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Good evening. We'll call this meeting to
order. The August 19th, 2026 city

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council meeting at 6 p.m. Uh,
first we have roll call. I know that

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Melissa will not be here tonight and we
have two from Snow online. Everyone else

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is present in person. Um, please join me
for the pledge of allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all. Thank you. [clears throat]

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» Okay. First item or next item, I guess,
item four is consideration of the

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agenda. And before we talk about the
rest of the agenda, [clears throat] uh

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because Melissa couldn't be here, she
sent James and I uh a memo or a letter

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and said we can read this um on her
behalf. I have an unexpected meeting

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tonight. I cannot be excused from. I
have a request regarding the letter

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received from Lisa Walter Setillac
regarding water in the Lil Wing

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subdivision in Li my absence tonight.
Please read the following statement into

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the record when the counselors are asked
about agenda item number four being the

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uh consideration of the agenda. I
Councilman Stinson would like to propose

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a motion to amend tonight's agenda. I
would like to amend the agenda to

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include a section responding to a
citizen concern letter received. This

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request is followed by a request for
review of current water access points

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for existing homes and [clears throat]
homes in process in addition to a

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placement of a moratorum for any further
granted water access permissions in the

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little globe subdivision to ensure
compliance with Oregon health

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authorities requirement for safe water
use and reporting. I am requesting this

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amendment to the agenda and moratorum to
be placed so that additional time can be

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completed or additional time for
complete review of existing houses that

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have been granted water access. In
addition to review

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or to review the current systems that
have been reported as finalized by Dune

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City, ensuring that the developer has
completed all steps to ensure compliance

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within the
uh OA water system management program

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for OR 333-061-0061.

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So, we got this this morning. James and
I did just a little bit of research and

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um I'm not sure if if uh adding it to
the agenda would be effective tonight

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because we've got some investigation to
do. But more importantly, you have a

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meeting on Monday,
>> Monday little Inc. uh community and or

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members of it and our attorney from
Elcott.

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» Okay.
>> Concerning that same issue.

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» Okay. So, we we have a little bit of
preliminary information from the

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attorney and it it's probably not timely
for us to try to do anything tonight

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without
>> the rest of the story.

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» Can I make a motion that we have this
after the investigation that um our city

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manager is doing that we place this on
the agenda of the very next meeting?

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» I think that would be the best and then
and then depending on what comes out of

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that he can make a report that we should
take action or we shouldn't we should do

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something else. And so, yes, I think
that would be appropriate. We'll we'll

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put that following uh the first meeting
of September. Um I'm presuming

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everything occurs on Monday
>> and and I would suggest that we sloww

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walk any new requests.
>> Okay.

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» So the period
>> the other part of that uh so I checked

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there are only two lots uh that are
owned by the developer and lot one lot

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and two I believe lot one do I
understand that correct m and lot one

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has a house under construction. uh
pulled that permit April of this year.

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So there's Jerry [clears throat] Debry
was the original developer. He owns two

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parcels. One has a house under
construction. So there's not a lot of

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action that's going to happen, but yeah,
we can have that discussion uh depending

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on how the the attorneys the meeting
goes and we'll come back with with

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information.
>> Sounds good.

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» All right.
Thank you. Um,

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so having had that discussion, I think
we will not change this agenda unless

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there's something else, but we'll be
prepared hopefully certain weeks of the

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I think it's [clears throat] September
3rd.

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» Now, that takes us to consideration of
the rest of the agenda. Do any of you

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have suggestions for revision?
>> I have a revision on the July 15th

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uh minutes on page three yesterday
midway down. It looks like I didn't

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change one of the headers. It shows
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protection of wetland areas. It should
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additional standards for
I can't read my hand review. So that

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needs to be amended please.
>> So it's the heading the protection of

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wetland area is 155.2.150
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additional standards for reviews.
>> Okay. Gotcha.

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» All right. Uh
>> did anybody want to change anything else

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on the agenda before we get to the
consent?

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» I just have a question. We have received
two letters this week. One from Holly

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Collins about social media policy and I
think we received one from Geneva

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Jackson.
um that basically is about the same

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issue. So I think that would be a timely
issue for us to discuss seeds. Are they

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the
>> No, that would be um under announcements

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or correspondence or systems input,
however you want to do that.

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» Um but they will be in the packet at the
end. Um and you have it all emailed to

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[clears throat] you, correct?
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» Okay.
>> We can discuss them under correspondence

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most likely.
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decisions. we hear back from the
attorney on his decision on it.

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» Well,
>> this is a separate

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» separate issue
>> issue. Yeah.

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» And I can print out a copy of the email
if nobody if somebody doesn't have it on

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them.
>> Rich, the attorney hasn't addressed this

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issue at all. We haven't asked him. It's
the elder issue that we ask.

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» The attorney has addressed this one as
well. Um yeah. Um preliminarily, he

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doesn't um see an issue, but he was
leaving town, so he says he's going to

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look at it more thoroughly next week.
Um, so there's no official opinion on

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what may occur.
>> Okay. Well, shouldn't we as a council

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discuss it or do we need to wait for the
attorney's opinion?

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» Because it would seem to me uh the
attorney's going to come back and say

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this is what I think is the case. This
is maybe what you could do.

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» I think it would be similar to what you
just did and that we can put it on the

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agenda for next week. Right now it's
just correspondence which doesn't really

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open itself to debate and discussion.
>> That's fine. Okay. So I make a motion

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that we put that item on the next agenda
as well.

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» We can certainly do that.
>> I didn't know [clears throat] that

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you're trying to get started
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» Okay. Good.
>> Is that a place?

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» Yeah.
>> All right. Any other discussion about

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the agenda?
>> Seeing none, I need a motion to approve

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the agenda. So move.
>> Second. Thank you.

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All those in favor?
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we got it.
>> Okay, that's unanimous. Uh so item five

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is consideration of consent agenda. Uh
all items here will be considered are

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considered routine and will be enacted
by one motion. There will be no separate

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discussion of these items. Uh if you
want to discuss one of them, then we'll

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pull it from the consent agenda. the
discussion. May we have one correction

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in the meeting minutes of the July 15th?
Uh, anybody else have any suggestions,

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questions, or concerns?
>> Just one question.

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I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing it. Do we
have any fund balance in here, James?

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Did I miss it?
>> You may have missed it. Um, or I may not

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be in there. Um, we're having some
problems with our QuickBooks. We went

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from a desktop version to an online.
>> Yeah.

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» And we're kind of in a state of limbo
right now. Um, but I can certainly

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provide that for you. I did make a new
graph there that just shows the

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percentages of what's spent

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and we didn't we haven't reconciled yet
July. So that's why I can't really

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number because it wouldn't be official
in fact to reconcile it.

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» Yeah. Thank you.
>> Any other questions?

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Seeing none, entertain a motion to
approve the consent agenda.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you, Rich.

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All those in favor of approving consent
agenda with the one correction to the

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July 15th meeting then I

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» All right. That was uh unanimous as
well. Okay, that takes item six

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announcements correspondence.

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Well, we I only remember seeing one
letter, but we got two letters in that

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will be in the packet as correspond. Um,
and then did you have any other?

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» Um, no. I'll address my stuff under
reports.

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» Okay.
>> Um, and so for announcements and

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correspondence. Um,
>> okay. Thank you. Then item seven,

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citizens input. I have a number of cards
that say either citizens input or water

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pressure. Starting with Mr. Schneider.
Since it's not on the agenda, we'll have

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you put in.
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» Yeah. Thank you. Jerry Schneider. Uh
Stephanie and I live at 83369 Osprey

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Way. Uh we have during the summer, I'm
not sure if anybody else has had this

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issue, but uh we have had issues with
varying water pressure from zero early

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in the morning uh to something that sort
of passes for water coming through the

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pipes. Um this has been uh an issue that
has been ongoing probably since the

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beginning of summer. Uh I would note
that we did not have any phone calls

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from South Coast Water asking us to
actually conserve water, but we noticed

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that the pressure has been greatly
reduced uh and sometimes doesn't even

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doesn't even run. So our issue here is
that certainly for uh people who get up

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early in the morning uh perhaps still go
to work, need to be able to take a

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shower, use the toilet, whatever you
need to do, right? It's hard to do

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without water. If there's like an
emergency

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situation, that can be a problem also.
So, we wanted to throw this out there

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and let people know that we were
experiencing this. I don't know if

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anyone else is experiencing this, but
this is something that we are concerned

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about. Um, we will probably continue to
talk to um

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» South Coast Water. uh we some kind of
dialogue with them but I wanted to make

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folks aware here uh that this was a uh
this this was a situation that we have

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been experiencing.
>> Understood. Thank you.

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» And I can address that. Um
>> Deb Williams had brought this Deb

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Williams brought this issue up to
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two months ago.
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» that would be about right. Yeah.
>> And then we had a meeting scheduled with

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South Coast Water is it or Southwest?
South Coast,

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» South Coast Water. Um, that had to get
cancelled because there was a

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miscommunication between myself and Deb
um to confirm the dates. So, I put Deb

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in direct contact with the general
manager at South Coast. Um, I don't know

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what has come from that or anything. I
can give you the same information if you

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want and let you all
go to them directly. Try to schedule a

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date. You're more than welcome to use
the chamber council or chambers here.

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Um, and I can facilitate that meeting
for you. Thank you. Do you have a card I

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can add?
>> No, but I'll be

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» nicely done. All right. Anyway, yes,
that'll be fine. Yeah, I I I know where

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to find it.
>> Okay. And they have been fairly

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responsive to me. Um I don't know about
you, but apparently they had some big

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project in place that was supposed to
address this, right? They wanted to wait

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a month till they got the final report,
which they say they now have. So, they

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should be ready to address this whenever
we get a date set.

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» Great. There was I'm sorry.
>> Can I say something? We've talked we've

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talked to them a couple times and talked
to uh um one of their um technicians who

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told us that it's the water low water
pressure is due to people over

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irrigating
>> and he said he even said, "Oh, it's it's

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someone on Davis and we know about it,
but they're not doing it."

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» Yeah. Yeah. This that seems to be the
that seems to be the situation. So, um,

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yeah, and we also understand, uh, I
won't take too much more your time. We

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also understand that there was some
issue apparently with the main pipe that

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comes up from the lake that feeds the
system once it's purified and goes into

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the tanks. Uh, our understanding was
that it was undersized. Uh, that it

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should have been larger, but we have no
idea if that's if that's even going to

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be happening. So, that may be changed.
You're shaking your head over there and

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kind of chuckling. Uh, is there there's
something you wanted to add to that

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because
>> No, I I spent a lot of time in water

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systems. So,
>> Oh, okay. Well, that's somewhat

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accurate.
>> That that was that was my comment before

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the meeting ever began. So,
>> all right. Well, thank you very much.

