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Good evening. Welcome to the September 3rd, 2026 City Commission meeting. Like to call the meeting to order, and we'll start with our invocation moment of silence and pledge of allegiance with Jen. Can you take us with that?

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Okay, I just want to add to that, you know, our thoughts, continuing thoughts, go to Glen

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Hackworth, Maddie Hackworth, Bob's daughter, and Bobby Hackworth, his son, and of course

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he has three grandchildren too, so they're all dealing with the surprising loss pretty

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quick.

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So okay, we're going to go to, we need to, we had Vice Mayor Walker and Commissioner

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to guard.

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We're not at the past Tuesday workshop and I want to ask for motion for excuse

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absences.

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All for good reasons that they couldn't make.

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So moved.

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Okay.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Motion passes unanimously.

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Okay.

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And we're going to go to presentations and we have an artist recognition.

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Richard Logan and I'm going to turn it to Nicole and Elizabeth.

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evening Mayor, Vice Mayor Commission, Nicole Delfino, Strategy and Sustainability Manager here today to recognize the city commission chamber artist for this semi-annual display.

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So I'm actually going to pass it over to Elizabeth Brinkle, the city's art consultant to introduce the artist.

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Go over little details about the artwork here.

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Good evening Mayor, Vice Mayor, commissioners, staff.

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Thanks so much for the opportunity to introduce the artist

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for the current exhibition here in Dineen City Hall,

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running through December, 2020, 2006.

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Artist Richard Logan has the distinction

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of being a featured artist in the Takatori Yaki Gallery

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in Fuco, Fuco, Oka.

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Japan, Japan, Duncan McLean Gallery, the Florida Craft Art Gallery, American Strategic Insurance, and

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Bright House Networks in St. Petersburg, Florida.

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Mr. Logan's works have been exhibited in galleries across the U.S. He has completed large-scale

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commissions for city buildings, including a commission in Dunedin City Hall, Caladiseum.

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and numerous projects for local private and non-profit organizations.

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His work is collected throughout the United States, Canada, Australia, and Europe.

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Richard's pre-Columbian exhibit will be here in the City Hall until December 2026.

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And I emphasize that because on September 10th, from 6 to 730 p.m.

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And artists talk with light refreshments.

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We'll be here in the chamber.

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We'll talk with Richard about his inspiration, his process,

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along with learning more about him as a practicing artist.

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The public is very much invited to attend.

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And at this time, it's my pleasure to welcome

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artist Richard Logan.

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Thank you very much.

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And it's an honor to be here.

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I mean, there's lovely building, the space

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that you've created for artists just fantastic.

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You want to tell us a little bit more about yourself for, and then we've got a few questions for you too, so you don't have to say a lot, we've got some questions for you.

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I've always loved art, my parents told me I had to do something to make money, so actually I got my degree in architecture, but then decided that wasn't what I wanted to do and just started doing art, and so that's kind of what I've been doing.

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Are you making any money?

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Yes.

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I'm not a starving artist.

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So.

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But we've had a few questions for you.

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I'm going to start over with Vice Mayor.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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You know, the thing that I always find really interesting,

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you know, about the beautiful work that you all do is...

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Is your process? And can you kind of talk a little bit about your creative process?

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The creative process, it's varied. I mean, where the inspiration comes from, you never know.

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These particular pieces, the process was kind of combining the kind of pre-cumbian art with nature, which that's all part of pre-cumbian civilizations.

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The actual process is it's a photograph that's transferred on to the metal and then I do etched glass over the top of it and that's kind of that process.

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But I get bored and I work in a lot of different meetings, so it just kind of depends on what inspires me.

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Well, I think that's amazing. Thank you.

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Mr. Stammer.

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So, I know most of the people in this room, when you walk away tonight, what do you want them

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to walk away thinking of you, trying to understand you and what you bring to us?

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What would you explain to the people behind you?

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Oh, wow.

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You know, it's a matter of trying to bring these particular pieces kind of a beauty and a vision

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of tying together different civilizations with the present, and how we work together.

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And just hopefully it inspires people to think about things differently.

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Didn't I see on your website? Was it someone from ZZ Top?

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Actually, that piece was I was at an architectural salvage place and I saw this piece of wood and I said oh, there's a person with a beard.

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I like that let's create it.

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Yeah, so that's where that come from.

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Mr. Go.

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Any questions, sir?

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Yes, ma'am.

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Of all the pictures that you have on Expeared Pieces of the Barton, I'm sorry not pictures.

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Is there one that speaks to you a little more strongly or is there a particular favorite that you have and why?

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You mean of this series?

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Actually probably the King Pocough.

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Just because...

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And for the which one is that?

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It's the one right in the middle.

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That one is a little more involved, the process.

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It's what we call stage carved glass, and so it's done in layers.

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So it's not just a plain etching.

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It's carved into the glass.

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And it's just kind of, I like people.

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So that's probably what out of this series is the one

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that I like the most.

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Very good.

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Mr. DeGard.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Is your work exclusively in pre-Columbian, or is this just a second?

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No, this is just a series.

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A lot of my work has been, has dealt with music or jazz and people.

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I use music as, while I'm working, and sometimes it's inspiration.

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for new pieces and new ideas.

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And is Edge Glass kind of a focus for you?

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Edge Glass, it's something that it's a focus.

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No, it's not.

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I've done a lot of it, but I also do cast glass.

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I do oil paintings.

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I work in wood.

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I work in multiple mediums.

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So, this seems to be a big portion of what I've been doing lately, is the Edge Glass,

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and that was thanks to Duncan McClillan.

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He gave me the first residency to start adding glass to my work, so that's where that came

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That takes a lot of discipline.

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It's very painstaking.

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Yes, it's time consuming and when you're working with glass glasses, as you know it breaks.

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Yeah, how much glass did you go through to get through these five pieces?

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Actually, I didn't break in it.

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This was a funny question.

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One of the theories that didn't break anything.

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It's amazing with glass.

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So I've just barely touched it and it's shattered and I've dropped it and you don't see

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any mark.

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So, you know, the glass is kind of a kind of amazing material, which you can't really necessarily rely on.

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What were you hoping the viewer would feel when they saw this were?

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I was hoping they would have some kind of reflection of, you know,

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pre-Columbian other civilizations and think about how it relates to our growth

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And how they dealt with nature, and that was a big part of their living and philosophy,

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and how we should probably do this and think about it this the same.

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It's beautiful.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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work, what was your true inspiration?

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They put inspired it?

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I was actually down in the Selby Gardens

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and was taking the pictures.

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And that's where the photographs on the back came from.

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And it was just kind of watching the little creatures

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that move around within the lizards,

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The spiders, you know, the birds and everything that move around within Selby Gardens.

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So that was kind of kind of where it really came from.

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Oh, that's great.

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Well, Richard, we just wanted to thank you for sharing your art with the citizens of Dunedin

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in the Citizens House.

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So to speak, and it's very appreciated, and thanks for all you do.

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I'm glad you decided not to do architecture, decided to do art.

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Thank you.

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Well, thank you.

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And I want to thank you also for allowing me to be here.

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And let's get a picture with you, up front here.

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Thank you very much.

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So before we go to the next, the next proclamation,

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I did want to kind of take a discussion for me as mayor.

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Claudia, could you stand up just for a minute?

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Claudia?

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Well, recently this lady, I won't say what birthday it was,

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had a birthday and she does so much for our community I missed the event but it looked like a lot of fun

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just wanted thank you and say happy birthday so yeah

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okay we're going to go to National

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Constitution Week Proclamation September 17 through 23rd, 2026 I'm going to turn that over to

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Vice Mayor well thank you Mayor you know it is it's truly an honor to be able to read this

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proclamation and I just want to thank all the veteran community the veteran organizations that showed

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up today to honor this. I would like the daughter's the American Revolution to come on up.

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So this is a pretty special year because we marked 250 years of the Declaration of Independence.

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And what I want to do is just provide a real brief distinction between the drafting of the

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institution and the Declaration of Independence.

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Interestingly, it was the daughter's

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the American Revolution, the petition Congress in 1955 to set aside this week, and ultimately

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President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed it in the public law on August 2nd, 1956. And, you

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know, one of the things that I enjoy about this is because, you know, like you, I have a passion

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for our heritage. I became a member of the Sun's

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of the American Revolution this year and, you know,

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it's, it was truly a proud moment.

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So with that said, I want to read this

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proclamation, National Constitution Week,

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we're as September 17th, 2026.

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Marks the 239th anniversary of the drafting of the Constitution of the United States of America by the constitutional convention in Philadelphia, and whereas it is fitting in proper to accord official recognition to this magnificent document and its memorable anniversary and to the patriotic celebrations which will commemorate the occasion.

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And whereas throughout America's history, in times of turmoil and peace, liberty and oppression

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are faith in the Constitution's promise of freedom and democracy has been a steadfast

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rock of national stability against the raging seas of political change.

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And whereas to this day, the Caladisi chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution

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continues to encourage public awareness of the historic significance of this milestone in

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nation's heritage. Now therefore I, Robert James Walker, by virtue of the authority vested in me,

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by the mayor of the great city of Deniedon Florida, and on behalf of the entire city commission,

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do hereby proclaim the period of September 17th to September 23rd, 2026,

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as National Constitution Week in Deniedon. And urge all citizens to join with the

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large-op chapters across America in honoring and recalling the importance of our rights

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under the Constitution by public display of our nation flag during national Constitution

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week.

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Good evening, Mayor and commissioners.

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As the cornerstone of our freedoms, the Constitution of the United States of America

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was written to protect every American from the abuse of power by government.

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Without restraint, the excesses of political power would cause our republic to perish.

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This guardian of liberties established our republic as a self-governing nation dedicated to rule by law.

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Government would be the servant and not the master of the people.

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We'd laud the achievements of those courageous men who 250 years ago struggled to balance

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a limited government with the rights, privileges, and the responsibilities of American citizenship.

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We, the people, speaks volumes.

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Candle D.C. Chapter D.A.R. encourages our citizens to honor their staunch courage and

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wise counsel by studying this great document.

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On that note, we invite everyone to visit our display at the Dunning Public Library this

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month.

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It will be up during the whole month.

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And thank you for helping the daughters of the American Revolution promote awareness of

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Our nation's greatest document and the Call of DC chapters proud to present you with the

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Constitution flag to fly over city hall.

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September 17th.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And we need to get a picture.

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Let's give you a hand.

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We're going to hold up the flag maybe?

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That's great.

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Is that idea city manager, family?

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And I don't know.

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But she comes out.

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She comes out.

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She comes out.

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Maybe one of those is a good thing.

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It works.

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It's a great idea.

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That's like a good idea.

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I know enough.

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Can they show them the beans?

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I got the call once in life.

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You get the call.

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I don't know.

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That's a bad time.

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Okay.

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Perfect.

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Okay, ready?

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Two, three.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Next time, commissioner, San Bergen just have to have your heels on, maybe.

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You have to have your heels on, next time, will you? Okay.

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Pretty good for wearing flats. Yeah, exactly.

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You know, so many thoughts. Okay, and our next one, the very important one, which is a day to

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remember proclamation, I'm going to turn that over to commissioner Douglar.

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Thank you, mayor. Before I read this block proclamation, I'm going to ask every

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in the room to just reflect on where they were on 9-11 when they discovered the tragedy we

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experienced that day. Just take a moment.

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Excellent. Thank you.

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We are as the unprovoked attacks

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on September 11, 2001 upon America. By foreign terrorists have thrust the United States and other

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countries into a war it never envisioned militarily or diplomatically. Whereas the challenges

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facing all civilized people of the world as they relate to war on terrorism will not

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end until those fanatics responsible or eliminated or brought to justice. And whereas America

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is fully committed to ensuring our freedoms, remain unfettered and sovereign for all generations

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now and forever. And whereas world opinion needs to remain focused upon the eradication

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of these inhumane acts perpetuated around the globe, and we're as one way to accomplish

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this is to never forget that those innocent victims did not die in vain.

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And we're as America can fight back by reminding the world that the deaths of these people

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will always be remembered, and that they will be forever loved and we're as a noble and

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appropriate way to accomplish this is through the annual celebration of their living.

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And whereas this commemoration should be conducted each September 11th throughout the land

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to include the promotion of global peace and goodwill, the demonstration of America's resolve

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and perseverance to win the war on terrorism, the advancement of responsible citizenship,

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The encouragement of patriotism and love of country, and the poignant remembrance of those innocent victims who died,

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September 11th, as heroes, one and all.

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Now, either for Tom Dugard, by the virtue of the authority vested in me from the mayor of the City of Dunede and Florida,

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and on behalf of the entire City Commission, do hereby issue this proclamation to memorialize those men, women, and children who lost their lives.

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be a further proclaim that this proclamation will be

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publicized for all to see and know that these

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citizens of Deniedon remember with eternal

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respect those whose lives were suddenly without

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cause pointlessly taken from them on September 11, 2001.

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May they forever rest in peace and abide in our

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memories. Thank you.

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We actually have two recipients of

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one is from the American Legion, Kelly and the whole group, Kelly, if you want to come forward and also our chief with all our first responders and each of you feel comfortable making some comments.

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Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioner of City Manager.

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I want to thank you for this proclamation and taking a time to recognize this historic 25th anniversary of the 911 attacks.

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We remember the 343 firefighters along with the law enforcement officers, EMS personnel, and

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the first responders in civilian two-hawster lives that day.

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On behalf of Dunnington Fire Rescue, we want to thank you for honoring their sacrifice and continuing

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to support the men and women who serve our community as well.

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We will never forget.

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We would also like to make sure that we invite everybody to join us here at City Hall on

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September 11th for a remembrance ceremony in the morning.

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Thank you.

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What time is that going to be exactly?

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Starts 840.

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Hey, 40.

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Okay.

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Thank you, Mayor Franny and Commissioners for this proclamation.

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I accepted on behalf of the American Legion.

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This being the 25th anniversary.

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This definitely is something that we know that we can...

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Never ever forget. We can never let this happen again to our land. We must remember that we are free and we must support and think about the people that did sacrifice their lives for this. The first responders, the families that no longer are families and just keep in memory and never let this pass. It's unfortunate it's 25 years. Thank you.

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We want to do a picture with everybody. So maybe Kelly and Chief, you guys can be in the middle and then have your groups right there.

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and whatever suit tells you to do real.

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Thank you to the Legion and to our first responders.

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And yes, I'm sure most people in this room.

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Remember where they were that day, and it was a horrible day.

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And so we don't ever want to have a day like that again.

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OK, we're going to go to citizen input.

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Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak on a topic

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that is not on the agenda?

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OK, David?

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Name and address for the record in three minutes.

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I will, Mayor.

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Thank you.

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My name is David Ballard.

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at a junior, I live on Georgia Avenue in Palm Harbor.

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I frequently attend meetings at the Tampa Bay Water Authority, which is headquartered just

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up the street.

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This diagram is a pie chart displaying their capital outlay of annual expenses of what it

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costs to upkeep their yearly budget.

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The largest slice of the pie in this chart, two-thirds of their budget pays interest rates to a bond debt paying perpetual interest to an ever-growing bond market,

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subjecting us to an ever-growing debt maintaining interest payments to a contrived bond market.

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Slowly and surely and ultimately, at some point in time, this ever-growing debt will

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place us in perpetual bondage for water access, claiming that water is now a privilege.

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The diagram shows there is very little capital outlay for other matters, other than paying

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debt to such third party invocations.

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If the bond market, as contrived and invoked, was held null and void, neutralized, as

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based on the 14th Amendment, there would be ample amounts of money for other needs such

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as infrastructure.

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Now should the city and the county governments be operating on the same principle, maintaining

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and ever growing bond debt, neutralizing the interest rates to such contrived bond source

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would serve to free up money that could be used properly for library and parks and other

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infrastructure needs throughout the city. Thank you.

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Thank you, David. Anyone else in the audience wish to come forward and speak to a

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that is not on the agenda. Okay, see no one. I will close citizen input. I'm going to go to the

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consent agenda. And so we have two A. Approved the minutes for July 9, 2026 regular meeting.

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July 21, 2026 budget workshop. Two B is important committee appointments and we have one to

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denine cause away in coastal waterways committee. And we have two to local planning agency.

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to see City of Deniedon and Ford Penels in a local agreement for planning and mapping service

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into our special work project or project work.

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2D Award of bid number 26-26-19 for the production well drilling services project to FTE.

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E Drilling USA Inc. In the amount of 326,672 dollars and 50 cents, and approved for the amendment to the agreement.

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To E, indemnification and hold harmless agreement for the use of City of Penelas Park Fire Training Facility. To F after the fact ratification of an emergency purchase order issued to Guardian Equipment Inc.

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for the emergency replacement of 2, 4,600 gallon sodium,

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hypochlorite, which is bleach, tanks,

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and installation of the wastewater treatment plant

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in an amount not to exceed $95,985 dollars.

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Is anyone wish to pull anything off of the consent agenda?

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2D questions and clarification.

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Anyone else?

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OK, so minus 2D can I have a motion for the rest

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of the consent agenda?

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So moved.

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Second.

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Okay.

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And is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak on any of the items that I just

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walk through?

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Okay.

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Seeing no one, I'll close public input.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Motion passes unanimously.

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Okay.

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And we have one poll, which is the 2D on production, well-drilling services.

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So just a question or a full.

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Just a couple of questions.

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I don't need a presentation.

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And it's a question's inclerification.

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$326,000 is that it?

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No upgrades of electrical fencing lights.

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We're not have to come back to these people

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and tell them anymore, right?

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This is for the actual drilling of the well.

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We do have to also bit out the above-ground pertinences

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like the piping and the electrical and the controls

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and its rotation as well.

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So $326,000 plus any idea what we're looking at then?

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another three hundred four hundred thousand dollars okay I see there's also another

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well nearby well these proximity to these two have any effect on each other I mean

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are they drilling is one deeper than the other but just make me they are the same

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depth so the city that didn't oh by the way I'm out of the city engineer

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Good evening, Mayor Vice Mayor Staff, I am the...

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So we have 29 wills throughout the city all 29 do not run at the same time.

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We like to give some rest and others.

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We operate from about 12 to 16, 17 wells at a given time.

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These two wells are nearly parked.

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We'll not run at the same time unless it is a emergency.

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That's pretty much all I wanted to hear. I had a feeling there'd be more money and

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Just want to make sure that they didn't even pee down each other, so that's all I had mayor. Thank you. Okay, anyone else have questions about it?

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Do you know mine?

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Go ahead. You mentioned 29 wells and so this will be number 30. Correct. This is the 30th well. Okay, and what are some of the decisions that go into

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deciding whether or not we need a new well?

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So, this, this, well itself, is spurred more from our need to have a resilient wealth field.

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As we found out during Hurricane Haleen, Milton, we are a coastal city.

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Some wells do get submerged from storm surge and also some wells lose power.

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So, we looked up two ways to make our wealth a more resilient.

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We got with a consultant WSP.

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they identified for well field sites on city owned properties already that we

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can install a new well. We picked the Emberley Park because it is more high

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and dry. It is Emberley Park because right behind our water plant, 50 odd feet above

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sea level. Also, it already has sufficient power. As I mentioned, this is a well across

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the park. Duke Energy also recently completed a power electrical grid hardening

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Project, an airplane part, there's that new above ground, a

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transformer, so the power supply there is more hardened to storms as well.

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And we already know this is a good location for the hydrogeological, because we already have a well there as well.

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Okay, and you hear all the time from the residents, as soon as they see a new development,

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as soon as they see something new, more people coming in, oh my gosh, it's not enough water for us,

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What are we going to do? Is this any reflection on population increase? Is there any negative impact to

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the current?

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Underground water supply that we have this this well and itself is not to increase our capacity

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It is not to increase our flow to the water and plant. It is only to provide a more resilient well field and to actually give

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portion of our aquifer a rest

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Because we don't want to continually pumping from one area. That's how a well goes dead. And you can't

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put for any more. So, as actually going to benefit Arcafer as a whole, because we're giving some areas

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of rest. And because we're a coastal community and during the last hurricanes, we had some of our

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wells get wet, as you mentioned. Correct. Does that water intrusion into those wells, is that

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contaminates that ruin the well or can the well come back from something like that? I think it was

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because of salt water or something, I could be incorrect.

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I mean, it's more of not necessarily the well being

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indicted because a lot of the electrical components

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is more of that, where you lose power

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because of the water getting near that of those components.

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So it's also just one, there's only,

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we have about two or three that are really,

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and that's in that areas, so it's more like you said,

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trying to move our wells locations farther away

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and farther up so we don't have those issues.

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It's not like the well was contaminated with sea water,

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It's just, you know, we got near so we turn them off.

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All right, and this again, this will be number 30.

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Is there a maximum that we came have want to have?

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So we have only four more well-sized permitted through Swift Mud,

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and this is going to take one of those away.

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It's going to be a special well-site.

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So after this, we'll only have three more sites permitted to us.

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All right, thank you.

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That's all I have here.

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Yeah, Mr. Sanberg, Mr. Garard.

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But if you're a guard, I'm sorry, yo, yeah, you're a judge.

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How do we measure the resource available in the aquifer, is there pressure measurement

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and the recharge rate?

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I'd like to know about that as well.

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So when we have to go and get this permit for a well site, we do have to do a whole hydrogen

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biological modeling of our aquifer that we draw from, and then we work with Swift Mud to

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which is the southwest Florida Water Management District, and we work for them to come up with

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what our capacity is, what the well can produce. It's limits at a service peak, so that is

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done through Swift Mud, and Swift Mud looks, obviously looks as a whole entire region in the aquifer.

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So what is our status, are we lowering our status capability? What is it? Do we measure

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that particular aspect? How much water's down there? That's a good question. I can only

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tell you that we are nowhere near our upper limits of our permit, and we are nowhere near

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our upper limits that we can draw from. We want to keep our aquifer a healthy, and we don't

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want to draw too much at all. So, adding the

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3rd well, like I said, is only to provide a

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relief to some of our other areas that we

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draw from. And the depth is of these wells.

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This one is proposed to be around 240 to 280 feet down.

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00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,900
And how long does it take for water to charge into that aquifer?

475
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:06,940
Do we know that? In other words, when it comes down, it is

476
00:38:06,940 --> 00:38:09,120
recharge by surface water, correct? Correct.

477
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:16,800
Okay. And we know the charge rate over time. I will have to get back to you on that one.

478
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,560
I'm going to share. I do not know. Three charge rate of time.

479
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,920
Well, permits one thing and I get that, but then also recharge rates, something else altogether.

480
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:26,780
So, thank you very much.

481
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:28,700
Nice mirror. Any questions?

482
00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:31,300
No mirror.

483
00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:35,220
Okay. I know the audience was really excited about this topic.

484
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,020
I think it's out.

485
00:38:36,020 --> 00:38:40,140
I'm going to go to a question for toilet, thank you Steve for pulling.

486
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:42,840
All right.

487
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,900
Can I have a motion to approve?

488
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:46,020
So move a second.

489
00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:47,020
Whoa.

490
00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:47,440
Okay.

491
00:38:47,540 --> 00:38:47,840
Wait a minute.

492
00:38:47,860 --> 00:38:48,700
A lot was going on there.

493
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,940
I'm going to take commissioner's hamburger second.

494
00:38:51,140 --> 00:38:52,160
You're picking that.

495
00:38:52,540 --> 00:38:53,380
You get second?

496
00:38:55,980 --> 00:38:58,200
He pulled it so I'll give it in the right to that.

497
00:38:58,260 --> 00:38:58,520
Okay.

498
00:38:58,540 --> 00:38:59,040
All in favor.

499
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:00,100
All right.

500
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,820
I, any post.

501
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,260
Motion passed unanimously.

502
00:39:04,060 --> 00:39:04,300
Okay.

503
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,760
and we will go to our action item.

504
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,640
Thank you, Clay and Alex.

505
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:13,180
I'm liking the purple Alex, they just have to say it.

506
00:39:14,420 --> 00:39:17,920
Okay, second reading of ordinance 26-08,

507
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:19,660
an ordinance amending the city of the need

508
00:39:19,660 --> 00:39:21,700
and code of ordinances to prohibit launching,

509
00:39:22,020 --> 00:39:24,440
motorized watercraft from the Dining Causeway Beach

510
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,780
to protect the shoreline,

511
00:39:26,020 --> 00:39:27,880
reduce negative environmental impacts

512
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,760
and reduce overall user safety.

513
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,380
Jen, could you please read Ordinance 26-08 by Title O'Nlay?

514
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:40,020
Yes, Ordinance 26-08 in Ordinance of the City of Dunnean, Florida, I'm ending the city

515
00:39:40,020 --> 00:39:44,780
of Dunnean code of Ordinances to prohibit launching a motorized watercraft from the

516
00:39:44,780 --> 00:39:48,580
Dunnean causeway beach to protect the shoreline reduce negative environmental impacts,

517
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,880
and improve overall user safety providing for applicability, and several ability

518
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,600
providing for conflict, providing for convocation, providing for an effective date.

519
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,900
that was ordinance 26-08 read by title only.

520
00:40:00,370 --> 00:40:02,410
Okay, can I have a motion?

521
00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:04,990
Some of a second.

522
00:40:05,110 --> 00:40:07,770
Okay, motion in a second.

523
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:10,930
In Stap presentation, Tony in the corner.

524
00:40:11,650 --> 00:40:13,770
So I'm sorry, you did say you wanted to kick it off.

525
00:40:14,090 --> 00:40:16,310
Yeah, I made this very much very appreciate that.

526
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:23,150
And I wanted to just give you an overview of kind of established the framework of where we are this evening.

527
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:26,190
In regards to ordinance 26-0-8.

528
00:40:26,190 --> 00:40:36,010
This is the second reading of the amendment as the mayor of mentioned prohibiting motorized water craft from launching or landing on the DIN cause way bridge.

529
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:43,990
The Anano staff's going to talk a little bit about this during the course of their presentation, but this has been a controversial subject.

530
00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:52,230
And so the first public hearing was we had many welcome visitors who gave you a lot of testimony regarding their position.

531
00:40:52,770 --> 00:41:00,590
We've had a lot of emails regarding this particular subject and I know that as you go about your day you've heard from your constituents as well.

532
00:41:00,930 --> 00:41:08,550
And so there's been a lot of input into this particular amendment to the code of ordinances and not just during the course of the public hearings.

533
00:41:09,490 --> 00:41:16,370
So where this all began was on December 9th of 2025, the Dunning Causeway in Coastal Waterway Committee submitted a memorandum.

534
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:21,090
to the City Commission and to myself a city manager, recommending that the City Commission

535
00:41:21,090 --> 00:41:27,010
act to prohibit launch and operation of motorized watercraft on the Deniedon Causeway.

536
00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:35,510
That memo is in your agenda package as Exhibit E was a very well drafted memo in my opinion.

537
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:42,210
But the rationale for that memo was stated in a quote, this recommendation arises from

538
00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:47,370
documented safety hazards, environmental degradation, and conflicts between incompatible uses

539
00:41:47,370 --> 00:41:50,090
along this unique public coastal corridor.

540
00:41:50,670 --> 00:41:55,670
And I do want to point out that the Canadian cause and coastal waterway committee is a citizen

541
00:41:55,670 --> 00:42:00,690
group of residents of the city of the Canadian, who are appointed by the City Commission,

542
00:42:00,870 --> 00:42:03,530
and they acted in a advisory capacity to the City Commission.

543
00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:07,650
So I think there is some misunderstanding as to the purpose of that committee.

544
00:42:07,650 --> 00:42:17,090
And in fact, making a recommendation, as they did, is part of their task and their charge by the city commission.

545
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:26,470
So in the Arabian period, then the county has been working with a city regarding some traffic circulation patterns on the causeway.

546
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:33,950
And the county has been restoring the area to pre-herricane conditions, and there was quite a bit of damage, as you know, on that portion of the causeway.

547
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:39,590
And so as re-opening the causeway became imminent, it was time for us to take up an address

548
00:42:39,590 --> 00:42:43,470
that an in-caused way and cause a lot of way committees recommendation.

549
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:51,090
So, and that was essentially what we didn't want to do is open the causeway and have motorized watercraft there,

550
00:42:51,310 --> 00:42:56,950
without addressing the cause, the committees recommendation and then bringing it to the city commission

551
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:59,130
and then closing it down again from motorized watercraft.

552
00:42:59,990 --> 00:43:02,870
So, it was a logical progression as to how we got here this evening.

553
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:09,610
So, staff did our research, we spoke to the Dean Causeway in Coastal Waterway Committee.

554
00:43:10,110 --> 00:43:23,070
An angelized second of 2026, the City Commission provided consensus direction to staff after a presentation, to move forward with an ordinance prohibiting motorized watercraft from launching or landing on the causeway.

555
00:43:23,610 --> 00:43:32,610
It's important to note that this is a amendment to the code of ordinances, and there is a very robust public hearing and public notification process.

556
00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:39,090
that is, excuse me, incorporated within any sort of amendment to the code of ordinances.

557
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:43,690
There are two publicly advertised public hearings.

558
00:43:44,590 --> 00:43:47,490
The first one was in July 23rd of 2026.

559
00:43:48,250 --> 00:43:53,390
And that was when the City Commission by a vote of 4 to 0 approved first reading of that ordinance.

560
00:43:54,230 --> 00:44:02,210
You heard a lot of testimony during the course of that ordinance from those who are in favor and those who are opposed to adoption of this ordinance.

561
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:13,190
But, again, I point out that the public hearing is very important, and we have a number of people here, this evening who I'm sure we're going to speak to the City Commission, but also what you hear from your constituents in the intervening period.

562
00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:20,790
You're not guided simply by majority at the meeting versus of minority, you are guided by all the input that you received from your constituents.

563
00:44:21,830 --> 00:44:29,550
So, the first public hearing was July 23rd of 2026, and that was publicly advertised in the Tampa Bay Times under July 5th of 2026.

564
00:44:30,430 --> 00:44:35,890
Tonight is a second public hearing and if the City Commission adopts this ordinance, it would be effective immediately.

565
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:41,170
This was publicly advertised on August 28 of 2026 as well.

566
00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:46,490
So publicly advertised, second public hearing of this ordinance you've heard a great deal.

567
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:55,590
You've had a great deal of input from those who are proponents of the ban on most motorized watercraft and those who are not.

568
00:44:55,590 --> 00:44:58,430
And so I'm going to go ahead and hand it over to staff.

569
00:44:58,610 --> 00:44:59,970
They might repeat some of the information I just...

570
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,640
This gave you, if had they probably will, but I just wanted to be able to frame this for you this evening. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Don't need to go.

571
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:17,740
Good evening, Commission Mayor, vice mayor, members of the public, Tony Mulkey, Parks and Recreation Director, City of Dunning.

572
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:25,540
We're here tonight for the second public hearing for this ordinance, and I think city manager

573
00:45:25,540 --> 00:45:30,300
characterized the domain points in the process of how we got here, so we'd like to briefly

574
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:35,280
go through and just kind of refresh everybody's memory in the public that it may not be as

575
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:35,640
aware.

576
00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:43,180
Good evening again.

577
00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:44,320
I got some feedback.

578
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,160
Nicole Delphino, Australia and Sustainability Manager, we're just going to again briefly

579
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,200
go over this presentation that was shared with you back in July.

580
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:58,620
But take a look at the, the cause way, the history of the background, what the current

581
00:45:58,620 --> 00:46:03,540
environment is, some of those benefits to the environment, what we've heard from from

582
00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:09,460
Panels County, as well as really understanding the difference between the north and the south

583
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:11,620
side, as far as the county ordinance goes.

584
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:17,020
And then of course, our recommendations and any questions that you may have.

585
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:26,120
So, you've seen this a few times now, but as far as the history of the Dunning Causeway, it was built in 1963.

586
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:34,120
It is open today for recreational activities from 5 a.m. to 11 p.m.

587
00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:41,960
We have a number of key dates that we wanted to share even as far back as 1990 when the city commission

588
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:48,340
a tentatively band launching at that point, and then moving on from there, several studies

589
00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:54,080
that were conducted in regards to the causeway, the environmental impacts of the causeway

590
00:46:54,080 --> 00:47:03,760
in 2005, 2012, 2014, and then moving into 2019, we'll discuss this a little bit more

591
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:10,620
on specifics in regards to the county ordinance, which restricts usage on the north side, and

592
00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:16,140
And of course, as we all know, following the storms in 2024, the pretty much the entire

593
00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:21,500
causeway was closed down, but specifically the south side closed as far as any kind

594
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:22,440
of launching or activity.

595
00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:25,560
In 2025, we heard from Penels County.

596
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,680
They came and presented to the commission on modifying the circulation of the causeway for safety

597
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:31,340
concerns.

598
00:47:31,580 --> 00:47:40,600
They had presented in the past as well to address circulation so as to prevent interactions

599
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:46,540
between pedestrians and vehicles, and so that recommendation was made to modify the circulation,

600
00:47:47,340 --> 00:47:55,860
which was done in 2025. And then in 2026, the Penelis County completed, it is complete.

601
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:02,220
The Beach Re-Nourishment Project for the causeway to help with the storm damage in the erosion

602
00:48:02,220 --> 00:48:03,120
that took place.

603
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:14,500
All right, a brief overview of the current ordinance in chapter 14 is the

604
00:48:16,620 --> 00:48:20,180
designation of different use areas along the causeway.

605
00:48:20,340 --> 00:48:23,400
The causeway is a gateway to Honeymoon Island and Caled DC.

606
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,240
Our Honeymoon and Caled DC Island state parks.

