1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:16,260 And to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, thank you. So, here you, you want to call the roll? Here. 2 00:00:30,780 --> 00:00:34,600 for the request for a disconnect by 3 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,500 DJ 57 properties I guess and we're 4 00:00:39,500 --> 00:00:41,080 taking this public we're listening and 5 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,180 we're just taking public comments and 6 00:00:43,180 --> 00:00:45,140 so the way it's going to run is 7 00:00:45,140 --> 00:00:46,500 there's a lot of interest if you want 8 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:49,300 to speak you know we're only scheduled 9 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:51,280 for 30 minutes we'll kind of roll 10 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,000 until we we got to finish but it's 11 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,040 only for three minutes if you got to 12 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,520 say something that somebody else has 13 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:04,020 said it'd be nice if you just say I agree with that person or I agree with that or something 14 00:01:04,020 --> 00:01:08,080 just kind of in my stance we'll get at many people who want to talk to his can but like 15 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:13,000 said three minutes, we'll time it. I'll give you about 15 minutes or 15 seconds heads 16 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,160 up that your time is about out and we'll continue to go okay. 17 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:23,020 So is there somebody here who's going to tell us what's going on first what this hearing 18 00:01:23,020 --> 00:01:27,180 is about? I mean I've read the letter what is the city's position where are you? 19 00:01:28,140 --> 00:01:33,660 services can't you provide this is a hearing for this petition that's what 20 00:01:33,660 --> 00:01:40,980 we're required by law to have as a public hearing good and so not 21 00:01:40,980 --> 00:01:47,280 this step we can't we can't lie it's huh that's just because this is the way 22 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,860 it's being held this you know we're we have legal counsel to and we're 23 00:01:51,860 --> 00:01:55,590 following legal counsel and we're having a public hearing and it's on this 24 00:01:55,590 --> 00:02:08,890 What country are we going to listen to so the thing is we'll do three minutes each and so start now 25 00:02:08,890 --> 00:02:13,070 We are recording things going good I turn mine out here 26 00:02:14,790 --> 00:02:16,650 You did or you need to 27 00:02:18,390 --> 00:02:21,370 It is I turned on my iPad 28 00:02:21,370 --> 00:02:31,170 I've got it on. Everybody's got it on. Okay. So you're speaking for those requests that you must bear. 29 00:02:31,490 --> 00:02:39,230 Mark. Mark. Very. Very. Okay. Thank you. And question before I get started, 30 00:02:39,490 --> 00:02:44,650 it's customary usually for the applicant to have more than three minutes. I mean, I can keep it in three minutes, 31 00:02:44,650 --> 00:02:49,510 but it might be more helpful to remember the town if I was a little longer now, but I'll do whatever you want, 32 00:02:49,510 --> 00:02:52,110 Well, let's just try to keep it so we can hear any people. 33 00:02:52,410 --> 00:02:54,330 I'll try to keep it as simple as I can. 34 00:02:55,070 --> 00:02:56,690 Mr. Mayor, my name is Bruce Bayard. 35 00:02:56,790 --> 00:02:59,430 I'm a council for the development team, 36 00:02:59,650 --> 00:03:00,370 the property owner. 37 00:03:01,050 --> 00:03:02,190 I'm also here in the community of Latter. 38 00:03:02,270 --> 00:03:02,930 Jesse Latter. 39 00:03:03,650 --> 00:03:04,250 I'm sorry. 40 00:03:04,530 --> 00:03:05,470 Talk a little louder. 41 00:03:06,110 --> 00:03:07,790 Most people tell me to be quiet. 42 00:03:08,630 --> 00:03:10,390 So I'll try to talk a little louder. 43 00:03:11,090 --> 00:03:13,210 Anyway, I'm here with Jesse Latter. 44 00:03:13,490 --> 00:03:15,510 He's here again from the development team, 45 00:03:16,050 --> 00:03:17,190 the ownership development team. 46 00:03:17,190 --> 00:03:38,650 I have some familiarity with this connection statute in the state, this will be my sixth successful disconnection including 4,000 acres out of Bluffdale, 9,000 acres out of the town of Bluff, several hundred out of the town of Leeds, a few out of Cottonwood Heights, etc. 47 00:03:38,650 --> 00:03:45,510 So I'm going to make it clear the basic premise in the statute is undeveloped properties 48 00:03:45,950 --> 00:03:52,510 get to determine which governmental jurisdiction they are in, especially in a case of a town 49 00:03:52,510 --> 00:03:58,190 like Dutch John, where the boundaries to be blunt don't make any sense. 50 00:03:58,390 --> 00:04:03,910 I mean, you have the lake in the town, you have forest service in the town, you have other 51 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:07,810 property in the town that you have literally no control of, and there's no earthly reason 52 00:04:07,810 --> 00:04:11,790 for it to be in the town because you have no control over it. 53 00:04:12,570 --> 00:04:17,610 The standard in the court is justice and equity and justice and equity basically means 54 00:04:17,610 --> 00:04:23,190 is it right or fair for this property to be in the town or does it get to go out of the town? 55 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:27,890 I have a David Letterman for those people who are old enough to remember David Letterman 56 00:04:27,890 --> 00:04:32,650 top ten list of the things and I'm going to just cut it very briefly into things that 57 00:04:32,650 --> 00:04:37,770 that I think would show up for justice and equity after discovery, which is expensive 58 00:04:37,770 --> 00:04:40,250 and a pain and terrible and unfun. 59 00:04:40,750 --> 00:04:44,270 Written discovery and depositions, which are also terribly unfun. 60 00:04:45,510 --> 00:04:46,950 You have researched everything. 61 00:04:47,050 --> 00:04:49,270 I've read your budgets for the last decade I've read. 62 00:04:49,390 --> 00:04:50,170 You're planning and zoning. 63 00:04:50,370 --> 00:04:50,950 I've got minutes. 64 00:04:51,130 --> 00:04:54,310 I've got two monstrous books of everything here for the last ten years. 65 00:04:54,850 --> 00:04:57,930 So here's the top ten things that I think the town has done wrong. 66 00:04:58,110 --> 00:05:00,390 It would eventually justify disconnection. 67 00:05:00,390 --> 00:05:07,630 Number one, as far as I can tell, a large chunk of the town's budget is coming from class B and C road funds. 68 00:05:07,870 --> 00:05:11,910 However, the roads are actually owned by the county, not by you. 69 00:05:12,070 --> 00:05:16,630 And if you take a look at the budgets, it seemed like you spent almost nothing, 70 00:05:17,210 --> 00:05:20,630 four or five hundred thousand dollars you've received in the last ten years. 