[0:03] Mhm
[0:05] Mhm.
[0:10] to Do we have anyone here that would like to give a public comment?
[0:28] Or what's your comments or yeah, this is, yeah this is your time to do that and if
[0:33] we can, so I know they're not great if we can turn on the microphones so just so
[0:40] not and you don't all have to. I would like chairs for this and then door if you'll
[0:45] just turn yours on we just wanna try these um these are new because we could not
[0:51] hear I was never.
[0:55] You can, yeah,
[0:59] um, so all of these are now connected. Um, they are just microphones. We still have
[1:06] our recording system which is up closer to you, um, but these are more for when we
[1:12] have meetings and we have people in the back that could not hear and so we're just
[1:17] trying these out. They're brand new and we just got them at the end of last week,
[1:21] so I appreciate you being the guinea pigs. So that we can try, um, and if you want
[1:27] to, it does pick up a lot of noise we're gonna get some pads and stuff so if you're
[1:33] flipping papers or something you want to turn it off while you're doing that, great,
[1:37] um, but if you can just remember to turn it on later, don't wait to. So if you wanna
[1:43] turn them off right now, you're fine and it's just hit the button if it's red, it's
[1:47] on and then it's not lit up then I think it's fine. I'll turn it on. Yes, please.
[1:55] Thank you. OK, sorry. So question on assignments. Yes, so I'll record it down here.
[2:02] We have a big, uh, video frame, and it's now been here for about 4-5 months. It's
[2:07] on still an option. Yes, so it's just always there and I just It's not what's bugging
[2:14] me when we finished the second option and now another one set schedule and it's like
[2:19] what's the what's the point on having so I'll have to look at it. They did pull a
[2:25] sign from it. We, we actually did take it down, um, previously because she did not
[2:31] have a sign from it and so we made them come in and get the sign from it and let
[2:35] them know that yearly that would be. The requirement for her being able to do that
[2:40] and then it had to be in kind of circle case. Area it couldn't be in our right away
[2:48] and so that's why it's more in the grammar um but I will double check on the time
[2:52] frames for you. It was just, it's just constantly there. I'm like we have other businesses
[2:57] that are doing things that we want and I'm like so. They, they need to come get a
[3:01] sign permit, um, and then again because Main Street's different if it's a business
[3:07] on Main Street, yes, you can put up a sign. Still recommend you getting the sign
[3:11] permit and everything is. Yes, OK, yes, yes, so we have all those sizes and,
[3:19] and all of that, um, and depending on the type of sign that influences what they're
[3:25] required to do. So the bigger the sign gets, then it does have to come to you guys,
[3:31] not as the commission, but as the design review technique. And then people that just
[3:37] put in frames down the sides of the roads advertising their business, so we are trying
[3:43] to get those, um, there's some of them that, yes, yeah, and we just, I have been
[3:51] out a lot and so Will is trying to grab those as he can. I did notice a big uptick,
[3:58] um, and so we try when we go out or goes out inspections or I'm out and about we
[4:03] try to go grab those, especially our ones that do not have signs um we have grabbed
[4:09] some of the royalty ones that will not have those signs on them because it's not
[4:14] for that no, yes, that's fine it's just you're starting to see a few companies and
[4:19] all of a sudden they just turn over the other side of the road going up. The account
[4:24] is like I know I'm, I'm, I'm now. Absolutely. But yes, the ones in town we're trying
[4:32] to make sure we get, um, well, every once in a while if there's kind of a good gap
[4:37] in the outcome, he tries to swing by some of the really heavily signed, I guess,
[4:43] locations that we know. So if you do see some, please feel free to reach out to Bill
[4:48] or I so that we know like, hey, there's one. Down here in River Run where maybe we
[4:54] don't go or you know there's some on ground or there's some over on Utah or there's
[5:00] some in subdivisions because we don't go into all of the areas we usually travel
[5:06] the main roadways and that's usually where they are but I have noticed there are
[5:11] some in in the places they have a permit they have a time frame.
[5:17] They typically per state statute you have up until the election and then I believe
[5:25] I think it's like a few days after and they just changed that. So they just changed
[5:31] the permitting, so I have to talk with Jessica again, um, because that was the change
[5:38] they just made this year was whether there was permitting or not. And so that was
[5:44] when we were still going over, but they're still not allowed to put them on Main
[5:48] Street in our rider. They still have to be backed off by the um and out of the right.
[5:56] Yes. But we will look into it. Yes, I, I have noticed it's, yes.
[6:05] Do we have babies on any of the larger projects going on in town? I know I kind of
[6:10] get approached by it pretty often. Right, which ones like, um, rices and the mustards
[6:18] and I'm not sure if we have all the online and how those are going, um, also, do
[6:23] we have any CUP deadlines coming up or check-ins that we need to do?
[6:32] I don't really see you in the next.
[6:38] Mhm.
[6:45] And did you see those um those um bus groups have been communicating, um. And
[6:53] they did have to wait time for us to put the water in. I have communicated to him.
[6:58] I was in a meeting, but he came back, so I made sure that, um, someone I know that
[7:05] we need to see forward progress on installing those utility lines for that, um, and
[7:11] they included me on that, um. But now that we are installing that line, they know
[7:17] where it's going to go when they have all of that, that's not a question anymore
[7:22] if he's been able to see where the drainage goes. We have. And then they get storms
[7:27] that allow us to see, yes, um, and so typically what happens with the CUP is if there
[7:34] is no action, there's no updates. Some of them like him, you know, he had to get
[7:39] surveyed, he had to get some engineering, some things like that, and so it doesn't
[7:44] always seem like there's work being done, but there is. He's not at that point where
[7:50] there needs to be some physical work done. Um, he has roughly 6 months. If no physical
[7:57] work is being done by then and there's not communication, then we will actually decide
[8:02] the CMP. Um, and it can't be denied. I've, I've been very close on them to people
[8:10] that almost went back to denying with the UP, um, because the.
[8:17] Anything and I have to actually fill two counts. It's good just to know this is,
[8:23] you know, there's questions around, yes, so he is supposed to be working on finalizing
[8:28] more lines and all that. So I hope within the next month to have some more concrete
[8:34] plans and some more concrete things happening, um, and we'll update you. But if we
[8:40] don't start seeing that he was made aware. Of those stipulations, um, on my handling
[8:46] was he actually felt. I Mhm.
[8:57] And a backing engineer.
