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One, we're now going to ask staff to begin recording

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the meeting. We're good. This meeting is being live streamed

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and publicly broadcast. The recording of this meeting will also

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be available on our website in the future. We'll call

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this meeting to order at nine o'clock. We will begin

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by sharing the land acknowledgement statement. We would like to

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begin by respectfully acknowledging that Denver County resides within the

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traditional territory and ancestral lands of the TNT. Attawader on

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Hodenoshoni and Inishinaabe peoples. We also acknowledge that various municipalities

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within the County of Duffrin reside within the treaty lands

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named under the Haldeminded of 1784, and two of the

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Williams treaties of 1818, treaty 18, the Nautilus Saga purchase

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and treaty 19, the Agitant's treaty. These traditional territories upon

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which we live and learn are steeped and rich indigenous

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history and traditions. It is with this statement that we

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declare to honour and respect the past and present connection

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of indigenous people with this land is waterways and resources.

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I'll now ask the clerk to do the roll call.

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Thank you, Warden. Councillor Krillman. Present. Councillor Garthouse.

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Here. Councillor Garrett. Councillor Hall is absent. Councillor Hawkins present.

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Councillor. Little. Present. Councillor Mills is running late. Councillor Nix.

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Here. Councillor Wrench is absent. Councillor Solomon. Is online Councillor

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Taylor. Present. Councillor White. Present. And Warden Post present. Thank

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you. Can I have a motion please to approve the

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agenda and the addendum for today? Councillor Taylor and Councillor

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Nyx. Any questions or comments? All in favor. And that's

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carried. Members may declare any pecuniary interest now or at

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any time through the meeting. Was there any pecuniary interest?

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Councillor Taylor. Yes. I had to declare a conflict. I

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think it's apologised. I don't have 10. 2. Thank you.

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And the reason being is a member of my family

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works for the County. Councillor Taylor. Was there any other

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declarations of conflict. Okay. Seeing none. Can I have a

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motion please to adopt the minutes of the statutory public

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meeting and regular meeting of Council from September 10. Councillor

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Taylor and Councillor White all in favor. And that is

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carried. We will move into proclamations delegations and presentations. We

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will have one come up on the screen there. I

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hereby proclaim September 30th as every child matters day in

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the County of Duffyn. There will be a flag raised

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at the Dufferin County Administration Office to honour the day

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on the 30th. Thank you very much for that one.

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Next we will officially proclaim the month of October 2026

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to be early Childhood Educator and Child Care Worker Appreciation

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Month in the County of Duffrin. I'd like to invite

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Sarah early years and Child Care Manager to come forward

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and accept the proclamation. Sarah, did you have anything you

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wanted to say first? Okay, perfect.

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Okay. Unfortunately, it looks like our first delegation was unable

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to attend today. That was regarding the homelessness crisis in

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Dufferin County. Um, so we will move on to the

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Food Bank Update. And I would like to welcome Heather

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Hayes, Executive Director of the Orange Bill Food Bank to

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provide an annual update on the local Food Bank usage

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and the current state of Hunger and our community and

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in the province. Come on up Heather. Y'all set up

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there in the middle. Yep. Sorry right in the middle

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there Heather. Yep.

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Just to turn your mic. There we go. Perfect. Okay.

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Um, thanks so much for having me today. I appreciate

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your time. Um, we have a presentation in front of

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the screen, but I wanted to do something a little

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different today. Um, I'm sure you've had a chance to

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read it. It's, uh, it's not great. Um, but I

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wanted to start off my presentation differently this year. So

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I wanted to state that the world is generally a

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good place. That we're fortunate to live in Canada. That

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people have good intentions and they do well if they

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can. The sunrise was glorious. This morning if you got

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a chance to see it. And the community cares about

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its neighbours or we at the Food Bank wouldn't exist.

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And we're fortunate to have all of you working on

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behalf of the residents of the county. This is not

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an easy job. And, uh, slings narrows and all the

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good things that go with it. And I say this

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in my presentation this year, because it never gets easier

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for me to give this. I'm 12 coming up on

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12 years in on this job. Um, most of you

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have some sort of relationship with me. You know me

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from, from my past work. Um, and generally I'm an

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optimistic person. But after this many years giving this presentation,

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um, I feel like I'm only leaving you with negatives,

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um, when I come out of the presentation like this.

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And I've done Grand Valley already, um, East Gary and

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leaving that. I'm like, woohoo Ray of Sunshine. She is.

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So as I was writing this, um, and preparing to

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talk to you guys today, um, I started off by

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writing, um, I had a privilege of delegating to minister

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Bethanhalvi regarding the Ontario budget. While optimistic, I'm also fully

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aware that my three minutes moved the needle. What I'm

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meant to write was, I believe that my three minutes

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did not move the needle. It's three minutes in a

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room full of people. You've been there. It's, you know,

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it's a bit of a firing line. Um, and I

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started erasing it this morning. I was typing madly and

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going, Oh gosh, can't say that. Um, and then I

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stopped. And I thought, no, no, no, my three minutes

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did matter. Okay. Like all of our three minutes in

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this world regarding whatever issue that we have. Mine is

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Food insecurity. And I will always be a voice for

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Food insecurity. Couple of months ago, I was, uh, in

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the ice cream room, uh, which is what we call

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the break room because we pay people in ice cream.

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And I'm there and I whip out my portable soapbox

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set it up and I start going off. Um, and

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a very gentle staff, um, person of mine, a lovely

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man, um, was sitting eating his lunch doesn't say a

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whole lot. And then all of a sudden he starts

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doing this. Stirring the pot and I was like, whoops.

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Okay. Time to pack up that soapbox and head out.

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And, and I thanked him later on, um, for the

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gentle reminder that sometimes I'm a lot and maybe I

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don't always have to be the biggest voice in the

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room. And then later on, um, he came back to

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me and said, you know, I didn't mean that. What

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I meant was stirring the pot is a good thing.

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And so I'm coming here today. I'm going to talk

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about food insecurity, not a rosy picture, but I also

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want to reaffirm that stirring the pod is not a

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bad thing. Having conversations, pulling up new ideas, working together

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to find a different way. You at the county, us

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at the Food Bank, at all of your municipalities, you're

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doing the absolute best that you can with what you

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have. Right. And often the issues that you face that

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often issues I face are not always in our purview

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to be able to change. Okay. But speaking up and

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saying your peace and trying to find new ways to

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engage, I think is important. So thank you for being

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those voices for us out in the community. Um, and

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I thank all the people attached to the food bank

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for their voices, uh, to make a better world and

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to do better than we're doing right now. So, okay.

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It's fine. Now it's all fine. All right. Moving on.

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Um, okay. So I'll pop back to the, uh, delegation,

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uh, to the little thing on the screen, wherever that

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happens to be. And thank you to whoever's tech savvy

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enough to pull this off. Awesome. And I'm not pushing

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these buttons, I assume. Right. Awesome. Okay. If we could

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move to the next screen, please. All right. So, um,

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reconciliation. As I mentioned last year, um, we gave up,

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uh, doing a land acknowledgement. We have one. It was

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written with brave canoe. We appreciate it. Um, but it

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wasn't really doing what we thought it needed to do.

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It was becoming, um, words in the back of our

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head as opposed to something we lived. So we now

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introduce a new Inishinabe word on a regular basis. We

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don't always get it right. Uh, to be fair. Um,

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but if we're standing on these lands, perhaps we should

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learn a little of the language of the lands we

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inhabitant. So, uh, Giza Weniman is, I appreciate you in

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brackets. I love you. So, um, cause I do. So

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moving on. Please. And thank you. Um, so year over

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year usage, um, another bizarre chart. You can see one

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of the things that always strikes me about this chart

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is A, the need goes up year over year. But

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B, you'll notice that, uh, the dark green or light

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green says COVID, little word there. Um, and that was

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when the pandemic was declared. And when, um, uh, income

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replacement was introduced, the need of the Food Bank drops

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substantially when the income, uh, support was removed, the need

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continued to grow. We actually do know how to fix

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this problem because it's an income - based problem. It

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is not, um, a people problem. Food insecurity is a

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policy failure. It's not a person failure. So since 2022,

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we've seen an 84 percent increase in need banana pants.

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If you want to flip to the next screen. Awesome.

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So this year we have distributed 700, 000 pounds of

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food out to clients and community partners. We just did

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a little bit of math for another grant that we're

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writing. And since 2011, we've actually moved 4 million pounds

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of food out of the food to the community. Uh,

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235 pounds of that was purchased because our donations have

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dropped by 11 percent this year If you look at

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the numbers from 2021, there's been an 88 percent increase

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in need. Um, If you look at the increase in

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donations from 2021, there's been a 22 percent increase. We

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cannot donate our way out of this problem. Uh, 72

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percent of what we distributed was perishable, including milk eggs,

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produce, and proteins. Um, and last year, 25, 000 plus

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visits came through Orangeville and the Grand Valley Food Banks.

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Um, some of the steerer ones, 20 percent increase of

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inflation. And 32 percent of our visitors are working with

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33 percent being kiddos. So if you want to pop

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to the next one, please and thank you. Uh, Operations

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some of the things that people don't know about the

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food bank about three years ago we had to make

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a decision our building was not big enough to support

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people to the food, we had decided to get food

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to the people. So we started really making sure that

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we moved food out into the community. So that is,

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um, making sure we had delivery supports for those who

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aren't mobile. The community markets that operate in Shelburne Grand

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Valley and Orangeville, um, with a sliding scale, uh, produce

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piece to that. The three vending machines that we have

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in the community, which this year distributed about 12, 000,

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um, 11, 600 meals to be precise out into the

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community for a dollar, uh, we guarantee personal and menstrual

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hygiene does not get to dodge that bullet and it's

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expensive. We have community garden. Uh, we supported about 700

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people in our senior market. We rescue food from all

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the grocery stores and with our community kitchen, we're able

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to process that rescued food as well as, um, once

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again, the zucchini fairies have visited the food bank, um,

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and helps us process the zucchini that comes in. Please,

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please, please 30 pound zucchinis aren't funny. Stop it. Um,

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the, and then also to support our operations and grand

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valley. We have 270 volunteers that support food bank. They

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give about 2, 800 hours. Um, a month to the

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food bank and it works out to 16 full -

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time staff, uh, at the Food Bank. It is incredible

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to do what we do. Um, requires staffing. It requires

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buildings. It requires facilities and cold storage. We are not

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acute little knot for profit. We are moving hundreds of

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thousands of pounds through the Food Bank safely and feeding

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the residents. And that has to be done in a

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safe and dignified manner. And that requires resources at the

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end of the day. Um, so if we want to

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pop off to the next slide, that'd be awesome. Great.

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So those are some of the stats I talked about.

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I did miss the X for the meals. It was

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11, 600. Our community market supported 1500 people, uh, throughout

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the county and our seniors market, um, supported over 700

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people, um, in the community, as well as our community

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food share, which supports agencies like, um, uh, FTP and

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choices, all the variations of, of choices. Um, the lighthouse,

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the other food pantries in town with about 74, 000

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pounds of food that goes out as well. We do

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that because food only comes to us in skids. And

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after a while, you can't give away Frank's Red Hot

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Fishcrackers. Just can't be done. So with those community partners,

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we're able to move and rotate food. Um, through the

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food bank. So if you want to pop to the

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next one, please and thank you. Grand Valley, I think

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most of you know that we, uh, we, we're graced

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with the offer in 2024 of Grand Valley joining our

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operation. Um, we were lucky enough last year that we

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were able to take on 27 Main Street North, which

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is the old schoolhouse, um, in Grand Valley. We have

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a lease for that building. And with some support from

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RBC and the JB Bickle Foundation, um, we were able

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to add a vending machine to the Grand Valley library.

