[0:12] session of December 17th, 2005 at 6 p.m.
Um, everyone is here except for Ed
[0:20] McGuire who is excused.
Uh, will you join me in the pledge of
[0:26] allegiance?
[0:33] I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic
[0:39] for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:44] justice for all.
[0:49] » Thank you.
[0:53] [clears throat]
I need consideration of the agenda.
[0:58] I'll make a motion to approve the
agenda.
[1:03] » Thank you. All in favor?
>> I.
[1:06] » Thank you. We need uh consideration of
the cons
[1:12] consent agenda.
>> Do we want to vote?
[1:16] » Oh, [snorts] I said all in favor.
>> Oh, okay. I'm sorry.
[1:19] » They all said I.
>> Okay. I guess I'm [clears throat]
[1:21] behind.
>> Um, sorry about that.
[1:24] » I should wait for you.
We'll make a motion to approve the
[1:27] consent agenda.
>> I need a motion to approve.
[1:30] » Second.
[1:35] » All in favor?
>> I
[1:39] so approved.
Okay. Um announcements, please.
[1:47] » Yes, a couple. Um so Dire Way, um I did
um hear from the county and they have
[1:53] gotten some permits. So, I'm thinking
that means that they're going to be
[1:56] starting that pro project hopefully
sometime very soon. So, um and then two,
[2:02] I know that Larry's already kind of
talked about it, but the weather, I
[2:06] guess we're expecting a pretty nasty
storm, so make sure that um expecting
[2:11] high winds and lots of flooding. So,
something to be aware of for people. And
[2:15] then the last thing that I wanted to
bring up was um we did hear back from
[2:19] the Oregon water department on our
permit amendment and um they have a
[2:26] laundry list of things that they want us
to do now. So I am working on that um
[2:31] right now.
>> Okay. Can I ask a question? Refresh my
[2:35] memory. What a dire way project. What is
that? There is probably Rich can explain
[2:42] that probably better than I can, but
>> there's a culvert that has uh broken out
[2:47] underneath the road that's had played
over it for 2 years.
[2:49] » Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. All right.
>> They were fighting over whether it was
[2:53] county or private and has agreed to fix
it now.
[2:57] » Oh, cool.
>> And it's been determined for well over a
[3:00] year that it was the county and they
took responsibility that it took them
[3:04] that long to get to fixing it.
>> And where's Dy? Is that the one that's
[3:08] just uh west of your place?
>> Just a
[3:10] » steel plays. Yes, that's okay. I know
where that is. Okay, thanks. [snorts]
[3:14] » Oh, that's good.
>> And then you after it's all fixed after
[3:20] then it's going to be back to
>> I think it's be private. Yeah,
[3:25] » it it'll be in Dune City, but it'll be
accepted as part of the city, but the
[3:30] residents
will take care of the actual
[3:34] » the maintenance
>> actually be a Dune City road, but it
[3:36] will be a private road.
>> Okay. [clears throat] Okay. Thank you.
[3:41] » And the entrance is actually being moved
from where it is, correct?
[3:44] » Slightly.
>> Yes, it's moving an angle
[3:48] away.
Okay.
[3:52] Thank you for that. Anything else, Laya?
No, that's it.
[3:55] » Okay. Um, Susan input.
Linda,
[4:02] you have anything?
>> I'm ready. Didn't think it'd be first
[4:05] thing, but I'm ready.
And do I just speak from right here?
[4:10] » Yes, I have three minutes.
>> Okay. All right. Good evening, council
[4:14] members. Me and my husband have owned
property here since 1999. We chose to
[4:18] purchase in this area because of its
beauty and tranquility. However, the
[4:22] motto Dune City is a good place to live
no longer applies to us. A house across
[4:27] from us at 5175 Russell Drive has been
operating as a short-term rental shortly
[4:31] after it was built. Initially advertised
as sleeping 14, it is a six-bedroom,
[4:36] five- bath home that has repeatedly
attracted large groups, sometimes in
[4:39] excess of 24 overnight guests. We have
eight full-time residents on our street,
[4:44] so this in effect can quadruple the size
of our neighborhood overnight.
