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Good evening and welcome to the city of dublin planning and zoning commission.

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you can join the meeting in person at 5 5 5 5 perimeter drive and

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also access the meeting via the live stream on the city of dublin's website. We

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welcome public participation, including public comments on cases.

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please join me in the pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america,

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and two, the republic one, one nation under

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god in with liberty and justice for

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thank you, ms. Maxwell, would you please call the role? Yes. Mr. Alexander?

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here. Mr. Chinook? Here. Mr. Desler.

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here. Mr. Garvin is absent ms. Harder here.

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mr. We,

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here's at this time, we'll, uh, accept documents and approval of the minutes.

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I will accept the motion to accept the documents into the record and approve the minutes from

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the november 6th, 2025 special and regular meetings.

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so moved. Thank you. Second.

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thank you mr. Chen. Yes. Yes. Mr. We? Yes.

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ms. Harder? Yes. Mr. Alexander? Yes. And mr. Desler?

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yes. Thank you. Thank you. The planning and zoning commission

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is an advisory board to city council when rezoning and plotting a property under

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consideration. In such cases, city council receives recommendations from the

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commission. In other cases, the commission has the final decision making responsibility,

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the rules and regulations of the planning and zoning commission state that no agenda items

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are to be introduced. After 10:30 pm our

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procedures tonight, the applicant will present their case first, followed by

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the staff's analysis and recommendation. The commission will then ask questions of

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the applicant and staff, followed by public comment before deliberating

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we request that you keep your comments to three minutes or less tonight.

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commissioners, staff, or applicants. It's important that the commissioners can hear what is

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being said on the record and that all have a fair opportunity to be heard.

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this protects the process, which is for the benefit of all concerned.

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so at this point, I'd like to swear in, uh, witnesses tonight. Anyone intending to

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address the commission or provide public comment on any administrative cases

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must be sworn in. Please stand, raise your right hand

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and answer in the affirmative after I state the question, the statement,

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do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in your testimony

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to the commission tonight? Thank you all very much.

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okay. Our first case tonight is case number 25 dash 0 9 9

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ccp emerald parkway mixed use concept plan

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req. It's a request for review and non biting feedback for the construction of a new mixed

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use development. The 16 acre site is currently zoned plan commercial

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district pcd thomas kohler, and is located at the northeast

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corner of the intersection of emerald parkway and warner temple road.

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we're gonna start, as I stated before with the applicant's presentation.

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good evening. Uh, phil raey, uh, executive vice president of antitrust

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real estate address is 9 5 5 yard street and anna brown,

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uh, who's the lead developer on this project for us.

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zach, you get it pulled up. Uh, so again, welcome commission

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members. Uh, thank you for having us. We're really excited to hear your feedback, um, on

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this project. We've, uh, we've owned this site for quite some time and we've gone

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through a lot of different iterations throughout the years, and, and we think we've probably settled on

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one that, um, we're really excited to share tonight. Um,

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I move this here. So just a little bit about van trusts. Uh, I think you're

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familiar with maybe some of our projects in the city. Uh, we're a family owned national developer

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headquartered in kansas city, and we have an office in columbus, jacksonville, dallas,

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phoenix, and salt lake city. Uh, primarily we got our start in office in industrial

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development, and we have done some mixed use projects, uh, throughout the country.

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one of the bigger ones we've done is, uh, the point at polaris, which is up at 71 and

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gemini parkway, mix of office, multifamily, retail and,

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and parking garage. So, um, as some

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of you may know, we bought the emerald parkway site and the parkwood land,

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uh, together from duke realty in 2016. We've,

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um, actually did a land swap of the city of dublin in 2022

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for the parkwood uh, piece. And then we ended up developing an industrial

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building on crosby court. That was a speculative building. Uh, it's the

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building that ineos has their office and lab in it. So again, we do a

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variety of property, uh, uses throughout the city. So

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over the nine years since we've owned this prop property, we've done, um,

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a lot of different concept plans. As you can imagine, I think we're into the twenties and thirties,

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uh, on our share file in the office, but we created one in 2024.

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we were gonna bring it in front of the commission, but we decided with the envision dublin plan,

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let's, let's hold off and wait and, and make sure that we create something that

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hopefully is responsive to that plan and that you've created.

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and, and honestly, I think from our standpoint, we think we've created

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a more thoughtful, um, plan in a variety of different uses

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based on that envision dublin plan. So we're really excited to hear,

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uh, your feedback tonight. Anna brown's gonna kind of dive into the details

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of our vision and happy to answer questions, uh, when we're done. Thank

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you. Thank you.

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um, so like phil mentioned, we initially submitted in early 2024

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to bring a plan before you, we decided to pull that plan back, let

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the envision dublin community plan be adopted, and then take

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a fresh look at our site plan and try to create something that hopefully mirrors

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what, um, the emerald corridor special area plan reflects.

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um, and so in doing that, we wanted to focus on a thoughtful mix of,

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uses, a variety of open spaces, walkability, and connectivity,

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and to really make sure we're not only creating a successful development,

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but really adding amenities that can support the office, the current

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office uses and future office uses in that area. Um,

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as you can see, we closely resemble the building layout of the plan. On the left here,

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you have the special area plan. On the right, you have our, um,

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site plan. Um, we closely resembled the building layout and the

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distribution of uses. We've also tried to match, um, the landscaping screening

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and the desire for street scaped private drives,

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connecting east to west throughout the site plan. Um,

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again, we really wanted to take a fresh set of eyes and make sure that we're being responsive to

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the plan that was most recently adopted within the city.

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um, so now to walk through our plan. So I'm gonna start on the north side, which is page left. So

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throughout the site plan, we have a variety of open spaces, um,

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included the largest being on this northern portion. So the

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goal of this is to preserve the george geary run tree

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line as it runs kind of east to west. Also, to provide

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a large open space that adds not only to this project, but to the area. You can see

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that we've included a large walking path, a large pond.

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um, we'll show some photos later in the presentation that kind of represents

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the feel we're trying to achieve here. Um, as discussed with staff,

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we'd be open to dedicating this as and donating it as a public park.

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um, but it's really meant to kind of establish the feel of what we're trying

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to accomplish here. Um, adjacent to that, you'll find the amenities for

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the residential uses. The clubhouse is designed to

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offer fitness, um, lounge and coworking space

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to the residences. We've also included a pool and, um, pickleball courts

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here. So moving down further south to the residential uses. So

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I'll start on the western boundary. On emerald parkway, we are showing three

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story town homes right here. Um, the special area plan called for

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one to two story commercial uses office uses here, um, at

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a three story residential building. We're actually only five to six feet higher

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than showing two story commercial office here. Um, the reason for deviating

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from the plan in this area is

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we all know the challenges with the office market today. And although the

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properties across the street, I believe are fairly successful, it is

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challenging to build new product to compete with that, where your rents are going to

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be significantly higher and to fill those when a tenant could happily

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go across the street. Um, so that's why we deviated there, but we wanted to

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be really thoughtful. In doing so, you'll see in the elevations that we've added really unique

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architectural characteristics here to add to the character along

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emerald parkway. Zach, you can say that last one for me. Um, also including

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a sidewalk and walkups to the ground level entrances to really again, establish

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that neighborhood feel. Um, and then working back towards the east,

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we're showing another variety of town home product here. This does not include

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the tuck under garages. Um, in total we're at 35 town homes.

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those are all ranging from two to three bedrooms. The middle town home product

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is meant to offer a variety of character and then also maybe achieve a

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different, um, price point for a similar use. And then continuing

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east, another place that we differ from the special area plan is

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the plan shows the existing tree line remaining that runs,

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um, in the northern middle portion of the site. We're showing

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a, a landscape sidewalk connecting the southern retail uses all the way up

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to the northern uses here, as opposed to keeping the tree line. Um,

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our initial review of the tree line is that due to the varying

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grades, it will be challenging to preserve those trees as you grade

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the site to bring it up to street level, um, and be consistent. We

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are conducting a tree study, um, to help us analyze this. And

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we're committing to committed to a tree replacement program to make sure that

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although we're taking away, we're, we're equally adding to the site, um,

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further east. So we show four story multifamily product

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here, um, three buildings. And the layout of this was really replicating

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the special area plan. Um, so we're showing about 210

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units in this four story product. The

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northern two buildings are roughly 80,000 square feet in total. And then the

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southern building being about 50, 55,000 square feet. Um,

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again, the character of each building is supposed to be different. So you're not looking at these

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big blocks of a commercial product. Um, it's supposed to be broken up by

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landscaping for this community feel. Um, like I mentioned, the main amenities

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are on the northern portion of the site, but you'll see we have other amenities sprinkled

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throughout. Um, this is for not only the benefit of the residents,

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but also to break up the buildings and, uh, break up the parking on site so

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you don't feel like you have these big chunks of parking because this is a surface parked project,

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um, for parking for ratios. So at a studio to one

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bed, we're showing one spot per unit at a two bed. We're at one and a half

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per unit. And then a town home, we're at two per unit, which brings

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you to just under 350 spaces for the residential uses.

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um, moving down further south. So you'll see, I guess

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I'll, I'll go back for one second. So you see we've added two private drives here, one

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through the center of the site, one kind of separating the main retail

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from the main residential area. Um, the addition of these were really

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through feedback from the staff that we wanted to create a very street

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scaped entrance on either side, um, of the project.

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think of it as though you have a front door on both the east and the west side. Um, we've added

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side sidewalks along those private drives. On the center one, you'll

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see that we've added parallel parking, um, and walk-ups to the ground

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floor units. Um, and then along parkwood, I know there was a

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desire, which we agree with to activate parkwood drive. And so

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we've designed these four story buildings to really have a front door on parkwood,

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although they'll also be accessed from the east. Again, you'll see parallel parking,

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landscaping sidewalks and walk-ups to the ground floor units.

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um, moving down to the retail, so the retail plan,

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although similar to the special area plan deviates slightly, and this is really due to

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market feedback. We've brought this in front of a handful of retail

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brokers in the area with the goal of how do we bring really quality

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tenants to this project that not only will serve the residents that are

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gonna live here, but also the surrounding office areas. Um, we've also met

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with a handful of office neighbors and they

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shared similar sentiment that we need to add amenities to this area. Their employees are

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looking for somewhere to go after work for lunch, things like that. Um,

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so that feedback drove not only the layout but also the size.

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the outlaw on the southeastern portion is about 3,500 square

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feet. That likely feels like it would be an elevated fast casual

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or coffee concept here. Um, in the middle you'll see an

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inline retail building that can serve retail office, daycare,

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medical uses, um, as it sees fit. And then on the

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southeastern portion, it's shown as about 3,500

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square feet. It could be expanded, and that's really meant to accommodate a restaurant use.

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you can see we've shown another pond here with outside seating to create

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a really cool destination for residents and neighbors in this area.

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um, you'll see here that we've also included two drive-throughs.

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and again, that was based on feedback we've received from the market that if you really

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wanna bring quality national credit tenants, tenants

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that are gonna enhance the area a drive-through is a necessity for those

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tenants. Um, again, we wanna be really thoughtful in how we curate

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a tenant mix here, that they can be impactful to not only this project, but

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also to the development as a whole. Um,

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I just wanna call out, we've touched on it slightly, the pedestrian connections that we've developed here.

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and so there's an existing, um, sidewalk loop around the

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project. We obviously intend to maintain that as well as add a handful

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of connections cutting through the project. This is designed, um,

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to really integrate the mix of uses from the south all the way to the north so that

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this area is not only accessed by car, but it can really be accessed by pedestrians

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as well. Um, it also calls out, uh, the handful of green spaces that

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we've included in the project. And then as

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I mentioned before, we've included a handful, um, of imagery references just

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to create, help create the field that we're trying to achieve here. Again, it's supposed

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to be very neighborhood friendly, walkable, um, and inviting to the community,

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not, you know, a a cold, harsh commercial use that kind of sticks

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out within the neighborhood in the area. And then we've

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included elevations, um, of each of the residential uses. So these are the tuck under town

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homes that we've included on emerald parkway. We're using natural, natural

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colored materials here. Um, again, the peak roofs we thought would

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be complimentary to the peak roofs across the street at the camden office product.

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um, we've added kind of those moon arches over the doors and a couple other

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interesting architectural features, again, to elevate the curb

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appeal along emerald parkway. And then next you'll see

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the additional, um, town

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home use. Yep, right there. Um, again, variety in

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terms of the, the residential buildings, again, very thoughtful in the details

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that we're including. It's supposed to kind of break up the site plan. And then

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the third one we've included is the four story, um,

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residential buildings, again, balconies. We're trying to both meet

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what the market is telling us that tenants want and create a product that's desirable and

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fits in with the area. And then we've also included, um,

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a retail image as well. Again, we're showing flat roofs here, natural,

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um, materials, a variety of materials used across the site that while they're

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different they still compliment each other. Um, and then I'll just close here with

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a handful of images. Again, trying to

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establish the type of feel that we'd like this product to be. Um,

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we want it to be very high quality, very inviting. It's worth

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mentioning. Um, we did conduct a market study when trying to design

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the residential and the rents we're trying to achieve here

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average about $2,000 per month. So ranging from studio

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to town home, it's about, our target is about 1300 to

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$3,000 a month. So we're trying to create a high quality product here.

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um, we hope that the community likes it. We hope it's well expected or well received

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and happy to answer questions.

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alright, thank you very much mr. Hounsell.

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great, thank you very much and good evening. Um, I will do my best to keep this brief,

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uh, as there was a great explanation of the project, uh, for the process. This

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is a concept plan that the applicant has brought forward. This is a first step in what would

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be a plan unit development process. Um, so the purpose of the concept

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plan is for the commission to provide non-binding feedback and guidance for

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the development. Really what's being considered tonight is alignment with the community

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plan and its recommendations, um, providing feedback on the general layout and

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the land uses densities, um, street scapes in

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the open space framework and just understanding how it integrates with the surrounding areas.

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so, uh, there's no determination tonight, but there is just a request for non-binding

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feedback. So this site is, uh, approximately 16 acres

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in size. It's highlighted in yellow. Uh, it is zoned thomas

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kohler, which is a planned development district. Uh, some of these surrounding

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contexts here, you have neighborhood office to the west. You have,

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uh, what will be, uh, an additional neighborhood office in the southwest

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corner at that intersection, which is that shiha law office that was approved.

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um, in previous years. You have the corporate office buildings to the, the

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east and northeast. And then you have a, uh, retail commercial

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center to the south of the site. Uh, there are some natural features

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existing on the site, which would be the glen gary ditched at the northern point of the

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site. And then the, uh, row of mature

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trees, which you can see

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maybe there we go. Um, on the images on the screen,

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uh, that are called out in the community plan recommendations.

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so the community plan does offer recommendations at a very broad

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level with the future land use plan. Again, the community plan was adopted last year,

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uh, and does provide recommendations throughout the city. For this site,

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it is recommended to be a mixed use neighborhood designation. The intent

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of this is for a neighborhood services located near existing and future residential neighborhoods

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that are walkable, auto accessible and scaled to neighborhoods.

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uh, generally the principal uses that are recommended within these districts are office

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commercial, uh, retail, eating and drinking with single family

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and multifamily residential as supporting uses. And then there are other,

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uh, development characteristics that you can see. Uh, now this is

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very broad in what it recommends is this is applicable to any

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property within the city dublin that is zone is designated for mixed

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use neighborhood. Um, the community plan also does have more

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specific recommendations within six special area plans. Uh, this site is located

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within the emerald corridor, which, uh, has more site

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specific recommendations that would be applicable, uh, to this site.

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and you can see that here on the screen with the image that's provided. Uh,

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the special area plan calls out the parkwood mixed use area,

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uh, and provides the concept that is shown on the screen. Some of the recommendations

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include a mix of uses such as uh, neighborhood scale, office, residential

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uses and supporting commercial. Typically, uh, what's

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expected here would be the buildings are fronting out on the street with shared parking to the rear

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of the buildings. Uh, the massing here is proposed or expected,

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recommended to be one to two stories along emerald parkway with a max of four stories

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along parkwood place. And the intent of that is to provide a transition from the

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existing neighborhood office that is located to the west of the site and then to the more corporate

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office and interstate sites that we have to the east. Additional

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recommendations are preserving the existing tree stand through the center of the site,

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maintaining the green character, uh, along emerald parkway, providing a gateway

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location at the route at the intersection of warner temple and emerald

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parkway and then activating parkwood place.

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so on the screen you'll see a comparison, uh, of the concept plan

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on the left that's being proposed by the applicant. And then the emerald corridor special

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area plan concept that's shown on the right now the special area

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plan recommendation. This is not intended to show exactly how this should

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develop. It is intended to show how the recommendations can be met for the site.

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so it can differ from this, but this is just an example, uh, to give more of a visual understanding

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of what these recommendations mean. Uh, I won't dive too much into the project

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as that has already been summarized, but focused more on what the discussion questions are

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tonight. Uh, the focus for the discussion questions would be around the massing

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shown along emerald parkway. As stated, these are three story townhomes,

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uh, that are shown along this frontage. Again, that does exceed what is

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recommended. Um, however, the commission should consider whether this type of

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massing is appropriate given the neighborhood office scale that's on the west side of

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the street. Additionally, having residential along emerald parkway is something

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the commission should provide their feedback on. Um, as within the concept,

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it does show neighborhood office, um, but within the text it does not state

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directly that it needs to be neighborhood office along along that frontage. So that is something

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that, uh, staff and the applicant are looking for feedback on. Uh, the open

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space framework, this is showing a new public park and the northern point

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and then there are smaller passive spaces spread throughout the site. So the applicant

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is looking for feedback on how they're showing open space. Um, and then the

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final discussion question is about the commercial space at the southern portion of

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the site. One of the recommendations is at the intersection that it'd be a gateway

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location currently that's shown as a drive-through. Um, so understanding

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where the commission stands with how this is being laid out with the commercial. Um,

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and then also whether drive-throughs are appropriate for the site and if they are,

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what's the appropriate location for them too.

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so with that, uh, those are our discussion questions tonight. More than happy to answer

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any questions. Thank you. So point of order,

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this is at the point where we can ask the applicant and staff questions before we go into

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comm. Thank you. Just clarifying. So at this point I'm gonna look to the

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commission for questions for the applicant or staff.

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mr. Chinook? Yes. You knew I was gonna call on you. I know, I know.

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uh, thank you, uh, for coming. Thank you for your presentation. Uh, couple

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questions. The, um, I mean this is for, I should start

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with staff. So, so there's along, I'm parkway there's three story town homes.

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obviously, you know, I know we talk about stories and height or very different things, but

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we're calling these three stories. And then the architecture showing a large peak, almost making 'em

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closer to four stories. , if you include attic space, is that, I mean, where

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is it? Where do we stand on that height?

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we would consider them three story similar to how a single story building the,

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the neighborhood office across the street. Those are one story buildings, but because of the

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roof type they do appear taller, so. Okay, thank you.

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um, then I guess a question for the, uh, applicant. One of the, um, and I'm trying to understand

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that the topography along erd parkway, there's, there's,

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um, existing mounting there now and it looks like I can kind of see the topo

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lines on this plan. Is that still the intent is to maintain the

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mounting along emerald parkway that's there today? The, from

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the grass, the grass mounting? Um, I don't believe the intent is

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to maintain the, the mounting. It's, it's to even the grade across,

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but we'll provide appropriate setbacks. Okay. And along those same lines, you

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talk a lot about um, connectivity, pedestrian connectivity, which is

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great. Mm-hmm . Um, when you think about, and I know this isn't necessarily in your realm here, but

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as you look at this plan where you've got the, the property to the

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east, significant part of the whole development connectivity to

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that. Can you speak a little bit about, I guess the east and west too? We've got

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all this co corporate office space across the street when you talked about having the

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opportunity for restaurant spaces to support that. Um, we're not showing

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a lot of connectivity between those two uh, properties.

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sure. I'll start with the east. So as seen in the special area plan, obviously the eastern

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side is intended to be an area of development. That's one of the main reasons

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why we made parkwood appear as though it's the front door. So you're not coming

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into the backside of a development to access it. Parkwood

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itself should be fully street scaped landscaped with entrances into the

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park. You can see the, the four curb cuts were showing on the

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eastern side of this with obviously sidewalks lining each of those.

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um, you could enter in between each individual building. And then that's also

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why we've shown the interior pedestrian connections to be able to

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walk about the site as well. And not just around it to where you feel

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like you're fighting with cars in the middle. Um, on the western side, again, we tried to

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line up or we did line up with the curb cuts on the other side of the building.

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you can see on the northern and southern boundary of the properties to the west, we're aligning

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the sidewalk connection point as well. So at some point, I guess

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the future plan would be, um, some sort of walkway across

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emerald parkway at that connection point? That would probably be desired, yes. Or some

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sort of. Okay. Thank you. And then can you talk

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a little bit about, as you, again, I know we're, you know, kinda using the envision dublin as a guide, which obviously

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appreciate, um, can you talk a little bit about the breakout of the

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space? 'cause you know, you've got the, to the plan south, you've got the, the four

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story multifamily building that's kind of out there on an island surrounded by this re re retail

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restaurant space. Um, can you talk about how that that site interacts and did you

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consider more of a pure mix of restaurant retail

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within the, within the residential as well as a

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opportunity? Sure. So the way we've designed it is a mix of uses

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versus within one building. Having first floor retail and then multifamily

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above. That's, it's more challenging to create. Um, that was one of

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the reasons why we put a smaller multifamily building down there to

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connect the two pieces. So you didn't feel like you had a clean break at that private drive

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entrance? I dunno if you wanna touch on the, yeah, and again, I think the other idea is just really

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to create a neighborhood mm-hmm . So again, we want people out of the units walking around interacting with, you

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know, the great park park system that the city has and the walkways and the

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jogging pass. Again, as anna mentioned on the property of the east,

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if and when that develops, we wanna be able to easily connect to that. Again, the city

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owns the parkwood site. We think that by activating this site it'll create a new energy

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for this area and help, you know, land a user that they want on

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that, on that highway ground there. And then thank, thank you. That's really helpful. And

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then as you look at how much residential is here versus the retail

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restaurant, you feel that the general public outside of the, the residents

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will feel comfortable coming onto the site and soliciting to different businesses here

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since it's so it is a very heavy residential development. Yeah, absolutely. And that was just another

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reason too, to separate the retail a little bit more where the general public could easily come

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and visit a restaurant or any of the retailers that are in the, the inline

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space was again just a, you want everybody be able to use it, not just the residents.

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okay. Sorry, one more and then, uh, one more question for the applicant along

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the arch on this standpoint of the architecture, uh, really, really nice design.

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and you mentioned you feel, can you talk a little bit more how you feel it fits? 'cause it looks

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judging by what's going on in the area. I would say it looks a little bit foreign to

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what's happening there now, but I want, I wanna hear your perspective on how you feel it fits with

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the design style. I mean the, the residential residential

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specific. I feel like I, sure, I hear what you're saying on the, the retail space 'cause it does fit, but

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along the residential site, can you talk a little bit more about the architecture? Sure. I think the intent behind

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it was, although you're creating a new product, we wanted to take anything

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ultramodern out of the inspiration of it. I feel like you see a lot of, whether it be

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downtown or suburban new residential product is very, very modern. We did not want

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that to be the case in this area. Um, we try to stay away,

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although we're showing a darker product on the eastern side, we try to stay away from very

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harsh materials and harsh colors, that kind of contrast. Um, again,

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incorporating natural materials. And again, I think what

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we will add to the area, although it doesn't exactly replicate, is using different

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materials and having a different look for each building will make it integrate with the

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neighborhood as opposed to standing out as a, a chunk on its own.

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thank you

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ms. Arger. Thank you. Thank you for being here and thank you for

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meeting with the businesses around the area. I think that's, uh, a good,

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um, perspective to kind of get about where we're going with this as well too.

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um, when you think about the amenities, I see where they're gonna be able to do some

431
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walking, things like that and, uh, I would think they wouldn't be able to use the pool.

432
00:31:12,275 --> 00:31:15,615
um, correct that, but, uh, is, would the pickleball

433
00:31:16,355 --> 00:31:20,175
be open to the public? We've debated

434
00:31:20,495 --> 00:31:24,215
on the appropriate way to make it available to the prob to the public. It's intended

435
00:31:24,555 --> 00:31:28,495
to be for the private residential use. I know other, other

436
00:31:29,245 --> 00:31:32,765
projects in the area or ohio region have figured out the right way where it is

437
00:31:33,465 --> 00:31:37,365
for the residents, but you can reserve it via a public link that allows

438
00:31:37,645 --> 00:31:41,445
others to access. We haven't quite figured out the right way to do that, but it is something we're

439
00:31:41,725 --> 00:31:45,165
looking into. Once you figure that out, do you think you'll be, um, whichever

440
00:31:45,745 --> 00:31:49,645
way you go, the landscaping would change with that too, is have you thought

441
00:31:49,805 --> 00:31:53,515
a little bit about that because you don't want, you know, the public to go fall

442
00:31:53,835 --> 00:31:57,805
into the, you know, say I'm gonna go swimming today and then they can't. Sure, sure. That's fair.

443
00:31:57,985 --> 00:32:01,965
no, you, it's a well taken point. You would appropriately landscape and fence it so that you

444
00:32:02,085 --> 00:32:04,075
understood the break in public to private area.

445
00:32:06,145 --> 00:32:10,055
and then, um, I guess I've got a couple questions. Um, thinking about,

446
00:32:11,305 --> 00:32:14,345
um, the, um,

447
00:32:16,475 --> 00:32:19,515
oops, I'm sorry, one second here. Um, parking

448
00:32:20,515 --> 00:32:24,345
with the townhomes. So if I understand correctly, you can

449
00:32:24,565 --> 00:32:28,525
park, there's a garage with it, is that correct? Just on the five

450
00:32:28,765 --> 00:32:32,645
smaller buildings on the western boundary and then there's one slightly,

451
00:32:33,265 --> 00:32:37,235
uh, southeast of those. Okay. And then, then there would be, um, a place like

452
00:32:38,035 --> 00:32:41,905
that you could park another car. So that would be two cars, is that correct? So the

453
00:32:42,145 --> 00:32:46,045
one would go in a garage and then there would be a, a allocated parking spaces

454
00:32:46,405 --> 00:32:50,405
that you could park elsewhere, a pavement, a pavement that you could park your second

455
00:32:50,705 --> 00:32:54,375
car. Is that correct? Yes. It wouldn't, I wouldn't imagine that it's designated

456
00:32:55,045 --> 00:32:58,885
to that area, but it's accounted for within the mix of the parking

457
00:32:59,085 --> 00:33:02,685
available to the project. Okay. It's hard for me to, to see that. 'cause I would think that

458
00:33:03,205 --> 00:33:06,995
I would drive into my garage and then behind me would be another spot that

459
00:33:07,565 --> 00:33:11,525
I could park my other car. Yeah. If I, you know, is that true

460
00:33:12,595 --> 00:33:16,575
or you're figuring that out? I think figuring that out. Okay. Okay. Yeah, so, so then

461
00:33:16,855 --> 00:33:20,305
I get to the number of parking that's there 'cause it still looks

462
00:33:21,095 --> 00:33:25,055
a lot of parking and so, um, is that something

463
00:33:25,335 --> 00:33:29,155
you're taking into effect the number that may be parked in a garage or

464
00:33:29,375 --> 00:33:32,995
parked on a slab? Is that, so in the ratios

465
00:33:33,415 --> 00:33:37,055
that we provided at studio and one bedrooms, one per unit, two bedrooms,

466
00:33:37,535 --> 00:33:41,375
one and a half, and then town homes two per unit, that's all those ratios are

467
00:33:41,735 --> 00:33:45,435
included in the 340 spaces. And the three 40 is reflective of

468
00:33:45,915 --> 00:33:49,735
the 50 town home spaces as well as the surface parking. So do you count the one in the garage

469
00:33:50,155 --> 00:33:54,135
as a parking spot? Yes. Like that's counted? Yes. Okay. Just clarifying, just

470
00:33:54,375 --> 00:33:58,255
making sure I'm on the right track with that. And then the sidewalks, will they

471
00:33:58,455 --> 00:34:02,015
be widened to what, you know, envision dublin's leaning

472
00:34:02,495 --> 00:34:06,125
towards and so forth? They're, they're right now, if you go out there now it's, it's,

473
00:34:06,515 --> 00:34:10,405
you know, the three I guess feet or something of that sort smaller,

474
00:34:10,915 --> 00:34:14,895
but it's something we could explore. We haven't heard that detail. Yes. Yeah. So that like

475
00:34:15,175 --> 00:34:18,995
if you're with a stroller, you can walk by it. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds good. Okay. And

476
00:34:19,215 --> 00:34:22,735
then, um, are the, are the town homes that are in the middle

477
00:34:23,325 --> 00:34:27,195
that, that change up a little bit? Um, do they have balconies or are those the

478
00:34:27,475 --> 00:34:31,265
juliet those are shown with balconies, interior balconies,

479
00:34:31,615 --> 00:34:35,585
correct. You can pardon me. Uh, with within, not on the corner. So it's

480
00:34:35,825 --> 00:34:39,785
not as though the, the edges are flanked with balconies, but on the front of the building

481
00:34:40,005 --> 00:34:43,985
you can see, um, on the elevation we have included balconies. And you're saying I can walk out on it?

482
00:34:44,645 --> 00:34:48,345
uh, yes, the, the, uh, grade level ones are designed that you could walk out.

483
00:34:48,975 --> 00:34:52,465
okay. Okay. Put some furniture out there. Yes. Okay. .

484
00:34:53,285 --> 00:34:56,745
and then, um, a couple things, let me get my question here. Right.

485
00:34:57,405 --> 00:35:01,005
um, so concerning

486
00:35:01,675 --> 00:35:05,495
the drive-throughs, um, I guess I'm understanding

487
00:35:05,895 --> 00:35:09,595
that you looked and, and in the scheme

488
00:35:10,015 --> 00:35:14,015
of things, it sounds like drive-throughs are in and that will bring some

489
00:35:14,295 --> 00:35:18,245
more people to the area. Um, have

490
00:35:18,555 --> 00:35:22,285
you looked at or thinking about how many cars

491
00:35:22,875 --> 00:35:26,605
stacks and would you need to know what type of product they

492
00:35:26,895 --> 00:35:30,715
would be selling to know if cars could be stacked and if

493
00:35:30,935 --> 00:35:33,175
there's prob problematic problems with that?

494
00:35:35,255 --> 00:35:39,205
yes, you would need to know that and you would look into that as we got smarter on the use or

495
00:35:39,405 --> 00:35:43,385
the tenant that we're able to bring to the project. But today you're asking for two, if

496
00:35:43,605 --> 00:35:47,485
I'm hearing that correct? Yes. So, uh, a city question, um, would they need

497
00:35:47,725 --> 00:35:50,905
to come back to this body to discuss? Um,

498
00:35:52,275 --> 00:35:56,125
yeah, if they were doing that? Yeah, thank you. So because

499
00:35:56,635 --> 00:36:00,565
this would be a part of a plan unit, development district, the next step would

500
00:36:00,845 --> 00:36:04,485
be the preliminary development plan and rezoning, which includes the development text.

501
00:36:04,985 --> 00:36:08,885
so that's where we would find and figure out what is appropriate for

502
00:36:09,085 --> 00:36:12,955
the site, whether it's, you know, whether it is drive-throughs and

503
00:36:13,175 --> 00:36:17,155
how many, um, where those would be located. That's, that would all be handled at, at

504
00:36:17,375 --> 00:36:21,105
a next step. Okay. And at that point we may not know what, who

505
00:36:21,385 --> 00:36:25,315
may be, um, you know, partaking in it, you know,

506
00:36:25,395 --> 00:36:29,355
what business is there. Correct. But we would, we would

507
00:36:29,435 --> 00:36:33,275
be outlining requirements for stacking at that point. Okay. And then

508
00:36:33,595 --> 00:36:37,495
I had one question also, I I couldn't find if there was some busing around

509
00:36:37,915 --> 00:36:41,915
there too. Um, bus that's on like parkwood or something of

510
00:36:42,035 --> 00:36:45,855
that sort? So there's actually a spot on the site. Um,

511
00:36:46,075 --> 00:36:49,955
it's where that southern curb cut is, um, I'm trying

512
00:36:50,115 --> 00:36:54,115
to highlight it on the screen. Um, that is dedicated space for a bus

513
00:36:54,345 --> 00:36:58,195
pull off, but I do not believe we have a bus route

514
00:36:58,515 --> 00:37:01,355
there today. Tina, you wanna chime in on this?

515
00:37:03,235 --> 00:37:07,155
I think that's right, but I think coda is actually looking at adding a line line 30, um, that could potentially

516
00:37:07,675 --> 00:37:10,115
use that space. Okay, great. Thank you.

517
00:37:11,825 --> 00:37:13,975
thank you. Thank you mr. Alexander.

518
00:37:16,885 --> 00:37:20,855
zach, a couple questions about terminology. Um, all the

519
00:37:21,215 --> 00:37:24,795
documents refer to the residential as a supporting use.

520
00:37:25,705 --> 00:37:28,915
there are a lot of implications. Does that mean secondary

521
00:37:30,025 --> 00:37:31,365
to the other uses on the site?

522
00:37:34,295 --> 00:37:37,855
so within the, the parkwood mixed use

523
00:37:39,595 --> 00:37:43,505
recommendations, so there's a page within the community plan that talks

524
00:37:44,055 --> 00:37:47,735
specifically to this site. It talks about a mix of neighborhood

525
00:37:48,575 --> 00:37:51,785
office, residential and supporting commercial.

526
00:37:53,195 --> 00:37:57,115
so in that sense it does not talk about it being a supporting use. Now

527
00:37:57,335 --> 00:38:01,215
in our, um, the example that we have on the screen,

528
00:38:01,825 --> 00:38:05,655
again that looks at more than just this site. It looks as you

529
00:38:05,855 --> 00:38:09,285
go along two 70 and then further to the north. So residential

530
00:38:09,975 --> 00:38:13,895
is something that is contemplated, um, within this, this area.

531
00:38:14,775 --> 00:38:18,615
I see. So it's broader. Um, another question. Can I, can I piggy back off of that? So the

532
00:38:18,815 --> 00:38:22,685
community plan though, speaking of this as a mixed use neighborhood site,

533
00:38:24,155 --> 00:38:27,835
the future land use yes. Yes. Speaks to it being a secondary use.

534
00:38:29,355 --> 00:38:33,175
it does, but the more specific site recommendations for the special

535
00:38:33,445 --> 00:38:37,445
area plan call out that this is not, it would not be

536
00:38:37,605 --> 00:38:41,605
supporting that it is considered as a principle use. I think you I

537
00:38:41,725 --> 00:38:44,685
recommended as one. Yes. I just wanted to clarify that between the two documents. Thank you.

538
00:38:46,195 --> 00:38:50,085
alright, second question about terminology. Terminology shared parking

539
00:38:50,325 --> 00:38:54,015
means different things. Now what the applicant

540
00:38:54,355 --> 00:38:58,295
has done is done a strict parking count based on uses. But does the

541
00:38:58,495 --> 00:39:02,265
community, the city ever allow for those

542
00:39:02,845 --> 00:39:05,635
uses that are complimentary, sharing the same spaces?

543
00:39:07,205 --> 00:39:10,985
we have done that, yes. And that's certainly something that could be contemplated here. I believe

544
00:39:11,265 --> 00:39:15,045
that what the applicant had done with this is take their units and

545
00:39:15,295 --> 00:39:19,085
provide a standard, uh, amount of parking that they would need. And

546
00:39:19,305 --> 00:39:23,265
then I think the same with the commercial. So I think that's on, just based on what is out there.

547
00:39:23,415 --> 00:39:27,415
it's not based on opportunity to share, it's just in shared locations. Okay,

548
00:39:27,955 --> 00:39:31,905
thank you. 'cause that could have a lot of benefits. Um, a couple

549
00:39:32,265 --> 00:39:35,905
questions for the applicant. How are you? Well, our, our neighborhood

550
00:39:38,345 --> 00:39:42,045
plan, the, um, one of the plans calls out for a hundred feet right

551
00:39:42,395 --> 00:39:45,895
away along, um, emerald parkway. Now

552
00:39:46,425 --> 00:39:50,225
tell me why you've chosen to depart from that. So we, based

553
00:39:50,995 --> 00:39:54,605
on the 30 foot setback that's shown in the special area plan.

554
00:39:56,165 --> 00:39:59,695
okay. So since we have contradictory plans, you chose the one most beneficial?

555
00:40:00,235 --> 00:40:04,095
yes, . Okay. Alright, fair enough. Um, how'd you come up with a number units

556
00:40:04,555 --> 00:40:04,895
on the site?

557
00:40:08,665 --> 00:40:12,425
? That's a great question. As a developer, we always want more density, but again, we're trying

558
00:40:12,785 --> 00:40:16,545
to be respectful of the community plan, not do something that's gonna be overwhelming

559
00:40:17,205 --> 00:40:21,185
for the, for the neighborhood. Um, still hopefully make the project feasible

560
00:40:21,645 --> 00:40:25,635
and it's, it's certainly a, an art to get that to happen. But, um, again,

561
00:40:26,185 --> 00:40:29,625
I think breaking up the residential buildings and creating, trying to create a neighborhood

562
00:40:30,475 --> 00:40:34,335
there, there was just kind of a, a hope to get close to 200 units or just

563
00:40:34,625 --> 00:40:38,225
above that. And, and last question, how are you addressing

564
00:40:38,845 --> 00:40:42,825
the scale? I know jamie asked a question about the materials of those buildings

565
00:40:43,335 --> 00:40:47,025
that are across the street. How are you addressing the scale of those

566
00:40:47,385 --> 00:40:51,355
buildings? So we've started, and, and zach and I have had a lot of

567
00:40:51,515 --> 00:40:55,275
conversations about the desire to step up as you move towards the east towards

568
00:40:55,735 --> 00:40:59,695
two 70. That's why we've shown the tallest buildings of four story on

569
00:40:59,915 --> 00:41:03,745
the eastern side. As you look across the site, you step up in height, understanding

570
00:41:04,595 --> 00:41:08,595
that the, the camden buildings on the western side are at a lower height

571
00:41:09,055 --> 00:41:12,715
in the town homes that we're showing. We're hoping by not only stepping up height

572
00:41:13,095 --> 00:41:16,635
on our site, but by showing the different product types within the residential

573
00:41:17,725 --> 00:41:21,635
realm, that it also helps with that massing effect again, so you don't feel like you're staring

574
00:41:21,955 --> 00:41:25,795
at one very large building. Okay. Thank you. Thank you

575
00:41:27,775 --> 00:41:28,175
mr. Disher.

576
00:41:32,785 --> 00:41:36,745
thanks kim. Hey zach, I wanna go back on the, the question that gary asked and,

577
00:41:36,965 --> 00:41:40,225
uh, kim followed up on about the, the, uh,

578
00:41:41,695 --> 00:41:44,855
special area plan, right? And then the envision dublin

579
00:41:46,395 --> 00:41:49,965
because they're, they're a little contradictory relative to primary and secondary

580
00:41:50,555 --> 00:41:53,745
uses. That's, that's fair, right? Yes. Okay. So

581
00:41:54,755 --> 00:41:57,875
what is the city's preference? So

582
00:41:58,915 --> 00:42:01,375
the future land use is kind of your 40,000

583
00:42:03,485 --> 00:42:07,395
foot high view and that's, that's part of the distinction in

584
00:42:08,165 --> 00:42:11,235
what is recommended here is kind of a catchall for

585
00:42:12,555 --> 00:42:16,375
any property in the city that has the mixed use neighborhood designation.