71 00:05:21,090 --> 00:05:24,110 And you've spent maybe a hundred and a hundred and fifty on road maintenance. 72 00:05:24,430 --> 00:05:28,110 I just drove by some cones that apparently have been there for a decade. 73 00:05:28,110 --> 00:05:31,850 Number two, your budget, your recent budget of, 74 00:05:31,950 --> 00:05:34,930 I just looked at it for 2025 and 2026. 75 00:05:35,490 --> 00:05:37,670 Your budgeting 25 didn't spend it, 76 00:05:37,930 --> 00:05:41,790 35,000, sorry, 26, 35,000 for fire, 30 belt 77 00:05:41,790 --> 00:05:43,490 for police, 35 for EMS. 78 00:05:43,970 --> 00:05:46,710 You didn't spend any of that in the U that you budgeted, 79 00:05:47,050 --> 00:05:48,570 and there's no possible way 80 00:05:48,570 --> 00:05:50,550 that you can have any police presence 81 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:52,230 or EMS presence or fire presence 82 00:05:52,230 --> 00:05:53,690 for those kinds of money. 83 00:05:54,070 --> 00:05:55,410 It just won't do it. 84 00:05:55,410 --> 00:06:03,050 You'd need a budget, the typical version for a fire station or a EMS is a million dollars 85 00:06:03,050 --> 00:06:04,730 to have it staffed per year. 86 00:06:05,030 --> 00:06:06,650 You can't do it and you don't need it. 87 00:06:07,170 --> 00:06:08,610 You don't provide any public services. 88 00:06:09,110 --> 00:06:14,990 You've treated D.J., Invested D.D.57 and before that, the prior ownership group unfairly regarding 89 00:06:14,990 --> 00:06:20,710 the curb gutter and sidewalk in the moratorium is shown extreme favoritism to Joe Mack. 90 00:06:21,290 --> 00:06:26,290 And by the way, your development agreement with Joe Mac is 100% illegal. 91 00:06:26,950 --> 00:06:31,210 It has not even come close to complying with the standards for development agreement. 92 00:06:31,730 --> 00:06:36,190 In state law, it is never considered by the planning commission, even though it modified zoning. 93 00:06:36,570 --> 00:06:37,710 It's completely illegal. 94 00:06:38,250 --> 00:06:43,390 There's a whole bunch of records in the references of the records to people on the staff and 95 00:06:43,390 --> 00:06:45,590 planning commission and some on the council, et cetera. 96 00:06:45,890 --> 00:06:50,610 Essentially bullying developers and saying, we can get what we want by delaying you and 97 00:06:50,610 --> 00:06:54,430 installing you. My understanding is that Mr. McDonald and I don't know 98 00:06:54,430 --> 00:06:57,770 him personally is on the this is on the planning commission but I don't find any 99 00:06:57,770 --> 00:07:01,490 records whatsoever that he's taken an oath of office that he submitted an 100 00:07:01,490 --> 00:07:06,030 epic conduct complex or a conflict of interest disclosure. The planning 101 00:07:06,030 --> 00:07:11,070 commission and the town council seem to overlap improperly with the roles of 102 00:07:11,070 --> 00:07:15,810 the two against the guidelines for the you felt legal cities and towns the 103 00:07:15,810 --> 00:07:20,110 confusion of the roles between the mayor and the planning commission. There seems 104 00:07:20,110 --> 00:07:25,470 to be a number of noticing issues regarding the Open and Public Meetings Act, where the 105 00:07:25,470 --> 00:07:31,130 town simply hasn't complied with the Open and Public Meetings Act. There's a whole bunch 106 00:07:31,130 --> 00:07:35,650 of examples that I can give and will have to give if we have to go to court or just the utter 107 00:07:35,650 --> 00:07:41,110 dysfunction of the planning department. And I understand it, it's a small town, but that's why 108 00:07:41,110 --> 00:07:47,330 small towns don't get to stop people from developing their property. And then there's other government 109 00:07:47,330 --> 00:07:53,450 government's issues as well, including apparently combined positions on the city council and 110 00:07:53,450 --> 00:07:58,510 the city staff between the staff and other officials that are not allowed to be combined. 111 00:07:59,190 --> 00:08:01,930 And there's some other potential planning and zoning membership issues. 112 00:08:02,190 --> 00:08:05,650 That's just a quick list and I try to keep it as quickly as I can. 113 00:08:06,170 --> 00:08:12,830 The simple fact is you have a couple of choices after this public hearing and after your period 114 00:08:12,830 --> 00:08:13,890 of time to consider it. 115 00:08:13,890 --> 00:08:26,270 You can either deny the public, the disconnection petition, or you can probably arrange to have a budget opening hearing where essentially all of your budget money will be going to your lawyer. 116 00:08:26,630 --> 00:08:39,130 Your lawyer is a fine lawyer. It's an excellent lawyer I dealt with him in the town of Leeds Disconnection. He's a fine lawyer, but he's going to tell you I'm certain that this is going to be an expensive, unpleasant, bitter fight. 117 00:08:39,130 --> 00:08:47,370 And I hope he's going to tell you that you have better things to do with your money than fight a disconnection of the vacant land that only provides 118 00:08:48,130 --> 00:08:52,850 Small fraction of the town's budget. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you 119 00:09:01,510 --> 00:09:04,590 So are you on the list to speak because we want to hear? 120 00:09:04,590 --> 00:09:05,270 Those are a list. 121 00:09:05,550 --> 00:09:06,270 Yeah, there was a list. 122 00:09:06,650 --> 00:09:07,570 Harry, did you have the list? 123 00:09:07,850 --> 00:09:08,130 I do. 124 00:09:08,370 --> 00:09:10,370 I'm not going to respond to any questions. 125 00:09:10,370 --> 00:09:11,130 It's inappropriate. 126 00:09:11,650 --> 00:09:12,250 That's fine. 127 00:09:12,510 --> 00:09:12,610 Yeah. 128 00:09:12,750 --> 00:09:18,030 This meeting is strictly just a public comment about the request for the disconnect. 129 00:09:19,330 --> 00:09:20,910 So, you learned you call? 130 00:09:22,150 --> 00:09:23,790 First time our list is Woody Bear. 131 00:09:25,650 --> 00:09:27,430 I'll give my time to Lincoln. 132 00:09:28,530 --> 00:09:28,750 Okay. 133 00:09:29,890 --> 00:09:30,550 All right. 134 00:09:31,190 --> 00:09:32,590 My name's Lincoln Burfold. 135 00:09:34,570 --> 00:09:37,790 I've been coming to this place most of my life, my dad had, 136 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,920 I've been coming here since 137 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:48,600 AK Reynolds owned Red Canyon Lodge, I kind of wrote my notes down, I just wanted to come 138 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:57,720 and be heard, my dad spent his life giving our family memories up here, so my friend 139 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,700 Kevin told me about what Matt Lucas did up on the mountain, and so 10 years, about nine 140 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:08,100 years ago I went and submitted to the county to get some land and they told me 141 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:11,420 you can't it's five acres I wanted to get five acres they said well they 142 00:10:11,420 --> 00:10:17,680 changed the zoning to 40 so I went back we did it went back got 40 came back 143 00:10:19,060 --> 00:10:24,420 applied for 40 acres got the got the land came back and about a week later I 144 00:10:24,420 --> 00:10:28,360 received the phone call from a guy named Dave McDonald said to me 145 00:10:29,180 --> 00:10:33,640 congratulations on your land. I'm happy for you. Can you send me a copy of 146 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,340 the agreement? Send him a copy of the agreement. 