[0:01] Next, move on to [0:03] item five, discussion items. [0:06] We have the presentation from District 45. [0:24] Charlie, can we grab the screen? [0:38] Awesome. Thank you. [0:43] All right. Good evening, everyone. [0:44] Thank you for the opportunity to address the board. [0:47] I previously spoke at the June 8th meeting just as a brief public [0:51] comment. [0:52] During those quick comments, I gave a little bit of information [0:56] about some of the consequences for the unsuccessful March [1:00] referendum [1:01] for District 45 and 88 students and the community. [1:06] And so the purpose of this evening is to provide a little bit more detailed [1:09] information, partly about how we got here to the point where we [1:13] are pursuing a limiting rate referendum, as well as [1:17] implications of a successful and also unsuccessful referendum. [1:20] We had an opportunity to hear from Dr. [1:22] Barbanente a couple of weeks ago at our meeting, and so of course, the purpose [1:26] here is to make sure that we can support one another's efforts [1:30] in informing our community about what's at stake. [1:34] So the very first slide is a [1:38] quick [1:39] five-minute overview video. So this is the [1:43] 10,000-foot view, and then I'll just go into a little bit more [1:47] details about the information I've shared. [1:52] Hello, I'm Brian Graber, superintendent of School District 45. [1:56] And I'm Adam Parisi, Assistant Superintendent for Finance and Chief [2:00] School Business Official. [2:02] This fall, District 45 residents will be asked to consider a [2:06] tax rate referendum to address the district's educational and [2:10] financial needs. [2:12] In the next few minutes, we'll provide an overview of our district, its financial [2:16] position, what the proposal would fund, and what voters will be [2:20] asked to decide. [2:22] District 45 serves more than 3,100 students from pre-kindergarten [2:26] through eighth grade across nine schools in Villa Park, [2:30] Lombard, Oak Brook Terrace, and Elmhurst. [2:34] More than 500 teachers and staff members support our students and [2:38] help them become responsible, resilient, and ready to excel. [2:42] In 2025, District 45 completed a community-informed [2:46] strategic planning process and adopted a five-year [2:50] student-centered plan. The plan provides clear direction for [2:54] the district and reflects our commitment to helping every student [2:58] grow, build confidence, and reach their full potential. [3:02] District 45 has made important progress in recent years. [3:06] Students are growing academically, schools are safer and more secure, [3:11] full-day kindergarten is in place, and students and families have [3:14] access to the programs and support they need across the district. [3:18] In 2020, voters approved a bond referendum that funded the District [3:22] 45 Early Childhood Center, safety and security improvements, [3:26] and other facility upgrades. As a bond referendum, that [3:30] funding was limited to buildings and capital projects. [3:33] It could not be used for the ongoing costs of operating our schools. [3:38] Adam will provide an overview of the district's current financial position. [3:43] District 45 receives less state and federal funding than [3:47] the average Illinois school district. [3:50] The district has worked hard to make the most of every dollar by [3:53] keeping administrative costs low, controlling expenses, [3:58] and focusing resources on students, teachers, and [4:01] schools. However, funding has not kept [4:04] pace with rising costs, including staffing, [4:08] transportation, utilities, insurance, and [4:12] classroom materials. For several years, District [4:16] 45 used available savings to help cover the difference [4:20] between yearly revenue and expenses. [4:23] This allowed the district to maintain student programs and [4:26] services, but using savings to pay ongoing [4:30] expenses is not a long-term solution. [4:34] The district has reduced administrative positions, adjusted [4:37] staffing and programs, extended the replacement schedule for [4:41] student technology, and made many other [4:45] spending reductions. Despite these steps, District [4:49] 45 continues to face a structural funding gap, [4:53] meaning ongoing expenses are projected to exceed ongoing [4:57] revenue. [4:58] This fall's referendum asks voters to consider [5:02] increasing the district's limiting tax rate by [5:05] 26.7 cents. The last limiting tax rate [5:09] increase in District 45 was 26 years ago in [5:13] 2000. If approved, the proposal is expected [5:17] to generate approximately $4.4 [5:20] million in additional yearly revenue. [5:23] For a home with an estimated market value of [5:26] $350,000, the projected tax [5:30] impact would be approximately $299 [5:34] per year, or about $25 per month. [5:38] The actual impact would vary based on a property's [5:42] assessed value and applicable exemptions. [5:47] The additional funding from an approved referendum would be used to [5:51] restore recent cuts, including reading support, advanced [5:55] academic programming, fine arts, clubs, [5:58] intramural sports, and middle school musicals. [6:02] It would also help our schools maintain reasonable, responsible class [6:06] sizes, reduce the need for additional staffing and program [6:10] reductions, and provide more reliable yearly funding. [6:14] We're committed to fiscal responsibility and cannot continue [6:18] pulling from shrinking savings to address rising costs. [6:22] Without additional revenue, programs and positions cut for this school [6:26] year would not be restored, and further reductions would need to be made [6:30] in future school years. [6:33] The referendum is a decision for District 45 voters. [6:37] These are your schools. This is your community. [6:40] Our goal is to provide you with the information you need to make an informed [6:44] decision when you vote. [6:46] We invite you to visit the district website to learn much more about the [6:50] referendum and our plan to strengthen 45. [7:07] There we go. Thank you. [7:09] So I want to give just a little bit of information about some of the items that are [7:11] shared here, and obviously provide an opportunity for questions at the end as [7:15] well. Over the last several years, there's been a significant amount of work that [7:19] has happened in the district. We've overhauled our ELA, math, and [7:23] SEL programs and curriculum. We have [7:27] significantly increased support for students, especially in the wake of COVID. [7:31] We completed a five-year strategic plan just over a year ago and implemented [7:35] that with a new mission, vision, and goals. [7:37] Our mission is empowering all learners to cultivate hope, build confidence, and [7:41] realize their full potential, and our vision is becoming a [7:45] supportive and collaborative community where all students are responsible, [7:48] resilient, and ready to excel. This year's strat plan [7:52] also included, for the first time ever, a portrait of a D45 [7:56] grad, which I think is pretty important to D88 because we're sending them your way [8:00] when they graduate from us. So those are the skills and [8:03] competencies that we're hoping they've mastered by the time they leave [8:07] our district and they head your way to Willowbrook. [8:10] We've seen some significant gains as a result of this work. [8:14] This is just one example of our progress. [8:16] These are the most recent proficiency numbers that we have [8:20] among our comparable districts, and we've selected comparable districts based [8:24] on geography, geographic proximity, student demographics, and [8:28] community resources. These same comp districts will be used in some [8:32] later slides when we're talking about the tax rates. [8:35] But among these same six districts, we have the highest level [8:39] of math proficiency. Bless you. The second highest level of science [8:42] proficiency. We're third in ELA, but we are trending in the right [8:46] direction. We've actually, over the past four years, more than doubled the number [8:49] of students that are reading at or above grade level. [8:52] So while we're not where we want to be yet, that is certainly the direction that [8:56] we're headed. And we recognize that a significant part of the [8:59] success that we've experienced over the last several years is in part due to [9:03] that 2020 bond referendum. There's been lots of questions about [9:07] the limiting rate referendum and how this is different than the bond referendum, [9:11] obviously the type of referendum that D88 is [9:15] pursuing. The bond referendum, as you know, was limited to the [9:19] facilities and the identified pieces that were part of that in [9:23] 2020. So it was a $30 million referendum. [9:26] It had a very focused and narrow purpose. [9:29] It's not something that we can use for ongoing expenses. [9:32] A huge part of that was making room for full-day kindergarten. [9:35] At the time, full-day kindergarten was not a state mandate. [9:38] At this point now, it is, a year from now, that all K-8 districts [9:42] are offering, or any district that has kindergarten is [9:45] mandated to provide full-day kindergarten. [9:48] So there's actually a lot of elementary schools that are, at this point, starting [9:51] to scramble to figure out where they are going to come up with the resources to be [9:54] able to provide this mandate. Fortunately, we're ahead of the game. [9:58] Part of that also involved building the early childhood center, creating [10:02] secured entryways, making sure that all of our [10:06] facilities were up to date as far as accommodations and were accessible. [10:09] But again, it had a very narrow purpose. [10:11] Also, the timing of that referendum was very challenging. [10:14] It was approved in March of 2020, about four [10:18] days after the world shut down, and so as we moved forward [10:22] with our obligations under that referendum, the [10:26] costs skyrocketed. And so we [10:30] worked very hard to still manage to move forward [10:34] with that project in a responsible way, [10:37] but there was no avoiding the supply chain and labor costs that were [10:41] associated with that, which resulted in the project being over [10:45] budget, not because there were add-ons, in fact, quite the opposite. [10:49] There were places where things were cut back [10:51] to try to come in as close as we could. [10:54] $30 million is what was originally budgeted. [10:57] We had $3 million in [11:00] savings dedicated to capital projects, which then also went towards the [11:03] project, and then we needed to pull an