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[0:06] Good evening, everybody and welcome to the July 9th, 2024 city council meeting at 530. Can I get a roll call please?
[0:23] Thank you, we please say that for the pleasure of lesions.
[0:30] Ready to begin?
[0:32] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.
[0:39] One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
[0:45] Thank you.
[0:49] All right, are there any additions to lesions or modifications to this agenda?
[0:56] seeing them. We'll move over to reports. Council, do you have any reports for this evening?
[1:06] Call me. Mr. Mayor, I've got a couple of two things to report. A little bit of update.
[1:12] Number one on the Eagle server district. All tasks included in their option to the sewer district approved long range plan.
[1:22] On or ahead of schedule. And part of that, they'll be doing a wet land restoration,
[1:28] which I just found out about yesterday immediately south of the treatment plant, where there's
[1:33] a pond and apparently that presents a potential hazard in a high-run off situation where they
[1:41] almost had a near miss a number of years ago during the high-run off year. What they're going to
[1:47] be doing is restoring that wetland and filling in that pond with excess dirt from the
[1:58] So, not only will they be restoring a wetland, but they'll also be minimizing potential damage from future flooding,
[2:06] which I think is a good thing.
[2:10] From the filtration project that they did on the pilot,
[2:15] they're going forward with purchasing the permanent filter. And they've shown that over the past year
[2:21] from May 23 to May 24, they were able to save $14,000 in charges that would have gone into the
[2:29] So, they're pretty excited about that.
[2:33] The sewer district is completed in June, 40,000 linear feet of sewer
[2:38] clean out.
[2:39] For a fiscal year, 24 in June, that was on schedule.
[2:44] Also, they approved their fiscal year, 25 budget,
[2:47] 15 and a half million dollars.
[2:49] That was approved in the Chairman,
[2:51] Herv, value who's been on the Eagle sewer district board for 19 years, and is the recent
[2:59] chairman it retired because he's moved out of the district and he's no longer eligible to be on
[3:03] the board. So now Jim, Jim Gruber is now the chairman and Tillie Reed was voted on as the new member.
[3:11] Second item I wanted to mention is Councilwoman Mary May and I took a tour of the Orville Jackson
[3:17] house and property. It's a very impressive building, the house. It looks much bigger. It is
[3:26] much bigger in the inside than it looks from the outside and it was quite the house for its
[3:30] day. However, I noticed in my opinion there's a number of safety hazards and health hazards
[3:36] inside the house and given the amount of money that was invested by the city into the property
[3:43] and the condition of the house.
[3:45] I would like the mayor and the council to get a committee form so that we can accelerate the strategic planning.
[3:53] What's going to be the ultimate in use of the property and provide those funds so that we can get those.
[3:59] Get a plan together that has you know objectives and goals in a constant schedule together so we can accelerate and get that property into the condition that we want.
[4:09] eventually want to see it. And as the city wants it. So that's just, you know, my thoughts on that.
[4:18] That's all I have to report. Thank you. Anybody else?
[4:22] All right. I'll quickly go through just a couple of things.
[4:26] With in terms of the Jackson House, it is private property. So we know we've had people that's
[4:31] wanted to go out there and look, but because of the liability issue, if you just refrain from going in
[4:36] there's no trespassing signs out there, but that just a heads up that and it's also, yes,
[4:43] the condition of the inside is not, it's not a safe environment really because it's just a long
[4:48] term effects of being closed up and everything and anyhow but that. And also, as we already know,
[4:55] legal fundases coming up the 12th and 13th, but I...
[5:00] I have had some e-mails given to us, I think, on a few things. I just want to reiterate some of the things, the activities that are actually happening at the ego fund days. They are still having the fun run. They do have vendors at the market. There's concerts, it will still be happening.
[5:14] car shows still be happening the wet and wild parade on plausible still be happening and that's
[5:20] after the dried portion and it's important that we understand there's a dry portion right before
[5:24] the wet because there are people that are going to be there military full uniforms and
[5:31] and other classic uniforms and stuff and quite frankly some of the cars that will be there we don't
[5:36] want them getting ruined with with water so if you can be cognizant of that that would help out a lot
[5:42] But then when the wet parts starts, have at it except for balloons, we don't want people throwing
[5:48] balloons due to the fact that there's small balloons and some of them have been put in cold water
[5:52] and they could ice over believe it or not even with 108 degrees but we're going to have this week.
[5:58] So we're asking people not to throw objects at each other a couple of other kids got hurt last year and
[6:04] you know they're half in fun and we don't want to have any issues with anybody getting hurt
[6:09] And then they're still having the cornhole turt of it as well.
[6:12] So there were some questions about these kind of events happening for Eagle
[6:15] Fundays and they will be happening, but Friday night will be at the high
[6:19] school and they'll be vendors, food, music and whatnot and then at 10th it's from
[6:26] 6 to 10 and at 10 30 they'll be the fireworks show from the softball fields
[6:31] there.
[6:31] So if you live within the area of the high school, you're going to get a great
[6:34] show.
[6:35] So, but feel free to come there and participate and have fun with that going on.
[6:40] And in Saturday, again, there'll be vendors and food and music all out here in this civic
[6:45] center from the library all the way through here. And then we'll transverse over to the Plaza
[6:53] Road area for the parade. And there's some other activities that'll be happening with the American
[6:57] Legion over the Merrill Park after that. And the Grand Marshal this year is a Medal of Honor recipient
[7:05] And he's quite, what's the right word, I mean, he was awesome.
[7:11] I mean, in his time in the military and some Marine.
[7:14] And he's going to be honored as the Grand Marshal for the Parade.
[7:17] So that would be pretty fun to have be able to meet him.
[7:21] And I'll be an honor to do that as my son's in Marine as well.
[7:24] So a little sentimental factor on that one for me.
[7:27] But with that said, please come out the Friday and Saturday for Eagle Fundase and enjoy yourself.
[7:33] But it's going to be hot.
[7:34] We don't have any misters out there.
[7:36] So be prepared, stay hydrated, light clothing and hat,
[7:40] and all the things that normally you would do in the heat.
[7:43] So just like a little health and safety tip for things going on
[7:47] with that.
[7:48] But that's enough for tonight on my part of it.
[7:51] So department heads.
[7:51] Would you like to speak?
[7:55] Anybody?
[7:56] Mitch, welcome.
[7:57] Thank you for coming and participating.
[7:59] As the attorney tonight, we appreciate that.
[8:03] any other departments before, all right?
[8:08] Please, Chief, would you like to come up in your presentation, too?
[8:14] Good evening, Mr. Mayor, council members.
[8:16] Travis Ruby, please chief for the record.
[8:19] So tonight, to continue, I want to introduce you to some of our incredible staff, a little
[8:22] bittersweet, though, because we are saying, hey, this is who she is, and she's awesome, and
[8:27] we're also saying happy trails, because she retires next week.
[8:30] But she has served the community legal, the city legal for 11 years, as our major crimes
[8:34] detective and done some incredible work here, so I have the opportunity to introduce you to
[8:39] to Detective Shree Tucker, but also again wish her some happy trails. Detective Tucker's
[8:46] ready to enjoy her well-earned retirement. She began her career at the 80 County Sheriff's
[8:50] Office as a dispatcher in 1995 where she thrived in that position for nearly eight years.
[8:56] Some of you have seen our new dispatch center, but Detective Tucker worked in the old center
[9:00] and the basement with no windows and not a lot of ventilation in a very small cramped space,
[9:07] but she did incredible work down there. In 2003, she transferred to Petrol, where I had the
[9:12] privilege to go to the police academy with her as one of my two partners. So I got to learn with her
[9:17] and she had tremendous amount of knowledge and communications and de-escalation and all of those things
[9:22] are just fantastic which benefited her in her career. In 2006, she transferred to our criminal
[9:27] Investigations Division is a major crimes detective, so she worked felony cases where a person was a victim.
[9:33] Whatever that may be, like aggravated batteries, aggravated assaults, sexual crimes,
[9:39] loot conducts, things of that nature.
[9:42] She was assigned cases.
[9:44] Preserve?
[9:45] So for me, I transferred to detectives in 2009, and so she already had three years of experience in detectives,
[9:51] and I was also working crimes against persons, but I was very inexperienced,
[9:55] And I was smart enough to call people who knew how to do it, and Shree, thank you.
[10:00] You always answered my call. I can't tell you how many times she gave me advice, gave me direction, gave me ideas on how to resolve something.
[10:07] And I can think of a few times where she came out and helped me with things because I was a little stuck and I needed some support and she was always generous with her time.
[10:19] And I know she was that way with me and so I know and I know she was that way with all of our other partners.
[10:26] In 2011, she transferred to our domestic violence cases where she specialized, following up on any reports of domestic violence.
[10:34] In 2013, she transferred to the Eagle Police Department as our major crimes detective, so for nearly 11 years, she's diligently served the citizens of Eagle.
[10:44] She's worked numerous cases in Eagle, her intelligence, her passion, her tenacity, made Eagle a safer place to live work and play.
[10:50] Detective Tucker is our most detenured person's crimes detective and our second longest serving detective behind Detective Booye.
[10:59] In her retirement, we are losing an incredible amount of investigative ability and knowledge.
[11:06] But I want to thank Detective Tucker for incredible service to the citizens of ADC.
[11:13] Additionally, she's picked up a couple of collateral assignments. She joined her peer support team.
[11:18] And so she helps employees who are maybe dealing with a critical incident or maybe just life things and provides that directions.
[11:26] She participates in critical incident in debriefs.
[11:29] So she can, we can help our employees process through that and continue along in healthy career.
[11:35] And she is our only mounted a troll deputy, I believe.
[11:40] But as she retires, she intends to continue to volunteer her time with our peer support team and our mounted patrol.
[11:46] So, I would ask you to join me in thanking Detective Tucker for her service day to county,
[11:52] but specifically the City of Eagle, and wish her happy trails.
[11:55] She's an avid a question, so I want her to spend that time with her family, but Detective
[12:00] Tucker.
[12:10] And with that Detective Tucker, I would say I'm for any questions.
[12:14] Any comments?
[12:14] I'm sure there's some comments, but come on up and let you say a few words if you like, and then
[12:22] I'm a woman a few words, but I has been my pleasure to serve the city of Eagle for the last 11 years.
[12:28] It's been one of my favorite assignments, so that's why I stayed here throughout the end of my career.
[12:35] Thank you.
[12:36] Great.
[12:36] Thanks for the intro.
[12:39] Any other comments from Council?
[12:42] Detective Tucker, thank you very much for your commitment and your dedication to our community.
[12:46] We really blessed to have you here for 11 years.
[12:48] We wish you all the very best in your retirement.
[12:50] Thank you.
[12:51] Thank you.
[12:53] And Detective Tucker, I second that as well.
[12:56] Just an amazing career you've had ups and downs and just wish you the best for your future.
[13:03] Thank you.
[13:05] I had Detective Tucker, congratulations on a great career.
[13:08] The long career.
[13:10] And that you survived it well.
[13:12] And I just wanted to wish you the best and the days to come in your retirement.
[13:18] I'm sure you'll be very active with it.
[13:21] I appreciate that.
[13:22] Thank you.
[13:24] Detective Tucker is a daughter-in-law of a Los Angeles police officer.
[13:27] I thank you very much for your support and peer-related services as well, too.
[13:32] So thank you for that component that you're offered, the support to your fellow co-workers.
[13:38] I very much value that.
[13:40] So thank you so much.
[13:41] That's so important.
[13:42] Thank you.
[13:43] Thank you.
[13:44] say that obviously got to know you for a few years
[13:46] and your professionalism was shown every time
[13:49] you did something, you know, whether events
[13:52] or really on a call or something,
[13:55] and here's the deal though,
[13:56] you're continuing to provide services
[13:58] and your knowledge and expertise
[14:00] to your fellow peers, like Councilwoman Gillesburg,
[14:03] you're said, and that goes beyond,
[14:05] you could have just retired and walked off
[14:06] into the sunset, but you're staying in connected
[14:09] with something that's valuable to all public safety.
[14:12] And so I appreciate that somebody will step forward
[14:16] to continue with the skills and knowledge you provide.
[14:19] So thank you very much for everything you did.
[14:21] And we will miss you.
[14:22] So thank you.
[14:23] I'll miss you, guys.
[14:24] Thank you.
[14:32] She will be working Saturday.
[14:34] So yeah, it's not retired yet.
[14:38] I just want to echo a couple of comments.
[14:41] I'm Eagle Fundays.
[14:42] It's so important to protect ourselves
[14:44] and make sure we have sunscreen and shade
[14:46] and plenty of water and hydrating.
[14:50] So our partners at Eagle Fire and Native County MS,
[14:53] and what I mean, we're all talking and preparing,
[14:55] but we want to do what we can to protect ourselves.
[14:59] I also wanted to briefly...
[15:00] Talk about a case that went to trial last week, and it started at the Eagle Library last fall. And we ended up getting a conviction on the case, which is fantastic news for the community, for the city of Eagle.
[15:11] But I really appreciate our library director and his staff for being aware of something that seemed out of order and odd and calling us and letting our staff get out there and investigate.
[15:23] and then Detective Hague Mentorner actually picked up the case and she did a fantastic job working
[15:29] in this case.
[15:30] But I know some of our city employees had to testify during that process, which is different.
[15:35] But because of our eagle director and his leadership and our police department and our
[15:40] prosecutors, which young Bennettson, her office, eagles a safer place, because of all
[15:45] their work.
[15:46] I just really appreciate that.
[15:47] I had the opportunity to take Councilwoman Ginnosberger and some of our department directors
[15:53] on a tour of the jail and show them a little bit about that and I just always appreciate
[15:58] being able to share that with people because I'm so proud of the work that our jail staff
[16:02] does and the things that they do, the medical visits, the social work activities they have
[16:07] to do, just keeping people safe, keeping each other safe and so I appreciate it that time
[16:13] to share with all of you.
[16:14] The last thing that I have is in Eagle Fundays, there is a dunk tank on Friday night, and I believe it's a fundraiser, and I would like to win.
[16:24] So if you're so inclined to come dunk me, I would appreciate that.
[16:29] But Chief Lewis from the Fire Department is in there just before, and I think the mayor is just after me.
[16:34] But if you want to pay a few extra bucks while I'm in there and support our local charity, that would be fantastic.
[16:40] And with that I would stand for any questions.
[16:41] Thank you.
[16:47] Thank you.
[16:48] Thank you.
[16:48] Thank you, Chief.
[16:48] For everything.
[16:50] All right.
[16:51] I'm not going to put the turning on the spot right now, but unless you had something you
[16:55] want to bring from the firm.
[17:01] Thanks.
[17:02] We're glad you're here tonight, though.
[17:04] All right.
[17:04] Next, we move on to six.
[17:05] The presentations.
[17:06] Eta County presentations for a few things.
[17:10] Nicole, you want to start that off, please?
[17:12] Good evening, Mayor and Council.
[17:14] Tonight you have a presentation from Eta County.
[17:17] You have it. You'll have for you. I'll land. Let's send who is your community planning manager.
[17:22] Steve Rutherford, the Chief Operating Officer, and Colin Mackawini, who's going to look really familiar to you.
[17:27] Because she does a lot of impact fee studies in this valley, but tonight we're asking similar to star in the presentation.
[17:33] How do you last meeting? For you just to hear what they're presenting to you, this is a request for impact fees for the coroner, ENF, EMS, jail and sheriff.
[17:42] and then give the staff direction to begin the process of taking these this request forward.
[17:49] As you know, impact fees require action by your impact fee advisory committee, your planning
[17:54] and zoning commission and then finally by you.
[17:56] And there's a myriad of documents and amendments that have to go together, including
[18:00] interlocal agreement for fee collections and those type of things.
[18:03] But today we really just want you to focus on yes, you want us to move forward with this process with the county
[18:07] Or if you have concerns that you want them to bring back any questions to you before you direct us to move forward.
[18:14] Cool.
[18:15] Awesome.
[18:15] Thank you all.
[18:16] Hand it off to the end.
[18:17] Thanks, Sam.
[18:20] All right.
[18:21] Thank you, Mayor Council members.
[18:23] Leon Letzon.
[18:24] Community Planning Management at the county.
[18:25] Thank you for the introduction and for pronouncing Colons.
[18:28] Last name correctly because I was concerned I was going to miss that.
[18:31] So we are here to talk about our impact fees.
[18:34] We've been working to update impact fees for Eagle Fire, which I know is a little bit outside of the city of Eagle, but, you know, impact fees are important for addressing growth related needs as infrastructure and equipment and other things are required.
[18:49] I'm going to try to keep this high level. I might have too many words on these slides to accomplish that, but stand for any questions at the end and as Nicole mentioned, if you have specific things that you would like us to follow up on regarding additional information or
[19:01] outstanding questions. I'm happy to answer those. I will make one quick point. We are not
[19:08] seeking sheriff impact fees inside Eagle City limits. We're not doing that for any of the jurisdictions
[19:12] because they either have their own police forces or they have contracts with our existing sheriff.
[19:17] So we're only collecting impact fees for the sheriff in unincorporated counting. So just to heads up as we move
[19:23] through this presentation. So unfortunately, this is a longer timeline than I'd like to admit,
[19:28] But we started exploring impact fees in early 2019.
[19:33] Not many counties have done this across the state of Idaho.
[19:36] We are going to be probably the second or the third county to try to get this done.
[19:40] But we started researching it in early 2019 and a lot of this timelines before my time with the county.
[19:45] So I get to put some blame on somebody else for that.
[19:48] But in late 2020, we actually hired Galena Consulting to develop some capital improvement plans.
[19:54] and impact views for our Sheriff J.L.E.M.S. and Corner.
[19:58] In this ring of 2021.
[20:00] We completed that and had our impact for the advisory committee recommended approval to our board.
[20:06] So, on the summer of 2021, through the summer of 2022, we started engaging with our city partners on the collection of these impact fees,
[20:13] because the reality is a lot of the growth and permitting that a designated county is happening inside of city limits.
[20:19] So, a designated county going alone and trying to collect these on our own isn't really going to do the job in terms of collecting the fees necessary to support the infrastructure needed.
[20:26] And so that was kind of a longer process.
[20:28] Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to talk to this group during that period of time,
[20:32] but we spent a lot of time with Q&A, Boise, Meridian and other cities just talking about how this would proceed.
[20:39] In the spring of 2023, we realized we've been at this for a while,
[20:44] and some of our city partners asked us to go back and kind of dust these off a little bit
[20:47] and see if the information is still fresh.
[20:49] You know, we were coming out of COVID, growth was exploding in the valley.
[20:53] We just wanted to make sure we had all of the right information in terms of
[20:56] how population is going to grow, what construction activity
[20:58] looked like, so forth.
[21:00] So in 2023, we hired Tischler Bice and that's
[21:03] Collins Group to open these up, dust them off, take a look,
[21:07] and believe it or not, our fees dropped a little bit.
[21:09] So we're all kind of excited about that.
[21:10] In terms of what we actually needed to collect per household
[21:12] and different things like that.
[21:15] In 2024 of this year, we ran it back
[21:18] through advisory committee.
[21:19] They again recommended approval of the CIPs
[21:22] and the proposed impact fees.
[21:24] And so now we're engaged in the process
[21:25] is talking to the cities again.
[21:27] And this is definitely all people
[21:28] rolling in the boat in the same direction at the same time.
[21:31] As I mentioned before, it's kind of tough for one city
[21:34] to opt out of impact fees.
[21:36] And for us, it's still justified the infrastructure
[21:39] needs that are required to make this work.
[21:42] So again, we're kind of in this dog and pony show
[21:44] for lack of a better way to describe it.
[21:46] Just talking to each city about why this is important to us,
[21:49] and hopefully why you want to get on board.
[21:52] So to Nicole's point, we are kind of asking
[21:55] to start the process with your staff to dig into the CIPs and other details of this project
[22:01] and see if you guys have more questions and try to answer any of those.
[22:04] We are currently in the adoption process with Data County.
[22:07] How we handled this with fire districts and other groups like that is typically required
[22:12] like lead entity to adopt first and then will adopt.
[22:15] So Data County is taking the lead in adopting our CIPs first to give you something to adopt
[22:20] into your own comprehensive plans.
[22:24] In terms of the purpose, I won't get into this too much, but in general, it's to collect
[22:28] the impact piece and ensure that adequate public facilities are available to serve new
[22:31] growth and development.
[22:33] This whole slide could be summarized with growth paying for growth.
[22:37] It's not to fix existing deficiencies.
[22:41] Those have to be addressed with other things.
[22:43] It's not to hire additional staff or service members.
[22:48] It's to pay for infrastructure.
[22:49] and basically the long term needs facility-wise and equipment-wise to keep serving our community
[22:54] the way that we have.
[22:57] This is a high level of just the fees that would be collected. And again,
[23:00] these are all in the CIPs, and I think an introductory email sent to your staff about what we're
[23:05] proposing. Again, A to County Sheriff fees are not going to be collected in the city of Eagle,
[23:10] but we are looking for jail, Paramedics, and Corner. We have broken those out into residential,
[23:15] and non-residential on a little bit more nuanced after that.
[23:20] In terms of methodology, this is probably what we're calling to do a much better job of explaining how these are calculated,
[23:27] but there are kind of three different methodologies that you can take to figure out what the impact these are for community.
[23:32] There's the cost for covering your buy-in fee calculation.
[23:35] So that's where a new development will pay for a share of the useful life and remaining capacity facilities already built or land already purchased.
[23:41] Some examples of that, water and service systems, so massive investments, infrastructure-wise,
[23:46] and really new growth and development will pay for its benefit of making use of those
[23:52] systems.
[23:52] So that's a cost recovery or buy-in, fee-calculation, incremental expansion fee-calculation.
[23:57] That's documents.
[23:58] It documents the current level of service for each type of public facility in both quantitative
[24:02] and qualitative measures based on existing service standard.
[24:05] An example here is Parkland, Acres, Perthousand Residence.
[24:09] And so, this approach ensures that there are no existing infrastructure to fix these or
[24:13] surplus capacity and infrastructure.
[24:16] New development only pays a support and a share for growth related infrastructure.
[24:21] And the last one is plant-based fee calculation, which again is a facility, it's relies on facility
[24:25] planning in order to figure out what that calculation is.
[24:28] For the most part in calling correct me from wrong, we've used the first two methodologies
[24:32] methodologies to identify what the appropriate impact fee is for each of the services that we provide
[24:39] at a county. In terms of growth projections, again, lots of numbers here, but there's no
[24:44] surprise we've been growing fast and we're going to continue growing, adding 125,000 plus new residents
[24:51] by 23,000, that's again across the county. And then just a considerable amount of non-residential growth
[24:58] in the retail office.
[25:01] So we really are trying to figure out what the cost for each of these categories is in terms of an appropriate amount to collect for the impact fee.
[25:11] And this is just a high level of the things that are included in the CIPs. And again, I won't bore you with this too much, but it's just buildings, equipment, apparatus, things that are eligible for impact fees.
[25:21] It's not for the hiring of new staff members or different things like that. And it's not to address existing deficiencies. So we've worked hard to figure out what the actual cost is that's impact fee eligible.
[25:31] and have asked Colin and his group to figure out what that number is.
[25:35] And again, back to the slide with the individual amount per household really kind of breaks down what we're asking for for each service provider.
[25:43] And I'll just flip through these real quick. Our jail, everyone's aware that we are looking to expand and improve our jail.
[25:51] Capital impact fees or development impact fees could play a huge role in that moving forward.
[25:57] the county obviously is you're aware the bond didn't recently pass and we are exploring other ways
[26:03] to get this job done. Impact these could play a large role in helping us accomplish a needed expansion
[26:07] to our jail. Our corner this is interesting one we've actually built a facility or it's under construction
[26:13] and impact these are using to find out or pay off the debt associated with the corner facility,
[26:19] which is again eligible for impact fees. And then finally our EMS team this is for new stations
[26:27] new ambulances and new equipment, they have, again, a lot of contracts in different parts
[26:34] of the county as well, so we've worked hard to understand each of those contracts and
[26:37] make sure the impact fees are appropriate for that.
[26:41] In terms of our next steps, as I mentioned at the beginning of my presentation, we're starting
[26:46] the adoption process of our CIPs.
[26:49] Once we hopefully have the adoption by all the jurisdictions in A to county, we'll then start
[26:54] process of establishing the ordinances and we'll be asking the cities to establish their own
[26:58] ordinance as well to collect those fees on behalf of a county similar to how we collect
[27:03] those fees on behalf of the fire districts and so forth. We'll work closely to the staff
[27:07] on their legal teams. We'll have model ordinances that they can look at to see if they work
[27:12] for them. Each city is allowed to modify theirs as they see fit if there's something they
[27:16] want special in there. And then we'll also have interlocal agreements which will identify
[27:21] how we collect the fees in terms of who collects it, who sends it to, and what things,
[27:27] how things like exemptions, individual assessments, and appeals are handled.
[27:32] So that's a TV, a TV, basically, but we'll be working closely with your staff and legal
[27:36] team to figure out how all of that works.
[27:39] So that's my presentation.
[27:40] Again, I do have our Chief Operating Officer in Consultant if you want some more technical
[27:44] detail, but I'm happy to stand for any questions.
[27:46] All right, thank you for the presentation.
[27:49] The Azari questions or comments for this.
[27:57] Mr. Mayor?
[27:57] Go ahead.
[27:59] Where do you stand right now with the other cities in the county, as far as they're
[28:03] willingness to join the parade or not?
[28:08] Get in the vote and roll with us.
[28:10] You know, we've had great initial conversations with a lot of the city's, city of
[28:19] Garden City, we've had good conversations with their city attorney and their mayor.
[28:25] And yeah, Meridian, we're doing actually presentations with them pretty soon, and Q and
[28:29] never presenting next week.
[28:31] So everyone's kind of ready to do this.
[28:32] We've had, you know, that timeline I showed at the beginning, they were kind of where we
[28:36] wanted to pursue this.
[28:38] And we pause, basically, to clean everything up, dust everything off.
[28:41] And so they've kind of been waiting on us to get back to them and pick this up again.
[28:45] But it's in general very supportive.
[28:46] So, and just for clarification, these fees would be applied to new new construction, all right.
[28:53] That's right. Yeah. Any new household or any new non-residential space, we can't go back and
[28:59] retroactively collect them. So, thank you. And they're one type fees. There are one time fees. That's correct. Yeah.
[29:07] Okay. Any other comments or questions? Thank you. Okay.
[29:13] All right. All right. I think Leon, thank you. Thank you.
[29:15] Mayor and Council, we're just looking for your direction to begin the process for the city of
[29:19] Eagle.
