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Can you hear me now?
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stand.

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Anybody

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else want to see a copy of that? Next
one up here now.

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» All right, looks like it's 4:30. Let's
get the public forum started. Thank you

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everybody for attending and we uh kind
of tried to advertise this. I'm hoping

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it to be mostly a listening session for
for us to hear what the public has to

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say just to get this conversation going.
The signin sheet is up here. If you feel

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like signing in, you're welcome to. I
think that might help the auditor keep

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track of how many people were here, who
was here, who's that kind of thing. So,

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if you'd like to sign in, there's a a
sheet up here.

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Also, I want to make a reminder that
another uh two other opportunities for

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having your voice heard would be August
5th, 2026 at the uh cultural center

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between 3 and 6 o'clock there's going to
be a a comprehensive plan meeting.

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That'll be a situation where there'll be
people set up at various tables talking

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about topics that the comprehensive plan
have identified as

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important to the community. So, we're
talking about um recreation,

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infrastructure,

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economic development, the normal things
that people look look for in a community

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whenever they
whenever you plan for the future. So, if

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you'd like to participate in that,
that'll be August 5th. It's at the Tin

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Clark Cultural Center. Uh it's at the
Blackbox Theater. There there are signs.

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Uh should be able to guide you there.
It's going to be an open house type

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thing. I don't expect many people to be
there from 3:00 to 6 o'clock, but if you

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can stop in for 20 minutes and give your
opinion on whatever topics are that are

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most important to you, please do that
and and that'll be part of part of our

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record. The other thing I mentioned
earlier, we have a comprehensive plan

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that we are doing a survey for and it's
duboiscounty comprehensive plan.com. You

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can go there and uh take the survey.
There are some open-ended questions

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there. So, you can if the questions
don't seem like they've met whatever you

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wanted to say, fill it in on the final
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say.
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the main topics tonight are going to be
solar the solar ordinance uh land use

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zoning countywide those kind of issues.
The local media Mr. Stra [snorts] put

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put an article in the paper about these
meetings and we appreciate that. Uh

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there was also I think originally the
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the last time zoning was was talked
about and then he since then updated it

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and I found some some documents as well
that they looked at the same u same same

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kind of issues in 1997 and the
commissioners had passed it. It got to

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the county council and it was voted down
I believe four to three. So it was close

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to being put into place in 1997. Then
three days later or three years later, I

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apologize, they started the process
again and I think it died in 2002. So I

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have a preliminary draft uh zoning
program or plan from 2002, but it died

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and uh I think it's been talked about on
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looks like we're talking about it again.
Maybe this is the time that we are ready

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to implement or maybe it's not. That's
one of the reasons we're here tonight to

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uh if you do come up in front of the the
group to to say your piece. You can let

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us know if if you think that's a good
idea or not.

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I don't know that we necessarily need to
have a timer. It doesn't necessarily

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matter to me if you want to talk for um
two minutes or you want to talk for 15

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minutes, but the rest of the crowd may
uh may be unhappy if you've eaten up all

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the time. So, there's a lot of people
here. There may be a lot of people that

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have something they want to say. So, um
just be respectful of uh your fellow

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people that are in the crowd because
yeah, if you take 20 minutes, that means

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somebody else probably won't get to
talk. So, please uh just be be kind

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about uh about how you do that.
>> Mr. Stephan, anything you want to add?

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» No, sir.
>> Mr. No, sir.

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» So, I thought we would start with just
the solar ordinance and how we can

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improve it or what you think about it. I
think uh that would probably be a good

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first step. And again, I could sit up
here and talk to you about it for as

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long as you want it, but I'm happy to
have you come up and talk. And just for

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the for the stream, it'd probably be
nice if you'd stand up here, please. And

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if you're not able to, uh you can talk
from your seat if that's

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» Yeah, I'm Ray House, citizen on 8715
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» Uh right in the middle of the best in
the center of the best program.

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um not the best best but the BESS
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they were going to shut down my road 500
which they did this week. U you know

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questions I've got that I think the
council needs to understand we're in a

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modern age where you can bore under
roads. Why do we stop or shut a road

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down and tear through it in this day and
age? I mean, uh, the power line going

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from the solar field on the east side of
500 to the west, there's absolutely no

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reason why that couldn't have been bored
and not a shut down for us. So, we have

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four residents that uh, this is
operating against us this week. Uh, and

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then my choice is to go out the airport
road to hit 231, which most of the time

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lately uh, they're dropping off
bulldozers, excavators right in the

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middle of Ding Road. and and and that's
a that's a nuisance for me. I'm a

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longtime teacher in this county u
retired and I kind of enjoy my acreage

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but I hate the sounding noise and the
bulldozers going all day. But I do have

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the response I wish you would check is
why couldn't we have bored underneath

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that road?
Did you check that or do you have any

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idea? [clears throat]
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isn't supposed to be a question and
answer session. But I will answer your

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question, yours, and then just so the
rest of the people know. I don't want it

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to be a back and forth thing. I'd love
to hear your thoughts and if you so I

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think your opinion is you think it
stinks that it was done this way. But I

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will tell you that um at the first at
the main commissioner's meeting that we

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talked about this uh there was a lot of
people there that were unhappy about it

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being shut down. And I can say that the
reason it's taken this long is because

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we tried working with the city of
Honeyburg. tried doing everything we

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could to not shut that road down because
people like yourself

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didn't want it to be. We tried to say,
"Can we pour it? Can we tried doing it

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on the other side of the road?" 100%. We
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» Yeah. Well, I understand.
>> It just didn't work out. We We honestly

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gave it a good shot. We didn't want to
close the road down.

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» Well, I can understand that you can't
just get the other side. You have to go

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underneath or through it. Uh but just
letting you know that that has to be a

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consideration in the future for these
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It's not new to bore underneath the road
and um it does make it tough. So the

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reason I am here today is to speak up.
It's a nuisance for me quite frankly. Uh

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and then the guys that are working on
boring or going through the road are

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always coming by. I couldn't even turn
my little tractor around when I was

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grading my road this week or last Friday
actually. Uh because their traffic's

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still pretty heavy for them just to come
down 500. Uh, and it's not unlikely that

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there's 50 to 80 of their vehicles
traveling that short distance. That's

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only one quarter of a mile from where
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Uh, it's all I've got to say. That is a
nuisance for us residents and should be

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a concern to you all.
On uh the solar ordinance or zoning in

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general,
>> yeah, I wished it didn't happen. I I am

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not as concerned about the solar as I am
the battery innovation center. Look at

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that thing. That's a mess.
It's unbelievable. One thing you've done

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great job. You now have about 50 deer on
my property because they can't get

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through the fences.
That ought to be great for me. They've

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been eating my apples in my orchard left
and right. They don't have corn to eat

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right now or beans.
>> So, yes, it does have an impact. And I

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think it's a lot more than just us as
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Thank you for your time.
>> Thank you.

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» I hope you consider in the future.

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» Hi commissioner.
>> Hello.

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» So I do have concerns of the solar panel
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» Could you say your name please?
>> Cheyenne Temple. Thank you, Sean.

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» Um, so I one of my biggest concerns is
school is about to start in two weeks

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and I drop off my daughter at
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a.m. every morning in Holland and I have
had multiple

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giant violations or not me, sorry. Um,
the semis bringing in the best that

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[clears throat] there were almost two
collisions. They have no escorts. They

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The one had an escort, but they went
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and the semi-truck with the giant Bess
on it, flashed his lights as a um dump

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truck was coming right. I mean, I I was
paying attention and stopped and luckily

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he was, too. So, there's a lot of
violations that I think are happening

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and causing those roadways to be very
dangerous. And I was a high schooler

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driving on that county road to school
that was late. Um and they are stopped

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in the middle of that um
state road

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161 that they're just they're just
stopped. If a kid's not paying

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attention. I mean I'm I'm concerned
about the kids. There's 2,000 kids

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roughly in the 3.4 mile radius of the
[clears throat] crossine alone. Are you

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saying you you're seeing semi dump
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» All of the above.
>> And why would they be stopped on the

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road or what is I mean does it look like
there's any reason why they are? What

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» what what's your opinion on?
>> I don't know what they're doing. It

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seems that they should be if they are
for the the solar fields that they

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should just turn into their in their
way. that they are stopped in the middle

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of the road on those narrow roads um
with no flaggers

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um at their there was one day that there
was end of construction and then there

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was this a dump truck just parked on the
road and no no notice then they wouldn't

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let you through and they had the the
road blocked off

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um and
>> so you're talking about the county roads

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» that was a county road um and then
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trying I was trying to figure out in my
head why any why they would have a

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purpose to stop on
>> that was sorry I am not a good road

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person I should have I should have wrote
that down but the main road that the

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Hummingbird daycare is on um that's
where a lot of the um

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» oh that is 161
>> so 161 I'm seeing the giant semis

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they'll pull over into the other lane to
take their wide turn

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which is understandable if they have to
do that but they should give some sort

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of Hey, we're going to stop you coming
this way and turn. Um, so just school

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buses and kids, high school drivers, the
heavier traffic that's going to be on

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those roads dropping kids like to and
from school and all those plants are I

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call it plants, but the fields are
letting out at those times where the

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school buses are going to be going. So,
um, just new drivers. I know that's

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always a higher accident. Seems like a
higher accident time. Um and I just

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I mean with [clears throat] all these
kids in that radius, is there a safety

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plan for these kiddos if something
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Um that's one of the the biggest
concerns I have. And then I know at the

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your commissioners meeting you guys
maybe talked about developing a board,

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but I think a community energy review
board would be awesome to review these

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issues. um have representative
um I don't know 24 members uh minimum

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each township one incorporated one
unincorporated

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um but let all those little towns you
know have have a voice and have a

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representative

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so please stop any further solar and
best projects

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it's it's it seems like a
The roads are a mess and

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the safety of the children is
let alone the all the land owners and

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but I mean come on there's kids you're
putting them right in the middle of all

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of that.

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» Thank you.
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Hi,
my name is JC Lamb. I'm from Honeyburg.