[9:01] He, he wants to add a little office building in the northwest corner. He wants to
[9:06] add more to the question, um, yeah. So we did go over that some who was informed
[9:13] that it will. We have to go back to the vein review, um, you know, we shared our
[9:21] Very much big concerns with that as far as how much is on the property, the parking
[9:26] spaces, utilities, um. He is going to do some drywall, so that's why I'm there and
[9:34] I told him, you know, that could affect where this building is going because that
[9:38] was where his drywall was going was in that same corner, um, and so between engineering
[9:45] and that you there could be some further competitions, um, but hopefully he had some
[9:53] updated plans with the building and things like that so it's moving forward just
[9:59] we'll see. Um, but they do have it as now like, like a restaurant style like you
[10:07] talked about. Kind of office slash workspaces and then go on.
[10:16] And still yes ma'am, and still the pop shop.
[10:23] Yes, yeah, so it could be coming back to. Huh, yeah, that's the first thing I was
[10:29] a pop. That could be interesting too. No, it's actually not allowed within, uh, most
[10:38] of the schools like. It's like 1000 ft or something and it it's really frozen with
[10:44] the score then that's, that's why we don't have those in home that's because of it's
[10:49] just no no it's pop pop yeah so that those are moving
[10:57] forward just slowly. OK, thank you. Yes, I appreciate it.
[11:04] That was, I was gonna ask you about that because it did the cartridge, did they,
[11:10] did it sell supposed to close Monday. That's so, and they're gonna come up real quick
[11:16] if you if you haven't gone. Do I still find them? We need to. No, we do. Yes, I agree.
[11:23] Yeah, it's hard to get in the water.
[11:28] That's only your time when I go.
[11:32] Uh, the staff have a reports for us as the commission of the.
[11:37] Uh, so Will did just get an application today, um, for a potential shock.
[11:45] It would be a variance type situation again. So depending on how that goes, next
[11:50] month we may have a variance. To look over, um, and then again it's some limitations
[11:57] on space and terrain and some things like that. So very similar to what we had before,
[12:03] um, so just so you're aware of that, I am going to be at a conference on Flagstaff
[12:08] starting tomorrow, but I don't have my phone. I don't have the laptop, so if you
[12:13] think of things or if you need anything, don't hesitate to reach out. Um, when you
[12:17] say shop like everyone's talking about what we just said. Yes, yeah, just like we
[12:23] did before with the world adjustment, um, it's kind of the same scenario, maybe a
[12:29] little worse than this guy's situation of trying to go behind them so. He's on the
[12:35] edge of the mountain. So there's no one shop shop or.
[12:43] 24 by 30 detached garage up on Spruce in the in the curve of Spruce and we and we
[12:49] will get to that, but that will be like the only thing. For us right now, um, we
[12:56] will probably have a meeting that month just. It was because we need to have some
[13:00] more and more session. Some codes and updates and things um and then we will.
[13:09] So, um, December just because. We all know how that goes. So.
[13:17] Other than that, I think that's it. Do you have anything? OK.
[13:26] I.
[13:35] Has everyone had time to review the minutes?
[13:39] I put my papers. You're good. You're fine.
[13:45] And these are the minutes from September 8, 2026.
[13:53] OK
[14:14] I can make a motion that I.
[14:21] September 8th, September 8th, 2026. Can I send you back.
[14:31] Thank you. OK, moving on to Item number 8. New business.
[14:41] Discussion regarding Years in town I didn't know. These guts which
[14:50] So the A under 7 should actually be the new business. So I apologize. That was my
[14:57] understanding, um, so if you will read the discussion financial action to determine,
[15:03] sure, perfect, especially impossible action to determine by a minute or so to 10:30.
[15:12] 2 data centers data processing disabilities and similar uses.
[15:20] And I will let you.
[15:27] And therefore constitute permanent. Yes.
[15:32] OK, so chair and commission, um, part of the reason this came up is we do have some
[15:39] concerns in the community about where these go, what is happening, things like this,
[15:44] um, in order to make sure that this commission acts in accordance with state law
[15:50] but also with town code, I did work with our attorney Brett Rigg to ensure that we
[15:57] did this correctly. After speaking with him, um, uh, we included Proposition 207.
[16:05] Um, which was provided to union defendants which states private property rights.
[16:11] Kind of to sum that up, basically what that means is it is illegal for a community,
[16:17] town, city, anything like that and after the fact and say no, this requires the
[16:25] CUP this requires the CUP if it aligns with other industrial uses. So,
[16:33] um, what was recommended is that for the 207 proposition, we approved
[16:41] data centers being a formidable use in I1 zoning only, um, and then we are going
[16:48] to work on the standards that they will have to follow.
[16:53] And that is part of the reason for the work session is to redefine and kind of get
[16:59] a better sense of what's needed because if it's a code they have to follow all of
[17:05] those things before we could even think about issuing it. Because correctly if I'm
[17:10] wrong from the government we really can't say that they're not allowed. It's not
[17:16] what I'm saying. So my understanding from Marjorie is per state, um, and pretty much
[17:24] nationally data centers are considered an industrial zone use. So as much
[17:32] as, as much as we may not like that or we want to have some control over that, we
[17:37] do have to follow in line with states, um, and do that. So by middle order I would
[17:42] recommend that we do approve them as a permitted use. In the industrial zoning as
[17:50] long as they are not detrimental to public health safety, um, and they meet those
[17:56] program standards.
[17:59] And I would, I would make the motion pretty much how we wrote that a, um, and so
[18:06] that way you resolve what comes across. This just lets us know that yes, this is
[18:11] gonna get, this is added into our industrialism and like I said, the whole mission
[18:16] is to push. Better solidifies what we need and what we so do we
[18:23] Approvement network on the phone or correct, yes, and then no, so we're gonna put
[18:29] this at the time so we motion and then we're, yes, and then, and then we'll go ahead
[18:35] with the work session too, yeah, we'll make a motion to go in the work session and
[18:39] then we will get into some of the labor, OK, and make a note so.
[18:45] To. They were I'm gonna work in town for 1852, 29.
[18:55] Right
[18:57] Um You can, I think you can, well, just read the whole thing, yeah, OK. What it is
[19:05] that are data processing facilities and similarities are similar to the uses permitted
[19:09] in the Iowa industrial zone and are not detrimental to the public health agents in
[19:13] America, but the law there and therefore constitute permitted uses in the Iowa industrial
[19:18] zone.
[19:21] I'm sick on that. I don't think I did.
[19:28] Any names.
[19:34] OK, now we can, yeah, I'd like to make a session. A second elevator and
[19:42] right. OK. One session, a discussion related to a missing childhood chapter 18.
[19:50] And actually it's more that sexual pain. I love that to you now that you can and
[19:56] we'll give you business. Yep.