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» Thank you. [clears throat] Uh, next is
Jeie Jackson. Uh, city, you put city

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water.
>> Yes.

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» Problems.
>> Yes.

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» Same issue or a different issue? uh in
Kansas City issue since a lot of people

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had water problems. So when Duke City
first came to Westlake, my family's been

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here for my family originated here over
a hundred years ago. My grandparents and

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parents lived here. And back in the 60s,
people in Westlake were not only

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frightened by the notion that this could
all turn into a park, which turned out

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not to be true, and many people knew
[clears throat] that at the time. But

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the real issue that a lot of people were
told, oh, we'll have good, safe city

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water and sewage, but Doom City wants to
do that for us. Well, that was back in

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1963. This has never happened. And so, I
really feel for you all that this has

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been an ongoing problem since the very
inception of Den City. I know you offer

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us nothing more than Westlake offered
us. In fact, you're an extra layer of

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government we don't need. And um it's
really sad and yet I'm I am running for

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council because I'm really frustrated
with the fact that with all the water

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available in this area, we can't seem to
get our act together to make it where

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people get to people's homes. And you
know, I think it's really telling that

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Melissa herself who's on the council has
had water problems. A lot of you have,

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Duke has. and that when we were offered
all that COVID money from the federal

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government, administrator Mills chose to
spend it on bringing water to the people

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of Wink like Duke, but not to nothing
was done for the people in West Lake.

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Nothing has ever been done for us. I had
suggested that some of that money could

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be used. put in a simple water machine
because during CO we were having to

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drive all the way to town, expose oursel
to who knows what every time we had to

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go to [clears throat] the grocery store
and touch everything and be with

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everybody despite our masks. And I said,
if you could simply put a water machine

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in here by city hall like the grocery
stores in town have, why can't Dune City

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simply put in a water machine so we know
we can have safe drinking water? And my

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answer I was that question was never
answered. Miss Mills ignored me and

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obviously everybody got new computers, a
lot of grants for wish that Doom City

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wanted, but nothing for the people of
Westlake and water and I feel for you

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all. This isn't just about Westlake.
Obviously, a lot of people are

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struggling with water in Doom City.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah. Interesting history. Um, next,
Chris John.

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» Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity
to talk and fellow neighbors. 82% of the

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hotel owners
um of the STR hotel owners do not live

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in Dune City. I will be speaking about
the non-owner occupied hotels. These

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investors do not belong to any of our
neighborhoods. They only want to extract

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as much money from the community as they
can. They do not care if they ruin a

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neighborhood because they are not part
of Dune City.

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uh they they distanced themselves from
us uh with bad actor property managers.

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If a rental property owner cared about a
neighbor neighborhood, they would rent

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long-term, put more rentals into the
market, help our workforce, and build

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community. Instead, they do the
opposite. They open hotels and force

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city residents to be neighborhood
police. If you have a valid violation in

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a complaint, good luck getting any
meaningful action from anyone in a

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timely fashion.
Four active STRs have been operated for

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years without wastewater approval from
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These are illegal permits issued by Dune
City and I submitted violations on these

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7 months ago and again at the last
council meeting. There's no valid excuse

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for this and these permits should be
terminated per ordinance 256B items

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123.05
section A4 and B2.

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Two hotels were operating for two years,
never had a chance to use permit from

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Lane County. They've since exited the
STR pool. The ordinance is not a

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one-sided document. The city has a
responsibility to follow it as well. Two

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weeks ago, I made you aware of that
there were eight STRs advertising higher

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occupancies than the permits allow.
Currently, two weeks later, there are

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seven, and one of these does not even
have an approval. There's no excuse for

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this. takes less than 5 minutes to
change advertising through Airbnb and

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VBOS. It is safe to assume that all of
these hotels are exceeding the allowable

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occupancy and they've been doing it
probably for years.

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One of them, 84284 Alder Drive County
allowed six occupants, advertises for

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15. This permit needs to be revoked and
issued a cease and desist. The investor

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has not paid the septics maintenance
contract in some time. The local septic

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maintenance provider was forced to
cancel the contract and Lane County

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management division, Lane County Land
use division has issued a disinvested a

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violation of warning just this past July
14th. This permit needs to be revoked

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and issued a cease and desist.
It's as if you've signed off on the

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ordinance and never looked back. And
this burden has left our neighborhoods

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feeling marginalized, manipulated,
misused by both the city and the hotel

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operators. This is all because you did
not and are not still still not

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following the ordinance.
I have one question and that is do the

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Winning Hams, the owner of two STRs,
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» I have no idea. I think we we
>> this is more we for them to

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» Yeah, sure. [clears throat]
>> I think staff could probably check on

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that. Thanks.
>> Get back to you.

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» What was the question, sir?
>> Do the Winninghams, the owner of two

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hotels, have a business license?
>> Great. Thank you.

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» Winningham.
>> Winningham. I want to know where these

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hotels are.
>> Yeah. Short-term rental is a hotel in my

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neighborhood. It's not a hotel. Sure is.
All right. Uh, I got one more for Geneva

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Jackson.
>> Well, it sounds like you tabled this for

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two more weeks. So, I can table my
comments for more weeks.

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» Oh. Oh. Oh,
>> yeah. Regarding uh regarding the um

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» social media,
>> the the social media sites.

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» Very good. That's all the yellow cards I
have for those. Anybody else before we

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move on? Uh that'll take us to item
eight, reports,

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uh mayor's report. Um
we've got a couple of events coming up

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on September 12th at the Florence Event
Center. This for the whole community,

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the Beat the Wave disaster preparedness
from 9 to 2. That's a Saturday. Um it's

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within Florence. Everyone's invited. Um
it's free September 19th here at city

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hall. Right. The shred shred will be
here in the parking lot again,

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» but it will be here. I can't remember
the date.

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» Yeah, that was the 19th. I believe it's
the 19th. So, second, we did this a year

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ago for residents bringing documents to
shred. Uh, we split the cost with a

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local business. We shred city documents
and then we have opportunity to shred.

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Um, we shred all our secrets and you can
shred your tax forms. I'm kidding. It's

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all the old out ofdate stuff that needs
to be purged. But um uh last year we did

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it and had a I don't know a dozen
residents come. We shredded like a six

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big roll of trash cans full of
documents. So and it's free to you. Uh

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that's all I have.
>> James, thank you. Um just to note that

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the autism camp at Camp Baker will be
August 27th through the 30th. Supposedly

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a big event. Um school starts on August
31st. We have a city newsletter that is

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online. You have to subscribe to get it.
Um, please do that. And if any of the

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counselors or even citizens have an
article they want to put in there that

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is appropriate, um, please just [snorts]
send it to me prior to the first. We can

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make sure that it's up there. Um, we've
had two dog bite incidents in the last

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month or so. One of them was pretty
severe, but um as you know, we don't

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have an ordinance or a control agreement
with Lane County. Um so Eagle went out,

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documented um just for the sake of
documentation if anything should come of

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it. Um but I just wanted to point that
out to you in case somebody catches you

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in the hallway or something and and
unleashes on you. Uh the two radar

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trailers are deployed on clear link and
an STR update subsequent to the last

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council meeting. Uh 5175 Russell did
receive a revocation notice. It's

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effective August 27th if they don't
appeal. If they do appeal, they're

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allowed to continue to um post until the
appeal is heard by council. So and that

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was all I have.
>> So let me ask you a question. Did you

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see the dog bites?
>> Yeah.

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» Okay. So, were these dogs off leash or
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» One of them was off leash at uh the
federal campground just down the street.

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I tried to contact um the Forest
Service. They weren't interested in

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coming out. Um I talked to the owner or
to the person who had been bitten and I

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went out there to try to talk to the
owners of the dog, but they weren't in,

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although their camper was still there.
Um and then on the second one, like I

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said, Eigor did go out there and make
contact. It was on the leash. It was a

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dog that was well known to the person
who got bit. It was just a fluke

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incident.
>> So, do we do we have any kind of leash

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law at all?
>> Not that I'm aware.

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» The county does, right? We're silent.
So, did we have dogs in the news

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ordinance? Did we ever talk we talked
about wild animal?

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» That would be more barking and noise
like you can't become a newsless if you

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had food or but it was for wild animals.
>> Yeah. Wild

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» 35 stitches was a definite.
>> Oh, that's good.

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» Wow. Is there a reason why we don't
still have anything with Lane County? We

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used to.
>> I don't know. We should. Um, that's

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certainly something I'm going to look
into which is why I bring it up, but we

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don't currently.
>> Yeah. Because we don't have our own el.

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» And Eber did some research as to a
facility in Eugene where we could if we

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have strays
>> bring them there. Um, but we would have

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to transport the dog.
>> Transport him.

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» Transport and we would have to payundred
I think $25 to deposit the dog and plus

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$25 a day which if the owner came back
and got the dog we could charge the

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owner but if they don't we're stuck for
that. So we're probably not going to

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move forward with that.
[clears throat]

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» All right.

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Uh permit report. Pam we've got your
notes in here. Did anybody have any

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question about the building?

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» Question.
>> I just have one question. Uh do have we

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given any kind of city credential to our
employees and representatives fan and

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anybody else that might go to an address
if they were asked for identification,

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» not a ID card. Um, Igor and I have
talked when I was at my last agency as a

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director. Um, during a wildfire, I
couldn't get through the CHP line to get

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to the 911 center. Um, suit and all
didn't really seem to matter. So, I went

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online. I bought a badge for like
[clears throat] 80 bucks. And next time

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we had a fire, they let me right
through. So, we talked about maybe

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making one for Eigor. But
>> give out business parts to everybody.

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[clears throat] and he's got a city
shirt and his hat on his personal

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» walk around the Dune City shirt every
day. So,

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» but no, we don't want to get you into
just about anywhere.

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» Okay. Thank you.
>> Yes.

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And then the other report is complaints.
You should also have that in your

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packet. Any questions for Igor?

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» Igor continues to go above and beyond
with um not focusing necessarily just on

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STRs, but with the dog bites, he was at
both scenes trying to make contact with

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people and making sure everything was
properly documented and everybody was

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happy. So, pass off anywhere. Can I ask
a maybe not a related question, but um

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some citizens expressed a concern about
people who fish in the ocean and rinse

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their boat in the lake.
>> And I've seen this myself and taken

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people would come off the ocean and they
want to wet dip their boat off the boat

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ramp and
>> wet flush it, right?