additional $3 million from our [11:07] savings in order to finish funding that project. [11:11] At the same time, it put us in a good position to achieve some of the [11:15] results that we've seen recently. [11:18] Overall, looking at those same comp districts, these are districts that [11:22] we were performing higher than in many cases, but when you [11:26] actually look at our relative tax rates, we are on the lower [11:30] end compared to those same districts. [11:32] The only district that actually happens to be lower than us [11:36] is Addison 4. This is not one of these slides, but in the [11:40] full presentation [11:42] for this particular presentation, we take a look at tax base as [11:46] well and how heavily residential District 45 is. [11:49] We do not have the industrial infrastructure, and we don't have the commercial [11:53] infrastructure of the other Willowbrook feeders, and so we do [11:56] recognize that a significant portion of this tax burden is on the [12:00] residents. At the same time, relative to these other communities, [12:04] our taxes are lower than those same comps. [12:10] This is another look at the ways that we do more with less. [12:14] These are our revenues per student and our [12:17] expenditures per student. And once again, you see [12:21] relative to those same comparable districts that we showed the academic [12:25] proficiency of, [12:27] our revenue is actually relatively lower, as well as our [12:31] expenditures per student. So once again, we do a lot [12:35] with what we are provided, [12:38] and are really strategic and careful about the spending that we [12:42] do. This is just one example of the way that costs [12:46] have significantly increased. We absolutely understand that costs for [12:50] households have increased significantly. It's the same for a school district. [12:54] So this is just one piece when we look at transportation, insurance, the [12:58] cost of staffing, especially specialized staffing, and having to [13:01] hire even through agencies. But this is one specific [13:05] look. This is the per route rate for [13:09] transportation. The numbers look a little fuzzy there, but you go [13:13] from the far end in 2020-21, it was [13:16] $262 per route. Now we are up to just over [13:20] $450 per route. So in the course of [13:24] six or seven years, we have a 71% [13:28] increase in the costs of our transportation. [13:31] Needless to say, [13:33] revenue has not kept up, local taxes, CPI, have not [13:37] kept up, and certainly state funding and mandated categoricals [13:42] has not kept up with this. So these are costs that we have [13:45] continued to cover, even though the costs [13:49] have significantly exceeded the revenue that we've received. [13:53] This is a look at the fund balance trend over the [13:56] last 10 plus years. If you just take a look at the right [14:00] side, there could be some significant and serious questions [14:04] about the way that the fund balance amount has gone [14:08] down from a high of just over 57% in [14:12] 2015, to projected to be just over 16% [14:16] over the course of this last year. And that's a fair question. [14:19] When you really break down a couple of key timelines, though, you can [14:23] see the work that has happened, especially over the course of the last three or [14:27] four years. From 2015 to 2019, that fund balance [14:31] decreased about 17%. Now, I was not in the district at that time, [14:35] but I do know from where I was, and from other area districts, [14:39] that there was a push at that time to make sure that [14:43] certain school districts were not carrying excess fund [14:47] balances. The idea is that that is money that [14:51] is intended to be used for student support. [14:53] So that's not to say that there's an intentional spend down. [14:57] Let's see something, find something that we can spend money on. [14:59] But when there are unmet needs in the district, and you are sitting on what [15:03] could be considered a surplus fund balance, that is not an [15:07] irresponsible thing to say we're going to take that fund balance from right around [15:11] 57%, and over the course of those four years, heading [15:15] into FY 19, it was down to just under 40%. [15:18] At that point, had the district been able to stop, and let's say a pandemic didn't [15:22] arrive, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. [15:25] But the reality is, over the next four years with the pandemic, and [15:29] with the [15:31] building project and that referendum, and that heading over budget and all of the [15:34] things that we needed to fund to support students and make sure those [15:38] projects were completed, again, over the next four years, there was another [15:41] 17% decrease. This is where it turns, though, [15:45] because from 2023 to '26, now admittedly, that's a [15:48] four-year span, a four-year span, and then a three-year span. [15:52] So it's not the exact same amount of time. [15:54] But over that last three-year span, you can see there's been a decrease of [15:59] only 5%. So it's been a significant slowdown [16:03] in accessing those reserves, and that's been intentional, and I can talk just a [16:06] little bit about some of the actions that we've actually taken as a part of that. [16:11] Okay. It's a little difficult to see here. [16:13] But