607
00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:30,300
It's an active recreation space as well as a transportation corridor.

608
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:36,100
The causeway is separated out as was mentioned.

609
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,160
The north side is managed slightly differently by the county.

610
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:45,360
It's an area that has prohibited motorized watercraft for an extended time.

611
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,620
On the south side, the area is divided into three different sections.

612
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:56,380
The furthest west is a area that is allowed for non-motorized watercraft launching, a shore

613
00:48:56,380 --> 00:48:56,760
launching.

614
00:48:57,580 --> 00:49:05,980
The central section of the the Cosway Beach is a non-watercraft area and then the west

615
00:49:05,980 --> 00:49:12,160
or excuse me, east section closest to the channel is the area that has been traditionally

616
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,160
used for motorized watercraft use.

617
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,680
Now, this area is not a developed launch site or a boat ramp.

618
00:49:20,180 --> 00:49:21,240
It is from shore.

619
00:49:21,620 --> 00:49:29,240
It's about 1,000 feet of shore launching in 1,000 feet that is impacted by this proposed

620
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:29,620
change.

621
00:49:33,610 --> 00:49:38,270
This is essentially just a graphic that's actually posted out there on the county signs on

622
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:41,010
the north side of the road.

623
00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:47,010
And this kind of just shows in a little different graphical form of the non-motorized

624
00:49:47,010 --> 00:49:51,410
watercraft, the watercraft and the motorized watercraft zones.

625
00:49:57,450 --> 00:49:59,470
Again, just showing what the county

626
00:49:59,470 --> 00:49:59,970
ordinance is.

627
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,180
It is as far as that's applicable and posted out there on the north side of the causeway with attention

628
00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:11,800
on seagrass preservation. That's part of their decision-making on prohibiting motorized

629
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:12,960
watercraft through that area.

630
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,780
And a lot of the discussion around this has been the benefits

631
00:50:20,780 --> 00:50:27,240
to the environment. The committees and other groups that have reached out amongst our

632
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:34,480
or Dunedian residents have brought forward the Seagrass protection, but just the reduction

633
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:41,640
in use helps with the turbidity of the water, shoreline scouring, bottom disturbance and

634
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:48,860
has a lot of benefits from that reduced use that people have seen and kind of identified

635
00:50:48,860 --> 00:50:51,340
as a cause for wanting to make this change.

636
00:50:57,740 --> 00:51:03,740
In addition to that, we did want to share the attached to the agenda item or several letters

637
00:51:03,740 --> 00:51:10,020
of support of this ordinance banning the motorized launching, but that has come obviously

638
00:51:10,020 --> 00:51:15,440
as Jennifer had mentioned from the Coastal and Clauseway Waterway Committee and the memo that they had drafted

639
00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:22,240
to the commission. We have heard from Penelis County with their support of moving forward with this as well as several

640
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:27,560
local environmental groups and users of the area, such as our

641
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,760
sailability group and windmasses as well as Tampa Bay

642
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,340
Estuary and Sierra Club.

643
00:51:35,530 --> 00:51:38,470
In addition to that, another component of this piece was

644
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:38,950
safety.

645
00:51:39,370 --> 00:51:44,290
As I mentioned before, the county changed the route as far as the

646
00:51:44,290 --> 00:51:46,950
causeway direction goes with concerns over safety.

647
00:51:47,370 --> 00:51:50,630
We did work with both the need and fire rescue and the next

648
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:53,210
slide talks about with the Panels County Sheriff.

649
00:51:53,210 --> 00:52:03,280
findings, but as far as calls, for service to the causeway, and of course as I think we're all very well aware that there have been two related

650
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:07,650
Jetsky deaths that have occurred in the last couple of years.

651
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:18,910
And then again, this is a reference to what the panel is kind of sheriff's office put together as far as Jetsky-related incidents that have taken place on the causeway.

652
00:52:18,910 --> 00:52:24,310
We did want to look at the term and this applies to the same for the fire as well.

653
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:31,630
By the term before the closure of the causeway, so they looked back as far as January 1, 2022,

654
00:52:32,050 --> 00:52:36,430
all the way through at the time this data was pulled April 30, of 2026.

655
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:42,210
The entire report, there's just a screenshot of it here, but as you can see,

656
00:52:42,210 --> 00:52:51,130
pre-closure incidences are primarily related to vehicles that were not abiding by the

657
00:52:51,130 --> 00:52:58,990
wake zone and then post-closure primarily most of the incidences are in regards to

658
00:52:58,990 --> 00:52:59,870
illegal launching.

659
00:53:06,190 --> 00:53:11,310
This is just a snippet that was taken in our conversations with Penelis County,

660
00:53:11,310 --> 00:53:19,530
Tom Washburn provided some feedback as far as agreeing that the city can take a position as far as

661
00:53:19,530 --> 00:53:25,490
restricting access. And then also mentioning that the particular reason that they restricted

662
00:53:25,490 --> 00:53:31,630
access on the north side was due to sensitive environmental issues and then the you know constant

663
00:53:31,630 --> 00:53:35,750
having to refurbish the areas due to the degradation.

664
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:41,850
I'm not going to read this entire county ordinance

665
00:53:41,850 --> 00:53:49,010
here. But the highlighted or the underlined items are really just referencing this entire ordinance

666
00:53:49,010 --> 00:53:55,610
that the county has and reference to preserving the aquatic system and how important that is for

667
00:53:55,610 --> 00:53:56,970
our county and our environment.

668
00:53:59,350 --> 00:54:03,710
Again, this just goes into a little bit more detail as far as the

669
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:10,990
concerns over activity that's affecting any of our aquatic preserve and we'll show you a little bit

670
00:54:10,990 --> 00:54:26,450
I believe the next slide is a map of the aquatic preserve, clearly it encompasses most if not all of Pinellas County here and that was the ordinance that the county does have in place as far as protecting everything within that preserve.

671
00:54:29,590 --> 00:54:41,510
And for a little bit of information we've seen and heard for a request as far as information goes, this is just, you know, for your information as far as available alternate launch locations.

672
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:44,210
should the causeway become unavailable.

673
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:47,890
They range primarily for public launches,

674
00:54:48,310 --> 00:54:51,170
but anywhere between two to three miles away

675
00:54:51,170 --> 00:54:53,810
from this location up to,

676
00:54:53,810 --> 00:54:56,810
I want to stay 12 or 13 miles is the furthest distance,

677
00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:59,970
but a lot of different options for...

678
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,760
We're launching that can take place.

679
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:14,090
And then lastly, this is how we got today. Jennifer talked a little bit about how important it was that this go through the proper process and advertising.

680
00:55:15,310 --> 00:55:23,010
So we did present kind of an overview back over the summer, as far as the direction that we that you provided us to take.

681
00:55:23,010 --> 00:55:35,210
The first reading took place July 23rd was properly advertised with seven days notice, and then again for this meeting September 3rd, we also had proper advertising.

682
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:55,780
And lastly, as we are here for the second reading, staff recommends the City Commission adopt ordinance 2608 to amend ordinance 1421, section 454 to 32 to prohibit launching of motorized watercraft along the Dunning Puzzway.

683
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:01,240
Okay, questions for staff starting with Commissioner Gal.

684
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:03,680
No questions, Mayor.

685
00:56:04,420 --> 00:56:05,040
I'm sure to guard.

686
00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:09,760
Thank you, Mayor.

687
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:16,060
I just want to be sure I understand the map that we're producing out of this process.

688
00:56:16,380 --> 00:56:17,720
Which is exhibit A.

689
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:26,820
And I see that in the exhibit A, it still shows slow speed minimum wake area on the exhibit A 26-21.

690
00:56:26,820 --> 00:56:29,760
is that going to change? Is that going to stay the same?

691
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:35,860
So I know we have kind of a sister item that's next on the agenda addressing the map.

692
00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:43,140
I kind of preemptively will say that there's no substance changes that are being made to the map.

693
00:56:43,220 --> 00:56:50,680
The map is referencing the water usage and we are not touching the water direction or the water usage identification

694
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,720
Tony shared some of those?

695
00:56:55,950 --> 00:57:00,870
Just to reiterate, that's correct, this is strictly the shoreline activities.

696
00:57:01,210 --> 00:57:05,250
The waterway would require a different process that would have to be vetted by the state.

697
00:57:06,850 --> 00:57:15,150
It appears the map says that water access or voting is available for that area, so is that a conflict between the ordinance and this map?

698
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:23,190
It doesn't conflict because it would prohibit the launching and landing of watercraft from the actual shoreline.

699
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:27,390
But the area would remain in a no-wake zone available for boating.

700
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:28,490
Correct. Okay.

701
00:57:28,970 --> 00:57:32,770
But there's no launching ability from that location. That's correct.

702
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:35,110
Okay. Thank you.

703
00:57:35,290 --> 00:57:35,750
It's all I have, Mayor.

704
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:37,370
Okay. Nice Mayor, questions?

705
00:57:39,010 --> 00:57:39,810
Oh, thank you, Mayor.

706
00:57:41,330 --> 00:57:47,990
I have my question really pertains to the enforcement of this.

707
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:58,190
kind of curious as to what kind of penalties would be involved with that, how does this get enforced exactly?

708
00:57:59,630 --> 00:58:11,970
So we didn't include an enforcement section of the staffing, and essentially I know that the policy of the panels kind of shares offices,

709
00:58:11,970 --> 00:58:19,610
the first interaction is a warning, and talking to Captain Harvey, he's not going to move off

710
00:58:19,610 --> 00:58:23,770
of that, I think it's a directive of the sheriff. And so the first infraction, if you will,

711
00:58:23,870 --> 00:58:31,430
would be a warning, and then I think it's a code five citation class five citation, which is

712
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:39,330
93 dollars, if it's unconditionally 38, so they would receive that class five violation. I've also

713
00:58:39,330 --> 00:58:44,610
spoken to Captain Harvey about if they encounter the Sheriff's office encounter someone who

714
00:58:45,490 --> 00:58:49,970
has already been issued a citation, a classified violation, and they've come back and

715
00:58:49,970 --> 00:58:54,310
then at that point there will be an option to trespass them from the causeway so that they

716
00:58:54,310 --> 00:58:55,350
wouldn't be allowed to return.

717
00:59:01,140 --> 00:59:05,080
The trespass actually, it's not usually permanent for a period of time, maybe a year or something

718
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:05,720
like that.

719
00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:08,680
I have no further questions.

720
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:15,120
Just tack on because in here it also says about a fee a fine at $500. How does that invariant?

721
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:23,560
So that will be the municipal citation of the $500 and that will be something that we would discuss with with the the sheriff's office

722
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,300
If that's something we're going to pursue a municipal citation

723
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,720
Who would that be for actual?

724
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,100
You know people that have done it

725
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:38,060
I can see in those terms. Yeah, okay. It'd be good to get that clarified so so actually people would know

726
00:59:38,060 --> 00:59:43,620
I think, actually, if I made mayor, the citation is one thing, but the trespassing is another.

727
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:44,720
Gotcha.

728
00:59:45,020 --> 00:59:45,280
Yeah.

729
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:45,400
Yeah.

730
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:46,100
Now, I get that.

731
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:46,680
Just a bigger.

732
00:59:47,420 --> 00:59:49,040
Because what if you violate trespass?

733
00:59:50,460 --> 00:59:51,620
Although, be a good question.

734
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,500
I don't think that you'll be coming back.

735
00:59:53,620 --> 00:59:57,920
I think you're going to have a little visit to Hotel Finals County Sheriff's Office

736
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:58,360
Jails.

737
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,320
Okay, thank you. Okay, any more questions, you're good? No, no further questions.

738
01:00:04,540 --> 01:00:08,400
Thank you, Mr. Samber and questions. Yes, I had nodding back there so that they kind of answered.

739
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:17,700
Yeah, they affirm that I want to immediately. So we don't by chance happen to have a current picture of the way it looks out there right now.

740
01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:18,540
Do we?

741
01:00:20,790 --> 01:00:23,990
I mean, if not, I can continue. No, sir, we did.

742
01:00:24,170 --> 01:00:28,150
We can send one to you under separate coverage. Did anyone recently, I don't know how to get to you?

743
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:32,430
I think that everybody in the audience could kind of what I'm going to talk about.

744
01:00:33,090 --> 01:00:38,050
So if I drive out the causeway, I take a left and go in by high and dry.

745
01:00:38,530 --> 01:00:41,870
I can go so far and there's those giant concrete barriers.

746
01:00:43,290 --> 01:00:47,370
Are they going to stay, if no matter what happens tonight?

747
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:50,990
That's a follow up discussion with the county.

748
01:00:51,150 --> 01:00:57,690
They have proposed naturalizing that shoreline a little bit to provide some resiliency,

749
01:00:57,690 --> 01:01:03,090
but also accommodate more habitat, that's something they actually stepped up during this process and offered.

750
01:01:03,970 --> 01:01:07,570
So it would be a discussion to see what the access to that area would be.

751
01:01:07,830 --> 01:01:14,330
You know, because if we're going to, you know, this could change the whole dynamic of that area tonight.

752
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:18,030
I mean, now we have cars coming through.

753
01:01:18,350 --> 01:01:22,790
Well, it seems like people would be starting to relax and enjoy the causeway.

754
01:01:23,170 --> 01:01:27,290
Looking at the water, I mean, I'm talking about families, and all of a sudden we have cars going through there.

755
01:01:27,290 --> 01:01:35,650
just something to consider. If we had had a picture, I was not there last weekend and I guess

756
01:01:35,650 --> 01:01:36,470
that's all I'm thinking.

757
01:01:39,890 --> 01:01:46,690
Well we have, if this is voted and that is enforced, is there

758
01:01:46,690 --> 01:01:53,030
going to be new signage, adequate signage, so there will not be, I didn't know, I didn't

759
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:58,730
are stand? Well, we have new signs. Yes, we've worked with the county and actually put out some

760
01:01:58,730 --> 01:02:02,910
signs in the interim because the area is technically closed and we start to see an uptick

761
01:02:02,910 --> 01:02:08,350
of people trying to launch. Okay. So we did put signs at all the entries on the south side,

762
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:13,350
and then if this were to move forward, we'd have to have some water-facing signage as well for

763
01:02:13,350 --> 01:02:19,070
no landing of vessels and we need to figure out the installation on that, but yes,

764
01:02:19,070 --> 01:02:22,930
there would. It's a great point for water facing, I've wondered about that.

765
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:27,540
I want you to

766
01:02:27,540 --> 01:02:35,700
make sure for all of us in this room, there is no confusion in language or verbiage. If

767
01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:42,820
to share this office, if the FWC engages with someone, I just don't want either party

768
01:02:42,820 --> 01:02:48,280
to be uncomfortable, where a person with a lot of craft folks are trying to talk down

769
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,560
the deputy or the warden and the warden is trying to say, no, I know what I'm talking about.

770
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:58,400
I just want it to make sure for the fairness of both sides, I mean, can we all feel comfortable

771
01:02:58,940 --> 01:03:03,440
that every deputy that goes out there, every person that might take their personal watercraft,

772
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:08,040
everyone will feel secure in understanding what's expected.

773
01:03:08,740 --> 01:03:17,580
So, Commissioner, if I may, this has been a subject of discussion with Captain Harvey, okay.

774
01:03:19,020 --> 01:03:25,360
that in terms of he has been in on the and he's the north district commander for those of you in the audience.

775
01:03:26,820 --> 01:03:34,000
So so the question was enforcement how we enforce it and then the second question was how clearly we can enforce it.

776
01:03:34,580 --> 01:03:38,680
And so I know that they have regular role call and I don't know the technical name of that.

777
01:03:38,940 --> 01:03:44,420
I know that they have discussed this ordinance and the deputies were because the area is very clearly.

778
01:03:44,420 --> 01:03:50,660
I mean, in drafting this ordinance to say there's no landing or launching on the causeway

779
01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:53,060
is very clear, is very clear.

780
01:03:53,420 --> 01:03:53,600
Well said.

781
01:03:54,540 --> 01:03:59,760
So, I don't, I think that enforcement will be relatively easy for the sheriff's office.

782
01:04:00,500 --> 01:04:06,180
This does not, however, prohibit anchoring offshore, right, and accessing the beach.

783
01:04:06,380 --> 01:04:09,760
That would still be permitted, and I think that people really don't understand that.

784
01:04:10,140 --> 01:04:12,800
But you cannot land on the beach, and either can you launch.

785
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,840
Okay. Now,

786
01:04:18,270 --> 01:04:20,610
years ago, I'm not the only one in this room,

787
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:22,490
we used to have bonfires on the causeway.

788
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:24,050
Can you still have a bonfire on the causeway?

789
01:04:25,450 --> 01:04:26,330
That's rescripted.

790
01:04:26,750 --> 01:04:28,690
Can I go out there and start a charcoal grill?

791
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:32,470
I would love to bring my colleagues,

792
01:04:33,030 --> 01:04:34,850
and I want all of you to give some consideration

793
01:04:35,470 --> 01:04:38,730
to doing away with grills as a whole,

794
01:04:38,990 --> 01:04:41,390
because I've read about a recent couple of severe injuries

795
01:04:41,390 --> 01:04:45,410
where those calls were left and it was a young child that stepped in them.

796
01:04:45,770 --> 01:04:47,890
And I want that to be some consideration tonight.

797
01:04:48,010 --> 01:04:51,470
I don't want to make this into a mess where we're amending what we're trying to do.

798
01:04:51,710 --> 01:04:56,230
But if we can do that tonight, I'd like to at least have each of you think about that.

799
01:04:56,350 --> 01:04:58,130
Going forward as we continue tonight.

800
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:20,140
The other thing is we talked about horses. I was out there the other day and someone, you know, it was wrong. The dog was not a leash, but the dog was in and out of that, that grass area. Do we have any way that we can post that? I think the guy was training his dog because he was throwing the stick and the dog was in the water.

801
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,320
So, Commissioner, the dogs are prohibited from the beach.

802
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,800
Okay, they're allowed on the trail, but they're prohibited unless they're service animal.

803
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:35,420
Okay, and then my last, it was brought up during the last meeting about some potential runoff

804
01:05:35,420 --> 01:05:44,520
from pesticides, maybe making that sea grass grow or die, have we got proper clarification

805
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:50,260
on what exactly was sprayed, who sprayed it, and if there was any long-term damage to the

806
01:05:51,500 --> 01:06:00,640
So any of our waterfront maintenance activities, we do have buffers and things where we do not spray within a certain area based on product guidelines.

807
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:07,260
I can't tell you exactly what was sprayed out there, but the staff that does do the maintenance follows those.

808
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:13,040
Perfect because without if then one of our folks or with that been Pinellas County, it would have been probably one of our folks.

809
01:06:16,020 --> 01:06:17,020
That's all I had, Mayor.

810
01:06:17,180 --> 01:06:18,000
Thank you.

811
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:23,980
Okay, I just have one question that I know I'm going to show you guys a follow-up, so I just want to make sure

812
01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:29,240
The county indicated that before they actually do the traffic pattern or anything

813
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:36,460
They're going to on the south side. They're going to show us the mock-up of what they want to do or what the results of the north side

814
01:06:36,460 --> 01:06:40,980
Traffic-low have been, but they're not doing anything out there until they come to us and say

815
01:06:40,980 --> 01:06:44,240
This is our thoughts on what we want to do. We want to get input from you

816
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:48,860
that is what they told us that is I want to make sure that it doesn't ever go through the crafts.

817
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,020
That's our understanding.

818
01:06:52,180 --> 01:06:55,820
Yes, that they're going to come and present us before they implement anything.

819
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:57,120
Okay, good.

820
01:06:57,300 --> 01:06:57,760
All right.

821
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,340
If I'm going to be the crazy person out there is things stop.

822
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,380
If it starts before we see it and we get input from people.

823
01:07:03,420 --> 01:07:05,240
We'll be calling them tomorrow to remind them.

824
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:05,700
Yeah, okay.

825
01:07:05,980 --> 01:07:06,460
That's good.

826
01:07:07,060 --> 01:07:08,040
That's my only question.

827
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:09,900
I just want to make sure we didn't get lost on that one.

828
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,100
Can you show us how you get a follow-up?

829
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:17,100
We do not want to see crazy mayor, so please take care of that.

830
01:07:18,700 --> 01:07:22,920
Dogs are not allowed on the causeway, but they are allowed on Honeymoon Island.

831
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:24,660
They're allowed on the trail.

832
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,440
They're allowed on the trail, they're not allowed off the trail.

833
01:07:29,340 --> 01:07:31,220
But Honeymoon Island is a state park.

834
01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:32,000
Oh, yes.

835
01:07:32,820 --> 01:07:34,980
There is a dog beach with a state park.

836
01:07:35,580 --> 01:07:40,400
So if anybody who has your dogs on the causeway, there is a relief fell.

837
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,200
Right, half a mile down the road.

838
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,300
I think you used the word relief, I thought.

839
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:48,400
Pardon the pun.

840
01:07:51,640 --> 01:08:00,100
And when we talk about landing and they just can't land their jet skis

841
01:08:00,100 --> 01:08:03,360
on the beach, how close can they get?

842
01:08:05,260 --> 01:08:09,800
Are the residents, if this passes, and there is a jet ski

843
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,700
that's 20 yards off the beach,

844
01:08:13,100 --> 01:08:15,740
are we going to start to get panic calls from residents?

845
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:18,680
What's the expectation?

846
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,760
So the one area there that was pointed out,

847
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:23,820
this is a no-wake zone.

848
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,360
So it would have to be kind of slow speed operations,

849
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,660
but yes, they could occupy that area with a vessel.

850
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,700
So they can get within three feet of the shore,

851
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:34,800
they can get pretty close.

852
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:36,760
Be people, okay, very good.

853
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:47,760
And have we done any economic analysis, or do we know what the impact of the jet skis that they've had on our local businesses?

854
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:54,700
Whether it's eddies, whether it's a bait shop, McDonald's Dunkin Donuts, the gas station?

855
01:08:55,240 --> 01:09:05,560
No, we have not done that analysis. We have heard from Glenn Stanky at the High and Dry, which would be the one that would probably be most impacted and he is in favor of the ban.

856
01:09:06,260 --> 01:09:11,040
on motorized watercraft, but we have not done an in-depth analysis of the surrounding

857
01:09:12,180 --> 01:09:12,600
businesses.

858
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:13,540
All right.

859
01:09:14,020 --> 01:09:15,660
And thank you, Mayor, that's all that I had.

860
01:09:15,820 --> 01:09:18,800
Okay, I also have a follow-up, I don't want to.

861
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:23,620
Okay, I do have one follow-up because you, you know, got me thinking, I guess the question

862
01:09:23,620 --> 01:09:29,340
is to the city attorney, is there enough clarity in there in terms of what, how close

863
01:09:29,340 --> 01:09:34,180
you can be to the shore, or is this going to be like, oh my gosh, we're arguing about,

864
01:09:34,180 --> 01:09:39,180
you know, somebody being a foot off versus three feet off versus six feet off, I mean.

865
01:09:39,740 --> 01:09:46,740
So the point of the ordinance was to stop the launching, you know, so they're coming on and going off the shoreline.

866
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:48,220
And so that's what it's regulating.

867
01:09:48,460 --> 01:09:56,140
And I think that's very clear as far as the waterway goes, this wasn't changing the regulations that currently exist in that waterway.

868
01:09:56,220 --> 01:09:58,980
So as long as you're not touching the shore, you're probably okay.

869
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,720
But if you touch the shore, you're in violation. Okay.

870
01:10:03,060 --> 01:10:07,740
All right. And I guess to clarify, that would be the Jetsky touching the shore, not the writer.

871
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,060
Right. So they can get off the Jetsky and walk on shore.

872
01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:12,800
All right. Just.

873
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,600
Yes. Sorry. Sorry if that was being picky.

874
01:10:18,540 --> 01:10:27,960
Okay. If I could also just go quick, since we were talking about this, there was a question with regard to amending the ordinance to include

875
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:44,000
to deal with the hot coals, so I did want to let you know that there already is something in the code that prohibits the disposal of hot coals unless it's in a designated area, so that already exists within your code.

876
01:10:44,820 --> 01:10:46,360
So that means grills.

877
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:53,660
are grilling is allowed but the disposal of the coal is can only be done in a designated area.

878
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,600
Okay, which puts a lot of responsibility on the person that's doing the grilling.

879
01:10:58,100 --> 01:10:59,600
Good, thank you for clarifying that.

880
01:10:59,660 --> 01:11:07,980
Thank you. Okay, so if there's no other questions, we've got some quite a few citizens that do

881
01:11:07,980 --> 01:11:13,800
want to talk. I just want to kind of restate what I said the last time and what famously so

882
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,920
I hope it goes famously as well.

883
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,780
I probably have an equal amount of cards on each side of this issue, which makes it really

884
01:11:21,780 --> 01:11:29,060
important that the decorum of not clapping, not shouting out, not hooting, whatever, because

885
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:32,980
again, the whole purpose of that is not to intimidate who's ever talking and make them afraid

886
01:11:32,980 --> 01:11:34,300
even get up here.

887
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:40,080
So it's just about respecting each other's opinion and there's a lot of good opinions on

888
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:40,880
both sides of this.

889
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,580
So we want to do that.

890
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,780
So what I'm going to do is, as I'm going to call a name and I'm going to call a name that's

891
01:11:46,780 --> 01:11:47,240
undec.

892
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:53,360
So again, that person can be ready to come up and then it'll help the process move along well.

893
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:55,220
So we are going to start.

894
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,620
First speaker, when it will be, you basically name address and three minutes.

895
01:12:01,140 --> 01:12:05,640
And so David, get us junior is first and Mark Clark is undec.

896
01:12:08,250 --> 01:12:08,690
Good evening.

897
01:12:08,830 --> 01:12:09,730
Thank you again.

898
01:12:09,730 --> 01:12:13,670
David Ballard, get his junior, I live on Georgia Avenue and Palm Harbor.

899
01:12:14,570 --> 01:12:21,310
The newly proposed bridge, that's to replace our existing bridge, is to be much larger

900
01:12:21,310 --> 01:12:24,690
longer than the bridge that we have in place today.

901
01:12:25,010 --> 01:12:32,190
It'll extend out past the point of where people are launching their jet skis today.

902
01:12:32,190 --> 01:12:41,430
So in effect, this jet ski argument is kind of moot in relation to this newly developed bridge proposal,

903
01:12:41,450 --> 01:12:48,610
which ultimately is going to shorten the parking area that people use on the causeway itself.

904
01:12:48,810 --> 01:12:55,390
The new bridge will be nice because it will allow more water flow underneath that bridge to get behind

905
01:12:55,390 --> 01:13:01,050
Caledic island and flush out the grass flats that are slowly dying because the cause

906
01:13:01,050 --> 01:13:05,030
way itself is congesting proper tidal flow.

907
01:13:05,930 --> 01:13:07,390
Now, here's the problem.

908
01:13:08,490 --> 01:13:14,050
I'm not a big fan of dredging, but that's all we've done out there.

909
01:13:14,290 --> 01:13:16,450
The intercoastal waterway is a dredge.

910
01:13:16,690 --> 01:13:21,590
They're pumping sand up and down on the beach from St. Pete all the way up, you know,

911
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:29,010
North Pinellas here, they're pumping sand from Coco Beach to St. Augustine, so in a sense

912
01:13:29,010 --> 01:13:38,390
the causeway itself is a dredge. It's artificial. Now in order to accommodate an ever-growing

913
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:43,630
population and people that moved the floor to come for the water we need to provide them

914
01:13:43,630 --> 01:13:50,610
a place to go to so we need to reconfigure how we're going to design the causeway. I believe

915
01:13:50,610 --> 01:13:57,310
the tarp and springs, and the way they utilize cold assacks that kind of stick out into

916
01:13:57,310 --> 01:14:03,910
Fred Howard Park, Sunset Beach, is a cold assack. Those were dredged. I think we could utilize

917
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:11,950
that same concept here on the causeway and create one, possibly two cold assacks out by where

918
01:14:11,950 --> 01:14:20,270
the bath house is, that extend northward, dredging obviously would be disruptive to the

919
01:14:20,270 --> 01:14:28,550
habitat, I've lived here in my whole life and it pains me to say this, but at the same time

920
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:35,790
we need to accommodate for what we're removing from the causeway with the building of

921
01:14:35,790 --> 01:14:42,910
the new bridge, we're going to need to recreate some place else, otherwise we won't have

922
01:14:42,910 --> 01:14:49,730
the accommodations, we'll be taking away accommodations that are currently enjoyed by the

923
01:14:49,730 --> 01:14:59,210
So we need to replace that surface area that we're going to remove when building the new bridge and put that.

924
01:15:00,870 --> 01:15:08,250
As cold as sacks, as displayed, at sunset, beach and tarp, and in front, however beach and tarp, and would be an example.

925
01:15:08,450 --> 01:15:15,130
So this is kind of a design that I kind of came up with just on the fly for proposal. Thank you.

926
01:15:15,230 --> 01:15:21,210
Thank you, David. I appreciate your input. Okay. We have Mark Clark, and then on deck is going to be Eric Graves.

927
01:15:22,030 --> 01:15:27,450
Name and address for the record in three minutes. Mark Clark, 2013 Woodward Avenue.

928
01:15:28,990 --> 01:15:36,370
I would like to start by clearing up statements made at the last meeting, regarding the by staff,

929
01:15:37,130 --> 01:15:43,990
regarding the cost per-linear foot that the Dunning Causeway was the most expensive park in the

930
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:46,570
Penelas County system that doesn't seem to be accurate.

931
01:15:46,830 --> 01:15:51,590
It's four to soto, four to soto is the most expensive park to maintain.

932
01:15:51,590 --> 01:16:01,730
And actually, the county is talking about seceding back to the state of Florida, several other parks because the budget cuts could possibly be coming up.

933
01:16:02,230 --> 01:16:05,410
So, Penelas County, it's just too expensive to maintain some of these parks.

934
01:16:06,970 --> 01:16:11,830
Secondarily, according to Penelas County and Swift Mud studies done every two years on Seagrass,

935
01:16:12,350 --> 01:16:20,770
Stonewater runoff is the number one cause of Seagrass damage, not personal watercraft launching on the cause way or anything like that.

936
01:16:20,770 --> 01:16:29,250
Number two is always prop-skit scarring, that's always secondary, they do the study, every

937
01:16:29,250 --> 01:16:33,830
two years, they do aerials, they do all kinds of stuff, swift mud actually goes out there,

938
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:37,770
and actually goes into the water and inspects the grass and looks at the health of the

939
01:16:37,770 --> 01:16:38,390
seagrass.

940
01:16:39,770 --> 01:16:45,250
So done Eden, we have a lot of older subdivisions and there's a lot of stormwater runoff.

941
01:16:45,810 --> 01:16:50,950
I don't think there's anything you could do to prevent that, but it really has nothing to

942
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:55,390
do with personal watercraft launching off that part of the causeway.

943
01:16:55,930 --> 01:17:03,150
And also, there's no study done that says that the sea grass is being damaged by the jet

944
01:17:03,150 --> 01:17:03,470
skis.

945
01:17:03,670 --> 01:17:08,370
It's just somebody's opinion that it looks better out there since the storm occurred back

946
01:17:08,370 --> 01:17:08,990
in 2024.

947
01:17:09,330 --> 01:17:11,050
There's no empirical data whatsoever.

948
01:17:12,810 --> 01:17:15,230
Of course, it depends on what time of year you look out there.

949
01:17:15,230 --> 01:17:20,230
If you visually look at it in the winter and in the spring it looks pretty good because the water is clear

950
01:17:20,230 --> 01:17:27,830
But once the rain season starts, it does get turbid and kicked up and you can't really see how much the sea grass is being damaged

951
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:34,510
This proposal, this proposed ordinance does not solve the main problem on the south side of the causeway

952
01:17:35,130 --> 01:17:41,810
The area is congested but all different types of water enthusiasts either launching from the beach are using the channel to gain golf access

953
01:17:41,810 --> 01:18:08,870
This ordinance will not prohibit PWCs, as you've just discussed, from going somewhere, launching, bringing their trailer in their car to the causeway, setting up camp, and anchoring their personal watercraft off the beach, and then using it as a launch area to go in and out, not on the beach, but anchoring and then just enjoying the day, going to and from the causeway, using that as a base camp.

954
01:18:11,190 --> 01:18:21,450
Oh, look, do I have your, my suggestions would be to create a no-wigsome from the west side

955
01:18:21,450 --> 01:18:25,250
of the main drawbridge west to Hurricane Pass.

956
01:18:26,210 --> 01:18:31,130
That area is so congested with, oh, I'm out of time?

957
01:18:31,870 --> 01:18:31,890
Yes.

958
01:18:32,190 --> 01:18:32,910
Thank you, Mark.

959
01:18:33,370 --> 01:18:34,550
Okay, thank you.

960
01:18:34,610 --> 01:18:38,850
All right, but that was my idea is to make it a no-wigsome, because that's the main

961
01:18:38,850 --> 01:18:43,270
problem out there. It's just congestion with, with paddle boarers, kayakers on the kayakers too,

962
01:18:43,490 --> 01:18:48,170
not just a personal water craft user. And it's just a crazy space out there. And at a low

963
01:18:48,170 --> 01:18:53,930
tide, thank you. You got, yeah, I got it. I got it. Keep it going. But I appreciate it. We appreciate it.

964
01:18:53,930 --> 01:18:56,570
Eric Graves and Undec will be Carol Horner.