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I have a short statement to read.
In Dubois County, a dangerous regulatory

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gap allows utility scale battery energy
storage systems, vests,

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to be cited in the 100-year flood plane
with no single agency claiming full

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oversight.
The Indiana [clears throat] Department

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of Homeland Security requires equipment
to be elevated to feet above the

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100-year flood or flood level, but only
for systems subject to its approval

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under Indiana Code 22148.
and it explicitly does not regulate land

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use or comprehensive flood plane
permitting.

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The Department of Natural Resources
issues floodway permits and the

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Department of Environmental Management
handles storm water and wetland reviews.

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Yet neither search jurisdiction over the
full 100-year flood plane area itself.

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Our local authority would typically then
revert to the SWCD

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soil and water conservation district.
Unfortunately, for whatever reason it

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may be, RSWCD
does not participate with IDM

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and this further dissolves any real form
of regulation our county would have

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because Duboce County has no zoning
authority whatsoever and there is no

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local body to impose sight specific
restrictions or conduct the holistic

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review that floodprone development
demands. There is no line of defense.

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IDEM accepts the SWP3 that the developer
provides whether our county or our

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community agree with it or not.
This is not a minor administrative

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detail. It is a failure to rip
government that leaves residents exposed

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to catastrophic risks. [clears throat]
Lithium ion batteries and thermal

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runaway release toxic gases and
flammable electrolytes.

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If flood waters reach them, those
contaminants can spread into soil,

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groundwater, and nearby waterways. While
emergency responders face inaccessible

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sites and reignition hazards that
standard firefighting cannot safely

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address,
state and local officials must make

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closing this gap an immediate priority
through legislative or administrative

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action that assigns clear jurisdiction,
mandates full environmental and safety

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reviews, and prohibits or severely
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until those protections are in place.
The technology is advancing rapidly.

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Duboce County as well as the whole state
of Indiana cannot afford to let

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regulatory lag create the conditions for
the first major best related incident in

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the state due to an overlooked
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A community energy review board would
directly protect residents health

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health, safety, and well-being by giving
the people who live here a formal voice

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in decisions that affect their air,
water, emergency access, safety, health,

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well-being, and property values.
Unlike a land use committee appointed by

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officials or dominated by industry
voices, this board would be made up of

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the very residents in unincorporated
areas who bear the consequences.

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people's whose homes and families sit
downstream or downwind from these

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projects. It would consist of the 12
townships, each sending two residents,

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one from its unincorporated parts and
one from an incorporated town inside its

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borders. Creating a 12 to 12 balance
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dominating.
This ensures the board required requires

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developers to present full safety data,
flood risk assessments, and emergency

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plans and public hearings before any
approval which closes the gap where no

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agency currently claims jurisdiction.
Thank you.

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» Excuse me, ma'am.
Something

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you want to take you want to take your
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talk.
>> Yeah, sure.

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Yeah.
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» I would like to know why a resident of
Duboce County is allowed to speak when

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he is a corporate. He's with um the Duff
Solar. He should not have a word. This

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is a Duboce County residential tax.
We're taxpayers. He should not be able

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to speak at this forum.

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Are you
>> from D County?

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» Didn't you say you wanted to hear from
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» We [clears throat] were in the meeting.
>> I was just going to maybe help with

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something. Uh I you mentioned
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» Will you please come up?
>> Yeah, sure. Brent.

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» Yeah. I was just going to mention
something. We We're not What's your

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name?
>> What's your name?

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» My name is Tom.
>> Outburst again. I'm gonna ask you to

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leave.
>> Yeah. My name is

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» Tom Lurko. I'm with EDP Renewables. We
don't develop vests here. Uh we're

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developing the solar site uh over near
Duff west of uh Huntingburg. Uh but just

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to answer your question about the the
>> I didn't have a question.

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» Your your assertion that there was a
regulatory lag.

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» Um sure. And I just wanted to say that
because I was part of the hearings last

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year. The Senate actually acted upon
this and they put in Senate Bill Indiana

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code now 22148-8
and it requires best to be located no

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less than or well it can be no less than
one half mile unless it is uh from a

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100red-year flood plane unless it is two
year two feet above that flood

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elevation. So I just it's like 30 yards
within the 100redyear flood plane and it

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is not elevated two feet. I've already
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» Okay, sure. I just wanted to let you
know about that.

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» Yeah, I do know about it. That's the
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» Fantastic. Just just to let you know.
>> Okay. Someone else.

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[laughter]
>> So, John Cenberger, Town of Holland. Uh

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I've talked to the the county
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zoning and using a uh excuse me, I'm
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should have my hat off to you guys. Um,
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I spent a lot of time today
scratching my head and coming up with

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some ideas and uh I'm not going to talk
about them all. I'll be more than happy

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to retype them and submit them to an
email to you all so you can see. But the

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gist of it all is, you know, I've talked
about common sense zoning. And I think

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it's time for this county to use common
sense zoning. And when I talk about

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that, I'm not telling that we're not
telling the the residents of Duboce

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County they can't build something on the
property. We're want we want to see this

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directed towards these industries that
are coming in and being more um

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[sighs and gasps] and being more
proactive to keep these industries in

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check. And that's what we have a problem
with right now is keeping this industry

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in check. The crossfine,

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they are out of control. Absolutely out
of control. These bests that are coming

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up on 161 on these heavy haulers. No
escorts

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at all. If they are getting ready to
turn on to 800, they swing out. Like one

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of the individuals just said, they do
swing out. I' I've witnessed this

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myself. They swing out into the oncoming
traffic and then pull on to 800 if they

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can make it. We've already had one that
couldn't make it and he locked them up,

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locked the brakes up and traveled past
the 800. Decided that he wanted to back

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up on 161. That wasn't a great idea, he
thought. So, he went up to the next

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intersection where uh Old State Road 64
and 161 and did a U-turn there. So, we

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we tal we talked to the the uh state
police about that and that's called an

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infraction. But right there, that's
public safety. And you've heard me talk

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about public safety till I'm blue in the
face and keep shaking my head that that

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this company is not doing the right
thing. They're down. They're offloading

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these heavy skid series on reverse side
of 161 or excuse me 64 with no flaggers,

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no cones. People travel over there. Even
though you guys did reduce that that

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speed limit, that's just to me it's just
like the stop signs in Holland. just a

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suggestion because you I've seen people
that even though I set my crews at 35

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miles an hour, I've seen them blow past
me. So, we need to get this these

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companies in check. And I think the only
way we can do this is by some type of um

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special use zoning, a common sense
zoning or something like that where we

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are required, they are required to come
to us, give us their information. we as

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a community in public hearings look at
this and just not participating uh

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individuals, land owners and things like
that. We should have a say in the

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safeguard of our our communities. Um

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the one thing that really I've hear a
lot about is from the nonparticipating

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uh land owners that they have that they
have the the solar fields uh within you

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know what's that 200 250 yards from
their property lines. Okay. And and I

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think it needs to be more sorry feet.
Uh, I think that needs to be more

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because if they're not participating in
this, why are they being forced to look

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at it outside of their house? We already
have one house on Maple Grove Road that

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is right next to one of the fields for
Crossfine that's up for sale. Will he

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sell that his property? Most not like
likely not because they're still

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pounding tickets in even though he said
two weeks to have this completed.

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They're still pounding in. So, um, I
would like to see and and I know this is

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probably more farfetched than and then
most of the solar people would like to

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talk about, but for nonparticipating
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And I would like to say 1500 ft from uh
the nonparticipate participating

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residents instead of what they have. Um,
when it comes to a best area, it I

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automatically think it should be within
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Period.
My thoughts on that is if you're going

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to put a best, it needs to be on brown
ground, old coal mines, or at power

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plants, period. They don't need to be in
the country when we have people's houses

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within a half a mile. And if you don't
believe we do, I know six houses that

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are within a mile of it. I know three
houses that are less than half a mile of

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it. And then Ry's house is just just
stone throw. So for these companies to

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stand up here and say that there's
nothing out there, we don't have to

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worry about it is horse dump.
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everything from schools, daycarees,
churches, uh nursing homes, hospitals,

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anything that is going to is there to
help people or uh to educate people. Um

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and we do not need to have a best a
standing alone best in this county. they

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need to be on uh at the power plants
where they have it at. Things that we

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need to look at as far as zoning, you
got to look at this the solar solar best

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best wind um AI
um data [clears throat] centers and now

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the ugly little monster that's poking
his head up is the hydrogen plants now

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that they're starting to talk about.
That's another thing that's coming in

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into the uh to the realm. But again, I'm
gonna go ahead and finish up, but I will

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type this up, these uh three or four
pages that I have here, and uh I will

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send them to you guys through an email.
Um also, I have uh came up with a little

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bit more um kind of like the special use
conditions um will kind of flow into

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with this. But as far as a land use
committee, I honestly think that we need

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to be pretty pretty hot on that. And we
need to make sure that we have uh

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nonparticipating and participating folks
there, farmers, non-farmers,

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um at least with the commissioner,
commissioners, county council, uh your

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the lawyers, uh schoolboard meetings,
all the fire, you know, fire chiefs, uh

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airport manager. That's one thing that
really tightens my lower jaw being a

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pilot is to know that I'm going to be
taking off a 27 and there's solar right

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there. If I have a hiccup in my engine,
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my number one priority is to fly the
aircraft. But if they put something

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that's left within a half mile of me and
I cannot maneuver that aircraft, I'm

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going to go into that.
That's really a that's that's that's

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really dumb. Absolutely dumb that they
allowed that. And uh but again, thank

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you for your time, guys.

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» Hi, my name is Charlotte Conland and I'm
against any further salt development and

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especially to battery energy storage
systems in our community.

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» Did you say Cheryl?
>> Charlotte. Charlotte. Sorry.

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» Thank you. That's okay.
>> No, you're okay.

