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No, they're right. Yeah, that's weird.

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Gas testing.

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Gas testing. That's one.

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There's still breadcrumbs. Yeah, that's weird.

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Call the Board of Supervisors in the session for our November 17th regularly scheduled meeting.

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We'll go into public comments. At this time, anyone may address the Board on matters of which are on the agenda.

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Please go to the podium, state your name and home address.

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Individuals wishing to comment on public hearing will be given the opportunity during that respective hearing.

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and individual remarks are limited to three minutes.

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Do we have anyone in chambers wishing to address the board?

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Seeing no one

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come up to this.

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If it's on the agenda.

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So before we move on, can I have a?

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Yeah, go ahead.

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Well, you've got, just go through the public comments

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and then I'll make my motion.

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There we go.

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Phil.

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We have anyone online, Keith.

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Yeah, Phil Krankovic.

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Go ahead, Phil.

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Good morning.

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Philip Krankovic, 15476,

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Briarwood Drive, Vernon Township.

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The Sheriff's Department is to be commended for bringing forward a plan for replacing

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the 40 to 50-year-old boilers in the law enforcement center.

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What started out as a boiler replacement appears to have morphed into a major upgrade

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of the structure's HVA system.

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A modern budgetary quote in the Sheriff's February 4th work session packet was a good

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starting point for the proposed boiler replacement project and includes a reasonably detailed

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scope of work to replace the five existing hot water boilers and the two existing domestic

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water heaters. Commercial and institutional heating systems usually have three separate

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distinct components. A heat conversion system to heat the circulating water. Distribution

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system that transfers the heat to the distribution points in the building. And air handles and

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radiators that transfer the heat to the ambient air within the building. The Sheriff's

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presentation at the 4th at the February 3rd supervision meeting proposed obtaining retaining

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Johnson controls to oversee the project using the Omnia procurement process. When implemented the

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engineering design and project management portions may not have been subject to the

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competitive bidding process. For goods like office supplies and police

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brewers, this appears to be a cost-effective process. However, for services like removal

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and installation of boiler, the skill and experience of the contractor can have a major impact

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on the final cost of the project. At today's work session, the sheriff may put forward

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two options replacing this in hot water boilers from Johnson Controls. Based on the text

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of the HVAC proposals that appears that JCA was paid $75,000 for a quote 50% DD

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pre-tab and additional discovery work that is not included in the project list above.

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The text indicates that this project is in accordance with the JCI source well agreement.

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Concerns. First, the project was not put out for public bid even though the JCA

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a proposal referenced 25.09.09 Dubuque County Sheriff's Office Boiler Replacement Set.PDF,

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a reference to a file that does not appear to be available on the county's website.

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Second, if the omni procurement process is so effective, why was it not used for the generator

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project? Third, the description of the work in the text of the proposal only gives a general

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description of the work to be completed. A detailed description, possibly with blueprints,

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is usually needed to enforce compliance with the contract. Fourth, the quotation includes

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three and a quarter pages of small print legalese. Johnson controls standard terms and conditions

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that controls the contract. As with any contract, the contract author has an incentive for the

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contract's two terms to favor the offer. Example, in section 10, the states that the law

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Delaware shall apply and the venue for litigation arbitration is Milwaukee,

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Wisconsin. If the work schedule was not included the prices stated the proposal

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are only valid through December 12th. From a human comfort standpoint the best

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time to replace the heating system is in the summer when its use is not

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required. Six Johnson Controls software licensing terms are included by

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reference but not included in the package. Prior to my retirement in April

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of 2020 for doing part to.

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Jumps control software contract terms. My former employer had significant difficulty making minor

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changes to the control settings for a major process refrigeration system that was critical

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to this facility's safe operation. Last, each department and office should not have to reinvent

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the wheel for each project. A project management system should be implemented by the contact

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for more efficient completion of projects. Thank you.

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Anyone else online? Keith?

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No one online.

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Yes, I'd like to make a motion regarding the agenda and if the chair would allow at this time.

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My motion is to remove the work session that is the last item on the agenda.

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That's the Roberts Rules.

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Rules.

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Rules.

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Is that correct?

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Or the last work session?

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Okay.

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That's one you're referring to?

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The last work session only.

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The possible.

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And I believe it is a closed session.

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Okay.

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Possible closed session.

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Well, that's my, my motion is to remove that work session from the agenda.

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Talk to HR before removing them.

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I'm sorry.

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no second to that.

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We will move forward.

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We'll go to the approval of the minutes of the November 3rd meeting.

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One

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correction made.

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One correction up at the top here.

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It says absent.

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Supervisor McDonough was here.

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She just abstained from one vote.

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I believe that was it.

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That's not historically what we have done, which is

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absent and who's not absent.

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But all the same, that is a significant clerical.

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We're going to update that.

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I'd make a motion to approve as corrected.

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Second.

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I'll motion a second to approve the minutes as amended.

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All in favor signify by aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Go to the consent items.

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We have a special class C, native retail wine license for barrel head winery.

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Motion to approve.

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Second.

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A motion and a second to approve the special class C, native retail wine license for barrel

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head winery.

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All in favor signify by aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Go to public hearings.

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We have the proof of public hearing for today.

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Okay, proof of publication for the hearings.

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Motion to approve.

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Second.

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Motion and a second to approve the proof of publications.

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All in favor signify by aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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We'll go to the public hearing on the fiscal year 26 and budget amendment number two, we'll

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go to Stella and then we'll go to public comment after that.

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Should be on Stella.

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No.

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Here you go.

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Try talking.

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Can you?

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Oh, there we go.

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Yeah.

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The light's not on.

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Okay.

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Good morning, everyone. I am Stella Rundy. I'm the Dubuque County Budget Director.

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We have on the agenda today and presented on the screen the second amendment for our fiscal year 26

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budget. The main purpose for this amendment is to carry forward capital projects from fiscal year 25 that were in process.

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We had a work session a month or two ago, I guess at this point,

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going through

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most of those capital projects the board had a chance to look through all of

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those and so that's the large part of what this amendment is for. Any

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questions

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in? No.

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I'll open the public hearing reference of fiscal year 26 budget

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amendment number two. If anyone wishing to address the board no

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one in

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chambers we have anyone online Keith? No one online.

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We'll close the public

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hearing no for the adoption of the fiscal year 26 budget amendment number two

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second have a motion and a second to adopt the fiscal year 26 a budget amendment number two all

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in favor signify by aye aye aye we have resolution to approve the fiscal year 26 appropriations

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amendment number two motion to approve the resolution second have a motion and a second

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to approve the fiscal year 26 appropriations amendment number two all in favor signify by hi

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hi hi next we have zoning case hashtag one zero dash two two dash two zero two five

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Randy and Lynn record and Travis record a one agricultural to a two agricultural residential

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Good morning, Ben Cober, Dubuque County Zoning Administrator.

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So we've got ZC number 10-22-25 on behalf of Randy and Lynn Raker and Travis Raker rezoning

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some A-1 agricultural land to A-2 agricultural residential.

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They're requesting to rezone three acres to allow their son Travis to build a new

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home in a shed on the farm so he can continue to help with the farming operations.

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applications. Mostly A1 agricultural zoning for the surrounding land uses. There's some

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A2 agricultural to the northwest, R1 rural residential to the southwest, B2 highway business

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to the north, and two heavy industrial to the north.

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So there are previous zoning cases

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associated with those outlined in the staff report that has been provided. No previous

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Maybe a zoning case is attached to this property, no special use permits.

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Six notification letters were sent out to surrounding property owners along with the

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city of Dyersville being notified.

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Just to go through the current zoning designation of A1, that zoning designation is appropriate.

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Land has been used for agricultural uses for many years.

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About 70 acres of contiguous ownership, about 35 acres is currently used for crop

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production with another 30 acres for actively managed timber, pond, and open space.

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The land is currently agricultural and rural in character.

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So that's the current designation of A1.

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For the proposed reclassification of three acres to A2 agricultural residential district,

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that can also be considered appropriate.

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The area to be rezoned will more than meet the minimum lot size requirements for a single

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family home.

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Once a new PLATF survey is approved, applicants are locating the proposed development in an area that should minimize the impact of existing agricultural uses.

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Do we have a site plan for that on the civic packet? I'm just wondering if we could scroll down a little bit to show that I do believe we had something submitted.

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I do have those files if we need to look at those.

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So Ben, why does it need to be three acres?

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It doesn't necessarily need to be three acres.

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The required minimum is one acre.

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The site plan, as indicated by the surveyor,

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shows space for a shed house.

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I don't know.

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Some people call them different things,

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but basically it's going to be mostly an accessory structure

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with some living quarters attached.

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Then there would be another detached shed.

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So I have a site plan.

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If you would like to see that,

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I can pass that around unless it is on the I'd like to see it. Okay, so there's gonna be this on their home place

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Mm-hmm. It's gonna be a shower right the the main dwelling structure, and then it's the main building

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That's the residents age 37 there.

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There it is right there, so

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That is towards the back of one of their fields there they'll have a proposed access that follows a ridge

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so going from

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West to east, that ridge decreases in elevation, and then where their proposed building site,

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the proposed rezoning area of three acres is kind of at the end of that ridge.

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And then to the north, it slopes off toward some kind of open space with some trees towards

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the pond to the north.

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And then to the south and east, there's more of a, you know, a drainage of a ravine drainage area.

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And then the property line to the west there.

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So if you can kind of see physically what that looks like locating it on the southeast corner of that undivided 40 acre aliquot part.

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So, the survey itself will only need to be a simple division. There hasn't been any previous subdivisions that have occurred in that quarter-quarter.

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So, that is the currently existing farmhouse as we consider the agricultural exemption.

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This exists right now.

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Yes, yes, so there

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That is on the undivided 40 as it exists and then the new

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Plata survey and the proposed rezoning area that will be

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Accomplished by a simple division, but it will be rezoned or

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Proposed rezoning to a to agricultural residential for that area

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We want to preserve as much ag land as we can so does this accomplish that?

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I think that it is taking some agricultural land out of production, looking at the topography of the area.

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There is that steeper slope going south off the property. It's currently in production.

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but yeah I mean there is some agricultural ground I'd say close to two

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acre and a half, two acres that kind of encompasses that proposed rezoning site

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that's currently used for agriculture. So that is yeah we're taking some

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production out of or we're taking some land out of production. And that's the

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balance, of course, in making the A2 is to preserve as much ag land as we can, but also

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create a dwelling for someone to live on the property if they're going to continue with

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the farming operation.

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I think, yeah, it strikes a balance between trying to preserve some of that ag land

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and also acknowledging, like, to a limited degree with private property rights, wanting

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to keep, you know, family in the area to help, you know, kind of maintain that, that

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agricultural use, that role character. I don't know what due diligence they went through

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to look at all the potentially desirable spots for residential development, but this

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is what they've settled on and our zoning commission recommended approval of this.

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The request conformed to A2 guidelines?

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The request itself, just I think if you look at the description of the A2

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Agricultural Residential District, so the purpose is to allow for a new home on

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a small lot if it is needed to continue or promote farming operations in the

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area. So, you know, that statement is open to interpretation. We can go by what

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an applicant puts on on their application their expressed desire or purpose in doing this so

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you know it is in the family so we can hopefully trust that Travis will continue with some

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agricultural operation and property maintenance out there. So the the house that's at the top there

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yes what's included in that just one building looks like they've got if the

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the parcel lines are accurate looks like it might be so that's the proposed site

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so that's nowhere near their existing house it's great and talking about the

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one that's sitting there right there yeah so that is where Randy and Lynn

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currently reside. So with it being zoned A1, them having over 40 acres in some

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kind of agricultural production or actively managed timber that qualifies as

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our farmhouse per our own methods of recognizing the farm exemption per

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IOCode chapter 335.2 so so the whole lot there is just 40 acres so there

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be houses on that 40 acre lot they will once this is rezoned so I can it's as a

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floating zone it can you can have the multiple zoning districts on one legal

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description so if the rezoning is approved you'll have a map amendment

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and that will change once the the notice of your decision is published. That

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takes into effect and that small you know that three acre area will be zoned A2

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and then after the zoning's been approved then the simple division the

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plata survey can be submitted and that'll be approved administratively and

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and the map will show, the zoning map will show that parcel is being zoned A2 whenever

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that is finally recorded.

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Okay.

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No other questions?

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I'd like to hear from the public.

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I'd like to hear from the public.

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Yeah.

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We've got one person here.

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Open public hearing regarding zoning case, hashtag 1-0-2-2-0-2-5, Randy and Lynn

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record and Travis record, do we have anyone in chambers wishing to address the

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board?

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saying no one in chambers do have anyone online.

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We've got a Schneider.

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If you can unmute yourself, there you go.

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Yes, this is Dave Schneider.

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Schneider Landsurfing 906, First Street North, Farley, Iowa.

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Good morning all.

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Basically working with the Rakers to get his son established out there

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and kind of prepared.

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We've got about two acres of crop ground associated with this building lot, and then the rest is

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just kind of the, I guess, the wooded fence line on the east side of where this proposed

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house is going to be, and then it goes into kind of a wet ditch on the south side kind

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of down a steeper slope. And whenever I do meet people out there and do these acreages,

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I always, especially when it's in the family, I always tell them, I'm going to, if I set the

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pins out in the middle of the field, it doesn't do me any good to set them on the surface because

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they'll get plowed out anyway. And in a lot of cases, nobody wants to mow all this ground. So

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if it's in the family, they're just going to plant whatever they're not utilizing for their

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acreage is fairly consistent with what I see on these. But anyway, yeah, just kind of trying

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to work with him, get in a layout that works for him and for Travis and his wife and basically

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in the location that they were requesting, so if you have any questions I'd be happy

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to answer them.

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No questions.

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I don't have any questions.

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No questions.

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Thank you, Dave.

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Thank you.

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Do you have anyone else online wishing to address the board?

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No one else online.

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I will close the public hearing. I make a motion to approve the rezoning.

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I'll second with discussion.

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I'll motion in a second with discussion. Go ahead.

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So what we balance in Dubuque County is the need to keep another generation on the farm.

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But what we have happening is creating Dubuque County into large acreage subdivisions.

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So that's the balance. The land that's needed for this is what should be used.

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And if three acres is that number, that's fine. And I'm mostly speaking with you, Ben, right?

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But that's my rationale, that we don't have any way to make this person remain on that farm or stay there.

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And now they have a three-acre parcel that they could sell to some other person who might want to live in, just like we did during the pandemic.

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clinic. Folks wanted to live rural. So that's the balance. And Dave Schneider knows this.

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This is not a new thing that I raise. It is always a balance between what the property

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owner wishes to do and what it takes to move a young person to stay on the farm to completely

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understand that. And I'm not even arguing about one acre, one way or the other. But

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it simply is that that needs to be a discussion point. Why do we need to take land out

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of farm crop usage.

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Because if we don't ask that question, there's no other person to ask that.

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That's us.

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I don't doubt your zoning board may or may not have had that discussion, but as you

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lead them through this, that's what I would like to encourage you to do, to say it needs

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to be the appropriate size, not for resale, not for enjoyment, but to preserve as much

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ag land as we can.

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So that's the reason for the discussion and the hesitation.

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I believe my colleagues feel the same.

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I believe we're following A2 and to add subjectivity into that, I think, is, you know, we have to understand that there's an ordinance there.

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We follow the ordinance and we take these situations as they come to us.

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See, a lot of these come through and I generally don't have issues with them.

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And I don't have an issue with this one.

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But I see some wording that's very common in all of these that I think may be misleading

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a lot of times about to assist in the farming operation when it really doesn't appear that

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there's any farming operation going on there other than they own a bunch of ground.

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You know, I don't know if they rent the ground out or if they farm it.

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Whatever.

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It doesn't make any difference.

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But the thing being, it seems like that is into all of these to assist in the farming operation.

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And I don't know that that's really the truth in a lot of them, but that's not ours to delve into.

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But it is ours to discuss, which is what we're doing here.

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There's no vote being cast right now.

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And so it's the discussion that helps form the discussion that's going to happen when you meet with landowners as well.

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It is intended to increase agricultural vibrancy, which is an economic reason we sit here, right?

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So that is part of this, and I don't want to lose sight of that.

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Then I have heard previous boards have the same conversation.

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Darryl Klein led this discussion every two weeks about it could be smaller, it could be less.

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We're preserving crop ground.

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it being planted right now, then why were we taking it out?

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So that's the focus.

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And whether or not it's in the language of the ordinance,

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it is ours to look at to ask citizens

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to participate in that, the preservation

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of agricultural land, right?

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So we also know that if we're going to have growth,

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we are going to lose some agricultural land.

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Agreed, agreed.

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So I think it's also important to note

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that we are working on our unified development code,

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which is going to address this issue, which we also have new legislation that is passed

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and became effective as of July and it's called accessory dwelling units.

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And so whether it's, you know, agricultural land, residential land, whatever the case

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may be, you know, legislation has passed that accessory dwellings can be built on

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properties.

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So that's already in place.

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You know, maybe we start, instead of hearing A2 cases,

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we start hearing accessory dwelling situations and we move on.

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I'm not saying I disregard, you know, the need to look at agricultural land as a whole in Dubuque County,

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but I think we have to follow what we have in front of us.

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And, you know, sometimes it doesn't match up with our opinions,

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But sometimes we have to follow the legislation that we have in front of us.

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You know, I'll just add, like, you know, if we go on our county website,

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someone inquiring about what they need to do to build a house in Dubuque County,

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in rural Dubuque County, you know, there's a kind of a step-by-step process

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about recognizing what's going to be considered farm exempt.

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and that first step is 40 acres in contiguous agricultural production. Here

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the acreage probably isn't 40 acres total in terms of pure what you would

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think of pure agricultural activity you know corn, beans, whatever it has been in

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the past but that section of state code, Iowa Code 335 acknowledges not just

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agricultural activity, but actively manage timber. I think if there's a discussion argument to be had,

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it's about maybe we need to change how we look at legitimate farm operations versus just

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what somebody has is maybe in production and rented by someone else, and their name's just

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on the title and that's a as a can of worms as far as the farm exemption goes that you know is

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has been in state code since we've enabled zoning in Iowa so I think just having A2 it's a way to

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kind of you know balance like you said that agriculture but also the interests of the

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property owner but also a way for us to I guess allow development a limited development

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to occur in areas that aren't designated by our regional comprehensive plan as

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you know potential for residential development like residential subdivisions

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around you know Dubuque, Asbury you know it extends for four or five miles out

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you have this R1 rural residential zone R2 even for a lot of it to

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accommodate density out in these other areas our comprehensive plan doesn't

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really show anything for any kind of residential development.

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So I think case by case, we can look at does that A2 really conflict with what our comprehensive

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plan identifies and look at it case by case to say hopefully the intentions of the applicant

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are to live in this area, maintain their source of generational wealth.

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wealth. A lot of that generational wealth comes from the land that they own. It's one

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of the more limited resources that a lot of people don't acknowledge. Land is one of the

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more limited resources we have in terms of what somebody has versus have nots. People

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have that. That's getting closer and closer to being all you have.

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I think noting that

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there needs to be a balance like I think you're right so you know but case by

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case we'll try to look at it and have that balance in mind. Thank you Ben. You're

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welcome. We have a motion in a second to approve the rezoning all in favor

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signify by aye. One more comment up here from Shairana. Between the board. Okay

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let's check them. Thanks. The public hearing is closed. All right.

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The motion is

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Second.

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I.

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I.

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I

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have a motion to second.

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It is approved.

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All in favor, aye.

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I.

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I make a motion to suspend the requirements that the amendment be considered and voted

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on for passage of two prior meetings.

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Second.

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I have a motion and a second to suspend the requirements.

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All in favor, signify by aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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I make a motion that the amendment be adopted and that the zoning administrator

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be directed to enter the appropriate changes on the official zoning map and that

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the order to be directed to arrange for the publication of the amendment and the portion

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of the official zoning map as amended in the official county newspapers as required

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by law.

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Second.

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The motion and the second that the amendment be adopted, all in favor signify by ayes.

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All right.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Gary, thank you, Ben.

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Welcome.

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To go to the approval of Platt, we have a resolution to approve the final Platt

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of Mallory estates number three, Ben.

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Okay, so Platt of Survey of Lot 1 through Lot 12 of Melloray Estates number three.

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This is located in Vernon Township, Dubuque County.

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It's basically a replat of an existing survey.

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So this subdivision was lots of 1 through 11 of Melloray Estates number two, and then

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there was an additional lot two of the southeast quarter.

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The southeast quarter is now going to be called Lot 12, or Lot 12, excuse me.

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So

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yeah, that longer parcel on the

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The east side there technically was not part of the subdivision the owner is I believe looking to build a house

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So there's actually if you look at the zoning designation. It's got a one on top then are two

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Or a one in the middle and then our two arts some are two around that maybe I'm wrong

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So he's getting an entrance off of Abbey Circle, and I think in order to do that, they just said you're going to become part of our subdivision now.

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All parties are agreeable on this, but full disclosure, we're missing just one sign off from a mortgage holder for one of the lots.

