640
recommendation.

1314
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:44,640
>> the youth is by height,

1315
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,640
we have,

1316
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,400
in the wave, we

1317
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:50,640
have the little kids, because of the

1318
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,640
slides

1319
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:53,640
and all that, it's by height. I would

1320
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:54,640
leave

1321
00:54:54,640 --> 00:55:00,400
it up to park staff. To make the ages.

1322
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:05,640
[ inaudible ]

1323
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,640
>> but that's

1324
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,640
for next time.

1325
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:13,640
>> we can update it at any time. >>

1326
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,640
we can

1327
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:16,640
implement a senior rate. As soon as

1328
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,640
I talk

1329
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,640
to the wave staff, we can get something put in immediately.

1330
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:22,640
there will be some stipulations around it,

1331
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:23,640
we're going to have to investigate

1332
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,640
whether or not, with the veteran rate

1333
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:26,640
it's something they have to purchase

1334
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,640
in

1335
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,640
person, because it's how active net is set up,

1336
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:32,640
I assume

1337
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,640
seniors would be something relatively

1338
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,640
the same, they would need to do it on site.

1339
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,640
>> we would do the same

1340
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:40,640
thing for height restrictions. So that

1341
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,240
anything that's off of the normal

1342
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:46,640
full price, you would have to do on

1343
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:47,640
purpose because you're certifying

1344
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:48,640
that

1345
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:49,640
you are, in fact, that age for that height.

1346
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,640
in order to get the

1347
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:52,640
discount.

1348
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:53,640
>> we can get it started

1349
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:54,640
.

1350
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:55,640
>> that would

1351
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,640
be fine with me.

1352
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:58,640
that would be great, since we're rolling

1353
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,400
into a summer season.

1354
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,640
that would be great.

1355
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:04,640
those are my questions on that item.

1356
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,640
>> at 5.2. 5.5?

1357
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,640
>> that's me again.

1358
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,640
I think it's the very ,

1359
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:13,640
stay where you are. Now I need to

1360
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,640
find in my

1361
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,400
notes webpage that's on.

1362
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,640
page 122 is probably, or page 92,

1363
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,240
is the best way to go.

1364
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:31,640
I don't feel that this particular one,

1365
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,640
I love all

1366
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,840
the rest of them, this particular box 9,

1367
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,640
that looks like it's not all about, so much

1368
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:51,640
as it is

1369
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,640
about, a toxic cloud. I don't know

1370
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,640
if it's

1371
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:57,640
the colors, or what, it

1372
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:03,640
didn't fit the theme of what we were going for,

1373
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,640
but, to me, it evokes exactly the opposite

1374
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,640
of what we're trying to promote,

1375
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:11,640
I wanted to pull that to see what

1376
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,640
the rest of

1377
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,240
you thought of it, and see

1378
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:20,640
this is not one that I would love to

1379
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,640
see on a

1380
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,640
utility box in dublin,

1381
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:26,640
promoting the theme of nature in the

1382
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:27,640
urban environment because it

1383
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:28,640
doesn't evoke nature to me, it evokes

1384
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,640
toxic fumes and trying to avoid them.

1385
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:33,640
I think it's

1386
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,640
just a meeting but I wanted to pointed

1387
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,640
out to the

1388
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:38,640
rest of you.

1389
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:39,640
>> to be honest, this

1390
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,640
one sort of

1391
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:42,640
caught me off guard as well, but

1392
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,640
I read the artist statement, and felt

1393
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,400
better about it. It

1394
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:48,640
reminds you of the wall the

1395
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,640
type story line where, if we don't start protecting our

1396
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,640
environment, here's the doomsday scenario.

1397
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,640
I think it's quite clever

1398
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,640
and I like it, but again, the art is

1399
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,640
very, very objective.

1400
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:06,640
or subjective, rather.

1401
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,640
>>

1402
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:12,640
I liked

1403
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,640
what the artist had to say that when you

1404
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,640
drive by, get the opportunity to read with

1405
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:17,640
the artist had to say about it, I

1406
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:18,640
think that she or he, the

1407
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:19,640
artist was going for the beauty is

1408
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,400
overtaking the urban environment,

1409
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,640
life will out sort of thing.

1410
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,400
that's not what the

1411
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,640
image evokes to me. So

1412
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:32,640
I just wanted to, I think that I'll

1413
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,640
be voting

1414
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,640
against this particular one. And so

1415
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:38,640
if you'll indulge me, I'd like to

1416
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:39,640
make the motion when we

1417
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,640
get there. But if the rest of you

1418
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:47,440
love it I'm happy to be voted down.

1419
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,640
>> I did a look

1420
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:50,640
at each of them, I love a lot of them.

1421
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,400
I really love them.

1422
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,640
and even this one,

1423
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,640
I kind of understand why you feel that way,

1424
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,640
but,

1425
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:06,640
I thought, it's okay. That's

1426
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,640
how I feel, it's great, I understand

1427
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,640
more about it, that's how I feel.

1428
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:14,640
maybe make some change to the color to make it

1429
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,640
more lighthearted somehow.

1430
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,640
that's how I feel. But I'm good.

1431
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,640
mike, how do you feel?

1432
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:26,640
>> I thought it was cool. It's different

1433
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,640
than the other

1434
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,640
ones, and in my mind, each

1435
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,640
one of these has a different message.

1436
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,840
and a different angle for the message,

1437
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:42,640
and I see it as a little different

1438
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:43,640
than the

1439
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:44,640
other ones, but I don't like it when everything

1440
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,400
else is the same.

1441
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,400
so, I personally don't

1442
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,640
have a problem with it. I thought

1443
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,640
the artist did a really good job. It's different.

1444
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:56,640
it's interesting. People are going to

1445
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,640
look

1446
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:00,640
at it and go, it's a

1447
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,640
utility box. No, they're going to say,

1448
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,640
that's a really cool thing, they'll

1449
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,640
figure out what the heck is going on.

1450
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:09,640
>> I think the art itself

1451
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:14,640
is very cool, being part of this panel of,

1452
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,640
I'm happy to have someone else

1453
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:17,640
make a motion.

1454
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,640
>> we go through everything and

1455
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:21,640
then we can vote.

1456
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,640
>> and then

1457
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,640
5.7 is, the agreement

1458
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,640
for the additional library services,

1459
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:30,640
it's got the automatic. You again,

1460
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:31,640
I

1461
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:32,640
pulled all your items. The agreement

1462
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,640
with the services

1463
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,640
has an automatic 5% escalator

1464
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:38,640
. What are we getting for additional hours?

1465
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,640
are we

1466
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:41,640
just paying for staff?

1467
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,640
>> I can try to get

1468
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:44,640
you my broad understanding of it and

1469
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,640
the library was generous enough

1470
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,640
to send staff here to answer more specific budgetary questions

1471
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,640
if I can't cover everything.

1472
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,640
it is my understanding that it does

1473
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,640
cover staff, it also covers an increase in

1474
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:05,400
insurance premiums as well as increase in utility costs.

1475
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:06,640
because it is a pass-through, so

1476
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,640
we paid utility cost up-front for that

1477
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:09,640
building and we charge them back for

1478
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:10,640
their

1479
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:11,640
portion of it that they actually use.

1480
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,640
utility costs do go up for them. They

1481
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,400
don't have a standard,

1482
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,640
it's for some of their employee raises,

1483
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:20,640
it's about the cpi because of the

1484
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,400
way their unions negotiate

1485
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:29,640
salary increases. If you have more specific questions,

1486
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,640
darshan is here to hopefully be

1487
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:32,640
able to answer those for you.

1488
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,640
>> so,

1489
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:36,640
you threw me a little bit, I get the

1490
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,640
insurance.

1491
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,640
we paid the insurance or they pay

1492
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:41,640
the insurance?

1493
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,400
>> we mean worker's compensation.

1494
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,640
okay. And

1495
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,640
so, they pay that and

1496
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:50,640
we are paying that for those hours.

1497
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,640
>> that's correct. >>

1498
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,640
and that goes up, do we know

1499
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:57,640
, that's an incremental every year,

1500
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:58,640
do we

1501
01:01:58,640 --> 01:01:59,640
know the percentage that that is ,

1502
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,640
we don't

1503
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,640
really know that yet. And

1504
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,640
the utilities, you threw me because we pay

1505
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:09,640
on that building and we charge them back

1506
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:10,640
for all of

1507
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:11,640
the hours that they're using it or

1508
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,640
only the hours that are

1509
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,240
part of the original , is it 28? 23?

1510
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:22,640
>> again,

1511
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,640
I'm not sure of the breakdown. I know

1512
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:25,640
that we pay for it up-front and

1513
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,640
we get charged back a certain amount, but

1514
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:28,640
perhaps you know a better answer

1515
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:29,640
for that.

1516
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,640
>> basically, this contract

1517
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,400
covers staff cost, and

1518
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,640
if you are interested

1519
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,640
in the 5% increase, so basically ,

1520
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,400
it is more than 5%.

1521
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,400
cost of materials is

1522
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,400
going up, we are

1523
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:52,640
buying a lot of material that

1524
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,640
people are using online materials,

1525
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,640
so that is getting expensive.

1526
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,640
showed us what has gone up, maybe 10%,

1527
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,400
utilities are going up,

1528
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:04,640
so

1529
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,640
the cost of doing business is more than 5%,

1530
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,640
but that is

1531
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,640
,

1532
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,640
agreement we agreed that

1533
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,640
we will not increase more than 5%.

1534
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,840
that's what we do with other cities.

1535
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:22,640
>> the materials

1536
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,640
and stuff, though, those are fixed cost, yes?

1537
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:27,640
if we didn't increase the hours, those costs

1538
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,640
would still

1539
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:30,640
be borne by alameda county.

1540
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:31,640
>> yes,

1541
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:32,640
the hours

1542
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,640
increase is basically keeping open,

1543
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,640
and all that, but, when we do that

1544
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,640
overhead expenses.

1545
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,640
material cost

1546
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,640
and other costs coming to that overhead as well. So,

1547
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,640
overall cost of doing business.

1548
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,640
so, I

1549
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:55,640
can get the detail like that,

1550
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,640
is funded by three different sources.

1551
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,640
number

1552
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,240
one is property tax. Property tax,

1553
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,640
we get about

1554
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,640
1% of total property tax collected.

1555
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,640
we

1556
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,400
have that property tax.

1557
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,640
dublin has an assessed value

1558
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,240
of over 3.4 billion. Where is overall

1559
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,400
area has an assessed

1560
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,400
value of 159 billion. About

1561
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,640
50% of the total property taxes

1562
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,640
5.5 million. And

1563
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,840
the seven of this contract, 700,000, that funds 23.

1564
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,640
to fund even,

1565
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,240
we used to keep friday open.

1566
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,640
so the city comes back to say,

1567
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,640
we're going

1568
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,640
to add more of, the last couple of years,

1569
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:04,640
[

1570
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,640
inaudible ] over there, and the cost

1571
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,400
of keeping one open

1572
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,400
is about 30,000 annually. So,

1573
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,640
and other utilities,

1574
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,400
if we keep it

1575
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,640
more open, we use more utility,

1576
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,640
that is how it is calculated.

1577
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,640
and then the third part is like,

1578
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,640
we contribute the 500,000,

1579
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,400
that is the budget,

1580
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,240
if you look at that budget.

1581
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,640
[ inaudible ]

1582
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,640
and 51 hours, that's

1583
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:58,440
the most open hours in the entire system.

1584
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,640
[ inaudible

1585
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:07,640
]

1586
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,640
>> I understand.

1587
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,640
my questions are, there are fixed

1588
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,640
costs and their hourly cost.

1589
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:15,640
if the city of dublin decided we had

1590
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,640
a budget crisis tomorrow and one

1591
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,640
of the things we had to cut for the library hours,

1592
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:21,640
the citizens of dublin, residents of

1593
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,400
dublin would be able

1594
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,640
to get their books online. They

1595
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:27,640
would still be able to take advantage

1596
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,640
of the whole collection online, correct?

1597
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,400
all of the materials.

1598
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,640
the books

1599
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:36,640
would still be there for the number of

1600
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,640
hours that the library was open that

1601
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,640
the county pays for, correct? That cost wouldn't change.

1602
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,640
we would still be

1603
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:45,640
paying the utilities on that building

1604
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:46,640
all the time, utility costs would

1605
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:47,640
go down,

1606
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,640
if there's nobody in their the lights are not on,

1607
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,640
and we would still be passing on a lower cost

1608
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:54,640
to the county for the hours the county

1609
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,400
was in there, right?

1610
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,640
the cost that we

1611
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:00,640
would no longer be paying for would

1612
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,640
be for the

1613
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,640
personnel to staff it while in the extra

1614
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,640
hours that we were there,

1615
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:09,640
and the workers comp for those hours

1616
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:10,640
while they were working, and

1617
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,640
the utilities during those hours.

1618
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,640
but we

1619
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:15,640
shouldn't be, in my opinion, we should

1620
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,400
not be paying, we

1621
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:19,640
should be picking up a , we should

1622
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:20,640
be

1623
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:24,240
dividing the cost of the collection

1624
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:27,640
by the 23 hours you pay for, the 28

1625
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,640
hours we pay for, vice versa, that

1626
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,640
was fixed costs that the county would be paying anyway.

1627
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:37,640
that shouldn't be part of the hourly calculation.

1628
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:38,640
>> only paying

1629
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,640
$700,000 out of the $6 million budget.

1630
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:44,640
city comes back to the library

1631
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,640
to keep that open for more offers,

1632
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,640
>> I understand that. >> so basically,

1633
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,840
for the 28 hours that we keep open,

1634
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,640
the $5 million expense,

1635
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,640
is not directly the same

1636
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,400
as all the materials,

1637
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,640
like

1638
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:10,640
I.t. Cost.

1639
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,640
>> my question, my original question is

1640
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,640
what is in what we pay

1641
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:16,640
for, and why is it going up by 5%

1642
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,640
instead

1643
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:20,640
of by cola, basically?

1644
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:21,640
>>

1645
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,640
most of the staff cost is utilities.

1646
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,640
that staff

1647
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,640
is more than 5%.

1648
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,640
some of them are 7% increases.

1649
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,400
so, that's the cost.

1650
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,400
we do that with

1651
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,640
every city, 5%, we do 5% increase.

1652
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:49,640
>> I guess I just want to be able

1653
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:50,640
to see

1654
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,240
those breakdowns. Thank you, appreciate it.

1655
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,640
>> I have questions on this as well,

1656
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:01,640
I want to be more fundamental on this. The question was

1657
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,640
, it's very basic, why are we seeing

1658
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:07,640
an increase in cost, and what's really driving it, and

1659
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,640
councilmember went in to fix the variable structures.

1660
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,240
what I'm more interested in is,

1661
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:16,640
this might be a question that can

1662
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:17,640
be quickly answered, are

1663
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:22,440
you providing all the detail to the city

1664
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,400
the breakdown of these

1665
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,640
different characteristics?

1666
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:29,640
so we can figure out what's really driving

1667
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,640
it? It's a fundamental question. Do you

1668
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,640
provide the city

1669
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,640
with a detailed breakdown, of the whole thing.

1670
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,640
>> we can

1671
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,640
write any additional information if

1672
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,640
there is any other information

1673
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:47,640
, we can provide that.

1674
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,640
>>

1675
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,640
it was a basic question, do

1676
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,640
you provide that information

1677
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:55,640
for the city to evaluate the detail,

1678
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:56,640
or,

1679
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:57,640
>> we

1680
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:58,640
do provide. We do provide whatever

1681
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,400
we are asked for.

1682
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:02,640
for the last couple of days we have

1683
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,640
been

1684
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,640
going on the email, provided.

1685
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,240
the questions that were raised. So,

1686
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,640
that's

1687
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,640
basically, whatever questions

1688
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:17,640
you

1689
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,640
have, we have the information, we

1690
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,640
can provide more detail. This

1691
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,400
can be, like when

1692
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,400
we do the business,

1693
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,640
like we are supposed to close the library

1694
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,640
at 5:00, to keep it open to

1695
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,640
8:00, three hours, we need staff

1696
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,640
for that three hours, we need

1697
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:40,640
utilities for three hours, and the

1698
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,640
staff cost is going up.

1699
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,640
so we asked steady to

1700
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,640
increase 5%,

1701
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:52,640
>> so I want my question answered.

1702
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,640
okay? I appreciate that,

1703
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:55,640
that you're answering her question

1704
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,400
that I didn't ask.

1705
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,640
my question is, I think it would be

1706
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:01,640
a good thing to simply provide the city with

1707
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,640
a full detail

1708
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,640
of what

1709
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,640
these costs are about,

1710
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,640
so we can assess what's driving it, and I had

1711
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,640
an easy question I was about to lead

1712
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,640
into, so I apologize for being a

1713
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,640
little abrupt, but I didn't wanted to digress.

1714
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:22,640
we go through these evaluations periodically,

1715
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,640
and

1716
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,640
I do see the value of having full service

1717
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,640
,

1718
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:31,640
and we certainly don't want to be

1719
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,640
in a situation like some of our

1720
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,640
cities that we know of, but, I am curious,

1721
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,640
about,

1722
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,640
on the baseline,

1723
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,640
it's 28 hours.

1724
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:47,640
how many

1725
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,240
very fundamentally, generally speaking, how many

1726
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,640
ftes, how many people are involved in that baselevel?

1727
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,640
and on the incremental, is

1728
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,640
it more or less the same? In

1729
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:04,640
terms of, the numbers of people that,

1730
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,640
that we are paying

1731
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,640
for for this service. You understand the question?

1732
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,640
>> yeah. The number of people

1733
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,640
will depend on if we're opening additional

1734
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,640
, three more hours, we will need

1735
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,400
the same that we

1736
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,640
during regular hours.

1737
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,640
for these three hours, there will be additional,

1738
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,640
additional

1739
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,640
staff, and we can extend hours for the same staff.

1740
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,640
so some staff will

1741
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,640
continue more hours, some staff we have

1742
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,640
for part-time employees.

1743
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,240
we have service as needed employees.

1744
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,400
we have to, like

1745
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,640
keep that open and

1746
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,640
provide the staff, and it depends on like

1747
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,400
rush hour morning, afternoon,

1748
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:05,640
so the project manager makes a decision how many staff

1749
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:06,640
.

1750
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:07,640
>> so, it's

1751
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:08,640
not like, okay, back three years ago

1752
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,640
you had x

1753
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:12,640
number of people allocated

1754
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,240
for the base, and the incremental.

1755
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:18,640
it doesn't change, or

1756
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,240
it does, it actually does change?

1757
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:23,640
these numbers, here, that I'm looking at,

1758
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,400
the actual funding amounts,

1759
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,640
the number of hours,

1760
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:29,640
it could be different year to year,

1761
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,640
we

1762
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:32,640
could be getting five people at some,

1763
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,640
for

1764
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:35,640
a certain amount of hours, or we could

1765
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,640
be getting four or whatever.

1766
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:41,640
it's moving around. Is that, I'm trying

1767
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,640
to get a feel.

1768
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:44,640
you talk about other things and insurance,

1769
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,640
I'm

1770
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,640
focusing on the actual employees.

1771
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,640
>> the actual

1772
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,400
employees, so, I think

1773
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,640
maybe she can explain it better.

1774
01:13:58,640 --> 01:13:59,640
when the extended hours, how many

1775
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:01,640
staff they

1776
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,400
are using, and so,

1777
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:06,640
--

1778
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,640
>> I just want to be clear.

1779
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:09,640
as concise as possible, I don't want

1780
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:10,640
to

1781
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:11,640
use up all your good time. I just

1782
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:13,640
want to get an idea of

1783
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:14,640
when we're presented with a baseline

1784
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,640
of

1785
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,400
28, what's the expectation? And

1786
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,640
we're adding 23,

1787
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,400
what is the expectation?

1788
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:29,640
it's good to see you again, haven't

1789
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:30,640
seen you in a

1790
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:31,640
long time.

1791
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,400
>> I'm the ranch manager.

1792
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:35,640
so, we are open like you said 51 hours

1793
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,640
a week, our full-time

1794
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,640
is 18.8. We have only nine full-time staff,

1795
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,640
and I

1796
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,240
want to say 18 part-time staff. And,

1797
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,640
because staff is scheduled to work

1798
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:55,640
7 1/2 hours a day, but we're open 10

1799
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:56,640
hours a day, that's why we need a lot

1800
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,400
of part-time staff, right?

1801
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,640
as far as traffic is concerned, I

1802
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:03,640
can tell you, it's not five

1803
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:05,640
people. If you look at the average,

1804
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:07,640
we have about 100 people

1805
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,640
in our end of the library, we're really busy.

1806
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,640
and I understand, as you mentioned, people

1807
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:15,640
can use

1808
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,640
material and get everything at home,

1809
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,640
people

1810
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,400
need more than that.

1811
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:24,640
they want to visit their local

1812
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:25,640
library, they want to attend programs, our

1813
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,640
programs are very well attended. We

1814
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,640
really promote early literacy, and

1815
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,640
I can tell you that

1816
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,640
in the summer, we have to have

1817
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:36,640
new programs. Last week, we had

1818
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,240
92 people lined up for baby time.

1819
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:42,640
so it's only

1820
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,840
going up, it's not going down, because

1821
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:50,640
we believe in equity and everything

1822
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:51,640
is free in the library and not

1823
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,640
everyone can afford to go pay for different

1824
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:54,640
programs to attend programs. So everybody

1825
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:55,640
comes

1826
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,640
to the library to see what they can get for free.

1827
01:15:58,640 --> 01:15:59,640
and to get their bang for the buck.

1828
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,640
>> so the formula

1829
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:03,640
is not

1830
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:04,640
straightforward. It's complicated,

1831
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:05,640
right? Depending on the needs and

1832
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,640
the programs.

1833
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,400
so, when I'm given

1834
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:15,640
a summary chart that says here's our

1835
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:16,640
expenses

1836
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:17,640
and the number of hours we're asking for

1837
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,640
and the numbers are going up, you

1838
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:20,640
kind of look at it and say what's

1839
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,400
driving it? Is it

1840
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:29,640
a number of employees? I wanted to

1841
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,640
keep it simple, but now, listening to

1842
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:32,640
you it's, it's a little more complicated

1843
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,640
than that. It sounds like. Okay.

1844
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,640
I guess, in ending my comments,

1845
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:39,640
or question, I think it would be good

1846
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,640
if

1847
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,640
the city hasn't received detail,

1848
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,640
it would be good , at

1849
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,640
least to have a little more detail

1850
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,640
on this, so that we could see it.

1851
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:54,640
that's my only

1852
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,640
request and recommendation, if we

1853
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,400
don't already have it.

1854
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,640
>> thank you. I want to say something.

1855
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,640
I used to be , what

1856
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,640
do they call, a liaison committee,

1857
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:08,640
also friends with the libraries. I

1858
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,640
know

1859
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:12,640
this is critically important to have

1860
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:14,640
the hours

1861
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:20,400
we are providing, and dublin only has one library,

1862
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:21,640
and sarah mel has

1863
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,640
two, so in the past we talked about

1864
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,640
how we can serve so many people

1865
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,640
with only one library, so

1866
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,640
this is a great way. My self , I

1867
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:33,640
sometimes just go there because I

1868
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:34,640
just want to

1869
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:35,640
have a place I can sit down without

1870
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,640
any distractions.

1871
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:42,640
so I think this is critically important

1872
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:43,640
to have

1873
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:47,640
the services that we provide to our residents,

1874
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,640
and I understand you talk about

1875
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,640
the 5%, it's a little bit

1876
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:53,640
more than cpi, so I would like to say

1877
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,640
maybe we just ask staff to

1878
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,400
look into the details

1879
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:00,640
to make sure it's reasonable. I'm

1880
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:01,640
sure it

1881
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:02,640
is but, we have councilmember comments and then, if

1882
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,640
you want

1883
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,640
staff can report back to you. The

1884
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:07,640
details of those.

1885
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:08,640
>> I

1886
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,640
think one of the questions , I think

1887
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:17,640
we should be able to get that level of information.

1888
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,640
>> go ahead, vice mayor. >> just two questions.

1889
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:24,640
thank you for the presentation and for the details.

1890
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,640
in terms of online material,

1891
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,640
how do you track that to a particular branch

1892
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,640
is my first question. And

1893
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:33,640
the second question is, in terms of

1894
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,640
the

1895
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:36,640
hours, obviously we were, the county

1896
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,640
provides the

1897
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:40,640
base level of 28

1898
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:42,640
, we've been providing the additional 23

1899
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,640
hours of services per week,

1900
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,400
have we looked at

1901
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:49,640
hourly utilization,

1902
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,640
and if 23 is the right number, and

1903
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,640
are we extending

1904
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:55,640
the correct

1905
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,640
23 hours over the course of the week.

1906
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,640
>>

1907
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,640
so we do have a device

1908
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:04,640
that counts the number of

1909
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:05,640
people that enter the building every

1910
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:06,640
hour, and we can produce that report

1911
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,640
that shows

1912
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,640
foot traffic at different days and different hours.

1913
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,640
we usually

1914
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:16,640
look at that report. But we

1915
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:21,640
haven't looked at it in great detail to see

1916
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:22,640
, I

1917
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:23,640
know that saturday, sunday are our

1918
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,640
busiest days, monday evening, tuesday

1919
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:26,640
evenings are busiest days. And when

1920
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,640
we have programs it's busy, it's hard to predict.

1921
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:32,640
and

1922
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:34,640
for example,

1923
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,640
december is our slow time of the year.

1924
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,640
when

1925
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:42,640
kids go back to school in august, september, so,

1926
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,640
it's different.

1927
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,640
it depends on so many factors. That

1928
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:48,640
was one question, the second question

1929
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,400
was about the e-books

1930
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,400
and how you contract.

1931
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:56,640
it's trackable, because

1932
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:58,640
when customers

1933
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,640
make a library card, you can designate

1934
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,400
dublin as a resident.

1935
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,400
it's, I don't know ,

1936
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,640
I'm not

1937
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:10,640
in the department that

1938
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,640
generates the report. It's doable, I'm

1939
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,640
sure. We can get that

1940
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,640
, like how many e-books are checked out

1941
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:18,640
by dublin residents is the question I guess.

1942
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,640
>>

1943
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,640
I was more

1944
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:24,640
curious how you attributed to a particular branch

1945
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:25,640
as opposed

1946
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:29,240
to general in terms of utilization.

1947
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,640
>> that

1948
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,400
attract who is using.

1949
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,640
>> we can track

1950
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:40,640
how many new

1951
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:41,640
cards were issued to the city of dublin

1952
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,640
residents, for example. It's doable.

1953
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,640
if you're looking for those reports,

1954
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:48,640
we can produce those.

1955
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:49,640
>> I was more interested

1956
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:50,640
in the hourly

1957
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,640
utilization and trying to get an understanding,

1958
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:54,640
the type of hours that we're providing as

1959
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:56,640
well as are

1960
01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:58,640
those the right ones? The quantity

1961
01:20:58,640 --> 01:20:59,640
as well

1962
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:03,840
as the specific timings that we're extending.

1963
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:07,640
>> thank you. Thank you for the great

1964
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,640
information,

1965
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:11,640
I want to make really clear

1966
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:12,640
that my questions were about the escalator,

1967
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:13,640
the 5%

1968
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,640
escalator, not the value of the additional

1969
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:18,640
hours. I want to make

1970
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,640
really clear that I'm all in

1971
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:21,640
on the additional hours, I know you

1972
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,640
were trying to defend the library,

1973
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:25,640
our library in dublin is one of the

1974
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,640
heaviest utilized in the county, we

1975
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:33,400
know that. It's also one of the most popular

1976
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,640
amenities we have in dublin when

1977
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:36,640
we ask, we're about to do the community

1978
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:37,640
service again that our committee ranks

1979
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:38,640
among

1980
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,640
the highest things that they love about dublin.

1981
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,640
you all do

1982
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:45,640
great work, I appreciate what you do

1983
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:46,640
and what your staff does, and for

1984
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,640
anybody who doesn't know the history

1985
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,640
of why we have the extra hours that we

1986
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:52,640
have, that's a council request. It's

1987
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:53,640
not a

1988
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:54,640
request from alameda county library,

1989
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,640
it was about a request from us,

1990
01:21:56,640 --> 01:22:00,640
vice mayor biddle requested it every year to increase

1991
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,640
two

1992
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:03,640
hours a year, until we got to where

1993
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,640
we are to continue to

1994
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:07,640
add budget every year on every budget

1995
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,640
cycle until we could increase the

1996
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,640
hours to where we are now and that's something

1997
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:12,640
that has been near and dear to council

1998
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,400
for a long time.

1999
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,640
I support data, as

2000
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:18,640
you know, and I agree with your request

2001
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,640
to make sure it's the right additional

2002
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,400
hours that are open,

2003
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:27,640
and there's been conversation about friday's,

2004
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:28,640
not fridays over the years to make

2005
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:29,640
sure

2006
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:30,640
that we're open the hours that our

2007
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,640
residents want us to be open, and

2008
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,640
if we even made an attempt to cut back

2009
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:36,640
our residents would be lined up 20

2010
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,640
but the microphone asking us

2011
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:40,640
not to do that. I want to make sure

2012
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:41,640
that I was

2013
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:42,640
clear, that my questions were not about

2014
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:44,640
and not going in the direction of trying

2015
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:45,640
to reduce those hours. It is about

2016
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,640
,

2017
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:48,640
what are we paying for? What goes

2018
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:49,640
into that number and why an automatic

2019
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,640
escalator,

2020
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,640
when it's basically staff costs,

2021
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,640
instead of

2022
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:58,640
having to be cpi each year, what's going into that

2023
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:00,640
.

2024
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,640
>> are we good on this item?

2025
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,640
okay. Okay, additional.

2026
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:08,640
5.8 .

2027
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:14,640
waste

2028
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:15,640
management.

2029
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:16,640
>> thank you. >> thank you.

2030
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,640
>> just a quick question,

2031
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:19,640
this was coming from councilmember

2032
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:20,640
morada around why

2033
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:21,640
we don't have a rate hike ceiling

2034
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:25,640
on our contracts for the waste management.

2035
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,640
and seems like his words,

2036
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:29,640
were at

2037
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:34,640
a disadvantage every time given these contracts are long-term,

2038
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:35,640
so

2039
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,640
I was hoping you could speak to that.

2040
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:40,640
>> I want to make sure I understand

2041
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,640
the question, the question is why

2042
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:47,440
do we not have a max annual rate?

2043
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:49,640
for our contracts? Disposal contract?

2044
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,640
>>

2045
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:54,640
it's more,

2046
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:59,640
without any ceiling to that, any limit

2047
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,640
to that upper limit, looking at the

2048
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:02,640
year over

2049
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:03,640
year increases.

2050
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,640
>> so, for disposal, there is

2051
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,640
a great

2052
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,240
limit, a rate adjustment, for the

2053
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,640
first year it's 6%, for years

2054
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,640
two through 10,

2055
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,640
it's 7%.

2056
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:25,640
the reason why it goes up a little bit

2057
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:26,640
is because we've been

2058
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:28,640
in this contract with waste management

2059
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:29,640
for

2060
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,840
the previous 10 years, and they've fallen behind

2061
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,400
on the disposal rates .