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Uh I was born and raised in Holland and
I have lived in Jasper for the past four

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years with my husband. Me and my husband
both attended um Southridge ele

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school uh Southridge Middle School and
Southridge High School uh for the last

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four years. I have also worked at my
family's third generation company in

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Holland, making the commute every day.
Because of that commute, I travel Duff

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Road 600 Southwest and Old State Road 64
regularly. Over the past several months,

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I have been incred increasingly
concerned about the safety of these

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roads. Sorry.
I have witnessed company trucks and

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other work vehicles traveling at
excessive speeds, pulling out from work

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sites without checking for oncoming
traffic, making sudden stops and turns,

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and creating hazardous driving
conditions. The situation has become so

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concerning that now I avoid these roads
whenever possible because I no longer

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feel safe driving them. With school
starting soon, these concerns become

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even more significant. School buses,
student drivers, and families will all

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be traveling on these same roads during
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Increased industrial traffic combined
with the everyday commuters creates

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uncert unnecessarily safety risk for our
people and our community. And I'm also

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deeply concerned that while many
important questions remain unanswered,

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more than 30 battery units are already
on site in the Holland in Holland.

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Battery energy storage energy storage
systems present serious fire and safety

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concerns and residents deserve clear,
transparent, transparent information

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about the risk, emergencies, response
plans, evacuation pre procedures, and

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the potential impact on nearby homes,
schools, and first responders before any

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project should have moved forward. Our
community should not be expected to

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accept additional risk without
confidence that every safety concern has

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been fully addressed.
the projects that haven't been approved

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and constructed.
>> Three months. [laughter]

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» Sorry. Um [laughter]

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» you'd like to sit down? You can come
back up in a little bit.

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» No, I'm good. I got to get it out.
>> Okay. [laughter]

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The projects that have been approved and
constructed, the impacts on our roads,

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our landscaping, and our community will
not be easily undone. What's done is

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done. But I would respectfully ask our
elected officials to put the health and

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safety of Duboce County residents first
until all safety concerns have been

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thoroughly addressed and the public have
received complete transparent answers. I

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urge you to reject any expansion of
solar projects and to stop the approval

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of battery energy storage systems in our
community. And I encourage you to use

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the community energy review board. Thank
you here for hearing me out.

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» Thank you.

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[cough]
[clears throat]

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» You guys mind if I sit down?

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» [laughter]
>> uh Dave Duncan and once again I didn't

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plan on talking but I will. So u I'm
looking at and I've looked at this

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before I never had a chance to talk
about it but I'm looking at 8-1-42 which

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is the solar state solar ordinance that
Dubo County adopted for the county.

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[clears throat and snorts] So I want to
look uh direct you to 8142-6 which is

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permitted permit authority. I'm just
going to read it real quick. Uh

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[clears throat]
as used in this chapter, permit

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authority means a unit or a board,
commission or other governing body of a

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unit that makes legislative or
administrative decisions

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[clears throat and cough]
concerning the permitting, construction,

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installation, signing, modification,
operation or decommission of CSSE system

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in the unit. The term does not include
the state or any of its agencies,

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departments, boards, commissions,
authorities or instrumentalities or the

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court or judicial body. So that
basically means the county is the

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permitting authority. If we go over to
uh 8-1-429

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permit authority responsible for
enforcing compliance with standards

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authority to adopt less restrictive
standards or to wave or make less

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restrictive existing standards units
planning and zoning power is not

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affected. Okay. So it's basically what
this says is permit authority for a unit

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described in section A which is the
local uh county of this chapter is

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responsible for enforcing compliance
with any standard set forth in section

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10 through 20 of this chapter that apply
in the unit under section A of this 1A

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of this chapter. The unit may adopt and
enforce commercial solar regulation that

415
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:13,359
include standards that A concerning the
permitting, construction, demilation,

416
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:19,040
sighting, modification operating for
decommission of CSA systems in unit and

417
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:23,919
B are less restrictive than the standard
set forth in this chapter. And two, wave

418
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:29,599
or make less restrictive or any standard
set forth in this chapter. So this

419
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:34,480
document gives the local authorities.
I'm not paying you guys a card block. I

420
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:40,399
could just ignore the standards and wave
them. So my point is there shouldn't be

421
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:44,879
no waiverss in any kind of zoning. Okay?
And there's other counties in Indiana

422
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:48,960
that have zoning and I would suggest
that you look at them and use them as a

423
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:52,480
template. I'm not going to mention
counties because there's so many out

424
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:56,159
there. I know we're only one or six.
Maybe maybe they're north. of of

425
00:34:54,879 --> 00:35:00,640
counties in Indiana have don't have
zoning on solar BSS or any of the other

426
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:05,839
things that have been mentioned here. Uh
and I know uh the one of the key factors

427
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:09,920
here is property rights, right? People
want to do what they want to do with

428
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:15,200
their land. My rights stop when I have
interfere with your rights. My rights

429
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:20,480
stop when I interfere with the land use
your of your property and your

430
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:24,880
livelihood, your enjoyment, your safety.
That's when my rights stop. that those

431
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:30,160
rights are true no matter what. So I
just want to say thank you. So I will

432
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,640
because I was going to bring this up if
I was assuming people were going to talk

433
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:38,000
but if they weren't I was going to bring
that up too. So to kind of your point

434
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:42,400
there 8-142-9.
>> Yeah.

435
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:48,240
» So prior to us implementing this they
could have put the uh solar panels on

436
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:51,200
the property line. They could have you
could according to this you could still

437
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,800
wave that. This is what's in effect
right now. We we could wave that.

438
00:35:52,720 --> 00:36:00,320
» Right. Right. Right. So before we had no
zoning at all, correct? We had no

439
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:03,520
zoning. Our options at this time were
>> we could either implement zoning. Right.

440
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:07,200
So that's what we're looking at now. But
at this time it was either leave leave

441
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:11,200
it where we have no zoning or they could
put panels,

442
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:15,760
you know, they'd have to go by whatever
uh there would be no local hold back. So

443
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:19,200
our thoughts at the time or I'll speak
for myself, I won't speak to the other

444
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:22,320
commissioners were this was better than
nothing. And I'm not saying at that time

445
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,040
it wasn't.
>> So, so I think what happened was we had

446
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:29,599
no zoning. They gave us an opportunity
to put in some mild zoning here. So, we

447
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,599
put it in,
>> right? And I think I agree with you and

448
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:40,640
most of the people in the room probably
that we can do better than this. You

449
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:43,359
know, 100 250 ft from a property line
probably isn't enough.

450
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:47,119
» And Marshall, I'm I said I wasn't going
to say this, but Marshall County is 1320

451
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:51,440
ft. I know that one of the commissioners
said that won't stand up in court. their

452
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:54,240
zoning for uh solar's been since 2024
and it's still in

453
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,920
» right so they have zoning so I think we
could be even more restrictive but

454
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,440
unfortunately what this says and as you
read it

455
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:05,520
» we could either put this into place
>> or we can make it even worse

456
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:09,040
» right for the people that are here we
can do nothing and make a

457
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:12,240
» so I think this was our best option we
felt or I felt at the time and now I

458
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:15,599
would say that our our best
>> well would you say I agree with you

459
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,359
would you say that at that time you
didn't know as much about the ESS and

460
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,720
solar I You learn a lot, right?
>> I would think nobody in the community

461
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,839
knew as much as they do now.
>> So when you know for me when we know

462
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,079
more,
>> we'll do things differently.

463
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,560
» Okay, that's great.
>> Absolutely.

464
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,960
» All right.
>> Thank you for your

465
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,760
» Don't mean to be taking it up, but if
there you have something to say, please,

466
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:48,800
please do.
>> Hi guys.

467
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,040
» Thank you for having us today. Um,
sorry. Do you

468
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:55,280
» No. Is Sandy, is everything still
running as far as you know?

469
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:58,960
» I just want to make sure because I'm
sure there's plenty of people at home

470
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,391
that want to want to listen in. So,
please go ahead.

471
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:05,920
» Nobody's texted to say it's not.
[laughter]

472
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:10,400
» Um, thank you guys for doing this. Um, I
I know that these projects and projects

473
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:14,160
like it have taken a lot of your time.
Um, I hope that I hope that the

474
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:18,880
companies that are coming in privately
to do this are paying for that, too. not

475
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:22,480
the taxpayer, but um sincerely thank
you. I think that I'll be honest though,

476
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:26,480
I think if we would have had these
before um [music]

477
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,760
permits and agreements were signed for
these projects, we probably wouldn't be

478
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:33,119
here. If you had a public meeting before
them, um like you said, Chad, though, we

479
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:38,560
all have learned a lot, right? I know I
have. Um,

480
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:44,079
we have the the DEV project that's
that's currently under construction,

481
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:48,640
phase one. Um, that that's working its
way to completion to to come online. Um,

482
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:52,960
the CrossFime project between Holland
and Huntingburg. Um, piles are being

483
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:57,280
driven, battery batteries are being
moved in right now. Um, and then I know

484
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:03,200
I know I've showed it to most of you.
There's there's a advertisement for um a

485
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:08,720
solar invest project in the Ireland area
on the brown fields and surrounding. Um

486
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:14,560
so so three projects for our county
covering up a a pretty significant

487
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:19,680
amount of land signed up. Um isn't that
enough?

488
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:22,880
Um why do we need more?
I don't know. Maybe that is a goal of

489
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:27,440
the county. Um I don't know if that's an
econ economic development goal. I don't

490
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:32,000
know if that's uh the direction that the
county wants to go into. Um but but

491
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:36,800
honestly, I would love to know and
understand why. Why do we need more of

492
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,839
this stuff? Um again, if that's the
goal, I'd love to know and I think the

493
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,680
public would like to know where we're
we're going and why, which I think is

494
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:49,520
why you're doing the comprehensive plan.
But um again, that might make might help

495
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:53,760
to get everybody on the same page.
Um, I I hear a lot of folks sharing

496
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:57,119
their grievances, what they're seeing,
what they're experiencing. And I'll be

497
00:39:56,079 --> 00:40:01,359
honest, I think they're doing it because
you're the permitting authority. Um, you

498
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:05,359
guys, and I'm not picking on you guys as
people, let's be very clear. Um, I'm

499
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:09,760
putting your commissioner hats on you.
Um, but you guys are the permitting

500
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:15,920
authority. The construction permit was
signed by you guys for these projects

501
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:19,920
for the best, for the solar. Um
and and I think that folks just want to

502
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:24,880
ensure that safety risk, financial risk,
all of that was done for this and it's

503
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:30,079
done in the future. Um
uh when it comes to zoning, um I I I'll

504
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:34,800
be honest, I'm not an expert on it, but
it kind of seems like a distraction. The

505
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:37,760
county has ordinances. Um they enacted
multiple ordinances last night at the

506
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,440
county council. You guys have signed a
ton of ordinances. You have an existing

507
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:46,960
solar ordinance.
um why why can't we make more? Why can't

508
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:50,240
the like you said the solar uh more or
the solar ordinance may not be right may

509
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:55,920
not be the right fit for the county
right now. Let's strengthen it. Um I've

510
00:40:53,599 --> 00:41:02,720
heard that EDP wanted you guys to pass a
best ordinance. Um let's do it. Data

511
00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:06,000
centers. Um all of it. Let's let's get
ahead of it. Pass ordinances. You don't

512
00:41:04,319 --> 00:41:10,160
need zoning to pass ordinances. The
council doesn't need uh zoning to pass

513
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:14,000
ordinances.
Um, if the solar setback or the solar

514
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:19,760
solar ordinance is something that you
guys are looking to to change to

515
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:22,720
strengthen for the community, um, like
like other folks have said, let's

516
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:28,000
increase some setbacks, some common
sense. So, we are respecting neighbors.