you can trust me on this, and you can actually see if you look at the online [16:17] presentation, you can see all of the boxes. [16:19] This is our organizational chart prior to 2020, just [16:23] administrators. So this has all of the administrative positions. [16:26] This does not include classroom teachers. This does not include TAs. [16:30] This does not include secretaries. [16:32] These are the administrative positions that existed pre-2020. [16:36] Since 2020, those are the number of [16:40] positions that we've eliminated at the administrative level. [16:43] That's usually one of the first things people mention is [16:47] the elimination of particularly central office [16:51] administrative positions. All of these positions that were eliminated were at [16:54] the central office level. There were six positions that were cut [16:58] out of 20 positions, so that's a 30% decrease in positions. [17:03] I want to be perfectly clear, one of the positions listed here is [17:06] principals. There's more than one principal. [17:09] So I'm not saying we cut 30% of our administrators, but we did [17:13] cut 30% of the positions that we had there. [17:16] You notice those individual cuts. [17:18] Now there's more than six Xs there. [17:20] That's because there's an X over that gray box. [17:22] There was a proposed position that we actually interviewed for, and then ended [17:26] up not moving forward with hiring in our special education department. [17:30] We're not saying that that is [17:32] an elimination of a position, but it's certainly cost savings considering that the [17:36] need was identified and we chose not to move forward with that. [17:39] And actually, since our presentation in March, the [17:43] X that you see right in the middle at the top, that was the assistant [17:46] superintendent for human resources position. [17:48] We don't have an assistant superintendent for human resources anymore. [17:51] The person in that position resigned last year. [17:54] We reclassified that as a director level position in order to achieve an [17:58] additional $50,000 in savings. So you're kind of looking at the [18:01] assistant superintendent for human resources again. [18:04] So I'm picking up some of those responsibilities. [18:06] So Mike, I'll be reaching out to you when we need to collaborate a little bit. [18:09] So I'm back to doing some of those responsibilities again, that is the [18:13] position I was previously in, and again, as cost savings. [18:16] So I'm going to go back just a second again. [18:19] Those are the existing positions, those are the eliminated positions, [18:23] and that's what we're left with. So a significant decrease at the central office [18:27] level that took place over several years. [18:29] So this is not something that all of a sudden happened [18:32] and changes were made within the last year. [18:35] These are changes that have been made over the last couple of years. [18:39] There have been understandable questions about district accountability, not only [18:42] accountability for the decisions that have been made up to this point, but also [18:46] moving forward. So just wanted to do just a quick snapshot of some of the [18:49] things that have happened in the past that are occurring right now, and also moving [18:53] forward in the future. We have consistently, across the past, had a low [18:57] per-pupil spending and revenue. [18:59] We have, over the past couple of years, reduced administrative [19:03] positions. Of course, you know there's a requirement for annual [19:07] audits, so when there are questions about whether or not we've been audited, the [19:10] answer is, by law, every single year [19:13] our finances are audited, and those results are published. [19:17] Currently, right now, we continue to make targeted [19:21] revenue and savings decisions. We've made some adjustments to our [19:25] fees. We actually modified our school lunch program at a [19:29] couple of our schools so that we can continue to provide the lunch to [19:32] students, but being reimbursed in a different way, at a different rate. [19:37] Those are steps that we're taking, as well as some targeted [19:41] cuts and reductions. But we're really trying to look at anything, energy [19:44] efficiencies, lunch programs fees, those types of things. [19:47] Another piece that we did recently, as far as accountability, is when the [19:51] referendum was not successful in March, we did move forward with [19:55] those identified reductions. Those were not easy decisions to make, [20:00] to cut 17 and a half staff. In fact, over the last couple of [20:03] weeks, we've reduced two additional positions as we've looked at [20:07] enrollment heading into the current year. [20:10] So that's 19 and a half positions that have been reduced, as well as those clubs [20:13] and activities that we've talked about, reading support for students, [20:17] and advanced academics. So we did follow through with those, [20:21] and [20:22] now that our finance meetings are actually being recorded in the same way that our [20:26] regular board meetings are, that's a step that we've taken over the last year. [20:30] Moving forward, we'll continue to have those audits. [20:32] We're dedicated to reasonable and responsible class sizes. [20:36] We're looking at not [20:38] trying