1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:09,600 11th Select board meeting are we 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:16,040 on so we are Select board meeting for August 11th. 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:20,160 Uh just a quick rundown of our agenda. Uh meeting is called to order. Public 4 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:25,120 comments. Uh the item three is approval of prior 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:29,880 meeting minutes. Item four will be a one-day liquor license. 6 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:36,600 Uh item five is comprehensive energy management plan. 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:42,280 Six is uh inspectional service fees. And seven a safe harbor status 8 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:47,680 recommendation. Eight is a discussion around a forestry 9 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:52,760 truck pack purchase acquisition. Nine is FY 28 budget. 10 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:59,280 Uh topics not anticipated by the chair and 11 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,720 adjournment. So 12 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:08,640 Um getting started. Call to order. Anybody in the public? 13 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,080 » I don't think so. >> Okay. 14 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:18,640 Approval of meeting minutes from the July 28th 15 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,600 select board meeting. >> Move to approve the minutes of July 16 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,120 28th, 2026. >> Do we have a second? 17 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,080 » Second. >> All in favor. 18 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,480 » Aye. >> Duty. 19 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:44,160 Okay. One day liquor license >> [snorts] 20 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:44,160 » for a wedding at Hamp Massa Hall. 21 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,280 » And it looks pretty straightforward. >> Very good. 22 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:54,520 » Sue Day of the application is fully completed, fees received, etc., etc. 23 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:57,520 » No, the fees have not been received. Um they would they're received after you 24 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,320 approve. >> Okay. 25 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:04,160 » Um but I did want to make you aware that I am the tips 26 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:10,520 um thing in there expired, so I did reach out to ask them for an updated um 27 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:14,120 so maybe your motion is contingent on >> Okay. 28 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,120 » that um 29 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,640 Was there anything else you think? >> Just the end time. I have 30 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:25,040 » The end time. >> in the draft motion I have a 2-day um 31 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:29,040 like a 6-year 6 hours of drinking from 5:00 to 11:00, but um 32 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,600 we don't have an end time that they've provided. 33 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,880 » Well, we don't have I mean we can't leave it open-ended. 34 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:41,120 » No, I did reach out I reached out to the Y and she the 35 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:44,080 people having a wedding. Um but it was you know, just a couple of hours ago, so 36 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,959 » Okay. >> Mhm. 37 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:51,560 Okay. >> The wedding is set for August 38 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,560 » August 22nd. 39 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:58,240 So in the motion that I've just a draft motion, does that um 40 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:02,480 a number of conditions, one being a completed application would require 41 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:06,800 forms and documents required fee 42 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:11,600 um proof of insurance and it also is contingent um upon approval review and 43 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:14,080 approval by the police and fire chiefs and subject to any conditions that they 44 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,040 may >> Okay. 45 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:22,480 » put forward as well. And the only the only question really 46 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:27,000 for me I guess is the 8:00 end time, but >> Yeah, we have the insurance and all that 47 00:03:24,239 --> 00:03:27,000 insurance. 48 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,360 » We have a motion. >> We do. 49 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,959 Do we have any other questions before we move on? 50 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:43,239 » No. >> I move to approve the request from 51 00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:48,000 Christina Bayer for a 1-day liquor license for the state of 52 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:54,240 the sale of wine and or malt beverages for a wedding at Camp Nawakwa on 53 00:03:49,640 --> 00:04:00,880 Saturday, August 22nd, 2026 from 2:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. 54 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:04,080 subject to the following conditions. One, delivery of and receipt of 55 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:08,959 completed application, required forms, and documents. Two, delivery of and 56 00:04:06,959 --> 00:04:13,160 receipt by the licensing authority of the required fee. 57 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:16,880 Third, delivery of and receipt by the licensing authority of proof that the 58 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:21,480 alcohol will be purchased from an authorized source. 59 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:24,600 Fourth, delivery of and receipt by the licensing authority of proof of 60 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,560 insurance. Lastly, proof that the applicant can 61 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:32,480 receive proper delivery, provide proper storage, and disposal of all alcoholic 62 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:37,680 beverages purchased in accordance with the requirements of general law 63 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:41,360 chapter 138. The board's approval is contingent upon 64 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:44,480 review and approval by the police chief and fire chief in the compliance with 65 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,919 any additional conditions they may impose. 66 00:04:45,919 --> 00:04:48,320 » Okay. All in favor? 67 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,640 » I vote >> Aye. 68 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:59,600 » Good. Item number five, comprehensive 69 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:04,640 emergency management plan. 70 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,080 Fire chief is with us. >> You going to read this whole thing to 71 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,600 us? >> Do you need all this thing? 72 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:15,600 Cuz we can't read ourselves. 73 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:19,680 » I mean, basically, it hadn't been the last time that it was updated was 2000 74 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,600 uh 2. 75 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:26,240 So, we were quite behind on it. Um 76 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,640 Basically, just got with FEMA and updated something that they use now. 77 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,600 » Mhm. >> But they're trying to get everybody on, 78 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:36,080 so just kind of coincided with what we do. 79 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:40,360 Just work with them and get us up to the date. I think the biggest change 80 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:45,720 There's a few changes, but um most notably, I guess, we moved the the 81 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:49,760 EOC and RC location to Um that's the have an operation center 82 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:53,520 from the town hall to the police station is more secure. 