147 00:10:38,620 --> 00:10:40,040 About two weeks later I called him 148 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,780 back to say, I have a couple questions. He's like, Lincoln, you don't need to 149 00:10:44,780 --> 00:10:48,840 even ask me questions. You're never going to build on that land. I said, why is 150 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,800 that? He's like, because I'm not going to allow it. You're going to want to give 151 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,380 by a lot down here in the town, like the rest of us. 152 00:10:57,500 --> 00:10:59,680 And I said, like about the land from them. 153 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,660 And he said, I got two half acre lots. 154 00:11:02,900 --> 00:11:05,500 I'll say, well, 50 grand, I said, I don't want to do that. 155 00:11:07,380 --> 00:11:10,780 Anyway, next thing I hear from a close friend, 156 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:12,500 there's a moratorium going into place. 157 00:11:13,700 --> 00:11:16,120 And I'm like, I have one of my best friend's 158 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:16,780 dad's in attorney. 159 00:11:17,060 --> 00:11:19,560 I had him create a subdivision application, drove up, 160 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,920 handed it to Harriet the day before the moratorium. 161 00:11:22,740 --> 00:11:29,980 So my subject, my subdivision was in place now, and they 162 00:11:32,730 --> 00:11:33,850 were basically putting the 163 00:11:33,850 --> 00:11:36,850 moratorium to stop me from building on the land that I bought next to Matt. 164 00:11:37,910 --> 00:11:44,610 Fast forward, we get the attorney on the phone, my attorney, your attorney, and meet before 165 00:11:44,610 --> 00:11:45,030 the moratorium. 166 00:11:45,110 --> 00:11:49,890 After dozens of rumors of me building hotels of 40 acres, I was able to spend some time 167 00:11:49,890 --> 00:11:55,030 with Buddy Rogers at his home. He was the current mayor at the time of a friend. He told 168 00:11:55,030 --> 00:12:00,150 me you get with Brett. Brett Reynolds is a lifelong friend, a civic engineering. Have him 169 00:12:00,150 --> 00:12:05,830 drop your plot and get it to me. And I'll sign it. And that's what this is. It's a subdivision 170 00:12:05,830 --> 00:12:10,630 that Buddy Rogers signed. And I said, what about Dave McDonald? He said, don't worry about 171 00:12:10,630 --> 00:12:15,330 Dave McDonald. I'll take care of Dave McDonald. I'll pass forward, but he passes away from 172 00:12:15,330 --> 00:12:15,730 cancer. 173 00:12:17,810 --> 00:12:20,910 Yeah, that was rough. Anyway, 15 seconds. 174 00:12:23,950 --> 00:12:30,850 $55,000 on a well, $8,000 on an engineering, $12,000 on a road, $20,000 on custom home 175 00:12:30,850 --> 00:12:38,090 plant plants. I'm announced to me they're re-changed. They re-changed the zoning again to light 176 00:12:38,090 --> 00:12:44,030 industrial from maybe 40 without any written notice. Dennis Judd told me to go ahead and 177 00:12:44,030 --> 00:12:46,210 Pay all this money, do it, that I was good to go. 178 00:12:46,670 --> 00:12:49,710 I paid it all, I'm over $200,000 into this deal, 179 00:12:50,230 --> 00:12:51,470 and I got nothing. 180 00:12:51,990 --> 00:12:53,970 I got a piece of dirt sitting up there. 181 00:12:55,690 --> 00:12:56,130 Time's over. 182 00:12:56,830 --> 00:12:57,070 Thank you. 183 00:12:57,090 --> 00:12:58,230 Jamie, there is his next. 184 00:12:58,970 --> 00:12:59,230 All right. 185 00:13:01,210 --> 00:13:04,230 I have a long statement, but I'm only going to read part of it, 186 00:13:04,350 --> 00:13:09,330 and I'm going to give the town council a copy of the floor. 187 00:13:12,510 --> 00:13:16,890 I get my three minutes to write to what I get my three minutes because I got 188 00:13:16,890 --> 00:13:28,550 Woody's I'm sorry I'm sorry hang on go ahead take off 189 00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:34,930 okay a teenager let me get back to where I was I'm sorry tell me that I have to 190 00:13:34,930 --> 00:13:40,810 put Kerbin gutter from the town of Dutch John up to Matt and Lucas's before I can build 191 00:13:40,810 --> 00:13:42,050 a home. 192 00:13:42,610 --> 00:13:46,270 That road was built in 1958 and it hasn't changed since 1958. 193 00:13:46,390 --> 00:13:47,670 It's still the exact same. 194 00:13:48,310 --> 00:13:50,570 I'm not prepared to build, to do that. 195 00:13:50,650 --> 00:13:55,770 I wanted a dream to take my family here, to be able to go up there, and to have my family 196 00:13:55,770 --> 00:13:56,630 make memories here. 197 00:13:56,630 --> 00:14:01,550 and all the people that we've had a place of claim George Lodge for 30 years. 198 00:14:02,310 --> 00:14:08,270 And anyway, at this point, I'm probably going to complete loss, my life savings, my dream, 199 00:14:08,770 --> 00:14:13,830 my dad had a stroke and can no longer come here to be completely honest. 200 00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:17,710 The men manipulating the ordinance in this town are dishonest and crooked 201 00:14:17,710 --> 00:14:22,290 and I don't want to be within 100 miles of them literally bragging to people that I know 202 00:14:22,290 --> 00:14:25,910 about running their own sovereign nation in the town of Dutch George. 203 00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:31,330 Last time I checked, I lived in America and I want no part of being anywhere near these people. 204 00:14:32,190 --> 00:14:33,770 That's it. Thank you. 205 00:14:33,970 --> 00:14:35,070 Okay. Thank you. 206 00:14:35,370 --> 00:14:36,230 Jamie Barris. 207 00:14:36,550 --> 00:14:37,070 All right. 208 00:14:38,210 --> 00:14:41,730 Well, that's a tough act to follow, but here we go. 209 00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:46,690 So for those of you that don't know me, my name is Jamie Barris. 210 00:14:46,830 --> 00:14:48,150 Scott Barris is my husband. 211 00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:51,690 I have been part of the planning and zoning since February. 212 00:14:51,690 --> 00:14:56,550 of this year. So I can't speak to anything that has happened prior. 