1 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:32,519 morning everyone I'd like to begin by acknowledging we're 2 00:00:30,119 --> 00:00:32,519 hit that 3 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:47,320 g so I'd like to be start by recognizing that cbrd is on the unseated territories 4 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:52,840 of the katson malahat subaca Halal penel Semus laxen poachin didat and patat 5 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,520 Nations whose people have walked here gently for thousands of years and with 6 00:00:55,120 --> 00:01:00,640 the Corum being present I'd like to call this meeting to 7 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:04,119 order our first item of business is approval of the agenda would someone 8 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,119 like to move that we approve the agenda as presented director 9 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:18,240 Morrison apologies everyone I'm still trying to get the hang of this 10 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:23,960 thing director Morrison uh thank you chair I just want to raise for the 11 00:01:20,119 --> 00:01:29,600 committee's uh um understanding that uh the item R1 on this agenda is uh being 12 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:34,520 considered by this committee but as the chair of the Electoral area Services 13 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:40,320 committee it's uh uh with great Chagrin that I will uh uh support the adoption 14 00:01:37,479 --> 00:01:47,079 of the agenda but this item is a very electoral area specific agenda item and 15 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:52,119 it disturbs me that it is uh uh uh on this agenda it should uh I I want to 16 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:56,600 ensure that we do good process and good procedure and uh it's unfortunate that 17 00:01:54,600 --> 00:02:01,719 the Electoral area directors aren't considering this report first 18 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:07,360 all right will someone like to move that we adopt the agenda move by uh director 19 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:12,000 Seagal do have a seconder second by director martman all in favor and 20 00:02:10,239 --> 00:02:15,959 opposed n opposed motion carries we'll now move on to the 21 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:20,239 men director Morrison oos we'll now move on to the minutes and 22 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:23,480 there there is a slight change to the minutes I'm going to turn to the 23 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:29,000 corporate officer thank you chair uh the committee of Home meeting minutes of 24 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:31,840 February 12 2025 to be amended R three uh should read 25 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:37,760 $3,300 minor correction thank you would someone like to move that we adopt the 26 00:02:35,879 --> 00:02:42,040 minutes from the committee the whole meeting on February 12th as amended move 27 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:47,720 by director martman seconded by director Nicholson any discussion all in favor 28 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:52,840 and opposed and oppose motion carries we'll now move on to public input period 29 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:56,040 so public input period is offer the public an opportunity to comment on an 30 00:02:54,640 --> 00:03:00,120 agenda item before the committee considers the item the public input 31 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:04,400 period procedure policy allows for a law of 15 minutes where the speaker is 32 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:09,519 welcome to comment on any item on the agenda up to a maximum of 3 minutes this 33 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:13,519 excludes items that are or have been the subject of a public hearing input from 34 00:03:11,799 --> 00:03:17,360 the community is valued and appreciated we request that input is presented in a 35 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:21,280 friendly and respectful Manner and your cooperation maintaining a safe and 36 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:24,920 respectful and orderly environment is greatly appreciated 37 00:03:30,959 --> 00:03:39,760 C ific could state your name and address my name is David Slade I live at 38 00:03:36,799 --> 00:03:44,680 3265 Cobble Hill Road Cobble Hill I would like to speak to agenda item R2 39 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:47,640 Island Rail Corridor shared visioning thank you honored chair elected 40 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:52,040 officials and respected staff for allowing me this opportunity to speak 41 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:57,159 special thanks to Allison and coral Le on the cvrd staff that led this process 42 00:03:54,599 --> 00:04:01,799 and have put you way ahead of all other jurisdictions I agree with many points 43 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:06,280 highlight in the report I agree that the restoration of rail is unaffordable in 44 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:10,319 the short to medium term I agree that restoring rail service in the short to 45 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:14,799 medium term would be ineffective unproductive and expensive I agree that 46 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:19,759 unless the corridor is continuous from Victoria to Courtney it will never be 47 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:23,560 viable for trains note that the Sana o first nation in theose has already 48 00:04:21,479 --> 00:04:28,639 removed 1 kilometer of rail where it bcts their Reserve lands and that in the 49 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:33,520 five places in the cvd where the rail Corridor bisects reserved lands some if 50 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:37,840 not all of the first nations are likely to seek reversion of the land and 51 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:42,960 similarly oppose the return of trains through their backyards I agree that on 52 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:47,840 80% of the corridor it is difficult or impractical to locate a trail beside the 53 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:52,840 railbed however I feel that several conclusions drawn in the report are 54 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:57,759 incorrect I disagree that locating a trail on the rail bed precludes a return 55 00:04:55,240 --> 00:05:02,440 of trains to the corridor in fact a trail on the rail bed could act as a 56 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:06,360 placeholder for the next 10 to 20 years demonstrating the value of the corridor 57 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:10,680 as a public good while acknowledging that rail traffic is the first priority 58 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:15,280 for the corridor this is the case with the Galloping Goose in Victoria I 59 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:20,800 disagree that the cost of remediation would be at least $1.75 million per 60 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:25,919 kilometer if the corridor retains its industrial status with a rail as a 61 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:30,600 tempor with a trail as a temporary use there would likely be minimal to zero 62 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:34,080 remediation requirements the remediation costs for the Recently completed 63 00:05:32,199 --> 00:05:38,880 Okanagan rail trail and the under construction north Okanagan shwap rail 64 00:05:36,759 --> 00:05:42,840 trail have been insignificant or non-existent the report states that the 65 00:05:41,039 --> 00:05:47,680 most important needs for the Island Rail Corridor are as in this order improved 66 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:52,039 Transportation connections expand Economic Development and Tourism improve 67 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:56,400 safe cycling and walking provide emergency access routes and provide 68 00:05:54,080 --> 00:06:00,479 Recreation and park-like activities a trail on the rail bed does all of these 69 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:04,840 things the report report states that the corridor development should limit the 70 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:10,199 removal of vegetation avoid damage to repairing and Aquatic ecosystems a trail 71 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:14,639 on the rail bed addresses this retaining the status quo guarantees that the 72 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:18,880 creosote ties will continue to pollute the steel rails will continue to rust 73 00:06:16,479 --> 00:06:23,800 and the corridor will remain a liability rather than an amazing asset if we build 74 00:06:21,479 --> 00:06:27,840 a trail on the rail bit it will be used by many hundreds of people in this 75 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:35,400 Valley every single day and improve the quality of life across the entire cvrd 76 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:40,560 with 5 Seconds to spare thank you thank you any other members of the public like 77 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,560 to come up to the 78 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:50,639 podium so you could St your name and address my name is Alan Phillip I live 79 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:56,240 at 5734 vanco Road in North coin and I'd like to address the issue 80 00:06:53,800 --> 00:07:02,000 of the vision for the island Corridor good morning counselors thank 81 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,000 you for this 82 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:10,919 opportunity I have read the report and it's very comprehensive however in my 83 00:07:08,639 --> 00:07:17,560 view there are two major flaws in this report one of them near the beginning is 84 00:07:13,879 --> 00:07:24,000 the statement that 79% of the respondents want to see tra 85 00:07:20,599 --> 00:07:29,840 rail on the corridor in the future as opposed to 86 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:36,720 49% for Trail now this to me is a very simplistic question and response because 87 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:40,199 it pits Trail against Rail and that really this is not a popularity contest 88 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:46,120 this is a matter of practicality the 89 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:49,120 trail in my view is SE is could be seen as an interim 90 00:07:49,479 --> 00:07:57,319 measure for possibility in the future of there being a 91 00:07:54,720 --> 00:08:01,120 train now both levels of government 92 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:06,000 do not intend to contribute any money 93 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:11,599 towards a train in the foreseeable future that's 94 00:08:08,759 --> 00:08:15,199 why the snow has got their got their land 95 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:19,360 back any return of train is way way in the future when 96 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:26,159 there's sufficient population density 97 00:08:22,479 --> 00:08:32,680 and a business case supporting a modern train on those tracks which would 98 00:08:29,919 --> 00:08:38,240 attract sufficient writers ship to actually pay for it in my view that's 99 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:43,440 going to be way past any of our lifetimes so the question to me is not 100 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:48,480 rail or Trail it's what do we do in the interim what we're 101 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:53,279 waiting right now the whole system is just lying there 102 00:08:50,560 --> 00:09:00,680 deteriorating it makes far more sense to me to use that Corridor as a trail 103 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:05,519 which would benefit both recreationalists 104 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:11,800 commuters particularly people with ebikes who are a very Rising population 105 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:17,360 particularly old people like me I'm back riding a bike again on a ebike and I see 106 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:23,079 them everywhere now and just imagine being able to ride your ebike from 107 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:29,560 Duncan up to lady Smith off any of the roads a really good commuter Trail and 108 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:33,279 the same thing down to Cobble Hill you're off the highway there's no safe 109 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:37,160 way to get the Cobble Hill right now on a 110 00:09:34,959 --> 00:09:43,440 bicycle the other point which I would like to say is a really major flaw is 111 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:49,680 saying that having a trail precludes return of rail that is absurd just have 112 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:55,959 a look at cin Valley Trail out to Lake cin that would very easily be able to 113 00:09:53,600 --> 00:10:01,320 put a train back on that just imagine how difficult that would that be it 114 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,880 would be very at time okay thank you very much thank 115 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:12,440 you welcome you could state your name and address yeah hi I'm Warren scord I 116 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:17,240 live at 2299 McFarland Crescent a lot of people would probably know me from as 117 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:22,200 restor and rail uh I've been advocating thank you I've been advocating for the 118 00:10:18,839 --> 00:10:28,000 railway for about 2 and a half years now uh my material online has had millions 119 00:10:24,959 --> 00:10:34,120 of views this is not just a small number uh the islandwide 120 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:39,680 um when you're talking about the um the possibility or the or the want and need 121 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:47,440 of rail on Vancouver Island that 79% is actually quite low from what I've seen 122 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:52,440 um usually it's up around 83% the uh radio stations that have done polls have 123 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:57,399 shown uh upward you know 75% so it's been a consistent want and 124 00:10:55,680 --> 00:11:02,839 need of the public you know the public has spoken they say they want on the 125 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:06,079 corridor now I know funding is an issue you know you've got these uh you got 126 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:10,360 this Island Rail Corporation going out there trying to collect up money trying 127 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,760 to get the rails back in operation you got the First Nations that are having 128 00:11:11,839 --> 00:11:18,000 questions about you know how can they benefit from the rail well if the rail 129 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:23,519 is removed and we put the trail on and and despite what David is saying trying 130 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:27,680 to get a trail turned back into rail is next to Impossible the cycling movement 131 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:31,560 will just come up and they'll just go nuts and you'll never get it back and if 132 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:34,839 if that was different if that was not the case then souk right now would be 133 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:40,360 looking at the Galloping Goose piece that goes from souk to the Six Mile 134 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:43,200 where the new uh brt lanes are going to be going we'd be turning that back into 135 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:51,120 rail because it's it would be a dedicated Corridor uh for trains which 136 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:55,040 you know transit trains um buses a train is just an elongated bus okay like we're 137 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:58,880 not and it's a lot smoother a lot more comfortable they have accessible 138 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:05,040 bathrooms it's a much preferred option Trail can be put beside it there's 65 km 139 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:09,839 already of trails beside the rails and like in uh in shaigan where the new 140 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:14,720 shaigan rail trail is it actually can Veer away and utilize other Trails on 141 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:18,199 the island to connect all the way up and down the island doesn't have to stay 142 00:12:15,959 --> 00:12:22,000 next to the rails all the time cyclists have told me that running on a rail or 143 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:26,360 riding on a rail trail is actually quite boring after some time because you're 144 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:30,079 just it's just straight and they like curves and hills and things like that to 145 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:35,600 make it to give it more variety so I really hope that everybody will consider 146 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:39,680 and try to retain the rails where we can and hope that God that we can convince 147 00:12:38,079 --> 00:12:44,720 the First Nations that they can benefit from this ra too okay thank you thank 148 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:52,079 you morning you see your name and address good morning everyone my name is 149 00:12:50,199 --> 00:12:58,760 Kim Bernard I live in the shanigan beach Estates in shaelan shaigan Lake Area B 150 00:12:55,639 --> 00:13:05,199 of the cvrd I would like to speak to R1 which is the South cin Community 151 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:10,880 assessment report I want to offer gratitude and congratulations to 152 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:16,199 everyone including all of the um input that was received this is an incredible 153 00:13:12,959 --> 00:13:21,399 report my remarks today if you can bear with me we drill down on pages eight and 154 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:26,480 nine of the report I'd like to First respectfully offer a correction to the 155 00:13:24,199 --> 00:13:33,880 origin story and name that is listed in the report for my area of sonan Lake I 156 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:39,959 have with me a documented interview with Jared cenan Williams who sat down with 157 00:13:36,519 --> 00:13:44,600 the discourse in October of 2020 to explain the meaning and name behind 158 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:49,000 shaelin that it means something mysterious happened here that we do not 159 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:54,680 understand and it's a wonderful story in the discourse so I would like that um 160 00:13:51,880 --> 00:14:00,720 information to go to the Eco plan um committee and next up I would just like 161 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:04,440 to say that this report identifies a pattern and alludes to a 162 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:09,240 growth pattern so I know we're all worried about the a word here in Canada 163 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:14,320 but I would like to offer the word amalgamation is also hanging over our 164 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:18,959 heads in the south end because of the growth projections in the capital 165 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:23,360 regional district and if we wonder who The Gatekeepers are for any change of 166 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:27,279 governance we have to look no further than the province of British Columbia 167 00:14:25,199 --> 00:14:33,240 and I think they have already told us what they think of the future projection 168 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:37,800 because they have redrawn the Electoral boundary and I brought that with me too 169 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:43,639 to include all of South cin together with Suk as the wand deuka 170 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:48,000 electoral area district and that along with their amazing stewardship of our 171 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:52,000 natural Water Resources instead of following the money I follow the water 172 00:14:50,279 --> 00:14:55,480 tells me that they have more than enough capacity to look after the sou end 173 00:14:53,839 --> 00:15:00,560 should they choose to look at this wonderful home inspection report and 174 00:14:58,199 --> 00:15:05,320 decide to make a bid to acquire Us in the next 10 to 20 years and so I would 175 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:10,480 invite this board to also include that in your planning that uh some of us 176 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:14,720 would like to remain rural or certainly have the quality of life that we 177 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:19,959 currently enjoy and this report belongs to all the people in our community so my 178 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:24,040 last I guess ask would be that this board works closely with the three area 179 00:15:22,079 --> 00:15:29,800 directors to make sure this information is published in a way that most people 180 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:35,560 who can't navigate the website can read so I did bring the last exhibit which is 181 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:40,600 the shanigan focus as an example of community reporting and they too refer 182 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:45,800 to our region as shans so I really do hope to have that corrected in the 183 00:15:42,519 --> 00:15:52,959 report and thank you everyone hia thank five seconds to spare I think 184 00:15:49,279 --> 00:15:52,959 we've got time for at least one more 185 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,399 speaker nobody else 186 00:16:02,199 --> 00:16:09,839 so if you could state your name and address yes my name is Dick folks I live 187 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:14,680 in view Royal uh 196 where I Road um I drove up here this morning to 188 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:21,680 come to this meeting because I find it very encouraging that this regional 189 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:27,279 district is U working on this subject and I'd like to think that it's going to 190 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:33,839 be all positive I've um I've been working on trying to promote rail or the 191 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:38,680 maintenance or re restoration of Island Rail for um ever since I retired about 192 00:16:37,199 --> 00:16:44,600 almost 40 years ago I've um spent many hours making 193 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:51,360 presentations trying to show the benefits of it um so that people would 194 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:57,639 learn but it's it seems to be a big struggle um in the wherever I see the 195 00:16:54,639 --> 00:17:02,480 word it's expensive I think that should be challenged challenge uh expensive is 196 00:17:00,959 --> 00:17:08,360 not a word that should be in the vocabulary of any report there should be 197 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:12,959 a figure and a comparative figure compared to what is it 198 00:17:14,199 --> 00:17:24,520 expensive uh the coming out here from Helen Road um as usual uh the Trans 199 00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:30,480 Canada highway is almost a walking speed um all the way from Veterans Parkway to 200 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:36,320 um to helin they're just piling up and it's 201 00:17:33,919 --> 00:17:43,120 just every day every day the rail could handle a lot of that 202 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:50,280 traffic coming up here I note that the people going to and from Duncan could 203 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:55,520 easily many of them I'm sure go by Rail and take their bike yes certainly but 204 00:17:53,520 --> 00:18:00,720 not they're not going to Pedal all that way the Trans Canada highway is quickly 205 00:17:58,159 --> 00:18:06,400 becoming much like a city street with all the frequent uh 206 00:18:03,679 --> 00:18:12,039 lights a friend and I handed out pamphlets at nen which is a major 207 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:16,520 employment area in squal promoting 208 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:21,200 rail at the time when the employees were coming off work and some of them 209 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:27,559 literally snatched the pamphlets out of the my hand saying I live in L Smith or 210 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:32,960 such this vehicle would bring me right to the door of my 211 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:37,799 employment the crawl through view Royal is absolutely horrendous I worked at the 212 00:18:35,159 --> 00:18:45,559 dockyard in my lifetime and it was always a crawl and it's no not any 213 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:51,760 better for the for cyclists who object to rail all I can say is yeah maybe at 214 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:56,640 my age I might like to ride a bicycle in the couch and area but do you think I'm 215 00:18:54,480 --> 00:19:02,080 going to ride a bicycle all the way from V Royal to cin 216 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:07,320 but on the other hand I could jump on a rail car with my bike and come up here 217 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:13,679 and enjoy this Valley right time thank 218 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:18,760 you so that concludes public input we can now move on straight to reports the 219 00:19:16,039 --> 00:19:23,080 first report in front of us is with regards to the South couch Community 220 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:28,840 issues assessment so we do have a presentation from Eco plan and I 221 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:33,240 understand we have a representative from Eco plan who's going to uh to deliver 222 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:38,960 this presentation oh and Miss Ferguson's 223 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:43,000 going to first provide a overview uh good morning chair and 224 00:19:40,919 --> 00:19:46,559 directors uh I am here along with our consultant uh this morning to present 225 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:50,559 the South CCH and Community issues assessment report this report provides 226 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:54,080 the residents perspectives on governance and Service delivery challenges within 227 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:58,000 the South cin region the data and its findings 228 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:03,440 presented in the report in the report were compiled utilizing a wide uh 229 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:09,240 variety of inputs such as the online survey Community forums popup events 230 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:15,919 meetings with local stakeholders and consult uh sorry cons consultations with 231 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:19,840 uh cvd staff this project stems from a board directive and was subsequently 232 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:24,600 captured in your strategic plan as objective 233 00:20:21,799 --> 00:20:29,360 2.3 uh I am proud to introduce our consultant and Marie Whitaker who is an 234 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:33,120 associate senior planner with EOP plan and Marie will provide you with a 235 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:37,559 PowerPoint presentation and then we will welcome your comments uh questions 236 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:37,559 following 237 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:45,480 that thank you thank you very much for um allowing me to come back and present 238 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:49,880 the oom and the findings from this report so appreciate that um just 239 00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:55,159 checking in if technically speaking everyone can see the actual PowerPoint 240 00:20:52,200 --> 00:21:00,039 presentation not present interview y we can see it great thank you so much and 241 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:04,000 and I also just want to pause to a moment to say thank you to the public 242 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:08,280 speaker this morning for um comments on the the assessment and then also sharing 243 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:12,559 some information for updating the report so I appreciate