965
01:18:58,860 --> 01:19:02,020
Eric Graves, 1 4 1 3. Be sure Boulevard,

966
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:07,920
Uniform Dunedin. First thing I like to say is just thanks for the approach that you've taken

967
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,800
And as it's kind of been exciting to just see the process,

968
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:15,560
both sides of the equation, the input, the inclusiveness.

969
01:19:15,940 --> 01:19:16,960
So thank you for that.

970
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,100
As I said before, and I'll make this very quick,

971
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:24,020
I'm very much in support of the band.

972
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,860
We've talked about the environmental issues.

973
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,380
We've talked about safety issues.

974
01:19:28,420 --> 01:19:30,960
We've talked about the quality of life issues.

975
01:19:32,140 --> 01:19:34,340
And then also, you've got experts.

976
01:19:34,340 --> 01:19:40,040
You've got data that really support this approach and the other thing for me

977
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:45,780
I'm out there all the time and my eyeballs. I know there's seasonality and all that and I respect the previous opinion

978
01:19:45,780 --> 01:19:55,880
But it is clear since we have not had motorized vehicles launching at the causeway the difference and how that area looks as far as

979
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,260
Sea grass as far as the turbanists

980
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:19,740
The clarity of the water in the area. So, I'm speaking for myself, my wife also said, Eric, say that you're speaking for me, and then also representing the paddling group of the Dunning Bo club as well in support of the band. So, thank you very much for the time.

981
01:20:19,740 --> 01:20:21,040
Thank you, Eric.

982
01:20:21,620 --> 01:20:26,820
Carol Horner is next in Michelle Bernhott-Wam is after that, on deck.

983
01:20:29,020 --> 01:20:36,320
Horner, I live 1, 6, 6, 0, curly road, 1.3 miles to the Cosway, and I love Dunne Eden.

984
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,020
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

985
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,040
And you're Dunne Eden, is what Dunne Eden resident?

986
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:41,960
Yes, yes.

987
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:42,900
You have Dunne Eden, sorry.

988
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:45,100
I own a jet ski.

989
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:46,700
I used to launch there all the time.

990
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:47,520
It was very convenient.

991
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:48,820
I would go out during the week.

992
01:20:48,820 --> 01:20:52,660
when it wasn't real busy, since a lean has happened,

993
01:20:53,380 --> 01:20:55,700
that causeway has changed.

994
01:20:56,500 --> 01:20:57,120
I will not.

995
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:00,680
I put my jet ski at a speckle trout in Palmar,

996
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,580
or a no-zona, and I launch there,

997
01:21:03,580 --> 01:21:06,080
I will not take it through that area.

998
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:07,680
It is unsafe.

999
01:21:08,300 --> 01:21:10,100
The sand bars are unbelievable.

1000
01:21:10,900 --> 01:21:12,440
And my neighbor has a boat in the back.

1001
01:21:12,620 --> 01:21:14,500
We don't even take it up through there

1002
01:21:14,500 --> 01:21:15,940
to go out hurricane paths.

1003
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:23,240
It's just too dangerous that whole area has changed and when I see a jet ski go through

1004
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:23,940
there.

1005
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,420
It scares the crap out of me because it's unsafe.

1006
01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:35,000
People can go in and buy a jet ski and not know anything about the water and launch it.

1007
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:35,860
That's scary.

1008
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:38,340
That's dang scary.

1009
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:43,600
You got people paddle boarding, walking across the Caladisi walking.

1010
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:48,200
That's how shallow we are with a sand bar here in a sand bar there

1011
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:54,260
There's only a matter of time and it's nice because more people are going there. It's quieter

1012
01:21:54,260 --> 01:21:58,480
It's not so loud you have a jet ski go out to the golf

1013
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:05,060
What he got his zip in through here for? I see it all the time even in clear water and

1014
01:22:05,060 --> 01:22:08,580
No wayxone it should be a complete no wayxone through there

1015
01:22:08,580 --> 01:22:12,980
Because somebody's gonna get hurt. It's about it's just a matter of time

1016
01:22:12,980 --> 01:22:20,440
Whether it's high tide or low tide, I don't know when the last time you guys have been out there, but it's bad, it's real bad.

1017
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:27,800
So personally, the band is the best thing you can have, and you can do the environmental, but I'm talking safety.

1018
01:22:28,420 --> 01:22:35,960
But if you can go into cycle springs and buy a jet ski and put it in the water and not understand what that water sign says,

1019
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:41,920
to stay left, no wake, you know, minimum, speed, people don't know that.

1020
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:46,140
I've watched it all the time. I took a girl out that just bought a brand new jet ski.

1021
01:22:46,620 --> 01:22:50,880
I said, you're not going on that water, so I take you out and show you what these signs mean.

1022
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,500
So you understand it. That's being responsible.

1023
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:59,200
Can't buy a car and just jump in and drive it. You've got to understand signs.

1024
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,380
And boaters get upset at jet skiers for that reason.

1025
01:23:03,380 --> 01:23:10,180
So, if any doubt, you just go slow, but that area is too dangerous, people, it really is.

1026
01:23:10,420 --> 01:23:11,840
Thank you so much, appreciate it.

1027
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:12,420
Thank you, Carol.

1028
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:13,420
You got it.

1029
01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:17,280
Okay, Michelle is next, and on deck is Cleveland, Leicoc.

1030
01:23:19,580 --> 01:23:23,800
Hi, Michelle Bernbaum, 330, promenade, Dunneiden.

1031
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:35,020
I guess the thing that I'd like to express to you is how much the damage and injury that

1032
01:23:35,020 --> 01:23:42,520
can be sustained by our friends, families, and visitors here, and Daneden, hit very close

1033
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:51,980
to me, a very good friend of mine's adult daughter who's an experienced paddleboard surf person

1034
01:23:51,980 --> 01:23:54,840
here in Dunn Eden goes very frequently.

1035
01:23:55,420 --> 01:23:58,320
She's also someone who can say a real sailboat.

1036
01:23:59,060 --> 01:24:05,300
Two weeks ago, someone on a skudu knocked her off her board.

1037
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,980
She sustained bruises and cuts.

1038
01:24:09,340 --> 01:24:12,160
Someone on shore saw how close he came

1039
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,580
and how much damage happened.

1040
01:24:14,940 --> 01:24:17,020
They called the sheriff.

1041
01:24:17,380 --> 01:24:18,920
The sheriff did nothing.

1042
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:26,060
Now, I've heard that you say, oh, we're going to give them warnings when they're irresponsible

1043
01:24:26,060 --> 01:24:29,280
and dangerous on these waterways.

1044
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,680
But only takes is one dangerous incident.

1045
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,480
She was an adult who could swim.

1046
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,060
She was retain consciousness.

1047
01:24:41,480 --> 01:24:43,440
But it could be a child.

1048
01:24:43,580 --> 01:24:45,940
It could be someone visiting us here.

1049
01:24:45,940 --> 01:24:51,940
And you're trying to tell them that we are monitoring their safety along the causeway.

1050
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:53,280
We are not.

1051
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:59,620
You're blowing people to bring jet skis into the beach area where children are swimming.

1052
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:27,540
Are you telling them that they cannot power their engines there? And you can't tell me that allowing people to drop anchors for their water craft is not going to cause damage to the natural environment. Now, looking at the maps that were put out, it was very confusing as to what the area of restriction actually was.

1053
01:25:27,540 --> 01:25:33,960
It appeared that they would not be allowed in the beach area, the water.

1054
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:40,300
Those vehicles are going to be powered into that area and stop.

1055
01:25:41,020 --> 01:25:47,200
They're going to come into interact with children, adults, and people who think because

1056
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:52,060
they're restricted from that area, they do not have to worry about being injured.

1057
01:25:52,060 --> 01:25:57,580
So, I'm asking you to strongly consider this access.

1058
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:03,760
I mean, I understand not bringing trailers into the environment is a big step in the right direction.

1059
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:10,340
But I think you have to look at the broader issue of the safety of the people using that area.

1060
01:26:10,660 --> 01:26:19,300
And I think when people hear about the ban from jet skis, they're going to assume they're not going to have to worry about being struck by jet skis in that area.

1061
01:26:19,300 --> 01:26:25,220
So, I strongly advise you to consider extending that area.

1062
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:25,840
Thank you.

1063
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:26,300
Thank you, Michelle.

1064
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:27,220
Okay.

1065
01:26:27,380 --> 01:26:30,040
Next, we have a Cleveland Lake Hawk.

1066
01:26:30,440 --> 01:26:32,200
And then, on deck, we'll be Matt Norman.

1067
01:26:33,780 --> 01:26:35,080
They may address for the record in three minutes.

1068
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:36,460
Oh, it's Cleveland Lake Hawk.

1069
01:26:36,540 --> 01:26:38,920
2, 3, 0, 6, Jones Drive.

1070
01:26:39,460 --> 01:26:40,340
Fairway of state.

1071
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:42,700
Good evening.

1072
01:26:43,460 --> 01:26:48,300
I just wanted to show my support for the Cosway Committee and their decisions.

1073
01:26:48,300 --> 01:26:56,920
I am currently on the Marine Advisory Committee and I understand the arduous task that goes into making some of these decisions.

1074
01:26:57,980 --> 01:26:59,620
They are not need-jerk reactions.

1075
01:27:00,340 --> 01:27:05,840
We work hard on our committees to hear all sides of every viewpoint.

1076
01:27:06,340 --> 01:27:08,380
We discuss them at Nazim.

1077
01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:11,960
We try to be as open and professional as possible.

1078
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:18,400
I have also found that the city commissioners and officials are always available and eager

1079
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:19,040
to listen.

1080
01:27:20,140 --> 01:27:25,260
I am extremely appreciative of the Dunedian government after having lived in a city where the

1081
01:27:25,260 --> 01:27:26,840
government was completely inadequate.

1082
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:32,520
I know a lot of people have passionate opinions on this, but please be secured in the thought

1083
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:41,940
that this has been thoroughly researched and discussed, and the general public has been given

1084
01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:49,280
Those people who have spoken on either side of the issue have done so eloquently and with courtesy.

1085
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:53,900
If no one else does, let it be known that I truly appreciate this.

1086
01:27:54,140 --> 01:27:55,720
This is not an easy decision.

1087
01:27:59,260 --> 01:28:05,820
But in doing so, knowing the process, I support the decision of the city commission for the city of Dunedin.

1088
01:28:06,500 --> 01:28:07,880
I have no dog in this fight.

1089
01:28:08,340 --> 01:28:12,720
And once again, I want to point out the folks on these committees are volunteers.

1090
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:17,780
they do not get paid, they are not reimbursed, they do this out of their own free

1091
01:28:17,780 --> 01:28:21,340
will and time, and because they want to help make Duned in a better place.

1092
01:28:22,060 --> 01:28:28,040
If you feel your voice is not being heard or your ideas are not being discussed, please feel

1093
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:29,080
free to join a committee.

1094
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,420
If I did it, anyone can.

1095
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,620
Come to the committee meetings, voice your opinion.

1096
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:40,280
Come to the City Commission meeting, give your input, question decisions, give us your

1097
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:46,600
college and experience. Talk to your commissioners. They are available. They listen. Thank you.

1098
01:28:46,620 --> 01:28:52,600
Thank you, Cleveland. Okay, next is Matt Norman. On deck we'll be Claudia Naval.

1099
01:28:54,510 --> 01:28:56,130
Name and address for the record in three minutes.

1100
01:29:01,220 --> 01:29:02,880
I get you the American Commissioner's.

1101
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:09,140
My name is Matt Norman. I live on two three seven three mangrim drives and fairway

1102
01:29:09,140 --> 01:29:10,540
states in Deneen, Florida.

1103
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,880
Again, my name is Matt Norman, and I spoke at the first reading

1104
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:21,040
in opposition to this ordinance. Tonight, rather than repeat the same arguments, I'd

1105
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:26,140
like to respond directly to what I heard from you. I heard legitimate concerns about public

1106
01:29:26,140 --> 01:29:33,400
safety. I heard concerns about congestion. And I heard repeatedly that much of the demand for keeping

1107
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:38,960
this launch open was coming from people who don't live in Deneen, while Deneen residents live

1108
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:45,300
with the impacts. So I'd like to suggest a very different alternative. Don't restore the

1109
01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:52,640
old unrestricted launch area. Instead, consider a dramatically smaller, permit only launch

1110
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:59,040
area available exclusively to denine residents if legally permissible. The previous area was

1111
01:29:59,040 --> 01:29:59,980
large enough to accommodate.

1112
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,100
Eight dozens of trailers. Historical imagery, which you can go on Google maps and see today. I reviewed

1113
01:30:07,100 --> 01:30:14,820
shows a well over 32 truck and trailer combinations on one busy day alone with room for more. I'm

1114
01:30:14,820 --> 01:30:21,200
proposing something completely different. Create a small area near the bridge with capacity for perhaps

1115
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:27,480
10 to 15 trucks and trailers. Comparable, roughly comparable to the scale of the main Dunedin

1116
01:30:27,480 --> 01:30:31,760
in a lamplot, require an annual resident permit.

1117
01:30:33,340 --> 01:30:38,720
Charge a meaningful fee, $150, $250, $300, even $300, if that's what responsible management

1118
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:45,280
requires, tie the permit to the resident and vehicle, cap the number of permits, if necessary,

1119
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:51,140
establish clear rules and make serious or repeat violations ground for losing the permit.

1120
01:30:51,140 --> 01:30:58,980
Then, make it a one-year pilot, measure the parking, measure the compliance, measure enforcement

1121
01:30:58,980 --> 01:31:04,040
incidents, measure environmental conditions, and come back with actual results.

1122
01:31:05,220 --> 01:31:08,980
That directly addresses the concerns I heard at the first reading.

1123
01:31:09,500 --> 01:31:11,880
The regional jet ski destination goes away.

1124
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:14,420
The large crowds go away.

1125
01:31:14,420 --> 01:31:29,400
Capacity is dramatically reduced, users become identifiable and accountable, and denine residents retain a small amount of unique public access opportunity that has existed here for decades.

1126
01:31:30,300 --> 01:31:31,920
There is a middle ground.

1127
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:42,860
I respectfully ask you before final adoption to direct staff and the city attorney to evaluate whether a limited resident only permit pilot could establish,

1128
01:31:42,860 --> 01:31:46,640
could accomplish the goals you identified while preserving

1129
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:50,160
responsible access for your own residents.

1130
01:31:51,700 --> 01:31:52,780
Thank you.

1131
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:53,840
Thank you.

1132
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:54,600
Thank you, Matt.

1133
01:31:55,420 --> 01:31:59,480
Next is Cardi and Naval, and on deck will be Megan Colby.

1134
01:32:02,530 --> 01:32:06,070
Hey, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioner's thank you for allowing me to speak.

1135
01:32:06,590 --> 01:32:08,050
I don't have a lot to say.

1136
01:32:08,330 --> 01:32:09,490
Cardi or your address, please.

1137
01:32:09,630 --> 01:32:10,530
Name my address, please.

1138
01:32:10,630 --> 01:32:11,910
Oh, my address, Ryan.

1139
01:32:11,910 --> 01:32:16,140
I forgot that. My name is Claudia Naible 1094 Sumo, I wrote Dunedin.

1140
01:32:16,770 --> 01:32:23,590
I've been a resident in Dunedin since 1994. I love this town. It's a town for quality

1141
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:31,470
of life and I'm going to keep on fighting for it. But the issue here right now is as well

1142
01:32:31,470 --> 01:32:38,870
as a couple issues. I've had my personal negative experience with a lot of the personal

1143
01:32:38,870 --> 01:32:44,730
watercraft jet skis, and safety is the major concern over here, okay.

1144
01:32:45,870 --> 01:32:50,190
The thing that I'm hearing, I mean, this is public, it's about we love, we welcome people,

1145
01:32:50,570 --> 01:32:55,630
but there's other places that they can watch the jet skis from, for Dunnied in resident.

1146
01:32:56,330 --> 01:33:01,710
I mean, having been on the Marine Advisory Board issues were discussed also, that there's

1147
01:33:01,710 --> 01:33:05,150
an opportunity that would be limited to the Dunnied in residents.

1148
01:33:05,710 --> 01:33:12,050
You know, I guess what I'm saying is, what about the people that live in this phenomenal

1149
01:33:12,050 --> 01:33:12,670
community?

1150
01:33:12,910 --> 01:33:13,750
What are their rights?

1151
01:33:14,510 --> 01:33:19,650
You know, why should people that may have watercrafted this plenty of the places around

1152
01:33:19,650 --> 01:33:21,070
here where they can launch from?

1153
01:33:21,470 --> 01:33:23,370
Why does it have to be on the course way?

1154
01:33:24,790 --> 01:33:32,110
Okay, I mean, the hurricanes were horrible, but the resiliency that we've had, everything

1155
01:33:32,110 --> 01:33:39,270
things come back, marine life, things that we should have been looking at before, and the hurricane

1156
01:33:39,270 --> 01:33:42,270
forces to look at this stuff and rethink things.

1157
01:33:42,990 --> 01:33:48,950
And I think for me it's very frustrating that people that are, and they could say the same

1158
01:33:48,950 --> 01:33:54,310
thing about me, are bullying us that they want that cause way back, but what about the rest

1159
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:54,730
of us?

1160
01:33:54,950 --> 01:34:00,570
What about the people that have been hit by jet skis is one of the Dungeon residents, I know

1161
01:34:00,570 --> 01:34:04,950
that swims every day and was hit by a jet ski

1162
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:07,570
while he was out there swimming off the courseway.

1163
01:34:07,930 --> 01:34:10,390
It was a few jet skis that were doing

1164
01:34:10,390 --> 01:34:11,690
that run over there.

1165
01:34:12,830 --> 01:34:15,350
And anyway, what happened was one of the jet skis

1166
01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:18,810
told them just to take off don't stop.

1167
01:34:19,130 --> 01:34:19,930
Because one of them stopped.

1168
01:34:20,590 --> 01:34:25,390
I know there's only only been two deaths in a couple years,

1169
01:34:25,810 --> 01:34:27,290
but that's two deaths too many.

1170
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:30,250
Last meeting that we had, the police

1171
01:34:30,250 --> 01:34:35,310
and fire did have a lot of demographics, a lot of metrics about what's been going on.

1172
01:34:35,630 --> 01:34:38,310
So what are we going to wait for more deaths to happen?

1173
01:34:38,510 --> 01:34:39,810
Wait for a kid to get hurt?

1174
01:34:39,970 --> 01:34:44,010
Well, like you were talking about the kid with having calls on the beats and burning themselves.

1175
01:34:44,850 --> 01:34:47,690
We have to stand up and fight for what's ours.

1176
01:34:47,770 --> 01:34:48,810
That's what I have to say.

1177
01:34:49,030 --> 01:34:51,170
And thank you for doing the great job in listening.

1178
01:34:51,750 --> 01:34:52,450
Thank you, Claudia.

1179
01:34:52,450 --> 01:34:59,870
Megan Colby is next, and on deck is, it's, boy, it looks like Sean.

1180
01:35:07,730 --> 01:35:11,990
Okay, then we'll play the Sean Spencer. Let's hear it next week, but okay, that's on deck.

1181
01:35:12,550 --> 01:35:13,970
Naked, name of the rest of the record. How are you?

1182
01:35:14,270 --> 01:35:20,410
Megan Colby, 1269 Royal Oak Drive and Dunedin. I'm good evening, everyone. I'm here tonight, not only to

1183
01:35:20,410 --> 01:35:25,490
represent the Suncoe Sierra Club and our group support of this ordinance, but also as a Dunedin resident.

1184
01:35:26,510 --> 01:35:31,310
I would, I, I, I, I'm sorry. I'd like to once again thank the committee, the City Committee

1185
01:35:31,310 --> 01:35:35,150
is local organizations in all the Dunnian residents who have shared their common comments

1186
01:35:35,150 --> 01:35:38,890
on the proposed ordinance. I was here during the first reading and while I'm grateful that

1187
01:35:38,890 --> 01:35:42,670
you listened to and considered everyone's comments. I was also relieved that you chose

1188
01:35:42,670 --> 01:35:47,070
to represent your constituents with your vote. I was out at the cause of age just a couple of

1189
01:35:47,070 --> 01:35:51,150
weeks ago to take a look at the area that had recently reopened on the south side for people

1190
01:35:51,150 --> 01:35:57,390
to walk on. It was very quiet there. The shore birds were waiting. Just a few feet out.

1191
01:35:57,430 --> 01:36:02,490
I could see the sea grass beds clearly. Someone was fishing nearby. The sand was very soft

1192
01:36:02,490 --> 01:36:06,990
and it seemed to be washed out a bit already from a recent rain storm. I could just imagine

1193
01:36:06,990 --> 01:36:10,430
how much more damage would be caused to the shoreline by backing in a trailer with a small

1194
01:36:10,430 --> 01:36:15,490
boat or a personal water craft. As a Sierra Club, we're going to be continuing to advocate for

1195
01:36:15,490 --> 01:36:19,790
the addition of native plantings, like mangroves, sea grapes and native grasses along the

1196
01:36:19,790 --> 01:36:25,150
to create an even more resilient shoreline for water clarity and for a local wildlife.

1197
01:36:25,410 --> 01:36:28,330
But with this new ordinance, we'll have a head start on the continued improvements.

1198
01:36:28,810 --> 01:36:29,730
So thank you very much.

1199
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:30,810
Thank you.

1200
01:36:31,770 --> 01:36:35,530
Okay, next is Sean Spencer and on deck is Harry Mathews.

1201
01:36:39,660 --> 01:36:40,180
Sean Spencer.

1202
01:36:44,060 --> 01:36:49,380
Okay, well let's have Harry Mathews come on up and we'll leave that on deck for one more time.

1203
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:52,770
Name and address for the record.

1204
01:36:53,610 --> 01:36:54,690
We'll vote you next.

1205
01:36:55,110 --> 01:36:55,710
Just be ready.

1206
01:36:56,410 --> 01:37:01,010
Harry Matthews, 646 Scotland Street, a member of the

1207
01:37:01,010 --> 01:37:03,870
Cosway Committee and the Marine Advisory Committee

1208
01:37:03,870 --> 01:37:05,630
speaking on my own behalf.

1209
01:37:06,670 --> 01:37:10,510
I want to say that, grudgingly, I think we're doing the right thing.

1210
01:37:11,530 --> 01:37:12,950
I don't like it.

1211
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:17,030
One of the men came to the Cosway Committee and said,

1212
01:37:17,090 --> 01:37:21,530
I've been launching my boat there for years to go a little

1213
01:37:21,530 --> 01:37:23,830
small fishing boat, and I'm thinking the same thing.

1214
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:25,590
I've launched my little dinghy there sometimes.

1215
01:37:26,330 --> 01:37:33,130
But because of a group that's overwhelmed us, we have to say, we have to stop it.

1216
01:37:33,250 --> 01:37:34,330
I get it.

1217
01:37:34,330 --> 01:37:35,130
I don't like it.

1218
01:37:35,390 --> 01:37:38,070
I'm not against Jetsky, so I'm not against the Jetsky groups.

1219
01:37:38,970 --> 01:37:43,450
I'm just, it just caught to the point where we can't manage it.

1220
01:37:43,870 --> 01:37:49,330
The young man that just said, let's build it, you know, limited ramp and control it.

1221
01:37:49,470 --> 01:37:52,690
That was one of the things I brought up with the committee was to say, hey, how about

1222
01:37:52,690 --> 01:37:54,910
if we do permits or stickers or how do we do that?

1223
01:37:54,910 --> 01:38:00,090
with the city. I think with the timing that we have, there's no way to open this back up and

1224
01:38:00,090 --> 01:38:05,590
then close it. We have to do what we're doing. But I would hope that we could be a little bit

1225
01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:11,570
more creative, maybe in the future, and figure out some way to do both. How do we let the guy go

1226
01:38:11,570 --> 01:38:16,090
fishing with his, you know, with his friends or his kids, with the guy that lives in far away a state

1227
01:38:16,090 --> 01:38:21,150
state, the jet ski, but when there's hundreds out there, it's unbelievable. It's just overwhelming.

1228
01:38:21,150 --> 01:38:28,290
we can't do it. One of the things we could think about is the bridge when the planning actually starts

1229
01:38:28,290 --> 01:38:33,530
on the bridge or maybe before it starts. I know some of it's already started, but push forward

1230
01:38:33,530 --> 01:38:38,390
and say can we put a ramp there? Similar to something that's like a bell air causeway.

1231
01:38:38,950 --> 01:38:43,870
Some way that we can accommodate, there aren't enough ramps and done, we're struggling with that

1232
01:38:43,870 --> 01:38:49,450
at Dunning Marina now. How do we manage the overwhelming cry for the ramp? So when we build a

1233
01:38:49,450 --> 01:38:59,790
we may be pushed to the county in the state, so hey listen, can we add, can we put a ramp in there some place for limited number of cars but some cars the park?

1234
01:39:00,970 --> 01:39:09,490
I missed the bonfires, there were great, those were the days, but they're not here now, but we should be able to do something that accommodates those.

1235
01:39:09,690 --> 01:39:11,110
Let me see what else.

1236
01:39:11,950 --> 01:39:13,230
That's all I have.

1237
01:39:13,950 --> 01:39:16,790
Thanks for your time, thanks for listening and thanks for your efforts.

1238
01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:19,270
Thank you very appreciate it.

1239
01:39:19,650 --> 01:39:22,370
Okay, Sean Spencer and Undec will be Nancy Smith,

1240
01:39:26,940 --> 01:39:29,760
name and address for the record in 20 minutes.

1241
01:39:30,380 --> 01:39:34,260
Sean Spencer 4250 would field Avenue, holiday Florida.

1242
01:39:36,510 --> 01:39:39,510
So I'm not going to try to convince you guys to reopen the causeway.

1243
01:39:39,610 --> 01:39:41,050
Your decision is already made.

1244
01:39:41,250 --> 01:39:43,390
Why can't you tell you is how we're going to affect Dundiedon?

1245
01:39:44,030 --> 01:39:46,870
Our group has over a million strong enthusiasts.

1246
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:50,010
We're spreading the word to stay out of Dundiedon.

1247
01:39:50,010 --> 01:39:54,950
Don't go to your gas stations, don't go to your hotels and said we're moving our people to Pasco.

1248
01:39:55,450 --> 01:39:59,650
They're excited for us. They're embracing us. And I really hope this, because it's hurting.

1249
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,020
Your money. That's what it boils down to as money. And we're taking a large portion of that out. Something

1250
01:40:06,020 --> 01:40:12,840
considered before you move forward. Thank you. Thank you, Sean. Appreciate your input. Okay, Nancy Smith is next,

1251
01:40:13,180 --> 01:40:21,380
and on deck will be John Lobier. I think I'm close. I'm on Helen Street. Okay, Nancy.

1252
01:40:21,820 --> 01:40:26,720
Name and address for the record through. Nancy Smith, 1380, Daphatau Place. It's on Nathan.

1253
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:33,000
Good evening, Mayor, commissioners, and here a few times.

1254
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:42,020
I am a member of the Coastway in Coastal Woodways Committee, and as you are aware, for

1255
01:40:42,020 --> 01:40:51,500
a few years, the agenda of this committee had issues that were related to problems with

1256
01:40:52,640 --> 01:41:01,320
Justky activity on the causeway and the problems associated with it included traffic disruptions

1257
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:06,700
need for police presence on the causeway and in the water almost every weekend.

1258
01:41:07,220 --> 01:41:10,160
Silla merchandise, justky rentals.

1259
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:15,900
These were some of the things that we were constantly being dealing with.

1260
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:21,480
As a member of this committee, we worked with the city, we worked with the county, we

1261
01:41:21,480 --> 01:41:28,220
work with the police, we work with FWC, and neighboring community groups to try to remediate

1262
01:41:28,220 --> 01:41:29,480
some of these issues.

1263
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:36,600
It really was after a lot of consideration that we made this recommendation to the Commission

1264
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:39,940
to prohibit the launching of motorized watercraft.

1265
01:41:40,100 --> 01:41:44,500
It was not an easy decision to make, it was really a heavy decision to make.

1266
01:41:44,500 --> 01:41:53,420
It was certainly very pleased with your support, and just a quick note, our decision had

1267
01:41:53,420 --> 01:41:55,300
absolutely nothing to do with Seagress.

1268
01:41:55,820 --> 01:42:00,720
I know that's come into this, but it was really related to a lot of problems that we're

1269
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:08,020
experiencing on the causeway because of the volume of the Geskese and the manpower that was

1270
01:42:08,020 --> 01:42:10,220
being involved taking care of these issues.

1271
01:42:12,780 --> 01:42:17,460
I'd like to just point out, for everybody,

1272
01:42:19,580 --> 01:42:22,420
the attachments in the agenda tonight, I think

1273
01:42:22,420 --> 01:42:31,320
are noteworthy in that they show the various organizations that are supporting this recommendation.

1274
01:42:31,700 --> 01:42:32,900
And I think that's important.

1275
01:42:32,900 --> 01:42:40,620
disability, CR club, Tampa Bay Estuary program, the Winlises, the Dunedian Beach Civic Association,

1276
01:42:41,420 --> 01:42:44,820
World Schools, arms, condominiums, and the Penelis County.

1277
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:50,840
It says a lot when you have these various groups in support of this recommendation.

1278
01:42:53,300 --> 01:43:00,140
And the support of these organizations, I think, validates this recommendation and the action by the city.

1279
01:43:02,180 --> 01:43:08,780
I'd like to make one other observation, not related to this so much, but it's the activity

1280
01:43:08,780 --> 01:43:10,880
on the causeway.

1281
01:43:11,580 --> 01:43:17,080
I'm involved with Honeymoon Island, and I'm aware that in one year they have had an increase

1282
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:20,700
500,000 visitors in one year.

1283
01:43:21,180 --> 01:43:26,040
There was a tremendous amount of activity on that causeway, not just at Honeymoon with

1284
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:29,220
traffic, but more and more people enjoying the beach.

1285
01:43:29,220 --> 01:43:31,280
Thank you, Nancy, appreciate it.

1286
01:43:31,420 --> 01:43:32,220
Thanks for the important.

1287
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:33,460
Thanks for all you do on the committee.

1288
01:43:34,300 --> 01:43:35,440
Okay, next is John.

1289
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:37,360
I think it's Lobby here, by Senator.

1290
01:43:37,820 --> 01:43:38,220
Lobby here?

1291
01:43:38,540 --> 01:43:40,220
Okay, and on deck is read of fully.

1292
01:43:43,860 --> 01:43:44,100
Thank you.

1293
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:44,480
Thank you.

1294
01:43:45,540 --> 01:43:47,220
Yeah, I'm John Lobby here.

1295
01:43:47,260 --> 01:43:48,700
Four, three, six, Helen Street.

1296
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:49,660
Done even Florida.

1297
01:43:50,860 --> 01:43:51,640
Navy veteran.

1298
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:53,840
Been in Dutton, like 10 years.

1299
01:43:55,680 --> 01:44:02,020
I feel that this decision was made before the hurricanes in 2020.

1300
01:44:02,020 --> 01:44:10,440
24, because as soon as that, cause we had any little bit of problems, close it.

1301
01:44:11,180 --> 01:44:21,280
The beach area where people use opened up quickly, which had boats, jet skis, other things,

1302
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:23,140
piled up on the side.

1303
01:44:23,660 --> 01:44:29,460
Now, the other side, they had barrels up before the concrete blocks, and they weren't there

1304
01:44:29,460 --> 01:44:36,400
sometimes, and I had been down there. I didn't even launch down there a couple of weeks

1305
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:44,000
after the hurricane. There was no damage. You know, there was some ruts, water ruts. That area

1306
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:55,120
was an overrun. The water didn't top over the causeway, like it did down on that. West south side,

1307
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:58,800
putting boats up against the pine trees.

1308
01:45:00,590 --> 01:45:11,530
I think this was all an excuse. The opportunity presented itself, and you closed it, and it's been closed.

1309
01:45:12,530 --> 01:45:25,610
Now let's just think if we close the entire causeway. What would be the impact then, environmental, would they be more serious? Would they be less accidents?

1310
01:45:25,610 --> 01:45:33,870
But if there was no paddle borders out there running in a boat channel, they sit in the

1311
01:45:33,870 --> 01:45:37,270
boat channel, like they like it there.

1312
01:45:38,270 --> 01:45:39,450
Don't ask me,

1313
01:45:45,500 --> 01:45:50,760
there's thousands of places for people to go enjoy the water on a paddle

1314
01:45:50,760 --> 01:46:01,100
forward, sit at the beach, in the water, much nicer than the need in causway. That's gravel,

1315
01:46:01,740 --> 01:46:02,300
rock.

1316
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:11,320
There's nothing pleasant about that. People like going there because they could

1317
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:18,540
pull their car up close, they get all their stuff right there. They're happy. Same thing

1318
01:46:18,540 --> 01:46:24,320
with a jet's here, or personal watercraft or the fishermen, they want to be able to bring

1319
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:32,280
yourself up close. You know, yes, have a group of people. Have fun. Enjoy the waterway.

1320
01:46:35,380 --> 01:46:40,260
That's pretty much what I got to say. Thank you, John. Certainly appreciate your input.

1321
01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:45,180
Okay, read a fully and that's the last card I have.

1322
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:50,320
You may address for the record in three minutes.

1323
01:46:54,010 --> 01:46:56,870
you've done even 3, 4, 6, 9, 8.

1324
01:46:57,630 --> 01:46:57,870
Thank you.

1325
01:46:58,030 --> 01:46:59,970
Good evening, honorable mayor and commissioners.