83 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,760 We can use this still as a backup and then just identify 84 00:05:55,240 --> 00:06:03,760 points of distribution if we have supplies and 85 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:07,240 shelter areas, things like that. So, it's about 80 something pages, so it is 86 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:11,080 quite a bit there, yes, but it is shorter than the last one. The last 87 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,680 one's they found the one that was very 88 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:17,600 cumbersome, so they used they tried to get so they were trying to get everybody 89 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,040 on the ease so that people can come in and we need help people in the community 90 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,760 so that everybody can come in and they kind of 91 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:27,040 familiar with how that plan goes. So, I mean, if anybody has any questions 92 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:29,240 specifically, I mean, you've been working on this for a long time, haven't 93 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,640 you? Yeah. 94 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:40,480 So, is it mostly just sort of like state statute stuff or is it really 95 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:43,720 catered specifically to Dunstable and the surrounding towns? They really we 96 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,520 kind of just they give you a template and we kind of build it out the way we 97 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,120 want. >> Yeah. 98 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,200 » So, just kind of hits the marks that they're looking for and then we kind of 99 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:54,000 just play with it however we, you know, decided and thought it was going to be, 100 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,240 you know, the best. It's a lot of it, like I said, is more 101 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,600 of, you know, identifying certain points, where are we going to, you know, 102 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,640 where where would we bring water and if we need bottled water, where is that 103 00:07:01,919 --> 00:07:06,400 going to get and just distributed and how are we going to 104 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,240 things like that. So, who's going to be in charge of that? Yeah. And then make 105 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,120 sure we got everything, the phone numbers, contact information, how are we 106 00:07:10,919 --> 00:07:15,520 going to get in touch with everybody if there's an emergency. 107 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,360 Where are we all going to get together and and how are we going to communicate 108 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,880 from there and things like that. So, >> Okay. 109 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:26,840 Well, thank you for doing this. It's a big task. Yeah. 110 00:07:23,919 --> 00:07:26,840 I'm sure you're glad to 111 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:34,320 » Yeah, what So, what's our path forward here? 112 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:37,760 This thing's going to this as a document that's going to reside someplace, right? 113 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:42,720 It's going to have a log in and then are we going to do like some 114 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:46,480 training or how or does this What what's our path forward with with 115 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:51,760 » The challenge is that we don't have to have that you know with us documents we 116 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:55,120 can update um The state has it we don't have it on 117 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:59,920 record so that that they can use it at any time we can resolve them if we if we 118 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:03,440 need to. We have talked about um looking into maybe getting some kind of 119 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:08,440 something to do you want some kind of tabletop exercises or you know live 120 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:12,200 exercises things like that um What we did we talked about maybe 121 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:17,480 getting doing um it was five below we originally said I said maybe we could 122 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:21,040 do quarterly or annual uh drill and then before we could even get into any of 123 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:24,120 that we had the issue with uh Sky Meadow. 124 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,960 So we ended up kind of basically running that night it kind of 125 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,520 turned into a a drill so >> Yeah. 126 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:34,159 » it it ended up uh you know we we were able to to use this cuz it was it was in 127 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:37,120 play already as a draft. Um 128 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:40,080 So it really we can it sometimes we can do whatever we want with it from here. 129 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:43,800 We we're planning on on trying to do some kind of at least an annual training 130 00:08:42,719 --> 00:08:48,560 to get some of these things you know we have the we have the trailer uh 131 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:52,520 from from the state that we can you know work on deploying things like that. 132 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:55,120 We can set up the EOC thing you know like really 133 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,360 » Yeah. >> Was there anything um 134 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:02,320 you know from the the Sky Meadow incident that after the 135 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:05,440 fact you came back and said made some changes to this or 136 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,200 » The biggest thing was just we needed to reverse that on our own issue since 137 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,440 » Mhm right. >> the that was the the biggest 138 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,960 » Yeah. >> biggest 139 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,720 situation that we found out of that that being a problem. 140 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:22,040 » That was the major takeaway of us when we got a better way to communicate 141 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,480 people and there's no mention like that. >> Right. 142 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,720 » We didn't have any way to get >> We were doing our best. 143 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,360 » He did it. Saturday night at 9:00 and I called you 144 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,400 and I said oh boy. >> Yeah I mean 145 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,720 » Yeah we did pretty well we were able to scramble together and Susan did a great 146 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:39,320 job she got everything out there and a A of people you know got the word fast So, 147 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,960 I I think it it out well, but there's certainly a better way to do it, which 148 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:45,240 is, you know, doing it in reverse than on one sheet of paper. That's 149 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:50,360 » Yeah, a lot of people just text trail. You can hop in and up and down Hardy 150 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,360 Street, basically, but yeah. 151 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,440 » But if you don't have access to the internet, you don't have access to the 152 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:58,680 website or something like >> Right. It would be an idea. 153 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,680 » Yeah. Yeah. 154 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:06,760 And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Chief, but I think having a current 155 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:11,600 plan in place will help us but it potentially help us get resources 156 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:15,640 that we currently don't have access to, even in 157 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:19,200 terms of funding for training and things like that. 158 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,200 » Yeah. Yeah, okay. 159 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:27,080 Well, I hope through this by the way, it came out as a draft. So, unless there's 160 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,120 any significant changes >> Yeah, there was only minor changes. I 161 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,840 think we we just, you know, changed some dates, some titles, things like that. 162 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,320 So, it's pretty pretty [clears throat] much the same as it was when the draft 163 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,120 came out. >> Okay. 164 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,360 Well, I >> I think I'll feed back to you guys. 165 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:43,360 That's been >> Yeah, we both forwarded 166 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:47,440 » Yeah, yeah, we all feed back. I I placed it there and reset it out and I 167 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,560 think everybody was was good with it, so. 168 00:10:48,839 --> 00:10:53,960 » All right. >> And there was a process. We want to talk 169 00:10:51,839 --> 00:10:58,000 about the process briefly. Just like, you know, we had a couple meetings. We 170 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:01,120 had kind of we got stakeholders together for feedback and input. 