2062
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:38,640
so, we're

2063
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:42,840
allowing a little bit of a catch-up,

2064
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,640
so it's basically cpi plus a

2065
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,400
max 3.5% for that catch-up,

2066
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,640
but it can't exceed 7% per year.

2067
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:54,640
for disposal.

2068
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:57,640
for organics,

2069
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,640
there is not a ceiling,

2070
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,640
in the agreement,

2071
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,400
but the rate is

2072
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:08,640
better than what we've had,

2073
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,640
and of course we have to approve these

2074
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,640
rates. The city approved the rates annually, so

2075
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:16,240
if they're proposing something that's excessive,

2076
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,640
then we

2077
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,640
can deny those adjustments.

2078
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:25,640
>> okay, and then in terms of the recycling

2079
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:26,640
.

2080
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,640
>> recycling in this contract?

2081
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,640
we're in

2082
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:34,640
negotiations right now with aci, alameda county

2083
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,400
, recycling is not part

2084
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:38,640
of this agreement.

2085
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:40,640
>> okay.

2086
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,400
and just, my question

2087
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,640
, one additional question is, the

2088
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,640
way I understand it is that there's a cost

2089
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:49,640
for operating in terms of the waste

2090
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:51,640
and all of that, and then

2091
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:55,240
there's some set percentage as an

2092
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:56,640
overage admin type fee in

2093
01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:01,440
terms of establishing the rate. Is that correct?

2094
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:03,640
>> so, for

2095
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:04,640
the waste management agreement, there

2096
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:06,640
is the

2097
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:08,640
tipping fees, that is what is in this agreement.

2098
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,640
that's the disposal fee, and then

2099
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,400
there's the government fees.

2100
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,640
those government

2101
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:16,640
fees are fees that are not paid to

2102
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:17,640
us, I'm sorry, I don't

2103
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:19,640
have them all listed, hh w fees, there's

2104
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:20,640
all of these fees

2105
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:24,240
that various other government entities charge,

2106
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:26,640
those fees

2107
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:28,640
don't really change very much. In fact, they

2108
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,640
change very very little from the current contract.

2109
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,400
I don't remember exactly,

2110
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,400
it's pennies on change,

2111
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:39,640
so those fees are more or less stable over time.

2112
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:43,240
it's just the cost for processing

2113
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,640
the landfill disposal. That's what changes

2114
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:47,640
yearly.

2115
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,640
>> thank you for the clarifications.

2116
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,640
>> thank you. You're good? Okay, good. So,

2117
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,640
5.10.

2118
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,640
>>

2119
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,640
[ inaudible ]

2120
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:06,640
>> did you have a question? >>

2121
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:07,640
just wanted to clarify on 5.10, why

2122
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,400
we wouldn't want to

2123
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:12,640
enforce that

2124
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:13,640
as opposed to outsourcing.

2125
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:15,640
>> in source the

2126
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:18,640
function of lanlogic?

2127
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,640
the reason, the main reason

2128
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:27,640
we do it is we wouldn't be able to cost-effectively

2129
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:30,640
get that kind of skill

2130
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:31,640
set that we use lanlogic for, which is

2131
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,640
high-level networking, database administrators, the x rail,

2132
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,400
and other skill sets

2133
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,640
that we don't have

2134
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:40,640
those high-level, it would not be

2135
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:42,640
cost-effective to

2136
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:46,640
do that. Each one of those would be somewhere between

2137
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,640
175 and 200,

2138
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,640
as a base salary plus burden.

2139
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,640
and it would never even out. We

2140
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,640
pay about a fifth of that,

2141
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,640
to get all those skill sets, inside lanlogic.

2142
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,400
>> it's a fractional work

2143
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,640
across those areas. Perfect, thank you.

2144
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,400
>> that's all the questions.

2145
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,640
so how do we go with

2146
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:14,640
all the items?

2147
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,640
>> happy to

2148
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:20,840
make a motion for 5.2, 5.7, all of them.

2149
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:24,640
5.2, 5.5,

2150
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:26,640
5.7, 5.8, 5.10.

2151
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:28,640
>> I'll second. >> so we just

2152
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,400
all in favor say

2153
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:33,640
aye.

2154
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:34,640
>> aye. >>

2155
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:35,640
so those items approved unanimously,

2156
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,640
thank you. And let's move on to

2157
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:40,640
agenda

2158
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:44,400
item six, public hearing.

2159
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:45,640
6.1, adoption of rates

2160
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:46,640
for garbage collection, disposal,

2161
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,640
and recycling services provided by

2162
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:52,640
avi, and establishing

2163
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:57,640
2025 to 2026, a new assessment.

2164
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,400
>> good evening, honorable mayor,

2165
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,640
j black stuff, finance director.

2166
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:06,640
I'm here to present the

2167
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:12,400
adoption of rates for the garbage collection for 25-26.

2168
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:14,640
just a quick background, amador valley

2169
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:15,640
industries began providing

2170
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,640
services in 2005 to the city of dublin.

2171
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,640
the contract was extended in 2020,

2172
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:21,640
it was extended for 15

2173
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:25,240
years to 2035. We were notified in 2034,

2174
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:27,640
by avi,

2175
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:28,640
that they intended to sell the company to

2176
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:31,640
livermore sanitation inc. Or lsi.

2177
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:35,640
later in the year, the assignment

2178
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:36,640
of the agreement to lsi was approved

2179
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:39,640
by the city council. Part of that was

2180
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:41,640
the amended and restated agreement that

2181
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,400
was executed then in 2025.

2182
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,640
the agreement provides

2183
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:52,640
for an annual rate adjustment,

2184
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,640
adjustments are based on multiple

2185
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:56,640
factors including cpi indexes, number

2186
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,640
of build units, annual growth service,

2187
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:01,640
annual

2188
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:05,400
tonnage and disposal fees.

2189
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:07,640
for 25-26, the rate increase

2190
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:11,840
for all services is recommended to increase 4.06%.

2191
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:14,640
and this will put the new baseline

2192
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:15,640
for

2193
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:19,240
residential at $44.66 a month. That is

2194
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,400
$1.70 for a month increase.

2195
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:24,640
the

2196
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:26,640
dublin baseline service is placed

2197
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,640
on the property tax bill.

2198
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:35,640
the rates are going up, as I mentioned, that

2199
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,640
equates to 2088 per year.

2200
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:41,640
so, how does that compare to various cities,

2201
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:43,640
around our area?

2202
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,400
san ramon, is at 52

2203
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,640
, this is their baseline rate.

2204
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,640
which is $7.45 higher,

2205
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:59,240
livermore is at $40.73, $3.93 lower, castro valley

2206
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,640
is at 55.49, $10.

2207
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,640
and $.83.

2208
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:07,640
and then pleasanton,

2209
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:13,440
is kind of an outlier, and is at

2210
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:17,640
32.78, attachment eight we lay out the

2211
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,640
comparison and we do a

2212
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:22,640
three city comparison

2213
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:25,640
, we use to

2214
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:26,640
include pleasanton but we have since removed them because

2215
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:27,640
they

2216
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:31,640
are an outlier. The question has come up,

2217
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:32,640
why is it so low? We've been looking

2218
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:34,640
into that as

2219
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:38,640
much as we can find. We've talked with

2220
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:41,640
one of our consultants, and

2221
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,400
from them, one of

2222
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:46,640
the big reasons is , at least

2223
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:47,640
from an efficiency standpoint, is

2224
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,640
that their vehicles are parked

2225
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:51,640
in

2226
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:53,640
pleasanton, and that their transfer

2227
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:54,640
station is in town.

2228
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:56,640
they say that by having everything

2229
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,640
located in the city that you're

2230
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:01,640
performing the service in,

2231
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,640
it adds an hour of productivity efficiency

2232
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:05,640
as opposed to dublin where they need

2233
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:07,640
to go pick up

2234
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:12,440
the trucks, drive back, drive to dublin and

2235
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:14,640
go down, we don't have that transportation,

2236
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:16,640
we have to go to the landfill.

2237
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:20,640
but another piece that happened is their transfer station

2238
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,640
, just like we do appreciate

2239
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:27,440
any capital assets, their transfer station was depreciated,

2240
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,640
and around 2020 it was fully depreciated.

2241
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,640
so, that came off, so that would have reduced

2242
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:38,640
the amount to begin with, but it was also found

2243
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:39,640
that they had over depreciated, so that

2244
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:40,640
money

2245
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:44,640
had to go back to the ratepayers.

2246
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:46,640
you

2247
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:47,640
take all of those things into consideration

2248
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,640
and it gets them to a very

2249
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:51,640
low rate, so that depreciation dropped

2250
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:52,640
the rates

2251
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:58,400
by 13% that year. So that's a pretty large amount.

2252
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:01,640
and again, we don't know all of

2253
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:02,640
it, we can't see everything but from

2254
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:05,640
our research that's what we've found.

2255
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:08,640
so, for our annual rate adjustment,

2256
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,640
we look at four different areas,

2257
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:13,640
index adjustment, which

2258
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:16,640
we call our I, this is a weighted

2259
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:17,640
cpi we look at three indexes and wait

2260
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:20,400
it against annual cost,

2261
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:23,640
add everything up, and the reason

2262
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,400
we do that is,

2263
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:28,640
that way in

2264
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:29,640
case one of the indices is significantly higher,

2265
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:30,640
it

2266
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,640
doesn't artificially increase everything.

2267
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:34,640
the

2268
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:38,640
weighted is meant to balance everything out.

2269
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,640
then we look at annual growth, that's looking at

2270
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:42,640
two points in

2271
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,640
time, january to december, that's

2272
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:46,640
the number of units

2273
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:49,400
served. That's residential, everything.

2274
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:53,240
in terms of residential and commercial.

2275
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:55,640
one thing to note

2276
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:56,640
is that if the change is negative,

2277
01:33:56,640 --> 01:34:00,640
it's set at zero. Approved tip fee,

2278
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:02,640
as shannon was mentioning,

2279
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:03,640
historically we've had an agreement

2280
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:05,640
with waste management

2281
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,400
only for solid waste.

2282
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:10,640
we've

2283
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:16,400
always relied on avi, and their agreements with third-party.

2284
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,640
landfills for organics and recycling, we now recently

2285
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:24,640
are in a contract with waste management for organics,

2286
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:25,640
and we're looking to do

2287
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:27,640
a first party agreement with recycling.

2288
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,640
so, that's a new

2289
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:33,240
change, but having a long-term agreement

2290
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:34,640
in case gives

2291
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:37,640
us stability and credibility, the marcus

2292
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:39,640
for anybody who's listened to me,

2293
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:40,640
the markets have jumped all over

2294
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:44,640
the place especially with organics and recycling.

2295
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:48,640
and annual tonnage, that's the amount of stuff

2296
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:49,640
that is disposed

2297
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:51,640
of, garbage, organics, recycling.

2298
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:54,400
so, the biggest cost

2299
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:56,640
in all of this is the

2300
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:57,640
collection element. That's just everything

2301
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:00,640
associated with the collection of

2302
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:01,640
garbage,

2303
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,640
organics, recycling, that's everything that

2304
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:06,640
has to do with picking

2305
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:09,400
up those three. Items.

2306
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:11,640
that's

2307
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:17,640
adjusted annually by the rr I, cip and annual growth.

2308
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:19,640
commercial recycling is an

2309
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:20,640
element that was created to incentivize

2310
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:21,640
commercial recycling, when we did the

2311
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:23,640
amended and restated agreement

2312
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:27,640
we basically reset that, so we do the annual calculation

2313
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:30,400
and apply a $421,795 credit

2314
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:33,640
for that, so we back that out.

2315
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:34,640
when I show you the

2316
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:36,640
chart of the cost elements, that one

2317
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,400
is low, it's at $72,000.

2318
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:41,640
and

2319
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:44,640
then waste disposal, city

2320
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:45,640
has renegotiated the long-term contract with waste management.

2321
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,400
that is annual tonnage

2322
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:50,640
times tip

2323
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:54,640
fee, that's a simple pass through to the consumer.

2324
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:57,640
we also have a container compensation element

2325
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:00,640
, a replacement of bins, that's the annual growth factor.

2326
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,400
customers get added on,

2327
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:05,640
they're going to

2328
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:08,640
have to replace the bins, and that's how that's captured.

2329
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:11,640
recycling disposal, we are currently

2330
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:15,400
through avi taking all

2331
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:17,640
of our recycled material

2332
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:18,640
to aci in san leandro, hoping to have

2333
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:20,640
a first

2334
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:24,400
party agreement with them

2335
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,640
--

2336
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:38,640
25-26,

2337
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:42,640
currently we pay market rate, and then

2338
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:44,640
in the agreement, that should

2339
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:45,640
all be laid out of price and increases

2340
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:47,640
in

2341
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:51,400
that sort of thing.

2342
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:52,640
that is the

2343
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:53,640
annual tonnage times the annual tip

2344
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:56,640
fee, and as I mentioned we're currently

2345
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:57,640
working on that agreement. And organics,

2346
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:00,400
this is new to

2347
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:01,640
us, we have historically processed

2348
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,400
everything through avi's vendors.

2349
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:08,640
they're

2350
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:11,640
over, we actually had to truck

2351
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,640
a lot of this outside of the area.

2352
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:17,640
so, the

2353
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:21,640
good thing with this is it will be local.

2354
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:23,640
it's not as far as

2355
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:24,640
we have to take, the annual adjustment

2356
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:26,640
is calculated, it's the tonnage and

2357
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:31,640
the annual disposal fee. Because we had to truck

2358
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:33,640
the organics outside of the area,

2359
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,640
there was a holding fee

2360
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:38,640
that was incorporated. Now that we

2361
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:39,640
have the new agreement, we're going

2362
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:41,640
to

2363
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:47,440
need to speak with lsi and look at

2364
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:49,640
removing that, when looking at the two

2365
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:50,640
fees,

2366
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:51,640
they're very similar. The actual disposal fee is

2367
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:53,640
about

2368
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:57,640
the same when you take into consideration

2369
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,640
the new rate

2370
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:00,640
we'll be paying versus the lower rate plus

2371
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,640
the holding fee, it was less expensive

2372
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:04,640
to take it over to the central

2373
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:06,640
valley, but there's a holding fee, but

2374
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:08,640
we're going to look at that,

2375
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:09,640
any savings we get from any of these

2376
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:10,640
agreements, first party agreements will

2377
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:12,640
immediately

2378
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:14,640
go back to the ratepayers.

2379
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:18,240
and vehicle and administration elements, this

2380
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:24,640
is capture at all costs, this is our capital, art appreciation.

2381
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:26,640
this will

2382
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:30,640
come off as soon as the assets are fully depreciated.

2383
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:33,640
this does not get increased each

2384
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:35,640
year, it's set at

2385
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:36,640
the amount, and it just carries over

2386
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:39,400
until it's fully depreciated.

2387
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:42,640
the last element is the franchise

2388
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,640
fee, which is based on a

2389
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:47,640
percentage of avi's revenue.

2390
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:48,640
this summarizes all of the elements,

2391
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:50,640
as you can see the collection

2392
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:51,640
element is by far the largest. With

2393
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:55,240
all the other fees broken out.

2394
01:38:57,640 --> 01:38:58,640
and you can see

2395
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:00,640
the vehicle and administration element is

2396
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,400
set at the $1.6 million.

2397
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:04,640
in total, it is a

2398
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:07,400
$1.3 million increase, and that's

2399
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:10,400
where we apply the 4.06%

2400
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:13,400
to generate the revenue.

2401
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:16,400
so, since this is

2402
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:19,400
on the property tax,

2403
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:21,640
we need to conduct a public hearing, deliberate,

2404
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:22,640
and approved the resolutions amending

2405
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:24,640
the

2406
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:27,640
schedule of service rates

2407
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:28,640
for integrated solid waste services

2408
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:29,640
and approve the resolution,

2409
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:30,640
approving and establishing the collection

2410
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:31,640
of minimum residential garbage and

2411
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:33,640
recycling service

2412
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:34,640
fees for fiscal year 25-26. The second

2413
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:36,640
is placing

2414
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:40,640
it on the tax roll. And here to answer any questions.

2415
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:42,640
>> so, we'll

2416
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:44,640
ask questions first, go ahead.

2417
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:46,640
>> the presentation, you know I'm

2418
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,640
going to have some questions.

2419
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:53,640
the organics, the

2420
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:54,640
new organics contract that we just

2421
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:55,640
approved is not included in this, correct?

2422
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:57,640
>> correct.

2423
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:04,640
will that be, I know

2424
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:05,640
the cost is a wash

2425
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:07,640
between the old with the holding fee, and

2426
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:10,640
so we will see that

2427
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:11,640
updated

2428
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:13,640
next year, is that right? You won't

2429
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:14,640
updated this year at all?

2430
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:15,640
>>

2431
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:18,640
we can't, once they close the role.

2432
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:21,640
>> I'm going to jump around a little bit,

2433
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:22,640
that rolled me to my next question

2434
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:25,400
which is, you said

2435
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:29,840
that if we see a savings with

2436
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:32,640
if we saw a savings it

2437
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:34,640
would immediately go back to the ratepayers.

2438
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:37,640
>> may be immediate wasn't. >> so,

2439
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:38,640
we would roll

2440
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:40,640
that into next year's rate, correct?

2441
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:41,640
otherwise we

2442
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:43,640
would have to hold another hearing.

2443
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:46,640
but, we would roll that

2444
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:48,640
into next year's

2445
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:50,640
.

2446
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:51,640
>>

2447
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:53,640
and especially because we'll also

2448
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,640
hopefully be having recycling. So

2449
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:58,640
we'll work with lsi on

2450
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:00,640
readjusting that

2451
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:02,640
way we calculate that.

2452
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:04,640
>> okay.

2453
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:07,400
which segues beautifully into

2454
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:09,640
the growth factor conversation.

2455
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:10,640
which, as you know from prior years, I

2456
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:12,640
hate that

2457
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:16,640
element. Not only is the floor being

2458
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:19,640
at zero problematic for me, but

2459
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:20,640
the way we use

2460
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:21,640
the census, the total census residential we

2461
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,640
don't distinguish between the two.

2462
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:28,400
I find problematic because

2463
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:30,640
we have a ton of new houses,

2464
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:34,240
then our business community is having

2465
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:35,640
their rates go up a little bit

2466
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:37,640
, more than it should. And conversely

2467
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:40,640
if we had a whole new

2468
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:43,400
commercial center come online,

2469
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:46,640
then our residents end up paying a

2470
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:48,640
little bit more for that. Is there

2471
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:49,640
a way that we can renegotiate that

2472
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:52,640
element so that we split the growth

2473
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:54,640
, it would mean that

2474
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:55,640
the resident rate and the commercial rate

2475
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:57,640
might adjust

2476
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:00,640
slightly differently

2477
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:01,640
, percentagewise, but that commercial growth

2478
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:03,640
would be placed

2479
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:06,640
, the percentage will

2480
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:09,640
be placed on the commercial,

2481
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:10,640
and the residential growth would be

2482
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:12,640
placed on the residential

2483
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:13,640
customers that would be more equitable,

2484
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:15,640
I think, for

2485
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:19,640
lack of a better word.

2486
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:20,640
is there a way to look at that?

2487
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:21,640
>>

2488
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:22,640
there's no easy way as everything

2489
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:23,640
is set up now.

2490
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:24,640
>> we're sorry,

2491
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:25,640
go ahead.

2492
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:26,640
>> on the collection element

2493
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:28,640
, everything

2494
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:30,640
is

2495
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:33,640
just thrown into that pot, that you would have to

2496
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:37,640
figure out what the costs were on the commercial side.

2497
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:39,640
not say

2498
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:40,640
it can't be done but the way it currently

2499
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:41,640
is and the way it's

2500
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:43,640
currently written into the contract.

2501
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:46,640
we would have to essentially hit the reset button.

2502
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:49,640
>> the way we calculate that, we multiply,

2503
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:52,640
we know where new service

2504
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:55,400
has been added. Because

2505
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:58,400
we multiply that census

2506
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:01,400
by the dollar amount.

2507
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:06,640
so, it seems like it wouldn't be that hard

2508
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:07,640
.

2509
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:12,440
>> one thing to point out, that it is

2510
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:14,640
up to your discretion, we've always

2511
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:15,640
applied the

2512
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:16,640
rate across everything. That doesn't

2513
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:19,400
mean you have to.

2514
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:21,640
>> but we

2515
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:25,640
wouldn't want to do it arbitrarily, which is,

2516
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:27,640
it was strictly

2517
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:28,640
arbitrary, did we want to hold the same

2518
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:31,400
orsay, we want to

2519
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:33,640
keep the residential percentage

2520
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:34,640
at a certain rate, in order to get

2521
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:37,640
the total, the total guaranteed

2522
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:42,640
to be the right

2523
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:43,640
amount, we can adjust, but we didn't

2524
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:45,640
have any data behind it in the past

2525
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:46,640
when we talked about the idea of doing

2526
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:49,640
that. We would want, I

2527
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:51,640
personally would want to have ,

2528
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:52,640
going up by this much because commercial

2529
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:55,640
growth, just for that one element.

2530
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:57,640
>> based

2531
01:43:57,640 --> 01:43:58,640
off the census, the information, we

2532
01:43:58,640 --> 01:43:59,640
have the information and we can do

2533
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:00,640
the

2534
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:01,640
calculation that would essentially

2535
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:04,640
say, growth factor for commercial,

2536
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:07,640
and for residential it's y.

2537
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:09,640
then come back to you and

2538
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:13,640
recommend that each be adjusted by that. Amount.

2539
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:15,640
>> we wouldn't be ,

2540
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:21,640
but, at least we would have that data going

2541
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:23,640
forward which would be certainly helpful to have

2542
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:25,640
even

2543
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:29,640
if we chose, we'd rather

2544
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:32,640
raise it all the same amount.

2545
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:35,400
>> that's a good point.

2546
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:36,640
I've

2547
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:37,640
never approached it that way, that

2548
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:41,640
is definitely, it would be an extra step.

2549
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:42,640
>> as long as that's doable,

2550
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:44,640
that's information I would love to

2551
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:47,640
see next time. And then,

2552
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:51,240
just to make sure I understand,

2553
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:54,640
the agreements that we have, the

2554
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:55,640
first party agreements with waste

2555
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:58,400
management, there's no additional

2556
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:02,640
fee on top of those that we get charged

2557
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:03,640
by our holder to honor those .

2558
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:04,640
they don't have an additional administrative

2559
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:05,640
fee, they just honor the agreement

2560
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:06,640
that we have with

2561
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:08,640
waste management. Waste management

2562
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:10,640
charges

2563
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:11,640
them those tipping fees.

2564
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:13,640
>> for waste disposal

2565
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:16,640
, I believe for

2566
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:19,640
organics in the past,

2567
01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:20,640
because it was their agreement, there

2568
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:23,640
was the overhead attached to that.

2569
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:25,640
>> but with her

2570
01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:29,400
right now with garbage,

2571
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:30,640
we negotiated

2572
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:32,640
the rate, abi pays that tipping fee,

2573
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:33,640
it's passed on directly with

2574
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:35,640
no additional, and that's what the

2575
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:37,640
new organics will be like.

2576
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:41,640
>> that is something we'll need to discuss.

2577
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:43,640
>> okay.

2578
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:46,640
>> since this is new

2579
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:48,640
to us, in the agreement, it's something we'll need to.

2580
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:50,640
>> that's my questions, thank you.

2581
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:52,640
>> thank you. Any

2582
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:54,640
other questions from you?

2583
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:55,640
>>

2584
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:58,640
councilmember addressed it more thoroughly,

2585
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:02,640
that I could, and it was about the

2586
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:04,640
imbalance or how the two

2587
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:07,640
residential and commercial equalize, and how

2588
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:12,440
come I thought that was very good comment.

2589
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:14,640
I have a really small comment here,

2590
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,640
I was looking at it,

2591
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:19,640
you break out by

2592
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:22,640
kansai's, for example, for residential.

2593
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:26,400
and I noticed that,

2594
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:31,640
is the 64th or

2595
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:32,640
70 even used? We get 32 and 96 is

2596
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:34,640
according to what I

2597
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,640
read. But, how are we coming up with this factor here

2598
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:38,640
for the middle range? It looks like

2599
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:40,640
it exceeds

2600
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:44,640
the average. It's just tweaking.

2601
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:47,640
I'm not looking at that, I'm looking

2602
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:49,640
at your comparison

2603
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:53,400
chart your excel spreadsheet.

2604
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:55,640
>> so,

2605
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:57,640
the 60,

2606
01:46:57,640 --> 01:46:59,640
>> is it utilized?

2607
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:01,640
>>

2608
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:05,400
I think 64, there is

2609
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:07,640
a little under 3000. That

2610
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:10,640
utilize it. It would be an upgrade from the 32,

2611
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:14,640
and the 96 is a lot less, there's only 300.

2612
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:17,640
and then, there's less than

2613
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:19,640
10 that have two 32.

2614
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:23,640
it's a really small amount.

2615
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:24,640
that won't be in anything, that's

2616
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:26,640
just

2617
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:29,640
in our census data. The reporting we get. So,

2618
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:31,640
people are not.

2619
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:37,640
17,400 residential units.

2620
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,400
for customers. And about 3000

2621
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:45,640
of them utilize the 64.

2622
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:46,640
>>

2623
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:48,640
that's statistically significant.

2624
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:51,640
>> I was

2625
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:53,640
just wondering why that number, everything else

2626
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:55,640
turned,

2627
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:58,640
a little

2628
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:01,640
different, a little less

2629
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:02,640
than or significantly less than the

2630
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:04,640
three city average and that

2631
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:10,640
would just kind of popped up. A little more expensive.

2632
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:17,640
if you have that answer, if not, it's not dead.

2633
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:18,640
see what I'm getting at?

2634
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:20,640
>> livermore

2635
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:21,640
,

2636
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:23,640
>> on average.

2637
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:28,640
85, castro is 76.

2638
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:32,400
yeah. I don't know

2639
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:35,640
why livermore's, I believe ours is

2640
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:38,640
just a factor of whatever the 32 is.

2641
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:40,640
like 50%?

2642
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:46,640
>> for those 3000 customers. >>

2643
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:49,640
it was set in '05

2644
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:50,640
and we've been adding on, I don't know

2645
01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:53,400
how they came up

2646
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:54,640
with.

2647
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:56,640
>> all right.

2648
01:48:56,640 --> 01:48:58,640
I'm fine. I got

2649
01:48:58,640 --> 01:48:59,640
my questions answered, thank you.

2650
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:01,640
>> thank you, michael.

2651
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:03,640
vice mayor?

2652
01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:05,640
>> I've got

2653
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:08,400
three, I think three

2654
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,400
quick questions. The first

2655
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:14,640
is back to councilmember morada's

2656
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:15,640
question, I was asking that prematurely

2657
01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:16,640
around the

2658
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:17,640
recycling piece of it. If we have

2659
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:20,640
any ceilings, rate hike ceilings,

2660
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:22,640
and

2661
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:24,640
if not, why?

2662
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:26,640
>> 10%.

2663
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:28,640
that's

2664
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:30,640
for recycling?

2665
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:32,640
>> no, that's for the

2666
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:35,400
rr I factor, cpi.

2667
01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:40,640
>> that's the amalgamation of four different factors?

2668
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:44,240
>> three different factors , times their cost.

2669
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:47,640
set

2670
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:49,640
at 10.

2671
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:51,640
>> okay. >> to be honest,

2672
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:54,640
it's never gone that high. Okay.

2673
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:56,640
second question is

2674
01:49:57,640 --> 01:49:59,640
, have we ever looked at

2675
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:02,640
some sort of discount, or accommodations

2676
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:06,240
for low or fixed income residents?

2677
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:09,400
>> we talked about it.

2678
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:14,640
livermore is an example of a city that has it.

2679
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:15,640
it's built into their agreement, so

2680
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:16,640
it's a

2681
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:20,840
cost, the burden is on the hauler.

2682
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:23,640
I think the hard part

2683
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:24,640
for us is we put things on the property tax

2684
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:26,640
,

2685
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:30,640
the way we calculate it,

2686
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:31,640
and

2687
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:32,640
if somebody is subsidized, somebody else

2688
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:36,640
is paying for it, and that becomes

2689
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:38,640
a prop 218 issue.

2690
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:42,640
you would have to figure out a way that

2691
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:46,240
the general fund could subsidize it.

2692
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:48,640
>> if I could. Because of the prop

2693
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:49,640
218 problem, it

2694
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:51,640
would have to be general fund. Livermore

2695
01:50:51,640 --> 01:50:54,400
does have a program

2696
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:57,640
for low income subscribers that also

2697
01:50:57,640 --> 01:50:58,640
are

2698
01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:00,640
subscribed to pg&e chairs. So they

2699
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:03,400
can get a larger

2700
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:05,640
can for the smaller can price.

2701
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:09,640
that's built into the agreement, that's on them.

2702
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:11,640
something that we can

2703
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:15,640
certainly talk to our provider about, that was interesting.

2704
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:17,640
to me. But, if we were to do it ourselves,

2705
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:18,640
we would be challenged. I think we

2706
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:20,640
would end up subsidizing

2707
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:21,640
from the general fund.

2708
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:23,640
>> is that

2709
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:24,640
something you can investigate on as

2710
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:26,640
we're looking into

2711
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:30,400
those contacts you mark

2712
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:31,640
>> yeah, I think part of it

2713
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:33,640
would be looking to see other cities

2714
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:36,640
that have it on the property

2715
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:39,640
tax, it's like 50-50. To see if they have any subsidy.

2716
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:41,640
my thought

2717
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:44,640
was a lot of it, they

2718
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:45,640
put in their agreement that the hauler

2719
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:47,640
has to, but

2720
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:51,640
we can look into it.

2721
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:54,640
>> and then my last question is,

2722
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:57,640
can the diving into the fee

2723
01:51:57,640 --> 01:51:58,640
compensation piece of it

2724
01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:00,640
, if I'm understanding correctly,

2725
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:03,400
there's a franchise fee 16.35

2726
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:06,400
admin fee of 7% , so

2727
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:10,640
total fee compensation element is 23.35.

2728
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:15,400
looks like year-over-year is

2729
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:17,640
4.6% increase.

2730
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:21,640
but, it seems like the more we use

2731
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:22,640
, the more we

2732
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:27,640
pay, so it's, if I understand it's abi revenue,

2733
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:29,640
it's based on

2734
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:32,640
abi revenue. Okay.

2735
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:35,640
is there a way to

2736
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:39,640
negotiate that? It seems quite high. We're talking

2737
01:52:39,640 --> 01:52:42,400
in the 7 million range.

2738
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:44,640
per anna.

2739
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:47,640
>>

2740
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:51,400
we would need to

2741
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:53,640
come back to you. And study that topic

2742
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:54,640
a little bit. I would seek direction

2743
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:56,640
from a

2744
01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:00,640
majority of you on that.

2745
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:04,640
>> okay, those were my questions.