[20:01] Discretion regarding potential development standards and talent coding amendments
[20:04] applicable to data centers, data processing. Similar uses water usage, energy, and
[20:11] electrical demands such as size and hydros, backup generators, screening water, fire
[20:17] and water safety requirements, infrastructure impacts, and other appropriate development
[20:22] standards. OK, so, um, in your packet I believe was included kind of
[20:30] just the basic front page of industrial zone with the, um,
[20:38] When we have that meeting.
[20:42] I don't know. I don't. So I'm the development stage in current code. It is
[20:49] very Not even late. It's, there is not a lot to ask to go off, um,
[20:57] which made it difficult in some ways, even with the other that was suggested, I didn't
[21:04] ask for any special, um, so it makes it very confusing for someone that's trying
[21:10] to come to know, hey, I have to meet all these requirements. But then it also makes
[21:16] it hard on your end, our end of being like, hey, no, you, this is in code, this is
[21:23] what it is, we have to have these things, um, so this is not just coming up just
[21:29] because of data centers. This will be a comprehensive list for any type of industrial
[21:36] building. That is coming in. Part of the reason for like the height with the Nichols
[21:41] when they had to come for the 32 ft building, I think it was for, you know, 32 inches,
[21:48] yeah,
[21:51] um, you know, I, I don't feel like in an industrial zone. We should have to approve
[21:57] those all the time. Um, I do feel like we need to have a standard set of here's a
[22:04] height that everyone's OK with for industrial, um, even with like smokestacks or,
[22:10] you know, towers. Hey, you can go to this minimum height without having to come first
[22:18] to your feet, um, but we see. We've experienced over kind of the last year I
[22:26] would really like to get it in code and work on developing standards that we are
[22:32] all OK with we feel like we'll benefit the town, but we'll also kind of give pause
[22:37] to some of these companies coming in to make them be cognizant of the fact that hey,
[22:43] I have to have A through Z done before I can even get a permit, um. I did want to
[22:50] share something that was just shared with me today. So there is a new CEO of Navapache
[22:56] Electric. He has taken the time to meet with our manager. Um, he is actually from
[23:02] back east, I believe, or one of those where he has dealt with data centers, big energy
[23:10] users.
[23:12] I told one of his requests and how we worked this into code I'm not quite sure yet
[23:17] um but he would like to be very much involved with the process when it comes to energy.
[23:24] And what they could even provide to these companies, um, because there's gonna be
[23:30] limits on what they can provide, which limits what can come into our area as well.
[23:37] Um, so that's just something to be aware of. So I know. Some of you probably do have
[23:43] some different things, so this is just our time that we can kind of work through
[23:47] things. To help her yet we wanna keep kind of coming up with a list refining things
[23:55] getting things ready so that it can go to council and we adopted.
[24:01] And so this is something more than uh we were talking about data centers for all
[24:07] of that with the attorney. This was kind of our way of Yes, we need to allow those
[24:14] high industrial use, but Here's XYZ that you have to meet that helps protect us
[24:21] as even residents, um, and ourselves and then things like that without breaking
[24:28] state law and things like that. So really, I have another question. Is there a vessel
[24:34] level for the industrial area that you have um I'm not sure I can think of why
[24:42] that they can be extremely bad so that's, I think that's what the stomach and Elizabeth
[24:47] has noise, um, the energy, but even.
[24:55] Um How much of the land they can actually move. For a building versus
[25:08] Yeah,
[25:11] I mean, I mean we get those topics that are concerns and then we can build up topics
[25:16] make a list of topics, yeah, and so if you look at that age and those were just some
[25:23] of the areas that we looked at, um, so he did. Both of
[25:30] those Um, with kind of input that we gave so that we were seeing some of those areas,
[25:37] so it's the one other new business. So it's 88.
[25:46] And it's where it talks about, you know, water usage, energy and electrical demand
[25:52] setbacks, building sites, noise, backup generators, screaming, which would be, you
[25:58] know, fencing materials and having it blocked off, um, fighting fire and safety,
[26:04] um, requirements, infrastructure impacts. Which are huge. A lot of people don't think
[26:10] about those either is, you know, we're still working on trying to expand our infrastructure
[26:17] and so we need to have something set up. What is this gonna impact it?
[26:26] One of the things that I've been working on as well, it's just not quite ready yet.
[26:32] What we've been communicating with council is if these businesses are gonna come
[26:37] in. And they're allowed and they can meet all these requirements. These are
[26:44] Hundreds of thousands, billions of dollars' worth of companies that we need to have
[26:50] access to write a film. Not saying that we want that, but they're going to come in,
[26:55] they're going to.
[26:58] They need to put some skin in the game, so they need to help pay for some infrastructure
[27:04] updates. They need to help pay for upgrading the fire department, upgrading the fire
[27:10] department, updating how many the wind farms over there and the things that they're
[27:14] doing. So we're regionally we are all trying to work on something similar because.
[27:24] As much as we maybe don't agree with them, we may not be able to stop them. And so
[27:30] instead of them getting to come in and yeah, we're just gonna ruin your land and
[27:36] we're just gonna do this and we can just come in and it's like, oh no, hey, we, we
[27:41] need some of these things. We need training. We need funds for more staff to help
[27:48] deal with. We need these types of things, um, and, and most of these companies are
[27:54] mobile use from what I've heard from. Across the nation They are willing to pony
[28:00] up. So, um, my sister-in-law, I don't know the word in my.
[28:08] bored over there. And they were approached by a day center and they approved it,
[28:15] which I was very shocked that they did, um, but they had said basically like we get
[28:20] our own water, we pay for our own energy, blah blah blah, and they're investing millions
[28:26] of dollars into the account, so it's going to The schools, it goes to healthcare.
[28:32] It goes to, so I definitely think that that's, you know, if they meet the requirements
[28:38] that they have, I, I do 100% agree that they need to invest in it. I don't know how
[28:44] you write that in, but I, I kind of feel like, I mean, that's what he does down in
[28:49] Tucson. They spend. Google's about salary or helping with housing and um infrastructure
[28:57] schools and I feel like it would be involved or kind of like for us. No, and, and
[29:04] most of them, like I said, I get all calls from those people all over the nation.
[29:10] They will, but, and, and you don't have small. What seems ridiculous to us
[29:18] is nothing to them. Um, and like I said, it does not mean that I necessarily agree
[29:23] with everything or that you guys agree with everything, but if we can meet those
[29:28] requirements, I think we do need to have that caveat of, OK. You're gonna invest
[29:33] in our community. You're gonna invest in our faith to help improve our community
[29:39] and our standard of living. Because you're gonna be a partner now in our community
[29:44] and we'll have to track. Do we have any um Mhm.