that a 244 00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:16,400 lot um what I'll do quickly just to give you a quick outline of the presentation 245 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:19,640 in terms of um what I'll talk about today I'll give you a quick project 246 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:24,679 overview for some of you who may not be as familiar with the project as the 247 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:27,799 Electoral area Bay AB andc um we'll talk a bit about what we heard and then 248 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,520 considerations for next steps moving forward 249 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:38,640 um to begin I'll talk a little bit about the project overall but generally 250 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:43,120 speaking wanted to focus your uh attention on the area of this report and 251 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:49,240 and um and where the focus happens it was for residents living in South couch 252 00:21:45,159 --> 00:21:54,679 and communities electoral areas a b and c the purpose of the report or the the 253 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:58,120 project or study in general was to help residents and the cbrd understand the 254 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:02,799 current governance and servicing situation for these electoral areas and 255 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:07,120 I say cbrd as well because just getting a picture of how residents feel about 256 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:10,240 governance and servicing um it was also to engage residents and collect their 257 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:14,919 issues and concerns so I was really targeted about that um related to 258 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:19,720 governance and servicing overall um and then report out on what we heard from 259 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:25,440 residents um to it in in the hopes that we would identify um any service or 260 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:25,440 governing gaps that may 261 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,760 exist um one thing I did want to point out before for this and this is 262 00:22:29,159 --> 00:22:33,919 something we had to remind residents quite frequently of throughout this work 263 00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:38,880 as well was that this was not an incorporation study um this was as 264 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:44,120 mentioned this work was to identify and acknowledge the concerns um and then to 265 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:50,080 really clarify any of the problems before jumping to Solutions um and uh 266 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:54,159 just to take this information as a way to First explore those options for 267 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:58,640 addressing concerns within existing framework or governance framework this 268 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:03,360 being a very important step uh for the ministry of M Municipal Affairs um just 269 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:08,320 to identify the problems first you know is the ladder on the right wall um it 270 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:12,919 was just looking at that first step and so there was four phases to 271 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:18,880 this project moving forward which occurred over the 2024 period um mainly 272 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:22,720 during spring and summer and and a little bit into the fall so a lot of 273 00:23:20,919 --> 00:23:27,679 this engagement occurred over a period just noting that um that typically isn't 274 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:32,600 an engagement period but we did get out there so um it includes these the 275 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:38,200 background work a situation assessment um engagement to identify those issues 276 00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:42,559 and then um drafting the final report so now I'll move in and just tell 277 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:48,480 you give you the highlights of the the overall what we heard in terms of um in 278 00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:48,480 terms of the 279 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:55,720 assessment um just before I get into the the outcomes of it uh to give you just 280 00:23:54,159 --> 00:24:00,200 an overview of the Outreach and engagement that was included within uh 281 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:05,760 the process of the reporting uh we did use the cvd plan your couch and web page 282 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:09,720 um for information we also had information and rack cards that were 283 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:13,080 delivered throughout the communities um there was social media posts to 284 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:17,120 advertise both the survey and some of the events that were happening 285 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:20,840 throughout um the spring and summer uh we had Community posters lawn signs 286 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:25,360 throughout the community an ad placed in the Focus Magazine uh Community survey 287 00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:30,200 uh was running throughout that whole period of time we had one Community 288 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:34,520 Forum in each Community uh or electoral area popup events that happened 289 00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:38,279 throughout the summer and then um we did do some reaching out to neighboring 290 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:45,360 First Nations communities uh Community groups and targeted interviews with cvrd 291 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,360 staff and uh Improvement 292 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:54,159 districts uh engagement overall we compiled 412 survey responses there was 293 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:59,000 96 residents who attended the community forums held in each electoral area many 294 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:02,279 residents were engaged at popup events um those were actually really great to 295 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:07,080 get out to because we were going to people um in various locations 296 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:13,000 throughout electoral area a b and c um we sent an invitation to nine Community 297 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:18,039 groups for input or allowing input um or requesting it rather um and then nine 298 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:21,880 targeted interviews with cbrd staff departments and then an invitation to 299 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:25,840 continued engagement with First Nations communities um we had one information 300 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:30,279 meeting that was held and then project updates were provided for that as well 301 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:38,320 so the following is is what we heard um this is both a mix through the community 302 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:42,039 Forum input and the surveys outputs um so for the purpose of the report this 303 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:47,200 information was grouped into three main themes uh governance servicing and then 304 00:25:45,159 --> 00:25:51,840 those areas or issues and concerns that residents raised that were um outside 305 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:56,640 the jurisdiction of cvrd so we needed sort of a container for those as well um 306 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:01,240 and so to give you some of the highlights for both the survey and 307 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:06,200 community forums 68% of re residents felt they understood what a regional 308 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:11,399 district is and how it operates 55% of residents felt that they understood how 309 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:15,840 decisions and voting happens at the cbrd and noting that our survey actually had 310 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:19,840 a bit of that kind of uh before asking questions kind of explaining how that 311 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:24,000 happens as well so through so there was a bit of an education pie in within that 312 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:28,880 survey too for those who may not have felt they understood uh initially and 313 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:33,360 then residents red the following issues as most important to them within these 314 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:40,640 areas and so this is compiled of those areas accountability um responsiveness 315 00:26:36,399 --> 00:26:40,640 to local concerns and transparency in 316 00:26:41,159 --> 00:26:47,520 governance just breaking this down a bit by electoral area to get a bit of 317 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:52,720 information of where they differed area a was most concerned with communication 318 00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:57,799 transparency and accountability whereas B and C uh shared a stronger interest in 319 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:02,960 representation of and response to their areas local concerns and issues so their 320 00:27:00,399 --> 00:27:07,919 interests um more so than the communication transparency um so just a 321 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:11,320 little bit of the differences there um voting structure and the ability of 322 00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:16,320 other area directors to vote or influence decisions uh affecting the 323 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,720 Electoral areas AB andc were also very common comments that we received both 324 00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:24,080 throughout the community Forum as well as on the survey and many comments 325 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,960 received at the community forums focused on concerns and issues that is as 326 00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:31,240 mentioned were outside the jurisdiction of 327 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:35,480 cbrd and so just to give you a sense of what those were um expressed by 328 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:41,440 residents that fell into that category are listed here um and they're generally 329 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:46,200 I guess listed in the order order of of frequency that we heard them but that's 330 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:51,559 not statistically counted but it is just in general just how we compiled these so 331 00:27:49,159 --> 00:27:55,640 um we most some of the biggest ones were about the road standards and maintenance 332 00:27:53,279 --> 00:28:01,240 so Lo local traffic pedestrian and active Transportation uh potholes snow 333 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:05,760 reval uh coordination of improvement districts and private utilities uh as 334 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:09,240 well as Equity of services between different areas and then just a concern 335 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,840 for Aging in infrastructure uh water quality and 336 00:28:11,159 --> 00:28:17,880 Watershed protection and I'll note that this was more so in in area B and then 337 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:22,279 uh proposed subdivision development application wait times and frequency of 338 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:28,720 Transit service or inefficiency of roots was 339 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:33,240 mentioned in terms of servicing um 70 6% of residents felt they understood 340 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:38,000 Service delivery in cbrd 23% of residents were satisfied with Services 341 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:41,760 received and 28 had a neutral stance um noting that many comments that we 342 00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:46,799 received on servicing at this time and during this this period were related to 343 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:51,519 the change in the garbage collection um as well as uh tops concerns for 344 00:28:49,159 --> 00:28:57,600 servicing and these were compiled with all of them uh new growth and 345 00:28:54,120 --> 00:29:03,360 development was uh a top concern as well as cost cost for services especially in 346 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:10,399 areas who would also pay additional user fees um uh and and their taxes and then 347 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:14,960 efficiency and coordination between Ser jurisdictions as well as inequity of 348 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:14,960 service 349 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:22,440 provision additionally uh 57% of residents felt they understood how 350 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:28,200 service costs were determined and residents concerns with cost of services 351 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:33,279 were that costs were too high uh that paying for services they don't receive 352 00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:38,600 or most often benefit from or felt that they didn't benefit from and a concern 353 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:41,960 for how costs are calculated and feeling that they're paying more for than their 354 00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:47,960 share their fair share for those services so those were some of the the 355 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:53,039 overview of of um uh resident concerns and issues with respect to for 356 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:58,679 servicing um so looking at just a highlevel summary of all of this 357 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:03,360 combined together um so just taking a step back and then looking at the survey 358 00:30:00,399 --> 00:30:06,919 and the community forums uh just noting that issues many of these were all very 359 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,440 much interrelated um just noting that many of 360 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:15,240 the issues were identified that by residents but they were also identified 361 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:19,080 in our interviews with cvrd and area directors though basically everyone's 362 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:23,399 saying the same thing um you know they're all you know there's not a huge 363 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:28,480 huge gaps in there um and although there were many questions about why this 364 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:33,840 wasn't an incorporation study and why this wasn't about um that that topic in 365 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:37,120 particular just noting that Independence and autonomy when it was listed and 366 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:43,000 within the survey as well as at Community forums wasn't ranked as a top 367 00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:48,679 issue at most of those within within the the work that we came back or the input 368 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:52,120 that we received um and then just noting that the top of what we called cross 369 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:57,320 cutting issues so those issues that were identified residents cbrd and other 370 00:30:54,799 --> 00:31:01,679 service providers were all mostly focused related to the level of service 371 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:05,880 and servicing followed by those aspects that I mentioned that were outside the 372 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,880 cbd's 373 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:12,519 jurisdiction um and then cross cutting issues by theme in terms of governance 374 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:16,559 uh accessible information and Communications on servicing and 375 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:20,760 responsibilities was noted um jurisdiction was just the subdivision 376 00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:25,559 development times coordination planning of of planning objectives and policy um 377 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:30,480 and then servicing infrastructure and growth growth being huge um um continued 378 00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:34,360 upgrades and Replacements so worrying about that future how it will look 379 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:38,039 inequity between areas maintenance Regional planning and then water supply 380 00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:43,559 and protection so just noting that there was 381 00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:48,279 that study that was done back in 2009 and then kind of looking at today and 382 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:53,480 and comparing those two basically not much has changed since 2009 there has 383 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:57,960 been a few shifting concerns taxes and user fees and rising cost of living kind 384 00:31:55,919 --> 00:32:02,200 of came to the top a little bit more and then coordination and communication 385 00:31:59,399 --> 00:32:05,559 between jurisdictions for regional and strategic planning on 386 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:09,240 infrastructure was also something that came up more frequently than what it 387 00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:13,600 looked like in 2009 so to wrap up I just wanted to talk 388 00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:17,080 a little bit about next steps this report offers some considerations for 389 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,440 next steps and what to do with the information um and this was grouped 390 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:25,360 again into the three themes of governance servicing and those outside 391 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:29,240 the jurisdiction of cbrd noting again that many of these overlap and are inter 392 00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:34,000 related so um in terms of considerations for 393 00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:39,000 governance um possibly looking at coordinating infrastructure on a on a 394 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:43,279 more Regional basis um targeting a review and update of cvrd planning and 395 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:47,600 policy with these issues that have come up through this so that could just look 396 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:52,720 like an actual review or it could be just when policy and planning plans are 397 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:56,679 being updated that you use this these issues or this 398 00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:03,120 output to to sort of Target certain areas increase information to residents 399 00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:06,639 on governance and servicing and then um conducting a follow-up governance study 400 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,760 possibly to explore changes within the regional district model that would 401 00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:15,120 address some of these concerns that came out through this assessment um and this 402 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:18,440 could explore changes um could also be incorporated or some of this work could 403 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:22,240 be incorporating at a regional level into future Regional planning work as 404 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:29,000 well uh in terms of considerations for servicing uh maybe looking at High 405 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,279 highlighting the board priorities related to servicing specifically for 406 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:36,840 South couch and residents so this is a bit of a Communications thing um explore 407 00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:40,960 our changes to budgets to focus on South couch and communities uh in particular 408 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,720 on some of the issues that were raised look at ways to increase collaboration 409 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:49,679 between cbrd municipalities and Improvement districts exploring the 410 00:33:47,159 --> 00:33:52,639 potential to reduce uh Improvement districts and amalgamate some of the 411 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,279 services to better address some of the issues that came 412 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,720 forward and then in terms of jurisdiction 413 00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:07,159 increasing advocacy and Communications with uh mot the uh it's now 414 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:11,720 transportation and Transit um and this uh this is ongoing I know but also uh so 415 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:15,000 looking at ways to increase that or to address some of the issues that have 416 00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:20,079 come forth uh engaging in lobbying senior levels of government also ongoing 417 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:26,240 I'm sure um and then looking for ways to improve coordination of subdivision 418 00:34:22,839 --> 00:34:31,200 approval process and if not uh maybe exploring Options under the land title 419 00:34:27,879 --> 00:34:37,560 act which I I know has also been uh something ongoing 420 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:44,200 too and then uh possible next steps just to finish up um so looking at at the 421 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:49,000 considerations uh that were just listed and maybe prioritizing these in issues 422 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:52,240 so is Communications to Residents uh a top priority or is maybe looking at 423 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:56,919 changes to servicing or plans and policies um just determining that 424 00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:01,839 mapping out uh departments that are involved the plans and policies that uh 425 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:07,560 or maybe additional studies that may be required uh evaluating options and key 426 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:11,760 actions um and then of course knowing which one which ones they you you know 427 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,240 things that you're targeting to identify budget allocation and external funding 428 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:20,720 or whatever is needed to support some of these changes and then reporting back of 429 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:24,800 course as the most important uh to and updating the South couch and Community 430 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:29,240 uh residents with any changes or movements or U directions that are taken 431 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:35,800 by the board and with that just covers it at a very 432 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:39,200 high level at a high speed there you go great thank you for the uh presentation 433 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:44,640 I'll turn to the committee ask if there's any questions but I I will note 434 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:49,440 that staff have prepared a suggested motion here that um speaks the concern 435 00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:53,520 raised by director Morrison about having this referred to the Electoral area 436 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:57,319 Services committee for further discussion so we can either consider 437 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:01,160 this motion or if anyone's got any uh question question for the presenter 438 00:35:58,839 --> 00:36:07,160 director act and then director mlon Clarity is that the motion I shared 439 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,160 with the board oh 440 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:20,280 okay okay so I said staff motion your motion give you well it is yeah all 441 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:25,200 right any discussion or do we want to for the presenter any any questions for 442 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,200 the 443 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:33,720 presenter director abbit perhaps a two-prong and it may be more 444 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:39,880 for staff to answer uh can you refresh our memories as to how long this process 445 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:45,400 has taken to get to this uh to today's report and ballpark how much have we 446 00:36:42,839 --> 00:36:51,000 spent uh getting to this report yeah so the work was as a result 447 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:55,160 of a grant from The Province um the grant was 448 00:36:51,839 --> 00:37:02,119 $6,000 um so we have spent pretty much that um it has taken a year 449 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:08,240 um it started January last year um so there was a lot of consultation with the 450 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:11,000 the communities and Outreach and um to get to this point 451 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:20,920 so any further discussion we ready to consider this 452 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:26,520 recommendation director mlon um just am I on thank you um thank you chair just I 453 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,800 was uh a couple moments late could you read the motion for me is that possible 454 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,520 yeah I don't think I've actually read it out for anyone yet so it's uh that it be 455 00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:37,640 recommended to the board that staff report back to the Electoral area 456 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:41,160 Services committee with a report that provides further information and options 457 00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:45,839 to address South couch and Community issues South couch and Community 458 00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:51,359 identified issues in the categories of governance servicing and jurisdiction as 459 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:56,079 proposed in the equal plan report uh director Wilson oh I was just 460 00:37:54,160 --> 00:38:00,040 moving okay so it's moved is there a second or seconded by uh 461 00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:08,040 director Seagal any further discussion director Acton I'd just like 462 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:11,680 to um understand how come this wasn't at electoral area Services committee to 463 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:19,440 begin with I don't have the answer to 464 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,440 that Miss Miles 465 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:28,040 Wilson um sorry I don't see it I'll just oh there we go Jesse's on camera 466 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:35,480 thank thanks for the question um so a couple of things so originally the 467 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:38,920 Direction came through the board right and um and it's in your strategic 468 00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:42,640 planned as well so recognizing the comments that have already been shared 469 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:46,800 about the need to have an electoral area discussion staff hear you loud and clear 470 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:51,079 um some of the recommendations and considerations in this report do require 471 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:55,119 the board's support to proceed and so staff's recommendation was to to put 472 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:58,440 this on this uh uh Committee of the whole so that everybody could benefit 473 00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:02,160 from the presid and receive the information but we recognize that the 474 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:06,240 further deep dive into this will definitely have to be at elector area 475 00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:06,240 