517
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,720
Um, we are respecting the county
decommissioning plans.

518
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:35,760
» I think I just want to say I think I
share your goals of doing that, but I I

519
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:39,760
my understanding of those walls would be
if we have no zoning, this is as strong

520
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:44,400
as it gets.
for for this. So, I think we would have

521
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:47,680
to put in zoning to to increase those.
>> If you could send me some legal

522
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:50,720
documentation on it, since I'm not being
sarcastic, like if you could sincerely

523
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,160
send me some legal documentation on
that, I would love to read it just

524
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:59,520
because so many other counties zoned and
unzoned still do have solar ordinances.

525
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,680
» I mean, we have a solar ordinance. So,
yeah.

526
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:04,800
» Right. But have but have increased
increased off of the the general

527
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,680
adopted.
>> See, I'm not aware of any of that wood.

528
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,200
Doesn't have it any stronger. Like I
said, please send it my way because I'd

529
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:17,440
love I'd love to to read it and
understand more. Um, but decommissioning

530
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:23,200
plans funded at day one. I know the
CrossFime project decommissioning plan

531
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:27,599
isn't funded until year 10. Um, after so
10 years after the project is turned on.

532
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:31,359
Um, when ground breaks, that
decommissioning plan needs to be

533
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:36,400
decommissioning fund should be funded.
Um, I don't know what what EDP what

534
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:38,160
Duffs is. I'll be honest. Um, what is
the

535
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,800
» last thing? You don't know.
>> I don't know what the Duff

536
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:46,240
decommissioning plan looks like at the
EDP site. Um, I don't know. Can you When

537
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,640
is the decommissioning fund funded?
>> It's a public document. Um,

538
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:51,520
» yeah,
>> that I just haven't looked at. Can you

539
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:56,400
quote on what it when it is fully
funded?

540
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:59,520
» Um, when it's So, it's it's in effect as
of now.

541
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:03,359
» Okay. And it's fully funded everything.
>> Yeah. So, um, I can I can give you the

542
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,160
whole document.
>> That'd be great. Yeah, it's a public

543
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:08,160
document.
>> Perfect. I just haven't done I haven't

544
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:11,359
looked over.
>> Yeah, no problem.

545
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:15,359
» I'll eat my words.
>> Great.

546
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:20,079
» Um, max number of AC acres that the
county wants to have in this stuff,

547
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:23,880
solar data center, etc.
>> Will you please not

548
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,480
have some respect for the lady speaking?
>> Sorry.

549
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:34,720
» Um, mandatory rules with public
hearings. You know, again, I know you

550
00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:38,480
guys have commissioners meetings. Um, it
is very hard for people to attend those

551
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:42,240
during the day without taking off work.
Um, but [clears throat] having a public

552
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:45,599
hearing like today, I think you'll have
a lot more participation and and

553
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:49,440
feedback.
Um, fully represented community. I know

554
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,400
a lot of folks have said that get a
nonparticipating owner participating

555
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:55,599
owner, right? If we're debating this
pair of glasses, hear both sides and

556
00:43:54,079 --> 00:44:00,960
then take it to a public hearing on on
what the community wants. and then full

557
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:05,839
financial review of cost and benefit. Um
I was at the county council last night

558
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:12,560
and asking a lot of questions on what we
we truly expect to receive in revenue

559
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:15,119
and cost to incur for projects and um I
know they tried to answer the best that

560
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,079
they could but they had a lot of
unknowns as well. I don't mean to be

561
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:23,200
speaking for them. That was my my
takeaway my opinion. Um, so yeah,

562
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:27,359
ordinances, ordinances, ordinances where
we can and if we can't, moratoriums

563
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:32,240
until we can get some some good
understanding and like I said, I have a

564
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:36,160
gap with ordinances. So maybe with all
of the legislation, so if there is

565
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:42,880
legislation, please send it my way so I
can be more informed. Um, but if if the

566
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:46,240
the legal structure doesn't allow us to
have ordinances, then yeah, I think

567
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:51,440
zoning, common sense zoning is the
direction to go. Um, one more note I

568
00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:56,880
want to make on the closure that was
brought up and the um the closure that's

569
00:44:53,760 --> 00:45:00,160
happening right now. Um, I appreciate
what what you said that you guys pushed

570
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:04,880
it tried to get the the city of
Huntingburg to allow them to have it all

571
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:08,640
done on their property, but I think an
important thing to note is it's a

572
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:14,240
private company and you guys still
allowed it. Um, you still allowed the

573
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:18,160
closure. You could have said no. Um,
>> so I think that's it. I heard you say

574
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:22,400
that we could come back if we have more
thoughts. I want to

575
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,240
» as long as long as you're not taking
somebody else's time.

576
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:28,280
» Thank you all.
>> I want everybody to have a chance.

577
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:35,880
» We have to get to school.
>> There's two more seats.

578
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:49,200
And one other thing before you start off
>> I think too I think in one hand

579
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:55,599
comments were right. We can make
ordinances about all kinds of things and

580
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:59,839
they're they're not from the legal
advice that I get sometimes they're not

581
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:04,000
enforceable. Right. we can we can put it
in. Um but uh

582
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:08,640
» what we want to do is we want to make
sure if we put an ordinance into place

583
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:12,480
that it actually has teeth and so that's
what that's another thing that we we

584
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:16,319
look for because no need to put it in
and then for example like you said if we

585
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:20,319
if we put it in that it has to be 10
miles away from any residents we could

586
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:23,680
likely be sued on something like that.
So we want to make it that u that we're

587
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:28,720
protected we don't get involved in
lawsuits unnecessarily. And am I

588
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:34,880
understanding correctly, I'm not our
county attorney, but if we do too many

589
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:41,680
ordinances, we push the envelope too
close to zoning and then the state can

590
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:46,560
come um essentially force us into
zoning. We can't do zoning without doing

591
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:51,200
zoning. So, we can't just use ordinances
to,

592
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:56,079
you know, avoid zoning. And yeah, we I
mean we have very we have a few things

593
00:46:52,640 --> 00:47:01,440
in place, but we again we've been told
by our attorney if you if you put if you

594
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:06,240
put anything else online then it's uh
then we're not we're skirting the law.

595
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:09,040
So, but again that that's okay because
that gives us the opportunity. We want

596
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:12,880
to put zoning into place and we can put
zoning into place. I mean, that's

597
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:16,000
» that's the next that's the next step.
And that's one of the things that not

598
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:21,599
everybody that's coming up is [laughter]
explicitly saying it, but um if you if

599
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:25,599
you're in favor of that or what degree
you're in favor of it, please uh please

600
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:30,480
tell us. So, please go ahead. I'm sorry.
>> I I think we're already telling land

601
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:34,720
owners what to do with their land by
ordinances and by different things that

602
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:44,160
are in there. So, I think we're already
in zoning. Not to the extent of having a

603
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:48,720
um big zoning or a but we're already
doing it. We're already going to get

604
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:53,920
there as more as the city of Jasper
takes more land and zones it in. We're

605
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:59,440
already there. So, we just as well do it
so that we can get in front of all of

606
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:02,560
this other stuff instead of coming in
behind the fact. I don't know if you

607
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,240
said who you were either.
>> Barb,

608
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:07,599
» thank you.
>> So, I know there's somebody from EDP

609
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:12,513
here. Is there someone from CrossFine
here?

610
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:16,079
» They don't have to.
[clears throat]

611
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:20,000
» Okay. I just wondered. So, and I kind of
did a different take. I know a lot of

612
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:26,480
people are coming up and saying what um
Crossfine and EDP maybe are doing that

613
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:31,280
they don't like. Um but I thought this
was more on what do we want in an

614
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:34,480
ordinance. Uh, so that's kind of where I
went. I mean, I think every what

615
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:39,280
everybody said is true and everybody
thinks the same thing. We don't like it.

616
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:45,040
Nobody likes it. There's health hazards,
there's um fire risk, there's all of

617
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:50,880
that. You know, nobody wants it. So, but
for me, uh I know the last time I had

618
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:57,920
sent you guys a Davies County ordinance
and it was 2500 ft uh set back and you

619
00:48:55,359 --> 00:49:02,240
said that that was too much and that
Davies County is probably going to get

620
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:09,920
sued or pushed back on that which they
haven't yet. So mine is 1500s feet from

621
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:15,920
neighboring property lines and an
additional 500 ft set back from

622
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:20,800
neighboring subdivision properties
uh due to the number of residents that

623
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:26,880
could potentially be in that area in the
time frame of the

624
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:32,880
um solar fields because the solar fields
are what 35 years plus two 10year

625
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:39,200
additions.
So, it would end up for a subdivision to

626
00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:44,400
be 2,000.
You know, there's pictures of the high

627
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:48,880
voltage fence on the fence. So, if
that's 250 the f I don't know if it's

628
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:53,599
the solar
um

629
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:57,760
the actual solar panel that's 250 ft
from a residence or if it's the fence.