[29:55] Have we, I haven't checked in, obviously I can't. What did you do? I mean, I have
[30:01] not heard that it's It is not moving towards us, so that's something to keep in
[30:08] mind too is. We want to have these things. We want to have them. Some of them are
[30:14] not moving. We have, um, I've been some different reports done by different community
[30:21] organizations, different groups, different things like that. I.
[30:28] These are Across the whole state. Like biggest impact that you've seen in 40 years
[30:36] tremendous growth in the valley probably has something to do with that and they don't
[30:40] even look like they're going to slow down until after 2030. Yes, so I, I would agree
[30:44] with that 100% and they say they want to get rid of the coal fired power plants.
[30:49] Yes. Um, but, so they are looking at and stressing over.
[30:57] How are we going to get all this power? And this doesn't include Any new disease
[31:03] centers? Any new Water users, anything like that. That's just basic supply and demand
[31:09] of what's already here because it got so hot everywhere and then we have, you
[31:17] know, and it was you have to be cold too. I mean, yes. It is a personal problem.
[31:24] Yes, no, it is. Yes, we use electricity like it's free. Yes, we do because we wanna
[31:30] be comfortable, so it's not gonna change. No, well, and, and, and in the valley,
[31:35] I mean, I can't live because I would, I would literally, I would be dying. I would
[31:41] be like, no, I might be just leave me in the pool or something with a cabana because.
[31:47] 11,500 whatever it got like I, that's just crazy. Um, but yeah,
[31:54] so that is, that is. Part of the reason I made it so why these projects are not
[32:02] moving very fast is because the grid does not have that power, um,
[32:10] even with, so we, we do have a natural gas line that will be coming to our apartment.
[32:16] They, they are getting it. There will be an open house next month, um, so we'll update
[32:21] you more on that. Very great company. Um, we are. hoping that there will be
[32:29] some benefits. In the long run to the community to provide some alternative forms
[32:36] of power that way nothing is set in stone yet, um, but even with that, I don't think
[32:44] they can run most of these off of what we have or even what we're going to bring.
[32:50] A lot of them are happy to try and do their own power, which is very, very difficult,
[32:57] but I'd be, I'd be interested to see how that one in Wyoming is giving her power.
[33:03] I actually want to be here tomorrow the next day, so
[33:10] I, I would be very interested because I know across our state. That is one of the
[33:17] biggest things and that's why NEC's new CEO would like to be involved because he
[33:22] knows how much power they take and what it takes, um, and so like I said, whether
[33:28] that gets written into code or how we do that, I, I will take that to the attorney.
[33:33] That would be one of those, and we'll figure that out and how to work that in, but
[33:38] he's very much wanting to be a partner. With the communities to help make sure that
[33:45] We're not taking power from our residents to supply a company that We were trying
[33:53] to cut one more than 2 cents. Some type of it was almost like the spotted out situation.
[33:59] There was some type of something that was there and they ended up not doing it and
[34:03] I, I do think it is a high probability that we will probably see something come our
[34:11] way eventually. No, I, I heard the chicken that's going in down we have. It's gonna
[34:18] end up happening, so I think it's good that we're addressing this and that you get
[34:21] whether it's directly in here or it's in the county. Part of the reason companies
[34:29] are looking this way is because of blank. It they're not necessarily thinking, oh,
[34:35] how am I gonna get water and things like that. It is the fact that there is open
[34:40] land that seems very like. Uh, they typically don't look at the law and power and
[34:47] those type of things until it's like, oh, we don't just have this. Um, I know one
[34:53] of the things that, and I'm not sure how they're gonna do it, so. The water, same
[34:59] thing was for like when the one is asking me. I personally feel like with water,
[35:05] if they're going to be a large water user or there's a high demand, they need to
[35:11] show proof that they have the water they're claiming. It cannot just be a claim.
[35:17] There has to be some type of backup documentation whether it's well testing, um,
[35:23] you know, divisions. Yes.
[35:29] Yes, and I don't know why that's not listed in the development standards. Um, that
[35:35] would be my recommendation with it is that they need to show at least 90% of the
[35:42] water use minimum. Um, and I don't know how you guys feel on that, but I would say
[35:48] at least 90%. And it has to be backed by the same water, so it's gonna take for us
[35:55] to hear. That's what I'm saying. It could. I know we, we as a town have drilled deeper
[36:02] into a deeper aquifer, and there is that worry. So then it's, if they can prove that,
[36:08] you know, more data centers and larger water usage, do they have a way to recharge.
[36:16] Uh, that's the new single door, yeah, well, it's like down here, um, between us and
[36:21] second house, uh, around Seattle where he, he did build them those pumps to pump
[36:27] Bobby back into the aquifer because they have to keep it at a certain level, and
[36:34] so. And that you're gonna have the same thing here because you know. Um And
[36:42] different things and, and, you know. We are already just our population.
[36:51] Watch what we watch over here in the summer. Um We don't have the infrastructure
[36:58] for a large industrial. Place, I mean, our sewage needs to be updated
[37:06] because all you have is a pond out there. I mean, there's a lot of struggling and
[37:10] they want to treat that, yeah, but, but yes, the water definitely needs to be hit
[37:18] to find out exactly even if they have to bring water because I mean even Phoenix
[37:25] down there and it's gonna keep growing in some of those communities down there, they
[37:29] don't have water to. The no places that they're building, the houses that they're
[37:36] building.
[37:39] Yeah, but they're selling houses instead of selling them so they don't have to have
[37:42] that 100 year rule. There are some houses that are, they're in Tucson also, and they're
[37:49] big over in the Prescott area because they could not prove 100 years' worth of water,
[37:53] so they rented the homes. So you have subdivisions that are just people renting them
[37:58] don't sell them because they can't prove the water, you know. So you've got, I mean.
[38:04] This is why, like I said, this is why we wanna have these discussions and so that
[38:09] we're thinking of these different things and we can come together cohesively to say,
[38:14] OK, I want. Weeds are crazy, um, sewage maybe just eating all of that,
[38:22] um, you know, some of these plants they have. Potential toxic waste they have potential
[38:29] things that are harmful. How do you mitigate that? You know, and they need to have
[38:33] a plan for that, um. I'm trying to think of some other things that some of the things
[38:40] that we cannot be concerned about too is um. The tear down so that there's money
[38:46] sitting in a pile. They have bonds, the bonds for decommissioning part of it because
[38:54] If any of our sawmills here, if there was a decommissioning issue that went down,
[39:00] that building wouldn't be there anymore. We would be looking at steel buildings.
[39:03] We would have to take the cement out and make it back to
[39:09] and that's some of the stuff they're fighting over, um, and that's too is how.