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I'm not sure which one.

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State Code 354, which governs how subdivisions are surveyed and recorded and, you know, considered

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for approval by the governing body.

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When a Plata Survey is submitted, our governing body, all it says is our governing body, in

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our case the Board of Supervisors, has 60 days to take action on approval, denial.

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So this has been a lot longer than 60 days.

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What we've done as a policy is waited until we have all the signatures from

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county staff and then any interested parties.

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So it hasn't been prepared with the owner's consent, any lead holders

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consent, need an attorney's opinion, and so on and so on.

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Basically these plots just kind of sit in our office.

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I've sat in the zoning office for weeks or months

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just waiting for these signatures. And our action kind of falls outside of those requirements

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for state code. But it's one of those things where maybe we just wait until, I think it's

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prudent to wait until everything's submitted before we bring it forward. But in this case,

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the applicants requested that we put this on your agenda and have a resolution for

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approval considered. So I think in this case, if we get a motion to approve, it'll go with

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the file but we'll still be waiting on a signature. So what needs to be determined is when those

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folks get that signature, are they coming here or are they coming back? Do we take this

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back to the zoning office and wait for them to give it there and then bring it back?

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So just to let you know, us approving a resolution doesn't conflict with any part

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of state code or our own ordinances. I think it's just kind of been a policy for us to wait

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for all the attachments to be completed before we bring it forward to the supervisors and then

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eventually auditors and recorders attest and get it recorded after that. So,

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but yeah I think it's pretty straightforward. No additional lots are being created for

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development but because there was a previous survey having occurred it does need to go

468
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,420
through the subdivision approval process.

469
00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:27,460
So what's the best process?

470
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:28,860
I mean, that's what you're really describing,

471
00:44:28,980 --> 00:44:30,660
is that we've done it this way.

472
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:31,360
Yeah.

473
00:44:31,420 --> 00:44:34,020
And are you beginning a new process?

474
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:35,180
No.

475
00:44:35,420 --> 00:44:42,140
It just, I think the proprietors requested that we move forward

476
00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:45,120
and we'll just continue waiting for this one lender

477
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,300
to get their stuff together.

478
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:48,960
How long have we been waiting?

479
00:44:49,260 --> 00:44:49,820
When's the last time?

480
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:50,740
This was some...

481
00:44:50,740 --> 00:44:51,520
I checked with them.

482
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:59,280
This signature or the Plata survey was signed on March 24th this year, so it's approaching a

483
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:09,840
I'm thinking in April at the top of my head. April 15th, the commission voted 7-0 to approve

484
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:16,360
the plait. Since Arizona commission has acted, it's been waiting for those bank signatures.

485
00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:21,480
Because each bank might have a different lender, or each lot, they might have the same lender,

486
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:29,500
but each lot needs a separate sign-off. So, yeah, we're just waiting on one more lender

487
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:34,460
to sign for one of those lots before this can be recorded.

488
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:40,600
But I'm not understanding why you're bringing it to us with a recommendation that we approve

489
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,860
this when it hasn't completed the process.

490
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:50,900
Right. I think just because there's nothing in state code or our own ordinance that

491
00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:57,120
That limits us from moving on to this step because it's going to, you're going to take

492
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,060
it to the, let's say we get the resolution of approval.

493
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:05,700
We take it to the recorder's office and they're going to see, well, lots, I don't know which

494
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:06,260
lot it is.

495
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,060
It's one of the lots.

496
00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:11,120
I'd have to flip through and find it, but like, we're missing a, we're missing the

497
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:16,740
bank signature for lot five, let's say, and it's just not going to get recorded,

498
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,080
but we still got the resolution.

499
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:26,980
It's off of our, you know, our zoning commission, you know, list of tasks or our zoning department's list of tasks to try and do, you know.

500
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,020
So it was at the proprietor's request.

501
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:37,020
So, you know, I guess it's your prerogative if you do or don't want to move forward with it, but I don't think it.

502
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,680
So we discussed this at a couple of meetings before you were here, Ben.

503
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:45,580
And with all of that said, and where we're at right now, I would make a motion to approve

504
00:46:45,580 --> 00:46:50,440
the resolution to approve the final plot of Mallory Estates, number three.

505
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:57,660
I will second that, time to keep it moving forward, hopefully, and get things moving.

506
00:46:58,540 --> 00:47:02,140
If I might, though, what's going to happen is you're going to hope that the recorder

507
00:47:02,140 --> 00:47:05,760
catches this, or you're going to have a title opinion problem going forward in

508
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:06,160
the future.

509
00:47:06,660 --> 00:47:09,160
So that's why I'm asking, is it a process?

510
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,880
Is it a change to a process or is it just because somebody asked for an exception?

511
00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:18,460
All good answers, but I think finding the way that everyone can duplicate and go forward

512
00:47:18,460 --> 00:47:21,600
because that's how we do it is the best process.

513
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:27,920
Iowa has title opinions that keep our land records exceptionally clean compared to any

514
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,940
other state in the country.

515
00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:31,100
I know that from what I practice law.

516
00:47:31,780 --> 00:47:35,980
So saying it's a muckety muck, we should go ahead because we want it off our plate

517
00:47:35,980 --> 00:47:37,160
because you want it off your plate.

518
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,660
I don't know that that's a good rationale.

519
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:42,160
I think it goes to the auditor first, doesn't it?

520
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:43,700
A plate of survey.

521
00:47:45,060 --> 00:47:46,400
After you guys approve it.

522
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,560
You figure out what you might need to sign in.

523
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:51,880
Right.

524
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,600
And then it would go to the recorder.

525
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:04,940
So eventually we have to be deciding who's going to hold it up,

526
00:48:04,940 --> 00:48:09,640
or who's going to make sure that the process is completed with the tiniest of details

527
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,280
because we're talking about land records as well.

528
00:48:12,780 --> 00:48:14,800
So that will be the basis for my vote, no.

529
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:15,320
Okay.

530
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,840
I think our auditor is aware of what's going on.

531
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:22,820
He would make sure it's completed before it would go to the...

532
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:24,080
Yeah.

533
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,060
And I think I wanted to make it clear that that's why this is coming forward.

534
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,740
If they hadn't called to ask us to get that resolution, it would have still been

535
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:33,940
sitting on our shelves.

536
00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:43,080
And so I think with subdivision plots that the Board of Supervisors approves or denies

537
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:49,680
for whatever reason, you can also extend by agreement that period of approval or that

538
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:50,640
period of consideration.

539
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:57,460
So if there's a subdivision that we're looking at and folks are having second thoughts

540
00:48:57,460 --> 00:49:06,040
or the board has concerned and we're coming up to that 60-day action period, that's something

541
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,540
that the board of supervisors can kind of hold in their pocket and say, we've got some concerns,

542
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:16,720
things aren't being addressed, we'd like to extend this action period and come to

543
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:22,800
that agreement with a developer or an owner and hopefully they are agreeable because

544
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,800
if they're not, you can just say, well, our concerns aren't being addressed so

545
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,300
So we'll just recommend denial in that case.

546
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,580
I'm not saying that's what should happen here.

547
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:33,860
It's just something that the proprietors requested.

548
00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:36,740
And I'm like, okay, we'll see what the supervisors say.

549
00:49:36,860 --> 00:49:38,760
But because we're all aware of it now,

550
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:42,320
I think, and it's not in anybody's interest

551
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,580
to just put this on the agenda

552
00:49:43,580 --> 00:49:46,420
and trust that somebody down the line

553
00:49:46,420 --> 00:49:48,760
or at the end of the line is gonna catch

554
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:50,520
something that's missing.

555
00:49:51,260 --> 00:49:54,600
But I guess we're aware

556
00:49:54,600 --> 00:50:09,760
And we just want to do, you know, provide that service to the applicant when they want to try to move forward in every instance, because it could be they get the signature tomorrow, but we're waiting another, you know, two weeks for the next supervisors meeting.

557
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,620
So what's another two weeks compared to eight months though.

558
00:50:14,620 --> 00:50:18,880
So, there's another perspective, I think, so.

559
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:24,940
I haven't seen one this far behind since I've been here, which is five years, I think it's

560
00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:29,300
very, it doesn't happen very often, let's put it that way.

561
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,020
And I think, yeah, you're usually thinking about land divisions where you're going to

562
00:50:33,020 --> 00:50:37,680
have, for a subdivision, you're going to have, the acreage hasn't been split technically,

563
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:44,420
so you've only had to deal with one lender versus 12 different ones, so the complications

564
00:50:44,420 --> 00:50:49,240
is a bit understandable, but it would be nice to see all their ducks in a row, but so this

565
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:49,940
was at their request.

566
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:50,920
Okay.

567
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:56,820
I have a motion and a second to approve the final plow out of Mallory Estates, number three.

568
00:50:57,500 --> 00:50:58,880
All in favor signify by aye.

569
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,040
Aye.

570
00:51:00,660 --> 00:51:00,960
Aye.

571
00:51:01,340 --> 00:51:02,200
All opposed, nay.

572
00:51:02,540 --> 00:51:02,840
Nay.

573
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:04,580
Good.

574
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:05,620
Thanks, ma'am.

575
00:51:05,820 --> 00:51:06,080
Thank you.

576
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,660
I'll go on to our action items, the resolution to approve the hiring of deputies, assistants

577
00:51:11,660 --> 00:51:12,500
and clerks.

578
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:21,550
I believe there was secondary roads, full-time maintenance person, Sunnycrest, full-time LPN,

579
00:51:22,290 --> 00:51:27,450
IT, permanent full-time operations manager, and chair, full-time correction officer.

580
00:51:28,610 --> 00:51:33,370
Motion to approve the hiring of deputies, assistants, and clerks.

581
00:51:33,490 --> 00:51:33,750
Second.

582
00:51:34,650 --> 00:51:38,410
Motion and a second to approve the hiring of deputies, assistants, and clerks.

583
00:51:38,410 --> 00:51:39,850
All in favor signify by aye.

584
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:40,290
Aye.

585
00:51:40,610 --> 00:51:40,930
Aye.

586
00:51:41,310 --> 00:51:41,550
Aye.

587
00:51:41,550 --> 00:51:47,730
Next, we have a resolution to approve the 2080 sharing agreement with Clinton County for the county engineering services.

588
00:51:48,010 --> 00:51:48,450
Discussion.

589
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:50,270
Good.

590
00:51:51,570 --> 00:52:01,530
Does anyone know if the county attorney has reviewed this? In our minutes, we say in our minutes that we, as was accurately asked, that the county attorney reviewed this.

591
00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:15,720
It just stays red.

592
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:16,520
Okay.

593
00:52:17,220 --> 00:52:19,300
Nope. Get it one more time.

594
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:20,020
Who is not?

595
00:52:20,380 --> 00:52:21,100
No, I should be.

596
00:52:21,620 --> 00:52:22,920
Chelsea Green, HR director.

597
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,700
The county attorney has not reviewed the 28E agreement.

598
00:52:26,980 --> 00:52:30,460
If there's any specific legal questions, he will review those questions.

599
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:31,600
To

600
00:52:37,970 --> 00:52:44,820
approve the resolution of the 28E agreement with Clinton County for the county engineer

601
00:52:44,820 --> 00:52:45,480
services.

602
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:50,680
I will second that with discussion.

603
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:55,660
The 28E that we have with Clinton County is similar to the one that we had with

604
00:52:55,660 --> 00:52:56,620
Delaware county, correct?

605
00:52:59,970 --> 00:53:00,150
Russ?

606
00:53:00,750 --> 00:53:01,250
It's...

607
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:09,230
So we're asking our county engineer to give us a legal opinion.

608
00:53:09,650 --> 00:53:10,670
Is it similar enough?

609
00:53:11,890 --> 00:53:15,610
I haven't reviewed them side by side.

610
00:53:15,810 --> 00:53:18,350
I know we had two with Anthony.

611
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:21,310
One was an hourly rate as is interim,

612
00:53:21,810 --> 00:53:23,610
and then a different one as is shared.

613
00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:27,910
And many of these agreements are like templated agreements

614
00:53:28,530 --> 00:53:32,350
that each county kind of uses and slices and dices

615
00:53:32,350 --> 00:53:33,650
to make their own.

616
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:38,090
So, this one's no different than, but very similar.

617
00:53:39,310 --> 00:53:41,010
You're comfortable with it.

618
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:44,290
Oh, yeah, I recommend this, approving this one.

619
00:53:44,730 --> 00:53:48,510
Is it because we have no choice? Is that why you're comfortable with it?

620
00:53:49,650 --> 00:53:53,890
It's a good 28e agreement and it's our best path forward.

621
00:53:54,510 --> 00:53:58,070
Because otherwise we're going to be violating the law come December 1st.

622
00:53:59,310 --> 00:54:07,870
Yeah, it's it's we needed a county engineer in place by December 2nd and I think further no

623
00:54:07,870 --> 00:54:13,050
Have a motion in a second to approve the 28e sharing agreement with Clinton County for the county

624
00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:15,630
engineering services all in favor signify by I

625
00:54:19,210 --> 00:54:24,230
I'll oppose and that day thank you rough

626
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:29,210
I have resolution to authorize the chairperson to sign the meth camp award notice

627
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:31,590
That's for the task force.

628
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:33,590
Motion to approve.

629
00:54:34,330 --> 00:54:38,730
A motion and a second to authorize the chair to sign the meth camp award notice.

630
00:54:38,850 --> 00:54:40,170
All in favor signify by aye.

631
00:54:40,330 --> 00:54:40,570
Aye.

632
00:54:41,370 --> 00:54:41,610
Aye.

633
00:54:42,090 --> 00:54:46,590
Next we have a resolution to authorize the chairperson to sign the anti-heroine grant award notice.

634
00:54:46,890 --> 00:54:47,630
Motion to approve.

635
00:54:48,030 --> 00:54:48,390
Second.

636
00:54:48,790 --> 00:54:53,310
A motion and a second to authorize the chair to sign the anti-heroine grant award notice.

637
00:54:53,410 --> 00:54:54,770
All in favor signify by aye.

638
00:54:54,990 --> 00:54:55,230
Aye.

639
00:54:55,410 --> 00:54:55,650
Aye.

640
00:54:56,070 --> 00:54:56,230
Aye.

641
00:54:56,770 --> 00:55:00,970
Next we have Resolution to approve entering into a contract with Managed Solutions Group

642
00:55:00,970 --> 00:55:02,990
for the Dubuque County Teams Phone Project.

643
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:05,770
I have a question, who submitted the resolution?

644
00:55:06,690 --> 00:55:07,310
Who is this from?

645
00:55:07,530 --> 00:55:07,690
IT?

646
00:55:08,250 --> 00:55:11,630
It's from Jared, our IT director, and we didn't make any changes.

647
00:55:11,770 --> 00:55:13,050
This is exactly what he's submitted.

648
00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:15,710
Motion to approve.

649
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:16,430
Second.

650
00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:20,030
The motion is second to approve entering into a contract with Managed Solutions

651
00:55:20,030 --> 00:55:22,350
Group for the Dubuque County Teams Phone Project.

652
00:55:22,810 --> 00:55:23,870
All in favor signify.

653
00:55:24,110 --> 00:55:24,270
Hi.

654
00:55:25,390 --> 00:55:25,690
Hi.

655
00:55:25,690 --> 00:55:31,190
Hi. Next we have Resolution Approving Amendment Number Two for the City of Piazza Swap Agreement

656
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:40,330
31-23-POS-SWAP-Piazza. That's for an extension for the swap.

657
00:55:40,930 --> 00:55:47,090
Right. And I have historically been difficult about extensions for swap because that money

658
00:55:47,090 --> 00:55:55,990
was from the Biden administration to do emergency assistance to communities after the pandemic.

659
00:55:57,230 --> 00:56:07,470
And this was a very large grant to Piazza from those funds, very large. And we're just simply

660
00:56:07,470 --> 00:56:13,710
at 5,000, I believe. Yeah, that's a huge amount of money. That was the last award that was given.

661
00:56:13,710 --> 00:56:17,090
I mean, I wouldn't mind having them come in and tell us about it.

662
00:56:17,410 --> 00:56:22,470
What the progress is, what the holdup is, I mean, certainly I've given SILT difficulty

663
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:27,370
on Sustainable Iowa Land Trust, something that I completely and totally agree with.

664
00:56:27,810 --> 00:56:32,030
But I think there's oversight here, and I know Ed's going to come and tell us that

665
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:36,950
he's talked to them and everything's fine, but honestly, they should be here asking

666
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:38,150
us for this extension.

667
00:56:38,970 --> 00:56:44,870
I had talked to Russ. He had contacted me. I assume that he had contacted my colleagues

668
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:45,270
also.

669
00:56:47,850 --> 00:56:51,210
Good morning, Ed Raver, Planning and Development

670
00:56:51,210 --> 00:56:58,350
Director. The city staff at the city of Piazza had contacted me a couple of weeks ago about

671
00:56:58,350 --> 00:57:04,150
this. As we worked through this, the city council in Piazza was taking some efforts

672
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:09,610
and based on how that outcome they were, if they decided to, that they wanted to move forward

673
00:57:09,610 --> 00:57:16,490
with their pavilion, it came in over budget and so they've had to spend some time this summer

674
00:57:17,410 --> 00:57:22,450
reevaluating that, doing some value engineering and kind of rethinking the project itself

675
00:57:23,490 --> 00:57:26,690
and doing some fundraising to make sure that they were going to be able to

676
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:32,950
match whatever that was. So this is their request. The mayor has a different day job

677
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:39,890
and was not able to be here. But, you know, if you would like them to come in and give

678
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:47,170
you something else, I guess that's fine. It's been a project. I've said this before.

679
00:57:47,290 --> 00:57:51,850
It's not a project that's particularly lingered. They've continued to submit things throughout

680
00:57:51,850 --> 00:57:58,510
this fiscal year, calendar year. And it's just this last bit, trying to get this

681
00:57:58,510 --> 00:58:00,270
across the line has taken them.

682
00:58:00,270 --> 00:58:04,890
they build us and take in this money already, the project exceeds the value of the grant

683
00:58:04,890 --> 00:58:05,490
we gave them?

684
00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:06,810
It does.

685
00:58:08,330 --> 00:58:09,590
Why haven't they closed this?

686
00:58:09,790 --> 00:58:14,150
The reason that they haven't closed it is that the way that their proposal came in and

687
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:21,090
the way their agreement is stated, we are only paying off, paying a portion.

688
00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:23,630
I think it's 49 percent of their grant.

689
00:58:23,630 --> 00:58:31,170
So although they have done hundreds of thousands of dollars project it's authorized we only

690
00:58:31,170 --> 00:58:36,530
were reimbursed them for 49 percent so not all the agreements are written the same this is the way

691
00:58:36,530 --> 00:58:41,710
that theirs was as a sort of a cost-sharing they're paying some we're paying some of each of the

692
00:58:41,710 --> 00:58:46,870
invoices so that's excellent question supervisor mcdonough but that's the reason right but

693
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:51,670
you don't have a vote in this matter Ed and so when the city contacts you in the chair

694
00:58:52,250 --> 00:58:53,690
then I have no information.

695
00:58:54,210 --> 00:58:56,050
Well, the information is in the packet

696
00:58:56,050 --> 00:58:56,990
if you would like some more.

697
00:58:57,410 --> 00:58:59,270
I'd like to have them be here and explain.

698
00:58:59,690 --> 00:59:00,490
Any calling on the phone.

699
00:59:00,670 --> 00:59:03,110
So very large right, for which we take practice.

700
00:59:04,990 --> 00:59:10,970
So the mayor, Russ Fahm, provided us with information

701
00:59:10,970 --> 00:59:12,730
and it's included in the packet here.

702
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:20,930
It's not asking to go outside of what we've done before

703
00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:29,670
and, you know, I don't know any reason to scrutinize this particular request.

704
00:59:30,810 --> 00:59:35,270
They're not asking for additional funds, they're simply saying that, you know, things didn't

705
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:41,950
work out exactly as they planned and they need to extend or would like to extend this.

706
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:48,670
So I don't know, unless there's anything else, I'll make a motion to approve the

707
00:59:48,670 --> 00:59:54,990
resolution to amend number two for city of Piazza swap agreement so I do have

708
00:59:54,990 --> 00:59:59,970
something else which is that I have been consistent on these requests I'm

709
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,680
I'm sure you would agree on that, and that I have been consistent on the request for extensions

710
01:00:06,220 --> 01:00:12,140
that money was intended to be spent on urgent matter, and the city of Piazza told us they

711
01:00:12,140 --> 01:00:19,440
could get this done. So, that's a persistent concern that I have that we haven't been spending

712
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:24,620
the funding. We've been holding it for many people while they try to get their things

713
01:00:24,620 --> 01:00:30,680
arranged that's counter to what that agreement was with the Biden administration. So if we're

714
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:35,900
going to take this vote, I just think I need to know I'm not singling anyone out. I have been

715
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:40,440
consistent about that request. I believe if I'm not mistaken Ed that the ARPA funds were intended

716
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:45,860
to be allocated by the end of 24 and the projects had to be completed by the end of 26.