213 00:15:00,180 --> 00:15:29,800 As a quick statement to that, I will say, you know, Dutch shunners is small town. It has a lot of work to be done in regards to the structure and the ordinances in order to make it functional and easier for developers to come in and have a comprehensive guide as to how to develop and move forward within the town of Dutch shunners. I do feel that within my time year, that has been a goal 214 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:35,980 that we've tried to achieve. We did also take the town into a moratorium in April, 215 00:15:37,980 --> 00:15:48,680 specifically to basically get better guidelines and better definitions and also implement 216 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:54,140 an ordinance for HUD development because we were lacking one. There was nothing in the ordinance 217 00:15:54,140 --> 00:15:58,060 and all that would give a developer any guidelines 218 00:15:58,060 --> 00:16:03,160 for a HUD development, which did affect the lastly group 219 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,160 specifically because they're a private dated community 220 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,340 that they wanted to have their preliminary proposal 221 00:16:12,770 --> 00:16:16,320 was for what is classified as a HUD. 222 00:16:16,860 --> 00:16:19,820 And so, and they would also bring that up multiple times 223 00:16:19,820 --> 00:16:23,060 that we were lacking in the structure of guidance in that. 224 00:16:23,060 --> 00:16:31,920 So as part of that moratorium was to ensure the proper infrastructure was outlined within the ordinances for those not just his property. 225 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:38,240 There's a resort and other proposals coming through the town of that shun that everyone. 226 00:16:38,860 --> 00:16:52,500 Well, it is our job as the planning and zoning to establish better guidelines, better ordinances and to try and make sure the general plan and the ordinances are cohesive. 227 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:56,580 So that's been our goal. There's still a lot of work to do. 228 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:09,180 I don't think that there's any nefarious intent. I think that you deal with a lot of people that volunteer their time outside of full-time work schedules and stuff like that. 229 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:19,680 And, you know, it is offensive to hear somebody be so negative towards the effort that these people put to the town. 230 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:24,060 on our volunteer firefighters, our AMS, our ambulance 231 00:17:24,060 --> 00:17:28,620 that's coming and to tear it down just because we don't 232 00:17:28,620 --> 00:17:34,400 fit, you know, big city mold. 233 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:35,660 Can I do two for you? 234 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:36,540 Okay. 235 00:17:36,820 --> 00:17:37,960 Down through the wall. 236 00:17:38,420 --> 00:17:38,820 Okay. 237 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:39,260 Everyone. 238 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,980 So, you know, we've heard comments about, you know, us being 239 00:17:44,980 --> 00:17:48,480 unwilling or to work with development where stuck is a town 240 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:53,820 we don't want to grow. All of those I would say are false. Rather I would charge 241 00:17:53,820 --> 00:17:58,200 me as a community or fighting against a developer that I personally feel does 242 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:03,340 not care about the needs, desires, or future of the town or community that this 243 00:18:03,340 --> 00:18:07,900 developer put a single preliminary proposal through and when he didn't receive 244 00:18:07,900 --> 00:18:13,460 the exemptions he requested that other builders have had to do such as reducing 245 00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:17,940 setbacks, not establishing sidewalks, scooters, trails, narrowing streets and 246 00:18:17,940 --> 00:18:23,040 essentially leaving no open spaces for public to continue to enjoy. 247 00:18:25,220 --> 00:18:29,080 Basically asking the town to allow him to build whatever he wants. 248 00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:33,640 When he was denied those setbacks, he set out on a mission to disconnect, to literally 249 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,720 divide the town in half, and would subsequently have devastating effects to the community. 250 00:18:39,340 --> 00:18:44,420 It would ultimately be the district, it will ultimately be the destruction of the town 251 00:18:44,420 --> 00:18:48,140 I'm going to add Sean and all this community has a vision for our future. 252 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:55,960 I'm going to outline what I feel would be negative impacts for our community. 253 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,940 Should we allow the disconnect to go through? 254 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,000 In review of the Utah Code, I would give the following reasons. 255 00:19:05,180 --> 00:19:11,000 There would be material and increased cost to the town to maintain streets, public access 256 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,140 this is fire safety, ambulance, and emergency services 257 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,060 that we do provide through many volunteers. 258 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,980 It would remove the potential tax revenue 259 00:19:19,980 --> 00:19:21,540 from the future development growth, 260 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,880 yet further burden and already stress waters 261 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,240 and sewer system leaving no tax revenue 262 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:27,880 for the town to be able to upgrade 263 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,760 or repair existing infrastructure. 264 00:19:30,500 --> 00:19:34,340 The separation development would economically rely 265 00:19:34,340 --> 00:19:37,440 on the town's local businesses and their employees 266 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,820 that live in the town to maintain its properties 267 00:19:39,820 --> 00:19:46,280 and rely on the business and employees to provide recreation and appeal to the potential 268 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,700 buyers of their property. 269 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:52,840 It would capitalize on the work and services provided through those locals but to seek 270 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:58,600 to remove all kind of it and further burden the limited employment pool without contributing 271 00:19:59,500 --> 00:20:03,100 anything to the economic growth or affordable housing solutions. 