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And we're also able to host agencies at the Food

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Bank right now. And we host care days with the

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OHT, ODSP is there on weekly basis. And the Alzheimer

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Society of Duffrin is in there on a monthly, um,

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basis in order to ensure that residents in Grand Valley

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have access to services because transportation is an issue in

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any rural community. So if you want to pop to

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the next one, please. And thank you. So Food Security

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is a community issue. I've mentioned that. It is a

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failure of policy, not a failure of people. How do

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we have an impact on that? We can talk about

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affordable housing. I understand that it is not the purview

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of municipal government that it should land provincially and federally.

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We still have to support people. We still have to

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have those conversations, uh, appropriate transportation that we are so

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blessed in Orangeville to have free transportation, but it's still

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difficult for people in rural areas to access services, um,

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and how do we help that? How do we make

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sure that they have the services that they need in

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their communities? And when we're planning and developing partnerships, how

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do we put food security into those, um, discussions? Because

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it's critical. Without food, people can't thrive. Your community cannot

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thrive. And strong communities will build a better system. Okay.

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Even if it's not ours to build, not for profits

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have been handling food insecurity for 30 some odd years.

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And it was never hours to hold. But food security

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lands at no level of government and no ministry. And

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that's wrong. Absolutely wrong. So moving on to the next

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slide, which I think is my, um, yes. So this

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is a lovely volunteer. Um, he's been with us for

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probably close to a decade now. Uh, he was digging,

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um, and planting at the different garden centre of sadly

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no longer with us and dug up this beautiful heart

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- shaped potato. It was very excited about it. He's

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also one of our top fundraisers for coldest night of

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the year. Um, he's there weekly. And we treasure his

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volunteering. So I wanted to end with a quote. Hunger

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is not a problem. It's an obscenity. So let me

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say that again. It's an obscenity. We live in Canada.

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How wonderful it would be that nobody need to wait

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a single moment before we start to improve this world.

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So thank you for being part of that improvement. I,

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again, I know I come all sunshine and lollipops of

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these presentations. And I apologise for that. But we have

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to start, continue. Um, move forward the conversation on Food

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Insecurity because it's not getting any better. And it's affecting

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the people that you serve. If you can't eat, you

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can't think if you can't think you can't get a

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job. If you can't get a job, you can't take

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care of yourself, your people. It starts at the very

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beginning of feeding people. So thank you so much. What

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another lively presentation by Heather. So don't go anywhere yet.

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Heather. Thank you for your presentation. There are some questions

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from council. We'll start with Councillor McClain. Great. Thank you.

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And thank you Heather for the presentation. And please don't

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apologise. I think, um, hearing the raw truth is incredibly

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helpful. And we need to hear this from time to

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time. Um, I've got a couple of comments. The first

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is that food security is one of those rare policy

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files that no single level of government actually owns, let

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alone a specific ministry. And because nobody's directly accountable for

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funding it, we end up in the exact mess that

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we're in right now. Right. We've got underfunded programs and

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a lot of finger pointing between the municipal provincial and

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federal governments. Um, at the end of the day, I

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think this is a provincial responsibility. I think it belongs

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to MCCSS right alongside their other course social service spending.

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Um, but I think the real problem that we're up

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against is both the federal government and the provinces have

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really shifted their focus almost entirely to economic issues. And

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I'm seeing this in my own full - time work.

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Where social policy has been pushed to the back burner.

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And so I think we as a community, not just

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the nonprofit community, but, uh, our local governments as well.

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We need to really, uh, change our approach. And so

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a couple of things that I would want counsel to

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consider as we move forward is looking at how we

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could do joint advocacy with our frontline service provider. So

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we're actually speaking with one unified voice. I also really

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believe that we should look at hiring a government relations

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official, either full time or halftime, uh, to actually drive

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this work forward. Um, having a dedicated official in the

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office of the CAO that can help us with advocacy

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that has a government relations background, I think would be

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an incredible value add and a great investment. And as

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part of that, I think we need to do more

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than just show up to Roma and AMO, um, for

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our 15 minutes with, with ministers. That's a very, um,

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passive approach. I think we really need to come up

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with a government relations strategy on things like food security

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on things like homelessness, um, and other priorities that we

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have. And have a strategy around it so that we're

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regularly going down to Queen's Park and we're meeting with

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ministers throughout the year. We're not just waiting for August

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and January. So those are my comments. I think again,

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Heather, it's, it's a delight to have you in, um,

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we need to hear this messaging, but I think at

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the county level, we need to have a plan for

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this to support you and others in our community. Thank

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you, Councillor McClain. Well said absolutely agree. Was there any

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other questions for members of council. Councillor Nix. Yeah. I

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just had a question, but first, thanks Heather for, uh,

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presentation. I remember when you started the job, your goal

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was to close the doors of the Food Bank. And

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obviously that's not working. It's not your fault. My question

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was simply this. Okay. 25, 000 visits. That's not, that's

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visits. That's not unique individuals. No unique individuals is 1600

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people a month, give or take. Um, unique individuals. That's

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right. And they're coming between nine and 10 times in

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a year. Okay. Okay. So that's okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

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Okay. Makes sense. I just wanted to make sure I

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was interpreting the 25, 000 correctly. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank

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you, Councillor Nix. Any other questions or comments for members

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of Council. No. Oh, councillor little. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

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I'm just wanted to make a comment, um, thank you

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Heather once again for your words and for bringing this

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issue forward. I think it is a concern to all

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of us and there are perhaps other, um, options. We

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should be doing, uh, support you with your words. Thank

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you for the three minutes or whatever time. And you

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take when you make your presentations, those words are always

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very important. So I just want to encourage you to

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continue on that, uh, vein. Because silence is not the

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answer either. So, um, I just, I wanted to add

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my thanks for all the work that you do. And

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for the work that you have done to make that

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Food Bank as strong and end as vibrant as it

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currently is to serve the community, the wonderful, um, initiatives

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you have taken. So thank you for that Heather. Okay.

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Group effort. Thank you, Councillor Little. Anything else. Okay. Thank

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you for being here. Heather always appreciate your presentations. Okay.

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Thank you. Take care. Take care. Be well, be safe.

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Thank you. We'll move into public question period. Was there

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anyone in the gallery who had a question regarding an

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item on the agenda. Okay. Not seeing any. We will

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move into the consent agenda, which we don't have today

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because all of the reports have already been pulled. So

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we will move right into 10. 1, which is the

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E - Scare Fraxa OPA Councillor Nyx. You pulled that

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one. Yes. And I just have a couple of related

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questions to the, uh, physical plan in East Gara Frax.

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One, I wanted to know how many lower tier municipalities.

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In different have actually changed their official plan to be

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in accord with OP number four. That's the first question.

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Let me ask both questions at the same. Yeah. Go

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ahead. And if, if a municipality such as mine hasn't

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got their official plan up to date with the counties,

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OP number four, can we, because it's a lot of

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work to change an official plan. Can we wait until

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OP number five is done. And then, and then do

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everything together. Those are my two questions. Rush, I'll turn

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over to you through you warden post. Um, so as

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of right now, we have Grand Valley E - Scare

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Fraxa and Malmur, um, that have submitted their completed OPs

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in accordance with OP number four or the MCR process.

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Um, in regards to your second question, uh, yes, obviously

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we don't want for the lower tiers to be doing

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additional work if it's not needed. All that we would

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ask is to be able to demonstrate that there are

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conformity exercises being done. Because, um, right now, if you're

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not in conformity with the completed MCR process, then that

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tends to be a lot of work. We just want

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to see that there is some progression. We are hosting

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numerous meetings with all the lower tiers and working through

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all of the questions that they may have. But, um,

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if you want to hold off for a final submission

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after OPA5 is done, then that's absolutely fine. Um, because

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we, we don't want to create more work and also

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create more of a financial burden. Okay. Councillor Garrett's. Thanks.

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It asked a couple of questions of staff. And so

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I just wanted to highlight a couple, I think it's

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less brief scare fracts and more for our OPA five,

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which is a few sections where, um, we've referenced that

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there should be an identified need for, for the removal

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of lands from employment or an identified need for something,

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but we don't specify who gets the final decision on

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that. And I think it would be good to, to

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reference, um, who's making that decision so that an applicant,

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um, can't argue that if their consultant says there's an

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identified need that should be the, the only bar that

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needs to be satisfied. So I think we should just

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highlighting that further room. Um, and similarly, you know, when

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we reference qualified professionals for certain things, um, what, what,

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uh, qualifications go along with that. So thanks. Rush, do

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you want to take that? Uh, three warden post. Yes.

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So in our definition section, we will identify, um, in

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terms of qualified personnel, what we would consider to be

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qualified personnel. Um, and in addition, uh, your first question,

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um, we are highlighting within OPA five that it is

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a collaborative effort, not just the county deciding or the

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lower tier deciding, but a collaboration. Is that good Councillor

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Garrett. Okay. Councillor Garthouse. Okay. Thank you. Um, I, my,

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I guess what I'm just wanting some clarification on process.

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So because we're doing OPA five, then if there's little

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some details here, what's presented here. Sometimes we just need

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clarification, get used to the, uh, how it's going to

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be implemented, but there'll be time to, I guess, make

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further amendments. And, um, is that a, is that realistic.

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Rush. Um, sorry, councillor guardhouse. Can you just clarify further

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amendments to the plan that's been submitted that we're the,

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for the report today? Or yes, correct. Yes. Yes. Absolutely.

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So you can. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Council Horner.

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Raj, through you, Warden. Rush, I see that, uh, 35

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kind of corrections have been made on this. And, um,

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I'm just trying to figure out, is that a lot

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or is that a little bit? And I think it

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probably shows that we really require the upper tier oversight

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on this. And in order for everyone's, um, official plans,

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even if they've been developed by consultant to align with

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each other. And I just found 35 being an extraordinary

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high number. Am I right on that. Rush? Uh, three

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warden posts. So just to clarify the 35 mods that

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were submitted were mainly grammatical in nature and also to

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align with definitions and terms that have been changed or

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updated as a result of legislation that was passed. So

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there is a lot of time that's elapsed typically between,

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um, between, I guess, updates between, um, official plans. And

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as a result, we just want to ensure that we

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can catch all the conformity issues within the submissions. So

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35, while it does seem like a high number does

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also include grammatical, um, issues that we've identified as well

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as sort of definitions that have changed over time with

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policy updates. The other question, if I may, um, so

466
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:01,898
there's a line in there. And I'm trying to find

467
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:03,798
it. I just can't find it at the moment, but

468
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:13,018
talks about, um, trying to keep development, um, land open

469
00:39:13,058 --> 00:39:19,994
for commercial uses on roadways. Is that, um, in thinking

470
00:39:19,994 --> 00:39:23,514
about the proposal that we had, uh, at the public

471
00:39:23,695 --> 00:39:27,514
meeting. So is that the kind of thing that, that

472
00:39:27,554 --> 00:39:33,274
is directing that that development be at those roadways and

473
00:39:33,695 --> 00:39:38,994
not, um, be switched from an employment into residential. Is

474
00:39:38,994 --> 00:39:41,114
that the kind of thing that we've got now in

475
00:39:41,535 --> 00:39:46,234
this plane post. Um, so yes, you are correct. We're

476
00:39:46,234 --> 00:39:49,114
trying to encourage through land use policy where that growth

477
00:39:49,135 --> 00:39:51,754
is going to go. So that way we don't end

478
00:39:51,754 --> 00:39:55,354
up with, um, applications or submissions where we're taking residential

479
00:39:55,394 --> 00:39:58,134
or we're taking employment and converting it to residential. Um,

480
00:39:58,335 --> 00:40:00,794
and this is also to promote just the nature of

481
00:40:00,815 --> 00:40:04,374
what Dufferin County is in terms of highway commercial, um,

482
00:40:04,495 --> 00:40:06,794
because we do see that as a trend moving forward

483
00:40:07,375 --> 00:40:09,779
and more of a need for the community. Thank you.