Services 476 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:13,200 committee any further discussion we ready to call the 477 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:19,119 question director Justice yeah thank you um recognizing 478 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:22,920 that it's going to the EAC probably um I'll just take the opportunity to ask 479 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:28,480 one question of the presenter if that's all right um and is sort of what I 480 00:39:26,839 --> 00:39:35,000 consider to be a bit of a a contradiction with respect to the uh 481 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:42,280 ranking of uh issues specific to governance um noted that the uh the 482 00:39:39,839 --> 00:39:48,720 statement that Independence and autonomy consistently ranked um as the lowest 483 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:55,400 concern um related to governance and in uh in in in all of the survey responses 484 00:39:53,319 --> 00:40:02,319 and I just wondered um how that might square with the 485 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:07,920 um idea that there was a lot of concern that uh other electoral area directors 486 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:13,440 um had too much say in issues that are specific to AB and C so those two things 487 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:20,560 seem to me to be contradictory and I just wondered if you could take a stab 488 00:40:16,319 --> 00:40:27,680 at uh making that consistent for me m Whitaker yes thank you um no it's 489 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:31,280 true that's that's why I me mentioned many times that that many of these are 490 00:40:29,319 --> 00:40:37,040 interrelated and so sometimes they overlap and it's difficult to pull apart 491 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:41,880 but just I was noting that um I guess we you know kind of overall 492 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:48,319 there was a lot of talk of whether or not that this you know this study or 493 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:53,640 assessment was whether it was about uh incorporation and so we you know we had 494 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:57,800 to separate that out but in the survey um we just asked if Independence and 495 00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:02,760 autonomy is is the uh you know a top concern and it 496 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:07,040 just didn't ever get ranked as one of the top concerns but of course as you 497 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:11,920 mentioned there's a number of you know other talking about communication or the 498 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:15,720 voting or whatnot that overlaps with Independence and and autonomy so so 499 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:22,119 you're correct like that it is a bit of a contradiction it's just that in noting 500 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:26,839 that in the survey um you know that was constantly be put as your top concern 501 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:33,240 for residents that residents were more often concerned with um you know 502 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:38,599 communication or um just the servicing or service related issues that have come 503 00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:45,839 about or or just into the details of Roads or things that that that were more 504 00:41:42,319 --> 00:41:49,680 you know home close to home hitting so um so yeah no thank you for pointing 505 00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:53,960 that out those things are overlapping and they do you know um if you're 506 00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:59,280 concerned with voting then obviously you're concerned with an autonomy or a 507 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:04,480 level of autonomy but consistently when when residents ranked their top issues 508 00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:10,040 it was more about response of the board or response of the cvd to the issues 509 00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:16,560 that matter to them the most as opposed to um you know jumping to the we want 510 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:21,640 independence from everyone else thank you does that help kind of explain how 511 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:28,680 that came about yeah I mean remains quite interesting to me but yeah it was 512 00:42:24,359 --> 00:42:32,800 to me too yeah thanks yeah all right before we call the question 513 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:37,800 just one uh thought for the Electoral area Services committee to consider and 514 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:40,920 also the rest of the board um we we did get the attachment to the report 515 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:46,720 subsequently after the agenda was published with some of the um breakdown 516 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:51,280 of the growth projections um what we found at the municipality North couchin 517 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:55,760 is that um there is quite a bit of uncertainty and and I'd say 518 00:42:53,160 --> 00:43:00,040 contradictions around some of the growth projections so we've been given many 519 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:04,520 other municipalities uh housing Target order with a particular figure that we 520 00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:08,880 have to reach over a 5year period we've been advised that that's 75% of our 521 00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:14,040 housing need so two different numbers we've also done an updated um housing 522 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:18,040 needs report based on a formula from the province which has given us a third 523 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:22,160 number and then we've also reviewed the BC stats population and household 524 00:43:20,359 --> 00:43:26,640 projections which is given us a fourth number over the next 5 10 20 years so 525 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,960 we've written to the Prov to the housing minister asking for clarification on 526 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,760 this because we're working with very different figures and they're not within 527 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:38,040 a small range there's quite a range between these four different figures 528 00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:41,319 complicating this is the federal government has announced some pretty 529 00:43:39,319 --> 00:43:45,720 drastic changes with regards to Federal immigration policies so as we know in 530 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:50,079 Canada we've got a declining natural birth rate our population growth has 531 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:54,680 been driven by record immigration numbers in recent years which were 532 00:43:51,800 --> 00:44:01,319 pushing growth rates 2 and a half 3% in uh 2022 2023 1. 9% last year with the 533 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:06,079 federal government recently announcing a a pretty drastic reversal of the federal 534 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:12,920 immigration policies we're now looking at a um population decline in Canada for 535 00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:17,800 this year of 0 2% another decline of 0 2% the following year and then 8% growth 536 00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:22,640 the year after that and what we've been advised by the housing uh minister is 537 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:26,480 that government is uh reviewing and revising their population household 538 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:30,520 projections based on these new immigration numbers so I just point that 539 00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:35,880 out in that we um we do all this analysis on growth projections housing 540 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:39,359 needs um yet we're confronted with all these very contradictory numbers and 541 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:42,800 then we find out all those contradictory numbers aren't correct because the 542 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:46,880 federal government has made these big changes again with Federal immigration 543 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:50,839 policy and we're going to have to revise those those projections I think we can 544 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:54,079 all be confident that we live in quite a beautiful part of the world beautiful 545 00:44:52,359 --> 00:44:57,040 part of the country there's going to be people wanted to come here there's going 546 00:44:55,359 --> 00:45:00,240 to be growth but I would just encourage enourage everyone whether it's through 547 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:04,200 this exercise or any of the work we're doing to be a bit skeptical on some of 548 00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:10,000 these numbers that have been presented to us because they they are subject to 549 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:15,200 pretty drastic change uh when there's a sight change in policy at the federal or 550 00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:19,040 provincial level so I see I've got director Morrison and then director 551 00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:24,280 Wilson here director Morrison thank you chair 552 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:29,640 um and just in regards to director Justice's uh uh remarks it's a it's it's 553 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:34,160 an interesting uh contradiction and and one of the things that uh our our 554 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:38,240 friends and and residents in in the South couch and have have always noted 555 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:43,319 and all the time that I've been here is is that Curiosity about the how this 556 00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:48,400 Federation works and why the different Municipal and electoral area directors 557 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:53,119 that may be far flung from that region participate and vote on issues that are 558 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:57,480 of a concern and so that's one of the reasons why we make sure that we all 559 00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:02,079 know what's going on in our communities and that we are wise to go and attend 560 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:07,160 some of the community events and and engagements that happen in our our the 561 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:10,680 southern part of our region because uh folks like to know that if you're going 562 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:14,559 to be participating in in voting on issues that concern South cin that 563 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:19,000 you're there and present and understand what the issues are related to that area 564 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:24,520 so that's pretty important but my question for our presenter today is and 565 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:29,240 and I I read with interest about the it seemed like there's a a relatively High 566 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:35,079 LEL LEL of understanding about not only the uh the voting but the uh the fiscal 567 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:40,160 aspect of how our regional district works and that the there seem to be a 568 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:45,400 fairly high level of uh of understanding amongst residents as to who pays for 569 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:51,200 what and and you have to benefit from a service to or being as part of a service 570 00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:55,640 paying for it and receiving benefit and and I note that you you did 571 00:46:53,839 --> 00:47:00,680 differentiate that there there's a difference between the municip simple 572 00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:05,400 structure of how we uh how how taxes are collected and then distributed versus in 573 00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:11,280 an electoral area or in the regional district did you drill down a little bit 574 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:17,079 on that just because I I find when people move to my community uh electoral 575 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:21,480 area from a municipality and then we I I take the time to describe a little bit 576 00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:25,880 how each individual function collects taxes for that function and for that 577 00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:30,599 service and only those people that are in that service are paying for and 578 00:47:28,359 --> 00:47:35,359 receiving benefits did you drill down a little bit on that with people as you 579 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:41,880 were collecting this information Miss Whitaker thank you um 580 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:46,520 in terms of just at Community forums when people would have conversations we 581 00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:53,480 would we would talk a little bit more about that but um uh no uh it wasn't I 582 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:59,079 it wasn't something I mean aside from as I mentioned within the survey there 583 00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:03,280 would be um each question PR preceding each question was a little bit of 584 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:08,400 information about how the the the regional district operated so um so 585 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:14,520 there was that and then as I as I mentioned staff was in attendance at um 586 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:17,880 at uh at Community forums as well and so staff was there to provide additional 587 00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:23,040 information and drill a little bit more deeper into how that operates 588 00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:30,559 um yeah followup director Morrison I've got 589 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,559 director dor Wilson then director 590 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:37,640 deck thank you ch um this is more a question for what you've just mentioned 591 00:48:35,319 --> 00:48:42,160 you touched on migration as opposed to immigration are there any numbers that 592 00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:46,920 anybody's come up with a possible forecast on that because that's a major 593 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:51,799 part of what's Happening Here on our Island migration rather than immigration 594 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:55,480 do we have any numbers for for that kind of thing or maybe the uh maybe the 595 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,720 consultant knows that one as well yeah 596 00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:03,319 I'll turn to Miss Whit in a moment I mean we we have our own um housing needs 597 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:09,760 projections as you know here at the regional district municipalities as well 598 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:14,280 the one challenge is those are based on um assumptions made at the the 599 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:18,720 provincial level and federal level so they are informed by those those 600 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:24,079 immigration numbers okay thank you H Miss Whitaker anything to add to 601 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:30,119 that uh no that the the numbers that were were used for uh the commd 602 00:49:26,799 --> 00:49:34,680 assessment was um based on the recent 2024 housing needs assessment so that's 603 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:39,000 the the source of the population data that was 604 00:49:36,359 --> 00:49:41,640 used so I've got director deck then director mclinton 605 00:49:41,799 --> 00:49:52,960 um thank you very much for that huge wonderful report it uh I certainly saw 606 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:57,160 the overlaps um with area I and and uh I'm therefore I'm grateful that this is 607 00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:02,079 going to go on to the uh easc because at that point maybe 608 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:09,880 there'll be some resolutions that will satisfy South cin 609 00:50:06,839 --> 00:50:18,480 as well I I think we would all benefit from U more transparency and uh you know 610 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:25,280 there's at least a perception of lack of services so um yes I I'm grateful for 611 00:50:22,359 --> 00:50:31,480 that for your report and for us moving it all forward thank 612 00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:37,720 you director mclan thank you chair um while I respect all of my colleagues 613 00:50:33,799 --> 00:50:40,640 opinions deeply greatly I I am you know I don't know what the right word is I'm 614 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:44,040 not sure how or why it ended up at Committee of the whole this this this 615 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:48,400 information item so I I would like to call the question the the motion on the 616 00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:52,920 floor all right I see no other speakers with their hands raised I'll call the 617 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:57,359 question all in favor and opposed nonone opposed motion carries we can now move 618 00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:03,280 on to our next report um thanks thanks Miss Whitaker for the 619 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:07,960 presentation thank you we'll move on to our next report the cbrd Island Rail 620 00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:13,920 Corridor shared visioning project final report turn to staff to provide an 621 00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:22,440 overview uh good morning chair and directors I'm pleased to introduce today 622 00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:27,240 um s Tani and Johan Vanek from stantech who led the report that will be 623 00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:31,559 presented today and Lindsay friet K from modus who led the 624 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,720 communications and uh over to them now thank 625 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:41,440 you good morning everyone uh I hope everyone's well just going to start 626 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:41,440 sharing the screen 627 00:51:42,799 --> 00:51:50,960 here I hope everyone can see my screen yeah we can see your screen thank 628 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:55,359 you very much I hope you're well and I really appreciate the time to present 629 00:51:52,920 --> 00:52:00,200 the report today uh my name is Salah I'm a senior real engineer project manager 630 00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:04,480 pantic and today in collaboration with my colleagues Lindsay and Johan we're 631 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:10,000 going to provide a summary presentation on the Island Rail Corridor towards a 632 00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:14,760 shared Vision uh project report going to the next slide here's our agenda on the 633 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:18,119 first few slides I'm going to go over uh to the introduction and Real History 634 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:22,200 slides there's going to be a brief conversation there on uh the project and 635 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:27,119 then I'm going to hand it over to Lindsay to go over the findings on uh 636 00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:33,319 the First Nation engagement and public and stakeholder engagement then we have 637 00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:37,760 our technical scope of the project and Johan is going to provide a summary on 638 00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:42,280 the environmental scope land use planning Transportation Planning options 639 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:47,119 and option assessment and at the end of the presentation we're going to quickly 640 00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:51,760 go over the next steps identified at the end of our 641 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:55,720 project and uh while we have quick time at the end of the presentation to answer 642 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:59,880 the questions uh because of the multi-discipline Nary nature of the 643 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:03,960 project if you guys have any question during the presentation please feel free 644 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:07,880 to uh share that with us and we would be more than happy to answer that either 645 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:12,079 during the presentation or at the end of the 646 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:17,720 presentation going over to next slide here's our uh project structure so uh 647 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:21,839 towards a shared region project was initiated and funded by Ministry of 648 00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:27,880 Transportation in collaboration with five Regional districts including cvrd 649 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:33,000 14 First Nations and Alan Corridor Foundation we started a project in April 650 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:38,040 last year we completed our graph report late 2024 and finalized that in January 651 00:53:38,839 --> 00:53:47,440 2025 and one of the important aspects of the project scope was history of the 652 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:52,079 Island Rail Corridor and we reviewed the Island Rail Corridor history and we 653 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:57,079 summarized that presented that in the report in addition in the past 20 years 654 00:53:54,599 --> 00:54:01,680 there have been several technical reports and studies we made sure to 655 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:06,200 review them summarize them and provide uh a review of those findings um 656 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:11,240 including track alignment track condition reports dating back to 2003 657 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:17,359 all the way to 2020 Freight analysis studies business cases study in 2022 in 658 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:21,920 addition we synthesized this recent work completed by ICF and Ministry of 659 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:26,680 Transportation such as Corridor evaluation report development strategies 660 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:30,400 for rail Corridor report South Land Transportation strategy and stakeholder 661 00:54:28,799 --> 00:54:35,640 engagement completed in 2022 now I'm going to pass it to my 662 00:54:32,799 --> 00:54:41,079 colleague Lindsay on the engagement scope thank you 663 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:46,079 Sally um I'm going to start with an overview of the First Nations engagement 664 00:54:43,319 --> 00:54:50,720 um first nation's engagement is critical to this project and understanding of the 665 00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:55,200 potential for a shared vision for the Island Rail Corridor as a whole we're 666 00:54:53,000 --> 00:55:01,280 working within the colonial history of the Esquimalt and Nyo Railway land 667 00:54:57,799 --> 00:55:06,319 grants and the unresolved legal actions of a number of First Nations relating to 668 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:10,799 reserve lands um in addition to that first 669 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,960 nations were also undertaking their own visioning processes so we wanted to 670 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:19,760 understand the outcomes of those and coordinate across so with this our 671 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:24,039 objectives for engagement were to collaborate and build relationships to 672 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:27,440 learn about each nation's involvement en visioning and any outcomes that they 673 00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:32,280 could share to learn about each nation's interests 674 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:37,880 in the different potential future uses um and specifically to learn from cin 675 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:41,359 tribes Halal and stus First Nation about their desired future use for the 676 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:46,760 bisected Reserve lands so with this we engaged Seven 677 00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:50,839 Nations through this process um in addition to kaich and Halal and stus 678 00:55:48,839 --> 00:55:57,480 with their B bisected Reserve lands we engaged with malahat and pelate tribe 679 00:55:53,520 --> 00:56:03,359 current members of ICF and subasa Nation a former uh member of 680 00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:06,400 ICF and we also engaged with uh nations with traditional territory throughout 681 00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:13,400 the cbrd um Sally next 682 00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:21,200 slide so I'll just go through Nation by Nation to share what we've heard kaichin 683 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:27,200 tribes uh has uh Reserve number one is bisected in two locations 750 m in the 684 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:31,200 northern portion and 750 15 me in the southern 685 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:34,920 portion the feedback that we reive from cwit and tribes is that they would like 686 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:40,680 to have their bisected Reserve lands returned to reserve um just a bit of 687 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:46,119 more context about that CCH and tribes followed uh the legal actions of snow no 688 00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:50,000 First Nations in 2015 that were brought against Canada and the island Corridor 689 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:53,520 foundation so they have legal actions that are not yet resolved um that were 690 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:57,720 issued in 2016 and they do not want a rail or 691 00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,920 Trail to go through their Reserve next 692 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:10,760 slide Halal First Nation uh Reserve number two uh is bisected you can see in 693 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:17,280 the southern uh part of that image by approximately 1,500 694 00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:21,200 meters um similar to CCH and tribes Halal for nation has filed legal actions 695 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:26,760 against Canada and the island Corridor foundation in 2016 seeking the reversion 696 00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:29,960 of their former Reserve lands in terms of the feedback that we 697 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:34,720 received from Hol alt they shared that landback is a priority they are 698 00:57:32,359 --> 00:57:38,359 interested in understanding the options of different potential future uses and 699 00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:41,960 the cost implications and they're interested also 700 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:46,839 in the potential for the Island Rail cdor in reducing the number of trucks on 701 00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:51,920 the highway that pass through Reserve to help reduce the environmental and health 702 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:56,880 impacts of the of those Vehicles so they recognize that if a 703 00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:00,720 rail was to be reintroduced uh safety would need to be addressed 704 00:57:59,359 --> 00:58:06,160 particularly as it passes through the reserve and splits cultural sites with 705 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:08,680 um homes on the other side of the rail next slide 706 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:17,799 please um malahat foration does not have any bisected Reserve lands they do have 707 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:22,640 a reserve that