2746
01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:05,640
>>

2747
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:06,640
thank you. I have a few questions

2748
01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:09,400
real quick. Attachment six,

2749
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:12,640
have a comparison with our neighboring cities.

2750
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:15,400
so, are residential rates

2751
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:17,640
look great.

2752
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:21,640
and an average of three cities.

2753
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:23,640
about

2754
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:26,640
lower. And for

2755
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:30,640
commercial it seems like we are significantly higher than

2756
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:32,640
the

2757
01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:36,640
average of three cities. What are

2758
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:37,640
the reasons for that?

2759
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:39,640
>> that's a tough one.

2760
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:43,240
part of it is with commercial,

2761
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:47,640
that we charge 50%, I

2762
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:48,640
might get this backward, for organics

2763
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:50,640
and 25% for recycling.

2764
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:53,640
recycling and organics, especially

2765
01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:56,640
recycling has gone from something

2766
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:58,640
that a holder can

2767
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:00,640
make money on to basically breakeven,

2768
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:02,640
to where it costs more, three times

2769
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:03,640
more to dispose of recycling than

2770
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:05,640
it

2771
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:09,640
is for solid waste. A lot of these cities

2772
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:10,640
charge up to 100%

2773
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:15,440
of their garbage rate for recycling and organic.

2774
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:19,640
I think I've said it in prior years,

2775
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:20,640
it's getting harder

2776
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:21,640
to compare apples to apples when you

2777
01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:24,640
look just at the solid waste.

2778
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:26,640
because you could have

2779
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:27,640
depending on the city, they charge

2780
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:28,640
100% for organics and

2781
01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:30,640
recycling, they could be paying more

2782
01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:33,640
in total than if, I was going to say

2783
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:35,640
the wrong city, dublin.

2784
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:36,640
just because of the makeup, we charge

2785
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:38,640
50% and

2786
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:42,240
is 25%. Does that answer? Yeah, it's

2787
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:43,640
those streams are now.

2788
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:45,640
>>

2789
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:47,640
the different parts.

2790
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:50,640
so, the question is, have you

2791
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:54,240
heard any feedback from residents or

2792
01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:56,640
commercial customers about

2793
01:54:57,640 --> 01:54:59,640
, any

2794
01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:00,640
feedback about these services?

2795
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:01,640
>> no,

2796
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:03,640
very rarely.

2797
01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:09,640
>> do we do any survey or anything?

2798
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:11,640
>> shannon. >>

2799
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:13,640
usually to the environmental.

2800
01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:15,640
>> we

2801
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:17,640
haven't received any complaints

2802
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:19,640
from the city manager's office, but

2803
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:22,400
I'll ask shannon to

2804
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:23,640
address that.

2805
01:55:23,640 --> 01:55:25,640
>> okay.

2806
01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:26,640
>> from time

2807
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:27,640
to time we get feedback from the public,

2808
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:31,240
but is not something that happens

2809
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:34,400
on a regular occurrence.

2810
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:35,640
we'll get

2811
01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:36,640
feedback from the public. From time

2812
01:55:36,640 --> 01:55:37,640
to time. Usually it's about early

2813
01:55:37,640 --> 01:55:38,640
pickups. So

2814
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:42,840
there's times that abi is supposed to

2815
01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:46,640
service not too early, and obviously

2816
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:47,640
not too late, not too late is

2817
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:49,640
not usually a problem. But we don't

2818
01:55:49,640 --> 01:55:50,640
get a lot of feedback

2819
01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:51,640
from the public on the services.

2820
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:52,640
>>

2821
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:54,640
which means

2822
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:56,640
you're not doing a good job.

2823
01:55:56,640 --> 01:55:58,640
>> hopefully that's what that means. >>

2824
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:01,400
that's great, thank you.

2825
01:56:01,640 --> 01:56:02,640
so, that's all our questions.

2826
01:56:02,640 --> 01:56:06,840
we'll start the hearing, the public hearing.

2827
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:10,640
>> mayor, I have no speaker slips on

2828
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:11,640
this item.

2829
01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:12,640
>> so we'll close

2830
01:56:12,640 --> 01:56:13,640
the hearing. And any additional comments?

2831
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:17,240
council wants to make, go ahead.

2832
01:56:18,640 --> 01:56:19,640
>> I appreciate all the hard work, this

2833
01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:20,640
is

2834
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:22,640
a huge contract with a lot of elements,

2835
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:25,640
I know that you are,

2836
01:56:25,640 --> 01:56:26,640
there's been a lot of

2837
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:29,640
moving parts, the industry has changed,

2838
01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:33,240
over the last five years drastically.

2839
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:35,640
I sit on stop waste as well, I

2840
01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:37,640
spend a lot of time talking about

2841
01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:39,640
garbage

2842
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:43,640
and recycling that I'd like to.

2843
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:44,640
I

2844
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:45,640
appreciate the work that you're doing,

2845
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:46,640
I would like to see going forward

2846
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:48,640
that we

2847
01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:52,640
can see what we can do that growth factor.

2848
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:55,400
to talk about that ,

2849
01:56:55,640 --> 01:56:57,640
and that data going forward would be super helpful

2850
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:02,440
for our residents and our businesses to know

2851
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:04,640
that we're raising rates equitably.

2852
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:06,640
I would point out that while this

2853
01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:10,240
is a 4% increase, under 2%, wasn't it?

2854
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:12,640
>> under 1%.

2855
01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:16,640
on a two year average, we're not doing badly

2856
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:20,240
for cpi. I think that's great.

2857
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:23,640
everything we can do to keep

2858
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:25,640
costs down for our residents is great,

2859
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:26,640
I'm very supportive of trying to

2860
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:28,640
figure out a way for folks that are

2861
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:30,640
on a fixed income, focused

2862
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:34,640
using pg&e cares or some other metric

2863
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:35,640
that we use, if

2864
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:37,640
there is a way that can help them

2865
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:40,640
out a little bit. Whether it's, I don't

2866
01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:43,400
think it's really helpful

2867
01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:44,640
to give

2868
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:46,640
them a larger can for the price of

2869
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:48,640
a smaller can, I don't think

2870
01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:49,640
that's what is necessary, we open the contract.

2871
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:51,640
then I think

2872
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:55,640
that's something to look into.

2873
01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:57,640
other than that

2874
01:57:58,640 --> 01:57:59,640
we've done a job here in keeping things

2875
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:01,640
as

2876
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:04,400
low as we can.

2877
01:58:06,640 --> 01:58:07,640
in a changing environment, and I appreciate that

2878
01:58:07,640 --> 01:58:08,640
we're looking for first party agreements

2879
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:09,640
and

2880
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:10,640
try to knothole things as far as we

2881
01:58:10,640 --> 01:58:11,640
have been, I think

2882
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:12,640
that's, thank you.

2883
01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:13,640
>> comments from

2884
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:14,640
you? Additional comments?

2885
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:16,640
>>

2886
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:17,640
no additional comments.

2887
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:18,640
>>

2888
01:58:18,640 --> 01:58:22,640
I appreciate the work as well, thank you

2889
01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:23,640
for going through all of

2890
01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:25,640
that, and answering our questions.

2891
01:58:25,640 --> 01:58:28,640
I'm sort of stuck at

2892
01:58:28,640 --> 01:58:31,640
what's possible in terms of

2893
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:32,640
negotiating or renegotiating some

2894
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:33,640
of those

2895
01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:34,640
contracts and the first party contracts

2896
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:37,640
that we might have, I don't know if

2897
01:58:37,640 --> 01:58:40,640
there's interest in the council

2898
01:58:40,640 --> 01:58:41,640
pausing this now and looking into

2899
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:42,640
it

2900
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:45,640
now, or if they want to wait until next year,

2901
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:46,640
I know there are timelines in terms

2902
01:58:46,640 --> 01:58:48,640
of the tax roll

2903
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:49,640
and getting out of the tax bill, I

2904
01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:52,640
don't know if there's that sense of

2905
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:54,640
urgency or immediacy now, or if we

2906
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:58,640
want to revisit this in one years time.

2907
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:01,640
>> let's clarify that, what's the timing?

2908
01:59:01,640 --> 01:59:04,640
what's the timing, the urgency,

2909
01:59:04,640 --> 01:59:06,640
to address his question

2910
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:10,640
to mark I'd like clarification on that.

2911
01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:12,640
I'm

2912
01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:13,640
assuming this is a process that needs to

2913
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:15,640
be taken care of now.

2914
01:59:15,640 --> 01:59:19,240
>> they will start billing july 1st,

2915
01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:22,640
we need to get information

2916
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:25,640
to our consultants who put it

2917
01:59:25,640 --> 01:59:26,640
on the tax roll, I'll probably, by

2918
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:27,640
the end of

2919
01:59:27,640 --> 01:59:28,640
this month at the absolute latest,

2920
01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:30,640
I will send

2921
01:59:30,640 --> 01:59:31,640
it to them as soon as the resolutions

2922
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:32,640
are passed, it takes time to

2923
01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:34,640
put everything together and get it

2924
01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:37,400
over to the county.

2925
01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:39,640
>> there is a sense of

2926
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:40,640
urgency, and I echo, I guess, I do

2927
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:42,640
have some final comments.

2928
01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:43,640
some of the comments that are made

2929
01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:46,640
by council here. Getting more detail,

2930
01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:50,240
splitting it out. Just more of

2931
01:59:52,640 --> 01:59:55,640
, a little more analysis done, here, for us.

2932
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:58,640
and that's really it. If there's

2933
01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:01,640
a sense of urgency, I just back off that one. Yeah.

2934
02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:03,640
>> so,

2935
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:07,640
we want to thank you for great work and thanks

2936
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:09,640
for,

2937
02:00:10,640 --> 02:00:13,400
the great work. That's

2938
02:00:13,640 --> 02:00:15,640
the best compliment,

2939
02:00:17,640 --> 02:00:20,400
for the waste management.

2940
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:23,640
and thank you, and you want to make a

2941
02:00:23,640 --> 02:00:24,640
motion?

2942
02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:26,640
>> I will, but

2943
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:27,640
I'm on the wrong page.

2944
02:00:27,640 --> 02:00:28,640
>>

2945
02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:29,640
make a motion that we approve the

2946
02:00:29,640 --> 02:00:30,640
resolution approving and establishing

2947
02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:31,640
the collection of

2948
02:00:31,640 --> 02:00:35,840
minimum residential garbage and recycling service fees

2949
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:37,640
for fiscal 25-26.

2950
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:38,640
>> perfect, I'll

2951
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:39,640
second that motion.

2952
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:40,640
>> all

2953
02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:41,640
in favor say aye.

2954
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:42,640
>> aye. >> motion passed

2955
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:44,640
unanimously. Do we want

2956
02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:46,640
to take

2957
02:00:46,640 --> 02:00:47,640
like two minutes break? Or we're okay

2958
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:50,400
to go on? No?

2959
02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:53,640
whatever you need to do.

2960
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:56,400
yeah. We will have

2961
02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:58,640
a good topic.

2962
02:01:13,640 --> 02:01:19,400
[ the event is on a recess. Captioner standing by. ]

2963
02:07:08,640 --> 02:07:12,240
>> in five, four, three, two, one.

2964
02:07:20,640 --> 02:07:23,640
>> agenda item 7.1, preliminary fiscal year

2965
02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:26,640
2025-26 general fund budget update.

2966
02:07:30,640 --> 02:07:32,640
>> good evening, again.

2967
02:07:33,640 --> 02:07:36,640
to give an update on the general fund

2968
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:38,640
25-26 preliminary budget.

2969
02:07:39,640 --> 02:07:41,640
so, tonight's presentation

2970
02:07:42,640 --> 02:07:44,640
, a quick recap

2971
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:48,640
of the april 15th meeting,

2972
02:07:48,640 --> 02:07:51,640
give an update on the

2973
02:07:51,640 --> 02:07:54,640
economic and sales tax , what we've

2974
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:55,640
seen, and then an update

2975
02:07:55,640 --> 02:07:57,640
to the 25-26 budget, and then discuss

2976
02:07:57,640 --> 02:08:00,400
some budget balancing considerations.

2977
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:06,400
so, on the april

2978
02:08:06,640 --> 02:08:09,400
15th preliminary budget meeting,

2979
02:08:09,640 --> 02:08:11,640
it was a bad week

2980
02:08:11,640 --> 02:08:12,640
all around, economic means. There

2981
02:08:12,640 --> 02:08:14,640
was talk

2982
02:08:14,640 --> 02:08:15,640
of tariffs, the stock market was bouncing

2983
02:08:15,640 --> 02:08:18,400
all over the place,

2984
02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:21,640
we got our sales tax report,

2985
02:08:21,640 --> 02:08:22,640
that essentially had a

2986
02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:25,640
decrease of $1.8 million in 24-25,

2987
02:08:27,640 --> 02:08:29,640
and then 3.8 total

2988
02:08:30,640 --> 02:08:34,240
in 25-26 reflected on the chart.

2989
02:08:34,640 --> 02:08:36,640
this is based on a decline in auto

2990
02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:39,640
sales, auto sales for the city's

2991
02:08:39,640 --> 02:08:42,640
41% of all sales tax last year. A

2992
02:08:42,640 --> 02:08:45,640
decline in auto sales is a

2993
02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:46,640
big thing for us. And as I

2994
02:08:46,640 --> 02:08:48,640
mentioned, there was an overall softening

2995
02:08:48,640 --> 02:08:51,400
in all sectors in

2996
02:08:51,640 --> 02:08:54,640
sales tax, and also all revenue

2997
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:57,640
sources at the time. So,

2998
02:09:00,640 --> 02:09:03,640
it's not a recession, but

2999
02:09:03,640 --> 02:09:04,640
a reflection of uncertainty that

3000
02:09:04,640 --> 02:09:07,640
may affect other revenue sources.

3001
02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:09,640
that was the message we gave, and

3002
02:09:09,640 --> 02:09:12,640
a big one was the

3003
02:09:12,640 --> 02:09:17,440
concern about the effects of the federal tariffs.

3004
02:09:17,640 --> 02:09:18,640
a lot of those are still persisting,

3005
02:09:18,640 --> 02:09:21,400
we don't know, but,

3006
02:09:21,640 --> 02:09:23,640
the information

3007
02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:25,640
and the sales tax numbers we have

3008
02:09:25,640 --> 02:09:27,640
gotten since then have been positive.

3009
02:09:27,640 --> 02:09:30,640
so tonight, we're going to look for

3010
02:09:30,640 --> 02:09:32,640
direction to look

3011
02:09:33,640 --> 02:09:36,640
at the cost cutting, and or revenue enhancements.

3012
02:09:36,640 --> 02:09:38,640
I'm sorry.

3013
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:42,640
you directed us to look at cost cutting.

3014
02:09:42,640 --> 02:09:45,640
I got that backwards. So,

3015
02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:48,640
economic and sales tax update,

3016
02:09:51,640 --> 02:09:52,640
there's still a

3017
02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:54,640
high level of uncertainty leading

3018
02:09:54,640 --> 02:09:56,640
to a lot of volatility in the global markets,

3019
02:09:56,640 --> 02:09:57,640
you can't turn on the financial news

3020
02:09:57,640 --> 02:09:59,640
without hearing one story or

3021
02:09:59,640 --> 02:10:00,640
another and a big part of that is

3022
02:10:00,640 --> 02:10:03,640
uncertainty leads to disrupting business planning.

3023
02:10:03,640 --> 02:10:04,640
businesses just can't predict, or

3024
02:10:04,640 --> 02:10:05,640
plan

3025
02:10:05,640 --> 02:10:06,640
for the future because they don't know what's happening

3026
02:10:06,640 --> 02:10:09,400
with the federal government.

3027
02:10:12,640 --> 02:10:14,640
a positive

3028
02:10:14,640 --> 02:10:17,640
update now that the talks are going from a recession

3029
02:10:17,640 --> 02:10:18,640
is going to happen, now we're hearing

3030
02:10:18,640 --> 02:10:19,640
a

3031
02:10:19,640 --> 02:10:21,640
recession is not imminent. The rhetoric

3032
02:10:21,640 --> 02:10:24,640
and tone have changed toward

3033
02:10:24,640 --> 02:10:27,640
the positive in that regard.

3034
02:10:27,640 --> 02:10:30,640
from our consultants and what we're

3035
02:10:30,640 --> 02:10:32,640
hearing from the news,

3036
02:10:32,640 --> 02:10:33,640
that there is going to be greater clarity

3037
02:10:33,640 --> 02:10:35,640
by the fourth

3038
02:10:35,640 --> 02:10:36,640
quarter of 2025, that's the quarter ending december 2025.

3039
02:10:36,640 --> 02:10:38,640
the

3040
02:10:39,640 --> 02:10:42,640
hope is and the thought is the effects of tariffs,

3041
02:10:42,640 --> 02:10:44,640
and everything else,

3042
02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:47,640
whether or not

3043
02:10:47,640 --> 02:10:51,640
the fed is going to take action should start

3044
02:10:51,640 --> 02:10:52,640
, should be able to start to see those

3045
02:10:52,640 --> 02:10:54,640
happen or

3046
02:10:54,640 --> 02:10:57,640
not by the fourth quarter.

3047
02:11:00,640 --> 02:11:02,640
there was an additional, a news story

3048
02:11:02,640 --> 02:11:03,640
that came out that got a lot of news

3049
02:11:03,640 --> 02:11:06,640
shortly after we met about

3050
02:11:06,640 --> 02:11:09,400
gas prices potentially reaching

3051
02:11:09,640 --> 02:11:11,640
$8.44 a gallon in 2026,

3052
02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:12,640
we were aware that gas prices could

3053
02:11:12,640 --> 02:11:14,640
go up, in california,

3054
02:11:14,640 --> 02:11:18,640
coincidentally at the same time I guess,

3055
02:11:18,640 --> 02:11:20,640
so, hdl thinks

3056
02:11:21,640 --> 02:11:24,640
six dollars a gallon is

3057
02:11:24,640 --> 02:11:26,640
a reality for gasoline.

3058
02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:30,840
from an operational standpoint, for the city,

3059
02:11:31,640 --> 02:11:32,640
it has a limited impact. We

3060
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:36,640
don't spend a lot of money on fuel,

3061
02:11:36,640 --> 02:11:37,640
the majority of our fuel is for police

3062
02:11:37,640 --> 02:11:38,640
services, the majority

3063
02:11:38,640 --> 02:11:42,840
of staff for nonpolice vehicles are either

3064
02:11:43,640 --> 02:11:45,640
ev's, electric, or

3065
02:11:46,640 --> 02:11:49,640
extended range ev, we don't use

3066
02:11:49,640 --> 02:11:50,640
a lot of gas.

3067
02:11:50,640 --> 02:11:52,640
and any additional cost that we would have

3068
02:11:52,640 --> 02:11:54,640
is

3069
02:11:55,640 --> 02:11:58,640
more than offset by any fuel

3070
02:11:58,640 --> 02:12:00,640
related sales tax increases.

3071
02:12:00,640 --> 02:12:01,640
as a consumer it's bad you're paying

3072
02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:02,640
more

3073
02:12:02,640 --> 02:12:04,640
but the city will get more revenue

3074
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:06,640
as gas prices go up.

3075
02:12:06,640 --> 02:12:07,640
so, that isn't of any real concern.

3076
02:12:07,640 --> 02:12:09,640
the

3077
02:12:10,640 --> 02:12:13,640
bigger issue is just how is that

3078
02:12:13,640 --> 02:12:14,640
going to affect inflation. Gas prices

3079
02:12:14,640 --> 02:12:18,640
go up, the more cost when energy goes up,

3080
02:12:18,640 --> 02:12:22,640
costs go up. The production of goods,

3081
02:12:22,640 --> 02:12:25,400
the transport of goods.

3082
02:12:29,640 --> 02:12:31,640
this will have any impact, it's something

3083
02:12:31,640 --> 02:12:34,640
we will continue to watch with

3084
02:12:34,640 --> 02:12:36,640
hdl to see what is happening.

3085
02:12:36,640 --> 02:12:37,640
we just wanted to let you know, we're

3086
02:12:37,640 --> 02:12:38,640
aware that

3087
02:12:38,640 --> 02:12:43,640
gas prices are gone up and we're monitoring it.

3088
02:12:43,640 --> 02:12:45,640
on the really positive note

3089
02:12:45,640 --> 02:12:48,640
we got our first quarter sales tax final payment in.

3090
02:12:48,640 --> 02:12:49,640
it's quarter ending march 31st, make

3091
02:12:49,640 --> 02:12:51,640
monthly

3092
02:12:52,640 --> 02:12:53,640
payments and the third month they

3093
02:12:53,640 --> 02:12:55,640
true up, that's for you know how much

3094
02:12:55,640 --> 02:12:57,640
money you're getting and it came

3095
02:12:57,640 --> 02:13:01,840
in $128,000 higher than hdl . We don't know

3096
02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:05,640
why they send

3097
02:13:05,640 --> 02:13:07,640
us the money, and we work with hdl

3098
02:13:07,640 --> 02:13:08,640
usually six weeks after they get

3099
02:13:08,640 --> 02:13:12,240
all the data, and start analyzing,

3100
02:13:12,640 --> 02:13:13,640
we should meet with them around the

3101
02:13:13,640 --> 02:13:14,640
first part

3102
02:13:14,640 --> 02:13:16,640
of july to late july, so we'll have

3103
02:13:16,640 --> 02:13:19,640
a better sense of why it went up.

3104
02:13:19,640 --> 02:13:20,640
at

3105
02:13:20,640 --> 02:13:22,640
this point we're not recommending updates

3106
02:13:22,640 --> 02:13:23,640
to the sales tax projections, there's a

3107
02:13:23,640 --> 02:13:24,640
lot going

3108
02:13:24,640 --> 02:13:28,640
on, but that was a very good thing to see.

3109
02:13:28,640 --> 02:13:31,640
we're happy on that front. So,

3110
02:13:31,640 --> 02:13:34,640
now budget updates, changes we are requesting,

3111
02:13:34,640 --> 02:13:37,400
that have occurred since

3112
02:13:37,640 --> 02:13:40,640
we met on april 15th.

3113
02:13:40,640 --> 02:13:42,640
april 15th

3114
02:13:43,640 --> 02:13:44,640
we mentioned

3115
02:13:44,640 --> 02:13:46,640
that we were going off preliminary budgets

3116
02:13:46,640 --> 02:13:47,640
for fire and police, we got there

3117
02:13:47,640 --> 02:13:48,640
final

3118
02:13:48,640 --> 02:13:52,640
budgets, the fire contract is a decrease of 176,000.

3119
02:13:52,640 --> 02:13:55,640
we're seeing lower personnel costs and

3120
02:13:55,640 --> 02:13:56,640
the county overhead costs and

3121
02:13:56,640 --> 02:13:58,640
the general overhead the county charges

3122
02:13:58,640 --> 02:14:00,640
was lower than anticipated. Our

3123
02:14:00,640 --> 02:14:03,640
dispatch costs did go up a little bit and

3124
02:14:03,640 --> 02:14:04,640
program expenses is general service

3125
02:14:04,640 --> 02:14:06,640
and supplies went up.

3126
02:14:06,640 --> 02:14:09,640
overall a decrease and we wanted to point out that

3127
02:14:09,640 --> 02:14:13,240
they are requesting we allocate $1.75 million

3128
02:14:13,640 --> 02:14:14,640
for the purchase

3129
02:14:14,640 --> 02:14:15,640
of two replacement fire engines, we've

3130
02:14:15,640 --> 02:14:19,240
been setting money aside for this,

3131
02:14:19,640 --> 02:14:21,640
this will be fully funded by the iso

3132
02:14:21,640 --> 02:14:22,640
for vehicle replacement, we knew this was coming.

3133
02:14:22,640 --> 02:14:24,640
the interesting part

3134
02:14:24,640 --> 02:14:28,640
is there's a four year lead time, so we are

3135
02:14:28,640 --> 02:14:30,640
, we need

3136
02:14:30,640 --> 02:14:31,640
to allocate the money, put in a purchase

3137
02:14:31,640 --> 02:14:34,640
order, put it in and we'll see

3138
02:14:34,640 --> 02:14:35,640
in four years. But, we're

3139
02:14:35,640 --> 02:14:37,640
not going to have the trucks anytime

3140
02:14:37,640 --> 02:14:40,640
soon. We are starting the process.

3141
02:14:40,640 --> 02:14:43,640
and I guess that's a nationwide issue right now.

3142
02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:45,640
on

3143
02:14:45,640 --> 02:14:49,640
the police side it's an increase of 2000.

3144
02:14:49,640 --> 02:14:50,640
and

3145
02:14:50,640 --> 02:14:52,640
that's higher personnel cost, there

3146
02:14:52,640 --> 02:14:53,640
was a reduction in dispatch service costs

3147
02:14:53,640 --> 02:14:55,640
but overall

3148
02:14:55,640 --> 02:14:58,400
it's an increase in 260.

3149
02:14:58,640 --> 02:14:59,640
this year's budget includes

3150
02:14:59,640 --> 02:15:01,640
four behavioral health positions,

3151
02:15:01,640 --> 02:15:03,640
the three of them are funded by arpa and one

3152
02:15:03,640 --> 02:15:04,640
by federal grant, and then there's

3153
02:15:04,640 --> 02:15:07,640
also having to dare program positions.

3154
02:15:07,640 --> 02:15:09,640
those are funded by

3155
02:15:09,640 --> 02:15:10,640
opioid settlement funds. We're having

3156
02:15:10,640 --> 02:15:13,640
two retirees teach their and the

3157
02:15:13,640 --> 02:15:16,640
settlement funds will fund that.

3158
02:15:18,640 --> 02:15:19,640
and code enforcement we're requesting

3159
02:15:19,640 --> 02:15:20,640
a $200,000 increase and that's just

3160
02:15:20,640 --> 02:15:21,640
due

3161
02:15:21,640 --> 02:15:24,640
to ongoing legal issues and matters.

3162
02:15:24,640 --> 02:15:25,640
and that's it on the expenditure side,

3163
02:15:25,640 --> 02:15:28,400
and the revenue side

3164
02:15:28,640 --> 02:15:30,640
on

3165
02:15:30,640 --> 02:15:31,640
april 15th meeting we had mentioned that

3166
02:15:31,640 --> 02:15:32,640
we were going to revisit licenses

3167
02:15:32,640 --> 02:15:33,640
and

3168
02:15:33,640 --> 02:15:36,640
permits, so we are requesting a decrease of

3169
02:15:36,640 --> 02:15:37,640
, that's just based on current year trends

3170
02:15:37,640 --> 02:15:39,640
that

3171
02:15:39,640 --> 02:15:40,640
we perceive going into next year.

3172
02:15:40,640 --> 02:15:43,400
and trans occupancy tax,

3173
02:15:43,640 --> 02:15:45,640
we're requesting a

3174
02:15:46,640 --> 02:15:49,640
decrease of 100,000, and that's from

3175
02:15:49,640 --> 02:15:52,640
1.5 million to 1.4, in the last

3176
02:15:52,640 --> 02:15:54,640
month the receipts

3177
02:15:58,640 --> 02:15:59,640
we were seeing was slightly higher

3178
02:15:59,640 --> 02:16:00,640
again, it's moving

3179
02:16:00,640 --> 02:16:01,640
in the right direction, we're happy

3180
02:16:01,640 --> 02:16:02,640
with what we're seeing but we're still

3181
02:16:02,640 --> 02:16:03,640
lower than

3182
02:16:03,640 --> 02:16:04,640
originally anticipated, we're requesting

3183
02:16:04,640 --> 02:16:08,240
we decrease by 100,000, I should say.

3184
02:16:10,640 --> 02:16:15,440
and this is just kind of a summary,

3185
02:16:15,640 --> 02:16:16,640
we'll be talking about cip, that's

3186
02:16:16,640 --> 02:16:17,640
the transfer outs on the next item. But

3187
02:16:17,640 --> 02:16:18,640
we

3188
02:16:18,640 --> 02:16:22,240
have a very healthy operating surplus

3189
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:23,640
, just want to point that out, that

3190
02:16:23,640 --> 02:16:25,640
we

3191
02:16:26,640 --> 02:16:29,400
still have a surplus

3192
02:16:31,640 --> 02:16:34,640
and I should point out that all those changes

3193
02:16:34,640 --> 02:16:39,440
I just described is 503 thousand dollars general fund.

3194
02:16:42,640 --> 02:16:43,640
something that we did not include

3195
02:16:43,640 --> 02:16:47,640
but we would like your direction on,

3196
02:16:47,640 --> 02:16:49,640
that may 22nd, the city and the

3197
02:16:49,640 --> 02:16:50,640
unified school liaison meeting , the

3198
02:16:50,640 --> 02:16:53,640
school district requested city fund

3199
02:16:54,640 --> 02:16:55,640
additional crossing guard positions

3200
02:16:55,640 --> 02:16:58,400
at approximately $23,000 per position.

3201
02:17:00,640 --> 02:17:01,640
staff believes this is a reasonable

3202
02:17:01,640 --> 02:17:05,840
request given the growth in the community.

3203
02:17:08,640 --> 02:17:09,640
and previous mention this

3204
02:17:09,640 --> 02:17:10,640
has not been incorporated in the budget,

3205
02:17:10,640 --> 02:17:11,640
and we'll ask for your direction on

3206
02:17:11,640 --> 02:17:12,640
how you

3207
02:17:12,640 --> 02:17:14,640
would like to proceed with that. And then

3208
02:17:14,640 --> 02:17:16,640
at the april 14th,

3209
02:17:16,640 --> 02:17:18,640
you had provided, given us direction to look at

3210
02:17:18,640 --> 02:17:21,400
budget balance and considerations.

3211
02:17:23,640 --> 02:17:24,640
we've gone back and look at potential

3212
02:17:24,640 --> 02:17:28,240
cost reduction in revenue enhancements, staff

3213
02:17:30,640 --> 02:17:32,640
is not recommending any of these actions.

3214
02:17:32,640 --> 02:17:33,640
we still continue to have the strong

3215
02:17:33,640 --> 02:17:35,640
surplus position. The information we're seeing

3216
02:17:35,640 --> 02:17:37,640
with

3217
02:17:37,640 --> 02:17:41,640
the revenue we got , continue to be positive.

3218
02:17:41,640 --> 02:17:44,640
we want to present this,

3219
02:17:44,640 --> 02:17:46,640
that basically

3220
02:17:47,640 --> 02:17:53,640
we have a plan to be implemented should we need to.

3221
02:17:53,640 --> 02:17:56,640
and something to think of as

3222
02:17:56,640 --> 02:17:57,640
we go over this, if immediate

3223
02:17:57,640 --> 02:17:59,640
corrective actions are needed, that's

3224
02:17:59,640 --> 02:18:00,640
usually the first step, revenues coming in low,

3225
02:18:00,640 --> 02:18:02,640
you realize you're forecasting a deficit,

3226
02:18:02,640 --> 02:18:04,640
it

3227
02:18:04,640 --> 02:18:05,640
would have to be on the expenditure

3228
02:18:05,640 --> 02:18:08,400
side, that's because cities

3229
02:18:09,640 --> 02:18:11,640
are strictly constrained on how additional

3230
02:18:11,640 --> 02:18:14,400
revenue can be raised.