[29:19] It does not make an action from you just to kind of a doggy on the dashboard approach.
[29:23] If you all are concurrent that you would like us to begin this process with our impact
[29:26] fee advisory committee, our PNZ, and with yourselves.
[29:30] Thank you.
[29:30] What's the pleasure to cancel?
[29:33] Thank you, Mayor and Council.
[29:34] Have a great night.
[29:34] Thank you.
[29:35] Thanks.
[29:36] All right.
[29:37] We're going to move on to number seven, which is consent agenda.
[29:40] All consent agenda items are considered action items, consent agenda items are considered
[29:44] be routine and are active with one motion. There will be no separate discussion on these items
[29:50] unless the mayor, a council member, a member of the city staff, or a citizen request to
[29:56] item to be removed from the consent agenda and the discussed.
[30:00] Members removed from the consent agenda will be placed on the regular agenda in a sequence determined by the city council. Any item on the consent agenda, which contains written conditions or approvals from the city of eagles, city staff, planning and zoning commission or design review board shall be adopted as part of the city council's consent agenda approval, motion and less specifically stated otherwise. We have seven eight through pizza night with any council members first, like to pull any item.
[30:30] Mr. Mayor.
[30:32] I'd like to request that we pull items 7-H-7 hotel modification to the common area landscaping within Rocky-Nay Ranch subdivision.
[30:43] Okay, that each is or anybody else.
[30:47] Council would like to pull in something.
[30:50] All right.
[30:51] If you staff member, would you like to pull anything from the consent agenda?
[31:05] Mr. Mayor, remember the accounts of staffs waiting.
[31:07] There were aware that there's an applicant that would like to pull one of their items off of the consent agenda as well.
[31:13] Okay, I was going to get to the public last.
[31:16] All right.
[31:19] All right.
[31:19] What that said, is there any citizen that would like something pulled from the
[31:22] Consent agenda?
[31:24] Okay.
[31:25] That would be what letter would you like come up and see your name and address for
[31:28] the record and what letter you would like?
[31:30] I mean, is Kathy Wilkins 1015 South Bridgeway place,
[31:33] either Idaho?
[31:34] I'm sorry.
[31:35] I don't know the agenda item, but I just for the conditional use permit.
[31:38] for,
[31:41] yeah, I would just request that that be postpone till next session, possible on the 23rd.
[31:49] Did you have a reason to help with that?
[31:52] Yes, I'm considering submitting a letter of reconsideration.
[31:58] And at the time of approval, a 14 day clock starts, and I'm gathering information on a sound study.
[32:03] There's seen a few more days time.
[32:05] Okay, and that's just so we can get that on the record.
[32:07] Yes, exactly.
[32:10] All right, thank you.
[32:11] We'll work on that in a second here.
[32:14] Is there any other citizens?
[32:15] We'll like something pulled from the consent agenda.
[32:21] All right.
[32:21] Seeing none, do I have a motion to approve consent agenda items?
[32:26] A through P to the exception of H and K.
[32:30] Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve consent agenda item seven A through P,
[32:34] excluding H and K.
[32:36] Thank you.
[32:36] Have a motion to have a second.
[32:39] Any more discussions?
[32:39] roll call please.
[32:45] Thank you.
[32:46] We'll move on to letter H.
[32:50] Would like that one.
[32:53] Mr. Mayor, Council, had a question.
[32:57] As I was review, I actually a little bit of a concern.
[33:00] As I was reviewing the package and then conversation with the staff earlier this week.
[33:06] As I understand, a part of this modification application
[33:08] had is including the wellhouse. And I see that both the wellhouse and the community center are identified
[33:17] as having a roofing of black asphalt shingles. And I was kind of curious about that because,
[33:24] you know, as a fine equality as a development, this is going to be as I hope it's going to be.
[33:32] I was hoping that the well-house would have a little bit higher quality
[33:38] Roofing material than what's being proposed as black asphalt shingles.
[33:44] I was wondering if staff might be able to clarify that that's the case
[33:49] that the well-house is part of the modification
[33:52] and that the senior or the community center is not
[33:56] and if there's somebody from the development here
[34:00] If they would be willing to address that and consider having a higher quality
[34:04] of a single going on those two buildings.
[34:08] Good evening, Mayor and Council. Emily Falco, planning staff for the record.
[34:13] The applicant is here and can answer any questions.
[34:17] The well-house building is a part of this application and currently calls out the Class A
[34:22] Architectural Schingel style.
[34:26] So I don't know if you want to have a dialogue with the applicant on different options
[34:30] or I would, I would, if that's permissible,
[34:40] which is that we're fine with that, correct?
[34:45] Yes, okay, thank you,
[34:49] keep you involved here.
[34:54] And also just for the record, our attorney
[34:57] Victor is also on the line.
[35:00] He's going to speak. He's welcome to interject at any time. He feels relevant. You guys, of course,
[35:06] spot as you need to hear it? I actually have him on text as well and we have him on the phone.
[35:13] It's muted and he felt ill and sent me here and he's also listening in.
[35:20] Okay, I think I just want to let the public know too that we have some correspondence and may need to be done
[35:25] and that's the reason behind it, so thank you.
[35:28] Okay, thank you for the afternoon,
[35:29] come up and present to the council.
[35:32] Mr. Mayor, council members, Rodney Evans,
[35:35] Rodney Evans and partners,
[35:36] 1450 West Bank Street, Boise, Idaho, A-3702.
[35:41] I am actually the planner and landscape architect
[35:44] for rocking a ranch.
[35:46] Our architect could not make this meeting.
[35:48] I would like to just kind of take you guys through,
[35:52] What was approved in design review for our community-barning clubhouse this time last year?
[36:00] And then show you what we brought in for our design review modification last month.
[36:11] In terms of some site changes we had an addition of a city owned municipal well-lot and well-house.
[36:22] Just to give you
[36:28] an idea of what we brought into designer view.
[36:49] So this is our community barn and clubhouse located right off the road at the southwest part
[36:54] of our development.
[36:57] This is actually a timber frame barn that's designed and fabricated and then shipped to Idaho
[37:05] from the Barnyard. It's a custom wood manufacturer in Connecticut that my client has relationships with.
[37:15] And we brought this through, like I said a year ago, and when we brought the
[37:23] wellhouse in last month, we tried to mimic in the best way we could the architecture of this community
[37:31] clubhouse and barn. Granted, you have to imagine a hundred by a hundred wellhouse lot that
[37:37] I, as a landscape architect, have screened as much as possible. West of us is our quest
[37:45] room facility and a horse pasture field. North is this by about 150 feet is this community
[37:52] Center. East is a large pond and then south is a huge six to seven acre open space.
[38:02] So when we brought the wellhouse in, we needed to do it with him budget because we're
[38:12] paying for it, the city's not. We have just now finalized our drilling of that well, but
[38:19] are kind of negotiations with the city of a water department
[38:24] are not even finished at this point.
[38:26] But we had to bring this wellhouse in to get it approved
[38:28] by the designer view board and staff.
[38:32] So if our conditions that came from the,
[38:41] from Emily designer view staff
[38:44] related to the materials and colors
[38:47] that our architect did not show on these current elevations, you see, and then just about
[38:57] an hour ago, I got a new drawing from the architect, and we have materials now on the
[39:07] siding the fascia, the trim, which is hearty board, and the black classic asphalt shingles are called out.
[39:18] We have been approved through designer view for our community clubhouse and barren previously
[39:23] to use black asphalt shingles. The height of that building is over 25 feet. No one is going to see those shingles,
[39:32] but they are classy architectural. So, my client and the architect thought let's just keep
[39:40] look consistent, quality, and that's why we went the black asphalt shingles. I cannot
[39:47] speak to asphalt versus composite, but I'm sure composite is a lot more, and we would prefer
[39:54] not to go that route. If the city could help us with that, we'd probably rethink it.
[40:00] But we have this wellhouse and this pump station and the drilling and the site and the fencing around it on our dime. So to put it plain and simple, we can't do everything at the highest level possible. We didn't do our community clubhouse that way.
[40:21] So, that's, that's, that's, is much information as can give you the history of our
[40:27] approvals with designer view and I'll stand for any questions I can answer.
[40:35] It tells me to call me go ahead again, did you, I thought I heard an
[40:39] probably might have been wrong, did you say plastic, black, asphalt, single,
[40:43] class A, class A, yes sir. Okay, got it. Yeah, I, I, I, I am really excited about this overall
[40:52] development. I'd like to see more of these in the city vehicle, this, this type of development
[40:57] with the open space and the, the quality that it, the potentially has. And I like the architecture
[41:05] of the, the, the, your barn and the community center. And I'm, I'm sure the architecture
[41:10] of the well-house is fine, I just find that black asphalt shingles is not going to meet the
[41:18] quality that I would hope that this development would have and there are a number of options
[41:25] that can really enhance the appearance of this without being that much more expensive.
[41:31] I would just hope that you would consider that down the road.
[41:34] I guess we could, but at this point we'd like to stay with what designer views approved in
[41:39] past and currently last month, so I don't fully know the cost of what this is, is costing
[41:52] my client, but it is a large amount of money to give this municipal wellhouse to the city.
[41:59] And we had not planned on that, and the two years prior until it came up with a city of
[42:07] water over a year ago. And this is we're going on two and a half years working on this project
[42:14] and planning it. So. All right. Well, thank you for your information. Appreciate it, Margaret.
[42:20] All right. Any other questions or any other questions or concerns or comments?
[42:25] All right. Well, thank you, Rodney, for coming up and explaining that to us. Emily was there
[42:29] anything else you wanted to add for Councilmember Kwame prior to, okay. Thank you. I just want to give
[42:36] the opportunity there. All right. Well, you would pull this as any other questions with on the Council to Councilman Kwamey on it before it makes a motion.
[42:52] Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion regarding agenda items seven HDR two out.
[43:00] two three dash twenty two mod one modification common area landscaping within rocking a the ranch subdivision
[43:09] to accept as is as presented.
[43:15] Okay, have a motion to have a second. Second.
[43:18] Hey, roll call, please.
[43:22] Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi.
[43:26] Okay, thank you. Now we're going to go down to letter K in where to go
[43:43] build a good question for you then.
[43:45] wait all the way to these, or Haley, when it, okay. Mr. Mayor, members of the council,
[43:54] Haley's going to see if the applicant is in the lobby, okay.
[44:10] Right, I'm not sure where
[44:11] she went, but I, I think we heard what she would like to have this pulled, or, or, or,
[44:18] do you, do you, do you get, you got the information from her prior then? Yes, Mr. Mayor,
[44:23] members of the Council, the applicant is requesting that this item be removed from the consent
[44:27] agenda this evening and re placed on the next council agenda on July 23rd, consent.
[44:35] Okay, somebody want to make a motion for that.
[44:39] Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion to table item consent agenda 7K, the facts and findings
[44:46] and conclusions of law for the denial of the CUP-2024-02 to our next meeting on July 23rd.
[44:53] Thank you for the motion to have a second.
[44:54] Second.
[44:56] Roll call, please.
[44:58] Aye.
[44:59] Aye.
[45:00] Aye. Aye. Okay. Great. Thank you. Thank you, Haley. All right. We're going to go on to eight, which is unfinished business. This is an action item. EGLE Sports Complex, Park and EGLE rodeo review. Nick Paul.
[45:23] Good evening, Mayor. In council. No corb and answer for the record. Let me find this.
[45:36] You received this memo by email and I'm a copy of, and then PowerPoint has been prepared since.
[45:43] Tonight we're just to talk about the eelsports complex and the eel radio.
[45:46] Talk a little bit about how the regal rodeo went this past season.
[45:51] And then where we're going with the sports park as they are on the same site.
[45:55] So tonight, just over your 24 rodeos, that is in time line of eelsports complex and then discussion of coordination and how we move forward.
[46:02] So, as you know, in 2020 to the city acquired 80 acres, there's an additional 10 acres on the other side of the canal, but within the can at Farmers Union canal, there's 80 acres.
[46:14] 10 acres was purchased by the city as a straight purchase deal with the landowner, and then the remaining property of the remaining 70 acres was purchased through a impact fee agreement reimbursement agreement with GWC, the developer of the Valnova.
[46:30] at that point in time, the city underwent a conceptual master plan study in which this is
[46:36] the selected alternative that we are working towards development. It's generally in three
[46:41] phases, four fields in this location, four fields in this location, and then flat fields in this
[46:46] location. I'm going to kind of keep going. So jumping from the site to the Ego rodeo, so the
[46:53] Ego rodeo is a five year facility lease at 866-60 West Civic Lane. It was agreed upon by the
[47:00] in 2023. It's 10 acres on equestlain. It's a graduated lease payment started at $500 the
[47:07] first year and will terminate near $5 at $2,500. It's a land lease only, which means it's
[47:13] only intended to be the land that the review works on not the structures. There's a house that
[47:20] I'm barren on the structure now. And it's a non-exclusively, which means the city can use the property
[47:26] or at least the property for any other purposes we wish to use it for in the non-rodue of period of the year.
[47:34] So the first year was 2023 and we received some significant concerns and complaints
[47:38] about traffic congestion from the site all the way down to US-2026.
[47:43] Pedestrian J walking across 16, Pedestrians walking along the shoulder of 15, 16,
[47:49] the rewiring and the house without permits and some physical alterations to the barn.
[47:54] The mayor at that point received a request in February of this past year to be in discussions
[48:00] about the rodeo for 2024.
[48:02] At that point in time, the mayor did a site visit with staff and council is on May and it
[48:09] was directed for staff to facilitate a process with a little bit higher management level than
[48:14] what has happened in the previous year.
[48:16] So in addition to that 10 acres site, they use a single-year parking license agreement, which allows for the utilization of other portions of the park for parking during their event.
[48:31] It is only good for the duration of the event, and it utilized to address issues that were heard from 20 in 2023.
[48:40] So, we had bonding in an increased insurance on the site.
[48:44] There was no paid parking required approvals and services from services agencies two weeks prior to the event.
[48:50] That included HD, Starfire, and Eagle Police.
[48:53] Very required fencing of the non-use site.
[48:57] The required highway signs and managed parking, which means they had parking attendants that were directing people into the site to efficiently use the parking that was provided.
[49:06] They had a maximum daily attendance set at 4,500 attendees, a pre-event, a daily pre-event meeting
[49:14] with the rodeo and the service providers.
[49:17] City staff was on site during the 4-day event from 6 o'clock PM to the close of the
[49:21] event each night.
[49:23] Then we had a two-week post-event meeting with the rodeo and service providers to walk
[49:27] through the site and kind of go over the overall event, and then they were allowed to utilize
[49:32] electric from the house and utilization of the barn for storage for the event.
[49:40] So just to kind of give everybody a perspective of where we're at, this is the 10 acres.
[49:44] This is 8660 West Equest, and that is the land lease.
[49:48] Additionally, they were at least another 18, just under over 18 acres for the site.
[49:55] So the rodeo usage of the site is this 28.76 acres total.
[50:00] Which is what's shown in colored hatching here. Other uses on the site today are we have a 10 acre lease of the
[50:06] copin property, which is this house here and the associated land. And we also have a 10 acre lease of the
[50:15] tournament house, which is this house here, which is in the plan, the only structure plan to be retained long
[50:21] term on the site. And that is a 10 acre land lease as well. So then additionally we have a five acre
[50:28] city shop site that's utilized on this. So other uses on the site make up about 25 acres,
[50:33] some of it overlapping. Combining the uses, we have approximately 40 acres that are utilized
[50:39] on site, which is approximately 50% of the sports park site is currently at some time of the year
[50:45] utilized or least.
[50:49] So just to give you a kind of an event highlight of how what happened,
[50:52] I mean, if you're attendance Wednesday night, of course, was your was your least attended night. It was
[50:56] week, but it was 1853 people, which I understand to be at the increase in the Wednesday night,
[51:03] attendance. Thursday was just under 4,000. Friday was just at 4,000. And Saturday,
[51:09] they nearly sold out. They did not completely sell out, but they got 28 tickets short of selling
[51:13] out from the numbers I was provided. They never reached capacity of the parking. I know that was a
[51:18] significant concern for both the rodeo and the council. But this is Friday night. They had
[51:23] significant land left, they had about two lands,
[51:25] two rows left on Saturday night.
[51:28] So really the parking was efficiently managed and used
[51:31] for what was provided through the lease.
[51:34] Opposed event walkthrough and takeaways
[51:36] at the two-week meeting was that this was the best
[51:38] attendant and managed event to date,
[51:40] and better management of the traffic
[51:42] that we're needed to be better management
[51:43] in the future of the traffic control contract.
[51:45] There was a hiccup on Wednesday night
[51:47] in which traffic control did not get completely installed,
[51:52] ITD and the city and police, and fire all sat down with the rodeo and we agreed to a modified plan for that night.
[51:59] But that pushed a burden onto Thursday to make sure that it was up in place then.
[52:04] So that is really just a better management of that contract and making sure that contractors doing what they need to do on the deadlines established.
[52:11] And then finally, service providers were very happy with the prevent event in on conversations with police and fire.
[52:18] everyone felt that it was really was a very smooth event on site.
[52:23] So outstanding issues at this point in time after the two week walkthrough is the
[52:27] electrical for the house has not been permitted or restored back to the house, and the
[52:31] rodeo continues to be conceived to occupy the barn. When these came forward as conversations
[52:37] electrical we were told today would work with their electrician, and that they wanted to talk
[52:41] to the city attorney about the rodeo utilizing the barn. They felt it was part of their
[52:48] I stepped back and engaged Victor in that and that's what we're sitting today.
[52:55] Any questions about the event?
[52:57] The comments questions for the involved this point.
[53:03] So the cost for the city cost for the event.
[53:06] The city ended up spending $5,670 more than we received in contract cost recovery.
[53:12] So the city received $1,000 for the land lease and $1500 for staffing at the event,
[53:17] which is the total of $2,500.
[53:21] The actual cost for our city attorney was $5,845
[53:25] to write the land leases in the contracts
[53:27] for the event staffing, which is just our hourly staff
[53:32] that man to the event was $2,325 for a total of $8,107.
[53:39] Please note these numbers do not include electrical
[53:41] for the house, because I have not received the item,
[53:44] power billing for it yet.
[53:46] And it does not include your June attorney billings nor exempt staff costs.
[53:52] So myself and Eric Ziggum, who's our public work structure, our hours are not in here.
[53:58] These are quantitative touch costs that we felt were probably most irrational.
[54:05] The important thing for the city is that this did cost the city just almost $6,000 of unbudgeted
[54:11] or allocated funds.
[54:12] These funds didn't work sitting in the budget and will be offset in other expenditures within within the city budget.
[54:19] Any questions?
[54:21] Of course, it's still on it. Thank you.
[54:26] So I'm going to jump down to the Eagle Sports Complex Phase 1.
[54:29] So what you're looking at right now is the Accentive Phase 1 construction.
[54:35] It is the roadway from its polar lane, the relocation, the roadway from EQuast to polar lane and stay highway 16.
[54:42] the construction of the road, a parking area, the grading and construction of four fields.
[54:50] One of the modifications and exclusions here are, we are not building the temporary road west of the bridge so this area through here is not being built.
[55:00] The road can work as a two-way road as an interim, and so it was determined that we would not construct the full loop with this phase.
[55:08] It was a cost savings to the city.
[55:11] There are no bathrooms, so at this point in this bathroom facility is not part of the plan construction.
[55:16] We would use inner, we would use port of bodies at this point in time.
[55:20] And then there was no permanent irrigation in the phasing plan at this current time.
[55:24] We have a sleeve that comes underneath the roadway at this general location from this irrigation pond,
[55:29] but it would be lined man-launt hand lines to irrigate the fields for the first bit of time.
[55:37] We do have a pump that's already existing in this pond.
[55:40] It needs to be down, we need to down power it.
[55:43] It's too much pressure to work.
[55:45] But we can do that without having to put in a huge expense in.
[55:49] And then finally, there are no field amenities.
[55:51] So, backstop bleachers and fencing are not included in that, and those are additions that
[55:57] we are working with third-party partnerships to develop.
[56:06] So, in 2020 for the contracted work on the site was the pulmonary phase 1 grading,
[56:10] it's the four fields which has been completed. The roadway state highway 16 to bridge is
[56:16] almost completed and that's our preliminary cut of that roadway and grading.
[56:20] We are in the process of installing the road mix for the all weather surface, which is currently underway if you're out there.
[56:25] You can see I'm moving and shaking on that.
[56:28] The underground utilities have been installed, so we have an overground power line that we needed to install
[56:34] conduit for future undergrounding as we go into phase two of the park.
[56:39] That infrastructure is in the ground.
[56:41] We will just need to run the line when we're ready to do that.
[56:44] It also includes city, fiber, intermittent gas and some other communication providers in that
[56:52] trench.
[56:53] So that's all been installed.
[56:54] And then we just last week, yay, I'm so happy, submitted our ITD access permit to get
[57:00] their approval.
[57:00] We have a 30-day wait now for comments back from them.
[57:04] The importance of that is we were given one year from the time we submitted our initial
[57:07] TIS and it was approved to submit the permit and we met it.
[57:11] That was exciting.
[57:12] because with everything going on, there was some movement on that.
[57:15] 2025 contracted work begins in spring of 2025, and that will be Highway 16 in
[57:21] Polar Lane Access Construction.
[57:23] This will include Excel and decilings on state Highway 16 running
[57:27] most of the length of the property.
[57:29] It will include CUBE, gutter and paving of the roadway,
[57:33] and some utility sleeves adding to go under the roadway
[57:35] for irrigation lines to run two different portions of the park.
[57:40] These two construction phases, the 24 and 25, are being done through a cost share construction
[57:45] agreement with GWC and which the city is able to leverage our public dollars with private
[57:51] dollars to construct it a much lower rate, which has been a huge benefit to the city to
[57:58] get the part kind of moving forward, especially these first phases where you have high infrastructure
[58:02] costs, the ability to kind of get some of that underground and moving.
[58:07] So we are in negotiation and we had some discussions about ARPA extra funding and that's all to be determined
[58:13] But those outstanding items are whether the city wants to run side and or permanent irrigation for the four fields and there's a retaining wall that needs to happen because the fields actually sit a little bit above the the final grade of the road and whether we want to install that now.
[58:28] So that's kind of the construction of the park.
[58:31] kind of for the public to kind of see where we're at. I'm not
[58:33] I know we receive a lot of questions about that, but any any questions about that?
[58:39] You have a comments or questions?
[58:42] You've seen all this. So I know you've seen the different agreements.
[58:45] First time we put it in one place for you, I think. So site conflicts.
[58:48] This is where we're kind of what our concern is.
[58:50] What directions the council want to go?
[58:53] As I talked to you before, there's a lot of use on the site right now.
[58:57] About half of the site is consumed by other uses.
[59:02] some more permanent, some more temporary.
[59:05] The city shop is estimated that during construction, we anticipate how are we 16 to be under construction for the entire length of the site, which means we are going to have barricades and then the highway will be narrow down during construction of the Excel desalades.
[59:22] And the access point is moved from Equestline to Pollard.
[59:26] At during construction, the E-quest lane will stay open but once the caller is done, E-quest lane is required to be closed.
[59:35] It's not allowed to stay open for the rest of the, once we established the new permit.
[59:40] Additionally, per ITD's limitations, the canal road that serves access to some properties back here in the rear is to go residential only.
[59:51] It is not to be used for part usage at that point in time.
[59:55] And so, as we talk about this, the city shop is on the site, we have to be...
[1:00:00] I think that there's 15 to 20 trips per day that are generated from this city shop. But when we get to the rodeo, it's
[1:00:05] 3,000 to 8,000 trips per day, quite honestly, in a four hour period that is being generated on this site.
[1:00:14] And a trip is there. So each person going and coming is two trips there and back. So you can see that's that 1500 to 4,000 that's being an attendance at that event.
[1:00:25] We are not clear how to accommodate that with construction.
[1:00:33] The previous complaints about the highway construction, the rodeo at the same time was a big issue in 2023.
[1:00:40] We do require the closure of E-Quest, and it does.
[1:00:44] The city does not control contract timeline.
[1:00:48] We work with a third party who is building this on their dime, quite honestly.
[1:00:53] We are paying for permitting and engineering.
[1:00:58] What the developers paying for construction.
[1:01:02] We have agreed to spring of 25.
[1:01:05] I don't have a timeline for that.
[1:01:07] And I probably won't tell spring of 25
[1:01:09] when they're ready to start bringing pavement onto the site.
[1:01:14] And so that makes this a little concern about timing of events.
[1:01:17] What happens how intense an event is going on at the same time
[1:01:21] is what is happening on the rest of the site.
[1:01:25] And then I said before this is a visualization rate
[1:01:26] of the site is just about 50%.
[1:01:30] So next steps, I kind of given you a summary
[1:01:33] of where we're at, the site is one site.
[1:01:36] It's like we're talking about the road,
[1:01:37] we're talking about the park, but they're all one in the same.
[1:01:40] Quite honestly, it's the same 78 acres of land
[1:01:42] that's being discussed.
[1:01:44] So staff is reconciled requesting council direction
[1:01:46] as to the accommodation of the roadio.
[1:01:50] And at the Eagle Sports Complex in 2025, we know that that's their months, that's their day, that's when they do it.
[1:01:59] You'll rodeo contact, correct, contract requires a 210 day notice for cancellation.
[1:02:06] There isn't ability for us to say we can't do it on the site anymore with what's going on.
[1:02:11] Do you want to keep doing it? Knowing what happened in 2023, but having a great year this year, but knowing in 25,
[1:02:16] we're going into kind of a more robust construction plan. Do you want to keep it there? Do you want
[1:02:21] to utilize your 210-day notice? The last day for cancelization is October 21st, 2024.
[1:02:30] So that's what we're just wanting to give you that kind of see everything in perspective, what's
[1:02:33] going on with us. But I'm open for any questions you may have.
[1:02:39] Okay, open the back up to Council for either discussions or comments or questions for Nicole.
[1:02:49] Mr. Mayor
[1:02:51] Okay, Nicole, can you go back to that one slide that shows the two circular baseball fields one that's being built now in ones that's
[1:03:00] Do for phase two
[1:03:01] This one no the one that showed the overall. That is the overall
[1:03:07] That showed the highway on it too. I guess stop me when you see it. Okay, that one out
[1:03:17] Can you kind of point out where the parking lot for this year's rodeo went to in terms of the ballpark that has not been work?
[1:03:28] So the current access point for the rodeo was Equestal Aid and that was your primary public access.
[1:03:33] You then brought animals and support in through this canal road on this side.