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» Flush it. So,
>> do we have any kind of responsibility we

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can
>> No, Susan's brought that up before as

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well with the water.
>> Susan's got her hand up. Yeah, because

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it's a state water body. We
>> Right.

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» We like
I wouldn't even know who to call, you

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know? I mean, it's like if you if you
saw somebody doing that or if you wanted

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to say, "Look,
you know,

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» I think there's a sign at what week, but
>> I think if you launched your boat and

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drove 100 feet and put it back on the
trailer, you'd be fully compliant if

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your boat was registered." You know what
I mean?

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» You go ahead. Yeah,
>> student.

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I have documented several boats doing
it. Sent it to Lane County, sent it to

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the county commissioner who sent it to
other people at Lane County. And Lane

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County wrote back to me and said they
were not prosecuting and they did not

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care even though I had
uh boat numbers. I had people's names. I

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documented several things and um they
said they weren't going to do anything

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about it.
So my question would be

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» even though there it's their ordinance
that's up there next to the boat ramp.

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» So could we have an ordinance that finds
people for doing this?

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» Who's going to take care of?
>> I'm just asking the question.

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» We can't because it's Oregon water and
we have to go through the county and go

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through Oregon. Us having an ordinance
about them being doing something the

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water would not have any weight.
>> Yeah. Okay. Is there any signage that

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warns people off? There's one.
>> There is. And that's what I I took a

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picture of the sign. I took a picture.
Lane County has an ordinance and they

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said they will not prosecute.
>> Okay.

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» Wow.
>> And the launch ramp on Silkus is the

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counties and the launch ramp at Wing is
the states,

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» right?
>> So depending on which location you're

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at, it's different people, too.
>> Right.

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» In both in both cases, it's state water
once you're on the lake.

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Well, we need a sign that says, "We know
who you are."

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We need a scuba div.
>> I was very I was very obvious about

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taking pictures of them and of the
people on the boats and they were not

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concerned.

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» Yeah.
>> No. So, yeah, it has been a complaint

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over time.

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Okay. Uh there's nothing else on that.
That will take us to item 11 public

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hearing.
This is land use file PA25-014

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legislative amendment chapter 155 of the
Dune City Development Code. If approved

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or when approved, the amendments will be
adopted via ordinance number 275. The

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planning commission, excuse me,
recommended approval and adoption of the

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amendments with revisions as noted.
The city council is recommending the

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public hearing tonight to continue the
hearing from August 5th.

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The hearing is open and oral and written
comments will be accepted. Starting at

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uh 6:31 p.m. that public hearing
and we are

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91.
>> Yeah. The traffic impact.

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» Yeah.
>> The same. And I have one yellow card

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from Geneva Jackson. Was there something
specific you wanted to speedrun?

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» I just want to make sure that when we
get to the sections where we're talking

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about permitting Yeah. that
we that when we are talking about

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issuing developers permits
or developments

415
00:30:52,960 --> 00:31:03,679
that water access
has it has been covered before this

416
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:09,600
permit was followed forever. So, I'm
very glad that um that you have a letter

417
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:16,000
to that effect and I'm simply asking you
to do that in 275.

418
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:19,760
» So, when you say water access, do you
mean lakefront lots getting to the lake

419
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:24,559
or you mean drinking water?
>> Permits for

420
00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:29,679
we are requesting that B city actively
put a moratorum on any further permits

421
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:33,919
for water access and little vote until
the developer follows through with

422
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:38,520
making our water safe. I want do I want
legislation like that in 270

423
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,120
» right now if they don't have a
reservation they cannot get water

424
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,480
» nobody
>> you want us to put that on

425
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:54,000
» we don't
>> Yeah that's a tricky um because we've

426
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:57,120
got homes that have lake water
individually they have their own phone

427
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:03,120
and there's no one else involved in
their system we have individuals with

428
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:06,240
wells and then we have individuals on
community systems. In that case, the

429
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:11,440
Little Wings community system that
requires a third party's review and

430
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:15,120
approval. Um,
and and which is not the city. I mean,

431
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:20,720
we don't provide that approval. That's
through state law. And I think it's it's

432
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:24,480
uh the county does it in Lane County,
right? Is it Lane County Health that

433
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,279
signs it off or does it go to the state
for the community system? The

434
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:32,640
» community system is the same county.
Okay. traffic, right? So,

435
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,000
» anyway, we'll we can talk about that. I
mean,

436
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:37,919
» thank you.
>> Yeah, that's a tricky spot because we

437
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:42,159
have the city has some municipal law
rights, but we don't have a municipal

438
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:45,200
system and and then there are people
that are not attached to the city's

439
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,600
municipal rights. They have their own
right, and we don't even participate in

440
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:55,279
the process. So, um there's a variety of
ways to get the drinking water. There's

441
00:32:51,120 --> 00:33:00,000
a a this is similar in goal to having a
a functioning septic system. We're not

442
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:04,559
supposed to be issuing permits if you
don't have a functioning septic system.

443
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:08,480
And this is similar similar concept.
>> Yes. So one of the one of the

444
00:33:07,299 --> 00:33:12,960
[clears throat] challenges in Oregon
there's a number of ways to get

445
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:18,640
drinkable water. One is a system. You
don't even have to have access to a lake

446
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:21,840
or a well. And Oregon still will allow a
building permit to be issued. It's one

447
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:26,720
of the few states that I'm familiar with
that you can simply have a holding tank

448
00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:31,679
and say, "I'm hoping that it will rain
or I will buy water in a water truck."

449
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:34,559
So, that's sort of the lowest. The bar
is set pretty low there to get a

450
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:39,360
building permit and build a home. All
you have to have is a black barrel next

451
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:45,120
to your house and uh and the ability to
buy water. Um but anyway, we'll see.

452
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:49,519
» Just that that would just be a sentence
or something on the revis.

453
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,519
» Yeah. Well, raise your hand if we get to
a spot where you think it fits.

454
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:57,120
» Okay, I'll do that.
>> Okay, thank you. Uh, and with that, we

455
00:33:54,799 --> 00:34:01,679
will go back to traffic impact study
prepared by engineer currently licensed

456
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:07,440
by the state of Oregon. Period. And we
are at E conditions of approval

457
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:11,480
if I notice correct.
>> Yep. Okay.

458
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:18,119
So, there are some strikeouts in E.
Anybody have any comments on those?

459
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:24,040
If not, we can go to F,

460
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:27,960
which is access driveways.

461
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:41,119
And then there's a number of specific
options outlined there. Option one, two,

462
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:45,119
and three.
And then subdivisions, fronting on an

463
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,119
arterial.
Any

464
00:34:53,839 --> 00:35:02,320
comment there?
>> Um,

465
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:08,800
so subdivisions, how many how many
people how many

466
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:14,560
requiring before they have to put in a
alley?

467
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:20,480
Well, it's an alley or a street
or well, it says alleys, comma, local or

468
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:25,680
collector streets for individual. So,
it's either or. It's not a street and

469
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:29,920
it's a direct access via an alley, a
street

470
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:34,724
because definition.
It's basically the smallest.

471
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,724
» Okay. [clears throat]

472
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:42,680
Any other comment on what the fourth F4

473
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:53,000
page and let me know if it's been raised
or any shouts out. You can hear us right

474
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,000
Susan.

475
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:58,240
» Yeah.
>> Okay. All right. We're on five. Double

476
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,520
frontage lots when allow furniture on
two or more streets. Access shall be

477
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,200
provided first from the street with the
lowest classification smaller of the two

478
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:10,079
streets.
Yeah. at the neighborhood street be

479
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:16,000
backed up to our material.
Item six is a new added flag.

480
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:20,160
» What is a flag?
>> Oh, it's where you got two parcels in

481
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:23,119
front of each other. So you build the
driveway [clears throat] or the alley or

482
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:24,720
whatever you want to call down side or
share

483
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,400
» house behind.
>> Yes. And so that long stick looks like

484
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,839
flag if it's a rectangular lot. So yeah,
you got behind it. One of them fronts

485
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:36,720
the road and one of them has that
privable access

486
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:41,280
and it says we will only allow flag lots
through a variance profits. Um

487
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,960
one of the homes we used to get a lot of
complaints about was a flag lot and

488
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,680
they've since sold it moved but um they
complained there were people driving

489
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:51,599
through the yard but it was dedicated
access because there were two parcels

490
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:56,000
there. It was a sore spot as long as
they live there. Um, and I understand

491
00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:00,320
they have sold and moved. So, we haven't
heard about that one lately. But I get

492
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:03,800
that everybody should have direct access
whenever possible.

493
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:08,119
Access facing

494
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,320
So, I have a question about spacing.

495
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:37,359
It says minimum of 50 foot separation
uh under local streets. So, when we have

496
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:43,359
and we've talked about this prior, when
we have those shape lots and maybe you

497
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:47,280
only have 30 foot inch,
does that require a variance? Rapunzel,

498
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:52,560
if you have narrow lot, you can't get
the 50 foot.

499
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:56,640
It says minimum 50 ft.
What do you do with a odd shape if you

500
00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:00,119
don't have more if you don't have
sufficient frontage?

501
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:07,440
» Is that a variance or is everyone
entitled to a single point of access

502
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:12,000
regardless of frontage width?
>> It might be a variance. Um

503
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:16,359
» because it doesn't say in that section.
>> It doesn't say in three, does it?

504
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:31,200
The three just says may be restricted in
some land uses.

505
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:33,520
Um so is 50 ft separation between
driveways.

506
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,839
» Yes.
>> Right. So I think you need a variance

507
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:40,160
language if it's impossible to build
that.

508
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,680
» Right. Is that what you're
>> saying? Right. If you had two narrow,

509
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,720
they're odd shaped lots and they both
had 30

510
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:52,880
» three feet of frontage and you couldn't
get the separation and uh what's the

511
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:57,280
language for that lowest level uh
variance that the staff could review the

512
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,640
condition
>> type three.

513
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,240
» Yes,
>> because I would hate for that to have to

514
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:08,560
go to planning commission to get just
get two driveways on two parcels

515
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:12,880
adjacent to each other. That's a lot of
time and expense. But yeah, I think we

516
00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:17,040
don't have any language in this section
that says or you can get a variance. It

517
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:20,520
just says you shall have 50 feet.
>> You have access

518
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:27,680
» in Westlake. You will have trouble
getting 50 feet between the 50 foot

519
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:33,200
lots.
>> Right. Right. So I would add a paragraph

520
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,760
four that says access spacing can be
addressed in the variance process or

521
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,320
something
>> at a staff level.