is located near the Island Rail Corridor the feedback that 708 00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:25,920 we received is that regarding a preferred future use they support the 709 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:29,960 rights of First Nations with bisected Reser serve lands and they don't have a 710 00:58:28,359 --> 00:58:34,960 preferred future use at this time that they can share with us they are working 711 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:37,799 to establish a guardian program with the intent of reestablishing a connection to 712 00:58:36,839 --> 00:58:42,280 their land their connection has been cut off 713 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:45,640 since the corridor was established and as many of you know the corridor is 714 00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:49,760 difficult to access today so they're creating a virtual reality toolkit with 715 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:54,720 the intent of allowing community members and Elders to virtually experience what 716 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:59,160 is there today they're also undertaking ecosystem assistant and not 717 00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:02,319 assessment and natural asset inventory and they're seeing if there's interest 718 00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:08,319 in a multimodal corridor of note about their feedback is 719 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:13,520 that when the malahat highway is closed they are highly impacted by this um it 720 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:18,480 causes additional traffic to go through reserve and they are concerned about 721 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:22,799 emergency access and Wildfire risk so there may be a role for the island real 722 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:29,799 Corridor in supporting those concerns next slide please 723 00:59:26,839 --> 00:59:34,599 penel tribe does not have a bisected Reserve um their their Reserve is 724 00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:38,880 located approximately half a kilometer to the east of the Island Rail 725 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:42,359 Corridor their meeting minutes were under review uh to confirm reporting 726 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:48,119 permissions at the time of the report publishing next slide 727 00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:53,039 please stus first nation has two reserves that are bisected by the Island 728 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:58,920 Rail Corridor Reserve number 11 seen at the top of the image is bisected by 729 00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:03,799 about 550 meters and reserved number 12 is bisected by about 12200 730 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:07,640 meters stamina shared that they need more time to go back to their Community 731 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:13,400 to get a feel for what Chief and counsel would like to see before they can share 732 01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:16,640 about a preferred future use and our comments and questions were shared so 733 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:20,160 that they can go and take these to community next slide 734 01:00:20,839 --> 01:00:27,720 please subasa first nation is located on the NorthShore of cin Lake the Reserve 735 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:32,319 is not bisected by the Island Rail Corridor but it is located near the Spur 736 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:35,039 Line which extends West to couchin Lake so this is their greatest interest in 737 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:40,599 the Island Rail Corridor they shared that they see this 738 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:46,799 as a significant opportunity for infrastructure pieces to extend out 739 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:51,160 towards reserve and that if planned properly the Island Rail Corridor can 740 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:55,280 create great Transportation tourism and Industrial opportunities to alleviate 741 01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:58,480 some of the challenges on the island they emphasized that it's critical to 742 01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:02,880 understand and appreciate the complexity of the lands and how it affects each 743 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:08,160 Nation differently and how each Nation will have to be consulted with 744 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,160 individually next slide 745 01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:14,599 please our recommendation to the province was that they continue to 746 01:01:12,839 --> 01:01:18,960 provide ongoing funding to maintain the momentum that is underway and the 747 01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:26,280 collaboration that has been established through this phase of 748 01:01:21,799 --> 01:01:26,280 work next slide please 749 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,280 so I just have a few slides here now on the public and stakeholder engagement 750 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:37,839 thanks s um just as a high level over overview 751 01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:43,160 we hosted a public openhouse on September 14th in 752 01:01:39,319 --> 01:01:46,880 Duncan um the openhouse included uh a video uh where you could actually 753 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:52,559 experience and ride the rail um virtually of course and a story 754 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:58,319 map which scrolled through GIS mapping so folks could better understand the 755 01:01:54,720 --> 01:02:02,039 context um um there were about 350 people who 756 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:07,480 attended there was also an online survey to gather feedback so through the survey 757 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:10,559 the public was invited to share about their potential future uses and 758 01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:14,119 preferred what they would like to see in the 759 01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:18,119 future um the survey was available through the month of September and we 760 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:21,319 received over 4,000 responses there's incredible interest in this 761 01:02:21,359 --> 01:02:30,200 project next slide thank you in terms of the key takeaways from 762 01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:34,079 that survey participants shared that Transportation modes that best match 763 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:39,799 their future vision for their Island Rail Corridor it's a Top Choice folks 764 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:45,200 could choose all that apply 79% of people chose passenger rail 49% of 765 01:02:42,839 --> 01:02:50,440 people chose biking and hiking trails 42% chose 766 01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:55,440 Freight um the table below just provides a bit of a breakdown between the cvd and 767 01:02:53,760 --> 01:03:01,319 folks who responded from outside of the cvd or didn't share uh where they were 768 01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:06,440 responding from so inside the cbrd you'll see that slightly fewer people 769 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:10,640 are choosing rail as a as a preferred future use at 74% compared to people 770 01:03:08,799 --> 01:03:16,599 outside of the cbrd which is 88% in terms of biking and hiking 771 01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:20,720 trails people inside the cbrd chose that slightly more 52% versus outside of the 772 01:03:19,319 --> 01:03:26,079 cbrd at 47% and Freight Service uh was more 773 01:03:24,359 --> 01:03:31,039 highly selected for people who are outside of the cbrd at 48% versus 38% 774 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:34,520 inside the cbrd next slide 775 01:03:36,039 --> 01:03:43,000 please we also asked participants to share um their priorities around 776 01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:49,000 potential additional uses that could be hosted within the corridor adjacent to a 777 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:54,240 rail we we asked them to respond based on area uh station area so shanus Cobble 778 01:03:51,799 --> 01:03:59,440 Hill cin Duncan lady Smith malahat and shanigan 779 01:03:56,200 --> 01:04:03,760 across all areas except malahat you can see there was consistency highlighted in 780 01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:08,200 green active Transportation was the Top Choice followed by tourism and then 781 01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:15,119 Recreation and park like activities in the malahat area emergency preparedness 782 01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:17,680 was uh chosen more often than Recreation and park like 783 01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:26,960 activities next slide please in addition to public engagement 784 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:31,000 we hosted 19 one-on-one interviews with key stakeholders and organizations with 785 01:04:29,319 --> 01:04:36,279 interest in transportation Economic Development agriculture environment and 786 01:04:33,799 --> 01:04:41,440 utilities through these interviews we heard that seven out of 19 have a 787 01:04:38,359 --> 01:04:47,160 preferred future use of rail four out of 19 have a preferred future use of rail 788 01:04:44,359 --> 01:04:51,680 and Trail together and three out of 19 had a preference for trail only five out 789 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:54,960 of 19 shared that they had no Preferred Future 790 01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:59,119 use there were also some shared takeaways 791 01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:03,279 upholding the rights of First Nations maintaining the corridor as continuous 792 01:05:01,279 --> 01:05:07,880 in recognition that as a continuous Corridor it it that would preserve its 793 01:05:05,799 --> 01:05:13,760 potential for a future Transportation use and finding ways to improve Island 794 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:17,240 connectivity for the future of the corridor next slide 795 01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:23,440 please and you can move to the next one thank you so finally this slide is just 796 01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:29,279 to share some of the other process aspects 797 01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:33,319 that we um undertook as a part of our collaboration across governments and 798 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:39,119 with the island cordor Foundation there was a Regional District staff working 799 01:05:35,359 --> 01:05:43,920 group where uh staff met together to share process updates outcomes and draft 800 01:05:41,799 --> 01:05:49,039 directions so that supported information sharing at the staff level across 801 01:05:46,279 --> 01:05:54,599 Regional districts there was the CBD working group which included Regional 802 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:58,960 and Municipal staff we shared process updates technical deliver deliverables 803 01:05:57,039 --> 01:06:03,000 and and got guidance and and feedback on the work as it 804 01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:07,039 evolved and then the cbrd also participated in meetings with the island 805 01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:12,119 Corridor Foundation again to talk about process and share draft outcomes of the 806 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:14,200 process that's everything from me thank you 807 01:06:15,799 --> 01:06:23,760 Sally oh you're you're on mute apologies uh 808 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:27,160 thanks very much Lindsay uh now we're going to go over the technical slides 809 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:32,160 and youran is going to go over them and it's going to take you around 15 to 20 810 01:06:28,799 --> 01:06:32,160 minutes thanks very 811 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:42,160 much apologies Yan you're you're muted as 812 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:51,400 well sorry still muted 813 01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:02,720 is that any better yes thank you wonderful good morning everyone good 814 01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:08,720 morning directors ladies and gentlemen thanks for the opportunity to um just 815 01:07:06,039 --> 01:07:13,760 very briefly uh provide an overview of all the work that was 816 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:17,520 undertaken um specifically in in addition to the engagement and 817 01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:22,079 consultation talks that we heard about earlier um considerable technical 818 01:07:20,039 --> 01:07:26,720 efforts were also undertaken and these uh relate to 819 01:07:24,839 --> 01:07:30,680 environment um 820 01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:36,240 considerations then the land use and transportation evaluation and assessment 821 01:07:33,799 --> 01:07:42,119 and then based on the transportation options that were identified and option 822 01:07:39,279 --> 01:07:46,880 assessment of these uh were undertaken as well um next slide please Sor 823 01:07:47,279 --> 01:07:57,599 they so if we next one please so if we go to environmental considerations there 824 01:07:54,520 --> 01:08:03,839 three three components firstly natural habitat natural habitat really reviewed 825 01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:08,640 uh background information to identify potential environmental constraints on 826 01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:14,599 development based on the natural features of the area and the area was 827 01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:20,359 defined as the 30 m wide Corridor and then included a a a 1 km bu buffer on 828 01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:27,799 either side of the rail alignment um so therefore uh identify 829 01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:31,839 habitats plant and animal species um were identified that could could 830 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:35,600 potentially be impacted by development along the corridor next slide 831 01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:44,319 please as far as remediation is concerned 832 01:08:41,239 --> 01:08:49,640 um uh remediation guidelines and requirements were identified based on 833 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:57,400 Federal and provincial uh guidelines when land uses are proposed and an a 834 01:08:52,799 --> 01:09:02,520 cost estimate was made um in terms of remediation um it's very high level um 835 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:10,279 as you can see in the numbers and they vary quite significantly but physical 836 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:16,480 remediation um is is estimated to vary between 175 to 837 01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:23,000 300,000 per 100 met section of corridor and then there uh therea further risk 838 01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:30,359 assessment could also uh increase cost by 95 to 170,000 per 100 meter of a 839 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:36,799 corridor the cost variation is based on the extent of the common um the uh 840 01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:43,080 contamination findings and then also the um land use remediation Target in other 841 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:50,279 words whether the target is reverting to Industrial Land versus for example 842 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:50,279 industrial land next slide 843 01:09:50,600 --> 01:10:00,679 please on climate change um the focus was specifically on Wild fires extreme 844 01:09:56,440 --> 01:10:05,320 heat and flooding uh events um as far as their impacts along the corridor were 845 01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:12,400 concerned and the opportunities and risks that were uh identified in this 846 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:18,320 exercise um really can be summarized as um a corridor can provide a natural 847 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:24,760 buffer that can contain wild wildfire and flooding obviously uh a corridor 848 01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:32,360 provides emergency routing and also a transport route to offer supply chain 849 01:10:29,159 --> 01:10:37,280 resilience um but a r could also impact the transfer of flood risks and 850 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:44,040 obviously Transit operations could also ignite uh cause Sparks and ignite fires 851 01:10:41,159 --> 01:10:49,640 um that's just um a brief summary of the CL climate change uh 852 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:57,199 impacts next slide please so if we move on to uh land use evaluation and 853 01:10:53,320 --> 01:11:01,640 assessment um as far as land use and transportation was concerned uh the cor 854 01:10:59,719 --> 01:11:08,159 was split into the five segments as shown on that map um lady Smith chus um 855 01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:14,040 and then moving further south Duncan being um the the major urban area and 856 01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:21,360 into the South cobal shikan Lake and further south um the 857 01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:27,520 malahat um and um for each of these segments um land uses were evaluated 858 01:11:24,440 --> 01:11:34,360 based on zoning and official Community plans and uh SWAT uh analys was 859 01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:41,400 undertaken for each segment to uh evaluate um development restrictions the 860 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:45,800 availability of land for development um obviously the denif densification 861 01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:50,199 opportunities in these areas to accommodate increased population an 862 01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:55,520 important part of the land use assessment was uh undertaking a 863 01:11:52,679 --> 01:12:00,840 population protection um specifically Al based on the recent Transit Orient 864 01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:07,400 oriented area legislation higher densities um in catchment areas to 865 01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:12,360 identify population uh densities that can be be accommodated and really that 866 01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:21,239 methodology without going into the details just focused in um looking at um 867 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:25,679 uh station areas and then looking at uh populations that were within walking 868 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:31,280 distance of stations and then in areas further from stations 869 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:36,719 populations that would um use private vehicle to access stations um and 870 01:12:34,199 --> 01:12:41,719 population growth projections um that were used in this exercise were uh the 871 01:12:39,719 --> 01:12:45,400 projections for 2041 uh next slide 872 01:12:45,679 --> 01:12:54,480 please so briefly uh from a land use perspective the summary of findings 873 01:12:51,159 --> 01:13:00,600 really um relate to the fact that the corridor Ms are distinct but they also 874 01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:07,320 share similarities such as um Urban CES but um definitely rural residential 875 01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:12,000 areas and then resource and agricultural uses Within These 876 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:18,000 segments the cbrd policy framework support uh creating acto Transportation 877 01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:23,080 networks um and using the rail Corridor for this network and policy Frameworks 878 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:28,239 also support the use of transit to encourage a mode shift away from from 879 01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:34,360 the car in other words using Transit as a catalyst for change um population 880 01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:40,880 projections Illustrated there is potential for population growth and 881 01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:47,120 therefore land use change um uh the result of accelerated growth 882 01:13:44,639 --> 01:13:51,840 in these areas is the fact that core areas uh especially in the urban areas 883 01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:57,679 along a corridor would certainly see significant densification over time as 884 01:13:54,600 --> 01:14:03,320 the de velopment of new housing units occurred next slide 885 01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:08,880 please if we go to the transportation assessment 886 01:14:05,639 --> 01:14:14,679 um uh again uh Transportation options were based on existing and future land 887 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:18,600 uses and a high level analysis was again undertaken from a transportation 888 01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:21,920 perspective in terms of their strengths weaknesses opportunities and threats in 889 01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:27,800 these areas and obviously in as Parton par of 890 01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:32,760 the exercise was to ensure excuse me that future use of the 891 01:14:30,639 --> 01:14:39,719 corridor needs to be aligned with the goals of the South Island Transportation 892 01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:43,000 strategy and that refers to improving um uh a connected and integrated 893 01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:48,040 Transportation Network and addressing travel demand uh promoting alternative 894 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:53,960 modes and obviously discouraging the use of private vehicles in essence three 895 01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:58,440 basic strategies were examined um for use of the corridor door and those 896 01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:04,159 relate to providing a trail only uh providing a rail only and then 897 01:15:01,719 --> 01:15:10,480 looking at the opportunities of providing Rail and Trail 898 01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:17,280 together um next slide please um as we mentioned earlier on um 899 01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:24,600 the development of a ter propensity model was uh was uh a very important 900 01:15:21,719 --> 01:15:28,679 component of this exercise due to the over helming interest in uh 901 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:33,280 transportation and specific specifically rail 902 01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:40,040 Transportation um and in essence transport the transit 903 01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:46,000 propensity model uh was just a model to assess to which extent population growth 904 01:15:42,679 --> 01:15:51,840 in the CBD could support a a future passenger rail service so um estimating 905 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:58,360 ridership to examine the viability of rail service in this regard um 906 01:15:55,960 --> 01:16:04,840 three population scenarios were considered for the catchment areas of uh 907 01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:11,239 rail service um and those were just looking at the existing cment population 908 01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:18,800 a second one looked at uh existing but projected growth population to 2024 909 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:26,920 2024 and then the third um option looked at growth based on the provincial 910 01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:26,920 Transit oriented areas buildout um 911 01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:37,920 and as I mentioned earlier St uh station catchment areas incorporate kind of two 912 01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:43,719 rings of areas the first ring is the uh the ring closest to the station which um 913 01:16:41,679 --> 01:16:47,960 reflects walking distance to stations and then the lar larger outside ring 914 01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:55,480 reflecting driving distance distances um to facilitate drop 915 01:16:51,760 --> 01:17:02,120 off at stations or parking at stations due to the uh proximity and overlap of 916 01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:08,239 existing stations or station locations in uh the cvrd stations were 917 01:17:04,679 --> 01:17:15,320 Consolidated into six locations only and then obviously assum assumptions had to 918 01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:21,159 be made um to use to estimate rail ridership uh in Dem in Peak Peak periods 919 01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:26,480 and off peak periods of the day as well as assumptions were used to calculate uh 920 01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:31,400 Service uh requirements to meet that travel demand and that was used to 921 01:17:28,719 --> 01:17:37,280 calculate the number of trips required and thus um the peak vehicle requirement 922 01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:44,840 in other words the number of changes required to to to deliver that 923 01:17:41,719 --> 01:17:52,040 service um next slide please so just with regards to the this 924 01:17:48,199 --> 01:17:55,480 little model and its assumptions it's um uh a couple that need to be just 925 01:17:53,760 --> 01:18:01,080 highlighted is first mostly that the rail line remains contiguous and is 926 01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:07,800 fully developed north and south of the cvd so it's not just a cvrd in 927 01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:13,920 isolation that trips rail trips reflect round trips over the length of the 928 01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:20,679 corridor so that would be um south from the CR uh cvrd uh into the capital 929 01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:25,560 regional district as well as into the comok Valley Regional District in the 930 01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:31,800 North to the Courtney station that the necessary infrastructure was in place to 931 01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:36,960 support uh access to rail um and that would include uh Transit service 932 01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:41,480 integration and the availability of Park and Ride facilities and Mobility hubs 933 01:18:39,719 --> 01:18:47,360 Etc at station locations and very importantly that um 934 01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:53,800 transportation connections overall are sufficient for users to reach final 935 01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:58,320 destinations in other words not to look at um 936 01:18:55,239 --> 01:19:04,560 uh a rail service in isolation but the connections to other services for Riders 937 01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:07,199 to be able to finalize and reach their final 938 01:19:05,679 --> 01:19:13,880 destinations um so this assessment really is a 939 01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:17,840 statement of the potential ridership and can be used as an input in in in a 940 01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:23,239 future business case and also a detailed Transportation 941 01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:28,600 analysis would be required to verify all these assumptions that have been made in 942 01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:34,080 the model um with regards to trip volumes uh and direction of service and 943 01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:39,679 destinations and so on the outcome of the model suggests 944 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:46,800 that the estimated population growth is sufficient to Warrant a viable service 945 01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:52,080 and that service was identified as being providing a peak uh service of 946 01:19:49,159 --> 01:19:56,520 approximately three trips an hour but just bear in mind that it uh as I 947 01:19:54,159 --> 01:20:02,880 mentioned earlier on this would this takes into account um not only um 948 01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:07,440 service and demand within the cvrd but the but the corridor as a whole so uh 949 01:20:05,239 --> 01:20:14,800 the other Regional districts that are adjacent to the cvd as well next slide 950 01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:21,600 please so requirements for adopting a long-term vision of the corridor um uh 951 01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:29,719 just need to be identified and just are listed below uh in terms of reserving a 952 01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:35,840 corridor in its entirety um um