[1:03:40] The parking was this area here between EQuest Lane and this new road that's coming in.
[1:03:47] And then the parking comes over and around this is that house.
[1:03:51] If I kind of go to this map, I think it helps you a little bit more.
[1:03:55] This is that house.
[1:03:56] This is your first four fields. Here's your second four fields.
[1:04:00] So this is the tournament house here.
[1:04:05] This is the coping property here.
[1:04:07] So, EQuest they come in from EQuest and access the site and they use this canal road here to access the site.
[1:04:15] One of the concerns is during construction ensuring that there's access from state highway 16 into the site for the number of attendees that would be on site at that time.
[1:04:26] Because we don't have a solid timeline for roadway paving and construction.
[1:04:31] And it does require, I will let you know, the roadway extension here stops about here.
[1:04:39] We were not able to build the approach or encroachment into ITD's right of way and tell
[1:04:43] the time in which we have a permit for them.
[1:04:46] So you have a graded road and gravel that starts or will have gravel that starts here and
[1:04:52] moves this way.
[1:04:53] We'll still need to construct this entire intersection in the future, as well as the highway
[1:04:58] improvements north and south.
[1:04:59] .
[1:05:02] So, even though you don't have a strong affirm timeline, I would expect that the highway 16 construction activities would be come along during the time the rodeo wants to be active.
[1:05:14] Our conversation with with GWC and Balnova team was there hoping to be on site May June next year.
[1:05:24] And that has to do with the sequencing of when they're doing paving and improvements on their project sites that they will add this on it as an an add on to their contract for that work.
[1:05:38] Now that could change. That's what I've been given. That was in a meeting just last week.
[1:05:42] Thank you. The other comments or questions?
[1:05:44] So Nicole, as you stated, we don't control the timeline, and so I know we have had this conversation with the rodeo people, so I know they are looking for an alternate site to host with the timeline.
[1:05:58] I think it's only fair if we are going to, and this has been identified as a priority for the city to move forward on this park.
[1:06:08] It's incumbent upon us to give them as much notice as possible so that they can actively engage
[1:06:13] with finding a new location.
[1:06:15] I don't think we want to push this too far so that they're caught short.
[1:06:19] It sounds like we're going to be kind of budding up against the timeline for construction.
[1:06:24] And there's a lot of preparation that goes into the rodeo as we know having just gone through it.
[1:06:28] So I think the council probably doesn't need to make some sort of determination as to what we want to do going forward.
[1:06:35] Mayor and Councilwoman May. Yeah, the problem is is we don't we won't know the spring timeline by October 21st
[1:06:42] Which is your deadline in the contract
[1:06:43] With the rodeo to make a determination if you're going to continue the contract for another fiscal year
[1:06:50] That's that's the biggest it's just it's a lot of questions and at this point in time the city is not paying for the roadway construction
[1:07:00] That is actually being done. I want to be clear to the public like why this is so important
[1:07:05] It's hundreds of thousands of dollars that a developer has partnered with us on this park and this roadway that the city can't afford to not take this partnership and hand and allow them to have control over it the way they are.
[1:07:20] and Mr. Mayor, and we're operating on their timeline.
[1:07:23] So that's the
[1:07:27] other.
[1:07:27] The other thoughts, concerns, comments?
[1:07:30] Mr. Mayor, Mary, I totally agree with everything you've stated.
[1:07:34] And I do believe that the more time we give,
[1:07:37] Vigo Rodio, to begin, I know they are already looking
[1:07:40] for an alternate location.
[1:07:42] So I would be open to issuing a notice of cancellation.
[1:07:50] The other thoughts or comments?
[1:07:52] Mr. Mayor, my preference would be
[1:07:56] communicate with them, the Egorodio, that is that, you know, there's too many strong headwinds
[1:08:04] that are laying up there, and we probably are not going to renew the contract, but you never
[1:08:10] know what might happen between now and then, but let them know that it's not looking favorable,
[1:08:17] but maybe leave it open until we get closer to that deadline, that we probably will, but their
[1:08:24] conditions may change, you never know.
[1:08:29] Mr. Mayor, I disagree with that strategy because that, you know, is another three months
[1:08:35] of time that the rodeo could be continuing their search for an alternate location.
[1:08:43] And I believe that's already begun, so I just feels.
[1:08:48] We have had some conversations with them about that.
[1:08:51] Yes, we have.
[1:08:52] So, yeah, let's continue the discussion.
[1:08:56] I mean, and then you guys can move forward.
[1:08:57] So what you'd like to correct yourself to do?
[1:09:00] I would go ahead and make a motion then to have staff
[1:09:05] issue a notice of cancellation to the Eagle Radio.
[1:09:10] OK, that's we have a motion.
[1:09:12] Do we have a second?
[1:09:14] All right, any more discussion?
[1:09:16] OK, like a roll call in this, please.
[1:09:18] Hi.
[1:09:20] Hi.
[1:09:21] Hi.
[1:09:23] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:09:25] Thank you, Nicole.
[1:09:26] Free work.
[1:09:29] All right.
[1:09:29] Now we're going to move on to public hearings.
[1:09:31] In the past six o'clock, we're okay.
[1:09:34] Public hearings are items considered at action items.
[1:09:37] Public hearings will not start before 6pm, which we're fine.
[1:09:41] Public hearings and legal notices hearings required by state law.
[1:09:44] The public may provide formal testimony regarding the application or issue before the city council.
[1:09:51] this testimony will become part of the hearing record for that application or matter.
[1:09:56] Public hearing testimony time limits individuals testifying or
[1:10:00] For a lot of three minutes, minutes for non-repetitive testimony. Disclosure of any exparteer, conflict
[1:10:07] of interest from council.
[1:10:11] Seeing none, we're going to start off. We're going to move to 9A. It's
[1:10:15] a public hearing to consider the new capitalization fee for the city of Eagle Water Department
[1:10:22] and Kelly, you're going to start that off, I guess. Yes, that's all right. And I'll open up the hearing
[1:10:27] right now with you started.
[1:10:34] As you know, we've been working on this cap fee for quite some time
[1:10:39] and sitting behind me is Ken Aka, our water superintendent and Mike Davis, our engineer from
[1:10:44] Haco Engineering, so they are certainly more knowledgeable about things that are not just words on paper than I am.
[1:11:02] We met with the, which button am I doing wrong here?
[1:11:10] Oh my gracious, thank you.
[1:11:12] We met with the stakeholders in this, the folks who had been to the public hearings
[1:11:18] and who had had questions about the cap fees.
[1:11:21] We met with them a couple of weeks ago and we feel like we had good resolution.
[1:11:27] We included some of their ideas as well in the resolution, a couple of the items that
[1:11:34] We changed right here on this particular item with the underlying.
[1:11:38] We added those words that, that it does not apply to Valnova and have more developments
[1:11:44] or any development, not utilizing the capacity in the eastern or western water zones.
[1:11:49] As you know, the water study that was completed regarding these cap fees was strictly limited
[1:11:57] to the eastern and western water zones, nothing else.
[1:12:00] So we added those words for some clarity.
[1:12:03] We also added down here in Item 6.
[1:12:07] This was a discussion point earlier on
[1:12:11] that these decisions for credits or reimbursements
[1:12:14] will be made at the discretion of the water,
[1:12:16] the city water superintendent,
[1:12:18] but still subject to appeal of the city council.
[1:12:21] So people felt like they did have that option
[1:12:23] to come back to you and discuss that.
[1:12:25] And then the very last thing in section nine,
[1:12:28] where the waivers to the cap fee would be granted by the city council, obviously.
[1:12:35] And that the fees would be the fees are illustrated in exhibit B for those subdivisions.
[1:12:43] That this does not pertain to.
[1:12:45] The waivers will be formalized in an agreement between the developer of the property in the city.
[1:12:50] And those agreements will be done by our legal council after this is done.
[1:12:56] We also discussed at that meeting with the state holders timeframe that this could go on and they were all in agreement that the timeframe did not need to be long.
[1:13:06] Some of the subdivisions are larger and some are smaller.
[1:13:09] And so some obviously will need to be a little bit longer than others, but we weren't talking about multiple multiple years.
[1:13:16] But those will come back to you for your review and approval as soon as those are done.
[1:13:22] So that's all that I can think of to share with you right now.
[1:13:28] We did, just one of the things though, exhibit B does show the subdivisions that have
[1:13:32] paid the preliminary plot fees, that this directly affects not moving forward with a new
[1:13:37] cap fee.
[1:13:39] And one of those has already paid all of their final plot fees and two others have started paying
[1:13:44] final plot fees.
[1:13:45] So they are moving.
[1:13:46] but these are not just stationary subdivisions.
[1:13:51] I think
[1:13:55] that's it.
[1:13:56] Okay, that's it for staff.
[1:14:00] At this time, I think I'm gonna open a public testimony
[1:14:03] unless we have any other comments for Mike or Ken prior to,
[1:14:10] if we get a sheet real quick, sorry, first.
[1:14:34] All right, thank you.
[1:14:35] We have, looks like we have four people
[1:14:37] that like to testify, Lorraine Henry.
[1:14:43] She didn't lobby here
[1:14:48] where she went.
[1:14:49] So we'll go to Peter Robbins.
[1:15:05] Thank you for allowing me a few minutes to speak. I was here back in the end of your address and the in person.
[1:15:13] Oh, I'm sorry. Peter Robbins, 138 South Vandries and Eagle. I was here at the end of November and that meeting was filled with a lot of real ugly talk about the upcoming runoff election.
[1:15:24] and I fear my message was completely lost in all of that nastiness, so I'm back here just
[1:15:32] to ask if you can help with old valley road between Linda, Avenue, and Baxter Avenue. The
[1:15:43] parking on that road is getting to be atrocious and it's good. I don't know if that's relevant
[1:15:48] to this particular item now.
[1:15:51] What? I'm sorry, called me up.
[1:15:54] Yeah.
[1:15:55] I did call you up, but it was for this.
[1:15:57] I'm sorry.
[1:15:58] Mr. Mayor, I think you probably signed up for the wrong.
[1:16:01] Yeah.
[1:16:02] You might have just hit the wrong one.
[1:16:05] Okay.
[1:16:06] Which one do you want?
[1:16:07] So we can get the right one.
[1:16:10] The public comment at the end?
[1:16:12] Is that we're waiting on?
[1:16:13] Yeah.
[1:16:13] Okay.
[1:16:14] Yeah.
[1:16:14] That'll be at the end.
[1:16:15] so if you can hang around for, I know, yeah, thanks, though.
[1:16:21] It's okay.
[1:16:21] Oh, no, we want to hear from you.
[1:16:23] Yeah, we have to get you a few statements out to see
[1:16:26] where you're going with it, and realize that we'll move
[1:16:29] through that.
[1:16:32] Frank, Christopher,
[1:16:36] okay, thank you.
[1:16:37] All right, that is all the public comment sign-up sheets,
[1:16:41] but come on up and you got your name and number,
[1:16:45] name and address, name and number for the record, and good evening Mayor and members of the council.
[1:16:54] I'm not sure I'm going to give you my phone number, but I'll give you my name and address.
[1:16:56] I have your phone number.
[1:16:58] Good question.
[1:16:58] Most people do.
[1:16:59] It's public.
[1:17:01] Dave Yorgeson address, 13, 1965 was Chindon, sweet to a one, boy, see.
[1:17:09] A couple things, first of all, thank you for allowing us to be with your staff and make these
[1:17:13] clarification changes.
[1:17:14] really kind of a big deal actually. And as mentioned by staff, there's already some moving forward.
[1:17:18] I have two that are not on that yet to be paid, but soon to be paid list, they're on your
[1:17:23] list, exhibit be one of which might be on the next month or so. And so we just want to say,
[1:17:30] I'll say thank you for having me make those changes with clarifications and looking forward to
[1:17:34] that wavered agreements, looking to the attorney there. As soon as that agreement is grafted,
[1:17:39] looking forward to signing it moving forward to help with the others, we'll be signing as
[1:17:44] So that was just my statement.
[1:17:45] I reckon there's a lot of people here.
[1:17:47] I'm not going to be long in my testimony.
[1:17:49] Just granting that thank you tonight.
[1:17:51] Instead of any questions.
[1:17:52] All right.
[1:17:53] Thank you Dave.
[1:17:53] Is there any questions for Dave?
[1:17:55] Comments.
[1:17:56] All right.
[1:17:56] Thank you.
[1:17:57] Welcome.
[1:17:57] Thanks again.
[1:17:58] Thank you very much.
[1:18:00] Now, nobody else has signed up.
[1:18:01] It's your welcome to come up.
[1:18:02] If you would like to speak on this item.
[1:18:05] You're welcome to come to the podium and.
[1:18:09] Give her testimony.
[1:18:12] All right.
[1:18:13] Seeing none.
[1:18:14] I'm going to go to close the public testimony.
[1:18:18] Is there any other comments from staff or our engineer or our director that we'll like
[1:18:23] to be done prior to bringing you back to Council?
[1:18:30] Okay, thank you.
[1:18:31] I'm going to close the public hearing at this point and bring it back to Council for discussion
[1:18:35] consideration.
[1:18:41] Mr. Mayor, I'd like to go ahead and make a motion then to approve item 9A1 resolution
[1:18:47] Number 24-03 new capitalization fee to replace storage and trunk line fees and water construction
[1:18:54] equivalency fees in accordance with the city of Eagle water system capitalization fee study
[1:19:00] Thank you have the motion to have a second second
[1:19:03] a roll call please
[1:19:07] I
[1:19:11] Thank you we're going to move on to item B now, which is a
[1:19:17] It's CU-11-21 mod and PPU-D08-21 plan unit development modification, little feather, Eagle LLC, and Mike Geordia.
[1:19:29] Thank you.
[1:19:30] Mr. Mayor, members of the council, Mike Williams, playing Zone and staff for the record.
[1:19:34] We received email this afternoon approximately 3-12.
[1:19:38] The applicants representative requested decided to be continued to the July 23rd public hearing.
[1:19:50] Okay, the applicant is asked for a particular situation to July 23rd.
[1:19:55] Is there a council member willing to make a motion for that?
[1:19:58] Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion too.
[1:20:00] Continued item 9b, CU-11-21-MOD, PPUD-08-21-MOD, the planning and development modification, for little feather eagle, to the July 23rd, public hearing.
[1:20:14] Thank you. Have a motion to have a second.
[1:20:19] Thank you.
[1:20:22] Motion passes.
[1:20:24] We will move on now to letter C, which is A-06-23-RZ-12-23-CU-12-23-23-PPUD-04-23-PP-08-23.
[1:20:41] annexation, resown condition, we use permit,
[1:20:44] preliminary development, plant, and preliminary
[1:20:47] plat for wilderness, river subdivision is the applicant here.
[1:20:56] Mr. Mayor, you could ask,
[1:20:58] ex-parte, I didn't know you were asking for all three ideas.
[1:21:01] Sorry, I did have a resident reach out about the process
[1:21:04] and I indicated that it was before the council
[1:21:07] and for them to come in comment during public comment
[1:21:10] or sent in comments, but I did get a call.
[1:21:13] That's a perfect timing right now to do it right now.
[1:21:15] Okay.
[1:21:16] That's perfect.
[1:21:17] Thank you.
[1:21:18] Okay, the applicant is here, and I'm going to open the public hearing
[1:21:22] and give you the floor.
[1:21:24] Thank you.
[1:21:25] Good evening, Mr. Mayor.
[1:21:26] Members of Council.
[1:21:27] My name is Stephanie Hopkins.
[1:21:29] I work for CAM Engineering.
[1:21:30] Our address is 575, Mark Discovery Way in Boise.
[1:21:35] I'm thrilled to be here this evening.
[1:21:36] representing the property owners, Lyndon Toby Williamson.
[1:21:40] We've been working with them on this project for about two years.
[1:21:44] I think it's been.
[1:21:46] And they've lived in the Eagle community for much longer than that.
[1:21:51] So they've lived here since 1965, which is almost 60 years.
[1:21:56] They've been a part of the Eagle community.
[1:21:58] The Williamson family purchased 400 acres to establish their family ranch in Eagle.
[1:22:02] at the time Eagle's population was only 400 people.
[1:22:07] The current property owner has got married at Rembrandt,
[1:22:09] which was about his church at the time.
[1:22:11] It's now a cute little coffee shop with restaurant.
[1:22:14] They used to push cattle across the bridge,
[1:22:16] and would write their horses down to Orville Jackson's
[1:22:18] or the Eagle Grill in town.
[1:22:21] Things have obviously changed quite dramatically
[1:22:23] since they first established their home
[1:22:26] within the island.
[1:22:29] And since they branched the property throughout the years,
[1:22:32] I'm noting all of this just to acknowledge that they've been a part of the Eagle community and they really want to see this property developed in something that they can be proud of and the Eagle community can be proud of as well.
[1:22:45] They've always taken pride in their property and we hope to help them develop it into a community that will the last little piece of community that will be a nice compliment to existing development.
[1:22:56] So the property we're discussing this evening was contemplated for future development, and a portion of it was included with the comprehensive plan map amendment that was completed for the Williamson River Ranch subdivision in 2016.
[1:23:09] That application contemplated the comprehensive plan map amendment, which was to basically take it out of the Boise area of impact and place into Eagles.
[1:23:17] Pulumary Platt for the residential subdivision that's to the north and a Planned Unit
[1:23:21] Development as well as annexation and zoning with a development agreement for the Williams
[1:23:25] and River Ranch subdivision.
[1:23:27] For this evening, we're going to be discussing the wilderness to River Sub, but we're requesting
[1:23:32] a Planned Unit Development which is comprised of annexation and rezoning to the R2 District,
[1:23:37] which is very similar to adjacent subdivisions with a development agreement, a preliminary
[1:23:42] development plan and preliminary plot for a single family development.
[1:23:46] We're going to agreement with the staff report and the Associated Conditions for Proofable
[1:23:50] from Planning staff as well as other environmental reviewing agencies and reviewers like
[1:23:55] the Fire Department.
[1:23:58] We, without all, continue on with our presentation.
[1:24:01] So there were quite a few items that were discussed in our June planning and zoning commission
[1:24:05] meeting.
[1:24:06] The primary concern that was voiced by neighbors and the major takeaway that we had was
[1:24:11] considering about the emergency access point or the secondary point of access for emergency vehicles
[1:24:16] on the eastern portion of the development. So we've worked with the fire department and the
[1:24:21] item materials and construction property to the east pretty comprehensively within the last several
[1:24:27] weeks since our meeting and have made headway so I'll cover that in more detail later.
[1:24:34] I just wanted to note that we've made some headway there.
[1:24:39] So the property is located, it's outlined in orange here.
[1:24:44] It's one of a few undeveloped properties in this area in the city of Eagle.
[1:24:48] So this area and the IMC property is really the only property that hasn't been developed with any kind of residential or commercial development at this point.
[1:24:56] located south of the Williamson River Ranch subdivision, which is
[1:25:00] Our two, with the development agreement, Resent, Nestle Island, and Island Woods are all zoned, our two, with development agreement and planning and developments.
[1:25:10] It's east of Resent and Island Woods, as you can see, north of the south channel, the Boise River, and the Boise Voicewater Treatment Plant, which is zoned iTunes and Industrial District, and west of property owned by Old Castle MMG, which is the IMC property that it will be referencing for our presentation.
[1:25:30] So the comprehensive plan for this area indicates that it will be a neighborhood use, which
[1:25:37] is two, or it's two to four units per acre, where below that density at 1.4, doing
[1:25:43] use per acre, that does exclude the floodway, but you can see it indicated on the south part
[1:25:47] of the property. As mentioned, this property was included in the comprehensive plan map amendment
[1:25:52] that was approved for the Williamson River Ranch subdivision. Previously, this property had
[1:25:56] and including Boise's comprehensive plan.
[1:25:58] And what have been allowed to develop with much higher density
[1:26:01] residential uses than we're proposing this evening?
[1:26:04] Person of the Development does fall
[1:26:05] within the floodway designation indicated here,
[1:26:08] and there is an overlay for preservation,
[1:26:12] I think, of open space, where applicable.
[1:26:16] So there is a section in the eastern portion
[1:26:19] of the development indicated here
[1:26:21] that is the Eagle Island special use area.
[1:26:24] It's the head of Eagle Island and I think that it was placed here primarily because it's a parcel line and it just was kind of where it fell.
[1:26:34] But our interpretation of the comprehensive plan and how we've applied it with this development is that we are preserving open space.
[1:26:41] We're applicable in really clustering residential lots in a way that helps to capitalize on the natural amenities available to this property and really make it a premier project.
[1:26:52] So approximately 9.65 acres are located with a head of Eagle Island,
[1:26:58] Future Land use map area that we're just talking about.
[1:27:01] We have nine buildable lots in a cul-de-sac with in that portion and within about 4.5 acres of that area.
[1:27:09] So we are leaving five acres open.
[1:27:11] We've designated a group designed to perform a plan to preserve over 20 acres of the site to preserve the Repairion.
[1:27:17] areas, the wildlife habitat, and floodway, and other areas of the plant, fulfilling the intent
[1:27:23] of the eagle island land use. I'll talk about that a little bit more later, but our development
[1:27:28] does support several comprehensive plan goals outlined by the city, specifically by providing
[1:27:32] a subdivision that can promote recreation and open space and providing housing opportunities in
[1:27:38] an area that has been forecasted for growth within the density range. So we're actually less
[1:27:43] in the density range that the city is forecasted at this point and we think that that's consistent
[1:27:47] with what's been approved in the area.
[1:27:51] So so our primary plot, we designed this to be consistent with Williamson River Ranch, which
[1:27:56] is located to the north.
[1:27:57] Our development area is about 88 acres, total number of lots is 119, 100 and eight of those
[1:28:04] are buildable lots, one is the existing residents.
[1:28:08] So the existing residents is proposed to be retained and it's going to be on about four and
[1:28:12] half acres and our other lots will range in size.
[1:28:17] They'll be from about 10,000 square feet up to 12,000 or 31,000 square feet.
[1:28:22] Our average lot size excluding the existing home is 12,714 square feet.
[1:28:31] So we will be connecting to existing substrates provided
[1:28:34] within the Williamson River Ranch subdivision, which connect to island woods,
[1:28:39] and goes to Eagle Road.
[1:28:41] Isla Del Rio is the main point of access.
[1:28:44] So we're connecting to, we'll also be connecting to Logo
[1:28:47] and Reparian Way.
[1:28:50] As mentioned, we've been working with the Fire Department
[1:28:52] and IMC on an emergency access that'll come
[1:28:54] from the east over here.
[1:29:02] So we've provided ample open space with this development.
[1:29:04] And that's largely in part because of some of the sensitive areas
[1:29:08] that are in this area, because of this,
[1:29:11] as River South Channel, as well as the floodway.
[1:29:16] And it was also a great opportunity
[1:29:18] to be able to class your development,
[1:29:19] North, and make it more consistent with what's kind
[1:29:22] of already been developed.
[1:29:24] We have 46 acres of open space,
[1:29:27] which is about 52% of the site.
[1:29:29] 31% of that, or 16 acres, is considered
[1:29:33] to be active open space.
[1:29:35] City code only requires 15% or 6.89 acres to be provided.
[1:29:40] And again, this is kind of how we've tried to fulfill the eagle island land use by preserving open space and really giving really providing a community that focuses on open space and recreation and active open space.
[1:29:54] We will be retaining an historic silo as located near the entrance of the subdivision.
[1:30:00] It's around a hundred years old, has been used for many years, and the Williamson's really wanted to preserve it to kind of keep some of the heritage of the site.
[1:30:09] Here, we'll be including some historic signage as well as just some information about the significance of the silo.
[1:30:17] We will have two water features, a central feature ponds that you can see homes are located along, so that'll provide some nice waterfront properties for folks.
[1:30:27] And we'll provide a nice water feature
[1:30:31] amenity for feature residents.
[1:30:32] We also have a clubhouse with pool.
[1:30:34] It'll be a modern style clubhouse with nice amenities.
[1:30:39] This will have its own separate HOA.
[1:30:41] It'll be separate from the Williamson River Ranch subdivision.
[1:30:44] And we'll establish its own set of CCNars and fees associated with maintenance of open spaces.
[1:30:57] So we met with the Parks Pathways and Recreation Committee in May of this year.
[1:31:01] and receive the recommendation of approval.
[1:31:04] We're proposing sidewalks,
[1:31:05] micro pathways, and larger pathways throughout the development.
[1:31:08] They did have some changes.
[1:31:09] They wanted us to make to our pathways plan,
[1:31:11] which we're amenable to, and we will make before we receive approval tonight,
[1:31:14] before we make a final plot.
[1:31:17] It's a middle to the city.
[1:31:18] We will be keeping area within the floodway
[1:31:20] as a neat, eight foot natural surface pathway.
[1:31:25] Outside of that, the cities request that we put a ten foot
[1:31:27] as fault pathway, which we will include an eight foot
[1:31:31] concrete pathway from the subdivision itself to the 10-foot asphalt pathway, and then a 14-foot concrete pathway to the east.
[1:31:40] In the planning and zoning commission meeting, we did discuss and has been conditioned that we lose a lot within the eastern portion of the development to include 50 feet of right away for
[1:31:51] extension of a potential roadway for what might be the three cities crossing in the future and we're
[1:31:56] amenable to making that change. So I don't know the 14-foot concrete pathway, the initial
[1:32:02] intention behind that was that it would provide a passageway for emergency vehicles and would
[1:32:07] be within 20-foot easements. So with the procurement of a 50-foot right away, I think that that would
[1:32:13] probably suffice for emergency access. The 14-foot concrete pathway likely stay, it'll just kind of
[1:32:20] need to be situated near that right away.
[1:32:27] So this is a letter that was included within the packet for planning and zoning commission.
[1:32:30] It's from Deputy Chief Fire Marshall Scott Buck.
[1:32:34] He included specific conditions that were required for the wilderness subdivision specifically.
[1:32:41] So with the Lames and Rivers subdivision, they were under the agreement that they had an emergency
[1:32:46] access that actually crosses through this portion of the property through IMC property
[1:32:51] to stay highway 44. They never actually recorded an easement with that agreement for that easement.
[1:32:57] It does, the easement exists, but there was never an agreement that was actually recorded.
[1:33:01] And so the fire department is now saying that they, before they will prove this project,
[1:33:05] that agreement needs to be recorded, and I am C, and the developer need to agree to the terms
[1:33:11] within that agreement. We've been working with I am C on that, and they're amenable to
[1:33:15] for curing that with us, so we're working in the fire department to make sure that the
[1:33:21] verbiage matches what they'd like to see, and we'll make sure that it's drafted up and
[1:33:26] we'll work with with the different entities to make sure that it covers all the bases.