272 00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:09,920 The separation would eliminate the necessity of the DG-5-7 to be compliant to any zoning or 273 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:16,420 time ordinances in a small compliant valley which would destroy the community's autonomy 274 00:20:16,780 --> 00:20:22,240 and right to have input to the general plan and future growth of this area, impacting the 275 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:29,000 history and ecology of the community irreparably. The development would not have to conform to a 276 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,320 congruent and complimentary building standards, 277 00:20:31,780 --> 00:20:34,000 negatively impacting any opportunity 278 00:20:34,450 --> 00:20:36,780 for the town and further future developments 279 00:20:36,780 --> 00:20:38,900 to create a cohesive community. 280 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,960 There's further bullet points, 281 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,400 I'm happy to provide this to anyone that would like a copy, 282 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,820 and I've provided it to the town council. 283 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:49,880 So, thank you. 284 00:20:50,180 --> 00:20:50,720 Matt, thank you. 285 00:20:54,110 --> 00:20:54,950 Well, it's good. 286 00:20:56,430 --> 00:20:57,670 Thank you. 287 00:20:57,670 --> 00:20:59,810 Here we go in another fight. 288 00:20:59,810 --> 00:21:03,630 I guess I'll start with that. 289 00:21:04,010 --> 00:21:12,050 I guess I'm disappointed both in Jesse Lossley and the City Council or this town that 290 00:21:12,050 --> 00:21:13,570 we're going down this road again. 291 00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:18,250 I'm tired of fighting. 292 00:21:20,050 --> 00:21:29,390 I'm tired of us not getting along and being productive of built things in this town. 293 00:21:29,390 --> 00:21:35,990 a good build ground in this town of built a livelihood here love all of you 294 00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:43,410 guys a lot it's an extremely special place and I guess I would just like to 295 00:21:43,410 --> 00:21:48,910 say like I would ask you guys don't go down this road both Jesse as well as 296 00:21:48,910 --> 00:21:54,690 this town and get in another argument that's gonna spend our money in order to do 297 00:21:54,690 --> 00:22:01,110 it. There's a ton of solutions with problems just like these, and things where bullsides 298 00:22:01,110 --> 00:22:13,730 can win. And I'm tired of that stubborn, unmovable attitude sometimes from bullsides. I feel 299 00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:19,670 like I've tried to conform in order to get things done, and I would challenge bullsides to 300 00:22:19,670 --> 00:22:26,450 do just that. Try to find some type of compromise. Move past this. That acreage is important to this town 301 00:22:26,450 --> 00:22:32,430 and I would like to see it here. Absolutely. So figure out how to make it work. There's a 302 00:22:32,430 --> 00:22:40,070 solution to this. I guess, again, I'll say it, Jesse, the town figures something out like we can do 303 00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:47,910 this. It's easy, right? And I think full sides want to do good things. That's it. 304 00:22:49,330 --> 00:22:58,550 Okay, next time I missed was Bruce, that's me, I already spoke. Okay, that was good to me. 305 00:22:58,970 --> 00:22:59,830 Julie handy. 306 00:23:04,690 --> 00:23:08,810 First, I'd just like to say if I get any of the number of acreages wrong in my statement, 307 00:23:08,810 --> 00:23:12,030 I apologize, make those adjustments as you guys need. 308 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,060 Good evening, my name is Julie handy. 309 00:23:16,060 --> 00:23:23,040 I'm speaking tonight as a concerned citizen and resident who was raised in Dutch John and has lived a majority of my life here. 310 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:29,960 I strongly oppose DJ-57's request to disconnect roughly 1900 acres from Dutch John's boundaries. 311 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:40,620 Although DJ-57 owns roughly 130, its petition also seeks to disconnect more than 1800 acres of publicly owned land. 312 00:23:41,780 --> 00:23:45,920 Decision affecting such a substantial portion of the town should not be treated as a narrow 313 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:51,320 dispute about whether one copy owner currently receives enough municipal services. 314 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,640 That's shown as a small and unique community, tightly net, need or for growth. 315 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:01,540 Those of us who grew up here understand that the town's value cannot be measured only by 316 00:24:01,540 --> 00:24:04,540 the services provided to a particular vacant parcel today. 317 00:24:05,540 --> 00:24:08,260 Municipal boundaries also shape the community's future, 318 00:24:08,500 --> 00:24:12,700 the ability to plan responsibly, manage compatible development, 319 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,960 protect access and infrastructure, and maintain a coherent voice 320 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,260 when dealing with the county, state, and federal government. 321 00:24:20,820 --> 00:24:24,640 D.J. 57's letter repeatedly argues that disconnection 322 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,760 will have no adverse effect because the land is largely vacant 323 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,440 and the town does not currently provide certain services there. 324 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,700 But current conditions are not the only consideration. 325 00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:40,660 Make it land may be developed as is proposed, infrastructure needs may change, public lands 326 00:24:40,660 --> 00:24:45,300 and private development can significantly affect the residents and businesses within 327 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:45,720 the town. 328 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,620 Once the territory is removed, that shong will lose meaningful influence over decisions 329 00:24:50,620 --> 00:24:52,380 that could shape the community for generations. 330 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,160 There are quite also deserves careful scrutiny because the petition removed far more land 331 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:04,500 them DJ 57 itself owns. Before agreeing to disconnect the nearly 2000 acres, the town should 332 00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:09,560 be independently examining the legal, financial, planning, infrastructure, and geographic 333 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,720 consequences. Not simply accept the petitioners' conclusion that the effect will be minimal. 334 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,380 But Sean worked hard to become an incorporated community and gain a voice in its own future. 335 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:25,240 I am proud of those community members who fought to incorporate this town and find the notion 336 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,700 of disconnecting a substantial portion of this town that they love is respectful. 