and to address the implications where there are 953 01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:41,560 locations where theity may be impacted um as I mentioned to update travel uh 954 01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:48,040 characteristics relating to travel demon and trip purpose uh identifying suitable 955 01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:55,960 uh rail technology to accommodate passenger and or Freight rail because um 956 01:20:51,760 --> 01:21:01,520 the requirements are um could be uh somewhat different um as far as Urban 957 01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:08,280 Development is concerned to identify and promote land for higher density use um 958 01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:12,639 confirming safety standards and service standards for again for passenger 959 01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:17,400 service versus rail Services because they are certainly different um as I 960 01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:23,520 mentioned before integrating rail service into an overall 961 01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:28,159 Transportation Network um so that would for example include 962 01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:33,000 uh connections to bus and Ferry services for passengers to complete their trips 963 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:39,400 to reach their end destinations obviously the updating of 964 01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:44,560 costs relating to Service uh uh transportation service rail service 965 01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:50,280 operations but also Transportation infrastructure as well as um Rolling 966 01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:55,159 Stock and then finally to establish a regional or provincial body 967 01:21:52,880 --> 01:22:02,560 to oversee the planning implement ation operation of such a 968 01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:08,920 service um next slide please so based on those assessments um we we identified 969 01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:14,920 Transportation options next slide please and they are listed in the following 970 01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:19,760 slide so really five options were identified as we've alluded to before a 971 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:24,719 rail only option which looks at preserving the corridor for the future 972 01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:30,400 introduction of rail a trail only op option which is converting the corridor 973 01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:37,440 to a multi-use trail for active modes in the short and or long term thirdly um a 974 01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:42,280 combination side by side if you like of rail and Trail so introducing Trail for 975 01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:46,960 active mode but enabling um future rail operations in 976 01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:55,560 the corridor um and the fifth option being 977 01:22:50,639 --> 01:23:01,320 um other uses or no rail or Trail um which really refer to the reversion 978 01:22:58,639 --> 01:23:08,520 of land and this considers the remediation of bisected Reserve 979 01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:14,920 lands um a final not option really but a final consideration 980 01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:20,679 um uh which should be noted and um and and and discussed as well is looking at 981 01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:26,600 um the potential of Al providing alternative roots for emergency services 982 01:23:23,159 --> 01:23:31,400 which was evident in the m area so the assessment of these options 983 01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:37,679 examined the issues risks and the estimated costs and in the following 984 01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:43,639 slides we will just highlight um uh the high level findings and the cost so 985 01:23:39,719 --> 01:23:43,639 first of all next slide please 986 01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:54,440 s there we go so first option rail only um obviously a continuous rail Corridor 987 01:23:51,360 --> 01:24:02,719 is required to provide the service um it should just be noted again that within 988 01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:10,199 the cvrd 4.8 km of the corridor um uh runs in reserve lands 989 01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:17,320 um and uh a high level analysis of uh reigning rail Corridor around these res 990 01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:23,320 uh to bypass the reserves um was identified as being challenging due to 991 01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:28,679 Long diversions um high costs which make include could include tunneling the 992 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:33,080 requirement for new Bridges and challenging Urban environments 993 01:24:30,639 --> 01:24:41,480 especially in developed areas such as Downtown Duncan um so really um uh in 994 01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:47,719 essence rail alignments around Reserve lands is not really considered feasible 995 01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:53,000 at this point um and therefore without access or agreements with First Nations 996 01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:57,760 a rail Corridor or a rail service within the corridor becomes 997 01:24:55,239 --> 01:25:03,320 unfeasible um with next slide please with regards to rail costs let's first 998 01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:09,520 look at Capital Capital costs are imp uh are impacted by uh infrastructure 999 01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:16,880 specifications in terms of the rail line itself um technical details are provided 1000 01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:22,280 in uh our report um as well as what is included and excluded such as um Rolling 1001 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:30,320 Stock Does it include a commuter service versus an intert uh inter service City 1002 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:38,119 inter city service I be p as well as some of the the cost um uh um 1003 01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:43,800 estimations included uh the parks so to Port Al Bernie section as well so this 1004 01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:50,760 graph just shows in blue um how the cost for from different studies varied 1005 01:25:47,679 --> 01:25:56,960 um uh and so if one looks at the cost per kilometer uh which is shown in red 1006 01:25:53,880 --> 01:26:02,360 one could see it varies all the way from 1.5 um uh 1007 01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:08,800 1.5 to 4.1 as a cost per 1008 01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:14,480 kilometer um in millions um and these are estimated from various studies and 1009 01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:21,280 the final column shows uh the estimate that was made for this um study the uh 1010 01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:26,800 cvd and it's a the high it's a high level estimate for for specifically for 1011 01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:31,840 commu terrain so we are capital cost is just in the or just 1012 01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:37,400 below a billion dollars um for the 1013 01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:42,760 cvd um if we move on to the next slide please that shows uh a little bit of 1014 01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:48,199 information on uh once the once a rail line is established obviously uh 1015 01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:54,280 operating cost and uh is incurred as well so this graph shows in blue shows 1016 01:26:51,360 --> 01:27:02,440 the revenue from fairs and a a revenue of $15 per um per per ride is 1017 01:26:59,159 --> 01:27:07,760 assumed the red bars show the operating cost for the different levels of service 1018 01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:13,040 uh based on population for the three scenarios that were undertaken and then 1019 01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:19,840 the yellow shows the shortfall and that really is the subsidy that's required to 1020 01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:25,280 cover the uh difference um uh in in in the in the revenue and the 1021 01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:30,960 cost and obviously oper cost depends on service provision such as the 1022 01:27:27,119 --> 01:27:37,840 frequencies and the extent of um uh the service and the times of operation and 1023 01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:45,520 so on but it does show that um uh that uh uh beyond the capital cost there is a 1024 01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:52,040 annual uh additional cost uh despite the income of through fars um to cover the 1025 01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:55,920 shortfall between operating cost and um fair fair generation 1026 01:27:56,719 --> 01:28:05,520 um next slide please um the next option looked at Trail only and again the 1027 01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:12,600 capital cost for this was estimated at 55 million and this was based on uh 1028 01:28:09,239 --> 01:28:19,280 approximately at 25 as 25% uh asphal surfacing of the corridor 1029 01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:24,679 uh of the total length but that also then included in uh the vertical uh 1030 01:28:22,119 --> 01:28:32,440 raising the vertical elevation for two Bridges um for 16 Bridges um uh railing 1031 01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:38,080 and decking improvements and falling uh Rock mitigations in the malat area and 1032 01:28:35,480 --> 01:28:43,840 again uh Beyond Capital cost there is a maintenance cost fortunately a low 1033 01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:52,760 number but estimated at three of uh 3 million per year um with regards to soil 1034 01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:58,080 Remediation in this option of Trail only um no soil remed mediation is required 1035 01:28:55,480 --> 01:29:06,280 if the rail is if the trail is built on the existing rail bed um if for uh 1036 01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:11,199 whichever reason um remediation of the corridor within the 1037 01:29:08,119 --> 01:29:19,520 cvrd uh would be required that cost would vary uh quite significantly 1038 01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:24,480 between 76 and 255 million depending on um the low or high estimate of 1039 01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:30,440 remediation and then obviously as we mentioned earlier on land use 1040 01:29:27,119 --> 01:29:37,520 designation remediation of cvrd Reserve lands however is uh pegged at between 9 1041 01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:45,199 and 15 million so that would be the 4.8 kilm of um Reserve Land that are 1042 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:51,760 impacted within the cvd area next slide please third option uh looked at Rail 1043 01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:56,639 and Trail uh the the construction cost for this option is higher than Trail 1044 01:29:54,080 --> 01:30:01,400 only because the railway remains officially active and it requires 1045 01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:06,119 maintenance of tracks and trestles the provision as the picture shows of a 1046 01:30:03,639 --> 01:30:11,239 safety fence between the rail alignment and the trail and obviously safety 1047 01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:19,400 improvements at rail crossings to meet um transport can standards 1048 01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:24,920 um and then um it should also be noted when rail service is introduced that uh 1049 01:30:22,199 --> 01:30:31,480 Crossings uh would have to be addressed in terms of improving uh Crossings for 1050 01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:39,159 active modes uh and that's that's roughly at 16 Crossings in in in the 1051 01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:46,480 area um the trail cost uh in uh was based uh in in this option was based on 1052 01:30:42,119 --> 01:30:52,040 the cost incurred in uh the enn trail in Victoria Langford uh which was at 2.1 1053 01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:58,679 million per kilometer which is significantly more than the .6 million 1054 01:30:55,480 --> 01:31:05,159 per kilometer for the trail only option the cvd cost for Rail and Trail would be 1055 01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:12,119 in the order of 129 million so next slide please um in the 1056 01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:19,639 interest of time is just a summary of the four options um uh that we have 1057 01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:25,159 spoken about um just showing what uh what they are and then showing when they 1058 01:31:22,119 --> 01:31:30,040 are implemented as specifically with regards to rail and Trail and then um in 1059 01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:35,080 the in the case of rail and Trail together but just a summary slide which 1060 01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:39,520 is part of um I believe your handout um next slide 1061 01:31:41,159 --> 01:31:49,679 please as we mentioned earlier on emergency access uh um and specifically 1062 01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:56,080 alternative rooting for emergency services not re uh an option per se but 1063 01:31:52,840 --> 01:32:00,199 a consideration for the various segments as we mentioned malahat is often 1064 01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:05,719 congested and suffers from accidents and closures and delays um there certainly 1065 01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:12,679 are limited traffic alternatives to the Mal hat and in fact the mot did 1066 01:32:09,679 --> 01:32:20,040 undertake a study a couple of years ago to consider root Alternatives which are 1067 01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:25,880 depicted um in this uh diagram um and the Alternatives excluded the RO 1068 01:32:22,119 --> 01:32:32,679 Corridor um these Alternatives were identified but not pursued any further 1069 01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:32,679 so just um a note on 1070 01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:44,000 that um so if uh next slide please so just a summary of the options assessment 1071 01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:48,880 uh just to bring this all together um is first of all in the Rail options first 1072 01:32:46,199 --> 01:32:54,679 we would require um an agreement with First Nations to access the RO Corridor 1073 01:32:52,600 --> 01:33:00,520 um and there specific Pacific Reserve lands 4.8 km to in order to provide a 1074 01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:07,360 continuous Corridor um and uh a rail only option would 1075 01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:13,560 obviously um preclude uh potential emergency access to alternatives on the 1076 01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:19,639 Malad trail trail only option obviously precludes rail in the future 1077 01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:25,800 and the cost assume that construction won't require soil 1078 01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:31,400 remediation um in the case of Trail only if it weren't a continuous route that 1079 01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:37,320 could be overcome by diversion onto thejason Street 1080 01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:44,520 Network for Rail and Trail this is the highest cop uh option um in terms of uh 1081 01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:50,080 Trail provision due to the requirement of the trail adjacent to the rail line 1082 01:33:47,639 --> 01:33:54,600 um preserving the opportunity for future rail when when a business case can be 1083 01:33:52,040 --> 01:34:00,119 made and funding can be secured and then finally other uses or land 1084 01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:05,400 rsion that means in essence means a change in the land use and the soiled 1085 01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:12,719 mediation costs for Reserve lands in the cvrd 1086 01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:20,639 um so that really is a summary of um what what what our uh um options 1087 01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:24,679 assessment um uh provided us so if we move on in conclusion 1088 01:34:24,719 --> 01:34:31,719 bringing this all together the next steps um really uh for this project as a 1089 01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:37,239 whole can be summarized in the following Four Points um first of all to review 1090 01:34:35,159 --> 01:34:41,639 the interest in the potential of uh reestablishing the rail service 1091 01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:47,159 obviously in the longer term and in collaboration with land owners um 1092 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:51,280 reviewing the feasibility of expanding the trail Network to accommodate active 1093 01:34:49,719 --> 01:34:56,840 modes in the short term undertaking transportation study to 1094 01:34:54,960 --> 01:35:03,320 look at the provision of alternative loots um to Highway one for emergency 1095 01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:11,360 services Services particularly in the Maad section and um finally engaging in 1096 01:35:08,199 --> 01:35:17,239 uh ongoing an additional collaboration to arrive at an overall shared Vision 1097 01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:24,040 that is supported by all that brings me to the end of uh my presentation thank 1098 01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:24,040 you 1099 01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:28,960 thanks everyone for your patience read the number of 1100 01:35:29,480 --> 01:35:36,719 slides great thank you for the for the presentations I have a request um to 1101 01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:40,760 take a five minute break for the the board before we jump into questions if 1102 01:35:38,679 --> 01:35:45,280 that works for everyone all right so we'll um resume 1103 01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:49,360 the meeting at uh I've never been above 1104 01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:55,880 160 this is the heaviest as long as I feel good 1105 01:35:57,679 --> 01:36:08,239 running how are they spicy nice none of my clothes are though 1106 01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:41,239 all right we'll now resume our committee the whole whole meeting and we're at uh 1107 01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:46,000 questions for our presenters with regards to the Island Rail Corridor 1108 01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:52,119 visioning exercise so I'm going to turn first to uh director 1109 01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:56,360 Wilson thank you chair yeah and um I I've got to say um I 1110 01:36:55,119 --> 01:37:00,239 sorry director WS can you press the button again I'm having a bit of trouble 1111 01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:05,480 here apologies there continue there we go I got to stop doing that okay thank 1112 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:10,000 you very much um I Love Trains I think they're brilliant um and I would love to 1113 01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:14,840 be able to to bring something like this back again I mean my my kids and my 1114 01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:18,360 grandkids don't believe that growing up I traveled on steam trains diesel trains 1115 01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:23,119 and all the rest of it just to get backwards and forwards but on a local 1116 01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:28,880 level I have traveled before it was shut down on this particular one from uh all 1117 01:37:26,199 --> 01:37:34,920 the way from Sheamus to to um to Victoria and it really is the most 1118 01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:41,119 amazing trip um that I've ever taken it was beautiful and and I would hate to 1119 01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:48,199 see it disappear but when I look at the costs it more than a sharp intake of of 1120 01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:53,960 breath here um and I but I would like to bring it back again I do believe it is 1121 01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:59,679 the future because previous experience in the UK before we came to Canada a lot 1122 01:37:56,760 --> 01:38:05,760 of the branch lines were shut down uh in order to um save costs and yet 10 or 15 1123 01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:11,520 years later they had to bring them back again because of their usefulness I 1124 01:38:09,679 --> 01:38:17,520 would love to see this brought back again uh so the question is on terms on 1125 01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:21,880 terms of costs how is that going to be financed and what impact would that have 1126 01:38:20,119 --> 01:38:27,400 for instance on the cvrd um on our taxpayers or having to go 1127 01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:32,480 to short-term borrowing there has to be an impact is there any study on that 1128 01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:32,480 particular one thank 1129 01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:37,080 you s you want to take this 1130 01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:46,840 one thanks very much for the question I guess I should pass this to youran 1131 01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:52,199 please thanks um thank you for the question Vaga question um because that 1132 01:38:49,159 --> 01:38:56,719 is always um when one goes through these exercises 1133 01:38:53,920 --> 01:39:03,639 um that final question that has to be resolved to answer your question um no 1134 01:39:00,719 --> 01:39:09,119 no study has been undertaken as to how this would be funded and obviously that 1135 01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:14,560 would have that is an exercise in itself because I think the important part of 1136 01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:21,360 this is to say okay um if one were to implement something like this um who are 1137 01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:28,239 all the funding Partners obviously uh provincial government local government 1138 01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:33,320 uh federal government and uh the the the CBD as well and I think it's an 1139 01:39:30,440 --> 01:39:41,360 important question to have an answer uh to pass on to residents of the cvrd so 1140 01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:49,639 that uh they are aware of of what that cost implication would be for 1141 01:39:44,719 --> 01:39:54,199 them course yeah if I could um follow up yeah and and this is one of the most 1142 01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:57,960 important ones it it don't get me wrong we need something like this there's no 1143 01:39:55,760 --> 01:40:02,719 two ways about it but I would much rather know or even 1144 01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:07,080 have a very rough figure of what it's going to cost me before any more Studies 1145 01:40:04,639 --> 01:40:11,480 have been going on the reason here is that the studies have been going on how 1146 01:40:09,639 --> 01:40:17,440 long 5 10 years or something like that and we're still no further forward let's 1147 01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:22,840 get some numbers if we can please thank you next I have uh director 1148 01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:29,119 mcgonagal thank you first of all thank you very much for a very wholesome 1149 01:40:26,679 --> 01:40:33,639 presentation uh I think we all accept the value of the island Corridor not 1150 01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:39,599 only within our regional district but up and down uh the corridor line I I look 1151 01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:44,280 historically at the branch line to the West couchin area and the way it was 1152 01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:51,400 utilized industrially and how it has transformed into a Transportation uh an 1153 01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:56,840 alternative transportation Hub currently which has engaged in tourism 1154 01:40:54,440 --> 01:41:02,719 opportunities economic opportunities in the west cchan area so I do see the 1155 01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:07,080 value in in rail to Trail but also looking back historically at the 1156 01:41:04,679 --> 01:41:13,199 adjacent lands for instance that were accommodated within the propriety of 1157 01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:19,040 providing rail service how quickly that Island Corridor would be reinitiated 1158 01:41:15,719 --> 01:41:23,800 should those lands be reinstated into other options that's just a comment uh 1159 01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:30,679 for a question not uh perhaps to you but perhaps to our 1160 01:41:27,199 --> 01:41:37,119 staff you mentioned uh subsidies within your report of per ridership I believe 1161 01:41:33,639 --> 01:41:41,360 it was a $6 negative subsidy it would be interesting to see the comparative 1162 01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:47,280 between what is currently subsidized in ridership in transit as toose opposed to 1163 01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:54,080 those projections just so that we had an idea of of how that could be implicated 1164 01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:58,199 within budget discussions we know that any service that we to provide whether 1165 01:41:56,080 --> 01:42:04,599 it be Recreation whether it be Transportation Transit are slightly 1166 01:42:01,639 --> 01:42:09,360 subsidized uh by by taxation so it would be interesting to know the comparatives 1167 01:42:06,440 --> 01:42:09,360 in that thank you very 1168 01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:13,880 much so Lee would you like to respond to 1169 01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:25,159 that okay par me did you ask me I think the question was more to to staff yes 1170 01:42:26,199 --> 01:42:30,880 yeah director mical indicated he can also follow up 1171 01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:39,920 offline it's noted okay I'll move on to the next speaker uh director 1172 01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:48,760 Morrison thank you chair um so I want to to thank stantech and and modus a very 1173 01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:55,719 thorough report uh I got to be noted on time and on budget so that's pretty 1174 01:42:51,280 --> 01:43:02,920 exciting and uh I I'm just thrilled that uh our staff and and and our Consultants 1175 01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:08,159 were able to actually do the work uh quite successfully within the original 1176 01:43:05,719 --> 01:43:14,119 time frame that the province wanted the work done and uh so we're actually done 1177 01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:18,920 leaders of the pack and the other organizations that uh must be doing that 1178 01:43:16,639 --> 01:43:24,400 work well I I think Al Bernie clat is is very close to to completion as well so 1179 01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:30,360 uh good on them as well uh I I have to say I'm I'm an internal Optimist when it 1180 01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:35,199 comes to the you know what a huge asset this is and and I I just think of you 1181 01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:39,920 know in regards to what director Wilson had just said um I wasn't it just this 1182 01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:43,920 week that the federal government announced that they're going to do 1183 01:43:41,440 --> 01:43:49,000 high-speed rail from Quebec City to Toronto and and they don't have like the 1184 01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:54,280 lands and and they don't have the Assembly of what's required they have 1185 01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:59,199 some of it um huge multi billion doll project for that area yes they've got 1186 01:43:56,320 --> 01:44:04,480 the population uh different scenario but you know I think what what we're facing 1187 01:44:01,639 --> 01:44:09,719 with the island Corridor in this area is is almost as complex as cbrd budgeting 1188 01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:14,880 it's it's a really there's so many variables in this but being that 1189 01:44:12,239 --> 01:44:20,239 internal Optimist you know the question was asked how much is this going to cost 1190 01:44:18,480 --> 01:44:24,840 and we had somebody stand up during public input and say when I hear the 1191 01:44:22,679 --> 01:44:32,159 word expensive in a report I want to challenge it and and I I too think of 1192 