586
00:42:17,725 --> 00:42:21,495
when it comes to the special area plans, these are not applicable throughout the entire city,

587
00:42:21,875 --> 00:42:24,345
but just to key locations where

588
00:42:26,305 --> 00:42:29,605
we have more specific recommendations that we want to take into consideration. So

589
00:42:30,525 --> 00:42:34,325
I would say that the emerald corridor or special area plan is more specific

590
00:42:35,145 --> 00:42:39,105
in what is recommended and expected in these areas. So that's why we

591
00:42:39,565 --> 00:42:43,525
probably, we would consider the mixed use neighborhood in terms

592
00:42:43,685 --> 00:42:47,445
of its intent. But the emerald corridor or special area plan recommendations

593
00:42:48,085 --> 00:42:52,085
are more specific to this site. So that's where we're, there's a, there's a balancing

594
00:42:52,505 --> 00:42:56,485
act between those, those two that, um, you know,

595
00:42:56,565 --> 00:43:00,485
there are elements of it, but this is more specific and has those recommendations that do defer,

596
00:43:01,305 --> 00:43:03,845
um, a little bit from the future land use plan.

597
00:43:05,695 --> 00:43:09,675
right. Because here there's essentially zero office.

598
00:43:10,985 --> 00:43:14,905
let's, and that would be in

599
00:43:15,125 --> 00:43:19,045
violation of which one? Which one of the plans? I can't remember. Can't keep track of them. There's too many,

600
00:43:19,225 --> 00:43:21,605
but it's essentially it was it the city's expectation

601
00:43:23,245 --> 00:43:25,305
to have some type of office

602
00:43:27,255 --> 00:43:31,135
use at this site based on how we show the

603
00:43:31,355 --> 00:43:35,355
concept on the screen. It contemplates neighborhood, commercial, neighborhood office,

604
00:43:35,915 --> 00:43:39,845
suburban office, and mixed use residential. So a lot of horizontal

605
00:43:40,515 --> 00:43:44,315
mixed use rather than vertical mixed use here. I'm with you. Okay, thanks. I appreciate it.

606
00:43:46,015 --> 00:43:49,665
okay, a couple questions for the applicant. The, you had mentioned

607
00:43:50,045 --> 00:43:53,885
the, that tree line that was down the middle of

608
00:43:54,105 --> 00:43:57,975
the, that'd be difficult to kind of navigate, uh, with,

609
00:43:58,265 --> 00:44:02,075
with the design that you had, how, how much time did you spend

610
00:44:02,365 --> 00:44:06,255
evaluating potentially saving some of the components of that mature

611
00:44:06,675 --> 00:44:10,605
tree line? Our tree study is still underway, so we are in the

612
00:44:10,725 --> 00:44:14,585
early stages of that. Okay. The,

613
00:44:16,645 --> 00:44:20,625
gary had the question on the setback for, for, would you consider, how much evaluation

614
00:44:21,395 --> 00:44:25,235
did you do on some of that? Uh, the, that the

615
00:44:25,635 --> 00:44:29,425
retail component that fronts warner temple and,

616
00:44:29,705 --> 00:44:33,555
and, and emerald parkway? 'cause it feels like it's

617
00:44:34,305 --> 00:44:38,285
not, not in a bad way just kind of thrown down and I didn't know if there was any kind of

618
00:44:38,495 --> 00:44:42,285
other consideration about incorporating, you know, entering emeral parkway

619
00:44:42,835 --> 00:44:46,245
from, um, from tuttle incorporating some of

620
00:44:47,235 --> 00:44:49,965
some different architecture of those retail buildings.

621
00:44:52,075 --> 00:44:55,925
yeah, so we, we've started with kind of your standard setback and then that was

622
00:44:56,125 --> 00:45:00,125
one of the reasons we've also included abundant green space around it. Thinking

623
00:45:00,565 --> 00:45:04,325
that you could utilize that green space to add more interesting features,

624
00:45:04,905 --> 00:45:08,605
um, to both highlight the retail but then also add to

625
00:45:08,925 --> 00:45:12,855
the area some type of gateway feature or something like

626
00:45:12,975 --> 00:45:16,935
that. Sure. Consider that. It feels, I don't

627
00:45:17,095 --> 00:45:20,935
know, 'cause you know, that whole street, if you're, if you're continuing down there, there's a lot of like

628
00:45:23,795 --> 00:45:27,655
drive-throughs. I think I know the old steak and chick, I can't remember they're there. It just, it feels

629
00:45:28,125 --> 00:45:32,065
kind of not appropriate for that site. W would you, would

630
00:45:32,415 --> 00:45:36,315
you consider removing the drive-throughs and doing some other

631
00:45:36,515 --> 00:45:39,115
type of resident or retail in those in those areas?

632
00:45:41,235 --> 00:45:44,675
I think what's challenging is what we've heard from the market is that if you eliminate

633
00:45:45,275 --> 00:45:49,175
the drive-throughs, you're gonna be challenged to bring quality tenants to

634
00:45:49,555 --> 00:45:53,155
those buildings to fill those buildings and actually add amenities to the area.

635
00:45:56,455 --> 00:46:00,305
okay. What type of evaluation

636
00:46:01,005 --> 00:46:04,855
have you done relative to the open spaces? Because

637
00:46:05,335 --> 00:46:09,125
you know this, it's, it's fairly dense what you're proposing and it doesn't seem

638
00:46:09,565 --> 00:46:13,435
like certain of these apartments are

639
00:46:13,655 --> 00:46:16,375
gonna have a lot of green space to the extent they contemplate

640
00:46:17,735 --> 00:46:21,645
children being around. So what we've tried to do,

641
00:46:22,015 --> 00:46:25,525
while as phil mentioned, obviously as a developer you like to meet a certain density

642
00:46:26,025 --> 00:46:29,915
for the project. But so what we tried to do is you have this main park

643
00:46:30,205 --> 00:46:34,205
feature that's accessible from any residential building on the

644
00:46:34,325 --> 00:46:38,045
site, but then you have those different pockets. We're showing a dog park

645
00:46:38,545 --> 00:46:42,345
on kind of, I'll call it the, the southwestern corner of the residential. Um,

646
00:46:42,715 --> 00:46:46,565
each of the other, so the furthest north four story building

647
00:46:46,745 --> 00:46:50,165
and products would likely access the main amenity area.

648
00:46:50,945 --> 00:46:54,645
and then the, the buildings on the center, center and southern portion

649
00:46:55,065 --> 00:46:57,925
of the site, each of those have included a

650
00:46:59,335 --> 00:47:03,325
patio grill, lounge area, outdoor area that could be specific

651
00:47:03,545 --> 00:47:07,285
to that building. So that was something we tried to be thoughtful for that. If you feel

652
00:47:07,725 --> 00:47:10,585
like, hey, I, I leased the furthest southern, um,

653
00:47:11,765 --> 00:47:15,005
building on the site, I'm really disconnected from any sort of amenity area.

654
00:47:17,365 --> 00:47:20,915
okay. In addition, that's also why we included that center

655
00:47:22,135 --> 00:47:26,055
sidewalk, that that is straight from the northern to the southern portion, not obstructed

656
00:47:26,375 --> 00:47:29,675
or turning so that you feel as though I, I could enjoyably

657
00:47:30,475 --> 00:47:34,165
walk from one side to the other and access the main amenities in green space.

658
00:47:37,525 --> 00:47:40,975
and you, you had mentioned it earlier, I think there's potential contemplating, contemplating

659
00:47:42,125 --> 00:47:45,995
giving some of that land back to the city to run the park. Uh, that walking

660
00:47:46,385 --> 00:47:50,195
loop or, because I feel if you're, if you're, if you're thinking about this,

661
00:47:52,175 --> 00:47:55,725
I'm gonna let my kid go to a park that the may public could be there, it feels

662
00:47:57,135 --> 00:48:00,955
unsafe potentially. And that's what I was trying to get at it. Some of these buildings

663
00:48:02,555 --> 00:48:06,135
don't allow a contemplation of of um, I guess kids

664
00:48:07,205 --> 00:48:10,645
in a, in a small contained area. I understand it's from a apartment complex, but

665
00:48:11,375 --> 00:48:14,545
just having that, you know, ability to

666
00:48:15,685 --> 00:48:19,625
not be worried about something happening. And if you give the park up public, there's gonna be public walking

667
00:48:19,945 --> 00:48:23,785
around there. Um, and I'll tell you the pickleball thing is gonna be an interesting piece.

668
00:48:24,325 --> 00:48:27,295
if you, if you don't have it locked down, people will yeah.

669
00:48:28,335 --> 00:48:32,185
gravitate yep. To it. Um, real quick, and this is kinda

670
00:48:32,345 --> 00:48:36,235
my last que last question, the three story townhome piece along

671
00:48:37,585 --> 00:48:41,505
emerald. Was there any other consideration for, and I know that probably gonna talk

672
00:48:41,705 --> 00:48:45,305
about the lack of office, but from, if you're contemplating residential

673
00:48:45,865 --> 00:48:49,815
there, did you think of anything else on that frontage? 'cause

674
00:48:49,895 --> 00:48:53,735
it feels when you're, you know, you go out there, it doesn't really make sense

675
00:48:53,975 --> 00:48:57,855
with what's what across the street. Sure. So what we were trying to achieve

676
00:48:58,215 --> 00:49:01,925
there is shown on the special area plan is smaller office product

677
00:49:02,835 --> 00:49:06,375
likely designed to mirror the condo office across the street.

678
00:49:06,995 --> 00:49:10,875
so instead of putting a large block of a residential building, we

679
00:49:11,095 --> 00:49:14,915
tried to break up the massing so that the massing was similar, although the use was

680
00:49:15,135 --> 00:49:18,735
different. And then we tried to, we added the peaked

681
00:49:19,145 --> 00:49:22,995
roofs again to try to compliment the, the peaked roofs across the street. So

682
00:49:23,465 --> 00:49:27,215
maybe, maybe our intentions aren't deriving the correct

683
00:49:27,685 --> 00:49:31,625
product there, but we were trying to meet the desired massing along

684
00:49:31,975 --> 00:49:33,415
that street. I understand.

685
00:49:36,585 --> 00:49:40,565
I appreciate it. Thank you. I think I'm good, kim. Thank

686
00:49:40,915 --> 00:49:44,685
you. Um, I have a few questions. Um, I'd like to start

687
00:49:45,165 --> 00:49:48,315
first with the, with emerald parkway, miss waskowitz

688
00:49:49,475 --> 00:49:53,345
. Um, there, there's the two new proposed streets

689
00:49:54,655 --> 00:49:58,595
and then we have a relationship to the existing media in emerald parkway.

690
00:50:00,125 --> 00:50:04,045
how is raf, I mean, there's already turn lanes for

691
00:50:04,265 --> 00:50:07,625
the existing uses. How would this function to support this development?

692
00:50:08,645 --> 00:50:12,585
the how would the, how would the median be? Mm-hmm . The median could be maintained

693
00:50:12,865 --> 00:50:16,665
in that, um, center. What I'm picturing is their main

694
00:50:17,105 --> 00:50:20,645
entrance on emerald parkway there in the middle of the site. That's correct. Um,

695
00:50:21,215 --> 00:50:25,125
there's already a, a full median break for the development on

696
00:50:25,345 --> 00:50:29,325
the west side. So that would, um, be modified to create

697
00:50:29,635 --> 00:50:32,875
that left turn bay for, uh, this

698
00:50:33,965 --> 00:50:37,545
proposed development. Um, and we would continue to work with them through the

699
00:50:38,005 --> 00:50:41,905
pdp and the traffic impact study to make sure that everything was functioning. So

700
00:50:42,125 --> 00:50:46,125
you could, you would add a left turn lane into the development at that point? It would be part of the

701
00:50:46,285 --> 00:50:50,245
applicant's responsibility. Yeah. Right. But it have to be, you'd have to alter what's there now to create the correct.

702
00:50:50,695 --> 00:50:54,565
right. Changing the existing median. Thank you. And can you, can you make

703
00:50:54,805 --> 00:50:58,485
a left turn in on the south drive? It's, there's

704
00:50:58,925 --> 00:51:02,455
already a . I would have concerns about that. I believe that would

705
00:51:03,025 --> 00:51:06,485
be contemplated as a write in, write out. I'm also concerned about it in relationship

706
00:51:07,065 --> 00:51:10,945
to the potential bus stop area. So I think those are details to work through in the next, um,

707
00:51:11,165 --> 00:51:15,065
submissions. The, the, the graphic that's up on the street is pen

708
00:51:15,285 --> 00:51:19,245
altered to look like the median is broken there, but it's not broken. Right? It is

709
00:51:19,325 --> 00:51:23,305
not, it narrows, um, for the turn lanes at the warner temple intersection, but

710
00:51:23,525 --> 00:51:27,245
there's a raised curb there. Okay. I, and again, we're getting into details

711
00:51:27,755 --> 00:51:31,225
yeah. Be honest. But I just wanna to understand establishing this roads system

712
00:51:31,825 --> 00:51:35,765
is dependent on those types of things. Um, second question

713
00:51:36,025 --> 00:51:39,765
for the applicant, I assume that the two ponds are meeting

714
00:51:40,165 --> 00:51:43,685
your stormwater management need? Correct. Or is there some other need you have under underground

715
00:51:44,285 --> 00:51:48,165
tanks or anything to offset that? Correct. Those are intended to be detention as well.

716
00:51:48,675 --> 00:51:52,525
okay. So, um, had you considered the, the northern

717
00:51:52,705 --> 00:51:56,085
corner to be something other than a park a

718
00:51:57,185 --> 00:52:00,955
like the, the, um, plan shows, the city plan shows that as

719
00:52:01,475 --> 00:52:04,515
a developed corner. Had you ever considered that as an option

720
00:52:05,535 --> 00:52:09,345
or because you needed a place to put stormwater management that was the logical place because

721
00:52:09,895 --> 00:52:13,755
of grades or whatever? And so that's, I'm trying to figure out if that's a logical place for

722
00:52:13,955 --> 00:52:17,555
storm under management or is it still a good development site?

723
00:52:18,145 --> 00:52:21,765
sure. So what's really driving the northern portion being

724
00:52:22,195 --> 00:52:26,125
a green place, which also serves as our detention, is a preservation of the george geary

725
00:52:26,495 --> 00:52:30,435
run and the natural tree line right there. Mm-hmm . We're trying to leave that portion as natural

726
00:52:30,935 --> 00:52:34,835
as possible, understanding that we can't necessarily achieve maintaining the

727
00:52:34,995 --> 00:52:38,955
natural, um, tree line within the center of the site. So that's

728
00:52:39,235 --> 00:52:43,155
what's driving, putting the pond up there. Um, we, we did look at other concepts

729
00:52:43,775 --> 00:52:47,725
as well, um, similar to the discussions we've had

730
00:52:47,845 --> 00:52:51,765
about feeling disconnected within a mixed use product. Um, I

731
00:52:51,885 --> 00:52:55,785
think if you were to put either residential or office up

732
00:52:56,005 --> 00:52:59,885
there, those tenants might feel slightly disconnected from the rest of the park.

733
00:53:01,755 --> 00:53:05,735
and, and again, I think you're hearing some comments, questions from the commission that, you know,

734
00:53:05,965 --> 00:53:09,895
open space in one corner versus more in integrated into the, into the neighborhood

735
00:53:10,175 --> 00:53:13,995
is what I think the, the focus of their questions has been. I'm

736
00:53:14,295 --> 00:53:18,155
gonna add, add, add that kim. Yeah. One of when I looked at your plan and

737
00:53:18,435 --> 00:53:21,655
one of the, and this also follows up on jason's point,

738
00:53:22,475 --> 00:53:26,435
there's no surveillance of these, these spaces, these passive play

739
00:53:26,725 --> 00:53:30,475
spaces. They're kind of residuals left over from

740
00:53:30,945 --> 00:53:34,805
moving the buildings and the parking around the site. And then we have a little space at the side of the building,

741
00:53:35,345 --> 00:53:39,085
but the buildings don't really define. Um, and that's one of the ways to integrate

742
00:53:39,365 --> 00:53:43,045
the green space. Now you've, you've made squares outta your parking,

743
00:53:43,745 --> 00:53:47,625
so it'll be interesting to see how long those trees last in

744
00:53:47,845 --> 00:53:51,845
those parking lots. But, um, I just, I think the point

745
00:53:52,195 --> 00:53:56,085
both that you're hearing from a couple people here on the board is those play spaces

746
00:53:56,595 --> 00:54:00,205
need to be better integrated into the arrangement of the buildings. Sure.

747
00:54:02,175 --> 00:54:06,125
thank you. And I kind of follow onto that. I was gonna ask you about the dog park

748
00:54:06,545 --> 00:54:10,165
and the location of why you chose that. I mean, it's kind of a key corner

749
00:54:11,065 --> 00:54:14,925
coming into the development. Um, it does open up kind of

750
00:54:15,565 --> 00:54:18,865
a view corner into the parking behind which we, which we want to probably screen.

751
00:54:20,145 --> 00:54:24,125
and so just, and again, it's out on a busy road, so thinking of

752
00:54:24,355 --> 00:54:28,145
dogs escaping and all of a sudden they're on emeral parkway, . Sure. So

753
00:54:28,985 --> 00:54:32,825
the the private amenity areas would be

754
00:54:33,435 --> 00:54:36,925
just that they would be private and secure within the residential

755
00:54:37,485 --> 00:54:41,345
project. Um, although we're showing in this corner the dog

756
00:54:41,565 --> 00:54:45,495
park expanding throughout the entire green space, that corner upon entry would

757
00:54:45,845 --> 00:54:49,765
serve as a great place for a monument sign or a feature to enter the project.

758
00:54:50,505 --> 00:54:54,165
and then you could screen any amenity use for the residential

759
00:54:54,685 --> 00:54:58,405
behind that so it could serve multipurpose. Thank

760
00:54:58,875 --> 00:55:02,755
you. And, uh, shifting over to the south,

761
00:55:03,045 --> 00:55:06,455
again, I think there was some discussion around the, the drive-throughs

762
00:55:07,095 --> 00:55:09,755
and the, and the restaurants. Um,

763
00:55:12,025 --> 00:55:16,005
so those, the location of those two buildings are such that the one

764
00:55:16,205 --> 00:55:19,765
on emerald parkway only has two sides you can access.

765
00:55:20,985 --> 00:55:24,965
and the one that's on warner temple only has one side that you can access. And so I'm thinking of service

766
00:55:25,425 --> 00:55:29,165
and trash and all that stuff of had you thought through about how those

767
00:55:29,485 --> 00:55:32,965
buildings would be serviced? It, it's a fair comment, especially on the southeastern

768
00:55:33,605 --> 00:55:36,425
corner. What drove the placement of it was

769
00:55:37,875 --> 00:55:41,605
the outlaw on the southwest corner that probably wants to be a coffee user,

770
00:55:41,995 --> 00:55:45,695
an elevated fast casual. They have a desire to be on a hard corner. That's

771
00:55:46,095 --> 00:55:50,015
what's attractive to, um, tenants that would occupy that. And then

772
00:55:50,175 --> 00:55:53,925
similar for the inline um, building, they

773
00:55:55,045 --> 00:55:58,935
want strong frontage as well on a main road, which is why we've placed it

774
00:55:59,095 --> 00:56:03,085
up against warner temple road. And then the, the goal

775
00:56:03,475 --> 00:56:07,135
of placing the building in the southeast corner was to create a cool

776
00:56:07,605 --> 00:56:11,355
outdoor seating patio environment that could be really attractive to

777
00:56:11,655 --> 00:56:15,655
a use. But your point is well taken on circulation and I'm sure, I'm sure we'll come

778
00:56:15,735 --> 00:56:19,455
back to that in future applications. Yes. Um, that's all the questions I had

779
00:56:19,745 --> 00:56:23,705
right now. I'm gonna look to the commission if there's any follow up questions. Yes.

780
00:56:23,945 --> 00:56:27,875
I'm sorry, I just had a quick question about two 70 driving

781
00:56:28,705 --> 00:56:32,475
on parkwood. I didn't really see it, but do you think that from

782
00:56:32,765 --> 00:56:36,525
their, um, town homes and so forth up, is there any way

783
00:56:36,785 --> 00:56:40,585
either, um, they're seeing two 70 or if

784
00:56:41,265 --> 00:56:44,245
if, if you're driving by and you're seeing this project?

785
00:56:47,255 --> 00:56:51,215
I would say the, the goal in the future is that when the

786
00:56:51,415 --> 00:56:54,805
space between this parcel and two 70 develop,

787
00:56:55,885 --> 00:56:59,855
that is ideally going to have taller corporate office buildings, like what's

788
00:57:00,535 --> 00:57:03,725
existing out there that help break up any view

789
00:57:04,575 --> 00:57:08,035
corridor into the site. So at, at this point

790
00:57:08,815 --> 00:57:12,635
we do not have concerns about that because we've made, we're trying to make that distinction,

791
00:57:13,215 --> 00:57:16,575
uh, between what's should be corporate office and what should be, uh,

792
00:57:17,305 --> 00:57:21,025
multifamily. Any

793
00:57:21,325 --> 00:57:25,185
other questions? All right. I will now

794
00:57:26,035 --> 00:57:29,695
open up for public comment. Thank you, uh, applicant for thank

795
00:57:30,045 --> 00:57:33,725
you. Um, does anybody would like to, uh, talk to this application

796
00:57:34,365 --> 00:57:35,925
from the audience, from the public?

797
00:57:39,485 --> 00:57:42,885
hmm. Okay. I assume you're here for other cases. .

798
00:57:43,755 --> 00:57:47,445
alright. Um, if nobody has any comments, I'm going to close

799
00:57:47,785 --> 00:57:50,925
the public comment period and we're now gonna go into commission deliberation.

800
00:57:52,545 --> 00:57:56,405
so we have a number of questions that are on the screen now. Uh, mr.

801
00:57:56,595 --> 00:57:59,365
chinook, you always like to go first. I'd love going first.

802
00:58:01,375 --> 00:58:04,735
uh, again, thank you for, for coming and I, I think, um,

803
00:58:06,005 --> 00:58:09,995
appreciate the presentation and I think there's a lot that are, that's kind of well, well, well

804
00:58:10,275 --> 00:58:14,175
thought out. Here, uh, and we brought up in questions. I think everybody's kind

805
00:58:14,295 --> 00:58:18,115
of hinting at it. There's, there's definitely, I have a, a concern regarding the,

806
00:58:18,355 --> 00:58:21,405
the mix that it's very heavy residential.

807
00:58:22,835 --> 00:58:26,325
um, you know, where it deviates a little bit from our, from our envision plan.

808
00:58:27,395 --> 00:58:31,245
and then that gets to you, you, you spoke of walkability

809
00:58:31,995 --> 00:58:34,935
and pedestrian access and trying to create this opportunity to have

810
00:58:36,195 --> 00:58:39,725
the residential or the retail supporting the, whether it's,

811
00:58:40,275 --> 00:58:43,455
you know, coffee shops, whatever, supporting it and trying to, trying to create a pedestrian

812
00:58:44,325 --> 00:58:48,295
environment. But it doesn't seem like it's kind of laid out to support that as much as

813
00:58:48,495 --> 00:58:52,455
it sounds, especially it relates to the drive-through. So I have a, I have a problem with the drive

814
00:58:52,655 --> 00:58:56,555
throughs as part of this. Again, trying

815
00:58:56,975 --> 00:59:00,775
to less reli on automotive traffic, and I appreciate what your potential tenants

816
00:59:01,135 --> 00:59:05,075
are saying, but it just doesn't seem to fit as it is in this current layout

817
00:59:05,495 --> 00:59:09,045
that we're looking at. And I think we alluded to the general,

818
00:59:10,235 --> 00:59:13,465
you know, green spaces and having it feel a little bit more truly mixed.

819
00:59:14,675 --> 00:59:18,135
um, but, but again, I go back to, I think it's, it's, it's definitely heavy,

820
00:59:19,255 --> 00:59:23,125
a little heavily weighed residential and, and, and as we,

821
00:59:23,285 --> 00:59:25,925
as we look at it compared to kind of our, our, our vision for the space

822
00:59:27,495 --> 00:59:31,395
and I add to whatever we can do to preserve the existing trees, I think we can maybe

823
00:59:31,615 --> 00:59:35,415
try a little harder there. Um, it's not, I mean, it's a big part of our, our

824
00:59:35,635 --> 00:59:39,595
vision too is to try to, you know, that that type of preservation, we appreciate what you've

825
00:59:39,835 --> 00:59:43,815
done, um, uh, thus far. But I think we can take a little bit further and

826
00:59:44,035 --> 00:59:47,955
try to work a little harder to preserve the other, the other trees on site. I'd go back

827
00:59:48,215 --> 00:59:51,955
to the, I'd love when you come back, I'd love to see a, a, a kind of a,

828
00:59:52,555 --> 00:59:55,795
a height study looking at what's going on in the buildings across berland parkway

829
00:59:56,655 --> 01:00:00,595
as you get to the proposed whatever it is, the, the, if it's town homes

830
01:00:01,005 --> 01:00:04,995
right around number parkway as we, as we go east or west, east

831
01:00:05,275 --> 01:00:09,235
across the site. And look at how the four story multifamily buildings kind

832
01:00:09,395 --> 01:00:13,395
of fit within the whole height. Because I, I do think, and the commission brought up several concerns about the height

833
01:00:13,555 --> 01:00:17,435
and the scale of, of what's going on in the area and making sure, so a height

834
01:00:17,595 --> 01:00:21,555
study or looking at the heights, I think would, would, would feel very appropriate and help us kind of understand,

835
01:00:22,535 --> 01:00:26,535
um, how it's all going to mesh together and gel. And

836
01:00:26,755 --> 01:00:30,595
then going back to the, the drive-throughs for a moment, the, the corner at emerald parkway

837
01:00:30,915 --> 01:00:34,915
in warner temple is obviously a really key corner. And having, right now we have a drive-through as our feature,

838
01:00:35,855 --> 01:00:39,535
uh, the drive through stack, I should say, as the feature I think we really need to consider, you've

839
01:00:39,955 --> 01:00:43,765
started to deviate a little bit from the envision dublin plan with start

840
01:00:44,175 --> 01:00:47,915
taking that, that, that retail space and bringing it front, hiding, parking,

841
01:00:48,555 --> 01:00:52,115
whatever we can do to hide parking and create more of a, of a, of that type of street

842
01:00:52,635 --> 01:00:56,045
scape and focus. You mentioned it, focus on some of these feature focal

843
01:00:56,675 --> 01:01:00,535
features. Uh, some from, from some of those key areas on

844
01:01:00,755 --> 01:01:04,535
the site, uh, would be something we definitely wanna consider and, and think about, um,

845
01:01:04,815 --> 01:01:08,475
as we come back. And I'd say, again, I mentioned a mounting too. I think the mountings

846
01:01:08,955 --> 01:01:12,705
kind of an important piece of that. I think it helps kind of, especially if we are gonna do residential,

847
01:01:13,835 --> 01:01:17,835
I think we just want to kind of consider more how that's landscaped and, and maybe bring some of that

848
01:01:17,955 --> 01:01:21,855
back. But generally, um, um, answer. I didn't really answer any of the questions directly, but

849
01:01:22,545 --> 01:01:26,355
overall, I think it's okay. I think we have a little bit of work to do,

850
01:01:27,015 --> 01:01:30,755
um, to, to be fully supportive of it. Um, but again, I think a lot, there's

851
01:01:31,235 --> 01:01:35,155
a lot of really good thought. I like, you know, there's a lot of nice things about the architecture. I think we brought up some of the

852
01:01:35,315 --> 01:01:39,115
little more, um, I, I appreciate the different materiality in trying to do something,

853
01:01:40,355 --> 01:01:44,255
um, a little bit more, a little bit different. But I, I, I think we need to just, again, with the height and

854
01:01:44,415 --> 01:01:48,335
everything else, we need to make sure it, it actually can fit within the, the, the surrounding

855
01:01:48,495 --> 01:01:52,495
environment. 'cause there's a lot going on, um, around the site. But again, thank

856
01:01:52,695 --> 01:01:55,175
you for, for being here. Thank you, ms. Har.

857
01:01:56,905 --> 01:02:00,435
good points. Um, thank you for being here and bringing this project forward

858
01:02:01,135 --> 01:02:04,995
and, um, sounds like you've been working with the city for a long time

859
01:02:05,415 --> 01:02:09,025
and I, we appreciate that a lot. Um, talking

860
01:02:09,725 --> 01:02:13,575
about, um, uh, where I am today on

861
01:02:13,795 --> 01:02:17,715
it, it, it feels heavy. Uh, you heard that from everyone

862
01:02:17,875 --> 01:02:21,515
about, um, that, that kind of feeling. So to me, the setback

863
01:02:22,065 --> 01:02:25,395
is very important. If it's a hundred feet. It's also mimicking

864
01:02:26,425 --> 01:02:30,285
the other side too, where they have the mound and they

865
01:02:30,445 --> 01:02:33,705
have the trees and the grasses and the pine. There's, um,

866
01:02:34,465 --> 01:02:38,345
we can see that that is just a nice cultivating area that, um,

867
01:02:38,915 --> 01:02:42,155
that we can all grow from, from that. Um, also,

868
01:02:43,005 --> 01:02:46,245
I like thinking about, um, the retail that you wanna bring forward.

869
01:02:47,285 --> 01:02:50,785
I, um, and I think that's a good idea. I love that you reached out to,

870
01:02:51,385 --> 01:02:55,325
um, uh, the people from the offices and around. That's very important to

871
01:02:55,885 --> 01:02:59,605
get their thoughts. Um, but there's that emerald

872
01:02:59,995 --> 01:03:03,185
town center that's across, across the street on warner.

873
01:03:04,065 --> 01:03:07,925
um, they develop theirs inward. So when you, you've

874
01:03:08,285 --> 01:03:12,105
gotta go in and that's where the parking is inward. And, uh,

875
01:03:12,325 --> 01:03:16,145
they have a, a great businesses in there. Uh, there's a bakery and

876
01:03:16,365 --> 01:03:19,805
different food places, pizza, veterinarian and so forth.

877
01:03:20,425 --> 01:03:24,395
but what I think is positive on this end is you we're going face

878
01:03:24,685 --> 01:03:28,245
forward on this. And I think that that then brings us closer

879
01:03:28,705 --> 01:03:32,685
to them. Um, and that brings the kind of the businesses together

880
01:03:33,225 --> 01:03:37,165
and people, um, a more walkable community with that.

881
01:03:38,025 --> 01:03:41,965
on top of that, if you're standing over there, you can kinda look to your left and you see

882
01:03:42,165 --> 01:03:45,925
the post office. So if we can get people walking from a residential

883
01:03:46,555 --> 01:03:49,605
area to a commercial area to then across the street

884
01:03:50,705 --> 01:03:54,505
safely, and then, oh, I can kind of keep going. It

885
01:03:54,725 --> 01:03:58,625
just really brings us to that, um, walkability. Um,

886
01:03:59,305 --> 01:04:03,195
and, um, and, and again, it's all of these corners already

887
01:04:03,835 --> 01:04:07,605
have, um, where they've worked to build them. So when you're turning

888
01:04:07,925 --> 01:04:11,925
a corner, um, even on park parkwood, I

889
01:04:12,045 --> 01:04:15,915
believe, um, you know, it's, it's a, it's a nice experience. It's, it's

890
01:04:16,205 --> 01:04:20,025
pretty that way. Um, and so forth. So if I'm

891
01:04:20,245 --> 01:04:23,875
thinking about, um, you know, number two also,

892
01:04:24,625 --> 01:04:28,565
uh, the, just the town homes and things like that, I like the idea

893
01:04:28,805 --> 01:04:32,145
of the garages. I think reworking some parking issues,

894
01:04:33,145 --> 01:04:37,085
if, and if you can share some park parking or if it,

895
01:04:37,425 --> 01:04:41,365
if you're kind of bringing the town homes closer together, then it

896
01:04:41,525 --> 01:04:45,425
feels like a, a a more of a community. Um, and, um,

897
01:04:45,985 --> 01:04:49,105
you know, in that, that regard there too. So, um,

898
01:04:50,225 --> 01:04:54,045
and let's see. Um, I'm, I'm good about the architecture.

899
01:04:55,125 --> 01:04:58,265
I think I like the, the townhome especially, uh,

900
01:04:59,615 --> 01:05:03,605
along the street. I think they look very nice. Again, I,

901
01:05:03,725 --> 01:05:07,665
it's really gonna matter to have that space, um, between the,

902
01:05:08,075 --> 01:05:11,715
between, um, the streets and then, and then to the townhomes.

903
01:05:12,505 --> 01:05:16,225
and if it's a hundred feet, it should be a hundred feet with that too. Um,

904
01:05:16,585 --> 01:05:19,845
but you did do a nice job with, I like the roundness of the doors.

905
01:05:20,685 --> 01:05:24,165
I like, um, the, the different balconies and things like that.

906
01:05:24,905 --> 01:05:28,605
um, when, when I get to the, the, the apartments in the back,

907
01:05:29,205 --> 01:05:32,495
I, I think you should take a little look at those and see if there's some other,

908
01:05:33,705 --> 01:05:37,705
uh, thoughts and so forth. I, I would be looking for. But

909
01:05:38,195 --> 01:05:42,175
when we're talking about the town homes too, or, um, is there anything, solar ideas

910
01:05:42,705 --> 01:05:46,505
or are there any, 'cause we've, we have a program on that. And then, um, any

911
01:05:46,725 --> 01:05:50,565
kind of rooftop features as well too, if that's, if that's something, if that's sort

912
01:05:50,745 --> 01:05:53,345
too. So, um, and

913
01:05:55,305 --> 01:05:58,595
then I go to, um, the emerald parkway,

914
01:05:59,585 --> 01:06:03,395
it's a corridor. If you go a little further down, you can see they have

915
01:06:03,625 --> 01:06:07,515
benches on the corners, um, as well as like a,

916
01:06:07,955 --> 01:06:11,875
a little, you know, it's a, a structure that you can sit in and things like that.

917
01:06:12,055 --> 01:06:15,415
so it's, again, I encourage you to think outside the box,

918
01:06:16,215 --> 01:06:19,515
um, and, uh, and, and, and moving in that direction.

919
01:06:20,255 --> 01:06:24,035
but, um, overall, um, you know,

920
01:06:24,395 --> 01:06:28,335
I, I get to the point where, um, I'm sensitive for

921
01:06:28,555 --> 01:06:32,095
the number that bringing and that, um,

922
01:06:32,745 --> 01:06:36,305
there's no office. Um, and that's, that's a concern. Alright,

923
01:06:36,805 --> 01:06:39,535
thank you. Thank you, ms. Harder, mr. Alexander.

924
01:06:42,575 --> 01:06:46,515
I'm, um, my one reservation about the plan has to do with emerald

925
01:06:46,715 --> 01:06:50,715
parkway because if you read our documents, the a hundred foot right of

926
01:06:50,835 --> 01:06:54,675
way, granted there's something that contradicts that, but also the fact that the,

927
01:06:55,435 --> 01:06:58,775
a couple of the documents say one to two story buildings. So the approach is,

928
01:06:59,695 --> 01:07:03,395
the implication of those two things is that the scale on emerald parkway

929
01:07:03,975 --> 01:07:07,595
should be pretty minimal. It should not be as massive as you have.

930
01:07:08,255 --> 01:07:11,895
and, and, and I think the scale is compounded by how far you bring them out.

931
01:07:12,265 --> 01:07:16,215
however, across the street is not a good solution because if

932
01:07:16,435 --> 01:07:20,315
you accommodated the a hundred foot setback and put parking in the front, that would be

933
01:07:20,545 --> 01:07:24,475
much less desirable than buildings closer. So I would be, I would feel

934
01:07:24,715 --> 01:07:28,195
more comfortable with yamal parkway treatment if the buildings were smaller

935
01:07:28,775 --> 01:07:32,395
and I could give on the, the setback there. I, um,

936
01:07:33,755 --> 01:07:37,675
I think this is gonna bring residential to an area where there's no residential or very little,

937
01:07:38,295 --> 01:07:42,295
so it's gonna be very, very different. But I think it's needed there. So

938
01:07:42,555 --> 01:07:46,525
I, I think I'm, and so I'm comfortable with the heavily

939
01:07:46,765 --> 01:07:49,505
weighted residential use. Um,

940
01:07:51,905 --> 01:07:55,125
one thing I, I brought up the parking before because if you thought more of the shared parking,

941
01:07:56,075 --> 01:07:59,725
then, then you could reduce the size of the lots. You reduce

942
01:08:00,085 --> 01:08:03,825
the heat island effect, you reduce your need for storm water. And

943
01:08:04,135 --> 01:08:08,035
would asking for some of these green spaces to be more integrated, whether it's

944
01:08:08,325 --> 01:08:12,245
the maintaining the existing trees and creating a, a more prominent path through

945
01:08:12,565 --> 01:08:16,385
there, I would at least like you to explore that. But

946
01:08:16,605 --> 01:08:20,285
generally I would be with, with reservations about emerald. I, I,

947
01:08:20,685 --> 01:08:24,465
I, I would be supportive of the project. Thank you mr.

948
01:08:24,825 --> 01:08:28,565
desler. Thanks, kim.

949
01:08:29,105 --> 01:08:31,465
I echo my fellow commissioner's comments.

950
01:08:33,205 --> 01:08:36,875
the space definitely needs something. I don't want to try to be too

951
01:08:37,315 --> 01:08:41,115
repetitive here. I think you have an opportunity to incorporate hopefully some of the

952
01:08:41,555 --> 01:08:45,155
existing mature trees rethinking the, the green space.

953
01:08:47,905 --> 01:08:51,205
one thing is, it feels like the, the clubhouse

954
01:08:52,065 --> 01:08:55,815
and recreation area was a little bit of an,

955
01:08:56,295 --> 01:09:00,255
a little bit of an afterthought. And I was like, oh, we're just gonna stick it over here. I, if you're trying to make

956
01:09:00,535 --> 01:09:04,385
a more centralized and dense residential area, maybe

957
01:09:04,955 --> 01:09:08,655
the clubhouse should be centralized with a green space

958
01:09:09,405 --> 01:09:12,585
that can run throughout a a center corridor. Um,

959
01:09:16,035 --> 01:09:19,915
I feel the somehow there needs to incorporate some office,

960
01:09:20,575 --> 01:09:23,595
but I, I do understand the difficulties now with, with that.

961
01:09:24,745 --> 01:09:28,515
um, that's why you're the designers and developers to come up with something.

962
01:09:28,835 --> 01:09:31,695
maybe that could incorporate some office component, but

963
01:09:33,735 --> 01:09:37,355
I'd be, uh, somewhat a gary, I think I'd be okay with a more heavily weighted

964
01:09:38,545 --> 01:09:42,335
residential piece. I would like to see some of the commercial and

965
01:09:42,555 --> 01:09:46,515
retail, uh, this space is, is dying for it. And I think

966
01:09:46,635 --> 01:09:49,835
across the street it could, it could be a little,

967
01:09:51,015 --> 01:09:54,875
you have an opportunity. Let's just, let's just say, um, you heard my

968
01:09:55,035 --> 01:09:59,035
reservations already about a drive through. Uh, doesn't necessarily mean I would

969
01:09:59,155 --> 01:10:02,975
be completely against it, but there's gonna have to be something that's gonna make this pop out

970
01:10:03,195 --> 01:10:07,135
a little better. Uh, because we don't want this to end up as, as portions of tu are,

971
01:10:07,355 --> 01:10:10,555
which are, which are more of a, a thoroughfare, which is what's expected at that area.