337 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,620 Disconnecting this land weakens the town's voice, limits its opportunities and has consequences 338 00:25:35,620 --> 00:25:41,220 beyond what can be predicted. The town and its community won't grow, but growth should not be done 339 00:25:41,220 --> 00:25:47,020 rapidly, uncontrolled, or against the current character of the town. I respectfully ask the town 340 00:25:47,020 --> 00:25:53,060 council to oppose the petition and preserve Dutch-Chung's existing boundaries. And I pose one question 341 00:25:53,060 --> 00:25:58,420 ten seconds to those looking to develop in the sound. The town chose to 342 00:25:58,420 --> 00:26:05,460 incorporate for a region. The county and the history that's there is worth looking at. 343 00:26:05,980 --> 00:26:10,980 It's only been, we've only incorporated for ten years. It hasn't had that much 344 00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:17,820 trying to develop into the potential future I see it has. Okay, thanks. Next. 345 00:26:21,060 --> 00:26:28,720 just before just before before going further here because we're going to run out of time for this meeting but with consent of the planning zoning chair. 346 00:26:29,820 --> 00:26:32,980 You'll let us move into your melodic time. 347 00:26:33,260 --> 00:26:33,640 I can talk. 348 00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:34,720 Okay with that consent. 349 00:26:35,140 --> 00:26:35,420 Go ahead. 350 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,180 So next on the list. 351 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,500 I'm Jesse lastly. 352 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:40,580 I know a few of you here. 353 00:26:40,660 --> 00:26:41,440 I don't know all of you. 354 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,320 Are you taking three minutes? 355 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:43,120 Yeah. 356 00:26:43,340 --> 00:26:43,960 Can I take three? 357 00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:44,640 No. 358 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:44,900 Three. 359 00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:48,840 research. So I don't know everybody here, no charlotte 360 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,020 plug or 10 music, it's pretty good outdoors. 361 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,540 But I just want to be very, very 362 00:26:54,540 --> 00:26:58,000 clear about this process. And I know there are some people that are new to 363 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,360 planning commission. I've owned a house here for a number of years on 364 00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:06,460 forestry. And I might tell you, I started out trying to build a boat garage 365 00:27:06,460 --> 00:27:11,340 here. And it cost me only about 45 grand to go through the process with the 366 00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:16,420 town, and I don't have a boat drive. So I went out there and looked at some land. So 367 00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:21,180 day I'm going to go build a place, just like Lincoln wanted to go do. So I bought some land. 368 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:31,020 And I was following the rules. And I've spent six figures, six figures a month. This isn't 369 00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:36,360 like a slow little process. And I've gone through the planning commission. I follow the rules 370 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:43,700 of the ordinances, that there is a PUD process. I worked with planning and zoning, got verbal 371 00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:49,060 confirmation to move forward with preliminary plot. And what do I get? I even worked with 372 00:27:49,060 --> 00:27:54,660 the staff. And they said we talked about curve gutter and sidewalk waivers. I had books and 373 00:27:54,660 --> 00:28:00,900 hung up on the property. They understood the terrain. And why we were doing that. It gets passed. 374 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:08,240 I go to try to do my project and just like everybody else, it has land here, surprise, 375 00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:13,140 surprise, we get moratoriums, and then the rules change, and I was following the rules. 376 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,840 So look, at the end of the day, I have worked with that Sean. 377 00:28:18,580 --> 00:28:23,740 I have been over backwards, I've spent tons of money, and I appreciate Matt's comments, 378 00:28:23,740 --> 00:28:31,760 But I got to tell you at some point, just like Lincoln over there, in his $50,000 paper 379 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:38,500 plans, I've got six figures of paper lands, and I've really tried to work hard, and I 380 00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:44,180 don't know what to do at this point because I feel like, and it's really disappointing 381 00:28:44,830 --> 00:28:49,880 to work with a planning commission and have the mayor and everybody else, and you're telling 382 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,620 them what's going on. 383 00:28:50,620 --> 00:28:58,240 this isn't some big surprise. My Ranch 8 project that's trying to do. So at the end of the day, 384 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:04,680 I appreciate all your comments. I'm not here to disrupt your life. I want to do a nice project 385 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:10,580 in the community. I love Dutch John. I love the people here that I know. I have lots of friends. 386 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,300 I've donated my property for free for fireworks for years. That's nothing. 387 00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:22,800 But I do want the community to understand that there's stuff going on here and I appreciate 388 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,660 all coming out tonight because this is the biggest crowd I've ever seen and I've been 389 00:29:26,660 --> 00:29:31,100 to these planning and zoning or the probably anybody in here 15 seconds. 390 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,500 So I appreciate you guys coming here but I want you to let you know I'm working with the 391 00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:38,640 community, I support the community, I'm going to do a good part. 392 00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:40,300 So thank you. 393 00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:45,000 I don't know what time it is. 394 00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:49,640 Um, Jeff has gone online and he found his handries. 