3231
02:18:16,640 --> 02:18:17,640
revenue enhancements basically need

3232
02:18:17,640 --> 02:18:19,640
voter approval and with

3233
02:18:19,640 --> 02:18:20,640
voter approval that takes time and is not guaranteed.

3234
02:18:20,640 --> 02:18:21,640
two address

3235
02:18:21,640 --> 02:18:23,640
any immediate actions would have to

3236
02:18:23,640 --> 02:18:24,640
be on the expenditure side as you

3237
02:18:24,640 --> 02:18:26,640
line

3238
02:18:26,640 --> 02:18:29,640
those things up more for future.

3239
02:18:29,640 --> 02:18:31,640
I apologize, that's a little small,

3240
02:18:31,640 --> 02:18:35,240
but, what's big on the powerpoint.

3241
02:18:35,640 --> 02:18:36,640
we work with

3242
02:18:36,640 --> 02:18:38,640
departments on what scaling back would mean

3243
02:18:38,640 --> 02:18:41,400
, parks and community services.

3244
02:18:44,640 --> 02:18:45,640
it would be not getting rid of events,

3245
02:18:45,640 --> 02:18:49,240
but, limiting them, and decreasing them.

3246
02:18:50,640 --> 02:18:53,400
we had an attachment

3247
02:18:53,640 --> 02:18:56,640
that went into more detail, but,

3248
02:18:56,640 --> 02:19:01,640
the impact on that would just be the negative impacts

3249
02:19:01,640 --> 02:19:05,640
on the community quality of life, community engagement.

3250
02:19:05,640 --> 02:19:07,640
we've identified 200 and

3251
02:19:08,640 --> 02:19:11,400
$58,000 worth of cuts, there,

3252
02:19:12,640 --> 02:19:14,640
non-departmental, we talked about

3253
02:19:14,640 --> 02:19:17,640
the library earlier, and how we fund additional hours.

3254
02:19:17,640 --> 02:19:19,640
reduction in

3255
02:19:19,640 --> 02:19:23,640
library hours would be, if we reduced

3256
02:19:23,640 --> 02:19:26,640
all of the city funded

3257
02:19:26,640 --> 02:19:28,640
hours it would be $367,000.

3258
02:19:28,640 --> 02:19:31,640
public works would really be reducing maintenance

3259
02:19:31,640 --> 02:19:35,240
and contract services, especially with mce.

3260
02:19:35,640 --> 02:19:38,400
field conditions, things like

3261
02:19:38,640 --> 02:19:41,400
mowing less, doing less

3262
02:19:41,640 --> 02:19:44,640
preventative on baseball fields and

3263
02:19:44,640 --> 02:19:47,400
that sort of thing.

3264
02:19:47,640 --> 02:19:49,640
and then, the impact would be

3265
02:19:49,640 --> 02:19:50,640
an effect on the user groups. And you

3266
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:53,400
molest, there would be

3267
02:19:53,640 --> 02:19:56,640
issues with clumping and debris on the grass,

3268
02:19:56,640 --> 02:19:58,640
you'd have clippings.

3269
02:19:59,640 --> 02:20:02,640
and anytime you do for maintenance

3270
02:20:02,640 --> 02:20:03,640
you have the potential for future,

3271
02:20:03,640 --> 02:20:04,640
higher

3272
02:20:04,640 --> 02:20:08,240
cost due to that deferred maintenance.

3273
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:11,640
and we spend a lot

3274
02:20:11,640 --> 02:20:14,640
on our fields, that would be

3275
02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:16,640
a $1.75 million decrease. And again,

3276
02:20:16,640 --> 02:20:17,640
it's not an all or nothing, they're

3277
02:20:17,640 --> 02:20:19,640
obviously levels you

3278
02:20:20,640 --> 02:20:21,640
could do to this. If it came down

3279
02:20:21,640 --> 02:20:23,640
to this

3280
02:20:23,640 --> 02:20:26,400
we've identified those costs.

3281
02:20:26,640 --> 02:20:27,640
and on the finance side, we would

3282
02:20:27,640 --> 02:20:28,640
come

3283
02:20:28,640 --> 02:20:29,640
back to you for discussion on how

3284
02:20:29,640 --> 02:20:30,640
much we want to set aside for

3285
02:20:30,640 --> 02:20:32,640
preventative maintenance. We currently

3286
02:20:32,640 --> 02:20:35,640
set aside 2 million, we thought

3287
02:20:35,640 --> 02:20:38,640
a good place to start would be

3288
02:20:38,640 --> 02:20:39,640
a reduction of 750,000. But again,

3289
02:20:39,640 --> 02:20:41,640
it's just an arbitrary

3290
02:20:41,640 --> 02:20:42,640
number that we could talk , have the

3291
02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:43,640
discussion

3292
02:20:43,640 --> 02:20:46,640
with you about our infrastructure

3293
02:20:49,640 --> 02:20:50,640
is aging, so any money we don't set

3294
02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:52,640
aside now would affect us later.

3295
02:20:52,640 --> 02:20:56,640
that would just be a one-time or multiple times

3296
02:20:56,640 --> 02:20:58,640
setting

3297
02:20:58,640 --> 02:21:01,640
, not setting that money aside, I should say.

3298
02:21:01,640 --> 02:21:02,640
we would recommend just a hiring freeze.

3299
02:21:02,640 --> 02:21:05,400
it's hard to say

3300
02:21:05,640 --> 02:21:07,640
exactly what that would mean

3301
02:21:07,640 --> 02:21:12,640
in terms of revenue. It depends on the position.

3302
02:21:12,640 --> 02:21:14,640
you

3303
02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:16,640
cannot hire, you have a position that is fully funded

3304
02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:19,640
with developer fees, or an admin position

3305
02:21:19,640 --> 02:21:23,240
that doesn't have any revenue offset,

3306
02:21:24,640 --> 02:21:26,640
level of importance.

3307
02:21:27,640 --> 02:21:28,640
and then typically, when you

3308
02:21:28,640 --> 02:21:29,640
do that, it's up to the city manager

3309
02:21:29,640 --> 02:21:33,240
to approve hiring of the position.

3310
02:21:35,640 --> 02:21:36,640
and then reduce training and travel

3311
02:21:36,640 --> 02:21:38,640
would be one, we

3312
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:39,640
spent 400,000 they are, that would

3313
02:21:39,640 --> 02:21:40,640
be

3314
02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:43,640
for non-mandated or third-party funded travel. But,

3315
02:21:43,640 --> 02:21:46,640
that would decrease professional development.

3316
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:49,640
when

3317
02:21:49,640 --> 02:21:50,640
you're not part of working groups,

3318
02:21:50,640 --> 02:21:51,640
sometimes that can affect you in ways

3319
02:21:51,640 --> 02:21:52,640
you

3320
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:54,640
don't know, and it can lead to lower

3321
02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:57,400
quality of work overtime.

3322
02:21:57,640 --> 02:21:58,640
so, taking all of those into

3323
02:21:58,640 --> 02:22:00,640
consideration, it's $3.5 million.

3324
02:22:06,640 --> 02:22:07,640
and again, those aren't all or nothing,

3325
02:22:07,640 --> 02:22:09,640
those are just, if you did all of

3326
02:22:09,640 --> 02:22:10,640
those all at once, that's how

3327
02:22:10,640 --> 02:22:11,640
much we would save. On the revenue

3328
02:22:11,640 --> 02:22:14,640
side, the city's primary source of revenue

3329
02:22:14,640 --> 02:22:18,240
, big picture, our fees and taxes.

3330
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:21,640
prop 218 basically says fees can only

3331
02:22:21,640 --> 02:22:22,640
be set at

3332
02:22:22,640 --> 02:22:24,640
levels to recover cost. What that

3333
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:26,640
means is they can't

3334
02:22:26,640 --> 02:22:27,640
be arbitrarily increased unless you

3335
02:22:27,640 --> 02:22:29,640
have

3336
02:22:29,640 --> 02:22:34,640
an increase in your cost, or the fee was previously subsidized.

3337
02:22:34,640 --> 02:22:36,640
we don't subsidize a lot of fees but

3338
02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:38,640
there are some subsidies to

3339
02:22:38,640 --> 02:22:39,640
the tune of 256,000 , those are fees that

3340
02:22:39,640 --> 02:22:40,640
aren't mandated by

3341
02:22:40,640 --> 02:22:42,640
state law at a certain level, these

3342
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:45,400
are simply fees we

3343
02:22:45,640 --> 02:22:46,640
have chosen to subsidize, and those

3344
02:22:46,640 --> 02:22:50,840
are for business license fees, and also,

3345
02:22:53,640 --> 02:22:54,640
the remaining are in community development

3346
02:22:54,640 --> 02:22:55,640
and permit fees, and those

3347
02:22:55,640 --> 02:22:57,640
typically have to do with health and safety.

3348
02:22:57,640 --> 02:22:58,640
they're usually

3349
02:22:58,640 --> 02:23:00,640
the lower level fees, you don't want

3350
02:23:00,640 --> 02:23:03,640
to charge someone $300 for a $500 permit

3351
02:23:03,640 --> 02:23:05,640
because

3352
02:23:07,640 --> 02:23:09,640
it doesn't become cost effective and

3353
02:23:09,640 --> 02:23:12,640
they don't pull the permit and

3354
02:23:12,640 --> 02:23:14,640
that can cause problems.

3355
02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:18,240
and then, besides the fee subsidy,

3356
02:23:18,640 --> 02:23:22,840
the bigger issues we would bring back

3357
02:23:23,640 --> 02:23:29,400
our tax increases. The two we looked at is

3358
02:23:30,640 --> 02:23:33,400
transient occupancy tax, tot,

3359
02:23:33,640 --> 02:23:34,640
our rate is currently 8%, it has

3360
02:23:34,640 --> 02:23:37,640
been 8% since the city's inception.

3361
02:23:39,640 --> 02:23:40,640
the reason why these are popular is

3362
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:41,640
it

3363
02:23:41,640 --> 02:23:42,640
impacts visitors rather than residents.

3364
02:23:42,640 --> 02:23:45,400
the hotels charge them.

3365
02:23:48,640 --> 02:23:49,640
they don't

3366
02:23:49,640 --> 02:23:50,640
know what they're paying, they don't really

3367
02:23:50,640 --> 02:23:51,640
look at those, they're just charged

3368
02:23:51,640 --> 02:23:52,640
if you go

3369
02:23:52,640 --> 02:23:54,640
to a convention they're always in

3370
02:23:54,640 --> 02:23:56,640
there. Between 12 and 14%.

3371
02:23:57,640 --> 02:23:58,640
these have a high approval

3372
02:23:58,640 --> 02:24:00,640
rating in terms of passing, because

3373
02:24:00,640 --> 02:24:02,640
it's seen as

3374
02:24:03,640 --> 02:24:06,400
a tax on visitors

3375
02:24:06,640 --> 02:24:09,640
and nonresidents. The 2025-26 but

3376
02:24:09,640 --> 02:24:12,400
it has $1.4 million budgeted.

3377
02:24:12,640 --> 02:24:13,640
so if we increased it to 10, we would

3378
02:24:13,640 --> 02:24:16,400
see 350,000 increase it to 12, 700,000.

3379
02:24:18,640 --> 02:24:20,640
that was

3380
02:24:21,640 --> 02:24:24,400
kind of a reference.

3381
02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:27,400
sales tax increase, our

3382
02:24:27,640 --> 02:24:30,640
current rate, this is the

3383
02:24:30,640 --> 02:24:32,640
10.25, the city gets 1%.

3384
02:24:32,640 --> 02:24:36,640
for 25-26 our revenue is protected at $26 million.

3385
02:24:36,640 --> 02:24:39,640
there is a state tax of

3386
02:24:39,640 --> 02:24:41,640
10.50%. Point

3387
02:24:43,640 --> 02:24:46,640
2.5 remaining for all eligible agencies.

3388
02:24:48,640 --> 02:24:50,640
that's anybody

3389
02:24:51,640 --> 02:24:52,640
that overlaps with the city

3390
02:24:52,640 --> 02:24:56,240
of dublin, you can get legislative

3391
02:24:57,640 --> 02:25:01,240
and get a waiver of this,

3392
02:25:06,640 --> 02:25:09,640
that there is a cap

3393
02:25:09,640 --> 02:25:12,640
and we are .25% away from it.

3394
02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:14,640
if we pass that

3395
02:25:14,640 --> 02:25:18,640
we will get x amount of money, because projecting sales tax

3396
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:20,640
is difficult because it's

3397
02:25:20,640 --> 02:25:23,640
allocated particularly vehicles , you pay

3398
02:25:24,640 --> 02:25:26,640
the

3399
02:25:26,640 --> 02:25:27,640
sales tax on a large purchase like a

3400
02:25:27,640 --> 02:25:30,640
vehicle based on the city you live.

3401
02:25:30,640 --> 02:25:33,640
if you're trying to go to the

3402
02:25:33,640 --> 02:25:36,640
central valley to escape r 10.25

3403
02:25:36,640 --> 02:25:37,640
and you have to show them your I.d.

3404
02:25:37,640 --> 02:25:39,640
and

3405
02:25:39,640 --> 02:25:43,640
they'll charge you anyway. But, just preliminary estimates

3406
02:25:43,640 --> 02:25:45,640
say we think

3407
02:25:46,640 --> 02:25:48,640
about $4.5 million-$6 million.

3408
02:25:49,640 --> 02:25:51,640
and that brings

3409
02:25:52,640 --> 02:25:54,640
us to connect steps.

3410
02:25:54,640 --> 02:25:56,640
provide staff direction on preliminary 25-26 budget, and

3411
02:25:56,640 --> 02:25:58,640
to confirm funding of three additional crossing guards,

3412
02:25:58,640 --> 02:26:00,640
and reduce cost

3413
02:26:02,640 --> 02:26:04,640
and to confirm that reductions are

3414
02:26:04,640 --> 02:26:07,640
not warranted at this time.

3415
02:26:07,640 --> 02:26:08,640
after today

3416
02:26:08,640 --> 02:26:09,640
the final budget proposal will be

3417
02:26:09,640 --> 02:26:12,640
brought back on june 17th for adoption.

3418
02:26:12,640 --> 02:26:17,440
and we are here to answer any questions.

3419
02:26:22,640 --> 02:26:25,400
>> again, thank you for

3420
02:26:25,640 --> 02:26:28,400
a very thorough report

3421
02:26:28,640 --> 02:26:29,640
. A couple of very

3422
02:26:29,640 --> 02:26:31,640
quick questions, one, I don't know, the

3423
02:26:31,640 --> 02:26:34,640
first one if you can answer.

3424
02:26:34,640 --> 02:26:35,640
I saw a

3425
02:26:35,640 --> 02:26:36,640
news report, I think it was today,

3426
02:26:36,640 --> 02:26:37,640
it might've been yesterday, that nationwide

3427
02:26:37,640 --> 02:26:38,640
auto sales

3428
02:26:38,640 --> 02:26:42,240
were down significantly in may, which

3429
02:26:43,640 --> 02:26:44,640
certainly would not be in the

3430
02:26:44,640 --> 02:26:46,640
sales tax figures we saw, and we might

3431
02:26:46,640 --> 02:26:47,640
not have any information about that

3432
02:26:47,640 --> 02:26:49,640
yet in dublin. Do we have a sense of

3433
02:26:49,640 --> 02:26:52,640
whether that was true here

3434
02:26:55,640 --> 02:26:56,640
the way it was in the west of the

3435
02:26:56,640 --> 02:26:57,640
country,

3436
02:26:57,640 --> 02:26:58,640
yet?

3437
02:26:58,640 --> 02:26:59,640
>> not for me but when we talked

3438
02:26:59,640 --> 02:27:00,640
to hdl what we're experiencing

3439
02:27:00,640 --> 02:27:01,640
here, they're seeing throughout the

3440
02:27:01,640 --> 02:27:03,640
state of the nation.

3441
02:27:03,640 --> 02:27:04,640
>> we don't have any reason to think

3442
02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:05,640
our trend would have been

3443
02:27:05,640 --> 02:27:06,640
any different from that.

3444
02:27:06,640 --> 02:27:07,640
>> not unfortunately,

3445
02:27:07,640 --> 02:27:08,640
no.

3446
02:27:08,640 --> 02:27:09,640
>> thank you. When

3447
02:27:09,640 --> 02:27:13,640
we talk about revenues, enhancing revenues is

3448
02:27:13,640 --> 02:27:16,400
almost all voter approval,

3449
02:27:16,640 --> 02:27:18,640
and then you

3450
02:27:18,640 --> 02:27:22,640
talked about the fees that we subsidize, there's other fees

3451
02:27:22,640 --> 02:27:23,640
that we are subsidizing that aren't

3452
02:27:23,640 --> 02:27:24,640
on

3453
02:27:24,640 --> 02:27:25,640
here, particularly parks and rec,

3454
02:27:25,640 --> 02:27:28,640
correct? So if my recollection is correct, our target

3455
02:27:28,640 --> 02:27:31,400
is to recover 65% of

3456
02:27:31,640 --> 02:27:34,640
park and rec fees, right?

3457
02:27:34,640 --> 02:27:36,640
is that accurate?

3458
02:27:37,640 --> 02:27:39,640
not every

3459
02:27:39,640 --> 02:27:40,640
one of them, but that's our target

3460
02:27:40,640 --> 02:27:43,400
for the total program.

3461
02:27:43,640 --> 02:27:46,640
so, there would be a possibility,

3462
02:27:46,640 --> 02:27:49,640
if we wanted to go

3463
02:27:49,640 --> 02:27:52,400
that route, I'm supportive

3464
02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:53,640
of what we're talking

3465
02:27:53,640 --> 02:27:55,640
about right now. If we wanted to go

3466
02:27:55,640 --> 02:27:56,640
down that road eventually there would

3467
02:27:56,640 --> 02:27:58,640
be a

3468
02:27:58,640 --> 02:28:00,640
potential for revenue increases ,

3469
02:28:00,640 --> 02:28:01,640
if we wanted to go that route. I'm

3470
02:28:01,640 --> 02:28:04,640
not saying we would, because

3471
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:06,640
at

3472
02:28:06,640 --> 02:28:07,640
the same time the city is hurting

3473
02:28:07,640 --> 02:28:08,640
because if we were in a recession our

3474
02:28:08,640 --> 02:28:10,640
residents would be hurting as well.

3475
02:28:10,640 --> 02:28:11,640
we would want to necessarily put that

3476
02:28:11,640 --> 02:28:12,640
burden

3477
02:28:12,640 --> 02:28:13,640
on them but there would be some amount

3478
02:28:13,640 --> 02:28:17,240
of revenue we could recover from

3479
02:28:18,640 --> 02:28:19,640
parks, fees or users groups, little

3480
02:28:19,640 --> 02:28:20,640
league, things like that.

3481
02:28:20,640 --> 02:28:24,840
an opportunity but eventually offset some of

3482
02:28:25,640 --> 02:28:28,400
the mce, for example,

3483
02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:29,640
mow the lawn a little less or continue

3484
02:28:29,640 --> 02:28:30,640
to

3485
02:28:30,640 --> 02:28:34,640
mow the lawn the same way if we charged

3486
02:28:34,640 --> 02:28:35,640
our sports leagues a little bit more

3487
02:28:35,640 --> 02:28:36,640
to

3488
02:28:36,640 --> 02:28:37,640
cover those costs, that would be a

3489
02:28:37,640 --> 02:28:40,640
possibility. To offset some of that negative

3490
02:28:40,640 --> 02:28:43,640
impacts on the sports fields,

3491
02:28:43,640 --> 02:28:46,640
things like that. Okay. And

3492
02:28:46,640 --> 02:28:49,640
we just sent them , we don't have to, that's not

3493
02:28:49,640 --> 02:28:51,640
a 218.

3494
02:28:52,640 --> 02:28:54,640
>> these are not prop 218. >>

3495
02:28:54,640 --> 02:28:58,640
we don't have to, we could set them

3496
02:28:58,640 --> 02:29:00,640
over 100%,

3497
02:29:01,640 --> 02:29:02,640
but right now we're only 65%.

3498
02:29:02,640 --> 02:29:04,640
>> and

3499
02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:07,640
they, they're carved out because it's providing a service

3500
02:29:07,640 --> 02:29:09,640
that others

3501
02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:13,640
can provide as well. We

3502
02:29:13,640 --> 02:29:16,640
can charge some market rate.

3503
02:29:16,640 --> 02:29:17,640
we could technically collect over

3504
02:29:17,640 --> 02:29:18,640
but you'd

3505
02:29:18,640 --> 02:29:19,640
be pricing yourself out.

3506
02:29:19,640 --> 02:29:21,640
>> and there's

3507
02:29:22,640 --> 02:29:24,640
diminishing return. Exactly.

3508
02:29:27,640 --> 02:29:28,640
that was it for my questions right

3509
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:29,640
now, thank you.

3510
02:29:29,640 --> 02:29:31,640
>>

3511
02:29:31,640 --> 02:29:32,640
thank you, questions mark

3512
02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:34,640
>> yeah.

3513
02:29:36,640 --> 02:29:37,640
quick question, just for my edification,

3514
02:29:37,640 --> 02:29:39,640
if you wanted

3515
02:29:40,640 --> 02:29:41,640
to increase the occupancy, transfer

3516
02:29:41,640 --> 02:29:43,640
occupancy rate, is that

3517
02:29:43,640 --> 02:29:45,640
a voter initiative?

3518
02:29:46,640 --> 02:29:49,400
all of it is ,

3519
02:29:49,640 --> 02:29:52,640
I just wanted to verify

3520
02:29:52,640 --> 02:29:55,400
if that was something

3521
02:29:55,640 --> 02:29:58,640
that would take time anyway, all those revenue producing initiatives

3522
02:29:58,640 --> 02:30:02,640
probably wouldn't be immediate, they'd take some time.

3523
02:30:02,640 --> 02:30:05,400
so, I'm very interested.

3524
02:30:05,640 --> 02:30:07,640
I'm not

3525
02:30:07,640 --> 02:30:11,640
really in favor of, other than your proposal,

3526
02:30:11,640 --> 02:30:12,640
but

3527
02:30:12,640 --> 02:30:16,240
cutting additional costs at this time,

3528
02:30:17,640 --> 02:30:20,640
I listen very carefully to some

3529
02:30:20,640 --> 02:30:23,640
of the speakers and I think

3530
02:30:23,640 --> 02:30:24,640
one of the speakers

3531
02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:25,640
today made a misstatement in that

3532
02:30:25,640 --> 02:30:26,640
our reserves would be depleted after

3533
02:30:26,640 --> 02:30:27,640
a certain

3534
02:30:27,640 --> 02:30:28,640
point in time. That is absolutely

3535
02:30:28,640 --> 02:30:30,640
not the case, we're talking about

3536
02:30:30,640 --> 02:30:32,640
potential deficits. We are extremely strong

3537
02:30:32,640 --> 02:30:34,640
,

3538
02:30:35,640 --> 02:30:37,640
and our reserves

3539
02:30:38,640 --> 02:30:41,640
are very, very large, and

3540
02:30:41,640 --> 02:30:43,640
can withstand a lot of this. So,

3541
02:30:43,640 --> 02:30:44,640
putting that into context here from

3542
02:30:44,640 --> 02:30:45,640
the operating

3543
02:30:45,640 --> 02:30:50,440
standpoint, I'm looking at some of your proposals,

3544
02:30:50,640 --> 02:30:52,640
potential,

3545
02:30:53,640 --> 02:30:55,640
and while I don't see a

3546
02:30:55,640 --> 02:30:56,640
real need, I appreciate looking into

3547
02:30:56,640 --> 02:30:58,640
what

3548
02:30:59,640 --> 02:31:02,400
we can do. But,

3549
02:31:02,640 --> 02:31:05,400
I look at just

3550
02:31:07,640 --> 02:31:11,640
freezing, hiring, some of the things randomly, and thought,

3551
02:31:11,640 --> 02:31:14,640
I'd ask you, at what point

3552
02:31:14,640 --> 02:31:16,640
in time would you even consider

3553
02:31:16,640 --> 02:31:18,640
doing things like that? We've thrown

3554
02:31:18,640 --> 02:31:22,840
these up here as potential cost cuts,

3555
02:31:23,640 --> 02:31:25,640
but,

3556
02:31:26,640 --> 02:31:29,640
how realistic are they within the next

3557
02:31:29,640 --> 02:31:31,640
three to five years?

3558
02:31:31,640 --> 02:31:32,640
you might mess around with the library

3559
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:34,640
here and there, and that's

3560
02:31:34,640 --> 02:31:38,640
not draconian, either, as I can see

3561
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:40,640
from your analysis. But,

3562
02:31:40,640 --> 02:31:44,640
which of these, on this list, would be more

3563
02:31:44,640 --> 02:31:47,640
palatable to phase in , a

3564
02:31:47,640 --> 02:31:50,640
priority in any of this?

3565
02:31:50,640 --> 02:31:52,640
>> I'll jump in.

3566
02:31:53,640 --> 02:31:55,640
so, this list

3567
02:31:56,640 --> 02:31:59,640
is sort of a standard list , that most

3568
02:31:59,640 --> 02:32:00,640
communities

3569
02:32:00,640 --> 02:32:04,240
would look at these general categories

3570
02:32:04,640 --> 02:32:08,640
when they are faced with a structural deficit

3571
02:32:08,640 --> 02:32:11,400
or coming recession. It's

3572
02:32:11,640 --> 02:32:13,640
always going to be

3573
02:32:13,640 --> 02:32:14,640
parks, it's always going to be maintenance. It's

3574
02:32:14,640 --> 02:32:16,640
going to be

3575
02:32:16,640 --> 02:32:20,640
events. And then we have a couple of areas where

3576
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:21,640
we do things

3577
02:32:21,640 --> 02:32:22,640
a little differently that we could

3578
02:32:22,640 --> 02:32:25,640
tap into, this preventative maintenance,

3579
02:32:25,640 --> 02:32:29,640
we haven't yet done our full analysis

3580
02:32:29,640 --> 02:32:31,640
of the

3581
02:32:31,640 --> 02:32:35,640
health of our internal service funds, they're very healthy.

3582
02:32:35,640 --> 02:32:37,640
but

3583
02:32:37,640 --> 02:32:38,640
we haven't said, well, we need exactly this

3584
02:32:38,640 --> 02:32:39,640
much money for exactly all

3585
02:32:39,640 --> 02:32:41,640
of these assets. So, we just know

3586
02:32:41,640 --> 02:32:43,640
that it's

3587
02:32:43,640 --> 02:32:44,640
very healthy because we've been putting

3588
02:32:44,640 --> 02:32:47,640
2 million a year into it.

3589
02:32:47,640 --> 02:32:49,640
that would be

3590
02:32:50,640 --> 02:32:53,400
one place that immediately,

3591
02:32:53,640 --> 02:32:54,640
if

3592
02:32:54,640 --> 02:32:56,640
the council said we don't want to

3593
02:32:56,640 --> 02:32:57,640
cut any services to the community, we

3594
02:32:57,640 --> 02:32:58,640
want

3595
02:32:58,640 --> 02:32:59,640
to maintain all of our events the

3596
02:32:59,640 --> 02:33:02,640
way they are, and we want our fields

3597
02:33:02,640 --> 02:33:04,640
to be pristine and all this,

3598
02:33:04,640 --> 02:33:05,640
we might look at something like a year

3599
02:33:05,640 --> 02:33:08,640
off of this preventative maintenance contribution,

3600
02:33:08,640 --> 02:33:11,640
knowing that the reserve is very

3601
02:33:11,640 --> 02:33:14,400
healthy in that fund.

3602
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:15,640
this list should be viewed as something

3603
02:33:15,640 --> 02:33:16,640
we have

3604
02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:17,640
in our back pockets always, that we

3605
02:33:17,640 --> 02:33:20,400
could always tap into,

3606
02:33:20,640 --> 02:33:23,640
if really needed. But, you bring

3607
02:33:23,640 --> 02:33:24,640
up a good point. We have

3608
02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:26,640
so many reserves that we can also

3609
02:33:26,640 --> 02:33:29,640
use as a bridge. Also

3610
02:33:29,640 --> 02:33:31,640
careful to

3611
02:33:31,640 --> 02:33:35,640
not deplete those, but, I've told you before that

3612
02:33:35,640 --> 02:33:37,640
if it was armageddon

3613
02:33:37,640 --> 02:33:38,640
and everything stopped, we could still

3614
02:33:38,640 --> 02:33:41,400
operate for a year.

3615
02:33:41,640 --> 02:33:44,640
with no money coming in.

3616
02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:47,640
we're in a different position than a

3617
02:33:47,640 --> 02:33:49,640
lot of communities.

3618
02:33:49,640 --> 02:33:50,640
we have an operating surplus of $17

3619
02:33:50,640 --> 02:33:53,640
million. You asked when would we consider

3620
02:33:53,640 --> 02:33:56,400
any of these things.

3621
02:33:56,640 --> 02:33:57,640
in the next year if sales tax looks

3622
02:33:57,640 --> 02:33:58,640
really

3623
02:33:58,640 --> 02:33:59,640
bad, I'll probably come back with

3624
02:33:59,640 --> 02:34:02,400
some recommendation. To just

3625
02:34:04,640 --> 02:34:05,640
make some sort of a one-time cut,

3626
02:34:05,640 --> 02:34:07,640
we'll look at this list but

3627
02:34:07,640 --> 02:34:08,640
I'll likely look at places like the

3628
02:34:08,640 --> 02:34:09,640
preventative maintenance. Maybe I

3629
02:34:09,640 --> 02:34:10,640
would

3630
02:34:10,640 --> 02:34:14,640
recommend using a year of our economic

3631
02:34:14,640 --> 02:34:17,640
, our disaster reserve, we have 8 million in that.

3632
02:34:17,640 --> 02:34:20,640
it would be a bridge for me

3633
02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:22,640
until we really face

3634
02:34:22,640 --> 02:34:23,640
a structural deficit, and we would

3635
02:34:23,640 --> 02:34:24,640
want to be three years

3636
02:34:24,640 --> 02:34:25,640
prepared for that eventuality.

3637
02:34:25,640 --> 02:34:26,640
>>

3638
02:34:26,640 --> 02:34:30,240
I do want to make that,

3639
02:34:31,640 --> 02:34:35,640
our objective is services for the community.

3640
02:34:35,640 --> 02:34:37,640
as you pointed

3641
02:34:38,640 --> 02:34:40,640
out, that some of these cuts

3642
02:34:40,640 --> 02:34:44,640
would impact those services and be very noticeable.

3643
02:34:44,640 --> 02:34:47,640
so, I think we're very fortunate

3644
02:34:47,640 --> 02:34:50,640
that we do have very strong reserves,

3645
02:34:50,640 --> 02:34:52,640
and we have cash flow, positive.

3646
02:34:52,640 --> 02:34:56,240
that we can support those services.

3647
02:34:56,640 --> 02:34:58,640
I absolutely appreciate

3648
02:34:59,640 --> 02:35:01,640
, I

3649
02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:03,640
think these are quite modest changes

3650
02:35:03,640 --> 02:35:06,400
that you're asking for.