522
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:42,000
» At a staff level. No. Well, then you
can't be a variance if you want it to be

523
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:45,839
staff level.
>> Well, what's that lowest level? Isn't it

524
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:50,720
type three variance? We've talking about
adding that language in this, right?

525
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,400
» Three variance is strictly planning
commission.

526
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:57,480
» Oh, okay.
>> And city council. Um,

527
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:03,800
type four or type two then where it's
just staff.

528
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,440
If it's
>> none of those,

529
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:13,680
» if it's
>> I would suggest that if you think that

530
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:21,760
it's impossible for this to ever be met
that we create another tiny section of

531
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:25,839
code related to the variances, but call
it what I think cities are now calling

532
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:31,599
adjustments.
>> Sure. which um a

533
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:38,240
planning official,
city administrator in this case, could

534
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:39,599
review the plans and determine the safe
spacing.

535
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:45,920
» Okay.
>> Safest spacing based on standards we

536
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,280
» desire is 50 ft, but when they're too
narrow,

537
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,800
» yeah,
>> then it's a case by case. In West Lake,

538
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:58,640
there are few if any undeveloped lots,
so that's not really an issue for West

539
00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:00,240
Lake, but there may still be some small
lots.

540
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,960
» Yeah.
>> That it could be a problem. I can't

541
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,280
think of any offhand, but there might
still be.

542
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:11,599
» Yeah. So,
>> but if they rebuild and de if they

543
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:17,359
demolish and rebuild, they have to go by
this code. And I don't think Westlake

544
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:22,400
should always have to get a variance for
when they build.

545
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:26,319
» So that I I like Rapunzel's idea. We
need an adjustment section. Are you

546
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:32,400
suggesting that that just be the end of
this current section?

547
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:39,640
» No. Um it would be
probably in the variance section.

548
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:39,640
» Okay. Um

549
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:49,520
» so so it would be like a modified
variance instead of going to the

550
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:56,760
planning commission if there are the
criteria for the planning official to

551
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,760
make a decision

552
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:03,280
non-discretionary disc decision they
would have the authority to do it and

553
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:07,520
the language would have to be written
into the adjustment section.

554
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:12,319
non-discretionary.
>> It seems like um if there's nothing in

555
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:16,160
place to go before the council or the
planning commission and you're asking

556
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:19,119
staff, then it really is
>> then discretion,

557
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,880
» right? And we've [clears throat] already
had problems with that in the past, but

558
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,359
I can understand you not wanting it to
be a full

559
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,880
» You know what I think? I think I
[clears throat] just sent us on a clase.

560
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:32,160
Um I was thinking accesses and
driveways. It says access facing

561
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:36,800
driveway access shall be separated from
other driveways and streets. But one is

562
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,920
local streets. It's local streets should
be 50 feet apart where they came

563
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:45,599
together so we don't end up with those
weird like fiveway intersections. Um I

564
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:50,920
was just thinking driveway but I didn't
read the whole sentence. Minimum 50 foot

565
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,920
separation

566
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:57,440
from the near side of the street
required for local streets. That's more

567
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,920
for street mapping. So that would be
that's not even the same thing that I

568
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,960
didn't even do.
>> I think yeah this wasn't about driveway.

569
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:07,440
That's my fault cuz I'm reading access
spacing and driveway. This is about

570
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:11,119
street spacing. Arterials
will meet at four-way stops determined

571
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,640
by policies and stand.
>> And then we have it under H. We have

572
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:18,079
access points under H.
>> Yeah.

573
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:24,240
» So we're back in the same 50oot
separation. So I I like Rapunzel's idea.

574
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:28,119
Maybe we could ask Rapunzville and James
to craft that language.

575
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:39,520
just put in there if a 50ft separation
is not possible then it would need to go

576
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:40,560
to a variance of
>> oh

577
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,640
» no
>> no

578
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:46,800
» no not a variance for that
>> I think just finding the safest place to

579
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,119
place a driveway
>> under age

580
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:54,880
» but that would be the
>> under that could be under the discretion

581
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:59,119
of staff there so
>> you're talking about age right here yes

582
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:02,720
» yeah that's just saying that you can
have more than one driveway.

583
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:06,800
» That's a different thing. It says two or
more accesses separated by 50. You can

584
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:10,000
always have one. Yeah.
>> So, if you decided if you wanted two

585
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:13,280
driveways as long as you maintain the 50
ft, go ahead.

586
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:16,000
» Right. But it wouldn't eliminate the the
original driveway. You would always have

587
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:20,560
a driveway. You can also have a shared
driveway in the next section. If they're

588
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:24,720
close together, up to four four lots can
share a driveway. So, nobody would ever

589
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:31,040
be stuck without a driveway. Nobody
would be landlocked. Um, so, so strike

590
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:35,359
my stupid question in the beginning. Um,
and read the whole question or the whole

591
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:40,720
statement.
Yeah, and you're right, Chris, that's

592
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,440
two access points per lot if they
maintain 50 ft. So, that would be in a

593
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:48,400
different case. That's where you have a
lot of plage and you want two different

594
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:51,680
drive like a horseshoe pter.
>> Yeah. Or main building and you have an

595
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,200
accessory building you want to be able
to drive around. Doesn't our current

596
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:58,920
code say unless you're a corner lot, you
can only have one driveway?

597
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:07,440
» Well, this is the proposed
>> language. So, that would change that if

598
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:12,280
you had sufficient frontage. Yeah, you
could have two of the maintained 50 foot

599
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,280
separation.

600
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:18,720
So, this would be when you get to H, it
would be for people with a lot of

601
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:23,119
frontage and they wanted the pair drives
access point. back to number five at the

602
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:28,560
top of the page where it says if you
have a corner lot then you have to go

603
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:33,599
with the street that has the lowest
classification for your entrance.

604
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:37,920
» No front that could be mid block too
where

605
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:40,880
uh like your son's he's got a a street
in front of him and a street behind him.

606
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,119
His driveway is on the smaller street.
>> Yeah.

607
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:46,079
» He happens to be on the corner but if
you were in the mid block you'd have the

608
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:49,040
same thing. You'd go to the you'd go to
the smaller road would be the the

609
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,440
address.
>> Yeah. cuz she's saying you can't have it

610
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:57,680
U-shaped and go from one road to the
other road. Is that what you were

611
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:02,560
asking?
>> Well, we've got a place down off of

612
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:07,760
Clear Lake.
That's a corner lot. They had a

613
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:14,000
driveway. They opted to cut through the
fence and put in another driveway and

614
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:19,040
haul stuff in there.
It's not a legal driveway.

615
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:22,640
Was that
>> was it a temporary thing for

616
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:29,732
construction or
>> No,

617
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:29,732
» temporarily longterm. [clears throat]

618
00:46:32,319 --> 00:46:38,160
So,
>> but if they if the way our code is read

619
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:44,280
in the past, if they paid for the second
driveway, that particular piece of

620
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:44,280
property could give.

621
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:52,560
» But they've never done that and they
won't quit using it.

622
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:57,119
» So, just because they didn't want to pay
for the second driveway permit,

623
00:46:55,599 --> 00:47:03,000
» I mean, how much is that?
>> $400.

624
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,000
» That's not that much for a driveway.

625
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:09,760
But then you got to put in a cover. You
have to

626
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:13,000
» as concrete in. So
>> but still.

627
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:23,200
» All right. So do we need to change any
of this language all the proposed

628
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:26,200
there's some strikeouts and some further
adjustments?

629
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:33,359
Well, I the only the only comment I
would have was that it's impossible for

630
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:36,079
us to read into this code every single
little right

631
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:41,200
» anomaly every possibility in the
universe.

632
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:45,359
» It would be nice if our city staff had a
modeicum of this threat and to address

633
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:49,119
things that we don't want to have to
spend that much time on.

634
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:52,880
» Right. I agree. So, you know, whether
that's an adjustment section or

635
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:57,839
something,
uh, I'd like to see something like that.

636
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:03,920
And at least you're memorializing that
process. So, people are saying, "I need

637
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:09,200
an adjustment." Okay, that's a process.
That is a process. So,

638
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,960
but I don't know if it belongs in this
section or in some other section, right?

639
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:17,440
Suggesting, you know, there's going to
be all a lot of little weird situations

640
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:24,240
that come up. I'm not sure everything is
worth the variance process.

641
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:27,760
» No, you're right. I agree. U
probably

642
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:32,920
way back in the beginning where it has
like jurisdiction and uh

643
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:41,760
we may have to look for a spot where
that should land to say um

644
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:46,000
you know
adjustments can be made by the planning

645
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,760
staff or the city administrator or city
administrator or assenee or something

646
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:53,440
where it's not appropriate where it
doesn't call out that this required a

647
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:58,160
planning commission, you know, action.
Some things do,

648
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:02,480
but you're right. Instead of putting in
the driveway area,

649
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:06,400
» put away up front and say, you know,
>> so James, would you be comfortable

650
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,480
writing that?
>> Rapunzel.

651
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:12,480
» Yep.
>> I just think you ought to come back to

652
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:16,703
us with that and it could be global in
the front as the mayor suggests.

653
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:19,839
» Hold the phone, please.
>> [laughter]

654
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:24,800
» So, there's another question that came
before uh that the council was talking

655
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:31,520
about that the planning commission is
going to be considering and uh we

656
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:35,119
haven't gotten there yet, but I think
that the language that could be

657
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:42,319
appropriate would be under the
adjustment section.

658
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:47,920
Um, so it's it would be a new section to
this code

659
00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:52,400
» and it could be applicable to other
issues than the one the planning

660
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:55,760
commission is going to be talking about
specifically.

661
00:49:53,760 --> 00:50:02,400
» Yeah. So I think the two of you could
get together and tell us where she land

662
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:08,640
craft something for us to look at. two.
>> At the very beginning

663
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:16,240
in 155.1.1
there's a description of the subsections

664
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:23,599
and the description of 155.5 which is
the variance standard says

665
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:28,880
155.5 provides standards and procedures
for variances and non-conforming

666
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:33,200
situations. This code cannot provide
standards to fit every potential

667
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:37,760
development situation.
The city's varied geography and

668
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:43,280
complexities of land development require
flexibility.

669
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:50,760
155.5 which is variances provides that
flexibility while maintaining the

670
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,760
purposes and intent of the code.

671
00:50:51,599 --> 00:51:00,800
So I read that but we don't have an
adjustment section here do we?

672
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:08,240
So we simply the the way it the way it's
done in other cities is that there's the

673
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:15,520
variance section and either contained
within that is what's called adjustments

674
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:21,119
sort of like mini variances if you will
or the adjustment section can be a

675
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:25,920
separate section.
So, so the planning commission will be

676
00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:30,559
discussing that and figure out where the
best place to put it should be.