1326
01:47:00,470 --> 01:47:01,450
My name is Rita Foley.

1327
01:47:01,510 --> 01:47:02,550
I'm a done-eated resident.

1328
01:47:03,070 --> 01:47:06,070
I'm returning from July to also speak to this issue.

1329
01:47:07,650 --> 01:47:12,130
So, merely alternative sites for launching do exist, as they made clear.

1330
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:18,850
The post hurricane hauled his proof-of-this, sparking a beautiful ecological and rebirth

1331
01:47:18,850 --> 01:47:19,970
of our marine life.

1332
01:47:19,970 --> 01:47:32,330
I do think that the jet ski community has regrettably suffered damage to their reputation as a whole because of repeated irresponsible actions on the part of a minority of jet ski owners, and that is unfortunate.

1333
01:47:33,670 --> 01:47:46,390
However, these incidents, as documented in the Pinellas County Sheriff's reports, do show that there is a problem that existing ordinances and the current tools available to law enforcement have failed to mitigate.

1334
01:47:47,590 --> 01:47:54,410
families, kayakers, swimmers, paddle boarders, they cannot safely co-exist in that narrow area

1335
01:47:54,410 --> 01:48:00,210
with the high-speed water craft. I would say please prioritize Dunnied in safety and

1336
01:48:00,210 --> 01:48:07,470
environment, and respectfully urge you to vote in favor of ordinance 26-8. Thank you.

1337
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:13,170
Thank you, Regent. Okay, is there anyone else in the audience that does wish to come forward and

1338
01:48:13,170 --> 01:48:14,330
on this issue.

1339
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:22,380
Okay? Seeing no one, I will close the public input section of this and I will

1340
01:48:22,380 --> 01:48:25,700
I will last my fellow commissioners, is there any follow up questions at all that you

1341
01:48:25,700 --> 01:48:33,200
needed to ask before we go into commission comments? Okay, so I will go to commission comments,

1342
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:36,360
starting with the Maker of the Motion, which is Commissioner Gal.

1343
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:43,200
Very good. You know, part of

1344
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:57,240
My opinion, part of this challenge is not something that happened two years ago or some resident speakers said we even had it down before.

1345
01:48:57,580 --> 01:49:06,600
I think this is a problem that started a hundred years ago, and I think it's done a non-dunning group, an MS County group, Pasco group.

1346
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:16,760
I think local governments done even included really didn't anticipate the access to the water.

1347
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:22,540
We have very, very limited access to the water.

1348
01:49:23,460 --> 01:49:28,400
And so we thought we have had groups that have wanted a sailing center in Dunning,

1349
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:31,580
where you're going to put it. We can't put it anywhere.

1350
01:49:31,580 --> 01:49:36,740
Sam and Melanie is a wonderful organization that helps get disabled people out on the water.

1351
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:40,480
They've tried to get access to dining and green.

1352
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:43,560
I think we finally have, but it's very limited.

1353
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:48,300
And so you've got wonderful organizations that are trying to get more people out on the water.

1354
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:49,880
And they can't.

1355
01:49:50,340 --> 01:49:56,600
And I think a lot of that was just decision-making 50 and 60 years ago that could have done better in hindsight.

1356
01:49:57,440 --> 01:49:59,980
For the people that live in Pasco County, I mentioned that on the first.

1357
01:50:15,900 --> 01:50:29,800
I'm going to repeat myself, I guess, a lot from the first reading, because I did kind of pull my soul out there. This really is a population problem.

1358
01:50:30,500 --> 01:50:35,540
not just an increase in the population, but also the desire of the people that now live

1359
01:50:35,540 --> 01:50:35,920
here.

1360
01:50:36,260 --> 01:50:38,440
We have a much greater focus on the environment.

1361
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:48,100
We can say and discuss that stormwater monof is by far the bigger damage,

1362
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:51,040
whatever,

1363
01:50:51,900 --> 01:50:55,380
to the sea grass, and I don't know that I can agree or disagree with that.

1364
01:50:55,580 --> 01:51:00,380
There's certainly damage that comes from stormwater, and we are doing as much as we can

1365
01:51:00,380 --> 01:51:05,580
to rectify that. If you remember what used to get pouring out of the pipes at we

1366
01:51:05,580 --> 01:51:09,600
report, you couldn't swim at we report. I don't know you do it now, but it certainly

1367
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:14,480
smells and looks and is a lot healthier body of water today because of what we've done

1368
01:51:14,480 --> 01:51:20,400
with our storm water on off, what we've done with our wastewater. And so we are learning.

1369
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:27,120
Again, there was a time when we felt we couldn't do any damage to the oceans. I was just

1370
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:35,660
reading an article today about 500,000 barrels of radioactive waste were dumped in the North Atlantic

1371
01:51:35,660 --> 01:51:42,600
between 1950 and 1990 because they truly thought that was a good receptacle to get rid

1372
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:43,500
of radioactive waste.

1373
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:45,820
Yes, I guess what they're saying now.

1374
01:51:46,900 --> 01:51:54,660
So we're all learning as we go and so now that we know what are we going to do about it.

1375
01:51:54,660 --> 01:52:00,120
And the population growth, it's to the point where it's 10 pounds of

1376
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:03,820
a magnified pound bucket, something's got to give.

1377
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:13,340
And as far as the, and I do like the idea of, let's not back it all the way around,

1378
01:52:13,420 --> 01:52:17,980
but is there some middle ground to me do smaller, is there a smaller swath of

1379
01:52:17,980 --> 01:52:20,660
land that we can use and kind of control it?

1380
01:52:21,160 --> 01:52:23,520
One, the enforcement on that is going to be the big issue.

1381
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:27,140
We're going to have people screaming and honoring for better enforcement on the jet skis.

1382
01:52:27,480 --> 01:52:29,620
We already have them screaming and honoring about e-bikes.

1383
01:52:30,060 --> 01:52:32,700
We already have them screaming and honoring about speeders through neighborhoods.

1384
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:35,220
And so what is the cost of law enforcement?

1385
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:37,280
What's the cost of living in the community?

1386
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:42,160
And in hiring more law enforcement can't always be the answer.

1387
01:52:42,620 --> 01:52:45,500
We are also getting hit hard on budget constraints.

1388
01:52:45,860 --> 01:52:51,260
And there's a three that's coming up that might eliminate our ability to have sheriff at all.

1389
01:52:51,480 --> 01:52:53,160
Because that's all paid through property taxes.

1390
01:52:53,160 --> 01:53:00,340
So enforcement has to be taken into consideration, and the ability of not being able to enforce that when you do.

1391
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:09,520
We can come up with all kinds of reasons on why you couldn't do this because it's man-made, because of this.

1392
01:53:10,220 --> 01:53:24,020
If this isn't a solve every issue problem, yes, if this votes through today and their band, that doesn't mean you're not going to get somebody that's going to try.

1393
01:53:25,300 --> 01:53:31,280
Just as much as we have speed limits and there's people who speed, there's people who drive

1394
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:35,280
recklessly, people are going to do what they're going to do.

1395
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:40,220
As far as that middle ground is concerned, I wholeheartedly agree with that, the permitting

1396
01:53:40,220 --> 01:53:43,100
getting a license and that's what we have a Marine Corps.

1397
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:54,000
And so I said it on the first reading, I'll say it again today, we need to look at the

1398
01:53:54,000 --> 01:54:00,160
at the arena, what does that cost, what does enforcement look like, because that would be a place that you do that.

1399
01:54:01,060 --> 01:54:07,340
And so it's not like we're getting rid of jet skis, it's just we're focusing. So it's not it's just no on the causeway,

1400
01:54:07,740 --> 01:54:10,080
not no completely, we've got a place for them.

1401
01:54:12,220 --> 01:54:17,040
But I certainly do appreciate everybody that came out tonight. It really is amazing.

1402
01:54:18,020 --> 01:54:23,000
And especially if it's not just tonight but you came for the first reading as well, that is crazy.

1403
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:25,920
I just love the democracy, I love people coming out.

1404
01:54:26,260 --> 01:54:32,280
I love the emails that we got, I love we also need to take into consideration the number

1405
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:35,240
of civic organizations that assigned the letter, sale, and velvety.

1406
01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:39,400
So it's not just the emails we get, it's all the organizations that are done in the

1407
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:47,480
step of Royal Steward Arms, the Civic, Civic Association, Sierra Club, is coming out tonight

1408
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:48,260
in favor.

1409
01:54:48,260 --> 01:54:55,840
So we have all these groups so it's not just a resonant thing, it's the group of resonances,

1410
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:59,960
the total number of voices that are speaking out and when...

1411
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:12,080
And a far majority of those people speaking out for the band are also done in residents, just really, really puts us in the position.

1412
01:55:13,660 --> 01:55:17,480
So those are my comments for tonight. I will be voting in favor of this.

1413
01:55:18,300 --> 01:55:21,380
Thank you. Okay, second or the motion. Vice Mayor, final comments?

1414
01:55:22,220 --> 01:55:22,760
Thank you, Mayor.

1415
01:55:24,810 --> 01:55:35,310
There's a slide that if you could pull it up, it's the overhead area, the one with the alternative launch locations.

1416
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:40,520
That one, yep.

1417
01:55:41,380 --> 01:55:54,020
I don't know if you can zoom in on the causeway there, but this is not necessarily against the jet skiers.

1418
01:55:54,900 --> 01:56:04,960
And there were a couple comments that were made with regards to, you know, there's, there's a minority that exhibits worse

1419
01:56:07,070 --> 01:56:08,710
behavior than others.

1420
01:56:11,070 --> 01:56:22,290
Now, with that said, if you, you know, the one thing that I think is missing from this slide deck is the zoomed in picture of the overall area there on the causeway.

1421
01:56:22,290 --> 01:56:29,270
This is really about two issues, number one, safety, and number two, lack of infrastructure.

1422
01:56:31,770 --> 01:56:37,790
And I wish Carol Warner had stuck around for this, but she was absolutely right.

1423
01:56:38,950 --> 01:56:42,950
Since the storms, first of all, let me just describe that area.

1424
01:56:43,050 --> 01:56:46,570
I know this area very well. I'm a captain on the Calidesy ferry.

1425
01:56:46,570 --> 01:56:53,310
So, I am out there, I have been out there on the best days and I have been out there on the worst days.

1426
01:56:54,630 --> 01:57:04,570
And that area where the jet skis are launching from the south side of the Cosway is very constricted.

1427
01:57:05,330 --> 01:57:14,050
The channel there is narrow and there is just not any room for error there.

1428
01:57:14,050 --> 01:57:27,530
And you add into the mix, just ears who, you know, don't know the area, possibly have been drinking during the day.

1429
01:57:28,670 --> 01:57:38,190
I will say that that is just a recipe for disaster, and we've already seen what can happen.

1430
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:48,680
Now, fast-forward through the course of this, I started driving the ferry in 2022 after the

1431
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:49,180
hurricanes.

1432
01:57:49,620 --> 01:57:54,220
I want to talk a little bit about how the topography changed, and it changed significantly.

1433
01:57:56,120 --> 01:58:02,480
The sandbar to the north of Caledisi is now extended almost well, actually, there's

1434
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:06,480
part of it at low tide that actually is in the channel itself.

1435
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:16,680
the sandbar to the west of Hyandry, that has expanded more to the west.

1436
01:58:18,060 --> 01:58:26,000
Hurricane Pass has become so concluded, there is actually a channel marker that's sitting

1437
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:34,900
on the beach, so the area has just gotten more dangerous, and now so you put into the mix,

1438
01:58:34,900 --> 01:58:43,080
The boaters who use the channel to go out to the Gulf or come in from the Gulf and go back to

1439
01:58:43,800 --> 01:58:51,220
St. Joseph's Sound or whichever Marina they come from. They use that channel and that is the designated channel.

1440
01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:58,800
Take into account launching these jet skis from a very constructed area of the Cosway.

1441
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:09,620
is now introduced just complete nutter chaos, and so it is a safety issue, and the other

1442
01:59:09,620 --> 01:59:11,560
part of it is this lack of infrastructure.

1443
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:15,480
The area where they're launching the jet skis,

1444
01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:24,940
there's no infrastructure there. That's just pure beach, and it's just the wrong place,

1445
01:59:25,800 --> 01:59:33,840
And I do want to take just kind of take reception to comment that was made with regards to the impact of the environment.

1446
01:59:35,420 --> 01:59:42,680
I want to say Nancy Smith, your recognition of the denied in groups that support this.

1447
01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:44,540
You are absolutely right.

1448
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:52,440
These are the organizations that make up our water, our burning, our coastal community.

1449
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:58,700
And I have a lot of respect for those groups.

1450
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:12,260
But the environment itself, I, there was a, there was a YouTube video that Johnny Cores had put out and he had done this thing where he had done a shot.

1451
02:00:12,760 --> 02:00:20,660
He's the guy with the drones out there and, you know, the funny thing about it is, I never would have thought there are that many sharks.

1452
02:00:20,660 --> 02:00:33,160
in St. Joseph's sound, but there are, but he made the point of showing the area during the

1453
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:38,360
period of time, it was before the hurricanes, the jet skis were launching from the Cosway,

1454
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:47,580
and then he took overhead video of several years after the hurricanes when the jet skis were

1455
02:00:47,580 --> 02:00:54,180
launching from there and what you can see and I get the idea that turbidity can be somewhat

1456
02:00:54,180 --> 02:00:59,180
seasonal but the fact is without the jet skis the turbidity goes down so the water the

1457
02:00:59,180 --> 02:01:08,700
direct light that hits the sea grass is is more prevalent and of course the the point in

1458
02:01:08,700 --> 02:01:18,760
this is before I wrap up here is though is from those videos you could clearly see a more robust

1459
02:01:21,380 --> 02:01:29,740
So, you know, I, you know, again, this isn't about the jet skiers, this is about just doing the right thing for our community.

1460
02:01:31,080 --> 02:01:32,040
Thank you.

1461
02:01:32,500 --> 02:01:34,240
Hey, final comments, Mr. Sanberg?

1462
02:01:36,540 --> 02:01:41,580
You know, if you're on one of our board's or committees, you know, I see you out here.

1463
02:01:42,180 --> 02:01:48,020
You're on them because this is your specialty, this is what you understand and you understand it a lot more than I do.

1464
02:01:48,020 --> 02:01:56,360
And a lot of work went in for the groups to come up with these opinions, and I consider

1465
02:01:56,360 --> 02:01:57,280
you to be the experts.

1466
02:01:58,040 --> 02:02:06,800
I think there's probably very few operators of these personal watercraft that made it bad

1467
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:07,460
for everybody.

1468
02:02:07,860 --> 02:02:11,960
It may be I'm wrong, maybe I'm wrong, but it just, you know, even from the last meeting,

1469
02:02:12,180 --> 02:02:17,320
there was some of them that, you know, we're going to ride and that's what we do and we'll

1470
02:02:17,320 --> 02:02:26,460
back and I appreciate all the time and energy that went into this and I will support bringing

1471
02:02:26,460 --> 02:02:27,420
it to an end tonight.

1472
02:02:28,340 --> 02:02:28,820
Thank you, Mayor.

1473
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:30,480
I don't come in.

1474
02:02:30,640 --> 02:02:31,260
Commissioner DeGarde.

1475
02:02:32,360 --> 02:02:32,840
Thank you, Mayor.

1476
02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:35,480
We have

1477
02:02:37,940 --> 02:02:43,600
on numerous occasions found ourselves in a situation where we're trying to balance the

1478
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:48,080
rights of the collective versus the rights of the individual and I think this is another

1479
02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:55,280
example of that. We find ourselves not wanting to limit certain things because we enjoy the toys

1480
02:02:55,280 --> 02:03:03,920
we have. Those are jet skis of fun. And yet there's the rights of the collective to have a healthy

1481
02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:12,500
sound to have a place where they can walk down the trail, not hear the roar of the jet ski. Now I need to

1482
02:03:12,500 --> 02:03:16,340
keep us focused on the fact that we're not talking about what goes on in the sound, we're just

1483
02:03:16,340 --> 02:03:19,900
talking about what goes on on the causeway and what can launch from it.

1484
02:03:20,160 --> 02:03:23,040
What can go on in the sound as I was reminded by our manager,

1485
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:26,180
a phone conversation, while I was in the room,

1486
02:03:26,440 --> 02:03:28,060
we can't stop that.

1487
02:03:28,760 --> 02:03:30,320
That's not where we are right now,

1488
02:03:30,500 --> 02:03:32,700
but where we are is that we do

1489
02:03:32,700 --> 02:03:35,720
and can control the launch from the causeway.

1490
02:03:36,680 --> 02:03:37,740
And that's what we're proposing.

1491
02:03:40,650 --> 02:03:43,370
And as one that used to protest when I was younger,

1492
02:03:44,050 --> 02:03:46,350
I hate to see the rights of the individual hampered,

1493
02:03:46,350 --> 02:03:53,430
It always bothers me, but then again, there's the rights of the collective and we'll have to weigh that.

1494
02:03:53,670 --> 02:04:01,090
And I think in this particular instance, we find that the rights of the collective have to supersede the rights of the individual.

1495
02:04:02,250 --> 02:04:14,050
It's just going to have to be that way for a number of reasons, not just one, not the sea grass, not just safety, but actually for a number of reasons.

1496
02:04:15,750 --> 02:04:24,430
So I am in support of this, but before I conclude, I need to complement the staff on doing an excellent job of presentation.

1497
02:04:25,150 --> 02:04:32,210
I was sitting up there watching Nicole trying to figure out a way to expand that photo and I'm thinking, she looked at me, told me, and he's going, I don't know.

1498
02:04:33,830 --> 02:04:35,190
They've worked really hard on this.

1499
02:04:35,230 --> 02:04:36,070
You did a great job.

1500
02:04:36,570 --> 02:04:37,330
Excellent job.

1501
02:04:37,330 --> 02:04:43,870
And also the Cosric Committee, they brought this forward in a very good package with cogent thinking.

1502
02:04:44,450 --> 02:04:49,170
It makes it so much easier on us when we're hearing your thoughts come forward as the way they did.

1503
02:04:49,650 --> 02:04:56,230
And even those that oppose this particular proposition, you did so in a fashion of respect,

1504
02:04:57,250 --> 02:04:59,830
and you did so and you brought honor to yourselves.

1505
02:05:00,910 --> 02:05:10,970
So, it's hard to vote against you when you do that. But in this particular case, the collective will have to be our guy. Thank you, Mayor.

1506
02:05:12,610 --> 02:05:24,430
Thank you. Well, I'm not going to repeat. There's been a lot to say that I agree with. For me, it kind of comes down to there's just a lot going on in that cause.

1507
02:05:24,430 --> 02:05:33,390
it. And I was here when they actually decided to give that little space for launching commission

1508
02:05:33,390 --> 02:05:39,790
25 years ago or whatever. So we got to give something right over there too. I got to

1509
02:05:39,790 --> 02:05:45,250
give them something and it made sense and they're still part of me that's like oh and I've

1510
02:05:45,250 --> 02:05:51,070
got neighbors that are like you should give them something. I just think it comes down to a lot

1511
02:05:51,070 --> 02:05:55,810
the smaller crap, vehicles, jet skis, I know it's not all about jet skis, but those sales

1512
02:05:55,810 --> 02:06:01,590
are way up, a lot more people have them. I just think there's a lot going on. There's a

1513
02:06:01,590 --> 02:06:07,430
reason they call it the Wild Wild West out there. And I'm not sure that it's a fit to have

1514
02:06:07,430 --> 02:06:11,910
that launching there. And your word infrastructure was a good one, Vice Mayor. There is

1515
02:06:11,910 --> 02:06:16,730
an infrastructure. And, you know, it's not just the launching, but it's the trailers. I mean,

1516
02:06:16,730 --> 02:06:22,490
It's not intended to be bringing in trailers to do that in my opinion.

1517
02:06:23,270 --> 02:06:31,610
I just think there's too much going on and when you look at safety and traffic, that's

1518
02:06:31,610 --> 02:06:32,430
part of it.

1519
02:06:32,790 --> 02:06:40,110
And last meeting, what a month ago, I'm sitting back and I'm most of the people that spoke

1520
02:06:40,110 --> 02:06:45,910
in favor, or against the man, were from somewhere else.

1521
02:06:46,970 --> 02:06:50,050
And I'm thinking, well, we got lots of traffic of our own out there.

1522
02:06:50,050 --> 02:06:54,090
We don't need to create a lot of things to create more traffic.

1523
02:06:55,630 --> 02:07:02,810
And I respect your comments about, you know, potentially we've certainly didn't set out

1524
02:07:02,810 --> 02:07:03,210
to do this.

1525
02:07:03,470 --> 02:07:07,750
I knew the reason that it was made for that space to be given before, but I just think

1526
02:07:07,750 --> 02:07:08,630
we've outgrown it.

1527
02:07:08,630 --> 02:07:13,450
There's too much going on. There's too many safety issues, too many traffic issues that

1528
02:07:13,450 --> 02:07:17,470
we're dealing with. I always like to say the need and likes to be everything to everyone.

1529
02:07:17,770 --> 02:07:22,410
I think this is just a situation where we just can't be. We have to say what's our primary

1530
02:07:22,410 --> 02:07:37,210
focus out there and we gotta stay with that. And so I also would add that there's not a lot

1531
02:07:37,210 --> 02:07:40,030
which is where the citizens are kind of loud and clear.

1532
02:07:41,110 --> 02:07:42,530
This has kind of been loud and clear.

1533
02:07:42,950 --> 02:07:46,730
Our residents and our committees have been loud and clear.

1534
02:07:48,030 --> 02:07:52,110
And it's tough for a couple of the ones that really don't want the ban

1535
02:07:52,110 --> 02:07:52,850
and I get it.

1536
02:07:52,870 --> 02:07:57,090
And I feel I feel for you, but I have to say,

1537
02:07:57,110 --> 02:08:00,090
between emails and calls and the meetings.

1538
02:08:00,370 --> 02:08:03,030
I mean, there has been a loud, outspoken.

1539
02:08:04,030 --> 02:08:05,730
We don't want this anymore.

1540
02:08:05,730 --> 02:08:09,830
And I've got to respect that because those are the people that put me up here.

1541
02:08:10,110 --> 02:08:15,270
And, but I do respect and I respect how the ones that don't want the band, respectively,

1542
02:08:15,550 --> 02:08:17,510
did come out just like Commissioner Dougard said.

1543
02:08:19,310 --> 02:08:22,590
So I'm in favor of the band, I think it's the right way to go.

1544
02:08:22,750 --> 02:08:27,750
I think we continue to work with the county to make sure we have the proper places for

1545
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:29,350
people to launch.

1546
02:08:30,250 --> 02:08:34,370
That's been a county-wide problem for a long time and now places to launch.

1547
02:08:34,370 --> 02:08:40,650
Watercraft vehicles, but I just this isn't a place to solve it and I don't we can't solve it

1548
02:08:40,650 --> 02:08:42,510
We certainly can't solve it for people in other

1549
02:08:43,030 --> 02:08:43,510
counties

1550
02:08:44,090 --> 02:08:45,050
other cities

1551
02:08:45,770 --> 02:08:48,870
So, um, yeah, so I'm I'm in support of the band and

1552
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:55,020
I'll leave it at that. So we're gonna do roll call book

1553
02:08:55,020 --> 02:08:56,120
Commissioner Gow

1554
02:08:57,200 --> 02:09:05,760
Commissioner Sam Bergen. Aye. Vice Mayor Walker. Aye. Commissioner Ducard. Aye. And Mayor Frany. Aye and that motion

1555
02:09:05,780 --> 02:09:13,240
passes unanimously. And I do want to thank everyone here on both meetings. This one in the

1556
02:09:13,240 --> 02:09:17,960
last one, everybody's been very respectful. There's a lot of valid opinions on both sides.

1557
02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:23,320
And this is what government should look like when people respect each other's opinion and we'll

1558
02:09:23,320 --> 02:09:29,660
keep trying to look for solutions. So, appreciate it. Thank you. Okay, I think we're going to take a break.

1559
02:21:40,980 --> 02:21:57,400
In a city commission, a city of the need for the Mending Resolution O717 by DAPTION, a revised exhibit A to provide a clear and more readable map of the allowable operations of motorized watercraft around the Dunning Causeway, making findings, providing for reasons for such updated map and providing for an effect to date thereof.

1560
02:21:57,740 --> 02:22:03,100
First, I think I need to take a vote on putting it on since it's a start item. Can I have a motion?

1561
02:22:04,340 --> 02:22:09,780
Okay, so I have my mayor and commissioner to guard all in favor.

1562
02:22:09,860 --> 02:22:13,160
All right, all right, any opposed, motion passing in, honestly.

1563
02:22:13,780 --> 02:22:15,280
So now we go to the item itself.

1564
02:22:15,360 --> 02:22:18,920
Jen, can you please read resolution 26-21 by title only.

1565
02:22:19,380 --> 02:22:21,140
Would you done such a nice job of it?

1566
02:22:23,460 --> 02:22:27,040
Resolution 26-21, a resolution of the city commission.

1567
02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:33,980
of the C have done 8 in Florida amending resolution 0.7-17 by adoption of a revised exhibit

1568
02:22:33,980 --> 02:22:39,260
A to provide a clearer, more readable map of the allowable operations of motorized water

1569
02:22:39,260 --> 02:22:45,840
craft around the Dunn Eden causeway, making findings for reasons for such revised map

1570
02:22:45,840 --> 02:22:50,640
and providing for an effective date hereup. That was resolution 2621 right by title only.

1571
02:22:52,440 --> 02:22:55,880
Okay, so we're going to go to staff presentation.

1572
02:22:57,240 --> 02:22:58,460
Would you like a motion?

1573
02:22:59,540 --> 02:23:00,400
Yes, I'm sorry.

1574
02:23:00,500 --> 02:23:01,620
Let me pass that.

1575
02:23:02,180 --> 02:23:02,980
Yes, okay, wait.

1576
02:23:03,520 --> 02:23:04,140
Let's start over.

1577
02:23:04,380 --> 02:23:05,140
Can I have a motion?

1578
02:23:05,440 --> 02:23:05,780
Some moved.

1579
02:23:05,940 --> 02:23:06,060
It's working.

1580
02:23:08,720 --> 02:23:09,320
Nice Mayor.

1581
02:23:09,620 --> 02:23:11,160
Yeah, we got a long way to go too.

1582
02:23:11,540 --> 02:23:11,700
I forgot.

1583
02:23:11,700 --> 02:23:12,920
I got in there first.

1584
02:23:13,140 --> 02:23:13,480
I know.

1585
02:23:13,660 --> 02:23:14,820
Well, he just was.

1586
02:23:16,340 --> 02:23:19,140
I have Vice Mayor and I have Commissioner Degard as a second.

1587
02:23:19,140 --> 02:23:21,600
and the staff presentation is Nicole.

1588
02:23:22,540 --> 02:23:23,280
Good evening.

1589
02:23:23,980 --> 02:23:27,080
Good evening Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commission Nicole Delphino,

1590
02:23:27,500 --> 02:23:29,160
strategy, this microphone's really good.

1591
02:23:29,420 --> 02:23:30,940
Strategy and sustainability manager,

1592
02:23:31,440 --> 02:23:35,660
here to just review with you the resolution before you 2621.

1593
02:23:36,280 --> 02:23:39,660
As displayed on the screen is the original Exhibit A.

1594
02:23:39,900 --> 02:23:41,960
I'll just give a little quick history here.

1595
02:23:42,360 --> 02:23:46,560
On December 6th, 2007, the Dunning City Commission

1596
02:23:46,560 --> 02:23:56,040
adopted resolution 0717, which amended this exhibit a referencing ordinance 54-32. Then again,

1597
02:23:56,260 --> 02:24:03,280
in October 23rd of 2014, the Denning City Commission adopted ordinance 1421, which amended

1598
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:08,720
the entirety of chapter 54, which deals with the causeway usage, including the exhibit a,

1599
02:24:08,800 --> 02:24:14,740
however, at that time there are no updates to the map made itself. So as we were looking at the

1600
02:24:14,740 --> 02:24:21,720
a company ordinance as far as where this map lives in Exhibit A.

1601
02:24:22,340 --> 02:24:29,280
We wanted to, we, we, we've noticed that there were some code references that were made that were outdated code.

1602
02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:35,660
In addition to, as you clearly see, it's very hard to read the designations and the outline.

1603
02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:41,240
And so we are simply here before you today to update the map.

1604
02:24:41,240 --> 02:24:48,240
and here is the proposed map. It's just a cleaner, cleaner picture, same exact map, same

1605
02:24:48,240 --> 02:24:54,480
designations. It does not alter any of the waterway usage designations, but simply provides for

1606
02:24:54,480 --> 02:24:59,980
an updated cleaner and more legible map. It should be noted that it does not again change.

1607
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:23,140
Any of the water designations and it does not pertain to the adjacent land use designations, the change to the map, beyond cleaning it up and making it more legible, include updating the legend, to correct the cited ordinance number, to the correct number, and then also the title bar, which updated the city's address and the resolution number.

1608
02:25:23,140 --> 02:25:32,320
Again, no substantive changes made to the map itself, just providing for a cleaner, updated map as an exhibit A in this ordinance.

1609
02:25:34,060 --> 02:25:38,140
Okay, questions for staff and

1610
02:25:38,940 --> 02:25:41,820
Forget which way I think I'll go with Commissioner Gao.

1611
02:25:41,820 --> 02:25:43,460
Thank you, Mayor. No question.

1612
02:25:44,400 --> 02:25:46,000
Okay, Commissioner Degar.

1613
02:25:46,560 --> 02:25:46,920
Thank you, Mayor.

1614
02:25:46,920 --> 02:25:53,900
The only question I have is in the area that we're now talking about that we've focused on relative to the launch area

1615
02:25:53,900 --> 02:25:57,380
And the fact that it is still for voting

1616
02:25:57,920 --> 02:26:05,680
Why did we consider possibly restoring that whole area there to the watercrap prohibited section?

1617
02:26:05,680 --> 02:26:07,320
Why didn't we bring that down to the bridge?

1618
02:26:07,560 --> 02:26:13,420
Now I understand the bridge, I understand the marina, I understand all of that

1619
02:26:13,420 --> 02:26:20,060
But I don't understand that that area that's city up there in this circle dots. We have treasure out there. I

1620
02:26:20,060 --> 02:26:22,240
One would hope

1621
02:26:23,620 --> 02:26:29,640
To be to be quite frank with you. A mending waterway designations is a much more complex

1622
02:26:30,400 --> 02:26:34,840
Process that would involve him the state the quarter-push and wildlife

1623
02:26:34,840 --> 02:26:41,020
Making changes to those designations. This is set by them. And so this was referenced in our code

1624
02:26:41,020 --> 02:26:45,300
And again, this is why we wanted to just update it to make it clearer.

1625
02:26:46,680 --> 02:26:47,960
Did you have something else?

1626
02:26:49,940 --> 02:26:56,520
I would add that the timing just did not, right?

1627
02:26:56,760 --> 02:27:01,680
Well, the timing wasn't right because it would take us a period of time, a year minimum,

1628
02:27:02,180 --> 02:27:03,940
to change the waterway designations.

1629
02:27:04,180 --> 02:27:09,320
And by that time, this beach would be open and open to motorized watercraft.

1630
02:27:09,860 --> 02:27:11,340
That's all I have. Thank you, Mayor.

1631
02:27:11,760 --> 02:27:13,560
It's very agile. I'm sorry, Mayor.

1632
02:27:13,880 --> 02:27:14,100
Yeah, sure.

1633
02:27:14,140 --> 02:27:17,060
It's something as a staff that we discussed.

1634
02:27:17,280 --> 02:27:19,800
I mean, if this doesn't resolve the issue of that congestion,

1635
02:27:20,020 --> 02:27:21,680
then we would certainly come back to an ask for authorization

1636
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:23,520
to proceed with something further.

1637
02:27:24,280 --> 02:27:24,360
Great.

1638
02:27:24,640 --> 02:27:24,880
Okay.

1639
02:27:26,240 --> 02:27:27,880
Questions for staff, face mayor?

1640
02:27:29,160 --> 02:27:29,640
Thank you, Mayor.

1641
02:27:35,920 --> 02:27:37,540
So maybe I'm missing something here,

1642
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:39,940
but the green hatch,

1643
02:27:43,020 --> 02:27:45,140
the right to the west of the bridge there.

1644
02:27:49,430 --> 02:27:51,670
I'll never mind, I figured it out.

1645
02:27:53,910 --> 02:27:56,570
Okay, the yellow hatched area,

1646
02:28:00,660 --> 02:28:03,420
and it's this maybe the picture and I, this is a complete

1647
02:28:03,420 --> 02:28:10,120
net, but you take a look at the legend and compare it to that area there, it looks different,

1648
02:28:10,440 --> 02:28:15,640
it's not as distinct as per, you know, it's not consistent, my opinion.

1649
02:28:16,990 --> 02:28:23,370
the yellow hatched area? Yes. Indicating motorized watercrap

1650
02:28:23,370 --> 02:28:25,990
the heritid and the waterway. Yeah,

1651
02:28:28,380 --> 02:28:32,160
just. Is it because on the right hand

1652
02:28:32,160 --> 02:28:36,860
side it appears like it's the lines are on an angle. Yes. Yes. To cause

1653
02:28:36,860 --> 02:28:41,160
way of order, it appears that there's so they need to be angled. Yes, that's okay.