171 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,640 » Yeah. Yeah, we got everybody together and 172 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,240 kind of showed them what the template involved and and like 173 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:10,200 » And I had this couple meetings with them and me and myself um getting it started 174 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,560 and then we just kind of came in and said, "This is This is what the 175 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,480 information that we need, what, you know, what 176 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:20,480 Like we said, "This is the template, but is there anything else that needs to be 177 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:24,160 added?" Um and so, we just, you know, had the police chief had a few things 178 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:27,680 and and um I think, you know, I think 179 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:33,000 uh board of health, maybe. Um so, we just kind of incorporated, you know, 180 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:35,800 those Dawson specific things to to it then. 181 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:39,240 Once everybody was good with it here, we sent the draft to Nina. They went live 182 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,760 on the website. Once we have a draft, they can do that. So, 183 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:46,920 they got it into play with them. And basically, we 184 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:50,120 just It was kind of the next after everybody 185 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:53,360 was good with it, which they have been. Next step was to bring it here and have 186 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:56,400 you sign off on it and let me know. 187 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:00,680 Go back and email me and go over the complete levels 188 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:05,440 and all. That's the document itself, so the draft. 189 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:09,040 » Okay. And 190 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:12,760 we you just want us to vote? >> Yes, please, if you will. 191 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,120 » I'm good with it. Yeah, it was well done. 192 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:21,760 » All right. I move to approve the comprehensive 193 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:26,720 emergency management plan as presented. >> I second. 194 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:32,760 » Second. All in favor? Aye. >> Good. Thanks, Chief. Good job. 195 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:35,400 » Six. Item six. >> Is that a question? 196 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,320 » You can. >> So, it's the fire chief's here? 197 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,400 » Yeah. >> Do we want to take Would you 198 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,560 » Or you want to do eight? >> Yeah, we do. 199 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:47,160 » It's No, actually, I was wondering if we could hang it. 200 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,640 Make them indoor or outdoor. You can do that, too. 201 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:59,560 » No, we can. Um we have um we'll we'll take this out of sequence, which is 202 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:04,200 a discussion regarding an approval of a fire truck purchase. So, 203 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:08,160 Chief, why don't you just walk us through 204 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:12,440 all of this? >> It's probably the grant, right? 205 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,720 The grant. This This money you I think you got the grant for. 206 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:18,160 » Yeah, so we've come to you before to have you uh 207 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:22,080 approve the last contract with Allegiance Fire Apparatus. 208 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:26,760 Um strangely enough, however, they called one day and they said that they 209 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:30,040 found that they could not I guess they're doing 210 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,880 What they were doing with us was instead of 211 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:37,000 we had them build this truck at my factory in Wisconsin. It was going to 212 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:41,560 fit 20 foam blocks, which is probably going to have to see the grant 213 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:44,600 for that. It was going to be more money than we had gotten for the you know, we 214 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,800 got $300,000 for the grant. This was going to end up being more money. So, 215 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:51,240 it's going to be more money, it was going to take more time. They said what 216 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:55,760 they had just started doing was uh building 217 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:59,320 at a dealer in Massachusetts. And they could do that in 10 month build 218 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:03,840 time for you know, under the $300,000. So, 219 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:07,760 we thought that that was going to be the best the best option. 220 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,320 Signed a contract with them and everything looked like it was good to 221 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,720 go. And then they called and they actually said that they had been doing 222 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:17,160 these and we had to we had to get permission from FEMA to make sure that 223 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:22,000 that they were able to do it because FEMA has, you know, rules on how these 224 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:25,320 how they are built and everything. So, we were under the impression that FEMA 225 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,840 had said yeah, they they could build you know, not in the factory, they could 226 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:32,080 build at the dealership. Uh one of the things that it has to meet 227 00:14:29,839 --> 00:14:36,320 is NFPA requirements. So, everybody assumed that 228 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:39,480 that was that kind of was the assumption that went kind of with the same that it 229 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,200 was that it would be meeting NFPA qualifications. Well, come to find out 230 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,720 when they called me the other day and said, "Well, we built a couple of these. 231 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:50,480 We did not build them to NFPA specifications cuz we can't at the 232 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:54,839 dealer. They can only do it in the factory." 233 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:58,680 And they had uh told the place and said they got the kickback. So, um at that 234 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:02,360 point, you know, we kind of said, "Well, I mean, how come you didn't tell us this 235 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:07,160 ahead of time?" But, thankfully, it was it was pretty early in the process. 236 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:10,960 So, at that point, we were kind of uh they went back and they were looking at 237 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:15,600 uh some other options. Um we looked at trying to get maybe a 238 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:18,800 uh you know, a a truck that was that maybe somebody already had built, 239 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:22,680 but uh we couldn't find anything that was going to be maybe it fit the price, 240 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,200 but it didn't fit our our that we had. 241 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:29,760 So, not wanting to make really any concessions to what we were looking for, 242 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,840 we went back out and solicited uh 243 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,920 other companies to see if they could what they could come up with. So, we 244 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,360 came up with a company in Nevada called um 245 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,000 Rebel Brush Trucks. They do only brush trucks. 246 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:45,320 Whereas, the other company did, you know, all kinds of different fire 247 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,800 apparatus. So, these guys only deal with with the brush trucks. They're very 248 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:51,040 familiar with the process for our grants for getting 249 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:55,960 these. So, it was same truck, same price, and 250 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:59,960 actually shorter build time, 7 months. Uh they they've already gave us the date 251 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:03,720 March 1st of delivery date. So, >> Mhm. 252 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:06,920 » Um basically, we went back to um Allegiance and just said, you know, they 253 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,760 were they pretty much knew that it was coming. And so, we were 254 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:13,760 » Yeah. >> we just uh agreed everybody agreed to 255 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:17,320 to go with that contract. And I was moving on to another project. So, 256 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:22,000 » So, they're going to get it done >> They're getting it done. 257 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:26,839 » at the appropriate price and >> Appropriate price for our time. Good. 258 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:32,920 » Well, that's good. Glad that worked out. >> But the vendor is is is Rebel? 