[1:33:34] So let's see, this letter was included in the staff report, so Deputy Chief Fire Martial
[1:33:41] but included that the coldestact shall have a collapse of the ballards or an approved equivalent.
[1:33:47] He also included that the owner or HOA of wilderness river river subdivision will be required to maintain the bridge and roadway.
[1:33:55] And make sure this possible for emergency vehicles.
[1:33:58] And that's something that the applicant is amenable to doing.
[1:34:02] So those are both things that we're not required of the Williamson River Ranch subdivision.
[1:34:05] And we'll provide additional assurances to existing residents in this area by actually providing
[1:34:10] And emergency access, the secondary emergency access that is usable, has an agreement, and is actually in good condition.
[1:34:21] So there are two easements that exist that provide access from the Williamson property through IMC property, the state highway 44 that we've located.
[1:34:29] The first one is through the staker in person property, which is the old castle or the IMC property.
[1:34:34] It was recorded in 2005, and it grants access.
[1:34:39] This is a depiction of it.
[1:34:41] It's not super clear, but we've been able to trace the legal's
[1:34:45] back through to see that it goes from basically the eastern edge of the
[1:34:49] Williamson's property to through IMC property to stay highway 44.
[1:34:55] The second one is through the Williamson property, which is recorded in
[1:34:58] 2007.
[1:34:58] and this is the one that was
[1:35:00] This is primarily referenced within the Williamson River Ranch approval. And this one extends just through the Williamson property, extends from their eastern boundary through the Williamson property.
[1:35:12] So we'll be utilizing both of these easements to draft the access easement that's required by the fire department.
[1:35:19] And
[1:35:23] this is a depiction of how those two easements will kind of function.
[1:35:26] So as you can see right now, they actually, the emergency access extends from a stub
[1:35:31] the substrate within Williamson River Ranch along the northern boundary of our subdivision.
[1:35:37] If we were to include the right of way on our eastern portion, we would likely just pick it
[1:35:42] up from here and then extend it up to see Highway 44 to the north.
[1:35:51] And this is a letter that we actually provided with the packet initially, but we've
[1:35:56] been coordinating with IMC pretty regularly on this trying to find any recorded agreement that
[1:36:02] may have existed for Lemons in River Ranch and were unable to cover anything, which is
[1:36:06] why we're planning on drafting a new one. But this is a letter asserting that they are
[1:36:12] in agreement and they will continue to provide emergency access to this area specifically the
[1:36:18] in a server project.
[1:36:24] So we're really excited about this project.
[1:36:27] It's a wilderness server has been designed and thought out to complement
[1:36:30] existing development. We think it really works well.
[1:36:34] The density is consistent and compatible.
[1:36:37] And it'll be a really high quality development in area that has been contemplated for
[1:36:41] our development in the past. It's tying into existing substrates and
[1:36:46] And traffic is below what ESHD would consider their capacity for a collector roadway, which is Island Woods.
[1:36:55] We're in agreement with the staff report and all the associated conditions of approval, including fire departments requirements and all the other requirements included.
[1:37:03] And we're really excited to keep working with the city on this. So I'll see you in for questions if you have any.
[1:37:08] Thanks very much.
[1:37:09] Thank you.
[1:37:10] Stephanie, is there any questions or comments for Stephanie at this point?
[1:37:13] All right, thank you, we'll hear it from you again on the revolutions and Mike, would you like to come up for staff?
[1:37:48] Mayor and Council, once again Mike Williams playing his own staff for the record.
[1:37:52] Tonight you have a request for you for wilderness river subdivision.
[1:37:58] It's by Toby and Linda Williamson and is represented by Miss Hopkins.
[1:38:01] The request is to develop 119 lot subdivision, 118 billable with 11 common lots located
[1:38:10] with an 88 acre site, which is east of Island Wood's Drive on on the southern portion
[1:38:16] of the island.
[1:38:18] There's a vicinity map showing it.
[1:38:20] It consists of approximately four parcels, one of which, and we're going to touch on this
[1:38:25] in a minute, is the head of Eagle Island, the remaining portion of it, that's what it's
[1:38:29] made in the competency plan. The remaining portion is designated as neighborhood residential,
[1:38:35] which is 2 to 4 blowing units for acre. Concept plan, showing layout. This hopped this is already
[1:38:43] presented that, and then of course the preliminary plot. What I'm going to do from this point
[1:38:48] is we're going to talk about the plane-zoning recommendation, the staff report, and how we arrive
[1:38:54] were at today.
[1:38:59] So the dwelling use for acres being proposed is 1.4 dwelling units per acre.
[1:39:04] That is with the floodway area removed. As we all realize, you cannot develop within the
[1:39:11] floodway and based on our comprehensive plan and our code and city code. When we're calculating
[1:39:17] density, we actually remove that floodway area. So it does slightly increase the density by
[1:39:22] moving to floodway area. Minimalot size is 10,000 square feet, typically in Minimalot size in
[1:39:28] our two zoning designation is 17,000. However, with that being said, for all those
[1:39:34] lots are that are below that minimum lot size, they have to provide an offsetting increase
[1:39:40] of open space. The Minimalot widths are all within the, in conformance with the Eagle City
[1:39:46] code and in minimum street frontages as well. The toll acreage of common area open space
[1:39:52] on his site is 45.93 acres, the what was required based on their
[1:40:00] Offset in the increase of open space, there required to have 20.35 acres. And in a percentage of the
[1:40:07] site's common area is 52.1% of the site with 23.1% is what was required based on that
[1:40:16] offset in the increase in open space. And in 31% of that open space is active open space and
[1:40:23] based on Eagle City Code, they're required to have 15%.
[1:40:27] Issues with special concern. This is what we need to address,
[1:40:32] based on your competency plan, and based on Eagle City Code
[1:40:35] that's associated with this development.
[1:40:38] So starting right off the bat head of Eagle Island,
[1:40:40] the competency plan designation.
[1:40:42] So the tip that they showed you that's just to the east
[1:40:45] and it's a section line is what it is, not a parcel line,
[1:40:48] it's actually a section line.
[1:40:49] is actually designated head of Eagle Island.
[1:40:53] Setbacks, special flood hazard area requirements,
[1:40:57] that's your floodway floodplain areas.
[1:41:00] Boister River flood control number 10 access
[1:41:03] for they call them, if they have to,
[1:41:06] if they're in a flood fight,
[1:41:08] they need access to that river flood fight.
[1:41:11] I should say not flight.
[1:41:13] Wetlands, the Parks and Pathway Recreation
[1:41:16] recommended pathway, locations, central services
[1:41:20] for the existing home, Eagle Island area of impact transfer
[1:41:24] agreement between the city of Boisey and the city of Eagle.
[1:41:28] When Williamson River Ranch originally came through,
[1:41:31] there was a portion that ran north and south
[1:41:33] through not just this subject property,
[1:41:36] but also through Williamson River Ranch,
[1:41:38] that prior to taking Williamson River Ranch subdivision
[1:41:40] through the process, we had to enter into this agreement
[1:41:43] with Boisey because it was actually in their
[1:41:45] comprehensive plan and that agreement is part of the record.
[1:41:48] And then required secondary emergency access,
[1:41:51] cold-to-sac typical street section,
[1:41:54] and then the historic silos, signage, and seating area,
[1:41:57] and that's since they're proposing it.
[1:42:00] So let's talk about the head of Eagle Island.
[1:42:03] That head of Eagle Island consists of approximately
[1:42:05] 9.65 acres, and it's located
[1:42:09] within the very eastern portion of the site.
[1:42:12] And what the compound calls for on this, it possesses a recognized function as wildlife habitat,
[1:42:19] floodway, and scenic natural resources.
[1:42:22] I will tell you the Head of Eagle Island where it's shown here, I believe, does not
[1:42:27] continue in any floodway, and if it does, it's minimal.
[1:42:30] Most of it is completely out of the floodplain.
[1:42:35] The development of streets buildings and other covered structures within this area should
[1:42:39] be prohibited.
[1:42:40] The head of Eagle Island designated area within the proposed development does not contain any floodway.
[1:42:45] The applicant is proposing to develop approximately 4.6 acres of the area with a colisthenac and billable lots,
[1:42:53] leaving the remaining 5.05 acres undeveloped except for pathways.
[1:42:59] I typically don't read these.
[1:43:02] However, this is important to address the head of Eagle Island.
[1:43:05] There are a few trees located with the area in the possibility of wetlands.
[1:43:10] However, the applicant is required to conduct a wetland delineation within the site to address
[1:43:14] any requirements of the United States Corps of Engineers,
[1:43:17] associate with any wetlands that they may need to mitigate for,
[1:43:21] and to address the intended ahead of Eagle Island for preservation of the area.
[1:43:25] The applicant is preserving approximately 20.37 acres,
[1:43:29] or 23% of the site of contiguous common area to preserve the riparian forest while life
[1:43:36] habitat and floodway this located Jason to the south channel of the Boise River.
[1:43:41] So the entire area that's adjacent to that channel is proposed to be a common lot.
[1:43:47] Setbacks, Eagle City Code 8-2-4 requires 30 feet on the front, 30 feet on the rear, 10 feet
[1:43:54] besides additional five feet for a second story, maximum lock coverage of 40 percent.
[1:44:00] The applicant had requested and staff supported it as well as your plan zoning commission
[1:44:05] recommended it as well to allow for a 20 foot living area setback, 31 feet for the garage.
[1:44:12] That was a staff insert based on the fact we have to ensure that there's adequate room
[1:44:17] between the front of the garage and the back of the sidewalk, 20 feet of rear setback and
[1:44:22] And seven and a half feet on the sides with that additional five feet for second story
[1:44:27] with the street side of 15 feet.
[1:44:29] And then if they're putting a garage on the street side, because if you're address from
[1:44:32] the front you're on a corner lot, that garage still has to be 31 feet, so you have
[1:44:37] adequate room to park between the front of the garage and the back that side walk.
[1:44:42] Yes, why the recommendation came through it 20 feet and why these setbacks came through
[1:44:47] but the way they are, they match weems and river ranches setbacks.
[1:44:52] Special flood hazard area requirements.
[1:44:57] Simple one for me. I'm the floodplain administrator.
[1:45:00] We inserted what you typically see associated with your area, special flood hazards. So number right off the bat on 3.6 on a condition of development. If you choose to approve this, we placed that development agreement. Number 1, dress the wetlands.
[1:45:16] 3.12, owner shall provide an approved land use change, site development application from Boise River, flood control district, number 10, prior to the middle of a final plat.
[1:45:26] The flood control district has their own application process and what they do is they look at these land use applications that comes through adjacent to the river and at that time if they feel if there's a need for access to that river that's part of that application process and they'll address it at that time.
[1:45:47] And in owner shell can play with all applicable provisions of Title 10 that your flood control section of your code.
[1:45:54] And all building shall be set back and minimum 100 feet from the floodway line has identified on the flood insurance rate map associated with the site.
[1:46:03] That is in as a condition of development, however, based on the location of the lots and a relationship of that large common lot that's adjacent to the South Channel.
[1:46:13] most, I would say majority of the lots are already more than 100 feet from that floodway line.
[1:46:22] Voice of River, flood control district number 10, I touched on this and it's, you find this
[1:46:27] under Eagle City Code Section 10-1-8-7, that's the title 10, that's your flood control section
[1:46:34] with floodplain and floodway standards and states that for all subdivisions along the Voice of River
[1:46:40] Dry Creek, prior to approval, the final plant rent approval from flood control district
[1:46:44] is required to protect access to the river for maintenance that goes back to that condition
[1:46:49] of development at 3.12.
[1:46:51] So the flood control district concerns if this is approved will be addressed within the
[1:46:58] development agreement.
[1:47:00] Wetlands, owner shop provider reporter analysis of any proposed changes to wetlands located
[1:47:04] under property, they are required to go through a delineation, and at that time they're
[1:47:10] be a determination. It may change the layout slightly because they will either have to avoid
[1:47:17] those wetlands or mitigate for them. Parks and Pathway Recreation Commission, Pathway
[1:47:23] Recommendations. We took this before the Parks and Pathway Recreation Commission on
[1:47:31] May 10th. They made the recommendations based on what staff presented and they also asked
[1:47:37] for an additional condition be added to address the possibility for a blanket easement across
[1:47:45] the common lot that's adjacent to the South Channel in the event that there's ever the
[1:47:52] opportunity to construct a pedestrian bridge across that channel.
[1:47:56] I'm not going to go into those great detail, but they're in agreement with everything the
[1:48:00] Parks and Pathway Recreation Commission recommended.
[1:48:04] Existing home and central services,
[1:48:09] the recommendation that went to planning zoning was that
[1:48:11] donor shall be required to connect the existing residents to central water and sewer
[1:48:15] prior to city clerk signing the final plan for the associated phase.
[1:48:19] This is typical.
[1:48:21] During the public hearing process, the applicant requested this be way to state that the existing
[1:48:27] residents shall be permitted to utilize the existing septic and well until the system fails
[1:48:32] upon system failure or change in property ownership the owner shall be required to
[1:48:39] bend into potable well and septic system and provide documentation from the
[1:48:43] subdivision contractor that the potable well and septic system were properly
[1:48:47] abandoned. This is the recommendation that came from the planning zoning
[1:48:53] commission. It is not unusual. I've seen these before. We just need to ensure that
[1:48:58] if it ever sells or something fails
[1:49:02] that they're required to connect at that time.
[1:49:07] Ilyen, area of impact transfer agreement
[1:49:09] between the City of Eagle and City of Boise.
[1:49:12] In condition of development 3.4,
[1:49:14] there's one major factor, whether there's a couple of them,
[1:49:19] that Boise wanted to ensure number one was density,
[1:49:22] which is below their density.
[1:49:24] Number two was they have a wastewater treatment plant
[1:49:27] located in proximity to this site.
[1:49:30] So under 3.4F and 3.4 in the conditions development is the language that has to be placed within
[1:49:38] your CC&Rs and that language is an express acknowledgement that the property owners are
[1:49:45] aware of the existence of the Boise water treatment plant located across the South
[1:49:51] channel, the Boise River, and wave the right to file complaints regarding noters, noise,
[1:49:56] or other normal operations associated with the wastewater treatment.
[1:50:19] The secondary emergency access, owner shall comply with the requirements of legal fire department and city legal parks, pathways and recreation, commission, recommendations, and recommendations.
[1:50:31] the secondary emergency access prior to city parks signing the final
[1:50:36] plan.
[1:50:41] Polesac Street section, the only issue with the Colisex Street section is
[1:50:45] there showing a 30 foot island.
[1:50:48] I have written around in fire apparatus.
[1:50:52] Because at one time we had narrow Colisex with these big beautiful
[1:50:55] islands, and we found out that you can't get fire apparatus around
[1:50:59] them.
[1:51:00] So, at that time, we amended the code, require 50 foot radius, which they have.
[1:51:07] The only problem was, is they had a 15 foot radius landscape island, which doesn't give them
[1:51:14] the ability to turn a fire apparatus around these colonists.
[1:51:18] So, what this condition is calling for is to reduce that radius to 10 feet, and that's what's required by code.
[1:51:25] And in historic silo signage and seeding area, you'll look at this and they're proposing to save the silo.
[1:51:31] They want to do a seeding area with the monument I believe, acknowledging the Williamson River Ranch and a little bit of the history.
[1:51:39] And even though they're proposing it, we want to ensure if this were to be approved that that happens and is part of the design review process.
[1:51:46] So it was recommended that the owner shall retain and enhance his historic silo to include signage describing his significance
[1:51:53] And so the structure to the heritage, the heritage of the property in the area, the common
[1:51:57] lot, containing the historic silo and silo, and siloing, including the seeding areas,
[1:52:02] identified on the concept plan, Exhibit C, and that will be part of the development
[1:52:06] agreement approved.
[1:52:07] And the retention has submitted the historic siloing, inclusive of the siloing, and seeding
[1:52:12] areas shall be completed prior to seeding, or exciting in the flat.
[1:52:17] Do the planning zoning commission on a three-to-one vote?
[1:52:21] Did recommend approval of this?
[1:52:25] Chairman Wright was not present in Commissioner members Smith voted against the proposal
[1:52:30] and that staff had stand for questions.
[1:52:34] All right, you comments or questions for Mike at this time?
[1:52:37] Mr. Mayor?
[1:52:39] Mike, a couple questions for you.
[1:52:41] Can you clarify for me what the current zoning is that states on the property right now
[1:52:46] for RP for the A to County designation?
[1:52:50] I'm sorry, I had a side noise here, can you?
[1:52:52] I'm so sorry, the current zoning that's on the property right now,
[1:52:57] as it is through A to County designation, rural preservation,
[1:53:01] what zoning does that currently have,
[1:53:02] should they stay within A to County?
[1:53:04] It would remain the rural preservation.
[1:53:06] Okay, that's what I just want to clarify on that.
[1:53:07] And then also too, can you tell me why the one vote
[1:53:11] against from design review, what kind of notes
[1:53:14] for made, is there any indication that you have for that
[1:53:17] as to why that one vote descended?
[1:53:19] Hey, Mr. Mayor and Council Member,
[1:53:20] again, Mr. Mayor, apologize for not going through you this.
[1:53:23] Answer the question on the first one.
[1:53:25] I can handle it.
[1:53:26] Council Member, again, Mr. Mayor,
[1:53:28] he was concerned about the access for Island Woods capacity
[1:53:32] and also the secondary access for emergency vehicles.
[1:53:36] Okay, thank you, Mike.
[1:53:40] You thoughts or comments?
[1:53:42] Mr. Mayor Mike, on the island would drive, that goes to the island woods, do we know
[1:53:50] if that HOA is responsible for the maintenance of island would drive on the paper section?
[1:53:56] Or is that going to be ITD maintaining that?
[1:53:59] Mr. Mayor, Council member Kwame, it is my understanding.
[1:54:03] I know I've been here a lot of years, but I was not here for island woods.
[1:54:07] It was my understanding when Island Woods was proposed, they proposed it with pavers, and part
[1:54:14] of that approval was that the homeowners association was required to be responsible for the
[1:54:21] maintenance of those pavers in perpetuity.
[1:54:27] What I would like to question or know is if this gets approved, then that's going to add
[1:54:34] the traffic load on those pavers is a developer willing to contribute to maintenance for their
[1:54:41] added load on those on the pavers for future maintenance. Because I see that that was a real
[1:54:48] short coming of the city of Eagle when dealing with two rivers drive the shores in May,
[1:54:54] branch. We've doubled the traffic on that two rivers drive.
[1:55:00] An island would drive because of those additional neighborhoods, but the two rivers H.O.A. is solely responsible for the maintenance, which I see it as unfair.
[1:55:10] I think it ought to be shared once development starts participating in the traffic load on those roads on those papers.
[1:55:16] and Mr. Mayor Councilman and Rukwami in the perfect world, and I would love if this
[1:55:24] we're approved, not saying I love if it's approved, but if this were to be approved,
[1:55:29] I think it would be incumbent upon all the homeowners associations down there to work
[1:55:34] together to come together with some kind of maintenance agreement that all of them, not
[1:55:38] just island woods, rivers and, Williamson River Ranch, as well as wilderness river,
[1:55:43] Sure and the expense of maintaining those pavers, they're all four more puttin'
[1:55:49] All right, he is, everybody, I know you have your opinions, but
[1:55:52] Curricy, please, I'm gonna continue to make sure we please be curious to
[1:55:57] All four more puttin' major impacts on the pavers, with that being said,
[1:56:03] I mean, I'm gonna race to legal here and I know Victor's on the phone,
[1:56:09] There may be a nexus, that if this were to be approved, part of that approval, they would
[1:56:14] be required to bring those back up to where they need to be, because as we all know,
[1:56:21] Alan Woods has been there for quite some time.
[1:56:24] I will once drive, and I'm sure it hasn't been chipped sealed in all these years.
[1:56:28] I've driven it myself, and you can tell by the chipped ceiling that's taken place.
[1:56:32] They've raised most of the roadway with the exception of the pavers, so it's almost like and a de facto speed bumps going through there.
[1:56:47] Yeah, the comments or questions at this time.
[1:56:51] All right, we're going to open up the public testimony portion.
[1:56:57] And if I can't reach your name, I apologize and I'll just butcher it and you can correct me, but I'll try to read them all appropriately.
[1:57:04] Okay,
[1:57:24] and also remind everybody, if you did not sign up at the end of the list, you want
[1:57:29] to come up and talk.
[1:57:30] You're welcome to do that.
[1:57:31] Just state your name and address for the record at that point.
[1:57:34] Okay, Tom Murray.
[1:57:48] Mr. Mayor, council members.
[1:57:50] Thank you.
[1:57:50] Appreciate being able to speak tonight.
[1:57:52] My name is Tom Murray.
[1:57:53] I live in Williamson River Ranch.
[1:57:56] At 1735 South Reparian Way.
[1:58:00] The Williamson River Ranch.
[1:58:02] There's a number of residents that have prepared a letter that should have been, I think,
[1:58:06] delivered to you or it will be this evening and I'm speaking in support of that letter
[1:58:10] and I'm going to speak to pieces of that letter now that specifically concerned me.
[1:58:15] I don't want you to continue with the letter but then you can put the timer off but we did not
[1:58:20] receive those packets until yesterday and was going to have attorneys speak against that behalf.
[1:58:28] Thank you. I can, or Mike, can do it either. Well, either way but it's too late to submit the
[1:58:35] letter, but you can use your three minutes and read it into the record. Absolutely. That's
[1:58:41] why I stopped the clock. You can start over with the clock and then you can read your
[1:58:45] letter completely. If you can get it through the three minutes, if not somebody can take over
[1:58:49] for you. If
[1:58:56] I may intervene, you can also have somebody see your three minutes to finish your
[1:59:06] Thank you, Mitch.
[1:59:08] Do I need to reintroduce?
[1:59:09] No.
[1:59:10] That's on the record already, but we'll start the timer once you start your letter.
[1:59:15] He goes to the council.
[1:59:16] The residents have went through a branch of previously expressed concern with the proposed
[1:59:20] wilderness subdivision in public testimony and again with this document.
[1:59:24] Williamson River Ranch consists of approximately 96 residential lots.
[1:59:29] We are pleading for resolution of safe egress from our neighborhood.
[1:59:32] not access, but Egress. Previously, at the time, Riverside subdivision was approved. It was built
[1:59:38] under the acknowledgement that an additional Egress access was pending with the three bridges project.
[1:59:43] Later, the three bridges project was canceled. Subsequently, Williams and River Ranch was approved
[1:59:48] under the same objections that there isn't adequate emergency Egress access for their homes.
[1:59:55] In this letter, the attached map shows how these homes have a single Egress route.
[2:00:00] There should there be an emergency due the proximity of the homes to both flood and fire danger and how quickly these events can materialize the residents plead for a solution for rapid safe egress.
[2:00:11] The entire wounds and river ramps subdivision has one roadway to exit the island woods drive. There's another parcel road that runs through a neighborhood, but the major exit is island woods drive.
[2:00:22] It is then a mile from where we are in Williams River Ranch to Eagle Road in the event of emergency.
[2:00:29] These residential homes 96 of them and their residents and now the residents of Wilderness River subdivision will converge to a single exit point where island woods drive ends and enters into Williams River Ranch today.
[2:00:43] All of those homes will have one single lane exit out.
[2:00:49] Mass evacuation of over 280 homes in addition to the island with homes that are already on that road trying to evacuate on a two-lane street would likely fail.
[2:00:57] In addition, an additional scenario, if the area of island woods or rivers and had a fire or flooding emergency, there's no other way through the residents of Williams River Ranch and the proposed wilderness river subdivision to get out.
[2:01:08] It would not be proven to ignore the possibility in the lives of the residents.
[2:01:11] The proposed wilderness subdivision will add 108 and more residential lots and unacceptable
[2:01:17] emergency egress.
[2:01:18] We ask the further development come with a standard paved neighborhood street that exits
[2:01:22] on the east or south side of wilderness river subdivision to avoid any confusion.
[2:01:27] The proposed fire access across Idaho concrete properties not for residential egress and would
[2:01:33] not support both incoming emergency vehicles and exiting resident vehicles.
[2:01:37] The easements only for emergency vehicles coming in.
[2:01:40] That's a pre-satch statement when all the residents can't use it to get out.
[2:01:44] So we will waive to the fire department that comes to save us for the watch is burned.
[2:01:47] If this easement were to become a planned egress, it would need to mean all requirements
[2:01:51] to ACHD and not the one-lane ditch road there it is today.
[2:01:55] City Council members, we bake for your decision to require a second egress access from the
[2:02:00] wilderness subdivision in order to gain approval.
[2:02:03] We're not against the subdivision as we recognize the unique living experience this area
[2:02:07] allows.
[2:02:07] We don't want to be the sad and unfortunate news story of the line of burnt out or
[2:02:12] fletic cars and resulting deaths due to a rush decision to allow development without
[2:02:16] responsible safety precautions.
[2:02:18] All right.
[2:02:19] Is there more to it?
[2:02:21] Yes.
[2:02:21] Okay.
[2:02:22] Yes.
[2:02:22] Somebody willing to give three minutes up for theirs.
[2:02:25] Just state your name.
[2:02:27] So I can.
[2:02:29] Thank you.
[2:02:30] Thank you.
[2:02:31] Okay.
[2:02:31] Continue, please.
[2:02:33] Oh, he's done.
[2:02:34] You get to take her.
[2:02:36] You get to continue.
[2:02:38] We've got three more minutes.
[2:02:39] Yeah, get three more minutes now.
[2:02:41] Sorry for the confusion, but yeah, go ahead.
[2:02:46] There's no other way that you can.
[2:02:48] There's no other.
[2:02:49] There's no one other than you that can protect us.
[2:02:52] There's nothing we can do but ask for your.
[2:02:54] You to require the second adequate egress access to these neighborhoods.
[2:02:58] No one wants to review a disaster effort happens and say,
[2:03:01] If only we had assured our residents a safe place to live.
[2:03:04] When we have the opportunity, please give this your full consideration
[2:03:06] under your, or fiduciaries, wants abilities, and accountability, or city leaders, and decision-makers.
[2:03:13] Just points.
[2:03:14] If either of which were to be blocked by natural disaster, flutter, fire, the residents would
[2:03:17] not be able to reach safety to go road.
[2:03:19] If a fire were to break out along the publicly accessed green bell along Boise River and wounds
[2:03:24] from River Ranch where tall grass exists, July through September, fire could reach homes quickly
[2:03:29] and become an inferno.