630
00:49:55,839 --> 00:50:02,319
» Solar panel.
>> Solar panel. So the fence then

631
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:05,839
» I think what what the law was if I read
it right it was 50 feet from the

632
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,880
property line. It has to be at least 250
ft from

633
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:14,240
» So then we have these high voltage
fences 50 ft from a subdivision

634
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:19,760
or from a house
>> from a propert

635
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:23,839
» the fence is 50 solar panels 100
>> fence is not

636
00:50:22,859 --> 00:50:28,160
[laughter]
>> and then my next thing is barriers I

637
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:32,640
mean some they don't have to do barriers
right now but barriers of line trees and

638
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:38,240
solid fences should be mandatory for
neighboring property lines. to lessen

639
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:43,920
the danger of the high voltage areas and
for solar panels and battery parks and

640
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:49,599
maybe reduce if we do have hail and we
do have wind that get them loose. Due

641
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:54,640
the risk of fires and damage, panel
should be a minimum of 1500 ft set back

642
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:59,839
from LP tanks on neighboring properties.
Commercial solar energy facility shall

643
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:06,319
not use any rightway. I know we've had
that discussion

644
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:12,079
and talking about the road closed
solar um the current solar one should

645
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:18,240
not be considered a utility because they
don't have the end the util the energy

646
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:22,079
is not being here and I know you sent me
something from them there's a loophole

647
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:25,839
of course that they can be called a
utility but I don't think they should be

648
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:29,760
I think we should be able to put
something in place because we are not

649
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:35,359
using their energy
They should not get to use a rideway of

650
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:39,520
a adjacent property owning battery
storage system should be a minimum I

651
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:44,079
have 25 miles [laughter]
from schools, daycare facility or

652
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:49,280
subdivisions every 3 months during
construction. Review roads that need to

653
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:54,400
be repaired and repair them because
we've looked at other solar companies

654
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:58,079
not the same one in Pike County and they
don't fix the roads. They say it's

655
00:51:56,526 --> 00:52:02,160
[clears throat] going to be when it's
over. Well, it's [laughter] during that

656
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:08,079
time where the roads are need to be
fixed. Telecommunications

657
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:13,680
and wireless single report including
independent internet study to show any

658
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:18,240
slowness or disruption concerns
condition and if any conditions are not

659
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:23,440
met, termination of the project could
occur. So, we're talking about that we

660
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:29,359
don't have the water tank over there by
Bess. we don't have uh the cooling

661
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:34,079
system set in place and they're putting
the batteries in. If the solar company

662
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:38,559
is not following guidelines with road
usage, battery storage systems, cooling,

663
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:43,119
and other guidelines, they must
immediately halt until those guidelines

664
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:47,599
are met, such as having firefighters
train before moving batteries in place,

665
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:54,240
not having cooling systems in place,
etc. the construction workday 8 to 5

666
00:52:51,119 --> 00:53:00,640
with no lights on before 7 and not after
6. If you've seen the big lights in the

667
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:05,119
place, they light up a football field.
And then once land is in a solar

668
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:11,960
contract, the property assessment
changes to the higher assessment as soon

669
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:11,960
as they're signed up.

670
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:34,776
Can you identify who's allowed to
interrupt and when it's acceptable

671
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,240
» like you're doing
[snorts]

672
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:40,079
» I don't want
>> my interrupting though. Nobody's I'm

673
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,040
sorry Randy. Excuse me.
>> You're not interrupting me.

674
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:46,400
» I'll sit down. You come back.
>> No, go ahead.

675
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:51,760
» Okay. I want to interrupt
>> I want one thing clear about this road

676
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:57,040
on 500. I got my easement here. We
signed you know to get the road paved

677
00:53:54,559 --> 00:54:03,040
and this is the last sentence is you got
we got a 60oot rideway. The same use for

678
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:11,280
public road purposes such as public
utilities may be approved by the board

679
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:15,680
of county commissioners.
You gave this utility. You can call it a

680
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:20,640
utility company. It says utility
company's may. You gave these people

681
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:25,040
free ride away for about a half mile of
county road. You didn't get any money

682
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:29,920
for it, did you? If they would had to
come on on a property owners, you would

683
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:33,440
have you we would have got money for it,
but you you let them go down the center

684
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:38,160
of the road and you didn't get a dime
for it, did you?

685
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:41,160
I'm not allowed to ask questions. I'm
sorry.

686
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:51,160
You want a copy of this?
>> You've seen it before, I'm sure.

687
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:56,359
» I'm sorry.
>> Okay.

688
00:54:56,652 --> 00:54:58,672
[laughter]

689
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:08,240
» I'm sorry. you go through all that.
>> I have that effect on a lot of people

690
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:11,359
until
um

691
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,720
» Oh,
>> so I'm

692
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,013
» You're interrupting me.
>> I'm sorry. [laughter]

693
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:24,400
» Um when I look at things like this, I
always want to go right to the end and

694
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:26,640
say, "Well, what's
>> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm Jason

695
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,680
McCoy."
>> Thank you.

696
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,680
» Um

697
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:41,280
always want to consider what the end use
of the battery storage is. Well, the

698
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:48,960
purpose, as I understand it, is to store
the power that's collected by the solar

699
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:52,640
and then that's going somewhere. And I'm
thinking, okay, so where's that going?

700
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:59,040
What's going on there with that? Where's
why I mean, why are we doing it? So, um,

701
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,640
called my cousin who's way smarter than
me and I said, 'Hey, what's what's going

702
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:07,200
on with all this stuff? He works for one
of the big three. He said, 'Well, which

703
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:10,480
part? I said, well, because there's
three parts. There's [clears throat] the

704
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:14,400
solar, there's the battery, and then
there's the data center. I said, so

705
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:19,680
what's it? He said, it's about the data
center. Are we on record or off record?

706
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:24,319
He said, off record. What's the story on
these data centers? Good or bad? He

707
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:29,839
said, off record, bad. I'm building two
of them right now and I'm telling you

708
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:34,400
it's as bad as anything we've ever done
could be is building all these data

709
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:39,599
centers. Jason, it doesn't get worse
than this. All the battery stuff and the

710
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:43,119
solar stuff is to power all that. So
when I hear that, I'm thinking to

711
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:46,640
myself, okay, well at what point is
anybody going to say, well, why are we

712
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:50,160
even doing this? Because we're talking
about setbacks and electrified fences

713
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:54,720
and we're talking about ordinances and
we're talking about all this stuff. But

714
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:58,400
if we look step back and we take a
three-dimensional view, why why are we

715
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:02,960
talking about all this? It's not clean
energy, we know that now it's

716
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:07,760
alternative energy, right? There's
there's a third of an acre of concrete

717
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:12,079
and steel under every one of those
turbines, those wind turbines, for

718
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:17,119
example. There's never been a wind
turbine on the planet that has yet to

719
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:20,160
offset the carbon footprint that it
costs to put it in. You know how much

720
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:24,160
diesel fuel it takes to mix that much
concrete? the diesel fuel you have to

721
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:29,040
put in trucks to drive the guys there to
pour the concrete, having machinery to

722
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:33,200
operate it, the crane. This is not clean
energy that's good for all of us. It's

723
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:38,799
alternative energy. It's just a
different kind of energy. So my smart

724
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:43,680
cousin, I said, "So what's what's the
deal?" For the record, I'm a Republican

725
00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:47,359
capitalist. I don't want zoning. I'm
opposed to any kind of regulation.

726
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:52,160
Fundamentally, I'm opposed to any kind
of regulation. I don't want regulation.

727
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:58,720
I pretty much want us to make our own
decisions and do what we want to do. But

728
00:57:55,040 --> 00:58:03,040
I don't want you guys, you three or
anybody on the council or any of our

729
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:06,799
employees, which is what I consider you
guys, right? You asked for the job, we

730
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:13,599
gave it to you. The job is to represent
us. And the main part of that job in my

731
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:18,480
opinion is to not not just do what a few
oligarchs want, what a few of the rich

732
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:21,280
people want or what a few of the
business people want because they're

733
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:26,720
saying this is good. We're going to do
it. What I want you to do is anytime

734
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:29,280
somebody comes and asks for something, I
want you to have one of these right

735
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:33,440
here. I don't even know this woman
clearly, but anytime anybody wants

736
00:58:32,319 --> 00:58:37,839
something done that's going to affect
any of us, I want you to have one of

737
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:41,520
these right here. a color-coded binder
with all these tabs that go I guarantee

738
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:45,520
you that woman right there knows more
about this than anybody else in this

739
00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:54,160
room because she's got this.
So, in my opinion, Shereice, Chad,

740
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:59,280
Nick, before you allow anybody to do
anything that affects us,

741
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:02,720
I I want you to do what this lady right
here did. I want you to get it all

742
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:08,720
together. And even if if you don't feel
like you have time to do it, quit. Give

743
00:59:05,839 --> 00:59:14,160
the job to somebody else who does. Let
somebody else who's got you, you get get

744
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:18,160
up there and grab Chad C or whatever. If
you don't have the time or the

745
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:22,480
inclination or the impetus to put this
much time and attention into something

746
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:26,079
that affects all of us, then let
somebody else do the job.

747
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:31,520
One of the things that I said to Doug
Ubelar, I said, I I will tell you that

748
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:40,079
if you if you're what you're running for
this position, it is a mandate of mine.

749
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:44,720
In short, I'll I'll encapsulate that
discussion. You got to have this every

750
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:50,079
single time. Every time you have to do
this amount of research and don't make a

751
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:54,240
decision that affects all of us because
this guy wants you to do it or that guy

752
00:59:51,839 --> 00:59:59,839
wants you to do it or
whoever, right?