[4:48] This property has become a nuisance and
has greatly affected the tranquility of
[4:52] our neighborhood. Problems related to
this property have been increased
[4:55] traffic, excessive noise, loud parties,
trash, dogs defecating on neighbors
[5:00] lawn, and even a human defecating on the
lawn, but at least in this case, it was
[5:04] on the lawn that she was renting. At
least six neighbors have submitted
[5:08] complaints about this property, yet only
one has been deemed valid. Changes in
[5:12] the complaint process have made it more
difficult for residents concerns to be
[5:15] addressed. Despite this, Igor, your
compliance officer, does an amazing job,
[5:19] and I cannot thank him enough because
he's just excellent. However, many of us
[5:24] are wondering if we are fighting a
battle that can't be won. This was
[5:27] reinforced when property manager Jim
Donahghue told neighbor Guy Tough that
[5:31] complaining to Dune City was a waste of
time, adding that no rental permit will
[5:35] ever be revoked by Dune City because the
city relies on the income.
[5:40] When Jim has been contacted with
concern, he largely ignores them. When
[5:44] he does reply, Jim's messages to two of
us was to quit harassing him. He hung up
[5:49] on another neighbor who called to report
trespassing. When several of us
[5:53] contacted him about the large group on
roadie days, he said he would go over
[5:56] and talk to them, but never did. I have
included the owners in some
[6:00] communications and no reply was ever
received from them. Jim Donahghue, as
[6:05] well as the property owners, have made
it abundantly clear that they have no
[6:08] interest or need to address our
concerns.
[6:12] This year, four lots were purchased in
our neighborhood by existing residents
[6:15] and for the sole purpose of making sure
that we would have another person come
[6:19] in, build a house, and turn it into a
short-term rental.
[6:24] When someone applies to Dune City for a
short-term rental permit, it states that
[6:27] the CCNRs must be submitted with the
application. Our CCNRs state that no
[6:32] business is allowed in our development,
which seems to have been ignored.
[6:36] An employee of DC explained that
short-term rentals are not recognized as
[6:39] a business. And when I replied that the
BBB and IRS view them as a business, I
[6:44] was told that it would be a good
question for a lawyer. I don't want to
[6:47] go that route, but have already reached
out to an attorney out of desperation.
[6:52] I am asking you for a system that
protects permanent residents. Part of
[6:56] which could be or part of which would be
to create a process that includes
[7:00] gathering neighborhood import input
sorry before renewing a short-term
[7:05] permit plus evaluating certain things
such as the size of the rental in
[7:09] relationship to the neighborhood, the
complaints against the property, the
[7:13] owner property manager compliance in
regards to complaints,
[7:17] etc. Please do not renew permits to
these problematic properties who have
[7:23] shown no effort to be a good neighbor
and who have made Dune City not a good
[7:27] place to live. Thank you for your time
and consideration.
[7:31] » Thank you,
>> Geneva.
[7:35] » I didn't come with anything, but I would
like to support what she's saying. I uh
[7:40] I can recall when decision was being
made about how many uh short-term
[7:46] rentals would be allowed and some of the
and the and the details of it. And I'm
[7:51] not confident I was real certain it's
going to protect people and I think we
[7:56] need to be looking through short-term
rental situation again. And I thought
[8:00] that before. So anyway, um whatever we
can do to help this woman because it's
[8:06] next time is going to be my turn. My
sister lives with lives with that
[8:09] problem right now. The one
>> Thank you,
[8:12] » Genie.