[2:03:30] Residents will need to exit and fire equipment to enter at the same time and it won't work
[2:03:35] the single entry lane going into Island Woods.
[2:03:39] A chances of those of us in the back end of the development getting out alive or poor.
[2:03:43] Our street is the furthest east street.
[2:03:45] We will be the last people to get out if we get out.
[2:03:50] Prior we've used the growth in this area identified the need for additional safe egress
[2:03:53] in access.
[2:03:54] There's planned easement on the east side of the wilderness river subdivision to provide
[2:03:58] fire access.
[2:03:58] I talked about that to single-lead dirt access road.
[2:04:02] It's only for the emergency vehicles to come in, stop for egress for residents.
[2:04:08] In my opinion, two wrongs don't make a right.
[2:04:10] This obligation has been passed up in the development of rivers and end winds from
[2:04:14] river ranch.
[2:04:16] It was a concern to 110 homes ago and adding 108 more without addressing the safety concern
[2:04:22] would be irresponsible.
[2:04:24] Lastly, how many exits are required by fire code for a public building?
[2:04:27] I believe it's two.
[2:04:28] This is to assure egress any event one of the other access exits are blocked. You need a way out this should
[2:04:35] Play exactly the same for what we're talking about here people should be provided a way out
[2:04:40] Please don't improve. We're in this rear subdivision application and till there's a solution for the second residential egress access
[2:04:47] It's very safe exit and the event of an emergency
[2:04:50] Thank you. All right. Thank you, Tom.
[2:04:55] Okay, and go ahead Mike with your portion of that
[2:04:59] I
[2:05:00] I feel that if anybody had any questions for him, for Tom. Mr. Mayor, may I remember the council once again, Mike Williams, plain staff of the record.
[2:05:10] I was going to stand up just as they opened up public testimony when I got picked up the sign-in sheet.
[2:05:18] I do want to bring to your attention that based on Eagle City Code 1-8-3, this is orders and rules of public hearing, and it has to do with written testimony.
[2:05:29] Standards for written testimony written testimony submitted for inclusion in the record of any public
[2:05:34] carrying shot could apply with the following standards. We're going to cover three of them really quick.
[2:05:39] Written testimony must be submitted to the C Clerk, no less than five working days prior to the day on which the public
[2:05:44] carrying is scheduled. The presiding officer, that would be the mayor.
[2:05:50] Shall require an oral acknowledgment of such written testimony having been submitted.
[2:05:57] This is your oral acknowledgment of these five envelopes that contain the same written testimony
[2:06:03] that were submitted yesterday.
[2:06:07] Based on that, if the written testimony fails to comply with the aforementioned standards,
[2:06:12] the presiding officer may declares such testimony in a miscible that's going to be a choice
[2:06:18] The deciding officer, 500 council direction, is whether or not you'd like to admit the testimony or leaving leave it in a missible.
[2:06:28] If you want to have it emitted, I have a copy for each one of you.
[2:06:36] And with that said, we heard is it the same information that we just heard in the oral testimony.
[2:06:42] Mr. Mayor, and members of the Council, it's a letter talking about the access and emergency
[2:06:49] access with a petition.
[2:06:51] I believe it had, I want to say, 316 signatures.
[2:06:57] Okay.
[2:06:57] Well, I will bring that, Mr. Mayor, Council members.
[2:07:05] I think he cited the co-chapter in verse and the May says that it's discretionary and so there's
[2:07:11] with a comment at that. Okay, thanks and I'm going to bring about the council for their consideration.
[2:07:16] They can either accept it or decline it. What's your privilege?
[2:07:22] Mr. Mayor, I think we should accept it. I mean,
[2:07:23] we've heard it. So, I was not. We should accept it.
[2:07:29] I know, I know, I know here by excited, but we have to
[2:07:33] we have to maintain, yeah, this is still formal meeting. So, clapping your head. You know, I guess,
[2:07:40] Yeah, please though because yeah, but anyhow we're gonna continue. Okay, Mr. Mayor. I I would agree
[2:07:46] I think we should accept it. They went to a lot of trouble to get
[2:07:50] this petition signed and all their concerns to us. So thank you Mike
[2:07:57] And does
[2:07:59] You guys concur as well. I take it. Okay
[2:08:02] Okay, yeah, you got it now
[2:08:04] Okay, we've moved through the formal part of that. So that's great
[2:08:09] I'm like you have any other comments on that before?
[2:08:11] No sir.
[2:08:12] Okay, thank you.
[2:08:13] All right, I'm going to get back to the list here.
[2:08:17] Jenny, Fender,
[2:08:20] Mielin, thank you.
[2:08:24] Let's see, Dan next thing.
[2:08:27] Jenny, Fender, Mielin, I'm at 1-8-2-9 South Lagoway.
[2:08:32] By the way, on those, some of those are some comments added to the letter.
[2:08:39] Everyone signed off on that letter, but they also added comments, not everybody, but some did.
[2:08:47] Some of the things I'm about to say are on the emotional side, I don't usually speak in public about things like this or whatever.
[2:08:57] But our biggest concern is we don't want to come another Maui.
[2:09:02] We do not want to have the one way in and one way out, and by the way, they're not speed bumps whatsoever.
[2:09:15] on Island Woods Drive and the last time you spoke, you hadn't been through Island Woods
[2:09:24] and you called it Island Woods's way or something like that.
[2:09:28] So I'd really appreciate if you drive through there before you speak on it.
[2:09:33] Well, make sure we, okay, sorry.
[2:09:36] Sorry, I don't know the rules.
[2:09:38] It's just, it's just interesting the amount of excitement over here.
[2:09:42] And so I'm a bit frustrated. We already pay $3,600 at Williamson River Ranch for
[2:09:54] for H.O.A. Fees, and that kind of comment is going to add to-
[2:10:00] If we have to maintain this road and pavements that Island Woods and Riversan decided to do. Actually, I think it ends at Riversan. So it's Island Woods thing. So other than that,
[2:10:14] we, I'm just going to read my notes. We feel that the addition will affect everyone and not just those residing on logo and repairion.
[2:10:23] they'll be, sorry, I've already said that,
[2:10:34] I was said that at a previous meeting that this
[2:10:38] was already taken in consideration in a comprehensive plan already, but no one considered
[2:10:45] Eagle Road. Eagle Road is a mess. And we can't even get out in an emergency, but now I have to
[2:10:56] sit through three cycles to get on to Eagle Road to go southbound. Northbound, no, sorry,
[2:11:03] northbound. Southbound, I have to edge my way in, pinch my way in, beg my way in. I made
[2:11:10] wrong turn the other day and how to do it.
[2:11:12] The same three things sat through three light cycles
[2:11:16] to get through onto Eagle Road.
[2:11:21] And the problem isn't just our island woods drive.
[2:11:24] It's being dumped out onto that road.
[2:11:27] And the right hand doesn't know what the left hand's doing.
[2:11:31] I feel like I don't know, but you guys
[2:11:34] say yes to everything.
[2:11:37] How about not now?
[2:11:38] How about not right now?
[2:11:40] Okay, well, I thank you for your comments.
[2:11:43] Okay, Dan, did you want to come up as well?
[2:11:55] Mr. Mayor, council members, good evening.
[2:11:58] Oh, Dan Vandermiel in 1829, South August.
[2:12:02] I'll go back to the hearing with the Planning and Zoning Commission on June 3rd.
[2:12:07] Many people spoke up on this issue as they will tonight.
[2:12:12] And at the end, one of the commission members commented on how everybody who spoke was so polite.
[2:12:18] and respectful. I would say that we're probably polite and respectful because every person that spoke
[2:12:23] was probably under the impression we were being listened to. But after hours of people coming
[2:12:28] up to the same microphone with 100% of those people speaking against it with valid reasons,
[2:12:33] valid questions, valid data, the commission passed it anyways on a three-to-one vote.
[2:12:38] That was the gentleman mentioned. The person that voted against it not only had the concerns that
[2:12:44] I think the gentleman Mike raised.
[2:12:47] But he also had, he also referenced four or five,
[2:12:50] I don't remember, the exact number requirements
[2:12:52] that hadn't been met or hadn't been satisfied.
[2:12:57] Yet they passed it anyways.
[2:12:59] It was apparent from this end, this side of the room,
[2:13:02] that the commission's minds were made up
[2:13:04] before the evening even began.
[2:13:06] After multiple testimonies about safety and traffic
[2:13:10] from other residents, even citing numbers and statistics,
[2:13:12] One of the members on the commission said, quote,
[2:13:17] When did this place become such a death trap?
[2:13:20] When did this place become such a death trap?
[2:13:23] And, apparently, mocking the concerns of everybody that spoke.
[2:13:27] When talking about safety and risks from fire and flooding and anything else,
[2:13:31] there seems to be that would never happen here kind of mentality.
[2:13:35] By urge you to do some research on disasters that hit subdivisions
[2:13:38] that were worse than they had to be,
[2:13:41] because there was only one way in and one way out.
[2:13:44] I'll give you an example that wasn't bad,
[2:13:46] was the Table Rock Fire here in Boise in 2016.
[2:13:49] Started by just some guy lighting fireworks,
[2:13:52] burned 2600 acres,
[2:13:54] and went right up against the Warm Springs Mesa subdivision
[2:13:56] that coincidentally had 400 homes.
[2:14:00] However, out of this 400 homes,
[2:14:01] it only damaged two of them.
[2:14:04] It's likely that only two were damaged
[2:14:06] because the developers had enough foresight
[2:14:08] to build four roads in and out of this subdivision.
[2:14:12] Four roads are 400 homes, not one.
[2:14:17] I respectfully request that the City Council members
[2:14:19] take these concerns seriously.
[2:14:23] Pause until you have questions and answers to the questions
[2:14:27] and executed solutions to these problems that we're bringing up
[2:14:31] and not make decisions based on the same Cavalaire manner
[2:14:35] as we experienced on June 3rd.
[2:14:37] Thank you.
[2:14:38] All right, thank you, yeah, okay. I'm going to struggle with this one. You're Barton.
[2:14:47] Sorry, I apologize, but you know who you are,
[2:14:55] but if you could correct me, that would be great.
[2:15:00] Give 1879 South Repairing and Way,
[2:15:07] just a little
[2:15:12] information about the papers on the existing
[2:15:17] road. I have been contacting ACHD which owns that road. And they sent me a contract that they had
[2:15:29] with island woods subdivision 10 years ago
[2:15:34] in which they allowed them to maintain the road
[2:15:38] and set in the contract.
[2:15:41] That ACID can cost it out the whole contract at any point
[2:15:49] unless island woods maintain it.
[2:15:54] They did not maintain it.
[2:15:55] is paper sunk about an inch and it's not just a speed bump.
[2:16:04] It's shaking your guts.
[2:16:09] So in other words, ACHD owns it.
[2:16:12] And what I would want is ACHD to take over and repave the whole world,
[2:16:19] including these papers.
[2:16:20] I don't need these papers.
[2:16:25] So back to the question of the new development.
[2:16:32] You traffic, I don't know who gave the traffic estimates,
[2:16:36] but they showed that the traffic is already going to be much higher
[2:16:45] than the limits that you claimed.
[2:16:51] That's as it is now, but in addition, when we have a new development, there would be much higher.
[2:17:00] But the elephant in the room is not the traffic five years from now, but the traffic dealing during the construction that will take minimum five years in my mind.
[2:17:12] and will include thousands of heavy duty tracks or whatever it is to construct that new development.
[2:17:25] I estimate in five years of torture in terms of traffic on island routes.
[2:17:32] And we have only one way island routes drive to handle all of this traffic during five years that will be nightmare
[2:17:42] in terms of the construction traffic and we'll improve afterwards to be only very bad.
[2:17:53] To avoid this new development, I believe that the new development needs an additional
[2:18:04] In the separate unrelated roadway for the people, not for truck, for fire trucks, for people.
[2:18:12] You did it your team for that.
[2:18:14] Yeah, just finish your thought for us and then you can just finish your thought.
[2:18:18] Your statement and then your time is up.
[2:18:20] So when to make sure you get your last sentence, and though, I don't want to cut you off.
[2:18:25] So go ahead and finish your thought.
[2:18:27] Yes, but don't give me your out of time, but I'll give you a chance to finish your thought.
[2:18:32] I'm just going to give you a chance to finish your thought because your times up though.
[2:18:37] Okay.
[2:18:37] Go ahead.
[2:18:37] Go ahead.
[2:18:39] One more sentence.
[2:18:40] One more sentence.
[2:18:44] I believe that improving this new development without creating a road additional road independent of
[2:18:57] would. Would be close to Kremlin. That's what I believe. Because things will happen.
[2:19:06] Yeah. All right. Thank you. That's I'll give you that last time.
[2:19:09] Thank you for that. Okay. Thanks a lot. All right. The share you gave your three minutes.
[2:19:14] So when we've on the hand and Cheryl, you come up one at a time or together,
[2:19:25] or yes, you did.
[2:19:26] I'm looking on the wrong line. Well, at least you got your name, right?
[2:19:29] All right, Beth,
[2:19:35] land is, yes, there you are.
[2:19:38] No rush, you don't start to, but it comes on.
[2:19:46] Good evening, Mayor and City Council.
[2:19:48] Beth, land is from 1540 East Rivers and Court in Eagle, Idaho.
[2:19:55] I've lived in Rivers and for 19 years.
[2:19:57] I grew up by a dairy farm, Nailanoi.
[2:20:00] I understand what a rancher or farmer wants to sell land. I think the ranchers should have the choice to do that.
[2:20:08] We know there's been a lot of discussion about entrance and exits off the island.
[2:20:13] If there's some critical event, we are aware of the traffic problems, not only on island woods, but on eagle island.
[2:20:20] Those are issues with aid accounting, highway department, and nothing that city council can solve tonight.
[2:20:26] We also know that 80 county highway department takes a while with their long-term planning.
[2:20:33] For those of us who lived here a while, we know how long it took to change chindon from four lanes to two lanes.
[2:20:40] And that's a heavy road with thousands of traffic.
[2:20:43] So for them to add our road and an egress might take a little while.
[2:20:48] In the meantime to make an emergency exit, I'm sure they still have standards that they must adhere to.
[2:20:54] And so again, that would also take time.
[2:20:58] If I thought it was a severe risk problem,
[2:21:01] I could choose to move.
[2:21:03] I'm taking my risk, taking my chance to stay put.
[2:21:06] In the meantime, I don't think that we should stop the land owners
[2:21:10] while we wait for a county to take action.
[2:21:14] All right, thank you.
[2:21:16] All right, Jack, a slain?
[2:21:26] Good evening.
[2:21:28] My name is Jack Swayne.
[2:21:29] And I also live at 1540 East Riverside Court as the prior speaker stated, I've received
[2:21:37] this.
[2:21:38] Our location, our location is contiguous with the access lane that Toby and Linda Williams
[2:21:44] had used every day.
[2:21:45] So we're neighbors, we're our properties, but together.
[2:21:49] We moved here almost 20 years ago, 19 years ago.
[2:21:53] And I want to tell you about our experience.
[2:21:54] Our experience has been that Toby and Linda have been conscientious and just terrific neighbors
[2:22:02] and not everybody always agrees on everything, but they're conscientious people.
[2:22:06] And that is shown not only in their actions in the neighborhood, but in other parts of
[2:22:12] the county where they participate in lots of other events.
[2:22:17] Our expectations when we moved here are hopes, I'll say, the ranch would stay the way it is forever
[2:22:24] we could look out and see it for our own self interest. However, we also knew that they could
[2:22:29] develop their property at some point in the future subject to the appropriate regulations and
[2:22:35] reviews, and that's what we're going through now. In terms of, so that's our experience, our
[2:22:42] expectations, in terms of looking to the future, we support their right to develop their property
[2:22:49] subject to, you know, the appropriate reviews. Thank you.
[2:22:52] Thank you.
[2:22:53] Thank you very much.
[2:22:55] All right, Toby?
[2:23:08] I'm Linda Williams, and this is my husband, Toby, and we're the ranch owners.
[2:23:13] Would you like to both speak just so I know, or are you just coming up with one?
[2:23:16] I might go over just a little bit over three minutes, but I'll use his.
[2:23:19] That's what I mean, yeah, it's all I'm getting at. So just so we know I had a time.
[2:23:22] Yeah, he knows. I can write his name in the weekend.
[2:23:24] I don't want to cut you off, and if you could stay in the flow.
[2:23:26] Look at that ranch has been there since 1965.
[2:23:31] They moved from Oregon and purchased it then.
[2:23:33] It was over 400 acres of river pasture land,
[2:23:36] which they supported a horse and caliperation.
[2:23:39] Eagle was a rural ranching farming community
[2:23:43] with the population less than 400.
[2:23:45] I don't think it was even incorporated at that time.
[2:23:48] At that time, and for years after,
[2:23:50] there was one mom and pop grocery store.
[2:23:53] Orville Jackson was still the drugist, and he resided in the beautiful rock house that was next to the Baptist Church, where we got married
[2:24:01] 42 years ago that age is this it's now Rembrandt's
[2:24:05] The flower meal was next door to Rembrandt's to the church
[2:24:10] The Eagle Girl was a local favorite where school kids like this one walked for lunch and could get a brown paper bag filled with greasy fries and hot dog for 50 cents
[2:24:19] The nut feed was a local get together where all of us, we, you probably remember if you've been here long enough.
[2:24:27] And gathered it, there was a vacant field where the youth ranch is now, and that's where that was.
[2:24:32] Our vitter and air and duckling, beautiful, brought cows, stood where Albertsons now is.
[2:24:38] Those were the high end homes of the time.
[2:24:40] We drove our cows across the river to graze in the cornfield where St. Alfonso sits now before the connector was there.
[2:24:49] We also grazed our broodmars and the fields south where Craven, the real seat theater sits.
[2:24:55] That property was owned by our friends, the elicis, who operated a cattle processing.
[2:25:00] The future facility where the two rivers day spa is. Our kids caught the bus on Eagle Road. It was two lanes, traffic halted on Eagle Road, imagine that in both directions.
[2:25:12] And a flashing red light was at Tinden. There was an even stop light there. It was just flashing. And what am I saying? I'm saying that we have seen our small beloved community, roll and change. All of that without our permission.
[2:25:28] We moved to this little community, but we embrace it.
[2:25:31] We love the new changes.
[2:25:34] We like to go out and eat, but at times it seems pretty unfamiliar.
[2:25:39] We just don't know where to go from now.
[2:25:42] And we've witnessed the changes inevitable,
[2:25:45] and it's uncomfortable for a lot.
[2:25:47] One thing is fact that Eagle City Council
[2:25:50] has worked really hard to make Eagle the most sought-after
[2:25:54] community in the Treasure Valley.
[2:25:56] And I want to thank you all, you know, it can't be hard for you to set up, I mean it can be easy for you to set up there and listen to controversies and varying opinions.
[2:26:06] When often the testimonies that are presented are somewhat self-serving, they don't want it in their backyard.
[2:26:14] I don't understand if they thought that was so scary to live there and that they would move there in the first place.
[2:26:20] That should have been researched and understood at that time.
[2:26:24] So, to try to sway the leadership in a favorable birth direction, scary scenarios are presented, like Maui, really, we live in an eagle island, there's water all around, but not seeing it couldn't happen, but most of them are not valid, much like in this case.
[2:26:46] It's probably the last available property on the river in Eagle.
[2:26:51] And if it's approved, there's going to be such great access to areas of stunning natural trails.
[2:26:58] The blackberries are this big this year.
[2:27:00] They're back there and they're all over.
[2:27:01] You can pick them while life and easy river access.
[2:27:06] We cut a trout down there in my grandsons.
[2:27:08] We're here from Arizona, a great big fat trout.
[2:27:10] That would be an access for everyone, not just us.
[2:27:13] It's not a scary unsafe place, not at all.
[2:27:17] Those roads that access road, we've come down there with dump trucks and it's a big access
[2:27:22] road.
[2:27:23] It's been a really hard decision for Toby and I, but we're ready to share this beautiful
[2:27:28] property with others and see what a humble retirement might be where we can lend a nut borrow.
[2:27:36] Physical limitations have changed our ability to train the young horses and Dr. cattle
[2:27:41] and all that goes into up keeping a working ranch.
[2:27:44] We've worked long and hard, and as they say,
[2:27:47] it's not the years, it's smiles, so it's time.
[2:27:51] All of our children are professionals,
[2:27:53] and they won't be returning to take over the ranch.
[2:27:56] We have nine grandchildren.
[2:27:57] We like to help educate.
[2:27:59] We're confident that our team has covered all the requirements
[2:28:04] necessary for this project to be approved.
[2:28:07] Studies required are completed.
[2:28:09] And we respectfully ask that you consider what benefit this will have to the Eagle community,
[2:28:17] and that you will allow it to move forward tonight.
[2:28:21] We appreciate you.
[2:28:22] Thank you.
[2:28:27] Rene.
[2:28:42] Good council.
[2:28:43] Good evening.
[2:28:44] Hi, Mary May.
[2:28:44] I met you the other day via telephone.
[2:28:46] So it's good to see you in person.
[2:28:48] Nice to meet you, too.
[2:28:49] I'm a resident of Island Woods and newly resident, but I've resided originally from California.
[2:28:54] I came out to Eagle because I'm an equestrian. I'm a master falconer.
[2:28:58] You're at just right now.
[2:28:59] 1700 River Chaseway.
[2:29:01] Perfect thing. Thank you, sir.
[2:29:03] So I'm an equestrian, a master falconer, and I enjoy the outdoors.
[2:29:07] And it's kind of shocking to have the opposing parties say to us
[2:29:10] we're self-serving controversial.
[2:29:14] I know progress has two names.
[2:29:16] It's progress that's done, and it's progress that's done right.
[2:29:20] First of all, I'm not opposed to progress,
[2:29:22] but I'm opposed to the subdivision that they're proposing because hearing their sales pitch,
[2:29:28] there was a lot of kinks in their armor. A lot of their words were, well, we're making headway.
[2:29:33] Minimal. Things that weren't concrete and solid. I don't see studies that are being presented.
[2:29:39] I talk to Fish and Game, Ryan, who's a biologist, over there. There's a deciduous trees back there
[2:29:43] that eagles, raptors, and under the migratory bird, federal bird, they are protected.
[2:29:49] I don't see anybody saying that there was studies presented a corny fishing game nothing was done on that proposed development
[2:29:55] I also see here that the health safety and tranquility of our neighbors being Jeopardy!
[2:30:00] I don't see them talking about the grading and when they do the grading, are we going to receive fallout from dirt on to our community? Is it going to be a health factor?
[2:30:09] I have saw two geese families taken out on either one's drive from a driver, not witnessing the actual taking out of the geese, but I came out saw two adults and eight babies dead in the gutter on two separate sides.
[2:30:21] These were from people accessing Eagle Roads.
[2:30:23] It shouldn't be in our subdivision number one.
[2:30:26] And it's at proposed subdivisions,
[2:30:27] like only going to add trouble to that.
[2:30:29] We have trash.
[2:30:30] We have people taking gut-hooking bass
[2:30:33] and throwing them in our pawns.
[2:30:34] It shouldn't be back there.
[2:30:36] So, again, I'm not opposed to the development,
[2:30:38] if it's done correctly.
[2:30:40] So, I'm opposed to the annexation.
[2:30:42] You have right now,
[2:30:44] Island Woods has 250 homes.
[2:30:47] Rivers End has 100 plus, I don't know exactly how many,
[2:30:50] you've got Williamson Ranch and now they're proposing to piggyback off one thoroughfair.
[2:30:55] It's insane. I think like the consensus of the community here is that they have a
[2:31:01] road in and out. It's not too much to ask. And yet it was very insulting for the gentleman to
[2:31:05] tell us to handle our own papers. I want to know what the residents of our three subdivisions.
[2:31:10] What are we going to get out of this deal? It seems like they're really pitching that and they
[2:31:20] have really have they considered this community where we're an afterthought. I don't think anybody
[2:31:25] in here wants to be an afterthought. I think we want to work with the City Council. I talked to you
[2:31:29] Mary about going forward. I don't feel we need to have a tug of war. I think maybe the development
[2:31:34] if it's done right can go in. But again, we, as a community, multiple communities need to be considered.
[2:31:40] And I think if the city doesn't want to open itself up to litigation and action,
[2:31:45] class action lawsuits from the residents because it's an accident waiting to happen. If the
[2:31:49] These were taken out a child or children are going to be next.
[2:31:53] So that roadway, I'm a corner house and I see people speed there all times the night.
[2:31:58] I think the A to County Sheriff may be going to help us out in stepping up motorcycle
[2:32:03] cops in the community to prevent the speeding because speed bumps and stop signs are not
[2:32:08] going to work.
[2:32:09] All right.
[2:32:10] Thank you for your time.
[2:32:10] Thank you.
[2:32:12] All right.
[2:32:13] Brent.
[2:32:24] No, I said Brent.
[2:32:26] Sorry.
[2:32:27] I will say Lorraine in a minute, yep, it's Brent.
[2:32:31] Let's look at for you.
[2:32:33] I'm looking for you.
[2:32:36] Mr. Mayor and members of the Council, my name is Brent Brockson, and I am here representing
[2:32:41] Rivers and End.
[2:32:43] I did meet the timetable this time and your address from where it gets you these documents
[2:32:48] on July, the Frickie, give me your address for a quick deal for the record.
[2:32:52] Yes, my address is 1142 East Riversong.
[2:32:56] I've been a resident there since 2009 so I'd like to start by just mentioning a couple of things in my report and I'm assuming that you have read the concern that we have and it was signed by the entire board with respect to the egress, the issue of whether or not there's adequate the easement would be adequate.
[2:33:19] The original easement which you've seen, it was an irrigation easement, the second easement in 2007 was granted as a bootstrapped in as an emergency easement and the fire department is now recommending permanent easement.
[2:33:39] But as you noted in my document, I have a lot of questions and we have questions about about the adequacy of that easement just by recording the existing easement
[2:33:49] is not really going to do it, because it has to meet the current fire codes.
[2:33:54] You'll see what the requirements are in our documents that we sent you.
[2:33:59] I'm reluctant to say anything because we have a fire expert there.
[2:34:02] I'm going to talk about roads in a minute, and that also makes me gulp a little bit,
[2:34:06] because we have an expert from ACHD there.