677
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,280
» Sounds good.
>> If it

678
00:51:32,290 --> 00:51:35,680
[clears throat] agrees that it should
be.

679
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:43,359
» Yeah, it sounds good.
So on on section H where it's a single

680
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:48,480
family uh uh can have two access points
and say in this example right here where

681
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:53,599
we've got somebody that already has a
driveway point but wants another one.

682
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:57,920
Does that have to go through planning
commission and then council in order to

683
00:51:55,359 --> 00:52:03,359
get approval for the second driveway?
Well, this language, no. It just says if

684
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:08,316
they've got 50 foot separation, it would
be approved. It's it's approvable. It

685
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:11,280
would be covered. So yeah, it would be
[clears throat] like you only got 46 ft.

686
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:15,040
» I'm just looking to make sure that it
was simplified for that.

687
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:18,240
» Yes. So that particular case, we're
adding that that you could have because

688
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:21,520
it did save one. Now it says you could
have two if they maintain 50oot

689
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,480
separation.
>> Yeah.

690
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,920
» Okay. But you shall apply and give that
approved you future.

691
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:30,920
» It will be on your building plans
recite.

692
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:39,040
» I'm saying I'm thinking you have a lot
and you have a homeowner that's bought

693
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:45,680
this lot and they're needing to get in
with the lot. I think a big

694
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,920
consideration is where and how they're
want to configure their home on that

695
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:52,960
lot.
>> Sure.

696
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:55,040
the access would be a big deal where you
put that

697
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,720
» right
>> best place safest place

698
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:03,200
» right so this doesn't drive the location
and this allows to if you've got

699
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:06,800
sufficient fun but you're right that's
part of the review process both the

700
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:13,000
design like where do I want it and then
you have site visibility and that sort

701
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:13,000
of thing that will make it work

702
00:53:17,091 --> 00:53:22,800
[clears throat]
and then the next I is just a heading.

703
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:27,760
We deleted all the red shared driveway
and now it's one and two. We have couple

704
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:35,079
of choice shared but access of four tax
slots and an access must be reported as

705
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:35,079
condition.

706
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:41,000
So that one we simplified all that
language. It's just allowed.

707
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:46,040
Any comments there?

708
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:55,720
And then if none gay street access

709
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:08,559
you show section four being I deleted.
Uh

710
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:12,599
I have a four that's all red line. Yeah.
Okay. Thank you. Yeah.

711
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:30,200
right three and then delete four

712
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:37,000
K driveway standards and fire access.

713
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,800
Okay.

714
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:53,480
Let's see.
Okay. Has some strikeout language. I

715
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,480
think some new range.

716
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:09,559
So uh in K I would suggest we change the
sites valley fire marshal to the

717
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:16,920
designator they're using now western
lane fire

718
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,920
» fire marshalia

719
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:23,520
good catch

720
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,400
Any other comments there?

721
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:42,599
» If not, we've got one standard. That's
just a new number.

722
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:54,680
Construction details.

723
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:13,079
New section is E to ensure proper storm
water management cover or weather storm

724
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,079
drain may be required.

725
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:30,559
And then the whole section on long
driveways was stricken

726
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:35,839
because that is now up above over 150 ft
gets reduced but western lane fire

727
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:41,280
asset.
>> I have a question on D. E where it says

728
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:46,720
to ensure proper storm water management
any driver with the slope exceed 10%

729
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:51,760
shall be designed by a engineer to
licensed engineer

730
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:56,160
seems like a lot of money to spend on an
engineer to figure out 10%.

731
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,960
I mean, the culver is going to go
downhill.

732
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,480
You know what I'm saying? It just seems
like

733
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:04,480
» I got to make
the engineer.

734
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:09,000
» That's what I used to do.
>> Well, look where you're at now.

735
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:15,440
» They stopped paying for culverts where I
was.

736
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:18,880
» I just think I think a homeowner can
come up with a plan and put it in there

737
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:23,440
and say, you know, we're going to put
this size cover, you know, this grade

738
00:57:21,409 --> 00:57:27,119
[clears throat] without have to hire. So
this is a driveway. This is on private

739
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:32,319
property because we have that
requirement steep slopes but it's what

740
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:37,040
it's steep slopes uh and and public
roads, right? So that already requires

741
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:42,920
engineering.
Um what do you think? You see this

742
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:53,200
» on 12% slope and better. I think things
got to be engineered. Okay. Yeah. And I

743
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:56,799
would ask um
if you do get into those steep slopes,

744
00:57:55,359 --> 00:58:00,319
who's sizing the culbert? Are they
sizing it based on what's on sale or are

745
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:04,079
they sizing it for a, you know, for a
area of low rate?

746
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:07,760
» Well, this is just saying a driveway
with excess of 10.

747
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:11,280
» Yeah. And the ones Pam usually sees the
culvert is just crossing the driveway

748
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:14,400
because, you know, you're you're
leaving, you're either coming to or from

749
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:18,079
a street and you're either above it or
below it and maintain. just the ground

750
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,880
of the building. That's
>> so you're not at pond every time it

751
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:27,440
rains there where your driveway meets
the road. So I get that. Um I guess

752
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:34,400
there's there's a number of ways this
could rear its ugly head. So um

753
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:41,000
but I'm open.
>> We got a couple places out there that

754
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:41,000
could issue driveways.

755
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:49,440
» I know. Well, if the if it's not done by
a licensed engineer, who's who's doing

756
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:55,040
it?
>> The contractor. Okay.

757
00:58:52,079 --> 00:59:01,599
» I mean, it's not rocket science.
>> No, it's not. It's hydraulic science.

758
00:58:59,839 --> 00:59:05,920
» Go ahead. Another comment.
>> Yeah. If this is, you know, time for

759
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:12,319
public comment. I I'm very concerned
that you want to even have a two long

760
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:16,079
road, multiple driveways into a home.
I'm very concerned about the loss of

761
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:20,240
trees already with all the rebuilding
we're projecting and I love this

762
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:24,960
environment.
We love the forest in the trees and our

763
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:29,359
animals and we're having a lot of
erosion problems because of new homes

764
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:35,680
and trees being cut down. I don't see
why one home, unless it's especially

765
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:40,480
larger or has an odd location needs two
driveways. It concerns me the loss of

766
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:44,240
trees. what this is planned to change to
put in all these air because driveways

767
00:59:42,319 --> 00:59:49,520
are roads. They aren't. I hope they
won't be asphalt. That's very bad for

768
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:52,240
the environment. Gravel is safer. So,
those are concerns I have if we're

769
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,760
talking about extra.
>> Yeah, this is an allowance. This isn't a

770
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:59,760
requirement. This is on a large lot. You
could get a second drive. This isn't a

771
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:03,680
requirement to have two driveways. So, I
understand probably will be an

772
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:09,680
infrequent
people have shops or concern. Yes.

773
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:09,680
Right.

774
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:16,799
Oh, well Pam, you make a compelling case
for not having engineers. Pam,

775
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:21,920
» did you say there's an issue with
driveways at 12%?

776
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,960
» In your opinion.
>> So, this language says in

777
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:29,680
» excess of 10.
>> This is an excess of 10. So, we're

778
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:32,960
putting airs on two that came
10 and 12.

779
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:37,440
» Yeah. So, I think just leave it the way
it is. Good,

780
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:41,440
» you know.
All right. Can

781
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:43,920
» I interject something on that?
>> Yeah,

782
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:47,040
» ask a question. The house across from us
when it was filled, the short-term

783
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:51,839
rental, it's not that much of a smoke,
but we had flooding with muddy water

784
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:56,319
three times that scoured out some sand
and rocks and brought it like a river

785
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:59,520
down our driveway. And after the third
time, the owner finally put in more

786
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:03,119
drainage, but he said he wasn't required
to.

787
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:07,119
He said it wasn't necessary. So, I was,
you know, I hate to see,

788
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:10,720
well, I'd like to see everybody have
some kind of drainage or some kind of

789
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:15,839
evaluation even that, you know, I agree
with Jack because maybe a licensed

790
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:19,920
» engineer, but I just am concerned
because I know how much we got from that

791
01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:22,160
property without much of a slower.
>> Yeah.

792
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:26,400
» And I when we built our house, they said
he had to have a a drainage plant. Even

793
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:31,119
if they didn't, we would have done one
anyhow. But I just hate to see that

794
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:34,720
going backwards at all just because of
the problem we have in this area.

795
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:38,319
» I agree. Most most places it would be
either an engineer or an architect that

796
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:43,200
would have to draw the site plan and
show a drainage pattern and that you put

797
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:46,319
that water back wherever it went before
you developed. You know, you put a house

798
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:50,640
in the middle of it, but you need a
drainage swale or something to get it

799
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:55,359
historic location so you don't cause any
issues. So the other thing I'm thinking

800
01:01:52,400 --> 01:02:00,240
is if people see okay in excess of 10%
that gives them plenty of motivation to

801
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:04,160
cut and slope their driveway at 10% or
less%

802
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:07,920
» right. Exactly.
>> There's some motivation

803
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:13,359
» come up with a drainage plan or cut it
at 9%.

804
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:16,760
» But I mean at nine still feet but if
you're on dirt.

805
01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:23,640
So, the question is, should we change
it?

806
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:33,280
» No,
>> I don't want to get you.

807
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:38,559
» Okay. No, move it up. Move on. All
right. Thank you. Um, any other comments

808
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:42,440
on that page? We've got a big the big
long driveway was freaking

809
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:51,480
» and then a bunch of language was added
in vision clearance

810
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:57,160
triangle at where you meet the street.

811
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:14,839
I think it's appropriate because we have
lots of agitation that makes difficult

812
01:03:11,839 --> 01:03:14,839
some

813
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:20,520
putting the clarification in there I
think will be helpful over time.

814
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:38,160
I guess I got a question on F. It says
if a lobby or parcel of this requires a

815
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:47,200
driveway that meets requirements for
further division Y in excess 5 acres

816
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:51,440
the easement shall be 50 ft wide. Yep.
So that if you carved it up you'll have

817
01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:56,079
sufficient space for access. And then
the page before was if it was a public

818
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:59,680
street it would be 60 ft wide. So it'll
be a little room for a little zero

819
01:03:58,319 --> 01:04:04,559
street. You don't have to leave 50 ft of
improvement. You got to have access.