01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:36,199 that what is the cost to not do some of these things that are are suggested in 1193 01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:42,639 the report whether it's reestablishment of rail or Rail and Trail and the likes 1194 01:44:38,679 --> 01:44:46,599 and and why I'm an optimist is that you know you just look back as to what 1195 01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:51,960 happened with Sky Train when when that was announced people were selling their 1196 01:44:49,639 --> 01:44:56,360 properties near potential Sky train stations for you know you know Pennies 1197 01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:59,960 on the dollars and the developers came along bought them up now there's 1198 01:44:57,960 --> 01:45:04,960 highrises all the way around all all around the the sky train stations and 1199 01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:09,320 there's been huge economic and social Improvement in those areas as a result 1200 01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:15,320 of a transportation and Logistics Improvement and I see that potential for 1201 01:45:12,639 --> 01:45:20,320 the island Corridor whether it's it's aiding and food security you know we 1202 01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:26,480 grow stuff in this region we should be able to consolidate process and ship it 1203 01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:30,639 off to other areas and if we're looking at the future and high cost of 1204 01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:36,040 Transportation rails got to be part of that equation at least from where I sit 1205 01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:42,159 um I I know that our friends in alurn kwat are feeling really fortunate that 1206 01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:47,400 they've got that rail line there and that they can they can look to the 1207 01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:52,560 Future for deep sea port activities and the and the tourism potential that with 1208 01:45:49,719 --> 01:45:56,639 their train that they have there so I'll I'll 1209 01:45:53,480 --> 01:46:01,239 pretty much I'll stop there and say that you know whether whether we go to 1210 01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:07,440 residential development along the the the corridor or light industrial 1211 01:46:03,480 --> 01:46:13,360 industrial there's huge potential in a Consolidated and maintained Corridor and 1212 01:46:11,199 --> 01:46:17,520 uh I I hope that we can move in that direction at some point but I think this 1213 01:46:15,639 --> 01:46:21,639 this report is a great Foundation leaves us some more questions to ask but I I 1214 01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:27,599 want to thank the consultants and our staff for doing such a fine job thank 1215 01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:32,239 you I next have uh director Duncan uh thank you yeah and thank you 1216 01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:37,520 for the report in the past I was uh the city of Duncan representative to the ICF 1217 01:46:35,239 --> 01:46:43,159 uh consultations and one of the things I noticed in the report was rail crossings 1218 01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:47,840 and that sort of twigged on to my memory uh in the past that there there was 1219 01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:52,199 approximately 200 rail crossings and the cost to upgrade each one was about 1220 01:46:50,119 --> 01:46:57,360 200,000 I didn't see any sort of numbers around that in this report so can you 1221 01:46:54,920 --> 01:47:04,239 confirm how many rail crossings there are and who's actually responsible to 1222 01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:04,239 pay for the upgrade of those is it each 1223 01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:14,920 municipality Yan maybe I can help answer this question as a rail yes so a lot of 1224 01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:19,320 these rail crossings are existing I don't have the actual count uh on my 1225 01:47:17,480 --> 01:47:23,639 head of course we have listed that in our uh first presentation and also uh R 1226 01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:30,320 report and those costs were already covered in 1227 01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:35,920 the W speed report in 2020 and as a part of the upgrade cost which were separated 1228 01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:39,760 out into three different phases uh initial phase intermediate and ultimate 1229 01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:46,000 phase all of these costs were accommodated of course the cost that wsp 1230 01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:51,719 prepared in 2020 uh was 5 years old of course we try to you know scale them up 1231 01:47:48,440 --> 01:47:57,599 and uh come up with more accurate estimate but a lot of those Crossings if 1232 01:47:54,480 --> 01:48:02,239 we just explore them on googlers they already have active warning system which 1233 01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:07,239 means flashing lights bells and some of them they have Gates as well like a lot 1234 01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:12,560 of them are already fully equipped but uh when I was talking to ICF uh some of 1235 01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:16,840 them were not fully in service due to like uh protection protecting the asset 1236 01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:21,119 so there's going to be some cost for having them activated and as you guys 1237 01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:27,199 are fully aware uh Transport Canada guideline and Transport Canada bre 1238 01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:32,080 ulations are in effect Since U uh 2014 and uh there's a lot of existing 1239 01:48:29,199 --> 01:48:37,520 agreement between Railway Authority and the municipality on the cost sharing uh 1240 01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:43,480 on maintenance fees so a lot of them are existing they need to be assessed and uh 1241 01:48:41,639 --> 01:48:48,199 there's a full report I believe completed by Bonds on Crossing 1242 01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:54,159 assessment and cost available as well but the costs have to be scaled by I 1243 01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:54,159 hope that answered the question 1244 01:48:55,040 --> 01:49:02,639 I follow up director Duncan no do I push all right okay I'll move on now to 1245 01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:02,639 director 1246 01:49:05,639 --> 01:49:09,239 Nicholson press one more 1247 01:49:10,480 --> 01:49:18,199 time okay go for it thank you thank you for the report 1248 01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:24,119 um yeah like I've been waiting for to be able to commute to Victoria 1249 01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:30,159 for my whole career 40 years and then the last at least for the last 1250 01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:36,719 20 the the corridor has not been used for anything and so I try and walk along 1251 01:49:33,199 --> 01:49:41,679 it but I fall into holes and it's fairly dangerous so I'm thinking about 1252 01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:46,760 timelines here and I recognize when I read this report that really this is a 1253 01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:52,920 lot to do with First Nations so we don't have a um so we will be waiting for a 1254 01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:58,560 while while that whole situation get sorted out one way or the 1255 01:49:54,679 --> 01:50:03,880 other and so I guess what I'm wondering um in several replaces the 1256 01:50:01,599 --> 01:50:08,199 report states that lifting the rail and putting a trail on the rail bed would 1257 01:50:06,119 --> 01:50:15,800 preclude the return of rail in the future so I thought perhaps an option 1258 01:50:11,440 --> 01:50:19,679 might have been that um you do a a trail beside the rail a rail trail beside the 1259 01:50:17,719 --> 01:50:23,880 rail where you could and then use the trail the rail when you can't do that 1260 01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:28,719 for for example through bright angel Park You couldn't possibly have a a 1261 01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:34,119 trail beside the rail there as as an interm thing which led me to think about 1262 01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:37,440 well what is what is what kind of a a time frame are we talking about and I 1263 01:50:35,719 --> 01:50:42,360 found the report a little bit unclear on that front so you talk about short to 1264 01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:49,840 medium um and I'm wondering what short to medium means is that 10 to 15 50 1265 01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:54,159 years or like another two two working Generations or how much is that 1266 01:50:57,079 --> 01:51:03,280 s thanks very much for the question truly appreciate it I I should pass this 1267 01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:09,840 to your hand please um it's it's difficult to 1268 01:51:06,159 --> 01:51:15,320 actually um determine exactly what is short medium and long term in in in in 1269 01:51:12,199 --> 01:51:20,880 the sense of this report um the long term as far as this report is concerned 1270 01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:26,199 is some point in the future when a rail line uh potentially can be uh 1271 01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:33,480 reinstituted so um uh shortterm and medium term be 1272 01:51:30,599 --> 01:51:41,599 derivatives of that in terms of perhaps being shortterm within the next 10 uh 1273 01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:46,719 roughly 10 to 15 years maybe and the medium term beyond that I think at this 1274 01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:53,239 point that's probably the closest we can get to uh defining those uh uh time 1275 01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:58,880 periods thanks youran I can also add on top of that as an engineer that you know 1276 01:51:56,119 --> 01:52:03,480 to have a good estimate we have to have a design and of course on the design we 1277 01:52:01,719 --> 01:52:07,480 usually have the first phase which is conceptual feasibility study we're going 1278 01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:12,760 to have like at least horizontal alignment and we can have like let's say 1279 01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:16,040 class D cost estimate and then we can definitely spend more time do a detailed 1280 01:52:14,599 --> 01:52:22,280 design and come up with accurate timeline and cost estimate so in order 1281 01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:28,159 to have a very robust uh not even highly robust B just just a very kind of 1282 01:52:24,719 --> 01:52:32,639 reliable time Horizon a conceptual design drawing across the corridor is 1283 01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:39,960 required I hope that answerers the question thank you follow up thank you 1284 01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:45,679 well I guess I I mean I just from my perspective it the question is really 1285 01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:51,239 about um are we prepared to wait another 50 years for potentially rail to happen 1286 01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:56,119 or could we make the the the corridor a little bit more useful than it is right 1287 01:52:52,800 --> 01:53:00,480 now um yeah right I'll now move on to director 1288 01:52:59,079 --> 01:53:06,159 mclinton thank you chair um a few comments before 1289 01:53:03,639 --> 01:53:11,520 my question um yeah if I had a magic wand I'd 1290 01:53:07,679 --> 01:53:17,079 probably like to see rail uh put in I think it offers the most options for the 1291 01:53:13,719 --> 01:53:22,639 most amount of people um you know somebody that drove from Victoria to 1292 01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:27,320 coox for work in my early 30s that uh yeah I think there' be a big benefit 1293 01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:34,960 there but I was listening to the report you know I just was struck by 1294 01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:40,920 first just visually seeing the our Colonial history of I forget the number 1295 01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:46,679 maybe three or four Indian reserves where we cut through the the land and 1296 01:53:43,440 --> 01:53:52,920 just uh just a quick personal anecdote my my son his his grandmother is a 1297 01:53:49,480 --> 01:54:00,280 jibway and his grandfather is the rer AR chief of the quaca band alert Bay and 1298 01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:06,960 the jju nation has tremendous treaty rights um and quaca they're in stage 1299 01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:14,320 four and the the the jux the position just couldn't be more hu bigger and and 1300 01:54:11,320 --> 01:54:18,960 you know so he obviously he when he had the option that's when he took his 1301 01:54:16,159 --> 01:54:24,920 status that's he went with the jibway and you know we see I think it was said 1302 01:54:22,199 --> 01:54:31,800 I the full report there's two Nations or sorry two reserves that that don't they 1303 01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:36,760 want their land back and so I mean we're pontificating about what we 1304 01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:40,880 want to do with this Corridor I mean perhaps there's a section from Victoria 1305 01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:45,960 to shaigan or something along those lines but I mean the recommendation that 1306 01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:51,520 we proceede I mean I guess this gets to my question um I mean without the 1307 01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:58,199 province sitting at the table either coming up with comp ation or 1308 01:54:54,000 --> 01:55:03,880 rerouting um you know unless they weren't 100% clear that they want their 1309 01:55:00,840 --> 01:55:10,679 land back I mean how can we possibly proceed with anything I mean it's I I 1310 01:55:07,679 --> 01:55:15,119 just I I had a hard time listening after I heard that there's there's sort of two 1311 01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:18,480 Nations or two reserves for sure and then I I wasn't quite sure where we 1312 01:55:16,719 --> 01:55:22,880 landed with the stanus and the lady Smith where they just got the the land 1313 01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:31,000 transfer for the harbor so anyways my question is 1314 01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:35,480 um what is your understanding of those two Parcels of land or three I for 1315 01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:43,239 whatever it is that cut through the the Indian reserves um and and then how can 1316 01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:47,280 we you know how can we possibly move forward lindsy do you want to take this 1317 01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:58,040 one thank you for the question um so coin tribes is has bisected Reserve 1318 01:55:55,199 --> 01:56:02,880 lands in two areas and cin your right has been clear that they would like 1319 01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:05,639 those Reserve lands returned and that they do not want to have a 1320 01:56:03,960 --> 01:56:14,520 transportation use in the future in that area we looked at whether or not there 1321 01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:21,000 could be rerouting can you go below over around I mean we Transportation routes 1322 01:56:18,239 --> 01:56:27,360 can be rerouted again it comes back to cost 1323 01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:31,239 um Halal is the other nation that has bisected Reserve lands and would like 1324 01:56:30,079 --> 01:56:36,560 the land returned they were not 1325 01:56:34,119 --> 01:56:41,560 as decided when it comes to the potential future use they were 1326 01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:46,000 interested in options and in the same way that a rail would impact their 1327 01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:50,920 Reserve by going through it for safety and other reasons they have the highway 1328 01:56:49,079 --> 01:56:56,320 passing through it and causing other issues of its own as a result of the 1329 01:56:53,119 --> 01:57:02,520 truck traffic so they're interested in understanding potential Transportation 1330 01:56:59,079 --> 01:57:07,239 options um in terms of CCH and tribes we only know what they've shared 1331 01:57:04,599 --> 01:57:11,199 with us and and I can't really comment on whether or not they might change 1332 01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:15,040 their position at some point in the future but that's what we understand 1333 01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:27,599 today hook me up thanks chair um you 1334 01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:34,079 know yeah this is this is It's a challenging situation um 1335 01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:38,679 until in my so first I just want to say and this is with all due respect to to 1336 01:57:35,960 --> 01:57:44,320 director Nicholson um but they you me waiting 40 years for rail I I mean these 1337 01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:52,599 folks on the in new Reserve been waiting you know Generations right and I mean 1338 01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:59,360 until I hear that they're open into communication or that we have a tangible 1339 01:57:55,520 --> 01:58:04,119 way to re-root this rail I mean or or there's some way that is going to 1340 01:58:02,079 --> 01:58:07,639 accommodate this I have a I have a I'm very uncomfortable moving forward with 1341 01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:12,440 these sorts of conversations I think it undermines their 1342 01:58:10,079 --> 01:58:17,480 treaties doesn't undermine I I think it's disrespectful and I think that 1343 01:58:15,239 --> 01:58:20,119 those that needs to be resolved first and foremost before we have a 1344 01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:25,040 conversation about Crossings 1345 01:58:22,639 --> 01:58:31,079 Trail whatever it might be so anyways that's a comment not a 1346 01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:36,679 question director mcki thank you uh so I I think I'm most closely 1347 01:58:34,679 --> 01:58:42,920 sort of jumping off the point that uh director Nicholson was making 1348 01:58:40,639 --> 01:58:47,480 um and without coming right out and saying I 1349 01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:51,639 don't necessarily support rail I'm going to ask a 1350 01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:56,880 question um cuz I don't know if I supported or not but in the meantime as 1351 01:58:53,599 --> 01:59:00,280 we're waiting to sort out funding as we're waiting to sort out the Reserve 1352 01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:06,199 Land question as we're waiting to find out if 1353 01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:11,040 north and south of Us wish to C on board and make it Contin contiguous as we've 1354 01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:16,719 already learned it's not any use to us if it's not contiguous through as far as 1355 01:59:13,400 --> 01:59:22,960 it can go and make it useful it's lots of it it's about Victoria as we're 1356 01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:28,960 waiting for all of that maybe 50 years there must be chunks of rail in 1357 01:59:25,679 --> 01:59:34,159 existence with sufficient distance that don't involve any critical 1358 01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:40,440 infrastructure that don't involve any expensive repair that we could 1359 01:59:37,400 --> 01:59:47,840 certainly investigate throwing down some good gravel and creating a cap on it for 1360 01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:53,560 it to be used as active transportation in the meantime I'm not talking about a 1361 01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:59,560 30 m chunk of it I'm talking about substantial lengths of trail that could 1362 01:59:56,480 --> 02:00:05,480 be used over the next 50 years we don't even have to pull them up we could just 1363 02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:10,760 cap it and use it in the meantime as the rest of this stuff is being sorted 1364 02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:17,159 out I feel like we are doing ourselves a disservice and I don't buy the fact that 1365 02:00:12,520 --> 02:00:22,960 we can't use it for trail as we wait can we make better use of this 1366 02:00:20,199 --> 02:00:29,000 active trans active trans transportation is a critical part of the 1367 02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:34,079 what the work we're trying to do in our communities let's address that in the 1368 02:00:31,480 --> 02:00:41,079 next 50 years as we're waiting for rail thank 1369 02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:41,079 you I'm going to turn to our CEO 1370 02:00:48,440 --> 02:00:59,639 We There You Go takes a second thank you um I just wanted to uh go back to the 1371 02:00:53,960 --> 02:01:06,040 the previous comments about the um uh land reversion process and just remind 1372 02:01:02,599 --> 02:01:10,840 the um the committee that uh this board has uh 1373 02:01:07,320 --> 02:01:16,599 supported um in a resolution uh to support the land reversion process as 1374 02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:20,560 did the ICF board um and so we also received Direction recently from from 1375 02:01:18,639 --> 02:01:24,239 this board to write a letter to the provincial government which we're 1376 02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:27,639 working on at the moment to um continue to support the ICF to facilitate the 1377 02:01:26,159 --> 02:01:32,119 knitting together of the shared visioning work because arguably we've 1378 02:01:30,239 --> 02:01:35,239 just looked at the boundaries of of this Regional District and and been 1379 02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:40,040 communicating with the Nations within this Regional District but the corridor 1380 02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:44,480 is a contiguous piece of land that um needs coordination amongst Regional 1381 02:01:42,159 --> 02:01:48,719 districts on the island and that uh that letter that advocacy letter is going to 1382 02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:52,719 request resources to support that continued work uh we just have a role to 1383 02:01:51,239 --> 02:01:55,840 play in it but it needs to be facilitated so I just wanted to remind 1384 02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:58,880 that that there's a lot more conversation to come and there's a lot 1385 02:01:57,239 --> 02:02:05,400 more work as well and it and it and it won't be uh a quick project it will go 1386 02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:05,400 on for a very long time 1387 02:02:05,960 --> 02:02:09,360 yeah director 1388 02:02:09,920 --> 02:02:13,639 Calo don't touch 1389 02:02:15,079 --> 02:02:18,599 it a thank 1390 02:02:19,560 --> 02:02:26,159 you um I'm just going to say it's a great report and when I was reading this 1391 02:02:23,199 --> 02:02:30,880 at home on my computer uh I I actually quite enjoyed it and you know traveling 1392 02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:36,199 in Europe and even some parts of the United States using the rail systems 1393 02:02:32,639 --> 02:02:40,040 down there I mean we could take a uh a a good page out of their book I mean 1394 02:02:38,159 --> 02:02:47,520 traveling around Europe is just so easy to uh in England even in England um they 1395 02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:52,119 uh have a great rail system there and it just it just takes so many people off of 1396 02:02:50,440 --> 02:02:57,040 the road there's just so many people over there so many off the road and you 1397 02:02:53,760 --> 02:03:02,480 know we we're not the point where we're very heavily populated on the island 1398 02:02:59,199 --> 02:03:08,639 right now it's mostly empty territory but um for 1399 02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:15,520 me I I'm in agreement with um director mclinton is that um this seems like a 1400 02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:20,800 non-starter because we we need to figure out what we're going to do with the 1401 02:03:17,199 --> 02:03:26,840 First Nations that um have cut this uh rail line into 1402 02:03:22,440 --> 02:03:31,280 chunks and you know I and I agree with director mclinton also in that you know 1403 02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:38,400 we have to have respect for the First Nations and the fact that uh this land 1404 02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:45,880 was taken from them but so for me I think what we need to do is figure out 1405 02:03:41,800 --> 02:03:51,280 how what's what's the next step forward to uh you know make this a 1406 02:03:48,639 --> 02:03:58,000 continuous line otherwise I just don't see you know how it can possibly afford 1407 02:03:54,040 --> 02:04:04,320 as a as a trail line that makes sense to me uh you know I I'm in complete support 1408 02:04:01,559 --> 02:04:09,280 of having the island Corridor go forward but looking at the intersections that 1409 02:04:06,520 --> 02:04:14,320 have been created in the line it seems that um that's something that needs to 1410 02:04:12,079 --> 02:04:20,719 be solved as soon as possible and my question is what is the potential to 1411 02:04:17,559 --> 02:04:28,800 negotiate with the tribes and Nations involved to maybe get an agreement with 1412 02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:32,559 them to actually uh put this line together turn this off 1413 02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:41,559 now follow followup somebody say followup okay uh director 1414 02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:53,719 Morrison uh thank you chair uh I I'm wanted to sort of paint a little bit of 1415 02:04:48,280 --> 02:04:59,079 context here in that um this report is what's been uh prepared and presented on 1416 02:04:57,119 --> 02:05:04,360 the basis of what the province came to us and 1417 02:05:00,119 --> 02:05:10,760 said uh take this money and go out and uh create the that shared vision and our 1418 02:05:08,719 --> 02:05:16,800 our staff and our Consultants have have done that and I think it's a a pretty 1419 02:05:12,599 --> 02:05:23,000 exhaustive report for for directors that that have the concern about the uh first 1420 02:05:20,239 --> 02:05:29,800 nation's land I share that concern and and if you're not aware all across this 1421 02:05:26,119 --> 02:05:36,280 country our federal government has had policy in the past of dividing reserves 1422 02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:42,920 whether it be with Trail or with uh Rail lines or roads it's uh there's actually 1423 02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:47,040 a really good book written on it um so we are dealing with issues that were you 1424 02:05:46,079 --> 02:05:53,040 know created decades ago uh this report 1425 02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:58,159 though and and our CAO has has reiterated the fact that not only does 1426 02:05:55,159 --> 02:06:05,000 this board support reversion which is landback the island Corridor Foundation 1427 02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:11,840 supports that as well so this is a a document that is saying okay for our 1428 02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:16,040 region we're at at at this point um this is what we've got and we're waiting for 1429 02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:22,079 the other organizations that have been funded as well to come up with that 1430 02:06:19,159 --> 02:06:27,119 vision for their region and I have to say that the nations are engaged in this 1431 02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:31,440 to the extent they can and the capacity they have to participate and do it 1432 02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:37,040 because they were also funded and asked the same question as well I think the 1433 02:06:34,679 --> 02:06:40,960 the big point the big takeaway from this and it hasn't been mentioned a lot we 1434 02:06:38,599 --> 02:06:45,559 talk about going back to the province for their Direction and funding but at 1435 02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:50,000 the end of the day it's going to be the federal government that is going to be 1436 02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:55,199 the big decision maker in this uh what they will be doing with uh First Nations 1437 02:06:52,840 --> 02:07:01,119 and their Reserve lands and what they will be doing around funding major 1438 02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:06,880 transportation projects like this may be similar to the one that they spoke about 1439 02:07:02,760 --> 02:07:11,280 in Quebec City to Toronto so it's that's where the main emphasis should lie is 1440 02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:16,599 what will the federal government ultim ultimately be doing and right now 1441 02:07:13,719 --> 02:07:22,000 they're not even at the table so I think I I was going to move the