484
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,219
Councillor Garthouse. Uh, thank you as a follow - up

485
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,419
by this, uh, obviously came up at our East Gary

486
00:40:18,459 --> 00:40:22,499
Council meeting, um, and overall we were very pleased with

487
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,459
the review and how it's gone. And we thought 35

488
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,819
modifications wasn't that high because most of it, as you

489
00:40:30,819 --> 00:40:34,339
said, Raj was, was housekeeping, uh, we thought I was

490
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,619
an excellent job overall was comments from the township. Thank

491
00:40:37,619 --> 00:40:41,981
you. Thank you, Councillor Garthouse. Any other questions or comments

492
00:40:42,021 --> 00:40:45,486
on this item. Can I get a motion for the

493
00:40:45,526 --> 00:40:49,966
recommendation in the report, please? Council Horner and Councillor Nyx,

494
00:40:49,966 --> 00:40:53,541
any final questions, all in favor. And that is carried

495
00:40:54,282 --> 00:40:56,821
for item 10. 2 councillor Taylor. I'll have you leave

496
00:40:56,842 --> 00:40:59,061
the room, please. That's the one you've declared conflict on.

497
00:41:06,865 --> 00:41:15,446
Yeah. I know. Okay. The recommendation and the report is

498
00:41:15,467 --> 00:41:18,306
that the report from the manager of Corporate Finances, uh,

499
00:41:18,827 --> 00:41:20,806
cost of living adjustment be received and that the cost

500
00:41:20,806 --> 00:41:23,286
of living adjustment for 2027 be said at 2. 44

501
00:41:23,547 --> 00:41:26,246
with an effective date of January 1st, 2027. Can I

502
00:41:26,246 --> 00:41:30,585
get a mover in a second or please. Councillor Mills

503
00:41:31,006 --> 00:41:33,465
and Councillor White. Any questions or comments on this one.

504
00:41:34,966 --> 00:41:39,638
All in favor. And that is carried. We'll get Councillor

505
00:41:39,638 --> 00:41:40,118
Taylor back in.

506
00:42:11,521 --> 00:42:13,900
Okay. So we will move into 10. 3, which is

507
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:17,180
the budget management policy. It was Councillor Taylor who pulled

508
00:42:17,201 --> 00:42:18,620
that one. So I will turn it over to you

509
00:42:18,641 --> 00:42:22,391
for your questions, Councillor Taylor. Um, thank you very much,

510
00:42:22,391 --> 00:42:26,231
Warden. Um, as with, I read that report, I did

511
00:42:26,231 --> 00:42:28,871
have time to speak with our CIO this morning and

512
00:42:28,911 --> 00:42:32,951
get further clarity. However, it felt like it wasn't news

513
00:42:32,951 --> 00:42:35,511
to me. I wasn't grasping really what we were trying

514
00:42:35,511 --> 00:42:39,271
to do in the report. It circled for me and

515
00:42:39,271 --> 00:42:41,511
I apologise, but I just didn't understand what the report

516
00:42:41,532 --> 00:42:44,551
was trying to get at. And the naturon a little

517
00:42:44,551 --> 00:42:47,811
bit further, why it was important to me is, um,

518
00:42:48,972 --> 00:42:53,911
Councillor McClain had put through emotion that we would look

519
00:42:53,951 --> 00:42:57,431
at our budget differently as we move forward. And it

520
00:42:57,431 --> 00:42:59,511
was exactly what I was looking for the entire time

521
00:42:59,692 --> 00:43:02,071
I was sitting here. And this is a regurgitation for

522
00:43:02,172 --> 00:43:03,911
the CO, but I want everybody to hear what my

523
00:43:03,911 --> 00:43:07,351
thoughts were. Um, when I sat here in year one,

524
00:43:07,351 --> 00:43:09,511
this is your four now at Council is we're going

525
00:43:09,511 --> 00:43:12,791
to finish this. In year one, I said, Oh, I'll

526
00:43:12,791 --> 00:43:16,711
prove the budget because all of you are more knowledgeable

527
00:43:16,732 --> 00:43:19,651
about the institution than I am. I was learning, but

528
00:43:19,651 --> 00:43:22,311
I didn't understand it. It was really difficult for me

529
00:43:22,311 --> 00:43:25,911
to grasp what we were doing. In year two, I

530
00:43:26,012 --> 00:43:27,971
felt like I understood it a little bit better, but

531
00:43:27,971 --> 00:43:31,831
it was still difficult. And the way it's presented is,

532
00:43:31,852 --> 00:43:34,711
is hard. And now at year four, I just don't

533
00:43:35,292 --> 00:43:37,511
want to, I don't want to enable it any further.

534
00:43:37,511 --> 00:43:39,971
It's not a good process what we've been doing. Um,

535
00:43:40,172 --> 00:43:43,351
I'm excited about what the future will bring, but the

536
00:43:43,372 --> 00:43:47,111
report itself, I just, it just felt like I know

537
00:43:47,111 --> 00:43:49,591
what this is. I understand it, but I don't know

538
00:43:49,631 --> 00:43:51,831
where we're going. And I just think it's important to

539
00:43:52,412 --> 00:43:55,671
not let it go by and we should discuss it.

540
00:43:55,671 --> 00:43:57,351
And I'm sure if it's vanilla to me, maybe it's

541
00:43:57,532 --> 00:44:01,600
vanilla to other people too. And Zana, do you want

542
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,740
to take some of those questions. Thank you through you,

543
00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:07,220
Warden Post. So thank you for raising the questions, Councillor

544
00:44:07,220 --> 00:44:10,340
Taylor. The budget process that we've identified in the budget

545
00:44:10,441 --> 00:44:13,300
policy is really about the internal process here and how

546
00:44:13,561 --> 00:44:16,020
we will put together the budget. We have not had

547
00:44:16,201 --> 00:44:19,760
a policy around how those pieces come together, what the

548
00:44:19,801 --> 00:44:22,420
internal systems need to look like. And we're continuing to

549
00:44:22,521 --> 00:44:24,980
build on that. This will be part of what becomes

550
00:44:25,321 --> 00:44:29,540
a larger long - term financial strategy for the county

551
00:44:29,561 --> 00:44:31,100
that we need to work on. And we need to

552
00:44:31,161 --> 00:44:33,940
continue to add pieces. So this is the first step

553
00:44:34,361 --> 00:44:37,840
is the budget policy. The piece you're speaking about, and

554
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,820
I think the completion between the two is the budget

555
00:44:41,081 --> 00:44:44,020
package, what council sees in terms of when they have

556
00:44:44,121 --> 00:44:47,120
to approve the budget and how that's laid out, how

557
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,340
navigating that document. I've heard has been challenging in terms

558
00:44:50,380 --> 00:44:52,660
of having to flip through pages, trying to figure out

559
00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:55,460
what the overall number is. So Amy and I have

560
00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:58,260
been looking at what are some of the best practices

561
00:44:58,601 --> 00:45:01,140
we're seeing around the province in terms of how budget

562
00:45:01,321 --> 00:45:04,420
packages are visually laid out for a council to comprehend

563
00:45:04,521 --> 00:45:07,700
all of the moving pieces in a large and complex

564
00:45:07,721 --> 00:45:10,140
budget like our own. And in those one - on

565
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:11,540
- ones that we talked about, we'd like to present

566
00:45:12,361 --> 00:45:14,900
for like maybe our top three options to you as

567
00:45:14,921 --> 00:45:18,180
council members. And then we will develop our packages to

568
00:45:18,281 --> 00:45:20,900
be presented in that way so that they will drive

569
00:45:21,161 --> 00:45:24,260
understanding and clarity. We want you when you're approving the

570
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:28,260
budget to feel extremely comfortable. But understanding it and what

571
00:45:28,441 --> 00:45:30,660
you're approving and what you're not approving. And we know

572
00:45:30,660 --> 00:45:32,820
that work needs to be done in terms of historically

573
00:45:32,921 --> 00:45:35,140
how it's been presented and how we could present it

574
00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:37,300
out both to the Council and to the public to

575
00:45:37,321 --> 00:45:41,100
drive that transparency. So those are the two pieces, an

576
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:45,142
internal process. In terms of the governance and the policies

577
00:45:45,163 --> 00:45:49,062
around the creation of the budget policy. And then the

578
00:45:49,243 --> 00:45:52,662
package that Council sees and the public sees. And finally,

579
00:45:52,662 --> 00:45:55,062
the budget document is also another piece that we're working

580
00:45:55,102 --> 00:45:57,862
on. This year you'll see quite a few edits and

581
00:45:57,862 --> 00:46:00,342
substantial changes in terms of what is going out to

582
00:46:00,342 --> 00:46:03,062
the public, um, the plain language that we're using to

583
00:46:03,163 --> 00:46:05,942
communicate it. Some of the visuals and graphs that we're

584
00:46:05,982 --> 00:46:08,582
trying to invest in to make it much more clear

585
00:46:08,683 --> 00:46:11,782
for everyone and bear with us, it's year one and

586
00:46:11,822 --> 00:46:13,942
we came into the process where the budget was already

587
00:46:14,363 --> 00:46:17,862
sort of in process. So there will be continuous improvement

588
00:46:17,963 --> 00:46:19,942
along those lines, but these are the investments we're making

589
00:46:19,982 --> 00:46:22,902
for this year. So I hope that that helps drive

590
00:46:23,083 --> 00:46:28,227
some further clarity. Yeah. Okay. Councillor McClain. Yeah. Uh, so

591
00:46:28,267 --> 00:46:31,587
thank you. And, uh, a big thank you to Antoinette

592
00:46:31,688 --> 00:46:34,847
and to Amy for pulling this together. I think, um,

593
00:46:35,608 --> 00:46:39,347
I think it puts the necessary pieces together in a

594
00:46:39,347 --> 00:46:43,987
framework, which is going to be absolutely critical. Um, and

595
00:46:44,008 --> 00:46:47,587
I think to councillor Taylor's point, I think this will

596
00:46:47,587 --> 00:46:49,027
become a little bit, hopefully become a little bit more

597
00:46:49,288 --> 00:46:52,787
real when we see the actual like plan that will

598
00:46:52,787 --> 00:46:56,219
flow out of this. Um, I like the idea of

599
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,619
moving towards earlier budget engagement process, like perhaps starting it

600
00:47:00,619 --> 00:47:03,538
in the summer. Or members of Council can start to

601
00:47:03,538 --> 00:47:05,938
talk about priorities and items that we would like to

602
00:47:05,959 --> 00:47:08,338
include. And that can start to be built in earlier.

603
00:47:08,338 --> 00:47:11,918
And the perhaps other engagement that we could do. Um,

604
00:47:11,918 --> 00:47:15,458
but I really like the idea of having a list

605
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:19,698
in the budget document itself about what are our mandatory

606
00:47:19,738 --> 00:47:21,858
services that we have to provide and what are the

607
00:47:21,898 --> 00:47:24,818
costs associated with that. And then right beside that, what

608
00:47:24,858 --> 00:47:27,698
are the discretionary services that we can choose to fund.