to have the smallest classes possible. [20:40] We know that that's not fiscally responsible. [20:42] We also want to make sure that our classes are reasonable, and that we're not [20:46] talking about 30, 35 kindergartners in a classroom together as well, so [20:49] balancing that reasonable and responsible. [20:52] We're moving forward with the data dashboard, not just academics, but finances as [20:56] well. And we're talking about at least annual, if [20:59] not semi-annual, special kind of state of the district presentations [21:03] speaking to our finances. [21:07] So this is kind of the [21:09] most challenging slide because this gets to [21:12] the reality of what would happen if there is [21:16] another unsuccessful referendum, and if we need to continue making cuts, [21:20] and it's something that we're prepared to do. We did it in March. [21:23] We can do it again this fall as well if we need to. [21:25] But if a referendum is not successful, those reductions [21:29] that were made previously would not be restored, those classroom teachers, reading [21:33] support, advanced academics, extracurricular activities. [21:36] We'd be looking at additional reductions. [21:38] This past year, we made about $1.7 million in reductions. [21:41] We'd need to make at least that amount heading into next year, [21:45] and additional for the following year. [21:46] If we actually wanted to get to where we need to be as far as fund balance, we're [21:50] looking at an additional $4 million in cuts. [21:54] So that's not something that we're going to be doing in a year. [21:57] But certainly, over the course of a couple of years, even staff [22:02] retiring through attrition, things like that, making some of those changes, but we [22:05] would be prepared to make at least another $1.7, probably [22:09] closer to $2 million worth of cuts heading into next year if it's not [22:13] successful. That would include teaching and [22:17] programming reductions, additional extracurricular activities, [22:21] and also looking at some significant redistricting, and probably school [22:25] closures as well. The alternative to that would [22:29] be increasing revenue, [22:31] and so the proposed referendum, as we talked about, 26.7 cent tax rate [22:34] increase, $4.4 million annually, [22:38] and that would be the impact as listed there. [22:43] The graph on the left, once again, that's a repeat of the graph that was shown [22:46] earlier. That shows what our current tax rate is as compared to our [22:50] comparable districts. The graph on the right shows what it would be [22:53] if the referendum is successful. So we're still in the same [22:57] spot in terms of relative to those [23:01] peers. The idea here is that the district is not [23:05] trying to get as much money as possible. [23:07] The district is trying to be very sensitive to the financial [23:11] situation of our families and our communities, but also make sure that it is able [23:15] to obtain the revenue needed to restore some of these cuts. [23:19] So this is what we'd be looking at in terms of a [23:22] successful referendum. [23:24] We know data shows and studies show the correlation [23:28] between property values and funding towards schools. [23:31] Every dollar towards schools increases the aggregate value [23:35] of homes by $20. We would be avoiding those additional [23:39] cuts, knowing that we have more predictable financial future, [23:43] looking at those class sizes, and then restoring those pieces, reading support, [23:47] advanced academics, clubs and activities, as well as the fine [23:51] arts. So our goal is to make sure that everybody has the information that they [23:55] need to make an informed decision. [23:56] So at the very least, we've planned 10 town halls, [24:00] one for each of our schools, plus a virtual option. [24:03] The first one has passed already. It was actually last week at Westmoor. [24:07] Our next one is Wednesday night, but you can find the dates for those [24:11] on our website, and we'll also be open to any [24:15] invitations that we have so that we can provide information. [24:17] We'll be providing a presentation to Chamber of Commerce, to [24:21] Rotary. [24:22] Actually, just as of today, we're going to be there on Friday night [24:27] at Willowbrook for- [24:30] Is it blue and silver? Silver and blue? Silver and blue night. [24:34] Just to provide that information and just make sure this doesn't come as a [24:38] surprise. We did receive a tremendous amount of feedback [24:42] from community members saying that a lot of people [24:46] were not aware of what was at stake. [24:48] And so [24:50] this is what would be voted on actually tomorrow night at our board meeting, the [24:54] referendum. So that's it. That's where you can find more information. [24:58] There are videos, there's a significant FAQ, [25:01] and there's lots more information about the implications, a tax calculator, and all [25:05] those pieces. So thank you again for the opportunity to [25:08] present. [25:10] Any questions? [25:14] I have one. [25:14] Yes. [25:17] I have to admit, maybe I should know this, but with the [25:21] mandate for the full [25:24] day kindergarten for- [25:26] Yes [25:26] ... kids coming up- [25:27] Mm-hmm [25:27] ... [25:28] has the state provided any additional funding to cover that