[39:17] Because that's the most and then we can put money up not just simple bonds. No,
[39:25] it depending on the type of industry it also increases
[39:33] based on the type, um, and, and kind of again back to the footprint and what type
[39:39] of footprint. They have the bonds will change based on them, um, and that's something
[39:46] again so Navajo County came up with something called a development agreement and
[39:51] so that's kind of what I'm trying to work on and get um because it will cover a lot
[39:58] of these kind of the extras of, OK, we want you to be able to decommission well you
[40:04] need to do. There's something about where it goes into some fun that we come out
[40:11] with and cash brows so that we have to have something that. Because companies can
[40:16] disappear and then the cash is gone.
[40:22] Yeah, the bond does not disappear even if the company is, um, but I would have to
[40:28] see whether, and I'd have to look into it more, whether it's a bond between the company
[40:33] and the town and so the town is the other holder of it. And so even if the company
[40:38] goes away, there's still those funds sitting there that are accessible so that even
[40:43] if the town has to pay the ticket down. There's still those funds to come in and
[40:49] take that down on how I, and I have to look into that a little more, but it's kind
[40:54] of like it's a two-sided bond where it's not just in the Or it goes into this
[41:01] fund that's not controlled by the company but they have to put it up front and then
[41:07] if they stay or you know agreements are made later because they're self-functioning,
[41:12] OK, you get so much back that otherwise you keep that's what that whole county has
[41:17] said with the city because most of these companies come in and build it and then
[41:21] they sell. So it can't be, yes, because they end up selling the business 2 or 3 times
[41:26] and then all this stuff is coming in and they're trying to push in. It's one group
[41:31] of, you know, it's a group. They sell it, they sell it, and then you want it's not
[41:35] their problem anymore, but they're the ones that are living here.
[41:41] Yeah. They've done a lot of work in that whole county. They learn a lot in and learn
[41:47] the hard way and so I know they have some of the answering the things that they went
[41:51] in to. They're common, but we need to come home. Yes,
[41:59] yeah, and that's why I said I just wanted to start the discussion. I didn't want
[42:03] you guys to feel like. We're just saying yep that's what I'm doing well and we're
[42:08] not we're not making this we are making this we do want these things we want all
[42:14] these discussions that make sure that we really fine tune this so that if they come
[42:19] in we have those requirements um when I was in the government we did nations, you
[42:26] know, and basically we had to give them permission to be able to do that process
[42:31] and we have our hands and Be involved in, you know, so that you can just disappear.
[42:37] You know, so that would be something of form factory and. Um I gave them permission
[42:45] to The next company authorizing them to be able to take it over like they just can't
[42:50] take it over. I mean we do remissions all the time. So you had to review the people
[42:57] that were gonna take them as far as their financial capabilities go and then they
[43:01] were just following all the rules and they just didn't like basically handle what
[43:06] we have in an agreement and we were stuck with these new people. I When we're talking
[43:12] about code, like, can you build something like that into code, or is that an overreach?
[43:16] How does that, how does that work? Well, and I think if we get like those developer
[43:22] agreements, they're not necessarily code they're the backup that we have, yeah, it's
[43:28] just a component we could probably stipulate that into the development agreement
[43:35] of. You know, and if you show doing this, we could do this X Y Z. Yeah, it's the
[43:43] government of this code we had it written that that was a process that they had to
[43:46] follow up and, um, you know, because, uh, we didn't want to enter into a contract
[43:52] with somebody. And then down the road you'll be the seller and you're stuck with
[43:56] somebody that really cannot even support the original contract and I, I think there
[44:01] is a way and now I'm telling you I know is done a lot, um, and I frequently am communicating
[44:07] with their development director, um, and economic development director, and so I
[44:12] will see if they put it in the code or if it's just the development agreement. I
[44:17] just see what is it you need to say a little more about the.
[44:21] We just had them at that meeting. So our association brought in. A supervisor and
[44:28] their town manager. Oh, I mean the farms and stuff they came in with what they're
[44:33] changing, how they're trying to protect the community and stuff and they're trying
[44:37] to, they're trying to make that happen so I don't know why I'm sitting in that meeting
[44:41] without, but, and it's hard because when the power and I mean even as our PMT we
[44:46] are kind of like, hey, we have to have. Some of these other forms. And they're not
[44:53] saying one is better than another or anything like that, but they, they're like we
[44:58] need some other things until we can get to whether that's nuclear, whether that's
[45:05] something else that's higher, um. They're, they're in agreement that we need other
[45:10] things and so trying to be open minded, yes.
[45:14] As you can talk and then you know I have with your son help us with people um.
[45:23] I and then I looked at the, the, um, the ordinances and all that stuff and everything,
[45:29] even the top parts of 1852. Mhm. I think it's all.
[45:38] A lot of the, yes, exactly, it's just a so, so what I have done is, is because it
[45:46] was you talked about that.
[45:49] So I googled it at data centers, and my question was, how dangerous are they?
[45:57] Well, as far as,
[46:01] so it says data centers are not physically dangerous to the general public in terms
[46:06] of radiation directly, and they do not emit, I always see this word wrong, ionizing
[46:14] radiation. OK. However, large scale, hyperscale, and fossil fuel power data centers
[46:21] create significant environmental, health, and economic hazards and. Then it goes
[46:27] to do it. So the key risks and dangers are air pollution. That it can put out
[46:34] um and then the amounts of the massive amounts of electricity I know you guys are
[46:42] probably all over it and gone and stood under the electric yeah you're here for one
[46:50] thing and that's not safe to live under either. Um And it's it which is met by
[46:58] green fossil fuels. They're also in the lack of so yes. Generators that
[47:06] emit nitrogen oxide and find critical matters which would lead to asthma, cardiovascular
[47:13] disease, and increased childbirth. And so I mean I'm looking to go. All the infrastructures
[47:21] that are coming in to see if any of them and noise pollution on here because they
[47:28] have the cooling back fans, the HVAC system, generators running continuously 24/7.
[47:35] The generators can cause noise levels of CEA 529 decibels, so somebody has to knock
[47:42] the sound and so we probably should have that.
[47:53] Um, I don't know if we specifically said there were many guesses, but yes, like noise
[47:58] we need to find to kind of what our Happy media ninjas, I guess, on Decibel Sounds
[48:06] and, and that's something that we've been working uh on staff wise of, you know.
[48:13] How loud is a sawmill decibel-wise, um, because that used to be in and how loud is
[48:20] that? How loud is a Um, yeah,
[48:25] none of those are too bad. I mean they don't run 24/7. You know, so what's acceptable
[48:32] for Daytime and what needs to be kept for a potential 24/7.
[48:41] Business, uh, because depending on how close they are to work,
[48:47] you know, that's even where I live.
[48:54] I wonder if we need to resolve. You know, surrounded Um
[49:04] It was now.
[49:08] It stinks really bad. I can see that it's just.