717
01:00:46,620 --> 01:00:52,360
I also understand that this is part of the 10 million dollars that was swapped over or call

718
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,940
it whatever to the county and did not necessarily have to file all the all the requirements so

719
01:00:56,940 --> 01:01:04,260
you know there's probably hundreds of thousands of dollars that are still not spent but following

720
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:13,520
the guidelines that were put forward by the Biden administration so if this was after 2026

721
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:19,340
we might need to rethink this a little bit but we're within the guidelines you know we

722
01:01:19,340 --> 01:01:25,760
don't rewrite the guidelines every time one of these things come up because we have opinions.

723
01:01:26,260 --> 01:01:28,120
So my motion stands.

724
01:01:29,060 --> 01:01:31,420
So my opinions matter, right?

725
01:01:32,260 --> 01:01:36,280
So when we keep talking about opinions and opinions, I'm a decider.

726
01:01:37,100 --> 01:01:38,940
I'm a person who makes the decision.

727
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:44,420
I'm one of the folks at this board, you are not, who made the decision to make this

728
01:01:44,420 --> 01:01:45,220
award to them.

729
01:01:45,220 --> 01:01:52,560
So what was said and to whom that conversation went is different than you will ever know because you weren't here at this time

730
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:57,600
I believe I attended the comedians for three years before I became a supervisor. So I probably listened to it

731
01:01:58,340 --> 01:02:02,260
So that's my concern and they are concerned not opinions

732
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,580
But I will be joining on this. I don't have a problem with this

733
01:02:06,580 --> 01:02:10,700
But I have been consistent and I don't like to have that be minimized

734
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,020
And I understand that I am going to second

735
01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:20,220
The motion to approve the amendment for Piazza because obviously

736
01:02:21,940 --> 01:02:24,620
Things came in over budget they re-engineered it

737
01:02:24,620 --> 01:02:30,040
They're getting it down to where they can get it done for the cost that they had initially put in for

738
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,340
So they're working to do it right and it just takes time. I understand so

739
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:42,520
In motion in a second to approve amendment number two for the city of Piazza swap agreement all in favor signify but hi. Hi

740
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:49,180
Then we have a resolution to approve ending the subsidy of the annual dues to ECIA for

741
01:02:49,180 --> 01:02:54,740
the 21 incorporated cities in Dubuque County for fiscal year 27, and that has been something

742
01:02:54,740 --> 01:02:59,240
we've talked about for quite a while, and it's finally just going to be in resolution,

743
01:02:59,540 --> 01:02:59,660
right?

744
01:03:00,220 --> 01:03:00,360
Yeah.

745
01:03:00,620 --> 01:03:09,980
So, Ed Raver again, among your staff team at your last meeting, I think Supervisor

746
01:03:09,980 --> 01:03:16,120
Jennifer Kinnecker had made a comment that you guys had some consensus about not doing

747
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:21,420
that in the past. Working with the auditor staff, we kind of reviewed some tape and tried

748
01:03:21,420 --> 01:03:28,200
to figure that out. And it seems as we've talked to a couple of you that maybe you do

749
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:33,340
all have that. We weren't really sure that we could exactly find that. And we've,

750
01:03:33,730 --> 01:03:37,680
in talking with Harley just a little bit, it seemed like maybe having a resolution

751
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:43,720
that actually said that would be helpful, not just to you, but to those cities as they

752
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:50,500
prepare their budgets. We've been in communication with ECIA as well, just to make sure that

753
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:54,440
that includes Megan Bonner, who does a lot of interaction with the small cities in preparing

754
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:59,840
their budgets. So, really appreciate Megan's input on pulling that together. Again,

755
01:04:00,740 --> 01:04:07,320
I don't think that anyone was intending that this is a poke at ECIA. In fact,

756
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:13,880
the resolution sort of reflects that we value them, but the reason for the subsidy is probably

757
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:19,680
eclipsed some time ago, and we're encouraging all those cities to continue to do that, and

758
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,780
this would be just simply revenue neutral to the organization ECIA.

759
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,240
But would help say this is when we decided to do that.

760
01:04:29,220 --> 01:04:30,200
Motion to approve?

761
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:34,200
I'll second.

762
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,580
I have a motion and a second to approve ending the subsidy of the annual dues to

763
01:04:38,580 --> 01:04:43,200
for the 21 Incorporated Cities in Dubuque County for fiscal year 27.

764
01:04:43,700 --> 01:04:45,220
All in favor signify by aye.

765
01:04:46,380 --> 01:04:46,860
Aye.

766
01:04:47,500 --> 01:04:47,820
Aye.

767
01:04:48,460 --> 01:04:49,200
Opposed, nay.

768
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:49,780
Nay.

769
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,400
That's why you didn't find it, Ed.

770
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:57,960
It was always just discussion.

771
01:04:58,400 --> 01:04:58,760
Right.

772
01:04:59,180 --> 01:05:03,220
And so this, thank you for hoping, whatever you wanted to do,

773
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:04,840
it was fine with us, but we just wanted to, like,

774
01:05:05,340 --> 01:05:10,180
go to communications.

775
01:05:10,180 --> 01:05:17,100
We have a notification of the AP AI program award that went to our county secondary roads

776
01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:18,480
department.

777
01:05:20,690 --> 01:05:27,030
Awards recognized quality paving done in the state of Iowa and congratulates our secondary

778
01:05:27,030 --> 01:05:29,230
roads and our engineer for that.

779
01:05:29,470 --> 01:05:32,370
And I would like to personally congratulate him myself.

780
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:33,890
So thank you, Russ.

781
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:41,180
We have a fairly consolidated industrial commercial urban renewal areas amendment

782
01:05:41,180 --> 01:05:47,300
Center for Rural Affairs, Renewable Energy Development, Representative from Senator Grassley's

783
01:05:47,300 --> 01:05:48,780
office visiting the courthouse.

784
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:56,180
Thank you, Motion. I'd like to pull A out, which is a notification of an APAI program

785
01:05:56,180 --> 01:06:01,180
award. I don't believe that's the same as some of these other routine communications.

786
01:06:02,940 --> 01:06:09,640
This is an award to our engineering department, and I would ask that Russell come to the

787
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:15,000
podium if the chair is familiar, okay with that. And then talk about the award.

788
01:06:17,150 --> 01:06:17,430
I don't

789
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:20,470
believe you're going to be able to go to Des Moines to receive it because you will no

790
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:21,890
longer be in the employee of the county.

791
01:06:24,490 --> 01:06:26,850
Yeah, so we just got notification on the

792
01:06:26,850 --> 01:06:33,690
12th of December that we received the county engineer department of the year award, which

793
01:06:33,690 --> 01:06:41,470
is a good win for our department. Things they've evaluated as quality and quantity

794
01:06:41,470 --> 01:06:45,950
of work and consistency, and we fit that criteria.

795
01:06:47,010 --> 01:06:48,750
We were also contractor nominated.

796
01:06:49,350 --> 01:06:53,790
Some departments filled this application out themselves.

797
01:06:54,010 --> 01:06:54,510
We did not.

798
01:06:54,810 --> 01:06:56,550
We were nominated by our contractor

799
01:06:56,550 --> 01:06:59,490
so that I think that speaks volumes as well.

800
01:06:59,670 --> 01:07:02,530
So very proud of this and I wanted to make you all aware.

801
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:05,130
Yes, it's on December 11th.

802
01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:06,710
Hopefully we're gonna send some staff down.

803
01:07:07,330 --> 01:07:10,770
Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend, but yeah.

804
01:07:10,770 --> 01:07:17,210
Yeah, we did receive this award once before in 2016, so it's nice to bring it back to

805
01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:17,670
the new county.

806
01:07:18,050 --> 01:07:20,510
So if you have any other questions, be happy to answer them.

807
01:07:20,990 --> 01:07:27,810
I just want to congratulate you and I admire very much how you always share with your whole

808
01:07:27,810 --> 01:07:29,790
team and the work that you receive.

809
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:34,590
I understand it's for the engineering department, but you always have done that and you will

810
01:07:34,590 --> 01:07:35,590
be greatly missed, Russell.

811
01:07:35,690 --> 01:07:39,070
This is the last meeting that you will be here as our county engineer.

812
01:07:39,070 --> 01:07:45,890
So thank you, and I think it's very fitting that the state recognizes and all of your colleagues

813
01:07:45,890 --> 01:07:51,230
in your professional network recognize the great job that you've done for Dubuque counties.

814
01:07:51,230 --> 01:07:51,850
So thank you.

815
01:07:52,190 --> 01:07:52,470
Thank you.

816
01:07:53,810 --> 01:07:54,370
Congratulations.

817
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:55,170
Thank you.

818
01:07:59,320 --> 01:07:59,820
Okay.

819
01:07:59,860 --> 01:08:03,420
We'll go to your appointments or open vacancies for information.

820
01:08:03,420 --> 01:08:10,980
One point, Communication D, the representative of Senator Grassley's office visiting the

821
01:08:10,980 --> 01:08:11,340
courthouse.

822
01:08:12,700 --> 01:08:20,240
It's pretty tough to have someone like that here and not discuss county business.

823
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,480
So will that just be-

824
01:08:23,480 --> 01:08:24,740
It's just staff that comes.

825
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:26,780
It's for sure.

826
01:08:26,980 --> 01:08:27,220
Yeah.

827
01:08:27,460 --> 01:08:31,000
I'm not, yeah, I'm not talking about who's coming.

828
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,640
I mean, I didn't anticipate Grassley to be in here.

829
01:08:33,740 --> 01:08:35,840
I anticipated someone being here

830
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,820
that would be talking about county issues.

831
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,800
And we've recently had that discussion.

832
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,360
Our concerns were brought forward

833
01:08:45,100 --> 01:08:47,560
regarding open meeting rules laws.

834
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,560
And I was just curious whether we all three

835
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,720
were going to be here and have discussions

836
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,700
about county and is that appropriate?

837
01:08:58,100 --> 01:08:59,640
We can all three be here,

838
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:05,900
but we cannot discuss county issues among ourselves. I mean if you want to discuss it with Rochelle.

839
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:10,200
That's good. As long as we're not, and that's consistent with other meetings that we go through

840
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,940
as well. Sounds good. I think members of the public as well, if there are members of the public

841
01:09:13,940 --> 01:09:20,340
who wish to have opportunity to speak with a representative of Senator Grassley's office,

842
01:09:20,460 --> 01:09:23,640
they might have some things that they would like to share about whether or not

843
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:28,600
Senator Grassley understands the Constitution, for instance, which I have raised privately

844
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:37,040
with Rachelle. That is on December 1st from 3 to 4 3rd. We'll be in our next

845
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:42,640
meeting. The afternoon of our next meeting. Thank you for drawing everyone's

846
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:43,400
attention to that.

847
01:09:45,940 --> 01:09:50,840
Supervisors, boards and commissions updates. Ann, you start. I

848
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,020
think I've attended all the same meetings you all have. I think I've

849
01:09:54,020 --> 01:09:58,580
done anything that at least one of you hasn't been present except probably the

850
01:09:58,580 --> 01:10:07,870
ports, the ports of eastern Iowa have, I attend that, I think you're at DMADS, right?

851
01:10:09,050 --> 01:10:13,630
Yeah, you're at the DMADS meeting, which was mostly city of Dubuque issues.

852
01:10:14,150 --> 01:10:18,030
It was just us watching the city of Dubuque put together their information for their long-term

853
01:10:18,030 --> 01:10:25,740
strategies. Good information for sure. The ports authority, there's going to be

854
01:10:25,740 --> 01:10:30,820
big news breaking about national and international conference that's going to feature the

855
01:10:31,620 --> 01:10:34,320
Hopefully that will come and we can actually talk about it.

856
01:10:34,780 --> 01:10:42,260
But that's the new issue that we're going to be working on, is getting ready for this opportunity.

857
01:10:42,900 --> 01:10:46,060
I'm trying to have them include Dubuque and include the field of dreams,

858
01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:50,140
but it looks like it's going to be probably Quad Cities focused,

859
01:10:50,820 --> 01:10:57,260
and they've been in touch with those tourism resources instead of travel Dubuque.

860
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:06,720
So anything I get to do to drive that, the City of Dubuque, I sit on this because I'm a supervisor,

861
01:11:07,140 --> 01:11:12,280
but the real work is between the City of Dubuque and the City of Dan and Port.

862
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,000
So did you understand what I'm saying?

863
01:11:14,580 --> 01:11:24,170
Right, so that's one of those boards that I'm on, but it's really the City of Dubuque focus I would say for the Port.

864
01:11:24,170 --> 01:11:28,070
But so that's an interesting board to be part of.

865
01:11:29,190 --> 01:11:33,110
That's the only, of course, the Board of Health meeting is this week.

866
01:11:37,810 --> 01:11:40,650
Not sure I have anything else to report that you wouldn't already know about.

867
01:11:41,670 --> 01:11:41,870
What?

868
01:11:42,290 --> 01:11:43,310
I have nothing to add.

869
01:11:44,910 --> 01:11:52,050
And the fifth, I went to the Farley City Council meeting with the sheriff, they awarded their

870
01:11:52,050 --> 01:11:59,650
chief, gave their chief an award for assisting the sheriff's office with the ATM jackpotting

871
01:12:00,270 --> 01:12:05,150
incident where they arrested some people, Farley assisted with that.

872
01:12:05,790 --> 01:12:08,530
It's great that everybody can work together and get things done like that.

873
01:12:08,530 --> 01:12:13,170
But did the ribbon cutting for the 9-1-1 center on the 6th?

874
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:14,150
Thank you for doing that.

875
01:12:14,730 --> 01:12:16,110
Thank you for doing that.

876
01:12:16,210 --> 01:12:16,970
I appreciate you being there.

877
01:12:17,230 --> 01:12:17,810
Great event.

878
01:12:18,170 --> 01:12:19,110
A lot of people there.

879
01:12:20,010 --> 01:12:21,950
It was good.

880
01:12:22,770 --> 01:12:29,850
The center should be up and running in probably a couple of weeks, Joe, two to three weeks.

881
01:12:30,930 --> 01:12:31,770
December 3rd?

882
01:12:32,110 --> 01:12:33,170
Well, that's awesome.

883
01:12:34,090 --> 01:12:39,910
Well, also the night of the 6th, I did the Veterans' Dinner at Steeple Square.

884
01:12:41,210 --> 01:12:45,530
Other than that, just a lot of meetings that either want to use were on also.

885
01:12:45,770 --> 01:12:47,410
So that's really about all I have.

886
01:12:50,380 --> 01:12:53,040
So we'll go to public comments, non-agenda items.

887
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:57,000
At this time, anyone may address the board on matters of which are concerned to that person

888
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,620
and which are not agenda items.

889
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,320
Please go to the podium, state your name and home address.

890
01:13:01,780 --> 01:13:04,200
Please be aware the board is limited in their ability

891
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,720
to respond to such inquiries and I will co-privilege support from

892
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,320
deliberating or acting on items not appearing on the agenda.

893
01:13:10,740 --> 01:13:14,080
Individual remarks are limited to three minutes. Do we have anyone in chambers

894
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,200
wishing to address the board?

895
01:13:25,820 --> 01:13:32,360
Hi my name is John Schiltz, live on Kinkalane is 21562

896
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:33,320
Kinkalane.

897
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,420
Schiltz has spelled S-C-H-I-E-L-T-E-Z.

898
01:13:42,270 --> 01:13:43,070
The board the reason

899
01:13:43,070 --> 01:13:52,170
why I'm here today is to address on Kinkal Lane. There is a bridge that needs to be replaced.

900
01:13:53,130 --> 01:14:00,370
It's deteriorated over the years with the weather conditions and how we had trenchable rainfall.

901
01:14:01,370 --> 01:14:08,350
It's very difficult to get in and from the residents. There's new residents to live on

902
01:14:08,350 --> 01:14:16,710
I've been in contact with the Dubuque County Engineer's Office addressing issues.

903
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:23,390
I was just seeing if there was anything that was on the books from your guys' standpoint

904
01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:32,330
of view that is being in the same alignment with Dubuque County Engineer person that

905
01:14:32,330 --> 01:14:33,630
that is address it with me,

906
01:14:34,090 --> 01:14:37,030
just if you guys are aware of the issue at hand.

907
01:14:38,590 --> 01:14:41,950
Dewey County Engineer Office has been very good with me

908
01:14:41,950 --> 01:14:43,770
on the phone, conversation, dialogue.

909
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:46,490
I was just seeing if anything's been addressed

910
01:14:46,490 --> 01:14:51,710
to you guys going forward on the replacement of the bridge.

911
01:14:52,410 --> 01:14:56,250
So we can come to and from our residents

912
01:14:56,250 --> 01:14:57,530
and that is anybody,

913
01:14:57,850 --> 01:14:59,630
any other public transportation that would.

914
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:11,680
Go on that. It's just not for myself or if anybody else, emergency personnel would have to get there, so everybody's safe coming and going from the residents. Thank you.

915
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:19,780
Thank you. Thank you. Do we have anyone else? I guess I do have a follow-up question maybe for Russell with the situation at hand.

916
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,620
It's public comment. It's not on the end.

917
01:15:23,620 --> 01:15:28,400
I believe you address questions as they come as well on past issues.

918
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,180
Discussion about something.

919
01:15:31,860 --> 01:15:37,380
This is the last opportunity that we probably have to talk about something that a concern was brought up.

920
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:43,280
You know, it's a matter of asking if there's a list of outstanding projects out there,

921
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:48,280
or do they just fall off the desk and now that the desk is changing,

922
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,340
Do those just go away?

923
01:15:50,820 --> 01:15:57,640
I think the public deserves better than them just falling into the circular file, and that's

924
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:58,240
my reason for that.

925
01:15:58,540 --> 01:16:04,200
The consensus that there would be a transfer of ongoing projects and concerns that was

926
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:11,080
discussed when he gave his resignation, that there would be a forthcoming course

927
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,940
and beyond a five-year program.

928
01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:17,420
And I've been told that the five-year project

929
01:16:17,420 --> 01:16:19,880
is for IDOT projects.

930
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:21,820
It's for IDOT projects.

931
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:24,840
We didn't necessarily see on our county website

932
01:16:25,260 --> 01:16:28,820
a five-year plan for anything beyond IDOT.

933
01:16:29,300 --> 01:16:31,480
So this location specifically,

934
01:16:31,940 --> 01:16:33,880
I've been in contact with John, he's well aware.

935
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,800
I think John just wants to make sure you're all aware.

936
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,560
So it's not dropped off, which I respect totally.

937
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:49,320
This is not a bridge. It is a drainage structure in a floodplain that has been deteriorated over the years and something that needs to be addressed.

938
01:16:50,540 --> 01:17:05,020
You will not find this on the five-year program simply because it is not a project. It is maintenance, and it would fall in line with our maintenance, miscellaneous maintenance culverts that you've seen throughout the years.

939
01:17:06,020 --> 01:17:08,640
this would just be another one to it.

940
01:17:08,820 --> 01:17:11,740
And then I explained to John that's how I see it going forward,

941
01:17:13,180 --> 01:17:17,760
being part of a group of other culverts that need to be replaced

942
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:22,840
in preparation of the five-year program or anything else that needs immediate attention.

943
01:17:23,180 --> 01:17:29,200
So there's maintenance projects that we need money for continuous maintenance of our roads

944
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:34,920
and structures as well as the five-year program which is a construction program

945
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:40,320
and that's why they're different. I guess I was thinking it was a bridge but it's

946
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:44,800
not a bridge. So it takes a lot of water I mean you could probably throw a

947
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:49,360
bridge in there. So how will these things be transitioned you know from you

948
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:55,960
to now that we've there's there's a lot of things actively going on. I said

949
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:57,320
No, it actually is a work session.

950
01:18:00,140 --> 01:18:03,680
We're just trying to clarify what's happening.

951
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,760
We had John bring up the point. Russ is leaving.

952
01:18:07,540 --> 01:18:09,540
I would assume that...

953
01:18:09,540 --> 01:18:10,580
The work session today?

954
01:18:11,620 --> 01:18:15,520
No, I'm saying you've now turned public comments into a work session.

955
01:18:15,780 --> 01:18:18,260
We are getting a little deep in the weeds for the public comments.

956
01:18:18,980 --> 01:18:23,480
But as long as we know that it's going to be forwarded to the incoming engineer,

957
01:18:23,660 --> 01:18:24,980
that's really, I guess, what we need to do.

958
01:18:24,980 --> 01:18:29,980
I'll do everything in my power raised by the incoming engineer who will now be the engineer for three counties

959
01:18:32,890 --> 01:18:34,890
How will he be an engineer for three counties?

960
01:18:37,220 --> 01:18:38,920
We don't have an interim engineer

961
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:44,500
Other than the one we just appointed and how will that person be an engineer for three counties?