>> Um, yes, I I concur with Geneva and
[8:16] thank you very much for raising the
issue. It's been an ongoing issue
[8:20] despite the fact that people don't
really want short-term rentals. We
[8:24] understand you're relying on them to
stay alive, but it it isn't good for a
[8:29] lot of people live in the community. I
suppose it's great for the people with
[8:32] the short-term rentals because they're
just out to make money. and the city
[8:36] sees it the same way for those of us who
live next to one who have to deal with
[8:40] the issues evolving from them. And
you're right, there just isn't a good
[8:44] form of enforcement. And I believe that,
you know, people are trying hard. I
[8:49] think you trying hard. It just is uh
people aren't honest and that's the
[8:55] problem. I know you go and try to
address things with them and are they
[8:58] even honest when they fill out their
form? How many of them have a short-term
[9:01] rental that aren't even reporting it to
the city?
[9:05] Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[9:07] Okay, on to reports. Mayor report says I
have it and I don't. So, [laughter]
[9:15] no mayor report tonight. Um, the permit
report is in your packet.
[9:20] You u
anyone have any questions that Pam's
[9:26] here need to address anything?
[9:38] I appreciate the year end summary.
>> Yeah, I thought that was nice.
[9:47] Okay, with that we'll go on to code
enforcement report. We do have the code
[9:52] enforcement report in here.
[10:12] not hearing anything.
Um,
[10:16] » could I just add something at this point
to the code enforcement? Do we have any
[10:21] process where we get anything from law
enforcement when
[10:26] um there's some kind of an action within
the city boundaries
[10:31] uh visa be crime or burglaries or
anything like that. Do we have anything
[10:35] like that that inter interfaces with
code enforcement at all?
[10:39] » Not that I know of.
>> Okay. Because I've seen some things on
[10:43] Facebook where uh people had cams on
their house cameras and there were
[10:50] people walking up and down their
driveway checking car doors and stuff
[10:55] like that. Um, so I don't know if that's
something we can look at.
[11:00] » Well, that's something they should um
give that information to um the
[11:05] sheriff's department, right?
>> Where they can do a report, but
[11:08] » is there any way we can interface with
that to get an idea if there's areas of
[11:12] our community that we need to kind of
have a neighborhood watch for?
[11:15] » I think all neighborhoods should have a
neighborhood watch.
[11:17] » Oh, sure. I agree with that, too. Yeah.
But I was just curious if we had
[11:21] anything yet because
>> we we are not organizing neighborhoods
[11:24] watch because most the neighborhoods
have done self organization,
[11:28] » right?
>> Okay. Thank you.
[11:33] » There's no executive session.
So, um, for the good of the order,
[11:42] Duke.
[11:45] » Yeah, I have a couple things. First
thing, I'd like to revisit this Russell
[11:49] Drive problem. I personally have never
been a fan of the
[11:53] short-term rentals
in the residential areas. I've seen what
[11:58] it's done. I've been in Dune City for
over 40 years. My neighborhood, we used
[12:02] to have children and families with
children. Now we they can't afford to
[12:06] live there. So, it's all
older folks or short-term rentals. And
[12:14] I've experienced the same thing that
you've done a couple years ago when I
[12:17] was on the council. I was right in the
middle of a big problem that was down on
[12:22] cloud9 and worked with the property
owners on that and I seen firsthand how
[12:28] people were treating those and the
overflow for septic is what was a big
[12:34] concern then. Too many people in the
house.
[12:38] But we have I believe we have to worry
about our citizens first over business
[12:46] opportunities for somebody running a
short-term rental. I I I I've never been
[12:52] for them. Uh I think they take away from
Dune City. As far as as far as us being
[12:57] dependent on the funds from that, that's
that's not real viable. We have other
[13:03] ways that we're getting most of our
money that doesn't come from short-term
[13:07] rentals. So,
>> so with that said, do do would you like
[13:11] to revisit the short-term rental
ordinance?
[13:14] » Yeah, I would.
>> Okay. So, I will Laya, would you please
[13:17] put that for a upcoming council meeting?
We'll revisit the short-term rental.
[13:21] » I I'd also like to get some information
from you
[13:25] » before you get out of here.
>> Okay. The other thing is on a nicer
[13:30] note,
I would like to thank the city staff for
[13:34] the
potluck Christmas dinner. It was very
[13:38] nice. I don't think there were too many
empty seats. It seemed like it was a
[13:42] pretty good crowd. A lot of good food,
great dessert. I learned how to play,
[13:46] you know, with a couple Mormon boys.