609
00:47:28,444 --> 00:47:31,063
And what are those costs? And I think that's the

610
00:47:31,244 --> 00:47:33,383
piece for me that's been missing. It's always been spread

611
00:47:33,404 --> 00:47:36,823
out across the package. And so having all of those,

612
00:47:36,823 --> 00:47:40,023
especially discretionary services in one spot would be incredibly helpful

613
00:47:40,524 --> 00:47:42,583
because then we as a council can determine what it

614
00:47:42,583 --> 00:47:45,623
is we can afford. Um, and then having it clearer

615
00:47:45,623 --> 00:47:50,423
budget, uh, document. The last point I'll share is just

616
00:47:50,423 --> 00:47:54,823
around, uh, limitations on in your budget adjustments. I think,

617
00:47:54,823 --> 00:47:58,743
um, with respect to all my colleagues around the table,

618
00:47:58,743 --> 00:48:01,303
there's, there could be a tendency for us to get

619
00:48:01,324 --> 00:48:03,303
ourselves into a little bit of trouble if we're making

620
00:48:03,644 --> 00:48:07,863
in your budget decisions, um, particularly because we haven't always

621
00:48:07,884 --> 00:48:11,703
had a more Folsom analysis of what that would mean

622
00:48:11,804 --> 00:48:16,022
to the full budget if we approve. Um, a major

623
00:48:16,062 --> 00:48:19,302
budget item in year. And so as we move forward,

624
00:48:19,403 --> 00:48:22,582
I'm excited to see that anytime there is an opportunity

625
00:48:22,622 --> 00:48:24,982
to make an in - your - budget adjustment that

626
00:48:24,982 --> 00:48:27,062
will get a more fulsome analysis of what this would

627
00:48:27,083 --> 00:48:30,022
mean, not only for the coming budget, but for future

628
00:48:30,283 --> 00:48:32,909
budgets as well. Um, I do have a question for

629
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:37,069
Amy. And Amy, you kind of, I think, mentioned when

630
00:48:37,069 --> 00:48:40,169
we were kind of conversing before this meeting. But, um,

631
00:48:40,450 --> 00:48:43,789
in the document, in the policy, it says, uh, any

632
00:48:43,810 --> 00:48:48,349
significant unplanned funding requests considered by Council shall be deferred

633
00:48:48,349 --> 00:48:51,984
to the following year's budget process. Um, what would we

634
00:48:52,005 --> 00:48:55,504
consider significant? Like would it be worth putting a dollar

635
00:48:55,685 --> 00:48:58,544
figure on that? Because what may be significant for me

636
00:48:58,805 --> 00:49:04,075
may be very different from another member of council. Amy.

637
00:49:05,592 --> 00:49:07,731
Thank you, through you, warden post. Um, that's a great

638
00:49:07,731 --> 00:49:09,891
question. And we kind of went back and forth on

639
00:49:09,891 --> 00:49:12,511
that, whether to put a dollar amount in there, um,

640
00:49:12,792 --> 00:49:15,771
because it may have a small, it may be a

641
00:49:15,771 --> 00:49:18,771
small dollar amount now, but be something significant in the

642
00:49:18,771 --> 00:49:21,171
future. So that's why we kind of left that a

643
00:49:21,171 --> 00:49:23,491
little bit broad right now. Like it's a policy that

644
00:49:23,531 --> 00:49:27,971
will be reviewed regularly. So, um, yeah, the idea is

645
00:49:27,971 --> 00:49:31,103
kind of. We'll sort through it as we, as we

646
00:49:31,143 --> 00:49:33,503
go through and move forward, but it's definitely an area

647
00:49:33,524 --> 00:49:36,143
we will want to refine. And we just put that

648
00:49:36,164 --> 00:49:40,264
in there for now. That makes sense. I think, Antieta

649
00:49:40,285 --> 00:49:43,810
wants to add to that as well. Thank you through

650
00:49:43,850 --> 00:49:45,810
you, Wardenpost to add further. Claire Day, I think what

651
00:49:45,850 --> 00:49:49,330
Amy's alluding to as we may accept something that has,

652
00:49:49,330 --> 00:49:51,330
uh, let's say make a decision and the impact for

653
00:49:51,370 --> 00:49:54,030
this year is, I don't, I'll say 50, 000. And

654
00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:56,610
Mac doesn't seem significant, but that sets us on a

655
00:49:56,650 --> 00:49:59,970
course where the next year, maybe 500, 000, a million

656
00:50:00,010 --> 00:50:03,410
dollars. And so that's why we're struggling with what is

657
00:50:03,410 --> 00:50:06,450
the right threshold? Cause that year one threshold will be,

658
00:50:06,450 --> 00:50:10,410
well, we're going to enter into a partnership agreement. I

659
00:50:10,410 --> 00:50:12,510
don't, I'll say maybe the hub comes to mind. And

660
00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:16,050
so think, okay, good intentions, maybe limited budget, but then

661
00:50:16,050 --> 00:50:20,370
that actually evolves and becomes something quite larger in nature

662
00:50:20,391 --> 00:50:23,330
from a budgetary perspective. So there isn't a threshold that

663
00:50:23,351 --> 00:50:27,859
seems right. At this moment because sometimes things enter in

664
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,139
a slow way, but snowball into something significant. So it's

665
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,819
a piece that Amy and I wanted to sit with

666
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,779
a little bit more. And then further discuss in those

667
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,379
one - on - ones, what have we seen where

668
00:50:37,379 --> 00:50:40,339
we need to establish some guardrails and what could that

669
00:50:40,339 --> 00:50:43,379
amount be? And if the amount enters sort of insignificant

670
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,259
in nature, maybe it's 10, 000 or less, but leads

671
00:50:46,299 --> 00:50:50,659
us on a path that has significant financial ramifications, then

672
00:50:50,659 --> 00:50:53,059
we need to actually think about more deeply that threshold

673
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:55,699
and some other policies and guardrails that help us not

674
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,579
to get into those types of situations, or at least

675
00:50:58,579 --> 00:51:01,059
if we're getting into them, we have clarity around what

676
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,419
future, uh, budget commitments will be, because often it's not

677
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,279
year one. It's the subsequent years that follow. James, you

678
00:51:08,279 --> 00:51:11,415
have follow up. Just a quick follow. I like that

679
00:51:11,436 --> 00:51:14,775
response. I think that's very well thought out. Um, instead

680
00:51:14,775 --> 00:51:17,335
of putting an arbitrary number, um, and I think that

681
00:51:17,676 --> 00:51:20,855
makes the case even more for why, if we are

682
00:51:20,876 --> 00:51:24,455
considering in your budget request, we need that analysis, right?

683
00:51:24,876 --> 00:51:27,095
To go exactly to what you're saying, Antoinette, in terms

684
00:51:27,095 --> 00:51:30,055
of, um, yes, this may look like a small expense

685
00:51:30,076 --> 00:51:32,215
now, but it will have a, it has a potential

686
00:51:32,236 --> 00:51:35,255
to have a snowball effect. Right. And so I think

687
00:51:35,516 --> 00:51:39,175
having that, that fulsome analysis will position council to make

688
00:51:39,215 --> 00:51:41,735
a much more informed decision. So thank you. And thank

689
00:51:41,735 --> 00:51:45,303
you again, guys, for pulling us together. Thank you, Councillor

690
00:51:45,343 --> 00:51:48,503
McClain. Any other questions from members of council? Council Nix.

691
00:51:50,007 --> 00:51:53,346
Yeah. I, I had two questions, but just, just before

692
00:51:53,386 --> 00:51:57,266
I ask them to respond to count something, Councillor McClain

693
00:51:57,306 --> 00:52:00,146
said, it's interesting what you were asking for in the

694
00:52:00,186 --> 00:52:03,826
budget presentation, but they've mandatory services versus the ones that

695
00:52:04,167 --> 00:52:06,866
what we call them optional, because that is in fact

696
00:52:06,866 --> 00:52:10,546
how the conservation authorities now present their budget. We present

697
00:52:10,586 --> 00:52:14,186
them as category one services and category two, well, we

698
00:52:14,186 --> 00:52:16,706
actually have a category three. But it's the category ones

699
00:52:16,706 --> 00:52:19,666
that are the, are the mandatory. So anyway, enough of

700
00:52:19,666 --> 00:52:23,986
that. That's just a comment. Sorry, John. Uh, my questions

701
00:52:26,487 --> 00:52:29,746
are based probably on my ignorance. There's one statement in

702
00:52:29,746 --> 00:52:32,786
here that I wasn't quite sure I understood. Each capital

703
00:52:32,887 --> 00:52:35,506
project must be fully financed through and it gives, it

704
00:52:35,546 --> 00:52:38,786
gives five things. Capital project must be how it must

705
00:52:38,786 --> 00:52:42,386
be finance. Uh, reserves long - term borrowing senior government

706
00:52:42,407 --> 00:52:47,106
grants subsidies or third party recoveries. Isn't it true, Amy,

707
00:52:47,106 --> 00:52:49,746
are that in some years for a capital project, we'd

708
00:52:50,007 --> 00:52:53,897
use current tax levies to pay for that also. Amy.

709
00:52:54,924 --> 00:52:57,223
Yeah to you warden post. The way we set up

710
00:52:57,223 --> 00:53:00,503
the capital budget is we actually, we're contributing to the

711
00:53:00,764 --> 00:53:04,103
capital asset fund. And then we're pulling from that capital

712
00:53:04,143 --> 00:53:08,320
asset funder reserve to pay for the project. Okay. So

713
00:53:08,341 --> 00:53:10,640
I, I, I get you. There still could be current

714
00:53:10,821 --> 00:53:13,120
tax levies that you're going into the final. Okay. Got

715
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,800
it. The other question again, probably based on my ignorance,

716
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:22,160
but just, just below that. So, so it says the

717
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,360
reserves are going to be for capital projects only and

718
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,640
not to adjust the operating budget, et cetera, et cetera.

719
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,400
So what you're going to do over the next few

720
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,860
years is get rid of the rate stabilization reserve. Now

721
00:53:34,261 --> 00:53:37,600
I understand what you've written or what's in the policy.

722
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,096
I guess I'm just not a hundred percent sure. What

723
00:53:41,096 --> 00:53:45,736
would be wrong with keeping that rate stabilization, reserve, that

724
00:53:45,757 --> 00:53:49,096
can be used for sort of ad hoc things or

725
00:53:49,277 --> 00:53:54,056
rate stabilization. Why is it so is it mandatory or

726
00:53:54,077 --> 00:53:57,816
is this just something that why are we doing this?

727
00:53:57,816 --> 00:54:02,753
Amy. Warden post. We're not getting rid of the rate

728
00:54:02,753 --> 00:54:06,193
stabilization reserve. We currently have a contribution from the rate

729
00:54:06,214 --> 00:54:10,353
civilization reserve to the operating budget. And that contribution we

730
00:54:10,614 --> 00:54:13,003
want to eliminate over time. So that we adhere with

731
00:54:13,043 --> 00:54:14,603
the policy. It doesn't mean we get rid of the

732
00:54:14,643 --> 00:54:19,348
reserve. We still we will still have the reserve. With

733
00:54:19,529 --> 00:54:23,188
respect. You say palsy and thus will be phased out

734
00:54:23,228 --> 00:54:27,241
over time. Am I misreading this? Yeah. It's just that

735
00:54:27,342 --> 00:54:30,041
amount that we currently have in our operating budget that

736
00:54:30,041 --> 00:54:32,601
we're going to phase that out over time. We I

737
00:54:32,601 --> 00:54:34,321
think we have a million dollars in the budget. We

738
00:54:34,321 --> 00:54:37,721
want to reduce that contribution to the budget over time

739
00:54:37,902 --> 00:54:39,881
so that the money can be used for something else.