1654
02:28:42,000 --> 02:28:47,120
It could certainly make that correct. Yeah, it's a small point. Anyway, that's

1655
02:28:48,580 --> 02:28:50,320
It's kind of true for the red, though.

1656
02:28:50,460 --> 02:28:50,740
Isn't it?

1657
02:28:50,740 --> 02:28:54,160
Is the red exactly what the legend is?

1658
02:28:54,860 --> 02:28:56,180
If you tell your head a little.

1659
02:28:56,660 --> 02:28:58,380
Yeah, I was going to say you got to.

1660
02:28:58,780 --> 02:29:00,460
Because it's funny when I was looking at it.

1661
02:29:00,480 --> 02:29:01,260
I saw the same thing.

1662
02:29:01,360 --> 02:29:02,820
I said, these don't match the legend.

1663
02:29:04,220 --> 02:29:07,080
So if you're going to improve the map, you might want it to match the legend.

1664
02:29:08,080 --> 02:29:09,000
All the way around.

1665
02:29:09,140 --> 02:29:10,180
We will make those up to you.

1666
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:11,020
Good catch.

1667
02:29:11,580 --> 02:29:12,340
Good catch.

1668
02:29:13,700 --> 02:29:13,980
All right.

1669
02:29:14,300 --> 02:29:15,020
You're good now.

1670
02:29:15,880 --> 02:29:16,140
Okay.

1671
02:29:16,140 --> 02:29:17,740
for saying Bergen questions?

1672
02:29:18,220 --> 02:29:20,800
I'm going to one up the commission or the vice mayor.

1673
02:29:22,360 --> 02:29:23,560
Zipco's wrong.

1674
02:29:25,780 --> 02:29:26,220
Oh,

1675
02:29:30,770 --> 02:29:33,150
holy god, what, how long?

1676
02:29:33,790 --> 02:29:35,550
You know how many people looked at this?

1677
02:29:42,870 --> 02:29:45,290
I have no other questions, mayor.

1678
02:29:46,430 --> 02:29:59,970
I have a question, so explain to me, okay, so based on the legend, the dotted line is, I see the channel, so the dotted line is what we own, so there's that area.

1679
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:03,980
We're obviously probably the concession area, right?

1680
02:30:07,240 --> 02:30:09,620
Or it's by words as Denying Causeway?

1681
02:30:09,860 --> 02:30:10,700
Yes, ma'am.

1682
02:30:10,900 --> 02:30:14,300
And so that dotted area is where the concession area is, so we own that.

1683
02:30:14,680 --> 02:30:18,520
And we also own the waterway to the right up there.

1684
02:30:18,780 --> 02:30:20,180
That's to the west?

1685
02:30:21,380 --> 02:30:22,260
Yes, yes.

1686
02:30:22,800 --> 02:30:26,320
And we don't know anything up closer to the bridge?

1687
02:30:28,490 --> 02:30:30,610
No, not when it comes to the water.

1688
02:30:33,780 --> 02:30:34,740
Okay.

1689
02:30:37,460 --> 02:30:42,300
Yeah, I guess I'm getting confused with the causeway in the water. Alright, I'm going to leave that alone.

1690
02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:46,100
I'm good. I'm going to follow up. Sure, go ahead.

1691
02:30:46,300 --> 02:30:47,460
Because I'm not going to leave that alone.

1692
02:30:47,740 --> 02:30:48,120
Okay, go.

1693
02:30:49,260 --> 02:30:54,120
So there's the city owned parcels just seem to be very random.

1694
02:30:56,280 --> 02:30:56,440
What?

1695
02:30:57,680 --> 02:31:01,320
Is there a history in that that we aren't aware of or?

1696
02:31:02,860 --> 02:31:08,200
I think Jorge, our deputy city manager, may have some comments.

1697
02:31:17,490 --> 02:31:18,050
We're not.

1698
02:31:18,490 --> 02:31:22,090
We can always wondered myself, and I've known about that.

1699
02:31:22,250 --> 02:31:27,990
It's such a mishmash, and basically the only usable area we have is a concession area, but it's always so kind of crazy.

1700
02:31:29,350 --> 02:31:30,530
So, it would be nice to know this.

1701
02:31:30,750 --> 02:31:33,930
We can under separate cover, if you don't mind, we will look into the mishmash.

1702
02:31:34,410 --> 02:31:37,430
You don't want to talk about it tonight, and go for like a half hour dog and a night.

1703
02:31:38,210 --> 02:31:39,490
I completely agree.

1704
02:31:39,630 --> 02:31:40,570
Is that okay with you, Commissioner?

1705
02:31:41,310 --> 02:31:41,730
Yeah.

1706
02:31:42,710 --> 02:31:43,450
You're not good.

1707
02:31:44,390 --> 02:31:44,510
Okay.

1708
02:31:49,080 --> 02:31:49,240
Okay.

1709
02:31:50,080 --> 02:31:50,380
Okay.

1710
02:31:50,920 --> 02:31:54,380
So is anyone in the audience wish you come forward to speak on this issue?

1711
02:31:56,800 --> 02:31:57,000
Come on.

1712
02:31:57,100 --> 02:31:58,660
Name and address in three minutes.

1713
02:31:59,480 --> 02:32:02,000
Please, I'm like, two, three, zero, six, Jones drive.

1714
02:32:04,220 --> 02:32:05,780
Mr. Walker, you mentioned this earlier.

1715
02:32:06,220 --> 02:32:07,500
I don't know if it's relative to this,

1716
02:32:07,500 --> 02:32:09,880
But that's showing in there is becoming,

1717
02:32:10,300 --> 02:32:13,060
I don't know where this would be addressed,

1718
02:32:13,660 --> 02:32:16,620
but I go through that channel several times a week,

1719
02:32:17,560 --> 02:32:19,000
and at low tide, I just don't go anymore.

1720
02:32:19,560 --> 02:32:21,060
And it's just a matter of time, you're right.

1721
02:32:21,100 --> 02:32:23,060
One of the cans is on the beach.

1722
02:32:24,460 --> 02:32:26,540
I don't know if this represents it,

1723
02:32:26,580 --> 02:32:28,020
or this is where that's addressed,

1724
02:32:29,000 --> 02:32:31,760
but it's gonna be, there's gonna be an accident.

1725
02:32:32,200 --> 02:32:34,340
I mean, there is, there may have already been one.

1726
02:32:34,400 --> 02:32:35,320
See, that's all I have.

1727
02:32:35,320 --> 02:32:40,380
Thank you. Thank you. I mean that could be something we want to get a better understanding of anyway

1728
02:32:40,380 --> 02:32:47,390
I'm not perspective not that we have the overview of that. Well, yeah, I think this tries this is telling this is intended to

1729
02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:51,930
show a little different perspective, but I

1730
02:32:53,040 --> 02:32:54,680
Just to show the

1731
02:32:54,680 --> 02:32:58,340
areas along the causeway that are restricted and not restricted

1732
02:32:59,880 --> 02:33:01,940
but you know there

1733
02:33:02,780 --> 02:33:11,820
I would suggest maybe we have a workshop on just what our city's role is in waterway there.

1734
02:33:12,340 --> 02:33:21,560
I know who's responsibility is, it's the counties, but I mean it's gotten, it's gotten bad.

1735
02:33:22,440 --> 02:33:27,280
Right, just getting an understanding of what sand's moved and what's open and what's not.

1736
02:33:27,380 --> 02:33:29,180
And what is our role in this?

1737
02:33:29,180 --> 02:33:32,320
I think that's there would be a good thing to

1738
02:33:37,210 --> 02:33:41,750
City limits are in the sound so that there is some city responsibility

1739
02:33:42,810 --> 02:33:48,370
And the last time I went for a ride with fire rescue

1740
02:33:48,370 --> 02:33:51,090
They said one of the reasons why they go out

1741
02:33:51,090 --> 02:33:54,650
Trying to get out as frequently as they can because of the changing

1742
02:33:55,770 --> 02:33:59,150
Tides and the channels and so if they're on emergency

1743
02:33:59,150 --> 02:34:02,730
They need to know where they can go and when they can't go

1744
02:34:03,150 --> 02:34:04,510
So, shifting all the time.

1745
02:34:04,790 --> 02:34:04,950
What?

1746
02:34:05,170 --> 02:34:07,710
The fire department's never taken me out on their boat,

1747
02:34:08,010 --> 02:34:08,970
so congratulations.

1748
02:34:10,650 --> 02:34:10,930
Chief.

1749
02:34:11,230 --> 02:34:12,270
You got to send it to the police.

1750
02:34:12,490 --> 02:34:13,430
You got to send it to the police.

1751
02:34:18,450 --> 02:34:18,870
OK.

1752
02:34:19,270 --> 02:34:21,530
Anyone else in the public wishing to come forward

1753
02:34:21,530 --> 02:34:22,670
to speak on this issue?

1754
02:34:24,350 --> 02:34:24,530
OK.

1755
02:34:24,530 --> 02:34:26,290
Seeing no one, I will close public input.

1756
02:34:26,510 --> 02:34:27,970
And I will go to commission comments.

1757
02:34:28,070 --> 02:34:30,050
And I will start with make her the motion vice mayor.

1758
02:34:31,390 --> 02:34:32,050
Thank you, Mayor.

1759
02:34:32,050 --> 02:34:34,530
I really don't have any additional comments on this.

1760
02:34:34,830 --> 02:34:44,740
Obviously, this is, we're seeking to fix and make this more clear.

1761
02:34:45,800 --> 02:34:47,100
So, thank you.

1762
02:34:48,300 --> 02:34:50,100
And second, are the motion for Mr. DeGarde?

1763
02:34:52,120 --> 02:34:54,640
I share my colleague's point of view.

1764
02:34:54,880 --> 02:34:58,360
I think there are a few things that might need to be sanded off a little bit, but with those

1765
02:34:58,360 --> 02:34:59,980
I'm being done, I'm fully...

1766
02:35:02,550 --> 02:35:04,690
Okay, commissioner again?

1767
02:35:06,770 --> 02:35:13,190
I'm in support as well, because if anything, the new map isn't worse than the old map.

1768
02:35:14,690 --> 02:35:17,550
Thank you, I think. So there is progress.

1769
02:35:19,890 --> 02:35:20,910
Thank you, I think.

1770
02:35:23,470 --> 02:35:25,990
Okay, and commissioner Sam Morgan, final comments?

1771
02:35:26,910 --> 02:35:31,210
Well, I've fully support this as long as the zip code is updated and cracked.

1772
02:35:33,170 --> 02:35:34,390
That's as hard as it will.

1773
02:35:35,210 --> 02:35:39,070
And the legend follows the, or the map follows the legend.

1774
02:35:39,790 --> 02:35:41,070
I think I did.

1775
02:35:41,170 --> 02:35:42,850
I thought you were calling Steve a legend.

1776
02:35:44,670 --> 02:35:45,390
What are you?

1777
02:35:46,530 --> 02:35:50,530
There I say that there is some businesses that have the 34697.

1778
02:35:51,470 --> 02:35:52,250
It's the post office.

1779
02:35:53,370 --> 02:35:53,690
Okay.

1780
02:35:55,810 --> 02:35:57,530
I've seen it.

1781
02:35:57,750 --> 02:36:00,630
I don't know about that, but we're going to find out, right?

1782
02:36:01,510 --> 02:36:02,570
Let's find your separate cover.

1783
02:36:02,850 --> 02:36:03,670
Under separate cover.

1784
02:36:03,870 --> 02:36:04,770
Yeah, under separate color.

1785
02:36:04,890 --> 02:36:05,970
You can just check that out.

1786
02:36:06,850 --> 02:36:08,470
We're going to do a roll call vote.

1787
02:36:08,890 --> 02:36:09,870
Commissioner Sam Bergen.

1788
02:36:10,330 --> 02:36:10,350
Hi.

1789
02:36:10,970 --> 02:36:11,690
Commissioner Gow.

1790
02:36:12,450 --> 02:36:13,450
Commissioner Doogard.

1791
02:36:13,530 --> 02:36:13,750
Hi.

1792
02:36:14,230 --> 02:36:15,090
Vice Mayor Walker.

1793
02:36:15,890 --> 02:36:16,530
Mayor Franny.

1794
02:36:16,990 --> 02:36:17,070
Hi.

1795
02:36:17,350 --> 02:36:18,650
And then motion passage unanimously.

1796
02:36:19,430 --> 02:36:19,610
Okay.

1797
02:36:19,850 --> 02:36:23,010
We are going to go to, actually.

1798
02:36:23,010 --> 02:36:29,690
a very important matter here. So 3C Resolution 26-12 is established

1799
02:36:29,690 --> 02:36:34,930
Senate of Miller-Drape, fiscal year 2027, and Resolution 26-13 is established

1800
02:36:34,930 --> 02:36:40,610
tentative operating and capital budget for fiscal year 2027. So I guess Jen, we're going to

1801
02:36:40,610 --> 02:36:43,030
do it one at a time. Is that what we're doing? Yes.

1802
02:36:43,630 --> 02:36:47,030
Okay, so can you please read Resolution 26-12 by title only?

1803
02:36:47,730 --> 02:36:51,390
Resolution 26-12, the Resolution of the City Commission of the City of

1804
02:36:51,390 --> 02:36:57,430
and Florida adopting the tentative millage rate for AdValorum tax revenue for fiscal year

1805
02:36:57,430 --> 02:37:07,130
2026-27 at a rate of 4.1345 mills or $4.13 for $1,000 of assessed property value

1806
02:37:07,130 --> 02:37:11,930
providing for a second and final public hearing date and providing for an effective date.

1807
02:37:11,930 --> 02:37:15,450
That was resolution 26-12 read by title only.

1808
02:37:15,450 --> 02:37:17,170
Okay, can I have a motion?

1809
02:37:18,150 --> 02:37:18,470
So moved.

1810
02:37:20,890 --> 02:37:22,530
Okay, Vice Mayor and Commissioner Samber?

1811
02:37:26,020 --> 02:37:26,500
Okay.

1812
02:37:27,320 --> 02:37:27,620
Okay.

1813
02:37:27,760 --> 02:37:28,460
Staff presentation.

1814
02:37:28,880 --> 02:37:29,680
Lesson Jean.

1815
02:37:33,710 --> 02:37:34,290
So good evening, Mayor.

1816
02:37:34,530 --> 02:37:35,650
Vice Mayor and Commissioner's all kicking off.

1817
02:37:36,130 --> 02:37:42,010
Well, to the manager here, you just jump in there every time you're not on my script.

1818
02:37:42,610 --> 02:37:43,670
So I'll allow you to speak.

1819
02:37:43,810 --> 02:37:44,050
Thank you.

1820
02:37:44,270 --> 02:37:45,370
Thank you very much.

1821
02:37:45,630 --> 02:37:45,710
Thank you.

1822
02:37:45,790 --> 02:37:46,010
Thank you very much.

1823
02:37:47,030 --> 02:37:47,650
Very grateful.

1824
02:37:47,650 --> 02:37:56,710
So as previously mentioned by the city attorney, this is a fiscal year 2027 operating capital budget across all funds.

1825
02:37:56,730 --> 02:38:04,730
The budget is 138 million dollars, 845,566 dollars across all funds.

1826
02:38:04,950 --> 02:38:10,050
So this budget is actually a decrease from the fiscal year 2026 budget.

1827
02:38:10,430 --> 02:38:12,770
Thank you. This is a balanced budget.

1828
02:38:12,770 --> 02:38:18,950
As I've mentioned many, many times, we cannot, by state statute, adopt a deficit budget.

1829
02:38:19,570 --> 02:38:23,350
And now there, what we ever adopt a deficit budget, I don't think the city commission

1830
02:38:23,350 --> 02:38:24,790
would permit that.

1831
02:38:24,970 --> 02:38:29,650
It's a balanced budget at maintain service levels, while decreasing operating expenditures

1832
02:38:29,650 --> 02:38:33,710
in almost all funds in the budget.

1833
02:38:34,030 --> 02:38:38,130
And one of the operating expenditures, it does not decrease, for example, is building fund

1834
02:38:38,130 --> 02:38:42,210
because that's a very well-funded fund, so there was no necessity there.

1835
02:38:42,210 --> 02:38:47,870
The budget is based, as Jennifer said, upon a military to 4.1345 mills, that's $4.13

1836
02:38:47,870 --> 02:38:52,010
for every $1,000 in value of the home.

1837
02:38:52,670 --> 02:38:56,610
That military has been the same as, as we'll tell you, for the last 11 years,

1838
02:38:57,190 --> 02:38:59,890
we have advertised this budget as a tax increase, however.

1839
02:39:00,570 --> 02:39:03,610
And the reason for that is that our property values have increased

1840
02:39:04,570 --> 02:39:07,970
between fiscal year, 2026 and 2027.

1841
02:39:07,970 --> 02:39:13,050
And so the budget needs to be approved by super majority, which is a 4-to-1 vote moving forward.

1842
02:39:15,610 --> 02:39:21,050
As you know, the budget process starts in February, probably a little bit earlier with a strategic planning retreat.

1843
02:39:21,950 --> 02:39:25,950
And then we move forward to two workshops and then two public hearings as well.

1844
02:39:26,370 --> 02:39:28,370
So a great deal of work has gone into this budget.

1845
02:39:28,710 --> 02:39:33,140
It's first of all developed by the departments, the department directors, along with their senior staff.

1846
02:39:33,740 --> 02:39:41,300
They then submit it to finance and finance meets with me and then we meet with a department as well to go over their budgets

1847
02:39:41,300 --> 02:39:45,860
before we present it to the city commission during workshops as we develop the budget.

1848
02:39:46,560 --> 02:39:54,140
So sometimes I think it seems that first public hearing and then the second public hearing on December, December, September 17th

1849
02:39:55,220 --> 02:39:59,980
that there's not a lot of public input but every single one of those is a public hearing.

1850
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:17,700
And public opportunity for the members of the public to address the city commission. So with that, I, less is going to go back over some of this information, and he's going to do that in order to satisfy statute requirements, as far as adopting our budget. So I'll turn it over to the less than Jean. Thank you.

1851
02:40:17,700 --> 02:40:21,560
Thank you. Less Tyler, the Finance Director, I'm here with the Gene, our budget manager.

1852
02:40:22,500 --> 02:40:30,340
And as Gene information, this is resolution 26-12, the tentative millage rate for 2027, and also a resolution 26-13.

1853
02:40:30,800 --> 02:40:37,000
The established and our tentative budget for 2027. We have a few adjustments since our last meeting, and we'll walk through those in a few minutes.

1854
02:40:37,680 --> 02:40:43,380
But I have a few slides that I need to read to follow our trim guidance, and I'll go through those first.

1855
02:40:43,960 --> 02:40:49,780
First, in accordance with Florida Statues 200-065-4C, the city of the need and is holding

1856
02:40:49,780 --> 02:40:53,780
a public carrying this evening on the proposed millage rate and tentative budget for fiscal

1857
02:40:53,780 --> 02:40:54,480
year 27.

1858
02:40:55,380 --> 02:40:58,860
Prior to adoption in the city commission may elect to adjust the tentative millage rate or

1859
02:40:58,860 --> 02:41:00,920
amend the tentative budget as it sees fit.

1860
02:41:01,820 --> 02:41:05,100
Following the adoption staff, we'll publicly announce the percentage at which the tentative

1861
02:41:05,100 --> 02:41:08,480
millage rate exceeds the 2026 ruleback rate.

1862
02:41:08,480 --> 02:41:13,540
Staff will also state the date of the second and final public hearing when the final

1863
02:41:13,540 --> 02:41:16,960
millies rate and the final fiscal year 27 budget will be adopted.

1864
02:41:20,040 --> 02:41:29,840
It maximum millies rate of $4.1345 mills or $4.13 since per $1,000 property value was established through the adoption of resolution

1865
02:41:29,840 --> 02:41:33,840
26-11 on July 23, 2026.

1866
02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:41,620
In accordance with trim, a millage rate of 4.1345 mills is 2.72% above the 2026 rollback rate

1867
02:41:41,620 --> 02:41:47,860
and the rollback rate is 4.0249 mills from growth and property tax value.

1868
02:41:49,320 --> 02:41:55,940
The proposed millage rate, the employer taxes are budgeted at a 95% collection rate in our

1869
02:41:55,940 --> 02:41:59,200
27 budget and that's the minimum required by Florida statute.

1870
02:41:59,780 --> 02:42:09,800
At 4.1345 mills, our Ave Williams taxes are projected to generate 18,626,000 dollars in the general fund.

1871
02:42:10,340 --> 02:42:15,120
And the Ave Williams taxes will account for 38% of all general fund revenues for fiscal year 27.

1872
02:42:18,370 --> 02:42:23,410
Little on the budget process, as Jennifer mentioned, our budget process at the staff level begins.

1873
02:42:23,670 --> 02:42:29,510
Really, at the January mid January we begin working with the Department of Finance Department does.

1874
02:42:29,510 --> 02:42:33,270
And we work through different versions of the budget and work with the City Manager with

1875
02:42:34,650 --> 02:42:38,630
fine-tuned in the budget and making sure we bring a balanced budget proposed to your

1876
02:42:38,630 --> 02:42:39,030
commission.

1877
02:42:39,750 --> 02:42:42,790
The 27 budget was published on June 25th, 2026.

1878
02:42:43,590 --> 02:42:48,010
We had two budget workshops held on July 21st and August 4th.

1879
02:42:48,150 --> 02:42:51,370
The meetings were nearly all day workshops going over reach funding detail.

1880
02:42:52,270 --> 02:42:56,410
And the next section we will walk through is some of your changes since the August 4th

1881
02:42:56,410 --> 02:42:58,390
budget workshop had been made based on commission

1882
02:42:58,390 --> 02:42:59,850
direction and staff input.

1883
02:43:09,420 --> 02:43:12,040
Starting with our revenue, I want to go over some of the

1884
02:43:12,040 --> 02:43:14,980
highlights that have changed in our revenue since the

1885
02:43:14,980 --> 02:43:15,720
last workshop.

1886
02:43:17,120 --> 02:43:19,660
The most significant was, is it had an increase of about

1887
02:43:19,660 --> 02:43:21,140
$645,000.

1888
02:43:21,960 --> 02:43:26,360
And that was with the addition of $750,000 for a

1889
02:43:26,360 --> 02:43:28,960
state appropriation for the high water rescue vehicle

1890
02:43:28,960 --> 02:43:30,020
for the fire department.

1891
02:43:30,400 --> 02:43:33,080
And they show a water main design, which is offset by

1892
02:43:33,080 --> 02:43:39,140
and $14,000 decrease and FEMA revenue reimbursements for storm damage.

1893
02:43:40,620 --> 02:43:48,060
In addition, we had a decrease in debt proceeds of $162,000 due to changes in our anticipated storm damage,

1894
02:43:48,100 --> 02:43:51,140
line of credit financing needs in 2027.

1895
02:43:52,320 --> 02:43:57,680
Next we move to the expenses, the changes since our last meeting and budget workshop

1896
02:43:57,680 --> 02:44:04,360
to. We had a personal cost increase of $40,945 dollars. That was due to some position

1897
02:44:04,360 --> 02:44:09,220
re-classes that were approved in budget workshop number one by the City Commission.

1898
02:44:10,040 --> 02:44:15,980
Operating costs decreased by $80,000 due to bridge inspections were moved out to future year.

1899
02:44:17,620 --> 02:44:22,940
And we also had an increase in capital cost of $515,000 and that change was due mainly to

1900
02:44:22,940 --> 02:44:28,520
an increase of $225,000 in the General Fund for the High Water Rescue Vehicle for the

1901
02:44:28,520 --> 02:44:34,220
Fire Department, and the city received a grant of $200,000 for that vehicle, a state

1902
02:44:34,220 --> 02:44:41,220
appropriation. We had a $290,000 increase in the water wastewater fund for a $50,000 increase

1903
02:44:41,220 --> 02:44:48,400
in the base shore water main project and a $40,000 increase in that same fund in the wastewater

1904
02:44:48,400 --> 02:44:54,880
bypass pump project and also a $200,000 increase for the addition of a water project

1905
02:44:54,880 --> 02:44:57,920
for the replacement of the bleach tank at the water plan.

1906
02:44:59,240 --> 02:44:59,960
Death Service costs.

1907
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:27,120
Decreased by a hundred and two thousand dollars due to changes in our anticipated storm damage for the line of credit needs. We reduce that by sixty-three thousand dollars. We also had the removal of the orthiose lease payment of thirty-eight thousand dollars. That was for the parks maintenance yard. That lease expired in early twenty-six, and that lease of thirty-eight thousand should not have been in the proposed budget, and we took it out for the tenet of budget.

1908
02:45:28,860 --> 02:45:34,540
Next slide shows the impact by each fund, and it shows the revenue change, the expenditure

1909
02:45:34,540 --> 02:45:36,540
change, and then the fund balance change.

1910
02:45:37,140 --> 02:45:41,960
The largest change is the water waste water fund, and that was due to the revenue increase

1911
02:45:41,960 --> 02:45:48,420
for the baser of water mean appropriation, state appropriation, and the others are fairly small

1912
02:45:48,420 --> 02:45:48,920
small amounts.

1913
02:45:49,380 --> 02:45:53,900
But before we go to the next slide, I'd like to ask, we do have a follow-up memo in the staff

1914
02:45:53,900 --> 02:46:03,640
report. It's exib it. Thank you. Do you in the staff? I could walk through that or answer

1915
02:46:03,640 --> 02:46:09,160
any questions. We only have one item in the follow-up memo regarding credit card fees, but

1916
02:46:09,160 --> 02:46:11,060
ask the commission how they like it.

1917
02:46:12,020 --> 02:46:19,840
So questions on this one? I have one, but I'll start over here, Vice Mayor.

1918
02:46:19,840 --> 02:46:22,280
Just, um, what, uh,

1919
02:46:25,720 --> 02:46:27,920
how much did the budget decrease from last year?

1920
02:46:29,640 --> 02:46:30,640
Decrease from last year?

1921
02:46:32,820 --> 02:46:33,280
About 11%

1922
02:46:33,740 --> 02:46:35,060
156 million to 138.

1923
02:46:35,060 --> 02:46:38,100
Over all, over all, over all, I'll 11% decrease.

1924
02:46:38,160 --> 02:46:39,760
Right, until 11%.

1925
02:46:39,760 --> 02:46:40,400
Okay, in total.

1926
02:46:40,800 --> 02:46:41,540
Yeah, okay, that's great.

1927
02:46:41,620 --> 02:46:42,020
Thank you.

1928
02:46:43,900 --> 02:46:45,660
Anything on, uh, follow up.

1929
02:46:45,680 --> 02:46:46,200
Emma, what all?

1930
02:46:46,960 --> 02:46:48,540
Uh, no, nothing on the follow up.

1931
02:46:48,600 --> 02:46:50,380
Okay, um, and I think, uh, Mr. Go.

1932
02:46:50,540 --> 02:46:51,320
Uh, thank you, Mayor.

1933
02:46:52,400 --> 02:46:55,680
Thank you for the exhibit last.

1934
02:46:57,320 --> 02:47:06,920
On item C and D, for C, I'm going to staff projects to start passing along fees in

1935
02:47:06,920 --> 02:47:09,040
fiscal year 28 or 29,

1936
02:47:11,720 --> 02:47:15,840
is there a reason for the delay or to me that seems just like far away?

1937
02:47:16,720 --> 02:47:21,780
Yeah, we probably do it in 28, we would, we would, we would, we're thinking we do the golf course

1938
02:47:21,780 --> 02:47:26,100
First, assuming we get a commission direction in the CD and we want to take our time

1939
02:47:26,100 --> 02:47:32,380
do that right and also sort of look at what patterns may change with people paying

1940
02:47:32,380 --> 02:47:36,920
whether or not there's a big change from paying with cash, paying with different types

1941
02:47:36,920 --> 02:47:39,460
of cash or check manual checks.

1942
02:47:40,200 --> 02:47:46,120
We'd like to do one or two a year, so the thought was we'd do golf course in 27, then probably

1943
02:47:46,700 --> 02:47:50,500
do Parks and Rec in 28 more than likely, I think we could get that done in 28.

1944
02:47:51,000 --> 02:47:53,560
And utility building would be last for sure.

1945
02:47:54,600 --> 02:47:57,760
We would not want to utility building until it's fully implemented on

1946
02:47:57,760 --> 02:48:02,780
type of units, which is not now, they're just kind of beginning that process again.

1947
02:48:03,480 --> 02:48:07,560
So we'd want that rolled out all the kings out of that and they'll be moving to

1948
02:48:07,560 --> 02:48:09,560
Tyler Payments when they do that.

1949
02:48:10,500 --> 02:48:14,560
And then once that's fully moved over, we would look at with permission

1950
02:48:14,560 --> 02:48:19,000
direction to approval, moving to utility building be passed on to.

1951
02:48:19,000 --> 02:48:25,160
Yeah, because speaking of utility building, the verb engine here does say staff will consider

1952
02:48:25,160 --> 02:48:30,780
possibly passing on credit, so that leaves some ambiguity there.

1953
02:48:31,400 --> 02:48:33,880
Is that been decided, not decided, we don't know.

1954
02:48:34,480 --> 02:48:45,360
Well, I think we'd like to do the golf course and the Parks and Rec get those taken care of.

1955
02:48:45,360 --> 02:48:51,160
And then when we address our next rate study for the water surrefund and some of these funds,

1956
02:48:51,500 --> 02:48:54,960
I think that's the time to address that because we have the rate study at the rate

1957
02:48:54,960 --> 02:48:55,080
rate.

1958
02:48:55,280 --> 02:48:57,720
We have the credit card fees baked in the rates right now.

1959
02:48:58,120 --> 02:49:02,100
So I think we want to, at that point, really talk to the, especially for the water surrefund,

1960
02:49:02,340 --> 02:49:03,920
which is by far the largest fund.

1961
02:49:04,200 --> 02:49:09,000
We want to talk to the commission, as we're doing that study and say, how do we want

1962
02:49:09,000 --> 02:49:09,780
to have that moving forward?

1963
02:49:10,060 --> 02:49:14,600
And then if we are going to move forward, passing it on, we would make that adjustment

1964
02:49:14,600 --> 02:49:16,140
in that next rate analysis.

1965
02:49:17,140 --> 02:49:17,740
All right.

1966
02:49:18,140 --> 02:49:19,380
And then, I don't know, this is from me,

1967
02:49:19,500 --> 02:49:20,800
it's in the question, but more about comment.

1968
02:49:21,560 --> 02:49:24,340
But is this right that people be paid by check

1969
02:49:24,340 --> 02:49:28,620
at the golf course, 6.8 percent?

1970
02:49:29,060 --> 02:49:31,980
Yeah, yeah, over a, about a 10 month period,

1971
02:49:32,700 --> 02:49:36,020
we looked at the volume and it was about about 3% cash,

1972
02:49:36,220 --> 02:49:38,460
6.8 check and then the rest was different types

1973
02:49:38,460 --> 02:49:39,600
of credit cards.

1974
02:49:39,680 --> 02:49:42,420
So that's 6.8 is most likely the members, obviously.

1975
02:49:42,980 --> 02:49:43,600
Yeah, true.

1976
02:49:43,600 --> 02:49:45,220
20, 20, sex.

1977
02:49:46,040 --> 02:49:46,100
Okay.

1978
02:49:47,000 --> 02:49:48,900
I'll do it.

1979
02:49:48,900 --> 02:49:50,200
I'll put my checkbook away.

1980
02:49:50,920 --> 02:49:52,260
And I just jump on here.

1981
02:49:52,280 --> 02:49:55,240
Probably wait until it's your turn before they get their wallet.

1982
02:49:55,400 --> 02:49:56,520
They checkbook out.

1983
02:49:56,700 --> 02:49:58,400
And then they hold up the line.

1984
02:49:58,920 --> 02:49:59,500
I'm sorry.

1985
02:50:04,220 --> 02:50:14,000
I just wanted to jump on. So, because I had the same question, it just seemed, it's, it may be I'm just missing something, but it's, it's

1986
02:50:14,000 --> 02:50:22,920
twenty twenty six, and we're talking about twenty twenty nine for you, Bill, and that's three years from now. It seems like a pretty simple principle, the most

1987
02:50:22,920 --> 02:50:29,800
businesses are charging credit card fees and we're not and I just I'm not sure

1988
02:50:29,800 --> 02:50:35,400
I understand why this is so difficult and why we want to drag it out versus

1989
02:50:35,400 --> 02:50:43,780
do it so we wanted to consider the impact on the users in terms of passing

1990
02:50:43,780 --> 02:50:47,860
on the credit card fee because like when I go to the restaurants now and I

1991
02:50:47,860 --> 02:50:51,460
thought the dry cleaner and they tell me they just tell me and I say oh okay I

1992
02:50:51,460 --> 02:50:53,400
I've got to do it, I don't know, I've got choice for it.

1993
02:50:53,780 --> 02:50:59,980
Right, I just, it seems like basically practice, and that's what the finest board was trying to tell us, like it's kind of standard practice.

1994
02:51:00,080 --> 02:51:05,500
It is, but for water waste water, we just increased the fees, right?

1995
02:51:05,800 --> 02:51:11,460
And we did not, we did not roll that into that increase in fees for them.

1996
02:51:12,480 --> 02:51:20,320
Obviously, or convey that to them in that manner, and so what we'd like to do is do these other ones first.

1997
02:51:20,320 --> 02:51:23,780
Because as less said, you know, it's difficult to roll these out.