cost? [25:31] Not at this time, no. And I don't anticipate that there will be. [25:35] There has been nothing attached to that specifically to say that that's going to [25:39] help support that work. So there's actually a number of districts talking about [25:42] bond referendums specifically for that purpose. [25:45] So at least District 45 had the foresight to do the [25:49] early childhood to be able to [25:52] make the adjustments within the buildings to be able to accommodate. [25:55] Correct. And that's a great point, because a lot of times because the early [25:59] childhood center was the building that was built, there was the thinking that the [26:02] referendum was entirely about the early childhood center. [26:05] We had an existing early childhood program, it was just in the buildings. [26:08] So in order to create a dedicated space, then we were able to pull those [26:12] classrooms out of the buildings, and then that made the space for [26:16] full day kindergarten at most of our facilities, and then we needed to do some [26:19] building additions. But even that was very strategic. [26:23] That was intended to be the first bite of a pretty [26:26] significant facilities plan. And the reality [26:30] is, we've foregone everything since then, because of cost. [26:33] So we were able to take the first bite, and now any other pieces are just [26:37] waiting for us to be in a financial position where we could move forward with [26:41] that, and that's not anything that would happen for several years. [26:44] And [26:46] I'm sure that District 45 is like most districts, where [26:50] you're not getting your full funding for your categoricals like [26:54] transportation, special ed transportation, and all the rest. [26:58] Correct. Yeah. The percentages are actually decreasing while the costs are [27:01] increasing. So yeah, we're not anywhere close to that. [27:04] We're at about 83% adequacy, so we are [27:07] regularly operating with $7 million less than what the [27:11] state says we actually should have in order to function. [27:15] That doesn't mean we're running a $7 million deficit, but when the state looks at [27:19] our needs based on our student population and programs and those types of [27:22] things, they say that we should be operating close to $50 [27:26] million, and we're regularly operating at $43 million. [27:30] So... [27:31] So underneath evidence-based funding formula, [27:34] is District 45 a tier two then? [27:36] We're a tier two. [27:37] Yeah. [27:37] Mm-hmm. We're one of eight tier one or tier two elementary [27:41] districts in DuPage. I believe there's 42 districts, and we are one of [27:45] eight that is at tier one and two. Compared to some of our area districts, [27:49] we're operating at 83% of our adequacy. [27:52] Some districts around us are operating at 140%, [27:55] 160%. We're at 80%. So we're still operating [27:59] very lean, even as it is. [28:02] Because I was at a meeting on Friday. [28:06] We were talking, or it was, I don't know, maybe it wasn't [28:08] Friday. One day last week. [28:10] Mm-hmm. [28:11] We were talking about the evidence-based funding, and the [28:15] fact that even though when the state says they quote "increase funding for the [28:19] state," [28:20] they're not talking about tier two, they're not talking about tier three, they're [28:23] not talking about tier four. That money is going to tier-one [28:27] districts only. [28:28] Okay. Yeah, I did read just recently that despite [28:32] increases at the state level, I think significantly because of the [28:36] increased costs that districts are facing, even though [28:39] the state is increasing the actual dollars that [28:43] they're providing, more and more districts are falling further and [28:47] further from adequacy just because of the actual costs of [28:52] operating a school district right now. [28:53] Well, because the school districts are limited to CPI or- [28:56] Mm-hmm [28:56] ... 5%, whichever is less. So in most years, we're lucky if we're getting [29:00] 2 or 3%, whereas our costs are going up 5% or [29:04] more. [29:04] Right. Absolutely. [29:05] Just like homeowners. [29:06] Absolutely. And the transportation is a perfect example, [29:09] 70% over the last seven years, so an average of 10%. [29:13] Obviously, CPI is not keeping up with that. [29:15] Certainly, state funds aren't keeping up with that. [29:17] Insurance has been very similar. [29:20] And the specialized needs of students and just the costs of supporting them. [29:23] Staffing costs have gone up significantly, not because we're giving monumental [29:27] raises to staff members, but because we are needing [29:30] to [29:33] get the participation of more and more agency hires that are [29:37] coming at a premium cost. So just the overall cost of education. [29:41] Supplies, materials, everything is becoming much more expensive, the same way that [29:44] they are for homeowners. Right? So we know that we're not in a [29:48] unique situation. It's just compounded significantly when you're talking about [29:52] a $50 million budget. [29:55] Okay. [29:57] I don't have any other questions. Is there any other? [29:58] Thanks. [29:59] Okay. Thank you so much for coming. [30:01] Awesome. All right. Thank you very much for the time. I appreciate it. [30:05] That's yours. [30:09] Okay