820
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:09,359
» So you don't end up with a tiny little
street feeding a bunch of

821
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:15,429
» And we have a couple of those 14 ft wide
um in a 24 Eastman

822
01:04:13,409 --> 01:04:15,429
[clears throat]

823
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:25,720
» here. All righty.
Any comments on page 95 that's got the

824
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,720
side triangle

825
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:32,079
which [clears throat] are the same
numbers that were in the holding with

826
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:37,559
some clarifying language
the length of each leg on the triangle

827
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:37,559
same

828
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:54,480
page is basically now reserved
for

829
01:04:52,960 --> 01:05:03,240
street trees, fences, walls,
landscaping, all the red line

830
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:03,240
takes us to vehicle and bicycle parking

831
01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:10,359
rich

832
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:18,680
bicycle parking.
Sure. Okay.

833
01:05:28,735 --> 01:05:30,755
» [clears throat and cough]

834
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:44,319
» So we have some new numbers
mostly for categories of things we don't

835
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:47,359
have in city just
future proofing I

836
01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:46,599
So the heading is so go ahead. Here it
says businesses and professionals and

837
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,599
we're striking government

838
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:55,319
one ter
right at the bottom of page 97.

839
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:05,079
What do you think, Jack? Government get
a pass again?

840
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:14,359
» I don't They don't They don't show up at
a different spot. So, you're right. Put

841
01:07:11,359 --> 01:07:14,359
back.

842
01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:21,359
» What section is that?
>> It's the chart. It says uh use and

843
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:27,039
parking spaces required. At the bottom
of 97, it said business and professional

844
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:30,960
and it used to say and government
>> and we struck government,

845
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:35,839
but we still have a parking requirement
just like a business. And then the

846
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:40,480
heading says standards for development
of vehicle and bicycle. And the bicycles

847
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:44,799
are all the way on page 105 for
commercial and multif family. Should

848
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:50,880
that happen, you have to have two bike
spaces for four dwelling units for for

849
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:54,119
five vehicle spaces
in commercial

850
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:01,160
does not apply. Single family or duplex
housing.

851
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:17,559
Any other comments on parking? Not
really our biggest challenge.

852
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,679
» Anyone? Anyone?

853
01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:39,400
Seeing none, we can go all the way to
page 106 if you want.

854
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:54,839
It is 5.3.4 public facility.

855
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:11,600
» I have a question.
Go ahead.

856
01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:14,600
Um, mine is um
page

857
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:27,040
see where is it? Um,
it's in C

858
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:30,040
2
C.

859
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:36,400
Uh, the last end of it, it says shall be
recorded in the office of the city

860
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:40,640
recorder. We really don't have an office
of the city recorder and I thought we

861
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:47,400
had um
>> that's county recorder.

862
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,400
» It says city recorder

863
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:55,360
» county.
What section is that in? C

864
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:58,760
» that is in C. Common facilities for
mixed uses.

865
01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:03,480
Wait,

866
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:19,679
» uh, are you on page 98?
>> No, mine says page 100, but mine is not

867
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:26,719
uh like yours, so it would uh probably
be 99 for you.

868
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:30,560
» Gota. Yeah, page 99. I don't lowerase C.
>> Yeah, at the top.

869
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:36,960
» Yes, you're right. That should say
should be recorded as a county recorder,

870
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:42,159
office of a county recorder.
>> Well, I just know we don't use city of

871
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:48,640
recorder. So, it would be in Dune City
Hall or if it was for Dune City. Uh, we

872
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:51,600
don't use that term anymore.
>> And if it's a recorded document, it

873
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:56,480
would show up in a title search when
there's two parties. So, I would say

874
01:10:54,560 --> 01:11:01,679
» county record.
You might want to have it in the city

875
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:04,960
and the county because if it's part of
the property,

876
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:08,480
» the city would have a copy as part of
the file, but then it's recorded. It

877
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:11,880
shows up when you do re it would be
legally binding.

878
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:18,640
» Does that make sense, James?
>> I um I know that Lyla used the term

879
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:21,520
recorder quite a bit and it is in the
job description and charter,

880
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:22,960
» but we don't record documents.
>> But we don't physically record it.

881
01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:26,480
Right.
>> Right. [clears throat] And this is joint

882
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:31,040
use where you need something permanent.
So if someone buys, they can say yes, I

883
01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:36,640
still have access. [clears throat]
It's not just a handshake dealing,

884
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:42,640
right?
Otherwise, you find yourself potentially

885
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:45,120
a parcel that doesn't have legal access.
You get a few.

886
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:50,239
» So are we are we changing that language
to just uh I would say county recorder

887
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:53,600
that way it gets recorded. Yeah, it
doesn't record. Yeah.

888
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:56,480
And then the project file would
obviously have a copy low but

889
01:11:55,844 --> 01:12:01,080
[clears throat]
you'd get a recording number you know of

890
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:05,320
it would be available on

891
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,000
Thank you.

892
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,600
Now we're back to 106.

893
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:41,480
» What heading are you at now?
>> Uh 155.3.4.

894
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:41,480
We at the public facility standards.

895
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:58,640
So, I'm jumping ahead, but on the next
page, it says something about having

896
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:01,600
city engineer.
>> Yeah,

897
01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:03,360
we have a city engineer.
>> Yes.

898
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:07,679
» Under contract. Yeah.
>> Thank you. And then and B is a variance.

899
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:13,120
This one's probably appropriate because
you're talking about like street widths

900
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:17,040
and layouts and that is a more formal.
>> So it says that could be granted by

901
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:22,040
varian. And I agree on that one. That's
for change. You're talking about street

902
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,040
network.

903
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:47,440
» Section EI has a handwritten note.
>> Eating street location with engrave.

904
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:51,120
» Yeah. um conform to the master road
plan. Is that replaced with

905
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:55,280
transportation system plan?
>> Yes. Okay.

906
01:13:52,880 --> 01:14:01,199
» Yeah, [clears throat] that's
on um section A number two, the

907
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:05,920
development of new streets and
additional streets with improvements

908
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:11,520
planning shall be dedicated to the city.
>> Yeah, I didn't know the city wanted to

909
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:14,640
continue to acquire streets.
If they're public, they'd be dedicated

910
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:21,920
to the city. And if they're private, so
that that depends on what it's a new

911
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:26,600
subdivision versus a new exterior tree.
So, we have both possibilities.

912
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,880
» Thank you.

913
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:56,000
When you get to 109, we have the chart
of street right away

914
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:59,440
and bathing with.
So, we just talked about those streets

915
01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:04,320
and lot frontage and it said if it was
private and you can have five 1acre lots

916
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:09,600
or grand 5 acres, it was 50 feet, but if
it was public was 60, but when you get

917
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:13,199
to here, local street is 50.
electors in arterials are 60 and

918
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:17,920
greater. I think the other one should
say 50. They can vote 50. If it's a

919
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:23,679
neighborhood street, you know, the last
plan I think 50, not 60.

920
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:27,360
Most of our older public streets are 50
kilome at least. the the off the

921
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,920
arterial
>> and what's our train talking about going

922
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:35,760
back to
>> so it was where it was that access

923
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:41,280
standard that
I was thinking it sounded wide and my

924
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:44,280
chart recommends
our

925
01:15:45,679 --> 01:15:48,679
best

926
01:15:55,120 --> 01:16:07,040
When the arterial says 60 to 120 ft.
>> Yeah, we we don't even down

927
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:10,040
120 ft on highway
right

928
01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:15,640
fences away.

929
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:26,560
So James on page 40 94F
this is the private one

930
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:35,520
minimum driveway easement is 50 ft and
then I think you backed up

931
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:41,280
uh on J street access on page 93 it says
greater than 5 acres if it has if it

932
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:45,600
fronts a street for at least or at least
six feet never mind that the frontal

933
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:49,120
should not go where it's so we our
stream width called 50 ft and the

934
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:55,679
easement width was 50 ft. So, we're
good. I like that

935
01:16:52,320 --> 01:17:01,360
if you [clears throat] guys like that.
>> Yeah, you're right. It does go up to

936
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:06,760
really big city width. 124 arterial
six plus, you know, left but

937
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,840
All

938
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,560
right.

939
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:35,600
on
page I think it would be your page 110

940
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:39,840
or 112.
>> Yeah.

941
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:46,560
» Section I
my version had a bunch of red lines but

942
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:51,829
it says restore the original.
Has yours already restored by yours?

943
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,829
Okay. [clears throat]

944
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:58,400
» I only have one red line in the title.
Uh

945
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:03,040
um street alignment and connections.
>> I got I got a whole section that says

946
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:05,440
restore you know we talking about number
one or we talking about one through

947
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:09,280
five.
>> And I think I got the version he's

948
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,800
talking about where they were not
stricken.

949
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,679
» Oh okay.
>> It was just the title.

950
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,960
» So we do have one through five.
>> Yes.

951
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:20,960
» A and B.
>> Yes. Five A and B. And the title

952
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:24,239
said street alignment and connection.
And it used to say street alignment and

953
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:28,320
connection shall be constructed to the
specifications of the city engineer.

954
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:32,960
That part was stricken but it lists the
whole section. So yeah one through five

955
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:36,320
with back in if that makes
>> then same thing with the day restore

956
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:41,440
original. Is that right?
>> Yeah.

957
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:44,880
» And maybe with K as well.
>> Yes. Yes.

958
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:50,640
» And we have M
>> M

959
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:52,719
» all of that all stays.
O.

960
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:57,985
» Yeah.
>> Oh, wait. Page. You are

961
01:19:55,965 --> 01:19:57,985
[clears throat]

962
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:04,719
» S is has a bunch freaking out. It says
street name. No street name shall be

963
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:07,719
used without fire approval by the
county.

964
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:15,400
» Do you know with the county approval, do
they go to the fire department? Any

965
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:21,360
street
>> street names? Yeah.

966
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:24,719
names would probably be counties.
>> It says, this just says county because

967
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:28,800
where I came from, they went to the fire
department as well because when people

968
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:33,120
got money, fire department would say it
either rhymes or it sounds too close,

969
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:37,080
you know, if it causes confusion. So,
they used to work fire department.

970
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:47,520
I know Venita, no Thai, um any of those
places, I always get a deal saying, you

971
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:49,920
know, does the street name conflict with
anything else?

972
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:53,679
» Gotcha.
>> And none of them affect us.

973
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:57,360
» Okay.
>> So, not to get ahead of ourselves, but

974
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:01,120
on the next page, we have W and X that
are also restored,

975
01:20:58,719 --> 01:21:01,120
» right?