1998
02:51:24,200 --> 02:51:27,560
You know, there's a notification, I'll let type of thing, and then when we're doing the

1999
02:51:27,560 --> 02:51:33,740
rates that we want to consider passing it on, let the end user know exactly what the

2000
02:51:33,740 --> 02:51:38,340
impact of that is, what the impact is on the rates that they pay, and so on.

2001
02:51:38,400 --> 02:51:42,420
So if we're just consider it more comprehensively than in a vacuum like we can with the golf

2002
02:51:42,420 --> 02:51:46,800
club, because the golf club, you know, they're a captured audience, they're going to come

2003
02:51:46,800 --> 02:51:51,440
they're going to pay their greens fees, and they're going to go out. They're not going to

2004
02:51:51,440 --> 02:51:56,940
stop and say, oh, no, I'm not going to play. So it's a little bit easier and we felt a

2005
02:51:56,940 --> 02:51:58,740
little bit different than the utility.

2006
02:52:01,990 --> 02:52:06,910
I'm not sure I agree, but I guess we'll talk further about it. But I get it. But I do understand

2007
02:52:06,910 --> 02:52:11,150
we just get it when some increases. And this is included. And so it's kind of like seriously now

2008
02:52:11,150 --> 02:52:14,350
you're going to charge me for credit. I kind of get that. That's really what we're worried about.

2009
02:52:14,530 --> 02:52:18,190
But I'm not sure that passed for record parks because it seems like we could do that.

2010
02:52:20,330 --> 02:52:25,210
And also I just want to mention, you know, we wanted to be transparent and just with the golf course and

2011
02:52:25,210 --> 02:52:28,310
wanted to, you know, get consensus direction and move forward with the golf course.

2012
02:52:28,890 --> 02:52:32,390
You know, we did this survey and the survey is interesting because the survey,

2013
02:52:33,230 --> 02:52:38,110
we surveyed 14 golf courses and, you know, really only one of them is passing on the fee right now.

2014
02:52:38,370 --> 02:52:42,010
I mean, all the rest of these are doing what we're doing now and absorbing the fee.

2015
02:52:43,290 --> 02:52:46,750
So, you know, so we did talk to Largo.

2016
02:52:47,230 --> 02:52:53,710
And we talked to Largo, and we talked to St. Pete, and they are discussing right now passing on the fee.

2017
02:52:54,450 --> 02:52:58,870
They're having discussions like we are right now, but we did want to point that out.

2018
02:53:00,010 --> 02:53:01,250
We think it's...

2019
02:53:01,250 --> 02:53:04,610
We don't say I didn't impact in play, but we did want to point that out.

2020
02:53:05,310 --> 02:53:06,570
I was surprised by that.

2021
02:53:06,570 --> 02:53:07,670
I was surprised by that.

2022
02:53:07,770 --> 02:53:08,030
I agree.

2023
02:53:08,310 --> 02:53:09,150
That doesn't get me wrong.

2024
02:53:09,150 --> 02:53:10,850
I think it's a right thing for us to do.

2025
02:53:11,450 --> 02:53:19,490
But, and I guess, just when you're considering utility billing, also understand the positive

2026
02:53:19,490 --> 02:53:26,790
spin that can be done by figuring it all out, and then either give them a rate reduction

2027
02:53:26,790 --> 02:53:34,050
when it's not scheduled to show, it's just acknowledging to the residents, hey, because

2028
02:53:34,050 --> 02:53:38,390
it changed our format and we've reduced our instead of the constant increase, it's okay, we

2029
02:53:38,390 --> 02:53:42,590
back to down, and you're not waiting for a right study, you're not waiting for something.

2030
02:53:43,250 --> 02:53:49,350
And if Collar can handle it, and I assume Collar can, they're big enough, their system,

2031
02:53:50,270 --> 02:53:58,330
ERP is good enough, but anyway, maybe for a further day, but I at least wanted stronger language

2032
02:53:58,330 --> 02:53:58,730
there.

2033
02:53:59,370 --> 02:54:00,210
Would you have a question?

2034
02:54:00,670 --> 02:54:04,170
Okay, we got a question over here by Smear, and then I don't think I got the Commissioner

2035
02:54:04,170 --> 02:54:06,390
I'd like to thank Mr. Sam Bergignette, though.

2036
02:54:06,470 --> 02:54:09,230
So what do we do, do we have a question?

2037
02:54:10,250 --> 02:54:12,310
No, Mr. Sam Bergignette, do you?

2038
02:54:12,590 --> 02:54:13,370
No, I'm good.

2039
02:54:14,810 --> 02:54:21,890
Yeah, I just, I'm kind of lost the bubble on this.

2040
02:54:22,330 --> 02:54:25,290
Is part of the tentative approval tonight,

2041
02:54:25,290 --> 02:54:28,030
including agreeing to this memo?

2042
02:54:29,930 --> 02:54:33,130
I think my thought is mainly tonight,

2043
02:54:33,130 --> 02:54:36,110
is to show you are a plan and we can move this plan around.

2044
02:54:36,210 --> 02:54:40,410
We can definitely move this at a quicker pace if the commission wants us to.

2045
02:54:40,510 --> 02:54:45,110
But we wanted to find out if get consensus direction, if you wanted to move forward

2046
02:54:45,110 --> 02:54:48,630
with the golf course, which would be our first one and we would begin that process

2047
02:54:49,010 --> 02:54:52,510
and take a few months to work through it but focus on that one first.

2048
02:54:53,870 --> 02:54:59,250
Because it drives me crazy that the businesses more and more are passing on the fee.

2049
02:55:00,340 --> 02:55:09,420
I would just, I would really want to see a little bit more of an accounting that what's the difference. What is it, what's the impact, but you know.

2050
02:55:10,020 --> 02:55:16,100
So if we will, it seems to me like there needs to be more research on our follow-up letter here.

2051
02:55:17,040 --> 02:55:20,320
So the contested direction and move forward with a golf club, right?

2052
02:55:20,500 --> 02:55:27,700
And then we can, we can follow up with a memo on these, answering these questions as far as what the impact would be and so on and so forth.

2053
02:55:27,700 --> 02:55:29,100
So, and discuss it further.

2054
02:55:29,480 --> 02:55:31,460
Okay, and I think Commissioner Samberon did have something now.

2055
02:55:31,460 --> 02:55:34,160
You know, it came up during one of the budget meetings.

2056
02:55:34,740 --> 02:55:38,200
Why don't we go to our bank that we use every day?

2057
02:55:38,700 --> 02:55:40,620
Why do we have to go to these other vendors?

2058
02:55:42,100 --> 02:55:47,680
You know, every ERP system, Tyler Minus, for example,

2059
02:55:48,520 --> 02:55:51,340
they've got two platforms you can use to process credit cards.

2060
02:55:51,440 --> 02:55:55,080
They're own, which is called Nick, Tyler Payments, they call it now,

2061
02:55:55,340 --> 02:55:56,620
and there's one of them when you can use.

2062
02:55:56,620 --> 02:56:06,320
But it's not a great option, so, you know, they really, they really drive what your options are as far as what

2063
02:56:06,320 --> 02:56:09,800
what who your processor is and who your transactions are.

2064
02:56:10,380 --> 02:56:15,740
For instance, the golf course has, the ERP systems for up is a name of the software, but they have another

2065
02:56:15,740 --> 02:56:18,220
processor that they're attached to their name, Phoenix.

2066
02:56:19,020 --> 02:56:25,420
Most of them have two different ones you work with, but they're all different, and they don't do business with everybody.

2067
02:56:25,420 --> 02:56:28,720
in other words, it's only using one or two options.

2068
02:56:29,460 --> 02:56:32,700
So if I walk into play golf and I hand my American Express,

2069
02:56:33,320 --> 02:56:36,160
it's just not that simple American Express

2070
02:56:36,160 --> 02:56:39,460
deposit set amount of money into Wells Fargo

2071
02:56:39,460 --> 02:56:40,420
for the city of Dunedin.

2072
02:56:40,600 --> 02:56:46,220
I guess I don't understand the process of how that money moves around.

2073
02:56:46,460 --> 02:56:48,520
Yeah, it's a big central clearing house,

2074
02:56:48,680 --> 02:56:50,240
through all these different credit card companies,

2075
02:56:50,940 --> 02:56:53,060
how it gets a performant place to the other.

2076
02:56:53,680 --> 02:56:58,940
But really, we've got to tell you who your processor is, our processors are these different

2077
02:56:58,940 --> 02:56:59,160
ones.

2078
02:56:59,320 --> 02:57:00,700
We have four for the golf course.

2079
02:57:01,240 --> 02:57:04,100
Right now we've got to set up the work absorbing the fee.

2080
02:57:04,200 --> 02:57:07,700
We can change it to pass that on and there's some things we have to go through.

2081
02:57:08,200 --> 02:57:11,740
We have to make sure we follow some legal requirements and some public outreach as well.

2082
02:57:11,940 --> 02:57:15,540
We'll work with our legal counsel on that to make sure we do that right.

2083
02:57:16,180 --> 02:57:19,820
And you can't charge the search charge on the debit card, you've got to be careful about.

2084
02:57:19,820 --> 02:57:28,400
You've got to make sure you set it properly and most are set up to do that, but it's just making sure you get it set up right and roll it out properly.

2085
02:57:29,140 --> 02:57:29,340
All right.

2086
02:57:29,840 --> 02:57:30,200
Thanks.

2087
02:57:30,720 --> 02:57:32,180
So just to, sorry.

2088
02:57:32,540 --> 02:57:32,600
Okay.

2089
02:57:35,680 --> 02:57:43,040
You're looking for consensus direction for the staff to do more research and move towards-

2090
02:57:43,040 --> 02:57:45,820
So we're looking consensus direction to move forward on the golf course.

2091
02:57:46,500 --> 02:57:48,880
We're recommending that we move forward on the golf course.

2092
02:57:48,880 --> 02:57:54,760
in order to get that piece out of the way if you will so that we can concentrate on the others.

2093
02:57:55,000 --> 02:57:58,840
We're also concerned because there is actually tremendous amount of staff time involved in this.

2094
02:58:00,140 --> 02:58:07,260
So we've broken it out of component pieces that I think are manageable workload, especially given, you know, a amendment 3.

2095
02:58:08,000 --> 02:58:11,120
And what we may be facing as far as reductions in staff.

2096
02:58:12,440 --> 02:58:16,600
And so it appears that there's additional research, additional questions.

2097
02:58:16,600 --> 02:58:19,480
And so we'd like to move forward with the golf course, and then maybe the other three back

2098
02:58:19,480 --> 02:58:21,620
and talk a little bit more about that and answer your questions.

2099
02:58:22,620 --> 02:58:28,520
Well, I would just say to you that the memo itself talks about staff or work with software

2100
02:58:28,520 --> 02:58:33,460
coming about, to start the process and see what steps need to be taken to pass on the charges.

2101
02:58:34,100 --> 02:58:38,420
So it seemed like there's a logical step, maybe you can pull any triggers.

2102
02:58:38,600 --> 02:58:40,280
Yeah, we'd like to take that step as what I'm saying.

2103
02:58:40,760 --> 02:58:42,840
Yeah, I'm not really to pull the trigger on the ball.

2104
02:58:42,900 --> 02:58:45,100
So basically they're just doing the research.

2105
02:58:45,100 --> 02:58:46,900
And then I'll just do it in a reasonable way.

2106
02:58:47,040 --> 02:58:47,940
That's what I meant for you.

2107
02:58:48,100 --> 02:58:48,820
Okay, all right.

2108
02:58:49,180 --> 02:58:50,660
Okay, then I'll do it.

2109
02:58:51,380 --> 02:58:55,000
And then you'll look at the rest of these and see, you know,

2110
02:58:55,000 --> 02:58:55,960
at the same time.

2111
02:58:56,120 --> 02:59:00,260
Because again, I don't want to necessarily put off what seems like

2112
02:59:00,260 --> 02:59:01,880
what most businesses would do.

2113
02:59:02,100 --> 02:59:04,020
Ultimately, that decision will still be yours, obviously.

2114
02:59:04,240 --> 02:59:04,440
We're not.

2115
02:59:04,660 --> 02:59:05,520
We're just wanting to do the research.

2116
02:59:06,940 --> 02:59:07,020
Okay.

2117
02:59:07,620 --> 02:59:09,220
Very good of that.

2118
02:59:10,360 --> 02:59:10,560
Okay.

2119
02:59:11,080 --> 02:59:12,580
So we'll move on.

2120
02:59:18,420 --> 02:59:18,660
Okay.

2121
02:59:18,660 --> 02:59:29,080
The next is our general fund update, and we've had some changes since the August 4th budget

2122
02:59:29,080 --> 02:59:33,100
workshop number two, and we're looking at the revenues first.

2123
02:59:33,840 --> 02:59:38,020
We had adjustments to insurance proceeds in fiscal year 26, and estimated debt proceeds

2124
02:59:38,020 --> 02:59:39,740
for the line of credit in 2026.

2125
02:59:40,560 --> 02:59:47,460
We also had an increase in 2026 for the intergovernmental revenue of 221,000 for FEMA and state

2126
02:59:47,460 --> 02:59:52,660
Florida storm reimbursements. We added the state appropriation for the fire department's

2127
02:59:52,660 --> 02:59:59,960
ship ATV vehicle of 200,000 and we had a decrease in fiscal year 27 estimated FEMA reimbursement.

2128
03:00:00,180 --> 03:00:05,960
And a decrease that's to make the line of credit amount needed in 2027 as well. For the expense side,

2129
03:00:08,650 --> 03:00:14,270
we had an increase in 2027, for the purchase of the Sherp ATVIC, we've mentioned before for $225,000.

2130
03:00:15,290 --> 03:00:20,870
We had a net decrease for position re-classes and re-allocation of certain positions to other funds.

2131
03:00:21,530 --> 03:00:39,790
For example, CRA staff for a few staff had higher percentages allocated to the CRA front fund and less in the general fund and the grant specialist position we transferred the percentage from the general fund to some of that to the strong water fund.

2132
03:00:40,030 --> 03:00:46,150
We had decrease in the budget for the bridge inspection by $30,000 cost removed to a future year.

2133
03:00:46,750 --> 03:00:56,210
Decreased Parks and Recreation Rint for the orthoist maintenance ER to mention that for $38,000 that is no longer in place at least

2134
03:00:56,210 --> 03:01:06,010
We had a decrease in a line of credit principle payment of 53,000 for storm line of credit due to final review of storm activity and anticipated theme reimbursement and

2135
03:01:06,010 --> 03:01:07,510
Our general fund reserve

2136
03:01:08,070 --> 03:01:17,180
In our tentative budget of 18.6% above our target of 15% and moving to our long range plan as mentioned

2137
03:01:17,720 --> 03:01:24,700
Our reserve in 2027 is currently at 18.6% in the 27 column.

2138
03:01:25,360 --> 03:01:33,120
In the fiscal year 28 year, the reserve is at 8.7% and under the 15% goal.

2139
03:01:34,060 --> 03:01:38,020
And we have two high-lighted yellow rows there.

2140
03:01:38,040 --> 03:01:44,980
And the bottom row is addressing the shortfall and the top row is not, but the shortfall

2141
03:01:44,980 --> 03:01:48,380
out that we do, that we do address has been reduced.

2142
03:01:48,660 --> 03:01:55,660
It's now $5,000,000,000 a year in the bottom of the bottom there and it was $5.3.

2143
03:01:55,820 --> 03:01:57,980
So it reduced by 300,000 a year.

2144
03:01:58,820 --> 03:02:03,460
The shortfall reduced mainly due to we had received the grant funding we mentioned for

2145
03:02:03,460 --> 03:02:04,300
the rescue vehicle.

2146
03:02:04,500 --> 03:02:09,180
We also have reductions in the prison inspections that I mentioned at Orphi of Orphiose

2147
03:02:09,180 --> 03:02:14,340
Lease that was taken out and also some personal reductions for salary relocations

2148
03:02:14,340 --> 03:02:17,400
that I mentioned that kind of contributed to that reduction.

2149
03:02:19,240 --> 03:02:24,080
I want to mention that during the development process, we have these shortfalls that we

2150
03:02:24,080 --> 03:02:29,280
look at and each year the city manager works with the finance team and all the departments

2151
03:02:29,280 --> 03:02:32,800
of the city to bring a balance budget to your commission making sure we have a minimum

2152
03:02:32,800 --> 03:02:35,540
reserve of 15% or more in the general fund.

2153
03:02:36,200 --> 03:02:40,600
As discussed during both budget workshops staff with the direction of the city manager we

2154
03:02:40,600 --> 03:02:45,960
They're working on the contingency plan, the 2027 contingency plan, and our goal and plan is to

2155
03:02:45,960 --> 03:02:52,300
generate $3 million in annual savings, beginning on January 1, 2027 in that plan, and

2156
03:02:52,300 --> 03:02:58,220
the proposed data that meeting to present the draft to the Commission is September 17th at 1230

2157
03:02:58,220 --> 03:02:58,700
PM.

2158
03:03:00,700 --> 03:03:06,020
The plan will be to take information and input from the Commission at that September 17th meeting

2159
03:03:06,020 --> 03:03:09,800
And then bring back to the commission, the revised

2160
03:03:09,800 --> 03:03:12,220
contingency plan based on those comments in October

2161
03:03:12,220 --> 03:03:15,740
for your review and hopefully approval before the vote

2162
03:03:15,740 --> 03:03:16,560
in November.

2163
03:03:18,950 --> 03:03:20,630
Are there any questions at all in the general fund?

2164
03:03:21,750 --> 03:03:24,170
I'm sorry, when did you say we're going to see the contingency plan?

2165
03:03:24,710 --> 03:03:27,310
We're going to present the draft on September 17th.

2166
03:03:27,310 --> 03:03:29,030
OK, the draft.

2167
03:03:29,670 --> 03:03:30,150
1230.

2168
03:03:30,450 --> 03:03:32,010
OK, so I'll make sure.

2169
03:03:33,510 --> 03:03:35,850
So that concludes our general comments on the general fund

2170
03:03:35,850 --> 03:03:37,570
and we have to answer any questions.

2171
03:03:38,650 --> 03:03:42,330
Okay, questions starting with,

2172
03:03:42,330 --> 03:03:43,930
I've told you last track of where I'm starting,

2173
03:03:44,530 --> 03:03:45,330
so, a nice bear.

2174
03:03:46,670 --> 03:03:48,250
You know, I don't have any questions.

2175
03:03:48,490 --> 03:03:49,150
Richard Sandberg.

2176
03:03:50,230 --> 03:03:54,390
Just looking at the top line of the revenue's property taxes.

2177
03:03:56,290 --> 03:03:58,970
26, 27 at one up, 28.

2178
03:03:59,770 --> 03:04:05,110
Is that taken into consideration amendment three failing

2179
03:04:05,110 --> 03:04:15,930
But our assumptions in our current budget are is do not assume that amendment 3 fails correct. Yeah, we're not we're not projecting right now

2180
03:04:15,930 --> 03:04:21,830
Those those losses. Okay. Yes, thank you. That's all. I had a question. Yeah, but that's what the contingency plan will tell us. That's right

2181
03:04:22,110 --> 03:04:27,670
Correct, it does pass this is what we're gonna do right. So so what we'll do just to be really clear

2182
03:04:27,670 --> 03:04:33,710
As long as we're on the subject is and we've consulted with the city attorney is that if amendment 3 passes

2183
03:04:33,710 --> 03:04:36,470
because we will amend this budget, right?

2184
03:04:36,710 --> 03:04:39,770
According to the contingency plan, we'll bring it back to you and amend this budget.

2185
03:04:39,830 --> 03:04:40,530
You can do that.

2186
03:04:40,950 --> 03:04:40,970
Yes.

2187
03:04:41,030 --> 03:04:41,950
All right, thank you very much.

2188
03:04:42,710 --> 03:04:43,350
All right, thank you.

2189
03:04:43,350 --> 03:04:43,710
Thank you.

2190
03:04:44,390 --> 03:04:44,550
Sure?

2191
03:04:44,830 --> 03:04:45,190
Go.

2192
03:04:45,590 --> 03:04:45,850
Yes.

2193
03:04:46,670 --> 03:04:51,270
On the reconciliation of changes to the fund, balance that age.

2194
03:04:52,630 --> 03:04:55,870
And you might have mentioned it's why I apologize if I'm asking you to repeat yourself.

2195
03:04:56,570 --> 03:04:59,910
But under the revenues, we have a decrease in the FEMA and anticipated me.

2196
03:05:01,660 --> 03:05:09,740
What, why are we anticipating a reduction in FEMA reimbursement?

2197
03:05:10,900 --> 03:05:16,140
It was just due to reconciliation of items we received already in fiscal year 26.

2198
03:05:17,160 --> 03:05:29,180
So we were increasing in the estimate in 26, decreasing what were estimated in 27 or even in future years.

2199
03:05:29,180 --> 03:05:35,820
So we're just trying to keep the estimate realistic based on what we've already received, so there were some year-end adjustments.

2200
03:05:36,560 --> 03:05:40,840
Okay, so we haven't heard anything for FEMA as far as you're not going to get this.

2201
03:05:41,140 --> 03:05:45,520
So we're still not anticipating getting everything, but never know.

2202
03:05:45,660 --> 03:05:48,120
At this point, at this point we were so hopeful, yeah, that's right.

2203
03:05:48,200 --> 03:05:49,780
There was not to believe that, yeah.

2204
03:05:51,340 --> 03:05:57,380
And a decrease in the budget for a bridge inspection, which bridges that?

2205
03:05:57,380 --> 03:06:06,120
The general bridge inspections for the city, we had had it budgeted for 26, and we thought

2206
03:06:06,120 --> 03:06:12,240
we might still need some budget in 27, and Clay can correct me, but I think the thought

2207
03:06:12,240 --> 03:06:18,200
was we might have to go back and do some other work, and it was not needed.

2208
03:06:19,240 --> 03:06:24,840
Yeah, for some clarification, it is bridge inspections, however, it's mostly culverts pipes,

2209
03:06:24,840 --> 03:06:30,760
And when we did inspection in 24, so we put it on a five year, we weren't doing it

2210
03:06:30,760 --> 03:06:31,540
on a five year plan.

2211
03:06:31,660 --> 03:06:33,840
So that way we can just shuffle that money over.

2212
03:06:34,500 --> 03:06:38,020
I think there was some money previously, so we're just sitting in for the one pedestrian

2213
03:06:38,740 --> 03:06:42,420
bridge, the way bridge, but we've moved that to.

2214
03:06:43,000 --> 03:06:46,660
Okay, so this won't impact the safety of any of our bridges.

2215
03:06:47,200 --> 03:06:47,440
No.

2216
03:06:47,440 --> 03:06:50,920
So I think you here is our infrastructure's come running a little bit of the country.

2217
03:06:50,920 --> 03:06:56,700
And also for, and also a little bit of definition, DOT does inspections on anything that has a

2218
03:06:56,700 --> 03:07:01,320
span larger than 19 feet, even if it's a city street, they're response for all birds and

2219
03:07:01,320 --> 03:07:05,060
inspections for roadways with a span larger than 20 feet.

2220
03:07:05,080 --> 03:07:06,140
That 20 feet are larger.

2221
03:07:08,860 --> 03:07:09,620
Thank you.

2222
03:07:10,500 --> 03:07:10,500
And

2223
03:07:15,720 --> 03:07:20,660
what is the parks rent for the Orthios maintenance?

2224
03:07:21,260 --> 03:07:22,100
I'm embarrassed.

2225
03:07:22,220 --> 03:07:24,720
I'm asking this question, but where is the Orthios?

2226
03:07:24,720 --> 03:07:31,180
It was the, um, there was a maintenance yard behind where we had the art incubator, and that

2227
03:07:31,180 --> 03:07:34,800
least terminated because now there is a parking garage being built there.

2228
03:07:35,360 --> 03:07:37,500
I get pictures on that every day.

2229
03:07:38,440 --> 03:07:38,700
All right.

2230
03:07:40,440 --> 03:07:41,120
Thank you.

2231
03:07:41,280 --> 03:07:41,880
Those are all my questions.

2232
03:07:42,340 --> 03:07:42,560
Thank you.

2233
03:07:42,560 --> 03:07:42,800
Okay.

2234
03:07:42,900 --> 03:07:44,020
Commissioner to guard questions.

2235
03:07:45,740 --> 03:07:47,080
My colleague did all mine.

2236
03:07:47,240 --> 03:07:47,880
Thank you.

2237
03:07:47,920 --> 03:07:48,080
Jeff.

2238
03:07:48,680 --> 03:07:49,000
Okay.

2239
03:07:50,080 --> 03:07:50,420
Okay.

2240
03:07:50,420 --> 03:07:54,540
So I am going to open this up to public input.

2241
03:07:55,080 --> 03:07:58,940
Is anyone in the audience wish to come forward and speak on the budget?

2242
03:08:01,520 --> 03:08:04,160
Okay, seeing no one, I will close public input.

2243
03:08:04,780 --> 03:08:06,520
And I will go to commission comments.

2244
03:08:07,220 --> 03:08:09,200
Start with the maker of the motion, which was vice mayor.

2245
03:08:11,690 --> 03:08:12,230
Thank you, Mayor.

2246
03:08:14,540 --> 03:08:18,380
Just so I'm clear, and I'm sorry that I'm lagging behind the power curve here,

2247
03:08:19,080 --> 03:08:23,160
but are we talking about the millage or the budget right now?

2248
03:08:24,500 --> 03:08:29,040
The first one, 20 dash, 12 is the representative military for this year, 20 twice.

2249
03:08:29,140 --> 03:08:31,160
Okay, all right, thank you.

2250
03:08:32,420 --> 03:08:37,480
Yeah, so I'm in favor of the maintaining the military.

2251
03:08:38,380 --> 03:08:48,660
I think it's really important to point out that we have managed to maintain the military at its current level since 2016.

2252
03:08:48,660 --> 03:08:55,940
And that is not a lot of communities and municipalities can say that.

2253
03:08:56,420 --> 03:09:07,710
And I will also say that there in light of Ben-Meth-3, and everything coming down the pike, it would be absolutely irresponsible to roll the knowledge back.

2254
03:09:09,150 --> 03:09:18,210
Fiscally, you're responsible, not to suggest that we will, but I'm just saying that I am in favor of maintaining the military.

2255
03:09:20,170 --> 03:09:22,130
Okay, second year of the motion is Commissioner Sandberg.

2256
03:09:23,050 --> 03:09:23,570
No, I agree.

2257
03:09:23,810 --> 03:09:28,370
I'm in favor of it, and certainly appreciate all the hard work and I'll ask that you put into it.

2258
03:09:29,490 --> 03:09:29,970
Really?

2259
03:09:30,110 --> 03:09:33,830
He's handed to us delivered and can't say enough good about that.

2260
03:09:34,450 --> 03:09:35,770
Thank you.

2261
03:09:35,770 --> 03:09:38,710
Okay, Commissioner Gown, bottle comments?

2262
03:09:40,090 --> 03:09:41,850
Yeah, this is a causing me heartburn, heartburn.

2263
03:09:43,770 --> 03:09:48,750
Some of the challenge I have is that residents are really hurting.

2264
03:09:49,610 --> 03:09:54,750
I think the city, regardless of what you hear on social media, is really doing a great job

2265
03:09:54,750 --> 03:09:59,150
and it's a great testament to the fact that we have an increase in mental traits since 2016.

2266
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:09,580
I think we do a good job on managing our budget, but residents are getting beat up from everywhere. And

2267
03:10:09,580 --> 03:10:16,900
nobody wants to give them any health at all. And this is just me personally and I'm

2268
03:10:16,900 --> 03:10:24,200
greatly infected by property insurance, my health insurance, my car insurance. And they're

2269
03:10:24,200 --> 03:10:31,160
relief from anybody about anything. We've seen what's happened to rents. And so at some point,

2270
03:10:33,510 --> 03:10:39,990
as a society as a community, we, somebody's got to give. And then, and I know a rollback

2271
03:10:39,990 --> 03:10:45,590
wouldn't be the end all be all the last time we really had a strong discussion on rollbacks.

2272
03:10:46,110 --> 03:10:51,350
It was going to be, I can't remember less, was it $40 per resident, what they didn't actually

2273
03:10:51,350 --> 03:10:57,350
getting back. I know that's a drop in the bucket and I know a lot of breath and it's

2274
03:10:57,350 --> 03:11:02,130
meant I really understand the property tax structure that when they write their taxes for

2275
03:11:03,390 --> 03:11:08,290
property taxes, not all that money is going to done it. So, and they go away in a minute,

2276
03:11:08,590 --> 03:11:13,770
I'm going to get $40 back, well that's of your done-in portion, so I get all that, so

2277
03:11:13,770 --> 03:11:19,450
we need to do a lot more education. But I just, not only personally, but for the rest of the

2278
03:11:19,450 --> 03:11:30,950
really really want to see some some relief. So if we're going to go ahead and do this, we've

2279
03:11:30,950 --> 03:11:36,230
really got a scream and holler at Tallahassee about what we're going to do about all these

2280
03:11:36,230 --> 03:11:41,090
other things that are out of everybody's control. You have a mortgage, you have to have

2281
03:11:41,710 --> 03:11:46,630
mortgage insurance, you have a car, you have to have car, so these are things that you have

2282
03:11:46,630 --> 03:11:54,610
have, and the homeowner, the car owner, has no leverage at all. Whatever the rate's going

2283
03:11:54,610 --> 03:11:59,850
to be, I've got to write that check or use my car depending on who's paying the fee.

2284
03:12:01,690 --> 03:12:08,350
And so I am in favor of this, but it's not without discussion, because I don't know what's

2285
03:12:08,350 --> 03:12:13,450
going to happen to us as a society, and I can go on and on about private taxes, but I can't

2286
03:12:13,450 --> 03:12:14,790
than sitting up here,

2287
03:12:17,390 --> 03:12:21,470
but I just, I feel for everybody right now, and so I'm proud that we're

2288
03:12:21,470 --> 03:12:26,830
not increasing, but it would have been nice to give a tip of the hat to the residents

2289
03:12:26,830 --> 03:12:33,290
to go, because you're $40. So are we bothered you? But me personally, what I end up paying

2290
03:12:33,290 --> 03:12:41,110
to the city of Dunnean is $1,000 a year from my big tax, that's what Dunnean gets, and I think

2291
03:12:41,110 --> 03:12:47,850
that's an investment. I get to live in Dunning for $1,000 a year and get the green space

2292
03:12:47,850 --> 03:12:53,270
that I have, get access to the water like I do community centers. There's so much. And so

2293
03:12:53,910 --> 03:13:01,660
I'm willingly struck that check for $1,000, but it would be nice if it were $960, you know.

2294
03:13:02,770 --> 03:13:09,590
But anyway, I am in favor of the message, but I just, I had to say something. So thank you.

2295
03:13:09,590 --> 03:13:10,770
Thank you.

2296
03:13:10,870 --> 03:13:11,270
I appreciate it.

2297
03:13:14,640 --> 03:13:16,880
First comment, excellent process.

2298
03:13:19,740 --> 03:13:21,280
We got this dig deep.

2299
03:13:22,940 --> 03:13:23,600
I learned a lot.

2300
03:13:24,220 --> 03:13:26,360
I don't know my colleagues, but I learned a lot.

2301
03:13:27,200 --> 03:13:30,360
I have shared my concerns regarding this budget.

2302
03:13:30,960 --> 03:13:33,460
Only in as much as we are finding ourselves

2303
03:13:33,460 --> 03:13:36,280
an exactly the position my colleague talked about,

2304
03:13:36,440 --> 03:13:39,140
which is in the healthcare expense costs.

2305
03:13:39,760 --> 03:13:45,340
They are going up, they are taking away our wage increases to our employers.

2306
03:13:46,160 --> 03:13:48,480
And that's just the bottom line there.

2307
03:13:49,580 --> 03:13:52,240
I don't know what to do about it.

2308
03:13:52,940 --> 03:13:57,080
I'm famous for asking other people what they were going to do about it inside that meeting,

2309
03:13:57,320 --> 03:13:58,380
as a matter of fact.

2310
03:14:01,140 --> 03:14:04,520
So I'm pleased with what we have with conditions, I guess.

2311
03:14:05,040 --> 03:14:06,580
And it's conditions we don't control.

2312
03:14:07,300 --> 03:14:08,960
So I will vote for this.

2313
03:14:11,770 --> 03:14:11,910
Yeah.

2314
03:14:12,030 --> 03:14:14,150
I'm in favor of the budget as well.

2315
03:14:14,430 --> 03:14:15,810
I want to thank staff.

2316
03:14:15,930 --> 03:14:19,330
I know that our department had, et cetera,

2317
03:14:19,510 --> 03:14:24,070
did a lot of work on cutting things out of the budget before we

2318
03:14:24,070 --> 03:14:26,070
we have been saw it, which is, you know,

2319
03:14:27,270 --> 03:14:29,430
I've lived through a lot of commissions, as you guys know,

2320
03:14:30,650 --> 03:14:31,630
and on the staff side.

2321
03:14:32,510 --> 03:14:36,090
And, you know, it's always better if staff is proactive.

2322
03:14:36,090 --> 03:14:42,170
and we don't have to be out here, you know, beaten everything up, out here, and on the cameras,

2323
03:14:42,870 --> 03:14:47,250
and you brought us a budget that already had a lot of cuts, and they weren't easy cuts,

2324
03:14:47,370 --> 03:14:49,990
and they weren't easy to get to, so it's appreciated.