[49:14] Yeah, it's not that small industrial obvious to me. I mean, you probably don't even
[49:18] see that on the left, but there's 10 acres, 10, 5 acres next to my house. That that's
[49:25] how they don't use it that way because they use some industrial and they kind of
[49:29] use it more as commercial and and it's hard it's hard to resent it only because if
[49:36] we do find. A good match, but yes, maybe it causes some noise and
[49:43] some things that people are OK dealing with that. Do we take that away? Um,
[49:51] we, we, we have. And it makes me think we have a alternative fuel company
[49:59] that Interested. In the sauna, and it probably would have caused. Some noise,
[50:07] some problems that may have been, you know, some things like that. But what they
[50:12] were willing to bring to me. I think that we All of that, um, and
[50:20] they lost interest really quick because of all the talk around the alternative and
[50:26] some of that, um, and so yes, I agree, I think we need to be maybe a little more
[50:33] responsive maybe that's where we don't necessarily resemble, but maybe we make those
[50:38] classifications, the different classifications of. This out there where most of our
[50:46] industry that we're hoping to get those is our heavier industry use, louder
[50:54] industry use, whereas those two maybe are more of the commercial flashes that is
[51:00] easier.
[51:02] We find those two being those that not that goes there or you know
[51:10] not the broader centers there those type of things those have to be a different classification
[51:16] of still industrial so maybe like a C2 yeah yeah maybe something that we look
[51:24] at like that because you know we do have all these homes there. And we got things
[51:31] like this, we look at. We can look at different programs similar, similar-ish
[51:39] that has maybe those different breakdowns of industrial um and do a similar thing
[51:45] here of like, hey, this is now going to be. C2, I2, yeah. And, and these are
[51:53] the things that are allowed. Here's your CUP. But they still can be OK in a
[52:01] residential area. It's not going to be detrimental to those people. And then our
[52:07] bigger, heavier users all get pushed out towards our industrial point which is up
[52:13] on the Mesa up there in the former plateau, um, and they will do something that way.
[52:21] And, and we had carpet last night too because the windows. I know.
[52:29] I mean, I learned so many things with this. I mean, I think there's a lot of key
[52:33] things, and I don't want this to just be dads. I, I really do wanna develop a better
[52:41] coding, a better development standard that goes for any industry that's coming in
[52:48] because any industry comes in will have an impact on our community.
[52:56] Um, it says a lot of scarcity, so I mean, um, the, uh,
[53:04] So, you know, they do a lot of work, you know, these are a lot of water serving,
[53:09] and I noticed, um, the limit that. It's against the ones she had put in there. To
[53:16] about, you know, if they recirculated or whatever, but it also says in here.
[53:25] Our supplies and and and how are we gonna handle it during graphics time. Um And
[53:33] so and then you know I mean we have a little right here. And, but, you know.
[53:41] Um You know, contamination of our water, so we need to look at that stuff within
[53:47] the industrial
[53:49] and then of course it says higher household energy. The sudden soaring surge in electricity
[53:55] demands and dance centers constrained the power railing drive of utility and loading
[53:59] costs for local residents. You have to think about that because I mean you don't,
[54:04] you know, it's not, um, electric magnetic fields, high voltage power lines and heavy
[54:11] electrical equipment associated with large campuses. Of large. Generate
[54:18] ordinary electromagnetic appeals to feel them that um to have all them history restrictions.
[54:26] And it also talks about fire. We're definitely in a fire area and so on and so forth.
[54:33] And so, I mean, we need to look at any industrial thing that's coming in. To see
[54:40] how it's gonna impact the security. Yeah, so that's why I think that's today, and
[54:46] I do agree with two separate different kinds of In industrial areas because something
[54:53] quieter or something that just worked for him.
[55:01] Um, but to me this opened up a lot more. You know, things of any industrial
[55:09] that's something even that the first one is very good and the other one doesn't really
[55:14] do much for you at all, right? And so a lot of this, I think, needs to be. Put in
[55:20] there somehow, yet we need to look at it as a a board and people need to be aware
[55:26] of this is what we're gonna be looking at. And this is something I wanna keep. Discussing,
[55:33] keep bringing what I would like to ask is that each commissioner, um, and I was just
[55:41] with commissioner colonel is give it when possible kind of developing your list for
[55:48] each of you. Um, here's my concerns. Here's what I would like to address so that
[55:54] I can go through that with you. We can kind of find you that, find the spots where
[56:00] things are going, but then also, hey, this person thought at this point that we need
[56:05] to have and we need this and that, um, and then we can also add in things that we
[56:11] see or that we're hearing about that. Haven't, um, you know, been speaking with not
[56:17] all things like that and seeing some of what they're going to kind of trying to backtrack
[56:23] and fix, um, and then that way we come with like a list and then next work session
[56:29] we can kind of say, OK, here's exactly what we would like for what this is what we
[56:35] need to see minimum, um, you know, and, and how do they recharge or how do they do
[56:41] these things. Um, sewer, you know, are they gonna help build a, a new treatment plant?
[56:48] Do they help them out so that their waste products are not moved into our ponds that
[56:54] are very sensitive, I guess, to those different sources and different chemicals.
[57:01] Right now those ponds we use the um The fluid to go out to the fields for the farmers.
[57:08] Well, if there's chemicals in them, we can't do that. Um, same thing with RV farms,
[57:13] and that's kind of another reason to bring this up is you have the chemicals that
[57:18] RVs have to use. We don't necessarily want to do that. So, you know, we need to develop
[57:25] a treatment plant, treatment facility, um, that's something that they may have to
[57:30] help with in the long run, um. You know, always concerned what are acceptable decibels,
[57:38] what is acceptable in these areas, but I would, I would like to ask if each of you
[57:43] could kind of go through and just set up a workflow so that we can try and get that
[57:47] ready for the next work session and so we kind of have a punch list of These are
[57:54] exactly what we're gonna go through to get info and if you don't think we fit where
[57:59] we can put them info, OK, we need these in our development agreements that we expect
[58:05] to have with every single industry that comes. And maybe we can make that into code.
[58:12] It's a code requirement that every industry has to sign a development agreement with
[58:20] the. Even just, um, you know, we're talking about the bowlers, you know, you're gonna
[58:27] have somebody that could because I mean they could like try to ram the building and
[58:33] cause a problem so yes and even photos or something that you'd wanna put in there
[58:38] yeah so that you know yeah I mean anything that you guys can kind of think of but
[58:44] I just think that would better help us align our conversations um because I mean
[58:49] I know we could sit here again for a long time and go over multiple things so I would
[58:54] really like to get a really good list of this is everything that's like. Go over
[58:59] those and then be like, hey, did we come up with anything else? Did we see anything
[59:03] else that maybe we're missing? So we need to have mixed um.