972
01:10:15,755 --> 01:10:19,455
the initial drawings relative to the, the

973
01:10:19,775 --> 01:10:23,695
building massing, I think are, are appropriate. Um, it, it brings

974
01:10:23,935 --> 01:10:27,625
a new wave of some architecture there, which I think is okay, but rethinking

975
01:10:28,295 --> 01:10:31,135
how the, the, the town homes fit at that,

976
01:10:32,335 --> 01:10:36,115
uh, along emerald maine may need to be again, reevaluated

977
01:10:36,795 --> 01:10:40,605
I think for the, the use here. So lemme just check

978
01:10:40,845 --> 01:10:41,905
my notes. Uh,

979
01:10:48,655 --> 01:10:51,945
okay, I'm set. Thanks. Thank you.

980
01:10:52,725 --> 01:10:56,625
is zach, can you pull up the, the graphic that shows the, the two plans side by

981
01:10:56,825 --> 01:11:00,665
side, the area plan and the, I just want to make

982
01:11:01,075 --> 01:11:04,075
a point, we've had discussion about two plans being different.

983
01:11:05,175 --> 01:11:09,115
um, when I look at the, the one on the right, I

984
01:11:09,235 --> 01:11:12,275
see blue and orange, that's probably more than it is the purple.

985
01:11:13,255 --> 01:11:17,205
again, not knowing square footage is right or how tall buildings are, but I think both

986
01:11:17,445 --> 01:11:21,165
plans are really speaking to this being mixed use and being

987
01:11:21,485 --> 01:11:25,445
a balance of, of office, commercial and residential. So I don't

988
01:11:25,645 --> 01:11:29,605
think the two plans are in conflict. I think they're actually quite well aligned and it, you know,

989
01:11:30,505 --> 01:11:34,445
you could debate, you know, 60, 40, 40 60. But again, I

990
01:11:34,565 --> 01:11:38,425
think there's a balance of uses and I think, um, one

991
01:11:38,645 --> 01:11:42,565
of the things that this commission has been struggling with is this new definition of mixed

992
01:11:42,745 --> 01:11:46,645
use and what does that really mean? And I think as we look at these cases, we're gonna

993
01:11:47,005 --> 01:11:50,925
continue to, to discuss it. But, um, I think,

994
01:11:51,345 --> 01:11:55,065
and you can go back to the question now, zach, I'm sorry. Um, I think the,

995
01:11:55,705 --> 01:11:59,625
the mix of uses here is, is, is, is out of balance right now. And

996
01:11:59,925 --> 01:12:03,835
I, again, I don't want to debate office or not office, but something else.

997
01:12:04,185 --> 01:12:07,885
and I think mr. Alexander raised the issue of the emerald

998
01:12:08,245 --> 01:12:11,605
parkway edge. And you know, when you drive up and down emerald parkway,

999
01:12:12,355 --> 01:12:16,125
it's a commercial business address and all of a sudden to see residential fronting

1000
01:12:16,685 --> 01:12:20,365
onto it that it's not even an apartment that has kind of an edge,

1001
01:12:21,115 --> 01:12:24,805
it's townhouses that have a front door and walkways and, and all of a sudden you feel

1002
01:12:25,395 --> 01:12:28,865
that feels outta place to me in this corridor. So, um,

1003
01:12:29,745 --> 01:12:33,605
in terms of the layout, I think, you know, following the area plan, you've got the grid

1004
01:12:33,885 --> 01:12:37,125
right. Um, I think the uses are not quite in the right place.

1005
01:12:38,225 --> 01:12:42,065
I'd like to see something up else up against ammo parkway and, and

1006
01:12:42,485 --> 01:12:46,165
I, I don't want to say it has to be office, but it should be something other than

1007
01:12:46,675 --> 01:12:50,405
residential in my mind. Um, I think you heard a lot of talk about open

1008
01:12:50,705 --> 01:12:54,655
space and I feel like the open space is kind of being pushed to the

1009
01:12:54,745 --> 01:12:58,375
edges and when you want open space to be integrated into the development

1010
01:12:58,855 --> 01:13:02,775
and, and into the buildings that are make up the development. And I think

1011
01:13:02,895 --> 01:13:06,735
that, um, they don't have to be heroic open spaces.

1012
01:13:07,165 --> 01:13:11,015
they could be pocket parks and plazas that are intertwined and maybe the

1013
01:13:11,215 --> 01:13:14,335
dog park fits into that category. I still think that's in the wrong place.

1014
01:13:15,275 --> 01:13:18,695
um, but it's part of the open space network. And again, I agree

1015
01:13:19,565 --> 01:13:22,395
that this, again, the great, um,

1016
01:13:23,625 --> 01:13:26,965
effort to save the ex the existing, uh, linear

1017
01:13:27,645 --> 01:13:31,605
riparian open space. But I think this other one that you said you're

1018
01:13:32,005 --> 01:13:35,385
studying, I think that's something that could be studied harder. And I think in

1019
01:13:36,045 --> 01:13:39,525
studying that you might find that that's the solution to integrating the open space more,

1020
01:13:40,425 --> 01:13:44,075
uh, into the development. Um, so again,

1021
01:13:44,505 --> 01:13:48,425
I think you've got the basic, um, structure to the development. I

1022
01:13:48,545 --> 01:13:52,085
think you need to look at the uses. Um, and again, the,

1023
01:13:52,645 --> 01:13:56,465
the corner of emerald parkway and warner temple, um, they did

1024
01:13:56,665 --> 01:13:59,265
such a good job on the other side, again, it's a one story,

1025
01:14:00,685 --> 01:14:04,265
uh, commercial complex, but you know, that's been there for years and I've always

1026
01:14:05,215 --> 01:14:09,055
been amazed at how well that anchors that corner. And I would hate

1027
01:14:09,345 --> 01:14:12,885
to see the other corner on the other side not treated in the same way.

1028
01:14:13,545 --> 01:14:16,905
and so this idea of putting a drive through on that corner, um,

1029
01:14:17,945 --> 01:14:21,885
you know, and, and, and losing that as a gateway location, I think is

1030
01:14:22,165 --> 01:14:25,985
a, a lost opportunity. And I think the whole warner temple edge should

1031
01:14:26,405 --> 01:14:30,245
be, you know, considered as how does that edge contribute

1032
01:14:30,825 --> 01:14:34,805
to the experience of driving along warner temple. So, um, I

1033
01:14:34,925 --> 01:14:38,725
would like to see some more efforts in terms of distribution of uses. I think the general

1034
01:14:38,965 --> 01:14:42,945
layout is, is roughly there. Um, I think that the

1035
01:14:43,165 --> 01:14:47,105
architectural concepts appear to be aligned with what is out

1036
01:14:47,325 --> 01:14:50,965
there now. If you look at the buildings that are along emerald parkway and warner temple,

1037
01:14:51,435 --> 01:14:55,045
they have a character and I think fitting into that character is the right

1038
01:14:55,715 --> 01:14:59,605
direction. I think you're generally headed in that direction. And again, I've

1039
01:14:59,805 --> 01:15:03,695
already made the comment about the open space about distribution. So, um, those

1040
01:15:04,045 --> 01:15:08,035
would be my comments to the concept plan. I want to open it back

1041
01:15:08,195 --> 01:15:12,035
up to the commission. Do you guys all have any other comments? Which can I ask, do you ask your

1042
01:15:12,235 --> 01:15:15,915
perspective on the drive-throughs? I'm sorry, say that again? Can I ask your perspective on the drive-through?

1043
01:15:17,095 --> 01:15:20,755
um, I'm not a proponent of drive-throughs , but if they're at the right

1044
01:15:21,435 --> 01:15:25,355
location of the site and they're out of sight, they're not like front and center.

1045
01:15:26,155 --> 01:15:29,825
I would, I be, I could be supportive of them, but they,

1046
01:15:30,495 --> 01:15:34,395
if not done well, they can be a real detriment to a site plan into a urban

1047
01:15:34,815 --> 01:15:38,565
design field. Any other comments?

1048
01:15:40,445 --> 01:15:44,255
alright, um, advocate, have you heard enough from us and got enough

1049
01:15:44,895 --> 01:15:48,875
feedback? Well, we, we appreciate you coming in and, um,

1050
01:15:49,395 --> 01:15:50,575
we hope to see you again in the near future.

1051
01:15:56,435 --> 01:16:00,215
all right, we're gonna move on now to case number

1052
01:16:00,535 --> 01:16:03,895
25 dash 1 0 8 cp

1053
01:16:04,785 --> 01:16:08,295
avery crossing concept plan, a request to review

1054
01:16:08,855 --> 01:16:12,185
a non biting feedback for a mixed use development comprised of residential, commercial,

1055
01:16:12,875 --> 01:16:16,815
and open space. The 127 acre site is zoned r

1056
01:16:17,185 --> 01:16:20,335
rural and located southwest of the rings road and avery road intersection

1057
01:16:21,275 --> 01:16:23,495
and contains the ponderosa mobile home states.

1058
01:16:25,555 --> 01:16:28,615
so invite our applicant to come up now and make their presentation.

1059
01:16:30,315 --> 01:16:34,305
kim, am I good to step out? Uh, yes, thank

1060
01:16:34,655 --> 01:16:37,415
you. We will call you back in when, appreciate it. We move to the next case.

1061
01:16:42,435 --> 01:16:45,975
if you would, uh, turn the microphone on and state your name and address. Appreciate

1062
01:16:46,575 --> 01:16:50,395
it. Uh, good evening. Uh,

1063
01:16:50,715 --> 01:16:54,235
my name's gary o rocky, uh, dit architects, 1 4 7 2 5

1064
01:16:55,685 --> 01:16:58,205
detroit avenue, lakewood, ohio 4 4 1 0 7.

1065
01:17:02,635 --> 01:17:06,415
uh, well thanks for, uh, thanks for having us here tonight. Um, we were last here

1066
01:17:06,655 --> 01:17:10,455
in april, and, uh, we've got some great feedback and we're

1067
01:17:10,805 --> 01:17:13,965
back here again to show you, uh, some refinements that we made to the plan.

1068
01:17:19,485 --> 01:17:23,225
uh, just to, just to recap, this is just a, a plan to show where

1069
01:17:24,085 --> 01:17:27,865
the, uh, the site is in, uh, city of dublin near,

1070
01:17:28,325 --> 01:17:31,625
uh, avery road and tu crossing the future tunnel crossing road.

1071
01:17:33,755 --> 01:17:37,175
if the advancer isn't working, just look to me and I can advance the slide for you.

1072
01:17:38,115 --> 01:17:42,075
I'm sorry if that advancer is not working, just look to me and I can advance the

1073
01:17:42,295 --> 01:17:45,015
slide for you. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Uh, next slide.

1074
01:17:47,715 --> 01:17:51,495
uh, and here again, it we're just showing, uh, the location of the site

1075
01:17:52,355 --> 01:17:56,255
and, uh, and everything that we're doing is sort of, uh, in line with the, with

1076
01:17:56,455 --> 01:18:00,285
the master plan for dublin. Again,

1077
01:18:00,635 --> 01:18:04,455
this is the existing condition. So you can see the outline of the site, and in

1078
01:18:04,675 --> 01:18:08,055
the middle of the site is an existing mobile home park, uh, that will remain,

1079
01:18:10,375 --> 01:18:14,065
uh, existing conditions of just some of the, uh, photographs down

1080
01:18:14,485 --> 01:18:18,475
avery. And, uh, you can kind of see in the key plan in the upper right hand corner

1081
01:18:18,755 --> 01:18:22,675
where the views are taken from. Uh, it's basically a

1082
01:18:22,795 --> 01:18:25,225
kind of a flat farm, uh, old farm site.

1083
01:18:27,955 --> 01:18:31,895
uh, so you can see this, this is sort of describes some of

1084
01:18:32,015 --> 01:18:35,915
the, uh, the purple, uh, line that goes through is

1085
01:18:36,135 --> 01:18:39,755
the future extension of tuttle. And, uh,

1086
01:18:40,315 --> 01:18:44,295
we work with the city to kind of come up with a val linear form that, uh, meets with

1087
01:18:44,495 --> 01:18:48,235
the, uh, desires of the envision master plan for

1088
01:18:48,685 --> 01:18:52,525
quadrants. Basically, if you can see, quadrant f will be mostly residential

1089
01:18:53,645 --> 01:18:57,215
project or quadrant. K is, uh, a commercial,

1090
01:18:58,615 --> 01:19:01,615
h is the, uh, existing mobile home park, and I would be multifamily.

1091
01:19:04,565 --> 01:19:08,265
uh, again, this just sort of, uh, further clarifies the quadrants, how we've

1092
01:19:09,195 --> 01:19:12,945
subdivided them. And as you can kind of see to the north, there's more single family homes

1093
01:19:13,285 --> 01:19:16,865
in dublin and to the south of the plan, uh, there is some

1094
01:19:17,385 --> 01:19:21,255
existing multifamily. Uh, so

1095
01:19:21,475 --> 01:19:24,905
this is the new plan that we have, and it's, it's very similar to the old plan.

1096
01:19:25,855 --> 01:19:29,795
uh, some of the refinements. I think the biggest refinements that

1097
01:19:30,035 --> 01:19:33,755
we've made are, uh, and based on comments that we received

1098
01:19:34,505 --> 01:19:38,435
were in regards to the open spaces. So, uh, the open spaces

1099
01:19:39,065 --> 01:19:42,855
have increased and there's also, uh, all the blue, uh,

1100
01:19:43,605 --> 01:19:46,835
water features that you see there are for, uh, storm water retention.

1101
01:19:47,815 --> 01:19:51,675
and we're trying to, uh, take advantage of those to make those not only

1102
01:19:51,875 --> 01:19:55,455
for stormwater for tension, but for amenities as well. Uh,

1103
01:19:56,315 --> 01:20:00,295
I think another comment that, uh, we did respond to was to reduce the

1104
01:20:00,515 --> 01:20:03,255
density by one unit per acre in the, uh,

1105
01:20:04,795 --> 01:20:08,685
southern part where the multifamily is, uh, in the upper right hand corner.

1106
01:20:08,995 --> 01:20:12,445
just to recap, you can see that's the commercial zone. The three orange

1107
01:20:13,045 --> 01:20:16,225
buildings are retail. The blue buildings are, uh, retail

1108
01:20:17,255 --> 01:20:21,125
slash restaurant. In the upper left hand corner, uh, there's

1109
01:20:21,485 --> 01:20:25,465
a mixture of townhouses, single family homes, cluster homes, and

1110
01:20:25,885 --> 01:20:29,885
duplexes. And then to the south are, uh, envisioned to

1111
01:20:29,965 --> 01:20:33,605
be three story, uh, multifamily units. And there's also a, a clubhouse

1112
01:20:34,045 --> 01:20:37,825
in the lower right hand corner, you can see kinda where the pool is. And it, uh,

1113
01:20:38,555 --> 01:20:40,085
borders on that, uh, water feature.

1114
01:20:43,445 --> 01:20:47,175
uh, again, this, this hasn't really changed, but this just shows the hierarchy

1115
01:20:48,005 --> 01:20:51,945
of, uh, roads and avenues and the potential, uh, connections

1116
01:20:52,505 --> 01:20:56,345
across tunnel parkway. Uh, and then, you know, we've been working with

1117
01:20:56,585 --> 01:21:00,265
the city for, for quite some time now to, uh, make sure that we're consistent

1118
01:21:00,705 --> 01:21:03,855
with, uh, what's envisioned for the area in terms of the master plan.

1119
01:21:06,755 --> 01:21:10,195
uh, and at this point I'm gonna turn it over to drew, uh,

1120
01:21:10,925 --> 01:21:14,775
from edge and he's gonna talk about, uh, some refinements that we made to the open

1121
01:21:14,935 --> 01:21:15,265
area plans.

1122
01:21:19,185 --> 01:21:22,615
thanks, gary. Thank you, commissioners. My name is drew russell.

1123
01:21:23,195 --> 01:21:26,695
I'm in the landscape archetype with edge three 30 west spring street,

1124
01:21:27,575 --> 01:21:31,435
columbus, ohio. Um, thank you for your time tonight. I'll be brief as

1125
01:21:31,655 --> 01:21:35,545
I talk through some of the changes that we've, we've made to our concept plan based

1126
01:21:35,895 --> 01:21:39,855
on the open space here. I know that mr. Will is gonna be going through quite a few of these as

1127
01:21:40,055 --> 01:21:43,465
well, um, when he speaks. So since the last concept plan submission

1128
01:21:44,135 --> 01:21:47,295
in april, we spent time further defining the open space areas

1129
01:21:48,235 --> 01:21:51,855
in an effort to provide a concept plan that responds to the comments we received

1130
01:21:52,755 --> 01:21:56,395
at that time and brings our plan closer in alignment with the envision dublin

1131
01:21:56,815 --> 01:22:00,775
community plan. Um, the exhibits provided in the submission were included to

1132
01:22:01,655 --> 01:22:05,415
communicate the overall open space concept and provide kind of that step-by-step

1133
01:22:06,095 --> 01:22:10,015
process that we went through to get to the open space framework plan. That that is part

1134
01:22:10,175 --> 01:22:13,825
of the submission as well. Um, this included establishing an open space theme

1135
01:22:14,755 --> 01:22:18,695
and some of the guiding principles we intend to use along the way. Um, taking

1136
01:22:19,095 --> 01:22:22,455
a step back and looking at the existing open space features and destinations

1137
01:22:23,695 --> 01:22:27,535
adjacent to our site so we can activate our parks and open space areas appropriately.

1138
01:22:28,815 --> 01:22:32,815
establishing a path and connectivity p plan that is consistent with the

1139
01:22:33,095 --> 01:22:36,135
envision dublin plan and will allow pedestrians to get to these destinations

1140
01:22:37,275 --> 01:22:41,255
and tie into the larger trail system. And lastly, we've provided

1141
01:22:41,455 --> 01:22:45,255
a series of enlargement plans to provide more details on some of the specific open space

1142
01:22:45,535 --> 01:22:46,575
areas shown on the plan.

1143
01:22:49,835 --> 01:22:53,355
um, in response to the envision dublin community plan, um,

1144
01:22:54,315 --> 01:22:58,065
we, we started by developing an open space theme.

1145
01:22:58,875 --> 01:23:02,875
um, what, what we wanted to base our entire concept around, and that theme was

1146
01:23:03,095 --> 01:23:06,045
to integrate our open space system into the larger network.

1147
01:23:08,025 --> 01:23:12,005
you can do that in many ways. You can do that physically through open, uh, through pathways

1148
01:23:12,245 --> 01:23:16,245
and trail connectivity. You can do it by locating

1149
01:23:16,515 --> 01:23:20,045
open space areas on our site, close to adjacent open space

1150
01:23:20,535 --> 01:23:24,445
areas on surrounding sites. And you can do that as you can see on

1151
01:23:24,605 --> 01:23:28,085
the imagery that we've provided through providing an aesthetic

1152
01:23:28,985 --> 01:23:32,625
and kind of the traditional dublin character that you see elsewhere around

1153
01:23:33,045 --> 01:23:35,005
the open space areas of the community.

1154
01:23:38,665 --> 01:23:41,525
um, in an effort to provide appropriate open space destinations

1155
01:23:42,825 --> 01:23:46,625
and better aligned with the greater community. We, we zoomed out a bit, um,

1156
01:23:46,865 --> 01:23:50,665
and first took a look at what already exists in other areas close by.

1157
01:23:50,945 --> 01:23:54,695
so we have two large parks, delmore and ted colton back parks,

1158
01:23:55,315 --> 01:23:59,165
both within walking distance there, you see it on the map, one's kind of to the north

1159
01:23:59,405 --> 01:24:03,145
there. And ted colton back park is, uh, to the east, um,

1160
01:24:04,235 --> 01:24:08,005
each with their own amenities. So using this information, we looked to see if there were any missing

1161
01:24:08,365 --> 01:24:12,125
pieces there that might make sense to locate within our open space areas.

1162
01:24:12,825 --> 01:24:16,795
and that helped us define the seven unique park spaces that we have on our site.

1163
01:24:17,665 --> 01:24:21,605
in addition, we've also started to identify potential areas for public art. As you

1164
01:24:21,725 --> 01:24:24,705
can see on there, um, opportunities shown in red.

1165
01:24:27,765 --> 01:24:31,745
an open space linkages plan was also provided to define a hierarchy

1166
01:24:32,365 --> 01:24:36,325
of pathway systems consistent with the envisioned dublin community plan, and

1167
01:24:36,545 --> 01:24:39,265
show how pedestrians will be able to get to the various destinations

1168
01:24:40,725 --> 01:24:44,505
within our site and connect to the larger regional network. Our goal here

1169
01:24:44,765 --> 01:24:48,585
is to create a, a walkable community. The commuter route shown

1170
01:24:48,865 --> 01:24:52,865
in the deep red color along tuttle crossing boulevard is intended more for

1171
01:24:53,265 --> 01:24:57,145
regional movement adjacent to the main thoroughfares, and it also extends up along

1172
01:24:57,675 --> 01:25:01,585
avery road. A connector route provides a convenient north south connection

1173
01:25:02,105 --> 01:25:05,985
through the site north, north and south there kind of through the mid

1174
01:25:06,185 --> 01:25:09,955
midpoint of the site. And, uh, a network of local route paths

1175
01:25:10,375 --> 01:25:14,105
also allow pedestrians to get to all of the internal park and open space

1176
01:25:14,435 --> 01:25:18,385
areas. We've also provided a

1177
01:25:18,505 --> 01:25:21,905
series of enlargements to give further detail on some of the individual open space areas.

1178
01:25:22,885 --> 01:25:26,545
the first shows a typical section conceptual section of what

1179
01:25:26,905 --> 01:25:30,855
tutter crossing boulevard greenway might look like. Um, we're intending

1180
01:25:31,465 --> 01:25:34,985
that this would be a variable with planted median and includes a lot of that

1181
01:25:35,495 --> 01:25:38,835
naturalized grasses, plenty of tree canopy meandering

1182
01:25:39,675 --> 01:25:43,415
paths for the local trails, a straight commuter route. On the other side,

1183
01:25:45,815 --> 01:25:49,605
we've included an enlargement of the central park area, showing gathering spaces,

1184
01:25:50,845 --> 01:25:54,675
a playground, a large lawn, and a pond with enhanced edge

1185
01:25:54,965 --> 01:25:55,975
treat edge treatments.

1186
01:26:00,215 --> 01:26:04,045
the corner of rings and, and avery road provides an opportunity

1187
01:26:04,585 --> 01:26:08,245
for community branding and gathering at the intersection of two major thoroughfares

1188
01:26:09,105 --> 01:26:13,005
and adjacent pathways. We see this park as a potential location for a

1189
01:26:13,125 --> 01:26:16,045
bike hub and gateway into the commercial portion of the site.

1190
01:26:18,045 --> 01:26:22,025
and lastly, the corner of tuttle crossing boulevard and avery on the southeast corner of the

1191
01:26:22,305 --> 01:26:26,195
site provides an opportunity for open space activation given

1192
01:26:26,605 --> 01:26:30,135
the proposed path tunnel under avery road and the large pond

1193
01:26:30,625 --> 01:26:34,505
adjacent to the commercial use areas. This could provide waterfront dining opportunities on the

1194
01:26:34,665 --> 01:26:38,665
upper pond side and a unique pocket park created by the pathway mirroring back

1195
01:26:38,905 --> 01:26:42,455
up to this street elevation. And we've included imagery

1196
01:26:43,035 --> 01:26:46,825
supporting that, showing some of the character that we plan to, to

1197
01:26:47,065 --> 01:26:50,925
try to implement. So with that, I'll turn it over and thank you for

1198
01:26:51,085 --> 01:26:54,545
your time. Thank you.

1199
01:26:55,585 --> 01:26:56,285
are you, are you finished?

1200
01:27:01,235 --> 01:27:05,185
there's just a few more slides. So, uh, so this is the, uh, uh,

1201
01:27:05,595 --> 01:27:09,105
sort of, uh, look and feel of the, uh, uh,

1202
01:27:09,605 --> 01:27:13,605
buildings that we were thinking of for some, some of the residential buildings, uh, a

1203
01:27:13,925 --> 01:27:17,925
vernacular, uh, to be contextual kind of with what's here in dublin and

1204
01:27:18,085 --> 01:27:21,925
central ohio. So these are the images that we had last time. I think

1205
01:27:22,505 --> 01:27:26,285
we did have, uh, uh, a couple more contemporary images that we, that

1206
01:27:26,565 --> 01:27:30,445
we took out, uh, based on the, uh, panel's, uh, feedback.

1207
01:27:30,705 --> 01:27:34,705
and so this is sort of what we're thinking at a very high level, uh, for look and feel. The

1208
01:27:35,045 --> 01:27:38,385
buildings, uh, you can kind of see the different, uh,

1209
01:27:39,235 --> 01:27:43,035
residential product types. Uh, again, just a generic

1210
01:27:43,635 --> 01:27:46,445
sort of spirit of place, sort of what, what they might feel like.

1211
01:27:48,265 --> 01:27:51,765
uh, again, some, some more of the townhouses and some of the, uh,

1212
01:27:52,505 --> 01:27:56,385
the, the commercial buildings were, are envisioned to be one story. And,

1213
01:27:56,745 --> 01:27:58,805
uh, and you can kind of see some examples there.

1214
01:28:03,285 --> 01:28:07,265
and, uh, I think, I think that's it. Uh, thank you very much. Okay. Thank you

1215
01:28:08,945 --> 01:28:09,275
mr. Will

1216
01:28:14,975 --> 01:28:18,965
thank you and good evening. Um, like the last case, this

1217
01:28:19,205 --> 01:28:23,165
is a concept plan review, so no determination is made. Um, if

1218
01:28:23,645 --> 01:28:27,445
the project proceeds future review and approval by both the commission

1219
01:28:27,765 --> 01:28:31,565
and city council would be required. Um,

1220
01:28:31,965 --> 01:28:35,495
the 127 acre site outlined in yellow is located southwest

1221
01:28:36,165 --> 01:28:39,385
of the intersection of avery and rings road and is zoned rule.

1222
01:28:40,205 --> 01:28:43,615
the site contains the existing 170 lot ponderosa

1223
01:28:44,225 --> 01:28:47,985
mobile home estates. Um, several tree rows, uh, large preserved

1224
01:28:48,535 --> 01:28:51,675
woodlot to the southwest, um, in avondale woods.

1225
01:28:52,765 --> 01:28:56,705
um, and the south, or the site, as you can see, is surrounded by existing single family

1226
01:28:56,985 --> 01:29:00,545
residential neighborhoods to the north, including balance tray and kramer's

1227
01:29:01,405 --> 01:29:05,365
crossing. Um, and the areas to the southeast of the city are within the city of

1228
01:29:05,765 --> 01:29:09,715
columbus and include single family homes, apartments, and some commercial uses.

1229
01:29:11,545 --> 01:29:14,915
um, the site is not presently served by water or sanitary sewer. Utilities

1230
01:29:15,585 --> 01:29:18,805
are designed to be extended with the extension of tu crossing boulevard,

1231
01:29:19,815 --> 01:29:23,645
which is presently not here, as

1232
01:29:23,865 --> 01:29:27,665
the applicant mentioned. Um, they have been in front of the planning and zoning commission,

1233
01:29:28,765 --> 01:29:32,285
uh, most recently in april of 2025. Um,

1234
01:29:33,165 --> 01:29:36,145
the commission was generally supportive of the changes that they'd made since the 2023

1235
01:29:37,545 --> 01:29:40,695
proposal, um, but recommended they further refine residential

1236
01:29:41,665 --> 01:29:45,415
densities and transitions between residential types, improve connections

1237
01:29:46,105 --> 01:29:49,145
between residential areas and propo proposed commercial development,

1238
01:29:50,365 --> 01:29:54,065
um, make stormwater or make sure that stormwater areas are more usable and better connected

1239
01:29:54,645 --> 01:29:58,605
as amenities and open spaces. Um, and that that continue or

1240
01:29:58,825 --> 01:30:02,685
the commission highlighted the necessity of transportation improvements in

1241
01:30:02,905 --> 01:30:06,745
the southwest area if future developments to occur. And then that

1242
01:30:06,945 --> 01:30:09,585
the applicant should continue to work with the neighbors in the area.

1243
01:30:12,815 --> 01:30:16,435
uh, since the april, 2025 commission meeting, the applicant

1244
01:30:16,895 --> 01:30:20,715
has hosted a virtual meeting, um, with some of the neighborhood surrounding

1245
01:30:20,955 --> 01:30:24,915
neighborhood associations, um, and properties as well as

1246
01:30:25,115 --> 01:30:29,035
their residents at ponderosa. Um, there have been public comments

1247
01:30:29,145 --> 01:30:32,475
submitted for this case, which were provided to the commission ahead of the meeting.

1248
01:30:35,705 --> 01:30:39,435
um, the community plan, um, is the document the city looks towards

1249
01:30:40,075 --> 01:30:44,015
when considering rezoning. The site, as I mentioned, is zoo zoned

1250
01:30:44,375 --> 01:30:48,155
rural. Presently the applicant is proposing, um, more

1251
01:30:48,445 --> 01:30:51,765
development. The two future land uses recommended are mixed use neighborhood

1252
01:30:52,495 --> 01:30:55,795
along avery road with residential mixed density,

1253
01:30:56,945 --> 01:31:00,555
um, recommended for the balance of the site. Similar

1254
01:31:01,105 --> 01:31:04,405
to the last case, this mixed use neighborhood is meant to be neighborhood

1255
01:31:05,125 --> 01:31:08,565
services located near existing and future residential areas,

1256
01:31:09,625 --> 01:31:12,805
um, with principal uses being more commercial and supporting

1257
01:31:13,635 --> 01:31:17,035
uses being residential. Um, I think to add upon,

1258
01:31:17,705 --> 01:31:21,595
um, what zach mentioned for this as supporting versus principal

1259
01:31:22,345 --> 01:31:25,725
is not only from a use standpoint, but the community plan makes recommendation

1260
01:31:26,385 --> 01:31:30,015
on character of the built environment. So residential areas in this mixed

1261
01:31:30,425 --> 01:31:34,245
use neighborhood could be used to help create more of that village or walkable

1262
01:31:34,815 --> 01:31:38,765
sense of place. So whether one or two commercial buildings might not be able to

1263
01:31:38,885 --> 01:31:42,525
do that, if you add residential buildings with that to help create enclosure

1264
01:31:43,185 --> 01:31:47,045
or a village feel, um, or something walkable, that that's how they can be also

1265
01:31:47,285 --> 01:31:51,165
be considered supporting. And

1266
01:31:51,385 --> 01:31:55,025
then the residential mixed density again is intended to provide

1267
01:31:55,465 --> 01:31:59,265
a mix of residential products between three and 12 dwelling per

1268
01:31:59,555 --> 01:32:02,085
acre, more residential and scaled one to three stories.

1269
01:32:04,955 --> 01:32:08,525
in addition to the future land use, this area is within the southwest

1270
01:32:09,135 --> 01:32:12,915
special area plan. Um, as mentioned,

1271
01:32:13,495 --> 01:32:16,665
um, with the future land use, there is a propo or a recommended,

1272
01:32:17,615 --> 01:32:20,805
uh, mixed use neighborhood node along avery,

1273
01:32:21,775 --> 01:32:24,895
um, organizing buildings to kind of create that sense of, um,

1274
01:32:25,885 --> 01:32:29,875
place the residential densities three to 12

1275
01:32:30,225 --> 01:32:34,025
that are proposed or recommended in the future land use. The southwest area plan

1276
01:32:34,315 --> 01:32:38,195
helps convey that it's not all intended to be 12 and that you should transition

1277
01:32:38,835 --> 01:32:42,475
from lower inten or lower density areas specifically to the north,

1278
01:32:43,175 --> 01:32:46,235
uh, the neighborhood neighborhoods along rings road and the residential,

1279
01:32:47,535 --> 01:32:51,495
um, properties on rings to more intense as you move, uh,

1280
01:32:51,725 --> 01:32:55,075
south into the southeast where the city of columbus has already built,

1281
01:32:55,895 --> 01:32:59,785
um, more intense residential products. Um, the special area plan also

1282
01:33:00,075 --> 01:33:03,915
highlights the existing natural features of the site and how to think about incorporating those

1283
01:33:04,745 --> 01:33:08,465
into the development. Other places in dublin, you will see, um, incorporate

1284
01:33:09,155 --> 01:33:12,435
those into true rows in the backyards or in front yards or into park features

1285
01:33:13,255 --> 01:33:17,125
or into the public realm. And then the special

1286
01:33:17,325 --> 01:33:21,105
area plan also mentions the, um, preserved open space in

1287
01:33:21,635 --> 01:33:25,325
aans woods. It's a large wood woodlot that that could become kind of a

1288
01:33:25,645 --> 01:33:29,405
backdrop for open space or park space. And then of course, the extension of total

1289
01:33:29,925 --> 01:33:33,825
crossing, which is intended to be similar like muirfield parkway, one

1290
01:33:34,125 --> 01:33:36,885
of our great street scapes with a lot of green in the roadway.

1291
01:33:40,425 --> 01:33:44,105
um, in envision dublin. The multimodal plan, uh,

1292
01:33:44,525 --> 01:33:47,445
thoroughfare plan rather also makes recommendations for future transportation,

1293
01:33:48,825 --> 01:33:52,525
um, improvements that are needed. Uh, total crossing boulevard as a corridor. Significance,

1294
01:33:53,145 --> 01:33:56,925
as I mentioned, um, a wider right of way to allow undulating

1295
01:33:57,335 --> 01:34:00,605
lanes more character. A very green, uh, parkway like aesthetic

1296
01:34:01,975 --> 01:34:05,645
rings road is intended to remain a two-lane collector, a rural character,

1297
01:34:06,745 --> 01:34:10,405
um, with future roads total crossing expansion of avery road.

1298
01:34:10,835 --> 01:34:14,805
it's intended that those roads handle more of, um, the traffic and that

1299
01:34:15,045 --> 01:34:18,955
street can maintain its rural character. Avery is, um, recommended

1300
01:34:19,645 --> 01:34:23,525
to be widened to four lanes. A recent roundabout improvement was made at rings and

1301
01:34:23,695 --> 01:34:27,605
avery. Um, future improvements might be needed there as well as a roundabout

1302
01:34:28,045 --> 01:34:31,365
with avery and the future extension of total crossing boulevard.

1303
01:34:32,505 --> 01:34:36,445
um, the city also has planned a bike tunnel under avery as part of that

1304
01:34:36,605 --> 01:34:37,275
intersection improvement

1305
01:34:40,835 --> 01:34:44,165
going through, uh, the proposed sub areas, 1, 2, 3, 4.

1306
01:34:45,325 --> 01:34:49,305
you'll see in the applicant's drawing that three and four were switched. Um, and a few of their

1307
01:34:49,425 --> 01:34:53,345
drawings. So we just picked one of them that they called four and one of 'em that they called three.

1308
01:34:54,085 --> 01:34:57,800
so four is the, uh, multifamily one in the south. Three is the mixed use

1309
01:34:58,115 --> 01:35:01,805
node. Um, sub area one contains 53 acres of single family

1310
01:35:02,435 --> 01:35:06,025
residential. Uh, two contains, um, the

1311
01:35:06,445 --> 01:35:09,805
existing ponderosa three as I mentioned, the mixed use and four, the multifamily.

1312
01:35:11,265 --> 01:35:14,785
um, so and sub area one, um, is the

1313
01:35:15,585 --> 01:35:19,205
single family. They have modified the street and open space network,

1314
01:35:19,945 --> 01:35:23,295
um, slightly to accommodate additional stormwater ponds.

1315
01:35:24,025 --> 01:35:27,605
the less area is shown as residential and more as open space

1316
01:35:28,095 --> 01:35:31,685
there. Um, dwelling units per acre remain the same in their proposal.

1317
01:35:34,235 --> 01:35:37,935
um, shown here as the applicant showed are some residential, um, character images.

1318
01:35:39,635 --> 01:35:43,535
um, this also highlights, um, the neighborhood design guidelines which are applicable

1319
01:35:43,895 --> 01:35:47,805
to sub sub area one, so single family, um, residential, both

1320
01:35:48,115 --> 01:35:51,895
detach and attach. This applies to the intent of the guidelines is to

1321
01:35:52,195 --> 01:35:55,295
foster character and sense of place in future single family neighborhoods

1322
01:35:56,515 --> 01:36:00,335
and make sure that landscape architecture and open space are thoughtfully designed.

1323
01:36:02,285 --> 01:36:06,215
sub area two is the existing ponderosa neighborhood. They

1324
01:36:06,505 --> 01:36:10,465
are not, or the applicant is not proposing any change or, um, major changes

1325
01:36:11,455 --> 01:36:15,325
with this, uh, application sub

1326
01:36:15,545 --> 01:36:18,855
area three is the mixed juice area, oops, sorry, neighborhood area.

1327
01:36:19,845 --> 01:36:23,625
um, similar to the last uh, proposal, some additional area

1328
01:36:24,005 --> 01:36:27,945
is shown for storm water, um, which seems to move some

1329
01:36:28,105 --> 01:36:30,005
of the development and open space areas around.

1330
01:36:32,605 --> 01:36:36,185
um, this, um, sub area is consistent

1331
01:36:36,745 --> 01:36:40,745
kind of with a mixed use, um, neighborhood recommended by the southwest

1332
01:36:41,345 --> 01:36:44,945
area plan and creating a character of in walkable area,

1333
01:36:46,465 --> 01:36:50,005
um, sub area four. Uh, for the multifamily, the applicant

1334
01:36:50,485 --> 01:36:54,325
has decreased the dwelling units per acre, sorry, zc should be

1335
01:36:55,025 --> 01:36:58,955
ac from 13 to 12 units. That 12 is the maximum recommended

1336
01:36:59,645 --> 01:37:03,575
by the future of land use. Um, they've also updated some of the stormwater ponds

1337
01:37:03,925 --> 01:37:07,885
and clubhouse near avery road. Um,

1338
01:37:08,125 --> 01:37:12,095
the applicant as they mentioned, have made changes to the open space. They

1339
01:37:12,385 --> 01:37:16,235
have, um, increased the amount of open space. However,

1340
01:37:17,005 --> 01:37:20,935
a number of this open space has included an increase in stormwater ponds, which

1341
01:37:21,285 --> 01:37:25,215
is something we just or the commission discussed at the last meeting to make sure that storm

1342
01:37:25,565 --> 01:37:29,405
water is being, um, used properly in ponds or that areas,

1343
01:37:30,425 --> 01:37:34,205
um, are more thoughtfully amenitized if we include ponds in those open

1344
01:37:34,485 --> 01:37:38,155
spaces. Uh,

1345
01:37:38,975 --> 01:37:42,635
a few changes to the street network, but still providing a, um,

1346
01:37:43,835 --> 01:37:47,415
for the extension of total crossing and additional neighborhood boulevards and local streets.

1347
01:37:48,635 --> 01:37:52,595
um, they have added the bike tunnel, um, at the roundabout or

1348
01:37:52,815 --> 01:37:56,695
future roundabout of avery road and rings road. Um, so

1349
01:37:56,915 --> 01:38:00,875
discussions are framed for the commission to facilitate non-binding feedback to the

1350
01:38:00,995 --> 01:38:04,815
applicant based on the commission's prior feedback in april. Um,

1351
01:38:06,055 --> 01:38:09,705
I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Will,

1352
01:38:10,175 --> 01:38:13,555
uh, open up to the commission now for questions for the applicant and staff.

1353
01:38:15,015 --> 01:38:18,665
gary, why don't you start us off? Um, just a couple. Um, chris

1354
01:38:19,525 --> 01:38:23,025
is is accurate that as a part of this development, they will actually build

1355
01:38:23,725 --> 01:38:27,705
the tell road extension to the end of their property. Thank you for

1356
01:38:27,865 --> 01:38:31,685
asking that. Um, at this stage we're looking for,

1357
01:38:32,565 --> 01:38:36,385
um, compliance with the community plan at the pdp

1358
01:38:36,825 --> 01:38:40,315
and rezoning. The applicant would be required to do a traffic impact study

1359
01:38:41,175 --> 01:38:44,685
that would determine which improvements are needed. Um,

1360
01:38:45,285 --> 01:38:48,855
as this is in the southwest area, it's not served yet by utilities

1361
01:38:49,605 --> 01:38:53,105
and we expect utilities to be extended with the street.