2325
03:14:52,390 --> 03:14:55,230
And, you know, clearly, you know, less genius than an amazing job,

2326
03:14:56,390 --> 03:14:59,970
I've just processing this in a way that, you know, it's good and it's...

2327
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:02,060
And it keeps us into the big picture.

2328
03:15:04,360 --> 03:15:14,760
I supported, you know, property tax has issues. And a lot of it is the inequities of the property tax.

2329
03:15:15,540 --> 03:15:24,400
And that is where the problem needs to be resolved. But in the meantime, we have the tax system and the formula that we have.

2330
03:15:24,400 --> 03:15:31,140
And I think that the investment to our community is good.

2331
03:15:31,460 --> 03:15:32,920
And I support the budget.

2332
03:15:33,460 --> 03:15:35,580
I think we probably were going to have a lot of work ahead

2333
03:15:35,580 --> 03:15:39,100
to see if the minute tree passes, what that would look like.

2334
03:15:39,380 --> 03:15:40,420
I know it won't look pretty.

2335
03:15:41,680 --> 03:15:46,600
And at the meantime, I think we were hard to try to do as much as we can

2336
03:15:46,600 --> 03:15:55,460
to afford an efficient way the kind of quality life items that our citizens have told us

2337
03:15:55,460 --> 03:16:01,460
they want. And so, but I appreciate the hard work of this budget. It does show a lot of

2338
03:16:01,460 --> 03:16:07,940
discipline from the staff perspective. So, okay, I'm, so we got to do a roll call, but Commissioner

2339
03:16:07,940 --> 03:16:16,060
do guard. Commissioner Gow. And this is on the military, correct? Yeah, it is. I. Commissioner Sam

2340
03:16:16,060 --> 03:16:23,480
Bergen. Vice Mayor Walker. Mayor Frany. I motion passes unanimously. Yes, sorry. I guess I drifted

2341
03:16:23,480 --> 03:16:26,940
into the budget in the millage, but hard to do at this point. Okay.

2342
03:16:30,820 --> 03:16:32,940
Okay. And we're going to have

2343
03:16:32,940 --> 03:16:36,600
and please read Resolution 26-13 by title only,

2344
03:16:36,860 --> 03:16:39,380
which does go to the heart of the budget.

2345
03:16:40,100 --> 03:16:43,120
Resolution 26-13, a resolution of the City Commission

2346
03:16:43,120 --> 03:16:44,380
of the City of Dunnean, Florida,

2347
03:16:44,620 --> 03:16:46,980
adopting the tentative operating and capital budget,

2348
03:16:47,480 --> 03:16:50,140
for the fiscal year commencing October 1, 2026,

2349
03:16:50,240 --> 03:16:52,140
and ending September 30th, 2027,

2350
03:16:52,860 --> 03:16:54,880
providing for a second and final public hearing date

2351
03:16:54,880 --> 03:16:56,180
and providing for an effective date

2352
03:16:56,180 --> 03:16:58,240
that was resolution 26-13,

2353
03:16:58,280 --> 03:16:59,280
read by title only.

2354
03:17:00,840 --> 03:17:02,400
Okay, and can I have a motion?

2355
03:17:02,400 --> 03:17:03,480
So moved.

2356
03:17:03,780 --> 03:17:04,000
Second.

2357
03:17:06,160 --> 03:17:06,460
Okay.

2358
03:17:06,980 --> 03:17:07,760
Staff presentation.

2359
03:17:13,500 --> 03:17:15,300
We've finished our budget presentation.

2360
03:17:15,440 --> 03:17:16,300
You don't have anything additional.

2361
03:17:16,760 --> 03:17:17,640
I didn't think so.

2362
03:17:18,260 --> 03:17:18,420
Okay.

2363
03:17:19,240 --> 03:17:19,440
So.

2364
03:17:19,440 --> 03:17:20,000
Out of ammunition.

2365
03:17:20,960 --> 03:17:22,400
Here we go.

2366
03:17:23,060 --> 03:17:23,500
Thank you.

2367
03:17:23,960 --> 03:17:27,720
This is where City Manager was supposed to jump in again and say, hey, I want to say something.

2368
03:17:28,540 --> 03:17:28,700
Okay.

2369
03:17:29,040 --> 03:17:32,920
So well, no presentation, but does anybody have any additional questions?

2370
03:17:33,460 --> 03:17:36,820
Last time we decided the millages is clearly the budget and capital budget.

2371
03:17:36,820 --> 03:17:40,580
Anybody have any additional questions starting with or commissioner Cal.

2372
03:17:40,880 --> 03:17:41,820
I have no questions, ma'am.

2373
03:17:42,060 --> 03:17:42,580
Commissioner Dougard.

2374
03:17:42,620 --> 03:17:43,660
No questions, ma'am.

2375
03:17:43,660 --> 03:17:43,900
Questions?

2376
03:17:44,560 --> 03:17:45,480
Commissioner Samburn.

2377
03:17:45,820 --> 03:17:46,140
Nothing bad.

2378
03:17:46,560 --> 03:17:47,180
And I don't have any.

2379
03:17:49,000 --> 03:17:50,540
So I'll open it to public input.

2380
03:17:50,940 --> 03:17:55,640
Anyone new audience which to speak on this item having to do with the operating capital

2381
03:17:55,640 --> 03:17:57,760
budget for fiscal year 2027.

2382
03:17:59,860 --> 03:17:59,900
Okay.

2383
03:18:00,040 --> 03:18:00,600
Come on forward.

2384
03:18:00,680 --> 03:18:01,300
Name address.

2385
03:18:02,320 --> 03:18:08,420
And we will lay down to 306 Jones, it's just amazing that everybody laughed, and this is

2386
03:18:08,420 --> 03:18:10,060
really the most important issue tonight.

2387
03:18:10,480 --> 03:18:11,280
All the cameras laughed.

2388
03:18:11,800 --> 03:18:15,860
So thank you guys for putting up for keeping the military the same.

2389
03:18:16,220 --> 03:18:17,180
And you're absolutely right.

2390
03:18:17,300 --> 03:18:18,320
Thank you for that, Cleveland.

2391
03:18:19,680 --> 03:18:19,820
Okay.

2392
03:18:19,960 --> 03:18:22,720
Anyone else in the audience, which is important to be kind of this issue?

2393
03:18:24,100 --> 03:18:24,340
Okay.

2394
03:18:24,880 --> 03:18:26,500
Seeing no one else, I'll close public input.

2395
03:18:26,640 --> 03:18:29,240
I will go to final comments starting with Maker the Motion Vice Mayor.

2396
03:18:29,420 --> 03:18:30,000
Thank you, Mayor.

2397
03:18:30,000 --> 03:18:39,480
Yes, it's commendable whether we were able to reduce the budget by 11% that, again, testament to your due diligence in the work.

2398
03:18:40,040 --> 03:18:41,000
Thank you.

2399
03:18:41,980 --> 03:18:43,320
Commissioner, no, I'm sorry.

2400
03:18:43,480 --> 03:18:45,020
Seconder, the motion is Commissioner Dugard.

2401
03:18:48,070 --> 03:18:54,770
I'm oftentimes in awe of all the moving parts that you have to deal with here in the city.

2402
03:18:55,290 --> 03:19:01,970
And to keep them under a physical control system that you have is amazing to me.

2403
03:19:02,270 --> 03:19:06,170
Now, by the way, when I listen to you answer questions every now and then less, I'm confused.

2404
03:19:06,830 --> 03:19:08,090
Just so you know that.

2405
03:19:08,150 --> 03:19:12,070
That the glaze look that comes over me is a little bit of confusion.

2406
03:19:15,150 --> 03:19:18,410
But it's just, you've made it a wind up doll that's incredible.

2407
03:19:18,650 --> 03:19:20,690
I know there's been a lot of work in cutting this budget.

2408
03:19:20,690 --> 03:19:28,450
The capital budget is well-managed and you've just had a capital budget tsunami hit you and

2409
03:19:28,450 --> 03:19:31,130
What we had to deal with with FEMA and those expenditures?

2410
03:19:31,590 --> 03:19:35,110
I'm hoping that levels out and I might go to understand it next year.

2411
03:19:36,030 --> 03:19:36,830
Thank you.

2412
03:19:38,350 --> 03:19:40,450
Okay, Commissioner Gow.

2413
03:19:42,710 --> 03:19:47,690
You know for the residents in the audience or at home listening

2414
03:19:48,290 --> 03:19:55,030
that think that we are just blowing through this in a matter of 20 minutes, it's not the case, right?

2415
03:19:55,370 --> 03:19:59,770
This process starts in February and we've had several meetings over this.

2416
03:20:01,540 --> 03:20:25,680
And one of those public workshops that we had, there was a post on social media that said, hey, they're discussing the budget right now. What do you think? And I actually got really excited that I might hear good, good content from our residents on this is what we should be thinking and how we should be approaching things.

2417
03:20:25,680 --> 03:20:32,720
But I was so disappointed that it was just seemed to be a bunch of keyboard warriors.

2418
03:20:32,980 --> 03:20:39,000
It just wanted a bitch in the moment of complain without any real substance in their comments.

2419
03:20:39,780 --> 03:20:45,300
And I thought what a missed opportunity that is when you look at our process that starts in February

2420
03:20:45,300 --> 03:20:51,860
and the state of Florida and the state budget, where they passed their budget in three days.

2421
03:20:51,860 --> 03:20:58,460
It's given to them, read it, come back three days have a vote, and when you talk about local government,

2422
03:20:58,480 --> 03:21:05,740
when you talk about municipalities, and the length of time and the transparency, we really try our best.

2423
03:21:06,640 --> 03:21:16,440
Staff worked incredibly hard on this budget, 11% by Mayor Absolutly, that's astounding, and I know that didn't come easy.

2424
03:21:16,440 --> 03:21:19,500
that came with a lot of sweat and some beers.

2425
03:21:22,340 --> 03:21:26,720
And so I am in favor of it.

2426
03:21:27,420 --> 03:21:31,800
I hope enough residents understand and appreciate

2427
03:21:32,880 --> 03:21:36,900
what their city government does for them

2428
03:21:36,900 --> 03:21:41,700
that just a circle back when you talk about

2429
03:21:41,700 --> 03:21:45,300
your homeowners insurance and car insurance.

2430
03:21:45,300 --> 03:21:48,620
One, they make more money in the less money they pay out.

2431
03:21:48,920 --> 03:21:52,760
So they're physical responsibilities to save as much money.

2432
03:21:53,500 --> 03:21:55,360
Other than the city does it provide a service.

2433
03:21:56,100 --> 03:21:58,340
So if it's local money being spent locally,

2434
03:21:58,560 --> 03:22:00,620
you can be upset with your city government.

2435
03:22:01,940 --> 03:22:03,440
But it's your money being spent locally,

2436
03:22:03,440 --> 03:22:04,980
come talk to us.

2437
03:22:07,000 --> 03:22:10,760
I hope I'm not smudging too far along the line of amendment three.

2438
03:22:12,240 --> 03:22:14,220
But I am in favor of this.

2439
03:22:14,220 --> 03:22:20,300
Let's thank you and your staff for working so incredibly hard and all the department heads.

2440
03:22:20,440 --> 03:22:24,600
I know this was a collective, a collective, lifting.

2441
03:22:25,620 --> 03:22:30,300
So thank you all very much for listening to the comments of an old man.

2442
03:22:30,860 --> 03:22:31,220
All right.

2443
03:22:32,160 --> 03:22:32,360
Okay.

2444
03:22:33,280 --> 03:22:34,620
Commissioner Sanberg and final comment.

2445
03:22:34,620 --> 03:22:39,360
So we talk about the price of labor, price of supplies, everything is going up.

2446
03:22:39,520 --> 03:22:41,300
I've heard insurance going up.

2447
03:22:41,300 --> 03:22:44,660
except one thing, the dirty in city taxes.

2448
03:22:45,500 --> 03:22:47,320
Is that safe to say, isn't it?

2449
03:22:47,420 --> 03:22:48,700
It's the same milled rate.

2450
03:22:49,220 --> 03:22:52,360
I would say that the rate at which we tax is not going up.

2451
03:22:52,360 --> 03:22:52,920
That's what I mean.

2452
03:22:53,760 --> 03:22:57,040
The rate at which we tax has not gone up.

2453
03:22:57,040 --> 03:22:58,540
That's actually because of property values.

2454
03:22:58,560 --> 03:22:58,760
Right.

2455
03:22:58,960 --> 03:22:59,440
Does go up something.

2456
03:22:59,500 --> 03:22:59,800
Exactly.

2457
03:23:00,120 --> 03:23:01,240
Well, because of property values.

2458
03:23:01,680 --> 03:23:01,700
Right.

2459
03:23:02,100 --> 03:23:02,720
Job well done.

2460
03:23:02,980 --> 03:23:03,760
Thank you.

2461
03:23:06,000 --> 03:23:06,260
Okay.

2462
03:23:07,460 --> 03:23:08,980
I'm supporting this budget as well.

2463
03:23:09,120 --> 03:23:10,660
Decrease of 11% is great.

2464
03:23:10,960 --> 03:23:12,580
Again, that goes back to my comments earlier.

2465
03:23:12,580 --> 03:23:19,780
about the cuts, I commend all of you here for that, I think it's going to be interesting

2466
03:23:19,780 --> 03:23:27,600
as we move forward. What's the total parks and wreck budget? Like 12 million? Yeah.

2467
03:23:27,740 --> 03:23:33,620
About 12 million? 12.5 million? Yes. Right. And you know, people look at that and they're like,

2468
03:23:33,680 --> 03:23:40,680
oh my gosh, they've got a ton of money to cut and we don't realize almost half of that is parks.

2469
03:23:41,620 --> 03:23:48,100
something, every citizen, well, most citizens in this community have wanted us to have lots of parks on green space.

2470
03:23:48,600 --> 03:23:49,820
And you have to take care of it.

2471
03:23:50,120 --> 03:23:57,780
I was out walking out by the, um, the, um, one last of the area where the boat club was destroyed.

2472
03:23:58,240 --> 03:24:01,080
And of course, a couple of our parks workers were out there cleaning up.

2473
03:24:01,200 --> 03:24:01,980
I mean, that's labor.

2474
03:24:02,180 --> 03:24:02,800
It's labor.

2475
03:24:02,960 --> 03:24:03,460
It's upkeep.

2476
03:24:03,980 --> 03:24:09,740
And I think that's where, you know, as we continue to try to educate and what's in the budget and what's at stake.

2477
03:24:09,740 --> 03:24:11,620
I think that's going to continue to be important.

2478
03:24:11,980 --> 03:24:15,580
But I support the fact that in this budget, right now,

2479
03:24:15,940 --> 03:24:19,740
a lot of work was done to effectively reduce this budget

2480
03:24:19,740 --> 03:24:24,800
to 11%, it took a lot, and again, I'm supportive of it.

2481
03:24:25,380 --> 03:24:26,620
So let's go to roll call vote.

2482
03:24:26,940 --> 03:24:28,000
Commissioner Sam Berkin.

2483
03:24:28,800 --> 03:24:29,820
Commissioner Gow.

2484
03:24:29,880 --> 03:24:30,120
Hi.

2485
03:24:30,440 --> 03:24:31,380
Commissioner Doogard.

2486
03:24:31,660 --> 03:24:31,880
Hi.

2487
03:24:32,400 --> 03:24:33,240
Vice Mayor Walker.

2488
03:24:33,460 --> 03:24:33,900
All right.

2489
03:24:34,020 --> 03:24:34,780
And Mayor Franny.

2490
03:24:35,220 --> 03:24:36,560
I am in motion past unanimously.

2491
03:24:37,620 --> 03:24:38,020
OK.

2492
03:24:38,020 --> 03:24:42,620
Mayor, if I may, as you know, I very rarely ask all the department directors to attend a meeting,

2493
03:24:42,860 --> 03:24:48,120
but they're all here this evening for the first public hearing of the budget, and I know

2494
03:24:48,120 --> 03:24:51,540
that Philis was not able to attend to her staff this year, so thank you very much for coming,

2495
03:24:52,360 --> 03:24:54,320
but I guess some of them can go on now.

2496
03:24:54,520 --> 03:24:55,960
Wherever Philis is, we appreciate it.

2497
03:24:56,160 --> 03:24:56,940
That's right.

2498
03:24:57,300 --> 03:24:57,720
Thank you.

2499
03:24:57,800 --> 03:24:58,040
Thank you.

2500
03:25:00,980 --> 03:25:08,920
Yeah, you guys are here later than usual, too. Tony has to stay, Laurie is staying, Laurie is staying. They were a couple

2501
03:25:08,920 --> 03:25:14,600
naps that were taken I was watching, but thanks everybody. You guys don't want to stay for the

2502
03:25:14,600 --> 03:25:21,740
marina rates? America. America, we just need to read one more slide, okay?

2503
03:25:25,300 --> 03:25:39,020
In accordance with Florida's Truth and Milage Trim Laws, a notice of proposed tax increase and a budget summary advertisement will be published within 15 days of today's tentative budget hearing.

2504
03:25:39,020 --> 03:25:49,220
a public hearing to adopt the final millage rate and budget will be held Tuesday, sorry, Thursday, September, 17th at

2505
03:25:49,220 --> 03:25:52,340
6 p.m. at City Hall City Commission Chambers.

2506
03:25:54,640 --> 03:25:55,340
Thank you.

2507
03:25:55,700 --> 03:25:55,980
Okay.

2508
03:25:56,120 --> 03:25:57,940
Let's go ahead and amend this slide for the record.

2509
03:25:58,580 --> 03:25:58,840
Thanks.

2510
03:25:59,680 --> 03:26:00,240
Okay.

2511
03:26:00,520 --> 03:26:00,740
All right.

2512
03:26:00,960 --> 03:26:01,860
Well, thank you both.

2513
03:26:03,020 --> 03:26:05,140
And are you also up here for the marina rates?

2514
03:26:05,740 --> 03:26:07,040
Who's doing that one?

2515
03:26:07,580 --> 03:26:07,600
Yeah.

2516
03:26:07,600 --> 03:26:09,980
I'm going to do that with, and Laura's going to draw on that, right?

2517
03:26:10,400 --> 03:26:10,480
Yeah.

2518
03:26:10,480 --> 03:26:12,120
I hope we are.

2519
03:26:14,220 --> 03:26:18,120
Okay, so we're going to go to Resolution 26-17,

2520
03:26:18,280 --> 03:26:20,200
amending the Marina user fees.

2521
03:26:20,700 --> 03:26:25,480
Jen, can you please read Resolution 26-17 by Title Loneley?

2522
03:26:26,320 --> 03:26:30,020
Resolution 26-17, a resolution in the City Commission of the City

2523
03:26:30,020 --> 03:26:35,840
of Dunedin Ford, establishing Dunedin Marina user fees, including rates for use of boat

2524
03:26:35,840 --> 03:26:41,440
let's pursue it to Section 86-76 and charges for use of boat ramp launches.

2525
03:26:42,120 --> 03:26:46,540
Pursuant to Section 86-105 of the code of ordinances of the seed,

2526
03:26:46,640 --> 03:26:51,760
the need in repealing resolution 25-29 in its entirety and providing for

2527
03:26:51,760 --> 03:26:54,780
severability, providing and providing for an effective date.

2528
03:26:54,900 --> 03:26:57,760
That was resolution 26-17 read by Title Rally.

2529
03:26:58,400 --> 03:27:01,880
Okay, the motion is to adopt resolution 26-17 increasing.

2530
03:27:01,880 --> 03:27:06,220
the Marina Slip user fees by 7% affected by October 1, 2026.

2531
03:27:06,640 --> 03:27:07,240
So moved.

2532
03:27:09,360 --> 03:27:09,760
Finally.

2533
03:27:10,200 --> 03:27:10,760
All right.

2534
03:27:10,760 --> 03:27:11,240
I had to work.

2535
03:27:13,880 --> 03:27:14,860
I'm a slip runner.

2536
03:27:15,060 --> 03:27:15,500
Here you go.

2537
03:27:16,060 --> 03:27:16,320
OK.

2538
03:27:16,360 --> 03:27:17,060
Staff presentation.

2539
03:27:17,520 --> 03:27:18,520
Less Tony and Lori.

2540
03:27:19,980 --> 03:27:20,180
OK.

2541
03:27:20,320 --> 03:27:21,160
I'll kick it off.

2542
03:27:21,900 --> 03:27:23,720
This slide was resolution 26 to 17.

2543
03:27:24,180 --> 03:27:27,940
And we're recommending an increase in Marina Slip user fees of 7%

2544
03:27:28,460 --> 03:27:28,780
of fact.

2545
03:27:28,900 --> 03:27:30,160
October 1, 2026.

2546
03:27:30,160 --> 03:27:35,300
Some background on this item. In late 2022, the city of Dunedin did a very comprehensive

2547
03:27:35,300 --> 03:27:40,100
rates that he prepared by Consultant Raft Ellis for the Dunedin Marina to determine

2548
03:27:40,100 --> 03:27:44,720
what rates the enterprise fund needed to be sustainable. The report was received by Commission

2549
03:27:44,720 --> 03:27:51,840
in January 23 and the study recommended a series of 5-10% incremental rate increases and rates

2550
03:27:51,840 --> 03:27:57,460
have not been increased since 2015. The city commission approved the initial 10% rate increase

2551
03:27:57,460 --> 03:28:05,060
March 9th, 2023, and the rate changes have been a 10% increase took place on April 1st, 2023.

2552
03:28:06,840 --> 03:28:13,880
Another 10% increase took place on October 1st, 2024. Another 10% increase took place on October 1st, 2025.

2553
03:28:14,520 --> 03:28:19,920
The next goes to the increase is before the commission today with a proposed rate increase of 7%

2554
03:28:19,920 --> 03:28:26,040
effective October 1st, 2026. Staff is forecasted the financial needs of the Marine Enterprise Fund

2555
03:28:26,040 --> 03:28:30,140
and we believe the 7% increase is necessary to keep them marine to fund self-sustaining.

2556
03:28:30,800 --> 03:28:35,660
The new revenue will directly cover daily operations debt service and vital capital improvements

2557
03:28:35,660 --> 03:28:39,140
while maintaining our financial reserves in a healthy manner.

2558
03:28:39,140 --> 03:28:44,160
I want to mention that the city received a $3 million state appropriation for a physical year

2559
03:28:45,380 --> 03:28:50,060
2627 to support Hurricane Repair and Restoration at the Dunedin Arena.

2560
03:28:50,400 --> 03:28:54,880
These funds will assist the arena fund with the storm related repairs to the docking and

2561
03:28:54,880 --> 03:28:56,800
dock V and will be very helpful with that project.

2562
03:28:57,680 --> 03:29:00,880
But I also want to mention one item in our long range plan.

2563
03:29:01,660 --> 03:29:08,540
Our forecast, the forecast assumes that FEMA and the state will fully fund the cost to replace

2564
03:29:08,540 --> 03:29:14,340
stock A and B with modern floating docks and our current budget in the brain of fund is an estimated

2565
03:29:14,340 --> 03:29:20,800
cost to have floating docks. The potential risk is if FEMA does not approve of paying for

2566
03:29:20,800 --> 03:29:25,040
the mitigating and mitigation cost of floating docks, the brain of fund may have to cover

2567
03:29:25,040 --> 03:29:30,100
more expenses than we currently have in our forecast, possibly. The impact would be if FEMA

2568
03:29:30,100 --> 03:29:34,560
funding is denied for four costs of floating docks, the brain of fund will face additional

2569
03:29:34,560 --> 03:29:39,320
capital costs. To cover the price of those added costs, we would likely need to implement

2570
03:29:39,320 --> 03:29:44,860
additional slip rate increases in future years. This is a complex project, and the

2571
03:29:44,860 --> 03:29:50,300
scope of repairs may increase the cost of the project and may not all be eligible for

2572
03:29:50,300 --> 03:29:56,080
FEMA reimbursements. I also want to mention in the staffing in the exhibit, which is the last page.

2573
03:29:57,700 --> 03:29:59,980
there's there's some reference to some

2574
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:05,540
This slips, there's five slips that have a reference that the slip size has changed. And I want to point that out, there's an

2575
03:30:05,540 --> 03:30:12,440
astric and a footnote at the bottom that we have five slips that change and they'll have a new rate in 2027 year, because

2576
03:30:12,440 --> 03:30:19,480
of their slip size has changed. I want to mention that the rate study was done, that was done was

2577
03:30:19,480 --> 03:30:25,700
independent of any of any kind, any sort of the marine master plan increases. The study was just to

2578
03:30:25,700 --> 03:30:30,980
maintain the infrastructure at the marina in the 2022 timeframe. Staff recommends approval of

2579
03:30:30,980 --> 03:30:35,340
Resolution 26-17 and happy to answer any questions. Thank you.

2580
03:30:35,640 --> 03:30:37,000
Hey questions, Vice Mayor?

2581
03:30:39,500 --> 03:30:52,800
Yeah, just wanting to confirm. So when we pass this in 2023 or 2022, basically it was 10% in five

2582
03:30:52,800 --> 03:30:59,480
convince 10 percent every year for five years, right? And just to confirm, basically, what you

2583
03:30:59,480 --> 03:31:08,880
forecasted for this year is less than 10 percent, it's 7 percent. That's great. No for the questions.

2584
03:31:09,780 --> 03:31:17,120
Okay, Mr. Sambergen? It's last night I had an hour and a half talk with a

2585
03:31:17,120 --> 03:31:26,900
But I didn't even realize it was a slip runner and they made a comment how much they get for how little they pay.

2586
03:31:27,140 --> 03:31:29,540
I was really encouraging to hear somebody present it like that.

2587
03:31:29,640 --> 03:31:32,000
I won't say their name because I've known them a long time.

2588
03:31:32,180 --> 03:31:33,200
I didn't realize they had a boat.

2589
03:31:33,880 --> 03:31:37,500
But 23, 24, 25 or whatever.

2590
03:31:37,840 --> 03:31:43,140
That's the 10% now seven and that's because of that $3 million.

2591
03:31:43,780 --> 03:31:46,020
Is that why the percentage went up?

2592
03:31:47,720 --> 03:31:51,220
So we had five years of a 10% increase, is that correct?

2593
03:31:51,440 --> 03:31:57,760
What we had, they proposed five years at 10%, but what we've done three years at 10% and now

2594
03:31:57,760 --> 03:32:03,660
we're recommending that we'd do that to 7% this year because we feel because of some

2595
03:32:03,660 --> 03:32:08,600
of the, well, really, the state appropriation, as an example, that's funding that came in

2596
03:32:08,600 --> 03:32:09,320
that wasn't planned.

2597
03:32:10,180 --> 03:32:12,560
So we, we're, we're, we're over the lower the rates.

2598
03:32:12,560 --> 03:32:16,560
As long as FEMA fully reimburses us, we know we have a good plan if they don't fully

2599
03:32:17,440 --> 03:32:17,840
reimburses.

2600
03:32:17,960 --> 03:32:22,280
We may have to possibly look at, you know, it's just in the race a little more in the future,

2601
03:32:22,400 --> 03:32:24,620
but right now we think it's a good plan.

2602
03:32:25,160 --> 03:32:30,140
So, are we geared, you feel real solid in the event of a delinquency?

2603
03:32:30,480 --> 03:32:33,880
Do I understand we can go in and take possession with the salvage?

2604
03:32:34,180 --> 03:32:39,960
We can actually take over a boat if it's severely delinquent, is that right?

2605
03:32:40,540 --> 03:32:41,900
Yes, that is correct.

2606
03:32:41,900 --> 03:32:45,980
And then we would go ahead and sell it to recover our losses.

2607
03:32:46,280 --> 03:32:47,640
Is that what we would do?

2608
03:32:48,060 --> 03:32:49,760
Yes, good evening Mayor.

2609
03:32:50,180 --> 03:32:51,160
Vice Mayor Commissioner.

2610
03:32:51,740 --> 03:32:53,360
Lori Ferguson, Harbormaster.

2611
03:32:54,360 --> 03:32:57,460
We've had to do that one time and actually auction off a boat.

2612
03:32:57,740 --> 03:33:01,660
Other than that, we've been able to work our way through some situations

2613
03:33:01,660 --> 03:33:03,480
at no cost to the Marina.

2614
03:33:04,900 --> 03:33:08,100
And most of the time ending up recovering the funds.

2615
03:33:09,000 --> 03:33:14,140
I'm going to ask you one, maybe two questions that don't have to do with this, but they have

2616
03:33:14,140 --> 03:33:15,920
to direct marine operations.

2617
03:33:17,080 --> 03:33:18,660
In the event, now we're at September.

2618
03:33:19,420 --> 03:33:21,640
So by this time next week, we could be under hurricane warning.

2619
03:33:22,520 --> 03:33:26,300
What is our, what kind of contingent plans do we have to get those boats out of there?

2620
03:33:29,840 --> 03:33:34,380
We always recommend that if a boat can be trailered, that it be removed from the marine.

2621
03:33:34,640 --> 03:33:37,380
At that point, we'd open the ramp, obviously, to that owner.

2622
03:33:37,540 --> 03:33:40,860
Yes, as a matter of fact, on our normal operating conditions, we

2623
03:33:40,860 --> 03:33:47,140
close the ramp to the public, and we allow our vessels to exit the marina.

2624
03:33:47,520 --> 03:33:48,960
Okay, so we're geared, if that did.

2625
03:33:49,100 --> 03:33:57,900
Yes, the larger vessels, however, it's very difficult for them to find a place for those

2626
03:33:57,900 --> 03:33:58,960
vessels to go.

2627
03:33:59,300 --> 03:34:03,620
Okay, with the condition of that, a lot of it's under construction.

2628
03:34:04,780 --> 03:34:10,160
Some of those larger boats could be removed with a crane, but obviously right now, we couldn't

2629
03:34:10,160 --> 03:34:15,120
position a crane to get those boats out am I right well the question becomes if you

2630
03:34:15,120 --> 03:34:19,820
lift them with a crane where do you put them they if if someone had pre-arranged

2631
03:34:19,820 --> 03:34:27,600
hauling trailer yes I mean I don't see that happening okay very often I don't

2632
03:34:27,600 --> 03:34:34,660
hear about that happening if they take it out to a haul out spot but when there is a

2633
03:34:34,660 --> 03:34:40,620
storm everyone's doing the same thing so it becomes very difficult and there are no real hurricane

2634
03:34:40,620 --> 03:34:46,820
holes around our coast so when they decide to exit that Marina it's a question of what direction

2635
03:34:46,820 --> 03:34:52,800
do you go because the storm may be coming one direction now and then it changes course and they're

2636
03:34:52,800 --> 03:34:59,720
heading right into it. It was less once the storm is named not named but once we are under a hurricane

2637
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:03,580
And you cannot force a vessel to leave by water.

2638
03:35:04,360 --> 03:35:10,020
Okay. No, it's just very encouraging to hear someone go on and on about how happy they were in the

2639
03:35:10,020 --> 03:35:17,760
arena for the price they paid and what they get, including Lori. I mean, it was very encouraging

2640
03:35:17,760 --> 03:35:20,560
to hear that from a citizen last night said, it's all I have.

2641
03:35:20,900 --> 03:35:23,940
You probably spend way too much time walking by that mariner.

2642
03:35:25,400 --> 03:35:27,140
But at least twice a week.

2643
03:35:28,380 --> 03:35:29,400
I did.

2644
03:35:30,600 --> 03:35:31,240
OK.

2645
03:35:31,320 --> 03:35:32,120
Commissioner, go.

2646
03:35:34,480 --> 03:35:34,900
Questions?

2647
03:35:37,420 --> 03:35:38,060
Yeah.

2648
03:35:38,340 --> 03:35:39,240
So where am I?

2649
03:35:40,780 --> 03:35:42,060
No, I'm just really.

2650
03:35:42,980 --> 03:35:43,340
It's.

2651
03:35:43,340 --> 03:35:44,020
It speaks volumes.

2652
03:35:45,000 --> 03:35:48,220
They were able to reduce the rate from 10 to 7.

2653
03:35:49,040 --> 03:35:52,580
It just speaks well to, again, the management of the marina.

2654
03:35:52,580 --> 03:35:56,420
And it's testament by at least one select runner.

2655
03:35:56,920 --> 03:35:57,960
The question is on a hat.

2656
03:35:58,340 --> 03:35:59,020
The question now.

2657
03:35:59,220 --> 03:36:00,020
That was a great question.

2658
03:36:00,160 --> 03:36:00,760
What is it?

2659
03:36:00,800 --> 03:36:01,160
I'm kidding.

2660
03:36:01,360 --> 03:36:02,660
It's getting myself this big.

2661
03:36:03,180 --> 03:36:05,280
I guess it is getting like real quickly.

2662
03:36:06,060 --> 03:36:12,960
The start slips that are getting an increase, the or new rates next year.

2663
03:36:13,400 --> 03:36:15,900
Those slip rotors know that.

2664
03:36:17,060 --> 03:36:23,300
So, they're getting the same increase basically as everything else, but the square footage

2665
03:36:23,300 --> 03:36:28,260
of the slip has been reduced because the design of the C-wall cap, so we've lost about

2666
03:36:28,260 --> 03:36:35,520
four feet in those slips along that front C-wall cap, and we don't have boats in there

2667
03:36:35,520 --> 03:36:40,360
right now, other than one, and he is aware of what his new rate will be.

2668
03:36:40,360 --> 03:36:44,280
It's actually going to be less than his rate was before, so we're doing it, right?

2669
03:36:44,800 --> 03:36:45,680
Thank you.