3651
02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:08,640
but, that's

3652
02:35:09,640 --> 02:35:11,640
for a different topic. Anyway.

3653
02:35:11,640 --> 02:35:15,240
I wanted clarification on the stages,

3654
02:35:15,640 --> 02:35:17,640
when you might

3655
02:35:17,640 --> 02:35:18,640
implement, and I think

3656
02:35:18,640 --> 02:35:21,640
>> let me add one more thing.

3657
02:35:21,640 --> 02:35:22,640
I

3658
02:35:22,640 --> 02:35:24,640
think I mentioned this before, when we

3659
02:35:24,640 --> 02:35:27,640
heard about this sales tax,

3660
02:35:27,640 --> 02:35:28,640
I changed my budget proposal

3661
02:35:28,640 --> 02:35:30,640
that was going to come before you,

3662
02:35:30,640 --> 02:35:32,640
because I originally

3663
02:35:33,640 --> 02:35:35,640
had four staff added.

3664
02:35:35,640 --> 02:35:38,640
to continue the level of service we provide today.

3665
02:35:38,640 --> 02:35:41,640
it might have been five, four or five.

3666
02:35:41,640 --> 02:35:44,640
and ultimately I came back with two.

3667
02:35:44,640 --> 02:35:48,640
that's already in action, that I took that

3668
02:35:48,640 --> 02:35:49,640
we're

3669
02:35:49,640 --> 02:35:51,640
not really talking about and you don't see,

3670
02:35:51,640 --> 02:35:54,640
the fact of the matter is,

3671
02:35:54,640 --> 02:35:55,640
we're going

3672
02:35:55,640 --> 02:35:56,640
to need those staff to provide the

3673
02:35:56,640 --> 02:35:57,640
ongoing service level, we've already

3674
02:35:57,640 --> 02:35:58,640
said let's

3675
02:35:58,640 --> 02:36:00,640
said let's pause on this and see how

3676
02:36:00,640 --> 02:36:01,640
the rest of the year goes.

3677
02:36:01,640 --> 02:36:03,640
>> I appreciate your

3678
02:36:03,640 --> 02:36:05,640
proactive strategy on this, that's

3679
02:36:05,640 --> 02:36:06,640
really where I'm at right now. I'm good

3680
02:36:06,640 --> 02:36:08,640
with what I

3681
02:36:09,640 --> 02:36:12,400
see, here. That's it.

3682
02:36:12,640 --> 02:36:13,640
>>

3683
02:36:13,640 --> 02:36:15,640
thank you again for the presentation.

3684
02:36:15,640 --> 02:36:16,640
I got a couple of questions. If you

3685
02:36:16,640 --> 02:36:18,640
go back to your budget update slide number four,

3686
02:36:18,640 --> 02:36:20,640
can you

3687
02:36:20,640 --> 02:36:24,640
walk me through the top two lines, the delta,

3688
02:36:24,640 --> 02:36:26,640
roughly 200 and 300,000

3689
02:36:28,640 --> 02:36:32,240
accounting for that half $1 million decrease.

3690
02:36:33,640 --> 02:36:36,640
just a little more detail

3691
02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:39,400
and context to that.

3692
02:36:39,640 --> 02:36:41,640
there we go, yes.

3693
02:36:41,640 --> 02:36:45,640
>> on the revenue side will be the

3694
02:36:45,640 --> 02:36:48,400
$100,000 for the tot that

3695
02:36:49,640 --> 02:36:51,640
were asking a decrease from 1.5 to

3696
02:36:51,640 --> 02:36:54,640
1.4, based on current year trends.

3697
02:36:54,640 --> 02:36:55,640
and then we're also in the licenses

3698
02:36:55,640 --> 02:36:56,640
and

3699
02:36:56,640 --> 02:36:57,640
fines, that's the one 19. That we're

3700
02:36:57,640 --> 02:37:00,400
asking for. A decrease.

3701
02:37:03,640 --> 02:37:06,640
and on the expenditures, we're having savings

3702
02:37:06,640 --> 02:37:07,640
on the fireside of the 176.

3703
02:37:07,640 --> 02:37:11,640
and an increase in police which is

3704
02:37:11,640 --> 02:37:14,640
260 and 200,000 for the code enforcement.

3705
02:37:15,640 --> 02:37:17,640
>> got it, okay.

3706
02:37:18,640 --> 02:37:21,400
thank you. For that.

3707
02:37:21,640 --> 02:37:24,400
and then, let's see.

3708
02:37:24,640 --> 02:37:27,400
the transit occupancy tax,

3709
02:37:27,640 --> 02:37:30,640
if we were to initiate

3710
02:37:30,640 --> 02:37:34,840
that, what with the timing look like?

3711
02:37:39,640 --> 02:37:40,640
>> sorry, I'm

3712
02:37:40,640 --> 02:37:42,640
going to jump in again. That's something that

3713
02:37:42,640 --> 02:37:43,640
we would want to coordinate with

3714
02:37:43,640 --> 02:37:47,840
our neighbors. Who are also at 8%, so,

3715
02:37:48,640 --> 02:37:50,640
where is everyone else

3716
02:37:50,640 --> 02:37:51,640
is at 12 around us, so, the city managers

3717
02:37:51,640 --> 02:37:54,640
have talked about it, and

3718
02:37:59,640 --> 02:38:00,640
given pleasanton situation I'm sure

3719
02:38:00,640 --> 02:38:01,640
they are looking at

3720
02:38:01,640 --> 02:38:03,640
it, so we would get back together

3721
02:38:03,640 --> 02:38:04,640
and talk about how to make it happen

3722
02:38:04,640 --> 02:38:05,640
altogether.

3723
02:38:05,640 --> 02:38:06,640
so we show this united front on this.

3724
02:38:06,640 --> 02:38:08,640
>> I think

3725
02:38:09,640 --> 02:38:11,640
,

3726
02:38:11,640 --> 02:38:12,640
I'm not quite sure how long it takes, it's

3727
02:38:12,640 --> 02:38:13,640
less than a year to

3728
02:38:13,640 --> 02:38:15,640
do it. Probably somewhere between

3729
02:38:15,640 --> 02:38:16,640
six and nine months.

3730
02:38:16,640 --> 02:38:18,640
>> okay,

3731
02:38:18,640 --> 02:38:20,640
and you need

3732
02:38:21,640 --> 02:38:23,640
direction from council, to

3733
02:38:23,640 --> 02:38:26,640
move forward with that or is that more

3734
02:38:26,640 --> 02:38:27,640
driven coordination across other cities?

3735
02:38:27,640 --> 02:38:28,640
>>

3736
02:38:28,640 --> 02:38:30,640
I would pursue

3737
02:38:30,640 --> 02:38:32,640
a schedule

3738
02:38:33,640 --> 02:38:34,640
with the other cities.

3739
02:38:34,640 --> 02:38:36,640
>> perfect.

3740
02:38:36,640 --> 02:38:38,640
and

3741
02:38:39,640 --> 02:38:42,640
then, in one of your slides, you mentioned having more clarity

3742
02:38:42,640 --> 02:38:45,640
in terms of the tax

3743
02:38:45,640 --> 02:38:47,640
, the sales tax

3744
02:38:48,640 --> 02:38:51,640
by fourth quarter of 25. If

3745
02:38:51,640 --> 02:38:52,640
we did see

3746
02:38:52,640 --> 02:38:56,240
a sustained decrease in revenue, what

3747
02:38:56,640 --> 02:39:00,640
are our options in terms of potential

3748
02:39:00,640 --> 02:39:02,640
reductions midyear?

3749
02:39:03,640 --> 02:39:05,640
>>

3750
02:39:05,640 --> 02:39:09,640
midyear become very important at that point.

3751
02:39:09,640 --> 02:39:10,640
I think as colleen said, we have

3752
02:39:10,640 --> 02:39:12,640
to put a package together for you,

3753
02:39:12,640 --> 02:39:13,640
but the preventative maintenance would be

3754
02:39:13,640 --> 02:39:15,640
the

3755
02:39:15,640 --> 02:39:18,640
first off the top because we

3756
02:39:18,640 --> 02:39:21,640
don't want to cut services,

3757
02:39:21,640 --> 02:39:23,640
we need to look to see, if

3758
02:39:23,640 --> 02:39:27,640
they think it's going to be sustained, is this just

3759
02:39:27,640 --> 02:39:28,640
going down and with tickets going

3760
02:39:28,640 --> 02:39:29,640
to go

3761
02:39:29,640 --> 02:39:30,640
up in the year, we might recommend

3762
02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:31,640
utilization of reserves, and may be

3763
02:39:31,640 --> 02:39:33,640
very

3764
02:39:33,640 --> 02:39:36,400
baseline cuts per department.

3765
02:39:38,640 --> 02:39:39,640
>> if I'm understanding correctly,

3766
02:39:39,640 --> 02:39:40,640
we have the opportunity to revisit the

3767
02:39:40,640 --> 02:39:41,640
budget

3768
02:39:41,640 --> 02:39:44,640
based on what's happening. Thank you.

3769
02:39:44,640 --> 02:39:45,640
those are all my questions for now.

3770
02:39:45,640 --> 02:39:48,640
>> thank you, that's awesome. So,

3771
02:39:48,640 --> 02:39:51,640
first, I do want to

3772
02:39:51,640 --> 02:39:53,640
reiterate, we have

3773
02:39:54,640 --> 02:39:57,640
very healthy finance budget, we still have

3774
02:39:57,640 --> 02:39:59,640
$16.8 million

3775
02:40:00,640 --> 02:40:03,640
, and we have a reserve of

3776
02:40:03,640 --> 02:40:05,640
$200 million here.

3777
02:40:06,640 --> 02:40:09,640
we are not in the same state or situation

3778
02:40:09,640 --> 02:40:10,640
as a lot of other cities , we are

3779
02:40:10,640 --> 02:40:12,640
really

3780
02:40:13,640 --> 02:40:16,640
looking at the budget balancing.

3781
02:40:16,640 --> 02:40:17,640
so, want to

3782
02:40:17,640 --> 02:40:22,640
make sure we understand we are in the very positive

3783
02:40:22,640 --> 02:40:24,640
financial situation right now,

3784
02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:28,640
and I do appreciate the city staff taking time,

3785
02:40:28,640 --> 02:40:30,640
looking into

3786
02:40:31,640 --> 02:40:32,640
all those strategies, because

3787
02:40:32,640 --> 02:40:34,640
as just mentioned, we want to have

3788
02:40:34,640 --> 02:40:37,400
those things in mind,

3789
02:40:37,640 --> 02:40:40,400
and to take actions

3790
02:40:40,640 --> 02:40:42,640
in the future.

3791
02:40:42,640 --> 02:40:46,640
so it's a very good exercise to go through this,

3792
02:40:46,640 --> 02:40:47,640
so a lot of ideas about how

3793
02:40:47,640 --> 02:40:49,640
much we can do, what items we can

3794
02:40:49,640 --> 02:40:50,640
think

3795
02:40:50,640 --> 02:40:52,640
about. That's great. Definitely, I

3796
02:40:52,640 --> 02:40:54,640
interested in this

3797
02:40:55,640 --> 02:40:57,640
tot tax increase,

3798
02:40:58,640 --> 02:41:00,640
and working

3799
02:41:00,640 --> 02:41:01,640
together with other cities, and also

3800
02:41:01,640 --> 02:41:04,640
we mention one thing about

3801
02:41:04,640 --> 02:41:06,640
the school

3802
02:41:07,640 --> 02:41:08,640
to

3803
02:41:08,640 --> 02:41:10,640
support the crossing guard, so I was

3804
02:41:10,640 --> 02:41:12,640
in the liaison meeting. I want to give

3805
02:41:12,640 --> 02:41:16,640
kudos, shout out to our city manager colleen,

3806
02:41:16,640 --> 02:41:18,640
because our relationship

3807
02:41:20,640 --> 02:41:22,640
with school district has improved

3808
02:41:22,640 --> 02:41:25,640
greatly over the past year, and

3809
02:41:25,640 --> 02:41:26,640
they actually recognize

3810
02:41:26,640 --> 02:41:30,840
our city manager, our cities work publicly.

3811
02:41:31,640 --> 02:41:33,640
so we appreciate that as well.

3812
02:41:33,640 --> 02:41:37,640
and for the crossing guard, it's about

3813
02:41:37,640 --> 02:41:40,640
safety, and it's about helping

3814
02:41:42,640 --> 02:41:46,840
to feel more relaxed, more at ease.

3815
02:41:47,640 --> 02:41:49,640
at home, where they know their children

3816
02:41:49,640 --> 02:41:50,640
are in safe hands, and also

3817
02:41:50,640 --> 02:41:54,240
the total cost. I think it's $60,000.

3818
02:41:54,640 --> 02:41:55,640
total cost.

3819
02:41:55,640 --> 02:41:57,640
>> just under 70, right?

3820
02:41:58,640 --> 02:42:01,400
total cost, 69. So I

3821
02:42:01,640 --> 02:42:04,400
would like to say,

3822
02:42:06,640 --> 02:42:07,640
our city council numbers also, I want

3823
02:42:07,640 --> 02:42:09,640
to hear from you, but I'm

3824
02:42:09,640 --> 02:42:10,640
supporting this crossing guard. So,

3825
02:42:10,640 --> 02:42:12,640
those are the

3826
02:42:12,640 --> 02:42:18,400
things I want to say. And for other events,

3827
02:42:19,640 --> 02:42:22,640
we know we talk about

3828
02:42:22,640 --> 02:42:23,640
the future services, if

3829
02:42:23,640 --> 02:42:25,640
in case of emergency we'll consider

3830
02:42:25,640 --> 02:42:27,640
other things

3831
02:42:28,640 --> 02:42:31,640
we can say from those things, including

3832
02:42:31,640 --> 02:42:33,640
cutting the grass ,

3833
02:42:34,640 --> 02:42:37,400
and all those things.

3834
02:42:37,640 --> 02:42:39,640
but, I don't think

3835
02:42:39,640 --> 02:42:43,640
we need as of this moment. That's what I thought.

3836
02:42:43,640 --> 02:42:45,640
>> public comment? >>

3837
02:42:46,640 --> 02:42:48,640
we want to see

3838
02:42:48,640 --> 02:42:49,640
if there's any public comments.

3839
02:42:49,640 --> 02:42:50,640
>> I

3840
02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:51,640
have no speaker slips on

3841
02:42:51,640 --> 02:42:52,640
this item.

3842
02:42:52,640 --> 02:42:53,640
>> so now, let's come back

3843
02:42:53,640 --> 02:42:55,640
to any additional comments

3844
02:42:55,640 --> 02:42:56,640
from any of you.

3845
02:42:56,640 --> 02:42:57,640
>> I

3846
02:42:57,640 --> 02:42:58,640
want to echo your comments about the

3847
02:42:58,640 --> 02:43:00,640
school

3848
02:43:01,640 --> 02:43:02,640
crossing guards, I appreciate our

3849
02:43:02,640 --> 02:43:03,640
liaison committee

3850
02:43:03,640 --> 02:43:04,640
with the school district and the cooperation,

3851
02:43:04,640 --> 02:43:07,640
not only on this item

3852
02:43:07,640 --> 02:43:10,640
and an item on consent with

3853
02:43:10,640 --> 02:43:13,640
the school district to have

3854
02:43:13,640 --> 02:43:16,640
the sale of the site,

3855
02:43:16,640 --> 02:43:19,400
for shamrock hills elementary,

3856
02:43:19,640 --> 02:43:21,640
as mentioned,

3857
02:43:22,640 --> 02:43:25,640
and had some very favorable things to say about

3858
02:43:25,640 --> 02:43:27,640
the city

3859
02:43:27,640 --> 02:43:28,640
and our cooperation with a past that

3860
02:43:28,640 --> 02:43:31,640
item with their last board meeting. I appreciate

3861
02:43:31,640 --> 02:43:33,640
your cooperation and

3862
02:43:33,640 --> 02:43:34,640
I'm in favor of us funding those three

3863
02:43:34,640 --> 02:43:36,640
crossing guards. There's

3864
02:43:37,640 --> 02:43:40,640
a lot of history behind

3865
02:43:40,640 --> 02:43:42,640
the

3866
02:43:42,640 --> 02:43:43,640
contract that we have with them now and

3867
02:43:43,640 --> 02:43:44,640
the number of crossing guards refund

3868
02:43:44,640 --> 02:43:45,640
and

3869
02:43:45,640 --> 02:43:46,640
the three additional is appropriate.

3870
02:43:46,640 --> 02:43:49,640
I also in an agreement

3871
02:43:49,640 --> 02:43:50,640
that we ought to give head nods to

3872
02:43:50,640 --> 02:43:52,640
start investigating the tot increase,

3873
02:43:52,640 --> 02:43:55,640
I think there is a lead time

3874
02:43:55,640 --> 02:43:57,640
figuring

3875
02:43:57,640 --> 02:43:58,640
out when we put that on the ballot,

3876
02:43:58,640 --> 02:44:00,640
what ballot it makes sense to go

3877
02:44:00,640 --> 02:44:01,640
on, do we wanted on the presidential,

3878
02:44:01,640 --> 02:44:02,640
on the midyear to mark do

3879
02:44:02,640 --> 02:44:04,640
we wanted on a spring ballot, all

3880
02:44:04,640 --> 02:44:05,640
those things are considerations and

3881
02:44:05,640 --> 02:44:07,640
I think we

3882
02:44:07,640 --> 02:44:08,640
need to give staff the direction to

3883
02:44:08,640 --> 02:44:10,640
bring it back to

3884
02:44:10,640 --> 02:44:13,640
us when it makes sense.

3885
02:44:13,640 --> 02:44:14,640
we want to make sure that

3886
02:44:14,640 --> 02:44:16,640
we're doing it in conjunction with

3887
02:44:16,640 --> 02:44:17,640
the other cities, there will be a

3888
02:44:17,640 --> 02:44:18,640
lot

3889
02:44:18,640 --> 02:44:19,640
of tax measures coming up. We know

3890
02:44:19,640 --> 02:44:20,640
that there is the regional transportation

3891
02:44:20,640 --> 02:44:21,640
tax coming

3892
02:44:21,640 --> 02:44:22,640
up, and so we want to make sure that it's

3893
02:44:22,640 --> 02:44:25,400
on a ballot that

3894
02:44:25,640 --> 02:44:27,640
makes sense. Where it has the best

3895
02:44:27,640 --> 02:44:31,640
chance of success and the least chance

3896
02:44:31,640 --> 02:44:32,640
of getting buried and confused with

3897
02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:33,640
other

3898
02:44:33,640 --> 02:44:34,640
things, and I think working with our

3899
02:44:34,640 --> 02:44:37,640
neighboring cities on that, and

3900
02:44:39,640 --> 02:44:41,640
with advice from visit tri valley

3901
02:44:41,640 --> 02:44:44,400
as well is warranted.

3902
02:44:44,640 --> 02:44:45,640
and I agree that we don't

3903
02:44:45,640 --> 02:44:47,640
need to make any of these other cuts

3904
02:44:47,640 --> 02:44:48,640
at this time. I don't think

3905
02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:52,240
they're warranted. But, if we were

3906
02:44:55,640 --> 02:44:56,640
to all of a sudden find ourselves

3907
02:44:56,640 --> 02:44:57,640
in a recession and

3908
02:44:57,640 --> 02:44:58,640
property taxes went down the same

3909
02:44:58,640 --> 02:44:59,640
way sales-tax are going, it's nice

3910
02:44:59,640 --> 02:45:00,640
to know

3911
02:45:00,640 --> 02:45:02,640
that we have options and a plan in

3912
02:45:02,640 --> 02:45:03,640
place for what we would need to

3913
02:45:03,640 --> 02:45:04,640
do should that happen. I'm supportive of

3914
02:45:04,640 --> 02:45:05,640
what's been presented to us. Thank

3915
02:45:05,640 --> 02:45:07,640
you.

3916
02:45:08,640 --> 02:45:09,640
>> additional comments? >>

3917
02:45:09,640 --> 02:45:11,640
I made it pretty clear I'm supportive

3918
02:45:11,640 --> 02:45:12,640
of

3919
02:45:12,640 --> 02:45:15,400
these rather modest recommendations.

3920
02:45:17,640 --> 02:45:21,240
we are nowhere in need of

3921
02:45:21,640 --> 02:45:22,640
any of these cuts, I'm interested

3922
02:45:22,640 --> 02:45:23,640
in understanding in the long-term,

3923
02:45:23,640 --> 02:45:24,640
when

3924
02:45:24,640 --> 02:45:26,640
you'd foot those switches, I think

3925
02:45:26,640 --> 02:45:29,400
that's important to know.

3926
02:45:29,640 --> 02:45:30,640
listing them is

3927
02:45:30,640 --> 02:45:32,640
good and we're sitting there going, what if?

3928
02:45:32,640 --> 02:45:34,640
we should understand

3929
02:45:34,640 --> 02:45:38,640
how you might engage them. But I think

3930
02:45:38,640 --> 02:45:40,640
our financials, our

3931
02:45:41,640 --> 02:45:44,400
reserves are quite strong,

3932
02:45:44,640 --> 02:45:46,640
structural deficits, we can

3933
02:45:46,640 --> 02:45:50,840
work through it. With some of these

3934
02:45:53,640 --> 02:45:55,640
proposed changes. I think you did

3935
02:45:55,640 --> 02:45:59,640
a great job, it was good analysis. I'm good

3936
02:45:59,640 --> 02:46:01,640
with this point.

3937
02:46:03,640 --> 02:46:05,640
>> how about crossing guard? >> I'm

3938
02:46:05,640 --> 02:46:08,400
fine with the recommendations,

3939
02:46:08,640 --> 02:46:09,640
which was their recommendation.

3940
02:46:09,640 --> 02:46:11,640
>> yeah, thanks for putting this together.

3941
02:46:11,640 --> 02:46:13,640
based on our last

3942
02:46:13,640 --> 02:46:14,640
council meeting we were sort of in

3943
02:46:14,640 --> 02:46:15,640
this

3944
02:46:15,640 --> 02:46:19,840
wait and see position, I think identifying

3945
02:46:20,640 --> 02:46:22,640
earmarking these areas of

3946
02:46:22,640 --> 02:46:25,640
changes budget reductions I think

3947
02:46:26,640 --> 02:46:27,640
is a

3948
02:46:27,640 --> 02:46:29,640
good initiative, it's good to have

3949
02:46:29,640 --> 02:46:31,640
that in our back pocket. I don't think

3950
02:46:31,640 --> 02:46:32,640
we need to move on that now, being

3951
02:46:32,640 --> 02:46:34,640
in the surplus

3952
02:46:35,640 --> 02:46:37,640
position that we're in. We

3953
02:46:37,640 --> 02:46:40,640
have a little bit of time, I am cautious and

3954
02:46:40,640 --> 02:46:41,640
so much volatility happening that I

3955
02:46:41,640 --> 02:46:43,640
want to

3956
02:46:43,640 --> 02:46:44,640
keep a very close eye on what's happening

3957
02:46:44,640 --> 02:46:47,400
with the taxes, and

3958
02:46:47,640 --> 02:46:48,640
revenue

3959
02:46:48,640 --> 02:46:50,640
as well as managers and having these

3960
02:46:50,640 --> 02:46:52,640
to protect

3961
02:46:53,640 --> 02:46:55,640
that surplus

3962
02:46:56,640 --> 02:46:59,400
position is really important.

3963
02:46:59,640 --> 02:47:02,640
but, for now I'm supportive of

3964
02:47:02,640 --> 02:47:03,640
where you are, with the

3965
02:47:03,640 --> 02:47:06,400
three additional crossing guards,

3966
02:47:10,640 --> 02:47:11,640
I don't think we need to make any

3967
02:47:11,640 --> 02:47:12,640
of those cost reductions at

3968
02:47:12,640 --> 02:47:13,640
the moment and also supportive of

3969
02:47:13,640 --> 02:47:14,640
the transit occupancy task forward.

3970
02:47:14,640 --> 02:47:16,640
>> perfect.

3971
02:47:17,640 --> 02:47:20,640
are you going to make a motion?

3972
02:47:20,640 --> 02:47:22,640
is this guidance?

3973
02:47:23,640 --> 02:47:25,640
>> I got --

3974
02:47:26,640 --> 02:47:28,640
just

3975
02:47:28,640 --> 02:47:32,640
direction, I believe I have the direction.

3976
02:47:32,640 --> 02:47:34,640
>> thanks, everyone.

3977
02:47:35,640 --> 02:47:36,640
let's move to 7.2,

3978
02:47:36,640 --> 02:47:38,640
five-year capital improvement program.

3979
02:47:38,640 --> 02:47:40,640
general fund project

3980
02:47:41,640 --> 02:47:43,640
2025 to 2026

3981
02:47:44,640 --> 02:47:46,640
.

3982
02:48:08,640 --> 02:48:10,640
>> we've gone through the cip

3983
02:48:10,640 --> 02:48:14,640
and looked at the general fund , funded projects.

3984
02:48:14,640 --> 02:48:16,640
as I stated,

3985
02:48:19,640 --> 02:48:20,640
april 15th, the preliminary cip was

3986
02:48:20,640 --> 02:48:23,400
provided to city council,

3987
02:48:23,640 --> 02:48:25,640
we received feedback based on

3988
02:48:25,640 --> 02:48:29,640
what was presented by finance staff on those

3989
02:48:29,640 --> 02:48:31,640
projections for taxes,

3990
02:48:32,640 --> 02:48:33,640
revenues, and other things. We went

3991
02:48:33,640 --> 02:48:35,640
through and analyzed 39 projects that

3992
02:48:35,640 --> 02:48:38,400
were funded either fully

3993
02:48:38,640 --> 02:48:40,640
or partially by general fund. With

3994
02:48:40,640 --> 02:48:44,640
that, we categorized those into three tiers

3995
02:48:44,640 --> 02:48:47,640
, so the first tier is projects that are

3996
02:48:47,640 --> 02:48:49,640
either funded

3997
02:48:50,640 --> 02:48:52,640
with matching dollars

3998
02:48:53,640 --> 02:48:55,640
, so

3999
02:48:56,640 --> 02:48:59,640
we basically maximizing that is

4000
02:48:59,640 --> 02:49:02,640
the project is almost complete

4001
02:49:02,640 --> 02:49:04,640
through implementation

4002
02:49:05,640 --> 02:49:08,400
that we're let's say

4003
02:49:08,640 --> 02:49:10,640
six months from delivering.

4004
02:49:10,640 --> 02:49:11,640
the second here is no changes recommended at

4005
02:49:11,640 --> 02:49:13,640
this time, however,

4006
02:49:13,640 --> 02:49:17,640
if there is not enough opportunity in

4007
02:49:17,640 --> 02:49:19,640
tier 3, we could

4008
02:49:19,640 --> 02:49:20,640
go back to tier 2 but staff is not

4009
02:49:20,640 --> 02:49:23,400
recommending at this time.

4010
02:49:23,640 --> 02:49:26,640
with that, we'll go through

4011
02:49:26,640 --> 02:49:27,640
the tier 1, as I said, a lot of these

4012
02:49:27,640 --> 02:49:28,640
if

4013
02:49:28,640 --> 02:49:29,640
you notice are currently in construction referred to as

4014
02:49:29,640 --> 02:49:31,640
implementation

4015
02:49:32,640 --> 02:49:35,400
or will soon be.

4016
02:49:35,640 --> 02:49:38,640
or, that there is grant matching dollars

4017
02:49:38,640 --> 02:49:40,640
for this.

4018
02:49:44,640 --> 02:49:45,640
the city received over $5 million

4019
02:49:45,640 --> 02:49:47,640
in a ctc

4020
02:49:47,640 --> 02:49:50,400
across three projects recently.

4021
02:49:50,640 --> 02:49:52,640
looking to maximize

4022
02:49:53,640 --> 02:49:54,640
those dollars, taking our general

4023
02:49:54,640 --> 02:49:55,640
fund and

4024
02:49:55,640 --> 02:49:56,640
stretching it, that's what represented

4025
02:49:56,640 --> 02:49:59,400
with these 17 projects, here.

4026
02:50:02,640 --> 02:50:04,640
going

4027
02:50:04,640 --> 02:50:06,640
to the tier 2 again, no changes recommended at

4028
02:50:06,640 --> 02:50:07,640
this time, however, there is

4029
02:50:07,640 --> 02:50:09,640
potential opportunity if the council

4030
02:50:09,640 --> 02:50:13,240
so chooses, to go back, but,

4031
02:50:13,640 --> 02:50:15,640
we're not seeking any change at this

4032
02:50:15,640 --> 02:50:18,400
time or recommending it.

4033
02:50:20,640 --> 02:50:24,640
and then we have tier 3 which are the potential adjustments,

4034
02:50:24,640 --> 02:50:27,400
we identified six projects,

4035
02:50:27,640 --> 02:50:28,640
one of them was a new project

4036
02:50:28,640 --> 02:50:30,640
to the cip in the preliminary which

4037
02:50:30,640 --> 02:50:33,400
was looking at analyzing

4038
02:50:33,640 --> 02:50:35,640
where shade could be,

4039
02:50:35,640 --> 02:50:39,640
the first project would be at the wave,

4040
02:50:39,640 --> 02:50:42,640
the next would be the

4041
02:50:42,640 --> 02:50:43,640
sports

4042
02:50:43,640 --> 02:50:45,640
park upgrades, so this half a million

4043
02:50:45,640 --> 02:50:48,640
dollars is on top of

4044
02:50:48,640 --> 02:50:51,640
$150,000 of improvements that have already been done

4045
02:50:51,640 --> 02:50:53,640
. The next

4046
02:50:54,640 --> 02:50:57,640
would be basically a shift

4047
02:50:57,640 --> 02:50:59,640
in completion

4048
02:51:00,640 --> 02:51:02,640
the coal park renovation,

4049
02:51:02,640 --> 02:51:07,440
so we look to move that project out,

4050
02:51:09,640 --> 02:51:11,640
to 26-27. One thing to note is

4051
02:51:11,640 --> 02:51:15,640
there is a 5% escalation for that move out,

4052
02:51:15,640 --> 02:51:18,640
so that's you see out there

4053
02:51:18,640 --> 02:51:19,640
on the

4054
02:51:19,640 --> 02:51:21,640
project change that there is roughly about $150,000

4055
02:51:21,640 --> 02:51:22,640
of

4056
02:51:22,640 --> 02:51:27,440
added cost for delaying this improvement. The next

4057
02:51:27,640 --> 02:51:29,640
would be as the sunday

4058
02:51:29,640 --> 02:51:30,640
school barn improvements again, we

4059
02:51:30,640 --> 02:51:32,640
would move that

4060
02:51:32,640 --> 02:51:35,640
to future, and then when that project is brought back,

4061
02:51:35,640 --> 02:51:38,640
we would reanalyze what the market is

4062
02:51:38,640 --> 02:51:39,640
at that time, and if there would need

4063
02:51:39,640 --> 02:51:41,640
to

4064
02:51:41,640 --> 02:51:42,640
be any sort of adjustment , we would

4065
02:51:42,640 --> 02:51:44,640
add

4066
02:51:44,640 --> 02:51:47,640
that at that time for the project. The same thing

4067
02:51:47,640 --> 02:51:51,640
would be for the storm drain, with the exception of

4068
02:51:51,640 --> 02:51:55,240
we would absorb the initial analyzing

4069
02:51:56,640 --> 02:51:58,640
the lines, within the operating budget of public works.