1362
01:38:54,085 --> 01:38:57,825
um, that is typical in dublin. The tis though will identify

1363
01:38:58,215 --> 01:39:01,865
what improvements that are need to be made onsite. There's no development

1364
01:39:02,265 --> 01:39:05,675
really, but offsite as well, and that will identify what those are at that stage.

1365
01:39:06,805 --> 01:39:09,865
so, okay. You answered my second question with the traffic study coming.

1366
01:39:11,615 --> 01:39:15,545
okay, thank, thank you. Um, I have a question for the

1367
01:39:15,705 --> 01:39:19,635
applicant. Um, is there

1368
01:39:19,755 --> 01:39:23,755
gonna be the mixed use, the way you've you've interpreted it

1369
01:39:23,935 --> 01:39:27,895
is, is separate individual buildings without any

1370
01:39:28,265 --> 01:39:31,995
integration within the buildings of two different uses. Is that accurate?

1371
01:39:32,495 --> 01:39:36,025
that's correct. Okay. So did, did you ever consider any residential

1372
01:39:37,225 --> 01:39:40,565
smaller units above the commercial? Um,

1373
01:39:41,285 --> 01:39:45,025
not at, not at that scale. And I think in the presentation it was

1374
01:39:45,365 --> 01:39:48,665
the, the orange buildings that are to the west and that mixed use are the residential

1375
01:39:49,445 --> 01:39:53,275
and then the blue are the commercial. Um, at, at that scale might

1376
01:39:53,625 --> 01:39:57,605
be a little bit challenging, um, to, to

1377
01:39:57,825 --> 01:40:01,765
incorporate residential onto a a second story, uh, on

1378
01:40:01,985 --> 01:40:05,965
that footprint of commercial. Um, we haven't considered it, not to

1379
01:40:06,045 --> 01:40:09,935
say that we wouldn't look at it, but something we haven't, uh, rolled up

1380
01:40:10,135 --> 01:40:13,655
our sleeves on. Those are the only questions I had. Thank you. Thank you, ms. Harder.

1381
01:40:15,985 --> 01:40:19,975
thank you. Thank you for being here. Appreciate it. Um, I've got a few

1382
01:40:20,295 --> 01:40:24,055
questions just about, um, meeting with the neighbors. Um, there was a

1383
01:40:24,455 --> 01:40:28,255
a, a zoom call or something. Are you planning on doing that

1384
01:40:28,495 --> 01:40:32,295
again or would there be in person and was the city

1385
01:40:32,605 --> 01:40:36,515
invited as well? Um, I, for our zoom call, we

1386
01:40:36,755 --> 01:40:40,495
met with the, um, designated hoa representatives.

1387
01:40:41,635 --> 01:40:45,535
um, I think if we were to move forward to the next stage, we probably would have more of an

1388
01:40:45,655 --> 01:40:49,555
open house forum in a larger setting where everybody could come. Um,

1389
01:40:49,915 --> 01:40:53,810
the city, I don't re, I don't think the city was invited to the, the zoom

1390
01:40:54,050 --> 01:40:58,035
meeting, um, but I, we tried to hit all of the, the hoas

1391
01:40:58,325 --> 01:41:02,285
that the property touches, um, and had a, had a decent turnout for

1392
01:41:02,445 --> 01:41:06,215
that. Okay. Um, so then in the future, uh,

1393
01:41:07,035 --> 01:41:11,035
bringing all parties together, is that your plan moving forward? Yeah, I think it,

1394
01:41:11,215 --> 01:41:15,135
um, it's, it's a bit of a coordination effort with the amount of communities around there, but, um,

1395
01:41:15,555 --> 01:41:19,395
I think we, we, we did that for the first concept plan at, uh, open house

1396
01:41:19,635 --> 01:41:23,595
and I think we do that again at, at the next step. Okay, thank you.

1397
01:41:23,895 --> 01:41:27,695
um, okay, so I'm thinking of ponderosa and thank you for

1398
01:41:28,265 --> 01:41:32,235
integrating it and having it there. Um, uh, we all see the importance

1399
01:41:32,595 --> 01:41:36,585
of that. Um, once, um, so

1400
01:41:36,805 --> 01:41:40,525
thinking about them, does that open up for some changes

1401
01:41:41,025 --> 01:41:44,845
for them? Meaning, um, uh, a different entrance

1402
01:41:45,385 --> 01:41:48,585
or, um, uh, sidewalks? Um,

1403
01:41:49,405 --> 01:41:53,165
I was also, uh, noticing, um, like their trash dumpster,

1404
01:41:53,825 --> 01:41:57,675
you know, regulations that are here. Does this move them? I guess it also,

1405
01:41:58,005 --> 01:42:01,875
I have that question for you and then I have the city question is, does

1406
01:42:02,165 --> 01:42:05,245
this change things for them? Does this become more of a neighborhood neighborhood?

1407
01:42:06,305 --> 01:42:10,145
but that's, yeah. What are your thoughts about new changes in,

1408
01:42:10,465 --> 01:42:14,305
in that area? Yeah, and I, I think our intent would be to, to

1409
01:42:14,525 --> 01:42:18,405
have them incorporated but also at the same time respect that they, they've been there and

1410
01:42:18,605 --> 01:42:22,325
have been a community on their own for a while. So, uh, to kind of have them

1411
01:42:23,045 --> 01:42:26,265
incorporated into the plant, but since sensitively, um,

1412
01:42:27,465 --> 01:42:31,045
you know, have ways of screening them so that they can still maintain their identity,

1413
01:42:31,625 --> 01:42:35,555
uh, that they have been in that setting for, for some time. Um, from

1414
01:42:35,945 --> 01:42:39,725
an improvement standpoint, I think the biggest thing would be the, the extension of public utilities. Mm-hmm

1415
01:42:40,165 --> 01:42:43,705
. That, that aren't there now. Um, so there's some private utility, um,

1416
01:42:44,425 --> 01:42:48,085
plants that are operating for the ponderosa facility that, uh, that opportunity

1417
01:42:48,565 --> 01:42:52,475
certainly would probably be the biggest one that would come along with this change. With

1418
01:42:52,765 --> 01:42:56,235
this project, do you, um, is it, is there road,

1419
01:42:56,825 --> 01:43:00,715
um, would that be provided by you all or is that from the city? The

1420
01:43:00,935 --> 01:43:04,815
current roads? Yeah, there, there, everything that's shown there is existing. There's just

1421
01:43:05,055 --> 01:43:09,055
the one connection from the west okay. That we would be providing as part of

1422
01:43:09,135 --> 01:43:12,815
the project. And then there are some trees that are on, seems to be that, that area.

1423
01:43:13,345 --> 01:43:17,255
would they stay or, um, yeah, similar to the last case, I think we,

1424
01:43:17,435 --> 01:43:21,425
we would do a tree survey and, and identify what, um, is worth

1425
01:43:21,775 --> 01:43:25,305
saving and what we could incorporate into the overall master

1426
01:43:25,835 --> 01:43:29,245
plan. Just a city question on that too. Would they expect any changes,

1427
01:43:29,985 --> 01:43:33,945
um, taking over ponderosa that haven't been? Uh, uh,

1428
01:43:34,205 --> 01:43:38,195
I know it's like the, the dumpster isn't, you know, covered and so forth. It's

1429
01:43:38,485 --> 01:43:42,045
just open. I mean, the app or the city wouldn't be taking over

1430
01:43:42,675 --> 01:43:46,325
ponderosa, it's a privately owned now and the streets are privately owned.

1431
01:43:46,955 --> 01:43:50,555
it's not been discussed if those streets would change from private

1432
01:43:51,345 --> 01:43:53,565
to public, um, at this point.

1433
01:43:56,825 --> 01:44:00,725
and then, um, the structures that are in that area that seems like,

1434
01:44:01,065 --> 01:44:04,955
um, cinder block and so forth, would those be removed or were those used

1435
01:44:05,265 --> 01:44:09,085
for any purpose at one point? Um, so one, one is the

1436
01:44:09,365 --> 01:44:12,805
water plant, another one is the sewage plant. Oh. So those have to remain operational

1437
01:44:13,495 --> 01:44:17,425
until the point they would be switched over to a, a public, um,

1438
01:44:18,035 --> 01:44:21,885
utility. Okay. Thank you. From, there might be a third one that might be used as,

1439
01:44:22,105 --> 01:44:25,825
as storage relief. I think there's a post office there too. Yeah, you said that. Yeah, that's

1440
01:44:26,245 --> 01:44:30,165
right. And then, um, the, one of

1441
01:44:30,285 --> 01:44:34,285
the questions I have too is the numbers have changed quite a

1442
01:44:34,405 --> 01:44:38,285
bit. There was 719 I was reading and then, uh, 8 0 7,

1443
01:44:39,905 --> 01:44:42,815
um, for residential units. What is the number today

1444
01:44:44,585 --> 01:44:48,485
for, for total units? Yeah. Uh, I was just asking drew, I don't know if he

1445
01:44:48,885 --> 01:44:52,565
. So based on the, on the densities

1446
01:44:59,715 --> 01:45:03,255
for three, so six area, so about 600 plus sub area three,

1447
01:45:04,065 --> 01:45:07,625
it sounds like we're probably, uh, somewhere between 600 and and

1448
01:45:08,385 --> 01:45:11,935
six 60. Yeah. Yeah. 300. Yeah. 300, 360.

1449
01:45:13,705 --> 01:45:17,425
yep. So this is the lowest number you've had since the

1450
01:45:17,885 --> 01:45:21,195
proposals that have come forward? That correct. Okay.

1451
01:45:22,055 --> 01:45:26,045
sorry, can I follow up to that? What, what was the pre prior proposal? How much did you reduce

1452
01:45:26,285 --> 01:45:30,165
it? Um, I, I don't have that off, off the top of my head. I have 8 0 7,

1453
01:45:32,135 --> 01:45:35,945
that was the last one. And really the seven 19 was the, the unit count. And I, and

1454
01:45:36,145 --> 01:45:39,765
I, I think we've mentioned this in the, especially in the larger sub area, um,

1455
01:45:40,325 --> 01:45:43,475
the, the intent was to show a a a max density there.

1456
01:45:44,405 --> 01:45:48,385
um, we are showing different types of housing types that could be accommodated.

1457
01:45:49,845 --> 01:45:53,405
um, we're not proposing this as a, a final layout per se.

1458
01:45:54,125 --> 01:45:58,065
so, uh, we just kind of wanted to establish a density ceiling that could

1459
01:45:58,265 --> 01:46:02,185
be established for that district so that when we came back for the next step, we could

1460
01:46:02,875 --> 01:46:06,725
further finalize kind of what that development standard would be. And for

1461
01:46:06,885 --> 01:46:10,465
us, the, the unit count has been more a function of, uh,

1462
01:46:11,105 --> 01:46:15,085
two things along the process. One was getting the alignment of tele crossing boulevard extension

1463
01:46:15,625 --> 01:46:19,485
set, and then the second big thing was the storm water. It's extremely flat site

1464
01:46:19,895 --> 01:46:23,845
storm water is challenging to accommodate. Um, and it, as we have

1465
01:46:24,505 --> 01:46:28,325
rolled up our sleeves on that effort, as you can see, it's starting to eat up more and more space,

1466
01:46:28,895 --> 01:46:32,825
which is required. Um, so that's kind of been more of a function of the

1467
01:46:33,205 --> 01:46:36,565
shifting of the, of the unit count, um, as we've progressed through

1468
01:46:37,705 --> 01:46:41,535
the studies and a good thing. Okay. And then, um,

1469
01:46:42,475 --> 01:46:45,155
I think my last question is, um, how close,

1470
01:46:46,655 --> 01:46:50,525
uh, are, how sensitive are you about the, about the apartments

1471
01:46:51,165 --> 01:46:54,465
that are near the single family places?

1472
01:46:55,385 --> 01:46:59,345
um, what kind of opportunities are you separating or,

1473
01:46:59,905 --> 01:47:03,795
uh, you know, in that, that I, I think, you know, in our

1474
01:47:03,955 --> 01:47:07,795
opinion and as vibrancy, we, we have a lot of mixed use unfill projects where you've

1475
01:47:08,115 --> 01:47:11,735
got higher density against single family and you've got introduced commercial and,

1476
01:47:12,215 --> 01:47:16,075
uh, it, it adds, uh, the character to, to the neighborhood. It

1477
01:47:16,275 --> 01:47:20,275
adds the walkability that I think is desired. Um, you know, we, we work

1478
01:47:20,575 --> 01:47:24,495
to work the density from, from lower, uh, rings road to, to

1479
01:47:24,715 --> 01:47:28,275
higher to the south and and respect kind of the existing single family residential

1480
01:47:28,915 --> 01:47:32,875
to the north. Um, so that was all kind of thought out as we

1481
01:47:33,035 --> 01:47:36,905
laid out that, that larger sub area, one with the, with the mix of residential

1482
01:47:37,595 --> 01:47:40,365
components. Okay. And then, um,

1483
01:47:42,265 --> 01:47:46,085
I guess on that note, um, office space too, uh, it

1484
01:47:46,305 --> 01:47:50,225
seems like that has reduced a bit. It, I think

1485
01:47:50,365 --> 01:47:54,355
the, um, you know, I don't know that we've, at least since

1486
01:47:54,735 --> 01:47:58,715
I've been on, on, on working on this, I don't know that we've ever thought of that space as, as office space.

1487
01:47:59,065 --> 01:48:02,625
it's probably more commercial space. Um, it's probably more similar

1488
01:48:03,125 --> 01:48:07,065
to the inline retail and, and and services, neighborhood services

1489
01:48:07,295 --> 01:48:10,945
that, um, you, that you've seen in, in the previous submittal as well.

1490
01:48:11,605 --> 01:48:15,465
um, you know, I think there's definitely a need in this area, uh, for those communities

1491
01:48:15,985 --> 01:48:19,705
to have those local neighborhood amenities and services. I, I

1492
01:48:20,235 --> 01:48:24,235
don't foresee this as a large office component. That's not to say there might not, there

1493
01:48:24,585 --> 01:48:28,505
could be a a, a smaller medical office component that made sense that that services

1494
01:48:28,725 --> 01:48:32,055
the neighborhoods, but certainly not a, a corporate office setting.

1495
01:48:33,525 --> 01:48:36,855
lastly, the ponds too. Um, it, can someone

1496
01:48:37,565 --> 01:48:41,465
go fishing or is there other amenities? It seems

1497
01:48:41,625 --> 01:48:45,455
like there's a lot of them now that we've incorporated that you've incorporated into

1498
01:48:45,745 --> 01:48:49,665
it. Yeah, I think we'd, we'd wanna, and, and I think we'd wanna work with staff about what,

1499
01:48:49,905 --> 01:48:53,655
what's the right kind of balance there of having the, the, the programmed amenity

1500
01:48:54,245 --> 01:48:58,145
on, on the, on the basins to have them incorporated into

1501
01:48:58,425 --> 01:49:02,185
our open space. But, um, not to be careful

1502
01:49:02,565 --> 01:49:06,505
not to detract from that by kind of stuffing too much into 'em as well.

1503
01:49:06,765 --> 01:49:10,685
so I certainly, I think that's all on the table. Um, and as

1504
01:49:10,905 --> 01:49:14,505
we, as you can see, we've kind of progressed our thoughts and our programming on those, but,

1505
01:49:15,085 --> 01:49:18,035
um, by no means are they, are they final? Thank you,

1506
01:49:19,335 --> 01:49:23,275
mr. Chair. Yes. Can we please get a name and address for the most recent speaker?

1507
01:49:23,635 --> 01:49:27,475
oh, sorry, . Thank you. Uh, colby turnock, casto two 50 civic center

1508
01:49:27,755 --> 01:49:31,605
drive, columbus, ohio. Thank you. Sorry

1509
01:49:32,655 --> 01:49:36,535
mr. Chinook, thank you again for being here. So

1510
01:49:36,895 --> 01:49:40,715
the, the, I think it's important delineation. I mean, that's a significant reduction in units

1511
01:49:41,015 --> 01:49:45,005
and a significant add in green space. So I don't want to, don't wanna just gloss

1512
01:49:45,355 --> 01:49:49,255
it over 'cause it's a, it's a pretty big change to this plan, which is I think a positive. Sorry,

1513
01:49:49,605 --> 01:49:53,565
we're not delineation. This is a question. Um, can we, I dunno if you can call up the

1514
01:49:53,725 --> 01:49:57,725
slide, but can you just, just to so everyone understands, can we run through the building

1515
01:49:57,805 --> 01:50:01,645
heights again just briefly, if you don't mind? Sure. And and I believe they haven't

1516
01:50:01,885 --> 01:50:04,205
changed since last time, correct? That's correct.

1517
01:50:13,885 --> 01:50:17,825
so yeah, can you just go through 'em briefly? Do you mind? Yeah. So if we work our way north to south, the single family

1518
01:50:18,105 --> 01:50:21,985
homes are just your standard single family home. And I don't know if that's

1519
01:50:22,185 --> 01:50:25,425
a 35 foot height district or, or what establishes that height.

1520
01:50:26,365 --> 01:50:30,305
um, the, the commercial buildings right now are shown as, as one story. I think some of

1521
01:50:30,425 --> 01:50:34,265
the inspirational images is more of a architectural effect, uh, to have

1522
01:50:34,545 --> 01:50:38,385
a one and a half or two story look to them. Um, but they would be one story

1523
01:50:38,625 --> 01:50:42,385
and function. Uh, the residential behind those would be two story.

1524
01:50:44,855 --> 01:50:48,565
and then the, the mix of, uh, residential components,

1525
01:50:49,615 --> 01:50:53,535
uh, in the larger sub area. One, uh, the

1526
01:50:54,555 --> 01:50:57,845
duplex triplex, um, town homes, those,

1527
01:50:58,615 --> 01:51:02,165
um, I think we are showing as two or three story.

1528
01:51:03,195 --> 01:51:07,195
I don't know that we have, um, a, a preference on that.

1529
01:51:07,315 --> 01:51:11,235
some of that could ultimately be. Um, and then,

1530
01:51:11,455 --> 01:51:15,455
you know, I'm thinking of the three story product that, uh, pulte is building and,

1531
01:51:15,675 --> 01:51:19,415
and bridge street district that the town home products. So some of that product is

1532
01:51:19,795 --> 01:51:23,795
suitable to three, some of it's better at two, that the, the triplex that we're

1533
01:51:24,035 --> 01:51:27,995
showing is actually a two story product, um, that almost has a little bit of a

1534
01:51:28,115 --> 01:51:32,075
ranch feel that, uh, the architects have done in another location. So it's a, it's

1535
01:51:32,315 --> 01:51:36,055
kind of a mix in that area. And then to the south, the,

1536
01:51:36,695 --> 01:51:40,375
the, uh, multifamily component would be three story. Thank

1537
01:51:40,725 --> 01:51:44,645
you. And then one final question. I know we're not supposed to get

1538
01:51:44,765 --> 01:51:48,745
into the details, but we inevitably always do the main fur

1539
01:51:49,285 --> 01:51:53,205
thoroughfare, I guess called a boulevard. It seemed it's moved to be, you got like

1540
01:51:53,445 --> 01:51:57,255
a green median in there now. Um, and the prior, prior plan, which,

1541
01:51:57,605 --> 01:52:01,555
which again is I think is a positive. The prior plan had a lot of, uh, land

1542
01:52:01,875 --> 01:52:05,725
like trees, street scape, um, significant amount more trees along there. Again,

1543
01:52:05,965 --> 01:52:09,595
um, you know, we're, you're adding a ton of green space, but I'm just asking like

1544
01:52:10,035 --> 01:52:13,965
that, that's, that's still similar, right? That would be a, the streetscape, but that's correct. I,

1545
01:52:14,165 --> 01:52:18,005
I think this rendered site plan just didn't pick up all, all of the landscape elements

1546
01:52:18,445 --> 01:52:22,305
on it. Um, but you can start to see that in the, in the cross section of

1547
01:52:22,525 --> 01:52:26,285
the tunnel crossing extension. You can kind of see how that green space,

1548
01:52:27,065 --> 01:52:29,915
as drew mentioned, we kind of envision that being programmed. Perfect.

1549
01:52:31,295 --> 01:52:35,215
thank you. Thank you. Um, chris,

1550
01:52:35,565 --> 01:52:37,785
could you pull up the, it's labeled, um,

1551
01:52:40,405 --> 01:52:42,055
site analysis. I think I read somewhere

1552
01:52:45,665 --> 01:52:49,225
that one. Yes. Um, I'm just curious

1553
01:52:49,685 --> 01:52:53,685
in, in this, this, this analysis, um, it, you

1554
01:52:53,905 --> 01:52:57,305
have a g and an l kind of a, it looks like a tree line,

1555
01:52:58,125 --> 01:53:01,965
um, that doesn't seem to be reflected in the new

1556
01:53:02,255 --> 01:53:06,045
plan. I just wondered, you've highlighted it on the analysis, but

1557
01:53:06,265 --> 01:53:10,265
you haven't reflected it in the plan. I think that's something we want to study and it's, we talked

1558
01:53:10,545 --> 01:53:14,345
about it a little bit before, but how, how do we provide ponderosa the appropriate kind of separation?

1559
01:53:15,525 --> 01:53:19,185
um, but also include them kind of in, in the programming in the network.

1560
01:53:20,045 --> 01:53:23,905
um, so I think that's kind of a, a little bit of a, to be determined okay. And working

1561
01:53:24,145 --> 01:53:27,865
with those residents and, and, and you guys and staff to figure out what the right treatment

1562
01:53:28,225 --> 01:53:32,035
would be there. Okay. Um, and kind of building

1563
01:53:32,255 --> 01:53:35,715
on that, the interesting thing that to me that, that that

1564
01:53:36,425 --> 01:53:39,805
pattern establishes is there's this, um, north, south

1565
01:53:40,705 --> 01:53:44,155
kind of green way that it starts a rhythm

1566
01:53:44,855 --> 01:53:48,245
and then you have the hedge row that's in the middle of f which

1567
01:53:49,015 --> 01:53:52,755
you haven't highlighted, but, and it isn't reflected. And again, again, back to this,

1568
01:53:53,335 --> 01:53:57,295
the comment somebody made earlier about the existing trees on the site mm-hmm . Um,

1569
01:53:57,905 --> 01:54:01,265
that would give you another kind of north south greenway. Yeah.

1570
01:54:02,135 --> 01:54:05,515
and it, it also, um, I I I guess I'm just asking,

1571
01:54:06,515 --> 01:54:10,425
I I think your answer to my question was we're studying it still. Right? But yeah.

1572
01:54:11,065 --> 01:54:14,475
okay. But those are still considerations that you're trying to integrate? Absolutely. Yep.

1573
01:54:16,105 --> 01:54:16,795
um, okay.

1574
01:54:22,485 --> 01:54:26,465
I think, oh, um, yeah, I think that's it actually. Oh, oh

1575
01:54:26,685 --> 01:54:30,125
no, I want to make the comment about, um, so again, I, I appreciate

1576
01:54:30,825 --> 01:54:34,815
the reduction in density and I, I wanted

1577
01:54:35,055 --> 01:54:38,935
to make, uh, and it's really great that you've added this more open space in and,

1578
01:54:39,315 --> 01:54:43,095
and it kind of dovetails off of this idea of are there some other north south

1579
01:54:43,365 --> 01:54:46,595
greenways that we be part of that plan, but, um,

1580
01:54:48,235 --> 01:54:51,945
the exist, the, the, the unit layout still was quite

1581
01:54:52,565 --> 01:54:55,655
intense. And so had you thought about how you might,

1582
01:54:56,635 --> 01:55:00,475
um, kind of softened that intensity

1583
01:55:02,375 --> 01:55:06,015
wi within sub area one? Are you referencing or

1584
01:55:06,385 --> 01:55:09,195
just a yeah, help me with num. Yes, that's one, right? Yeah.

1585
01:55:10,905 --> 01:55:14,865
yeah. Yeah. I, I think, you know, it was a, it was a little bit of a balance.

1586
01:55:15,655 --> 01:55:19,615
um, I think previously we probably had not

1587
01:55:19,935 --> 01:55:23,835
as large of a central green area and we had a

1588
01:55:23,955 --> 01:55:27,695
little bit more of a pocket kind of opportunity right. Which helped

1589
01:55:28,975 --> 01:55:32,555
spread that intensity. And then when we kind of shifted to a larger

1590
01:55:33,625 --> 01:55:37,515
community component, it kind of brought that. So yeah, I mean, I think

1591
01:55:37,875 --> 01:55:41,115
there's areas we could probably look at and maybe reintroducing some of those elements.

1592
01:55:42,375 --> 01:55:46,065
um, but yeah, kind of when we, when we went down that path, it tightened

1593
01:55:46,505 --> 01:55:50,325
kind of the, the plan up, uh, from the residual land that was left, so.

1594
01:55:50,555 --> 01:55:54,425
right. Okay. Um, and I did have another question.

1595
01:55:54,645 --> 01:55:57,245
um, the apartments. Yes. Um,

1596
01:55:59,365 --> 01:56:03,315
tuttle crossing in its proposed alignment sets

1597
01:56:03,725 --> 01:56:06,915
a very kind of soft curve, linear kind of feel.

1598
01:56:07,745 --> 01:56:10,835
mm-hmm . That seems to be reflected somewhat in the northern part,

1599
01:56:11,825 --> 01:56:15,745
but the apartments seem to be extremely rigid and it's, and

1600
01:56:16,045 --> 01:56:19,805
I I said you look at trying to create

1601
01:56:20,475 --> 01:56:24,065
more, you know, maybe some play of those units so that they more relate

1602
01:56:24,545 --> 01:56:28,395
to the parkway in a positive way as opposed to kind

1603
01:56:28,685 --> 01:56:32,565
of confronting it in a very angular way. Yeah, no, that's, that's

1604
01:56:32,845 --> 01:56:36,245
a good point. I see what you're saying. Yeah. Um, no, yeah, we certainly can, can look at that.

1605
01:56:37,075 --> 01:56:41,065
okay. Great. That is all the

1606
01:56:41,345 --> 01:56:45,325
questions I had. Any more questions from the commission? All right. So now

1607
01:56:45,595 --> 01:56:49,505
let's go into public comment. Thank you, uh, gentlemen for your

1608
01:56:49,625 --> 01:56:53,385
presentation. Um, is anybody here

1609
01:56:53,765 --> 01:56:57,665
to speak to this development? If you could, I'll let you fight

1610
01:56:57,945 --> 01:57:01,865
between yourselves about who comes up first, but I think you won . If you could

1611
01:57:02,185 --> 01:57:05,905
approach the, the mic is on. If you could state your name and address,

1612
01:57:06,735 --> 01:57:09,925
we'd appreciate it. My name is barbara wright. My address is 6 2 4 4

1613
01:57:11,065 --> 01:57:13,405
cartwright lane north. Um,

1614
01:57:15,205 --> 01:57:18,445
I have a question about the property behind my house.

1615
01:57:20,105 --> 01:57:23,205
um, if we could get a map up, that would be great.

1616
01:57:29,225 --> 01:57:33,165
that's not really the one I wanted, but that's okay. Just there is

1617
01:57:33,405 --> 01:57:37,005
a house behind me right now and I live on the outside

1618
01:57:37,515 --> 01:57:41,215
edge up there. And,

1619
01:57:41,575 --> 01:57:45,215
uh, I wanted to know what was happening with that house and if it,

1620
01:57:45,735 --> 01:57:47,945
uh, I've seen a couple designs.

1621
01:57:50,355 --> 01:57:54,235
and don't ask me where I saw them because I can't remember, but,

1622
01:57:54,715 --> 01:57:58,205
uh, it looked like there was a picnic area in that spot

1623
01:57:59,355 --> 01:58:03,355
and I wondered if that was the case or was it all the

1624
01:58:03,575 --> 01:58:07,455
house gonna go away? Is there green space? 'cause I have a problem

1625
01:58:07,715 --> 01:58:10,055
if there's a picnic area right behind my house.

1626
01:58:14,405 --> 01:58:18,365
I can't answer that question, but we will. I think that's an issue that you could

1627
01:58:18,525 --> 01:58:22,485
work with staff on and that you can point to the map exactly with what you're

1628
01:58:22,725 --> 01:58:26,485
talking about. But I'm not quite sure. Okay. Unless staff

1629
01:58:26,825 --> 01:58:27,085
has a,

1630
01:58:32,365 --> 01:58:35,925
we can follow up with you after. But if you also wanna make a comment or

1631
01:58:37,085 --> 01:58:41,045
phrase your question in terms of a comment. 'cause it seems like it is a

1632
01:58:41,165 --> 01:58:45,105
comment that you can make now and we can still follow up later. Okay. My, my question is, what's

1633
01:58:45,535 --> 01:58:49,435
going to be, uh, behind me towards

1634
01:58:49,945 --> 01:58:53,845
the road? Is it gonna be green space? Is the house gonna stay there?

1635
01:58:55,305 --> 01:58:59,295
or, uh, in

1636
01:58:59,515 --> 01:59:03,445
terms of a comment, what would you like to see behind your house? Green

1637
01:59:03,795 --> 01:59:07,125
space. If I had to, if I had to have something green space.

1638
01:59:07,865 --> 01:59:11,705
okay. That's great. Appreciate that. And again, mr. Will said

1639
01:59:11,995 --> 01:59:15,965
he'd be willing to work with you to answer that question in more detail. Okay. Thank you. Thank

1640
01:59:16,315 --> 01:59:16,315
you.

1641
01:59:28,645 --> 01:59:31,655
christian cooney 58 35 barron's court way.

1642
01:59:32,675 --> 01:59:36,015
um, I appreciate the, the changes that have been made to the plan,

1643
01:59:36,835 --> 01:59:39,655
uh, but there's still four major points that haven't been addressed.

1644
01:59:40,915 --> 01:59:44,595
uh, the first is the country lane feel of rings road. Uh,

1645
01:59:45,225 --> 01:59:49,125
across the road there are two major hoas. One is kramer cross

1646
01:59:49,325 --> 01:59:52,805
and the other is balance tree. The distance, there's a really beautiful

1647
01:59:53,425 --> 01:59:56,705
wooded pathway, um, that is

1648
01:59:58,275 --> 02:00:02,145
from across from kramer crossing. Um, there is

1649
02:00:02,605 --> 02:00:06,455
a hundred feet of wooded pathway from rings

1650
02:00:06,805 --> 02:00:10,795
road to the frontage of the road that

1651
02:00:11,085 --> 02:00:14,285
then the residents of, of, uh, kramer crossing go onto

1652
02:00:15,425 --> 02:00:18,635
in balance tray. That distance is 50 feet. Um,

1653
02:00:20,045 --> 02:00:22,925
this proposal of people's backyards backing into

1654
02:00:24,635 --> 02:00:28,065
the, uh, into rings road, uh, seems lackluster

1655
02:00:29,035 --> 02:00:33,005
and out of character to the intent of maintaining that country lane

1656
02:00:33,405 --> 02:00:37,395
feel. So something along that line should be addressed. A wooded pathway,

1657
02:00:37,895 --> 02:00:41,755
at least, at least the same distance as as balance tree with that

1658
02:00:41,955 --> 02:00:45,855
50, with the 50 feet to a roadway. And then homes facing

1659
02:00:46,445 --> 02:00:50,055
rings road instead of their backyards. The second piece is the density.

1660
02:00:51,155 --> 02:00:55,135
um, the envision dublin plan, when everyone saw it, you, I,

1661
02:00:55,375 --> 02:00:58,735
I know balance rate got pretty excited about the west innovation

1662
02:00:59,415 --> 02:01:02,555
district, but when we looked to the south, we saw

1663
02:01:03,765 --> 02:01:07,475
this, this plan and it looked reasonable. One to three homes per

1664
02:01:07,805 --> 02:01:11,165
acre. Um, then butting up to four to six,

1665
02:01:12,545 --> 02:01:16,305
and then another then far almost to the, to where they have it now,

1666
02:01:16,835 --> 02:01:20,685
then it went to seven to nine, and then the, and then the 10

1667
02:01:20,885 --> 02:01:24,595
to 12. This pushes one to six

1668
02:01:24,935 --> 02:01:28,595
all the way to the western part of the property, which is then gonna influence

1669
02:01:29,275 --> 02:01:33,055
wick. Its developed to the west. I think that it, that having

1670
02:01:33,635 --> 02:01:37,425
a greater fidelity to the envision dublin plan on density would be very

1671
02:01:37,715 --> 02:01:41,685
good. The third piece is a traffic flow, particularly

1672
02:01:42,485 --> 02:01:46,135
under rings road. The, this project really feels like three

1673
02:01:46,845 --> 02:01:50,185
separate projects that have been conglomerated into one.

1674
02:01:51,145 --> 02:01:54,935
you have the residential of one to three, one to six, which drain

1675
02:01:55,315 --> 02:01:58,775
onto rings road. You then have the avery,

1676
02:01:59,665 --> 02:02:03,485
you know, commercial area, um, which I think was

1677
02:02:03,805 --> 02:02:07,035
intended as a mixed use, not as sort of apartment buildings backing onto

1678
02:02:08,175 --> 02:02:12,085
commercial, which seemed really strange. Um, and then you had the

1679
02:02:12,285 --> 02:02:16,075
apartment complex that drained onto, um, onto

1680
02:02:16,605 --> 02:02:20,445
tuttle crossing. If you have the tuttle crossing traffic draining

1681
02:02:21,105 --> 02:02:24,845
up to rings road, rings road is gonna become a nightmare.

1682
02:02:25,955 --> 02:02:29,725
it's, I I, I would, I would think that a better solution is that there is no connection

1683
02:02:30,245 --> 02:02:33,965
between the apartment buildings to rings road, that

1684
02:02:34,255 --> 02:02:38,155
they'd have to go through avery or crown tuttle up to cos gray or beyond.

1685
02:02:39,115 --> 02:02:42,975
but having the north south corridor in that area just seems like it's

1686
02:02:43,335 --> 02:02:47,095
inviting tremendous problems to it. Um, the fourth,

1687
02:02:47,515 --> 02:02:51,055
the fourth piece is the park in the southwest corner of the property.

1688
02:02:51,935 --> 02:02:55,055
um, envision dublin called for

1689
02:02:56,455 --> 02:02:59,415
it. It recognized there was a lack of amenities in southwest dublin

1690
02:03:00,525 --> 02:03:04,425
and one of the, one of their big solutions to that was to use a large

1691
02:03:04,665 --> 02:03:07,985
part of that property, um, as a

1692
02:03:09,075 --> 02:03:12,855
major park. So parking, it would be a destination park that

1693
02:03:13,145 --> 02:03:16,965
would then lead into the wooded area that is north of

1694
02:03:17,425 --> 02:03:21,025
avondale. Um, and at this point, I don't see anything

1695
02:03:21,635 --> 02:03:25,465
being thought through on that. Um, half of that of that park

1696
02:03:25,725 --> 02:03:29,625
has been cut in half and two more apartment complexes have been put in

1697
02:03:29,745 --> 02:03:33,585
it versus what was suggested envisioned in envision dublin. So the

1698
02:03:33,785 --> 02:03:37,625
city and the developer really needs to address what that park is gonna look like

1699
02:03:38,165 --> 02:03:41,065
and how that becomes a destination park. The only destination park in southwest

1700
02:03:42,675 --> 02:03:45,915
dublin is, uh, the balance tree park splash pad,

1701
02:03:46,915 --> 02:03:50,835
and it's packed in the summer. Um, so that being addressed would

1702
02:03:50,995 --> 02:03:54,835
be, would be very important. Thank you. So those are the four concerns. Thank you. The, the country

1703
02:03:55,025 --> 02:03:58,995
lane feel, the density, uh, the traffic flow to

1704
02:03:59,155 --> 02:04:02,035
rings road and the park. Thank you. Thank you.

1705
02:04:04,875 --> 02:04:08,855
remind everyone that we do have a three minute limit and the red light will flash when your

1706
02:04:09,215 --> 02:04:09,695
time is up.

1707
02:04:14,185 --> 02:04:18,005
hi, my name's kathy gates. I live at 5 7 3 3 stockton

1708
02:04:18,525 --> 02:04:22,165
way in kramer's crossing. And, um, I tend to agree

1709
02:04:22,795 --> 02:04:26,625
with the gentleman that just spoke about his comments about rings road, but

1710
02:04:26,955 --> 02:04:30,245
also I'm just concerned about the density and the traffic

1711
02:04:31,065 --> 02:04:34,965
on avery road. Even though it's gonna be expanded, even though we've added

1712
02:04:35,285 --> 02:04:39,035
a roundabout, it's still difficult at times to get outta kramer crossing onto

1713
02:04:39,495 --> 02:04:43,405
avery ings road to access other areas, which then forces

1714
02:04:44,045 --> 02:04:47,865
a lot of my neighbors and myself to go down and go through balance tray. So

1715
02:04:48,225 --> 02:04:51,975
you're creating another different kind of traffic flow and possible traffic issue.

1716
02:04:53,025 --> 02:04:56,925
but, um, and I'm gonna apologize because this is my first time I've been able

1717
02:04:57,165 --> 02:05:00,925
to join this conversation and um, I'm not very versed

1718
02:05:01,345 --> 02:05:05,165
on a lot of the information that they've shared in the past, but I'm really concerned

1719
02:05:05,605 --> 02:05:09,505
about the impact this community in this area is gonna have on the

1720
02:05:09,835 --> 02:05:13,765
area, not just on the avery road, but cos gray

1721
02:05:14,025 --> 02:05:17,955
too, because there's a lot of traffic on cos gray and there's more

1722
02:05:18,855 --> 02:05:22,805
discussion about building on cos gray where the area between

1723
02:05:23,475 --> 02:05:27,365
dari fields and down towards, uh, hay and run. So there's

1724
02:05:27,685 --> 02:05:31,665
a lot of interest there. So I'm really concerned about the impact on

1725
02:05:31,885 --> 02:05:35,795
my neighbors. I'm concerned about the impact on ponderosa because

1726
02:05:36,675 --> 02:05:40,245
when we moved into kramer's crossing, or actually the whole time I've lived in dublin,

1727
02:05:41,235 --> 02:05:44,605
ponderosa was designated as an affordable area for elder

1728
02:05:45,925 --> 02:05:49,165
residents. And what kind of impact is this gonna have on them?

1729
02:05:50,185 --> 02:05:53,925
is there, are there property prices gonna go up? I mean, is it gonna impact their taxes?

1730
02:05:54,395 --> 02:05:58,205
what is it gonna do to them? And is it still gonna be affordable to live there?

1731
02:05:59,145 --> 02:06:02,985
um, so I'm concerned about that. I'm concerned about my

1732
02:06:03,445 --> 02:06:07,445
neighbors. A lot of families in my neighborhood have children. How's it gonna impact the school

1733
02:06:07,725 --> 02:06:11,565
systems? So, um, I really just came

1734
02:06:12,305 --> 02:06:16,235
to kind of lured myself what was going on and I didn't have access to all the maps.