259 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,680 » Yes. >> Do you know them? I've never heard the 260 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,360 name. >> Yeah, I think they're out west. Like I 261 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,400 said, that's all they do is brush trucks. It's it's just a brush truck out 262 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:45,440 there. >> And 263 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:48,839 the PS deal, I mean, he's cuz I follow them, right? They 264 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:52,080 sold a bunch of those brush truck dealers, right? 265 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,920 » Yeah, but if this wasn't this wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't if it wasn't 266 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,520 in the grant. We were just buying a brush truck and 267 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:02,400 we could we could get it done. But they can't They have things to follow by. 268 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:05,880 It's like I have to give them a tilt. It's called tilt exams where they they 269 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,280 put it up on a like a big flatbed and they get 270 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,839 they have to lay down the truck to see how you know, what it's going to do with 271 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:15,120 it. So, but that was even We brought that up to them and said, "Can we build 272 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,400 it and send it to the factory?" But we just said, "Well, what happens if you 273 00:17:16,199 --> 00:17:22,319 build it and send it to the factory and it doesn't 274 00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:24,800 at that point, we said you know um Look at that one I just got on Sunday it 275 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:28,240 just does this you know >> Yeah yeah it's interesting. 276 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:34,600 » Absolutely. >> Well the good thing is we caught it. 277 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:38,120 Because if we did we'd be dealing with that. 278 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,920 » Yeah I don't I don't know what what you >> I don't know what you mean you know you 279 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:44,920 know you know >> a couple places they I guess that they 280 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:47,400 were too late on finding themselves so I don't know what's going to happen both 281 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,800 ways. Thankfully two of those they kind of 282 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,560 flagged ours and said hey by the way this doesn't look like we're going to be 283 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,920 able to but I I thought it did so let me say if it 284 00:17:54,960 --> 00:18:00,240 wasn't it wasn't a grand it'd be still doing the dollars it didn't have to 285 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:03,800 necessarily be flex but since it's a grand it even requires that if you don't 286 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,920 meet any of the specifications which I mean you'd want it either way they said 287 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,920 it to you you don't need that so >> Mhm. 288 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:14,160 Mhm. I didn't read through this and it was 289 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:18,120 what's the cab and chassis that the Ford for? 290 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:22,560 Gasoline or diesel engine? >> Diesel. We need a diesel. 291 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:27,680 400 gallons of water so it is it's going to have quite a bit more water than the 292 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:31,600 one we have now. 250 gallon we're going to go to the 400 293 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:36,680 gallon tank so that would be a small capability. 294 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:40,600 » Yeah it should be a diesel. All right. So 295 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:44,120 what the board's being asked to do is essentially void the 296 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:47,000 vote that we signed with the region so then approve the contract the contract 297 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:49,520 with Rebel. >> Makes sense. 298 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:55,680 » Rebel's part of a cooperative purchasing agreement um that 299 00:18:52,480 --> 00:19:00,320 actually was um was procured through Oregon. 300 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,640 Um >> Oregon 301 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,920 » Association of League of Cities. Thank you. Oregon League of Cities. 302 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:11,080 And um under mass general law we're allowed to 303 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:17,160 as long as we followed public procurement process in with our rules. 304 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:22,280 We're allowed to piggyback off of that contract. So, that's that's the plan for 305 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,280 Brighton. 306 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:27,520 » Um, this is a minor detail, but they are 307 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:32,720 they're going to paint the cab, but they're going to put the Dunstable 308 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,720 detail on there? Yeah. 309 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,680 » We'll get We have a motion. >> I 310 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,760 » Okay. >> Yeah. 311 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:46,640 » Yeah, you got I propose these two motions. Haven't read them, but 312 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,840 » It's It's for the determination brightness down. 313 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,560 » Okay. Yeah. >> All right, we're good to go. 314 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,800 » Yeah. >> Move to void the sign quote with 315 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:58,200 Allegiance Fire and Rescue for the new forestry truck 316 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:02,520 for the fire department and approve entering into a contract with Rebel 317 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:07,920 Strike for the purchase of a new forestry truck for the fire department 318 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:12,200 in the amount of $284,600 and authorize the chair to sign the 319 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:15,600 contract on behalf of the board. >> Perfect. 320 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,000 » We have a second. All in favor? >> Aye. 321 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:27,840 » I agree. Should be done. >> All right, we're going to go back up now 322 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:29,880 to item six, which is a permit fee discussion. 323 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:33,360 » I vote. >> Right. 324 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:41,040 » Permit fee discussion for building gas, construction building gas, 325 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:41,040 and plumbing permit increases. 326 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:49,920 » What is your pleasure? >> Right. Well, so you have in your packet 327 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:54,320 to the actual fee schedule because printing them out 328 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:57,880 it was difficult to see. Um, 329 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:03,960 so you'll see in the big table that is basically 330 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:10,560 2025, which is the last time the building fees were updated versus what 331 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:15,440 I'm proposing. So, um, um I kind of split this out into three, but 332 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:20,880 really what I did was I looked at all permits really trending since 2021, 333 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:24,080 so the last 5 years. Um 334 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:30,280 and in addition to building being increased for fiscal year 25, 335 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:34,720 previously previously to that, they were um adjusted in 2020. And that is the 336 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:38,000 last time gas and plumbing have also been um touched as well as electrical. 337 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,400 » So, it's 6 years, really? As well as electrical. 