That was interesting.
[13:52] Um, the other thing I'd like to bring up
is we didn't do it all the time, but in
[13:59] the past we've recognized staff for the
good job they've done all year long come
[14:05] Christmas time. And uh, I'd like to make
a motion that we
[14:11] do something for them. Maybe a $50 thank
you or I'm not sure how that would be
[14:17] taken care of, but do something for for
the staff. I think they've done a great
[14:21] job. That's it.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[14:28] Um,
[14:31] » can we talk about that now or do we need
to
[14:38] » get order? I don't know that we can
>> was done in the past.
[14:42] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[14:44] » Yeah.
>> We're we're still on an open session. I
[14:46] just wanted to make sure that um
>> we're not I'm just double checking
[14:50] everything.
>> Um so, does anyone else uh want to um
[14:55] second the motion to give Christmas
bonuses?
[14:59] » I'll second that.
>> Great.
[15:02] Um
any a you have a dollar amount or what
[15:07] Duke said?
>> I think he said $50. I think that's an
[15:11] appropriate number and I second that
motion as he made it.
[15:14] » Okay. So, a motion was made by Duke,
seconded by Larry.
[15:20] Um, all in favor.
>> Any [clears throat] opposed?
[15:26] » Abstain. I don't think it's legal, so
I'm not voting on it.
[15:32] » Not to.
>> Okay. So, why don't we add to that
[15:36] motion that once we check to see if it's
a legal thing to do? Mhm.
[15:42] » I think it might be within the gift
aotment.
[15:46] » I don't believe it's legal, but I could
be wrong.
[15:49] » That's okay.
>> Um, so we will put a caveat on that. Can
[15:55] we uh check with council to make sure
it's the appropriate thing to do?
[15:58] » Yeah, for sure.
>> Um, so thank you. And, uh, if it's
[16:04] legal, motion passes.
>> Sounds good.
[16:11] I too would like to revisit the short
term. I I have always been one to one
[16:18] great place to live. Two, those are
money income making. Those are
[16:23] businesses. Um I do not feel that Dune
City needs to generate funds from
[16:29] short-term rentals. That's not what
we're about. Our thing is is to do
[16:33] diligence to our citizens and our people
of this town. Um I have from the get-go
[16:38] not for short-term rentals. So, I am I'm
definitely with Duke and bringing that
[16:43] back toward the table and
discussing either reducing the amount
[16:48] significantly or getting rid of them all
together.
[16:52] » Thank you.
>> We can't really do that because of the
[16:54] city.
>> Well, we definitely need to talk about
[16:57] something then because that's
>> I'm not going to have my I'm not going
[17:01] to have my, you know, stepping down from
here. I'm not going to have my place
[17:04] where I reside taken over by people.
There's no way if we continue to have
[17:10] our town bought out by short-term
rentals, we're not going to regenerate.
[17:14] » I know.
>> No.
[17:16] » Or we're we're going to be gone. We're
not going to be Dun City anymore. We're
[17:18] going to be like, "Oh, great place to
live." Well, Argin are going to be, "Oh,
[17:22] those are vacation rental. It's a
vacation rental town."
[17:25] » Yeah.
>> I don't want Dun City to be gone.
[17:27] » 100%.
>> So then, you know,
[17:30] » Okay. You want to jump in here for with
that, Larry?
[17:33] » What do you mean?
>> You're next. Well, uh, I was going to
[17:36] make a motion also, uh, council to
revisit the short-term rental ordinance.
[17:41] I think there's a lot of issues that we
need to resolve. And I notice, uh,
[17:45] candidly, having traveled all over the
place, that a lot of communities,
[17:50] states, counties, everywhere, they are
revisiting short-term rentals. And for
[17:55] the very reasons that Duke mentioned,
you know, it reduces housing stock. It
[17:59] it, you know, it changes the dynamic of
affordability for families with
[18:03] children. or even seniors.