4070
02:51:58,640 --> 02:52:01,640
that $30,000 assessment we would cover

4071
02:52:02,640 --> 02:52:06,640
for the operating side of public works.

4072
02:52:06,640 --> 02:52:07,640
and then

4073
02:52:07,640 --> 02:52:12,640
finally it would be the san ramon landscaping renovation,

4074
02:52:12,640 --> 02:52:14,640
to close the project,

4075
02:52:14,640 --> 02:52:15,640
we didn't do those improvements, a

4076
02:52:15,640 --> 02:52:18,400
lot of it was,

4077
02:52:18,640 --> 02:52:20,640
previously the drought

4078
02:52:20,640 --> 02:52:23,640
, it didn't make sense to go through and

4079
02:52:23,640 --> 02:52:27,240
do the renovation of landscape when

4080
02:52:27,640 --> 02:52:29,640
they said

4081
02:52:29,640 --> 02:52:30,640
we would let you water one day a week

4082
02:52:30,640 --> 02:52:33,400
or whatever. It wasn't

4083
02:52:33,640 --> 02:52:36,640
a good image for the city to be

4084
02:52:36,640 --> 02:52:38,640
revitalizing the landscape

4085
02:52:39,640 --> 02:52:42,400
to brown your lawn.

4086
02:52:42,640 --> 02:52:44,640
so with

4087
02:52:44,640 --> 02:52:48,240
all those changes potentially, roughly $1.4 million

4088
02:52:48,640 --> 02:52:50,640
or deferment.

4089
02:52:51,640 --> 02:52:54,400
so with that is

4090
02:52:54,640 --> 02:52:56,640
happy

4091
02:52:57,640 --> 02:53:00,400
to answer any questions ,

4092
02:53:00,640 --> 02:53:02,640
and to

4093
02:53:02,640 --> 02:53:06,640
be back in two weeks with the updated cip.

4094
02:53:06,640 --> 02:53:08,640
>> go ahead.

4095
02:53:12,640 --> 02:53:13,640
>> thank you for the report, do you

4096
02:53:13,640 --> 02:53:14,640
mind going back

4097
02:53:14,640 --> 02:53:15,640
to the slide that shows the projects

4098
02:53:15,640 --> 02:53:18,640
you mark can you pop back to

4099
02:53:18,640 --> 02:53:19,640
2.2 for a question?

4100
02:53:19,640 --> 02:53:20,640
>> sure.

4101
02:53:20,640 --> 02:53:24,240
>> these projects are already in progress?

4102
02:53:24,640 --> 02:53:27,400
>> they're in various stages.

4103
02:53:29,640 --> 02:53:30,640
some of them may not have started

4104
02:53:30,640 --> 02:53:33,640
or they're slated to start this year.

4105
02:53:33,640 --> 02:53:35,640
like

4106
02:53:36,640 --> 02:53:39,640
the sit cams, those are probably

4107
02:53:39,640 --> 02:53:41,640
,

4108
02:53:41,640 --> 02:53:45,640
what is the chief say, 80% of the way through expenditure?

4109
02:53:45,640 --> 02:53:47,640
okay.

4110
02:53:48,640 --> 02:53:50,640
and then

4111
02:53:50,640 --> 02:53:51,640
the av system upgrade, that is ongoing.

4112
02:53:51,640 --> 02:53:53,640
we're currently revitalizing

4113
02:53:54,640 --> 02:53:56,640
the conference rooms,

4114
02:53:57,640 --> 02:53:59,640
.

4115
02:54:00,640 --> 02:54:01,640
>> I don't want you to go through

4116
02:54:01,640 --> 02:54:03,640
all

4117
02:54:03,640 --> 02:54:04,640
of them. I just wanted to get a feel

4118
02:54:04,640 --> 02:54:06,640
for why they're

4119
02:54:06,640 --> 02:54:09,640
tier 2 in general as opposed to

4120
02:54:09,640 --> 02:54:10,640
what was the distinction between tier

4121
02:54:10,640 --> 02:54:11,640
2

4122
02:54:11,640 --> 02:54:12,640
and tier 3?

4123
02:54:12,640 --> 02:54:15,400
>> these are all projects

4124
02:54:15,640 --> 02:54:18,640
that we really need to do,

4125
02:54:18,640 --> 02:54:21,640
whether it's to keep up the assets that we have,

4126
02:54:21,640 --> 02:54:24,400
or we're going to

4127
02:54:24,640 --> 02:54:27,640
need to make some changes,

4128
02:54:27,640 --> 02:54:29,640
or potentially

4129
02:54:29,640 --> 02:54:33,640
it may cost more if we don't do this.

4130
02:54:33,640 --> 02:54:34,640
on an added

4131
02:54:34,640 --> 02:54:35,640
maintenance cost.

4132
02:54:35,640 --> 02:54:36,640
>> would you pop

4133
02:54:36,640 --> 02:54:39,640
down to tier 3, now? Thank you.

4134
02:54:39,640 --> 02:54:42,640
on the coal park renovation,

4135
02:54:42,640 --> 02:54:43,640
we do feel we're going to need to

4136
02:54:43,640 --> 02:54:45,640
do that,

4137
02:54:45,640 --> 02:54:48,640
in the future. And it would cost more to defer it.

4138
02:54:48,640 --> 02:54:51,400
at least somewhat more,

4139
02:54:51,640 --> 02:54:54,400
but you didn't feel

4140
02:54:54,640 --> 02:54:57,640
it was tier 2, yet some of the tier

4141
02:54:57,640 --> 02:55:00,640
2 we know it would cost more to do for them. So,

4142
02:55:00,640 --> 02:55:02,640
you see

4143
02:55:02,640 --> 02:55:03,640
what I'm getting at a little bit.

4144
02:55:03,640 --> 02:55:06,640
>> is a lot of the renovation portions

4145
02:55:06,640 --> 02:55:08,640
that it's tired.

4146
02:55:09,640 --> 02:55:12,640
whereas if we go back

4147
02:55:14,640 --> 02:55:15,640
to the park playground replacement.

4148
02:55:15,640 --> 02:55:18,640
that's getting to the point

4149
02:55:18,640 --> 02:55:20,640
where, it's unsafe, or we need

4150
02:55:20,640 --> 02:55:24,640
to come up to today's standards type of things.

4151
02:55:24,640 --> 02:55:28,240
that's a variation within a park.

4152
02:55:29,640 --> 02:55:30,640
>> I almost hate to ask this question

4153
02:55:30,640 --> 02:55:34,240
and opened this can of worms

4154
02:55:34,640 --> 02:55:36,640
but the marquee signs,

4155
02:55:36,640 --> 02:55:37,640
one of them is when we want to put

4156
02:55:37,640 --> 02:55:39,640
in on the

4157
02:55:40,640 --> 02:55:41,640
east side of town, is

4158
02:55:41,640 --> 02:55:45,840
there any kind of urgency on those?

4159
02:55:46,640 --> 02:55:49,640
it's not on the tier

4160
02:55:49,640 --> 02:55:51,640
3 list. Existing ones,

4161
02:55:52,640 --> 02:55:54,640
they're not unsafe ,

4162
02:55:55,640 --> 02:55:56,640
correct?

4163
02:55:56,640 --> 02:55:57,640
>> that is correct.

4164
02:55:57,640 --> 02:55:58,640
there's two replacements, that is

4165
02:55:58,640 --> 02:56:01,400
for senior and shannon.

4166
02:56:01,640 --> 02:56:04,640
then there's two ads, one for

4167
02:56:04,640 --> 02:56:07,400
here, and one at

4168
02:56:07,640 --> 02:56:08,640
--

4169
02:56:08,640 --> 02:56:10,640
>> two. Okay.

4170
02:56:10,640 --> 02:56:11,640
and we don't feel that that's a candidate

4171
02:56:11,640 --> 02:56:12,640
for deferral why?

4172
02:56:12,640 --> 02:56:14,640
>> the two replacements

4173
02:56:16,640 --> 02:56:19,640
are the reason why it's sitting at tier 2.

4174
02:56:19,640 --> 02:56:21,640
they're

4175
02:56:22,640 --> 02:56:26,240
getting it passed there, useful life.

4176
02:56:27,640 --> 02:56:30,640
>> and if they went dark, what would happen?

4177
02:56:30,640 --> 02:56:34,240
>> that communication to the folks of

4178
02:56:34,640 --> 02:56:37,640
at senior and other things

4179
02:56:39,640 --> 02:56:40,640
that were advertising to the public.

4180
02:56:40,640 --> 02:56:41,640
>>

4181
02:56:41,640 --> 02:56:42,640
thank

4182
02:56:42,640 --> 02:56:46,640
you, let's go back to tier 3. The coal park renovation

4183
02:56:46,640 --> 02:56:50,240
would cost us more to defer

4184
02:56:51,640 --> 02:56:52,640
, but these others we don't think

4185
02:56:52,640 --> 02:56:53,640
would cost

4186
02:56:53,640 --> 02:56:55,640
us more if we deferred them eventually?

4187
02:56:55,640 --> 02:56:57,640
or

4188
02:56:58,640 --> 02:56:59,640
if we don't do them at all?

4189
02:56:59,640 --> 02:57:01,640
>>

4190
02:57:01,640 --> 02:57:03,640
that is the potential.

4191
02:57:03,640 --> 02:57:04,640
>> talk to me about the sunday school

4192
02:57:04,640 --> 02:57:05,640
barn a little bit

4193
02:57:05,640 --> 02:57:07,640
more. My recollection is this is because

4194
02:57:07,640 --> 02:57:09,640
the floor

4195
02:57:10,640 --> 02:57:11,640
cannot handle the traffic that it

4196
02:57:11,640 --> 02:57:12,640
has now.

4197
02:57:12,640 --> 02:57:13,640
>> correct. Structurally, the

4198
02:57:13,640 --> 02:57:15,640
underpinning is new

4199
02:57:16,640 --> 02:57:18,640
from

4200
02:57:19,640 --> 02:57:20,640
when the barn was relocated.

4201
02:57:20,640 --> 02:57:22,640
it's just that the wearing service

4202
02:57:22,640 --> 02:57:24,640
that is that historic, so

4203
02:57:24,640 --> 02:57:28,640
that's the part that we need to upgrade.

4204
02:57:28,640 --> 02:57:30,640
or preserve in

4205
02:57:30,640 --> 02:57:31,640
some way.

4206
02:57:31,640 --> 02:57:33,640
>> so if we chose not to do that,

4207
02:57:33,640 --> 02:57:34,640
>> we may have to put limitations

4208
02:57:34,640 --> 02:57:35,640
on what can we put

4209
02:57:35,640 --> 02:57:37,640
on that floor so that we don't have

4210
02:57:37,640 --> 02:57:40,400
a high point load

4211
02:57:40,640 --> 02:57:41,640
to

4212
02:57:41,640 --> 02:57:42,640
cause a potential hole in the floor.

4213
02:57:42,640 --> 02:57:43,640
>>

4214
02:57:43,640 --> 02:57:45,640
we would be able to as

4215
02:57:45,640 --> 02:57:49,640
often as we do or as many people as we do,

4216
02:57:49,640 --> 02:57:52,400
>> some particular rentals may

4217
02:57:52,640 --> 02:57:53,640
be limited.

4218
02:57:53,640 --> 02:57:55,640
>> there would be

4219
02:57:55,640 --> 02:57:58,640
a cost to the community

4220
02:57:58,640 --> 02:58:01,640
for us deferring that. And then on

4221
02:58:01,640 --> 02:58:04,640
to go back to that one a little bit,

4222
02:58:04,640 --> 02:58:07,640
that's a pretty big number.

4223
02:58:07,640 --> 02:58:08,640
would there be

4224
02:58:08,640 --> 02:58:10,640
a possibility of picking and choosing

4225
02:58:10,640 --> 02:58:13,640
parts of that cip to defer? Not all

4226
02:58:13,640 --> 02:58:14,640
of it?

4227
02:58:14,640 --> 02:58:16,640
>> yes. We can go back

4228
02:58:16,640 --> 02:58:19,400
and reanalyze what is

4229
02:58:19,640 --> 02:58:21,640
the best use

4230
02:58:22,640 --> 02:58:24,640
of funds at this point.

4231
02:58:24,640 --> 02:58:25,640
the restroom is one of the items we

4232
02:58:25,640 --> 02:58:28,400
know the play structures,

4233
02:58:28,640 --> 02:58:31,640
one of those can we go through

4234
02:58:31,640 --> 02:58:32,640
and analyze or determine , can we save

4235
02:58:32,640 --> 02:58:33,640
a

4236
02:58:33,640 --> 02:58:36,400
certain percentage of landscaping?

4237
02:58:37,640 --> 02:58:39,640
part of it is, what are you

4238
02:58:39,640 --> 02:58:40,640
doing? Am I tearing it out to do those

4239
02:58:40,640 --> 02:58:42,640
other improvements you mark you may

4240
02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:43,640
pay for it no matter what.

4241
02:58:43,640 --> 02:58:45,640
>> okay.

4242
02:58:46,640 --> 02:58:49,640
and the san ramon landscape

4243
02:58:49,640 --> 02:58:52,640
renovation, that number is not hard

4244
02:58:52,640 --> 02:58:54,640
and fast anyway, correct?

4245
02:58:54,640 --> 02:58:58,640
the 239 is a bit of a guess? Yes?

4246
02:58:58,640 --> 02:59:01,640
>> that is a number from

4247
02:59:01,640 --> 02:59:03,640
eight, 10 years ago.

4248
02:59:04,640 --> 02:59:05,640
>> if we did that project that number

4249
02:59:05,640 --> 02:59:06,640
would go

4250
02:59:06,640 --> 02:59:07,640
up significantly, right?

4251
02:59:07,640 --> 02:59:09,640
>> most likely.

4252
02:59:09,640 --> 02:59:10,640
>> if we defer it, meaning we say

4253
02:59:10,640 --> 02:59:12,640
we're going to

4254
02:59:12,640 --> 02:59:13,640
a limit that project, what would be our

4255
02:59:13,640 --> 02:59:16,640
plan ever for the landscaping?

4256
02:59:16,640 --> 02:59:19,640
it is looking pretty tired and dated.

4257
02:59:19,640 --> 02:59:20,640
>> we can look to potentially

4258
02:59:20,640 --> 02:59:22,640
do improvements through maintenance

4259
02:59:22,640 --> 02:59:24,640
over

4260
02:59:25,640 --> 02:59:28,640
a long period of time. Changing out certain plans,

4261
02:59:28,640 --> 02:59:31,640
like five to 10% per year,

4262
02:59:31,640 --> 02:59:33,640
and just

4263
02:59:33,640 --> 02:59:36,640
absorb it with maintenance as an option.

4264
02:59:36,640 --> 02:59:37,640
the other is we could potentially

4265
02:59:37,640 --> 02:59:40,400
look to change this

4266
02:59:43,640 --> 02:59:45,640
to a baby friendly and there may

4267
02:59:45,640 --> 02:59:46,640
be other grant opportunities. Just

4268
02:59:46,640 --> 02:59:48,640
looking at what

4269
02:59:49,640 --> 02:59:50,640
the pallet is, and how we irrigate

4270
02:59:50,640 --> 02:59:52,640
it, there

4271
02:59:52,640 --> 02:59:54,640
may be other opportunities

4272
02:59:54,640 --> 02:59:55,640
to get matching dollars for it, to

4273
02:59:55,640 --> 02:59:56,640
help offset that.

4274
02:59:56,640 --> 02:59:58,640
>> okay.

4275
03:00:01,640 --> 03:00:02,640
that's the extent of my questions

4276
03:00:02,640 --> 03:00:03,640
for now.

4277
03:00:03,640 --> 03:00:04,640
I will have more to say when we get

4278
03:00:04,640 --> 03:00:06,640
to deliberation.

4279
03:00:07,640 --> 03:00:09,640
>> questions? >> yeah. Tier 3,

4280
03:00:09,640 --> 03:00:13,640
got that right there. A couple of things.

4281
03:00:13,640 --> 03:00:15,640
on the

4282
03:00:16,640 --> 03:00:19,400
sports park, for example,

4283
03:00:19,640 --> 03:00:20,640
I was looking at that number, I'm going

4284
03:00:20,640 --> 03:00:22,640
to

4285
03:00:22,640 --> 03:00:24,640
back up a step. We've been using the

4286
03:00:24,640 --> 03:00:28,840
word defer or eliminate, it's either one.

4287
03:00:31,640 --> 03:00:33,640
with reduced,

4288
03:00:34,640 --> 03:00:37,640
eliminate, or defer. What are we

4289
03:00:37,640 --> 03:00:40,640
trying to do here? We have options,

4290
03:00:40,640 --> 03:00:41,640
right?

4291
03:00:41,640 --> 03:00:42,640
>> that's correct.

4292
03:00:42,640 --> 03:00:43,640
eliminate is the san ramon landscape that

4293
03:00:43,640 --> 03:00:45,640
would be off

4294
03:00:46,640 --> 03:00:49,640
the books. The differing is where

4295
03:00:49,640 --> 03:00:52,640
we're going to push that out.

4296
03:00:52,640 --> 03:00:56,240
let's say the shade structure, that

4297
03:00:56,640 --> 03:00:57,640
was a new project that

4298
03:00:57,640 --> 03:00:59,640
came to council, that has not been

4299
03:00:59,640 --> 03:01:01,640
added to the book.

4300
03:01:01,640 --> 03:01:02,640
that was an ask. So, we could look

4301
03:01:02,640 --> 03:01:04,640
to put

4302
03:01:05,640 --> 03:01:08,640
it in as a future project or

4303
03:01:08,640 --> 03:01:10,640
just as an option ,

4304
03:01:10,640 --> 03:01:14,240
we know there's other priorities is

4305
03:01:14,640 --> 03:01:16,640
not worth putting in.

4306
03:01:16,640 --> 03:01:17,640
we could go as future year, it could

4307
03:01:17,640 --> 03:01:18,640
go out into

4308
03:01:18,640 --> 03:01:20,640
the fifth year. As a planning tool,

4309
03:01:20,640 --> 03:01:22,640
and we can refine that number

4310
03:01:22,640 --> 03:01:26,640
as we bring it to council for action.

4311
03:01:26,640 --> 03:01:28,640
>> okay.

4312
03:01:29,640 --> 03:01:32,640
I will speak in terms of

4313
03:01:32,640 --> 03:01:34,640
reduction first.

4314
03:01:35,640 --> 03:01:38,400
have we done analysis

4315
03:01:38,640 --> 03:01:41,640
on these shade structures in terms of

4316
03:01:41,640 --> 03:01:43,640
other options ?

4317
03:01:46,640 --> 03:01:47,640
it sounds like a pretty high number.

4318
03:01:47,640 --> 03:01:49,640
you can say yes, no,

4319
03:01:49,640 --> 03:01:50,640
whatever. Do we have other options

4320
03:01:50,640 --> 03:01:52,640
that

4321
03:01:52,640 --> 03:01:53,640
might reduce that amount?

4322
03:01:53,640 --> 03:01:54,640
>> that was

4323
03:01:54,640 --> 03:01:56,640
the initial

4324
03:01:56,640 --> 03:01:59,640
seed money to go through , the survey

4325
03:01:59,640 --> 03:02:02,640
of where do we need

4326
03:02:02,640 --> 03:02:04,640
shade, how much shade,

4327
03:02:04,640 --> 03:02:07,640
what is the cost of each of these improvements

4328
03:02:07,640 --> 03:02:10,640
at the various locations. That's not even the cost

4329
03:02:10,640 --> 03:02:11,640
to construct the shade.

4330
03:02:11,640 --> 03:02:13,640
>> okay. Oh.

4331
03:02:14,640 --> 03:02:15,640
that's just a planning number.

4332
03:02:15,640 --> 03:02:17,640
>> correct.

4333
03:02:18,640 --> 03:02:22,640
>> so there's some leeway there, I'm sure.

4334
03:02:22,640 --> 03:02:26,240
fallon sports park, have 1 million bucks.

4335
03:02:28,640 --> 03:02:29,640
I think one of the critical things, we all

4336
03:02:29,640 --> 03:02:30,640
know a little

4337
03:02:30,640 --> 03:02:32,640
bit about what the needs are, there

4338
03:02:32,640 --> 03:02:35,400
are higher priority needs

4339
03:02:35,640 --> 03:02:37,640
for that, and others,

4340
03:02:37,640 --> 03:02:41,640
and it seems like a large number. I'm just wondering,

4341
03:02:41,640 --> 03:02:43,640
we're addressing

4342
03:02:44,640 --> 03:02:47,400
the immediate priority needs

4343
03:02:47,640 --> 03:02:48,640
, I know one of

4344
03:02:48,640 --> 03:02:49,640
those needs, we're starting to do, we

4345
03:02:49,640 --> 03:02:50,640
got the flag, that's beautiful out

4346
03:02:50,640 --> 03:02:52,640
there.

4347
03:02:52,640 --> 03:02:53,640
one of the asks was for the mesh netting around

4348
03:02:53,640 --> 03:02:55,640
, I

4349
03:02:55,640 --> 03:02:56,640
called it netting but around , and that's

4350
03:02:56,640 --> 03:02:58,640
included in

4351
03:03:04,640 --> 03:03:05,640
the money that we already have in

4352
03:03:05,640 --> 03:03:07,640
there now, or is that

4353
03:03:07,640 --> 03:03:10,640
in the 500 gram? That's in the 150. Okay.

4354
03:03:10,640 --> 03:03:14,640
so, there's some potential here, I would think,

4355
03:03:14,640 --> 03:03:17,400
to reduce that number.

4356
03:03:17,640 --> 03:03:19,640
I don't

4357
03:03:19,640 --> 03:03:20,640
know about deferring, I'm just thinking

4358
03:03:20,640 --> 03:03:22,640
about

4359
03:03:23,640 --> 03:03:25,640
>> the big thing

4360
03:03:29,640 --> 03:03:32,400
seeding upgrades, and trying

4361
03:03:32,640 --> 03:03:35,640
to build enough room to do

4362
03:03:35,640 --> 03:03:37,640
true stadium seating.

4363
03:03:37,640 --> 03:03:40,640
because, you know the ultimate vision is

4364
03:03:40,640 --> 03:03:43,640
this facility attracts higher-level usage.

4365
03:03:44,640 --> 03:03:47,640
it's a different facility than our

4366
03:03:47,640 --> 03:03:49,640
other baseball fields.

4367
03:03:50,640 --> 03:03:53,400
so, the question is,

4368
03:03:53,640 --> 03:03:55,640
what level

4369
03:03:56,640 --> 03:03:57,640
of seeding is acceptable?

4370
03:03:57,640 --> 03:03:59,640
so certainly there's movement there,

4371
03:03:59,640 --> 03:04:02,400
that was the bulk

4372
03:04:02,640 --> 03:04:08,640
of it. I believe a scoreboard is in that number,

4373
03:04:08,640 --> 03:04:10,640
and,

4374
03:04:11,640 --> 03:04:14,640
off the top of my head I can't remember

4375
03:04:14,640 --> 03:04:15,640
what else was in.

4376
03:04:15,640 --> 03:04:18,640
>> topsfield padding and the wi-fi.

4377
03:04:20,640 --> 03:04:21,640
ea.

4378
03:04:21,640 --> 03:04:23,640
>> those are smaller things,

4379
03:04:23,640 --> 03:04:25,640
when we put

4380
03:04:25,640 --> 03:04:26,640
this number in together it was about

4381
03:04:26,640 --> 03:04:29,400
seeding. There's different levels.

4382
03:04:29,640 --> 03:04:32,640
>> I'll modify that to defer.

4383
03:04:32,640 --> 03:04:35,400
>> I know like now,

4384
03:04:38,640 --> 03:04:40,640
I know we have public comments

4385
03:04:40,640 --> 03:04:44,640
on these. Can we bring the public comments,

4386
03:04:44,640 --> 03:04:45,640
>> I wanted to continue

4387
03:04:45,640 --> 03:04:47,640
with this. I don't think I'm making

4388
03:04:47,640 --> 03:04:49,640
, I'm getting clarification

4389
03:04:50,640 --> 03:04:52,640
on some of these things, here.

4390
03:04:52,640 --> 03:04:53,640
I'm not setting the number, if you

4391
03:04:53,640 --> 03:04:55,640
permit me to

4392
03:04:56,640 --> 03:04:58,640
continue I'd appreciate that.

4393
03:04:58,640 --> 03:04:59,640
on the cold park, the renovation getting

4394
03:04:59,640 --> 03:05:02,640
back to that, when you said

4395
03:05:02,640 --> 03:05:04,640
an escalation

4396
03:05:05,640 --> 03:05:06,640
, is that, how does that trigger?

4397
03:05:06,640 --> 03:05:08,640
>> that's

4398
03:05:08,640 --> 03:05:10,640
for construction. Yes.

4399
03:05:11,640 --> 03:05:13,640
okay.

4400
03:05:13,640 --> 03:05:17,240
there's the potential to split apart

4401
03:05:20,640 --> 03:05:21,640
as councilmember josey mentioned,

4402
03:05:21,640 --> 03:05:23,640
we can

4403
03:05:23,640 --> 03:05:25,640
look at that, too. And

4404
03:05:25,640 --> 03:05:28,640
the other ones, I think she's addressed

4405
03:05:28,640 --> 03:05:33,440
in terms of what they mean in timing.

4406
03:05:33,640 --> 03:05:34,640
but, I'd like an opportunity to

4407
03:05:34,640 --> 03:05:36,640
go through this a little bit more, and

4408
03:05:36,640 --> 03:05:38,640
identify

4409
03:05:39,640 --> 03:05:42,400
either cuts or deferrals.

4410
03:05:42,640 --> 03:05:43,640
that's the extent of

4411
03:05:43,640 --> 03:05:45,640
my clarification questions, thank you.

4412
03:05:45,640 --> 03:05:47,640
>>

4413
03:05:48,640 --> 03:05:51,640
thank you for the presentation.

4414
03:05:51,640 --> 03:05:54,400
I've got three questions

4415
03:05:54,640 --> 03:05:57,400
, all pertaining to tier 2.

4416
03:05:57,640 --> 03:05:58,640
the first one is trying to

4417
03:05:58,640 --> 03:06:00,640
get a little more clarity on condition assessment

4418
03:06:00,640 --> 03:06:03,400
of the water features.

4419
03:06:03,640 --> 03:06:05,640
>> so,

4420
03:06:06,640 --> 03:06:07,640
that is, at

4421
03:06:07,640 --> 03:06:09,640
civic, the fountain by the flagpoles,

4422
03:06:09,640 --> 03:06:10,640
and we

4423
03:06:10,640 --> 03:06:11,640
have the globe in the center of the

4424
03:06:11,640 --> 03:06:14,640
courtyard. Those are all original

4425
03:06:15,640 --> 03:06:17,640
from

4426
03:06:18,640 --> 03:06:21,640
1989 when we open this facility,

4427
03:06:21,640 --> 03:06:22,640
we

4428
03:06:22,640 --> 03:06:24,640
needed to go through, assess the condition,

4429
03:06:24,640 --> 03:06:26,640
see what improvements need to

4430
03:06:26,640 --> 03:06:27,640
be done.

4431
03:06:27,640 --> 03:06:30,640
>> so, the 50 k placeholder is just evaluation.

4432
03:06:30,640 --> 03:06:32,640
okay.

4433
03:06:33,640 --> 03:06:36,640
second one is the downtown

4434
03:06:36,640 --> 03:06:38,640
dublin townsquare park.

4435
03:06:39,640 --> 03:06:41,640
and I can't

4436
03:06:42,640 --> 03:06:44,640
find the number in front of me, but,

4437
03:06:44,640 --> 03:06:48,640
could you add a little clarity , just

4438
03:06:48,640 --> 03:06:49,640
over 100 k?

4439
03:06:49,640 --> 03:06:50,640
>>

4440
03:06:50,640 --> 03:06:51,640
that's kind of seed money for the city to

4441
03:06:51,640 --> 03:06:53,640
work with the developers,

4442
03:06:53,640 --> 03:06:57,640
as part of downtown. There's the vision

4443
03:06:57,640 --> 03:06:59,640
of that townsquare

4444
03:07:00,640 --> 03:07:03,400
your central focus point,

4445
03:07:03,640 --> 03:07:06,640
when you come in. So, that's for all

4446
03:07:06,640 --> 03:07:09,640
of us to provide initial preliminary design,

4447
03:07:09,640 --> 03:07:12,400
work with the applicant

4448
03:07:12,640 --> 03:07:13,640
to

4449
03:07:13,640 --> 03:07:17,840
come up with a design for implementation.

4450
03:07:18,640 --> 03:07:19,640
>> got

4451
03:07:19,640 --> 03:07:24,440
it, okay. And then the third one was

4452
03:07:24,640 --> 03:07:26,640
the restroom replacement.

4453
03:07:30,640 --> 03:07:31,640
the

4454
03:07:31,640 --> 03:07:33,640
million dollars, there, could you

4455
03:07:33,640 --> 03:07:36,400
walk me through that?

4456
03:07:36,640 --> 03:07:37,640
>> that is to replace two restrooms,

4457
03:07:37,640 --> 03:07:39,640
that's a wholesale replacement. One is

4458
03:07:39,640 --> 03:07:42,640
at alamo, the other is

4459
03:07:42,640 --> 03:07:44,640
.

4460
03:07:54,640 --> 03:07:56,640
and, mabel.

4461
03:07:57,640 --> 03:07:59,640
>> sorry?

4462
03:08:00,640 --> 03:08:02,640
got it. Okay.

4463
03:08:03,640 --> 03:08:05,640
yeah,

4464
03:08:07,640 --> 03:08:09,640
I think those are all my questions

4465
03:08:09,640 --> 03:08:10,640
for now, thank you.

4466
03:08:10,640 --> 03:08:12,640
>> thank you,

4467
03:08:12,640 --> 03:08:13,640
thank

4468
03:08:13,640 --> 03:08:15,640
you for this comprehensive list, and also

4469
03:08:15,640 --> 03:08:17,640
for the

4470
03:08:18,640 --> 03:08:21,400
different tiers on that.

4471
03:08:21,640 --> 03:08:24,640
what are the products and how

4472
03:08:24,640 --> 03:08:25,640
you think about the importance, or

4473
03:08:25,640 --> 03:08:27,640
what's

4474
03:08:27,640 --> 03:08:33,640
the impact of those things? I look at the spreadsheet,

4475
03:08:35,640 --> 03:08:36,640
the attachment, I think the last attachment,

4476
03:08:36,640 --> 03:08:39,400
so my question is,

4477
03:08:39,640 --> 03:08:42,640
for the different years, general

4478
03:08:42,640 --> 03:08:45,640
fund only cost, 25-26, is total

4479
03:08:45,640 --> 03:08:47,640
$16 million.