395 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:50,920 He has? 396 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:51,400 Okay. 397 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,260 He's got a comment? 398 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:53,780 Okay. 399 00:29:54,260 --> 00:29:54,680 Go ahead. 400 00:29:56,260 --> 00:29:57,160 Jeff, are you there? 401 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,160 He's a, Jeff, you're on mute if you can hear us. 402 00:30:12,970 --> 00:30:37,750 Either on mute. Oh, he's muted, old. Yeah. Anyway, it'll unmute and then it. Let's go to the next and try to get a holding. See him up. Can't you send away a little messages or something? Say, be ready. Check the. Go ahead, Paul. Is it possible to make a comment? I didn't get on the sign up to you. I wasn't aware of the weather. I'm sorry. What? Why don't you just give me that? All right. 403 00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:40,670 So Harriet, call the next one, okay? 404 00:30:41,310 --> 00:30:42,210 There was anybody else on the board. 405 00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:47,430 Okay, well, then the next one, Dave, you can go ahead three minutes. 406 00:30:48,030 --> 00:30:52,230 All right, so I'm Dave McDonald, the highly-lawigned Dave McDonald. 407 00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:54,310 You asked me to do this after. 408 00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:57,450 Yeah, I'll get you. 409 00:30:59,890 --> 00:31:05,270 The one thing that I want to kind of point out to everybody is that before Jesse got involved with the community, 410 00:31:05,270 --> 00:31:07,110 that we had created and finished 411 00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:08,990 by planning them zoning ordinance. 412 00:31:09,730 --> 00:31:11,670 And in that planning and zoning ordinance, 413 00:31:12,150 --> 00:31:15,450 still today, the same one that he signed up for 414 00:31:15,450 --> 00:31:16,630 when he bought his land, 415 00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:19,510 it required that you do certain things 416 00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:21,730 to do as a development in the town of Dustjohn. 417 00:31:22,290 --> 00:31:25,570 And the things that he seems to be the best I know 418 00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:29,590 upset about is he doesn't want to do a carbon gutter. 419 00:31:29,730 --> 00:31:30,790 He doesn't want to do sidewalk, 420 00:31:31,210 --> 00:31:33,070 he doesn't want to do hard surface driveways. 421 00:31:33,070 --> 00:31:35,950 He doesn't want to make a proper town out of his development. 422 00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:38,830 He wants it to be more rural, like rural, 423 00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:40,130 baggy county. 424 00:31:40,990 --> 00:31:43,010 Well, that doesn't work in town. 425 00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:46,750 And to now that he finds that he has to do that, 426 00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:48,850 he wants to take his toys and go home. 427 00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:53,290 This has just been an amazing experience. 428 00:31:54,350 --> 00:31:55,410 And it hasn't helped. 429 00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:57,810 I don't know if all of you guys really understand 430 00:31:58,510 --> 00:32:01,670 how hard we fight with Daggett County, 431 00:32:01,670 --> 00:32:06,230 who is the owner of all this land, who's selling it, without telling people that it comes 432 00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:07,530 with strings. 433 00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:09,010 And this counted rates. 434 00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:09,930 I'm sorry? 435 00:32:10,150 --> 00:32:11,190 That discounted rates. 436 00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:11,830 Yeah. 437 00:32:12,370 --> 00:32:14,050 Well, but I don't care what the rate is. 438 00:32:14,350 --> 00:32:19,110 The fact that they don't represent it honestly to people who were buying. 439 00:32:19,290 --> 00:32:22,910 So Jesse gets stuck with a piece of property that he has an idea of what he's going to do 440 00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:23,190 with it. 441 00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:28,910 And then he comes and looks, it belatedly, how do we say, he comes and looks at the planet 442 00:32:28,910 --> 00:32:35,430 in England's only wardens, that didn't work with what his mental image was, I guess. 443 00:32:36,050 --> 00:32:37,590 I've done that, and not it's not true. 444 00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:39,370 That is not true, Dave. 445 00:32:39,650 --> 00:32:43,570 Okay, so this is public hearing, let's not have no discussion. 446 00:32:44,190 --> 00:32:45,750 Yeah, let's keep on track. 447 00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:53,690 Anyway, at this point, rather than trying to tear the town apart, I would say that it would be best 448 00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:56,510 to try to sit down and find a solution. 449 00:32:59,130 --> 00:33:03,190 Because if we end up in court, which is where this 450 00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:14,010 seems to be happening, it nobody wins. Nobody wins. Nobody wins. Okay, anybody else getting 451 00:33:14,010 --> 00:33:20,350 comments on making statements about this disconnect? You can still, I'll tell you, we'll take 452 00:33:20,350 --> 00:33:25,990 written. Oh go ahead. Is there a possibility to find land that's outside the town of 453 00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:29,910 this town that you can be required? We're not going to get into debate here tonight. 454 00:33:30,150 --> 00:33:34,730 Yeah. So do I have a minute? Can I have a minute? Can I have a minute? I'm just telling you 455 00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:41,330 would I have a minute? Sure but we're not going to get into debate. Is there a possibility that 456 00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:46,470 there could be a land trade and maybe you can put your project kind of what you want to do? 457 00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:54,130 maybe outside of the context of our town so that it doesn't impact all these people's thoughts and feelings and you seeing yourself. 458 00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:56,150 Let's just read this. 459 00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:59,010 So let's keep it in just a public comment. 460 00:34:00,590 --> 00:34:03,350 That's what we need to do here, public comments on this. 461 00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:04,870 And that's what we're asking for. 462 00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:05,050 Yeah. 463 00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:06,070 Is it public comments? 