338 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:45,840 » Yeah. Yeah. So, um these fee proposals are just for 339 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:50,080 building, gas, and plumbing. Um I did share 340 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:55,480 a couple drafts with both Dana from the building perspective and uh John Ryan 341 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:59,880 for plumbing and gas. Um John gave me some feedback. I hadn't 342 00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:03,520 heard back from Dana, um but we went back and forth, John and I, a little bit 343 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,560 with the plumbing and gas cuz he felt like they could use even more of a lift 344 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:12,200 than what I'd done. So, I don't know how deep you want to go 345 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:17,840 into it, but um if you look at kind of building, it's been roofing kind of 346 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:21,640 leading the charge. Solar is definitely um 347 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:27,000 you know, climbing. And then um alterations is a huge one, and I 348 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:33,520 think we're really kind of missing out on I also compared this to 349 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:36,480 um our new fees to Botetourt, Culpeper, and Warrenton. 350 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:41,240 Um I bounced in a couple times, too. Um 351 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:47,160 from a building permit perspective, the fees that I'm recommend- recommending 352 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:52,560 still keep us in the mid to low range to the surrounding communities. Um 353 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:56,040 probably, if you look at the actual chart 354 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,960 for the building permit fees, you'll see that um 355 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:08,960 we changed the price from square footage, so that's for any kind of new 356 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:14,120 dwelling Um from 65 to 85 for new and 45 to 65 cents per square foot um 357 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:17,280 for all of these additional kind of projects. 358 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:21,360 Um for alterations 359 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:26,000 find it took a little bit of a different spin because it really kind of it broke 360 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:33,520 everything down by from a dollar to 5,000 or 2,000 dollars. 361 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:37,840 It was 25 and then it was 35, 45, 55. When I looked at the other communities, 362 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:43,600 they didn't kind of do that. They um really did a flat fee um up to 5,000 363 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:47,720 dollars and then it's, you know, per 1,000 dollars, whatever. It'd be 10 364 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:52,480 dollars, could be 12 dollars. So, that was kind of the change. Almost 365 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:57,320 all of the communities kind of went at it that way. 366 00:23:53,720 --> 00:24:02,120 So, um starting with a not including permit fees 367 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:05,880 um starting with the 75 dollar flat fee for any kind of alteration. And 368 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:10,400 alterations are based on construction costs, the value of construction. 369 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:16,240 So, every any kind of alteration would have an a 75 dollar flat fee and then 370 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:20,640 it's 12 dollars per 1,000 over 5,000 dollars. 371 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:26,000 So, um I did do some math on actual data. Um so, I took all of the 372 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:30,760 permits from last year for building, gas, and plumbing and I 373 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:36,560 applied the new fee versus the old fee. So, on the building side of of things, 374 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,960 um that's going to result in potentially Now, I don't have my glasses on, but you 375 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:43,080 know. So, like eight 376 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:48,080 8,797 dollars 377 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:52,840 um overall. So, it's really because focused on the um 378 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:58,160 these two, the new dwellings and new stuff and the alterations. 379 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,520 » I mean, it it a lot easier, that doesn't it? Just to have 380 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,320 » Yeah. Absolutely. 381 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:06,920 » a category of alteration versus new construction. 382 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:11,720 » I mean, really I kind of focused the increases on where we saw most of our 383 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:15,840 volume, too, right? So that it, you know, we're raising prices, but 384 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:20,080 we want to also see, you know, we're looking for 385 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:24,840 that additional revenue to cover the inspections and all of that. And that's 386 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,960 something that we don't build into this. >> Mhm. 387 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:30,240 » But, you know, there's there's the fee, the administrative fee, 388 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:33,720 but then on gas and plumbing side, especially, there's a lot of and 389 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,760 electrical, there's a lot of back and forth with the inspectors. 390 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,000 » Yeah. >> Yeah. 391 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:44,440 » Um permit fee, the permit link fee that has not changed at all over the couple 392 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:49,360 years, right? >> Um it changed 2 years ago. Yeah. 393 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,400 » It went up to 12. >> up to 12 from 10. 394 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:56,000 » To 10. Okay. 395 00:25:54,040 --> 00:26:00,600 » So for gas and plumbing, I mean, most of those stuff that we see, water heaters, 396 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:04,560 furnaces, and boilers, um 397 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:08,640 that's kind of the bulk of our um generators 398 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:12,880 of our volume. Um and again, you can see like it kind of it's a little general, 399 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:18,080 but you know, bathroom looks like bathroom renovations, new renovations, 400 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:21,320 replacement of tubs, stuff like that. Um the other category was kind of a 401 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:25,280 catch-all. Um and even though we kind of call out 402 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,680 that there is nothing, you know, PFAS is water filters are kind of trending up, 403 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,560 it dropped to zero. Some of that is 404 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:35,120 actually in the other um bucket. 405 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:39,600 Um so do the same thing with the plumbing and 406 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:42,920 gas, especially, the other plumbing. Community centers and you know, luckily 407 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:46,760 for us, down next to the community centers as well, so 408 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,760 um 409 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:56,200 Overall, a smaller increase in the annual revenue, $1,700. 410 00:26:53,120 --> 00:27:01,600 Um if the permits uh volume for gas and plumbing is also really 411 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,600 substantially less than building. 412 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,600 Any questions? 413 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:14,160 For the electric, I sent that to Peter Martin. Um 414 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:17,960 we had a lot of questions. He and I agree with him the way that the fees 415 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:24,280 for electric are confusing. Um so we kind of wanted to go back at it 416 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:28,200 and almost start from scratch um in how we're kind of doing it, calculating it, 417 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:32,840 as well as with the surrounding community. So I'm hoping we'll get 418 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:35,520 together before the fall um to go over that. 419 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,760 » Okay. All right. So you're not looking for 420 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:43,160 full of these, but still not >> Not for electric, just for building and 421 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,160 plumbing and gas. 422 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:49,960 But we don't I mean if you need time to look at it, I would. 423 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,960 No rush. 424 00:27:53,160 --> 00:28:00,040 » I guess my only thought just kind of thinking out here a little bit is 425 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,240 um on reinspections. 426 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,280 » Mhm. >> Right. 427 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:10,240 So >> For what in particular? Any one 428 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:14,800 » Anything. Any any of the reinspections. Um contractor calls and says, "Yeah, I 429 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:21,440 want my uh inspection tomorrow at 10:00." Inspector goes out there 10:00. 