962
01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:52,500
Is the 20th agreement not shared with Jackson Clinton and just Clinton just Clinton so two counties you and Clinton

963
01:18:55,170 --> 01:19:00,030
You're aware of it. Thanks. I'm aware of it. I'll get as much in front of them

964
01:19:00,030 --> 01:19:06,150
It's a lot. I mean, it's ongoing. So most of it, you will know what I understand. If not,

965
01:19:06,250 --> 01:19:12,190
we have good staff. They're well aware of the situations going forward. They can bring them

966
01:19:12,190 --> 01:19:18,430
up to speed as well. So between myself, the staff, prior knowledge, we'll get a lot of that taken

967
01:19:18,430 --> 01:19:25,190
care of. Okay. Thank you. Do we have anyone else in chambers wishing to address the board?

968
01:19:25,190 --> 01:19:26,030
Dave

969
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,760
Poles, 20331 Heartcrime Road, Sheryl, Iowa.

970
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:46,440
The last meeting there was a subject brought up about health, about the weeds being on the

971
01:19:46,440 --> 01:19:50,720
rural areas and the ditches that they have to make them people cut them because it was

972
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:51,360
a health problem.

973
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,940
I think that the big health problem like is on Grale Road is dust.

974
01:19:56,300 --> 01:19:58,620
That's every day we have to deal with that.

975
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,680
And it seems like there's no concern about that.

976
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:08,500
So we've had people that travel the road complain about it to me and because they know I come to these meetings and

977
01:20:08,500 --> 01:20:14,000
Unfortunately, and they're really concerned about that. You know, let's do something with the dust. You're worried about a weed

978
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,540
You know, it's probably a bigger hazard than a weed

979
01:20:17,220 --> 01:20:21,940
And another thing was people were this weekend were telling me in last weekend about the

980
01:20:21,940 --> 01:20:27,920
100,000 for the airport coming from the taxpayers. They're like why didn't the businesses supply that you know

981
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,360
Why should us taxpayers have to why do they always come up with money?

982
01:20:31,460 --> 01:20:36,680
They can take out their pocket for a hundred thousand here two hundred thousand there five hundred thousand here

983
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:43,600
You know, it's just like it shouldn't voted on is what they said being that was you know something for taxpayers

984
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:49,720
So that's kind of the concern that people have and they're not real happy with it. So just want to let you know. Thanks

985
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,460
Do you have anyone else in chambers wishing to address the bar?

986
01:20:55,980 --> 01:20:58,380
Seeing no one in chambers, do we have anyone online, Keith?

987
01:20:58,620 --> 01:20:59,180
No one online.

988
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:06,400
Let's recess for 10 minutes.

989
01:21:07,780 --> 01:21:11,240
I'd make a motion to recess until 1020.

990
01:21:12,260 --> 01:21:12,720
Second.

991
01:21:13,140 --> 01:21:15,580
A motion and a second to recess till 1020.

992
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:17,440
All in favor signify by aye.

993
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:17,860
Aye.

994
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:18,420
Aye.

995
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:20,800
We are in recess until 1020.

996
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:21,180
Thank you.

997
01:30:09,470 --> 01:30:14,570
Call the Board of Supervisors back into session. We'll go into our work sessions. We have discussion

998
01:30:15,150 --> 01:30:20,030
and possible action with Sheriff Kennedy regarding the Boyle order replacement project. Sheriff Kennedy.

999
01:30:24,110 --> 01:30:31,010
Morning. Thank you. As talked about during budget time, we had a issue with our boilers for several

1000
01:30:31,010 --> 01:30:34,870
years. We've kind of been putting the project off, trying to extend the life of the current

1001
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:40,770
boilers. It's gotten to the point where they need to be replaced. So we have been working

1002
01:30:40,770 --> 01:30:46,810
with Johnson Controls and the bids we were originally I think we were supposed to be

1003
01:30:46,810 --> 01:30:53,010
getting these bids back in like September I know I was on a little bit late so I

1004
01:30:53,010 --> 01:30:59,490
know somebody commented on you know the timing of doing the project you know I

1005
01:31:00,170 --> 01:31:04,490
think the bids were supposed to be back a couple months ago so that's why it

1006
01:31:04,490 --> 01:31:12,730
pushed into the winter. But anyway, we have the two different options that were provided

1007
01:31:12,730 --> 01:31:21,090
to us. One was a five boiler system and one was a two boiler system. In speaking with

1008
01:31:21,090 --> 01:31:28,150
the folks from Johnson Controls and asking what they thought using, obviously, I'm a

1009
01:31:28,150 --> 01:31:36,150
cop. I'm not a boiler expert. So using their experience, what they thought was the better

1010
01:31:36,150 --> 01:31:41,810
option. They actually said that the two boiler system, which was slightly cheaper, I think

1011
01:31:41,810 --> 01:31:50,210
it's about $1300 cheaper, is the better option of the two. So we were just coming to the

1012
01:31:50,210 --> 01:31:55,510
board to let you know where that project was at. And I know we already have money

1013
01:31:55,510 --> 01:32:05,290
budgeted for it. I think there's like $750,000 budgeted for that. And so we, with the bids,

1014
01:32:05,410 --> 01:32:11,670
we intend on moving forward with it. I know originally we had kind of talked about also

1015
01:32:11,670 --> 01:32:20,550
taking a look at upgrading the internal airflow systems within the Sheriff's Office at the

1016
01:32:20,550 --> 01:32:25,290
same time because this portion of the building, it was the original building that was built

1017
01:32:25,290 --> 01:32:32,670
back in 74, a lot of the dampers and stuff are all pneumatic and definitely beyond their

1018
01:32:32,670 --> 01:32:42,570
life cycle. However, with the recent development with the city going out to look at potentially

1019
01:32:42,570 --> 01:32:47,630
doing an expansion off that building for the police department, we decided to hold

1020
01:32:47,630 --> 01:32:53,670
off on that extra thing just to see if that's something, if they intend to do

1021
01:32:53,670 --> 01:32:57,870
or if that's a project that we can wrap into the larger project,

1022
01:32:57,870 --> 01:33:00,290
or if it would make more sense to do that at the time.

1023
01:33:00,630 --> 01:33:03,810
So that's why you're not seeing anything on that right now.

1024
01:33:03,870 --> 01:33:07,810
The boiler project be something that should also be wrapped into that larger project?

1025
01:33:10,170 --> 01:33:12,190
We kind of talked to him about that.

1026
01:33:12,190 --> 01:33:22,490
But it sounded like if, I guess, Jay, our technical operations superintendent, Jay Gonzalez

1027
01:33:22,490 --> 01:33:26,390
is right here, so I'll let him talk more about that.

1028
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:29,110
Thank you for being here, Jay.

1029
01:33:29,150 --> 01:33:29,330
Yes.

1030
01:33:29,470 --> 01:33:33,550
So, Jay Gonzalez, as Joe said, the technical operations superintendent, we talked with

1031
01:33:33,550 --> 01:33:38,650
Johnson Controls and they basically recommended option two as far as the expansion goes

1032
01:33:38,650 --> 01:33:43,010
if they wanted to use that mechanical space for the other facility or the other

1033
01:33:43,010 --> 01:33:46,670
building potentially. I mean obviously I have no idea what's going to go on in

1034
01:33:46,670 --> 01:33:50,830
the future but that's why option two was recommended. It's not only just two

1035
01:33:50,830 --> 01:33:55,410
boilers it's also two smaller boilers it's the whole hot water system. So are

1036
01:33:55,410 --> 01:33:59,910
they are the the two new boilers where are they going to be located? In the

1037
01:34:00,430 --> 01:34:05,510
existing boiler room in the basement of the 770 Iowa building. Okay so there's

1038
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:11,670
nothing in the 880 Central. Yeah, we have in the 880 we've got a series of

1039
01:34:11,670 --> 01:34:19,530
GeoWell pumps in there they were just replaced in 2018 2019. So with that

1040
01:34:19,530 --> 01:34:24,510
system upgrade I think the GeoWell pumps I think they're about a 15 year

1041
01:34:24,510 --> 01:34:29,390
rotation for replacement. The boilers obviously these I think are the

1042
01:34:29,390 --> 01:34:33,770
original boilers so that they did pretty well getting 51 years out of

1043
01:34:33,770 --> 01:34:41,170
them. So that's obviously something that is pretty infrequent to, well, things aren't

1044
01:34:41,170 --> 01:34:47,650
made these days the way they used to be. But, you know, we'd hope that they'd be able to

1045
01:34:47,650 --> 01:34:54,150
get 25, 30 years out of them. And so, and like Jay said, with the, with the boy room

1046
01:34:54,150 --> 01:35:00,490
project, any thoughts on building expansion, they think that there's enough room in

1047
01:35:00,490 --> 01:35:07,410
that current space where if they had to add something to take care of that, that's a

1048
01:35:07,410 --> 01:35:07,790
possibility.

1049
01:35:08,510 --> 01:35:11,890
How do I get those large of boilers down there?

1050
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:20,320
Harkinlot, you know, there's that graded area, there's that pit that some cadenets

1051
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,600
are units in and that's how I would get in through that doorway.

1052
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:26,980
The city expected to contribute anything to this?

1053
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:28,060
Yes.

1054
01:35:28,060 --> 01:35:34,880
Yes, this is a, because this is a joint building project, the city does reimburse us approximately 30%.

1055
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:35,080
Right.

1056
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:42,000
So they're doing a broad look at what they might possibly do with the police side.

1057
01:35:42,220 --> 01:35:42,460
Yes.

1058
01:35:43,870 --> 01:35:54,780
And we've discussed with them and done our due diligence, I'm expecting Jay and Sheriff Kennedy, that this is a major improvement that has to happen.

1059
01:35:54,780 --> 01:35:59,160
and that's going to be sufficient for whatever their purpose is.

1060
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:01,920
You were talking about the boiler.

1061
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:04,220
This before us now. Not inexpensive.

1062
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:12,040
Yeah. I don't know that this system would be able to...

1063
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:16,020
I don't know how much extra load it would be able to take on as far as their space.

1064
01:36:17,740 --> 01:36:20,960
Obviously, it wasn't designed originally for...

1065
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:25,060
For it was designed to replace what we had and to take care of our existing space

1066
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:30,060
the only thing that we can say is that if there is some sort of

1067
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:33,680
Expansion upon that building that

1068
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:40,640
There's they believe that there's enough space in that room where we wouldn't have to create like a separate

1069
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:47,140
Boiler room or anything in the new facility that it would be able to still function as that and take care of that

1070
01:36:47,740 --> 01:36:49,800
What's the city's timeline for?

1071
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:53,760
I'm sure they're hiring a consultant and so on.

1072
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:59,640
The only thing I can tell you about that is I think they have a consultant that is coming

1073
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:02,260
in around the first of the year or something like that.

1074
01:37:02,860 --> 01:37:09,160
And then, obviously, they would have to develop architectural design or whatever.

1075
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:17,860
And, you know, so I guess I don't know exactly when, you know, if they have to

1076
01:37:17,860 --> 01:37:25,400
or bond or whatever, I don't know if they're planning on trying to get something like that on next year's election or that's outside of me.

1077
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:33,880
But we're making a major improvement and we don't sound like we know what they're doing. They're going to reimburse us regardless.

1078
01:37:34,740 --> 01:37:35,000
Yes.

1079
01:37:36,420 --> 01:37:38,460
And we have to complete this project.

1080
01:37:39,140 --> 01:37:47,800
I mean, our boilers are at a point where, yeah, I mean, it's our hot water and our heating system for the building.

1081
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:48,240
Or the jail.

1082
01:37:48,500 --> 01:37:48,700
Yeah.

1083
01:37:49,820 --> 01:37:49,980
I

1084
01:37:52,730 --> 01:37:53,090
don't have anything.

1085
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:55,010
Is there any thoughts, Harley?

1086
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:55,770
Good.

1087
01:37:56,190 --> 01:37:57,930
Is there anything we can do to beat it?

1088
01:37:59,270 --> 01:38:02,790
Well, the city, it allotted 100,000 for the study.

1089
01:38:03,290 --> 01:38:04,850
That doesn't mean they're going to do anything.

1090
01:38:05,210 --> 01:38:06,890
So we have no choice.

1091
01:38:06,890 --> 01:38:15,810
we have to get this done and if they have to add to it, if they do decide to add to the building,

1092
01:38:16,110 --> 01:38:24,000
have to deal with it when it happens. But yeah, and I guess this piece, we're in charge of making

1093
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:31,820
this decision and this infrastructure improvement is solely our responsibility. It's led by us,

1094
01:38:31,820 --> 01:38:42,100
Yes. And we pay the upfront cost. We get reimbursed. But not to interrupt you, but just to touch on

1095
01:38:42,100 --> 01:38:48,880
Harley's point, I think it is a valid point. Like the city, they recognize that they have a need for

1096
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:55,400
more space for their PD. They're doing this study, but nothing is guaranteed. And we have to,

1097
01:38:56,080 --> 01:39:00,040
although it's always good to look into the future and plan for the future,

1098
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:07,260
We also have to look at, you know, we have an immediate need and because they are there's kind of a toss up on what they're doing.

1099
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:11,360
I don't know that we can really, really look at that as a.

1100
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:18,680
I just want to make sure we have clear communication that they are anticipating this bill coming.

1101
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:23,180
Yes, yes, they are definitely anticipating it coming. Yes.

1102
01:39:23,180 --> 01:39:28,700
And they have indicated in no respect through leadership that we should forestall this improvement.

1103
01:39:29,060 --> 01:39:30,800
It must happen now.

1104
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,620
No one has ever said anything to the contrary.

1105
01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:39,250
I don't have any other questions.

1106
01:39:40,330 --> 01:39:40,570
Sorry.

1107
01:39:41,210 --> 01:39:42,190
I don't have any other questions.

1108
01:39:42,650 --> 01:39:42,850
Okay.

1109
01:39:43,710 --> 01:39:46,130
So do you need us to take some action today, Joe?

1110
01:39:46,410 --> 01:39:47,370
No, I don't believe so.

1111
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:49,370
We've already got the money budgeted for it.

1112
01:39:49,570 --> 01:39:53,710
We just wanted to give an update on where the project was at and let you guys know.

1113
01:39:54,330 --> 01:39:54,450
Right.

1114
01:39:55,190 --> 01:40:01,250
One of the questions this morning was that they couldn't find a blueprint. Do you have jail blueprints typically on the website?

1115
01:40:02,690 --> 01:40:05,690
I don't know that we have blueprints on the website.

1116
01:40:06,230 --> 01:40:09,050
I don't know why we would have our jail blueprints on the website.

1117
01:40:09,210 --> 01:40:10,830
I think that would be a security...

1118
01:40:10,830 --> 01:40:13,690
The jail blueprints are available to the general public.

1119
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:19,390
No, I think they're... I mean, I think that's kind of a confidential thing for security purposes.

1120
01:40:19,390 --> 01:40:22,970
So, yep, thank you.

1121
01:40:23,550 --> 01:40:25,150
Thank you, Joe. Thank you, Jay.

1122
01:40:28,940 --> 01:40:34,600
Next work session discussion and possible action regarding the compensation board as it can occurs request.

1123
01:40:35,700 --> 01:40:50,220
So based on conversations that we've had in the past and observations over the last three years and changes again from a legislative standpoint that allows us to function.

1124
01:40:51,900 --> 01:40:59,760
differently as far as compensation boards. I guess cut to the chase. You know, my thought

1125
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:00,660
process is,

1126
01:41:03,100 --> 01:41:09,700
you know, and we had this discussion last year, but I believe, you know, we as

1127
01:41:09,700 --> 01:41:18,480
a board can, we have the final decision as far as compensation is concerned, and I

1128
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:24,660
believe that it makes sense to to do this with without a compensation board

1129
01:41:24,660 --> 01:41:29,820
going forward. I've talked to several county leaders, county supervisors that

1130
01:41:29,820 --> 01:41:36,400
have done away with their compensation board. They did not have any you know

1131
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:42,940
significant issues dealing with things that way. In fact some of them said it

1132
01:41:42,940 --> 01:41:50,040
It made it much more streamlined and worked better for them.

1133
01:41:50,260 --> 01:41:55,580
So my thought process is that Dubuque County doesn't necessarily need a compensation board

1134
01:41:55,580 --> 01:41:58,860
to recommend elected officials' salaries.

1135
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,660
Well, the compensation board does the comparisons.

1136
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:08,160
They get all the paperwork together for what they need to compare.

1137
01:42:08,540 --> 01:42:10,420
I believe Ed does that work for them.

1138
01:42:10,420 --> 01:42:15,240
They meet once a year and review the information that Ed provides them so

1139
01:42:17,980 --> 01:42:25,820
And by Ed you mean me and Chelsea and maybe stellar or some other staff, but as a team we pull that information together

1140
01:42:25,820 --> 01:42:32,460
I probably lead that if you were to not do that a question. I would have back for the board is do you want that information?

1141
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:38,940
That's what I see fit I use I use that information anyway and most typically a town

1142
01:42:38,940 --> 01:42:42,580
I just wanted to make sure that you were clear that the direction back to us.

1143
01:42:42,860 --> 01:42:46,340
So whatever you decide, make sure you give direction back to us and what you want to receive.

1144
01:42:46,580 --> 01:42:53,260
Yeah. It seems like somewhat of a layer that is there because it's always been there.

1145
01:42:53,880 --> 01:43:02,960
You know, again, it boils down to a conversation that we have as a board of three to make a final decision on what those are.

1146
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:11,060
And I think we have the ability, we have the information to review and make that decision

1147
01:43:11,060 --> 01:43:16,040
without, you know, one more step in the process.

1148
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:19,060
It's a public input step.

1149
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:21,980
I don't see a reason to change it.

1150
01:43:22,440 --> 01:43:25,080
I mean, this is – those folks have a purpose.

1151
01:43:25,980 --> 01:43:30,480
And I don't know that in this community there is a great interest in compensation

1152
01:43:30,480 --> 01:43:36,720
and what the compensation board recommends and what they review. So I don't know why we would remove that

1153
01:43:37,660 --> 01:43:44,020
as part of the process. It's optional for us. And this is the same conversation we had last year

1154
01:43:44,020 --> 01:43:50,120
and decided to keep the process in place so that citizens could inform us of their thoughts.

1155
01:43:50,380 --> 01:43:56,620
Sure. You know, the process is that each elected official appoints their own representative.

1156
01:43:57,360 --> 01:43:58,840
Supervisors of point two.

1157
01:43:59,420 --> 01:44:02,920
Right. The supervisors, at least I have always used that differently.

1158
01:44:03,660 --> 01:44:06,960
I have asked citizens for their input.

1159
01:44:07,340 --> 01:44:12,120
So it's not a lobbying position from the supervisor's perspective.

1160
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:20,300
So how an elected official may choose to use that is between them and their person.

1161
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:25,520
But I don't have a reason to make a change.

1162
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:27,600
So that's my yeah, we can shorten the conversation

1163
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:33,740
I mean I I believe that compensation board is is unnecessary if if you know

1164
01:44:33,740 --> 01:44:41,460
The two of you don't believe that then we move on to the next agenda item. No, I like to have it there because

1165
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:49,060
They are the public. They are all taxpayers and they're making recommendations. We have left. We have the final say

1166
01:44:50,220 --> 01:44:55,120
But I look at it as they're all property taxpayers that are recommending

1167
01:44:55,860 --> 01:44:59,880
the races. It's not, you know, us saying...

1168
01:45:00,300 --> 01:45:06,180
I want this much or whatever. It's the general public. The people paying the property tax that

1169
01:45:06,180 --> 01:45:11,940
are recommended and raises. So I like to get their opinion on it. Like I said, we have the

1170
01:45:11,940 --> 01:45:15,800
final say so. So we can keep it in place for now.

1171
01:45:16,100 --> 01:45:17,060
Sounds good. Thank you.

1172
01:45:18,440 --> 01:45:24,880
I have one more spray remark, which is the compensation board last year sets its date

1173
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:31,200
in time, and that is December 1st at 3 o'clock, which is the same time that Rachelle Fuller

1174
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:35,420
from Senator Grassley's office will be here. The compensation board is scheduled to be

1175
01:45:35,420 --> 01:45:39,580
at the West Campus, so just as an FYI.

1176
01:45:41,700 --> 01:45:48,100
Thanks, Ed. Any discussion and possible action on an ISAC request for support? I don't

1177
01:45:48,100 --> 01:45:53,360
know if everybody got the request. That was just sent to me. I think they're

1178
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:59,080
looking for was it $500 Keith for yeah

1179
01:46:02,630 --> 01:46:05,650
it's $500 down this paragraph here it's

1180
01:46:05,650 --> 01:46:08,710
a deal with Shelby in Story counties basically

1181
01:46:11,780 --> 01:46:12,700
they're fighting the

1182
01:46:15,610 --> 01:46:16,530
liquid

1183
01:46:16,530 --> 01:46:18,250
pipeline yeah

1184
01:46:22,410 --> 01:46:26,530
we got a total cost of $25,000 they're asking for $500 here

1185
01:46:26,530 --> 01:46:27,170
up

1186
01:46:31,170 --> 01:46:33,670
for discussion with my colleagues your

1187
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:41,360
thoughts and it's

1188
01:46:45,230 --> 01:46:46,690
a litigation type

1189
01:46:46,690 --> 01:46:48,730
thing I don't know that doesn't

1190
01:46:51,290 --> 01:46:53,270
affect us I mean I understand we're

1191
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:57,790
part of ISAC, but it will affect us.