753
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:05,680
We have a contract.
Okay. The three of us, the three of you

754
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:11,119
have a contract with me. And our
contract is that I I pay my property

755
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:16,240
taxes on the 70,000 square feet of
commercial space I have here in Jasper,

756
01:00:12,799 --> 01:00:22,160
Duboce County, right? I have to pay
property taxes for that. What is it? 60%

757
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:27,359
of which goes to fund schools. Is that
about right? probably, right? My kids

758
01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:31,520
don't even go to school here, right? I'm
not making a big deal about that. That's

759
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:37,119
kind of the contract. I've got to pay
the money for my property tax. And if I

760
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:41,280
pay that, then you guys have to hold up
your end of the bargain. And your end of

761
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:46,000
the bargain is you don't give this cat
over here

762
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:51,920
a a permit to do anything that's going
to affect all of us without checking

763
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:56,480
with all of us. So, we're we're a little
too late coming here now. I'm with this

764
01:00:53,599 --> 01:01:00,480
other guy. I appreciate that you guys
calling this forum here.

765
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,520
But the chatter I'm hearing is, "Well,
he was calling that because they're

766
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:07,119
scared we're going to run him out of
office." I I don't know if that's true

767
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:10,559
or not. I didn't see this letter of no
confidence or whatever they're all

768
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:13,760
talking about. I'm glad you guys are
here and I'm glad you guys are

769
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:19,400
listening.
But if I started speaking PTON to you

770
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,400
right now,

771
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:30,440
if I started speaking Latinium
or French, you know, if I French or or

772
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:30,440
or Spanish,

773
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:37,280
I'm the fool for speaking to you in a
language you don't understand. And I'm

774
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:43,400
wondering, I get the impression a lot of
times lately because of other issues

775
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:43,400
that I'm involved in,

776
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:51,839
if you guys aren't listening, even if
we're speaking the Queen's English,

777
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:58,400
it doesn't do any good
if you're not listening. So, to me,

778
01:01:54,799 --> 01:02:04,160
what's most important is I want to be
represented. That's what I want. the

779
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:09,680
details. We can work the details out.
But if I'm talking and you're not

780
01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:13,839
listening or if you've already made up
your mind,

781
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:18,400
the last mayoral race or the the
commissioner's race is a perfect

782
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:22,160
example. I explained to my friend Dean,
I know you're on the wrong side of this

783
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:25,920
thing. If you don't get on the right
side of this thing and start paying

784
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:31,760
attention, you're going to be ridden out
on a rail. No. No. He wasn't paying

785
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:35,079
attention. We all know that the election
proved that

786
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:44,559
I I've got a lot of time invested
begging my employees to listen to me and

787
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:48,480
I'm getting a little bit tired of it.
These people sitting behind me have a

788
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:55,520
lot of time invested.
The contract between you and the rest of

789
01:02:52,000 --> 01:03:03,599
the con your constituents is
that we allow you to represent us and

790
01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:11,359
you represent us. The majority of your
constituents, not a few, not a few, not

791
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:15,440
the oligarchs, not a few,
but all of us. And if the majority of

792
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:19,359
people are going, "Hey, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no. Hey, look. Look here

793
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:24,720
what I've done. You're supposed to
really, really want to hear that. You

794
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:28,720
shouldn't be afraid of it. But what's
this person going to think? What's that

795
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:34,480
person going to think? If you're driven
by that, if you're motivated by worrying

796
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:40,240
about what people are going to think
that have the power, you shouldn't be

797
01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:45,520
here, right? What we call that is we
call those people our elected officials

798
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:48,559
here in Duboce County. There's a few of
them. I won't I won't name them because

799
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:52,480
I don't want to embarrass them or put
them on the spot, but we all know who

800
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:57,440
they are, who the freethinkers are, and
we know who the sick ofants are, right?

801
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:00,160
We know we know who who the people are
that are just supposed to kind well, you

802
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:04,079
know, this is kind of what they want us
to do, so this is what we're going to

803
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:08,559
do, right? We don't want those
representatives, right? We want we want

804
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:14,000
people that are actually going to
represent the best interest of the

805
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:18,559
majority of their constituents.
And this to me this this is a perfect

806
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:24,799
example of why I what I nobody's
demonstrated to me how these data

807
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:29,280
centers are a good thing and how this
best thing is a good thing. I get how

808
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:33,359
it's good for him, right? I get that. I
understand that. I understand how for

809
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:36,799
companies like Hallebertton, I mean,
they're rocking these data centers, but

810
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:40,160
as fast as they're getting approval from
people like you to build them, people

811
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:43,359
like us are coming out and they're
shutting it down. And it's not our job

812
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:47,839
to do that, right? I've got kids to
raise. I got stuff to do. Come on. All

813
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:51,760
right. We hire you to represent us. We
don't want to have to come in here and

814
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:57,119
fight you. Um, so I want to I want to
offer that to you. And um, again, I

815
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:00,960
don't know these ladies over here, but
Chad, I'll tell you, it seems

816
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:04,880
disrespectful to me personally the way
you the way you're talking to these two.

817
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:08,119
I just want to close with that.
>> Thank you.

818
01:05:16,799 --> 01:05:21,920
Good evening.
>> Good evening.

819
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:27,425
» I'm Kevin Olinger. Rephrase that. The
other Kevin Olinger. Not the Kevin

820
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:29,680
Olinger. The other one. Buzz knows.
[laughter]

821
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:34,240
U.
Just a little bit about me. Don't live

822
01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:39,920
in Jasper. Farm and raised in Snowville.
I started selling fever when I was 19.

823
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:44,079
Fresh out of high school. I spent 37
years in corporate America with Land of

824
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:50,240
Lakes.
Grew into senior leadership roles,

825
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:58,400
covered six states, watched
um the bureaucracy and the regulations

826
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:04,000
suck the life out of the family farmer
from the aronomy guys. I work in pig

827
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:11,200
farmers so I like bacon. Um, but with
cattle farmers, dairy farmers everywhere

828
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:16,960
and it's just the regulations, it's the
burdens. You know, when you talk about

829
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:21,680
zoning, I don't want anybody to tell
Daryl what to do with his land because

830
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:27,119
that's his.
But what you can do is stop all the

831
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:30,640
federal subsidies. Well, you guys can't,
but somebody's got to stop all the

832
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:35,119
federal subsidies
that's blowing this stuff that's

833
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:41,119
consuming our farmland. So, I've got a
list of questions. I This is just one

834
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:45,200
page. I've actually got two pages, but
And I don't want you guys to answer the

835
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:51,599
questions here. I don't want to put you
on the spot because I've asked several

836
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:58,079
of our elected officials
these same questions. And sadly,

837
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:03,039
they didn't know the answers. I know the
answers to almost everyone on this page.

838
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:09,280
How many people or families are fed
annually per acre of farmland?

839
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:16,866
How many hogs, turkeys, cattle can you
feed per acre of farmland?

840
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,866
I got copies for you, Chad. [laughter]

841
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:26,880
Who are the owners? Crossvine, Rats One,
Rats 2, Promeis,

842
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:32,531
all the solar companies that were put in
in Pike County, Knox County, there's

843
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:34,551
thousands and thousands of acres.
[clears throat and cough]

844
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:42,960
It doesn't take long to find out who the
principal owners are.

845
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:47,280
This here is just hearsay. How long is
the battery storage fields? Uh how long

846
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:51,359
will they power the homes when the
system loses power?

847
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:56,480
Good friend of mine hauled the rock down
to the to the battery storage down in

848
01:07:53,520 --> 01:08:02,319
the old P&L plant in Petersburg.
Got to know the job foreman down there.

849
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:07,359
He said three hours.
That's coming from Bruno. So, who knows?

850
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:11,039
I don't know. I'd be curious to know,
though.

851
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:17,359
Do you guys know who makes all of the
solar panels that are being installed in

852
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:19,839
southern Indiana?
I do.

853
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:25,440
Yes, ma'am.
>> Have you

854
01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:29,920
any elected officials ever been on or
inside of a solar farm as they were

855
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:35,120
being constructed
to actually see them? What they do, how

856
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:40,400
they do, nothing against Indiana
renewable energy, but what you see on

857
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:44,960
Facebook is not what you see out in the
country.

858
01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:51,080
I've been on them.
Do you know how much fossil fuel is

859
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:51,080
consumed per solar acre?

860
01:08:52,319 --> 01:09:03,920
Friend of mine, we had a 3,500 acre
solar farm, not me, that we were hauling

861
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:09,120
gravel to. One order was 7,000 ton
7,000 ton of stone just to put between

862
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:13,440
the panels.
Go green.

863
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:18,400
Is I damn prepared for the aftermath
when something when something

864
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:23,520
catastrophic hits? I don't know. I know
in my 30 plus years working with pig

865
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:28,159
farmers, whenever we tried to get a
permit working with IDM to get a hog

866
01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:33,199
facility put up
through county zoning and all that stuff

867
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:38,239
through state, it was a zoo. You had to
have 200 foot setbacks.

868
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:41,839
If there were, unless there was a church
involved, well, all of a sudden there'd

869
01:09:39,679 --> 01:09:46,239
be a holy roller church pool right up
next door or a daycare. Then all of a

870
01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:51,839
sudden there's a daycare. So rules are
meant to be broken.

871
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:57,679
You know, sadly, our state and federal
government could probably erase 95% of

872
01:09:54,719 --> 01:10:00,563
all the rules on the books today. Don't
tell anybody. It wouldn't change

873
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:02,640
anything.
>> [clears throat]

874
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:07,520
» It wouldn't change a damn thing how we
live our lives because you can't rule

875
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:10,520
and you can't govern when you don't have
morals.

876
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:18,480
Local farmers, they can't spread. They
have spreading regulations from coming

877
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:22,080
down from the state. They can't spread
manure up next to a creek even though

878
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:26,640
it's organic, about as organic as you're
going to get.

879
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:30,719
Who pays for the disposal of solar farms
once they reach the maturity or the end

880
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:35,120
of life? that I don't know. That's just
a question coming from me. Do you know

881
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:41,159
how long you can hold your hand on the
bottom side of a solar panel when it's

882
01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:41,159
88 degrees out on a Saturday morning?

883
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:50,320
I'll be 60 in September. I've got more
scars than my granddaughters can't even

884
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:54,640
keep track of on my hands. 8 seconds.
That's how long you can hold your hand

885
01:10:51,840 --> 01:11:00,880
on the bottom of a solar panel at 88
degrees out. On the top side, I barely

886
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,880
got 5 seconds.