[2:34:09] But nonetheless, the road requirements have to be met for a fire apparatus,
[2:34:14] and is it going to the low requirements going to be for a 79,000 pound truck or is it going
[2:34:20] to be for a bumper truck or just a fire apparatus and by definition is that you know a boy scout
[2:34:27] with a backpack and a Honda 90 I mean what is the access going to be going over to that bridge the
[2:34:34] bridge then has to be met and fire code requires it has to be met according to their standards as
[2:34:41] So, I'll move on, you have that document, so it's quite concerning to 114 residents in our neighborhood.
[2:34:49] With regard to the traffic, you've seen the traffic studies, there's experts,
[2:34:54] and we're talking to one of them right now, which makes me nervous.
[2:34:57] But on the applicant's actual...
[2:35:00] Page 4 of their study of August, 2023, that notes that the only public access is east on east of River
[2:35:08] Chase. Traffic counts exceed the 1,000 traffic on a local street, the violation of their 80
[2:35:16] county, ACHG's policy. It's in the document. Full buildout at Willden's will bring 2766 additional vehicles,
[2:35:27] which exceeds the ACC's planning threshold.
[2:35:31] In addition, additional improvements, according this is all on that document,
[2:35:36] this is error language.
[2:35:37] Additional improvements may be needed to mitigate development impact
[2:35:41] on item withdrawal and riverchase.
[2:35:44] What does that actually mean?
[2:35:47] This is a violation of ACHD's requirement that will not place
[2:35:53] unduperten on existing traffic systems.
[2:35:56] Well, excuse me, but it definitely will.
[2:36:00] It will be in violation.
[2:36:01] Let me take a talk.
[2:36:02] Thank you, Mayor.
[2:36:03] Is there somebody that wants to relinquish their time
[2:36:05] that did not get to speak, not yet, for us.
[2:36:07] Just use speaking.
[2:36:09] Randy, was it you and the back?
[2:36:10] Who did I call on and he said, no, will you relinquish your time
[2:36:15] to this gentleman?
[2:36:17] OK, thank you.
[2:36:18] You can continue.
[2:36:21] Well, thank you, and I'm just about done.
[2:36:22] in any way.
[2:36:23] That's all right.
[2:36:24] But we'll do it anywhere.
[2:36:25] We'll do it the right way.
[2:36:27] Thank you very much.
[2:36:30] Well, Mr. Mayor, our association, our board, 114 homes, went on record in opposition.
[2:36:38] For the safety factors, we have met in the past with EMS, with fire at the fire department,
[2:36:46] with the police and we're having a meeting, associations are having a meeting with all of the
[2:36:53] with the police, with the fire, all this, but unfortunately that's in like two months from now.
[2:36:58] And so we're all worried about safety and access. This whole egress business is really concerning
[2:37:06] because we're all old. I'm old. You know, you can tell I'm a little nervous being up here. I'm old.
[2:37:13] how are we going to get out if I didn't what is blocked? It was blocked once before when we had the
[2:37:20] floods. I didn't what is blocked then. How if one of us had a heart attack had medical issues,
[2:37:26] had anything else? How could we get out? We couldn't get out when they had the fire in a small subdivision
[2:37:34] by between rivers end and island wood,
[2:37:41] when that fire took place,
[2:37:43] if there had been a flood on island wood,
[2:37:44] you could have never got a ladder truck in
[2:37:46] or a pump or truck, it would have been impossible.
[2:37:49] And yes, you could push around it and all of that.
[2:37:52] But we need another egress.
[2:37:54] And you can see in my letter,
[2:37:56] and you well know the political dynamics that took place
[2:38:00] when the road that was taken out of the plan
[2:38:03] five-year-in-10-year plan of ACHD for the three bridges, I get that. I mean, I did work for the governor
[2:38:10] then. I sort of know how that all took place and that's all fine. Except it's not fine. When we bought
[2:38:17] in our subdivision, it was predicated upon that exit. That's, it says that in our documents. So I knew
[2:38:23] when I bought my place that we were going to have to have another road. So I beg you to disapprove this
[2:38:30] And tell there was a public road or a way for us as residents to get out in the event on emergency.
[2:38:38] Thank you.
[2:38:38] Thank you.
[2:38:40] All right.
[2:38:40] That's the end of the people that signed up.
[2:38:43] Now, if you've changed your mind, or you want to come back up, go ahead and come back up
[2:38:46] and see your name and address for the record.
[2:38:49] But give testimony.
[2:38:50] Now, you get to say the three minutes.
[2:38:53] But if it's something you feel like somebody's already said it,
[2:38:57] that's up to you if you want to continue that same thought or not.
[2:39:00] but feel free to come up.
[2:39:02] The rain that stood up.
[2:39:04] Yeah, Lord, I think the steam let the rain go first, right?
[2:39:08] Yeah, let her go, then you know that you'd call there.
[2:39:12] So see, I told you I'd call you back, but that is.
[2:39:15] It's Lorraine Henry 1663 River Grove Way and Eagle.
[2:39:19] Good evening to the mayor and to the council.
[2:39:22] The Allen was born of the board of directors recently
[2:39:25] circulated a petition and you received a copy of that.
[2:39:28] Thank you very much.
[2:39:29] which was presented to each of you along with signature pages.
[2:39:34] Currently, there are 351 residents that have signed that petition.
[2:39:39] We depend on this council and our mayor to be our gatekeepers,
[2:39:44] to find solutions that address the well-being of our communities
[2:39:49] and that promote a reasonable level of growth and expansion.
[2:39:53] We understand that.
[2:39:55] In the case of the proposed wilderness subdivision, our concern is...
[2:40:00] The safety of our residents. As we would face a tremendous increase in traffic, you see the numbers. Our residents
[2:40:09] have already been subjected to unsafe traffic conditions on the island would drive. In addition to
[2:40:17] being concerned about timely access for emergency services, we have had several near misses due to traffic
[2:40:24] conditions on this road.
[2:40:26] One child, while attempting to cross the street
[2:40:30] and another with a pedestrian who came
[2:40:33] within a few inches of being hit by a speeder,
[2:40:36] who lost control of his vehicle,
[2:40:39] went up the bank on the sidewalk
[2:40:40] and came within inches of that pedestrian.
[2:40:44] We have, and those are just a few examples.
[2:40:47] Incidents like these, plus, as Renee mentioned,
[2:40:50] the purposeful slaughtering of the current count,
[2:40:54] 17 of our geese and ducks, in the last few months,
[2:40:58] stand as a stark reminder to us of how dangerous our roads are.
[2:41:04] We request that you not move forward with a project
[2:41:09] that further exasperates our already dangerous situation,
[2:41:14] without holding the developer accountable to mitigating traffic on Island Woods.
[2:41:22] We understand that while there's a balance to be struck between encouraging growth and expansion,
[2:41:30] while providing the wealth for the well-being and safety of our constituents, we've got to do both.
[2:41:35] However, island boards and certainly eagle road stand as stark reminders of the consequences of allowing inadequate infrastructure to wreak havoc on our roads.
[2:41:47] Therefore, we respectfully request that you impose an ACHD road trust.
[2:41:57] As a requirement for approval of this project, this would provide much needed funds to facilitate the traffic calming
[2:42:05] measures that are so badly needed on island wood strife. Ideally, we would prefer a new
[2:42:12] ingress egress, but an immediate solution, according to ACHD, is a road trust. The
[2:42:19] develop would put funds into that trust and we'd be able to mitigate the traffic. Thank you
[2:42:24] very much. Have a good evening. All right. Let's leave you and come up now and then we'll
[2:42:40] make
[2:42:40] Steve Glasgow, 642 River Chase Way, and either would subdivision of live there about 20 years
[2:42:48] and we are just not the traffic and everything else is going on. I can appreciate everything
[2:42:54] every set here and it's true and they put it so eloquently. But at the same time, getting the past
[2:43:03] councils and whatever else who have not taken the secondary access and push it through doesn't
[2:43:09] solve the problem, just sitting there saying, which I heard during the
[2:43:14] commission's meeting, is well, it's already been done. So what do we
[2:43:17] do? And we just let it pass. That's not your job. You guys are the
[2:43:22] decision makers. And this should have been solved a long time ago,
[2:43:26] putting that secondary access through, that like said earlier,
[2:43:30] citizens need to get out the back way. We just don't come. I mean, if there is
[2:43:34] when you plan for the worst things, you say, okay, there's an accident or
[2:43:38] a world, equals packed. You can't get out if there's a vaccine on a trail side and I'm a
[2:43:43] wood strived. Nobody can get to the back. The fire part we can't get there, paramedics,
[2:43:48] and people can't get out. So I just think this is a safety issue. I don't disapprove.
[2:43:54] I mean, you know, development, land development, real estate. I don't disapprove the subdivision.
[2:43:59] I don't disapprove what they're doing. But I've had to compromise and work with issues and solve
[2:44:06] other things, problems with health and safety, and I think that's what we need to do.
[2:44:11] We need to look at that because if we don't, then we're just setting up the long term
[2:44:15] 20 years now.
[2:44:16] You're just passing the buck, everybody else, which is what has happened now, and we've
[2:44:23] always seen it coming, and it's just gotten worse, and it's developing and got faster and
[2:44:28] better with what's going on in the traffic issues and everything else is the same.
[2:44:31] So I respectfully say I appreciate the Williamson and what they're doing and don't just prove what they're trying to do but at the same time
[2:44:42] That's not the council's job is to make them happy.
[2:44:45] It's our job is to make the citizens of this eagle safe.
[2:44:50] And I think that's the top priority.
[2:44:53] And I say that we're just opposed to this time.
[2:44:58] I think if you can solve the hack.
[2:45:00] We have access to the east and get us out of there. And I'm for it. I like it. I think, you know, he goes a great place. It's just, you know, right now, we need to solve some issues. So, appreciate you guys and, as I say.
[2:45:17] Mr.
[2:45:32] Mayor, Council, I'm David Shepherd 1639, South Lake Morway Eagle.
[2:45:40] I'll repeat one thing he said is I'm very much in favor of the Wilderness, moving ahead
[2:45:47] However, I'm against moving forward without taking that alternate exit and potentially entrance
[2:46:01] into the area.
[2:46:03] I applaud the city's work with two other neighborhoods,
[2:46:12] Lakemore, Colchester Road and
[2:46:18] over a bambory, which is also one of the older neighborhoods, both of them have found it within
[2:46:26] their planning to make sure that they had alternate exits for their people, not only in cases
[2:46:33] of an emergency, whether it's by design or not, they are using both locus grove out of bambory
[2:46:40] up through Chipper around giving them access to 2026, or as we call it, Chindon, and also
[2:46:50] Colchester back through the addition to Lakemore has that through a gated community as I
[2:46:57] understand all the residents in that area also have the gate pass to get through, whether
[2:47:03] it was just to get to the swimming pool or emergency access out, I commute on my bicycle
[2:47:09] up through that pathway through the park there and I see people that live elsewhere and
[2:47:17] late more go out to Chindon. So they've relieved that pressure in both neighborhoods. Matter
[2:47:24] of fact, I've seen people going up through Bambary to get up to Chindon when Eagles backed
[2:47:30] up. So I applaud the city for working with the developers and making that happen. I think
[2:47:37] We could probably do the same thing or similar in this and it would make everybody a lot happier
[2:47:44] and the ACHD a lot happier because that would be a lot less wear and tear on the small
[2:47:51] road that's been talked about for the last hour.
[2:47:55] So I don't have any more time to yield, so that's all I had.
[2:47:59] Well, thank you, dude.
[2:48:00] Thank you.
[2:48:02] All right, just been
[2:48:13] good evening.
[2:48:14] I'm Kimberly Taram at 1744 South Isla Delrio Way and I know we've heard a lot about safety and I
[2:48:22] just wanted to make a quick point is that those of us with children on school buses that
[2:48:29] Island Woods is where all those kids line up to go to on the bus and the buses are often
[2:48:34] late and we struggle with getting our kids to school on time as it is already and I believe
[2:48:40] give if I understand correctly that traffic study was done when school was not in session.
[2:48:45] So I imagine that that also has an impact on traffic, but my concern is the heavy equipment
[2:48:52] going up and down that road, not only for the safety of all the children that are standing
[2:48:56] on the side of the road, but just to be able to get to school on time when the buses are
[2:49:00] late and if they're stuck behind these construction equipment.
[2:49:04] So I have personal concerns with that and I know other parents do as well.
[2:49:08] Thank you for your time.
[2:49:09] Thank you for coming. Right? Who else, I guess me?
[2:49:23] Hi, my name is Diana Sloan,
[2:49:25] one nine five East Trail side.
[2:49:30] Drive, I don't know it's.
[2:49:34] I'm just going to read a few excerpts from the letter
[2:49:36] that I had sent the mayor a previous week, not this week.
[2:49:42] And it does address a certain issue
[2:49:44] that people haven't mentioned,
[2:49:46] so it's something new to think about.
[2:49:50] We know growth is going to happen, and that is not the issue.
[2:49:54] The issue is how the growth is being managed.
[2:49:57] And that's where most definitely the...
[2:50:00] Legal planning and zoning department are failing. I don't think it's without reason that when a developer
[2:50:05] wants approval to build in an area that community concessions are expected. It shouldn't
[2:50:13] just be about the developer's profits versus eagles growth. It should be what benefits will
[2:50:19] our community gain along with the developer's bottom line. Which brings me to the question.
[2:50:27] And this might be my ignorance.
[2:50:29] Why can't the developer be held responsible for costs of another entrance or contribute a fair amount of costs to the city?
[2:50:38] What's the real reason and alternative exit isn't being considered?
[2:50:43] If approve the developer will pocket their profits and they will be leaving the community to deal with safety concerns,
[2:50:51] as well as traffic issues while at the same time contributing to already congested Eagle Road,
[2:50:58] which is a main thoroughfare in Idaho.
[2:51:03] That's why it is important that the City Council and Planning and Zoning Department listen
[2:51:08] to what the homeowners are saying.
[2:51:11] Growth shouldn't be about packing and houses and apartments.
[2:51:15] Growth should be about what makes Eagle a great place to live and making sure that while
[2:51:20] Our city is growing, what we love about our city is growing too.
[2:51:25] Mr. Mayor, I'm not against the expansion of the island woods, rivers in William's
[2:51:31] ranch community, but I am against this proposal as it is written.
[2:51:35] When I spoke to the fire marshal regarding the fire fuel along the river that runs parallel
[2:51:41] behind all these neighborhoods and he replied and I quote, the likelihood of a fire along
[2:51:47] that area is very low. I wasn't reassured. I personally have evacuated from a small town
[2:51:56] surrounded by fire where the town was left with one exit. And I believe the fire department
[2:52:04] possibly City Council and planning and zoning department are not considering that while the
[2:52:09] fire trucks will get into this neighborhood. Over a thousand people in cars keeping in my most
[2:52:14] people will probably be exiting with two cars for family.
[2:52:20] We'll have to deal with the vacuuming out one exit onto a very busy
[2:52:24] eagle road, while dealing with panicking drivers exiting out that same exit.
[2:52:34] Anybody want to check out my only one?
[2:52:35] I have one more paragraph.
[2:52:36] Just finish up real quick.
[2:52:39] On the other hand, and alternative exit would not only benefit
[2:52:44] equal by redirecting some of the traffic from Eagle Road, it would also benefit Eagle
[2:52:49] citizens in the event of an emergency. Let's be honest, it's not about evacuating a fire
[2:52:54] or even flooding happens. It's about wind, because even the fire marshal could not say it would never
[2:53:02] happen. Thank you for your consideration. Thank you for your comments. Okay, yes, sir.
[2:53:09] on
[2:53:16] a rural council, Mr. Mayor, Chuck Lano, 1763, South Lago, and Williamson River Ranch.
[2:53:25] As you heard, our first person testifying tonight wrote into the record, the petition letter,
[2:53:34] Williamson River Ranch was going to present to this body tonight.
[2:53:38] If procedures allow, I'd like to actually give you all a copy of these letters.
[2:53:46] I think we have that image of that as for legal advice on this one.
[2:53:51] We've already received a packet.
[2:53:54] He's wanting to submit something additional, but we're past that correct.
[2:53:59] That is correct.
[2:54:00] It's redundant in the rules.
[2:54:03] We believe that one that's from another H.O.A.
[2:54:06] will answer the number of a ranch.
[2:54:08] Never the less the rules, Mr. Mayor, Council members.
[2:54:12] The rules do apply and you would have to go through the same formal process, put them
[2:54:17] into the record that way.
[2:54:20] You would have to, if I get this right, you'd have to read it into the record, you'd have
[2:54:24] to ask for somebody to help relinquish their three minutes so you can get the whole six minutes
[2:54:29] to read the letter was read into the record by our first presenter.
[2:54:33] Yeah, then you're fine with that.
[2:54:35] Yeah, so it's just the.
[2:54:36] Yeah, we don't. It's on record, so we have it.
[2:54:39] Okay. We have it.
[2:54:40] Okay.
[2:54:40] That's what our clerk would be translating.
[2:54:43] So we just want to sign from that.
[2:54:47] As long as the, you know, it's discretionary as far as, I mean, it was read in the record.
[2:54:51] So I would say go ahead and submit it to the clerk.
[2:54:53] Rainbow will disseminate it later for.
[2:54:57] Excellent.
[2:54:57] Okay.
[2:55:01] Okay. Thank you. And just to reiterate, we have really no problem with the willings and struggles with the sustaining of the ranch or their efforts to move forward.
[2:55:13] We just asked that it breaks, be tapped a little bit on the development until a hard and fast easements are secured for potential secondary.
[2:55:26] Thank you.
[2:55:27] All right, thank you.
[2:55:28] All right, thank you, Chuck.
[2:55:31] All right.
[2:55:32] Yes,
[2:55:35] back rows, the hands are kind of shorts.
[2:55:39] I'll try to sit up higher.
[2:55:49] Hi there.
[2:55:51] Joanne Sarich, 1242 South Gosslingway.
[2:55:55] I like that there's a fellow mom that came up here,
[2:55:58] because I echo a lot of the sentiments that she spoke of.
[2:56:01] One of the things being is,
[2:56:03] where are these kids going to go to school?
[2:56:05] So, the annexation of Adam or, and yes, I do know that there's a school there now, but we also know that
[2:56:12] Dry Creek Ranch was supposed to have a school, and they do not. They haven't even broke ground yet.
[2:56:18] So, all those kids are funneling into our public school system. Not to mention, my kids go to a public school in our town,
[2:56:27] our neighborhood and the school bus that runs in Williamson and it rivers and islands woods takes
[2:56:39] over an hour to get our kindergartens to our house. Our first graders to our home, second, third,
[2:56:46] fourth and fifth. I don't understand how that takes so long. I think a lot of paths to do what there's
[2:56:53] kids in the neighborhood that go out to different areas, different schools, with 108 new homes coming
[2:57:00] into Williamson. These are all things that we need to think about, is our children. Where
[2:57:06] are they going to go to school, and how much longer is it going to take them to get home? There's
[2:57:10] a group of moms in Williamson and Rivers Ended in Eagle. I mean, and in Island Woods, we actually
[2:57:16] got together. And we actually entertain the idea of paying a shuttle to pick our kids up to
[2:57:23] from just so we can get them at our house at a decent hour from a school that is 1.6 miles away.
[2:57:31] This should not be happening. And I just want to be clear. I'm out of, you want to sell off your land.
[2:57:37] It's yours. This is United States of America. It's a beautiful thing. Have at it.
[2:57:41] But these types of things need to be considered. And you have to do diligence to be neighborly about it.
[2:57:46] And think of your neighbors while doing so. And these are all the things you need to consider.
[2:57:50] And with this current situation in place, I think we're definitely putting the cart before the horse,
[2:57:56] before we add more homes into the mix.
[2:57:59] Thank you.
[2:58:00] All right.
[2:58:00] Thank you for coming.
[2:58:04] All right.
[2:58:04] Anybody else?
[2:58:05] Yes, sir.
[2:58:13] I'm June Williams and I'm 46.
[2:58:15] These are representants.
[2:58:16] Sorry.
[2:58:16] I didn't hear your first name.
[2:58:18] Gene Williams.
[2:58:21] Thank you to Mayor Pike and City Council for hearing us out this evening.
[2:58:25] My wife and I live in Riverside subdivision, and we're adjacent to Island Wood Strive, and we're directly impacted by the traffic that goes down Island Wood Strive.
[2:58:38] One of the key things I'm worried about is the traffic analysis impact that was dated 824 or 2023.
[2:58:46] I want to would strive, I want to carry 1683 vehicles per day, which exceeds the standard for
[2:58:53] local street, assuming this test was done in the summer, which we did not get confirmed
[2:58:59] when we were at the planning solution, but we were assuming it was basically in the day.
[2:59:04] There was no school bus activity during that time, I had also did not account for the traffic
[2:59:12] That has been added due to the development of Williamson Ranch between that time and the current time.
[2:59:20] It also doesn't take into account the construction traffic that we would have in building the subdivision while it's going on.
[2:59:29] So one of the things we'd like to see, or I'd like to see, is doing a new traffic study that takes us into account.
[2:59:37] you see what the traffic is during a school year and not just a lower rate during the summer.
[2:59:44] In addition to that, I think we need to understand how much time it takes and this has been brought
[2:59:51] up several times before getting out on Eagle Road and emergency traffic during peak times.
[2:59:57] That should be a part of the traffic study. So we need to...
[3:00:00] One of the definitively how much impact we're having and what that takes. We're all kind of guessing right now.
[3:00:07] We really should have a study that says, during peat times, this is what the response time is for emergency services.
[3:00:15] The second thing is the soon brought up quite a bit as the access road for emergency services.
[3:00:26] And concern I have is the bridge specifically needs to be maintained in accordance to
[3:00:35] S-H-T-O-H-B-17 per Idaho Fire Code, that's not been addressed.
[3:00:41] We asked the Planning Commission a letter on this, and that was not addressed in the Planning
[3:00:48] Commission.
[3:00:50] Also, a signage on the bridge is at up to code, a single line stirring gravel who's going to
[3:01:00] maintain that, how's that going to be maintained, who's going to maintain the bridge,
[3:01:04] who's going to certify the bridge.
[3:01:06] Now, often as it's going to be certified,
[3:01:09] you have to, as a private road,
[3:01:12] you don't have any of that in place.
[3:01:14] Is there going to be a bond for maintaining that bridge?
[3:01:18] Who's going to pay for all of that?
[3:01:21] That'll ensure the road's not blocked
[3:01:24] because it's a private road.
[3:01:27] So I have a few other things, but that's the key things
[3:01:30] that I wanted to bring up.
[3:01:32] All right, well, I appreciate you for your time.
[3:01:33] Yeah, thank you.
[3:01:35] All right.
[3:01:36] I think we're going to take a break.
[3:01:37] We've been here for three hours already.
[3:01:39] So we're going to take a 10 minute break.
[3:01:41] So you can use the restroom or you're going to drink a water
[3:01:43] or whatever.
[3:01:44] And we'll be back at about hopefully 20 tell us that.
[3:01:55] Okay, thanks.
[3:01:56] We're going to continue.
[3:01:58] Now we're still in the public testimony portion
[3:02:00] to anybody else in the crowd like to speak on this.
[3:02:06] I think everybody's probably spoken.
[3:02:09] Okay, good.
[3:02:09] We're going to move on to close the public testimony portion and ask for the applicant to come back up for rebuttal.
[3:02:28] Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Members of Council. Stephanie Hopkins again. My address is 575 more of the discovery way in Voici.
[3:02:36] Here representing the property owner. I really appreciate all the neighbors feedback.
[3:02:41] this is stuff that we were aware of from the Planning and the Commission meeting and the
[3:02:46] neighborhood meeting. It was brought up initially when we initially met with neighbors.
[3:02:53] It's a really unique situation here. I think that this property has here all where there
[3:02:57] aren't really a whole lot of options to procure secondary access. There's kind of
[3:03:05] hampered in by private property. And so that puts us in this situation where we can't necessarily
[3:03:10] just throw out another access to the West, South, or East, without getting approval from somebody.
[3:03:17] We do have an opportunity, and I think we're making the best to the situation in the can,
[3:03:23] to utilize the tools that we have. And right now, that is an access easement through the
[3:03:29] Idaho Materials and Construction Property, which would with this subdivision be recorded emergency
[3:03:36] access easement through their property. Currently it's just an in easement that exists
[3:03:41] that there was kind of a handshake deal and a letter that was approved with the Williamson River
[3:03:46] at Ranch subdivision that allowed that to be used for emergency access.
[3:03:52] We currently there are
[3:03:54] 390 homes that are without a recorded secondary access easement. The wilderness river subdivision,
[3:04:00] a couple of folks had mentioned that they were wondering what the wilderness river subdivision
[3:04:03] brings to them as residents, and I think that we provide the opportunity to actually have a record
[3:04:10] of use in a place that would provide a secondary route if disaster struck or if something happens
[3:04:16] that, you know, folks, an emergency vehicle needs to access from the other direction. This is just
[3:04:23] for emergency access, so, you know, there would be still just one point of the access or
[3:04:27] and grassy grass to Eagle Road, but that's how this entire area was contemplated initially.
[3:04:35] The Wilderness River is also providing an easement on the south, which is to the city of
[3:04:41] Boise's property, but should the city of Eagle be able to procure some kind of pedestrian bridge
[3:04:47] or do something access-wise to the south? That's an option. Both the emergency access to the east and
[3:04:53] access to the South won't happen without the wilderness river subdivision.
[3:04:57] So I think that provides a unique opportunity for...
[3:05:00] The city to, you know, partner with a developer in a way that otherwise that needs not being met.
[3:05:07] There were a couple of folks that mentioned traffic and, our traffic impacting analysis was done
[3:05:13] in August. I don't know how the school, I don't know how many children live in the subdivision
[3:05:18] or how impactful that would be for school bus traffic or individual trips. But there were 80, 80 trips
[3:05:26] observed during the AM peak hours and 107 observed during the PM peak hours. That's pretty consistent with what
[3:05:34] Williamson ever ranch proposed and was approved with in 2016. So I think I hope I'm covering everything.
[3:05:43] I think unfortunately there's not a whole lot that I can add. We've really tried to work the best we can with
[3:05:48] the fire department to obtain their approval. They're comfortable and they you know reviewed the subdivision with
[3:05:55] the mitigations that we're proposing, and as long as we follow the conditions of approval that
[3:06:00] they have included, I think that they're they're in full approval that we would be meeting
[3:06:05] their standards. So other than that, I guess I will stand for for the questions if you have them.
[3:06:13] Thank you. All right. Thank you. Any questions on the rebuttal portion for the applicant?
[3:06:19] Mr Mayer. Stephanie, if you could, I know in the documents that we received
[3:06:24] in that were available to the public, the traffic impact and analysis mischaracterized the road as a local road, correct?