1192
01:47:02,540 --> 01:47:05,300
So, yeah, just a discussion among my colleagues.

1193
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:13,900
Sure. So, I think where this is headed, it may not affect us directly right now because

1194
01:47:13,900 --> 01:47:24,640
the, I'll just call it liquid hazardous or carbon pipeline that is being discussed

1195
01:47:25,090 --> 01:47:32,100
for portions of Iowa comes very close. The proposal comes very close. And the

1196
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:39,680
idea of continuing to use eminent domain for something of this nature is not what we want

1197
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:40,480
to be faced with.

1198
01:47:40,660 --> 01:47:43,460
So we may not be faced with it immediately.

1199
01:47:46,140 --> 01:47:58,600
This may fend off future expansions and I think our opinion should matter even though we're

1200
01:47:58,600 --> 01:47:59,720
being asked for it.

1201
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:07,560
You know, to this point, you know, we haven't, you know, jumped on the bus, but at this point

1202
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:11,680
we are being asked, and I realize that that may be tied to some financial things.

1203
01:48:11,820 --> 01:48:17,280
But I think my personal opinion is that we should join in this effort and support them

1204
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:17,920
with $500.

1205
01:48:21,090 --> 01:48:21,430
Ian?

1206
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:25,580
I don't mislead an opinion on this.

1207
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:34,140
No matter what citizens seem to do with regard to the carbon pipelines, the lobbyists and

1208
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:41,860
this is a runaway issue that people do not want this to happen and the governor signs

1209
01:48:41,860 --> 01:48:42,320
it anyway.

1210
01:48:43,020 --> 01:48:43,840
It doesn't matter.

1211
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:49,260
So if you want to spend $500 for an opinion or concern or whatever you want to call that,

1212
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:50,040
that's fine.

1213
01:48:50,140 --> 01:48:51,140
I'm not going to vote no.

1214
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:53,560
I've done my own work on this issue.

1215
01:48:54,160 --> 01:49:01,100
I also have my own feelings about ISAC, so if that's how you wish to spend $500, I won't vote no.

1216
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:02,800
I'm not making the motion.

1217
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:10,040
I think it gets down more into the eminent domain issue is where it's at,

1218
01:49:10,220 --> 01:49:18,220
where I believe they want to push for 90% of the people agreeing to it

1219
01:49:18,220 --> 01:49:21,320
before an eminent domain can even be used.

1220
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:25,460
So I do agree that

1221
01:49:28,050 --> 01:49:29,750
it's a good investment.

1222
01:49:30,750 --> 01:49:39,730
I think the majority of the people do have concerns about the carbon pipelines and the use of eminent domain to get things done.

1223
01:49:40,610 --> 01:49:44,050
So I guess I would be in favor of giving them the $500.

1224
01:49:47,550 --> 01:49:55,420
In that case, I'll make a motion to support the ISAC's request for $500.

1225
01:49:56,860 --> 01:50:03,300
I will second a motion and a second to approve the allocation of $500 to ISAC for the purpose

1226
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:04,700
of the donation.

1227
01:50:05,060 --> 01:50:05,280
Pardon?

1228
01:50:05,380 --> 01:50:06,880
Is it to contribute to the lawsuit?

1229
01:50:07,540 --> 01:50:09,140
Is it to contribute to lobbying?

1230
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:10,400
Does it matter?

1231
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:11,880
We're just doing our-

1232
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:16,600
Coming to the cost of the amicus brief, which has total cost of $25,000.

1233
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:17,780
So it's illegal filing?

1234
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:18,800
Right.

1235
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:19,520
I

1236
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:32,320
have a motion and a second for the ISAC request for $500 all-in-favor signify by aye.

1237
01:50:32,500 --> 01:50:32,760
Aye.

1238
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:34,000
Aye.

1239
01:50:36,740 --> 01:50:40,420
Okay, we have discussion and possible action on Bernard Rescue Unit's building.

1240
01:50:41,580 --> 01:50:45,480
Who wants to leave that for us or Bernard or...?

1241
01:50:45,480 --> 01:50:45,840
It

1242
01:50:54,290 --> 01:50:57,730
probably should begin with a summary of where we think we are after our last

1243
01:50:57,730 --> 01:51:00,130
meeting, right?

1244
01:51:00,130 --> 01:51:05,990
So, there was discussion that you were not here for, but I think we should probably try

1245
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:11,370
to lay out what it is we think we've decided, and then I would value the input very much

1246
01:51:11,370 --> 01:51:13,730
from Bernard, be very helpful.

1247
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:16,280
Okay.

1248
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:22,920
So, we had a work session last meeting on the third, and we just kind of ran through

1249
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:23,500
the timeline.

1250
01:51:23,500 --> 01:51:31,940
mine. I think Mr. Gassman listened to that meeting, but given all the information in front

1251
01:51:31,940 --> 01:51:40,580
of us, my recommendation was to just facilitate out of Key West, given the information we had

1252
01:51:40,580 --> 01:51:45,180
at the time. So that's, I know there's a lot of content behind that, but more or less

1253
01:51:45,180 --> 01:51:50,580
the summary. If you want me to be more expansive, I'm happy to do so. I know I got some

1254
01:51:50,580 --> 01:51:56,340
notes in front of me but did we take a formal vote that we did not so we had

1255
01:51:56,340 --> 01:52:00,860
consensus based upon what we knew that we would be able to run all of our

1256
01:52:00,860 --> 01:52:05,060
operation out of the Key West facility for this winter yeah it was more of an

1257
01:52:05,060 --> 01:52:09,060
informative like here's all the information that's transpired through the

1258
01:52:09,060 --> 01:52:14,400
process and like I said given the information in front of us the

1259
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:18,000
direction of the our department was just to facilitate out of Key West

1260
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:22,280
Do either of you have any other understanding of what we did at our meeting last time?

1261
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:23,740
Is this thank you?

1262
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:28,240
We had discussed it and we had gotten another letter from Mr. Gosman.

1263
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:30,780
Supervisor Kennecker has to have it on the agenda here.

1264
01:52:30,900 --> 01:52:38,100
Yeah, he provided us with three options on what steps to take and answering an email.

1265
01:52:39,140 --> 01:52:44,460
My request was to have a representative here and have additional discussion.

1266
01:52:44,460 --> 01:52:48,460
Do you have any other input from us for us, Russell?

1267
01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:55,500
Not at this time, but I'll be here to answer or help facilitate in any way I can.

1268
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:56,520
Okay.

1269
01:53:02,150 --> 01:53:08,510
Mike Gassman with the Bernard Rescue Unit, 547 Rolls Street, G-A-S-S-M-A-N if you're

1270
01:53:08,510 --> 01:53:09,590
wondering I'm not into it.

1271
01:53:10,330 --> 01:53:12,290
So basically we're here today to kind of follow up.

1272
01:53:13,950 --> 01:53:19,910
Obviously, you guys are well aware of some of the miss dealings back in the day with

1273
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:22,270
not getting proper documentation signed.

1274
01:53:23,550 --> 01:53:29,250
So we're here today to figure out what the official next step for the supervisors, the

1275
01:53:29,250 --> 01:53:35,550
road department is, to either proceed with continuing to work out of the Bernard shop,

1276
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:41,250
as you guys call it, or is it something that, as the building is being constructed,

1277
01:53:41,250 --> 01:53:46,170
is that something where you guys are looking to move differently. We're just kind of trying to get

1278
01:53:46,170 --> 01:53:54,230
everything put to rest to figure out what the next steps are. Yes, we did send an email in proposing

1279
01:53:54,230 --> 01:54:00,170
you know to do a lease agreement. We would still like for the department or for the road

1280
01:54:00,170 --> 01:54:06,430
department to continue to work out of Bernard. Not only as for the community of Bernard but

1281
01:54:06,430 --> 01:54:13,210
also for the Bernard route but you know we'd asked in the email you know kind of

1282
01:54:13,210 --> 01:54:15,570
where things are at so I guess we're kind of just trying to get some

1283
01:54:15,570 --> 01:54:21,470
clarification as the building is being reconstructed you know how far what do we

1284
01:54:21,470 --> 01:54:27,230
need to do what do we not need to do so that way we know so that we're not

1285
01:54:27,230 --> 01:54:30,670
overspending money that we don't need to spend or yes we do need to spend

1286
01:54:30,670 --> 01:54:35,590
money for XYZ reasons so I guess that's why we're here today to answer

1287
01:54:35,590 --> 01:54:42,550
your guys's questions and see what we want to do going forward here okay Mike a lot of the

1288
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:49,750
obviously I thought that first discussion with you everything was going along pretty good the

1289
01:54:49,750 --> 01:54:57,790
thousand dollars a month pretty much close the door on it not gonna lie about that I think

1290
01:54:57,790 --> 01:55:00,270
that is way out of line on that.

1291
01:55:00,750 --> 01:55:06,410
We rent a place up at Holy Cross for $1,000,

1292
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:08,190
but that person owns the building.

1293
01:55:09,270 --> 01:55:11,230
He pays property tax on the building.

1294
01:55:11,770 --> 01:55:13,110
We didn't pay for any of the building.

1295
01:55:14,670 --> 01:55:15,970
It's a little different in Bernard

1296
01:55:15,970 --> 01:55:18,510
because we pretty much gave you the ground.

1297
01:55:19,190 --> 01:55:21,370
We paid for our portion of the building

1298
01:55:21,370 --> 01:55:23,890
for the lifetime lease, my understanding.

1299
01:55:24,410 --> 01:55:29,610
Then you went the same route that that just doesn't compute very well with me. I'm sorry

1300
01:55:29,610 --> 01:55:35,010
Well when we asked in our second meeting that you were unavailable attend to we asked

1301
01:55:35,010 --> 01:55:38,490
Russell what the building up in Holy Cross was

1302
01:55:39,310 --> 01:55:43,550
He said it was a $400 and it was a $500 depending on the time of the year

1303
01:55:43,550 --> 01:55:49,830
We asked what the size of the building was and he couldn't he didn't have the exact dimensions, which was perfectly fine

1304
01:55:51,130 --> 01:55:55,250
So the way we kind of looked at it was, if there's one piece of equipment up there

1305
01:55:55,250 --> 01:55:59,310
and you're spending 500 bucks a month, 400 bucks, whatever it was, the building in

1306
01:55:59,310 --> 01:56:02,570
Bernard is a two-stall building with concrete floor, heated, insulated,

1307
01:56:02,590 --> 01:56:06,710
bathroom. You know, we took that number and just doubled it and went to a

1308
01:56:06,710 --> 01:56:12,390
thousand dollars as a starting point to go move forward with. So that's where

1309
01:56:12,390 --> 01:56:19,890
we came up with that number. And yes, the ground was sold to the Vernaugrask unit for

1310
01:56:19,890 --> 01:56:26,750
a dollar because the ground was going back to the county due to some non-paid taxes at

1311
01:56:26,750 --> 01:56:35,930
that point in time back in 1995, 96, 97 or whatever year that was. So, yes, we did get

1312
01:56:35,930 --> 01:56:41,750
the ground at a severely reduced price, but at the same time, up until the windstorm

1313
01:56:41,750 --> 01:56:49,550
come through and blew the building over, nobody had the exact knowledge of how it was operated,

1314
01:56:50,030 --> 01:56:56,630
how it was written up, which was a handshake agreement that we're digging back into people's

1315
01:56:56,630 --> 01:57:02,650
memories from 27 years ago, trying to figure that out. There's a lot of documentation up to

1316
01:57:03,370 --> 01:57:10,730
the point where the county gave the 41,000 for the lifetime lease, which basically paid for

1317
01:57:10,730 --> 01:57:13,770
that portion of the building correct and then after that everything just goes

1318
01:57:13,770 --> 01:57:19,310
blue yeah because the notes that watching the previous means the this is the

1319
01:57:19,310 --> 01:57:23,870
notebook that we had all of the from the our secretary at the time that took in

1320
01:57:23,870 --> 01:57:27,530
regards to you know was discussed at each meeting and there's notes in there

1321
01:57:27,530 --> 01:57:32,190
that says that you know what they met with x y and z but once the board started

1322
01:57:32,190 --> 01:57:36,090
getting put up that's one like hardly references of the notes kind of stop

1323
01:57:36,090 --> 01:57:46,290
at that point in time? Well it sounds like the intent was the county again gave the property

1324
01:57:46,290 --> 01:57:58,610
and $41,000 to build a lifetime arrangement with Bernard Rescue. Now again, that lifetime doesn't

1325
01:57:59,290 --> 01:58:03,610
factor in, winds, storms, things of that nature, but you had an insurable interest

1326
01:58:03,610 --> 01:58:20,490
in the entire building. So I'm not sure what caused the gift of the land and the contribution of $41,000 in exchange for a lifetime lease.

1327
01:58:20,990 --> 01:58:24,310
Who's lifetime? What stopped? I don't get what stopped here.

1328
01:58:24,310 --> 01:58:28,950
From what I understand from I checked with our lawyer and I said, you know

1329
01:58:29,970 --> 01:58:31,210
How does this work?

1330
01:58:32,310 --> 01:58:36,510
He's like well the lifetime lease is on what type of paper and I showed him that he's like well

1331
01:58:36,510 --> 01:58:39,050
There's no if there's no official documentation

1332
01:58:40,230 --> 01:58:46,610
There's really no official lifetime lease agreement. But is that the is that is that the working relationship that?

1333
01:58:47,770 --> 01:58:53,450
We've never had a working relationship with the county because there's never been an issue with with anything

1334
01:58:53,450 --> 01:59:01,070
So, it's kind of like, everything that happened how many years ago happened and now we're

1335
01:59:01,070 --> 01:59:03,990
back to square one trying to figure out how do we move forward.

1336
01:59:05,790 --> 01:59:11,450
That's actually the position that I have taken, which is we were not involved in creating

1337
01:59:12,450 --> 01:59:17,170
this situation of who owned what or how and it wasn't documented and may or may not

1338
01:59:17,170 --> 01:59:19,730
have been executed appropriately, right?

1339
01:59:19,730 --> 01:59:25,400
So we're not going to find help from that and as much as I'm a taxpayer too and

1340
01:59:26,230 --> 01:59:29,190
Need to be cautious with how we spend taxpayer dollars

1341
01:59:29,190 --> 01:59:38,340
This is a community that has allowed us to have a shop there and has allowed us to run and operate out of that and

1342
01:59:39,070 --> 01:59:43,470
This it's it isn't as though it's for anything other than

1343
01:59:43,470 --> 01:59:51,210
than fire and EMS, right? That's what we're talking about. We're talking about people who are responding.

1344
01:59:52,010 --> 01:59:59,750
We need these folks so very much. And I don't want to be in a situation where it seems that we're hostile

1345
01:59:59,750 --> 01:59:59,970
it

1346
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:03,860
Any way for things that happened before or not done correctly.

1347
02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:07,140
So I think we're trying to come up with what a fair agreement is.

1348
02:00:07,580 --> 02:00:15,120
How we operate a shop out of Bernard is difficult because of a gentleman who's retiring and

1349
02:00:15,120 --> 02:00:17,760
trying to find someone who's going to operate out of that shop.

1350
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:21,960
And if someone starts their job there, will they drive to Bernard?

1351
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:23,840
There's just logistics.

1352
02:00:24,360 --> 02:00:26,200
There's different things that are changing.

1353
02:00:26,840 --> 02:00:36,920
So, being a supervisor that's in a partnership with you, we have to find the dollar amount that makes the most sense today.

1354
02:00:37,780 --> 02:00:44,140
And you say whether that's good enough or close enough, if we enter into an agreement with you for any sum,

1355
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:50,600
will this require some of your equipment to remain outdoors?

1356
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:56,540
it has Bernard decided this is the best situation for all of your assets.

1357
02:00:57,080 --> 02:01:00,660
Currently we have a lease agreement with the City of Bernard for the old

1358
02:01:00,660 --> 02:01:04,740
firehouse which is abroad a block away where we keep a couple we keep two

1359
02:01:04,740 --> 02:01:09,320
pieces of equipment over there along with additional supplies. So as we've

1360
02:01:09,320 --> 02:01:12,940
stated in the email you know depending what happens going forward

1361
02:01:12,940 --> 02:01:19,700
whether we enter a lease agreement whether the county moves on whatever

1362
02:01:19,700 --> 02:01:24,860
happens the rescue unit is going to take the building back over and we're going

1363
02:01:24,860 --> 02:01:28,120
to house all of our equipment in one building instead of having two separate

1364
02:01:28,120 --> 02:01:34,440
buildings because there are times where for example a grass fire we have our

1365
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:38,520
brush truck in a different building we have to depend on somebody to like oh you

1366
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:42,160
know make sure they grab that or they stopped at the truck up drive over get

1367
02:01:42,160 --> 02:01:47,580
get get dressed and then we head out from there that's just one example so

1368
02:01:47,580 --> 02:01:52,320
having everything under one roof would be nice. I'm not going to lie about that. And also with

1369
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:57,580
the additional space that allows us for that in that other building, we can go ahead and we can

1370
02:01:57,580 --> 02:02:04,120
do training year-round. So, you know, whether it's rain and snow and whatever, we've got an

1371
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:07,780
opportunity to train, so we're not depending on standing out in the rain, getting soaked for

1372
02:02:07,780 --> 02:02:13,620
two hours for the train where we can do it inside. So our plan is then not to, depending

1373
02:02:13,620 --> 02:02:19,460
what the supervisor decided to do, what the road department decides to do, we're not going

1374
02:02:19,460 --> 02:02:24,360
to go turn around and put a lease sign in the backyard to lease that out or rent that

1375
02:02:24,360 --> 02:02:25,160
out to somebody else.

1376
02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:30,660
There was a discussion of purchasing that land back.

1377
02:02:31,880 --> 02:02:36,460
As a board, we decided against that because we are landlocked at that point in time.

1378
02:02:36,460 --> 02:02:44,080
So, if the next fire truck that we get is twice the size or something, we can't do anything.

1379
02:02:44,720 --> 02:02:50,820
We're looking at elsewhere to house that equipment, or we have to figure out a way to make stuff

1380
02:02:50,820 --> 02:02:52,940
smaller, which we all know that that isn't happening.

1381
02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:58,320
We're not one bit against, and we've said that in the emails.

1382
02:02:59,780 --> 02:03:06,040
We're invested in doing a five or a 10-year in negotiating a price.

1383
02:03:06,040 --> 02:03:12,080
We have nothing against that. We have absolutely nothing against that. You know,

1384
02:03:12,140 --> 02:03:17,940
you talk about the public safety. Yes, the public safety is big. You know, my wife

1385
02:03:17,940 --> 02:03:21,540
works in the butte, we all got to get around and go somewhere. Whether it's

1386
02:03:21,540 --> 02:03:25,620
at two in the afternoon or two in the morning if it's a blizzard out. Yes, we

1387
02:03:25,620 --> 02:03:28,520
depend on the road crew to get there, but at the same time at two in the

1388
02:03:28,520 --> 02:03:34,480
morning when we get paged out it is tough for us to get to the fire

1389
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:38,680
house let alone have you know the new the new guy that's driving the snow plow

1390
02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:43,000
leave his house at two in the morning whether he's leaving from Key West or

1391
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:48,660
Upworth or you know 10 miles on the other side of Bernard you know it takes time

1392
02:03:48,660 --> 02:03:53,780
for everybody to get moving so sometimes you know we're leaving with the

1393
02:03:53,780 --> 02:03:57,540
equipment we don't know what the roads are gonna be like until we get on the

1394
02:03:57,540 --> 02:04:03,340
road. So there's some value in what you just said you know with having the

1395
02:04:03,340 --> 02:04:13,160
secondary roads department close and working with the fire and EMS I would

1396
02:04:13,160 --> 02:04:16,940
think again you know I'm going to go back to this and I know it's you know

1397
02:04:16,940 --> 02:04:25,180
probably a fairly pointed issue is that in 1997 I believe from the

1398
02:04:25,180 --> 02:04:28,700
information that I've received is when this agreement was put in place and

1399
02:04:28,700 --> 02:04:30,380
And there was a reason for that.

1400
02:04:30,600 --> 02:04:37,860
There became a partnership between Dubuque County and Bernard, Bernard Rescue, the city

1401
02:04:37,860 --> 02:04:39,620
of Bernard, the community of Bernard, right?

1402
02:04:40,420 --> 02:04:47,300
And so, you know, property was virtually given and 41,000 was given for a lifetime lease.

1403
02:04:47,460 --> 02:04:51,740
I don't get why we're not there, why we're not going to continue.

1404
02:04:51,740 --> 02:05:01,680
you, you had the building insured, the building is being rebuilt, why Dubuque County, if it's

1405
02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:06,940
that partnership that was established, why wouldn't we continue that partnership and

1406
02:05:06,940 --> 02:05:12,200
not do it over leasing it back to us?