1735
02:06:16,525 --> 02:06:20,285
so I'm, I'm not really versed on where everything is, but I just

1736
02:06:20,625 --> 02:06:24,485
ask everyone to really study the impact, you know,

1737
02:06:24,935 --> 02:06:28,925
about how it's gonna affect the neighborhoods and how it's gonna

1738
02:06:29,045 --> 02:06:32,965
affect the other residents. You know, we have a lot of buildings south of us

1739
02:06:33,145 --> 02:06:36,995
on avery road down on riggins road, where there's a huge, huge

1740
02:06:37,285 --> 02:06:41,045
apartment community going in right now, and that traffic

1741
02:06:41,415 --> 02:06:45,225
comes down our way as well. Um, also too,

1742
02:06:45,635 --> 02:06:49,565
when you get involved with retail, what retail, what services

1743
02:06:49,855 --> 02:06:53,565
could possibly, possibly need that we don't already have within a three

1744
02:06:54,025 --> 02:06:57,925
to five mile radius. I mean, it doesn't take me very long to get to a post office,

1745
02:06:58,465 --> 02:07:01,925
to get to a, a grocery store, to go down to starbucks.

1746
02:07:02,485 --> 02:07:06,465
I mean, what kind of retail would be necessary in

1747
02:07:06,705 --> 02:07:10,605
an area like that? So those are my concerns and I really thank you for listening

1748
02:07:11,005 --> 02:07:14,925
to me and I would appreciate that you take these concerns under

1749
02:07:15,445 --> 02:07:19,365
consideration. Also to, one last thing. My property backs up to

1750
02:07:19,565 --> 02:07:23,285
the dublin south pool. So in regards to dog parks,

1751
02:07:23,765 --> 02:07:27,665
in the last conversation we had a dog, uh, illegal dog park in

1752
02:07:28,025 --> 02:07:31,725
our backyard. And it's not pleasant. So when you

1753
02:07:32,045 --> 02:07:35,525
consider adding dog parks, please don't put it beside some behind somebody's residence

1754
02:07:36,545 --> 02:07:40,405
and also even the picnicking area. Make sure you have enough space so that

1755
02:07:40,605 --> 02:07:44,445
it's not infringing on the property owner. Thank you. Thank you.

1756
02:07:45,025 --> 02:07:48,445
mr. Will, just for clarification, this project will require a traffic impact study.

1757
02:07:50,595 --> 02:07:54,445
nothing is required with the concept plan 'cause no determination is made. If it

1758
02:07:54,855 --> 02:07:58,365
would take a step towards the preliminary development plan, every zoning

1759
02:07:59,085 --> 02:08:02,725
a traffic impact study would be required and it would document all improvements.

1760
02:08:04,015 --> 02:08:07,285
thank you. Yes, sir. Uh, hello. My name is kevin griffin.

1761
02:08:08,025 --> 02:08:11,745
my address is 55 59 var lane. Um,

1762
02:08:12,425 --> 02:08:16,395
I'm really, uh, more here to address the property west

1763
02:08:16,785 --> 02:08:20,745
of ponderosa, the residential area. Uh, if you'll excuse, excuse,

1764
02:08:21,265 --> 02:08:24,495
uh, my bluntness for a moment. Um, I think this plan sucks.

1765
02:08:25,825 --> 02:08:29,595
um, it's too much. It's, uh, too congested.

1766
02:08:30,275 --> 02:08:33,915
there's too many units. Most importantly, this

1767
02:08:34,305 --> 02:08:38,285
is not at all like the neighborhoods on the opposite

1768
02:08:38,635 --> 02:08:42,585
side of rings road. When, uh, my wife and I, we

1769
02:08:42,805 --> 02:08:46,605
built our house 22 years ago. And now when I go down to that

1770
02:08:46,835 --> 02:08:50,785
bike path on rings road, and I look to the south and

1771
02:08:51,085 --> 02:08:54,835
I see that tree line, it's really not very far from

1772
02:08:55,125 --> 02:08:58,845
where I'm standing. And I'm looking at that tree line and I'm going,

1773
02:08:59,355 --> 02:09:02,725
there's gonna be a row of apartments, tunnel crossing,

1774
02:09:03,485 --> 02:09:06,415
a row of cluster homes, a little bit of green space,

1775
02:09:07,795 --> 02:09:11,765
four to six rows of town homes, and then

1776
02:09:12,765 --> 02:09:16,485
a single row of single family homes. It makes my stomach

1777
02:09:16,835 --> 02:09:20,505
turn. This is not the dublin that I wanted to live in.

1778
02:09:21,525 --> 02:09:25,245
um, when you look at, when I looked at google maps zoomed

1779
02:09:25,665 --> 02:09:29,065
out a little bit more, you guys had some pictures that were very similar to this.

1780
02:09:29,885 --> 02:09:33,465
if you look at the highlands of balance tray directly across the street,

1781
02:09:34,405 --> 02:09:38,205
you rotate that 90 degrees. You're looking at roughly the

1782
02:09:38,425 --> 02:09:42,425
same number of acreage, roughly the same acreage. Uh, as all of this that's

1783
02:09:42,665 --> 02:09:46,605
being proposed, there are 88 single family

1784
02:09:47,115 --> 02:09:51,055
homes in the highlands of entre. And in roughly that

1785
02:09:51,495 --> 02:09:54,705
same acreage, this proposal calls for 170

1786
02:09:55,695 --> 02:09:59,105
town homes, 16 cluster homes, 23 duplexes,

1787
02:09:59,885 --> 02:10:03,735
and 14 single family homes in the same acreage

1788
02:10:04,685 --> 02:10:07,905
as 88. It's just too much.

1789
02:10:09,155 --> 02:10:13,065
avery crossing should compliment our neighborhoods. It should feel like we

1790
02:10:13,265 --> 02:10:17,225
have an extension of our neighborhoods. It should not be a

1791
02:10:17,345 --> 02:10:20,985
transition to riggins road. Thank you for your time, I appreciate it.

1792
02:10:21,635 --> 02:10:21,985
thank you.

1793
02:10:36,295 --> 02:10:40,095
good evening. My name is victoria mcdonald. I live at 5 6 4 2 time

1794
02:10:40,545 --> 02:10:44,225
castle loop, which I wanna thank you for your time and listening

1795
02:10:44,585 --> 02:10:48,545
to all of us tonight. Thank you for your presentation. I'm here to voice

1796
02:10:48,805 --> 02:10:52,565
my concerns regarding the proposed development plan. I'm concerned about the impact

1797
02:10:52,985 --> 02:10:56,885
of the high density development as shown in the current site plan. It

1798
02:10:57,105 --> 02:11:00,785
does not preserve the rural character of the established community and does not respect

1799
02:11:01,145 --> 02:11:05,045
the quality of life that current residents are accustomed to. Particularly the

1800
02:11:05,265 --> 02:11:07,945
senior residents in the ponderosa mobile home park.

1801
02:11:09,355 --> 02:11:12,915
residents in this area value, peace, privacy, and connection to nature.

1802
02:11:13,985 --> 02:11:17,755
high density development will threaten to diminish these values as it will introduce

1803
02:11:18,155 --> 02:11:21,965
traffic noise and light pollution. The current

1804
02:11:22,205 --> 02:11:26,075
rural character of the area promotes open space, farmland and natural scenery.

1805
02:11:27,425 --> 02:11:31,205
high density housing will undermine these assets by replacing them with crowded housing units,

1806
02:11:32,475 --> 02:11:36,295
introducing noise, traffic, and pollution that will greatly impact

1807
02:11:37,055 --> 02:11:40,395
our quality of life. If we look at the 2023

1808
02:11:41,065 --> 02:11:44,915
plan, even casto acknowledged the single family detached homes were the most

1809
02:11:45,075 --> 02:11:49,035
responsive and sympathetic in response to maintaining the character of the mobile

1810
02:11:49,195 --> 02:11:53,025
home park. Yet the current plans that those buffers, the

1811
02:11:53,245 --> 02:11:57,125
current plan, shows that those buffers have been reduced completely engulfing the mobile

1812
02:11:57,315 --> 02:12:01,245
home park and not allowing them distance and space from the

1813
02:12:01,565 --> 02:12:05,365
proposed development. As I've had to sit in on many opportunities

1814
02:12:06,105 --> 02:12:09,725
of council meetings over the past year, it's become evident that the thoughtful

1815
02:12:10,125 --> 02:12:13,965
process of planning does not often align with the values of the residents and

1816
02:12:14,165 --> 02:12:18,015
community neighbors that will have the greatest impact. I was just here

1817
02:12:18,175 --> 02:12:22,015
on monday and listened to residents that were from martin road. They're facing similar

1818
02:12:22,575 --> 02:12:24,895
concerns and express their concerns about development.

1819
02:12:26,605 --> 02:12:30,465
I'm here to urge casto planning and zoning members to respect

1820
02:12:30,785 --> 02:12:34,625
the identity of our community and pursue development plans that align with

1821
02:12:34,825 --> 02:12:38,795
the scale and character of the existing landscape. Low

1822
02:12:39,015 --> 02:12:42,375
density, sustainable growth will preserve the integrity of our community.

1823
02:12:43,105 --> 02:12:44,975
thank you. Thank you.

1824
02:12:52,755 --> 02:12:56,485
uh, hello. I'm tim myers. I live at, uh, 58 45 glen

1825
02:12:56,775 --> 02:13:00,755
daven court. I'm here, uh, mainly, uh, uh, as

1826
02:13:00,975 --> 02:13:04,855
a balancer resident with the concerns with the, uh, rings road traffic, and then of

1827
02:13:05,015 --> 02:13:08,815
course, the density of the proposed development. Uh, listening to the

1828
02:13:09,535 --> 02:13:13,395
emerald parkway presentation and the avery crossing res, uh,

1829
02:13:13,615 --> 02:13:17,575
presentation, I, I felt there was a lot more depth and thought put into

1830
02:13:17,855 --> 02:13:21,215
the emerald development than what I heard from the avery crossing.

1831
02:13:21,995 --> 02:13:25,795
um, I think the response to more green space, um, seemed

1832
02:13:26,215 --> 02:13:30,125
rather transactional. We just sort of dropped some things in corners here and there to satisfy your

1833
02:13:30,415 --> 02:13:34,005
request for more green space. Um, I, I would think that

1834
02:13:34,545 --> 02:13:38,525
it could have been a little more thoughtful. Um, and, and honestly, when

1835
02:13:38,685 --> 02:13:42,445
I look at the sketches, it doesn't feel like dublin. It feels like columbus, and maybe that's

1836
02:13:42,765 --> 02:13:46,685
okay, but it's hard to really go there and say,

1837
02:13:47,115 --> 02:13:51,025
well, that's dublin. Um, it

1838
02:13:51,375 --> 02:13:55,085
maybe it was clear to you guys. It wasn't clear to me how much the density actually reduced,

1839
02:13:55,545 --> 02:13:59,525
but the only thing that stands out in my mind is this huge cluster of homes right in the middle of the

1840
02:13:59,685 --> 02:14:03,605
park and the density and the traffic and the congestion that's gonna come of

1841
02:14:03,725 --> 02:14:07,615
that. You know, I mentioned, uh, you know, being able to go over to balance trade,

1842
02:14:07,875 --> 02:14:11,855
but I, I would fear walking across rings road. And I also

1843
02:14:12,095 --> 02:14:15,975
fear, as another member mentioned, uh, rings road will be a cut through

1844
02:14:16,365 --> 02:14:20,015
when traffic on auto crossing gets too much. And

1845
02:14:20,935 --> 02:14:24,785
to maintain that country's cha the road's character as a country road,

1846
02:14:26,395 --> 02:14:30,295
I think it's gonna be difficult. And then we're gonna force be forced to widen that road to handle all

1847
02:14:30,515 --> 02:14:34,115
the additional traffic, not just for avery crossing, but the whole western innovation

1848
02:14:35,075 --> 02:14:38,555
district. So the traffic and the congestion is gonna explode in that area

1849
02:14:39,575 --> 02:14:42,255
as well as this high density. So, um,

1850
02:14:43,625 --> 02:14:47,485
so I, I think a traffic study would make sense. I really worry what the,

1851
02:14:48,105 --> 02:14:51,285
how much the developer really engage with the ponderosa residents.

1852
02:14:52,265 --> 02:14:55,725
um, I I would think they should be a key stakeholder in this

1853
02:14:56,625 --> 02:15:00,595
and, um, I, I understand the need for our economic development, but I feel

1854
02:15:00,905 --> 02:15:03,845
dublin could do better than what was presented tonight. Thank you.

1855
02:15:04,915 --> 02:15:05,265
thank you.

1856
02:15:16,735 --> 02:15:20,505
hi, my name is tamara kane and I live at 5 4 5 6 desert lane

1857
02:15:21,015 --> 02:15:24,995
in the ponderosa mobile home park. I am very concerned that,

1858
02:15:25,545 --> 02:15:29,015
um, we are a 55 and older community.

1859
02:15:30,395 --> 02:15:34,395
we have no crime. You're gonna

1860
02:15:34,515 --> 02:15:38,275
put all this stuff around us and there comes

1861
02:15:38,535 --> 02:15:41,595
the crime. Then we have to worry about our 90-year-old

1862
02:15:42,755 --> 02:15:46,665
neighbors and our people that, you know, are

1863
02:15:46,885 --> 02:15:50,645
not able to get around and take care of theirselves. So

1864
02:15:51,365 --> 02:15:54,775
I'm really concerned about all this going around us when

1865
02:15:55,855 --> 02:15:58,985
that is one reason why my husband and I moved there.

1866
02:16:00,425 --> 02:16:02,815
another thing is, um,

1867
02:16:07,225 --> 02:16:10,615
there was not supposed to be any type of entrance

1868
02:16:12,235 --> 02:16:16,115
from these apartments, homes, whatever, into

1869
02:16:16,765 --> 02:16:20,575
the ponderosa. And I noticed on one of the slides that

1870
02:16:20,865 --> 02:16:24,685
there are, so there that's telling me that

1871
02:16:25,025 --> 02:16:28,745
the apartment buildings or homes are going to come through our

1872
02:16:29,045 --> 02:16:32,915
neighborhood and we have a 10 mile

1873
02:16:33,155 --> 02:16:36,955
an hour speed limit because we're all old , you know,

1874
02:16:38,655 --> 02:16:40,955
and people are not gonna abide by that.

1875
02:16:43,065 --> 02:16:46,695
um, I do believe that there is an eight inch hype

1876
02:16:47,415 --> 02:16:51,165
main pressure gas line coming from

1877
02:16:51,735 --> 02:16:55,645
tuttle across that field to avery. That is

1878
02:16:55,845 --> 02:16:59,845
another thing that I would like to be addressed to see what they're gonna do about

1879
02:17:00,125 --> 02:17:04,015
that. Um, right

1880
02:17:04,505 --> 02:17:07,945
now we have very low

1881
02:17:08,535 --> 02:17:12,435
water pressure and 90% of us do not

1882
02:17:12,595 --> 02:17:16,555
drink that water. We either have a water softener or we bottle

1883
02:17:16,845 --> 02:17:20,775
water and, you know, what's that

1884
02:17:20,935 --> 02:17:24,785
going to do to us? I mean, we're already having trouble with

1885
02:17:25,025 --> 02:17:27,785
our water. You know, we have more people, we're gonna have more water problems.

1886
02:17:30,475 --> 02:17:34,075
um, property taxes will go up our

1887
02:17:34,595 --> 02:17:37,805
lot in fee. Uh, lot fees have definitely increased,

1888
02:17:39,035 --> 02:17:42,675
um, to the point of $85 this year for

1889
02:17:43,075 --> 02:17:47,015
the year of 2026. It has never, in the nine years that I have

1890
02:17:47,135 --> 02:17:49,295
lived there increased that much.

1891
02:17:51,405 --> 02:17:55,055
and so I would like to know, and I know that's more addressed to the ponderosa

1892
02:17:56,285 --> 02:17:58,875
of why such a large increase,

1893
02:18:00,795 --> 02:18:04,525
what's going on with that money, that extra

1894
02:18:04,875 --> 02:18:08,345
money, that extra $85 that's coming out of our pockets that

1895
02:18:09,375 --> 02:18:13,275
people don't have because we are over 55 and older

1896
02:18:13,775 --> 02:18:17,275
and 90% of us are retired and living on social security.

1897
02:18:19,315 --> 02:18:23,195
so there's a lot of things that, that play into this that the

1898
02:18:23,415 --> 02:18:26,355
people in our neighborhood are not liking.

1899
02:18:28,795 --> 02:18:32,195
and I think we need some answers going both ways on

1900
02:18:33,305 --> 02:18:36,305
how to keep us safe and

1901
02:18:37,875 --> 02:18:41,355
how to keep our taxes, our stuff low

1902
02:18:41,955 --> 02:18:45,875
so that we can afford to, to live there. Because if

1903
02:18:46,115 --> 02:18:49,695
not, if it continues to go up, we'll find somewhere else to have to go.

1904
02:18:51,975 --> 02:18:52,885
thank you. Thank you.

1905
02:19:02,295 --> 02:19:06,265
good evening commissioners. My name is sandy mcintosh. I live at 5 7 9 2 traf

1906
02:19:06,425 --> 02:19:10,265
fogger lane in the balance trade neighborhood. Uh, first I'd like to thank castow development

1907
02:19:10,665 --> 02:19:14,545
for reaching out to us and including us in review of this plan prior to this evening.

1908
02:19:14,885 --> 02:19:18,025
and I appreciate the commitment to continued engagement in that regard.

1909
02:19:19,145 --> 02:19:23,145
a second, I can say with certainty, I could never be a developer. I would never have looked at

1910
02:19:23,385 --> 02:19:27,325
a 55 and over mobile home community and said, do you know what we should do? We should

1911
02:19:27,725 --> 02:19:31,325
surround them with apartments and duplexes and triplexes and some commercial development

1912
02:19:31,885 --> 02:19:35,445
and cluster homes, whatever those are. Talk about completely

1913
02:19:36,165 --> 02:19:40,155
changing the character of that neighborhood. Turning to what I hope are

1914
02:19:40,315 --> 02:19:44,315
some constructive comments. The city's southwest area plan notes the rural

1915
02:19:44,595 --> 02:19:48,195
character of rings. Roads should be preserved with new development to the south,

1916
02:19:48,945 --> 02:19:52,115
mimicking the established character along the north side of the road.

1917
02:19:53,255 --> 02:19:57,145
I'm not opposed to residential development in this area, but this plan does

1918
02:19:57,435 --> 02:20:01,275
not mimic the established character along the north side of the road and either density

1919
02:20:01,735 --> 02:20:05,275
or design. The special area

1920
02:20:05,815 --> 02:20:09,805
plans, states residential development should consider incorporating traditional single

1921
02:20:10,085 --> 02:20:14,045
family attached single family missing middle is what

1922
02:20:14,205 --> 02:20:18,085
it's called, housing stock. It says nothing about apartments. There are plenty

1923
02:20:18,385 --> 02:20:22,245
of apartments that have been built or in the process of being built in columbus,

1924
02:20:22,475 --> 02:20:26,245
just south of this area. We don't need them and they are not part of the special

1925
02:20:26,515 --> 02:20:30,395
area plan. What is needed, according to the envision

1926
02:20:30,615 --> 02:20:34,475
dublin plan, is housing for people as they age. In addition

1927
02:20:34,635 --> 02:20:38,435
to single family homes, patio homes slash condominiums like

1928
02:20:38,675 --> 02:20:42,675
the glens, the lakes, the woodlands and balance tray fill this need. They're consistent

1929
02:20:43,235 --> 02:20:47,095
with the special area plan and the greater envision dublin plan. And

1930
02:20:47,315 --> 02:20:50,515
they're in keeping with the established character along the north side of the road.

1931
02:20:52,835 --> 02:20:56,335
in addition to these density and designs concerns, I'm also very concerned

1932
02:20:56,855 --> 02:21:00,855
about the increased traffic associated with this plan. My understanding is that

1933
02:21:00,975 --> 02:21:04,375
the total extension is not in the city's capital improvement plan

1934
02:21:05,035 --> 02:21:09,015
for at least the next five years. And to respond to the commissioner's question

1935
02:21:09,135 --> 02:21:12,935
earlier regarding who will pay for that, casto indicated at our community meeting

1936
02:21:13,215 --> 02:21:17,105
that they were not prepared to foot the bill for that as part of this project. That

1937
02:21:17,395 --> 02:21:21,395
means that access in and out of this new development is primarily on rings road,

1938
02:21:21,915 --> 02:21:25,355
a two lane road that is not going to be widened even for a turn lane.

1939
02:21:27,065 --> 02:21:31,055
staff referenced tonight that avery would be widened to four lanes and would handle

1940
02:21:31,315 --> 02:21:35,255
the traffic. But my understanding from our meeting with casta was that traffic would

1941
02:21:35,575 --> 02:21:39,575
be right turn in and right turnout only onto avery road. So anyone from this

1942
02:21:39,735 --> 02:21:43,085
development who wants to go north on avery has to use rings road to exit.

1943
02:21:45,385 --> 02:21:49,165
the special area plan states that substantial care must be taken

1944
02:21:49,505 --> 02:21:53,025
to properly manage area development and minimize traffic impacts to

1945
02:21:53,605 --> 02:21:57,325
existing residential development in the areas like balance tray. I don't see any

1946
02:21:57,685 --> 02:22:01,255
evidence of that in this plan. In addition to causing traffic

1947
02:22:01,805 --> 02:22:05,575
backups, the area plan notes that young children who live there will attend washington

1948
02:22:06,065 --> 02:22:09,975
elementary, the plan states that there should be an

1949
02:22:10,135 --> 02:22:14,015
effort to provide safe, efficient, and effective pedestrian facilities providing

1950
02:22:14,455 --> 02:22:18,215
direct access to the school. I don't see that in this plan and I worry about the safety

1951
02:22:18,515 --> 02:22:21,865
of children from that development trying to go to school. Thank you.

1952
02:22:22,555 --> 02:22:22,905
thank you.

1953
02:22:32,685 --> 02:22:36,625
hi, um, dawn, this is dawn. I'm anisa davis. We live

1954
02:22:36,845 --> 02:22:40,795
at 65 27 royal dublin court. We built

1955
02:22:41,165 --> 02:22:44,185
our home and have been there for 23 years. 23,

1956
02:22:45,405 --> 02:22:48,665
and we've been very blessed to have a nice farm field across the street.

1957
02:22:49,845 --> 02:22:53,505
um, when we purchased our home, we, the property across

1958
02:22:53,865 --> 02:22:57,805
the street was owned by edwards, who developed entre. We

1959
02:22:58,025 --> 02:23:01,455
were told it would be single family homes. Um, when

1960
02:23:02,145 --> 02:23:05,965
multiple housing comes to mind, I would think of condos like the

1961
02:23:06,365 --> 02:23:09,285
avalon, not the, um,

1962
02:23:10,815 --> 02:23:14,745
town homes that currently occupy hay and run and cosgrave behind

1963
02:23:15,035 --> 02:23:19,005
giant eagle, those ginormous concrete jungle. Um,

1964
02:23:19,845 --> 02:23:23,805
so from 23, from the original plan, from 23 to

1965
02:23:24,025 --> 02:23:27,595
25, looks like there were maybe 16 units

1966
02:23:28,455 --> 02:23:32,335
removed. And all of the multiple story town

1967
02:23:32,625 --> 02:23:35,705
homes are still there in that, um, f1

1968
02:23:36,695 --> 02:23:40,485
area right off of rings. And, um,

1969
02:23:41,075 --> 02:23:44,915
royal dublin court, which royal dublin court looks like it extends right

1970
02:23:45,295 --> 02:23:48,655
into those town homes. My concern for the ponderosa

1971
02:23:49,965 --> 02:23:53,505
is that with those town homes, there's nothing but parking.

1972
02:23:54,885 --> 02:23:58,885
the neighbors will then go into their backyards and

1973
02:23:59,105 --> 02:24:03,045
encroach on them looking for green space. Avery road floods

1974
02:24:03,885 --> 02:24:07,075
all the time, so we're adding more ponds and more water.

1975
02:24:08,525 --> 02:24:11,465
um, the new roundabout, it's difficult

1976
02:24:12,925 --> 02:24:16,825
to get out of there right now, and it's brand new and

1977
02:24:17,025 --> 02:24:20,965
just opened when cos gray was closed. Rings rode, backed

1978
02:24:21,385 --> 02:24:25,065
up all the way past iman. So if you

1979
02:24:25,405 --> 02:24:29,185
add extra traffic, and if you look at where

1980
02:24:29,435 --> 02:24:33,165
rings road is and they wanna put 13 homes with the

1981
02:24:34,305 --> 02:24:38,195
backyards backing up to rings, we have cars

1982
02:24:38,635 --> 02:24:41,485
that drive 50, 60 miles an hour down that road.

1983
02:24:42,925 --> 02:24:46,745
so heaven forbid there's an accident, it's gonna end

1984
02:24:46,945 --> 02:24:50,725
up in those 13 backyards. There's been two people

1985
02:24:50,965 --> 02:24:54,865
killed on avery road, um, two years ago. One

1986
02:24:55,185 --> 02:24:59,085
was near the new new roundabout, now the other one was on

1987
02:24:59,285 --> 02:25:02,835
corporate boulevard with a jogger. It's like that area.

1988
02:25:03,535 --> 02:25:07,245
we're not walkable. I know dublin's trying with the sidewalks,

1989
02:25:08,545 --> 02:25:12,225
but it's not walkable. Wanna say? Sure. Um,

1990
02:25:12,905 --> 02:25:16,745
so I'm gonna try to be respectful for the time since we came up together, but,

1991
02:25:17,185 --> 02:25:21,165
um, my name's donald davis at that residence. Um, listen, there was a lot

1992
02:25:21,555 --> 02:25:25,525
said, and I violently agree with a lot of what other people said, so I'm not gonna get into

1993
02:25:25,805 --> 02:25:29,565
a lot of reiterating what was said. But the points I guess I would like

1994
02:25:29,865 --> 02:25:33,485
to leave the committee with is what a lot of us are expressing

1995
02:25:33,965 --> 02:25:37,605
the concern about is the change that this wouldn't happen

1996
02:25:38,265 --> 02:25:41,965
and impact everybody that is around this area.

1997
02:25:43,105 --> 02:25:47,045
um, I, I can't speak personally for the folks in the ponderosa. I don't live there,

1998
02:25:47,265 --> 02:25:50,755
but if I was there, I would feel like I was getting invaded upon.

1999
02:25:51,515 --> 02:25:55,325
it's just squeezing me. And they have a right to not have

2000
02:25:55,525 --> 02:25:59,445
that. They've been there a long time. They have every right not to have that. I live across the

2001
02:25:59,805 --> 02:26:03,675
street on the other side of avery and the, um, the balance tray area.

2002
02:26:04,545 --> 02:26:08,055
um, one of the prior speakers said it perfectly. This is not consistent

2003
02:26:09,025 --> 02:26:12,825
at all with the surrounding areas. This is the

2004
02:26:13,045 --> 02:26:16,945
density of this is kind of ridiculous. And

2005
02:26:17,165 --> 02:26:20,565
so that's the biggest concern that I have, is this changes

2006
02:26:21,185 --> 02:26:24,815
the whole vibe of the area, changes the whole living experience

2007
02:26:25,545 --> 02:26:29,435
of the area, and was totally unexpected by any of us that

2008
02:26:29,755 --> 02:26:33,635
came into that area. The traffic is the other big part for me. It's

2009
02:26:33,925 --> 02:26:37,805
gonna be a disaster. Um, there, there's no, no two ways

2010
02:26:37,965 --> 02:26:41,945
around it that many people in that space, regardless of

2011
02:26:42,165 --> 02:26:46,165
what you do with tuttle, the spillover is gonna be a big problem. You can do

2012
02:26:46,285 --> 02:26:50,285
all the studies you want, just go and experience it for yourselves and you'll understand.

2013
02:26:51,835 --> 02:26:55,745
thank you for listening to us. Appreciate the opportunity. Thank you for taking

2014
02:26:56,095 --> 02:26:59,065
some consideration to reduce the density. It's not nearly enough.

2015
02:27:00,325 --> 02:27:04,125
my my final thought would be where else in dublin has

2016
02:27:04,455 --> 02:27:08,255
this density? And please keep us consistent with

2017
02:27:08,545 --> 02:27:11,835
the rest of dublin. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you.

2018
02:27:22,285 --> 02:27:26,225
hi, my name is tara rowe. I'm at 57 49 trafalgar lane. I just

2019
02:27:26,385 --> 02:27:30,185
have a brief comments. I agree with the concerns that my neighbors have expressed around traffic,

2020
02:27:31,205 --> 02:27:34,885
uh, density and community character. So I won't belabor that. But

2021
02:27:35,345 --> 02:27:39,215
additionally, I think one critical piece of information we're missing is, um, what

2022
02:27:39,505 --> 02:27:43,385
the price point would be for this proposed housing from the range of apartments through,

2023
02:27:43,665 --> 02:27:47,565
just to give comparison to what was shared in the previous one and give us an

2024
02:27:47,785 --> 02:27:51,705
estimation for how it compares to our own real estate. Thank you. Thank you.

2025
02:28:00,885 --> 02:28:04,875
hello, my name is martin lynch. I live at 5 5 0 9 tayside circle

2026
02:28:05,455 --> 02:28:09,195
in entre. Um, I completely

2027
02:28:09,685 --> 02:28:12,415
agree with everything that everyone said. Um,

2028
02:28:15,105 --> 02:28:19,065
I think the gentleman over here said that the intent

2029
02:28:19,685 --> 02:28:22,725
of the apartments is to blend into columbus.

2030
02:28:23,785 --> 02:28:27,645
we live in dublin, we don't live in columbus. We don't want to live

2031
02:28:27,805 --> 02:28:30,805
in columbus. Our children go to washington.

2032
02:28:34,285 --> 02:28:37,415
it's imperative that we provide safe

2033
02:28:39,465 --> 02:28:43,125
avenue and safe ways and safe schools for our children.

2034
02:28:43,505 --> 02:28:47,365
that's been very safe for the nearly 20 years

2035
02:28:47,765 --> 02:28:51,715
I lived in the area. Um, I

2036
02:28:51,835 --> 02:28:55,525
really implore you. No, we're not an apartment

2037
02:28:56,365 --> 02:29:00,365
neighborhood. No, we're single family homes. We need to keep

2038
02:29:00,665 --> 02:29:04,165
it to keep the culture of the balance. Tray kramer's

2039
02:29:05,005 --> 02:29:08,805
crossing posa neighborhood. The

2040
02:29:09,025 --> 02:29:12,795
other point is the northern, um, throughway.

2041
02:29:14,045 --> 02:29:17,005
it looks like it's going to connect right into royal dublin.

2042
02:29:18,805 --> 02:29:22,665
and once that happens, it's going to be a nightmare for traffic.

2043
02:29:23,775 --> 02:29:26,945
it's going to cause not only

2044
02:29:28,325 --> 02:29:31,705
the single family homes, the town homes, the apartments

2045
02:29:32,455 --> 02:29:36,385
that come north into rings road and into the bell and trade neighborhoods,

2046
02:29:38,045 --> 02:29:41,965
no ball trade for being all single

2047
02:29:42,165 --> 02:29:45,685
family homes and how it has grown and evolved over the years.

2048
02:29:47,265 --> 02:29:50,955
it's already busy. When we start having the neighborhood

2049
02:29:51,415 --> 02:29:55,175
to the south dow cross over rings to go to,

2050
02:29:55,665 --> 02:29:59,655
whether it's going up to warner temple or going to

2051
02:29:59,875 --> 02:30:03,775
the splash park or using any of the other ways to get

2052
02:30:04,015 --> 02:30:07,995
around and access dublin. Um, it's gonna be a

2053
02:30:08,115 --> 02:30:10,795
nightmare for traffic and it's gonna be a danger for our children.

2054
02:30:12,765 --> 02:30:16,145
we really need to be thoughtful and considerate

2055
02:30:16,925 --> 02:30:20,425
to the neighborhoods in the area and not just look

2056
02:30:21,045 --> 02:30:24,985
how we can get more density out of some of the remaining space

2057
02:30:25,325 --> 02:30:28,355
in the dublin area. Thank you. Thank you.

2058
02:30:36,965 --> 02:30:39,155
uh, good evening. Uh, wayne wu, 55 89

2059
02:30:41,145 --> 02:30:44,855
tayside circle entre. Uh, I'm gonna, I'm not gonna, I echo

2060
02:30:45,185 --> 02:30:49,145
a lot of the comments that my fellow residents, the surrounding areas have already

2061
02:30:49,265 --> 02:30:53,235
said. I'm gonna say a couple of things I think that hasn't been said that enter my brain. This is

2062
02:30:53,315 --> 02:30:57,235
my first meeting. I've never been here, but I'm glad I'm here. I came to listen. I

2063
02:30:57,355 --> 02:31:01,295
didn't plan to speak, but thoughts entered my brain when everybody else was talking. So

2064
02:31:01,515 --> 02:31:04,655
the first thing I wanna bring up is, I think, and I hope everybody's looking at the

2065
02:31:06,025 --> 02:31:09,895
collective areas and all of the development going on. I think someone talked about that

2066
02:31:10,055 --> 02:31:13,855
earlier. I mean, let's just look at, I didn't even know the parkwood

2067
02:31:14,415 --> 02:31:18,215
thing existed till I came to this meeting tonight, let's say that gets approved, which isn't

2068
02:31:18,495 --> 02:31:21,735
too far from what we're talking about with this avery crossing development. Someone

2069
02:31:22,545 --> 02:31:26,405
referenced all the development that's going down, albeit outside the city of dublin, but

2070
02:31:26,655 --> 02:31:30,465
down in the riggins road, um, avery area.

2071
02:31:31,205 --> 02:31:34,795
all of that is, should be considered because that's in a same mileage

2072
02:31:35,505 --> 02:31:38,045
radius that would impact traffic patterns,

2073
02:31:39,735 --> 02:31:43,645
uh, influx of residents. And albeit again, I do agree,

2074
02:31:45,035 --> 02:31:48,935
I think that area that they're talking about developing was not designed for apartments and should not

2075
02:31:49,155 --> 02:31:53,115
be. Right. And there's plenty of apartments down avery road that anybody can move to that are probably

2076
02:31:53,195 --> 02:31:57,195
still vacant in there now. Right. So I think someone should look at hopefully the

2077
02:31:57,395 --> 02:32:01,215
collective and all the influx in that mile radius or whatever that radius is,

2078
02:32:01,495 --> 02:32:05,235
all the way down to the parkwood down avery road, even though that's outside the city of dublin.

2079
02:32:07,375 --> 02:32:11,275
excuse me. The last thing I wanna bring up is something really nobody ever thinks about, but my wife

2080
02:32:11,395 --> 02:32:15,355
and I think, and I hope others think about, is if you look at the area, they're talking about development,

2081
02:32:16,505 --> 02:32:19,655
it's really a very large natural habitat for

2082
02:32:20,915 --> 02:32:24,515
wildlife and what have you. Right? And if you eliminate that,

2083
02:32:25,865 --> 02:32:29,835
what does that leave again? Unfortunately that wildlife and whatever.

2084
02:32:29,915 --> 02:32:33,405
and we can't just, that goes back to the density conversation, I guess, right? How dense

2085
02:32:33,935 --> 02:32:37,895
can you make everything in a small pocket of

2086
02:32:38,215 --> 02:32:41,475
dublin? I'll also agree, and I think it's, and I hope this isn't the case.

2087
02:32:42,435 --> 02:32:46,245
I think there are some perceptions that the southwest

2088
02:32:46,685 --> 02:32:50,365
part of dublin is sometimes treated differently from the rest of dublin. And I hope that's taken into

2089
02:32:50,845 --> 02:32:54,245
consideration as well. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

2090
02:32:56,675 --> 02:32:59,975
do we have anybody else that would like to thank you? Please come up to the microphone.

2091
02:33:06,775 --> 02:33:09,855
fred steele, six two five zero cartwright lane north, the ponderosa.

2092
02:33:12,245 --> 02:33:16,185
uh, could you bring up the, uh, diagram with the latest street

2093
02:33:16,865 --> 02:33:17,805
proposal please?

2094
02:33:26,035 --> 02:33:28,815
uh, yes, that'll work. Thank you.

2095
02:33:32,525 --> 02:33:36,455
okay. Uh, I hate to sound like broken record, but I have this article again from the

2096
02:33:36,855 --> 02:33:39,995
dispatch batch of october 5th, 2023.

2097
02:33:42,305 --> 02:33:44,395
it talks about casto buying the ponderosa

2098
02:33:46,345 --> 02:33:49,805
and, uh, what they intended to do. And a representative

2099
02:33:50,555 --> 02:33:54,455
also stated the project will maintain the existing ponderosa

2100
02:33:55,065 --> 02:33:58,825
mobile home park 107 space community that offers

2101
02:33:59,345 --> 02:34:01,545
a unique affordable housing option for the area.

2102
02:34:03,605 --> 02:34:07,535
okay, that's fine. I'm glad. I had a mother and father that

2103
02:34:07,815 --> 02:34:08,935
taught me to mean what I say

2104
02:34:13,025 --> 02:34:16,865
as of january 1st for raising our rent for

2105
02:34:17,125 --> 02:34:20,925
the lot $20. That's not too bad, but they're also

2106
02:34:21,165 --> 02:34:25,125
having a new charge of $65 a month for water

2107
02:34:25,465 --> 02:34:28,365
and trash, which was always included in the lot rent before.

2108
02:34:29,655 --> 02:34:32,715
so really I think they're trying to price the residents of ponderosa out.

2109
02:34:35,685 --> 02:34:39,355
uh, and um, the diagram here, it shows

2110
02:34:40,195 --> 02:34:42,985
a connector street off of the main entrance to the ponderosa

2111
02:34:44,525 --> 02:34:48,515
going west and then down to the southwest corner. It shows another connector

2112
02:34:49,075 --> 02:34:53,055
street from the ponderosa. And the ponderosa

2113
02:34:53,665 --> 02:34:57,645
doesn't have any sidewalks and there are walkers that do

2114
02:34:57,865 --> 02:35:01,755
walking for physical activity. I I just

2115
02:35:01,955 --> 02:35:05,545
think it's gonna be a racetrack with those connector

2116
02:35:06,155 --> 02:35:08,585
streets. Um,

2117
02:35:13,245 --> 02:35:17,205
I guess that's about all I have. Thank you for giving the time to speak and thank you

2118
02:35:17,285 --> 02:35:21,165
ms. Kathy for speaking up. Thanks. Thank you.

2119
02:35:26,045 --> 02:35:29,505
hello, my name is cheryl cook and I live in the ponderosa

2120
02:35:30,135 --> 02:35:33,455
at 54 83 bonanza lane. And

2121
02:35:34,255 --> 02:35:38,095
in private, my husband and I have talked about how we're being forced out,

2122
02:35:38,855 --> 02:35:42,825
um, of our home. My son bought us this

2123
02:35:43,115 --> 02:35:47,075
mobile home in that park 'cause he thought we'd be safe. One of the things I asked

2124
02:35:47,335 --> 02:35:51,275
for for christmas is cameras for the outside, because I know

2125
02:35:52,055 --> 02:35:55,955
all these people are gonna be around. Um, we live in a

2126
02:35:56,075 --> 02:36:00,055
very quiet community. You can walk you almost

2127
02:36:00,615 --> 02:36:04,605
any time of the day or night. It's very safe there, but we're

2128
02:36:04,955 --> 02:36:08,775
not gonna be safe anymore. And my son did

2129
02:36:09,065 --> 02:36:12,255
call casto, um, who we pay our

2130
02:36:13,175 --> 02:36:17,155
lot rent too, and said, do you feel good about raising my parents'

2131
02:36:17,635 --> 02:36:20,775
rent? 44% in two years? Um,

2132
02:36:21,695 --> 02:36:25,585
we are being forced out. It's not gonna be a quiet place anymore.

2133
02:36:26,695 --> 02:36:30,515
um, that's way too much building. And as

2134
02:36:30,715 --> 02:36:34,335
far as retail goes, we can go right down the street for

2135
02:36:34,875 --> 02:36:38,845
anything we need. And that's all I have to say. Thank you. Thank

2136
02:36:39,195 --> 02:36:39,195
you.