>> Yeah.
[18:06] » And um you know, I I live over on Cloud9
and there's one um short-term rental
[18:13] which Duke is familiar with, but there's
a lot of houses that are just empty
[18:20] » cuz they're vacation homes.
>> They're vacation homes, right? And so
[18:23] it's like I would like to see as much
neighborhood as possible. I like to meet
[18:28] my neighbors and and talk to them when
they're out and about. And I think
[18:32] having more neighbors is a good thing
who have an invested interest in
[18:36] watching my house and I'm watching
theirs and that sort of thing.
[18:39] » The other thing I'm concerned about is
that as a city um I think that anytime
[18:44] we do something of such import whether
it's a planning action or short-term
[18:49] rental type ordinance if it's going to
affect our community citizens and
[18:53] neighbors and residents that we need to
give them adequate notice. And what does
[18:57] that notice look like? It means that we
notify them in advance by mail or email
[19:02] or something we can do so that they know
that there's a question that could come
[19:06] up before the council and they can come
like they did this evening and give
[19:10] their input be here to give their input
so that we have the benefit of their
[19:13] advice and counsel because if if it were
my neighborhood and that we were going
[19:17] to have a short-term rental added next
door and I was told well it was on the
[19:23] website. I'm sorry. I don't check the
Dune City website once a week to see if
[19:26] there's something adverse coming to my
neighborhood. I don't uh look in the
[19:31] newspaper for posts from the Dune City
that there's an ordinance being
[19:35] considered. What I want is what I
typically get in Florence for my
[19:39] [clears throat] business. I get a letter
saying, "By the way, this action's
[19:41] coming forward in your neighborhood. It
might be vegetation removal. It might be
[19:45] road work. It might be power line work.
It might be a development. Whatever it
[19:48] is, I'd like us to completely revisit
what it means to give notice to our
[19:53] residents because I want them to feel
heard. I want them to have an
[19:57] opportunity to feel like they are part
of the process here. So, I totally
[20:01] endorse the idea that we would revisit
this. But as part of that, I want to see
[20:05] us revisit what notice means, effective
notice. And my second item is thank you
[20:11] again, staff, for a lovely day. That
Christmas was awesome.
[20:16] And I will make one third point. If it's
not legal to pay the bonuses, I will
[20:22] contribute the money for the bonuses,
but you're going to get bonuses one way
[20:25] or the other. Okay, [laughter]
that's all I have.
[20:30] » Chris,
>> yeah. Um, whether we revisit it, sounds
[20:33] like we're going to that's six-month
process. Like, that's not quick. It took
[20:37] us six months to get through it last
time. So, that's not going to solve the
[20:41] immediate issue. We we put a process in
place to deal with offending properties.
[20:47] So I would ask the staff to compile, you
know, a summary of this property in
[20:51] particular so that we can give some
special attention to that one.
[20:55] » He already has that. We have that ready.
>> Yeah. So we'll we'll execute the process
[21:00] we have for this property. Um hopefully
to get an immediate solution.
[21:06] » Yeah.
>> Thank you.
[21:09] » Are you done, Chris?
>> Yes. Okay, Rich,
[21:12] » you know, uh, we just implemented that
process
[21:16] » not 6 months ago.
>> And if people felt that way, why did we
[21:20] just waste the time of the whole staff
and the council and all the dollars that
[21:27] the efforts that were put in, why wasn't
it just turned down to start with?
[21:32] » Because just about everybody that was
here was on that and passed that. So, we
[21:37] should have not wasted our time. That's
all I got.
[21:41] » It was an issue though, Rich. You know,
and it had I think what's happened is is
[21:45] now that we've had it and we seen I feel
the abuse by the people that are running
[21:50] these things, how hard they are to get a
hold of, you know, over here that's
[21:54] called this bone here. But it
personally, I've seen it coming before
[21:58] we did that and I've never been for it.
I'm on record.
[22:02] » I I got a question, Eigor.
>> Yes. Um have have we had report from
[22:07] this?