1407
02:05:12,440 --> 02:05:20,680
We didn't ask for the property back, we didn't ask for the 41,000 back, but yet we're being

1408
02:05:20,680 --> 02:05:27,000
ask for more money. Why don't we continue that relationship as it was? You know, we pay the

1409
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:35,380
utilities, we pay the operational cost of it. If it's that beneficial and that meaningful to

1410
02:05:35,940 --> 02:05:42,520
the community, why don't we continue on with the way we were before July 11th,

1411
02:05:42,520 --> 02:05:43,940
when the wind blew that building down?

1412
02:05:47,140 --> 02:05:48,840
Well, as going forward for starters,

1413
02:05:48,840 --> 02:05:53,680
our insurance premiums are definitely going to be going up because of the claim, more than likely.

1414
02:05:53,860 --> 02:05:59,540
I would guess to say that's going to be the case. Second of all, the Bernard Rescue Unit,

1415
02:05:59,640 --> 02:06:05,900
that building is completely, not completely, almost completely, maintained off of donations

1416
02:06:05,900 --> 02:06:11,320
and fundraising. Because that building is owned by the Bernard Rescue Unit, which has no ties to

1417
02:06:11,320 --> 02:06:18,000
the city. It has no ties to the county. The Bernard Fire Association, they lease two stalls

1418
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:21,960
in our building from us or from the rescue unit to house their equipment.

1419
02:06:23,420 --> 02:06:26,420
So there's no taxation money coming in.

1420
02:06:26,600 --> 02:06:31,260
It is 100 percent, or a donation, I should say 100 percent.

1421
02:06:31,380 --> 02:06:36,560
It is predominantly funded through donations and fundraising that we do.

1422
02:06:36,720 --> 02:06:41,380
Yes, we do receive money from the fire board for their lease agreement, which they've

1423
02:06:41,380 --> 02:06:42,360
had since day one.

1424
02:06:42,360 --> 02:06:49,960
And yes, we do receive monies from our ambulance billing, which we only run 40-50 calls a year

1425
02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:54,540
and all those 40-50 calls a year that we can actually bill for, we're not making a whole

1426
02:06:54,540 --> 02:06:58,100
lot of money when it comes down to it on that end of it.

1427
02:06:58,440 --> 02:07:02,520
Was it the same in 1997 when this partnership was established?

1428
02:07:02,980 --> 02:07:04,420
For the fire board, at least.

1429
02:07:05,060 --> 02:07:05,240
Yeah.

1430
02:07:05,240 --> 02:07:09,940
Or, you know, as far as the things that you just mentioned, you know, that this

1431
02:07:09,940 --> 02:07:12,580
is funded, how it's funded, and things like that.

1432
02:07:12,580 --> 02:07:15,140
Yes, the building was completely put up on donated dollars.

1433
02:07:15,940 --> 02:07:20,820
And the fire board was paying a lease that was reviewed here within the last five years,

1434
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:22,740
and that number has also changed.

1435
02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:31,200
So this may just, this is just another piece of information that I would know, Shelley,

1436
02:07:31,400 --> 02:07:37,400
you can check the number if you know, but New Vienna had, you know, that original

1437
02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:42,460
fire station that they had underneath their community hall. They weren't buying

1438
02:07:42,460 --> 02:07:45,560
the equipment that didn't fit in there anymore. They couldn't actually

1439
02:07:45,560 --> 02:07:51,200
upgrade their fire equipment because they couldn't put it anywhere. So they made

1440
02:07:51,200 --> 02:07:54,680
the transition to build their new community hall and their fire department.

1441
02:07:55,260 --> 02:07:59,900
The Tom Hancock grant was written in such a way. I think it was $50,000

1442
02:07:59,900 --> 02:08:04,880
that the Tom Hancock grant gave to New Vienna to put toward that new

1443
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:09,600
building. The Tom Hancock grant is of course taxpayer funding in which we've

1444
02:08:09,600 --> 02:08:14,560
received that over the years and it's been a great a great thing. But what I'm

1445
02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:20,940
trying to just so we all know that the county has been a partner before in new

1446
02:08:20,940 --> 02:08:27,760
buildings and in trying to recognize the need for you to have property to run

1447
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:30,640
out of as you said you don't want to be landlocked you need to be able to

1448
02:08:30,640 --> 02:08:34,340
build the building that's the size that's you're going to need to put

1449
02:08:35,140 --> 02:08:40,680
I value that a great deal. So if we could find the number for the lease,

1450
02:08:45,620 --> 02:08:51,800
the no answer becomes obvious to me because the roads department issue is going to always be separate.

1451
02:08:52,600 --> 02:08:58,140
So I'm not going to make that decision about where roads is going to operate out of.

1452
02:08:59,660 --> 02:09:03,660
I want you to have what you need as a fire and rescue department. Do you see my point?

1453
02:09:04,200 --> 02:09:09,920
That's what I really want you to have and if what we are is the shop is there to offset

1454
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:14,840
the cost of the building, then I think that's what we need to say, right?

1455
02:09:15,480 --> 02:09:16,680
That's what the truth is.

1456
02:09:16,780 --> 02:09:22,340
Well, I mean, at the same time, I mean, there's, you can look at multiple different ways

1457
02:09:22,340 --> 02:09:22,860
on it.

1458
02:09:22,960 --> 02:09:26,830
I mean, if they want

1459
02:09:28,910 --> 02:09:33,350
to put this without who's in sight here, but no, I mean,

1460
02:09:33,370 --> 02:09:33,970
Get better later.

1461
02:09:35,070 --> 02:09:37,050
No, I'm just we're just looking at okay

1462
02:09:38,970 --> 02:09:44,110
Why if the building is owned the ground is owned by us, I mean that's not going to change

1463
02:09:44,890 --> 02:09:48,330
Right. I mean the lifetime once that building blew in that lifetime

1464
02:09:49,310 --> 02:09:53,710
Handshake agreement pretty much went away. You know, we're looking at okay

1465
02:09:54,650 --> 02:09:56,790
How many other I don't understand that there's other

1466
02:09:57,550 --> 02:10:00,050
Like holy cross. I mean why

1467
02:10:02,260 --> 02:10:04,620
I mean it's going to take how many years for that building to get built

1468
02:10:04,620 --> 02:10:07,760
I guess we're on the other side of what we're looking at you know

1469
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:12,340
What's the financial side of the benefit up for the county to stay there for a couple years to get

1470
02:10:12,340 --> 02:10:18,680
To get up and going if far fifth film orders ultimately the location that ends up getting relocated to I don't I don't know

1471
02:10:18,680 --> 02:10:24,740
I don't have an answer on that but but Mike if there's value in the roads department being there, right?

1472
02:10:25,300 --> 02:10:27,360
What's the value for the roads department not to be there?

1473
02:10:30,070 --> 02:10:35,730
I guess I look at it as it's been a partnership. Yeah, you know whether it's law enforcement and Bernard

1474
02:10:35,730 --> 02:10:41,430
Bernard, I was in law enforcement, but Bernard, we went to a lot of calls together, it's a

1475
02:10:41,430 --> 02:10:42,130
great partnership.

1476
02:10:42,290 --> 02:10:43,670
It's a great partnership with the roads.

1477
02:10:44,350 --> 02:10:48,490
I love to keep the roads there because it's a public safety issue.

1478
02:10:48,850 --> 02:10:50,270
You get that two o'clock in the morning.

1479
02:10:50,850 --> 02:10:54,930
There is an employee for the secondary roads that is on your department, correct?

1480
02:10:55,310 --> 02:10:58,510
He has, he retired a month or two ago.

1481
02:10:59,150 --> 02:11:01,490
But he still lives in the area, correct?

1482
02:11:01,610 --> 02:11:03,510
He's closer to Key West of Territory, yes.

1483
02:11:03,510 --> 02:11:09,750
But he would be able to still get a road plowed that we could get a fire truck or whatever needed

1484
02:11:10,970 --> 02:11:11,410
So

1485
02:11:14,260 --> 02:11:17,860
I guess I understand where Wayne's coming from because I'm kind of the same way, you know

1486
02:11:18,620 --> 02:11:20,720
We pretty much gave you everything for it

1487
02:11:20,720 --> 02:11:25,520
And a thousand dollars just don't seem right. I understand that your insurance is probably going to go up

1488
02:11:25,520 --> 02:11:27,840
You know no issue on that at all

1489
02:11:28,480 --> 02:11:35,360
Also understand them supposedly we were paying interest their insurance on the building to and found out that it wasn't ours

1490
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:40,280
So, well, it goes back to he said, he said, and there's no documentation.

1491
02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:42,600
Well, but that issue is resolved, correct?

1492
02:11:43,100 --> 02:11:46,660
The insurance companies issued their decision on who owns that property.

1493
02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:47,880
That's been determined.

1494
02:11:48,220 --> 02:11:48,640
Right, right.

1495
02:11:49,960 --> 02:11:53,100
So, I mean, I'll start the discussion here.

1496
02:11:53,320 --> 02:11:56,200
You know, I would be comfortable with like 250 a month.

1497
02:11:56,620 --> 02:11:59,100
I think, you know, your insurance goes up, I get that.

1498
02:11:59,700 --> 02:12:01,260
But there's benefits to both sides.

1499
02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:03,240
I'm not disagreeing there.

1500
02:12:03,240 --> 02:12:08,900
But, I mean, that's, I don't know where Russ is at, or Wayne, or...

1501
02:12:08,900 --> 02:12:11,880
Is it $250 plus utilities, or what are we talking about here?

1502
02:12:12,640 --> 02:12:15,300
Is it $250 a month plus the utilities?

1503
02:12:15,460 --> 02:12:16,240
Is it metered separately?

1504
02:12:16,960 --> 02:12:18,760
Yeah, it would be 100% metered separately.

1505
02:12:19,220 --> 02:12:20,100
They have their own gas tank.

1506
02:12:20,220 --> 02:12:21,600
Just like it was, right.

1507
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:26,200
I think the only utility you guys would have to add would be internet at that point in time,

1508
02:12:26,260 --> 02:12:28,100
because we had worked a deal out.

1509
02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:28,900
Did you say internet?

1510
02:12:32,690 --> 02:12:35,530
So, I mean, that'd be an additional added to it.

1511
02:12:35,530 --> 02:12:42,790
but so we'd have to decide whether there's a need for internet so you know

1512
02:12:42,790 --> 02:12:48,130
what the other thing is we're bringing on a new engineer eventually could we

1513
02:12:48,130 --> 02:12:53,550
enter into a short-term lease to operate out of Bernard so just so you

1514
02:12:53,550 --> 02:12:58,910
guys know where it's at as of this morning we should hopefully should have

1515
02:12:58,910 --> 02:13:03,290
the outside of the building all steeled so the roof is on the walls

1516
02:13:03,290 --> 02:13:09,070
should be all steeled the general was gone out of town for the last week so I

1517
02:13:09,070 --> 02:13:14,070
don't have a clear picture of where he's actually at like what his timeline is to

1518
02:13:14,070 --> 02:13:21,110
finish do you have an estimate on what it is going to cost to rebuild I do and

1519
02:13:21,110 --> 02:13:26,050
it was very similar what you guys were given so I'm from your insurance

1520
02:13:26,050 --> 02:13:30,190
company on that end of it I haven't seen those numbers so I guess I'm

1521
02:13:30,190 --> 02:13:37,370
I'm just asking what the cost was and what the coverage was, you know, is where I'm headed

1522
02:13:37,370 --> 02:13:37,810
with this.

1523
02:13:37,950 --> 02:13:38,670
I guess we're being...

1524
02:13:38,670 --> 02:13:39,510
You're set whole, right, Mike?

1525
02:13:40,150 --> 02:13:41,530
I mean, you're not going to have any additional...

1526
02:13:41,530 --> 02:13:45,990
Your building is going to be rebuilt by the insurance proceeds and you'll have no cost

1527
02:13:45,990 --> 02:13:46,570
to that, correct?

1528
02:13:46,910 --> 02:13:47,130
Yes.

1529
02:13:47,530 --> 02:13:47,830
Okay.

1530
02:13:49,570 --> 02:13:57,110
I'm not sure how the value of us for the community being there doesn't offset everything

1531
02:13:57,110 --> 02:13:59,190
except for utilities of that building.

1532
02:13:59,190 --> 02:14:03,550
I guess, you know, that was the agreement that was made, perhaps it wasn't documented.

1533
02:14:03,830 --> 02:14:08,650
I mean, I don't know as though any of us in this room were necessarily a part of that,

1534
02:14:08,750 --> 02:14:14,010
but I think we know what the intent was. And I think going forward, we pay the utilities,

1535
02:14:14,250 --> 02:14:20,450
we go back to where we were, if in fact we are going back to Bernard. Right now, our

1536
02:14:20,450 --> 02:14:24,870
short time solution, the equipment and manpower has already been moved to Key West.

1537
02:14:25,630 --> 02:14:33,250
you know I don't know why we would go back and you know I get it your

1538
02:14:33,250 --> 02:14:39,390
insurance is going up but you know everything is so and that's like I

1539
02:14:39,390 --> 02:14:44,650
said that's where you know we're open negotiation on that end of it I mean I

1540
02:14:44,650 --> 02:14:47,630
don't know if that's a supervised means that's where that's handled at majority

1541
02:14:47,630 --> 02:14:52,490
time you know obviously we have to take it back to our board if that is a

1542
02:14:52,490 --> 02:14:59,130
number that is being discussed and see what they want to say in terms of the lease.

1543
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:01,540
You know, stuff along those lines, so.

1544
02:15:02,620 --> 02:15:03,540
Just to make it.

1545
02:15:05,180 --> 02:15:11,680
This is not a good conversation to have because of what these gentlemen do for their community, right?

1546
02:15:11,860 --> 02:15:15,960
I understand what they do. We're just trying to come up with a solution here.

1547
02:15:16,600 --> 02:15:22,000
But understand if this was truly arms length, we wouldn't be renting there and it would be done and we wouldn't ever shop in Bernard.

1548
02:15:22,220 --> 02:15:26,420
But there's a public safety issue that brings us back to this again and again and again.

1549
02:15:26,420 --> 02:15:30,000
So I think we need to find that solution for the Bernard community.

1550
02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:33,380
We're not discussing how they operate or how we operate.

1551
02:15:34,340 --> 02:15:50,820
But we are trying to create a financial situation, a financial partnership with them that benefits a small community and fills a need for the county with an engineer that is yet to be determined, right?

1552
02:15:50,820 --> 02:15:57,380
but the the company benefits some obviously from being there it's good

1553
02:15:57,380 --> 02:16:02,980
location but if we're taking maintainers and trucks from Key West all the way

1554
02:16:02,980 --> 02:16:07,820
down to Bernard to run a route that they could be starting in Bernard you're

1555
02:16:07,820 --> 02:16:12,620
putting a lot of extra hours on the maintainer running that far it's it's

1556
02:16:12,620 --> 02:16:18,460
got to have some value to it okay trucks the same way so I mean I'm

1557
02:16:18,460 --> 02:16:26,200
willing to, like I said, $250 I think is fair. It's a benefit for both of us. But again,

1558
02:16:26,500 --> 02:16:29,940
it's discussion. You okay with the other gentleman? I can maybe

1559
02:16:29,940 --> 02:16:34,320
slide up because he had something to add. Yes, I just wanted to kind of say with Harley

1560
02:16:34,320 --> 02:16:40,560
or Jeremy English. Jeremy English, Bernard Fire, 547 Roller Street. I was going to agree

1561
02:16:40,560 --> 02:16:47,680
with Harley that it's going to benefit you guys because the equipment's starting there.

1562
02:16:47,680 --> 02:16:52,380
But if you guys hire a guy out of Epworth to come and run the truck

1563
02:16:53,440 --> 02:16:55,120
It's not gonna be as beneficial

1564
02:16:55,660 --> 02:16:59,100
To get something open in a hurry as a as it would be today

1565
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:05,480
So I guess that's one of my opinions on it. Yeah, thank you Jeremy. Thank you

1566
02:17:06,500 --> 02:17:14,040
Russ, I don't know as though this decision needs to be made today. Obviously, you know Russell has already

1567
02:17:15,520 --> 02:17:22,540
made taking steps to do be able to operate out of Key West is it is an ideal I

1568
02:17:22,540 --> 02:17:26,000
don't know but that's the step that has already been taken the buildings not

1569
02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:31,980
even built yet I'm assuming that it would maybe be ready for by the end of

1570
02:17:31,980 --> 02:17:35,560
the year most to be in completed right I mean is if everything keeps in its

1571
02:17:35,560 --> 02:17:39,860
target states it could be a January 1 it could be a February 1 I mean I don't

1572
02:17:39,860 --> 02:17:46,340
have that magic but it makes it as close to being yeah yeah um there's no overhead doors on it or

1573
02:17:46,340 --> 02:17:51,480
they're ordered and they are scheduled to be installed so is it wired or no that's because

1574
02:17:52,220 --> 02:17:56,420
when we go to the wire it right we're not going to wire it for a separate service

1575
02:17:56,980 --> 02:18:00,760
to be on the building means we've already got our service inside the building we can just

1576
02:18:00,760 --> 02:18:04,960
poke a hole through the wall sure you know and save on the financial end I need to know what we

1577
02:18:04,960 --> 02:18:09,520
want to do that they can move forward. Yeah, I mean I think by you know in all

1578
02:18:09,520 --> 02:18:14,420
fairness I mean we can make that decision right now or we can actually step

1579
02:18:14,420 --> 02:18:17,640
back and think about it for the next two weeks and on December 1st we could make

1580
02:18:17,640 --> 02:18:23,140
a make a decision. I mean and that's you know that's a decision that obviously

1581
02:18:23,140 --> 02:18:27,020
we're not going to make we're just looking for a decision you know to move

1582
02:18:27,020 --> 02:18:31,400
forward and on the flip side of it you know we understand no matter what

1583
02:18:31,400 --> 02:18:34,000
What happened when this building got started?

1584
02:18:34,880 --> 02:18:39,080
I think when Steve Maggers provided the quotes, he's like, hey, the earliest I got anybody

1585
02:18:39,080 --> 02:18:40,400
that can get there would be October.

1586
02:18:41,020 --> 02:18:44,080
We started the building pretty much at the end of October with our contractor.

1587
02:18:45,020 --> 02:18:54,120
So this winner was going to be doomed from day one unless there was a clear definition

1588
02:18:54,120 --> 02:18:58,160
of who owned the building when that building blew over that great Friday night.

1589
02:19:00,400 --> 02:19:08,220
So, like I said, going forward, me personally, I understand as a community, the roads department,

1590
02:19:08,520 --> 02:19:11,660
are they going to be as good as they have been the last 25 years with Dan Larkin running

1591
02:19:11,660 --> 02:19:15,040
the road, you know, running that equipment over the hard surface roads?

1592
02:19:15,400 --> 02:19:22,740
Probably not because there's just the complexity of things changing, things moving.

1593
02:19:22,740 --> 02:19:29,620
So, we're hoping that we can get an answer so that way come April 1, you guys look at

1594
02:19:29,620 --> 02:19:33,800
your books and everything happens and all of a sudden it's like, you know what, that

1595
02:19:33,800 --> 02:19:40,340
would have been a great deal to officially say, hey, let's go with 250, go with 500,

1596
02:19:40,440 --> 02:19:45,200
go with something to get back in that building and then we've already wired it and made

1597
02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:47,900
changes to the building that's going to be, you know.

1598
02:19:48,160 --> 02:19:49,160
Totally understand that.

1599
02:19:49,280 --> 02:19:51,160
You need an answer that you know how to perceive.

1600
02:19:51,160 --> 02:19:56,700
So then the other question we have is you know the salt sheds in in there yet is at the firehouse yet

1601
02:19:56,700 --> 02:20:02,420
Or in the county's shop there. I know Russ said that you guys are planning on running a hundred percent out of Key West

1602
02:20:02,420 --> 02:20:04,380
So what is the plan for?

1603
02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:06,580
for that salt shed is that

1604
02:20:07,560 --> 02:20:13,560
No, is that our responsive ability to remove it if you guys decide not to come back is it your guys's responsibility?

1605
02:20:14,100 --> 02:20:17,140
I mean we've you know, I've been the email has said hey

1606
02:20:17,140 --> 02:20:21,640
you know, what's the decision, you know, if you guys want to park an escalator, a backhoe there,

1607
02:20:21,860 --> 02:20:27,460
a loader tractor to utilize that salt shed, because I don't know how many loads it takes

1608
02:20:28,900 --> 02:20:37,540
to do that route, you know, is it cost effective to let a backhoe in Bernard to use that salt

1609
02:20:37,540 --> 02:20:42,420
shed for the winter, just to cut down on, you know, from the end of the route, I'll

1610
02:20:42,420 --> 02:20:45,740
go back to Key West and come back out again, how much, you know, on the timing of that,

1611
02:20:45,740 --> 02:20:51,060
I understand that, you know, everybody only works X amount of hours a day, but can that

1612
02:20:51,060 --> 02:20:54,300
be at least shortened down?

1613
02:20:54,720 --> 02:20:59,860
That would be a rough question on the salt shed, that ours theirs, what is it rough sir?