740
00:54:42,649 --> 00:54:46,108
Councillor next. Well, we still might have a rate stabilization

741
00:54:46,148 --> 00:54:50,388
reserve that next, next year. Okay. I had misunderstood, I

742
00:54:50,388 --> 00:54:55,305
guess then. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions, Councillor White.

743
00:54:57,458 --> 00:55:00,317
Thank you, Warden. I think part of, to address Fred's

744
00:55:00,338 --> 00:55:03,117
question, I think part of the problem with the rate

745
00:55:03,117 --> 00:55:07,917
stabilization fund is that we've historically used it for ad

746
00:55:07,938 --> 00:55:10,397
hoc projects, like you mentioned. But the problem is, is

747
00:55:10,498 --> 00:55:14,797
those added projects are causing the problem we have where

748
00:55:14,797 --> 00:55:16,957
we put it in this year. And then it snowballs

749
00:55:17,138 --> 00:55:20,237
like we're talking about. And five years down the road,

750
00:55:20,237 --> 00:55:22,397
uh, you know, it's now, uh, it's something we do

751
00:55:22,418 --> 00:55:26,237
regularly. And it's, it's, you know, essentially unfunded. So I

752
00:55:26,237 --> 00:55:28,877
think it's probably trying to roll some of that up

753
00:55:29,138 --> 00:55:31,677
and stop a little bit of that from happening is,

754
00:55:31,717 --> 00:55:35,893
is the intent. Hey. Was there any other questions or

755
00:55:35,914 --> 00:55:40,251
comments for members of council. Okay. Can I get a

756
00:55:40,251 --> 00:55:43,051
motion then for the recommendation in the report that it

757
00:55:43,051 --> 00:55:48,712
be received and approved. Councillor White. Seconded by Councillor Taylor.

758
00:55:48,712 --> 00:55:54,254
All in favor. And that's carried. Okay. So 10. 4

759
00:55:54,294 --> 00:55:57,374
is the governance review and it was Councillor Taylor who

760
00:55:57,374 --> 00:56:01,561
pulled this one. Thank you very much, Warden. Um, I

761
00:56:01,601 --> 00:56:05,241
bring this forward because I think there's a misunderstanding about

762
00:56:05,342 --> 00:56:08,201
what we're trying to do here. And quite honestly, it's

763
00:56:08,201 --> 00:56:12,201
very frustrating to me. So we are an election period.

764
00:56:12,201 --> 00:56:14,361
Um, and so we've got a lot of money morning

765
00:56:14,361 --> 00:56:18,521
quarterbacks who are questioning what the amount of money is

766
00:56:18,561 --> 00:56:21,401
set aside for. And the report states that it's up

767
00:56:21,441 --> 00:56:25,161
to 100, 000 dollars to do the report. And then

768
00:56:25,182 --> 00:56:27,941
the commentary is essentially what a, what a joke. Why

769
00:56:27,941 --> 00:56:30,521
would we do this work? Well, let me tell you

770
00:56:30,782 --> 00:56:33,541
from my perspective why we would do this work. Um,

771
00:56:34,622 --> 00:56:38,521
there, there is a need to understand the value of

772
00:56:39,022 --> 00:56:43,321
council, um, and the work that we do moving forward.

773
00:56:43,321 --> 00:56:46,601
And I think that things like understanding the size and

774
00:56:46,641 --> 00:56:50,041
efficiency of council is a really important thing that we

775
00:56:50,062 --> 00:56:53,961
do. And to have staff do that, we already have

776
00:56:54,222 --> 00:56:59,401
staff at a capacity constraint perspective. I don't know why

777
00:56:59,422 --> 00:57:01,641
we would ask them to do a side of desk

778
00:57:01,641 --> 00:57:04,041
project. It makes no sense to me where we would

779
00:57:04,081 --> 00:57:07,081
do that. It's also important to me. I think it

780
00:57:07,081 --> 00:57:10,281
should be determined who should be here. Um, so long

781
00:57:10,382 --> 00:57:14,681
term, I don't think it's necessarily, um, right that just

782
00:57:14,721 --> 00:57:16,521
the mayor and the deputy mayor are considered for these

783
00:57:16,542 --> 00:57:21,561
positions. It should be decided, um, who should be in

784
00:57:21,561 --> 00:57:25,081
these positions moving forward. And to that, I think the

785
00:57:25,121 --> 00:57:28,521
great benefit in discussing about whether or not these are,

786
00:57:28,521 --> 00:57:32,101
uh, elected positions or not. And it doesn't say, I'm

787
00:57:32,101 --> 00:57:34,761
not suggesting that I'm in favor of blowing up anything.

788
00:57:34,761 --> 00:57:36,761
I just merely think that this work needs to be

789
00:57:36,801 --> 00:57:40,761
done. And the money morning quarterbacks need to understand that

790
00:57:40,862 --> 00:57:42,841
to be able to do this work, you have to

791
00:57:42,862 --> 00:57:46,521
pay. And I can tell you that, uh, consultants aren't

792
00:57:46,542 --> 00:57:51,481
necessarily a bad thing. Consultants are there to, um, allow

793
00:57:51,582 --> 00:57:55,561
us to push forward initiatives that will eventually save money.

794
00:57:55,561 --> 00:57:57,641
Like it's, it's, it's just not something that we can

795
00:57:57,681 --> 00:58:01,561
put on to town staff. And quite candidly by suggesting

796
00:58:01,742 --> 00:58:05,161
otherwise it says that you don't understand what you're talking

797
00:58:05,201 --> 00:58:09,241
about. And so I am speaking to folks who are

798
00:58:09,902 --> 00:58:13,561
not paying attention in our communities. Um, and I think

799
00:58:13,582 --> 00:58:16,681
it's important that they listen. And I'm happy to talk

800
00:58:16,721 --> 00:58:19,321
about this as an issue as we go forward over

801
00:58:19,342 --> 00:58:22,533
the next couple of weeks. And Councillor Taylor, Councillor White.

802
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:30,438
Sorry. Thanks. Thank you, Warden. Um, as some, like I'm

803
00:58:30,438 --> 00:58:32,218
one of the members that sit on that committee and

804
00:58:32,258 --> 00:58:34,538
I went into that meeting thinking that there was going

805
00:58:34,538 --> 00:58:37,818
to be some fundamental disagreement at that table, but there

806
00:58:37,818 --> 00:58:40,938
wasn't. Um, I'm more surprised that we came out with

807
00:58:40,959 --> 00:58:43,958
so many things that we wanted to talk about. And

808
00:58:43,958 --> 00:58:47,658
I think that's a good thing. Um, and, and Todd

809
00:58:47,759 --> 00:58:49,978
is right. Uh, I mean, there's been some commentary talking

810
00:58:49,999 --> 00:58:52,058
about, you know, what a waste of a hundred thousand

811
00:58:52,058 --> 00:58:54,458
dollars I don't, I don't see it that way. First

812
00:58:54,458 --> 00:58:56,298
of all, it's an up two number. We've also talked

813
00:58:56,319 --> 00:59:00,698
about things like engaging some, uh, university post - secondary

814
00:59:00,738 --> 00:59:04,858
students in maybe some of their study areas, uh, maybe

815
00:59:04,898 --> 00:59:07,418
to help facilitate that. So I don't think that the

816
00:59:07,439 --> 00:59:10,218
final total will be anywhere near a hundred thousand. Maybe

817
00:59:10,218 --> 00:59:13,019
it will, who knows. But at the end of the

818
00:59:13,019 --> 00:59:15,819
day, many of the things that are scheduled to be

819
00:59:15,819 --> 00:59:18,219
talked about as part of this review, I mean, they

820
00:59:18,259 --> 00:59:21,339
have the potential to generate their own savings. And that

821
00:59:21,379 --> 00:59:23,939
would be ongoing savings. And some of those savings, I

822
00:59:23,939 --> 00:59:27,579
would think would be well along the lines of, of

823
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,619
probably more than 100, 000 dollars. But at the end

824
00:59:32,659 --> 00:59:35,179
of the day, when you're going to do this kind

825
00:59:35,179 --> 00:59:37,579
of a review, I mean, you have to talk about

826
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,459
some of the things you don't want to necessarily maybe

827
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,819
one - off talk about, but I mean, you don't

828
00:59:43,859 --> 00:59:46,539
do a partial review. We've done that in the past

829
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,339
historically. And it's always come back to bite us in

830
00:59:49,339 --> 00:59:53,499
the backside. So, I mean, I think this is well

831
00:59:53,539 --> 00:59:55,659
structured. There might be some things in there that could

832
00:59:55,699 --> 00:59:58,916
come out of the scope. At a next meeting. And

833
00:59:58,916 --> 01:00:01,096
maybe it is a little bit broad or maybe some

834
01:00:01,136 --> 01:00:03,096
things could be condensed. But I mean, I think this

835
01:00:03,117 --> 01:00:05,176
is a good process. It hasn't been done in a

836
01:00:05,176 --> 01:00:08,136
long time here, uh, that I can say, but I

837
01:00:08,136 --> 01:00:09,816
do think we need to talk about what this looks

838
01:00:09,856 --> 01:00:14,991
like moving forward. Thanks. Councillor Garretts, then Councillor McClain and

839
01:00:15,031 --> 01:00:19,992
Councillor Krillman and Council Horner. So just, and it might

840
01:00:19,992 --> 01:00:22,392
not be a fair question for staff, but do we

841
01:00:22,392 --> 01:00:25,512
know when the last time was that we undertook any

842
01:00:25,533 --> 01:00:30,694
sort of governance review. Michelle. So through you, Warden, I've

843
01:00:30,694 --> 01:00:32,614
been at the county for 18 years and it has

844
01:00:32,614 --> 01:00:35,094
not been done. I believe the last time it may

845
01:00:35,094 --> 01:00:37,094
have been done was when the County of Duffyn Act

846
01:00:37,195 --> 01:00:40,718
came into effect, which was in the 90s. Yeah. So

847
01:00:41,259 --> 01:00:45,938
I, uh, I agree. It needs to be done. And

848
01:00:45,938 --> 01:00:48,758
if it's a, you know, it's a budget number to

849
01:00:48,779 --> 01:00:54,287
councillor white's point. Might not, it's just a number that

850
01:00:54,327 --> 01:00:56,607
is going in the budget. It could be last, but,

851
01:00:56,628 --> 01:01:01,727
but, uh, I'm, I'm happy to proceed with the work.

852
01:01:01,727 --> 01:01:04,207
If it's, you know, project that we do every 40

853
01:01:04,207 --> 01:01:07,167
years, I think it's necessary. Probably should be done far

854
01:01:07,988 --> 01:01:10,047
more frequently than that. It's a, it's a good governance

855
01:01:10,068 --> 01:01:13,327
review. And we need to make sure that we're operating,

856
01:01:13,327 --> 01:01:17,007
um, the best way we can. We could go through

857
01:01:17,028 --> 01:01:21,754
the work and determine that nothing needs to change. And

858
01:01:21,794 --> 01:01:23,994
if that's the case, then we at least know that

859
01:01:24,175 --> 01:01:28,074
the way we're operating is supported. So I'm happy with

860
01:01:28,255 --> 01:01:31,777
the, uh, to proceed with the word. Thanks. Thank you,

861
01:01:31,777 --> 01:01:36,478
Councillor Garrett's Councillor McClain. Uh, thank you. I think, um,

862
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:40,018
there seemed to be a bit of a robust debate

863
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:42,578
that kind of broke out over the past couple of

864
01:01:42,578 --> 01:01:45,298
days on social media. And so it seems like at

865
01:01:45,298 --> 01:01:47,538
least some members of the public are, are dialing into

866
01:01:48,119 --> 01:01:51,339
this, which I think is ultimately a good thing. Um,

867
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,299
I think for me, I'm kind of torn on this.