2137
02:36:48,515 --> 02:36:52,465
hello, molly. Kay. 6, 2, 3, 6 rings road. I live actually

2138
02:36:52,545 --> 02:36:56,185
across the, in the plans from the big tall tower that will

2139
02:36:57,115 --> 02:37:00,345
maybe not look into my home and all my neighbors because it's a ranch home.

2140
02:37:01,485 --> 02:37:04,745
so I do appreciate the updates to the plans.

2141
02:37:05,565 --> 02:37:09,455
um, I see all the green space. I concur with all my neighbors, with

2142
02:37:09,745 --> 02:37:13,395
all the concerns that I have addressed two times prior

2143
02:37:13,765 --> 02:37:17,765
to this already with the commissioners. Um, I

2144
02:37:17,885 --> 02:37:21,805
do consider the pre and think about the preservation when I look on the

2145
02:37:22,085 --> 02:37:26,005
original maps of dublin, that that green space will be gone. And

2146
02:37:26,205 --> 02:37:30,205
I wonder is, is that allowed? I don't even know, like what happens to all

2147
02:37:30,405 --> 02:37:33,905
the animals there too. Um, one of, and

2148
02:37:34,905 --> 02:37:38,685
one of my concerns I don't think the neighbors spoke to

2149
02:37:38,945 --> 02:37:42,725
yet, was that if you look at riggins road, which

2150
02:37:42,965 --> 02:37:46,885
is like a mile away from us, where the new roundabout and avery's built, and you look at

2151
02:37:47,045 --> 02:37:51,005
the current developments, there's like a mcdonald's, and then behind that are all

2152
02:37:51,165 --> 02:37:55,165
the apartments in retail space underneath it, similar to the plans that they're proposing.

2153
02:37:56,725 --> 02:38:00,525
it looks pretty much identical, but you just change the facade and

2154
02:38:00,745 --> 02:38:04,625
that's what you have in the commercial space there. Um, and what's

2155
02:38:04,905 --> 02:38:08,725
really interesting is I did appreciate the, um, the, the

2156
02:38:08,945 --> 02:38:12,145
other plans for the emerald parkway because it showed a different kind of concept.

2157
02:38:13,285 --> 02:38:17,225
and so I feel like, you know, I appreciate them reaching out to us and

2158
02:38:17,425 --> 02:38:21,425
having the conversation through zoom. Um, but I,

2159
02:38:21,825 --> 02:38:25,665
I feel like we also weren't very that involved with the

2160
02:38:26,045 --> 02:38:29,995
planning committee, with our comments. There are so many conversations that

2161
02:38:30,295 --> 02:38:34,185
occur. Um, I'm so involved with the elementary school. My daughter's five. She

2162
02:38:34,405 --> 02:38:37,485
goes, there's my son is a middle schooler. We've been here for 10 years.

2163
02:38:38,565 --> 02:38:42,285
I wanna build more on the property and build and grow for my parents to live with me,

2164
02:38:42,905 --> 02:38:46,745
um, because we feel safe. And I mean, I can jog

2165
02:38:47,105 --> 02:38:50,415
and 5:00 am in the morning and, and feel safe there.

2166
02:38:51,585 --> 02:38:55,365
so, um, like my other neighbor, I started putting cameras around once the roundabout

2167
02:38:55,725 --> 02:38:59,645
was built because there has been more traffic and there has been, um, one of those

2168
02:39:00,175 --> 02:39:03,985
speed re speed signs that shows you how fast you're going. Um, because so

2169
02:39:04,205 --> 02:39:07,855
many people have started speed speeding since then. It's only been a few months, right?

2170
02:39:09,065 --> 02:39:12,925
um, so some of those things to consider, but there's a lot of

2171
02:39:13,085 --> 02:39:16,405
conversation going on, um, in social media about what's happening.

2172
02:39:17,105 --> 02:39:21,045
and what I don't like that people ask me all the time is that they're asking me,

2173
02:39:21,505 --> 02:39:25,445
the first question is, so with the plans going on, not just in your area,

2174
02:39:25,745 --> 02:39:29,625
but everywhere you see like a whole roll of all these apartments and town homes, are

2175
02:39:29,845 --> 02:39:33,445
you gonna move out? Are you gonna move away? I don't wanna move away.

2176
02:39:33,925 --> 02:39:37,915
I moved here because I love dublin and I, I love that I feel safe.

2177
02:39:38,765 --> 02:39:42,485
I love our police officers, I love my neighbors. I just,

2178
02:39:43,265 --> 02:39:47,175
but I feel like we're kind of in that we're stuck in the neighborhood

2179
02:39:47,665 --> 02:39:51,455
where we we're, we're fighting back and wanting to preserve what we're

2180
02:39:51,695 --> 02:39:55,575
seeing. So thank you everyone for listening and, and I think that's

2181
02:39:55,815 --> 02:39:59,585
my time. Thank you so much. Anyone else

2182
02:40:00,165 --> 02:40:03,015
out there would like to comment?

2183
02:40:06,365 --> 02:40:10,285
going once, going twice. Okay. We're gonna close

2184
02:40:10,655 --> 02:40:13,765
the comment period now, and we're gonna turn it back to the commission for deliberation.

2185
02:40:15,375 --> 02:40:19,015
and I'm gonna turn to my right. And

2186
02:40:19,455 --> 02:40:23,155
mr. Chinook, thank you again. We can't,

2187
02:40:23,735 --> 02:40:27,305
we can't thank you enough for the public comments and everybody coming out and showing the concern. Concern

2188
02:40:27,795 --> 02:40:31,625
for the area. I will say, when we talk

2189
02:40:31,995 --> 02:40:35,885
about this process, when we, I think it was shown at some point tonight where

2190
02:40:36,535 --> 02:40:40,335
the first plan we saw back in, I think it was 23, how

2191
02:40:40,555 --> 02:40:44,305
much it's improved. And that shows, it shows us that

2192
02:40:44,595 --> 02:40:48,595
we're, listen, you know, the process is working. We're listening to, we're listening to comments, we're listening to the

2193
02:40:48,675 --> 02:40:52,395
public applicants, listening to us, working with staff. So the, the process

2194
02:40:52,775 --> 02:40:55,865
for sure is working. So I think that said,

2195
02:40:57,205 --> 02:41:01,135
we're getting there. Uh, we, we've got, you know, we've, we've reduced the number of, of

2196
02:41:01,355 --> 02:41:05,075
units, increased green space. I think you, you know, we're

2197
02:41:05,435 --> 02:41:09,035
starting to see some uniqueness in, in the navigation around the site.

2198
02:41:11,485 --> 02:41:15,435
again, I think we're getting there and I think that, you know, all the, and we know

2199
02:41:15,555 --> 02:41:19,435
the applicant 'cause they have in the past, they're gonna take, take, hear, hear all

2200
02:41:19,595 --> 02:41:23,535
the comments that we've made, and then that, that the public has made and they'll, they'll come back the

2201
02:41:23,755 --> 02:41:26,995
next round with, with some additional improvements. And we look forward to seeing that.

2202
02:41:28,395 --> 02:41:30,875
thanks ms. Har,

2203
02:41:33,065 --> 02:41:36,755
thank you for being here and, um, giving your, um,

2204
02:41:37,915 --> 02:41:41,565
program and how things are going and so forth. And I'm glad to hear from,

2205
02:41:42,105 --> 02:41:45,405
um, the neighborhoods and so forth. And I think that's very important.

2206
02:41:46,625 --> 02:41:50,595
um, from the beginning, I have not been, um, certain

2207
02:41:51,455 --> 02:41:54,995
about if this is the right place or not. It, um, it's,

2208
02:41:55,515 --> 02:41:59,365
it's, uh, it doesn't quite fit. It

2209
02:41:59,605 --> 02:42:03,505
hasn't been fitting and we're still almost the same space, even though

2210
02:42:03,805 --> 02:42:07,565
we have spent a lot of time reducing things. It still brings

2211
02:42:08,245 --> 02:42:11,775
on that, um, density that's very difficult.

2212
02:42:12,865 --> 02:42:16,865
I still don't, I'm still not comfortable with the idea of there's a homeowner

2213
02:42:17,475 --> 02:42:21,325
who's looking at apartment complexes and where, and

2214
02:42:21,625 --> 02:42:25,605
I didn't hear a good answer on how we're going to, uh,

2215
02:42:26,265 --> 02:42:30,265
minimize that and that it's its own little section and so forth. It's a small section

2216
02:42:30,845 --> 02:42:34,605
now. And I, I do think it's a, a great area for, um,

2217
02:42:35,215 --> 02:42:39,025
more, uh, homes I think and different types of homes. I'm not even

2218
02:42:39,335 --> 02:42:43,145
opposed to duplex. We, we've had this city meeting a few years

2219
02:42:43,365 --> 02:42:47,345
ago talking about how families may wanna venture living together.

2220
02:42:47,645 --> 02:42:51,525
so you may have that three try kind of home that, um,

2221
02:42:51,805 --> 02:42:55,665
you live with your family and so forth. So, but I don't see any of that

2222
02:42:55,825 --> 02:42:59,505
happening with this. And, uh, the space, you know, you go to the neighborhood

2223
02:42:59,865 --> 02:43:03,785
across the street and you're in there, it's almost like a half

2224
02:43:04,185 --> 02:43:07,625
football field before you even get to the road. And then there's the sidewalk,

2225
02:43:08,235 --> 02:43:11,685
which really that space sets that house back quite a ways.

2226
02:43:12,705 --> 02:43:16,685
I'm not, I'm not feeling that's gonna happen on the other side. And that concerns

2227
02:43:17,245 --> 02:43:21,195
me too, because that precedent is there when you're driving down

2228
02:43:21,485 --> 02:43:25,445
that road and you're feeling like what's on each side. And, and that is

2229
02:43:25,645 --> 02:43:29,525
going to be, um, important to me. There are things you're putting

2230
02:43:29,665 --> 02:43:33,465
in, which I think, you know, when coming back and so forth, um,

2231
02:43:33,715 --> 02:43:37,525
that I'm gonna listen to and be in interested in. Um, you know, like with all

2232
02:43:37,725 --> 02:43:41,565
the storm water, what do you wanna do with all the new ponds you're putting in there?

2233
02:43:42,185 --> 02:43:45,845
and is it gonna be an opportunity to bring in groups and things like that with that

2234
02:43:46,215 --> 02:43:50,025
storm water gardens and things of that sort. Um, but,

2235
02:43:50,545 --> 02:43:54,285
um, you know, those, those are the, the, the main

2236
02:43:54,565 --> 02:43:58,345
thing there with question two, it kind of gets to the pedestrians and

2237
02:43:58,655 --> 02:44:02,505
bikes and so forth. I don't think we've hit it yet on that either. Um,

2238
02:44:02,795 --> 02:44:06,505
it's not a walkable area. I don't see people coming across to,

2239
02:44:07,145 --> 02:44:10,985
to, um, engage in some of the, the water areas. If

2240
02:44:11,205 --> 02:44:14,805
so, it's gotta be safer to do that. Um, but it is, people

2241
02:44:15,265 --> 02:44:19,045
get in their cars in that area where other parts of dublin, they're walking a bit more.

2242
02:44:19,665 --> 02:44:23,625
um, and, and, and there's not as many sidewalks. So I think that's one of the reasons why

2243
02:44:24,315 --> 02:44:28,165
that way. So, um, I think that, you know, that part

2244
02:44:28,365 --> 02:44:31,305
hits me as well too. I, I'm thinking about, um,

2245
02:44:32,385 --> 02:44:36,015
uh, question number three, which is the density. And again,

2246
02:44:36,525 --> 02:44:40,445
I just think, um, not considering, you know, thinking about buffers or

2247
02:44:40,605 --> 02:44:44,435
thinking about how, how you're gonna, um, move one place into

2248
02:44:44,725 --> 02:44:48,025
another. Um, and, um, just not

2249
02:44:48,825 --> 02:44:52,725
in favor of how this is sitting yet. And it just, for how long,

2250
02:44:52,945 --> 02:44:56,925
how long we've been working on this. I'm not, I I haven't really

2251
02:44:57,085 --> 02:45:00,785
moved the needle on it. Thank you. Thank you, mr. Alexander.

2252
02:45:03,305 --> 02:45:07,005
I'm very, I'm very sympathetic to the concerns of the neighbors.

2253
02:45:07,325 --> 02:45:11,155
'cause this will be a change. However, I don't know how you cannot support

2254
02:45:11,645 --> 02:45:15,645
this because it corresponds to all of our plans. That's the issue. And these are not plans that

2255
02:45:15,845 --> 02:45:19,795
we adopted. These are plans that city council adopted. So if you look at the future land

2256
02:45:20,105 --> 02:45:24,045
use plan, mixed use, neighborhood fronting, avery residential, various densities,

2257
02:45:24,365 --> 02:45:28,245
walkable neighborhood, the mixed use makes this a walkable neighborhood.

2258
02:45:29,325 --> 02:45:33,095
mobility and transportation plan. Dublin character avery a hundred face setback, avery

2259
02:45:33,655 --> 02:45:37,305
ponds, water features mounting housing and neighbor diversity of

2260
02:45:37,715 --> 02:45:41,045
housing types. Now that's not just the, the plan

2261
02:45:41,865 --> 02:45:45,805
that's an issue in the whole community. So this is solving a problem that the community

2262
02:45:46,185 --> 02:45:49,745
has. We don't have enough variety of housing types, so

2263
02:45:50,425 --> 02:45:54,105
that's one of the things that we've been called to address. And

2264
02:45:54,595 --> 02:45:57,125
this project does that, um, ,

2265
02:45:58,945 --> 02:46:01,855
you know, increase the housing variety and stock.

2266
02:46:03,315 --> 02:46:06,825
that reinforces what I just said. That comes from the southwest area plan, create

2267
02:46:07,805 --> 02:46:11,645
regional greenways. So for me, I, I think it's

2268
02:46:11,925 --> 02:46:15,665
an extremely logical distribution of the, of the house types across

2269
02:46:16,085 --> 02:46:19,825
the lot. It's very clear what what's going on there. So, um,

2270
02:46:21,445 --> 02:46:25,365
I, I do, I'm a little concerned about the buffering for the people at

2271
02:46:25,595 --> 02:46:29,165
ponderosa. I think if, if that could, if the buffers could be more

2272
02:46:29,655 --> 02:46:32,765
dense and more prominent, it would help those people who are probably most affected.

2273
02:46:33,905 --> 02:46:37,575
uh, ultimately it'll probably be the transportation plan that, that moves

2274
02:46:38,465 --> 02:46:42,205
me because I see great potential for the tunnel

2275
02:46:42,715 --> 02:46:46,565
extension to take so much traffic out to two 70.

2276
02:46:47,425 --> 02:46:50,605
and, and I think that if something like that is done,

2277
02:46:51,715 --> 02:46:55,585
some of the concerns about traffic, not all can be mitigated. So

2278
02:46:55,805 --> 02:46:58,565
those are, those are my comments. Thank you mr. Alexander.

2279
02:47:00,075 --> 02:47:03,425
again, I share similar comments to my fellow commissioners.

2280
02:47:04,885 --> 02:47:08,745
um, you know, I think the, the reason that this site has been looked

2281
02:47:08,945 --> 02:47:12,915
at the way it is is because of the tunnel crossing boulevard extension going

2282
02:47:13,265 --> 02:47:17,065
out to the west. And I think the, the general feeling is that's

2283
02:47:17,385 --> 02:47:21,345
gonna change the character of this site. And because of its capacity, as mr. Alexander

2284
02:47:22,025 --> 02:47:25,945
said, to potentially handle traffic, it's where you can put a little bit

2285
02:47:26,065 --> 02:47:30,065
more density to help, um, again, create that mix of uses in the

2286
02:47:30,185 --> 02:47:33,785
community. So I think as the city has planned the site

2287
02:47:34,375 --> 02:47:37,815
over the last couple years, coming to the community plan and the area plan,

2288
02:47:38,705 --> 02:47:42,325
I think the uses that are, um,

2289
02:47:43,265 --> 02:47:46,935
proposed here are consistent with that comm the community plan and the area plan.

2290
02:47:48,135 --> 02:47:51,625
however, I do think that the plan has evolved

2291
02:47:52,335 --> 02:47:55,305
from the first iteration. This is the third, third time that we've seen it.

2292
02:47:56,345 --> 02:48:00,325
and I think there are some good moves and perhaps some moves that maybe

2293
02:48:00,525 --> 02:48:04,515
are going in the wrong direction. And I think the, the addition of

2294
02:48:04,715 --> 02:48:08,355
additional open space is really positive, but maybe

2295
02:48:09,005 --> 02:48:12,985
in a development like this, you don't wanna put all open space in one place. And the idea

2296
02:48:13,265 --> 02:48:17,115
of using open space to weave through the development and start to scale

2297
02:48:17,465 --> 02:48:21,465
it down so it does start to reflect more the character of this area

2298
02:48:22,235 --> 02:48:26,065
would be appropriate. And I think in the question and answer period, we talked about

2299
02:48:26,635 --> 02:48:30,425
north south greenways that start to break down the scale.

2300
02:48:31,605 --> 02:48:35,545
um, I also think the transition from the single family

2301
02:48:35,825 --> 02:48:39,825
residential, um, along rings, which is obviously the

2302
02:48:40,025 --> 02:48:43,505
right thing to do, maybe it's not quite right yet the way that's been done.

2303
02:48:44,245 --> 02:48:47,615
but in the neighborhood design guidelines, we have a category called estate lots

2304
02:48:48,375 --> 02:48:52,265
that have a way to handle garages and all that stuff that might be really

2305
02:48:52,665 --> 02:48:56,225
appropriate. And, you know, I think the, the applicant could

2306
02:48:56,865 --> 02:49:00,445
look at, you know, the, the nor the other side of rings, and

2307
02:49:01,045 --> 02:49:04,405
can we mimic that with the frontage road and the units facing,

2308
02:49:05,485 --> 02:49:09,165
uh, rings as opposed to backing to it. Because, you know, that is something the commission's

2309
02:49:09,645 --> 02:49:13,485
been working on is getting, uh, houses, not backing discretes, but getting fronts,

2310
02:49:13,845 --> 02:49:17,745
facing streets like the old days. Um, and then the

2311
02:49:18,015 --> 02:49:21,965
transition from single family to townhouses, I

2312
02:49:22,085 --> 02:49:25,775
feel is abrupt and the intensity of the townhouses

2313
02:49:26,465 --> 02:49:29,835
is making it feel dense. And I, so it's,

2314
02:49:30,485 --> 02:49:34,385
I think there's room to do some better transitions and

2315
02:49:34,605 --> 02:49:37,925
maybe through this weaving of open space, you can reduce the intensity

2316
02:49:39,145 --> 02:49:42,815
of the townhouse product. Or maybe there's another product that again,

2317
02:49:43,165 --> 02:49:46,765
transitions from single family to maybe there's duplexes there

2318
02:49:47,345 --> 02:49:51,085
on the north side and then it transitions to towns. I just think that's something that could be looked at

2319
02:49:51,745 --> 02:49:55,685
in more detail. And I, I think it's, you know, the, the angst of the, of the

2320
02:49:55,845 --> 02:49:59,285
neighborhood is the, they're looking at this in the intensity of it. And so if we could

2321
02:50:00,075 --> 02:50:03,845
cool it down a little bit and make it less intense, and maybe that doesn't

2322
02:50:04,125 --> 02:50:07,985
mean it's less dense, but it's less intense and really use open space to do that in

2323
02:50:08,245 --> 02:50:11,725
a, in a very creative way, I think could really help to mitigate

2324
02:50:12,485 --> 02:50:16,025
a lot of the concerns that, uh, people have voiced. But again, um,

2325
02:50:16,685 --> 02:50:19,785
I kind of just say that the community plan is our guide and,

2326
02:50:20,705 --> 02:50:23,765
um, the, the uses that are shown here,

2327
02:50:24,865 --> 02:50:28,645
and mostly the organization of those uses on the site is consistent

2328
02:50:29,045 --> 02:50:32,995
with the community plan. So those would be the, the comments that I would offer,

2329
02:50:33,815 --> 02:50:37,785
and I'd open it up to the commission for additional comments. Your

2330
02:50:38,315 --> 02:50:42,215
comments really made me think about a few things. It, it is a tense intensity of

2331
02:50:42,575 --> 02:50:46,335
how this development is, and not hearing that tonight didn't

2332
02:50:46,755 --> 02:50:50,715
help. But, um, you know, the things that are on rings road,

2333
02:50:50,975 --> 02:50:54,855
you know how tall those stones are and the grasses they use

2334
02:50:55,255 --> 02:50:58,995
and things of that sort, even if they added in a few more single

2335
02:50:59,335 --> 02:51:02,855
family homes that kind of made it look like it was

2336
02:51:03,375 --> 02:51:07,335
having its way and that then, um, it softened to

2337
02:51:07,855 --> 02:51:11,775
the town homes, which that's a difficult part for me. So,

2338
02:51:12,255 --> 02:51:16,155
um, I really, I, I appreciate hearing that and I hope that you all hear

2339
02:51:16,315 --> 02:51:20,315
that about too, about what that road is like for everyone driving there. Yeah. Thank

2340
02:51:20,555 --> 02:51:24,495
you jamie. You okay. So

2341
02:51:24,715 --> 02:51:28,435
I'll turn to the applicant. Um, you've heard our comments, you've heard the comments from the community,

2342
02:51:29,415 --> 02:51:32,475
uh, we all have and I think if you have any questions for us.

2343
02:51:34,555 --> 02:51:37,025
okay. Well thank you very much for coming in.

2344
02:51:40,635 --> 02:51:44,495
and as pardon, okay. Um, as you leave, if you could

2345
02:51:44,655 --> 02:51:48,515
all move into the, into the lobby and move down because the noise travels back in, but

2346
02:51:48,735 --> 02:51:52,695
we are gonna take a brief recess at this

2347
02:51:52,815 --> 02:51:55,855
point. So fi five, how much time do you need here?

2348
02:51:57,515 --> 02:52:01,405
10 minutes, 10 minutes, minutes. Okay.

2349
02:52:02,565 --> 02:52:06,445
okay, all we're gonna get started. All the side

2350
02:52:06,645 --> 02:52:10,605
conversations done now. Right. Okay. So we're

2351
02:52:10,925 --> 02:52:14,385
gonna address case number 25 dash 11

2352
02:52:15,085 --> 02:52:18,865
inf, uh, se century senior informal review,

2353
02:52:19,835 --> 02:52:23,565
request for review and non-binding feedback for construction of a continuum

2354
02:52:23,945 --> 02:52:27,365
of care facility, a medical office building, and associated

2355
02:52:27,955 --> 02:52:31,925
site improvements. The 18 acre site is zoned r one, restricted

2356
02:52:32,485 --> 02:52:35,965
suburban residential district, and it's located at the southwest corner of bright road

2357
02:52:36,625 --> 02:52:40,365
and emerald parkway. So we'd like to invite the applicant up now

2358
02:52:40,765 --> 02:52:41,945
to make their presentation.

2359
02:52:49,195 --> 02:52:52,935
uh, good evening. My name's jordan dorsey. I'm the owner of century land company. Uh, my address

2360
02:52:53,275 --> 02:52:57,095
is 8 6 2 0 neely lane in edwardsville, illinois.

2361
02:53:01,725 --> 02:53:05,625
so we're here today. Uh, I really appreciate this opportunity for early feedback in

2362
02:53:05,785 --> 02:53:09,775
the process. Um, we have, um, are proposing

2363
02:53:10,415 --> 02:53:13,895
a seniors housing development at the corner of emerald parkway and bright road.

2364
02:53:15,005 --> 02:53:18,705
um, and I do have some slides, I believe they're in your packet that, that address seniors housing demand.

2365
02:53:20,005 --> 02:53:23,665
uh, due to the time of night, I'll, I'll skip right through that. But, um, you know, generally

2366
02:53:24,305 --> 02:53:28,225
speaking, uh, we believe dublin is, um, you know, experiencing a,

2367
02:53:28,585 --> 02:53:32,505
a rapid growth in the aging population here. Um, you know, dublin's

2368
02:53:33,025 --> 02:53:36,945
own housing study, um, indicated we need 2000 or a little over a thousand units

2369
02:53:37,165 --> 02:53:41,045
by 2030. Um, so that's what we do. We build seniors housing across

2370
02:53:41,585 --> 02:53:45,405
the midwest. It's a, it's a very high end product. It's a full continuum of

2371
02:53:45,625 --> 02:53:48,705
care. Um, I'll jump to a slide here.

2372
02:53:49,685 --> 02:53:49,685
um,

2373
02:53:54,265 --> 02:53:57,965
you go to slide six, you're yeah, sarah, you're going to run the slides. Yeah.

2374
02:53:59,105 --> 02:54:02,865
so the proposed project would be a full continuum of care, um, anchored by, um,

2375
02:54:03,125 --> 02:54:07,055
what's called independent living, which is a little bit of a lower acuity setting. Um, those

2376
02:54:07,685 --> 02:54:10,945
residents would still receive a full suite of services including full service, dining

2377
02:54:12,125 --> 02:54:16,045
wellness programs, uh, indoor pool, um, and in-house therapy.

2378
02:54:17,325 --> 02:54:20,905
um, in addition to that, we would have assisted living and memory care within the, the same

2379
02:54:21,385 --> 02:54:25,285
structure. And then, um, we're also proposing a number of

2380
02:54:25,575 --> 02:54:29,465
independent living villas, um, to a company. Those residents would receive

2381
02:54:29,845 --> 02:54:33,145
the same level of amenity within the, the main structure of the project.

2382
02:54:35,355 --> 02:54:38,355
so if we just wanna go straight to the, uh, site plan, uh,

2383
02:54:41,405 --> 02:54:45,285
so this is the initial co, uh, concept plan. I would really categorize this as

2384
02:54:45,485 --> 02:54:49,465
sort of a test fit at this stage. Um, we're really trying to understand, um,

2385
02:54:49,705 --> 02:54:53,485
you know, how can an existing building, and so this is the building that

2386
02:54:53,725 --> 02:54:57,685
you're seeing on this plan is, is a project that, um, we're under construction right now in a

2387
02:54:57,805 --> 02:55:01,365
community called zionsville indiana. Uh, very similar make up to dublin.

2388
02:55:02,225 --> 02:55:06,045
and so we're trying to understand how that, how that building fits on this site and how we might,

2389
02:55:06,465 --> 02:55:10,285
um, you know, the relationship between the independent living, assisted

2390
02:55:10,485 --> 02:55:13,985
living and the villas. Um, so what you're seeing here, um,

2391
02:55:14,545 --> 02:55:18,425
the main structure, which is in the northeast corner that is, uh,

2392
02:55:18,705 --> 02:55:22,605
the primary building. We've tried to transition the four story

2393
02:55:22,995 --> 02:55:26,605
portion of the project, which is on the south end of that building, which is independent

2394
02:55:27,165 --> 02:55:30,935
living, um, to a two story product at the northern side that abuts

2395
02:55:31,285 --> 02:55:34,205
the residential, uh, that would be assisted living in memory care.

2396
02:55:35,445 --> 02:55:39,245
uh, the amenities for the project, which include the full service dining, the

2397
02:55:39,535 --> 02:55:43,525
bistros, the wine bar, the pool, uh, the therapy center

2398
02:55:44,125 --> 02:55:48,065
is, um, typically placed within that core of the building so that all of the residents of

2399
02:55:48,185 --> 02:55:51,875
the building can enjoy those same amenities. Um, to the left,

2400
02:55:52,295 --> 02:55:55,955
uh, on the western boundary, you can see a number of villas. So we've plugged in, plugged in approximately

2401
02:55:56,435 --> 02:56:00,395
30 single story, um, independent living villa. So they

2402
02:56:00,515 --> 02:56:04,455
would be age restricted. Um, those residents would, um, you

2403
02:56:04,675 --> 02:56:08,655
know, pay a monthly rental just like the rest of the residents and receive the lame, same level of

2404
02:56:08,875 --> 02:56:12,595
service, um, of the amenities that exist in the, uh, the primary structure.

2405
02:56:14,005 --> 02:56:17,825
uh, the primary access point for, uh, this proposal is off of the

2406
02:56:18,145 --> 02:56:21,985
new roundabout, um, adjacent to the hospital. Um, on bright

2407
02:56:22,305 --> 02:56:26,145
road, we are proposing we would limit access, um, with a gate at that

2408
02:56:26,585 --> 02:56:30,405
location. Um, that would be emergency access only and potentially, um,

2409
02:56:31,285 --> 02:56:33,945
you know, just for residents in the villas, they would have access to that gate.

2410
02:56:35,605 --> 02:56:39,275
um, to the south of the site. You'll also see what we're calling phase

2411
02:56:39,645 --> 02:56:43,525
two. Um, this is a proposed medical office building. Um, it

2412
02:56:43,745 --> 02:56:47,725
is conceptual at this point, but we are, you know, we would be willing to reserve that portion of

2413
02:56:47,945 --> 02:56:51,605
the site, uh, to align with the city's plans. And,

2414
02:56:51,965 --> 02:56:55,585
um, we, we do understand that, uh, there are, you know, potential

2415
02:56:56,065 --> 02:56:59,985
plans for the future overpass over two 70 that would intersect right in front of

2416
02:57:00,185 --> 02:57:04,135
that medical office building. Uh, the medical office building component, if you

2417
02:57:04,215 --> 02:57:06,595
go to the very last slide. Um,

2418
02:57:13,145 --> 02:57:17,005
so we, we are, uh, really, um, would enjoy your feedback on what the city

2419
02:57:17,165 --> 02:57:20,365
would like to see in terms of medical office and retail at that location.

2420
02:57:21,185 --> 02:57:25,165
um, we've included some concept images that are one story multi-tenant

2421
02:57:26,065 --> 02:57:30,045
retail and medical office. Um, we've also included, if you wanna go to the next slides

2422
02:57:30,325 --> 02:57:34,115
here, thank you. Um, on the left would be, you know, your, your your

2423
02:57:34,405 --> 02:57:38,205
typical office, uh, medical office. And we, we would like to discuss,

2424
02:57:38,585 --> 02:57:42,555
you know, keeping that, uh, general office, it's most likely gonna be a medical user that

2425
02:57:42,905 --> 02:57:46,405
is ancillary to seniors housing. Um, but we've had some of the neighborhood

2426
02:57:46,965 --> 02:57:50,925
feedback that they would really like to see, um, you know, like a coffee shop or something that would

2427
02:57:51,125 --> 02:57:55,125
draw a little bit of traffic that, um, you know, would service both the seniors housing and the additional

2428
02:57:55,525 --> 02:57:58,725
density that's, um, going to be, you know, coming to that particular area.

2429
02:58:01,165 --> 02:58:04,175
um, actually sarah, if you wanna go back to the, that concept rendering,

2430
02:58:05,485 --> 02:58:07,885
um, slide number eight, please.

2431
02:58:11,645 --> 02:58:15,585
uh, next slide please. Um, so

2432
02:58:15,805 --> 02:58:19,245
this is a concept image. Um, this building's actually being built in franklin, tennessee.

2433
02:58:20,185 --> 02:58:24,165
um, I'm providing this just to, um, try to understand, you know, from the

2434
02:58:24,285 --> 02:58:28,165
city's perspective what sort of architecture they'd like to see at this location.

2435
02:58:29,065 --> 02:58:32,865
um, you know, in this particular project it's, it's natural stone. It's, uh,

2436
02:58:33,235 --> 02:58:36,905
wood look siding, it's, uh, lots of masonry and,

2437
02:58:37,305 --> 02:58:41,145
um, hardy plank, uh, pitch to roof. So we

2438
02:58:41,365 --> 02:58:45,325
really, you know, in most of these communities, we really want, uh, this building to present

2439
02:58:45,565 --> 02:58:49,185
as residential rather than institutional. And we really want it to blend with within

2440
02:58:49,625 --> 02:58:53,605
the community. So, um, this is what we would propose, uh, for this

2441
02:58:54,005 --> 02:58:57,585
location. And four, or, uh, for the independent living would be four story. The

2442
02:58:58,045 --> 02:59:01,085
assisted living would be, uh, and memory care would be two story.

2443
02:59:04,245 --> 02:59:04,245
um,

2444
02:59:08,315 --> 02:59:10,745
sarah, if you don't mind going to, uh, slide number 14.

2445
02:59:14,745 --> 02:59:18,635
um, let's go, uh, one more please. Can,

2446
02:59:19,115 --> 02:59:23,045
can you tell I don't have numbers on the slides? Oh, I'm sorry. Um, go, keep

2447
02:59:23,335 --> 02:59:27,285
going, please. Uh, this right here, uh, this is an alternative architecture.

2448
02:59:27,915 --> 02:59:31,595
this is, uh, under construction in zionsville, indiana. This is a much more traditional look,

2449
02:59:32,585 --> 02:59:36,505
um, you know, at this early stage, uh, we have the ability to really tailor

2450
02:59:37,025 --> 02:59:40,425
the look and feel of the building to the surrounding area. So, um, looking for, um,

2451
02:59:41,225 --> 02:59:45,225
any additional feedback that the city might have on, you know, how they would like this project to,

2452
02:59:45,505 --> 02:59:46,245
to blend into the community.

2453
02:59:50,485 --> 02:59:54,335
um, and then sarah, if you could go back

2454
02:59:54,495 --> 02:59:57,295
to the, the table that discusses the distinctions between the beacon.

2455
02:59:59,295 --> 03:00:03,195
um, yeah, this one here, um, we're just providing this because I did have a

2456
03:00:03,315 --> 03:00:07,255
few questions on how does this, uh, how is this differentiated from, uh,

2457
03:00:07,495 --> 03:00:11,435
the beacon that was recently approved, um, earlier this year. Um, and I

2458
03:00:11,555 --> 03:00:15,515
will fully disclose like the commu the information on the west, or the left side of the screen

2459
03:00:15,775 --> 03:00:19,615
is based on public record, so I'm not gonna pretend to know all the ins and outs of that development. But,

2460
03:00:20,255 --> 03:00:23,955
um, as we understand it, um, you know, our product is, is a month to month rental,

2461
03:00:24,375 --> 03:00:28,355
no buy-in. Um, so, you know, residents of this community will be able

2462
03:00:28,555 --> 03:00:32,435
to, um, sign a lease and have short-term commitment. Um, so it's

2463
03:00:32,635 --> 03:00:36,635
just a much more flexible, um, arrangement. Um, this would all be done in terms

2464
03:00:36,755 --> 03:00:39,835
of the senior living component in a single phase. So, you know, we're adding

2465
03:00:40,775 --> 03:00:44,315
the, potentially the 160 to 170 units of assisted living,

2466
03:00:44,975 --> 03:00:48,875
memory care, and independent living plus the villas, um, all in one phase

2467
03:00:49,115 --> 03:00:50,075
over around a two year period.

2468
03:00:54,105 --> 03:00:57,925
so with that, I will, uh, I would love to, you know, take any feedback at the end. Thank you.

2469
03:00:58,695 --> 03:01:02,125
great. We'll come back to that after the staff presentation. Thank you.

2470
03:01:15,065 --> 03:01:18,795
good evening commissioners. Uh, this indeed is century

2471
03:01:19,175 --> 03:01:22,785
senior and it is an informal request. This

2472
03:01:23,215 --> 03:01:27,065
is an optional step in the planned unit development process.

2473
03:01:28,495 --> 03:01:32,295
and as we've seen with the concept plan a, the

2474
03:01:32,515 --> 03:01:36,075
applicant is seeking non-binding feedback to specific questions.

2475
03:01:37,175 --> 03:01:40,795
and generally we're looking at the appropriateness of the proposal

2476
03:01:41,795 --> 03:01:45,385
relative to envision dublin and the, um, special

2477
03:01:45,985 --> 03:01:49,675
area plan. And we're also looking at use and density

2478
03:01:50,825 --> 03:01:54,615
site layout, the open space framework. And as

2479
03:01:54,935 --> 03:01:58,355
the applicant has mentioned, they would appreciate some feedback on the architecture.

2480
03:02:01,015 --> 03:02:04,595
the site is in yellow as outlined on the map. It's at the southwest

2481
03:02:05,075 --> 03:02:08,825
corner of emerald parkway and bright road. Currently

2482
03:02:09,575 --> 03:02:13,495
it is zoned r one, restricted suburban residential, and

2483
03:02:13,715 --> 03:02:17,395
it's surrounded mostly by the same except for the mount

2484
03:02:17,855 --> 03:02:21,215
carmel, pud and the newly approved beacon,

2485
03:02:22,115 --> 03:02:25,815
pud. Our discussion

2486
03:02:26,835 --> 03:02:30,335
as, um, previously done tonight is gonna start with the broadest

2487
03:02:30,855 --> 03:02:34,795
concepts and then move to more specific concepts. The

2488
03:02:35,015 --> 03:02:38,935
future land use is part of envision dublin, and this particular

2489
03:02:39,885 --> 03:02:43,795
site is noted as neighborhood office, which, um,

2490
03:02:44,725 --> 03:02:48,285
principal uses include office, medical office, and institutional

2491
03:02:49,155 --> 03:02:53,075
office with assisted living as a supporting use.

2492
03:02:54,035 --> 03:02:57,975
so neighborhood office envisions one to two story buildings

2493
03:02:58,875 --> 03:03:02,805
up to 9,500 square feet per acre with residential

2494
03:03:03,495 --> 03:03:06,615
character and that low lot coverage

2495
03:03:09,735 --> 03:03:13,315
here, the site is overlaying on the special area plan, which

2496
03:03:13,925 --> 03:03:17,875
is more specific than our future land use. Map items

2497
03:03:18,445 --> 03:03:22,245
to point out include number 11, which is the

2498
03:03:22,465 --> 03:03:25,835
general location of that I two 70 bridge and the roundabout,

2499
03:03:27,845 --> 03:03:31,415
the green stream and open space connection with

2500
03:03:32,055 --> 03:03:35,775
termini that goes through the middle of this

2501
03:03:36,785 --> 03:03:40,705
property. That's the dashed black line, a

2502
03:03:40,825 --> 03:03:44,735
tree road to be preserved on the west side, and then special landscape

2503
03:03:45,345 --> 03:03:49,165
treatment along emerald parkway. So key

2504
03:03:49,505 --> 03:03:52,615
concepts include preservation of that emerald parkway

2505
03:03:53,535 --> 03:03:57,155
character transition to single family residential

2506
03:03:58,025 --> 03:04:01,805
on both the north and the west. The incorporation

2507
03:04:02,665 --> 03:04:05,665
of tree stands or rows into the design

2508
03:04:06,695 --> 03:04:10,555
protection of the stream corridors, a 100

2509
03:04:11,165 --> 03:04:14,245
foot minimum setback along emerald parkway

2510
03:04:15,645 --> 03:04:19,615
parking to the rear and side of buildings. And then

2511
03:04:19,865 --> 03:04:23,475
again, that target density of a 9,500 square

2512
03:04:23,925 --> 03:04:27,715
feet per acre. An alternative factor

2513
03:04:28,325 --> 03:04:32,155
that you may consider during tonight's discussion is the

2514
03:04:32,375 --> 03:04:35,455
fact that this specific location

2515
03:04:36,675 --> 03:04:40,515
and the surrounding development has changed in in

2516
03:04:40,735 --> 03:04:44,495
recent months, and we now have the mount carmel hospital,

2517
03:04:45,435 --> 03:04:48,575
um, directly east to this site, and then the beacon

2518
03:04:50,045 --> 03:04:53,975
kind of cattycorner to the northeast. And you might

2519
03:04:54,495 --> 03:04:57,775
consider if, if there are these special mitigating circumstances

2520
03:04:58,925 --> 03:05:02,795
that that may adjust what the community

2521
03:05:03,345 --> 03:05:07,325
plan is considering. Here

2522
03:05:07,675 --> 03:05:11,235
the site is overlaying on the character character map.