2670
03:36:46,700 --> 03:36:48,480
I'm looking to make sure to start questions.

2671
03:36:49,020 --> 03:36:49,420
Thank you, Mayor.

2672
03:36:50,520 --> 03:36:51,920
I'm interested in the boat ramp,

2673
03:36:52,480 --> 03:36:53,940
launch annual and daily fee.

2674
03:36:54,120 --> 03:36:57,840
I noticed that the annual fee has gone up substantially,

2675
03:36:58,080 --> 03:37:00,680
but the daily fee is stable.

2676
03:37:01,400 --> 03:37:02,300
Is there a reason for that?

2677
03:37:03,300 --> 03:37:04,620
Or tell me what's going on there.

2678
03:37:05,100 --> 03:37:07,440
So the boat launch fee hasn't changed.

2679
03:37:08,100 --> 03:37:11,040
At this time, what you're seeing is the resident person's non-resident.

2680
03:37:11,040 --> 03:37:15,440
But it has stayed the same, and I think we're going to address that.

2681
03:37:15,720 --> 03:37:21,040
We're going to revisit that when some other decisions have been made about the boat ramp.

2682
03:37:22,820 --> 03:37:28,680
So the, yeah, my point was exactly what you said, which is non-residents staying the same as the resident on daily.

2683
03:37:29,320 --> 03:37:35,480
Oh, the daily, that went to a few years ago, we put a kiosk out at the boat ramp.

2684
03:37:35,740 --> 03:37:39,500
Okay. And the kiosk could not determine the difference between a resident and a non-resident.

2685
03:37:39,500 --> 03:37:45,500
We are way to do that with exactly. We just had to put a flat fee on that.

2686
03:37:48,220 --> 03:37:50,940
All right. Thank you. That's all I had, man.

2687
03:37:54,200 --> 03:37:56,500
So finance board reviewed this.

2688
03:37:57,340 --> 03:38:00,400
Finance boards aware of this and agrees with it.

2689
03:38:00,400 --> 03:38:04,180
Yeah, finance board was aware of a 7% increase instead of 10%.

2690
03:38:04,180 --> 03:38:06,860
Well, we discussed it a couple times in the finance board.

2691
03:38:06,860 --> 03:38:15,040
And then the assumption is we'll stay at 10% for next year, but we'll see kind of what we look like next year.

2692
03:38:15,360 --> 03:38:24,700
Yeah, we'll see we look like if we, if FEMA is going to reimburse us like we expect, we should be able to go 7% again, but we'll just have to evaluate next year and see we're out.

2693
03:38:25,180 --> 03:38:27,580
Okay, and do we have any live aborts anymore?

2694
03:38:28,480 --> 03:38:28,640
1.

2695
03:38:30,560 --> 03:38:35,720
And the person's grandfather basically, or, yes, and owns Dunnean property.

2696
03:38:36,280 --> 03:38:38,080
Okay. Gotcha. Okay.

2697
03:38:40,480 --> 03:38:47,040
Yeah, the boat ramp, I think, is it done? Rubik's Cube, as they say, so to be figured out.

2698
03:38:47,880 --> 03:38:51,860
I don't have any other questions, so I'll go to.

2699
03:38:52,360 --> 03:38:54,780
Mayor, I'm sorry. I was going to ask one thing real quick.

2700
03:38:54,860 --> 03:38:55,080
Sure.

2701
03:38:55,080 --> 03:39:01,840
less. Is there any way just the change in slip size, new rate, little

2702
03:39:01,840 --> 03:39:06,300
asterisk? There's already a single asterisk in a double asterisk and this can

2703
03:39:06,300 --> 03:39:09,520
make it just a simple, so it stands out a little more.

2704
03:39:10,220 --> 03:39:12,540
A different sample? Oh sure, yeah.

2705
03:39:12,800 --> 03:39:16,740
It's clear. I just want there to be a confusion in a single asterisk.

2706
03:39:16,740 --> 03:39:17,660
Yeah, sure.

2707
03:39:18,440 --> 03:39:18,520
Yeah.

2708
03:39:18,540 --> 03:39:18,680
Cool.

2709
03:39:19,080 --> 03:39:19,360
Okay.

2710
03:39:20,460 --> 03:39:22,160
Whatever our attorney says.

2711
03:39:24,060 --> 03:39:24,240
Okay.

2712
03:39:25,060 --> 03:39:27,360
I'm going to open this up for a public input.

2713
03:39:27,540 --> 03:39:31,960
Anyone in the audience wish to come forward and speak on the Marine Night User

2714
03:39:31,960 --> 03:39:32,460
Feas.

2715
03:39:33,540 --> 03:39:33,840
Okay.

2716
03:39:34,000 --> 03:39:34,200
Cleveland.

2717
03:39:35,520 --> 03:39:36,740
They're going to dress you again for the record.

2718
03:39:36,840 --> 03:39:38,760
I'm going to look up to 306 Jones.

2719
03:39:39,280 --> 03:39:41,900
So I am a slip runner and I do want to thank Tony and Lori.

2720
03:39:42,200 --> 03:39:45,940
They have given us all these numbers ahead of time up for like 10 years.

2721
03:39:45,940 --> 03:39:54,200
So we know what's coming as far as the price going up at the slip, that's just total transparency, I really do appreciate that.

2722
03:39:54,620 --> 03:39:59,840
I am curious about, I'm on the Advisory Committee, so we're going to have the boat ramp.

2723
03:40:00,400 --> 03:40:05,000
The next, if you're really interested in that, come to that meeting because it should be very interesting.

2724
03:40:05,620 --> 03:40:13,340
And the other thing is, we did get the money allocated from the state. I've been asking Lori, but I understand you're working on the budget now, but that's quite a bit of money.

2725
03:40:13,960 --> 03:40:23,700
So, you were talking about FEMA tonight. So, there's a little bit of gray area there, but I'm sure we'll talk about it in the advisory committee, but it is on everybody's mind, because it is so much money.

2726
03:40:24,300 --> 03:40:26,020
Okay, thank you.

2727
03:40:26,020 --> 03:40:26,860
Thank you, Cleveland.

2728
03:40:27,300 --> 03:40:28,920
We'll have you come every meeting.

2729
03:40:29,160 --> 03:40:30,100
You've been very helpful.

2730
03:40:31,300 --> 03:40:32,100
Thank you.

2731
03:40:32,820 --> 03:40:33,220
Okay.

2732
03:40:34,720 --> 03:40:38,120
Anyone else in the public wish to come forward and speak on this issue?

2733
03:40:39,000 --> 03:40:39,180
Okay.

2734
03:40:39,340 --> 03:40:39,860
You know what?

2735
03:40:39,940 --> 03:40:40,900
I'll close public input.

2736
03:40:41,460 --> 03:40:42,440
Go to final comments.

2737
03:40:42,640 --> 03:40:44,400
Starting with Maker the Motion Commissioner to go.

2738
03:40:46,220 --> 03:40:48,080
It's the only one I got in the night, by the way.

2739
03:40:48,440 --> 03:40:49,080
Maker the motion.

2740
03:40:49,460 --> 03:40:53,120
Yeah, I think this is wonderful news that we're not having to go to 10%.

2741
03:40:53,120 --> 03:40:58,320
congratulations to everybody that got us here. I do think there's some things to work out and we've

2742
03:40:58,320 --> 03:41:05,100
got a couple interesting years ahead of us, what we're doing and I thank finance, I thank

2743
03:41:05,100 --> 03:41:10,140
Lori, I thank Tony for all you're doing and I also thank the committee. They're doing a great job too.

2744
03:41:11,120 --> 03:41:16,340
That's all I have there. Okay, second year of the motion, Commissioner Sandberg and final comments.

2745
03:41:16,340 --> 03:41:23,840
It's very, you've made this really smooth in other, and when somebody says I can't believe

2746
03:41:23,840 --> 03:41:27,940
I get all that for such a good price, makes it a lot of pretty simple.

2747
03:41:28,360 --> 03:41:28,860
Good job.

2748
03:41:29,080 --> 03:41:29,200
Thanks.

2749
03:41:29,380 --> 03:41:30,660
How many years did you buy this guy?

2750
03:41:33,400 --> 03:41:34,400
Was it Wednesday?

2751
03:41:36,560 --> 03:41:39,580
Of course, a vice mayor, final comments?

2752
03:41:39,580 --> 03:41:46,960
No, I good job being able to reduce the 10% increase.

2753
03:41:48,280 --> 03:41:53,000
What I would like, though, because it's been a while since we had a marine update,

2754
03:41:53,980 --> 03:41:57,900
I'm wondering kind of where the marine master plan is,

2755
03:41:58,200 --> 03:42:03,640
what's the status of the peer, where we add on the bulkheads.

2756
03:42:04,580 --> 03:42:08,160
It's been a little bit of a time since we last got an update.

2757
03:42:08,160 --> 03:42:10,240
So that would be great.

2758
03:42:10,860 --> 03:42:12,300
Thank you.

2759
03:42:13,060 --> 03:42:15,420
Well, following in Commissioner San Bergen's footsteps,

2760
03:42:15,840 --> 03:42:19,340
I did talk to Chip down at the Marina the other day.

2761
03:42:19,880 --> 03:42:23,320
And he said they're ready to cap it off and these wall.

2762
03:42:23,920 --> 03:42:26,580
And so I'm just trying to live up to your standard there.

2763
03:42:27,220 --> 03:42:30,420
So I'm trying to cut it down to like one, sorry, two weeks.

2764
03:42:31,820 --> 03:42:33,180
Yeah, I was curious too.

2765
03:42:33,320 --> 03:42:36,340
How long time we are and with the peer?

2766
03:42:37,060 --> 03:42:37,180
Yes.

2767
03:42:37,940 --> 03:42:43,540
do we sell a corv in canier issue with permitting or we so my understanding is we

2768
03:42:43,540 --> 03:42:49,680
have one area fisheries left the plans are in their office and we're looking

2769
03:42:49,680 --> 03:42:54,340
for them to approve the plans and then thereafter a place is going to talk to you

2770
03:42:54,340 --> 03:43:01,730
about that actually we see comments from fisheries on Wednesday no Tuesday

2771
03:43:01,730 --> 03:43:05,730
that was Tuesday so we're addressing those we should have those back hopefully

2772
03:43:05,730 --> 03:43:12,950
sometime next week, but how long it takes for them to respond to those comments? I don't know.

2773
03:43:15,390 --> 03:43:19,490
Okay, so one of the things that we do want to do is that we want to engage all of you a little

2774
03:43:19,490 --> 03:43:25,650
bit more and start really putting some pressure, including our representative as well, and

2775
03:43:25,650 --> 03:43:31,610
Annabelle Luna, they get this moved along. Okay, because as far as we know, there's really no

2776
03:43:33,890 --> 03:43:38,610
standard or requirement for how long they have it and how long, you know, until they

2777
03:43:38,610 --> 03:43:39,350
replied to us.

2778
03:43:39,590 --> 03:43:43,090
So we need, so I guess I took my, you know, gaped there for a minute.

2779
03:43:43,530 --> 03:43:47,570
So I thought the last one was fisheries and we've heard from the fisheries, but they generated

2780
03:43:47,570 --> 03:43:47,950
comments.

2781
03:43:48,110 --> 03:43:48,810
The generated comments.

2782
03:43:48,810 --> 03:43:49,350
Okay, okay.

2783
03:43:49,350 --> 03:43:52,330
So we're responding to those comments and some of those are just more general

2784
03:43:52,330 --> 03:43:56,170
statements that may have been in the application originally.

2785
03:43:57,410 --> 03:44:04,550
So, once we resumit, then they have, there's a real note clock that says they have to respond to us in a certain amount of time.

2786
03:44:04,550 --> 03:44:10,250
We don't want another 30, 40, 40 and then after that, how long is it until the premise actually issued?

2787
03:44:10,570 --> 03:44:12,470
I mean, you know so.

2788
03:44:12,730 --> 03:44:14,570
And are we going to be running for election right now?

2789
03:44:15,070 --> 03:44:18,190
So, I would think we can get it with fast response from some of our federal.

2790
03:44:18,430 --> 03:44:20,690
So, somehow we keep the contractor engaged, right?

2791
03:44:21,750 --> 03:44:25,070
And I've just had one more thing to that.

2792
03:44:25,170 --> 03:44:29,910
I don't, you probably saw the press release earlier for last week, and I shared it with

2793
03:44:29,910 --> 03:44:30,570
the city manager.

2794
03:44:31,350 --> 03:44:38,490
But safety harbors open up their peer, and now the caveat is that their scope of damage

2795
03:44:38,490 --> 03:44:46,290
was far less than what ours was, and so at least that's what allows me to sleep at night.

2796
03:44:47,130 --> 03:44:50,150
And so I just, keep us, keep us updated.

2797
03:44:50,150 --> 03:44:59,270
And safety harbor was ready for construction prior to the storms and then held off their construction until our federal funding came in.

2798
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:08,920
Okay, thank you. Yes. Okay, final comments. I think you hadn't done your final comments. I'm reading it. You had, okay. So, Mr. Gallagher.

2799
03:45:09,040 --> 03:45:12,120
I already had mine. Okay, so we're good. I got everybody.

2800
03:45:14,200 --> 03:45:16,980
Okay, so, and I'm in favor of them as well.

2801
03:45:17,340 --> 03:45:28,680
I did want to say one kudo, because we really are great at meeting up on the state, because therefore we're getting in our business, but in this case, they actually helped us, and they gave us an appropriation and that is appreciated.

2802
03:45:28,680 --> 03:45:33,360
So it's very helpful, you know, based on the devastation of the storm.

2803
03:45:34,320 --> 03:45:37,440
So okay, we'll call the Vice Mayor Walker.

2804
03:45:37,840 --> 03:45:38,240
All right.

2805
03:45:38,940 --> 03:45:39,940
Commissioner Gow.

2806
03:45:41,160 --> 03:45:42,300
Commissioner Sam Bergen.

2807
03:45:43,460 --> 03:45:44,520
Commissioner Dugard.

2808
03:45:44,600 --> 03:45:45,120
All right.

2809
03:45:45,340 --> 03:45:45,920
And Mayor Frank.

2810
03:45:46,340 --> 03:45:46,540
Aye.

2811
03:45:46,660 --> 03:45:47,800
And that motion passes unanimously.

2812
03:45:48,960 --> 03:45:49,360
Okay.

2813
03:45:49,860 --> 03:45:59,320
We are going to go to the proposed agenda for September 17th, 2026, commission meeting.

2814
03:45:59,320 --> 03:46:06,820
any additions or changes, anybody else, 70 comments?

2815
03:46:08,060 --> 03:46:10,280
Okay, so do I have a motion to approve?

2816
03:46:11,140 --> 03:46:11,360
Simult.

2817
03:46:11,840 --> 03:46:12,580
Got one.

2818
03:46:12,820 --> 03:46:13,140
All right.

2819
03:46:13,680 --> 03:46:13,880
Second.

2820
03:46:14,840 --> 03:46:15,300
Okay.

2821
03:46:15,600 --> 03:46:15,940
I have a motion.

2822
03:46:16,560 --> 03:46:16,780
Second.

2823
03:46:17,140 --> 03:46:17,640
All in favor.

2824
03:46:18,520 --> 03:46:18,920
All right.

2825
03:46:18,920 --> 03:46:19,820
Any opposed?

2826
03:46:20,160 --> 03:46:20,220
Okay.

2827
03:46:20,220 --> 03:46:21,320
Motion passing unanimously.

2828
03:46:22,160 --> 03:46:22,360
Okay.

2829
03:46:22,760 --> 03:46:23,140
Great.

2830
03:46:24,400 --> 03:46:24,680
Okay.

2831
03:46:27,000 --> 03:46:27,600
So...

2832
03:46:27,600 --> 03:46:28,120
Okay.

2833
03:46:28,120 --> 03:46:31,860
Well, we lost Cleveland now, so we're going to do it.

2834
03:46:32,060 --> 03:46:33,160
We still got Rita though.

2835
03:46:33,380 --> 03:46:35,000
We still got Rita back there, so.

2836
03:46:35,460 --> 03:46:35,580
OK.

2837
03:46:36,880 --> 03:46:38,500
Commission discussion in comments.

2838
03:46:39,080 --> 03:46:40,420
Starting with Mr. ago.

2839
03:46:45,840 --> 03:46:47,260
It's got a long list.

2840
03:46:47,620 --> 03:46:49,580
I do have a long list.

2841
03:46:51,740 --> 03:46:53,400
This is new for me.

2842
03:46:54,100 --> 03:46:55,940
So bear with me.

2843
03:46:55,940 --> 03:47:05,040
If you don't mind, but it is suicide awareness month in September, and it's a time

2844
03:47:05,040 --> 03:47:12,240
to recognize that suicide is not just a statistic, I'm behind every loss as a person, a family,

2845
03:47:12,680 --> 03:47:14,460
and a community forever changed.

2846
03:47:15,040 --> 03:47:19,980
In Podemos County, we are fortunate to have organizations working every day to bring hope,

2847
03:47:20,080 --> 03:47:23,720
education, connection, and support to those who are struggling.

2848
03:47:24,500 --> 03:47:30,360
Speak up for mental health is helping break the stigma surrounding mental illness and suicide,

2849
03:47:31,120 --> 03:47:35,420
particularly among our youth by teaching that it's okay to talk about mental health

2850
03:47:35,420 --> 03:47:41,300
and okay to ask for help. Freeman Sound uses music, education, and community engagement

2851
03:47:41,300 --> 03:47:46,360
to raise awareness and provide resources for suicide prevention in mental health.

2852
03:47:46,360 --> 03:47:51,620
Team Chelsea Foundation reminds us that, behind

2853
03:47:56,930 --> 03:48:01,590
every family touched by suicide, is a story

2854
03:48:02,170 --> 03:48:09,190
of love, loss, and determination to turn that loss into hope and support for others.

2855
03:48:09,690 --> 03:48:15,310
Namely, it's now as county provides education, support, and resources for individuals and

2856
03:48:15,310 --> 03:48:17,930
families affected by mental illness.

2857
03:48:17,930 --> 03:48:26,610
The work helps remind us that mental health is health and that no one should have to navigate these challenges alone.

2858
03:48:27,370 --> 03:48:41,730
And zero suicide partners of Pinnonus brings together organizations across our community with a shared mission to end suicide in Pinnonus County to education awareness coordinated care and community partnerships.

2859
03:48:43,110 --> 03:48:48,640
These organizations demonstrate something very important.

2860
03:48:49,920 --> 03:48:52,960
Suicide prevention is a community responsibility.

2861
03:48:54,320 --> 03:48:55,640
It starts with conversation.

2862
03:48:56,600 --> 03:48:58,520
It starts with asking, are you okay?

2863
03:49:00,300 --> 03:49:02,200
It starts with listening without judgment

2864
03:49:02,200 --> 03:49:05,120
and making sure people know that asking for help

2865
03:49:05,120 --> 03:49:06,860
is a sign of strength and not weakness.

2866
03:49:06,860 --> 03:49:11,240
This September, let's commit to looking out for one another.

2867
03:49:11,840 --> 03:49:17,440
Let's speak up, reach out, make sure that no one who is struggling knows that there

2868
03:49:17,440 --> 03:49:21,140
is help, that there is hope, and there are people who care.

2869
03:49:21,960 --> 03:49:30,820
If you are someone, you know, as in crisis, call or text 98 for free, confidential support

2870
03:49:30,820 --> 03:49:32,940
available 24 hours a day.

2871
03:49:32,940 --> 03:49:41,440
Let the stand together as a community because every life matters every story matters and every person deserves hope

2872
03:49:44,520 --> 03:49:47,160
could in a thought that I have

2873
03:49:47,980 --> 03:49:53,540
To a side of wearing a spottings for everybody and I've been giving him out so now I don't have enough

2874
03:49:54,560 --> 03:49:56,020
I do a polygi

2875
03:49:57,320 --> 03:49:57,880
Mayor

2876
03:49:58,720 --> 03:49:59,800
Rob and

2877
03:50:01,880 --> 03:50:03,920
I'm sorry, ladies, I will get one.

2878
03:50:03,940 --> 03:50:05,000
We'll get you up next week.

2879
03:50:05,280 --> 03:50:06,740
And I'm sorry to show.

2880
03:50:08,780 --> 03:50:09,400
Thank you.

2881
03:50:09,860 --> 03:50:10,400
What's me?

2882
03:50:12,960 --> 03:50:13,880
Thank you, Jeff.

2883
03:50:15,800 --> 03:50:17,660
And you're absolutely right. There's way too much stigma.

2884
03:50:17,900 --> 03:50:21,720
And that's what drives people from talking more about it and being nearer.

2885
03:50:22,320 --> 03:50:24,160
And we all need to be better.

2886
03:50:24,840 --> 03:50:26,520
So, thank you.

2887
03:50:27,120 --> 03:50:29,140
Okay, final comments.

2888
03:50:29,140 --> 03:50:33,220
Let's see, we'll go to Vice-Fair next, I guess.

2889
03:50:37,680 --> 03:50:38,780
So if I'm going to get down.

2890
03:50:40,160 --> 03:50:45,980
No, I think your words were beautiful, Jeff.

2891
03:50:48,360 --> 03:50:51,920
And it takes a lot of courage.

2892
03:50:54,480 --> 03:50:58,560
And I have tremendous admiration for you,

2893
03:51:02,830 --> 03:51:02,830
sir.

2894
03:51:05,680 --> 03:51:14,570
I'm glad to be back in town for the moment and anyway, I don't really have a heck of a lot to add.

2895
03:51:15,200 --> 03:51:22,640
PSTA, we're going to be doing our first public hearing next week on the budget and the millage.

2896
03:51:23,760 --> 03:51:33,060
Same challenges, obviously, but you know, that's why they pay us the big bucks.

2897
03:51:35,020 --> 03:51:36,220
Thank you.

2898
03:51:36,220 --> 03:51:37,260
Commissioner DeGarde.

2899
03:51:39,220 --> 03:51:39,580
Thank you, Mayor.

2900
03:51:42,780 --> 03:51:44,680
We have an extraordinary city.

2901
03:51:45,960 --> 03:51:49,100
And we have an extraordinary city because we have an extraordinary team.

2902
03:51:51,340 --> 03:51:56,660
We enjoy the banter between ourselves up here only because we're very comfortable with each other.

2903
03:51:57,240 --> 03:52:03,880
And that's created by a mayor that tends to forgive freely, and we appreciate that.

2904
03:52:03,880 --> 03:52:08,420
And people who enjoy each other's company and respect each other's judgment.

2905
03:52:09,340 --> 03:52:13,220
But we also have a staff that I think is really good.

2906
03:52:13,420 --> 03:52:17,280
If you've worked with a good organization, you come to expect it.

2907
03:52:17,520 --> 03:52:20,960
But when you go out there and see some of the other systems,

2908
03:52:21,620 --> 03:52:25,140
I just happen to have flown on an airline recently.

2909
03:52:25,800 --> 03:52:29,680
And it was clear that their culture was not as positive.

2910
03:52:30,180 --> 03:52:31,600
That's the culture I see here.

2911
03:52:31,600 --> 03:52:38,720
a number of reasons for that, but I want to remind people that this staff is under a lot

2912
03:52:38,720 --> 03:52:42,820
of pressure. They don't know what's going to happen on November 3rd and they don't know

2913
03:52:42,820 --> 03:52:49,680
what they're dealing with, but they still perform with grace and with professionalism. I'm

2914
03:52:49,680 --> 03:52:55,040
very proud of them during this time. It's all I have there. Thank you, Commissioner. Thank you,

2915
03:52:55,040 --> 03:52:56,940
Mr. St. Morgan.

2916
03:52:59,040 --> 03:53:06,220
Well, when I did the proclamation for the library, I did highlight some of the interaction

2917
03:53:06,220 --> 03:53:14,220
I've had down there, and it's just dealing with these little kids to watch them smile

2918
03:53:14,220 --> 03:53:20,320
and it really makes you, you know, it's just, it's just, you really feel like you're doing

2919
03:53:20,320 --> 03:53:21,140
something for them.

2920
03:53:21,140 --> 03:53:24,140
Even if I'm reading a Dr. Seuss book, at least it

2921
03:53:24,140 --> 03:53:28,440
spend time with them, it came up about the study in fire.

2922
03:53:29,080 --> 03:53:31,160
I did last week, I spent the day with them again.

2923
03:53:31,820 --> 03:53:36,160
And if you guys want to do something that really makes people feel good.

2924
03:53:36,240 --> 03:53:41,560
I wanted all three stations with Chief Andoga met with every firemen,

2925
03:53:41,560 --> 03:53:46,310
every paramedic set, one on one with me, and good people,

2926
03:53:46,800 --> 03:53:50,140
good people when they start to relax and talk to you.

2927
03:53:50,140 --> 03:53:52,980
then they talk to you as a friend, not a commissioner,

2928
03:53:53,640 --> 03:53:57,440
but to hear what they go through, when you say,

2929
03:53:57,900 --> 03:53:59,700
so tell me about what you guys do last night,

2930
03:54:00,260 --> 03:54:01,400
and it's like, oh, let me tell them first,

2931
03:54:02,140 --> 03:54:04,440
that's really a special time.

2932
03:54:05,660 --> 03:54:09,300
Another thing is, you know, I sit on our spot

2933
03:54:09,300 --> 03:54:10,860
for the Tampa Bay Regional Planning.

2934
03:54:13,020 --> 03:54:15,940
There's a new part of it's called the comprehensive,

2935
03:54:15,940 --> 03:54:22,500
I have the comprehensive economic development strategy committee and I was fortunate enough

2936
03:54:22,500 --> 03:54:27,620
to be selected to be on that and I got a lot of studying to do in the next few days,

2937
03:54:27,820 --> 03:54:34,360
a lot of reading and but again I, you know, because I've done even has a seat and I feel

2938
03:54:34,900 --> 03:54:40,320
so honored and privileged to be there to represent the city and can't say enough good.

2939
03:54:40,320 --> 03:54:46,520
We put in a lot of hours and you know we all we all get beat up and it's time

2940
03:54:46,520 --> 03:54:50,080
times you know like Tom had just said and you know we're back together and

2941
03:54:50,080 --> 03:54:54,860
be able to banter sometimes only we understand what we're going through and what's

2942
03:54:54,860 --> 03:54:59,960
being said so I appreciate we're back together was a long time we were up

2943
03:55:03,020 --> 03:55:14,080
Thank you. Thank you, Jeff. I admire you to take courage and passion in which you have both. So, you know,

2944
03:55:14,080 --> 03:55:20,120
part of what makes the need special. I would say that we don't do mental health

2945
03:55:20,120 --> 03:55:26,380
information that I recall. No, we need to do that. And now we need to, I think it was

2946
03:55:26,380 --> 03:55:32,160
commissioner kinds, vice mayor kinds that at one time, you know, again, learning a little

2947
03:55:32,160 --> 03:55:37,040
bit more about our county and mental health specifically in our city. I think it's

2948
03:55:37,040 --> 03:55:42,020
important. I think we can shed some light on some things as well. You know, people just,

2949
03:55:42,620 --> 03:55:46,940
you know, you're talking and then I'm looking at this thing that we all got. We all got one

2950
03:55:46,940 --> 03:55:55,760
and this is something our fire union did and it's a teddy bear pink and it's holding the

2951
03:55:55,760 --> 03:56:03,000
Dunning fire department logo and it was they did it as a way to I think that reason money I don't know

2952
03:56:03,000 --> 03:56:09,300
But they did it because one of our firefighters lost by drowning is to your whole daughter

2953
03:56:09,300 --> 03:56:11,320
Two years old, was she too?

2954
03:56:11,320 --> 03:56:11,780
Yes.

2955
03:56:12,380 --> 03:56:14,400
And some of us went to the service.

2956
03:56:14,700 --> 03:56:16,180
It was that as thing I'd ever seen.

2957
03:56:17,480 --> 03:56:19,080
But, you know, got to be there.

2958
03:56:19,420 --> 03:56:20,240
Life is tough.

2959
03:56:20,780 --> 03:56:23,380
And life is not fair all the time, so.

2960
03:56:24,840 --> 03:56:32,400
So, also I just want to make sure we're constantly putting out there right now about the tax forum on,

2961
03:56:32,940 --> 03:56:36,840
on September 15th, which also be one on October 6th,

2962
03:56:36,840 --> 03:56:40,640
and that's to help educate on the effects of amendment three.

2963
03:56:41,160 --> 03:56:43,360
And I know our first one will be myself,

2964
03:56:43,880 --> 03:56:46,460
Sheriff Calteary, will be here for the whole night.

2965
03:56:46,900 --> 03:56:48,740
And he'll be actually at both of them.

2966
03:56:48,900 --> 03:56:51,980
And then also former Senator Jeff Brandes

2967
03:56:52,640 --> 03:56:56,480
who he was a Senator Republicans Senator at the state level.

2968
03:56:56,520 --> 03:56:59,000
And now he runs nonpartisan think tank.

2969
03:56:59,000 --> 03:57:00,200
So he'll be here.

2970
03:57:00,840 --> 03:57:03,460
So I think that we're going to have it at the health center.

2971
03:57:03,760 --> 03:57:06,580
So we can provide lots of space for lots of people.

2972
03:57:06,580 --> 03:57:11,940
it's a really important issue and number one, our job is just to educate and then everybody goes

2973
03:57:11,940 --> 03:57:12,460
to vote.

2974
03:57:12,580 --> 03:57:14,020
They're big as to vote what they feel.

2975
03:57:15,620 --> 03:57:22,600
So, and then on a lighter note, I did want to add that today in the afternoon, our Toronto

2976
03:57:22,600 --> 03:57:28,860
Blue Jays beat the Cleveland Guardians and their half-game away from getting that third

2977
03:57:28,860 --> 03:57:29,740
wild-guards spot.

2978
03:57:29,740 --> 03:57:33,220
So the Tampa Bay race could have helped them

2979
03:57:33,220 --> 03:57:35,860
but right now they're losing by four and nothing.

2980
03:57:36,780 --> 03:57:40,300
So that's not good but anyway, keep going, keep going,

2981
03:57:40,860 --> 03:57:43,160
chase, and that's all I am.

2982
03:57:44,160 --> 03:57:45,940
So city clerk update.

2983
03:57:46,340 --> 03:57:47,760
Nothing need a report, Mayor.

2984
03:57:48,100 --> 03:57:49,180
City manager update.

2985
03:57:49,920 --> 03:57:50,580
Yeah, thank you, Mayor.

2986
03:57:50,960 --> 03:57:55,160
So I just wanted to make you aware that some of the retail

2987
03:57:55,760 --> 03:57:58,240
establishments reached out to staff and requested

2988
03:57:58,240 --> 03:58:02,840
that we do a limited sidewalk sale for them in September.

2989
03:58:03,740 --> 03:58:05,700
As you know, sidewalk sales are prohibited in our code,

2990
03:58:06,040 --> 03:58:09,600
and two years ago, we actually permitted a sidewalk sale.

2991
03:58:09,980 --> 03:58:12,840
It would occur for a few hours, perhaps the Saturday

2992
03:58:12,840 --> 03:58:15,260
and the Sunday citywide.

2993
03:58:16,320 --> 03:58:18,700
But we don't have the dates, we don't have the hours.

2994
03:58:18,700 --> 03:58:21,080
It will be very limited, but I just wanted to let you know

2995
03:58:21,080 --> 03:58:23,860
because I know that September is a small, usually small business

2996
03:58:23,860 --> 03:58:27,260
month, and so they want to take advantage of that.

2997
03:58:28,760 --> 03:58:29,360
Thank you, Mayor.

2998
03:58:29,360 --> 03:58:31,000
I have one question.

2999
03:58:31,380 --> 03:58:32,180
We repark.

3000
03:58:33,500 --> 03:58:36,480
So Facebook does what Facebook does and you can start

3001
03:58:36,480 --> 03:58:38,040
going on about we repark peer.

3002
03:58:38,880 --> 03:58:41,420
And I know that the cost is like $600,000.

3003
03:58:42,100 --> 03:58:42,960
But what is the plan?

3004
03:58:43,860 --> 03:58:46,780
Is there money coming from FEMA for that?

3005
03:58:47,080 --> 03:58:48,980
Or what's the

3006
03:58:51,480 --> 03:58:52,420
glad you stayed Tony?

3007
03:58:55,880 --> 03:58:56,660
Thanks, Mayor.

3008
03:58:57,600 --> 03:59:00,540
The park does have funding set aside

3009
03:59:00,540 --> 03:59:02,660
and it is for FEMA reimbursement.

3010
03:59:02,660 --> 03:59:08,220
So that's kind of, with the crux of the steps that we have to go through, we had a couple

3011
03:59:08,220 --> 03:59:13,000
of different ideas on how to move forward and our advisors have advised us that we have to

3012
03:59:13,000 --> 03:59:17,080
go through it more formal process and we're going to probably hit some of the same snacks

3013
03:59:17,080 --> 03:59:18,760
that we hit with the fishing period.

3014
03:59:19,660 --> 03:59:22,480
But it is in process to best we can control it.

3015
03:59:22,640 --> 03:59:23,040
Okay, great.

3016
03:59:23,440 --> 03:59:24,820
Okay, I appreciate that.

3017
03:59:25,360 --> 03:59:28,560
And looking at the hour, so it's a journey update.

3018
03:59:29,720 --> 03:59:31,820
Okay, anybody else, have anything else?

3019
03:59:32,440 --> 03:59:34,080
Okay, this meeting is adjourned.