[59:12] in there, but I mean when I worked for the irrigation company, we had to have an
[59:16] emergency management. Came in and the damn woke up there
[59:23] who's the person to call and who's this and that so they need to have an emergency
[59:28] management system also because and I know this is chemical pipes or something
[59:36] burst or And it's headed for the river. What's the course of action? Yeah, yeah.
[59:44] Who are you gonna call first and who are you gonna? No, and I think that can be added
[59:49] into code under because that is kind of the fire and more safety requirements, um,
[59:56] and so I think that's things that we can add in but if you guys are OK with that,
[1:00:01] I think that would really help moving forward. To have a really cognizant list of
[1:00:07] this is what all of you asked for. Between Mo and I, we would get it all compile
[1:00:12] them together, kind of give maybe some suggestions, um, but like I said, I mean,
[1:00:17] I'm working on COVID development standards going from like this to it's gonna be,
[1:00:23] it's gonna be, it's going to better align us with what we need in our community instead
[1:00:30] of just. Hey, you can just do Mhm. There are people that need to be. Part of this
[1:00:37] discussion and help. I mean we talked about. Now that that would be great that we
[1:00:45] must be involved in certain things, but others, I mean, Monica is gonna have all
[1:00:50] kinds of information she's gonna
[1:00:54] she, she had to be out tonight, yeah, and so is there other people like that that
[1:00:59] are very knowledgeable that we have. Well, like
[1:01:05] especially on the water. I mean just I really just industrial is huge. It is not
[1:01:12] a residential home and it can infect the whole town I mean in goodness sakes coming
[1:01:18] in so I think there will be times where I, I maybe it's the next one. Do I think
[1:01:25] it's January. We'll kinda, I'll kind of fill it out and see after we get your list,
[1:01:30] um, you know, I asked the town manager to come. I asked our water sewer operator
[1:01:35] to come in to help provide that information. Um, I think, you know, pioneer should
[1:01:40] probably be involved as well as for the ditch companies because there's some potential
[1:01:46] issues there in the world of Colorado. Why can I not
[1:01:53] Uh, it's a commission, he said, well, actually, the one that the judge Latham is
[1:01:59] the actual one that's over. Oh, is he over that now? Well, he's the judge over, yeah,
[1:02:07] that's the plan he just.
[1:02:10] Yes, so they deal specifically with the word Colorado. Is it the word Coloradoization,
[1:02:18] the judification, yes, um, and we also have to just get more
[1:02:26] about the tree because a lot of it is in there, yeah, and you know, so they may,
[1:02:33] we may need to involve. At least maybe Judge Lisa on the appointee for that
[1:02:41] section of it, um, and he sees, um, I'm trying to think to fill on the bus when we're
[1:02:49] not per se and the experts in all of that I think if we come up with these general
[1:02:54] placed this list and then we start breaking it down and giving how much time. Mhm,
[1:03:02] I, I mean we honestly think like, you know, I'm dating that's just And then we're
[1:03:09] in those viable we don't put in and then the next time is electrical and so we bring.
[1:03:16] And see it and ask him to come to a meeting and and have him sit down with us and
[1:03:21] say hey here's some realistic um noise would be more of a PD and we ask PD not only
[1:03:29] who is but also from a standpoint well yeah and we would bring in the fire and medical
[1:03:37] which is crazy or maybe possibly bring in like Wes West papers from around the region.
[1:03:45] Or somebody from that, you know,
[1:03:51] yeah, I think, you know, depending, I think you have, yeah, other communities are
[1:03:56] in the same boat and counties. I really think that holds ahead of anybody in this
[1:04:02] local area because of what, yeah, they've already let certain things in and they've
[1:04:07] got a lot they've got like 8 those are approved and 14 coming in they're trying to
[1:04:12] get those in between they're trying to. What went wrong in this one and we do their
[1:04:17] own in their code so yeah they're they're way ahead of us whether it's something
[1:04:22] you like or not but it's something to start you off with and and I do like I said
[1:04:27] I have communications with their economic development director before they tell me
[1:04:32] and then the last and I'm sure I asked them to and then they kind of go over something
[1:04:37] for us as far as like development. I'm sure he will be happy to come in. Give us
[1:04:45] the best. So good, the bad and the ugly. Um, I gave that, yeah,
[1:04:53] and we could even do that like he, he wouldn't have to come, but we can certainly
[1:04:57] set up things like that.
[1:05:00] No, thanks for coming. He, he really does.
[1:05:06] because they're on payroll so I don't know if he come overnight for this. He might
[1:05:11] and, and, and I worked with Supervisor Whitey. That's been much of the problem with
[1:05:16] running things and getting involved is they have all their meetings during the day.
[1:05:21] This is when those people are working, yes,
[1:05:26] um, but that's why I would kind of like to get like each of your comments that I
[1:05:33] know Christy had a bunch of thoughts and things she wanted to because I think that
[1:05:38] would better help us help me more. Here's good starting points and let's kind of
[1:05:43] put things together that match and work so that when we bring in. People are all
[1:05:49] more watchable than us. Have a little more experience we can concentrate on, OK,
[1:05:54] this is what they're gonna cover and the next time we cover these two things and
[1:06:00] kind of see what they have if you guys are.
[1:06:07] So maybe we should start soon because that's gonna take, yeah, so if you guys could
[1:06:11] work on trying to get me your list like within the next week or two that gives me
[1:06:17] time to get those compiled talk amongst ourselves and with the master and Potentially
[1:06:25] our legal counsel and have that all ready and try and get it out to you several weeks
[1:06:31] before our next meeting so that you guys can look and see and then tell us, hey,
[1:06:36] I don't see this and I would like this on there or we need to have these things um
[1:06:41] just remember if you send emails please just send them to you and I do not send them
[1:06:46] to each other or same thing with any communications we don't wanna have. Any other
[1:06:51] meaning issues, anything like that, uh, you will see us doing this at the next meeting
[1:06:57] in November or I wanna have some more discussions and hopefully we would already
[1:07:02] have that list, um, and if we feel like there's enough, I could see if our operator
[1:07:08] at least for water and sewer will come in and kind of give us an idea of hey here's
[1:07:14] something or at least do a writer for us. Here's what we have. Here's what these
[1:07:22] type of things would need or would cause for our system, um, and have that even if
[1:07:28] you couldn't be here in person. And maybe we start with some of those, um, you know,
[1:07:33] I know Chief Conrod is around and he's happy to come and talk about those types of
[1:07:38] things too, so we could potentially even have both of them where they're on staff
[1:07:44] in the same town. They can maybe come and start and, and help give us a background
[1:07:48] on, hey, what are some fire and safety. Issues, medical issues that you see that
[1:07:55] we need to be covered in this, um, and then another time that maybe we ask um She
[1:08:01] thought I would come in for PD and have him give some background and stuff so I mean
[1:08:07] I could certainly see about setting that up for next week if we get it soon enough.