>> Yes.
[22:08] » Let me report
on Russell Donates.
[22:13] » Has it been going through the process?
>> Yes.
[22:15] » And has it been working?
[22:19] » Well, if the process is based on
following the rules in the SDR
[22:23] ordinance,
>> okay, then that's that's what was
[22:25] created and that's what's working. But
it it's just we we just wasted I don't
[22:31] know how many hours if we're going to
revisit to just shut it down. But it's
[22:36] neither here or there. That's just why
>> I don't think it's to shut it down. I
[22:39] think what just what I said I
>> Well, that's that's what I'm getting
[22:42] here. They shut it down.
>> I think we need to revisit it.
[22:46] » We see the flaws in it.
>> We see there's flaws in it that we
[22:50] didn't know about before we said okay go
along with it.
[22:56] My suggestion is also is that okay you
have a new ordinance
[22:59] » and you have it in place for a while and
now we have experience with it. Also
[23:04] Duke and I were not on this council at
that time
[23:07] » and so two of us weren't here. We don't
know how it came about or how it was
[23:12] voted in and that sort of thing. I'm a
relatively new resident just in the last
[23:16] two years.
>> So my view is it's it's timely for us to
[23:20] revisit it. We respect what was invested
before, but
[23:24] » we don't we don't take that as
as an investment that is not
[23:30] retractable. Yes, it was an effort. It
was made in good faith. We came up with
[23:34] with the best ordinance we could. Maybe
it's not working for us. So now it's
[23:37] time to revisit and take a look at it.
>> And it doesn't even last year. Maybe
[23:41] not.
>> But here's the thing, Rich. Everything's
[23:44] a trial and error.
>> A year.
[23:46] » The first one lasted a year, two years.
and and just
[23:49] » but everybody put their two cents in. I
put my two cents in. I just think it was
[23:52] a waste of time. That's all I'm saying.
>> I don't think it was a waste of time,
[23:56] Richard.
>> It's a learning basis that we have to
[23:59] do.
>> I don't think it's I don't feel And I'm
[24:00] not even saying get rid of it, but the
main thing I think we need is have more
[24:04] teeth in it, especially to the people
running these things.
[24:08] » That's that's what I think.
>> It just doesn't seem like that the folks
[24:13] that are running this pay any attention
to what they just give you. Yeah. Okay.
[24:17] right? We'll take care of it and they
move on because nothing really is
[24:21] happening to them. I think if we did
take and and uh uh pull some licenses
[24:28] from people that are repeat and getting
complaints on maybe then the rest of
[24:31] them would pay attention a little bit.
>> Did did we not get uh D or the one on
[24:35] cloud9 taken care of?
>> We did.
[24:37] » Well, I live on cloud
>> the process work. Yeah, I can I can live
[24:41] on cloud and I think based on my
observation, I don't know what the
[24:45] billings are, what the revenue is, but
based on my observation,
[24:48] » the number of times that it's rented is
very few,
[24:51] » but I can say the people who have rented
it have been very respectful.
[24:55] » So, my experience and whatever whatever
Duke did, it it wasn't respectful before
[25:01] at all.
>> No,
[25:03] » at all.
>> So, so the process did work. Well,
[25:08] there was a lot going on behind the
scenes that wasn't
[25:11] » kosher with city council.
>> Yeah, I'm just saying you got
[25:16] » you had a complete change of people
in city.
[25:20] » I had two other houses in my
neighborhood that are kind of in some
[25:23] state of rehabilitation. I don't even
know what's going on there. And I
[25:28] suspect that one where an old lady
passed away and her kids are fixing. I I
[25:33] suspect that's going to be a new Airbnb
someday and it's right next to my house.
[25:38] » So,
>> well, it it can't be unless they get
[25:41] approved.
>> I understand. I understand. So, that's
[25:43] why I'm interested in revisiting it.
It's personal, but it's also for these
[25:47] community members that want to to be
heard. And so, let's look at it again. I
[25:51] » I don't care get revenue. It just gives
me more money.