4480
03:08:47,640 --> 03:08:51,640
you know what I'm talking about? This

4481
03:08:51,640 --> 03:08:52,640
attachment one. Okay.

4482
03:08:52,640 --> 03:08:54,640
>>

4483
03:08:54,640 --> 03:08:57,400
basically be asked for

4484
03:08:57,640 --> 03:09:00,400
funding, whether it was

4485
03:09:00,640 --> 03:09:01,640
planned previously in the cip

4486
03:09:01,640 --> 03:09:03,640
and forward one year, or adjustments

4487
03:09:03,640 --> 03:09:05,640
, so

4488
03:09:05,640 --> 03:09:09,640
those are all of the general fund funding

4489
03:09:09,640 --> 03:09:12,400
for these particular projects.

4490
03:09:12,640 --> 03:09:16,840
>> so, my question is, for this year,

4491
03:09:18,640 --> 03:09:19,640
60 million, next year 2 million, a year

4492
03:09:19,640 --> 03:09:21,640
after

4493
03:09:21,640 --> 03:09:23,640
is 1.8 million. So, seems like

4494
03:09:23,640 --> 03:09:27,240
the number reduced dramatically over years.

4495
03:09:27,640 --> 03:09:30,640
will this be the case, or next year

4496
03:09:30,640 --> 03:09:32,640
when it's next

4497
03:09:32,640 --> 03:09:36,640
year, we'll see a big number again?

4498
03:09:36,640 --> 03:09:39,640
to send money there again.

4499
03:09:39,640 --> 03:09:41,640
>>

4500
03:09:41,640 --> 03:09:42,640
potentially, as we do the cip every two years,

4501
03:09:42,640 --> 03:09:44,640
this

4502
03:09:44,640 --> 03:09:45,640
is the update year, next year will

4503
03:09:45,640 --> 03:09:48,400
be basically be open

4504
03:09:48,640 --> 03:09:49,640
the project and do a call for

4505
03:09:49,640 --> 03:09:51,640
projects, that's when we potentially

4506
03:09:51,640 --> 03:09:54,400
can bring to you

4507
03:09:54,640 --> 03:09:57,400
other items for consideration.

4508
03:09:57,640 --> 03:10:03,400
that's how you can get more dollars next year.

4509
03:10:06,640 --> 03:10:08,640
so that's

4510
03:10:08,640 --> 03:10:12,640
my questions, so we're open for public comment.

4511
03:10:12,640 --> 03:10:13,640
>> mayor, I have two speakers notes

4512
03:10:13,640 --> 03:10:15,640
on this item. The

4513
03:10:15,640 --> 03:10:18,640
first one is tracy barnett.

4514
03:10:27,640 --> 03:10:30,400
>> council numbers and staff,

4515
03:10:30,640 --> 03:10:34,840
ceo of visit tri-valley, your destination agency

4516
03:10:35,640 --> 03:10:36,640
for the city of dublin, pleasanton,

4517
03:10:36,640 --> 03:10:39,640
livermore, and the town of danville.

4518
03:10:39,640 --> 03:10:40,640
I'd like to begin my comments this

4519
03:10:40,640 --> 03:10:41,640
evening

4520
03:10:41,640 --> 03:10:47,400
with a little story. So visualize, if you will.

4521
03:10:47,640 --> 03:10:49,640
in the not-too-distant future there

4522
03:10:49,640 --> 03:10:50,640
is a family of four

4523
03:10:50,640 --> 03:10:52,640
coming to dublin's new multi use event

4524
03:10:52,640 --> 03:10:53,640
center. On a friday night

4525
03:10:53,640 --> 03:10:57,840
for their daughter leo's regional volleyball tournament.

4526
03:10:58,640 --> 03:10:59,640
they

4527
03:10:59,640 --> 03:11:00,640
check in at the hyatt place, nice

4528
03:11:00,640 --> 03:11:01,640
and close by, they grab some dinner

4529
03:11:01,640 --> 03:11:02,640
at

4530
03:11:02,640 --> 03:11:03,640
the lazy dog and they get ready for the

4531
03:11:03,640 --> 03:11:05,640
early-morning match. They scope out

4532
03:11:05,640 --> 03:11:07,640
the regal theater for the new minecraft

4533
03:11:07,640 --> 03:11:10,400
movie, just in case.

4534
03:11:10,640 --> 03:11:11,640
saturday morning,

4535
03:11:11,640 --> 03:11:12,640
mom, dad, brother jason are watching

4536
03:11:12,640 --> 03:11:15,640
the match at 9:00 a.m. And the team

4537
03:11:15,640 --> 03:11:17,640
advances to the next round. So they

4538
03:11:17,640 --> 03:11:19,640
are to return at 4:00 p.m. For game

4539
03:11:19,640 --> 03:11:22,640
number two. And they've had some time to

4540
03:11:22,640 --> 03:11:24,640
check out the area.

4541
03:11:24,640 --> 03:11:25,640
so first they find the fabulous restaurant for

4542
03:11:25,640 --> 03:11:27,640
lunch,

4543
03:11:28,640 --> 03:11:29,640
it's a family favorite.

4544
03:11:29,640 --> 03:11:31,640
then they take jason, a special needs child

4545
03:11:31,640 --> 03:11:32,640
to work out some energy

4546
03:11:32,640 --> 03:11:34,640
of the imagine playground. After a

4547
03:11:34,640 --> 03:11:35,640
quick refresh back at the

4548
03:11:35,640 --> 03:11:37,640
hotel they popped into vitality balls,

4549
03:11:37,640 --> 03:11:39,640
for drinks and snacks. Game

4550
03:11:39,640 --> 03:11:43,640
two is a tight match. Her last game

4551
03:11:43,640 --> 03:11:46,640
is at now until sunday.

4552
03:11:46,640 --> 03:11:47,640
mom is a

4553
03:11:47,640 --> 03:11:49,640
foodie, she takes the family down

4554
03:11:49,640 --> 03:11:52,640
to a highly rated trays,

4555
03:11:52,640 --> 03:11:55,640
she discovered online, and yes,

4556
03:11:57,640 --> 03:11:58,640
they catch a movie at the regal hacienda

4557
03:11:58,640 --> 03:12:00,640
crossing and the

4558
03:12:00,640 --> 03:12:03,640
whole family is happy and back to bed they go.

4559
03:12:03,640 --> 03:12:04,640
day three, sorry to say, me his team

4560
03:12:04,640 --> 03:12:05,640
is beaten

4561
03:12:05,640 --> 03:12:07,640
by past regional champions. Not to

4562
03:12:07,640 --> 03:12:10,640
worry, everyone sticks around to

4563
03:12:10,640 --> 03:12:11,640
the very end for the awards. Dad

4564
03:12:11,640 --> 03:12:13,640
takes son jason to the dublin heritage

4565
03:12:13,640 --> 03:12:16,640
park because he's a history buff.

4566
03:12:16,640 --> 03:12:18,640
meanwhile, mom and mia shot the

4567
03:12:18,640 --> 03:12:19,640
rack at persimmon place. They returned

4568
03:12:19,640 --> 03:12:20,640
to the center

4569
03:12:20,640 --> 03:12:22,640
for the celebration, and they drive home.

4570
03:12:22,640 --> 03:12:25,400
that is one family

4571
03:12:25,640 --> 03:12:27,640
,

4572
03:12:28,640 --> 03:12:29,640
staying, dining,

4573
03:12:29,640 --> 03:12:31,640
drinking, bonding, and shopping. That

4574
03:12:31,640 --> 03:12:34,400
was one volleyball player.

4575
03:12:34,640 --> 03:12:35,640
there

4576
03:12:35,640 --> 03:12:37,640
are approximately 15 on a team, there

4577
03:12:37,640 --> 03:12:39,640
are typically 100 teams at a

4578
03:12:39,640 --> 03:12:40,640
regional event like that one and 52 weekends

4579
03:12:40,640 --> 03:12:44,240
that we can book that business.

4580
03:12:45,640 --> 03:12:46,640
they will fill the hotels, the shops,

4581
03:12:46,640 --> 03:12:48,640
restaurants and attractions

4582
03:12:49,640 --> 03:12:50,640
across the entire valley. They will

4583
03:12:50,640 --> 03:12:51,640
add

4584
03:12:51,640 --> 03:12:52,640
to businesses bottom lines, they will

4585
03:12:52,640 --> 03:12:53,640
have to hire more people, they

4586
03:12:53,640 --> 03:12:55,640
will provide more revenues to the

4587
03:12:55,640 --> 03:12:58,640
city, you know how it works. This

4588
03:12:58,640 --> 03:12:59,640
is the sporting events .

4589
03:12:59,640 --> 03:13:01,640
we will attempt to fill that center

4590
03:13:01,640 --> 03:13:03,640
with the many days of

4591
03:13:03,640 --> 03:13:04,640
the year as possible from corporate

4592
03:13:04,640 --> 03:13:05,640
and

4593
03:13:05,640 --> 03:13:09,240
community events, and big-name concerts, too.

4594
03:13:09,640 --> 03:13:10,640
we are making progress, we are working hand-in-hand

4595
03:13:10,640 --> 03:13:13,400
with your staff so

4596
03:13:13,640 --> 03:13:15,640
thank you, colleen, and jeff and jay

4597
03:13:15,640 --> 03:13:19,640
and hazel and felicia. We are making great progress.

4598
03:13:19,640 --> 03:13:22,640
you are our partners and as we continue

4599
03:13:22,640 --> 03:13:23,640
to lead the charge along with our

4600
03:13:23,640 --> 03:13:25,640
consultants

4601
03:13:25,640 --> 03:13:28,640
at a.l.l. Destination advisory,

4602
03:13:28,640 --> 03:13:29,640
the global

4603
03:13:29,640 --> 03:13:31,640
fortune 500 company, we value your

4604
03:13:31,640 --> 03:13:32,640
investment in the multi use event center,

4605
03:13:32,640 --> 03:13:33,640
and see

4606
03:13:33,640 --> 03:13:34,640
it coming to life. Thank you.

4607
03:13:34,640 --> 03:13:35,640
>> thank

4608
03:13:35,640 --> 03:13:37,640
you. We

4609
03:13:37,640 --> 03:13:40,400
look forward for that.

4610
03:13:40,640 --> 03:13:42,640
>> the

4611
03:13:43,640 --> 03:13:46,640
next speaker is guy houston.

4612
03:14:01,640 --> 03:14:02,640
>>

4613
03:14:02,640 --> 03:14:03,640
thank you very much, madam mayor,

4614
03:14:03,640 --> 03:14:04,640
council members, guy houston, tonight

4615
03:14:04,640 --> 03:14:06,640
representing the double leprechauns, one

4616
03:14:06,640 --> 03:14:07,640
of your attendance at the sports field.

4617
03:14:07,640 --> 03:14:10,400
I wanted to put

4618
03:14:10,640 --> 03:14:12,640
maybe a little bit of

4619
03:14:12,640 --> 03:14:13,640
some meat on the bones as far as the

4620
03:14:13,640 --> 03:14:16,400
cost of the different

4621
03:14:16,640 --> 03:14:20,240
items that you're considering this evening.

4622
03:14:22,640 --> 03:14:24,640
the $500,000

4623
03:14:24,640 --> 03:14:25,640
, that was a placeholder, not from me,

4624
03:14:25,640 --> 03:14:27,640
a

4625
03:14:28,640 --> 03:14:31,400
placeholder put in there.

4626
03:14:31,640 --> 03:14:33,640
we have what I'm passing out to you,

4627
03:14:33,640 --> 03:14:36,640
the two major projects to be done, would be

4628
03:14:36,640 --> 03:14:37,640
seating out there at the field, the

4629
03:14:37,640 --> 03:14:40,400
second is a scoreboard,

4630
03:14:43,640 --> 03:14:46,400
is a storage container

4631
03:14:46,640 --> 03:14:49,640
out there, which would be

4632
03:14:52,640 --> 03:14:53,640
, one there now which is utilized

4633
03:14:53,640 --> 03:14:54,640
by

4634
03:14:54,640 --> 03:14:55,640
emerald high, the leprechauns and little

4635
03:14:55,640 --> 03:14:56,640
league and if we had another one out

4636
03:14:56,640 --> 03:14:57,640
there that

4637
03:14:57,640 --> 03:14:58,640
would make everybody's life a lot

4638
03:14:58,640 --> 03:15:01,640
easier. The $500,000, you talked about reductions, so,

4639
03:15:01,640 --> 03:15:03,640
I have

4640
03:15:04,640 --> 03:15:06,640
, my vision is that there would

4641
03:15:06,640 --> 03:15:09,640
be stands out there, much like a lot of

4642
03:15:09,640 --> 03:15:10,640
your high schools, dublin high baseball

4643
03:15:10,640 --> 03:15:13,640
has stands and bleachers at

4644
03:15:13,640 --> 03:15:16,640
their field. You could have there's

4645
03:15:16,640 --> 03:15:19,640
lots of choices as you can see,

4646
03:15:19,640 --> 03:15:22,640
but the one I saw was 155 seats times two,

4647
03:15:22,640 --> 03:15:24,640
is $60,000 right there.

4648
03:15:25,640 --> 03:15:27,640
the

4649
03:15:28,640 --> 03:15:30,640
second item is the scoreboard,

4650
03:15:30,640 --> 03:15:31,640
you can make it from very very low

4651
03:15:31,640 --> 03:15:33,640
two lots

4652
03:15:33,640 --> 03:15:37,640
and lots, but the one that I have shown you

4653
03:15:37,640 --> 03:15:39,640
which would be a huge upgrade and

4654
03:15:39,640 --> 03:15:40,640
possibly the best one in the pecos

4655
03:15:40,640 --> 03:15:42,640
leak is $41,000 board.

4656
03:15:43,640 --> 03:15:46,400
so, we add those

4657
03:15:46,640 --> 03:15:48,640
two together is $100,000.

4658
03:15:50,640 --> 03:15:51,640
the

4659
03:15:51,640 --> 03:15:52,640
shipping container is $15,000 would you put

4660
03:15:52,640 --> 03:15:54,640
the cement pad in and then get the container,

4661
03:15:54,640 --> 03:15:55,640
the container is almost a freebie. They

4662
03:15:55,640 --> 03:15:57,640
give those things away. The pad, to put

4663
03:15:57,640 --> 03:16:01,640
the container on, would cost some money. 15,000.

4664
03:16:01,640 --> 03:16:05,640
right now, what our needs are, or what

4665
03:16:05,640 --> 03:16:07,640
we can make this

4666
03:16:07,640 --> 03:16:10,640
really a first-class park, is $115,000

4667
03:16:11,640 --> 03:16:13,640
. Their soft cost

4668
03:16:14,640 --> 03:16:18,840
cost more, as we know, and so,

4669
03:16:20,640 --> 03:16:21,640
if you look at

4670
03:16:21,640 --> 03:16:23,640
the 50% margin, 30% margin, you do the math.

4671
03:16:23,640 --> 03:16:24,640
these are

4672
03:16:24,640 --> 03:16:25,640
certainly things that are not set

4673
03:16:25,640 --> 03:16:27,640
in stone, obviously. You're talking

4674
03:16:27,640 --> 03:16:31,840
about way under half of what that

4675
03:16:32,640 --> 03:16:34,640
$500,000 was.

4676
03:16:35,640 --> 03:16:36,640
the 145 or $150,000

4677
03:16:36,640 --> 03:16:40,640
that you allocated already, we have the best

4678
03:16:40,640 --> 03:16:44,640
like pole and flag in the tri-valley right now.

4679
03:16:44,640 --> 03:16:45,640
so it's something to be

4680
03:16:45,640 --> 03:16:47,640
proud of, not just by our baseball

4681
03:16:47,640 --> 03:16:50,640
team. You have a great sound system,

4682
03:16:50,640 --> 03:16:51,640
and

4683
03:16:51,640 --> 03:16:53,640
kudos to staff for getting that done

4684
03:16:53,640 --> 03:16:56,400
and put together, fantastic.

4685
03:16:56,640 --> 03:16:57,640
the green mesh has

4686
03:16:57,640 --> 03:17:00,640
not appeared yet. That is within that

4687
03:17:00,640 --> 03:17:03,640
hundred 50,000, haven't gotten there yet.

4688
03:17:05,640 --> 03:17:08,640
the next thing is the wi-fi,

4689
03:17:08,640 --> 03:17:09,640
which was in the $150,000

4690
03:17:09,640 --> 03:17:11,640
might be curious as to how much you

4691
03:17:11,640 --> 03:17:14,400
actually spent so far.

4692
03:17:14,640 --> 03:17:15,640
and of the flag was

4693
03:17:15,640 --> 03:17:17,640
more than when people thought it would

4694
03:17:17,640 --> 03:17:18,640
cost but it was a $150,000. All

4695
03:17:18,640 --> 03:17:20,640
I'm saying is that, we can make this

4696
03:17:20,640 --> 03:17:23,400
a real regional attraction,

4697
03:17:23,640 --> 03:17:24,640
and it is

4698
03:17:24,640 --> 03:17:28,640
for the benefit of the double leprechauns,

4699
03:17:28,640 --> 03:17:31,640
but it's also the benefit of emerald high school.

4700
03:17:31,640 --> 03:17:35,640
so far this season, thanks to you, we

4701
03:17:35,640 --> 03:17:38,640
raised our level so much higher

4702
03:17:38,640 --> 03:17:41,640
than were in our previous two

4703
03:17:41,640 --> 03:17:44,640
seasons, the community, we have

4704
03:17:44,640 --> 03:17:45,640
events coming up with tri-valley

4705
03:17:45,640 --> 03:17:48,640
rotary, we have doubled historical,

4706
03:17:49,640 --> 03:17:53,640
we have our partnership with cap parks,

4707
03:17:53,640 --> 03:17:55,640
the team is staying

4708
03:17:55,640 --> 03:17:59,640
over at karen parks, my timing is up.

4709
03:17:59,640 --> 03:18:03,840
so, anyway, if you have additional questions,

4710
03:18:04,640 --> 03:18:05,640
I think the dollars can come down,

4711
03:18:05,640 --> 03:18:06,640
worked well within

4712
03:18:06,640 --> 03:18:08,640
your perceived budgets, and we appreciate everything

4713
03:18:08,640 --> 03:18:11,400
you've done so far.

4714
03:18:11,640 --> 03:18:13,640
>>

4715
03:18:14,640 --> 03:18:15,640
we'll come back for additional comments

4716
03:18:15,640 --> 03:18:16,640
or thoughts, discussions.

4717
03:18:16,640 --> 03:18:18,640
>> sure.

4718
03:18:20,640 --> 03:18:22,640
there

4719
03:18:23,640 --> 03:18:24,640
are

4720
03:18:24,640 --> 03:18:26,640
decisions to make, it's been pointed out

4721
03:18:26,640 --> 03:18:27,640
that we are not in a desperate

4722
03:18:27,640 --> 03:18:29,640
situation, we're not in a cash flow crunch.

4723
03:18:29,640 --> 03:18:30,640
we

4724
03:18:30,640 --> 03:18:32,640
want to be very careful with our money,

4725
03:18:32,640 --> 03:18:34,640
go back

4726
03:18:35,640 --> 03:18:38,640
to the tier 3 list again.

4727
03:18:38,640 --> 03:18:40,640
I think things that we are

4728
03:18:40,640 --> 03:18:43,640
, that we know that we need to do,

4729
03:18:43,640 --> 03:18:47,640
I don't think it makes sense for us

4730
03:18:47,640 --> 03:18:48,640
to defer for the

4731
03:18:48,640 --> 03:18:50,640
sake of differing when it's going

4732
03:18:50,640 --> 03:18:52,640
to cost us additional money.

4733
03:18:52,640 --> 03:18:53,640
I appreciate: being on this list,

4734
03:18:53,640 --> 03:18:55,640
it's the biggest

4735
03:18:56,640 --> 03:18:57,640
item on the list. I would not be

4736
03:18:57,640 --> 03:18:59,640
in support of completely deferring the

4737
03:18:59,640 --> 03:19:01,640
project moving it out

4738
03:19:01,640 --> 03:19:02,640
of additional years beyond what is necessary

4739
03:19:02,640 --> 03:19:04,640
. Simply

4740
03:19:05,640 --> 03:19:07,640
cannot spend

4741
03:19:08,640 --> 03:19:11,640
as much general fund money now

4742
03:19:11,640 --> 03:19:12,640
when it would mean we would

4743
03:19:12,640 --> 03:19:14,640
have to spend even more general fund

4744
03:19:14,640 --> 03:19:16,640
money later because we know we

4745
03:19:16,640 --> 03:19:17,640
need to do it. Those folks have been

4746
03:19:17,640 --> 03:19:18,640
waiting for that renovation for

4747
03:19:18,640 --> 03:19:20,640
a long time, the bathroom building

4748
03:19:20,640 --> 03:19:21,640
really does need to be upgraded. What

4749
03:19:21,640 --> 03:19:22,640
I

4750
03:19:22,640 --> 03:19:23,640
would support, and the cold part piece

4751
03:19:23,640 --> 03:19:26,640
would be to look at,

4752
03:19:26,640 --> 03:19:28,640
are there things that we want

4753
03:19:28,640 --> 03:19:32,640
to reduce that we never want to do? Within that project

4754
03:19:32,640 --> 03:19:35,640
the scope and scale for example.

4755
03:19:35,640 --> 03:19:37,640
the landscaping

4756
03:19:40,640 --> 03:19:41,640
, the landscaping plan what we initially

4757
03:19:41,640 --> 03:19:43,640
wanted to do, do we really need

4758
03:19:43,640 --> 03:19:44,640
to redo this play structure? Is it

4759
03:19:44,640 --> 03:19:47,400
unsafe? Is it sufficient?

4760
03:19:50,640 --> 03:19:51,640
the exercise course,

4761
03:19:51,640 --> 03:19:53,640
I think, people have been asking for

4762
03:19:53,640 --> 03:19:55,640
for a long time, can we look at what

4763
03:19:55,640 --> 03:19:56,640
we're trying to do there and is in

4764
03:19:56,640 --> 03:19:58,640
the right gail? But I wouldn't

4765
03:19:58,640 --> 03:19:59,640
support putting it off just for the sake

4766
03:19:59,640 --> 03:20:02,640
of putting it off. That will cost us

4767
03:20:02,640 --> 03:20:03,640
more in the long run. The stage structure

4768
03:20:03,640 --> 03:20:05,640
I know that was head nods from something

4769
03:20:05,640 --> 03:20:07,640
that I brought, but

4770
03:20:07,640 --> 03:20:08,640
I'm not loving what we've done with

4771
03:20:08,640 --> 03:20:10,640
that particular project, I would be

4772
03:20:10,640 --> 03:20:14,240
supportive of moving that, and hopefully

4773
03:20:14,640 --> 03:20:16,640
putting

4774
03:20:16,640 --> 03:20:20,640
that into the other things that we're already doing.

4775
03:20:20,640 --> 03:20:21,640
every time we touch a park,

4776
03:20:21,640 --> 03:20:23,640
look at its trade requirements, every time

4777
03:20:23,640 --> 03:20:26,640
we have to open anything at any

4778
03:20:26,640 --> 03:20:27,640
of our parks, particularly in regards

4779
03:20:27,640 --> 03:20:29,640
to

4780
03:20:29,640 --> 03:20:30,640
the playgrounds, evaluate if shade

4781
03:20:30,640 --> 03:20:32,640
needs at

4782
03:20:32,640 --> 03:20:33,640
the time, I think there's economies

4783
03:20:33,640 --> 03:20:34,640
to be

4784
03:20:34,640 --> 03:20:35,640
had by doing that and I'm fine with

4785
03:20:35,640 --> 03:20:38,640
us. Deferring or even eliminating

4786
03:20:38,640 --> 03:20:41,640
the cip that just says

4787
03:20:44,640 --> 03:20:45,640
shade structures because I don't think

4788
03:20:45,640 --> 03:20:47,640
this was implemented,

4789
03:20:47,640 --> 03:20:48,640
not the way I envisioned it the way

4790
03:20:48,640 --> 03:20:49,640
the rest

4791
03:20:49,640 --> 03:20:50,640
of council and visited, that would

4792
03:20:50,640 --> 03:20:52,640
be my recommendation.

4793
03:20:53,640 --> 03:20:54,640
on the sports park

4794
03:20:54,640 --> 03:20:56,640
baseball field upgrades, I'm supportive

4795
03:20:56,640 --> 03:20:59,640
of moving that to future projects, but I appreciate

4796
03:20:59,640 --> 03:21:01,640
mr. Houston's comments,

4797
03:21:02,640 --> 03:21:04,640
I

4798
03:21:05,640 --> 03:21:06,640
appreciate his cost estimates, I'm

4799
03:21:06,640 --> 03:21:08,640
a

4800
03:21:08,640 --> 03:21:09,640
little bit leery of the cost estimates

4801
03:21:09,640 --> 03:21:11,640
from members

4802
03:21:11,640 --> 03:21:13,640
of the public, because they are and

4803
03:21:13,640 --> 03:21:14,640
what our staff has brought to us is what

4804
03:21:14,640 --> 03:21:16,640
is going to

4805
03:21:16,640 --> 03:21:17,640
cost, I chuckled when you said they

4806
03:21:17,640 --> 03:21:21,240
are set in stone, mr. Russell

4807
03:21:23,640 --> 03:21:24,640
wants them all set literally in stone

4808
03:21:24,640 --> 03:21:25,640
and bolted

4809
03:21:25,640 --> 03:21:26,640
to the concrete and that's partially

4810
03:21:26,640 --> 03:21:29,400
what increases our costs.

4811
03:21:29,640 --> 03:21:31,640
I do think we definitely need to

4812
03:21:31,640 --> 03:21:32,640
figure out why the wi-fi, we want

4813
03:21:32,640 --> 03:21:35,640
to, if that's part of the 150,

4814
03:21:35,640 --> 03:21:38,400
is that your understanding?

4815
03:21:38,640 --> 03:21:40,640
>> and the green mesh, all of

4816
03:21:40,640 --> 03:21:41,640
that is going to be done and we're going

4817
03:21:41,640 --> 03:21:42,640
to spend the entire 150.

4818
03:21:42,640 --> 03:21:44,640
>>

4819
03:21:44,640 --> 03:21:47,640
if there is a way to get a cheap container out there,

4820
03:21:47,640 --> 03:21:48,640
if that is a small cost, if that whole

4821
03:21:48,640 --> 03:21:50,640
150 is already gone, the container

4822
03:21:50,640 --> 03:21:53,640
may be something we can work on if there's

4823
03:21:53,640 --> 03:21:56,640
a way to do that.

4824
03:21:56,640 --> 03:21:57,640
through our agreement with emerald, or

4825
03:21:57,640 --> 03:21:58,640
some other

4826
03:21:58,640 --> 03:22:03,640
way we're doing that with leprechauns if that's doable.

4827
03:22:03,640 --> 03:22:04,640
as far as the seating and

4828
03:22:04,640 --> 03:22:06,640
anything additional beyond that, deferring

4829
03:22:06,640 --> 03:22:09,640
that to out years makes

4830
03:22:09,640 --> 03:22:10,640
more sense to me. I'm

4831
03:22:10,640 --> 03:22:12,640
disappointed about the san ramon landscaping.

4832
03:22:12,640 --> 03:22:15,400
but I'm supportive of

4833
03:22:15,640 --> 03:22:17,640
moving that outward since that

4834
03:22:17,640 --> 03:22:18,640
number is a complete guess it would

4835
03:22:18,640 --> 03:22:20,640
be

4836
03:22:20,640 --> 03:22:22,640
way more than that. I'm supportive

4837
03:22:22,640 --> 03:22:26,840
of the recommendation on the storm drains,

4838
03:22:27,640 --> 03:22:28,640
and we

4839
03:22:28,640 --> 03:22:30,640
need to move forward on the improvements, otherwise

4840
03:22:30,640 --> 03:22:32,640
we are going to have

4841
03:22:32,640 --> 03:22:33,640
to limit our rentals, and I'm not

4842
03:22:33,640 --> 03:22:34,640
supportive of that

4843
03:22:34,640 --> 03:22:36,640
and we want to protect that asset. That's

4844
03:22:36,640 --> 03:22:37,640
where I land on all of those.

4845
03:22:37,640 --> 03:22:39,640
>> thank you. You want to say something?

4846
03:22:39,640 --> 03:22:41,640
>>

4847
03:22:42,640 --> 03:22:44,640
I usually do, yeah, thank you.

4848
03:22:44,640 --> 03:22:45,640
so, shade structures, I was a little bit

4849
03:22:45,640 --> 03:22:47,640
surprised. This

4850
03:22:48,640 --> 03:22:50,640
was probably brought up.

4851
03:22:50,640 --> 03:22:52,640
I didn't realize that was all planning

4852
03:22:52,640 --> 03:22:54,640
and there would be an additional cost.

4853
03:22:54,640 --> 03:22:57,640
I am in favor of

4854
03:22:57,640 --> 03:23:00,640
doing something, for that, I

4855
03:23:00,640 --> 03:23:01,640
think if we could look at that from

4856
03:23:01,640 --> 03:23:03,640
a different perspective, and I'm not

4857
03:23:03,640 --> 03:23:06,400
just topping about umbrellas,

4858
03:23:08,640 --> 03:23:09,640
there should be a process, I don't

4859
03:23:09,640 --> 03:23:11,640
want to give up

4860
03:23:11,640 --> 03:23:12,640
on that. I think it's necessary, I

4861
03:23:12,640 --> 03:23:13,640
just don't

4862
03:23:13,640 --> 03:23:17,640
think we should be spending 200 grand for planning.

4863
03:23:17,640 --> 03:23:21,640
for this type of thing. I am supportive of doing something.

4864
03:23:21,640 --> 03:23:23,640
but, not spending

4865
03:23:24,640 --> 03:23:26,640
200 grand for planning.

4866
03:23:26,640 --> 03:23:27,640
that, I'd like to get some idea of

4867
03:23:27,640 --> 03:23:28,640
what

4868
03:23:28,640 --> 03:23:30,640
the cost would be, so if that's something

4869
03:23:30,640 --> 03:23:33,640
that can be done quicker,

4870
03:23:34,640 --> 03:23:38,240
within our fiscal period, that's fine.

4871
03:23:39,640 --> 03:23:40,640
if it needs

4872
03:23:40,640 --> 03:23:42,640
to be pushed out, okay, but I don't want

4873
03:23:42,640 --> 03:23:45,640
to give up on it.

4874
03:23:45,640 --> 03:23:48,640
I just think, for some reason, the planning

4875
03:23:48,640 --> 03:23:51,400
is really, really high.