2523
03:05:11,805 --> 03:05:15,655
this is part of the transportation and mobility element of envision

2524
03:05:16,035 --> 03:05:19,955
dublin. And here emerald parkway is noted as

2525
03:05:20,415 --> 03:05:23,005
a commuter boulevard with a traditional character.

2526
03:05:24,515 --> 03:05:28,405
it is also a corridor of significance where we amplify

2527
03:05:28,955 --> 03:05:32,395
the features that are mentioned here,

2528
03:05:33,335 --> 03:05:36,955
um, including those 100 foot setbacks to help blend with

2529
03:05:37,395 --> 03:05:40,705
adjacent uses. The formal maintained landscape,

2530
03:05:42,075 --> 03:05:45,595
a focus on ponds and water features. And then variable

2531
03:05:46,275 --> 03:05:49,725
bering bright road, on the other hand, is

2532
03:05:50,505 --> 03:05:54,035
a river character corridor, and this has 60

2533
03:05:54,565 --> 03:05:57,935
to 100 foot setbacks and a natural character

2534
03:05:58,935 --> 03:06:02,675
with woodland plantings. The integration of stone walls

2535
03:06:03,325 --> 03:06:06,995
and wood fences and more informal water

2536
03:06:07,865 --> 03:06:09,305
swale and berm features.

2537
03:06:12,825 --> 03:06:16,645
these are photos of the existing site and as you saw, it's

2538
03:06:16,935 --> 03:06:20,895
a a vacant site at the moment, and these particular views are from

2539
03:06:21,415 --> 03:06:24,965
emerald parkway. These photos

2540
03:06:25,435 --> 03:06:28,155
show the residential context along bright road.

2541
03:06:33,105 --> 03:06:36,705
this commission has seen some previous proposals, including

2542
03:06:37,665 --> 03:06:40,905
case 19 1 15, which was a concept plan

2543
03:06:41,965 --> 03:06:45,785
where the beacon actually came over onto

2544
03:06:46,305 --> 03:06:50,245
this site and obviously that

2545
03:06:50,545 --> 03:06:54,525
has since been removed. Um, an informal proposal

2546
03:06:54,945 --> 03:06:58,945
was made in 2023 for residential on

2547
03:06:59,205 --> 03:07:03,205
a portion of the property. Uh, the commission noted at that time

2548
03:07:03,475 --> 03:07:07,155
that residential was not appropriate. It's

2549
03:07:07,515 --> 03:07:11,315
also important to note that both of these proposals were

2550
03:07:11,605 --> 03:07:15,405
made under the previous community plan and that community

2551
03:07:16,155 --> 03:07:19,715
plan allowed up to 12,500 square feet

2552
03:07:20,305 --> 03:07:24,205
per acre. So looking

2553
03:07:24,585 --> 03:07:28,475
at tonight's plan, uh, the applicant went through some

2554
03:07:28,765 --> 03:07:32,375
of the details and I'm just gonna highlight very quickly some items.

2555
03:07:33,705 --> 03:07:36,615
the main entry is shown at the mount carmel roundabout.

2556
03:07:38,325 --> 03:07:42,045
a right in right out is shown pretty much consistent

2557
03:07:42,685 --> 03:07:46,105
with that future, um, I two 70 bridge and

2558
03:07:46,755 --> 03:07:50,605
that roundabout, this conflict will need to be addressed if the

2559
03:07:50,805 --> 03:07:54,405
project progresses. The approximate location

2560
03:07:55,025 --> 03:07:58,795
of the drainage is shown here, which is different than

2561
03:07:59,385 --> 03:08:03,315
the storm water features that are shown. Um, because this

2562
03:08:03,625 --> 03:08:06,915
is such an emphasized feature in the special area plan,

2563
03:08:08,025 --> 03:08:11,805
the city's expecting some public access, some, some real

2564
03:08:12,315 --> 03:08:13,805
enhancement of that feature.

2565
03:08:19,185 --> 03:08:22,835
the two to four story main building is shown here.

2566
03:08:24,105 --> 03:08:27,925
and please note the size and the massing

2567
03:08:28,475 --> 03:08:32,215
of that building adjacent to existing residential, even though

2568
03:08:32,885 --> 03:08:36,805
it's two stories, it is a large building. There's also

2569
03:08:37,095 --> 03:08:40,465
parking on three sides of that building, including along

2570
03:08:41,135 --> 03:08:44,105
emerald parkway. The future phase

2571
03:08:45,225 --> 03:08:49,175
noted here is somewhere between one and four stories, depending on

2572
03:08:49,295 --> 03:08:53,195
the information. Um, it could be medical or retail.

2573
03:08:53,875 --> 03:08:57,455
as the applicant has noted, there is parking around the entire

2574
03:08:58,175 --> 03:09:01,845
building, which kind of gives more of a strip center feel

2575
03:09:02,235 --> 03:09:05,955
to it. Um, and I would note that retail is not

2576
03:09:06,285 --> 03:09:10,065
supported in envision. Dublin staff

2577
03:09:10,645 --> 03:09:14,615
also feels that this particular location has some real

2578
03:09:14,895 --> 03:09:17,955
potential for enhanced architecture and

2579
03:09:19,415 --> 03:09:23,255
excellent site design because it will be a focal point or a terminus

2580
03:09:24,275 --> 03:09:27,735
for that bridge and that roundabout, this is something that could really

2581
03:09:28,435 --> 03:09:32,175
be leveraged. The one story

2582
03:09:32,675 --> 03:09:36,635
villas are on the west edge, and this is

2583
03:09:37,115 --> 03:09:41,095
to buffer the adjacent residential, but staff feels

2584
03:09:41,415 --> 03:09:45,095
that this should really wrap around the north side to buffer bright road as well.

2585
03:09:46,515 --> 03:09:50,175
um, and again, as previously mentioned, the commission did have

2586
03:09:50,535 --> 03:09:53,475
concerns about residential development,

2587
03:09:55,305 --> 03:09:58,005
so you may wanna consider that as part of your discussion.

2588
03:10:01,015 --> 03:10:04,825
we will have questions for the commission regarding the uses in the massing.

2589
03:10:05,975 --> 03:10:09,735
what's shown here is approximately 18,900 square

2590
03:10:10,185 --> 03:10:14,115
feet per acre, and we're asking, you know,

2591
03:10:14,295 --> 03:10:18,225
is this situation mitigated by adjacent uses?

2592
03:10:21,445 --> 03:10:25,285
the architectural examples were provided by the applicant, um,

2593
03:10:26,525 --> 03:10:29,835
and the materials were gone over. And again, were requesting

2594
03:10:30,615 --> 03:10:31,985
some feedback on that architecture.

2595
03:10:35,545 --> 03:10:39,255
and this, uh, is the architecture for the future phase

2596
03:10:39,705 --> 03:10:43,695
on that south side. And again, staff

2597
03:10:44,145 --> 03:10:47,545
has concern about kind of the strip center nature of

2598
03:10:49,135 --> 03:10:52,995
the images, the medical building is shown on the right.

2599
03:10:54,015 --> 03:10:57,195
we note the variety of building height and materials,

2600
03:10:59,085 --> 03:11:03,065
and we're also noting that this is not in keeping with that special

2601
03:11:03,455 --> 03:11:06,425
area plan vision and the unique site location.

2602
03:11:07,565 --> 03:11:11,305
um, and then retail is not so much envisioned

2603
03:11:11,625 --> 03:11:15,545
here. So our proposed questions

2604
03:11:15,875 --> 03:11:19,745
range from the broad to the specific. And with that, I'm happy to answer

2605
03:11:20,045 --> 03:11:23,965
any questions. Thank you, ms. Holt. So turning to

2606
03:11:24,185 --> 03:11:28,145
the commission for questions. Mr. Desler, you've had a bit nice break back there. So

2607
03:11:28,345 --> 03:11:31,985
why don't we start with you . I was fully expecting

2608
03:11:32,545 --> 03:11:36,505
that, by the way, . It's okay. Hey, real quick. I

2609
03:11:36,625 --> 03:11:40,405
ju I know we, we had it. What, uh, sarah, what was the, um,

2610
03:11:42,235 --> 03:11:44,635
the beacon was the catty-cornered and

2611
03:11:46,705 --> 03:11:50,375
there's a pud now for that. Was it through a, um,

2612
03:11:51,595 --> 03:11:55,435
preliminary development plan? Is that what it's for? That's right. That was, yes.

2613
03:11:55,635 --> 03:11:59,415
yeah, that was approved. Right. And the rezonings has been completed. Okay. Mm-hmm . That's

2614
03:11:59,835 --> 03:12:02,985
what I thought. Um, so

2615
03:12:06,065 --> 03:12:09,875
sarah, a question for you then. I'm probably gonna ask the applicant the same thing potentially. Uh,

2616
03:12:11,415 --> 03:12:15,095
what were the conversations that were had with the applicant?

2617
03:12:15,575 --> 03:12:19,175
because just

2618
03:12:19,865 --> 03:12:23,865
speaking honestly here, I find it a little obscure that we're going to maybe consider

2619
03:12:24,625 --> 03:12:27,905
a similar community, retirement community, uh, assisted living

2620
03:12:28,955 --> 03:12:32,745
caddy cornered, and this one doesn't really meet any of the

2621
03:12:33,265 --> 03:12:37,245
envision doubling criteria or the specific area plan requirements. So mm-hmm

2622
03:12:37,705 --> 03:12:40,515
. Can you give me an idea of what conversations you had with the applicant about,

2623
03:12:41,735 --> 03:12:44,715
uh, what I would consider failures to meet the certain expectations

2624
03:12:47,525 --> 03:12:50,395
the applicant approach staff through the office hours,

2625
03:12:51,705 --> 03:12:55,425
um, opportunity that we have, and

2626
03:12:56,085 --> 03:12:59,835
I did not attend that office hours, but my understanding is that

2627
03:13:00,785 --> 03:13:04,785
in vision dublin, the special area plan, um,

2628
03:13:05,215 --> 03:13:09,125
these details were brought up and concerns were

2629
03:13:09,405 --> 03:13:13,045
raised. So, um, the concerns

2630
03:13:13,485 --> 03:13:17,235
that we're raising here are very consistent with the message that

2631
03:13:17,625 --> 03:13:19,995
has been provided previously. Okay.

2632
03:13:23,315 --> 03:13:27,295
do you mind coming up to the podium and sort of the same questions, you know, when you approached

2633
03:13:27,495 --> 03:13:31,295
the city, what, what conversations did you have? What was obviously their

2634
03:13:31,775 --> 03:13:35,605
response, and then how did you plan on addressing those, those concerns

2635
03:13:36,125 --> 03:13:39,825
that they expressed? Yeah, I think, you know, multiple conversations. We,

2636
03:13:40,145 --> 03:13:44,025
we also engaged with the, um, east dublin civic association and

2637
03:13:44,245 --> 03:13:47,745
a council member. Um, you know, what we looked at was the

2638
03:13:48,365 --> 03:13:52,105
rezoning that occurred with the beacon was a very similar situation. Um,

2639
03:13:52,555 --> 03:13:56,385
through that rezoning, you know, that's a four story product. The use was

2640
03:13:56,605 --> 03:14:00,165
deemed acceptable within the same parameters of what we're considering here.

2641
03:14:01,065 --> 03:14:05,045
um, from our perspective, we, we really think this is sort of

2642
03:14:05,125 --> 03:14:08,675
a textbook location for this type of transitionary housing when

2643
03:14:09,605 --> 03:14:13,185
a community really needs it. Um, you've got healthcare adjacent to the,

2644
03:14:13,985 --> 03:14:17,845
um, directly to the east, and then knowing that this is a residential product

2645
03:14:18,355 --> 03:14:22,285
that also employs 80 people and provides healthcare. So it really fits within the narrative

2646
03:14:22,685 --> 03:14:26,685
of that medical use. Um, and then we had discussions

2647
03:14:27,165 --> 03:14:31,105
about, you know, the, the expectation for medical office in

2648
03:14:31,325 --> 03:14:35,315
this corridor as well. And so we were willing to, you know, sort of make

2649
03:14:35,605 --> 03:14:38,765
that more manageable, um, by allocating a portion of this project

2650
03:14:40,105 --> 03:14:41,645
for, uh, future of medical office development.

2651
03:14:44,435 --> 03:14:48,385
thank you. Did, what other considerations did you put in for

2652
03:14:48,585 --> 03:14:52,525
this property? You know, as been discussed,

2653
03:14:52,965 --> 03:14:56,805
the, the plan has talked about some different kind of, uh, you know, medical offices. Obviously

2654
03:14:57,285 --> 03:15:00,875
I know you're proposing a large office building, but what other type

2655
03:15:01,305 --> 03:15:05,185
of design did you have? Because in,

2656
03:15:05,425 --> 03:15:07,505
in reality here and I, and, and, um,

2657
03:15:09,605 --> 03:15:13,345
it, it, it feels again, feels very similar to what's, what's

2658
03:15:13,655 --> 03:15:17,645
cattycorner and this is more of a, a primary use, um,

2659
03:15:19,825 --> 03:15:23,595
with regard to the assisted living facility and then the, the where the office

2660
03:15:23,855 --> 03:15:27,725
is secondary. So I'll rephrase. What other type of

2661
03:15:28,325 --> 03:15:32,325
buildings did you consider instead of, uh, primarily the assisted

2662
03:15:32,525 --> 03:15:36,485
living components that you've presented? Yeah, I mean, um, frankly we viewed it

2663
03:15:36,645 --> 03:15:40,485
very similarly. So the way I understood the beacon being presented with a phased

2664
03:15:40,845 --> 03:15:44,305
plan, uh, first phase being independent living and

2665
03:15:44,895 --> 03:15:48,845
slash assisted living. Um, our higher acuity setting, which

2666
03:15:49,320 --> 03:15:52,935
is more of a healthcare environment, was, will be part of the, you know, phase

2667
03:15:53,345 --> 03:15:56,895
one. It'd be, it'd be built altogether. So in terms of the product,

2668
03:15:57,555 --> 03:16:01,475
um, and, you know, the, the massing and the, the, the

2669
03:16:01,815 --> 03:16:05,735
building height was, we really took those cues from, you know, the city's response

2670
03:16:06,075 --> 03:16:09,865
to feeling that the beacon was appropriate within this corridor based

2671
03:16:10,215 --> 03:16:13,395
on, you know, the developments that have been happening in the last several months there. So

2672
03:16:14,765 --> 03:16:15,545
we feel it's very similar.

2673
03:16:19,365 --> 03:16:22,045
did you do any analysis, um,

2674
03:16:23,965 --> 03:16:27,095
with some of the other retirement and assisted living communities in dublin?

2675
03:16:28,085 --> 03:16:31,795
yeah, sure. Okay. Your plan

2676
03:16:32,745 --> 03:16:36,225
is completely opposite to what friendship village is.

2677
03:16:37,745 --> 03:16:41,385
are you aware of that? Did you do any analysis of that community? You mean in terms of

2678
03:16:41,795 --> 03:16:44,285
like where there's the o the ownership getting in line?

2679
03:16:46,705 --> 03:16:50,435
for sure. Yeah. What, what type of, in your analysis, what,

2680
03:16:50,725 --> 03:16:54,555
what did you come up with with how that, uh, that

2681
03:16:54,845 --> 03:16:57,405
your product that you're proposing here compares to

2682
03:16:58,875 --> 03:17:02,785
what my understanding is, is an extremely successful, uh, design

2683
03:17:03,385 --> 03:17:07,285
and program that they have at friendship village? Yeah, that's a good question. So I can only

2684
03:17:07,485 --> 03:17:10,645
speak from my experience. Um, I've been doing this for about 15 years,

2685
03:17:11,585 --> 03:17:15,355
um, you know, friendship village being a nonprofit, so very

2686
03:17:15,645 --> 03:17:19,645
common all over the country. You see continuum care re retirement communities, it

2687
03:17:19,805 --> 03:17:23,575
is typically a nonprofit scenario where you have the buy-in model

2688
03:17:24,315 --> 03:17:28,215
and that's that upfront fee, and then they pay service fees. Um, what we're

2689
03:17:28,455 --> 03:17:32,135
proposing is a, a monthly rental model. So this is not a non-profit,

2690
03:17:32,645 --> 03:17:36,415
it's a for-profit. I frankly never seen, I have not seen personally

2691
03:17:37,335 --> 03:17:41,305
a for-profit model that had the buy-in model. Um, and so I

2692
03:17:41,425 --> 03:17:45,255
can only speculate that that doesn't work or my, you know, I'm not that I've

2693
03:17:45,705 --> 03:17:49,335
never done it before, I've not seen it. Um, and so what we are proposing

2694
03:17:49,775 --> 03:17:53,635
here, we know works and these types of communities all across the country are,

2695
03:17:53,955 --> 03:17:57,895
are filling and there's a huge need for them. Um, we're leasing

2696
03:17:58,215 --> 03:18:02,095
a very similar product zionsville right now, and the demand is off the

2697
03:18:02,255 --> 03:18:06,135
charts. Um, the amount of leads that we're tracking on that particular project is something

2698
03:18:06,375 --> 03:18:10,235
I've never seen before. And so it does track the demographics. Um,

2699
03:18:10,875 --> 03:18:14,415
but I think that's, that's also why I included the, the distinction because

2700
03:18:14,925 --> 03:18:18,815
what we're proposing here, we know works. It's very successful in very similar

2701
03:18:19,055 --> 03:18:22,575
communities all over the midwest, and it is a housing type that is really needed.

2702
03:18:23,595 --> 03:18:27,555
um, and the whole concept is very similar to, uh, friendship village in

2703
03:18:27,775 --> 03:18:31,775
the sense that we provide the exact same amenities, the same levels of care, the same

2704
03:18:31,895 --> 03:18:35,815
types of housing that ranges from lower acuity to higher acuity,

2705
03:18:36,955 --> 03:18:40,855
but the financial side is much simpler. Um, you know, residents are paying a monthly

2706
03:18:41,235 --> 03:18:45,035
fee and with care fees on top of that, so there's no buy-in com

2707
03:18:45,255 --> 03:18:49,005
component. Okay. Thank you. Yep.

2708
03:18:50,645 --> 03:18:54,565
mr. Alexander, sarah, before the

2709
03:18:54,785 --> 03:18:57,595
beacon was rezoned, were the same parameters

2710
03:18:59,045 --> 03:19:02,985
on that site that are on this site, such as the density

2711
03:19:03,565 --> 03:19:07,365
of 9,500 per square foot? What

2712
03:19:07,655 --> 03:19:11,135
was the timing of that? Yeah, I, I can maybe weigh in on that.

2713
03:19:11,685 --> 03:19:15,655
it's the same future land use designation, uh, same parameters.

2714
03:19:17,155 --> 03:19:20,835
the beacon started in 2019, so it evolved over time and

2715
03:19:21,255 --> 03:19:25,195
I think, um, obviously started under the previous, um, uh,

2716
03:19:25,415 --> 03:19:29,375
community plan, but by the time it went through the final approvals for

2717
03:19:29,575 --> 03:19:33,395
the preliminary development plan and rezoning, uh, and vision dublin was

2718
03:19:33,615 --> 03:19:37,375
adopted, uh, it went through a lot of discussions, obviously over

2719
03:19:37,655 --> 03:19:41,395
those years. And I think the commission in that case, and

2720
03:19:41,815 --> 03:19:45,425
ultimately city council, um, accepted the fact that given

2721
03:19:46,075 --> 03:19:49,795
the, uh, medical office that's happening with, or the, the,

2722
03:19:50,115 --> 03:19:53,455
uh, mount carmel use that was in the planning stages at the time,

2723
03:19:54,395 --> 03:19:58,055
the lifetime fitness to the north, and some of the a adjacent

2724
03:19:58,685 --> 03:20:02,255
uses that the synergy of those uses made some sense.

2725
03:20:03,235 --> 03:20:07,095
and in terms of the density, I even though it exceeded

2726
03:20:07,475 --> 03:20:11,125
the, uh, density mm-hmm . And even the envision dublin plan,

2727
03:20:11,635 --> 03:20:15,345
the actual intensity, we talked about density and intensity being

2728
03:20:15,895 --> 03:20:19,845
a more residential use gear towards senior citizens that,

2729
03:20:20,835 --> 03:20:24,835
uh, the, even though it exceeded the, uh, square footage

2730
03:20:25,175 --> 03:20:29,095
per acre, the intensity was acceptable. Um,

2731
03:20:29,595 --> 03:20:33,505
I would point out the difference though, in terms of the luxury that

2732
03:20:33,795 --> 03:20:37,675
the beacon had is the distance between the larger buildings

2733
03:20:38,735 --> 03:20:42,135
and the adjacent neighbors and the streets. So in that case, the

2734
03:20:42,775 --> 03:20:46,555
taller buildings were to the north, closer to lifetime fitness and a

2735
03:20:46,815 --> 03:20:50,635
and a stream in there. And the one story building

2736
03:20:50,855 --> 03:20:54,705
is along the bright road front. It's, uh, that, that's the one distinction between

2737
03:20:55,195 --> 03:20:58,875
the two. Okay. I have sarah, I have one additional question. Um,

2738
03:20:59,815 --> 03:21:03,655
the drainage feature, and you staff report mentions you

2739
03:21:03,875 --> 03:21:07,775
want that to be a part of open to the public. Do you see the

2740
03:21:08,375 --> 03:21:12,195
shared use path that that actually comes down along there

2741
03:21:12,395 --> 03:21:14,715
and it ties into the shared use path? Or how do you see that?

2742
03:21:18,955 --> 03:21:22,785
I might defer to transportation and mobility on that. Okay.

2743
03:21:23,215 --> 03:21:26,655
but I can, we can see,

2744
03:21:28,015 --> 03:21:31,915
um, let me go back to, let me go back to this

2745
03:21:32,295 --> 03:21:36,225
map. Um,

2746
03:21:39,005 --> 03:21:42,855
there is a focal node, you can't see my

2747
03:21:43,775 --> 03:21:47,625
cursor of course, but there's a focal point in

2748
03:21:47,845 --> 03:21:51,425
front of mount carmel hospital and then it

2749
03:21:52,355 --> 03:21:56,065
traverses mm-hmm . To the west, um,

2750
03:21:56,435 --> 03:21:59,705
leading up to the school and,

2751
03:22:00,465 --> 03:22:04,225
um, a a stand of trees and

2752
03:22:04,605 --> 03:22:08,485
a much more defined drainage way. So it would be

2753
03:22:08,955 --> 03:22:11,735
wonderful to take advantage of that, especially,

2754
03:22:13,725 --> 03:22:17,685
um, as a community where

2755
03:22:18,035 --> 03:22:21,915
maybe that becomes a focal point that you could organize the build

2756
03:22:22,355 --> 03:22:22,675
buildings around.

2757
03:22:26,665 --> 03:22:30,085
yeah. I, I, I think sarah said that. Well, and we would certainly encourage pedestrian

2758
03:22:30,755 --> 03:22:34,605
connectivity to and through the site. Okay. A question for

2759
03:22:34,805 --> 03:22:38,645
the applicant. Did, did this, were you aware of this as you were putting your plan

2760
03:22:38,965 --> 03:22:42,725
together? Or is this something that was brought to your attention after you had your plan? Uh, the proposed

2761
03:22:43,005 --> 03:22:46,845
riverway that we're talking about? Yeah. The location of that is new to me. When we had our,

2762
03:22:47,275 --> 03:22:51,005
like informal review with, I think it was public works, we looked at general

2763
03:22:51,805 --> 03:22:55,395
locations of the ponds on the concept plan, and those were indicated

2764
03:22:56,005 --> 03:22:59,325
to be in generally the right location. But, um, certainly engineering's not been done yet.

2765
03:23:01,135 --> 03:23:04,965
'cause this looks like it would go right through your parking lot. It, it is a little bit further north than

2766
03:23:05,285 --> 03:23:09,055
what we had anticipated based on the way the site currently currently drains

2767
03:23:09,415 --> 03:23:13,095
out there. Yeah. Do you think you could incorporate it and are there issues with public

2768
03:23:14,065 --> 03:23:17,425
coming through your site? Um, yeah, I think the,

2769
03:23:18,085 --> 03:23:21,525
the, the challenge would be, which we're, we know we're willing to take a look at is,

2770
03:23:22,285 --> 03:23:26,285
um, by the time you move villas to bright road, to transition one story to

2771
03:23:26,505 --> 03:23:30,115
the residential and push the primary structure a little bit further south,

2772
03:23:30,565 --> 03:23:34,465
um, we'd, we'd have to look at that, but okay. Yeah, it's possible. And it, I think that's

2773
03:23:34,745 --> 03:23:38,535
a, actually could be a really nice feature for the site to have sort

2774
03:23:38,825 --> 03:23:42,695
of that natural riverway running through there with some benches and pathways and that sort of thing. Okay.

2775
03:23:43,015 --> 03:23:46,175
good. Thank you. Yeah, that's all. Thank you ms. Hart.

2776
03:23:47,685 --> 03:23:51,675
thank you for being here, uh, this whole evening. We appreciate it, , in

2777
03:23:51,875 --> 03:23:55,395
your presentation. Um, first of all, um, how was your conversation

2778
03:23:55,985 --> 03:23:59,935
with the east dublin civic association? Um,

2779
03:24:00,155 --> 03:24:04,075
yeah, so our initial interactions, um, so we are communicating through the

2780
03:24:04,235 --> 03:24:08,235
president of that association. Um, initial feedback was

2781
03:24:08,435 --> 03:24:12,355
very minimal. Actually. We had one positive comment that they thought this type

2782
03:24:12,595 --> 03:24:16,275
of use, which is a transitionary use from more commercial hospital to the residential

2783
03:24:16,915 --> 03:24:20,685
was appropriate. Um, I think we also have received a few more comments since

2784
03:24:21,035 --> 03:24:24,865
then that are incorporated into the staff's report. Uh, all the same things that,

2785
03:24:25,295 --> 03:24:28,875
um, have been raised already tonight, which we respect and acknowledge and will address

2786
03:24:29,335 --> 03:24:33,255
is, uh, typically it's building height. Um, I think the

2787
03:24:33,575 --> 03:24:37,435
one thing they seem to be appreciative of is like limiting access onto bright road.

2788
03:24:37,735 --> 03:24:41,535
so, and we're already a very low traffic use anyway, um, but

2789
03:24:42,035 --> 03:24:45,645
limiting access off to bright road and then taking another look at how we're transitioning

2790
03:24:46,045 --> 03:24:49,925
that building height from, you know, lower towards bright road as we

2791
03:24:50,085 --> 03:24:53,695
en encounter the residential. Thank you. I can't remember if a traffic study

2792
03:24:54,105 --> 03:24:57,845
is needed or not. Um, this would be a rezoning,

2793
03:24:58,185 --> 03:25:02,165
so yes, it would be necessary. Okay. Thank you. And then,

2794
03:25:02,625 --> 03:25:06,475
um, the villas, um, they set back

2795
03:25:06,795 --> 03:25:10,675
towards residential. Is there, um, like

2796
03:25:10,995 --> 03:25:14,385
have you thought about, um, the residential if facing

2797
03:25:15,045 --> 03:25:19,025
'em a different way or moving 'em up a little bit? Um, and if

2798
03:25:19,285 --> 03:25:22,965
I can, mr. Desler was mentioning also, um, the difference

2799
03:25:23,405 --> 03:25:26,865
is I don't believe the beacon has villas. Um,

2800
03:25:27,745 --> 03:25:31,275
and so that's a, a residential like independent

2801
03:25:31,965 --> 03:25:35,685
kind of thing. Yeah. Right. Yeah, correct. That's my understanding as well that they don't, they do not have villas.

2802
03:25:36,465 --> 03:25:40,445
um, our personal experience is that the villas in conjunction with the apartment

2803
03:25:40,695 --> 03:25:44,605
style living are highly desirable, um, when you can amenitize them with

2804
03:25:44,905 --> 03:25:48,845
the pool and with the dining program. Um, so a number of

2805
03:25:49,045 --> 03:25:52,565
villas on as part of this project, we think is something that really sets this apart

2806
03:25:53,275 --> 03:25:57,075
that really does go back. You know, back to the friendship village conversation, they

2807
03:25:57,485 --> 03:26:01,365
have a handful of villas, extremely high demand. If you look at any other

2808
03:26:01,565 --> 03:26:05,395
seniors housing within dublin or powell or surrounding communities, um, it's

2809
03:26:05,685 --> 03:26:09,025
typically just an apartment style structure. It's a large building, um,

2810
03:26:09,915 --> 03:26:13,245
with, without that community feel. And what we're really trying to create here is that walkability,

2811
03:26:13,995 --> 03:26:17,965
lots of green space, um, amenitize, all the different components

2812
03:26:18,545 --> 03:26:22,485
of the residential. Um, and that villas, those villas play a, a

2813
03:26:22,605 --> 03:26:26,565
pretty critical component to that. Is there enough of a buffer with the residents

2814
03:26:26,985 --> 03:26:29,905
and so forth with where you're putting the, um, villas?

2815
03:26:33,035 --> 03:26:36,935
um, do you mean with respect to, I thought there was residential on the

2816
03:26:37,055 --> 03:26:39,255
other side of the villas. I thought you were saying that earlier.

2817
03:26:41,105 --> 03:26:45,075
um, you mean off adjacent? There's a, there's a home there. Yeah,

2818
03:26:45,365 --> 03:26:49,245
there's a home, a single family home that, okay. Yeah. The, the home that's to the west of

2819
03:26:49,445 --> 03:26:53,365
us is, uh, vacant. It's boarded up currently. Oh, yeah. Okay. Um, there are,

2820
03:26:53,605 --> 03:26:57,125
I know what you're talking about. Yeah. I was just thinking, sorry, I

2821
03:26:57,635 --> 03:27:01,595
thought you were mentioning that with the villas being close to private

2822
03:27:02,385 --> 03:27:06,325
or that area that way. So, and then would you need to be affiliated

2823
03:27:06,875 --> 03:27:09,965
with a hospital at all, or is that something that you would

2824
03:27:10,995 --> 03:27:14,865
work with since you're across the street from mount carmel? Yeah, so we

2825
03:27:15,245 --> 03:27:19,065
actually have in-house therapy. Um, so, uh, we actually own

2826
03:27:19,405 --> 03:27:23,305
a, a therapy company that's one of the largest in the country that offices out

2827
03:27:23,525 --> 03:27:27,485
of this building. So they provide pt, um, ot, speech therapy, full wellness program.

2828
03:27:28,395 --> 03:27:32,365
they do resident engagement, um, as well. Um, but there typically is

2829
03:27:32,645 --> 03:27:36,005
a relationship with a hospital. So there will be a resident physician that has an affiliation,

2830
03:27:37,105 --> 03:27:40,960
um, and will come to the building to, you know, do medical appointments within the, the,

2831
03:27:41,160 --> 03:27:44,945
within our building, but from mount carmel. Okay. It could be mount carmel. Yes.

2832
03:27:45,305 --> 03:27:49,205
uh, but that would be set up separately. Yeah. I, I guess

2833
03:27:49,325 --> 03:27:53,275
the last thing I was just thinking about too is, um, your

2834
03:27:53,565 --> 03:27:57,565
parking seems minimal, which is, is it that you don't need as

2835
03:27:57,765 --> 03:28:01,615
much or is it just not showing? Yeah. Um, what's

2836
03:28:02,035 --> 03:28:06,035
on the plan is, is conceptual in nature. Typically, for a project like this, we'd have about 0.9

2837
03:28:06,515 --> 03:28:10,435
spaces okay. For the, uh, main building. And then each of the villas would have

2838
03:28:10,555 --> 03:28:13,995
their own, you know, one and a half to two, two car garage in the medical

2839
03:28:14,635 --> 03:28:18,635
building. You are, um, putting that aside, that's not gonna be, it's down

2840
03:28:18,795 --> 03:28:22,335
the road. Uh, but you want us to comment on it or,

2841
03:28:23,095 --> 03:28:26,515
um, yeah, I think what we're willing to do at this point is, is set that

2842
03:28:27,105 --> 03:28:31,015
land aside, um, we would work with a partner to develop that. Um,

2843
03:28:31,815 --> 03:28:35,455
and, you know, I don't do medical office development. Um, so we would bring in

2844
03:28:35,955 --> 03:28:39,635
somebody else that has more expertise around that. We would speak with, you know, the brokerage

2845
03:28:39,995 --> 03:28:43,275
community with, uh, within this area to identify what is appropriate.

2846
03:28:44,295 --> 03:28:48,275
um, but I think at this point, you know, we're willing to set that aside and, and make that commitment

2847
03:28:48,755 --> 03:28:52,095
that, you know, doing something really nice for the city, knowing that the,

2848
03:28:52,785 --> 03:28:56,475
that overpass is gonna happen right at that intersection. We understand that's really important.

2849
03:28:57,365 --> 03:29:01,275
we're willing to have all those discussions and make those commitments and do something really neat

2850
03:29:01,475 --> 03:29:02,595
there. Thank you,

2851
03:29:05,695 --> 03:29:09,675
mr. Chinook. Yes. Again, thank you for the, the

2852
03:29:09,875 --> 03:29:13,835
being here in the presentation. I, I don't, I know we're trying to make a determination kind of bigger picture

2853
03:29:14,335 --> 03:29:18,115
on if this type of facility makes sense. So I'll try not to get down in the weeds

2854
03:29:18,435 --> 03:29:21,635
too much, but I'm going to for a second so we can kinda understand your vision.

2855
03:29:22,735 --> 03:29:26,215
the, the, does this work, if

2856
03:29:27,095 --> 03:29:31,015
the independent living is not four stories, is

2857
03:29:31,235 --> 03:29:35,155
it, is it two stories? Could it be, could you reduce the heights of the building?

2858
03:29:36,285 --> 03:29:40,115
um, we have done the independent living in three stories before. Um, we'll

2859
03:29:40,465 --> 03:29:44,345
definitely look at that. I think, you know, this plan based on, especially the conversation about this riverway,

2860
03:29:45,485 --> 03:29:49,425
um, is gonna impact the way that the site lays out. Sure. Um, I think the implication

2861
03:29:50,025 --> 03:29:53,865
of that, um, will be that we, we probably need

2862
03:29:54,105 --> 03:29:57,985
the four stories in order to make sure that we're able to accommodate the extra green space around the

2863
03:29:58,145 --> 03:30:02,055
site. Um, but we can certainly, we can certainly look at that. Okay.

2864
03:30:02,765 --> 03:30:06,665
and then I think kind of alluded to it several times now, because it, and I'm really glad

2865
03:30:06,825 --> 03:30:10,625
you said this was another project you did that you put on the site because it feels like it's something that's

2866
03:30:10,945 --> 03:30:14,865
not . The just it needs to be, there's a lot of work that

2867
03:30:15,025 --> 03:30:18,965
needs to be done. I assume you, you, like, for instance, like the main entry is,

2868
03:30:19,315 --> 03:30:22,845
seems to be off. So there's, you're obviously willing to work and, and

2869
03:30:23,375 --> 03:30:27,305
cite it much better than it again, I know, I, I understand what you did, why you did, I

2870
03:30:27,425 --> 03:30:31,015
just, that you're, that you would come back with a better site

2871
03:30:31,545 --> 03:30:35,085
scenario. My question also is part of how does the,

2872
03:30:36,195 --> 03:30:40,185
again, I know it's highly conceptual, I hate to get down, but how did the, you said the villas

2873
03:30:40,915 --> 03:30:44,565
have the, the same amenities as the main building, the dining and everything else.

2874
03:30:45,085 --> 03:30:48,875
I assume there'd be walking paths and little, I mean, what you're showing here doesn't have

2875
03:30:49,165 --> 03:30:53,005
that much connectivity, but you would assume would have more connectivity and more pedestrian

2876
03:30:54,185 --> 03:30:58,165
access to the main building. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. We want this to feel like

2877
03:30:58,365 --> 03:31:02,165
one cohesive, walkable neighborhood for, for our residents.

2878
03:31:02,985 --> 03:31:06,785
um, and one thing we would likely do once we reconfigure the building is, you

2879
03:31:07,005 --> 03:31:10,685
know, on the end of the building that's adjacent to the, the villas, um, we typically

2880
03:31:11,045 --> 03:31:14,845
integrate a, like a clubhouse of, of sorts, um, where we do some additional

2881
03:31:15,165 --> 03:31:18,815
amenities in there, like a bistro and, um, an additional dining space

2882
03:31:19,225 --> 03:31:23,165
so that that will be directly adjacent to the villas. And so that it does integrate a lot

2883
03:31:23,245 --> 03:31:27,085
better than, than this. And you're a hundred percent correct. Uh, that's why I indicated it's

2884
03:31:27,365 --> 03:31:31,165
kind of a test fit. Sure. But I totally agree with you. Um, when we reconfigure the site,

2885
03:31:31,685 --> 03:31:35,525
assuming that, you know, the, the city feels the use is appropriate, that we would,

2886
03:31:35,865 --> 03:31:39,725
you know, take all this feedback and come up with a, a site plan that fits the, fits the

2887
03:31:39,885 --> 03:31:43,735
site much better. Perfect. Thank you. Yep. Thank

2888
03:31:44,085 --> 03:31:48,045
you mr. Chinook. Um, ms. Waskowitz, ,

2889
03:31:48,285 --> 03:31:50,205
I have a couple questions for you. I,

2890
03:31:52,645 --> 03:31:56,335
top to bottom, so on this plan, there's

2891
03:31:56,865 --> 03:32:00,745
a, the property line in bright road are not matching up with me. That looks like the,

2892
03:32:00,925 --> 03:32:04,755
the property line's on the center line of the road, so we wouldn't be putting trees.

2893
03:32:05,105 --> 03:32:08,875
where we're I, I'm just curious about the site plan and I maybe

2894
03:32:09,225 --> 03:32:13,225
your question was about the right of way of bright road is how, is,

2895
03:32:13,485 --> 03:32:17,345
how is that, is this depicted accurately on this plan? So my

2896
03:32:17,505 --> 03:32:21,145
guess is that this is an old county parcel that probably

2897
03:32:21,905 --> 03:32:25,785
actually did extend to bright road or even into the pavement

2898
03:32:26,265 --> 03:32:29,905
with a pro or a present road occupied easement over it that would

2899
03:32:30,605 --> 03:32:34,345
be cleaned up as this process, um, continued. So would it be,

2900
03:32:34,795 --> 03:32:38,745
could we assume that the, where the property line is shown where it says bright road,

2901
03:32:38,945 --> 03:32:42,735
that that would basically extend along and that part

2902
03:32:43,135 --> 03:32:47,015
yeah. Yeah. There would be a dedicated okay. Public right of way there. Correct. Yeah.

2903
03:32:47,405 --> 03:32:51,345
so I'm just, again, just to comment that that's looks a little weird right

2904
03:32:51,665 --> 03:32:55,545
now, , but so I understand, I understand how it evolved though. Yeah. So I, but that's

2905
03:32:55,825 --> 03:32:59,005
something that needs to be fixed. Um, the

2906
03:33:00,365 --> 03:33:04,295
access from the roundabout obviously would be the primary access to this site.

2907
03:33:05,365 --> 03:33:09,345
um, and I know this is getting specifics that needs to be worked out, but they

2908
03:33:09,465 --> 03:33:13,345
show a roundabout right after the roundabout, that wouldn't happen probably like

2909
03:33:13,585 --> 03:33:17,215
that. Not with the spacing that's currently shown. Correct. Yeah.