recommended 1442 02:07:19,159 --> 02:07:26,679 resolution because I think that sort of puts a bow on the work that we've been 1443 02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:32,079 asked to do and I think it's been completed in a in a very satisfactory 1444 02:07:29,880 --> 02:07:36,559 way so I would move that recommendation so it's moved is there a second or 1445 02:07:33,559 --> 02:07:41,079 seconded and just to be clear to the committee so the the wording is that we 1446 02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:44,440 accept the report so by accepting the report doesn't mean you necessarily 1447 02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:50,760 agree with all the findings but it's um we need this motion passed um as part of 1448 02:07:47,639 --> 02:07:54,679 the uh the process in terms of this Grant from the government we have a 1449 02:07:52,320 --> 02:08:00,280 March 31st deadline that we're working towards okay so it's move second it's on 1450 02:07:56,960 --> 02:08:06,440 the floor next I've got um director aach and then I'd like to jump in 1451 02:08:03,159 --> 02:08:13,079 myself thank you chair um just really quick because the uh person who's a 1452 02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:15,880 little bit obsessed with bikes um I first want to acknowledge I definitely 1453 02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:20,599 appreciate director mcclinton's point and that's why I 1454 02:08:17,119 --> 02:08:26,559 think uh with the important thoughts he was sharing why it's really important to 1455 02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:30,679 reflect on director makai's points of we have important things we have to wait on 1456 02:08:28,360 --> 02:08:36,400 and work on but every we just keep kicking the ball down the field without 1457 02:08:34,159 --> 02:08:43,079 meaningfully trying to score a goal on the lwh hanging fruit that is keep going 1458 02:08:39,199 --> 02:08:47,199 hard on shortterm usage of the rail but primarily keep on the great work we're 1459 02:08:44,880 --> 02:08:52,000 doing with rail the trail and I in the report I didn't like that it's it 1460 02:08:48,840 --> 02:08:58,239 competes the two against each other like we can do both where it's necessary um I 1461 02:08:55,880 --> 02:09:02,920 think of my route when I do all my cbrd commutes by bike how transformative 1462 02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:07,719 would be when I get to bonsel Creek to be able to hop on the enn it would bring 1463 02:09:05,320 --> 02:09:14,119 me directly to this building yet I have to do a maze of tricky Maneuvers and uh 1464 02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:18,400 there's little old uh Trans Canada Highway Crossings I have to do it would 1465 02:09:16,199 --> 02:09:23,040 be pretty amazing and then the reason I reflect on that is um while we don't 1466 02:09:21,079 --> 02:09:28,559 have the population density where we have it we should be focusing on the 1467 02:09:25,559 --> 02:09:33,520 rails uh with trails and Paving them and doing them properly cuz I usually 1468 02:09:31,079 --> 02:09:37,880 typically I ride three to four times in the Victoria area specifically because 1469 02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:42,400 of their rail system um just as an example one converted Railway Trestle 1470 02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:50,639 yesterday had nearly 3,000 people cross it in one day on their system and being 1471 02:09:46,280 --> 02:09:55,920 that when you build that system uh in of course dense 1472 02:09:52,199 --> 02:10:02,159 population uh but Victoria in 20 2022 their stats were that 43% of the 1473 02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:06,239 population daily chooses not to drive it's all active 1474 02:10:03,880 --> 02:10:11,760 Transportation but back to my point of rail not making it against each other I 1475 02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:15,480 mean goodness I it's a chore uh in the summer months one to two times three 1476 02:10:13,800 --> 02:10:19,000 times a month I ride all the way from shanus to Victoria on my bike man it 1477 02:10:17,480 --> 02:10:24,400 would be amazing when I'm exhausted there to put my bike on a train and come 1478 02:10:21,119 --> 02:10:29,679 back back on it um so train is Transit all in as much as we can do as uh 1479 02:10:27,159 --> 02:10:35,920 director kellyo said um you know trains are amazing as such that Transit but 1480 02:10:31,639 --> 02:10:41,679 then also what uh director uh micle said is interesting like what is the level of 1481 02:10:38,400 --> 02:10:48,040 subsidy that we're putting into it as a per user on a tax rate and how what is 1482 02:10:45,840 --> 02:10:53,199 the ROI on that subsidy if that's invested 1483 02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:59,840 into uh adding four more buses a day on the Victoria Express on uh you know at 1484 02:10:57,679 --> 02:11:03,320 building the rail the rail the trails where uh the lwh hanging fruit 1485 02:11:01,679 --> 02:11:07,079 possibilities are that director McKay said so lots of good discussion there I 1486 02:11:05,559 --> 02:11:12,360 just wanted to share just a quick little bit of input as someone who rides a bike 1487 02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:16,239 every day when I can and I I don't do it right now this time of year weather 1488 02:11:14,320 --> 02:11:20,760 isn't an issue but there's no shoulders no safe ways from shanus to here in the 1489 02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:25,320 winter in the dark where there's no shoulder 1490 02:11:22,280 --> 02:11:29,920 and if we had a safe route I think even more people would be doing it um we're 1491 02:11:27,639 --> 02:11:35,639 going to see later in the issues there showing where the success of rails and 1492 02:11:32,199 --> 02:11:42,480 trails is is in lady Smith the shanus it's transformed the relationship 1493 02:11:37,360 --> 02:11:45,840 between those communities and been a uh really good part to seeing you know 1494 02:11:44,400 --> 02:11:50,119 we've got a really good successful business in Sal that benefits from that 1495 02:11:47,880 --> 02:11:54,480 as well so it connects those communities and you'll see in the upcoming report if 1496 02:11:52,400 --> 02:11:59,880 you break down the rails the trail stats on the counter on the rail the trail 1497 02:11:56,559 --> 02:12:06,239 there that's 1466 people a day in shanus to the shanus to Lady Smith route 1498 02:12:03,920 --> 02:12:11,760 1466 you know grain of salt that might be out and backs so even at that you're 1499 02:12:08,559 --> 02:12:15,960 seeing 700 plus users per day using the rail the trail there so it's just saying 1500 02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:20,239 just I don't like the idea of their competing uses but really wanted to be 1501 02:12:17,800 --> 02:12:24,159 open to like what can we do right now and of course that was reflected in both 1502 02:12:22,159 --> 02:12:30,360 north couch and master Transportation plan and also reflected in the uh cvr's 1503 02:12:28,239 --> 02:12:34,480 recent active Transportation survey and Report uh plan that was 1504 02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:37,880 finalized thanks for the time to share those 1505 02:12:35,239 --> 02:12:41,199 thoughts all right I've got a uh question some comments and I'm going to 1506 02:12:39,480 --> 02:12:45,679 turn to director McClinton and perhaps we can then then call the question uh Ju 1507 02:12:43,800 --> 02:12:50,400 Just want to build on the the comments from director McKai about some of the 1508 02:12:48,199 --> 02:12:55,280 the lower cost options in terms of laying gravel beside the existing rail 1509 02:12:53,400 --> 02:13:00,000 tracks for walking and cycling paths and wondering if the uh presenters and 1510 02:12:57,639 --> 02:13:04,760 perhaps even uh the CEO of the island corter Foundation might be able to speak 1511 02:13:01,639 --> 02:13:09,840 to any recent examples of that that um that you could elaborate on in terms 1512 02:13:07,159 --> 02:13:13,679 of uh again lower cost options to further active transportation 1513 02:13:22,639 --> 02:13:28,440 Mr B's coming up then perhaps s you could speak to this after as 1514 02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:39,199 well thank you board and chair uh it's great to be here again and eching uh uh 1515 02:13:37,119 --> 02:13:43,639 hats off to the consultant and staff team really incredible work that just 1516 02:13:41,239 --> 02:13:48,880 shows the complexity uh that we're dealing with and uh we need to continue 1517 02:13:46,400 --> 02:13:54,920 stepping forward work walking hand inand with the Nations uh to find uh really 1518 02:13:52,159 --> 02:14:01,199 strong uh solutions that we all benefit from and uh feel uh that uh we can uh 1519 02:13:58,880 --> 02:14:06,079 put our heart and soul into with respect to short-term uh items uh couldn't agree 1520 02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:11,199 more and we're having some real great progress in other areas uh on this uh 1521 02:14:08,840 --> 02:14:16,520 where it makes sense Qualicum Beach in particular has been a leader where uh 1522 02:14:13,800 --> 02:14:21,239 through some ditching work and uh uh gradeall work that we had to do anyways 1523 02:14:18,599 --> 02:14:26,639 this year uh qualum uh Town put in another $10,000 and we 1524 02:14:23,800 --> 02:14:32,800 were able to do almost a kilometer of uh I wouldn't quite call it a AAA multiuse 1525 02:14:29,599 --> 02:14:38,119 facility but it's definitely uh you're not stuck in the brambles anymore and if 1526 02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:42,920 you have a half decent mountain bike um not everyone does but uh something with 1527 02:14:40,440 --> 02:14:48,520 some pretty good tires you can now Traverse uh on the corridor instead of 1528 02:14:45,719 --> 02:14:53,520 going on Fern Road and that's tremendous we're also uh going to be launching 1529 02:14:50,760 --> 02:14:58,559 something on Earth Day in Nimo uh where there's a real pinch point to get to a 1530 02:14:55,960 --> 02:15:03,960 school in Chinatown in the South End there and the City of Nimo is going to 1531 02:15:01,000 --> 02:15:08,880 be contributing uh to get a rough path to connect that school uh which is 1532 02:15:06,079 --> 02:15:15,400 already traversed very heavily Every Morning by kids and we're trying to push 1533 02:15:11,800 --> 02:15:22,000 that back uh in a in a more uh Safe Way and yeah low hanging fruit it's not uh 1534 02:15:17,800 --> 02:15:26,040 as good as the iann trail in Victoria we would love to see that everywhere but 1535 02:15:23,760 --> 02:15:31,040 that's going to be big dollars and um whether or not that can happen in uh the 1536 02:15:28,079 --> 02:15:35,760 medium term or not has so many factors at play with the nations with the other 1537 02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:40,480 memberships and maybe maybe not but I'd say for short-term items uh let's put 1538 02:15:38,599 --> 02:15:46,760 some love into the corridor great thanks Mr bevon and I'll 1539 02:15:42,960 --> 02:15:46,760 turn SLE anything to add to 1540 02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:56,719 that or Johan yes thank you very much um yeah I I would like to add to that um I 1541 02:15:53,880 --> 02:16:01,639 think well well first of all the the the the work that has been done uh certainly 1542 02:15:59,520 --> 02:16:06,880 did not go to that granular level of detail in terms of what are the 1543 02:16:03,719 --> 02:16:12,960 different levels of trail that one could establish uh but I do think there is 1544 02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:18,760 Merit in saying that work should be done and could be done to say figure out okay 1545 02:16:16,800 --> 02:16:24,040 because what we hear what we are hearing loud and clear is uh what are our 1546 02:16:21,239 --> 02:16:30,520 options looking at establishing in the short term um uh perhaps not the whole 1547 02:16:28,079 --> 02:16:37,559 Corridor but portions of the corridor and converting that to a trail so maybe 1548 02:16:33,359 --> 02:16:42,960 it's not as um Mr Bon um suggested it's not the the AAA version but it is a 1549 02:16:40,200 --> 02:16:48,040 version that really turns the corridor around into some use so yeah I I I I 1550 02:16:46,319 --> 02:16:52,760 would I would suggest I would strongly suggest some work could certainly be 1551 02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:57,599 done in in that area so I don't know if you would like to add to that thank you 1552 02:16:55,240 --> 02:17:03,319 very much Yan you covered it quite well uh well just uh putting my transporation 1553 02:17:00,359 --> 02:17:08,040 engineering hat here and speedballing you know we had different topography and 1554 02:17:06,040 --> 02:17:15,160 different grades and different you know kind of areas across 71 kilm in cvd or 1555 02:17:11,920 --> 02:17:20,920 the whole Corridor roughly 240 kilm so we have to do a zoning there's a need 1556 02:17:17,960 --> 02:17:25,200 for a conceptual design and really comes to the cost and different options uh 1557 02:17:23,439 --> 02:17:31,120 different scenarios can be designed you know uh the wids or typical section of 1558 02:17:27,719 --> 02:17:35,519 the gravel path what areas uh have safety concerns because we're talking 1559 02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:40,679 about a rail Corridor and when we have a rail Corridor uh or sharing an area on 1560 02:17:39,120 --> 02:17:44,639 the rail Corridor there's a lot of safety 1561 02:17:41,679 --> 02:17:48,679 concerns and of course covering or just building a path right beside the 1562 02:17:46,679 --> 02:17:55,160 corridor so there's a lot of feasibility in conceptual uh study required to uh 1563 02:17:52,559 --> 02:18:00,240 come up with the uh first priorities in terms of safety topography wids and also 1564 02:17:58,319 --> 02:18:05,519 the grades that we can put there so that people can use like ebikes or just can 1565 02:18:02,479 --> 02:18:12,240 walk there and do hiking there so I would say uh and a study is required to 1566 02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:17,080 identify the fairest you know areas that could be easily uh and quickly expanded 1567 02:18:15,359 --> 02:18:21,280 and what's going to be the challenging Crossing areas rails and rivers and Road 1568 02:18:19,960 --> 02:18:26,920 crossings that need uh safety improvements handrails and uh 1569 02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:31,559 uh reach uh Rehabilitation maintenance and uh then then kind of next phases can 1570 02:18:29,559 --> 02:18:36,040 be developed I hope that answers the question thank you thank you all I just 1571 02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:39,359 have a couple comments and I'm going to turn over to director mclinton and 1572 02:18:37,880 --> 02:18:44,679 hoping we can perhaps call the question after that so in my view this report has 1573 02:18:42,519 --> 02:18:48,240 been uh very thorough and reflects the uh the complexity and the history of the 1574 02:18:46,120 --> 02:18:53,359 corridor as you know a significant portion of the C's population lies near 1575 02:18:50,439 --> 02:18:56,920 the Corridor and as the aanch has shown we can expect a lot more growth in areas 1576 02:18:55,240 --> 02:19:00,840 within a short distance of the corridor between now and 1577 02:18:58,399 --> 02:19:05,880 2041 this spine is absolutely critical to the city's future and should be 1578 02:19:02,599 --> 02:19:10,120 reflective uh as such in future growth planning the public clearly wants to see 1579 02:19:08,240 --> 02:19:14,800 Transportation options provided on the corridor whether for rail trail or a 1580 02:19:12,040 --> 02:19:18,840 combination of the two the city has been Auto has been an autod dependent area 1581 02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:23,599 for more than 50 years and with all the growth happening this has to shift 1582 02:19:21,359 --> 02:19:26,719 the answer is not one more Lane the city needs to listen to the public and 1583 02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:32,080 provide leadership so the corridor can serve as a transportation asset now and 1584 02:19:29,319 --> 02:19:35,920 into the future in my view the city also needs to continue to work creatively and 1585 02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:41,319 collaboratively so that the corter can benefit the First Nations and public 1586 02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:45,880 together we know that couch and tribes are becoming leaders in development with 1587 02:19:43,599 --> 02:19:50,120 impressive projects like the 200 unit Rivers Edge rental apartments by The 1588 02:19:47,880 --> 02:19:54,280 Quon Development Corporation this could be a model for how we want to densify 1589 02:19:52,080 --> 02:20:01,560 service lands beside the corridor and protect and conserve lands away from 1590 02:19:58,359 --> 02:20:07,520 it so now turn it to director mclinton perhaps to close 1591 02:20:03,840 --> 02:20:11,040 yes one more Lane wouldn't be so bad thank you 1592 02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:15,000 chair uh no I I just want I just want to go on record I and I I didn't say this 1593 02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:20,000 at the beginning I do want to thank Miss Miles Wilson for and the other caos that 1594 02:20:18,399 --> 02:20:24,160 and the the the Chiefs and all the representatives that were really in my 1595 02:20:21,800 --> 02:20:29,800 opinion put in an untenable situation I I like the province was hopefully they 1596 02:20:28,200 --> 02:20:33,040 all agree that's sort of what it seemed like to me um but it is great to see 1597 02:20:31,720 --> 02:20:36,200 this report and I just want to go on record I'm very happy to receive this 1598 02:20:34,600 --> 02:20:40,080 report I think it's terrific information it's super important to know where we're 1599 02:20:38,240 --> 02:20:44,880 at and the challenges we have to move forward um it's just clear in my mind 1600 02:20:42,520 --> 02:20:50,800 it's clear to me the first things first is is reroute compensate or you know uh 1601 02:20:48,800 --> 02:20:55,680 figuring another solution to to deal with the intersection so um with that I 1602 02:20:53,040 --> 02:20:59,520 I'm happy to well it's already been moved so we'll call the question all 1603 02:20:58,120 --> 02:21:06,160 right we'll call the question then all in favor of exec the report and opposed 1604 02:21:03,240 --> 02:21:11,359 none opposed motion carries we can now move on to R3 report from the parks and 1605 02:21:09,120 --> 02:21:16,359 trails division regarding the 2024 year end park ranger 1606 02:21:17,560 --> 02:21:23,240 report are we getting an overview from staff or we going straight 1607 02:21:21,080 --> 02:21:30,319 inform Just for information all right any questions from the committee no all 1608 02:21:27,479 --> 02:21:35,240 right yeah director Nicholson thank you I um I read this 1609 02:21:33,479 --> 02:21:39,080 report with great interest and it would be very helpful next time if you could 1610 02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:41,640 please put information about specific parks in 1611 02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:52,200 there all right seeing nodding from staff can I move on to item R4 report 1612 02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:57,600 from the parks oh sorry director Morrison over to you uh 1613 02:21:55,280 --> 02:22:03,439 thank you chair and I was hoping we might actually have staff up here for 1614 02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:10,800 some questions around this because uh uh I'm really curious about the um 1615 02:22:07,479 --> 02:22:17,560 interactions and and conflicts that I've heard of recently developed uh you know 1616 02:22:13,319 --> 02:22:25,760 when we first started the the um various trails and and and improved them uh uh 1617 02:22:20,840 --> 02:22:31,520 it was mainly uh Recreation we had people using it for equestrian purposes 1618 02:22:28,319 --> 02:22:36,080 uh and then we had the Advent of uh of electrified scooters and the like and 1619 02:22:33,760 --> 02:22:43,439 and and one of the issues was motorized vehicles on the on the trail um uh I'm 1620 02:22:40,160 --> 02:22:50,760 now getting reports on a regular basis of uh the equestrian users which have 1621 02:22:47,160 --> 02:22:56,439 every right to be using it are having Pleasant interactions with the 1622 02:22:53,120 --> 02:23:02,160 ATVs and difficulties with the ebikes and the ebikes can go pretty fast on 1623 02:22:58,520 --> 02:23:06,520 there and uh horses are big animals so if if we've been noticing an uptick in 1624 02:23:04,399 --> 02:23:10,880 the uh uh conflicts between the different user groups because I what I'm 1625 02:23:08,600 --> 02:23:16,240 hearing is is that what everyone was afraid of with the 1626 02:23:12,280 --> 02:23:22,439 ATVs hasn't materialized but the new conflicts with other user groups has so 1627 02:23:19,120 --> 02:23:22,439 have you got any comment on that 1628 02:23:23,359 --> 02:23:31,720 through the chair thank you for the question um yeah when I started um 1629 02:23:29,560 --> 02:23:36,560 ironically it was the motorized vehicles that were the problem which kind of 1630 02:23:33,920 --> 02:23:40,760 initiated the share the trail um Campaign which has now been kind of 1631 02:23:38,040 --> 02:23:45,840 going for two and a half almost 3 years into various stages um and then I was 1632 02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:51,359 just talking about this today anecdotally what I've noticed is the 1633 02:23:47,439 --> 02:23:55,920 motorized vehicle issue has gone down um I was inundated with those calls when I 1634 02:23:53,560 --> 02:24:00,960 first started and that is no longer the case I think it's a combination of you 1635 02:23:58,760 --> 02:24:07,880 know the ATVs being a little bit wiser to it um maybe they're conducting 1636 02:24:04,840 --> 02:24:11,439 their their their activity after hours When there's less people on the trail or 1637 02:24:09,760 --> 02:24:15,240 they've just realized the game is up and they've moved on or other Park users 1638 02:24:13,479 --> 02:24:18,240 have read our signs and they've kind of felt empowered to be able to go out and 1639 02:24:16,880 --> 02:24:24,520 tell people themselves because they can see the rules stated pretty clearly um 1640 02:24:21,640 --> 02:24:30,000 so then in a vacuum then comes the ebikes um that is something that comes 1641 02:24:27,720 --> 02:24:34,439 across my desk for sure uh people complaining about um the speed with 1642 02:24:31,760 --> 02:24:39,000 which cyclists are going on the trail and that's also just cyclists that's not 1643 02:24:36,200 --> 02:24:43,120 just ebikes so um that's you know the Sunday Riders who are really going I get 1644 02:24:41,279 --> 02:24:47,800 a lot of calls about that up in salar and Chima so um it's not necessarily 1645 02:24:46,040 --> 02:24:52,600 just an ebike problem I think what's happened is the motorized vehicle issue 1646 02:24:49,640 --> 02:24:57,640 has subsided slightly um and then the proliferation of ebikes has come in to 1647 02:24:54,439 --> 02:25:04,840 kind of fill a little bit of a vacuum thank you for that and just a a 1648 02:25:00,640 --> 02:25:10,000 followup um I I the this was initiated by some folks that were uh that have 1649 02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:16,000 been regular equestrian users and and like to get out on their horses and ride 1650 02:25:11,960 --> 02:25:20,520 on the weekend but uh they now feel that um that our our trail system isn't 1651 02:25:18,680 --> 02:25:27,479 appropriate for their use because of of the potential danger of uh of their 1652 02:25:24,359 --> 02:25:33,960 animals being surprised and and so uh are are we doing anything to ensure that 1653 02:25:30,680 --> 02:25:38,680 uh that those users that are entitled to the use of our trails are uh are feeling 1654 02:25:36,359 --> 02:25:42,520 welcome and and able to enjoy the benefits of 1655 02:25:40,359 --> 02:25:47,120 them yeah through the chair thanks for the follow-up question uh we are um yeah 1656 02:25:45,080 --> 02:25:51,720 I um one of the things that I've been focusing on particularly in the spring 1657 02:25:48,960 --> 02:25:57,120 and summer um is what I call checkpoints so I'm actually stopping at various 1658 02:25:53,960 --> 02:26:01,800 locations um around the CVT um and checking in with people both their 1659 02:25:58,880 --> 02:26:08,080 experiences their the pros and cons of their of their use um so we do kind of 1660 02:26:05,319 --> 02:26:12,040 do reach out um campaigns with Trail users just to kind of engage with them 1661 02:26:10,399 --> 02:26:15,399 as well as to kind of stop people who are in the middle of conducting 1662 02:26:13,399 --> 02:26:20,560 themselves contrary to the park bylaw it's important to note though that with 1663 02:26:17,120 --> 02:26:26,479 ebikes um there's a limit to which um to how fast that they can go um and that 1664 02:26:23,720 --> 02:26:32,880 limit is is recognized and categorized by uh ICBC and you know the the powers 1665 02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:38,520 that be that conduct our our road um rules and the ebikes that are allowed on 1666 02:26:35,279 --> 02:26:45,520 our Trails cannot go P cannot go faster than 32 it's just slightly over 32 km an 1667 02:26:42,479 --> 02:26:51,080 hour so a lot of the complaints that we get are to be honest um people's 1668 02:26:48,760 --> 02:26:55,520 experience you know having a negative experience the ebike is going past them 1669 02:26:53,279 --> 02:27:01,880 at a clip that's a lot faster than the horse that they're on but when you 1670 02:26:57,880 --> 02:27:04,880 actually lean into um the situation um the ebike isn't going any faster than 1671 02:27:03,560 --> 02:27:10,520 what's allowable and we are um you know 1672 02:27:08,040 --> 02:27:14,319 conscious that you know when you're sitting still or just walking along some 1673 02:27:12,600 --> 02:27:19,960 people are pushing strollers some people are walking with their kids um any 1674 02:27:16,600 --> 02:27:22,520 cyclist going past at the max speed is going to be 1675 02:27:22,720 --> 02:27:30,279 startling follow up director Morrison all right any further questions for 1676 02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:36,040 staff director Nicholson 1677 02:27:32,359 --> 02:27:41,040 can can you press it one more time I was so well trained 1678 02:27:39,439 --> 02:27:47,240 before um shus River Park I was wondering um 1679 02:27:45,680 --> 02:27:52,960 how often you get out there and what the issues are these days 1680 02:27:50,319 --> 02:27:56,720 well I thank you for the question through the chair um I do get out there 1681 02:27:55,080 --> 02:28:02,479 it's pretty quiet these days it used to be a lot worse um from everything that 1682 02:27:59,000 --> 02:28:06,760 I've read um there's no longer The Bullet Hole damage and the gates being 1683 02:28:04,319 --> 02:28:12,359 ripped and um that sort of thing but we do have people camping um as we have all 1684 02:28:09,800 --> 02:28:18,479 over the region um I was there this past Sunday and someone was operating a um a 1685 02:28:16,120 --> 02:28:24,720 sauna like a that they pull behind their truck um and you know you know so 1686 02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:28,240 there's little things like that um but anecdotally from my perspective I have 1687 02:28:27,279 --> 02:28:33,479 yet to encounter um problems of the severe 1688 02:28:31,279 --> 02:28:37,640 nature that were happening there before um but all that said I still hear 1689 02:28:35,640 --> 02:28:42,880 stories of you know summertime parties and um campouts and all that sort of 1690 02:28:40,120 --> 02:28:49,600 stuff but in terms of Park damage um damage to trees uh tree theft um like I 1691 02:28:46,279 --> 02:28:53,319 said um unauthorized hunting and fishing um 1692 02:28:50,880 --> 02:28:59,319 I'm not seeing that as much as we we were before I started 1693 02:28:56,240 --> 02:29:03,800 yeah any further questions all right thank Youk you so this was just for 1694 02:29:01,920 --> 02:29:07,760 information we can now move on to the next report from the parks and trails 1695 02:29:05,399 --> 02:29:14,840 division this is with regards to the 2024 city parks and trails visitation 1696 02:29:10,720 --> 02:29:14,840 program summary any questions for 1697 02:29:15,120 --> 02:29:22,600 staff director estash thank you chair just a quick 1698 02:29:20,520 --> 02:29:29,399 question on as I spoke really quick on the shanus to Lady Smith Sal rail the 1699 02:29:25,479 --> 02:29:33,840 trail I just curious um was the trail counter relocated and I'm just C I don't 1700 02:29:31,800 --> 02:29:38,240 know if we publicly it's a policy to share where they are I'm just curious uh 1701 02:29:36,600 --> 02:29:43,040 if it was a change because now there's multiple access points now or was it 1702 02:29:41,120 --> 02:29:48,359 because of the change of the new parking lot which is of course getting 1703 02:29:44,600 --> 02:29:53,560 tremendous usage and at that 63,000 uh uh for last year being down 1704 02:29:51,399 --> 02:29:59,000 I'm just curious if that is isn't indicative as we heard there are some 1705 02:29:55,800 --> 02:30:03,880 concerns of uh usage uh they aren't really conflicts their education misses 1706 02:30:01,920 --> 02:30:08,040 some people have never seen horses some seniors have never ridden bikes but my 1707 02:30:06,160 --> 02:30:13,399 question is on that 1,466 on average people per day where is 1708 02:30:11,120 --> 02:30:18,120 that count being initiated who wants to take this one 1709 02:30:20,560 --> 02:30:26,640 thank you for the question through the chair um the location of that counter 1710 02:30:24,080 --> 02:30:32,640 has stayed the same and uh where we've located it is in our Central um location 1711 02:30:30,200 --> 02:30:37,800 on I believe is Davis Road or not Davis Road sorry uh Douglas um so right where 1712 02:30:35,600 --> 02:30:41,399 there's a kiosk and a bathroom a portable yeah so it's there cuz it's