430 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:29,440 The guy didn't show up or the work's not done and now that is would trigger a a 431 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:36,000 reinspection fee. Okay. I just think 50 bucks is kind of 432 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:38,400 not a lot of money given the fact that >> Mhm. 433 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:43,560 » And I also don't know how many times I have. How many times do we have 434 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:46,960 reinspections because the contractor failed his inspection? I don't really 435 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,520 know. I don't >> I don't even have really have to go to 436 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:56,880 the uh either because the inspectors do all that themselves, right believe? Um 437 00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,160 So, yeah. >> Yeah. 438 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,640 » But, I did raise it to 75. >> Yeah. 439 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:11,000 » But, that is certainly something I can look into more and see if there's a way 440 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,320 to >> Sure. I was just going to 441 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:19,680 » It just It really is more of a question than anything else because it's just 442 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:23,960 » I I'll be honest, I haven't seen a re-inspection fee 443 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:28,360 show up on anything. So, I'm not sure if we're 444 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:33,440 if it's we are doing anything. >> Right. And that I mean that 445 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:37,920 hopefully the trades are all licensed and everybody's doing a 446 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:42,600 good job, right? Should they on average there shouldn't 447 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,840 be And then I have a I have a question 448 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,560 about maybe going to the left basin with the 449 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:56,280 um this issue regarding homeowner permits, 450 00:29:52,520 --> 00:30:00,560 right? And we voted to not allow that. It just It's It's for 451 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:04,240 » Yeah. As an aside, is that service for plumbing? Wasn't it for plumbing? 452 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,240 » Electrical. >> Um not that I'm aware of. Not that I'm 453 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:11,600 aware of. No. >> Not since that situation came up. 454 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:19,880 And Jason's allergies Dana's a stickler for 455 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,760 making sure the licenses are attached or he won't approve. 456 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,360 » Yeah. >> Yeah. Good. I haven't heard anything. 457 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:30,400 » Yeah, I haven't either. That's why I'm And you know, I just It was just a 458 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:33,280 question at that point. So, okay. 459 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:39,040 We have motion to We do that. 460 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:48,560 » Uh Uh I move to approve the fee increases as 461 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:51,720 proposed for building gas and plumbing permits as presented. 462 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:56,040 » Second. >> All in favor, aye. 463 00:30:54,160 --> 00:31:00,080 » You're still holding out on the meeting. >> Yeah. 464 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,840 Hopefully we'll be back in the fall. >> Thank you, Sue. 465 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:09,320 » All right. Moving on to 466 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,240 state harbor. 467 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:17,120 » The A 5 up. >> The 5 up one. 468 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,120 State harbor. 469 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,640 » So, the Affordable Housing Committee Chair, 470 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:27,720 Don Gius, had sent a select board an email about 471 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:31,400 applying for state harbor status um 472 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:37,000 based on the housing project 473 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:41,280 project of the my district. So, before it got forgotten at the last 474 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,880 select board meeting, I just wanted to put the put it on the agenda for 475 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:50,400 discussion. Um 476 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:56,120 I've never been through the state harbor application process. I'm not 477 00:31:52,960 --> 00:32:00,840 100% certain on how it goes and how it works. 478 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:04,040 I did have a chance to talk to Meg Harrell a little bit this today about 479 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,240 » Okay. >> the process and 480 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:13,080 their understanding of the process. And they 481 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:16,240 Um I talked to Jenny Murray and she did say that they 482 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:20,520 had kind of worked with another community in the in the district about 483 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:25,480 on this. Um the way she explained it to me was 484 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:29,720 that in order to use apply for state harbor, 485 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:35,480 it would it needs to be done within the same year the project 486 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:40,520 was approved locally. And so, if that's the case, then 487 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,720 we're out of luck. >> Right. 488 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,840 » Um so 489 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,240 I want to do a little more work on it. 490 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,120 » Yeah. >> But um 491 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,080 » I'd like to have better understanding. It's been a while since I read through 492 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:59,520 this on what I mean there's certain things that you need to have 493 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,280 approved like the housing protective plan. 494 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:06,800 You need to have projects in the works to 495 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,480 » Yeah, it needs to be a certain percentage. 496 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:14,520 » until you had building but it's been a while. I'm 497 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,520 » Yeah, it I remember most of it. 498 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:23,520 And it needs to be a certain percentage >> of your 499 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:26,320 » of your HSI HSI SHI um number. 500 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:31,120 So I know a little bit about it, but again, 501 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:34,240 I haven't I haven't done a lot. The only the only other 502 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:40,680 comment I would have is um you know, there is another 503 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:45,240 40B project that essentially the town endorsed and supported. 504 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:49,480 And if we were to seek safe harbor, it would 505 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:54,440 could I guess potentially um block a project that is kind of 506 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:57,760 universal in the worst way, which is a contradiction that could be considered I 507 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,320 think. Um 508 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,760 but other than that, I can go back and kind 509 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:08,360 of talk to the housing and affordable communities about 510 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,800 about the actual process >> Mhm. 511 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:12,840 » our eligibility and um 512 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:17,280 » Okay. >> and how we should go about doing it if 513 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:20,360 if that's the desire of the board. >> curious to to look into it and 514 00:34:18,919 --> 00:34:24,120 understand it a little bit better. >> Yeah, I'm like I'm absolutely doing the 515 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:28,240 same thing. We got to we got to get some 516 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:33,800 background information on this thing and pluses and minuses and 517 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:37,159 uh Uh, this I don't this doesn't I mean I understand I 518 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:41,480 I I think I understand it but I'm not really sure and I'd like 519 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:46,000 to get a little bit more information before we 520 00:34:43,879 --> 00:34:50,679 get into something that later on we're going to regret. 