976
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:16,000
Mayor Beth on um section I the street
alignment connections I still have it in

977
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:20,080
place alignment and shall be constructed
to the specifications of the city

978
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:24,520
engineer you said that is
>> shows that line strapped

979
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,520
» okay

980
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:31,760
» because I think at one point that's all
that said in the whole section was

981
01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:34,960
stricten I think and the recommendation
came back published you know standard

982
01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:42,400
and then
>> you can still have an engineer.

983
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:45,600
» So one one comment on restoring it back.
>> Yeah.

984
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:53,840
» Um
the language that you're restoring to is

985
01:21:50,560 --> 01:22:02,080
probably pretty outdated.
So, at some point you might want to

986
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:08,400
contact your city engineer and see if he
has updated language for each of these

987
01:22:06,719 --> 01:22:14,120
uh
sections, street alignment,

988
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:14,120
sidewalks,

989
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:20,679
intersection, dead end streets, etc.
that

990
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:30,800
and I guess that would lead into Jay
where typically

991
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:35,679
uh sidewalks, planters, bicycle lanes,
things of that nature are typically done

992
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:39,920
within the rightway and would be
construed as

993
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:44,000
public property. So why would the
adjacent property only be required to be

994
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:47,000
maintaining
sidewalks?

995
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:55,120
Okay. Oh, says master plan contract
and sidewalk curves and planners should

996
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:58,159
be continuously
obligation of the adjacent property.

997
01:22:57,679 --> 01:23:01,040
» Yep.
>> That's what

998
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:04,400
» So that
Yeah.

999
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:06,880
» So if you're going to build it, you're
going to own it and I'm going to have to

1000
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:10,719
maintain it.
>> No, you're going to build it in a public

1001
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:13,040
rightway and you're going to maintain it
in a public rightway.

1002
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:18,280
» Yeah.
>> We don't have any of this. It's not much

1003
01:23:14,639 --> 01:23:18,280
of a issue.

1004
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:25,360
We don't have a single piece of sides,
[clears throat]

1005
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:31,600
» but it's common. If it does, it's a
possibility to Reno does it. Eugene does

1006
01:23:28,719 --> 01:23:39,480
it. Uh, Reno makes you remove the snow.
Just somebody slips in the snow. You

1007
01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:39,480
have the problem. I don't live in Reno.

1008
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:46,000
No, that that's a you're right. You are
correct.

1009
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:51,600
the way it's word. I don't agree with
it. I think it's the city's problem. I

1010
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:56,880
do too.
>> I agree with Rich.

1011
01:23:53,360 --> 01:24:01,600
» They own it. I I don't own it. We have
them. If I'm paying the taxes on it,

1012
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:05,719
then I own it. So, if I own it, then I
can say who gets to walk on

1013
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:09,440
J,
>> right?

1014
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:13,840
» The irony is in a lot of cities.
>> Yeah. So they make the adjacent property

1015
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:17,040
owner respond
>> for the sidewalk regardless.

1016
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:20,639
» Yeah.
>> I mean if you have a tree that pushes

1017
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:23,120
» and the landscape strips too they're
mowing water.

1018
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:28,600
» Right. Exactly.
>> Yeah.

1019
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:28,600
» No. I'm not m

1020
01:24:30,639 --> 01:24:38,239
» I have city input here that takes care
of the whole problem.

1021
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:40,800
» Just says get rid of them.
me.

1022
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:44,679
» Not my words.
>> Okay, back.

1023
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:54,320
» So, we're back to striking section J.
>> Well, sounds like all the sections I say

1024
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:58,000
for store
probably need to be reviewed against

1025
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:01,360
whatever your current standard is out
there. It varies depending on where you

1026
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:04,719
are.
>> I mean, there's from a roadway design,

1027
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:09,360
there's nothing that jumps out. I mean,
it's this is crazy, man. like 500

1028
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:16,960
radiuses
turn around at the ends. You can 45 is a

1029
01:25:12,639 --> 01:25:22,320
reasonable radius. It's a big one,
>> but that makes sure the trash trucks and

1030
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:25,360
fire trucks can turn around back up.
It's not a bad.

1031
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:29,440
» Yeah, I was just going off statement
that if we're restoring to a previous

1032
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:33,440
version that it's probably updated. It
needs to be built against whatever the

1033
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:39,040
» it's updated and it's a little bit
clunky. So your city engineer may have

1034
01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:43,679
some more adequate language that's more
current. And there's also some

1035
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:50,080
references in here to the master road
plan which is misnomer. It should be

1036
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:52,320
master transportation
plan.

1037
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:56,400
» So we get this one reviewed by the
engineer. Come back to it after we get

1038
01:25:54,159 --> 01:26:00,800
input from them.
>> It's up to you.

1039
01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:08,400
I mean this this language I know is is
really quite old. So if

1040
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:10,320
» what's the name of the plan now
transportation plan?

1041
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:13,679
» I think it's transportation
>> transportation

1042
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,040
» is the new name.
>> Okay

1043
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:18,440
» is the correct name
>> really. Okay.

1044
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:26,400
» And if we're going to do that which
sections did you want me to submit? I

1045
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:31,440
don't want to just throw a bunch at them
because they're not

1046
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:34,600
[clears throat]
would be

1047
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:41,639
I think this session was on

1048
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:46,440
let's see

1049
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:56,679
transportation standards 155.3.410 for
one. Okay. I think all this is in one,

1050
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,239
» right?
>> I see.

1051
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:07,320
» Okay.
>> And that's got all the street widths and

1052
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:07,320
lengths and turn around and that's

1053
01:27:08,719 --> 01:27:17,760
curves and yeah
that's private. Okay. Then we can

1054
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:21,520
probably jump forward to the next page,
go to 120 public use areas, and then

1055
01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:26,719
we'll just let it expert review that
section,

1056
01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:32,719
come back to it if we get comments
or changes.

1057
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:34,800
» We'll just we'll jump up to 120 since
110 to the

1058
01:27:33,679 --> 01:27:37,520
» Yeah, absolutely.
>> And then [clears throat]

1059
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:43,120
whatever recommendations, we'll go back
on that. Does that make sense for

1060
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:46,600
everybody? Okay. And so age 113 for me.
Uh 155.3.4.120

1061
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,360
public use areas.

1062
01:27:53,465 --> 01:27:55,485
[clears throat]

1063
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:04,639
» A big simplification. We deleted a whole
bunch of words.

1064
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:07,639
the dedication from the existing
constitutionalities

1065
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:15,639
for
city playgrounds and other public use

1066
01:28:12,639 --> 01:28:15,639
areas

1067
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:28,360
and the next questions 13 sanitary sewer
and water service approved.

1068
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:37,040
But I think this is
uh to Geneva's point

1069
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:43,199
section 130 sanitary sewer and water a
is water supply all shall be served by

1070
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:49,679
state approved water supply period
covers all the possibilities

1071
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:53,520
and then B sanitary sewer all served by
sewage disposal system that conforms to

1072
01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:58,800
city county and state department of
environmental quality data and currently

1073
01:28:56,480 --> 01:29:03,360
everything inside the city would the
onsite

1074
01:29:00,719 --> 01:29:06,800
uh the generic term would be is that
what system

1075
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:10,719
» so under B do we need to be more
specific because when you say all lots

1076
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:14,639
shall be served by a sewage disposal
disposal system that conforms to city

1077
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:19,440
county and state department
environmental quality standards that

1078
01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:23,199
doesn't mean it's been certified by the
county that have isn't that the big

1079
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:26,400
question
>> no the county is only a change in use

1080
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:30,080
» okay
>> that we we require ired for the

1081
01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:33,280
short-term rentals. For everybody else,
it's a simple inspection. You know, five

1082
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:36,159
things now inspected.
>> Okay. And they they couldn't even get a

1083
01:29:34,639 --> 01:29:39,520
building permit without
>> right. It goes in.

1084
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:45,440
» Yeah, that's right. Okay.
>> And then there is a small possibility

1085
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:50,719
that someday we see a tiny package plant
where septic isn't working out. You you

1086
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:56,920
could see a tiny but it would still was
black because it's something that

1087
01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:56,920
wouldn't be

1088
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:02,840
That takes us to 140 storm drainage
improvements

1089
01:30:04,719 --> 01:30:11,600
just points to
>> and says go to 141.

1090
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:17,719
» No, sorry.
Yeah.

1091
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:17,719
Chapter 141 service water management

1092
01:30:19,679 --> 01:30:23,639
and 150 is utilities

1093
01:30:23,679 --> 01:30:28,520
meaning not water underground utilities.

1094
01:30:41,679 --> 01:30:51,040
So this requires new to serve the lot is
underground unless throw 50,000 volts

1095
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:57,000
and then it can be above ground
for partitions, subdivisions, PUDs and

1096
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,000
commercial.

1097
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:06,679
Anybody go in there?

1098
01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:17,400
because
everything going backwards is all above

1099
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:17,400
ground. So we're we're 90% above

1100
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,360
going forward.

1101
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:34,280
Yeah. Yeah. Get in distribution
transmission. It's an expensive

1102
01:31:30,928 --> 01:31:34,280
[clears throat] barrier.

1103
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,960
Easter.

1104
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:23,159
DM 116
should be city code instead of just city

1105
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:33,239
» 116. Oh,

1106
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,800
um

1107
01:32:38,719 --> 01:32:46,320
I did a reading about meters. So, we now
have for anybody on Dune City water

1108
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:51,520
rights, we have a meter.
So, is this section because it says

1109
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:56,159
electric meters and water meters. Do you
know of problems reading meters? Is what

1110
01:32:54,320 --> 01:33:00,400
is what we're doing working organ water
system installed? I have not

1111
01:32:59,679 --> 01:33:04,320
» as far as I know
>> when you pull building permit and then

1112
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:08,960
they read them and they report back. So,
so as far as you know

1113
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:13,600
» heard that there's any big problem.
>> The only problem would be the fact that

1114
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:19,440
to have somebody go read them outweighs
the amount of money we get from the

1115
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:23,040
actual rights from why everybody's had
to update theirs so that it's all

1116
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:28,000
electronic now.
>> Yeah. I'll have to visit that because we

1117
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:34,000
did a year ago and it sounds like we're
still short. We'll visit that in the

1118
01:33:29,679 --> 01:33:39,199
budget mean when that starts up.
>> This is okay. But we don't know of any

1119
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:44,320
problem. So
>> funding bridge because that was still

1120
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:46,239
e
city inspections. Is that section you're

1121
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:52,960
looking at
>> near the inspection? City inspection

1122
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:56,760
should be uh satisfied of the city code,
not just the city.

1123
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:05,639
The improvement shall be inspected
during construction

1124
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:05,639
when satisfaction is ceased

1125
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:18,159
and applicable code
is you could condition that are not

1126
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:21,159
code. Which one are you on? to the
inspection.