868
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,939
I would find this incredibly fascinating to go forward with

869
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,099
the scope as it's kind of laid out. But I

870
01:02:03,099 --> 01:02:05,379
think the fundamental questions that we need to kind of

871
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,671
wrestle with. Like what, what problems are we trying to

872
01:02:08,852 --> 01:02:13,111
address specifically? Um, that to me hasn't been kind of

873
01:02:13,412 --> 01:02:17,151
laid out. Like we've talked about maybe composition, um, or

874
01:02:17,492 --> 01:02:21,951
representation or engagement with the public and making sure they're

875
01:02:21,991 --> 01:02:24,431
aware of the business of council. But I think we

876
01:02:24,452 --> 01:02:29,151
really need to be crystal clear on, uh, what challenges

877
01:02:29,572 --> 01:02:32,031
do we see and that we actually want this review

878
01:02:32,612 --> 01:02:36,271
to address? Um, almost like what is the research question

879
01:02:36,292 --> 01:02:39,871
that we would be handing off to these graduate students,

880
01:02:39,871 --> 01:02:43,191
for example? Cause that would help them to kind of

881
01:02:43,572 --> 01:02:45,951
focus their attention a little bit more as opposed to

882
01:02:45,991 --> 01:02:48,991
giving them kind of broad strokes, blue sky to work

883
01:02:48,991 --> 01:02:51,471
on. And so I think that's something that we need

884
01:02:51,511 --> 01:02:53,551
to talk about. Like what are the problems as we

885
01:02:53,551 --> 01:02:56,031
see them? Um, and do we agree that those are

886
01:02:56,031 --> 01:02:59,955
the ones that need to be investigated. Um, that's my

887
01:02:59,955 --> 01:03:02,515
first point. The second point is around the scope. There's

888
01:03:02,515 --> 01:03:04,115
a, the number of different ways that we could do

889
01:03:04,136 --> 01:03:08,035
this. One potential way would be to start more gradual

890
01:03:08,296 --> 01:03:11,235
and say, okay, like if, if we agree as a

891
01:03:11,275 --> 01:03:16,115
council that one of the challenges is around, um, public

892
01:03:16,136 --> 01:03:21,955
awareness and engagement with county business, um, do we need

893
01:03:21,955 --> 01:03:26,115
to go and look at massive changes? Or they're incremental

894
01:03:26,155 --> 01:03:29,652
things that we could be doing right now. To help

895
01:03:29,753 --> 01:03:31,972
build that awareness. Things that all of us could be

896
01:03:31,972 --> 01:03:34,932
doing in terms of raising awareness about the items that

897
01:03:34,953 --> 01:03:38,692
we're talking about looking at, um, how to bring more

898
01:03:38,713 --> 01:03:43,092
people into Council meetings, whether that means holding council meetings

899
01:03:43,433 --> 01:03:46,452
in each of the eight municipalities once a year. That's

900
01:03:46,492 --> 01:03:47,812
something that we talked about. I think it was one

901
01:03:47,812 --> 01:03:49,812
of the very first conversations that we had around this

902
01:03:49,993 --> 01:03:52,772
council table at the beginning of this term in a

903
01:03:52,772 --> 01:03:56,612
never really went anywhere. Um, but if, if one of

904
01:03:56,612 --> 01:03:59,012
the challenges that we're trying to solve is public buy

905
01:03:59,052 --> 01:04:01,412
- in, that there's some low hanging fruit stuff that

906
01:04:01,452 --> 01:04:03,892
we could do to get at that. That wouldn't require

907
01:04:04,393 --> 01:04:08,492
a massive study. So again, I'm open to this. I

908
01:04:08,492 --> 01:04:12,832
just, I just wonder if we, if the scope, the

909
01:04:12,873 --> 01:04:15,572
massive scope that we've kind of laid out is what

910
01:04:15,572 --> 01:04:19,077
we want to start with first. And, and if it

911
01:04:19,077 --> 01:04:20,837
is, then I think we need to be crystal clear

912
01:04:20,858 --> 01:04:24,056
on what our research questions are. And so you know.

913
01:04:28,943 --> 01:04:32,602
Councillor McClean a few things. I've said it before defining

914
01:04:32,602 --> 01:04:35,482
the problem we're trying to solve before entering into a

915
01:04:35,482 --> 01:04:38,362
scope of work is very important. And that will drive

916
01:04:38,383 --> 01:04:42,682
more clarity. It will create better project requirements for consultants

917
01:04:42,863 --> 01:04:45,722
and or students. So that point is well taken. I

918
01:04:45,762 --> 01:04:48,922
think at this point we need more conversation to really

919
01:04:49,343 --> 01:04:51,962
facilitate and we need a facilitator to create a safe

920
01:04:51,983 --> 01:04:55,002
space to say, what are some of the underlying issues

921
01:04:55,023 --> 01:04:57,882
that we're experiencing and what problem do we want this

922
01:04:57,922 --> 01:05:00,602
to solve? And the truth is there may be a

923
01:05:00,703 --> 01:05:03,402
subset of problems and maybe we phase in how we

924
01:05:03,983 --> 01:05:06,442
address those and how we roll out some sort of

925
01:05:06,543 --> 01:05:10,442
implementation plan. But we've had some very important conversations around

926
01:05:11,423 --> 01:05:15,702
sentiments around the weighted vote. Representation around the table, the

927
01:05:15,702 --> 01:05:17,722
structure, all of those things are things that we really

928
01:05:17,983 --> 01:05:20,522
actually need to dig into a little bit more so

929
01:05:20,543 --> 01:05:24,922
that clarity will be provided to whoever engages with this

930
01:05:24,943 --> 01:05:27,802
work. So we agree with that. We just don't, that's

931
01:05:27,802 --> 01:05:30,922
not the role for staff to facilitate what may be

932
01:05:30,962 --> 01:05:34,762
very challenging, important and hard conversations to have. So that

933
01:05:34,762 --> 01:05:37,402
will be the initial stage of this work in our

934
01:05:37,402 --> 01:05:41,642
mind to start to narrow the scope and or agree

935
01:05:41,663 --> 01:05:43,722
on the scope and the problem we're trying to solve

936
01:05:44,143 --> 01:05:47,562
and then create that implementation plan forward in terms of

937
01:05:47,663 --> 01:05:50,082
engagement with the public. We've chatted about this. Part of

938
01:05:50,082 --> 01:05:51,802
this is not knowing how much we want to engage

939
01:05:51,802 --> 01:05:54,362
with the public. So is it engaging on the public

940
01:05:54,863 --> 01:05:57,962
on how they feel represented at the county on this

941
01:05:58,143 --> 01:06:00,282
structure? Is it about what we do and what we

942
01:06:00,282 --> 01:06:03,482
don't do? And you're right. That's layered. Part of that,

943
01:06:03,482 --> 01:06:06,042
they'll also bring in the communications role here at the

944
01:06:06,143 --> 01:06:09,802
county and improving the way we communicate with the public,

945
01:06:09,802 --> 01:06:13,802
how we engage. Some of our engagement events, um, seem

946
01:06:13,802 --> 01:06:16,922
to be focused, you know, very singularly on a topic.

947
01:06:16,922 --> 01:06:19,762
That's not always connected very clearly to the county. So

948
01:06:19,762 --> 01:06:23,242
those conversations are happening at the management level and beyond.

949
01:06:23,242 --> 01:06:25,802
How do we increase exposure and awareness for the great

950
01:06:25,842 --> 01:06:28,122
things that we deliver? When you're out talking with the

951
01:06:28,223 --> 01:06:31,082
public, I can think of a recent event at the

952
01:06:31,103 --> 01:06:36,122
Oaks resounding sort of, uh, impact high community impact for

953
01:06:36,223 --> 01:06:39,162
this services that are provided there to seniors, both our

954
01:06:39,183 --> 01:06:41,882
day program, uh, and a lot of our support services

955
01:06:42,223 --> 01:06:45,002
as well as long - term care and not always

956
01:06:45,103 --> 01:06:47,562
do people connect that back to county work. So we

957
01:06:47,602 --> 01:06:49,962
have a lot of work to do in that space.

958
01:06:49,962 --> 01:06:52,442
And that ties into the public engagement piece. I think

959
01:06:52,463 --> 01:06:56,282
the public engagement piece contemplated for this project though in

960
01:06:56,282 --> 01:06:58,682
part was how much do we want to engage with

961
01:06:58,722 --> 01:07:01,642
the public on composition on weighted vote and not having

962
01:07:01,823 --> 01:07:05,482
clarity around those pieces, uh, we left the scope more

963
01:07:05,583 --> 01:07:08,282
broad. Is that fair, Michelle? Yeah. Okay. And then the

964
01:07:08,282 --> 01:07:10,922
other piece I wanted to speak to the cost more

965
01:07:10,962 --> 01:07:12,682
generally because it's come up. So thank you for those

966
01:07:12,703 --> 01:07:15,402
who've said it really is an upset limit. Anything that

967
01:07:15,442 --> 01:07:18,602
we think we can handle internally, like some benchmarking we've

968
01:07:18,602 --> 01:07:21,722
already done some of that work internally reaching out to

969
01:07:22,223 --> 01:07:26,282
municipalities who have done something similar around the leaded vote.

970
01:07:26,282 --> 01:07:28,602
SimCO County and others. We've already hosted meetings with them

971
01:07:28,623 --> 01:07:31,402
to see what process did you go through, what lessons

972
01:07:31,442 --> 01:07:33,322
did you learn? What advice would you give us as

973
01:07:33,343 --> 01:07:35,802
we enter this space? And how much money did you

974
01:07:35,842 --> 01:07:38,122
spend doing this work so that we can make sure

975
01:07:38,143 --> 01:07:41,402
that there's value for the taxpayer dollar here? So all

976
01:07:41,442 --> 01:07:44,442
of those pieces where it's something we can do that

977
01:07:44,543 --> 01:07:46,682
our capacity can handle. And that is, I would say

978
01:07:46,943 --> 01:07:51,722
neutral establishing a benchmarking exercise. We will do that. Engaging

979
01:07:51,823 --> 01:07:55,322
and facilitating some really tough conversations around the table. That's

980
01:07:55,322 --> 01:07:57,642
not a good position to put any of our staff

981
01:07:57,743 --> 01:07:59,642
members in. And that's why we think that role is

982
01:07:59,682 --> 01:08:03,362
important. And then giving ourselves some breath of budget, if

983
01:08:03,362 --> 01:08:05,562
we do want to do deeper engagement, if we decide

984
01:08:05,663 --> 01:08:09,162
to explore really tough topics, we needed that wiggle room

985
01:08:09,183 --> 01:08:10,842
to see how deep at the end of the day

986
01:08:11,103 --> 01:08:13,802
council wants to go with this exercise. So I'll add

987
01:08:13,842 --> 01:08:16,842
that we can go through more questions. Thank you, Antonetta.