521 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,919 » Okay. Sounds good. I'll I will I'll get back 522 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,639 to you. >> Yeah. 523 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,480 » You okay with that? >> Yeah. 524 00:34:56,919 --> 00:34:59,640 » David? >> Yeah, I I think we need more 525 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,520 information. >> Yeah. 526 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,520 » Good. 527 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,200 » Um 528 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:13,600 » FY28 budget. >> We've spent a 529 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:16,920 long time on FY28 budget. >> One stop with the budget. Yeah, it's 530 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:21,960 great. >> Um I just wanted to update you on, you 531 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:27,280 know, the fact that the budget working group between Dunstable 532 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:31,920 and Groton school district has had one meeting 533 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:37,440 and has has another one scheduled for the last week of August. 534 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:42,760 Um right now there are budget deficits in both 535 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:46,000 Dunstable and Groton based on the growth of the school. 536 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:50,160 Um school district's assessment um 537 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,560 to level fund. And so 538 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:56,240 um I've been putting a fair amount of work 539 00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:02,240 into just kind of trying to accurately project revenues 540 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:06,360 and costs for FY20. And 541 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:11,080 trying to get a better handle on the what the real problem is at this point. 542 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:15,200 Um The last time I 543 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,440 the forecast was updated was during the budget 544 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,560 um creation process for FY27, this fiscal 545 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:26,680 year, and it showed a budget of $620,000 546 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,200 deficit. Um 547 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,920 based on my more recent work, it looks like that 548 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:38,000 number is going to be less, which is good. Um but it's still like fairly 549 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:42,520 sizable sizable number that we're going to have 550 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,520 to figure out how to have to go about dealing with it. 551 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:50,160 Um so what I'm doing now is I'm projecting 552 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:55,440 new revenues, I'm projecting expenses, and I'm trying to basically assign 553 00:36:53,720 --> 00:37:00,720 portion of the new to of the new revenues to the town and the schools and 554 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:05,960 determine where the deficit lies. Um at the moment, it appears that the 555 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:09,640 vast majority of the deficit is on the school side. The town side actually 556 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,400 » In good shape. >> Unlike 557 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:16,320 in two years ago, where we were carrying a deficit, I 558 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:21,520 think, for 2020. Um unless something And And it's very 559 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:24,640 early, so a lot of things can change. Um 560 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,480 unless something changes, it looks like we're pretty close um on the town side. 561 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,400 So um 562 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:35,200 that still doesn't address the underlying which is we have a deficit. 563 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:39,960 » Right. >> Figure out how to deal with the deficit. 564 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:44,960 So I think in um the end of August will be kind of 565 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:49,400 vetting out what our options are and trying to determine 566 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:53,040 to the extent we can at the end of August a path forward so that we can 567 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:58,240 start getting information out and um 568 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:04,160 educating people on what the situation is as soon as soon as possible. 569 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,120 » I mean, the good thing is that like the next meeting is the 26th. 570 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,600 » Yeah. >> And that should have some substance to 571 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:15,360 it. >> Definitely. 572 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:19,800 » I don't know. You I'm just questioning. What's I dad doing with all this? 573 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:24,200 » He's doing the same thing I am really right now. He's just basically um 574 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:31,600 narrowing down what the problem is and where it lies. And 575 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:36,080 I've only done we did for FY28. 576 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:40,880 Uh, there was conversation about looking like doing a three-year look ahead. 577 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:44,440 So, my next step is, which I haven't done yet, is kind of starting that 578 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,840 three-year look ahead so that so that FY29 and 30 what those then look 579 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:53,080 like. Um, and I think he's going to do the 580 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:59,360 same thing so we have similar data to talk about for both communities. 581 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:04,080 And, um, based on that, figuring out the path. 582 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:07,160 And then, I think following that meeting at the end of August, 583 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:11,480 we'll probably want to have a joint meeting 584 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,640 at least with select and advisory. >> Mhm. 585 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:18,920 » Um, and then, at some point not too 586 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:22,200 later after that, I both think we need to have everybody from the school 587 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,800 department brought in to kind of review everything. 588 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,240 » Mhm. >> Um, 589 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,120 so, I think that's what that's what they're 590 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:33,960 doing. >> I mean, I don't I mean, at some point, I 591 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:38,120 mean, they've gone out and they've already cut like 40 positions, roughly. 592 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,560 » Like the school district, yeah. >> Over the past 10 years. 593 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,040 » Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah. 594 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,440 » I mean, that's a significant reduction in staff. 595 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,600 » Yeah. >> And, you know, I 596 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:54,720 don't know where this is going to shake out, but the district is going to need 597 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,600 some new money and then just, um, Yeah. 598 00:39:55,362 --> 00:39:59,680 » [clears throat] >> It's, um, 599 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:05,200 » There's a lot of, you know, the other focus, obviously, has been 600 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:09,520 the Chapter 70 state education formula and 601 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:14,960 other ways, other pathways to really get that reformed um, or 602 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:18,520 seriously consider the reforms. And uh legislature did, 603 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,760 um you know, approved the creation of that 604 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,440 and creating a working group whatever they're calling it 605 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:29,160 to um start the work on that. The problem is, 606 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,960 you know, that's not going to be the recommendations from that group is not 607 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,480 going to be ready for next legislative year. So, 608 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,520 it's you know, 609 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,480 hopefully we have a year that we actually get 610 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:45,480 through and we have meaningful formula with 611 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:51,880 chapter 74 formula that helps all three of my districts and 612 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:56,240 including Dunstable and um maybe that alleviate some of the 613 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:59,800 the practices we've been feeling because of it. 614 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:03,480 » Do you think that's going to fly with the state? 