4876
03:23:53,640 --> 03:23:54,640
so I don't know if I'm going to get

4877
03:23:54,640 --> 03:23:56,640
any

4878
03:23:57,640 --> 03:24:00,640
feedback on that, I alluded to

4879
03:24:00,640 --> 03:24:03,640
the fallon sports park changes,

4880
03:24:03,640 --> 03:24:04,640
I wanted in my

4881
03:24:04,640 --> 03:24:06,640
clarifying questions, I wanted to

4882
03:24:06,640 --> 03:24:09,640
get a handle on where that

4883
03:24:09,640 --> 03:24:10,640
500 grand came from, I do

4884
03:24:10,640 --> 03:24:12,640
have a better idea, now, it sounds like, regardless

4885
03:24:12,640 --> 03:24:14,640
,

4886
03:24:15,640 --> 03:24:18,640
I think we can get a

4887
03:24:18,640 --> 03:24:21,400
handle on those changes.

4888
03:24:21,640 --> 03:24:23,640
we don't need 500 grand

4889
03:24:23,640 --> 03:24:27,640
to make a lot of those changes. I have clarification that

4890
03:24:27,640 --> 03:24:29,640
we are spending

4891
03:24:30,640 --> 03:24:32,640
the 150 for the

4892
03:24:33,640 --> 03:24:34,640
mesh, for the flagpole,

4893
03:24:34,640 --> 03:24:36,640
and for whatever the other thing was,

4894
03:24:36,640 --> 03:24:39,640
so it'll be gone. Well utilized.

4895
03:24:39,640 --> 03:24:41,640
I

4896
03:24:41,640 --> 03:24:45,640
do think we can probably include some of this amount

4897
03:24:45,640 --> 03:24:48,640
in the 25-26 budget. I'm in favor of

4898
03:24:48,640 --> 03:24:50,640
maybe identifying what

4899
03:24:51,640 --> 03:24:53,640
the real need is on that.

4900
03:24:53,640 --> 03:24:56,640
identifying within the fiscal period,

4901
03:24:57,640 --> 03:25:00,640
what we really need to do,

4902
03:25:00,640 --> 03:25:03,640
and then if there's anything ,

4903
03:25:03,640 --> 03:25:06,400
prioritization, push it out.

4904
03:25:06,640 --> 03:25:08,640
say we need 250, 300, whatever

4905
03:25:08,640 --> 03:25:09,640
the number is. And you're timing that,

4906
03:25:09,640 --> 03:25:10,640
you identify in the fiscal

4907
03:25:10,640 --> 03:25:14,840
period, the things that you really think

4908
03:25:15,640 --> 03:25:18,640
have a higher priority. That would be my recommendation.

4909
03:25:18,640 --> 03:25:19,640
I'm kind

4910
03:25:19,640 --> 03:25:21,640
of thinking that way throughout all

4911
03:25:21,640 --> 03:25:24,640
of this, because some of these items are important,

4912
03:25:24,640 --> 03:25:26,640
as we're tweaking

4913
03:25:27,640 --> 03:25:29,640
them, moving things around.

4914
03:25:29,640 --> 03:25:30,640
I don't think we can just say, let's just

4915
03:25:30,640 --> 03:25:31,640
shove them out. We

4916
03:25:31,640 --> 03:25:33,640
need to understand what's critical, and this

4917
03:25:33,640 --> 03:25:35,640
cold park thing,

4918
03:25:36,640 --> 03:25:38,640
line item is

4919
03:25:39,640 --> 03:25:40,640
a perfect example of that. I think

4920
03:25:40,640 --> 03:25:42,640
councilmember josey brought that up,

4921
03:25:42,640 --> 03:25:43,640
and she

4922
03:25:43,640 --> 03:25:45,640
probably has a very good knowledge

4923
03:25:45,640 --> 03:25:47,640
of that. A little better detail knowledge but

4924
03:25:47,640 --> 03:25:51,240
they're probably items in there that

4925
03:25:51,640 --> 03:25:53,640
are necessities,

4926
03:25:56,640 --> 03:25:57,640
and some that are, well, we might

4927
03:25:57,640 --> 03:26:00,400
as well try to

4928
03:26:00,640 --> 03:26:03,640
do this, too. And I think

4929
03:26:03,640 --> 03:26:05,640
councilmember josey was clear

4930
03:26:05,640 --> 03:26:09,640
and said is that something that needs to be changed?

4931
03:26:09,640 --> 03:26:12,640
or is it pretty safe, now? I think there is

4932
03:26:12,640 --> 03:26:14,640
room to defer

4933
03:26:18,640 --> 03:26:20,640
for the

4934
03:26:20,640 --> 03:26:21,640
25-26. That's really what I'm talking, well,

4935
03:26:21,640 --> 03:26:24,400
yeah. Pushing it out.

4936
03:26:24,640 --> 03:26:27,400
and then, you know,

4937
03:26:27,640 --> 03:26:29,640
the barn,

4938
03:26:30,640 --> 03:26:33,640
yeah, I would be supportive

4939
03:26:33,640 --> 03:26:36,640
of doing whatever is necessary.

4940
03:26:36,640 --> 03:26:39,400
260 grand , I was unclear,

4941
03:26:39,640 --> 03:26:41,640
I'm

4942
03:26:41,640 --> 03:26:45,640
going to go back if you pardon me and say clarification.

4943
03:26:45,640 --> 03:26:46,640
what exactly would be doing for 260 grand?

4944
03:26:46,640 --> 03:26:48,640
>>

4945
03:26:48,640 --> 03:26:51,640
that is to strengthen the floor.

4946
03:26:51,640 --> 03:26:54,640
>> so it's foundational? >> no. From

4947
03:26:54,640 --> 03:26:56,640
underside of the

4948
03:26:57,640 --> 03:26:59,640
existing

4949
03:27:00,640 --> 03:27:02,640
1x6 flooring.

4950
03:27:03,640 --> 03:27:06,640
>> subfloor. >> right now there isn't one.

4951
03:27:06,640 --> 03:27:08,640
the historic fabric ,

4952
03:27:11,640 --> 03:27:15,240
spanning from new choices. That's why

4953
03:27:15,640 --> 03:27:18,640
you have this basically spongy floor.

4954
03:27:18,640 --> 03:27:21,640
it's to go underneath and re-support what's there.

4955
03:27:21,640 --> 03:27:25,240
that's why it's so costly, because

4956
03:27:25,640 --> 03:27:26,640
you're having to do everything

4957
03:27:26,640 --> 03:27:28,640
from the underneath, not from the

4958
03:27:28,640 --> 03:27:29,640
top.

4959
03:27:29,640 --> 03:27:31,640
>> to check this one,

4960
03:27:31,640 --> 03:27:34,640
I would be in support

4961
03:27:34,640 --> 03:27:37,640
of continuing with that plan,

4962
03:27:37,640 --> 03:27:38,640
the san ramon landscaping

4963
03:27:38,640 --> 03:27:42,240
I think, that's been talked about.

4964
03:27:42,640 --> 03:27:43,640
I would be supportive of eliminating

4965
03:27:43,640 --> 03:27:44,640
that, and then

4966
03:27:44,640 --> 03:27:48,840
the storm drain, I don't have enough

4967
03:27:49,640 --> 03:27:51,640
support to understand, to me,

4968
03:27:51,640 --> 03:27:54,640
when a storm drain is put on there,

4969
03:27:54,640 --> 03:27:58,640
and you've put it on as a tier 3, I guess

4970
03:27:58,640 --> 03:27:59,640
,

4971
03:27:59,640 --> 03:28:01,640
I'm a little confused. When you want to

4972
03:28:01,640 --> 03:28:03,640
put a storm drain in, to me,

4973
03:28:03,640 --> 03:28:07,640
that's really important stuff. I was wondering

4974
03:28:07,640 --> 03:28:08,640
why you, pardon

4975
03:28:08,640 --> 03:28:12,640
me, clarification, why you put that on this.

4976
03:28:12,640 --> 03:28:13,640
can you give me a quick background

4977
03:28:13,640 --> 03:28:14,640
on that?

4978
03:28:14,640 --> 03:28:16,640
>> this

4979
03:28:16,640 --> 03:28:17,640
is a condition assessment

4980
03:28:17,640 --> 03:28:18,640
at a fixed period of time, whether

4981
03:28:18,640 --> 03:28:20,640
it's 10 years, 15 years from when

4982
03:28:20,640 --> 03:28:22,640
it was installed. Right now we're not

4983
03:28:22,640 --> 03:28:25,640
receiving a lot of reports

4984
03:28:25,640 --> 03:28:26,640
of issues. So, this is

4985
03:28:26,640 --> 03:28:28,640
part of preventative maintenance.

4986
03:28:28,640 --> 03:28:29,640
going

4987
03:28:29,640 --> 03:28:33,840
in, inspecting the line, seeing what's there,

4988
03:28:34,640 --> 03:28:35,640
and if we

4989
03:28:35,640 --> 03:28:37,640
need to we would do point repairs.

4990
03:28:37,640 --> 03:28:38,640
>> okay, I appreciate that. Then there's

4991
03:28:38,640 --> 03:28:42,640
room to evaluate on that as well.

4992
03:28:42,640 --> 03:28:46,640
so, I think you've targeted tier 3 projects very well,

4993
03:28:46,640 --> 03:28:47,640
you've segregated the

4994
03:28:47,640 --> 03:28:49,640
tier 2 projects appropriately, with

4995
03:28:49,640 --> 03:28:52,640
the exception of a couple of

4996
03:28:52,640 --> 03:28:55,400
items there of curiosity.

4997
03:28:55,640 --> 03:28:56,640
I think the focus should

4998
03:28:56,640 --> 03:28:58,640
be on the tier 3 in terms of deferrals,

4999
03:28:58,640 --> 03:29:00,640
elimination,

5000
03:29:04,640 --> 03:29:06,640
and,

5001
03:29:07,640 --> 03:29:08,640
where I'm going on

5002
03:29:08,640 --> 03:29:09,640
I got enough information.

5003
03:29:09,640 --> 03:29:11,640
>> some guidance, yes.

5004
03:29:13,640 --> 03:29:15,640
>> thank you for

5005
03:29:16,640 --> 03:29:22,400
separating this out, I think, there's a lot here.

5006
03:29:22,640 --> 03:29:24,640
I thought

5007
03:29:24,640 --> 03:29:28,640
councilmember josey was heading in the direction

5008
03:29:28,640 --> 03:29:30,640
that I had in mind which was questioning

5009
03:29:30,640 --> 03:29:34,640
the marquee signs at 850 k, and the monument signs

5010
03:29:34,640 --> 03:29:36,640
at nearly 500 k,

5011
03:29:37,640 --> 03:29:40,640
I don't know if those

5012
03:29:40,640 --> 03:29:43,640
, I don't know if those make a

5013
03:29:43,640 --> 03:29:46,400
whole lot of sense.

5014
03:29:46,640 --> 03:29:49,640
I don't think the value is

5015
03:29:49,640 --> 03:29:52,400
compensable with the cost.

5016
03:29:52,640 --> 03:29:54,640
that being said,

5017
03:29:55,640 --> 03:29:58,640
I agree with the comments around

5018
03:29:58,640 --> 03:30:00,640
the sunday school

5019
03:30:00,640 --> 03:30:01,640
improvements as well as eliminating

5020
03:30:01,640 --> 03:30:04,400
the shade for now.

5021
03:30:07,640 --> 03:30:09,640
I concur with

5022
03:30:10,640 --> 03:30:12,640
councilmember mccorriston

5023
03:30:13,640 --> 03:30:15,640
on the kolb

5024
03:30:15,640 --> 03:30:16,640
park renovation, and just diving in

5025
03:30:16,640 --> 03:30:18,640
slightly

5026
03:30:19,640 --> 03:30:22,400
deeper and figuring out

5027
03:30:24,640 --> 03:30:25,640
the same approach that you've taken

5028
03:30:25,640 --> 03:30:27,640
in terms of the tier

5029
03:30:27,640 --> 03:30:28,640
1, tier 2, tier 3, diving into that, because

5030
03:30:28,640 --> 03:30:30,640
it is a

5031
03:30:30,640 --> 03:30:33,640
significant amount of money. And then, with

5032
03:30:33,640 --> 03:30:37,240
the fallon sports market, I'm having

5033
03:30:37,640 --> 03:30:39,640
field of dreams fives, if you

5034
03:30:39,640 --> 03:30:43,640
build it they will come. I'm wondering, outside of

5035
03:30:43,640 --> 03:30:46,400
the leprechauns, who benefits

5036
03:30:46,640 --> 03:30:48,640
from what ,

5037
03:30:48,640 --> 03:30:49,640
and diving into that a little bit.

5038
03:30:49,640 --> 03:30:51,640
so,

5039
03:30:52,640 --> 03:30:55,640
if emerald high school or little league

5040
03:30:55,640 --> 03:30:57,640
or someone else is going to

5041
03:30:57,640 --> 03:30:58,640
benefit from a particular project as opposed

5042
03:30:58,640 --> 03:30:59,640
to

5043
03:30:59,640 --> 03:31:01,640
another, I'm more inclined to support that

5044
03:31:01,640 --> 03:31:03,640
as

5045
03:31:04,640 --> 03:31:07,640
to one organization or entity.

5046
03:31:07,640 --> 03:31:09,640
I don't know if you

5047
03:31:09,640 --> 03:31:10,640
have any insights.

5048
03:31:10,640 --> 03:31:11,640
>> sure, the leprechauns

5049
03:31:11,640 --> 03:31:13,640
are just one user,

5050
03:31:13,640 --> 03:31:14,640
we have so many users of

5051
03:31:14,640 --> 03:31:16,640
our fields and facilities. My vision

5052
03:31:16,640 --> 03:31:18,640
has always been

5053
03:31:22,640 --> 03:31:27,440
to have facilities that attract outside regional tournaments.

5054
03:31:28,640 --> 03:31:29,640
those

5055
03:31:29,640 --> 03:31:31,640
are booms for the community, they

5056
03:31:31,640 --> 03:31:32,640
get kids involved and interested in

5057
03:31:32,640 --> 03:31:36,240
sports, and watching and for dissipating,

5058
03:31:36,640 --> 03:31:37,640
and they get people eating in our

5059
03:31:37,640 --> 03:31:38,640
restaurant and things

5060
03:31:38,640 --> 03:31:40,640
like that. Outside groups using it is

5061
03:31:40,640 --> 03:31:43,400
one thing, and certainly

5062
03:31:43,640 --> 03:31:45,640
having a premium

5063
03:31:46,640 --> 03:31:48,640
field makes a big difference.

5064
03:31:48,640 --> 03:31:49,640
again, you're talking about local user groups, too,

5065
03:31:49,640 --> 03:31:51,640
there's

5066
03:31:52,640 --> 03:31:55,640
not enough field space as it is,

5067
03:31:55,640 --> 03:31:59,840
for inside sports and outside sports. He's

5068
03:32:01,640 --> 03:32:02,640
a pecans, little

5069
03:32:02,640 --> 03:32:03,640
league's, all the other clubs that

5070
03:32:03,640 --> 03:32:04,640
compete with little league's, there's

5071
03:32:04,640 --> 03:32:07,400
smaller ones that are

5072
03:32:07,640 --> 03:32:10,640
looking for field space and

5073
03:32:10,640 --> 03:32:12,640
premium spots to play. And be important,

5074
03:32:12,640 --> 03:32:13,640
be just as important as little league

5075
03:32:13,640 --> 03:32:16,400
and emerald high school,

5076
03:32:16,640 --> 03:32:17,640
lots of users.

5077
03:32:17,640 --> 03:32:19,640
>> right.

5078
03:32:19,640 --> 03:32:22,400
outside of whatever that

5079
03:32:22,640 --> 03:32:24,640
500 k

5080
03:32:25,640 --> 03:32:27,640
entails, that's a

5081
03:32:28,640 --> 03:32:31,400
list of various improvements.

5082
03:32:33,640 --> 03:32:34,640
my suggestion would be to look at what

5083
03:32:34,640 --> 03:32:35,640
those individual improvements are, those

5084
03:32:35,640 --> 03:32:37,640
that actually benefit the community,

5085
03:32:37,640 --> 03:32:42,440
I would rank higher than those that don't.

5086
03:32:43,640 --> 03:32:46,400
what value is a

5087
03:32:46,640 --> 03:32:48,640
marquee sign actually bringing?

5088
03:32:48,640 --> 03:32:49,640
what revenue is that generating versus

5089
03:32:49,640 --> 03:32:51,640
something like this where

5090
03:32:51,640 --> 03:32:54,640
all american, apple pie, baseball,

5091
03:32:55,640 --> 03:32:57,640
it has a sense

5092
03:32:57,640 --> 03:33:01,640
of community, I think it adds value.

5093
03:33:01,640 --> 03:33:03,640
both monetarily, hard

5094
03:33:04,640 --> 03:33:06,640
dollars as well as soft.

5095
03:33:06,640 --> 03:33:10,840
get the community outside bringing it together.

5096
03:33:15,640 --> 03:33:17,640
I would love to see more detail around

5097
03:33:17,640 --> 03:33:18,640
that, that 500 k placeholder,

5098
03:33:18,640 --> 03:33:19,640
things that are actually bringing

5099
03:33:19,640 --> 03:33:23,640
value to the community. I don't know if I trust

5100
03:33:23,640 --> 03:33:26,640
a sign costing 40 k, but maybe

5101
03:33:26,640 --> 03:33:27,640
,

5102
03:33:27,640 --> 03:33:28,640
just diving into that a little more

5103
03:33:28,640 --> 03:33:32,840
I would be more inclined and certainly

5104
03:33:34,640 --> 03:33:35,640
going back to the barn improvements,

5105
03:33:35,640 --> 03:33:38,640
this is obviously historical site,

5106
03:33:38,640 --> 03:33:39,640
I wish

5107
03:33:39,640 --> 03:33:41,640
steve was here to educate me on the

5108
03:33:41,640 --> 03:33:43,640
full history of it, getting to

5109
03:33:43,640 --> 03:33:45,640
a point that we're destroying a historical site,

5110
03:33:45,640 --> 03:33:49,840
it doesn't feel right at this point.

5111
03:33:50,640 --> 03:33:53,400
I don't know if

5112
03:33:53,640 --> 03:33:55,640
the council agrees in terms of,

5113
03:33:55,640 --> 03:33:58,400
potentially threatening the integrity

5114
03:33:59,640 --> 03:34:01,640
of that floor.

5115
03:34:02,640 --> 03:34:04,640
>> this retrofitting.

5116
03:34:05,640 --> 03:34:06,640
the point

5117
03:34:06,640 --> 03:34:10,640
was made that if we don't reinforce

5118
03:34:10,640 --> 03:34:14,240
the floor, it could respond eunice

5119
03:34:14,640 --> 03:34:16,640
could cause

5120
03:34:20,640 --> 03:34:21,640
coals and permanent damage.

5121
03:34:21,640 --> 03:34:22,640
>>

5122
03:34:22,640 --> 03:34:23,640
I'm more concerned about the safety

5123
03:34:23,640 --> 03:34:26,640
of people using it, less concern about the trampoline effect.

5124
03:34:26,640 --> 03:34:28,640
>>

5125
03:34:28,640 --> 03:34:29,640
sure.

5126
03:34:29,640 --> 03:34:33,840
>> I don't know how the council feels.

5127
03:34:35,640 --> 03:34:36,640
>> [ inaudible

5128
03:34:36,640 --> 03:34:37,640
]

5129
03:34:37,640 --> 03:34:38,640
>> I'd like to see the improvement.

5130
03:34:38,640 --> 03:34:41,640
the retrofitting gun. If that's

5131
03:34:41,640 --> 03:34:44,400
what you're advocating, then.

5132
03:34:44,640 --> 03:34:46,640
>>

5133
03:34:47,640 --> 03:34:50,640
thank you for your comments,

5134
03:34:50,640 --> 03:34:52,640
so, I

5135
03:34:52,640 --> 03:34:55,640
actually am excited when I heard your comment.

5136
03:34:55,640 --> 03:34:56,640
so, we have a vision. We have a vision

5137
03:34:56,640 --> 03:34:58,640
to

5138
03:34:59,640 --> 03:35:00,640
make double and become a

5139
03:35:00,640 --> 03:35:03,640
sports destiny, and in the future,

5140
03:35:03,640 --> 03:35:07,240
with the baseball field, event center,

5141
03:35:16,640 --> 03:35:17,640
and are passionate young athletes,

5142
03:35:17,640 --> 03:35:18,640
and also adult

5143
03:35:18,640 --> 03:35:20,640
athletes, I envision we will be able

5144
03:35:20,640 --> 03:35:22,640
to keep thriving.

5145
03:35:23,640 --> 03:35:26,400
right now our budget

5146
03:35:26,640 --> 03:35:29,640
is in great shape, we are not

5147
03:35:29,640 --> 03:35:30,640
as much

5148
03:35:30,640 --> 03:35:32,640
last year, but we are much better

5149
03:35:32,640 --> 03:35:34,640
than

5150
03:35:34,640 --> 03:35:38,640
all our neighboring cities, we are in

5151
03:35:38,640 --> 03:35:40,640
positive surplus position.

5152
03:35:43,640 --> 03:35:44,640
we don't have to worry that much, or

5153
03:35:44,640 --> 03:35:45,640
we don't have to look

5154
03:35:45,640 --> 03:35:47,640
at all those ways to try and eliminate

5155
03:35:47,640 --> 03:35:49,640
or

5156
03:35:50,640 --> 03:35:52,640
defer, that's how I feel like we

5157
03:35:52,640 --> 03:35:55,640
keep this positive momentum. Keep

5158
03:35:56,640 --> 03:35:57,640
going, keep doing things. We'll

5159
03:35:57,640 --> 03:35:59,640
thrive our business, we'll generate more revenues,

5160
03:35:59,640 --> 03:36:02,640
and we will be able

5161
03:36:05,640 --> 03:36:08,400
to cover, of course,

5162
03:36:08,640 --> 03:36:11,640
we'll cover our budget, our expenditure,

5163
03:36:11,640 --> 03:36:14,400
and we'll do better.

5164
03:36:14,640 --> 03:36:16,640
that's what I feel. I feel all those

5165
03:36:16,640 --> 03:36:17,640
items, it's great you go into all the

5166
03:36:17,640 --> 03:36:19,640
details, we look at all the

5167
03:36:19,640 --> 03:36:23,640
things, and I agree with all of your comments about

5168
03:36:23,640 --> 03:36:25,640
[ inaudible ] look at

5169
03:36:26,640 --> 03:36:29,640
the sports park we want to support,

5170
03:36:29,640 --> 03:36:32,640
we want to make this, attract

5171
03:36:32,640 --> 03:36:35,400
the players, athletes here.

5172
03:36:37,640 --> 03:36:38,640
we want to do important things that we have to

5173
03:36:38,640 --> 03:36:41,640
do. So, I don't feel

5174
03:36:41,640 --> 03:36:44,640
great about marquee signs, either.

5175
03:36:47,640 --> 03:36:48,640
how about --

5176
03:36:48,640 --> 03:36:50,640
>> I agree.

5177
03:36:50,640 --> 03:36:56,640
my position on the marquee signs is all or nothing.

5178
03:36:56,640 --> 03:36:57,640
the reason that we've had so many discussions

5179
03:36:57,640 --> 03:36:58,640
on

5180
03:36:58,640 --> 03:36:59,640
the marquee signs is because there

5181
03:36:59,640 --> 03:37:02,400
was such a imbalance

5182
03:37:02,640 --> 03:37:04,640
between east and west.

5183
03:37:04,640 --> 03:37:05,640
which is why we've talked about it

5184
03:37:05,640 --> 03:37:07,640
multiple times, because we were going

5185
03:37:07,640 --> 03:37:11,640
to rehab to marquee signs in west dublin,

5186
03:37:11,640 --> 03:37:14,640
and add another marquee sign

5187
03:37:17,640 --> 03:37:19,640
very close to the ones we're rehabbing in

5188
03:37:19,640 --> 03:37:20,640
west dublin, and there were no marquee

5189
03:37:20,640 --> 03:37:23,640
signs in east dublin, and

5190
03:37:23,640 --> 03:37:26,400
my position was that

5191
03:37:26,640 --> 03:37:27,640
if we felt like

5192
03:37:27,640 --> 03:37:28,640
marquee signs were important, important

5193
03:37:28,640 --> 03:37:29,640
enough to be rehabbing two existing

5194
03:37:29,640 --> 03:37:32,640
ones and adding a third,

5195
03:37:32,640 --> 03:37:33,640
then we ought to have

5196
03:37:33,640 --> 03:37:35,640
one where the balance of the population

5197
03:37:35,640 --> 03:37:38,640
is in east dublin, that's how we ended

5198
03:37:38,640 --> 03:37:40,640
up with four marquee signs.

5199
03:37:40,640 --> 03:37:41,640
but, I agree, it's a lot of money

5200
03:37:41,640 --> 03:37:43,640
for marquee signs, and,

5201
03:37:43,640 --> 03:37:44,640
I don't know that we need any marquee

5202
03:37:44,640 --> 03:37:47,400
signs, which is why

5203
03:37:47,640 --> 03:37:49,640
I asked the question about what happens

5204
03:37:49,640 --> 03:37:50,640
if they go dark? But I also don't

5205
03:37:50,640 --> 03:37:53,400
like the image of

5206
03:37:53,640 --> 03:37:55,640
ugly marquee signs.

5207
03:37:56,640 --> 03:37:59,640
I don't know why we feel

5208
03:37:59,640 --> 03:38:03,240
we need one at city hall.

5209
03:38:04,640 --> 03:38:05,640
I don't want us to go into marquee signs

5210
03:38:05,640 --> 03:38:08,640
over and over again, but,

5211
03:38:08,640 --> 03:38:11,640
I don't love the idea of an

5212
03:38:11,640 --> 03:38:14,640
empty or dark one and the senior center,

5213
03:38:14,640 --> 03:38:17,640
I don't know why we want to add another one here

5214
03:38:17,640 --> 03:38:20,640
when everybody's driving by, and if

5215
03:38:20,640 --> 03:38:22,640
we are adding one here, then we are

5216
03:38:22,640 --> 03:38:23,640
saying we think these are important

5217
03:38:23,640 --> 03:38:26,640
enough to add another one,

5218
03:38:26,640 --> 03:38:28,640
we don't will better

5219
03:38:28,640 --> 03:38:29,640
be adding one on the east side of

5220
03:38:29,640 --> 03:38:31,640
time as well.

5221
03:38:31,640 --> 03:38:32,640
>> it seems like nobody likes the

5222
03:38:32,640 --> 03:38:35,400
marquee signs that much.

5223
03:38:35,640 --> 03:38:38,640
maybe look at ways to remove

5224
03:38:38,640 --> 03:38:40,640
the marquee signs or see how bad to

5225
03:38:40,640 --> 03:38:44,640
go dark it is. And adding new ones.

5226
03:38:44,640 --> 03:38:46,640
>> that's not

5227
03:38:47,640 --> 03:38:50,640
necessarily the best way, we should

5228
03:38:50,640 --> 03:38:51,640
evaluate what we need. I appreciate

5229
03:38:51,640 --> 03:38:53,640
that

5230
03:38:53,640 --> 03:38:57,240
we're going back now, two years

5231
03:38:57,640 --> 03:39:00,400
later and re-evaluating this.

5232
03:39:03,640 --> 03:39:04,640
I am,

5233
03:39:04,640 --> 03:39:06,640
for studying this, to see if there's

5234
03:39:06,640 --> 03:39:08,640
a way, and that's it.

5235
03:39:08,640 --> 03:39:11,640
it's not all or nothing for me, it's,

5236
03:39:11,640 --> 03:39:15,640
let's see what makes sense. And let's invest quality time

5237
03:39:15,640 --> 03:39:16,640
in making a

5238
03:39:16,640 --> 03:39:18,640
decision a permanent decision, and

5239
03:39:18,640 --> 03:39:20,640
that's all I'm here

5240
03:39:20,640 --> 03:39:23,640
for is getting kind of late, but, I'm

5241
03:39:23,640 --> 03:39:28,440
very supportive of going in and analyzing it.

5242
03:39:30,640 --> 03:39:31,640
but it's

5243
03:39:31,640 --> 03:39:33,640
not just cut them all or leave them

5244
03:39:33,640 --> 03:39:34,640
all in for me, is whatever

5245
03:39:34,640 --> 03:39:35,640
makes sense in our community.

5246
03:39:35,640 --> 03:39:36,640
>> tier

5247
03:39:36,640 --> 03:39:37,640
3, let it ride into the sunset.

5248
03:39:37,640 --> 03:39:39,640
>>

5249
03:39:39,640 --> 03:39:42,640
I'm sorry, I need clarity, as they fail,

5250
03:39:42,640 --> 03:39:44,640
we're removing them.

5251
03:39:45,640 --> 03:39:48,640
>> I would like to see

5252
03:39:48,640 --> 03:39:50,640
the cost of removing them,

5253
03:39:50,640 --> 03:39:54,640
>> it's either remove or repair. >> and sometimes

5254
03:39:54,640 --> 03:39:55,640
removal is more extensive than repairing

5255
03:39:55,640 --> 03:39:57,640
because they're encased in concrete

5256
03:39:57,640 --> 03:40:00,640
it's the one at shannon,

5257
03:40:00,640 --> 03:40:03,400
it would be expensive

5258
03:40:03,640 --> 03:40:06,640
to remove it. So let's

5259
03:40:08,640 --> 03:40:09,640
, can I ask a quick question? I'm not

5260
03:40:09,640 --> 03:40:10,640
sure, I think we were

5261
03:40:10,640 --> 03:40:12,640
all in agreement in everything except for cole,

5262
03:40:12,640 --> 03:40:13,640
but I heard

5263
03:40:13,640 --> 03:40:15,640
multiple things about as far as deferring it

5264
03:40:15,640 --> 03:40:16,640
or not deferring it, we all asked

5265
03:40:16,640 --> 03:40:18,640
for more clarity on the different

5266
03:40:18,640 --> 03:40:21,640
items that are part of that. But

5267
03:40:21,640 --> 03:40:24,640
I think mike said defer it,

5268
03:40:24,640 --> 03:40:26,640
>> I said look

5269
03:40:27,640 --> 03:40:29,640
--what is essential and what is

5270
03:40:29,640 --> 03:40:30,640
, we put this in here because it was

5271
03:40:30,640 --> 03:40:33,400
a really good thing.

5272
03:40:35,640 --> 03:40:36,640
classify it that way in terms of priorities.

5273
03:40:36,640 --> 03:40:38,640
less what

5274
03:40:38,640 --> 03:40:39,640
I said.

5275
03:40:39,640 --> 03:40:40,640
>> I'm not in favor of delaying it

5276
03:40:40,640 --> 03:40:41,640
because

5277
03:40:41,640 --> 03:40:45,640
I think that will just escalate the cost.

5278
03:40:45,640 --> 03:40:47,640
I'm in favor of looking at what might

5279
03:40:47,640 --> 03:40:48,640
not need to be done but not delaying

5280
03:40:48,640 --> 03:40:49,640
it.

5281
03:40:49,640 --> 03:40:50,640
>> I

5282
03:40:50,640 --> 03:40:51,640
think we're looking to at all the

5283
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items

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to say if there's , for kolb park,

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if there are things

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we can eliminate, we don't have to

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do. And look

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at things that we have to do.

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it's better to do now than future,

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okay. So,

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this item is for the directions. Do

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you feel you got directions?

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>> let's