988
01:08:16,882 --> 01:08:23,336
Councillor Kraman. To start with, I don't think it will

989
01:08:23,376 --> 01:08:26,376
be anywhere near 100, 000 dollars to do the job

990
01:08:27,037 --> 01:08:30,536
for the reasons previously stated. And my observation is that

991
01:08:30,877 --> 01:08:37,389
AI generated memes are not helpful. Councillor Horner. I guess

992
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:40,589
a couple of points. So first one is that I'm

993
01:08:40,589 --> 01:08:44,429
not sure that we're entering into this whole thing with

994
01:08:44,429 --> 01:08:47,069
the sole reason to save money. I think we want

995
01:08:47,109 --> 01:08:51,389
to understand how to work together more effectively and to

996
01:08:51,429 --> 01:08:55,229
get better decisions, um, out of this group. And so

997
01:08:55,730 --> 01:09:00,509
I applaud, um, your first meeting minutes were fascinating to

998
01:09:00,549 --> 01:09:03,789
me that you were able to get some of those

999
01:09:03,890 --> 01:09:08,109
things even out on the table. And so I fully

1000
01:09:08,290 --> 01:09:13,010
support a facilitator. And maybe the consultant is the wrong

1001
01:09:13,050 --> 01:09:15,330
word to use here because I'd like to see this

1002
01:09:15,431 --> 01:09:20,218
whole process driven by the folks on that committee. With

1003
01:09:20,218 --> 01:09:23,178
the help of a facilitator to get to the hard,

1004
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:28,298
hard questions and the needs. And so I'm fully supportive

1005
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:31,578
of what you've started. I think it will be a

1006
01:09:31,578 --> 01:09:35,018
fascinating thing. I didn't put my hand up because governance

1007
01:09:35,119 --> 01:09:38,298
is not my deal, but I, I really applaud the

1008
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:40,098
folks on this committee. And I think we're going to

1009
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:43,498
get some great results if they get supported in the

1010
01:09:43,599 --> 01:09:50,056
proper way. Councillor Little. Yes. Thank you very much. And

1011
01:09:50,056 --> 01:09:52,696
I appreciate the comments that have been made as a

1012
01:09:52,696 --> 01:09:56,056
member of this committee. I just wanted to, um, thank

1013
01:09:56,157 --> 01:09:59,656
everyone who participated. We had some really good discussion and

1014
01:09:59,677 --> 01:10:02,996
we all have the opportunity to present our priorities. And

1015
01:10:02,996 --> 01:10:06,616
as was mentioned, there was quite a few similarities in

1016
01:10:06,717 --> 01:10:10,136
that. We also felt it was very important that we

1017
01:10:10,237 --> 01:10:16,376
have the different pieces of information from different groups that,

1018
01:10:16,397 --> 01:10:20,216
that do things and have different ways of doing things.

1019
01:10:20,216 --> 01:10:22,776
And that we explore those and make sure that the

1020
01:10:22,816 --> 01:10:26,616
way we want to move forward is appropriate. It isn't

1021
01:10:26,877 --> 01:10:30,776
about saving money. It's about, um, making our decisions around

1022
01:10:30,877 --> 01:10:35,496
this table effective and appropriate. And the best way to

1023
01:10:35,536 --> 01:10:40,776
do that, the best way to, to, uh, be informed,

1024
01:10:40,776 --> 01:10:43,496
etc. So I feel that it's a very, this was

1025
01:10:43,496 --> 01:10:47,416
just an initial start on that, whether we engage a

1026
01:10:47,456 --> 01:10:52,136
student, consultant or a facilitator or something is yet to

1027
01:10:52,136 --> 01:10:56,216
be determined, but these are just, um, ideas that we're

1028
01:10:56,216 --> 01:10:58,856
putting forward. And I think that we need to follow

1029
01:10:58,877 --> 01:11:01,736
up on. We do need to do have some form

1030
01:11:01,736 --> 01:11:04,776
of a bit of financial support that we can do

1031
01:11:04,957 --> 01:11:07,576
the right job, um, and try and make sure that

1032
01:11:07,616 --> 01:11:09,896
we get all the information that we need in order

1033
01:11:09,936 --> 01:11:13,576
to make really sound decisions. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor

1034
01:11:13,597 --> 01:11:18,208
Little. Councillor Garrett's then, Councillor White and Councillor Mills. Yeah,

1035
01:11:18,208 --> 01:11:21,088
just, uh, I think councillor Kreelman touched on it with

1036
01:11:21,269 --> 01:11:25,568
his, his meme comment, um, maybe the public also needs

1037
01:11:25,608 --> 01:11:30,608
to be aware that, uh, as, as we sit here

1038
01:11:30,869 --> 01:11:33,168
discussing this and prepared a vote on it, we have

1039
01:11:33,168 --> 01:11:36,748
no correspondence from anybody through official channels and no, uh,

1040
01:11:36,869 --> 01:11:39,648
no in a public comment period providing any input for

1041
01:11:39,688 --> 01:11:44,128
us for decision making. So, uh, you know, meme chatter

1042
01:11:44,549 --> 01:11:47,728
and posts on social media, like social media is a

1043
01:11:47,728 --> 01:11:50,128
great tool to engage with your constituents. That's not an

1044
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:54,288
official way to voice your opinion on, on policy. So,

1045
01:11:54,288 --> 01:11:57,488
you know, the public needs to be aware that if,

1046
01:11:57,528 --> 01:12:01,628
if they feel strongly about this matter, the, the, uh,

1047
01:12:01,669 --> 01:12:04,288
the best way to make that known is simply send

1048
01:12:04,328 --> 01:12:07,577
an email, uh, to your local member. That was all.

1049
01:12:07,577 --> 01:12:11,853
Thanks. Thanks Councillor Garretts. Councillor White. Thanks. Just, just to

1050
01:12:11,853 --> 01:12:14,013
be clear, we do have one. And that's from Mr.

1051
01:12:14,034 --> 01:12:18,773
McEwen. But what I, yeah, what I did want to

1052
01:12:18,834 --> 01:12:23,433
say was, uh, we thanked everybody on the committee, but

1053
01:12:23,794 --> 01:12:26,333
I did want to point out that, uh, I think

1054
01:12:26,354 --> 01:12:28,973
most of us walked into that room, not really knowing

1055
01:12:28,994 --> 01:12:32,093
what to expect from an introductory meeting on a, on

1056
01:12:32,133 --> 01:12:35,453
a topic. But I do want to say staff, Rebecca

1057
01:12:35,493 --> 01:12:39,053
and Michelle and whoever else was involved from this like

1058
01:12:39,093 --> 01:12:42,473
they came prepared to challenge us with things and, uh,

1059
01:12:43,154 --> 01:12:44,173
you know, they really put a lot of stuff on

1060
01:12:44,213 --> 01:12:46,733
the table that maybe should have been considered. And I

1061
01:12:46,733 --> 01:12:50,173
think, uh, what came out of that is a direct

1062
01:12:50,274 --> 01:12:52,733
result of, of the work that staff did to sort

1063
01:12:52,733 --> 01:12:54,173
of set that up. Cause I think a lot of

1064
01:12:54,194 --> 01:12:57,453
us were like went in there going, what are we

1065
01:12:57,453 --> 01:13:01,053
going to talk about? So thank you. Absolutely. Councillor Mills.

1066
01:13:03,149 --> 01:13:08,487
Thanks for, just briefly. I'm definitely supportive of moving ahead

1067
01:13:08,588 --> 01:13:11,047
with this work. Uh, and, and I certainly don't want

1068
01:13:11,047 --> 01:13:13,447
to repeat what's been said earlier, but I do think

1069
01:13:13,468 --> 01:13:16,727
that the task force deserves a tremendous amount of credit.

1070
01:13:18,020 --> 01:13:19,759
In one meeting coming up with a scope of work

1071
01:13:19,799 --> 01:13:22,159
that I think, in my mind, at least sort of

1072
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:25,039
nails all the, all the big issues that we should

1073
01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:28,239
be looking at at this stage to the CAO's point,

1074
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:30,639
um, I'm comforted by, by what you said in terms

1075
01:13:30,639 --> 01:13:34,839
of, you know, facilita or engaging a facilitator, because I

1076
01:13:34,839 --> 01:13:38,399
think that is the next logical step. Um, you know,

1077
01:13:38,399 --> 01:13:41,679
we have a pretty large bucket here of, of priority

1078
01:13:41,719 --> 01:13:44,879
themes, uh, which I think is the right place to

1079
01:13:44,919 --> 01:13:47,359
start, but we, we need to start narrowing that and

1080
01:13:47,399 --> 01:13:51,039
identifying, you know, a couple of primary issues that we,

1081
01:13:51,079 --> 01:13:53,999
we want to tackle. In my mind, you know, they,

1082
01:13:53,999 --> 01:13:56,799
they tend to kind of fall into, to two broad

1083
01:13:56,820 --> 01:14:00,319
categories. One is composite composition, you know, making sure that

1084
01:14:00,340 --> 01:14:02,799
the right people are around the table. Um, how they

1085
01:14:02,799 --> 01:14:05,679
get here, I guess is, is a crawlery of that.

1086
01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:07,999
And then the second piece would, would be that public

1087
01:14:08,020 --> 01:14:10,859
engagement piece. And I think if we can, you know,

1088
01:14:12,340 --> 01:14:16,639
lean into those two problem questions. Um, and come up

1089
01:14:16,639 --> 01:14:19,919
with answers to those. And then I'll think this work,

1090
01:14:19,919 --> 01:14:23,199
uh, will have been certainly well worth the effort and

1091
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:26,479
whatever cost is associated with it. Um, I agree with

1092
01:14:26,580 --> 01:14:28,639
others who have said that I don't think it's going

1093
01:14:28,639 --> 01:14:31,593
to take a hundred grand. But, but let's set that

1094
01:14:31,633 --> 01:14:33,673
as the, as the Edward limit and try to work

1095
01:14:33,673 --> 01:14:36,990
down from there. Thank you, Councillor Mills. Any other questions

1096
01:14:37,251 --> 01:14:40,705
or comments for members of Council on this item. Not

1097
01:14:40,705 --> 01:14:43,105
seeing any. So if we can go with the recommendation

1098
01:14:43,206 --> 01:14:46,625
in the report then that the, uh, governance review scope

1099
01:14:46,625 --> 01:14:49,185
and framework dated September 24th be received that the minutes

1100
01:14:49,225 --> 01:14:51,745
from the task force be received and that the attached

1101
01:14:51,766 --> 01:14:54,145
governance review scope and framework be approved. Can I get

1102
01:14:54,145 --> 01:14:55,985
a mover in a second or please? Councillor Taylor and

1103
01:14:56,025 --> 01:15:00,847
Councillor Horner all in favor. And that is carried. Um,

1104
01:15:00,847 --> 01:15:03,827
we do have two items of correspondence. There was correspondence

1105
01:15:03,827 --> 01:15:06,307
from Josh McEwen that was circulated in the addendum on

1106
01:15:06,307 --> 01:15:08,947
Tuesday. Would any member of Council like to discuss either

1107
01:15:09,048 --> 01:15:12,460
piece of correspondence. Not seeing any. Can I get a

1108
01:15:12,460 --> 01:15:16,101
motion to approve both or receive both. Councillor McClain and

1109
01:15:16,141 --> 01:15:19,917
Councillor Guardhosts all in favor. And that's carried. Those are

1110
01:15:19,917 --> 01:15:26,012
received. Was there any notices emotion today. Councillor Little. Yes,

1111
01:15:26,012 --> 01:15:29,452
thank you. So we've had some discussion earlier about budgeting,

1112
01:15:29,452 --> 01:15:33,572
et cetera. Um, and at a prior council meeting, we

1113
01:15:33,633 --> 01:15:36,812
had a discussion about economic development. So I would like

1114
01:15:36,833 --> 01:15:40,892
to, uh, propose that, um, prior to the presentation of

1115
01:15:40,892 --> 01:15:44,732
the 2027 budget, our economic staff be directed to meet

1116
01:15:44,772 --> 01:15:50,332
with, um, task force members of Council and community to

1117
01:15:50,372 --> 01:15:54,172
develop a scope of work and activities for the economic

1118
01:15:54,212 --> 01:15:57,932
development at the county. And that this proposal work plan

1119
01:15:58,593 --> 01:16:02,572
be presented as part of the 2027 budget process. So

1120
01:16:02,913 --> 01:16:05,652
that's sort of would be my notice of motion. I

1121
01:16:05,652 --> 01:16:11,596
can, um, make it to written to submit. And alternate

1122
01:16:11,636 --> 01:16:16,046
tantina. Thank you through you, Warden Post to Councillor Little.