615 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,920 » I think the state's No, I think the state knows they have to do something. 616 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:11,480 What it's going to be, I really don't know, but 617 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:14,000 » It'd be very for them to come this far from the committee and then come out of 618 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,440 it saying, "Yeah, we're not doing anything." would be 619 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:22,120 » Yeah. And I It'd be one thing if it was just 620 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,160 Groton-Dunstable school district that's struggling with the problem. 621 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,880 » Yeah, right. It's everybody. 622 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:29,480 » It's almost every school district. I mean, it's 623 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,040 it's the vast It's not just a majority, it's a super majority of all 624 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,840 » Yeah. >> communities in the state which 625 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,600 » Oh, yeah. >> that are dealing with the same issues 626 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:42,360 and you know, 627 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:47,040 it's definitely not sustainable for for us, but 628 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:50,600 for 2/3 of the um communities in the state and it's 629 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:55,240 growing. I mean, you know, the list is growing, not shrinking, so 630 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,360 I think they Yeah, I think they know they have to do something. 631 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,520 » Something, yeah. >> Yeah, I don't know what. 632 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,880 I don't know what. >> Probably not what we all want, but Mhm. 633 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,680 » Yeah. Yeah. 634 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:11,760 » Joan. >> Are we getting any more money from the 635 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,840 state this year? >> So, they 636 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:20,600 » Getting a little bit. >> Yeah, so for this fiscal year 637 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:24,440 and was it July or August? >> I think it was in July. Um 638 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:31,520 » It must have been July. The governor filed a bill to 639 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:35,760 provide supplemental chapter 70 money to school districts. 640 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,760 Um 641 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:45,680 Uh yeah. Yep. But, that's for this It's for this year 642 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:49,480 and it's not guaranteed for next year. And it's one of those things that I mean 643 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:54,200 it would It's great and it would be helpful to 644 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:58,200 receive. Um But, it also would have been great to 645 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,440 receive it in you know, 646 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,360 April because you're putting time in for the budget. 647 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:05,640 Um >> It'd be nice to know that was a 648 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:10,000 permanent bump, too. >> Yeah, so it's it 649 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,640 As I understand it, it's the, you know, millionaire's tax that they continue to 650 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:18,040 » Yeah. >> Yeah, talk about talk about and, you 651 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:22,680 know, make late decisions on how to distribute it rather than taking all of 652 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:29,520 it into the into revenues operating the budget. So, 653 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:34,600 um yeah, no, it's that's that's for um and and if all goes right, school 654 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:40,880 district will receive more money, but it's maybe in the middle of that. Um 655 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:45,400 It's up to them on what they do with it, but 656 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:51,880 it's not it didn't help us with our with our budget for FY '27. 657 00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:55,960 Just because it's mid-year. It's going to be a mid-year allocation. 658 00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,040 » Did uh Did I miss 659 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,200 » Yeah. >> I missed what? 660 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,360 » You missed it. >> Missed almost all of it, John. 661 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,885 » No what? >> It didn't go in my watch. 662 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,905 » talking. to watch. >> [laughter] 663 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:16,640 » Basically, we approved the truck. It's going to be done on time within the 664 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,040 amount of grant money and to spec that they wanted. 665 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,520 » All right. >> You're welcome. 666 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:27,560 » No? >> We'll find out when we rewatch the show. 667 00:44:26,535 --> 00:44:30,240 » [laughter] >> I didn't hear it. 668 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:38,480 » Anything else? >> No, I'll have more definitive 669 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:42,680 information than I was I have like a report that I've almost completed and 670 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,800 I'll send it to you when it's >> Okay. 671 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:50,160 » when it's completed with the three of you looking at it and 672 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:54,600 I guess we'll meet on the 26th, right? We'll get an understand how deep the 673 00:44:53,000 --> 00:45:01,440 hole is. >> Yeah, I mean I I think that 674 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:06,080 both towns are in a very similar situation. 675 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:08,240 » Yeah, but we were there with that 2 years ago, right? 676 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,080 » Yeah, I think it was 2. >> Yeah, yeah. 677 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:15,560 And and you know, I don't know. 678 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:21,720 » We passed but they didn't. >> Right. 679 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:25,320 » And not by a little, it was crash and burn and take off. 680 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,480 Still that goes. >> All right. 681 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,520 » Are we >> It didn't hit. 682 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:35,080 » No, it >> I'm saying here or there, but when that 683 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,200 goes down it's like crash and burn and take off. That's 684 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,560 Yeah. >> Yeah. 685 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:44,280 » Are we meeting on the 26th, the Wednesday, or the 25th, Tuesday? 686 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:48,160 » That's the working group. The the 20th August 26th is at Broughton 687 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,560 Town Hall, yeah. >> Okay. The 25th would be our meeting. 688 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,800 » That would be. >> Okay. 689 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:57,360 » All right. >> Yeah. 690 00:45:54,320 --> 00:46:03,040 » But that budget working group is Yeah, it's the second meeting of a 691 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:05,800 series of these and that's that's at Donald tenant parking the morning is 692 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,520 something like that. Yeah. 693 00:46:08,061 --> 00:46:13,760 » [clears throat] >> Are we going to be consistently meeting 694 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:16,320 on Tuesdays 5:30? Is that just the plan going forward? Just curious. 695 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,680 » Oh. >> Yeah. 696 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,680 Okay. 697 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,280 » I understand. 698 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:31,480 Cool. Uh topics 699 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:34,560 we didn't anticipate anybody got any >> No, I don't. 700 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:38,160 » No, no, no. Okay. Um anything else? 701 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,080 We should motion to adjourn. 702 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,480 » I move we adjourn. >> Second. 703 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,440 » I I I'm in favor. 704 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,440 » Yeah. 705 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,520 » Mhm.