887
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:08,000
And you know, I I've asked Mike and Mark
why the mad rush to take over the

888
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:12,800
farmland. I've got my conspiracy
theories, but and why the outlandish

889
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:17,040
subsidies. You could quadruple the
subsidies that the prop that they're

890
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:23,280
offering the the farmer, the land owner,
the second, third generations of dirt.

891
01:11:20,719 --> 01:11:27,040
You could quadruple it and put post up
in Walmart. I get it. You can't put it

892
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:32,719
on an existing building structure
because it probably wouldn't hold them

893
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:36,800
up. But there's parking lots, whatever.
Who pays the leases when the original

894
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:40,719
company that [clears throat] got the
free federal grant? Who gets that lease?

895
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:44,960
Who takes over that lease when they
sell?

896
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:48,880
Harrison County recainesville
just got done ripping all their panels

897
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:53,280
out.
The politicians up there say it's

898
01:11:51,679 --> 01:11:59,199
because they were outdated and
ineffective.

899
01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:04,320
I don't know how much solar panels have
improved in techn technological

900
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:08,000
advances,
but I got a good friend of mine that

901
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:11,840
farmed several thousand acres up in
Harrison County right by his buddy at

902
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:16,640
the RAC said they were money pit from
day one.

903
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:23,440
When you look at who and you know who
are the primary owners of AES,

904
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:27,360
that's an interesting one. Who are the
primary shareholders of Black Rockck and

905
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:32,159
Vanguard?
What percentage of Black Rockck is

906
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:35,760
institutionally owned? Another
interesting one.

907
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:40,800
And do you know how what the federal
grants were for the AS that AES received

908
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:44,640
for the Rats one, Rats 2, not your own
crossine,

909
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:50,159
but the one that really prompted this
one is there's a landfill closure

910
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:53,159
project down at the old IPNL down at
Petersburg.

911
01:12:53,440 --> 01:13:03,440
And I it's the damnest thing I've ever
seen. They're covering 80 acres

912
01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:08,960
of a closed landfill with astroturf.
Has nothing to do with solar. Nothing.

913
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:13,159
But they hadn't put anything in that
landfill in 15 years.

914
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:19,679
the I I looked up the work Rar for the
company that was hired to to do this RA

915
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:25,600
AES
company out of Cleveland, Ohio, parent

916
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:29,440
company in Las Vegas, Nevada.
I saw the nine-page work order to close

917
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:33,360
it. They stripped all the top soil off
and I kid you not, they're putting

918
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:36,480
astroturf on 80 acres. I told Shane
Lindau, I said, "Well, at least they had

919
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:40,800
enough smarks to put it on top of a
landfill because in 10 years when that

920
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:45,560
astral turf starts blowing everywhere,
all you got to do is open the landfill,

921
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:45,560
put it back in."

922
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:55,040
I've got u a lot of pictures and
documents and stuff on how some of the

923
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:59,400
uh solar vines or solar vines, the solar
panels, the solar farms were built.

924
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:08,320
They will not last as long as
everybody's being sold.

925
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:13,520
A friend of mine up in Knox County who's
battling a solar farm right next to him,

926
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:16,480
one that got put in. He's saying that
his lease the leases on his neighbor's

927
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:21,199
property is already up and they're
battling on it. This guy was actually

928
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:26,239
smart enough. He went back to the the so
the rats company or whatever the that

929
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:29,679
shell company was. He did the math and
he said, "Well, I tell you what." They

930
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:35,120
said, "I'll sell you whatever acreage
you want for your solar farm, 25,000 an

931
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:38,360
acre." They said, "Nope. We'll only
lease it."

932
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:44,800
And bottom line is
couple other thoughts. Do you know what

933
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:50,800
the ambient temperature is on a solar
farm 10 ft above the solar panels or 20?

934
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:53,920
Go out and look at go and stand in a
corn field and get an ambient

935
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:59,600
temperature reading over a corn field or
soybean field.

936
01:14:56,719 --> 01:15:04,880
big difference.
>> The one solar farm down in Pike County,

937
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:08,880
there was not one player from Indiana.
All in all the weeks that I hold rock

938
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:14,080
down there,
Missouri,

939
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:19,679
uh, Alabama, Mississippi, Nevada, South
Carolina, North Carolina, Iowa,

940
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:24,239
they hold water in from Michigan to
spray the roads down.

941
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:28,480
Bottom line for me on solar, you know,
I'm doing this. I got three

942
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:35,679
granddaughters. I'm done in life, you
know, I'm okay to go. But if we don't

943
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:41,120
have food, we don't need electricity.
It's just bottom line. Amen.

944
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:45,199
» And when things don't make sense,
>> which a lot of this stuff, I've seen

945
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:50,480
them getting built. I've seen the
landfill closure projects, you know,

946
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:55,840
we've seen some of the DNR projects that
they're just wiping out trees because

947
01:15:54,000 --> 01:16:00,880
they got to fix a high wall or
something. They just mulching down acres

948
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:06,480
and acres and acres of trees
for what? Follow the money.

949
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:13,280
It's 100% follow the money when things
don't make sense. So,

950
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:18,239
I've got a few other extra copies of my
questions and I've got another page on

951
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:22,560
questions on solar. I got a page on uh
some of the IDAM stuff that we battle

952
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:27,199
all the time. IDM's worried about
keeping dirt out of the water when our

953
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:31,440
water's stored in dirt,
but yet they allow everybody to spray

954
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:36,800
underneath power lines and everything
else. And it's just bizarre. They spray

955
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:40,400
rod over top of the top egg. Don't say a
dang word about it. So I got two more

956
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:44,280
pages on that end. [laughter]
>> Thank you.

957
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:44,280
» Thank you.

958
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:57,400
» Just give me one second, please.

959
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:09,440
Okay. Go ahead, Sarah.
Jared Harrisburg

960
01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:16,560
res um on Mr. McCoy's speaking I wanted
to kind of clear something up on the

961
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:24,239
he stated that the solar
the best is there to get filled with

962
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:29,600
energy from the solar field. From what I
was told from a a best expert from

963
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:34,480
California was
the panels are getting hooked to the

964
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:41,520
substation, the centerpoint substation
there that they just built. The best the

965
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:48,320
only thing the best is doing
is pull energy off the grid, buy it

966
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:56,080
cheap, sell it high every day. It's just
their money maker. The solar field is to

967
01:17:53,040 --> 01:18:01,440
is like a cover to trick people into
thinking that it has to be there and

968
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:05,920
it's for the solar. They don't need 92
giant ass batteries

969
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:12,159
for that energy to go into every single
day. That field is not going to produce

970
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:18,000
crap. You could have one battery, four
batteries, not 92. You don't need that.

971
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:21,040
It's all a money maker. So,
just to clear that up because I don't

972
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:25,199
want people thinking that you have to
have they don't go hand in hand. You

973
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:29,600
know what I'm saying? It's they're not
even hooked together. And if they are,

974
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:34,159
prove it because we would like to ask
CrossFine, but they've never came to a

975
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:41,040
meeting, never seen anybody from there
because they're a crap company.

976
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:45,280
A yes, I should say. Um,
>> and you guys got a

977
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:49,679
» can I you just in your opinion, would it
be good for you or for the community if

978
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:53,679
Crossbine hadn't because when they were
here before people felt like they're

979
01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:55,679
just they're not really doing anything.
It's not it's not worth my time to even

980
01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:59,360
show up.
>> I don't know. I don't know if I want to

981
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,360
get arrested.

982
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:05,440
So just
>> I mean honestly though

983
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:11,120
» because here's the thing they
>> these people come to the meetings about

984
01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:16,080
when you had a meeting about u cross
vine these people came and talked and

985
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:18,719
it's not their project it's it's
sickening

986
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:23,199
» crossine has offered to come and I just
I didn't know if it was going to be of

987
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,920
value if it would be
>> good.

988
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:28,159
» Sure.
>> Thank you. So sorry to interrupt you.

989
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:31,159
guys don't hear on that.
>> U

990
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:38,080
this project, these projects are they're
freaking huge. You guys got to look, you

991
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:42,560
got to do research beforehand before you
approve them because

992
01:19:40,900 --> 01:19:46,560
[clears throat]
me and my wife, we got four kids, three

993
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:51,760
of which are still in school at
Huntingburg.

994
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:57,199
Uh, well, one's a Holland, one's in the
middle school, one's in the high school,

995
01:19:54,960 --> 01:20:01,520
and
I don't know what everybody else thinks,

996
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:04,640
but these parents, but if something
happens,

997
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:10,960
there's going to be a lot of people
that's going to have a lot of answering

998
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:15,280
to do because it's a big deal. I mean,
my house is one mile from those

999
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:18,719
batteries. Um,
so say they're sitting there 35 years.

1000
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:22,400
35 years I got to worry about something
happening. It's crap.

1001
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:28,159
» Get out.
>> Like what [clears throat]

1002
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:34,320
um John said, they need to be on
uh power plant ground behind the fence

1003
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:39,679
being monitored by these professionals
that have a crew there.

1004
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:44,159
If something happens out there, 45
minute delay,

1005
01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:49,920
which it doesn't matter. You can't do
nothing anyways. Watch the damn thing

1006
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:52,719
burn. It's just it's sad. I mean, it's
ridiculous.

1007
01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:56,000
I don't know what else to say. I wasn't
going to speak, but whenever I heard him

1008
01:20:54,800 --> 01:21:00,480
talking about the batteries and the
solar, I wanted to make it clear that

1009
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:03,199
what we were told by a professional was
they're not even going to be hooked

1010
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:10,000
together.
The solar's going onto the grid. The

1011
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:13,920
batteries are just there to pull energy
off the grid

1012
01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:17,440
and sell, make money. Just a money
maker. That's all it is.

1013
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:23,480
I don't know. Oh. Um,

1014
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:29,520
I did want to ask if
I don't know you probably didn't answer

1015
01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:33,440
me anyways, but I was going to ask you
three if you guys signed NDAs on from

1016
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:37,840
any of this stuff from any of these
solar companies or energy companies

1017
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:41,600
» because it seems like we aren't getting
anywhere with this and it feels like

1018
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:46,080
that
you guys are being awful tight lipped

1019
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:55,120
and we we need to get the ball rolling
on this crap on preventing future stuff

1020
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:59,440
like now we do. That's all I got.
>> Thank you. Is there anybody that hasn't

1021
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:03,840
spoken? We We've got about 12 minutes
left. So, I'd like Whoever would like to

1022
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:05,679
speak, come on up. [laughter] You'll be
next.