1127
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:30,880
190 is the installation section and then
you get to

1128
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:34,440
and this is for utilities.
Well, my plan

1129
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:50,280
is the city
adopted code.

1130
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:13,440
Then indeed, not about city inspections
at all. It's about survey monuments that

1131
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:17,679
were disturbed.
It says it'll be restored by a surveyor.

1132
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:22,159
I think that should be its own subject.
We've got city inspection, engineer

1133
01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:25,760
certificate, and ad build. And I think
we should have the survey monument that

1134
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:30,239
should be restored by licensed survey or
something because it doesn't fall.

1135
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:33,920
» Can we make Can we make that E and then
engineer certification?

1136
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:37,120
» Sure,
that makes sense. Keeps them in order.

1137
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:41,920
» Can you repeat that, please?
>> Yeah. In the the last sentence in city

1138
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:46,800
inspection is about survey monuments. It
says monuments disturbed by improvements

1139
01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:49,280
will be replaced by a licensed surveyor.
That has nothing to do with the city

1140
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:56,719
inspections. It should be its own
section for survey monuments. We'll make

1141
01:35:52,000 --> 01:36:00,239
that E. Survey monuments disturb will be
I mean the same exact words. It just

1142
01:35:58,239 --> 01:36:04,080
should be E and then F will be engineer
certificate anodes.

1143
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:11,960
» Okay.
Call E monuments period.

1144
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:11,960
» Yeah, there you go. E

1145
01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:21,880
and then put that same sentence
and that makes perfect

1146
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:38,836
and then surface water management see
chapter Excellent.

1147
01:36:36,816 --> 01:36:38,836
[clears throat]

1148
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,360
All right.

1149
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:04,159
That takes us to solar access and get
some

1150
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:06,880
» pointed comments on solar access. That's
>> I thought you decided to delete that

1151
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:10,639
whole sentence.
>> I I think we did. We We had it in the

1152
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:16,000
discussion, but we hadn't gotten to it
because it talks about permanent

1153
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:20,320
permanent protection for solar
yet the trees continue to grow and the

1154
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:25,360
shade moved and
>> it's not exactly

1155
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:31,760
the best location in the in the United
States for solar panels. So,

1156
01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:37,119
» and then we're also wanting to maintain
a a right not trees and not cut the

1157
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:42,159
trees. So we got a lot of shade which
sucks for penders. So

1158
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:45,119
» yeah the priorities trees are more
important than solar

1159
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:48,960
» and I think I mean just like all
ordinances right you go looking for all

1160
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:54,400
the good stuff out there and this is
somebody else's idea um when there's

1161
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:57,600
federal dollars to do it. I just don't
think that's

1162
01:37:56,000 --> 01:38:01,280
» not saying you can't have it if you want
it right. It's just not being protected

1163
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:06,639
in perpetuity.
>> That part is in order. I don't think we

1164
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:09,639
need it.
>> Yep.

1165
01:38:10,719 --> 01:38:17,199
» Wow. That was a lot of pages.
>> Yeah.

1166
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:20,000
» Motion cut it off
in the evening.

1167
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:25,239
» What?
I felt like Fox had a go there. Thank

1168
01:38:22,239 --> 01:38:25,239
you.

1169
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:32,480
» 154 application review procedures. We
start there [clears throat]

1170
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:37,840
next meeting.
>> Uh September 3rd, correct?

1171
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:42,239
Oh, we need a second on that, do we? No,
we're just we're just Any other comments

1172
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:46,080
from the public before we close the
public hearings? We're we're through

1173
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:50,800
155.3. Go ahead, John.
>> I just have a an invitation for

1174
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:55,600
everybody. Um, the Wing Plus
presentation is having a picnic this

1175
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:59,199
Saturday night. Hang on. This is still a
public hearing.

1176
01:38:56,159 --> 01:39:05,119
» Oh, I'm sorry.
Okay. So, no other comments? Anybody

1177
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:09,320
else on chapter 155? We'll close the
public hearing at 7:39

1178
01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:17,600
and
we will start up on page 126, give or

1179
01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:24,320
take, division 155.4, four application
and review procedures at the next city

1180
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:27,760
council meeting. Now,
we have a comment we should have got

1181
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:31,840
during
concerns earlier. Go ahead, you're on.

1182
01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:36,080
Sorry about that. No, that's okay.
You're on the planning commission, so

1183
01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:42,639
you get an extra 30 seconds.
Uh this Saturday, uh hot dogs,

1184
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:50,719
hamburgers, even veggie burgers at the
open meeting hall at 12:00.

1185
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:58,600
Good food and a whole lot of dessert.
>> So inviting everybody if they're hungry.

1186
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:58,600
Thank you.

1187
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:15,520
Okay, we're to item 12. For the good of
the order, dude, you got it.

1188
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:20,800
» Well, I did have something to say, but
I've been advised by I have powers to

1189
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:26,719
stand down on it, so I'm going to do
that.

1190
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:30,639
» Okay. Well, thanks for coming,
>> Rich.

1191
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:36,960
All right, Chris. No input. Thank you,
>> Larry. I've got some exciting news.

1192
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:44,880
» So, I'm gonna pass this down.
Uh, I'm happy to announce that Darlings

1193
01:40:42,239 --> 01:40:51,600
Resort and RV Park have been designated
FAA seplane base.

1194
01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:57,440
» Cool. So, what we've done,
we've restored the history here in this

1195
01:40:54,560 --> 01:41:02,480
place. Uh I think was was it Bob Jackson
who ran the sequel news? Anybody know?

1196
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:06,080
» No, that was from I don't think he had
seen

1197
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:09,360
» No, but I mean did he operate the base?
Cuz I saw his

1198
01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:12,400
» marina for many years.
>> So he would have been respons.

1199
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:19,199
But anyway,
>> yeah,

1200
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:27,280
» the seine base of what here and in FAA
language it's known as five J as in John

1201
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:34,560
2. So, a pilot speak that's 5 Juliet 2.
And so, between Rich and I, we prepared

1202
01:41:30,639 --> 01:41:40,800
an FAA application to restore that SE
plane base with a water runway

1203
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:44,960
realignment. It used to be close to the
waterfront hotel.

1204
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:49,760
Oh, thank you very much. It used to be
over there by the waterfront hotel and

1205
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:53,920
we've moved it. If you look at this map,
it's now running straight up towards

1206
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:58,920
Don.
>> Do you see where they located that at

1207
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:58,920
onex?

1208
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:04,320
» Yeah, I see that.
>> We can't build a hotel.

1209
01:42:02,639 --> 01:42:07,760
» I'll show you a better way.
[clears throat]

1210
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:11,199
» That's uh that's a
>> I know.

1211
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:13,440
Don't worry about that.
>> I just noticed that.

1212
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:17,840
» Yeah, it's it's fixed.
>> So, we can't put any you look at this

1213
01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:23,199
map. If you look at this map, this is
where it's located at. Okay. So, the uh

1214
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:27,600
the exciting news is is that I've
reached out. It's already in a lot of

1215
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:32,239
the aviation charts and data and that
sort of thing. So, it's available for se

1216
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:37,760
plane pilots all over the place to see.
Uh but I've invited the uh state board

1217
01:42:35,679 --> 01:42:41,360
and department of aviation. They're
going to come out and inspect in a

1218
01:42:39,199 --> 01:42:44,560
couple of weeks. And so, I told him, I
said, "Come on out because we're going

1219
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:46,800
to go get some good barbecue at
Darland's."

1220
01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:50,560
» All right. and he'll come out and go,
"Yeah, there's a big lake and there's a

1221
01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:54,480
dock." And you know, he'll say that you
are now officially a sea plane base as

1222
01:42:52,800 --> 01:43:00,480
far as the state of Oregon is concerned.
So, this is pretty exciting news. And I

1223
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:05,119
want to thank uh Greg and Jan Murphy who
also assisted because there needed to be

1224
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:07,600
cooperation between the two SE plane
bases. They

1225
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:11,840
» I was going to ask there still is a
designated movie. Correct. If there is

1226
01:43:09,679 --> 01:43:17,840
Jan Greg and Jan Murphy operated SE
plane base so we had to coordinate with

1227
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:19,199
them to have non-conlicting traffic
patterns

1228
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:23,520
» right
>> and among SE plane pilots we talk to

1229
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:28,719
each other just like general aviation
pilots talk to each other so we have a

1230
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:32,800
coordination of things we do to
coordinate air traffic and avoid

1231
01:43:30,480 --> 01:43:40,159
conflicts and that sort of thing. Uh so
it's pretty exciting news and uh uh for

1232
01:43:36,239 --> 01:43:46,320
my part I'm I'm hoping that we will have
a a sponsored splash in a splash in is a

1233
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:51,119
an event where you invite SE plane
pilots all over the western US. There

1234
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:55,280
are some big big events that are already
held in in the western US. There's one

1235
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:58,880
up in Tanglefoot which is up there in
the northern part of Washington State

1236
01:43:57,040 --> 01:44:03,760
and Idaho. There's another one at Clear
Lake in California. And these are folks

1237
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:10,560
that will fly in and take advantage of
our local motel and restaurants and do

1238
01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:14,800
tours and that sort of thing. And I
think it'll be a lot of fun.

1239
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:20,800
» So, one of the things that we'll have to
work on is there's a if there's a lot of

1240
01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:26,000
sea planes, we have to find a way to
move them around. And they sometimes

1241
01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:30,159
call those goat boys
like buoy.

1242
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:35,840
So sometimes we have more than one
airplane trying to dock his engine out

1243
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:39,119
» and you bring him in as with a taxi
boat. But I think it's going to be very

1244
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:41,679
exciting and
>> it took about about what six months I

1245
01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:43,440
think.
>> Yeah.

1246
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:48,400
» To get this approved. So it's pretty
exciting. And you'll see on the

1247
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:55,159
registration page that Darling Marina
Resort RV Park is the owner and I'm his

1248
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:55,159
designated manager.

1249
01:44:55,199 --> 01:45:01,080
But anyway, I think it's great news.
Yeah.

1250
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:07,119
» Okay. And Susan says, "Not feeling
well." She chimed on or [clears throat]

1251
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:13,280
logged off.
So that's all the comments. I need a

1252
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:17,119
motion to adjourn.
>> Thank you, Chris.

1253
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:22,239
» Thank you, Rich.
>> All those in favor?

1254
01:45:19,679 --> 01:45:29,280
» That's unanimous.
7:45 p.m.

1255
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:29,280
will be involved. But when we found it,