464 00:34:06,970 --> 00:34:07,670 And so. 465 00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:09,310 I just look at a solution possibly. 466 00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:15,730 So with public comments come that's what we want to hear about public comments about this disconnect. 467 00:34:15,730 --> 00:34:22,670 Yeah, and then you know, I hear you kind of trying to make it in there, but it's just like let's not that you're you're almost 468 00:34:22,670 --> 00:34:28,190 good into trying to figure out how to go for a solution, but look at it like you know this town was kind of 469 00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:37,270 incorporated so that any land sold and taxes can be profitable and helpful for a community, okay, 470 00:34:37,290 --> 00:34:41,910 and our taxes and all the stuff that goes with land sales and stuff like that seem to be going too 471 00:34:41,910 --> 00:34:48,650 So as we disconnect and you go to dad get that doesn't help our community much in the terms of 472 00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:50,890 benefiting all the people that live here 473 00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:57,510 This is a small place and tightly knit through the people that have a passion for this area. So 474 00:34:58,410 --> 00:35:04,310 Excuse me. I know what I said. I'm trying to keep it into a public comment. You tell them you need to be talking to the council 475 00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:08,170 That's what you that's what this is. We receive the council using 476 00:35:08,670 --> 00:35:11,930 Well, you were, we were seeing it. It's hard. It's hard hearing. 477 00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:12,970 You talk to us. 478 00:35:12,970 --> 00:35:14,350 I guess you don't want to hear what I have to say. So go ahead. 479 00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:14,650 Okay. 480 00:35:15,110 --> 00:35:17,130 Now I'm just trying to tell you that this is how I see it. 481 00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:18,070 That's what I was thinking. Go ahead. 482 00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:20,490 And I'm just saying that, you know, 483 00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:22,650 over the clock about, just get it. 484 00:35:22,770 --> 00:35:24,310 We're extending about it. 485 00:35:24,450 --> 00:35:24,770 We're fine. 486 00:35:25,110 --> 00:35:25,570 We're extending it. 487 00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:27,590 We're extending it. 488 00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:28,670 Okay. 489 00:35:30,610 --> 00:35:32,170 I'm never going to start the time on you. 490 00:35:32,890 --> 00:35:33,250 So. 491 00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:34,050 Good. 492 00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:40,050 It goes out of text from Jeff Haskell, he says that he's been muted by our system and he can't get through. 493 00:35:40,450 --> 00:35:43,010 All right, let's hit. 494 00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:46,330 Hey, it looks like you got it off, guys. 495 00:35:46,570 --> 00:35:47,030 Thank you. 496 00:35:47,330 --> 00:35:47,670 All right. 497 00:35:47,970 --> 00:35:48,930 You got three minutes, Jeff. 498 00:35:49,690 --> 00:35:50,430 Right on. 499 00:35:50,650 --> 00:35:52,430 And I want the dome to need three minutes. 500 00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:53,970 I didn't prepare three minutes. 501 00:35:54,910 --> 00:36:00,070 While I do agree with, you know, Matt said I'd love to find some common ground. 502 00:36:00,070 --> 00:36:05,430 I'm in full agreement with Mrs. Barris on her position. 503 00:36:05,590 --> 00:36:14,350 I've owned a home in Dutch John for 25 some odd years and I have seen a lot of positive 504 00:36:14,350 --> 00:36:21,030 changes up there and I'm really happy with those and my concern is, is if those tax dollars 505 00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:26,050 aren't coming into the town, everyone's still going to use our roads, our services, etc. 506 00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:28,650 There's not going to be a lot of benefits. 507 00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:34,830 So, well, I'd like to find some common ground and something that makes sense that it's a win-win for everyone. 508 00:36:36,070 --> 00:36:49,150 I don't necessarily like the idea of what is being proposed as far as, and actually in all this land around us, and us not having any say or control over it going forward. 509 00:36:49,410 --> 00:36:56,790 So, essentially that's what I have to say at this point. I'll prepare a more accurate written statement, 510 00:36:56,790 --> 00:37:05,190 But I definitely wanted my voice heard I I don't want to see this happen if it doesn't make sense and we're not benefiting from it as a town 511 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:09,310 Okay, thanks. Yeah, so one thing I want to make a comment on so 512 00:37:10,110 --> 00:37:19,990 We'll take public comments written public comments or text messages or anything like that until September 2nd at 5 p.m 513 00:37:20,610 --> 00:37:26,630 And so if you have any of the comments you send them to the town council or you drop them by however you want to 514 00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:32,650 Yeah, would you put it out on that text bill, you know, that text bill that people want to put up. 515 00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:34,490 Did John Morton have a letter already? 516 00:37:34,610 --> 00:37:36,010 Yeah, that's right, John Morton had. 517 00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:38,030 Did you have that? 518 00:37:38,050 --> 00:37:39,370 I think it's on with you. 519 00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:42,950 Well, anyway, we have received some letters. 520 00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:49,750 We have people that, you know, there are feelings about that, so we have those on file. 521 00:37:50,090 --> 00:37:54,350 All this stuff will be taken up and then we'll, for the public comments. 522 00:38:00,980 --> 00:38:13,560 I just got to say, excuse me, Dan Bolton, volunteer, everything, yeah, separation might sound 523 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:19,120 good, but be careful what you wish for. As volunteers aren't getting up out of bed to 524 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,040 to help people that aren't going to help us. 525 00:38:21,940 --> 00:38:22,600 That's how I was. 526 00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:23,040 Okay. 527 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,960 Okay, I move to adjourn. 528 00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:27,820 So moved. 529 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:28,560 So moved. 530 00:38:28,980 --> 00:38:30,160 All favor say aye. 531 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:30,680 Aye.