[25:54] » All right. Yeah. [laughter] It's all
sent over to Darl.
[26:00] You know, you can keep the same amount
that we have right now. My my my thought
[26:04] is just enforcement. Put some teeth on
on what we have on the books. Some real
[26:08] teeth.
>> I think there's some real teeth.
[26:13] » Evidently not.
>> Okay. Well, this is not the time we'll
[26:17] discuss it when we we get the ordinance
out. There's no need for arguments
[26:22] before Christmas. [laughter]
[26:26] » We all are very invested in the time. We
are all very invested.
[26:30] » I thought that we had put some real
teeth in it. So,
[26:33] » so I just want to say I do understand
some of the things. There were things
[26:36] put in it that I disagreed with and I
got overruled by the council. So, I just
[26:42] want to I have no problem revisiting
this. Um, but everyone needs to be able
[26:49] to state their opinion and no one needs
to make anybody feel bad for their
[26:52] opinion.
>> That's right. It's correct.
[26:54] » It's
>> I could get
[26:57] less.
>> So, and
[26:59] » question on that though. So, we were
planning on doing how soon I guess is
[27:04] the question. I mean, is this something
we want to start first of January or
[27:08] » I think part of it has to be redo finish
redoing what a business is
[27:14] » before we do the STRs because we have to
change because it's not a business
[27:20] according to our ordinance. So, if we
wanted a business, we need to redo
[27:25] businesses before we redo the STR.
>> That's good advice.
[27:28] » Yeah.
>> And for the audience's benefit, you
[27:30] might tell them that we're currently
reviewing reviewing that statute that
[27:35] the business code
>> you just told them. So, that's great,
[27:38] Larry.
>> Oh, there you are. [laughter]
[27:40] » Can I say one more thing?
>> Yes.
[27:43] » Part of the problem is
people that have the short-term rentals
[27:48] don't have 100% control when they live
out of state. Mhm.
[27:51] » They rely on their property managers.
>> And we are having trouble with a couple
[27:55] property managers.
>> That's where our problems lie.
[27:59] » Then you shut them down.
>> There's nothing in the ordinance for a
[28:04] bad property manager unless he has
>> Well, if they're not if they're not
[28:08] complying in the non-compliance portion
of that allows you to shut them down,
[28:12] » right? But they have to have three valid
complaints. Let's do that. Rich, that
[28:17] might be our whole review to do that and
agree just what you said right there. If
[28:21] they're out of compliance,
>> it's already in there.
[28:24] » Well, it's in there, but we have folks
sitting here that aren't too happy about
[28:27] how it's going.
>> Okay. I'm not saying that they're not.
[28:29] I'm saying what is there? There's three
times that they have to go through
[28:33] before they get shut down.
>> So, the third time they get shut down.
[28:36] » Valid complaints.
>> Valid complaints.
[28:39] » Okay.
>> Yeah.
[28:40] » So, it was it was put in there.
>> So, okay. This will be a good discussion
[28:47] when we bring it up again after we do
the business license because it won't do
[28:51] any good unless the business license
definition is changed.
[28:55] » Right.
>> So, um, very good. And I want to say
[28:59] thank you to the staff. You've been
wonderful. The potluck was awesome. And
[29:04] I want to wish not only staff but all
the residents merry Christmas and uh
[29:10] we'll uh have a good new year and we'll
start 2026
[29:14] with all these issues.
>> So good.
[29:17] » Uh thank you all. Uh do I have a motion
to adjourn?
[29:22] » Might I just say one thing?
>> Nope.
[29:26] » I wanted to thank you too for the
[laughter] wonderful Christmas event.
[29:30] You all went out to a lot of effort and
really appreciated it. It was
[29:34] » Thank you, J.
>> All right, so do I. Motion to adjurnn.
[29:39] » Motion to adjurnn. Second.
>> All right, Rich and Chris.
[29:45] » Thank you very much. All in favor? I
>> Any opposed?
[29:51] We're adjourned at 6:30.