1614
02:21:00,900 --> 02:21:09,060
That salt shed is ours, it stays there, but we have not received any information on the

1615
02:21:09,060 --> 02:21:15,220
cost or lease or agreement on utilizing it, so we haven't evaluated it because we

1616
02:21:15,220 --> 02:21:21,200
don't have information. What would your opinion be on lanes at zero? I'm up to

1617
02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:28,280
250 in that range. Would that work for the county roads? I'm more aligned with

1618
02:21:28,280 --> 02:21:36,820
the zero dollars and continuing what we had. But if there comes a number

1619
02:21:36,820 --> 02:21:43,980
whatever it may be happy to take a look at it and evaluate it with the next

1620
02:21:43,980 --> 02:21:54,000
person or staff accordingly and but the salt shed would be a benefit to us to

1621
02:21:54,000 --> 02:22:01,000
operate out of or to have material on you know in that territory but like I

1622
02:22:01,000 --> 02:22:06,280
mentioned we have not received any number on what that would take or what

1623
02:22:06,280 --> 02:22:12,140
kind of agreement that is so we can we can remove it right now if it's in

1624
02:22:12,140 --> 02:22:17,340
their way and they wish for it not to be there, but it is ours and we plan on

1625
02:22:17,340 --> 02:22:23,780
removing it. It's just we didn't do it yet based on we don't know if we're gonna

1626
02:22:23,780 --> 02:22:27,600
utilize it yet this winter or we're gonna just remove it. And what time?

1627
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:32,540
Mike, do you have enough information to go back to your board and see if you can

1628
02:22:32,540 --> 02:22:35,000
come up with something and come back for the first?

1629
02:22:37,900 --> 02:22:44,980
I'm sure we got enough information we can take it back and go back to the board and see

1630
02:22:44,980 --> 02:22:45,680
what they want to say.

1631
02:22:46,120 --> 02:22:50,620
Let's see what the board says, come back on December 1st and we can hopefully make a decision

1632
02:22:50,620 --> 02:22:52,300
at that point that you know where you're at.

1633
02:22:52,760 --> 02:22:54,780
The only thing would be at this point, time for the salt shed.

1634
02:22:55,840 --> 02:22:57,680
We've got nothing against it being used.

1635
02:22:58,520 --> 02:22:59,260
One bit at all.

1636
02:22:59,400 --> 02:23:04,060
There's enough room back there for the salt sheds out of the way of the doors.

1637
02:23:04,060 --> 02:23:08,280
There's plenty enough room there to put a backhoe there to load out

1638
02:23:08,280 --> 02:23:13,080
But there's no power to that the pole that you could at least plug into so it's a matter of

1639
02:23:13,900 --> 02:23:14,460
you know

1640
02:23:15,260 --> 02:23:20,980
If you guys want to you truly want to utilize that whether it's five bucks a month or no cost whatever

1641
02:23:20,980 --> 02:23:23,580
I mean, that's something we get figured out. I mean

1642
02:23:23,580 --> 02:23:29,120
We're not gonna be in a hurry to run power to that pole because on the rescue in the side

1643
02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:34,740
But we don't have a need to put power out there unless it's needed there, right?

1644
02:23:34,860 --> 02:23:38,600
Well, we want to obviously move forward that you know where you're at

1645
02:23:38,600 --> 02:23:43,080
I mean, I understand where you're at. You don't know which way to turn either. Correct. So we got it

1646
02:23:43,080 --> 02:23:47,140
We have to come up with something so you go to your board come up with you know

1647
02:23:48,140 --> 02:23:50,680
You know where my recommendation is you know where Wayne's at

1648
02:23:51,800 --> 02:23:56,560
Russ everybody and you come back December 1st. Hopefully we can make a decision at that point

1649
02:23:56,560 --> 02:23:58,040
You know where you're at. We know where we're at

1650
02:24:00,600 --> 02:24:04,180
Okay, yeah to sum first I don't know if we'll have personnel here on hand

1651
02:24:04,700 --> 02:24:08,060
because obviously we're you know everybody's taking time off to be in here

1652
02:24:08,060 --> 02:24:12,480
so we might have to. I understand if you want to if you can send a letter out you

1653
02:24:12,480 --> 02:24:18,200
know just saying what the board said so going forward being Russ's last day is

1654
02:24:18,200 --> 02:24:24,200
the first second do I just continue to email that information to three of you

1655
02:24:24,200 --> 02:24:28,100
yeah that's fine not that be at that point in time and obviously we'll put

1656
02:24:28,100 --> 02:24:33,300
Russell on there just in case his email gets forward on however that works that

1657
02:24:33,300 --> 02:24:37,880
you know that's not your next board meeting what's your next board meeting

1658
02:24:37,880 --> 02:24:42,320
our official next board meeting to the third Monday of January but I'm sure we

1659
02:24:42,320 --> 02:24:47,080
can hold something prior to that to discuss that so it would be good for

1660
02:24:47,080 --> 02:24:51,140
me to know what your insurance cost will be and you I think you could get a

1661
02:24:51,140 --> 02:24:55,380
quote certainly from your insurance agent the building size they mean it's

1662
02:24:55,380 --> 02:25:00,040
it's known. Yeah. Right. And you're not going to budget more than what you're getting from the

1663
02:25:00,040 --> 02:25:06,340
insurance company. It's fair. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously, that's all part of stuff going forward.

1664
02:25:06,880 --> 02:25:11,360
So I obviously do not want to leave the citizens of Bernard in a bad space.

1665
02:25:12,680 --> 02:25:16,660
No. And yeah, I mean, I lived two miles from the firehouse. Yeah, I appreciate the roads

1666
02:25:16,660 --> 02:25:22,880
getting cleaned off and but we're just trying to make this from day one, I guess we can call

1667
02:25:22,880 --> 02:25:29,420
it now, going forward. And I know there's been discussion of going to film or going

1668
02:25:29,420 --> 02:25:35,780
here, going there, but it's just a matter of where, who, what, when, where, why.

1669
02:25:36,260 --> 02:25:40,180
Well, hindsight being 20-20, there'll probably be better documentation this time than there

1670
02:25:40,180 --> 02:25:40,920
was last night.

1671
02:25:41,080 --> 02:25:45,660
Just the Scotia better. God bless a notebook that was found at four in the morning.

1672
02:25:46,000 --> 02:25:46,380
Yeah.

1673
02:25:46,920 --> 02:25:47,320
Okay.

1674
02:25:47,680 --> 02:25:48,820
All right. That's all we got.

1675
02:25:48,900 --> 02:25:49,260
Thank you, Mike.

1676
02:25:49,480 --> 02:25:49,640
Thanks, guys.

1677
02:25:49,640 --> 02:25:49,980
Thank you, Mike.

1678
02:25:53,370 --> 02:26:00,170
One last note, Mike, do you know what Bernard Fire Department pays

1679
02:26:00,170 --> 02:26:01,510
in rent for their two stalls?

1680
02:26:02,070 --> 02:26:03,550
Yeah, I'm not going to release that here at all.

1681
02:26:04,830 --> 02:26:06,470
That might be good information and all,

1682
02:26:06,610 --> 02:26:10,370
and whether utilities are included in that going forward.

1683
02:26:10,610 --> 02:26:13,570
And I know we had insurance on that building as well.

1684
02:26:13,830 --> 02:26:14,890
So we got a quote.

1685
02:26:16,230 --> 02:26:18,990
It was like 190, some thousand stuff.

1686
02:26:20,190 --> 02:26:31,870
Yeah, so 190 some thousand. So our insurance was was there prepared to replace it until things unfolded and you're all aware of that as well. So thank you, Russell.

1687
02:26:32,150 --> 02:26:33,010
Yep. Thanks, Russ.

1688
02:26:34,070 --> 02:26:39,290
Okay, next work session discussion and possible action Hillcrest RCF transition.

1689
02:26:40,730 --> 02:26:41,310
Thanks,

1690
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:49,320
Junior.

1691
02:26:50,120 --> 02:26:50,300
Thanks.

1692
02:26:50,300 --> 02:26:55,640
Good morning, supervisors, and thank you for having us here today.

1693
02:26:56,400 --> 02:27:01,360
For the record, my name is Mike Fidgen, President and CEO of Hillcrest Family Services, and my

1694
02:27:01,360 --> 02:27:04,660
business address is 2005, Asbury Road, Dubuque.

1695
02:27:05,500 --> 02:27:09,980
With me today is John Bellini, our Vice President of Residential Operations, Shauna Williams,

1696
02:27:10,320 --> 02:27:14,940
Program Manager for our five-person adult group homes, and Jean Whitney, Hillcrest

1697
02:27:14,940 --> 02:27:17,640
Director of Compliance and Quality Improvement.

1698
02:27:17,640 --> 02:27:26,980
Hillcrest currently operates a 75-bed residential care facility and PMI program at 13034 Cyple

1699
02:27:26,980 --> 02:27:27,300
Road.

1700
02:27:28,040 --> 02:27:32,900
Over the past several months, we've been in ongoing discussions with Iowa Medicaid,

1701
02:27:33,340 --> 02:27:39,100
the Division of Disability and Aging Services, and DHS leadership prior to Director Garcia's

1702
02:27:39,100 --> 02:27:41,880
last day as director on October 31st.

1703
02:27:42,520 --> 02:27:46,000
We request a rate improvement to make a large facility sustainable.

1704
02:27:46,000 --> 02:27:51,060
that request was not approved. At the same time, the state reaffirmed its

1705
02:27:51,060 --> 02:27:55,000
direction towards smaller home and community-based services homes

1706
02:27:55,000 --> 02:27:59,920
where individuals receive more individualized support. Once that

1707
02:27:59,920 --> 02:28:03,100
direction was clear, Hillcrest moved quickly and proactively to build a

1708
02:28:03,100 --> 02:28:07,180
solution that works for the state, for our residents, for our staff, and for

1709
02:28:07,180 --> 02:28:10,880
the greater Dubuque region. It's important to note that Cyple Road

1710
02:28:10,880 --> 02:28:14,960
programs have never operated in isolation. For years, they have worked

1711
02:28:14,960 --> 02:28:20,620
hand-in-hand with our four existing five-person adult group homes in Dubuque, creating a true

1712
02:28:20,620 --> 02:28:26,480
ecosystem of care. Residents step down into smaller homes when they are ready and step back up

1713
02:28:26,480 --> 02:28:31,720
to more structured support when they need stabilization. Under the transition, we're

1714
02:28:31,720 --> 02:28:40,000
proposing the 75-bed facility at Cyple Road will be restructured into a 15-person HCBS home

1715
02:28:40,000 --> 02:28:47,360
and a five-person PMI home for individuals with higher acuity or longer term ties to Hillcrest.

1716
02:28:48,100 --> 02:28:54,400
At the same time, Hillcrest will open six new five-person HCBS homes throughout the Buick,

1717
02:28:54,660 --> 02:29:00,180
centrally located on bus lines, near parks and shopping, and close to our therapist, prescribers,

1718
02:29:00,400 --> 02:29:04,900
and our walk-in crisis center, a new-day clinic, which is opposite Flora Park.

1719
02:29:04,900 --> 02:29:10,360
work. These homes will improve rapid access to services, reduce transportation barriers,

1720
02:29:10,840 --> 02:29:14,940
and strengthen community integration, and provide the dignity and independence that

1721
02:29:14,940 --> 02:29:20,860
reflect best practices in brain health, mental health, and behavioral healthcare. This transition

1722
02:29:20,860 --> 02:29:28,180
is also directly supported supporting the greater Dubuque region. Smaller HCBS homes

1723
02:29:28,180 --> 02:29:33,380
consistently result in fewer elopements, fewer law enforcement calls, fewer emergency

1724
02:29:33,380 --> 02:29:36,180
transports and fewer unnecessary hospitalizations.

1725
02:29:37,060 --> 02:29:41,840
Our board includes the police chief, the county sheriff, and leaders from Mercy and Unity Point

1726
02:29:41,840 --> 02:29:46,920
Finlay, all of whom support this plan because they see every day the stabilizing impact

1727
02:29:47,300 --> 02:29:49,260
of this community care system design.

1728
02:29:50,100 --> 02:29:55,420
Finally, this redesign is financially responsible and aligns Hillcrest with Iowa's long-term

1729
02:29:55,420 --> 02:29:56,420
system strategy.

1730
02:29:56,420 --> 02:29:59,880
What we are asking today is a straightforward and required

1731
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:09,880
under Iowa code 135C.6C. County verification of no over-concentration, county support of the

1732
02:30:09,880 --> 02:30:15,640
program, and county confirmation of needs so the state can approve the homes. The draft

1733
02:30:15,640 --> 02:30:20,840
letters in your packet fulfills those requirements. And with that, I'd like to turn things over

1734
02:30:20,840 --> 02:30:26,300
to John Blaney, who will walk through the home locations, statutory details, and contents

1735
02:30:26,300 --> 02:30:26,980
of the letters.

1736
02:30:28,040 --> 02:30:35,360
Mike, just a question. The current Julian Care facility, you said it's 75 beds, right?

1737
02:30:35,600 --> 02:30:36,920
Between the two programs, yes.

1738
02:30:37,580 --> 02:30:38,980
And it's getting cut down to 30?

1739
02:30:39,900 --> 02:30:42,620
Correct. So, I can explain more in...

1740
02:30:42,620 --> 02:30:42,860
Okay.

1741
02:30:42,940 --> 02:30:45,260
Yeah, I mean, it is so...

1742
02:30:45,260 --> 02:30:49,840
So, Janet, my question that I'd like to have you answer is about how this is not over-concentration.

1743
02:30:50,380 --> 02:30:53,040
All of the buildings you're proposing are within a block.

1744
02:30:53,740 --> 02:30:58,600
So, the over-concentration in the state of Iowa is not defined, and it's not defined.

1745
02:30:58,720 --> 02:31:00,560
The only state that defines it is California.

1746
02:31:01,380 --> 02:31:08,860
So there is no, and in your area, ultimately, we have, you have three criteria, which doesn't

1747
02:31:08,860 --> 02:31:10,380
address the over-concentration.

1748
02:31:10,520 --> 02:31:14,980
So we're asking for a letter that talks about the quantity of services currently

1749
02:31:14,980 --> 02:31:20,040
available in the county is insufficient to meet the need, B, the quantity of affordable

1750
02:31:20,040 --> 02:31:21,760
rental housing in the county is imposition.

1751
02:31:22,660 --> 02:31:28,820
see the implementation of the program will cause a reduction in the size or quantity of a large congregate program.

1752
02:31:29,340 --> 02:31:34,600
So for the letter, I put all three in there to meet the Department of Health and Human Services Code.

1753
02:31:34,880 --> 02:31:41,520
You just got to address one of them. So we believe the reduction of the 66 bed is a major need

1754
02:31:41,520 --> 02:31:44,680
and it's a need statewide trying to reduce institutions.

1755
02:31:44,680 --> 02:31:55,020
For us, the reduction to your question, we believe would allow us to serve an acute population

1756
02:31:55,500 --> 02:32:00,740
and do it within the HCBS settings, which is home and community-based services, and allow

1757
02:32:00,740 --> 02:32:03,900
those people more community integration than a larger facility would.

1758
02:32:05,200 --> 02:32:10,020
It's a laudable goal for sure, but you're not asking us to say that this doesn't result

1759
02:32:10,020 --> 02:32:11,220
in over-concentration.

1760
02:32:11,220 --> 02:32:15,160
The code just asked one of the three of the following that I described earlier.

1761
02:32:16,300 --> 02:32:22,880
Again, I can tell you that the over-concentration is not defined in our research with the department.

1762
02:32:22,900 --> 02:32:27,360
That's fine. I just don't want to be certifying that it is, that it is not over-concentrated

1763
02:32:27,360 --> 02:32:29,780
because of the geographical relation to each other.

1764
02:32:30,060 --> 02:32:30,240
Correct.

1765
02:32:30,440 --> 02:32:32,540
But we won't base it upon that. We'll base it upon something.

1766
02:32:32,620 --> 02:32:35,720
And the letter that I have drafted to you doesn't talk about over-concentration.

1767
02:32:36,120 --> 02:32:36,280
Great.

1768
02:32:36,280 --> 02:32:41,100
What happens to the, I guess, the rest of the beds that are at Julian care facility?

1769
02:32:41,760 --> 02:32:43,820
I mean, so far, it's half of the building.

1770
02:32:44,540 --> 02:32:48,340
Now, the five bed is a separate going to be utilized fully.

1771
02:32:48,680 --> 02:32:51,920
It was licensed for nine. We're going to ask the state reduce it to five.

1772
02:32:52,240 --> 02:32:54,160
So that that wing will be utilized.

1773
02:32:54,520 --> 02:32:59,860
We would look at potential day habilitation services in the other wing, Harley,

1774
02:33:00,060 --> 02:33:04,880
that will allow us to bring clients out in the community and have activities and move there.

1775
02:33:04,880 --> 02:33:09,980
So we would be applying for home and community-based services on a dehabilitation waiver, and then

1776
02:33:09,980 --> 02:33:12,800
one smaller wing would probably be unoccupied.

1777
02:33:16,700 --> 02:33:23,600
So for us, ultimately, if there's no questions on the code, I can move from that.

1778
02:33:24,160 --> 02:33:27,980
Ultimately, the code currently says we just need a letter of support.

1779
02:33:28,300 --> 02:33:35,660
For us, it is really moving with the state's interest in mind to provide better services

1780
02:33:35,660 --> 02:33:36,420
for our clients.

1781
02:33:36,420 --> 02:33:39,380
It's ultimately where we believe in the HCBS settings

1782
02:33:39,800 --> 02:33:40,840
that we can do that.

1783
02:33:41,080 --> 02:33:42,900
We can be more integrated in the community.

1784
02:33:43,260 --> 02:33:45,880
We're very proud that the services

1785
02:33:45,880 --> 02:33:47,880
would be, again, more integrated,

1786
02:33:48,200 --> 02:33:50,380
I think better for the clients that we serve.

1787
02:33:50,900 --> 02:33:52,120
The other thing that we're proud of,

1788
02:33:52,380 --> 02:33:55,260
it would be an expansion oftentimes in our world

1789
02:33:55,700 --> 02:33:58,400
where reducing workforce, we're laying off people,

1790
02:33:58,520 --> 02:34:00,340
we're looking at this or that

1791
02:34:00,340 --> 02:34:02,540
with budget constraints at the state level.

1792
02:34:02,740 --> 02:34:04,400
We're going to increase the workforce,

1793
02:34:04,400 --> 02:34:10,660
increase programs. So for us, even though the big number goes down, the increase of

1794
02:34:10,660 --> 02:34:15,240
staff and people for the positions will increase. So I think that's a positive

1795
02:34:15,240 --> 02:34:21,480
for the community as well. I know that I know some kids that are in housing units

1796
02:34:21,480 --> 02:34:27,520
such as you're talking about going to and they do excel. They definitely do

1797
02:34:27,520 --> 02:34:32,160
better in smaller group settings like that like four or five whatever than

1798
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:33,180
they do in large savings?

1799
02:34:33,960 --> 02:34:36,380
So it definitely is good for our community.

1800
02:34:37,920 --> 02:34:41,400
The question is that is it and it's not my question.

1801
02:34:41,740 --> 02:34:44,520
It is my concern for you that you are well aware of,

1802
02:34:44,660 --> 02:34:48,380
which is financial viability of how you make these numbers run

1803
02:34:48,380 --> 02:34:51,420
based on the reimbursement rate, based on your heavy staffing

1804
02:34:51,420 --> 02:34:56,260
needs, all those other concerns that there's nothing

1805
02:34:56,260 --> 02:34:58,040
that anyone in this room gets to do about.

1806
02:34:58,420 --> 02:35:01,300
That's being decided by people who are not here.

1807
02:35:01,300 --> 02:35:06,660
So I also applaud that it will be smaller concentrations of folks.

1808
02:35:07,240 --> 02:35:13,380
I don't know how we can best advocate for you other than responding to your request for a letter of support.

1809
02:35:13,740 --> 02:35:17,280
I'm assuming you're in the controls, you know where you're headed, you need a letter of support.

1810
02:35:17,820 --> 02:35:19,260
I think we're happy to do that.

1811
02:35:20,120 --> 02:35:21,780
Thank you. Mike had a comment.

1812
02:35:21,780 --> 02:35:31,300
Yeah, I appreciate the question and as mentioned we went to Kelly and DHS for a rate increase

1813
02:35:31,300 --> 02:35:37,760
was the original plan that we had and as you're aware with the change to the ASO we were two

1814
02:35:37,760 --> 02:35:44,060
months three months into this budget year we had a preliminary approved budget from our board

1815
02:35:44,820 --> 02:35:50,520
requesting us to re-forecast for the second half of the year this was one of our dilemmas

1816
02:35:51,780 --> 02:35:58,500
The Diane Breck's RCF is a similar type of situation with an RCF,

1817
02:35:58,820 --> 02:36:03,460
and the state was not going to improve the overall rate as we move

1818
02:36:03,460 --> 02:36:10,980
into these five person adult group homes while we'll ultimately serve fewer people compared

1819
02:36:10,980 --> 02:36:18,840
to the capacity at the RCF right now, even moving 30 of those into the person adult group homes.