1123
01:16:16,046 --> 01:16:18,126
Thank you for that. Raj and the team are actively

1124
01:16:18,147 --> 01:16:21,566
working on a workback plan in terms of we committed

1125
01:16:21,606 --> 01:16:25,166
to providing council a date and a plan in terms

1126
01:16:25,166 --> 01:16:28,286
of how we would get to a potential future state

1127
01:16:28,286 --> 01:16:32,366
of economic development. That work back plan does include the

1128
01:16:32,467 --> 01:16:35,486
formulation of an advisory committee that would be formed of

1129
01:16:35,667 --> 01:16:39,486
council members. Experts in the space and also other county

1130
01:16:39,486 --> 01:16:42,506
members, uh, who have gone through a similar exercise, who

1131
01:16:42,506 --> 01:16:46,366
have local tiers who provide economic development services at different

1132
01:16:46,467 --> 01:16:48,846
ways and to different degrees. And so the goal was

1133
01:16:48,886 --> 01:16:52,366
to bring those voices together through a task force and

1134
01:16:52,406 --> 01:16:56,526
develop a plan forward. There's no specific budget implications with

1135
01:16:56,627 --> 01:16:59,726
that. So the task force piece is noted, uh, I'm

1136
01:16:59,766 --> 01:17:01,646
not sure that that needs to be included in the

1137
01:17:01,686 --> 01:17:04,126
budget, but rather it's the work that staff is deploying

1138
01:17:04,467 --> 01:17:07,246
as part of that larger work plan to get us

1139
01:17:07,347 --> 01:17:10,926
to a recommendation on what economic development could look like

1140
01:17:11,187 --> 01:17:14,239
here at the County level. Does that help provide some

1141
01:17:14,340 --> 01:17:22,656
clarity? Cancer little. I think my concern is that we

1142
01:17:22,757 --> 01:17:27,376
want to ensure that economic development funds are included in

1143
01:17:27,416 --> 01:17:33,066
the 2027 budget. And so I'm worried that if that

1144
01:17:33,967 --> 01:17:38,497
work does not get done. Soon that there will not

1145
01:17:38,497 --> 01:17:42,497
be opportunity to include funds for economic development in 2027.

1146
01:17:42,497 --> 01:17:45,217
And I think that there needs to be, and I,

1147
01:17:45,257 --> 01:17:50,577
I've heard concerns around this table about, um, that economic

1148
01:17:50,598 --> 01:17:52,897
development is important, but we just need to understand what

1149
01:17:52,937 --> 01:17:55,757
our focus is going to be as a county, um,

1150
01:17:56,838 --> 01:18:00,257
or a county department delivering that service. So I don't

1151
01:18:00,297 --> 01:18:03,617
want to, uh, this is just my pointing forward to

1152
01:18:03,657 --> 01:18:06,497
notice this motion. So I don't want to, uh, debate

1153
01:18:06,598 --> 01:18:10,577
the whole issue at this point. But, uh, that's, that's

1154
01:18:10,577 --> 01:18:12,843
what I'd still like to do. Thank you. And Shanna.

1155
01:18:13,692 --> 01:18:16,699
Anything. I can just add the manager of economic development

1156
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,619
position was preserved through the MPR. So the funds for

1157
01:18:20,619 --> 01:18:23,419
that are currently preserved. And we have someone on MAT

1158
01:18:23,419 --> 01:18:26,939
leave who's coming back. So there's still two positions affiliated

1159
01:18:26,979 --> 01:18:30,859
right now with economic development. So from a position perspective,

1160
01:18:30,859 --> 01:18:33,139
I'm not sure that anything's needed in the budget. If

1161
01:18:33,139 --> 01:18:36,699
you had some sort of sense of funds for particular

1162
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,659
goal, again, without establishing what those goals or what that

1163
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,179
economic activity would be hard to place a dollar amount

1164
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,919
in there, but I'm happy to have the discussion. And

1165
01:18:46,919 --> 01:18:49,499
if it could be in time for the budget and

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01:18:49,499 --> 01:18:51,419
those outcomes can come out. That's fine. I just want

1167
01:18:51,459 --> 01:18:53,979
to remind us that there still are two full -

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01:18:53,979 --> 01:18:56,939
time positions as well as a part of the Director

1169
01:18:56,939 --> 01:18:59,979
of Planning and Economic Development's role that is related to

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01:19:00,019 --> 01:19:04,219
the function of economic development currently. Those have been preserved.

1171
01:19:04,219 --> 01:19:10,865
Right. Very good. Just Councillor Garrett's. Yep. Point of order.

1172
01:19:10,865 --> 01:19:13,905
I think Councillor Little touched on it. I this is

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01:19:13,905 --> 01:19:17,105
a notice of motion. I don't know that it's, it's

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01:19:17,366 --> 01:19:20,785
appropriate to be debating at this point, uh, Councillor Little

1175
01:19:20,806 --> 01:19:23,745
could have discussions with the CAO offline on the final

1176
01:19:23,926 --> 01:19:27,665
structure if she wishes, but I believe that she's free

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01:19:27,705 --> 01:19:30,522
to put forward a notice of motion. Yep. Just making

1178
01:19:30,543 --> 01:19:35,133
sure. Yeah. No, absolutely. Councillor Kraman. I don't know if

1179
01:19:35,154 --> 01:19:37,613
this is the appropriate moment, but I have an inquiry

1180
01:19:37,653 --> 01:19:42,189
to make. Uh, we can do if the notices of

1181
01:19:42,189 --> 01:19:44,669
motion, we can do that as part of other business,

1182
01:19:44,669 --> 01:19:47,369
which we will be in now. So go ahead. I'm

1183
01:19:47,369 --> 01:19:50,829
just wondering whether or not the highway 10 MTO safety

1184
01:19:51,010 --> 01:19:55,347
study has emerged. Why'd you take my thunder away, Councillor

1185
01:19:55,368 --> 01:19:58,227
Krillman? That was my exciting, um, addition to other business

1186
01:19:58,568 --> 01:20:01,107
was actually, I am very pleased to announce that the

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01:20:01,128 --> 01:20:04,907
province has provided the Highway 10 operational performance report. It

1188
01:20:04,907 --> 01:20:08,147
is now available on Council SharePoint. I do want to

1189
01:20:08,187 --> 01:20:10,867
thank Minister Sarkaria, who I have been communicating with back

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01:20:11,048 --> 01:20:13,027
and forth over the last couple of weeks for making

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01:20:13,048 --> 01:20:16,067
sure that that comes to council as soon as possible.

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01:20:16,067 --> 01:20:18,547
Um, so I'm very pleased that it is up now.

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01:20:18,547 --> 01:20:20,547
So every member of Council can access that from the

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01:20:20,568 --> 01:20:23,687
SharePoint. Thank you for your efforts on that. And I

1195
01:20:23,687 --> 01:20:29,508
presume it is a public document. Madam Clerk. So through

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01:20:29,548 --> 01:20:32,868
you, Warden, I have not got confirmation from the ministry

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01:20:33,049 --> 01:20:36,926
that it is public. I'm waiting. We did reach out

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01:20:37,107 --> 01:20:40,870
and ask. Could that information be sought? Because I will

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01:20:40,910 --> 01:20:46,318
be very tempted to leak it. Thank you, Councillor Kralman.

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01:20:46,318 --> 01:20:48,638
I think Michelle is actively working on that to just

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01:20:48,678 --> 01:20:51,278
make a confirmation that that is public. I will also

1202
01:20:51,379 --> 01:20:53,678
send a note to minister Sarkaria and see if I

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01:20:53,678 --> 01:20:56,298
can get an answer back, um, as well. So, um,

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01:20:56,298 --> 01:20:57,998
I will let Council know if I hear anything back

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01:20:58,038 --> 01:21:00,613
from the minister. Was there any other, uh, new business

1206
01:21:00,954 --> 01:21:04,418
for many members of council? Councillor Taylor. Just a quick

1207
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:09,138
clarification to our CIO. Is what is the meeting schedule

1208
01:21:09,159 --> 01:21:12,418
moving forward? And if we do have, and I apologise

1209
01:21:12,418 --> 01:21:14,338
that I maybe have lost, but if we do have

1210
01:21:14,378 --> 01:21:17,138
other meanings, would we just abandon them and wait until

1211
01:21:17,239 --> 01:21:21,095
the new term. Where are we at? It's not. Thank

1212
01:21:21,095 --> 01:21:22,935
you through your word in post. There was one additional

1213
01:21:23,116 --> 01:21:25,815
meeting that was planned for this year, but the clerk

1214
01:21:25,855 --> 01:21:28,455
and I have discussed the cancellation of that wonderful. Yeah.

1215
01:21:28,455 --> 01:21:32,278
That's great. Thank you. There's no other reports coming. I

1216
01:21:32,379 --> 01:21:35,158
see Councillor Little's face. There's no reports coming from staff.

1217
01:21:35,158 --> 01:21:37,718
So the need to have another meeting on October 8th.

1218
01:21:37,718 --> 01:21:39,558
So the next meeting of, of Council will be December

1219
01:21:39,659 --> 01:21:42,918
10th. What's that councillor white? So we don't have a

1220
01:21:42,958 --> 01:21:45,638
meeting. Can we take a notice of motion? If council

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01:21:45,678 --> 01:21:47,878
is not going to be existing, I checked that with

1222
01:21:47,979 --> 01:21:51,718
Michelle and it'll come to the December 10th meeting. Yeah.

1223
01:21:51,899 --> 01:21:58,671
Just check. Okay. Any other items of other business. Members

1224
01:21:58,671 --> 01:22:01,151
of Council? No. Okay. Can I have a motion then

1225
01:22:01,151 --> 01:22:03,231
for the confirming bylaw to be read a first second

1226
01:22:03,271 --> 01:22:07,420
and third time. Councillor Nix and Councillor White all in

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01:22:07,420 --> 01:22:13,387
favor. And that's carried. The next meeting, um, as I

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01:22:13,387 --> 01:22:16,427
said, will be December 10th with the new term of

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01:22:16,528 --> 01:22:19,227
Council. At this time, I would like to extend my

1230
01:22:19,267 --> 01:22:22,667
sincere thanks to both Councillors Hall and Councillors Hawkins for

1231
01:22:22,707 --> 01:22:24,987
their time on council. And they are not seeking re

1232
01:22:24,987 --> 01:22:27,787
- elections. This will be their final meeting. Um, I'd

1233
01:22:27,787 --> 01:22:31,227
also like to extend congratulations to councillors guard house. Garrett's

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01:22:31,328 --> 01:22:34,747
Horner, Little and McClain on their acclimations. And for the

1235
01:22:34,747 --> 01:22:36,347
rest of Council, I wish you all the best in

1236
01:22:36,368 --> 01:22:40,027
your upcoming election campaigns. With that, can I have a

1237
01:22:40,027 --> 01:22:43,909
motion to adjourn, please? Councillor Garthouse. And we'll let maybe

1238
01:22:44,010 --> 01:22:46,899
councillor Garrett's. There we go. All in favor. And that

1239
01:22:46,899 --> 01:22:50,485
is carried. Thank you everybody. Have a great day. Adios.

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01:22:51,127 --> 01:22:51,506
You too.