in 1713 02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:46,560 right in the middle and it hasn't changed locations okay uh as a followup 1714 02:30:44,200 --> 02:30:54,680 chair um is there any thought on temporarily possibly this summer at peak 1715 02:30:49,240 --> 02:31:00,080 times uh getting a count or on the south side of the road at the new parking lot 1716 02:30:57,439 --> 02:31:04,479 at North Watts there just to see to get an idea of usage uh initiating out of 1717 02:31:02,520 --> 02:31:10,840 the investment that cvd made into that parking 1718 02:31:06,240 --> 02:31:16,960 lot yeah yeah yeah we've talked about um the idea of around new builds and you 1719 02:31:13,880 --> 02:31:22,319 know um if it's a newly created Corridor or kind of a new um attraction so to 1720 02:31:20,240 --> 02:31:25,840 speak is putting in trail counters for temporary periods as you said 1721 02:31:23,840 --> 02:31:30,200 particularly during the peak times just to get a snapshot and then we can report 1722 02:31:27,680 --> 02:31:36,359 out from there um North wat is under consideration shaigan rail trail um and 1723 02:31:33,560 --> 02:31:40,560 the like so yes great yeah thank you to all the staff as well that's my go-to I 1724 02:31:38,560 --> 02:31:46,200 either run it or ride it every single day and the quality of work and cleaning 1725 02:31:44,120 --> 02:31:49,080 up after storms and everything there I know I'm going on but it's an 1726 02:31:47,279 --> 02:31:54,560 opportunity to thank staff so definitely staff have done a great job there and uh 1727 02:31:51,880 --> 02:32:01,200 look forward to the continued success of IT director Wilson don't touch it yeah 1728 02:31:59,200 --> 02:32:08,520 thank you chair um a technical question more than anything uh with the um the 1729 02:32:04,160 --> 02:32:13,479 counters um how how do you compensate for somebody going in and then somebody 1730 02:32:11,319 --> 02:32:19,279 coming out again does that count as two or is there any compensation on that 1731 02:32:15,920 --> 02:32:19,279 kind of thing 1732 02:32:20,040 --> 02:32:27,359 through the chair uh thank you yes we kind of look at every single counter and 1733 02:32:24,120 --> 02:32:31,439 kind of uh deliberate how it's being used through that so if it's like into a 1734 02:32:30,040 --> 02:32:36,160 park you can assume that they're going in and out so we'll divide that by two 1735 02:32:33,960 --> 02:32:40,120 okay so we do do some division of those numbers depending on like how we think 1736 02:32:38,000 --> 02:32:43,359 that might operate that's what I um some of the ones along the trail we might 1737 02:32:41,600 --> 02:32:47,800 assume that some are doing a through and some might be doing it back so we might 1738 02:32:45,000 --> 02:32:52,720 uh divide by like 1.5 for instance okay so we do try to count that as we to find 1739 02:32:50,960 --> 02:32:57,840 those numbers thank you very much that's me director 1740 02:32:54,720 --> 02:33:03,560 Morrison thank you chair um I I think I might have asked this question last year 1741 02:33:00,160 --> 02:33:08,520 and uh got some interesting uh answers and and it's more in regards to asset 1742 02:33:05,840 --> 02:33:15,439 management of of the counters um I noticed in uh some figures that uh there 1743 02:33:11,880 --> 02:33:20,640 may have been uh in my area a counter that had either malfunctioned or had 1744 02:33:18,000 --> 02:33:26,240 been damaged and that we've had some of these counters for quite a quite a 1745 02:33:22,960 --> 02:33:30,880 length of time now and are are we so my question is really about are are we 1746 02:33:28,200 --> 02:33:36,840 having counters aging out are we having any uh recurring software hardware 1747 02:33:34,720 --> 02:33:42,840 issues uh what's the state of the inventory of of the equipment and uh and 1748 02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:48,040 are we going to be looking at I think we could probably do uh as was indicated 1749 02:33:45,760 --> 02:33:52,359 earlier some some spot and point and time counts but I think there's other 1750 02:33:50,080 --> 02:33:56,880 parks that may deserve to be monitored as well so how are we doing as far as 1751 02:33:54,240 --> 02:34:01,640 our inventory and replacement of old equipment and the likes and and are 1752 02:33:58,520 --> 02:34:06,720 there any specific issues around uh uh damage or or vandalism that uh that we 1753 02:34:04,600 --> 02:34:11,479 should know about through the chair yes this is a 1754 02:34:09,840 --> 02:34:16,920 question we kind of deliberate every single year um this year in particular 1755 02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:22,200 we found uh a few have been aging out so we're kind of reviewing uh purchasing of 1756 02:34:20,760 --> 02:34:25,720 some new ones to replace those in the inter term we've had some that we can 1757 02:34:23,800 --> 02:34:31,600 put in the inter term that should suffice for uh at least a few years we 1758 02:34:29,040 --> 02:34:37,880 hope um but this is kind of like a an ongoing issue that we address on an 1759 02:34:34,040 --> 02:34:42,120 ongoing basis um we do have incidences particularly at particular locations of 1760 02:34:39,760 --> 02:34:47,479 vandalism which kind of deterior our numbers being useful in some instances 1761 02:34:44,960 --> 02:34:52,319 um so those are some locations we also deliberate of relocation or different 1762 02:34:50,120 --> 02:34:56,439 positioning of those just to help with those issues as well but uh yeah we're 1763 02:34:54,800 --> 02:35:01,560 currently we're kind of reviewing um some purchasing of some new counters to 1764 02:34:58,720 --> 02:35:06,399 compensate some of those aging ones yeah just as a real quick followup 1765 02:35:04,080 --> 02:35:10,600 I I I think it'd be interested if uh if staff could come forward I don't know if 1766 02:35:08,279 --> 02:35:15,359 it would be a what are we calling them they're not supplemental items anymore 1767 02:35:12,520 --> 02:35:19,120 but they're uh uh additions to service service enhancements service 1768 02:35:16,720 --> 02:35:23,160 enhancements uh because uh you know investing 1769 02:35:20,160 --> 02:35:28,399 in our Parks is is uh really important and and it's it helps me as a director 1770 02:35:25,960 --> 02:35:32,760 to know that uh if I'm getting increased usage or heavy usage in in one area or 1771 02:35:30,680 --> 02:35:37,880 another to have that data is really helpful uh on on where we direct our 1772 02:35:35,200 --> 02:35:41,920 assets so if if there was uh you know the ability to acquire more equipment 1773 02:35:39,920 --> 02:35:45,359 monitor more parks and more areas that would be uh something I'd be interested 1774 02:35:43,840 --> 02:35:50,520 and I don't know if my colleagues would be but uh it would be for my area at 1775 02:35:47,520 --> 02:35:54,120 least thank you great thank you we'll now move on to the 1776 02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:59,279 next report here also from the parks and trails division so this is with regards 1777 02:35:56,120 --> 02:36:06,200 to the 2024 Park reservations special events and parks and trails volunteer 1778 02:36:01,800 --> 02:36:06,200 program summary any questions for 1779 02:36:06,279 --> 02:36:14,560 staff all right so this one soorry I I keep looking at looking 1780 02:36:12,960 --> 02:36:17,479 at all your faces I got to look at the screen so I'll get the hang of it 1781 02:36:15,720 --> 02:36:22,240 director Wilson then director Morrison yeah thank you chair um I've 1782 02:36:19,880 --> 02:36:26,960 got a question here I'm a great believer in volunteers um because I I think we 1783 02:36:25,520 --> 02:36:31,520 really do underutilize the resources and the 1784 02:36:29,920 --> 02:36:37,920 expertise that there is out there and the willingness of groups to uh help us 1785 02:36:35,200 --> 02:36:41,960 out uh they do a very good job if they're allowed to do and half half the 1786 02:36:39,960 --> 02:36:46,439 problem is and I've I've got an email here from a local Ramblers Association 1787 02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:52,640 which is voicing their serious disappointment and concern um that 1788 02:36:50,040 --> 02:36:56,720 Parks has opted to a they're using the word ignore our offer of doing the 1789 02:36:54,720 --> 02:37:01,800 preliminary work of plotting out the hill as it currently stands these are 1790 02:36:59,680 --> 02:37:05,479 very experienced hikers they use the trails all the time they've offered to 1791 02:37:03,560 --> 02:37:11,359 map the trails and everything else and yet they're not being used they're going 1792 02:37:06,800 --> 02:37:16,200 to be using I understand um Consultants to do it why are we not taking more 1793 02:37:14,040 --> 02:37:20,399 advantage of the of the volunteers that we've got in instances like this to keep 1794 02:37:18,520 --> 02:37:25,920 our cost down and to engage the community when they 1795 02:37:22,960 --> 02:37:31,600 want to be engaged thank you um through the chair to director 1796 02:37:29,000 --> 02:37:37,000 here um I I believe it probably has to do with the type of work um through the 1797 02:37:33,680 --> 02:37:41,800 volunteer policy that we have in place um there's only certain types of work 1798 02:37:38,560 --> 02:37:48,120 that can be um done that wouldn't interfere with sort of unionize staff 1799 02:37:44,200 --> 02:37:52,680 and those type of things um and it could be a capacity issue as well I think it 1800 02:37:50,319 --> 02:37:56,600 just depends do anyone else want to jump into that or does that um answer the 1801 02:37:55,399 --> 02:38:00,880 question do answer your question director Wilson not really 1802 02:38:05,960 --> 02:38:12,439 um no it doesn't really um because I've heard this before where it's a question 1803 02:38:10,720 --> 02:38:15,800 of liability it's a question of training and it's a question of this it's always 1804 02:38:14,319 --> 02:38:21,880 and and you know I'm going to be as direct as I can here more often than not 1805 02:38:18,840 --> 02:38:25,960 at this table I hear what we can't do whereas what we can do what we can 1806 02:38:24,040 --> 02:38:31,399 achieve with the kind of resources we've got available to people who want to help 1807 02:38:28,800 --> 02:38:35,279 as far as liability is concerned I checked this with the m uh with the 1808 02:38:33,279 --> 02:38:39,880 municipal in Insurance Bureau and they said as long as they have been given 1809 02:38:37,479 --> 02:38:44,920 some kind of training they are covered under our insurance so the liability 1810 02:38:42,479 --> 02:38:49,000 question really is a non-starter so let me ask the question again why are we not 1811 02:38:47,120 --> 02:38:53,640 taking more advantage of willing groups who have the resources and the expertise 1812 02:38:51,279 --> 02:38:57,960 to carry out this kind of work without paying other 1813 02:38:55,880 --> 02:39:01,200 people through the chair a very good question and at the end of the day it 1814 02:38:59,560 --> 02:39:06,279 really comes down to a few things was mentioned by uh Elizabeth uh around 1815 02:39:04,000 --> 02:39:10,840 capacity around our ability to respond to group's interests how it aligns with 1816 02:39:08,439 --> 02:39:14,479 the work program and plans that are established by the board every year with 1817 02:39:12,319 --> 02:39:17,880 budget approvals so we know there's lots of groups out there with lots of great 1818 02:39:16,240 --> 02:39:22,920 ideas at the end of the day it really comes back to this table in terms of 1819 02:39:20,640 --> 02:39:26,920 where you see overall uh the parks and trails program both in electoral areas 1820 02:39:25,200 --> 02:39:30,680 and Regional Parks establishing priorities uh we have a lot of Outreach 1821 02:39:29,080 --> 02:39:34,240 uh with volunteers as you see in the report before you uh quite a lot of 1822 02:39:32,880 --> 02:39:38,960 projects were done both through the volunteer program last year but also a 1823 02:39:36,479 --> 02:39:42,680 significant amount of staff time through the program is also supporting groups 1824 02:39:40,760 --> 02:39:47,720 and organizations that are holding events in your Parks across the region 1825 02:39:45,560 --> 02:39:52,080 uh so as it comes down to capacity so certainly we'd be happy to into this 1826 02:39:49,880 --> 02:39:56,200 more with the committee if there's a desire to see what more can be done how 1827 02:39:54,319 --> 02:40:00,319 we can reach out and engage more with our community volunteer interests but at 1828 02:39:58,439 --> 02:40:05,040 the end of the day it comes back to how we as an organization can support them 1829 02:40:02,680 --> 02:40:09,200 to be able to do things in your Parks yeah thank you Brian and and I I'll 1830 02:40:06,880 --> 02:40:13,600 follow up with a comment here uh as far as capacity is 1831 02:40:10,840 --> 02:40:17,520 concerned um it seems to me there's an awful lot of rigidity there's no 1832 02:40:15,720 --> 02:40:23,800 flexibility here at all and that's something I'd like to see thank you than 1833 02:40:20,359 --> 02:40:29,319 you director Morrison uh thank you chair uh through the staff uh and I'm I may 1834 02:40:27,359 --> 02:40:34,000 need some help in in Remembering if I got the details here exactly right but 1835 02:40:31,240 --> 02:40:39,080 it it seemed that uh a couple of years ago we had uh found that some other 1836 02:40:36,439 --> 02:40:45,720 jurisdictions were uh changing their policy as to uh what was allowed to 1837 02:40:41,720 --> 02:40:51,000 happen in parks and uh and and I I think it was somewhere Greater Vancouver where 1838 02:40:48,680 --> 02:40:54,560 they were allowing people to bring a bottle of wine into the park and and 1839 02:40:52,720 --> 02:41:00,279 have a bottle of wine on the beach and and we really hadn't developed a a 1840 02:40:57,520 --> 02:41:07,080 policy as to what actual activities would be uh allowed in our parks and so 1841 02:41:04,479 --> 02:41:13,920 uh it seemed to me a couple of years ago we were talking about developing a 1842 02:41:09,760 --> 02:41:17,680 special events and and and uh use policy as to what would be allowed and what 1843 02:41:15,560 --> 02:41:22,279 wouldn't as in like if people wanted to have their wedding reception and a park 1844 02:41:19,760 --> 02:41:27,279 and would would alcohol be allowed to be in there would there be able to be food 1845 02:41:24,160 --> 02:41:32,960 preparation and the likes have we engaged in in that study or review 1846 02:41:30,439 --> 02:41:36,080 yet through the chair director Morrison you have a wonderful crystal ball 1847 02:41:34,520 --> 02:41:41,120 because staff are currently working on that and we're looking forward to 1848 02:41:37,080 --> 02:41:41,120 bringing it Forward at a near future 1849 02:41:41,240 --> 02:41:50,760 meeting director Nicholson thank you director martman has 1850 02:41:46,600 --> 02:41:50,760 helped me by covering my button 1851 02:41:51,920 --> 02:41:56,720 um I'd like to just bring us back to 1852 02:41:59,439 --> 02:42:10,399 this okay um Asset Management I I have um I 1853 02:42:06,800 --> 02:42:16,399 don't think we have a an invent a map maps or inventory of our ecosystems that 1854 02:42:13,640 --> 02:42:22,160 we have in our Parks do we chair through to direct 1855 02:42:19,840 --> 02:42:26,160 for all parks no other than what exists at certain mapping levels across the 1856 02:42:23,960 --> 02:42:30,560 region and or what's been been done specifically when we're doing a park 1857 02:42:27,680 --> 02:42:34,520 management plan right so to follow up with 1858 02:42:32,200 --> 02:42:39,600 um director Wilson's comment about volunteers and and I think there's a 1859 02:42:36,920 --> 02:42:47,399 real opportunity to maybe engage the schools viu um on on programs to have 1860 02:42:43,880 --> 02:42:51,160 our an inventory done by students um because I think that's the first step of 1861 02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:55,800 you you really need to know what you've got in your parks and um if you're going 1862 02:42:54,279 --> 02:43:00,800 to especially if you're going to do a management plan it's nice to know what 1863 02:42:58,080 --> 02:43:05,640 you have and potentially the condition of it and so I think that's a real 1864 02:43:02,720 --> 02:43:09,040 opportunity that we should um look into thank 1865 02:43:06,840 --> 02:43:13,880 you director estash thank you chair uh super quick 1866 02:43:11,960 --> 02:43:18,680 before my question just a thanks and acknowledgement to staff for all the 1867 02:43:15,279 --> 02:43:24,960 events last year and also hats off to the huge turnout of cvrd staff at the 1868 02:43:21,319 --> 02:43:28,520 one event uh specifically the CCH and uh Autumn classic trail running event so 1869 02:43:26,760 --> 02:43:32,120 thanks to the cvrd staff that make events like that possible there were a 1870 02:43:30,040 --> 02:43:37,720 lot of really soaked but huge smiling faces on our fellow cvd cvrd employees 1871 02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:42,319 and myself that participated in that event so thank you and then also as the 1872 02:43:40,240 --> 02:43:48,560 lead course marshal for the burnt bridge classic uh I was able a lot of I was a 1873 02:43:45,240 --> 02:43:52,880 motorized lead so was good to see that um what staed to let users in the area 1874 02:43:51,120 --> 02:43:56,439 know that a race was on of course that's working with the organizers but that's a 1875 02:43:54,600 --> 02:44:01,439 significant event that takes significant cvrd resources so uh I didn't run into 1876 02:43:59,439 --> 02:44:07,240 any user conflicts or anything especially people not expecting to see a 1877 02:44:03,760 --> 02:44:11,160 a marshall on a motor bike so uh that from that standpoint that how you make 1878 02:44:08,960 --> 02:44:15,920 these events possible is great my question though is uh we're seeing it at 1879 02:44:13,840 --> 02:44:23,040 North cin and then now also here at the cvrd board do is it at a point where we 1880 02:44:19,960 --> 02:44:27,080 might need to revisit the um how we look at large events and more open to them 1881 02:44:25,359 --> 02:44:31,160 the reason I speak to that of course now for the third year the Belgian waffle 1882 02:44:28,479 --> 02:44:35,200 rid's coming back uh this is because of the work that laake cwi's done in the 1883 02:44:33,319 --> 02:44:38,920 Trailblazers they're going to have a new race there the coastal uh trail running 1884 02:44:37,560 --> 02:44:43,479 series that's going to be the first of its kind out there this year and then 1885 02:44:41,160 --> 02:44:47,920 North CCH and on behalf of the organizers that do run the burnt bridge 1886 02:44:45,520 --> 02:44:53,359 classic are currently trying to bring the Canadian gravel bike Nationals to 1887 02:44:51,479 --> 02:44:58,399 the cin Valley for this year bringing it from Calgary which is a multi-million 1888 02:44:55,640 --> 02:45:02,120 dollar event so of course those using CBD assets do we need to look at our 1889 02:45:00,399 --> 02:45:08,000 policies a bit different as we're getting bigger and larger events that 1890 02:45:04,160 --> 02:45:12,680 utilize parks and trails uh of course bringing huge economic uh impact but 1891 02:45:10,439 --> 02:45:15,319 also are taking more staff resources to make them a 1892 02:45:17,479 --> 02:45:24,279 possibility chair wonderful question and certainly that will be covered off under 1893 02:45:22,240 --> 02:45:27,560 that uh policy uh that's currently being developed to be brought forward in the 1894 02:45:25,479 --> 02:45:32,160 near future because certainly staff are recognizing as well that the popularity 1895 02:45:30,120 --> 02:45:35,800 of parks and trails across the region not just for our local residents but 1896 02:45:33,880 --> 02:45:40,359 visitors coming to the region but also the ability to host events and 1897 02:45:37,600 --> 02:45:44,240 activities is growing and in some cases growing quite substantially and and how 1898 02:45:42,240 --> 02:45:49,560 do we manage all of that to maintain that balance between uh the the general 1899 02:45:46,760 --> 02:45:53,479 recreational use the ecological Integrity of our parks and Trail sites 1900 02:45:51,680 --> 02:45:58,160 but also recognize that that these larger events uh also bring some 1901 02:45:55,960 --> 02:46:02,520 prosperity to the region and and have a lot of spill out effect for other 1902 02:46:00,160 --> 02:46:06,000 businesses and activities that take place here as well so end of the day 1903 02:46:04,359 --> 02:46:10,800 it's it's it's a lot of positives but we need to uh find ways to approach it on a 1904 02:46:08,359 --> 02:46:14,960 bounced uh basis so good question and yes that'll be uh part of the work 1905 02:46:12,279 --> 02:46:14,960 that's being done right 1906 02:46:15,560 --> 02:46:19,279 now director mclinton 1907 02:46:19,560 --> 02:46:26,200 uh thank you chaired thank you staff it's great I certainly support wine in 1908 02:46:23,319 --> 02:46:32,680 the park and other similar activities uh um and also I'd like to 1909 02:46:30,080 --> 02:46:36,920 support director Wilson and his ideas around 1910 02:46:33,720 --> 02:46:41,840 volunteers and perhaps down the road uh there could be a notice of motion for 1911 02:46:39,000 --> 02:46:46,520 hiring a a volunteer coordinator if there's capacity issues within within 1912 02:46:44,520 --> 02:46:49,760 the parks um I know we've got a lot of people that love our communities and 1913 02:46:48,600 --> 02:46:57,160 they want want to get out there and help and it is happening but if I I think in 1914 02:46:53,439 --> 02:47:04,479 many especially electoral areas they're um I think there could 1915 02:46:58,640 --> 02:47:04,479 be uh we could better utilize our 1916 02:47:04,800 --> 02:47:11,680 volunteers director Wilson a close yeah thank um do we not already 1917 02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:16,920 have a volunteer coordinator that's what I thought 1918 02:47:14,760 --> 02:47:20,240 yeah yeah yeah no that's what I thought we've already got one I'll just I'll 1919 02:47:18,600 --> 02:47:27,319 just apply to that so my position is Parks volunteer coordinator um yeah 1920 02:47:24,359 --> 02:47:33,240 how however it is a split position so that's why both of these um parts of the 1921 02:47:30,040 --> 02:47:37,680 report come from me um and you can see the this the the attachment to do with 1922 02:47:36,160 --> 02:47:42,399 reservations and special events is quite large um and that that's again a 1923 02:47:39,840 --> 02:47:46,240 capacity issue um because there just the one person dealing with all the event 1924 02:47:44,640 --> 02:47:50,960 applications and picnic shelter reservations and field trips Etc as as 1925 02:47:48,880 --> 02:47:55,399 well as the volunteer program so there's a lot of um potential for growth but 1926 02:47:53,760 --> 02:47:59,980 capacity issues sort of hold us back a little bit cheriff you let me follow up 1927 02:47:57,800 --> 02:48:03,450 remove hang on I'm not finished oh [Laughter] 1928 02:48:03,560 --> 02:48:09,399 sorry was I didn't know that it had gone to you no no that that was just in the 1929 02:48:07,960 --> 02:48:12,920 side because you were more concentrated on your bottle of wine 1930 02:48:13,960 --> 02:48:24,880 um um is there anything that we can do apart from now your part-time is that 1931 02:48:21,520 --> 02:48:30,800 correct um the position's fulltime but the volunteer coordination is only like 1932 02:48:27,960 --> 02:48:36,439 half of what I do say Okay okay so is there anything that we can do to 1933 02:48:34,359 --> 02:48:41,080 increase the use of volunteers I'm going to keep on about this one so that make 1934 02:48:38,840 --> 02:48:45,600 it a real priority so that we can reduce the maintenance and asset management 1935 02:48:42,560 --> 02:48:49,760 cost because they are huge we've seen in the upcoming budget just how huge those 1936 02:48:47,800 --> 02:48:54,520 costs are there has to be something we can make a priority in order to use the 1937 02:48:52,319 --> 02:48:56,840 expertise the willingness to bring those costs 1938 02:48:58,000 --> 02:49:01,479 down Miss Miles 1939 02:49:03,040 --> 02:49:09,640 Wilson I I do see that Brian's giving me the eye so that he may have a a response 1940 02:49:08,319 --> 02:49:13,479 to this but I just wanted to remind as well that we are going to be taking a 1941 02:49:11,200 --> 02:49:18,239 look at the Strategic plan coming up and that would be a good opportunity for 1942 02:49:15,399 --> 02:49:24,239 directors to voice kind of perspectives and um kind of interest to look at 1943 02:49:21,200 --> 02:49:27,239 service levels in the organization um so that that we're we're in the in the 1944 02:49:25,680 --> 02:49:31,160 works in the planning stages of that session so I just wanted to make that 1945 02:49:28,680 --> 02:49:35,439 note that would be a good opportunity great thanks director 1946 02:49:33,600 --> 02:49:40,680 mclinton one the last word thank you chair i' just like to 1947 02:49:38,359 --> 02:49:45,439 slowly remove my foot from my mouth I I do 1948 02:49:41,600 --> 02:49:49,200 apologize as I was saying volunteer coordinator director Acton was writing 1949 02:49:47,600 --> 02:49:54,760 it down and I was having trouble reading it um I just I just to the point it is 1950 02:49:53,040 --> 02:49:58,000 more capacity I think is great I think you're I I know you're coordinating with 1951 02:49:56,479 --> 02:50:01,600 some of the folks in Sal a and the trails that are so I do know that 1952 02:50:00,520 --> 02:50:06,920 there's work being done with the volunteers it's just um I'm just in 1953 02:50:03,880 --> 02:50:13,120 support of sort of the the idea that uh director Wilson had so forgive me for 1954 02:50:10,279 --> 02:50:17,960 yeah for not knowing as knowing their correct titles uh thank you chair all 1955 02:50:16,160 --> 02:50:24,439 right so that concludes our reports we can now move on on to question period so 1956 02:50:21,520 --> 02:50:30,960 this is opportunity for offer the public uh chance to ask a question regarding um 1957 02:50:27,680 --> 02:50:34,520 the business of the CBD so we allow we allow up to 15 minutes and is comprised 1958 02:50:33,000 --> 02:50:38,520 of two parts the first reserve for questions directly through agenda items 1959 02:50:36,880 --> 02:50:43,319 and if there is time remaining questions maybe on a matter of public interest 1960 02:50:40,520 --> 02:50:46,800 related to severity jurisdiction each question is permitted to ask one 1961 02:50:45,000 --> 02:50:50,720 question plus one followup question related to the answer the the question 1962 02:50:49,000 --> 02:50:55,399 must truly be a question and not a statement of opinion or speech and 1963 02:50:53,080 --> 02:50:59,560 questioners must avoid personal references insinuations violent 1964 02:50:57,200 --> 02:51:05,439 offensive or disrespectful remarks about another person and unparliamentary 1965 02:51:03,000 --> 02:51:10,319 language thank you Mr chair Kim Bernard area B shaelin shanigan Lake I will have 1966 02:51:08,319 --> 02:51:14,520 two did you know questions to inject a little bit of levity and a little bit of 1967 02:51:12,080 --> 02:51:18,560 follow-up first of all did you know you have tremendous Community volunteer 1968 02:51:16,840 --> 02:51:21,640 assets right here in this room and following this meeting virtually I've 1969 02:51:19,920 --> 02:51:28,160 been in close contact with Mr Cliff Evans throughout the meeting today and 1970 02:51:24,399 --> 02:51:32,760 uh we both represent the Nice n i that's on my shirt today which is neighborly in 1971 02:51:31,239 --> 02:51:39,200 collaborative enthusiasm we are also that inul means 1972 02:51:36,720 --> 02:51:45,880 Nalan that we want to go forward in a good way together the the public in 1973 02:51:41,920 --> 02:51:51,040 volunteering and he um and staff as well and so I have huge thanks for Park staff 1974 02:51:48,120 --> 02:51:56,359 on a number of levels uh we do our annual Cleanup in the Parks we uh do all 1975 02:51:54,120 --> 02:52:01,760 kinds of things fieldwork Mr Cliff Evans has been teaching me how to gather data 1976 02:51:58,319 --> 02:52:09,359 in a very uh scientific way and to take the Pulse of our uh ecological assets 1977 02:52:05,359 --> 02:52:14,120 and I just think yeah that we uh my question is did you 1978 02:52:10,640 --> 02:52:18,680 know and and also my second question is uh did you know that the eopl report as 1979 02:52:16,359 --> 02:52:23,439 it was presented today both electronic Ally and in a printed copy I just 1980 02:52:20,520 --> 02:52:28,560 received actually cuts off in uh the last attachment on page 52 and so I'm 1981 02:52:26,600 --> 02:52:33,600 wondering could that please get fixed for the 1982 02:52:30,080 --> 02:52:37,680 EC yes so for the first question now we know so thank you and I I think we can 1983 02:52:35,520 --> 02:52:42,279 easily address the the the problem with the the report when it's refer when it's 1984 02:52:39,399 --> 02:52:47,800 presented at the ESC and the last question is did you know that uh when I 1985 02:52:45,279 --> 02:52:52,920 went to use the QR code for the newest survey the community satisfaction survey 1986 02:52:50,720 --> 02:52:56,760 the very first gatekeeping question is do you have a member of your household 1987 02:52:54,319 --> 02:53:00,840 that works for cvd parks and once again I want to thank the cvrd park staff for 1988 02:52:58,880 --> 02:53:05,160 mentoring my son as a gatekeeper this last three years but unfortunately it 1989 02:53:02,720 --> 02:53:09,359 means that I can't participate in the survey did you 1990 02:53:07,080 --> 02:53:14,399 know now we do thank you thank you for all your hard work 1991 02:53:11,600 --> 02:53:17,439 let's get to lunch thanks any other members of the public with a question 1992 02:53:16,120 --> 02:53:21,800 for the committee all right so we can now move 1993 02:53:19,520 --> 02:53:29,840 on to the Clos session and just to the interest of time um staff have suggested 1994 02:53:24,200 --> 02:53:34,479 we can refer items CR csr1 and csr2 to the closed board meeting later this 1995 02:53:32,000 --> 02:53:38,880 afternoon moved is there a second or seconded all in favor and opposed not 1996 02:53:37,279 --> 02:53:43,960 opposed motion carries that concludes our business got to get a motion to 1997 02:53:40,120 --> 02:53:48,520 adjourn moved seconded all in favor and oppose this meeting is adjourned