1820
02:36:18,840 --> 02:36:25,540
the HCBS rates are improved, and if we can also get the 15 and the 5 at the

1821
02:36:26,480 --> 02:36:32,020
location out at Cyple, then we've crunched the numbers that that will work for us

1822
02:36:32,020 --> 02:36:36,640
and be a better, more cost-effective, sustainable plan.

1823
02:36:37,240 --> 02:36:39,600
But a lot of things have to happen for all those to come together.

1824
02:36:39,860 --> 02:36:46,740
You led on that facility years ago with Julie Hidershite creating a necessary resource,

1825
02:36:46,740 --> 02:36:56,480
And the state also undercut your legs then, too, and said that the compensation for that was insufficient to offset the day-to-day costs.

1826
02:36:56,900 --> 02:37:00,840
So we're all in this new world, certainly improvements are being made.

1827
02:37:01,200 --> 02:37:06,700
I'm hearing good things about what I call the ASO, but I understand.

1828
02:37:07,500 --> 02:37:11,380
I probably don't understand, but I'm concerned about the financial dilemmas you face.

1829
02:37:11,380 --> 02:37:18,320
Yeah, I would just add to that in going in my sixth year here and understanding some

1830
02:37:18,320 --> 02:37:27,380
of the history from some of my predecessors in my role, one of the situations that I inherited

1831
02:37:27,380 --> 02:37:33,240
when I came in in the middle of COVID was a fair amount of unused and underused space

1832
02:37:33,240 --> 02:37:39,560
across Hillcrest's footprint, and that was especially true here in Dubuque.

1833
02:37:39,560 --> 02:37:47,100
the school building being probably the most costly at one point in time and we've been

1834
02:37:47,100 --> 02:37:50,780
fortunate to provide services through our crisis walk and center there.

1835
02:37:51,220 --> 02:37:57,700
This is actually going to address some of our underused and unused properties in a good

1836
02:37:57,700 --> 02:38:04,260
way because we'll be able to transfer some of that cost under those contracts and under

1837
02:38:04,260 --> 02:38:05,440
those GLs.

1838
02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:06,320
Good.

1839
02:38:06,320 --> 02:38:06,520
Thank you.

1840
02:38:07,480 --> 02:38:07,880
I

1841
02:38:10,530 --> 02:38:22,110
can make a motion to authorize the chair to sign the letter of support that was received

1842
02:38:22,110 --> 02:38:23,570
from Hillcraft.

1843
02:38:23,750 --> 02:38:27,130
What I'll do, if it's all right, I'll send you the contact.

1844
02:38:27,410 --> 02:38:30,890
So I left those pieces open, but the meat of the letter would be the same.

1845
02:38:31,210 --> 02:38:35,430
So I'll send you the Medicaid contact in an e-mail to you, Harlan.

1846
02:38:35,470 --> 02:38:36,690
Unless you want to send it to Keith.

1847
02:38:36,690 --> 02:38:40,050
Send it to Keith and he'll forward to me for a docu-sign.

1848
02:38:40,410 --> 02:38:41,510
I'll second the motion.

1849
02:38:42,050 --> 02:38:52,950
I'll have a motion and a second to support Neil Kratz family services request all in favor, signify by aye.

1850
02:38:53,130 --> 02:38:53,350
Aye.

1851
02:38:54,310 --> 02:38:54,470
Aye.

1852
02:38:55,670 --> 02:38:56,430
Thanks, Mike.

1853
02:38:56,810 --> 02:38:57,310
Thanks, John.

1854
02:38:58,070 --> 02:39:01,550
Next we have a work session discussion on Robert's Rules of Order.

1855
02:39:02,250 --> 02:39:03,690
Blaine, you put that on?

1856
02:39:04,290 --> 02:39:04,990
I did.

1857
02:39:04,990 --> 02:39:13,410
It's something that has been discussed and it was kind of, I'll say dampened, but it

1858
02:39:13,410 --> 02:39:18,490
was brought to my attention again by some supervisors in neighboring counties and also

1859
02:39:18,490 --> 02:39:29,290
some supervisors far and wide regarding our practice of putting work sessions with possible

1860
02:39:29,290 --> 02:39:37,130
action on the agenda. And I've questioned that for some time myself, but after, you

1861
02:39:37,130 --> 02:39:41,990
know, other discussions, I kind of just left it alone. But when somebody else brought it

1862
02:39:41,990 --> 02:39:47,530
to my attention, I think it's worth discussing. And I think, you know, a work session obviously,

1863
02:39:47,970 --> 02:39:54,010
you know, has a definition. And the purpose of a work session is to gather information,

1864
02:39:54,010 --> 02:40:04,810
information, discuss information, and basically preparation, but not officially make decisions.

1865
02:40:05,630 --> 02:40:17,990
And I think if we have an issue that is ready to have action or following a discussion have

1866
02:40:17,990 --> 02:40:23,630
action, I think it should in fact be an action item because I think it changes the dynamics

1867
02:40:23,630 --> 02:40:24,870
of those conversations.

1868
02:40:25,510 --> 02:40:26,110
It doesn't.

1869
02:40:27,910 --> 02:40:33,070
Generally, the work sessions are, should be, I mean, we've made motions today, but should be,

1870
02:40:33,590 --> 02:40:36,990
consensus, and then it should come back in a resolution on the next meeting.

1871
02:40:39,200 --> 02:40:42,700
And if that's the case, I don't disagree with it happening that way.

1872
02:40:43,200 --> 02:40:43,880
That's the way it is.

1873
02:40:43,880 --> 02:40:49,220
But we've also, and I know we've done it today, but again, you have to have this conversation

1874
02:40:49,220 --> 02:40:53,200
at some point in time, and it would have really kind of made the rest of the meeting

1875
02:40:53,200 --> 02:40:59,040
being difficult to have it at the beginning of the meeting and then make those changes.

1876
02:40:59,700 --> 02:41:09,080
So I really think that, you know, a work session is to have discussion and yes, we may have

1877
02:41:09,720 --> 02:41:17,320
reached consensus, but I don't think it should be labeled as possible action.

1878
02:41:17,320 --> 02:41:22,860
I think we're looking for consensus to put it on the next meeting as a resolution.

1879
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:29,860
I agree with that and I hope we can clear that because the number of work sessions where

1880
02:41:29,860 --> 02:41:39,200
we discuss and, you know, a lot of times perhaps one or two of the supervisors may have some

1881
02:41:39,200 --> 02:41:46,100
of that information and it may be new to a third supervisor and we're taking that

1882
02:41:46,100 --> 02:41:51,720
action. And I really think that's where we need to make that minor adjustment. Instead

1883
02:41:51,720 --> 02:41:57,340
of saying work session with possible action, it's just a work session. And any action

1884
02:41:58,020 --> 02:41:59,460
would be taken at the next meeting.

1885
02:41:59,960 --> 02:42:05,240
That's come from years past. I mean, something that just started, it's been, but it should

1886
02:42:05,240 --> 02:42:11,000
be for consensus. And then the next meeting, you'd have the resolution regarding your

1887
02:42:11,000 --> 02:42:11,440
work session.

1888
02:42:11,440 --> 02:42:19,040
I'm great with that. I think that makes a lot of good sense and and put structure as as it would be beneficial, so

1889
02:42:20,360 --> 02:42:28,300
Yeah, I mean I think you we can decide whatever we want it differs to the chair always to the chair and

1890
02:42:29,180 --> 02:42:35,700
We're looking for consensus. I mean, oh, but the point is today. We violated the very thing that you're gonna make hard fast

1891
02:42:36,400 --> 02:42:39,920
These meetings don't intentionally run so that things happen quickly

1892
02:42:40,860 --> 02:42:42,320
When I was at the chair

1893
02:42:42,320 --> 02:42:53,220
Work sessions were never meant to approve any funding of any kind because the citizens never had a chance to even weigh in on how we were spending their money.

1894
02:42:53,780 --> 02:42:56,680
It had to be some kind of an emergency purpose to do that.

1895
02:42:57,240 --> 02:43:04,440
Now, we talked about the airlines several times and then it came up as a work session with possible action.

1896
02:43:05,300 --> 02:43:11,100
That possible action just means that if there's a need to take action, it doesn't have to be financial. It can happen.

1897
02:43:13,500 --> 02:43:21,020
But the four years, the two years I was on the board and you were nine, we didn't have possible action, possible action.

1898
02:43:21,140 --> 02:43:25,460
When Dawn Sherman made this agenda, it didn't have possible action in every work session.

1899
02:43:25,840 --> 02:43:26,800
Not everyone, no.

1900
02:43:26,840 --> 02:43:27,900
Right, but it is now.

1901
02:43:29,260 --> 02:43:32,560
Because we don't know what we're not sure, clear what the goal is.

1902
02:43:33,380 --> 02:43:38,580
So, I mean, it's all good, but we don't have any formal adoption of any kind of rules.

1903
02:43:39,140 --> 02:43:44,760
And I've asked about that time and time again too, and it's like, well, we do we do because we let the chair

1904
02:43:44,760 --> 02:43:50,300
We try to govern by consensus and let the chair make the calls, right? That's how this runs

1905
02:43:50,980 --> 02:43:53,040
It's fine. If you don't want to have

1906
02:43:53,640 --> 02:43:58,980
Financial things in an emergency type situation for funding or whatever. It's all good

1907
02:43:58,980 --> 02:44:02,880
I don't think we need to have a discussion about it. That's what yeah, that's what emergency means

1908
02:44:03,340 --> 02:44:04,640
Robert's rules or orders are

1909
02:44:06,060 --> 02:44:12,180
guidelines do not law, you know, this is not how we talk to, but when county has

1910
02:44:12,180 --> 02:44:18,140
educational sessions and work sessions and public input sessions, they're full

1911
02:44:18,140 --> 02:44:24,280
time paid what 160 a year. So every county has their own way of going about

1912
02:44:24,280 --> 02:44:30,160
this. Well it almost sounded for a minute like we agreed. We simply

1913
02:44:30,160 --> 02:44:32,860
we want to do away with the possible action.

1914
02:44:33,200 --> 02:44:34,100
That's best we can.

1915
02:44:34,360 --> 02:44:34,820
That's perfect.

1916
02:44:35,300 --> 02:44:36,120
That's best we can.

1917
02:44:36,380 --> 02:44:37,320
There are some.

1918
02:44:38,320 --> 02:44:39,580
We're exactly where we started.

1919
02:44:40,580 --> 02:44:41,560
I don't feel that way.

1920
02:44:41,780 --> 02:44:43,460
I think we've made an adjustment

1921
02:44:43,460 --> 02:44:46,420
that we can at least go into a work session

1922
02:44:46,420 --> 02:44:50,620
without the idea that there's going to be an action there.

1923
02:44:51,660 --> 02:44:53,000
So I'm good with it.

1924
02:44:53,200 --> 02:44:54,020
I think we're good with it.

1925
02:44:54,560 --> 02:44:56,380
I think if you put something on the agenda,

1926
02:44:56,380 --> 02:44:59,980
Yeah, if, you know, if it is a...

1927
02:45:01,180 --> 02:45:07,420
It's an emergency type situation. You put work session with possible action, otherwise it's

1928
02:45:07,420 --> 02:45:13,720
just work session. If it's something that has to be, you know, is time sensitive, we don't

1929
02:45:13,720 --> 02:45:19,860
have time, a lot of times. So, I just want to add that I'm also putting

1930
02:45:19,860 --> 02:45:25,140
stuff on the agenda. So, if there needs to be a change, I would like it consistent

1931
02:45:25,140 --> 02:45:28,480
and me notified as well.

1932
02:45:28,720 --> 02:45:32,420
It would be nice from a supervisor,

1933
02:45:32,820 --> 02:45:35,000
not a chair or not a vice chair,

1934
02:45:36,320 --> 02:45:40,140
to know what is an acceptable way to submit

1935
02:45:40,720 --> 02:45:44,160
and who to submit requests to meetings to.

1936
02:45:44,660 --> 02:45:46,160
You should submit them to the auditor,

1937
02:45:46,600 --> 02:45:47,900
is who I'd like to submit them to.

1938
02:45:49,060 --> 02:45:49,360
Right.

1939
02:45:49,520 --> 02:45:50,920
Correct, that's what I'm getting at.

1940
02:45:50,920 --> 02:45:56,380
So, you know, can I submit something without submitting it to you?

1941
02:45:57,320 --> 02:45:57,560
Yeah?

1942
02:45:57,840 --> 02:45:57,980
Yeah.

1943
02:45:58,080 --> 02:45:58,320
Okay.

1944
02:45:59,160 --> 02:46:04,900
So I've always submitted it to Keith as the auditor, and then it goes to Amy.

1945
02:46:05,320 --> 02:46:07,040
I mean, I...

1946
02:46:08,740 --> 02:46:09,080
Hello.

1947
02:46:09,260 --> 02:46:09,640
There we go.

1948
02:46:09,980 --> 02:46:10,680
Yeah, it makes sense.

1949
02:46:11,000 --> 02:46:13,360
Amy typically does put everything on there.

1950
02:46:13,580 --> 02:46:16,180
Sometimes we get it from another people and put their own on.

1951
02:46:16,580 --> 02:46:21,340
I would think it makes sense to copy both of us in case something happens and just

1952
02:46:21,340 --> 02:46:21,920
copy both.

1953
02:46:22,980 --> 02:46:29,360
I'll be the first one to admit, I generally just send it to you and assume that you guys

1954
02:46:29,360 --> 02:46:29,940
work together.

1955
02:46:30,460 --> 02:46:35,100
So I never know what's on the agenda since we've had a new auditor.

1956
02:46:35,700 --> 02:46:38,140
I've never known what's on the agenda until you push publish.

1957
02:46:39,860 --> 02:46:45,280
And so sometimes I get, I know what's on the agenda at Friday, sometimes I know Thursday.

1958
02:46:46,380 --> 02:46:47,680
So I don't know.

1959
02:46:48,280 --> 02:46:53,320
What the week will bring, we get emails at Sunday night.

1960
02:46:54,080 --> 02:47:00,720
It all is just a big surprise, which I don't think is the way to govern, but that's how we do it.

1961
02:47:01,820 --> 02:47:07,740
What we do is every time an agenda item is added, you would send an email to supervisors saying,

1962
02:47:07,800 --> 02:47:09,420
hey, don't reply all, but you know what?

1963
02:47:09,720 --> 02:47:11,380
I just added this to the agenda.

1964
02:47:12,220 --> 02:47:13,160
Who would be perfect?

1965
02:47:13,380 --> 02:47:14,520
At least I'd know what's coming.

1966
02:47:16,100 --> 02:47:20,740
I think it's posted on Thursday because there may be Friday morning.

1967
02:47:20,960 --> 02:47:23,360
Yeah, sometimes there's been an adjustment afterward.

1968
02:47:23,580 --> 02:47:24,320
And if something else.

1969
02:47:24,320 --> 02:47:25,620
And it's usually something minor.

1970
02:47:26,060 --> 02:47:29,940
Or if we wanted to add a document that it would help to have it in here.

1971
02:47:30,440 --> 02:47:30,800
Yeah.

1972
02:47:30,920 --> 02:47:33,820
The tentative agenda is what's required 24 hours before.

1973
02:47:34,360 --> 02:47:34,680
Yeah.

1974
02:47:34,800 --> 02:47:38,320
But yeah, we've worked with folks countywide on that just saying,

1975
02:47:38,360 --> 02:47:39,600
hey, it's great to have this stuff.

1976
02:47:39,620 --> 02:47:42,580
And other people put stuff on the agenda that have access to it.

1977
02:47:42,580 --> 02:47:48,100
I know HR and zoning they had a lot of stuff there too, but yeah

1978
02:47:48,100 --> 02:47:51,380
We said typically we'd like it, you know great if you can have it by Wednesday

1979
02:47:51,380 --> 02:47:56,980
So we can publish we're planning to publish on Thursday afternoon. That's where we're at is is it acceptable

1980
02:47:56,980 --> 02:48:02,500
Is it acceptable for me and if others want to do the same?

1981
02:48:02,640 --> 02:48:07,520
But to send an email to Amy and CC you on it. Absolutely. Okay

1982
02:48:08,920 --> 02:48:15,180
Yeah, for both, it'd be better for both on it. So we're on the same page. Hey, did you because oftentimes did you miss something?

1983
02:48:15,280 --> 02:48:18,840
I've got one more thing that just came in and that way we both are on the same page.

1984
02:48:18,920 --> 02:48:26,400
And I appreciate clearing up the fact that it doesn't have to be approved by you to go on the agenda. I think that just makes things a little better.

1985
02:48:26,520 --> 02:48:28,140
Never said it had to be approved by me.

1986
02:48:29,540 --> 02:48:35,540
Like I said, I've always sent it to you for stuff I wanted on. I guess I just assume that you guys.

1987
02:48:35,540 --> 02:48:40,100
And if you want to include a memo like we have on these here, that's up to you.

1988
02:48:40,220 --> 02:48:43,900
I just added these in just so if someone's reviewing it to have an idea what it is.

1989
02:48:43,900 --> 02:48:48,440
So Hillcrest reached out to me last week and asked that this be on the agenda and I said

1990
02:48:48,440 --> 02:48:52,500
you should probably call it the Keith Lucy or Wayne Kennecker because I don't always

1991
02:48:52,500 --> 02:48:53,660
get my stuff on the agenda.

1992
02:48:54,080 --> 02:48:59,440
I asked for repeated communication about the recorder and those things are not always

1993
02:48:59,440 --> 02:49:00,100
on the agenda.

1994
02:49:00,540 --> 02:49:04,400
So the agenda is always a surprise regardless of what you ask for.

1995
02:49:04,400 --> 02:49:11,560
There's not a we do not have a process in this county for the creation of the agenda in a transparent way. We do now

1996
02:49:13,000 --> 02:49:18,100
We just resolved that on the agenda until it's published

1997
02:49:18,100 --> 02:49:19,000
I don't yeah

1998
02:49:19,000 --> 02:49:25,460
Especially when I was chair the agenda was published the agenda was prepared and the chair knew always

1999
02:49:26,000 --> 02:49:31,220
So I don't know what what your that's the way I did I get it it but it's all good

2000
02:49:31,220 --> 02:49:37,800
We're getting here and things are happening. Yeah, if there's anything that's not being put on that you request to have on by all means

2001
02:49:37,800 --> 02:49:38,640
Let let me know

2002
02:49:41,380 --> 02:49:46,760
Excuse me. Would that be in chat? I think we've resolved that I'll make a motion to recess until

2003
02:49:47,580 --> 02:49:50,760
11. I don't think we'll have to just hold on a little bit. Huh?

2004
02:49:51,520 --> 02:49:52,500
Hold on with that.

2005
02:49:54,920 --> 02:50:00,240
Do all the supervisors which proceed with the last section? I'll renew my motion

2006
02:50:01,260 --> 02:50:05,160
which is to remove the work session from the agenda.

2007
02:50:06,620 --> 02:50:11,560
Okay, if all three are not on board, I'll just take a motion to adjourn.

2008
02:50:12,080 --> 02:50:13,280
Motion to adjourn?

2009
02:50:14,600 --> 02:50:15,340
I will second.

2010
02:50:16,160 --> 02:50:19,340
I don't even understand what's happening.

2011
02:50:19,400 --> 02:50:21,640
Motion before you is a motion to adjourn.

2012
02:50:22,900 --> 02:50:24,440
Let's back up just a second.

2013
02:50:24,580 --> 02:50:27,620
I think there's some clarification here for what's actually happening.

2014
02:50:27,620 --> 02:50:33,060
Not all three supervisors are ready to move forward with this, without all three on board.

2015
02:50:33,560 --> 02:50:34,640
I'm not going to move forward with it.

2016
02:50:35,680 --> 02:50:37,140
And that's the end of the discussion.

2017
02:50:37,420 --> 02:50:38,820
I thought consensus was two.

2018
02:50:41,120 --> 02:50:43,040
So all three supervisors being.

2019
02:50:45,320 --> 02:50:48,080
We have people that have traveled here.

2020
02:50:48,300 --> 02:50:50,160
I guess I'm confused as to why.

2021
02:50:50,580 --> 02:50:52,060
We don't even have a website.

2022
02:50:52,060 --> 02:50:54,440
You call the question on the motion to adjourn.

2023
02:50:55,620 --> 02:50:56,480
Call the question.

2024
02:50:56,780 --> 02:50:58,160
We have a motion to second on adjournment.

2025
02:51:01,760 --> 02:51:05,120
The motion is second to adjourn. All in favor signify by aye.

2026
02:51:05,320 --> 02:51:05,540
Aye.

2027
02:51:05,780 --> 02:51:05,960
Aye.

2028
02:51:06,240 --> 02:51:06,460
Aye.

2029
02:51:06,640 --> 02:51:07,960
We are adjourned. Thank you, everyone.