[1:08:13] I won't be here next week. I have an unexpected surgery, um, so I will be, yeah,
[1:08:19] so I'm not where you from, so I won't be here next week, um, but I can certainly
[1:08:24] get you in this prior to.
[1:08:31] I believe that's what it is.
[1:08:35] Sorry, let me double check. Yes, well, let me verify because it's technically
[1:08:42] elections the first week it should be us. Depending on counsel.
[1:08:51] So let me just verify, plan on the 10th. But I will for sure verify. But again, if
[1:08:56] we could get that in the next like a week or two, that would give us time to get
[1:09:02] that off the board and out to you at least a week or so before the 10th meeting.
[1:09:08] And if we push it back, then that just gives you a whole week.
[1:09:14] Um, but yes, we plan on, we plan on. Usually when I do elections and things like
[1:09:22] white council to the farm, which actually works out good because that's around the
[1:09:26] time our natural gas company may be coming in. I wanted to come to council. So if
[1:09:32] any of you are interested in that, we'll bring it back up again during our meeting.
[1:09:36] Um, I will just need to know if any of you plan to come to that council meeting with
[1:09:41] the natural gas company. Have you been? Explaining what's going on and anything like
[1:09:45] that because we will need to post a possible film if there's enough. So it's not
[1:09:52] that you can't come. Um, they are looking at having, having an open house at the
[1:09:59] high school out of the form of the 18. But on the 17th, they want to come to council
[1:10:05] and kind of For example, what they're looking at and what they would do and I will
[1:10:10] send those back up to you. I can't twist them to as part of what coming in is to
[1:10:15] keep bringing that mind to tell this company. No, I've been holding the points of
[1:10:21] other communications. Um, and something, so we are pushing to try and make sure that
[1:10:27] there's room on the line that we can get it to. Yes, yes, that, that is a big
[1:10:35] push that we. As that are trying to do is to try and get that natural gas to be another
[1:10:43] option whether that gets to home really quickly. I don't know, but at least it's
[1:10:49] there and it would be a special.
[1:10:54] I, I hope I never have to care of anything. But they're not gonna have any alive
[1:10:59] on each other.
[1:11:04] Not that there, but when you're heading down, there's, there's no guarantees in spring.
[1:11:09] You said needing a form which, what, so if, so say that you come to the council even
[1:11:15] for like our Christmas party that we have for him, um, because council's coming,
[1:11:21] you guys come, all of those things because you are a group that makes decisions,
[1:11:28] we have to legally post that there is a potential or possible form. Um, where there's
[1:11:34] 4 or more of you that come to the same event or same meeting, um, and that you guys
[1:11:42] will not discuss. Amongst each other, what's going on at that meeting or anything
[1:11:48] like that. Um, so you're welcome to come and I encourage you to come so that you
[1:11:53] are educated on that, but
[1:11:57] Yeah, you just, you have to tell me before if you're calling me how I'm coming so
[1:12:01] I can we'll sit so somebody can't come back and say, oh, I saw 4 PND commissioners
[1:12:06] there and oh, they were, they were chatting and they were talking about it. We, we
[1:12:10] don't wanna get in trouble. That's another open meeting and this is to attend like
[1:12:15] the 17th. Yes, it would be the council meeting on the 17th. Uh, but they,
[1:12:24] they're called Energy Transfer, um, very nice company. I already talked to them,
[1:12:28] but they are kind of like the subcontractor of the main. Provider that would be
[1:12:36] bringing the line to SRP. And then usually at 6 o'clock. Yes, councilors at 6 o'clock
[1:12:43] too, and then they'll have an open house the next night, uh, at the auditorium because
[1:12:49] it's usually the meeting day. So this is an extra. Um, so the, so council technically
[1:12:55] can meet the 1st and the 3rd. 0, typically council just meets the 1st because we
[1:13:01] don't have enough for the 3rd, um, unless we do that. And their sons we do. And in
[1:13:07] November we do because they try to sometimes not have a December meeting either,
[1:13:13] um, sometimes we'll have them in November. Do they do the double trophy? I think
[1:13:21] that's partly quarantine and then I think it's primarily prepping.
[1:13:30] Well, and, and that's one of the discussion we're trying to have which wasn't. I'm
[1:13:37] sorry. Anybody upside our bills it takes to take care of it because they don't want
[1:13:42] us to lose it. And that's the other thing too is like I said with this community.
[1:13:50] That could be something that that came in it's like, OK, hey.
[1:13:57] X Y Z. Here's how much money they need. How much would you give instead of it being
[1:14:03] a broken or, hey, we need the gas line. To the bill. And, and, and they might, they
[1:14:10] might if it's a company that's willing, um, and that's not off the table. And I don't
[1:14:15] think we should take anything off the table. Anything and everything that you can
[1:14:19] potentially think of that we need to cover in COVID that can potentially be announced.
[1:14:26] Put it up and then you times it by 3 because by the time I actually do it it costs
[1:14:29] 3 times more uh-huh.
[1:14:33] Unless he's like, don't give the question. Have shows news that just all the
[1:14:41] stuff's going on. I, I need to hear more about that. I think that the latest estimates
[1:14:48] that was like 86 million in the summer and a half in the 40s or something like that.
[1:14:52] I just think this much money. Is it 86 now? It's time to get everything they get
[1:14:56] permissions. Everything is. I mean.
[1:15:04] I need to look into that one more. I mean, it, it looks intentional. Don't get me
[1:15:08] wrong, but I, when I looked at it.
[1:15:16] It was actually in pain also.
[1:15:23] The whole thing is it actually apply to more than just that, but no, I would like
[1:15:29] it like I said across the board even maybe it won't apply necessarily to commercials,
[1:15:38] but I do think we need to also once we get this kind of we need to as well and to
[1:15:45] develop better standards for commercial development standards. COVID is old.
[1:15:53] It's great, but it's old and there's so many new things that have happened. That
[1:15:59] we need to continue to evolve and update things so that it fits what our community
[1:16:06] wants but it also.
[1:16:10] So I appreciate your attention because I know.
[1:16:18] And everybody has a new we just need to move to the journey so
[1:16:26] I think we want you to move out. I can just. I make a motion to
[1:16:39] I'm sorry, who was that? Joel
[1:16:43] Joel
[1:16:45] like 10 minutes. I have microphone she's sitting here all day.