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01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,600
» Okay.
>> Hi.

1024
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:14,239
» Hi.
>> I'm Dennis Witz from Duff. Uh I don't

1025
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:25,880
know whether I'm
uh need a shield behind me. Y

1026
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:25,880
» probably uh going to speak

1027
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:31,520
uh against some of the things that been
said.

1028
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:37,280
One thing on on Bass, I I don't know
very much about it, but I would suggest

1029
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:44,440
that
we find out what the

1030
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:44,440
actual

1031
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:57,920
uh
problems are and how high the risk is

1032
01:22:51,679 --> 01:23:03,040
from this storage. in your book.
Um, that's all I [clears throat] like to

1033
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:14,360
say. I don't know any more about that.
Uh, we farmed in stuff for I'm 65, been

1034
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:14,360
living there all our lives. We

1035
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:25,600
um
had the solar project on our ground.

1036
01:23:21,679 --> 01:23:36,639
So obviously we're getting paid
generous uh lease payments for that but

1037
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:42,239
I can say that we are well pleased with
the job EDP has done. I can't speak with

1038
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:46,239
AES
uh to to them.

1039
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:52,560
Um
as far as the the trucks, anytime they

1040
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:58,239
had anytime they have trucks
or any kind of

1041
01:23:55,199 --> 01:24:05,600
uh equipment on the road, they have
flaggers in front and behind every day.

1042
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:10,719
our [clears throat] roads
get swept with a

1043
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:15,679
street sweeper
multiple times a day.

1044
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:22,480
Um
but the [clears throat]

1045
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:28,880
the thing that I would say people need
to keep in mind

1046
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:34,000
with the solar
as you said somebody said it is

1047
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:41,199
alternative but we know what the
alternative to solar is because that's

1048
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:48,719
what we lived with
for most of our lives.

1049
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:52,639
All of our lives around here is coal
and we had coal

1050
01:24:51,120 --> 01:25:00,719
mines
all around Duff previously.

1051
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:05,040
There's we've had our own ground was
mined

1052
01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:15,440
35 years ago
and it was reclaimed but it is still not

1053
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:21,600
the same as it was prior to that
35 years or 55 years whenever this comes

1054
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:29,120
out of the solar project.
there's enough

1055
01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:36,320
material steel mainly in the project
that it will even if EDP does not have

1056
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:41,840
funds available.
The steel was

1057
01:25:38,639 --> 01:25:50,120
in the project is enough to pay somebody
to to pull it out and sell it for scrap.

1058
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:50,120
It's there's not that much in it.

1059
01:25:53,199 --> 01:26:00,120
It's not [clears throat] like the wind
turbines where it's

1060
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:00,120
» all the concrete in

1061
01:26:00,719 --> 01:26:03,719
uh

1062
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:09,920
the coal mines
um

1063
01:26:09,319 --> 01:26:17,120
[laughter]
or the the coal uh fired plants. We can

1064
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:21,520
see two of them from the land that my
grandpa owned.

1065
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:26,159
And
uh

1066
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:33,120
in years past,
southern Indiana had the worst

1067
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:39,199
air quality of any place in the state.
And I had questioned that previously and

1068
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:45,840
why that was. Well, it's because we are
producing the power in the

1069
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:53,679
three or five
coal fire plants to send

1070
01:26:49,679 --> 01:27:00,120
north basically and and for us.
So,

1071
01:26:56,159 --> 01:27:00,120
what would you rather have?

1072
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,440
uh [clears throat]

1073
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:11,600
coal coal
uh produced energy.

1074
01:27:08,719 --> 01:27:17,760
You only have to look you you just
mentioned the

1075
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:23,040
uh road bonding issue
with the [clears throat]

1076
01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:28,239
Ireland uh shamrock.
>> Yeah, shamrock. And that that pit's

1077
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:31,760
still open.
Uh,

1078
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:37,120
and
as far as I know, there's not funds

1079
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:40,120
available to close it.
uh

1080
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:51,440
you know that is what I would suggest
people keep in mind

1081
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:59,360
that
yes it is taking

1082
01:27:54,560 --> 01:28:06,560
some farm ground out of out of clay but
what they are putting in solar panels

1083
01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:12,960
on
as at least our ground. This is not

1084
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:19,600
prime farm ground. This is rolling
hills.

1085
01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:24,080
They could probably take Dubo County and
and take all the farm ground and it

1086
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:30,239
wouldn't
make any difference as far as the

1087
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:38,400
production of grain
for Indiana.

1088
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:44,480
Um Obviously, we don't want that.
Uh and I would suggest

1089
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:49,040
also that
we take

1090
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:55,199
time to
wait until these projects are

1091
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:58,880
completed
before

1092
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:06,400
we judge how they're going to be.
Obviously during construction there is a

1093
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:10,880
lot of traffic,
there's a lot of noise,

1094
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:17,679
but
>> once it's in

1095
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:22,880
installed and in production,
uh there's [clears throat] not going to

1096
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:27,600
be noise
um

1097
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:33,080
or smoke
like from So

1098
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,080
hopefully

1099
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:38,800
» folks, we have about three minutes if
somebody wants to make their you were up

1100
01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:43,280
next.
>> Oh gosh, sir.

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01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:49,520
» John mistakenly said a while ago 250
yards. Okay. Meaning 250 ft. The sad

1102
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:52,719
truth is if that 250 yards was on there,
they couldn't have wrapped most these

1103
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:58,920
neighborhoods out of honey. They
wouldn't had room for it. Just that one

1104
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:58,920
little setback. Okay.

1105
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:03,920
The other question I have is for
[clears throat] our EDP guy. He stated

1106
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:07,280
while ago that he has nothing to do with
vest, that you're just solar. Can you go

1107
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:12,800
on record saying there won't be no best
in phase two at Duff? You will. There's

1108
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:17,679
no no best out there
in the first no

1109
01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:20,840
first phase.
>> The best

1110
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:26,480
speaker
in four minutes here. The other thing I

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01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:30,320
want to say is we started this battle
last year and we were told by Honeyburg

1112
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:33,840
Council, no permits, you should have
been here before you got permits. You

1113
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:38,480
guys told us no permits. Should have
been here before you got permits. Okay.

1114
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:44,080
We were successful when we got a year
moratorum, you know, at Honeyburg and

1115
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:48,800
here. Okay. AS came in and paid a fire
truck and whatever and got their permits

1116
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:55,760
back at Honeyburg. Okay. The way I
understand it, we got you cannot extend

1117
01:30:51,120 --> 01:31:00,880
a moratorum more than a year. Okay. So,
that gives us like four months to get

1118
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:05,080
zoning or some kind of control in place.
Okay. It's time to do it.

1119
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:10,679
Do I have time for one more person? If
somebody would like

1120
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:19,280
Ron Hope and you were talking about
people talking about the rightways and

1121
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:25,679
on the roads and basically your heavy
use road use permit, if I remember

1122
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:29,840
right, gave them the rightway
and that shouldn't have been in there

1123
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:36,400
because it should be public utility, not
a private company. And uh

1124
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:41,280
it also had in there they can change
names and change our LLC name and

1125
01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:44,080
everything and not notify the county.
And that shouldn't have been in there

1126
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:47,600
either. I'm not a lawyer, but I I can
read stuff and I know what ain't right.

1127
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:55,199
That shouldn't have been in there either
one far as the reclaim funding.

1128
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:58,239
So you're saying you got a 100% put in
right now for redone?

1129
01:31:57,679 --> 01:32:02,400
» Yeah, there's
>> not to 25. Can you can you ask your

1130
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:08,639
question of him afterwards?
>> Share your comments, please.

1131
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:14,320
» Okay. Then as far as the installation,
if you look in the internet, basically

1132
01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:18,960
50% of it's paid by the taxpayers
completely.

1133
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:27,120
Uh our former egg secretary Vilsac was
on the egg show one morning. He said 50%

1134
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:33,440
was covered by the taxpayer till uh the
inflation reduction act. Our last

1135
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:38,960
president had added 40%. So he said 90%
of this installations to the bus

1136
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:44,880
taxpayers. So we're paying for this.
And then they had it all publicized to

1137
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:49,520
give 10 or $15,000 to schools and all
this.

1138
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:53,520
Well, that's to cover all the bad rep
they were getting. So, they make it

1139
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:57,280
public that they donated money. What
about all the sheet and metal shops, gas

1140
01:32:55,360 --> 01:33:02,560
companies, everybody that donate to the
community all the time and doesn't make

1141
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:08,239
a big deal of it? That's a kind of kick
in the foot for them. And then

1142
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:11,920
batteries,
they're got new technology, some kind of

1143
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:15,440
sodium or other batteries that's
supposed to be better in lithium. when

1144
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:19,659
they'll get out and good. Maybe they'll
be better than lithium. Maybe they won't

1145
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:22,239
be. I don't know.
[cough and clears throat]

1146
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:28,000
Depends, I guess, if lithium batteries
is worse than having a mini nuclear

1147
01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:31,520
plant next door. So,
I don't know.

1148
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:36,960
» Thank you, Mr. Ho. Y
>> All right, folks. That's the I think

1149
01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:40,800
we're up against the time. Um it's 6:01.
I do appreciate everybody that made

1150
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:44,800
their comments and uh
>> we'll we'll just keep moving forward

1151
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:51,920
with this. Thank you.
>> Can I say one one sentence?

1152
01:33:48,880 --> 01:34:00,040
» People ask me all the time what BS is.
They see the signs. It st stands for

1153
01:33:55,120 --> 01:34:00,040
battery excuse me batter

1154
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:07,560
energy storage system. Just for anybody
that wants to know, I get asked it all

1155
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:07,560
the time.

1156
01:34:12,060 --> 01:34:17,239
» [clears throat]
>> Hi,

1157
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,239
nice to meet you.