2910
03:33:17,765 --> 03:33:21,745
so again, something to be worked out and then where the

2911
03:33:21,905 --> 03:33:25,705
bridge comes across and intersects with emerald parkway,

2912
03:33:26,235 --> 03:33:29,305
would that be a roundabout at that intersection? That's what we're anticipating

2913
03:33:30,325 --> 03:33:34,225
now. Um, obviously more work needs to be done through that public

2914
03:33:34,585 --> 03:33:38,585
project, but, uh, we are showing a, a roundabout footprint as

2915
03:33:38,845 --> 03:33:42,845
a preferred intersection with emerald parkway, which would lead one to believe that

2916
03:33:42,965 --> 03:33:46,885
that would be another major access into the site. And so that would

2917
03:33:47,205 --> 03:33:51,005
really change the way that a lot of this you would look at, because then you have,

2918
03:33:51,865 --> 03:33:55,785
you come in and then you have to figure out circulation to that roundabout. And

2919
03:33:56,005 --> 03:33:59,725
that would, I think, alter the, the framework that's been established here.

2920
03:34:00,505 --> 03:34:03,905
we would have the applicant perform a traffic impact study for the

2921
03:34:04,725 --> 03:34:08,665
pdp submission as, as we've talked about earlier tonight as well, and determine if

2922
03:34:08,985 --> 03:34:12,965
access would be considered on that public right away.

2923
03:34:13,585 --> 03:34:17,565
um, there's gonna be a lot happening right there , so we would work through that, through the tis.

2924
03:34:18,075 --> 03:34:22,045
yeah, it's, I just thinking about all that would have just a huge impact on this

2925
03:34:22,205 --> 03:34:25,935
plan. Um, thank you. Thanks. Um, sarah,

2926
03:34:27,185 --> 03:34:29,345
um, the riparian corridor, um,

2927
03:34:31,605 --> 03:34:35,475
right now this is, uh, is this a farm field? Is this used for

2928
03:34:35,635 --> 03:34:39,575
crops still? It's vacant, right? It is vacant. Okay. But,

2929
03:34:40,575 --> 03:34:44,515
but it's been agricultural over time and it appears to have been, yes.

2930
03:34:45,155 --> 03:34:49,055
so, so in that process, did the, that rip repairing corridor kind of get filled in

2931
03:34:49,255 --> 03:34:53,175
and kind of, it doesn't, I mean there's no trees there that define it. Right.

2932
03:34:54,025 --> 03:34:56,275
and I'm just trying, is there, is the, does the grading

2933
03:34:58,615 --> 03:35:02,565
imply that that's a drainage area through there, or are I'm trying to establish

2934
03:35:03,155 --> 03:35:06,545
that. I, I think it's great to identify that corridor, but

2935
03:35:07,585 --> 03:35:11,445
it, it's not there right now. We're gonna create it. That's

2936
03:35:11,865 --> 03:35:15,845
right. So it could have some flexibility exactly where it is. It

2937
03:35:16,065 --> 03:35:19,495
could indeed. Right. But we do have, my understanding is that

2938
03:35:20,085 --> 03:35:23,765
the storm water from mount carmel

2939
03:35:24,675 --> 03:35:28,155
comes out just north of that roundabout

2940
03:35:29,525 --> 03:35:33,345
for the main entry, and then it, it kind of

2941
03:35:34,395 --> 03:35:38,385
feeds into that drainage. So it's overland and it's not

2942
03:35:38,515 --> 03:35:41,575
piped. Correct. I was gonna, that was my next question. Correct.

2943
03:35:42,725 --> 03:35:46,565
and if you go to the parcel, just to the west, you can

2944
03:35:46,805 --> 03:35:50,605
see that square of trees and then the

2945
03:35:50,855 --> 03:35:54,745
line of trees that kind of comes up a little bit, kind of wiggles through there. Yeah.

2946
03:35:55,045 --> 03:35:58,745
and that is the drainage that, that keeps sort of coming

2947
03:35:59,125 --> 03:36:02,325
across this whole way and eventually ends up

2948
03:36:03,695 --> 03:36:06,985
down in the scioto river and through the park.

2949
03:36:08,015 --> 03:36:11,915
great. Perfect. Yes. Thank you. Yes. Um, applicant.

2950
03:36:12,985 --> 03:36:15,955
um, so so you've done a test fit

2951
03:36:17,665 --> 03:36:20,415
using a model, uh, for a facility that you've built elsewhere.

2952
03:36:22,845 --> 03:36:26,775
are there other models that you have that have a different configuration that

2953
03:36:27,065 --> 03:36:30,985
might be more amenable to this site and the limitations that it

2954
03:36:31,145 --> 03:36:35,045
has that yeah. Yeah. And good question. And absolutely just, I wanna be a hundred percent clear on that,

2955
03:36:35,195 --> 03:36:38,805
that, um, should this move forward, we would do a specific

2956
03:36:39,285 --> 03:36:43,215
building for this site, uh, approximately same unit count. So the

2957
03:36:43,335 --> 03:36:46,995
reason that that building was used, because is 'cause about the same size, um,

2958
03:36:48,105 --> 03:36:52,015
based on the engineering and all the circumstances that are unique to this site, we would develop

2959
03:36:52,655 --> 03:36:56,555
a concept that that addresses all of the discussion that

2960
03:36:56,675 --> 03:37:00,355
we've had tonight. For sure. So again, I was just trying to establish how much

2961
03:37:01,525 --> 03:37:05,265
as we give you comments, how much flexibility do you have in morphing

2962
03:37:05,825 --> 03:37:09,425
that shape into something that might be different than what you have now? We have a ton of flexibility

2963
03:37:09,925 --> 03:37:13,525
and we can make it whatever, um, the city feels is appropriate. And,

2964
03:37:14,045 --> 03:37:17,945
um, I think the big thing is, is the land use, the continuum of care, the types

2965
03:37:18,145 --> 03:37:22,145
of uses within the building, um, and the approximate unit counts is really what,

2966
03:37:23,005 --> 03:37:26,945
and then at that point we can take that feedback and we can adapt a building to the site that,

2967
03:37:27,215 --> 03:37:30,865
that really sort of is cohesive around the access around the roundabout

2968
03:37:31,325 --> 03:37:35,235
and this riverway and some of the ar uh, the civil items. Great.

2969
03:37:36,165 --> 03:37:40,145
um, and I, and this is not necessarily a question, but have you, have you

2970
03:37:40,465 --> 03:37:44,225
actually like driven up to mount carmel the hospital and

2971
03:37:44,515 --> 03:37:48,465
kind of experience that? Yeah, it's nice. Yeah. So you appreciate the amount of

2972
03:37:49,105 --> 03:37:52,985
design effort it went into establishing that. Yep. Kind of. And, and

2973
03:37:53,245 --> 03:37:57,165
I think that's something that I, you know, that's the character that

2974
03:37:57,325 --> 03:38:01,205
we would want to see extend. I think that's the, anyway. Yep. No, I think that's great. Yeah. And, and

2975
03:38:01,405 --> 03:38:05,275
even the roundabouts, the amount of landscaping, the, the infrastructure that's been put in is exactly

2976
03:38:05,825 --> 03:38:09,455
why we think this site is so great. Um, and we would mimic that throughout

2977
03:38:10,125 --> 03:38:13,845
our development as well. Great. That is all the questions

2978
03:38:14,245 --> 03:38:17,885
I had turning back to the commission. Any additional questions?

2979
03:38:19,035 --> 03:38:22,825
okay. So I'd like to open it up for public comment now

2980
03:38:23,265 --> 03:38:25,845
and thank thank you applicant. Yeah, will come. Thank you. Come back.

2981
03:38:28,245 --> 03:38:32,015
the microphone is on, so you just need to state your name and address. Well,

2982
03:38:32,305 --> 03:38:35,675
thank you mr. Way. And commissioners, it's getting late. I'll be brief.

2983
03:38:36,565 --> 03:38:39,915
I'm randy roth, uh, 6 9 8 7 grande cliffs drive.

2984
03:38:40,965 --> 03:38:44,495
um, I'm vice president of the, uh, east dublin civic association.

2985
03:38:46,015 --> 03:38:49,605
I've been an officer since its founding in 1988. I'm getting old.

2986
03:38:50,605 --> 03:38:54,465
um, and I wanted to set to thank the applicant, uh, for contacting

2987
03:38:55,105 --> 03:38:59,105
our president, amy cram. Amy hasn't had a chance to set up

2988
03:38:59,265 --> 03:39:03,205
a meeting with you, and so we haven't, I can't really speak to, you

2989
03:39:03,425 --> 03:39:07,295
know, what we're going to eventually say about this is a civic association,

2990
03:39:08,565 --> 03:39:12,005
but certainly what we've heard from amy and I have heard so far

2991
03:39:12,845 --> 03:39:16,545
is that people would like to stay close to the community

2992
03:39:17,135 --> 03:39:20,775
plan and that this seems to deviate quite a bit from that plan.

2993
03:39:22,125 --> 03:39:26,015
um, we have never been opposed to height, you know, our association,

2994
03:39:26,875 --> 03:39:30,545
we've supported bright, uh, bridge street. We were even willing

2995
03:39:30,885 --> 03:39:34,805
in the past to go higher than the mount carmel buildings down there, you know, in the

2996
03:39:34,965 --> 03:39:38,695
along, uh, sawmill road. We supported the four story building there

2997
03:39:39,545 --> 03:39:43,545
on the assisted living rehab center, which is north of bright

2998
03:39:43,965 --> 03:39:47,595
road. But notice that that steps down. You approve four stories

2999
03:39:48,235 --> 03:39:52,115
closest to sawmill and then it's already stepping down

3000
03:39:52,465 --> 03:39:56,095
as we get towards emerald parkway. And so we really would

3001
03:39:56,475 --> 03:40:00,245
like to, I I'm sure that my, my neighbors would like to stick

3002
03:40:00,485 --> 03:40:04,265
close to the two stories, um, for the maximum height

3003
03:40:04,705 --> 03:40:08,605
in this area. Um, and the density of this is really twice

3004
03:40:08,955 --> 03:40:12,765
what we had envisioned in terms of, you know, the square footage

3005
03:40:13,385 --> 03:40:17,095
per acre. Um, the other concerns are really about,

3006
03:40:17,705 --> 03:40:21,635
one of 'em is about traffic circulation. Um, I was involved in, when

3007
03:40:21,925 --> 03:40:25,885
we first were thinking about this site as members of the community plant steering committee years

3008
03:40:26,205 --> 03:40:30,165
ago, and we wanted to somehow find a way

3009
03:40:30,465 --> 03:40:34,285
to en ensure that this 18 acres and the 20 acres to the west

3010
03:40:34,775 --> 03:40:38,685
would have internal circulation, right? So that although, and we

3011
03:40:38,845 --> 03:40:42,765
would have one curb cut onto bright road and the

3012
03:40:42,885 --> 03:40:46,675
way this is drawn, that next parcel can't get to that curb

3013
03:40:46,985 --> 03:40:50,705
cut on bright road if you look at how it's done. So there's no way to get

3014
03:40:51,175 --> 03:40:55,025
there. You'd have to do more curb cuts and there's no way

3015
03:40:55,625 --> 03:40:59,515
to do that internal circulation the way this is driven. There's no east

3016
03:40:59,875 --> 03:41:03,425
west connector or stub there that could be

3017
03:41:04,715 --> 03:41:08,375
used to do that. So that's something in terms of a traffic point

3018
03:41:08,725 --> 03:41:12,685
of view, have as much internal circulation as you can possibly have with this

3019
03:41:13,565 --> 03:41:17,525
assisted living medical office business park, which I think would be

3020
03:41:18,025 --> 03:41:21,705
the best way to go. And finally, really, um,

3021
03:41:22,865 --> 03:41:26,725
to preserve what we want to preserve the rural character of bright road.

3022
03:41:27,385 --> 03:41:31,365
and if you look at the northern end of that, you know, it's essentially a street with a

3023
03:41:31,485 --> 03:41:35,025
thin, um, thin screening of trees. Um,

3024
03:41:35,945 --> 03:41:39,785
uh, there's a nice setback along emerald parkway, but really not much to

3025
03:41:40,325 --> 03:41:44,245
preserve the rural character of bright road. And so those are three

3026
03:41:44,485 --> 03:41:48,365
things that come to mind from me and from what I've heard so far from my

3027
03:41:48,765 --> 03:41:52,725
neighbors. But again, we're not really ready yet and we we're willing to talk

3028
03:41:53,155 --> 03:41:56,965
with the applicant about this, uh, and see where we come

3029
03:41:57,165 --> 03:42:00,925
down so I can actually speak for the association. Thanks so much

3030
03:42:01,345 --> 03:42:03,045
mr. Way and commissioners. Thank you.

3031
03:42:05,815 --> 03:42:09,675
anybody else? Okay, 1, 2, 3.

3032
03:42:10,355 --> 03:42:14,175
public comment is closed and we'd now like to go into deliberations.

3033
03:42:15,945 --> 03:42:17,495
sarah, if you'd pull up the questions.

3034
03:42:21,015 --> 03:42:24,805
jamie . He did it last time.

3035
03:42:25,445 --> 03:42:29,305
. Go ahead mr. Chinook. Yeah, I guess, uh,

3036
03:42:29,655 --> 03:42:33,525
again, I think the, the, a lot of the appreciate being here, the, a lot of the

3037
03:42:33,685 --> 03:42:37,685
questions brought up on the site, I think we're still a ways away. Um, in terms of

3038
03:42:37,845 --> 03:42:41,785
site development. I, I guess in terms of the spirit of envision de, and I'm

3039
03:42:42,005 --> 03:42:45,795
not necessarily in favor of this use 'cause it deviates significantly, well,

3040
03:42:46,085 --> 03:42:49,905
it deviates from, from what our, uh, envision dublin

3041
03:42:50,545 --> 03:42:54,445
has intended for this site. Um, but again, if we move forward,

3042
03:42:55,075 --> 03:42:58,105
there's a lot of, as we brought up tonight, a lot of um,

3043
03:42:59,905 --> 03:43:03,565
uh, I guess ancillary items that are gonna affect the, the overall layout

3044
03:43:03,985 --> 03:43:06,965
and the uh, uh, positioning on the site. I know you asked for some

3045
03:43:08,045 --> 03:43:11,925
feedback on the architecture or character. I did want to comment on that. I do think

3046
03:43:12,195 --> 03:43:16,005
that as you, you, you mentioned that you've seen the mount carmel building. It's,

3047
03:43:16,285 --> 03:43:20,165
it's very prominent, very modern. So I would think that we would try to kind of maybe

3048
03:43:20,455 --> 03:43:24,275
blend a little bit of that modernization of what's happening there with

3049
03:43:24,565 --> 03:43:28,565
some of the residential aspects of it too. So some of the stuff that you had

3050
03:43:28,795 --> 03:43:32,525
have showed shared so far, a little more traditional, um, in nature

3051
03:43:33,805 --> 03:43:37,685
residentially. But I, I think there's a nice, it could be a nice blend of that modernization of what's kind of happening

3052
03:43:37,965 --> 03:43:41,245
and the idea of that area. Again, blend with the, the, the residential.

3053
03:43:42,145 --> 03:43:46,045
but generally speaking, I, I do have some concerns that were deviating a little bit

3054
03:43:46,465 --> 03:43:50,165
beyond what the envision dublin has approved for the site.

3055
03:43:51,345 --> 03:43:55,145
ms. Harger, um, I would also agree, I think it does, um,

3056
03:43:55,595 --> 03:43:59,555
deviate us and, um, in the wrong direction of what we're thinking about also,

3057
03:44:00,145 --> 03:44:03,985
um, just the density of it and uh, um,

3058
03:44:04,385 --> 03:44:08,245
the villas probably to me aren't fitting in that area as well

3059
03:44:08,425 --> 03:44:12,425
too. So, um, a couple of the different areas just doesn't, um,

3060
03:44:12,755 --> 03:44:16,415
seem to be working. Um, but you know, like the traffic study

3061
03:44:16,765 --> 03:44:20,685
would be important, um, to make a difference in, in how that all that

3062
03:44:21,025 --> 03:44:24,845
area's gonna go. But, um, the, and for us

3063
03:44:25,145 --> 03:44:28,865
to, you know, we wouldn't know when you would do the medical office

3064
03:44:29,785 --> 03:44:33,705
and it, and then if it didn't work out, then we've got that space. And

3065
03:44:33,925 --> 03:44:37,765
in the past we've all been very concerned about that kind of issue. Thank you.

3066
03:44:39,535 --> 03:44:43,075
thank you mr. Alexander. When I

3067
03:44:43,775 --> 03:44:47,735
see the envision dublin plan, isn't it call for neighborhood office, office

3068
03:44:48,505 --> 03:44:51,515
medical, we supporting uses of institutional and assisted living?

3069
03:44:53,565 --> 03:44:57,525
that's what we have. So it does comply with the plan in, in one

3070
03:44:57,745 --> 03:45:01,495
sense buildings to be one to two stories that, that

3071
03:45:02,125 --> 03:45:05,645
it does not comply. But I do think the proposed use

3072
03:45:06,225 --> 03:45:10,125
complies. Um, so I, I, you

3073
03:45:10,345 --> 03:45:13,715
know, I generally am supportive because I think it is responsive.

3074
03:45:15,225 --> 03:45:18,305
I also don't think it's fair. I know the code changed,

3075
03:45:19,285 --> 03:45:22,825
but we have one standard for beacon and then we impose another standard

3076
03:45:23,365 --> 03:45:26,305
on this applicant. And in fact their density is less than beacons.

3077
03:45:27,485 --> 03:45:31,315
so, I mean, I would be supportive of the density, um, that

3078
03:45:31,605 --> 03:45:35,565
there, I realized the code changed, but, um, I'd be

3079
03:45:35,685 --> 03:45:39,375
supportive of the density, particularly in this location. Um,

3080
03:45:41,355 --> 03:45:45,125
the four story building acts is kind of a landmark. When

3081
03:45:45,415 --> 03:45:49,395
you come, you come down bright road and you have that roundabout there, it

3082
03:45:49,615 --> 03:45:53,405
acts marks that point. I mean, I could, I could be convinced that

3083
03:45:53,695 --> 03:45:57,595
that building could be four stories. I, I think I agree with

3084
03:45:57,755 --> 03:46:01,475
the staff about the natural features. I think the architectural character,

3085
03:46:01,875 --> 03:46:05,275
one of the important things your two images show, you show one with stone

3086
03:46:06,015 --> 03:46:09,875
and one with brick. You're probably not aware how important stone is to this

3087
03:46:10,035 --> 03:46:13,835
community. There were a series of quarries along the river. Anytime you build, there's

3088
03:46:14,155 --> 03:46:17,845
tons of stone, stone walls that you see. So I think your image

3089
03:46:18,505 --> 03:46:22,145
with the stone is, um, begins to respond

3090
03:46:22,895 --> 03:46:26,605
to the character of the community. So

3091
03:46:28,945 --> 03:46:29,655
thank you mr. Dressler.

3092
03:46:35,365 --> 03:46:39,015
you, you can disagree. I, I may

3093
03:46:39,595 --> 03:46:43,555
I I want clarity though. I think you brought up a good point over to

3094
03:46:43,715 --> 03:46:47,675
the city, maybe that on this one. Okay, so we have, this kind of came up in the

3095
03:46:47,755 --> 03:46:50,575
first case today. We had the principal use right in the secondary use.

3096
03:46:53,595 --> 03:46:57,505
well, what controls, if the principle use is the entire or the, if the secondary use

3097
03:46:57,725 --> 03:47:01,335
is the entirety of the land, that would be a principle use.

3098
03:47:01,875 --> 03:47:05,845
am I thinking of that correctly or is the secondary use

3099
03:47:06,655 --> 03:47:10,615
meaning it's something smaller, complimentary. Some, some

3100
03:47:10,905 --> 03:47:14,815
something of, of that nature. It's supporting too, which I think is a right, it's

3101
03:47:15,145 --> 03:47:18,915
a supporting use as opposed to secondary thing. It's a little bit different putting the primary use. Right, right.

3102
03:47:20,645 --> 03:47:23,495
yeah, I I think that that's a fair way of categorizing that. Okay. Distinction.

3103
03:47:26,835 --> 03:47:30,815
so, I mean, I want to,

3104
03:47:31,535 --> 03:47:35,355
I, I do want to address, 'cause I don't think we can get to three, four, and five and six

3105
03:47:35,605 --> 03:47:38,695
even, uh, considering here, based on the, the phrasing,

3106
03:47:39,615 --> 03:47:43,555
I want to be clear because I want to give the applicant direction. I think it's fair at

3107
03:47:43,775 --> 03:47:47,175
this point. There's five of us. I know we're missing two.

3108
03:47:49,785 --> 03:47:53,705
I mean, I'm not in favor of having a, an assisted living facility

3109
03:47:53,845 --> 03:47:57,495
of this magnitude taking up a primary use on this land.

3110
03:47:58,985 --> 03:48:01,125
I kind of wanna throw that out to everybody else. We know where gary stands.

3111
03:48:03,045 --> 03:48:06,285
kim, we haven't heard from you yet. That's fine. Um,

3112
03:48:08,445 --> 03:48:12,355
jamie and kathy, I don't wanna put words in your mouth, but it kind of sounded like that you were

3113
03:48:12,785 --> 03:48:16,515
also not in favor of having the assisted living

3114
03:48:17,035 --> 03:48:20,625
facility as currently proposed, be the primary principal use on this land.

3115
03:48:22,825 --> 03:48:26,735
that fair? Okay. I think, and I'll,

3116
03:48:27,055 --> 03:48:30,855
I'll let you can speak. I'm not taking it away. So just real quick, I,

3117
03:48:31,095 --> 03:48:34,895
I understand. I think the area does need, uh, assisted living

3118
03:48:35,385 --> 03:48:39,335
facilities, this magnitude. I think there's a want for that. I think there's a need for that.

3119
03:48:39,475 --> 03:48:43,185
you've certainly diagnosed that the community would support it. Unfortunately,

3120
03:48:43,985 --> 03:48:47,495
in this location, based on what we previously

3121
03:48:48,015 --> 03:48:51,985
approved, it's like first to market almost. They spent a long time

3122
03:48:53,475 --> 03:48:57,435
the proposal, it's different being on sell mill road and the, the nature of how

3123
03:48:57,655 --> 03:49:01,095
that land, it's, it's just different. This, the exposure on this

3124
03:49:02,635 --> 03:49:06,415
property is so much more visible from

3125
03:49:07,095 --> 03:49:10,795
city access and people coming into the city that based

3126
03:49:11,205 --> 03:49:14,985
on the envision dublin pan and the, those standards

3127
03:49:15,305 --> 03:49:19,055
that we've evaluated and discussed this evening, I'm just not certain that

3128
03:49:19,345 --> 03:49:23,215
it meets that. Now could there be a memory care building

3129
03:49:23,485 --> 03:49:26,635
perhaps, or some component thereof related to,

3130
03:49:28,615 --> 03:49:32,555
you know, one to two story offices that are prescribed in the envision

3131
03:49:32,715 --> 03:49:36,715
dublin plan? Certainly, uh, with reduced density as requested by

3132
03:49:36,875 --> 03:49:40,875
the city and based on some of the civic association comments, I think that would potentially be

3133
03:49:40,995 --> 03:49:44,925
supportive. Um, but I don't

3134
03:49:45,125 --> 03:49:49,065
think we get to 3, 4, 5, and six on this because it does not meet the

3135
03:49:51,105 --> 03:49:53,745
proposed use of the land, uh, based on the envision dublin plan.

3136
03:49:56,085 --> 03:49:59,535
thank you. Can I go now? ? So

3137
03:50:00,635 --> 03:50:03,835
I, I tend to agree with the sympathy here.

3138
03:50:04,815 --> 03:50:08,755
um, you know, emerald parkway was designed to be a major business

3139
03:50:08,915 --> 03:50:12,655
address in the city. And so land on each side of it is highly valued

3140
03:50:13,225 --> 03:50:16,955
land for office, major institutional uses. And so

3141
03:50:17,605 --> 03:50:20,785
again, this site is, because it's on the other side, not the highway side,

3142
03:50:21,975 --> 03:50:25,925
still designated as a, as a office use, um,

3143
03:50:27,025 --> 03:50:30,785
I think has been further reinforced by the fact that a new hospital's

3144
03:50:31,105 --> 03:50:34,765
been built next to it, which makes this a prime site for medical office,

3145
03:50:35,195 --> 03:50:38,925
which would be, again, very consistent with what the city has been always

3146
03:50:39,915 --> 03:50:43,765
projecting for this area, um, as a primary

3147
03:50:44,185 --> 03:50:47,255
use. So I think the, im, the important

3148
03:50:48,805 --> 03:50:52,735
kind of frontage for that type of use is emerald parkway. So I could

3149
03:50:52,895 --> 03:50:55,975
see additional medical office along emerald parkway,

3150
03:50:56,995 --> 03:51:00,555
but the question is, could you integrate something else behind it

3151
03:51:01,285 --> 03:51:05,215
that would be more sympathetic to what you want to do? And that's why I was asking you

3152
03:51:05,375 --> 03:51:09,375
about configuration. So could there be a linear building that that

3153
03:51:09,665 --> 03:51:13,505
faces to the vacant side site to the west and that you had office

3154
03:51:13,775 --> 03:51:17,105
then fronting onto the street and that would then give the character

3155
03:51:18,295 --> 03:51:21,905
that I think the city envisions for emerald parkway with a hundred foot buffer, the landscape

3156
03:51:22,495 --> 03:51:25,795
parking behind all of those things. And then the riparian quarter,

3157
03:51:26,955 --> 03:51:30,955
dividing it. So there's the possibility that something could

3158
03:51:31,155 --> 03:51:35,115
be integrated in here that allows for the assisted living to be

3159
03:51:35,355 --> 03:51:39,295
a supporting use to a medical office, um,

3160
03:51:39,585 --> 03:51:43,515
setting where people are coming from medical care and including pa people

3161
03:51:43,835 --> 03:51:47,795
that are in the assisted living building. So it's a, it's, there's a kind of

3162
03:51:47,875 --> 03:51:51,725
a synergy. And so again, is there something that could happen there?

3163
03:51:52,005 --> 03:51:55,765
I think right now the assisted living is the primary use and I, I agree that that isn't

3164
03:51:56,085 --> 03:51:59,265
the appropriate direction, but could you accomplish something that's

3165
03:52:00,415 --> 03:52:03,495
a balance, more of a balance with a push towards medical office?

3166
03:52:04,635 --> 03:52:08,365
so that would be my, my, um, take

3167
03:52:08,655 --> 03:52:12,615
on. And at the same time, I think the, with

3168
03:52:12,905 --> 03:52:16,425
the bridge, the new bridge coming over and intersecting, then we'll parkway, there's a major gateway

3169
03:52:17,375 --> 03:52:21,145
opportunity, landmark opportunity, something really special

3170
03:52:21,465 --> 03:52:25,285
for the city. And so I don't, I don't wanna lose that opportunity by

3171
03:52:25,505 --> 03:52:29,345
putting something secondary in that location. So those would be my

3172
03:52:29,585 --> 03:52:33,585
comments. I, I wanna add too, to ja 'cause I wanna add jason's comment too. I, I

3173
03:52:33,705 --> 03:52:37,665
do think I do wanna compliment you 'cause I do think the building, the architecture is very nice and you've

3174
03:52:37,825 --> 03:52:41,125
obviously got a really nice facility. I do like the villas, I like the variation in

3175
03:52:42,045 --> 03:52:45,825
living type, but I adjacent, maybe it's just not in this site there, I can see it definitely

3176
03:52:46,425 --> 03:52:50,345
going somewhere else in, in the city that fits a little bit more with what we're

3177
03:52:50,585 --> 03:52:54,465
trying to do. And then part of the vision double, but I don't wanna you to leave here at the fact I, I still wanna

3178
03:52:54,625 --> 03:52:58,175
compliment in a really nice building, nice design and a nice, nice concept here.

3179
03:52:58,695 --> 03:53:01,785
just not on this particular site is where my stand is.

3180
03:53:03,425 --> 03:53:07,325
and jamie, I I also had that, you know, same feeling like is there another

3181
03:53:07,675 --> 03:53:11,165
site, I mean obviously we have a need in this community. There is an aging,

3182
03:53:11,705 --> 03:53:15,355
uh, population and so we have facilities like this distributed

3183
03:53:16,045 --> 03:53:19,565
around the city and instead of two facilities

3184
03:53:20,085 --> 03:53:23,685
right next to each other, is there a place again where we can spread it out, make it more accessible

3185
03:53:24,625 --> 03:53:28,285
to the wider population? So I think, you know, supporting your,

3186
03:53:29,155 --> 03:53:33,005
your initiative to reach out to dublin, but is there a another

3187
03:53:33,435 --> 03:53:36,805
site that accommodate the program that you want to build more appropriately?

3188
03:53:40,935 --> 03:53:42,955
I have a question for you. So

3189
03:53:44,955 --> 03:53:48,665
planning's very different than building and building's

3190
03:53:49,135 --> 03:53:52,905
kind of market driven, very market driven. So if someone develops

3191
03:53:53,465 --> 03:53:56,975
a plan that shows office buildings along there,

3192
03:53:58,135 --> 03:54:02,095
but it takes a lot longer for those to develop because now they have demand

3193
03:54:02,415 --> 03:54:06,005
for what they wanna do right now. So how does that fit in your thinking?

3194
03:54:07,685 --> 03:54:11,385
that's why we have development agreements and deal that deal with phasing and

3195
03:54:11,775 --> 03:54:15,305
what gets built and when and all of that. So I mean that to me is part of

3196
03:54:16,585 --> 03:54:20,585
ensuring that you don't cherry pick and get the best, the

3197
03:54:20,805 --> 03:54:24,435
use you want and everything else never happens. There'd have to be an agreement that,

3198
03:54:25,395 --> 03:54:28,685
that the rest of the development was phased appropriately and come, come online.

3199
03:54:30,155 --> 03:54:33,555
I think there's a market for medical office, but I'm not an expert.

3200
03:54:37,465 --> 03:54:41,235
any other comments from the commission turn to the applicant?

3201
03:54:41,625 --> 03:54:45,355
have you heard what you needed to hear from us? And do you have any, you know,

3202
03:54:45,665 --> 03:54:48,475
have any other questions for us? Uh, no. Very comprehensive.

3203
03:54:50,955 --> 03:54:53,985
okay. Well thank you for coming in and again, uh,

3204
03:54:55,115 --> 03:54:58,155
we'd certainly like to have you in the city. Thank you.

3205
03:55:00,065 --> 03:55:02,995
okay, thank you everyone. We're almost there.

3206
03:55:04,735 --> 03:55:08,605
um, communications, mr. Bot, I, I have a few quick

3207
03:55:08,955 --> 03:55:12,695
items, but the main one that we'd like you to consider tonight is the,

3208
03:55:12,975 --> 03:55:16,695
uh, adoption of the meeting dates for 2026. Uh,

3209
03:55:17,075 --> 03:55:20,235
I believe we provided those, some of you provided comments back to us.

3210
03:55:21,175 --> 03:55:24,675
uh, I think there may be a couple meetings where one of you

3211
03:55:25,615 --> 03:55:28,935
or the other is missing, but we didn't see anything where there was,

3212
03:55:29,895 --> 03:55:33,495
um, a concern about too many people missing. So,

3213
03:55:34,535 --> 03:55:38,455
um, obviously it's a little challenging to set those meeting dates, uh,

3214
03:55:38,675 --> 03:55:42,395
around many other events and meetings. And so ideally

3215
03:55:43,535 --> 03:55:47,075
we would go with what we presented to you, but we're willing to listen.

3216
03:55:49,825 --> 03:55:53,245
two things. One, I think I need to re-look at it.

3217
03:55:54,265 --> 03:55:58,185
two, we have a new member, right, that they got approved on monday.

3218
03:55:59,195 --> 03:56:03,085
that was gonna be one of the other rest the next, I just don't let jump in the .

3219
03:56:04,325 --> 03:56:08,305
I did, did did dan respond with relative to the dates? Do we know? Was

3220
03:56:08,525 --> 03:56:11,235
he one of the ones that responded? I, I believe so. Okay.

3221
03:56:13,565 --> 03:56:17,565
I will take a look and I will respond so we can make sure. 'cause I'm, I'm fairly certain when I initially looked

3222
03:56:17,725 --> 03:56:21,725
at it, I may may have to miss one or two. I think we, you were looking for do we have to vote

3223
03:56:22,145 --> 03:56:25,925
to approve that? We were hoping that we would vote because we are, lemme look at the dates

3224
03:56:26,465 --> 03:56:30,445
behind on jason. Take a look real quick. Up. , have they, have they

3225
03:56:30,565 --> 03:56:34,525
changed? Like I know you put 'em out since, since the initial when you didn't revise 'em based on feedback, right?

3226
03:56:34,685 --> 03:56:38,145
so there's still this based on the feedback we've gotten. So, uh,

3227
03:56:39,865 --> 03:56:43,845
again, there are a couple of you that are gonna be, uh, absent certain

3228
03:56:44,335 --> 03:56:48,135
times, but we haven't changed anything based on just a, the majority

3229
03:56:48,395 --> 03:56:52,295
is still okay to this point. Jason, I just wanted to communicate.

3230
03:56:52,665 --> 03:56:56,525
sorry, I just wanna communicate that I am gone august 20th just

3231
03:56:56,815 --> 03:57:00,765
so I yeah, I, I,

3232
03:57:00,895 --> 03:57:04,875
again, the assumption is that there are gonna be meetings that

3233
03:57:05,235 --> 03:57:08,965
certain commissioners have to miss. I mean, we're trying to get a consensus around

3234
03:57:10,085 --> 03:57:13,205
a meeting schedule so that everybody else can do the planning they need to do.

3235
03:57:18,415 --> 03:57:22,045
lemme look. Okay. Gary's fine. Hang on. Kathy's fine.

3236
03:57:23,025 --> 03:57:26,935
I'm fine. I think by uh, consensus

3237
03:57:27,665 --> 03:57:31,615
we're fine. You need to make a motion. I would like to make a

3238
03:57:31,735 --> 03:57:34,695
motion to approve the meeting schedule for the x

3239
03:57:36,255 --> 03:57:36,935
calendar for 2006.

3240
03:57:41,725 --> 03:57:44,995
there's definitely a couple dates that are, I'm gonna be out for, um,

3241
03:57:45,885 --> 03:57:49,755
just looking at it. Okay, that's fine. So

3242
03:57:49,975 --> 03:57:53,215
I, it usually happens anyway. There's a couple I second motion has been seconded.

3243
03:57:54,105 --> 03:57:57,515
great. Ms. Harder? Yes. Mr. Desler?

3244
03:57:59,215 --> 03:58:03,175
yes. Mr. Alexander? Yes. Mr. Chinook? Yes.

3245
03:58:03,575 --> 03:58:05,075
mr. We yes. Thank you.

3246
03:58:07,585 --> 03:58:11,315
thank you. Um, wanted to also introduce, uh,

3247
03:58:11,925 --> 03:58:15,405
tory brubaker, uh, our new planner with our office started

3248
03:58:16,065 --> 03:58:19,625
maybe a month ago now, or close to it a month. Almost

3249
03:58:20,125 --> 03:58:23,165
a month. So, so you'll be presenting at the next, uh, commission meeting?

3250
03:58:24,995 --> 03:58:28,885
know, not we, we were gonna

3251
03:58:29,045 --> 03:58:33,005
have her handle all three applications tonight, but uh, we thought we'd distribute

3252
03:58:33,365 --> 03:58:37,275
the wealth, so. Oh, welcome. It's a fun, it's

3253
03:58:37,565 --> 03:58:40,565
a fun group. . Um,

3254
03:58:42,265 --> 03:58:46,025
somebody mentioned a new member, hillary damer, uh, who served

3255
03:58:46,485 --> 03:58:50,045
for a long time on the architectural review board is gonna be joining us as

3256
03:58:50,965 --> 03:58:54,865
the newest member of this commission, which for those of us

3257
03:58:55,005 --> 03:58:58,225
who have worked with her, we think this is a great addition to this commission.

3258
03:58:59,445 --> 03:59:03,415
um, lost for the architectural review board. Uh, she was here

3259
03:59:03,965 --> 03:59:07,825
for the first two applications, so she was listening in as well

3260
03:59:08,005 --> 03:59:09,185
and she'd be joining us in january.

3261
03:59:12,795 --> 03:59:14,605
yeah, excellent. Another attorney. Yeah.

3262
03:59:17,575 --> 03:59:21,425
great. Then I, some of you may have gotten, or

3263
03:59:21,685 --> 03:59:25,565
I know you have gotten some emails from, uh, folks in the bridge

3264
03:59:25,765 --> 03:59:29,565
park area about building heights and so forth and just wanted

3265
03:59:29,845 --> 03:59:33,645
to make you aware that the city manager and jenny are gonna be meeting

3266
03:59:34,035 --> 03:59:37,785
with the residents next week to address those questions. So,

3267
03:59:38,665 --> 03:59:42,525
uh, you don't need to respond separately, but we are gonna provide some additional

3268
03:59:43,005 --> 03:59:46,965
information to the commission. Um, bridge park or bridge street

3269
03:59:47,525 --> 03:59:51,365
district is a little bit different in terms of how we measure height and I think that's

3270
03:59:51,605 --> 03:59:55,315
been causing some confusion. So we'll, we'll provide some literature also

3271
03:59:55,625 --> 03:59:59,585
to clarify that. And so, uh,

3272
03:59:59,945 --> 04:00:03,245
that's happening on the 18th is the meeting with the city manager and jenny

3273
04:00:04,065 --> 04:00:07,905
and there's no indication of when that application might come back before us. Not

3274
04:00:08,265 --> 04:00:11,725
yet. We are working with them on several aspects of that application.

3275
04:00:12,425 --> 04:00:16,055
so we've got some time to work through all that stuff. Yeah. Yep. Great.

3276
04:00:17,585 --> 04:00:21,195
and then the last thing I wanted to mention is the public comment process

3277
04:00:21,955 --> 04:00:25,885
because we had, actually, speaking of that application, we had some comments

3278
04:00:25,995 --> 04:00:29,815
that came in last month, literally just before the meeting started.

3279
04:00:30,395 --> 04:00:34,335
and it's, uh, not fair to the public, uh, and not

3280
04:00:34,535 --> 04:00:38,415
fair to you to be able to look at that

3281
04:00:38,765 --> 04:00:42,675
literally before the meeting, uh, get started. So we

3282
04:00:42,895 --> 04:00:46,285
are establishing a new policy and we've started, uh, some

3283
04:00:47,015 --> 04:00:50,605
language on the city's website under the public comment that

3284
04:00:51,265 --> 04:00:55,215
first of all, we accept comments up to 48 hours before the

3285
04:00:55,375 --> 04:00:59,335
meeting so that there is a cutoff and we can get you all of

3286
04:00:59,455 --> 04:01:03,295
that information and time for you to read it and

3287
04:01:03,985 --> 04:01:07,955
that there would be no expectation for those comments to be

3288
04:01:08,265 --> 04:01:12,115
read at the meeting. Uh, if somebody wants to vocalize their

3289
04:01:12,555 --> 04:01:16,555
comments, they would need to be here in person and, and do it

3290
04:01:16,715 --> 04:01:20,465
under sworn testimony. Uh, one glitch that we ran into,

3291
04:01:21,015 --> 04:01:24,995
we, we experiment, experimented with it for this month

3292
04:01:26,055 --> 04:01:30,035
and the public comment button did not go off. And so we

3293
04:01:30,195 --> 04:01:33,945
were still getting those, uh, we are working through that. We, we are hoping that

3294
04:01:34,975 --> 04:01:37,515
2026 will be the official start of that process.

3295
04:01:41,205 --> 04:01:45,135
right. And those came in in a different way. So we are, we are gonna try

3296
04:01:45,355 --> 04:01:48,995
to address that as well. Okay. That's

3297
04:01:49,415 --> 04:01:51,695
it. Great. Thank you. Alright, we are adjourned.