[3:06:35] Yes, thank you.
[3:06:36] So then ACHD, when they provided their report,
[3:06:44] if you could expand on that a little bit for everyone here.
[3:06:47] Absolutely. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Councilwoman Russell, for bringing that up action.
[3:06:52] to touch on that too. So our traffic impact analysis did note that Island Woods is a function
[3:06:58] classified as a residential local street from there's an area in which it kind of does a little
[3:07:05] camper down.
[3:07:09] And so after that point the traffic impact analysis was saying that that's a local roadway
[3:07:13] the rest of the roadway is known as a collector. The ECHD reviewed that and actually noted that
[3:07:18] have, and I do have a section from the staff report in my presentation if we want to pull it up,
[3:07:24] but it's on page three, TIS findings, they do clarify that Island Woods Drive is actually,
[3:07:31] I can just all read it. So although Island Woods Drive east of River Chase way is noted in the
[3:07:36] TIA as a local street, Island Woods Drive is classified as a collector roadway as part of ACH
[3:07:42] use action on Island Woods and River's end subdivisions. So when those subdivisions came through,
[3:07:47] determined that the entire roadway would be classified as a collector roadway, which means
[3:07:51] the average daily trips that that roadway can accommodate is 3,000. The average daily
[3:07:57] trips that our subdivision wilderness river is for opposed to or is anticipated to carry
[3:08:03] is 2,766.
[3:08:07] So looking at the classification that way it does it's lower than what the
[3:08:18] discrepancy there. Right. Thank you.
[3:08:21] Yeah, the questions comments for the applicant.
[3:08:26] Mr. Mayor. Yes.
[3:08:27] Stephanie, one of the comments that was made through the public testimony was in regards to the easement who would take care of it.
[3:08:34] The bridge asphalt road mix anything like that of that nature. Can you expand on that, too?
[3:08:39] Absolutely. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, Councilwoman Gendelsberger.
[3:08:42] Yes, the Department's letter, the site's specific conditions of approval require that the applicant or the HOA maintain the bridge and roadway, so that it's in passable condition and it's usable by the fire department.
[3:08:56] So that's something that our client and the applicant is amenable to.
[3:09:00] I think that as we would go through any agreements with the fire department, we would want to include, so I mentioned earlier that we've been coordinating with the fire department on the verbage they'd like to see in that cross access
[3:09:10] for the access agreement, we would work with them as well to see exactly how that is going
[3:09:16] to be administered and if it needs to be in the CCNRs, or if it's going to be included in
[3:09:19] the East Minigriment.
[3:09:22] Thanks, Stephanie.
[3:09:22] Thank you.
[3:09:24] Mr. Mayor.
[3:09:24] Just for me.
[3:09:25] Mr. Mayor.
[3:09:27] As far as the bridge goes, how would you structure that financially?
[3:09:32] That's a heavy lift for an HOA, Rosa Expensive, Bridges are even more expensive.
[3:09:37] And so with that be, there was a gentleman that came up to testify and he mentioned a bond.
[3:09:44] You would have to have a sizable reserve account.
[3:09:47] So what's your thought process on that whole part of it?
[3:09:50] Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Councilwoman May.
[3:09:54] I think we would need to look at that with our client as well as the fire department.
[3:09:59] And then I am seated.
[3:10:00] It's exactly what the road condition is currently and what would need to happen to bring it up to what their standards are to determine how it might need to be maintained and what the funding mechanism would be going forward.
[3:10:12] I think all the options would probably be on the tables, as far as whether they wanted, if it was a sizable amount, it might make sense to do a bond or have some kind of trust in place.
[3:10:22] But I agree with you, that might be a lift depending on what the fire department needs and what the current condition is.
[3:10:28] Road maintenance is a it's a heavy lift especially for an HOA.
[3:10:32] Absolutely. So that that's something that would definitely need to be really thought out really well.
[3:10:38] I agree. Thank you. Thank you.
[3:10:41] Okay you have to thoughts or comments for Mr. Mayor.
[3:10:45] On the putting buildings on the head of Eagle Island.
[3:10:53] Where the compound wants that to be kept open.
[3:10:57] I'm kind of interested in the rationale on that.
[3:11:00] Why are we going to go against the current plan on that one?
[3:11:03] Mr. Mayor, Councilman Kwame, we work with staff of Fairmount on this initially when we
[3:11:09] first started to meet with them and I think the head of Eagle Island was not necessarily
[3:11:14] located specifically in this location, it was just a convenience spot to place it.
[3:11:19] This isn't staff's word, this is my interpretation of maybe what happened but it was a convenient
[3:11:23] place to place it within the future land use map. And so our interpretation of how that should be applied is to preserve areas where we can, based on where it is, where there are naturally sensitive areas, which is the intention of the head of Eagle Island, floodway and flood plain and then other
[3:11:41] environmental sensitive areas, rather than just specifically drawing a line and saying no development there.
[3:11:48] Okay, thank you.
[3:11:50] Thank you.
[3:11:54] Mayor.
[3:11:54] It's definitely another question.
[3:11:58] There was also concerns that these easements may not happen.
[3:12:03] That there will be nothing concrete.
[3:12:08] Can you speak to that concern and worry?
[3:12:11] Mr. Mayor, Councilman Russell.
[3:12:13] I was the access easements for their emergency.
[3:12:16] So essentially I mean I've had a couple conversations with Scott Buck at this point and we will not receive any kind of approval on a final plot before we received before we actually show them a recorded document
[3:12:27] That the easements have been finalized so that's that's kind of the hard stop there.
[3:12:33] Okay, thank you just so everyone knows that the development will not happen unless exactly that's completed. Okay, thank you.
[3:12:44] Yeah, there are thoughts or comments for the applicant.
[3:12:51] All right, Stephanie.
[3:12:51] Thank you.
[3:12:52] Thank you.
[3:12:53] All right.
[3:12:54] Go ahead and close the public hearing and now bring it back to this council for consideration,
[3:12:59] discussion, and maybe a motion.
[3:13:03] Mr. Mayor, if I may speak with Mr. Williams for a moment.
[3:13:19] Mr. Mayor, Councilman, we're getting those bigger.
[3:13:20] Just wanted to talk through with you.
[3:13:23] Should this annexation not occur with the next path for this development?
[3:13:28] could it be to go to Boise, doesn't go back to A to County, what's the plan B?
[3:13:35] There are options. I'll use what we always hear from Victor at the PANs.
[3:13:41] A portion of this site roughly 45 acres is recognized in the city of Boise's comprehensive plan,
[3:13:47] and it takes in all of the middle of this development, with the exception of the little pieces,
[3:13:54] which is the head of Eagle Island, and then to the west of that is where the Wiemson's
[3:14:00] residence is, and there's some additional acreage in there, probably right around 30 acres.
[3:14:06] The city of Boisey is contiguous to this property.
[3:14:09] The wastewater treatment plant is zoned in Deskrill 2, I believe, and it's right across the river,
[3:14:15] so therefore it is contiguous to the city of Boisey.
[3:14:19] Our agreement, basically, they're allowing the city of Eagle, as part of that
[3:14:24] agreement to develop this property because the city voice you really has no access other than being
[3:14:30] contiguous to the property and all the access will come through even though it's in the
[3:14:36] city vehicle there will be a cross-ACHD roads. Thanks Mike.
[3:14:48] Other thoughts or comments? Mr. Mayor.
[3:14:54] I have a lot of questions and concerns that I had jotted down today but listening to the
[3:15:00] Laborhood is clear that and rightfully so the egress is first and foremost on everybody's mind.
[3:15:09] If this development goes forward, that's going to be four subdivisions in there with one road coming out.
[3:15:17] I live in a subdivision that connects to the one next to me and then the one after that. So we've got three subdivisions there.
[3:15:23] when we have seven access points in and out.
[3:15:28] So it kind of defies comprehension
[3:15:31] that you've got four and they have this single road out.
[3:15:37] And I applaud Stephanie with her plan.
[3:15:40] I know you're, I can hear your passion there.
[3:15:44] But safety first.
[3:15:46] So that's the big sticking point for me here.
[3:15:50] There were suggestions made, a road trust.
[3:15:52] those are always viable options, but they take time.
[3:15:55] It's not something that you're going to put together today
[3:15:57] and have a road built tomorrow.
[3:16:00] So, unfortunately, sometimes government moves
[3:16:02] at the speed of slow.
[3:16:04] But there are options, but I just don't think right now
[3:16:08] and there's a lot to be considered with the emergency
[3:16:11] access coming in, with the bridge and the road maintenance
[3:16:14] having the HOA take that on.
[3:16:17] There's a lot of good ideas here, but I just don't think
[3:16:19] everything's been flushed out.
[3:16:21] and certainly I think we need to be really, really cognizant of the safety issue here.
[3:16:28] That's a lot of people there, if there's an incident, you're creating a single choke point
[3:16:33] in my mind, just my impression.
[3:16:37] And my big concern is if there was another event, you know, two rivers.
[3:16:42] It's not really two rivers.
[3:16:43] It's one river and they're renowned again, they come back together.
[3:16:46] So we've all seen that.
[3:16:46] We know floods happen.
[3:16:47] and we had snowmageddon.
[3:16:49] You've got school buses coming in and out.
[3:16:51] If there's a subdivision that's going to be
[3:16:53] built, you're going to have heavy construction
[3:16:55] equipment coming back and forth.
[3:16:57] So there's just a lot to consider
[3:16:58] and you're all using the same road.
[3:17:00] So that's my big concern right there
[3:17:02] that something would need to be done to address the egress.
[3:17:10] So might do thoughts.
[3:17:13] Mike, will you come back up?
[3:17:14] I got a question for you.
[3:17:15] You just said something about Boise, city Boise.
[3:17:18] I just want to have some confirmation on the contiguous portion of that, does that?
[3:17:24] It's because it's, we're annexing it into the city of Eagle if it got developed through.
[3:17:30] Finish off the thought on the options, because I think we kind of stopped short of what could happen if this application gets denied.
[3:17:41] could they go back to Boise, could they go directly to Ian Accounting and fill out a whole new application with them and then go from that perspective.
[3:17:53] I mean, I'm a little concerned with, I don't think we've answered all those questions yet in terms of that because I could see.
[3:18:02] I have these little radars going off and of course my public safety thing is I'm trying to be unbiased to my opinion on that.
[3:18:11] So I'm looking at that from other connections.
[3:18:15] Mr. Mayor, and you just drew the added twist.
[3:18:18] And I should have addressed this with Councilman
[3:18:20] and Regendals Burger question.
[3:18:23] Boise cities, comp, and only covers a portion of the site.
[3:18:27] So actually, based on our comprehensive plan,
[3:18:29] our area of impact agreements and everything else,
[3:18:31] and our agreement with Boise city,
[3:18:33] they really only have access to a portion of that site.
[3:18:36] What's on each side of what their comprehensive plan
[3:18:41] Do you want to pull up the map real quick and just kind of I would think the citizens to have a visual as well because I think this is
[3:18:50] imperative that we really see this for what it's worth.
[3:18:55] As he's pulling up the map, what you brought up?
[3:18:59] A to county.
[3:19:01] A to county as we well know, based on our competency plans and our competency plan, our area of impact agreements,
[3:19:08] They could apply 2A to county to bring a development through based on our
[3:19:15] comprehensive plans.
[3:19:16] The problem with that, if they bring it through based on our comprehensive plans,
[3:19:23] if
[3:19:23] that were to be approved through a county, they use their code to implement everything
[3:19:29] that's taking place.
[3:19:32] It's our conference plan, but it's their code, not our code.
[3:19:35] Our codes are set up to implement our plans.
[3:19:45] And if you just walk us through this noisy portion, okay, where there, this is a wastewater treatment plant.
[3:19:54] It is all located within the city of Boise.
[3:19:57] It is zoned by the city of Boise.
[3:20:00] So, it's contiguous to write across the river to the subject property. And you can't annex across the river, it's just like annexing the cross the street.
[3:20:12] The head of Eagle Island, this nine acre parcel here, nine point six, five acre parcel here, is recognized by our compound. And in these two parcels to the west, are recognized by our compound as neighborhood residential.
[3:20:28] This is actually recognized by our
[3:20:30] company as well, this 44 acres here,
[3:20:33] but it's also recognized by the city
[3:20:35] of Boisey Comprehensive Plan.
[3:20:38] So if a county, if they were to apply to a
[3:20:40] county, they're going to take in two
[3:20:42] comprehensive plans into consideration.
[3:20:46] They'll take our comprehensive plan and the
[3:20:48] city of Boisey's comprehensive plan,
[3:20:50] because our area of impact agreement
[3:20:52] does not recognize our agreement with the
[3:20:55] of Boise for the 45 acres that's in the middle of this development are this proposal.
[3:21:06] So yes, they would have the opportunity to submit the application to aid accounting.
[3:21:10] And do we have a ballpark density for Boise that they've already, do we know what their
[3:21:16] density, this is 1.2 or per acre?
[3:21:19] The ballpark density Mr. Mayor for Boise was a low density and their low density was
[3:21:25] somewhere to what our density is designated on this map.
[3:21:30] That correct.
[3:21:31] That's why I make sure all the questions have been answered.
[3:21:38] Nicole probably has additional information for Boise City.
[3:21:41] Nicole, come on up and give comments to that then.
[3:21:53] Good evening, Mayor.
[3:21:55] Hansel.
[3:21:55] Nicole.
[3:21:55] Good evening, Mayor.
[3:22:03] Hansel.
[3:22:03] Nicole.
[3:22:03] Good evening, Mayor.
[3:22:06] Hansel.
[3:22:07] within their city code, and we would need to go back
[3:22:11] and see how that looks today there.
[3:22:13] It would at least be this.
[3:22:15] It could be more now that Boise City
[3:22:17] has done some additional zoning updates
[3:22:19] that were just adopted last year.
[3:22:21] I just, we have not compared that.
[3:22:24] Because I'd like to see the comparison
[3:22:25] of Boise, Eagle, and County.
[3:22:29] And I think, because there's really three entities
[3:22:30] that have a potential down to some base and off our top
[3:22:34] part of this?
[3:22:35] Yeah. Well, no. That would be some of Boise City's
[3:22:38] complain. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. So we can do that work for you with the current
[3:22:45] zoning's RP. To get out of the RP zoning in 80 county to get to 5 acre minimum. So RPs
[3:22:54] that 48 acre minimum to get to a 10 acre minimum, sorry. They would need to have sewer and water
[3:23:00] provided and be in a fire district. I think they could make that agreement. Now, as to
[3:23:05] comparison to Boise City code, we would have to go back and look at what their
[3:23:09] comp plan compatibility is to underlying zoning today. Just because it has changed since
[3:23:15] we entered into this agreement with them. It may not have affected this area. I just don't
[3:23:19] have a very answer to them at this point.
[3:23:23] And I don't want to speak for council, but I'm concerned with what all of those answers are, just at my own curiosity.
[3:23:34] So, any other questions for Mike or thoughts?
[3:23:41] My question on the emergency egress.
[3:23:48] And I don't know if this would be for you or Stephanie, but would residents be able to use that emergency egress in an emergency.
[3:23:57] Mr. Mayor and Council Member Russell, Stephanie and I have had this conversation more than once.
[3:24:04] I've had the conversation with Eagle Fire as well. At this time, what they're proposing with the agreement, it would be emergency access only.
[3:24:13] I mean, with the Council's concern, if this were to be approved, it should work possibly if they can work this both ways to where they can use it for evacuation as well.
[3:24:23] And we could include that as a condition of absolute approval.
[3:24:28] Okay,
[3:24:34] that's all I think I have.
[3:24:36] Call me.
[3:24:39] Question from Mike, a question that is setbacks.
[3:24:45] You're requesting a waiver on the setbacks on the residents.
[3:24:50] Mr. Mayor, Councilman, call me as correct or requesting 5 feet on a rare belief, 10 feet
[3:24:57] the front for the living area and two.
[3:25:00] I'm going to have feet on the sides. Okay, here's my question. Just because Williamson Ranch got that approval. Doesn't mean automatically that this proposal should get the setbacks way, right?
[3:25:15] That's up to the council if they want to wave, allow for that waiver to occur. Okay. Thank you.
[3:25:27] Mr. Mayor.
[3:25:27] So Mike, the emergency access route, it's just a single road, single lane road right now.
[3:25:36] Mr. Mayor and Councilmember May, single lane, but I believe that there's wits required
[3:25:43] to allow for two vehicles to pass.
[3:25:46] The final one is a fire truck.
[3:25:48] Eagle fire, correct. Eagle fire will require that allows for in areas at least every, I believe
[3:25:55] 150 feet to allow two vehicles to pass side by side. That's an emergency issue for them.
[3:26:03] I'll also believe.
[3:26:04] No, I was just the concern about residents having to evacuate on the same road that you've got emergency vehicles
[3:26:11] coming in on.
[3:26:12] what the
[3:26:14] and mid-ministering staff member may they would have to set that up
[3:26:17] in areas to allow for two vehicles to pass.
[3:26:19] So they would have to do some further.
[3:26:21] Okay, thank you, Mike.
[3:26:28] All right, it's still open for discussion and consideration comments or questions.
[3:26:35] Mr. Mayor, I'll probably throw out some thoughts on this one.
[3:26:38] What I like about this project
[3:26:41] is I respect the property owner's rights to develop.
[3:26:44] And in support of that, I like the density that they're proposing, a fairly low density of residential units, I like the percent of open space that they're providing.
[3:26:59] What I don't like about it is, you know, this going again against the city ordinance on the setbacks.
[3:27:05] I don't like that.
[3:27:07] The building on the head of Eagle Island,
[3:27:11] I was initially kind of worried about that,
[3:27:14] but with the clarification that Stephanie provided
[3:27:16] on the comeback, I'm okay with that.
[3:27:22] And it seems like the overwhelming opposition
[3:27:26] to this proposal has to do with the safety of the residents
[3:27:32] in the four developments that are surrounding this proposal.
[3:27:38] But that situation was not created by this new proposal.
[3:27:43] It would compound on it, but it was not created by it.
[3:27:46] Those worries and concerns were already there, as far as the traffic safety.
[3:27:52] What I would like to see is if, and I don't know if this is appropriate or not, push to continue
[3:27:59] this hearing out and give the Williams opportunity to try to get to with these other HOAs
[3:28:06] and see if they can come up with a solution on this emergency exit situation that would
[3:28:11] be acceptable to them. One recommendation by Mrs. Henry was that, you know, ACHD trust could
[3:28:24] set up maybe a possibility of a community CID set up to improve that emergency exit road to
[3:28:34] where it would be much safer for people to leave in an emergency if they had to and maybe
[3:28:38] work with the ownership of the property and maybe they can loosen up the ability to use the road
[3:28:44] for not only emergencies but other alternate routes to get off and get away from going through
[3:28:50] in that situation. So I think that would be important for to have give them time to try
[3:28:59] to work something out with the other HOAs. And the other thing I think is, I think it's
[3:29:04] important is that new developments that are going to impact, I would drive, you know,
[3:29:13] participate on a proportional amount of road maintenance because they're definitely going
[3:29:18] increase on the traffic load on those roads that are going to need road maintenance per the
[3:29:22] ACHD agreement. Namely, pavers. So those are my thoughts.
[3:29:31] Okay, we'll continue.
[3:29:33] Mr. Mayor. Craig, I do disagree on the getting the HOAs together to figure out the
[3:29:49] with what Stephanie has proposed and the fact that we can put a specific condition in the approval
[3:29:58] to where the development will be.
[3:30:00] We'll not happen if that egress road is not put into place and is also approved for evacuation
[3:30:05] for residents. So I don't think any collaboration between the HOAs would make that go any faster.
[3:30:15] I think I do agree that it's a wonderful development. I live in Mace River Ranch, which is right
[3:30:24] across Eagle Road from Island Woods and during snowmigadden we only have one exit and we
[3:30:33] were under flood watch for many, many months and it was a scary feeling but again I
[3:30:38] choose to live on an island and so I'm aware of that although it's interesting I really
[3:30:44] wasn't aware of that until snowmigadden I said I actually live on an island. Pretty crazy
[3:30:50] me, and I've been here about 10 years, and I know that, for instance, two rivers, subdivision,
[3:31:00] when Mace was being built, you know, Mace used to be one of the oldest farms in Eagle, and
[3:31:06] we had the construction traffic that we created for the residents that live at two rivers
[3:31:13] and the shores, and I'm sure that was a concern for them, but everyone made it through, and that's just a fact of allowing a property owner to develop their land as they should be able to.
[3:31:30] I do certainly understand the concerns of the mothers with the children standing on the street waiting for the bus.
[3:31:38] I see that on the corners of where I live,
[3:31:43] and just we recently had the radar traffic counter
[3:31:48] on Mace Road so that we could tell people, hey, slow down, you know, it's a 25 mile an hour
[3:31:56] road, and I think perhaps there are some things that we can do to help the residents and sometimes
[3:32:07] it's not those that live there, but it's those just passing through that that don't understand
[3:32:12] that there are children in that they need to really pay attention whether it's children or
[3:32:17] ducks crossing the road or whatever.
[3:32:21] But I feel much more comfortable knowing that the developer
[3:32:27] and that the city of Eagle can put limitations on the development that without the emergency
[3:32:35] evacuation egress I would not feel like I could prove this
[3:32:49] and then I just I have concerns
[3:32:55] of the applicant being able to go to A to County and what would A to County get them.
[3:33:02] I think Ego does it better than anyone else and so that's my fear if we do deny this
[3:33:10] development that they can go to Ada County and I think we listen better. That's all I
[3:33:18] have to say. Mr. Mayor. I agree that something would need to be done to allow the
[3:33:26] residents to evacuate, but that's only in the event of flood or a fire or something like
[3:33:33] that day to day, they're still all going out on the same road. And so I don't think we've
[3:33:39] address that issue. And so it's like some of these things I think need to be in place before
[3:33:46] they would move on with the development of that area because we need to address, you just can't build
[3:33:55] a road overnight, you know, I think everybody agrees they need to have an additional road to get
[3:33:59] them out of there. Maybe some sort of road trust could happen, you've got ACHD roads,
[3:34:09] you've got
[3:34:10] So, absence of those things, I would be unable to support this project at this time.
[3:34:19] And I'm saying at this time, I just think some other things need to be in place.
[3:34:23] And I just think if we're only thinking for the event and evacuating residents, we're not taking into account the immediate safety issue that's before us.
[3:34:32] So those were my thoughts and so at this time I would not be able to support without a lot of other conditions in there.
[3:34:46] Your turn. Mr. Mayor.
[3:34:49] Excuse me.
[3:34:52] I echo the same sediments from Councilman Russell and Kwameana on a few points as well, too.
[3:34:59] My biggest concern.
[3:35:00] I have right now is the fact that if this development is denied, it does go to Boisey in A to County.
[3:35:08] And the potential for this particular development, having the access easement that could be used for an emergency situation.
[3:35:17] Potentially is in place because of the negotiation through staff, the city of Eagle, in the developer that may not be in existence with the city of Boisey.
[3:35:26] I don't trust them for placing those kinds of conditions with on this property, so that is my biggest concern
[3:35:34] is saying a lot of times the options are not just A and B, sometimes they're C, and if we go towards
[3:35:41] the C route, what could potentially be putting ourselves in a predicament for. So I agree with you Councilwoman
[3:35:50] made that the egress issue is a problem.
[3:35:56] The caveat to that is I think a lot of that development that has already existed was under
[3:36:00] the assumption that they would have that three rivers crossing for future development.
[3:36:04] Obviously, that's not in place right now, but the problem is that if we don't have the ability
[3:36:09] to even guide this development as it's being guided right now and having that easement access,
[3:36:17] If Boise comes in and says, you know, this is something that we don't even care about, you
[3:36:21] just, you know, they put whatever they want there.
[3:36:24] Now we have an additional resident issue for our citizens and I'm concerned about that being
[3:36:31] an option for us.
[3:36:34] So, you know, it's one of those rock and art place situations, you know, and we now have
[3:36:39] a problem that we didn't create that we have to make some kind of resolution for.
[3:36:44] So I'm still amendable as to kind of go on one or another.
[3:36:48] I'm leaning more towards supporting the application in the sense of it's giving the option for us to have a point of egress for our citizens in an emergency.
[3:37:02] I don't think the setbacks should be granted.
[3:37:06] I don't think that that's necessary.
[3:37:08] I think they should hold within the code that is currently in place.
[3:37:13] And so I'm definitely torn on this one.
[3:37:18] I'll be honest, it's problematic.
[3:37:22] Mr. Mayor.
[3:37:24] And I don't know how we would even craft a vote, you know,
[3:37:28] I understand where you're coming from, but how we address,
[3:37:34] is there some way we can tie in the need for an additional
[3:37:40] Egress point, not absent of, you know, a calamity or a special event that we need to
[3:37:46] evacuate people quickly, tie that in somehow, but that would move forward with the trust
[3:37:53] or something I don't know.
[3:37:59] Mr. Mayor, let me ask Councilwoman Russell again one time, you said this would not get approved
[3:38:07] unless some an improvement was made on the current Egress round.
[3:38:11] But yes, we can put a condition of development that unless the egress is constructed and is built to facilitate evacuation for residents, then there would be no building.
[3:38:27] I would support that.
[3:38:29] You could pull back up the letter from the fire department, which shows what kind of reads out.
[3:38:37] You see the bottom couple of lines that talks about, they will not consider, you know, something's meeting you.
[3:38:45] Right. And it is already stated by the fire department, but I wanted to add the condition that residents would be allowed to use it, and it would be available for evacuation purposes.
[3:39:00] And the problem with having an additional road to access the subdivision that will never happen
[3:39:08] unless three city rivers.
[3:39:10] Three cities crossing is built because there is no way to build a road other than that.
[3:39:21] I think the vision for the three city river crossing is to come down 55 and go up over.
[3:39:27] to Chindon with the hanger for Clover Don't Five Mile, so I don't know how it's going to
[3:39:33] tuck into.
[3:39:34] Well Stephanie mentioned that during the presentation that because it is going to use the
[3:39:39] Idaho Materials plant as an access point, correct Stephanie?
[3:39:47] The last, yeah, the last plant I saw were years, you know, many years ago, so you've obviously
[3:39:52] see something newer. So it might allowed to speak to them. Yeah. Okay. Mr. Mayor. We're getting
[3:39:59] off we catch.
[3:40:00] I don't know that I was, so in the planning is on a commission hearing. We had agreed to include a 50-foot
[3:40:08] right of way within the eastern portion of our development should, the three cities crossing, development
[3:40:14] ever occur in the future. So I've not seen something additional aside from what you probably
[3:40:20] seen Councilwoman May, but we're essentially just saying we're going to allow that right away to be
[3:40:28] within this development should the three cities crossing actually ever connect.
[3:40:32] And you're right, I think it's supposed to go from kind of an alignment with state
[3:40:36] high with 55 over what would be IFC property because it's really the only
[3:40:40] undeveloped property that's going to try to pull the
[3:40:43] an area else you can see. Over IFC property to
[3:40:49] chondent either an alignment with Cloverdale or Maple Grove
[3:40:53] of hopefully to provide you know an access point
[3:40:56] for a lot of the offices that are over in that direction.
[3:41:01] Thank you.
[3:41:03] So Mr. Mayor, what would the condition
[3:41:07] to take care of the egress, the emergency egress
[3:41:11] for individual residents to get out of island woods?
[3:41:16] What would that look like?
[3:41:18] I mean, who's, yeah?
[3:41:21] Mr. Mayor, members of the Council.
[3:41:27] Condition of the development's 3.11, here comes another one, and Tracy, if this is approved
[3:41:31] off, type it out for you tomorrow.
[3:41:36] Condition of the development's 3.11 states, owner shall comply with the requirements of
[3:41:41] legal fire department and the City of Legal Parks, Pathways and Recreation Commission,
[3:41:45] recommendations regarding the secondary access prior to the City Clerk signing the final
[3:41:50] plan.
[3:41:52] You would need to add additional language, so it would state. Owners shall comply with
[3:41:58] the requirements of legal, fire department, and the city vehicle, park, spathways and
[3:42:03] recreation commission period. The secondary emergency access shall provide for ingress egress
[3:42:11] for emergency vehicles and evacuation of citizens in the event of an emergency. The secondary
[3:42:19] emergency access agreement shall be recorded and referenced as a
[3:42:26] plat node on a plat prior to the city clerk's sign in the
[3:42:30] plat.
[3:42:35] And then Mike while you're up here, which condition of development
[3:42:39] addresses I see at number four,
[3:42:45] regarding the setbacks, would
[3:42:48] we then strike number four if we wanted to not allow those setbacks
[3:42:54] to be identical to Williamson Ranch?
[3:42:59] And Mr. Mann, Council member, Russell.
[3:43:03] Number four, does the address the setbacks?
[3:43:05] The setbacks, if you approve it with R2 setbacks,
[3:43:10] will be 30 feet front, 30 feet rear,
[3:43:12] 10 on the sides, five feet additional,
[3:43:16] and I believe it's 20 feet from the street side.
[3:43:20] The concern I have at the street side is the garage,
[3:43:23] But we can address that through eight to four as well,
[3:43:27] because there's a footnote with eight to four
[3:43:29] that addresses grages and sidewalks.
[3:43:37] So the number four would just say the required setbacks.
[3:43:40] Shelby, as required by code.
[3:43:45] And Mr. Mayor, Councilmember Russell, you could just strike it.
[3:43:49] OK.
[3:43:50] For that matter, because then we defer back to Eagle City code
[3:43:55] for our two setbacks.
[3:43:56] Great.
[3:43:57] just taking lots of notes.
[3:44:04] Mr. Mayor, but when last question do Councilwoman Russell, on
[3:44:11] the, that condition for the emergency agress, that would include the verifying that the
[3:44:17] bridge is adequate and can stand the traffic and all that business, right? Yes, that's
[3:44:22] for me.
[3:44:24] Thank you.
[3:44:25] Let me implement one comment on this part of it. We have to remind ourselves to that public
[3:44:33] safety has a big say and a big part of this conditional thing.
[3:44:37] All bridges get rated for capacity, so it doesn't matter what bridge you're using.
[3:44:43] They have to be rated, and then also the compactness of the engineering of the roadway has to be,
[3:44:50] you know, all adhered to above the standard of the weight limit of any apparatus going through there.
[3:44:56] But the fire employees, they will be part of this...
[3:45:00] Vacuation program that I think we're hitting on the cusp of something new and we're going to lead the way with the city, if the council occurs, would be able to address these kind of emergency situations.
[3:45:15] There is a flood plan in place in Mike Williams, is our flood flood director, and he could test this, but it's from a public safety perspective.
[3:45:22] There is notification and we will not do gridlock.
[3:45:26] I work the Oakland Hills fire back in the day in California and it was one way and people
[3:45:31] to die.
[3:45:33] That was, we learned a lot from these incidents that happened, but we will put together a mitigation
[3:45:38] plan regardless of what developers take place out there from our community.
[3:45:43] I mean, we're implementing this plan as we work through this thing, but this is a good segue
[3:45:51] into what the need is, because the last thing we wanted to do is have our people in panic mode.
[3:45:57] We have our residents concerned with what's happening in their own neighborhoods.
[3:46:01] We want you to enjoy living in Eagle and Peace of Mind. We're working towards that
[3:46:06] through the fire and through the police in our program that we're setting up the systems and emergency
[3:46:13] response training. It's not good teams. We'll give them that later. I'm just putting that out there for
[3:46:19] guys we're not just ignoring the safety aspect of what's going on here and this may be the
[3:46:23] catalyst that lights the fire to get the whole city into this thing but you guys are the first
[3:46:28] ones up on this but I could tell you fire in EMS and police they have contingency plans are ready
[3:46:35] in place for ingress and egress into your situation I'm not going to say things don't
[3:46:42] catastrophically happen but we have a plan already in place and I want you to have go out of here
[3:46:48] tonight, at least knowing, they're clueless, they don't even know what they're talking about.
[3:46:52] No, we actually do know we're talking about, we do have a mitigation plan for your community
[3:46:56] or neighborhoods right now as we speak, and that's, but it can be enhanced, okay, and that's
[3:47:01] what we're trying to get right here is an enhancement to the need, especially as we add people
[3:47:06] to the community.
[3:47:07] So, I just want you to have a piece of mind with that.
[3:47:09] We've already done public comments, sorry.
[3:47:12] I do want to hear from you later, but yeah, you can email us or something like that.
[3:47:17] But anyhow, I just wanted to give you some, because I feel the atmosphere in the air is a lot of concern and panic, and I wanted you to rest assured that
[3:47:25] you're firing police and EMS, they have a contingency plan in place, and we have more than one plan.
[3:47:31] We have two or three plans, because they don't always work out the way you first plan them.
[3:47:36] So I just wanted to give that hopefully it's an assurance to you guys a little bit, peace of mind, but it's not you're on your own out there.
[3:47:43] I mean, there's a plan and you're not, we're going to do the best we can to accommodate
[3:47:47] the emergency vote, you know, this is in our first rodeo in public safety, so we know
[3:47:53] we're doing.
[3:47:54] So go ahead.
[3:47:54] Mr. Mayor and council members, council, people, it's getting late, it's like past my bedtime.
[3:48:03] After conferring with the zoning administrator, we talked, we conferred about the timing of
[3:48:09] emergency access agreement.
[3:48:13] Instead of having a timing with privacy, clerk sign in the final
[3:48:17] plat, if this is a phase development, which phase.
[3:48:22] So what we discussed really quickly is prior to approval of the first phase of
[3:48:28] the development they shall provide as a copy of the eSmet record and eSmet
[3:48:32] agreement.
[3:48:38] Mr. Mayer, I just wanted to kind of parlay off of your statement of safety.
[3:48:41] I think one of the comments that was made is,
[3:48:44] what does this development bring to our neighborhood?
[3:48:46] What do we get out of this?
[3:48:47] And I think this is one of those components.
[3:48:49] It's bringing in an easement access
[3:48:52] that wasn't there for safety measures.
[3:48:55] So that would be something that is a benefit
[3:48:57] for the existing residents of this neighborhood.
[3:49:07] Any further discussion?
[3:49:08] If not, I'm prepared to make a motion.
[3:49:11] to approve agenda item number 9C.
[3:49:21] Make a motion for approval with the following changes
[3:49:25] to
[3:49:30] the specifics for the annexation and the resone.
[3:49:35] Rebiased 3.11 as stated by Mike Williams.
[3:49:43] And that is where we are adding the emergency access requirements.
[3:49:49] and then also striking number four on the preliminary development plan and
[3:49:56] plat, striking number four, which is the setback.
[3:50:04] And I believe that's it. Okay, have a motion to have a second. Second. Okay, any more discussion?
[3:50:13] One discussion point, Mike. Do we need to have the conditions, the standard conditions of approval?
[3:50:19] In the staff recommendation, do we need to state those as well, too?
[3:50:23] Mr. Mayor and Council Member Genselsberger, I'm going to refer back to Council Member Russell.
[3:50:30] We've staffed requests as part of the motion that you recognize the conditions of
[3:50:34] developments that site-specific conditions of approval, and standard conditions of approval,
[3:50:39] has recommended by the Planning and Zoning Commission, and then it's going to be with the changes of
[3:50:44] 3.11 in site-specific condition number four being stricken.
[3:50:51] Okay, I'll revise my motion then to what he said, but he said I think when he said it exactly as stated by Mike Williams.
[3:51:02] Okay, second concur.
[3:51:04] Second concur.
[3:51:06] Okay, now we're in discussion still.
[3:51:07] I just wanted to make a statement that this is, and by no means a referendum on the police or the fire department.
[3:51:15] everybody does an awesome job and we're lucky to be here, et cetera. I just feel
[3:51:19] there's more to be done. Conversations to be had, I think we had some good ideas
[3:51:23] out there. I'm still just stuck on the safety and listening to all the residents
[3:51:27] out there. So I will not be voting in favor of this, but I do hope everybody
[3:51:33] works together and we can come up with some solutions going forward that everybody
[3:51:40] will be happy with and address maybe the the egress out of the neighborhood. But anyway, those
[3:51:47] are my thoughts. So thank you.
[3:51:49] Thank you. Any other discussions or comments?
[3:51:55] Good to go. All right, roll call please.
[3:51:58] Hi. No. Hi. Hi.
[3:52:03] Hi. Thank you. Okay. We're moving on to new business number 10. 10A is an action item resolution
[3:52:13] in 24- to show eight community hall use policy,
[3:52:18] as we leave,
[3:52:22] let's be cordial, please.
[3:52:26] Mr. Mayor and Council, this is a policy that
[3:52:29] staff is being poured, it's a bit overdue,
[3:52:32] but it's a policy for the community hall reservation
[3:52:36] and the senior center reservations.
[3:52:39] We've the facilities of operated for a while
[3:52:43] without a formal policy in place, so we're bringing this to you now.
[3:52:46] I've gone over it with a couple of council members and there are a couple of clarifications that staff need
[3:52:53] direction on. This policy is complement tree to the existing policy for the city hall room reservation
[3:53:02] with a few tweaks based on our facility needs. I don't want we're distracted right now by noisiness.
[3:53:08] I was powering through you guys. I know I just want to give the courtesy of hearing your devoted
[3:53:14] attention from the council.
[3:53:30] Okay, there you go. Thank you. Sorry.
[3:53:36] So super sexy, after all of that stuff, room reservation policy. I've gone over it with
[3:53:43] a couple council members, but staff does need direction on whether you want to allow alcohol
[3:53:48] to be served or consumed at the community of all facility and the senior facility. It's
[3:53:55] council's desire to allow that. Are there those? There are certain permits that are
[3:53:59] going to be required and open container permit would be required as well as a catering permit.
[3:54:06] Those are city code and that would also meet state code for those two items.
[3:54:13] I'm available for any questions.
[3:54:15] It's not really exciting.
[3:54:16] I did work with Brian Allen, our recreation director who oversees the community hall and
[3:54:25] Center as far as room setup and the usage that it's seen to date. I did consult with other
[3:54:33] agencies on how they handle some of their room reservations. Sorry, verbal pauses I apologize.
[3:54:44] Part of the things that I'm not asking for direction on today are going to be fees. I'm going to
[3:54:48] bring that back at another time. We're looking to make those consistent, consistent across city facilities.
[3:54:56] And what are the questions you have for me?
[3:55:00] Mr. Mayor. Tracy question for you and kind of researching this with other municipalities. Notice a couple
[3:55:06] different things in between having alcohol at an event where there's either minors or no minors identifying
[3:55:13] either of those or if the alcohol is being served that some municipality said it had to be served by a bartending
[3:55:20] service or something of that nature. So just kind of wanted to dive a little bit into some of those nuances.
[3:55:24] Right, so if the city were to allow the service of it, we were to acquire a catering permit and an open container permit, both of those are reviewed by Eagle PD
[3:55:33] Actually, just the open container permit. So
[3:55:37] We would send it to them. They would have to say like how identify how you're you're verifying someone's 21 years or older
[3:55:44] No alcohol would be allowed outside the premise those type of things catering permits means you have a state alcohol license and you are gonna be the one that pours
[3:55:52] So I can't be Bob's ring in a six pack.
[3:55:55] It has to be I'm hiring Jim State Brewing to cater my event and the actual holder of the
[3:56:02] state license has to pull that catering permit and it's handing glove you have to have
[3:56:05] both.
[3:56:07] But yeah, we have local PD review any open container permits for those things that put
[3:56:12] any additional conditions that need to apply.
[3:56:15] Thanks, Tracy.
[3:56:17] Mr. Mayor.
[3:56:17] Tracy, Park Reservations, Park Shelters, do we allow alcohol there?
[3:56:26] We do. We have a different code section regarding alcohol as far as that goes. Okay.
[3:56:34] And then, for instance, if someone were using a catering service, their employees are trained by
[3:56:40] alcohol beverage and control for. Eagle doesn't have a tips certified requirement for the
[3:56:47] on the individual license holder, and what they will have worn
[3:56:50] out. In the olden days, you could borrow someone's
[3:56:53] alcohol license, and you could pour off of it without actually
[3:56:56] having their staff there. I do not know of anybody that would
[3:57:00] still do that today. Just because of liability issues.
[3:57:03] Okay, thank you. It becomes complicated. I think we've had requests
[3:57:07] for wedding receptions or 50th Anniversary reservations
[3:57:11] down at the senior center where they wanted to do a toast.
[3:57:14] And until we had a policy in place, we simply said,
[3:57:16] I'll call the loud, and it just makes it cleaner for everyone so.
[3:57:25] Do you have the comments concerns or questions for Tracy on this?
[3:57:29] I have a question before.
[3:57:35] Yeah, the question becomes, do you want to allow it?
[3:57:39] Do you want to allow it only at the senior center?
[3:57:41] Do you only want to allow it at the community hall?
[3:57:43] Do you want it everywhere right now for our meeting rooms?
[3:57:47] Because who would come to city hall the drink?
[3:57:49] Other than this?
[3:57:52] It's not allowed for the use of the city hall meeting rooms, right now.
[3:57:58] So we just need direction, do you want to allow to the senior center or not?
[3:58:03] We can always address this after a year.
[3:58:05] A year goes by and staffs like, man, they're tearing the joint up,
[3:58:09] and it's probably a bad idea, or there's no way to gauge that at this point.
[3:58:15] So it's your discretion.
[3:58:17] And Tracy, there's no delineation between
[3:58:20] Beer and wine and heart alcohol or is that?
[3:58:22] It's also whatever the state license is that it holds it as.
[3:58:29] And realistically, you know, I'm going to reserve it for 150 people for
[3:58:35] X, Y, or Z, law enforcement's going to look at that and say,
[3:58:39] What are our risks? We're not.
[3:58:43] Well, I'll throw out my opinion first and I'll be brave.
[3:58:49] I would say we go ahead and allow the alcohol, I think we have enough checks and balances
[3:58:54] in place, and as Tracy said after a year we can revisit it if we need to.
[3:59:02] I hate to turn away people that want to have a wedding anniversary or a reunion or whatever
[3:59:08] it might be, so that would be my opinion.
[3:59:13] Mr. Mayor, I agree with that.
[3:59:17] For both facilities.
[3:59:20] All right, so what do you like to?
[3:59:22] Oh, maybe a motion for both of those resolutions.
[3:59:25] And I get to do a roll call on those if you don't mind.
[3:59:29] We could combine the two for Mitch from the one or you want to do it individually.
[3:59:34] I think it's better just to do it individually.
[3:59:37] I mean, just to just get felt in suspenders.
[3:59:39] Yeah.
[3:59:39] All right, so let's go ahead and do 10A for the Resolution 24-08.
[3:59:44] Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve a New Business Item 10A Resolution 24-08 community hall use policy allowing me serving about call.
[3:59:57] Thanks, I have a motion to have a second.
[3:59:59] Second.
[4:00:05] Okay, thank you, we'll go to 10B, the resolution 24-090, the eagles senior center, use policy.
[4:00:15] Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve item 10B, action item resolution 24-09 for the eagles senior center, use policy to include the use, the serving of alcohol.
[4:00:26] I have a motion to have a second.
[4:00:28] Second.
[4:00:30] Okay.
[4:00:30] The motion and second.
[4:00:31] Roll call please.
[4:00:33] Gendelsberger.
[4:00:33] Aye.
[4:00:34] Aye.
[4:00:35] Kwame.
[4:00:38] Thank you.
[4:00:39] We'll move on to ordinance 930.
[4:00:41] Tracy, you're.
[4:00:42] I'm sorry.
[4:00:43] Are you done?
[4:00:44] I don't know.
[4:00:44] You think I might be here for the next one.
[4:00:47] I just.
[4:00:48] I didn't know if you wanted to sit down.
[4:00:50] I mean.
[4:00:52] Okay.
[4:00:53] Let's do a action item.
[4:00:55] ordinance 932 the code of ethics and the civility.
[4:01:00] Mayor and Council, this is brought forward at the request of Council Member May, and I think maybe Russell, but regardless, we took sand points, ordinance and modified it slightly.
[4:01:14] to more fit, more fit, the city of Eagle and how we operate, we don't have a
[4:01:20] sergeant arms and those kind of things. Staff's amiable to any edits or
[4:01:24] alterations you'd like to have done to it. That's all I have.
[4:01:31] Okay, well I'll get a start off asking for the waving of the three readings and
[4:01:35] by title only then somebody can do that one first ordinance. Mr. Mayor, I move the
[4:01:44] to Idaho Code Section 50-902 that the rule requiring ordinances to be read on three different
[4:01:50] days with one reading to be in full be dispensed with and that ordinance number 932 be considered
[4:01:56] after being read once by title only.
[4:02:04] And we have a motion to have a second. Okay, roll call.
[4:02:10] Gindlesburg.
[4:02:11] Aye.
[4:02:12] Russell?
[4:02:13] Kwame.
[4:02:14] Aye.
[4:02:14] Thank you.
[4:02:15] We continue with the ordinance number 932.
[4:02:17] Mr. Mayor, I move that ordinance number 932 be adopted.
[4:02:22] Ornans 932's the Code of Ethics and Civility and Ornans of the City of Eagle, A to County,
[4:02:27] Idaho Title 1 Administration, adding new chapter 12 code of ethics and civility, adding a severability
[4:02:34] clause and providing an effective date.
[4:02:37] Thank you for the motion to have a second.
[4:02:40] Second.
[4:02:42] Okay.
[4:02:42] Any more discussion?
[4:02:44] Roll call please.
[4:02:45] Gendosberger.
[4:02:46] Aye.
[4:02:47] Russell.
[4:02:48] Kwame.
[4:02:49] We are in council.
[4:02:50] I will work up some tips and tricks for all the board members and chairman.
[4:02:55] So there were the new ordinance since we get that published and do some information.
[4:03:01] Do does for the general public as well.
[4:03:03] There will be modifications to the public comment.
[4:03:05] portion of the meeting and thank you for your time.
[4:03:09] All right. Thank you. Good job, Mr. Mayor. Good job, Tracy.
[4:03:15] All right. We're going to move on to
[4:03:16] action item 10D, which is the ordinance 933 annexation.
[4:03:21] Resoned ordinance will brush subdivision mic.
[4:03:34] Mr. Mayor, members of the council's ordinances for the
[4:03:36] property located at the southwest corner of
[4:03:40] Beacon Light and Park, the Willow Brush subdivision was previously approved.
[4:03:46] The development agreement was executed some time ago, I just hadn't moved the ordinance forward.
[4:03:52] Thank you.
[4:03:53] All right, needs somebody to read the waving of the three readings and by title only, please.
[4:03:59] Mr. Mayor, I moved that pursuant to Idaho Code Section 50-902 that the rule requiring ordinances to be read on three different days with one reading to be in full be dispensed with.
[4:04:09] that ordinance number 933 be considered after being read once by title only.
[4:04:15] Thank you.
[4:04:15] I have a motion to have a second.
[4:04:18] Any board discussion?
[4:04:19] Roll call please.
[4:04:21] Aye.
[4:04:24] Aye.
[4:04:25] Thank you.
[4:04:26] Continue with the ordinance 933 please.
[4:04:28] Mr. Mayor, I move that ordinance number 933 be adopted.
[4:04:31] The annexation and reasoned ordinance for Willow Brush Subdivision.
[4:04:35] In ordinance annexing certain real properties situated in the unincorporated area of
[4:04:41] and can take you as to the corporate limits of the city of Eagle to the city of Eagle Idaho.
[4:04:46] Changing the zoning classification of said real property here in from our U.T.
[4:04:50] rural urban transition aid accounting designation to R2DAP residential with a development agreement
[4:04:56] PUD, amending the zoning map of the city of Eagle to reflect said.
[4:05:00] Change, directing the copies of this ordinance be filed as provided by law, providing a
[4:05:04] suburbility clause and providing an effective date. The 4.97 acre site is located
[4:05:10] on the southwest corner of North Park Lane and West Beaconlight Road in 2795, North Park Lane.
[4:05:16] Thank you, I have a motion to have a second.
[4:05:19] Second.
[4:05:20] Any more discussion?
[4:05:22] Roll call please?
[4:05:23] I.
[4:05:26] Hi.
[4:05:27] Thank you.
[4:05:28] We move on to a new business.
[4:05:32] This is a strategic planning workshop update by Nicole.
[4:05:37] I mean, one moment to pull it up.
[4:05:59] Good evening, Mayor.
[4:05:59] And Council.
[4:06:00] Nicole Beard's Spencer for the record.
[4:06:02] Tonight, here it's you do a follow up discussion with the Council on the strategic planning
[4:06:07] workshop that was completed on May 22nd.
[4:06:12] So, have we got here on April 23rd, Councilwoman Russell requested and the Council
[4:06:16] agreed to conduct a strategic planning work session.
[4:06:19] The Council Project, including Council Project Identification, Review of Staff Capacity and
[4:06:24] Resources, Understanding a Department of Duty's projects, tasks, those that are required,
[4:06:29] those that are elected and those that have been
[4:06:32] directed require elected directed.
[4:06:38] We're going to call it red for now.
[4:06:40] That's a lot.
[4:06:41] The Department of Education of what crucial needs
[4:06:44] for ongoing future and ongoing in future success.
[4:06:51] On May 22nd, we had a workshop with the city council
[4:06:55] and the department heads to discuss this direction.
[4:06:59] So as part of the preparation for that is you'll remember everyone was asked to kind of participate and this was kind of our flow chart for that may be that may meeting to bring information forward.
[4:07:11] So the council, the goal was to understand what we do, what we should be doing, and what do we want to do, but aren't.
[4:07:20] And so we reviewed capital planning, we reviewed the departments, what they're doing, what
[4:07:25] departments are responsible for, departments were asked to identify what needs to get
[4:07:31] done but isn't and why and then the council was asked to help us understand why they ran
[4:07:36] for office and what you wanted to achieve at the end of your tenure on the council.
[4:07:42] So all of that came down through the first workshop which we'll talk about but in the plan
[4:07:47] And there was always this discussion of workshop number two, so we're going to talk a little
[4:07:51] bit about that as well.
[4:07:53] So the focus of the 22nd, as I said, was what do we do, what are the parents do, where
[4:07:58] the partnership gaps, the redundancies, where does work need to be refocused, what should
[4:08:04] the city be doing but we aren't, are they statutory or elective, and what are their
[4:08:15] don't refocus, what does the City Council want to get done in either your two or four
[4:08:21] your terms? So as part of the workshop we we worked through this and then the part of the
[4:08:28] workshop was to do a word cloud which was to really try and find commonality amongst everything
[4:08:34] that everyone heard and said during the meeting. The word cloud meant that if you said something
[4:08:40] enough times over and over. I got bigger. So if everybody was saying staffing, staffing on
[4:08:46] the left became the largest word in the word in the word cloud. So there were 71 entries
[4:08:53] in your word cloud. 27 combined topics. So when you took things that were combined and I'll kind
[4:08:58] of walk you through how that happened. And those 27 when combined were somewhere between 26 and 1 vote.
[4:09:05] So there were some outliers that were just one time, one time.
[4:09:10] So here you have, and you have this in your packet that's a little more legible than what's
[4:09:15] on the screen.
[4:09:16] So I know this is, we're going to get into some spreadsheets that are large, but you have all
[4:09:20] your responses that we're here, and then I kind of unpacked them into projects, like, how
[4:09:27] did they work together?
[4:09:30] Staffing was number one with 26 responses.
[4:09:32] So what all their responses exactly staffing?
[4:09:37] No.
[4:09:37] Some of the responses had to do with staffing,
[4:09:40] so it would be a new position or a change in a position,
[4:09:43] or it was something along those lines.
[4:09:46] And you have a breakdown in your packet of how that impacts.
[4:09:52] It's an Excel spreadsheet where you can see kind of how staff combines.
[4:10:00] You have it here. Those into topics. This was sent to the city council and the department has, after I did this filter.
[4:10:10] Because I will admit, if somewhat more art than science at this point in time, it's like staffing included additional staff support, legacy planning staff, wages assistant assistant attorney.
[4:10:22] In-house engineer, foot-hills engineer, recognition of staff, volunteer coordinator, additional
[4:10:31] project management, reconfiguration of staff, organization structure, so there's a lot
[4:10:36] of things, but they all came down to staff.
[4:10:39] I sent this out on May 23rd, I heard back from Tracy, who had one question about the foot-hills
[4:10:45] and how we got put in and I think I addressed that, but I never heard back from a new
[4:10:50] and I sent it back out to you guys again and I still didn't hear back from you.
[4:10:55] So we then jumped into budget cycle and I admit we all got busy. I think summer is the hardest
[4:11:01] time to do things in the city because there's just so much going on. But I did have a
[4:11:06] felt meeting with the mayor and Councilwoman Russell on June 10th and kind of talked about
[4:11:11] like what does this look like where they comfortable with where it was. And in that discussion,
[4:11:17] then the conversation came to focus on the top 10
[4:11:19] and the begins scoping of how we would move forward.
[4:11:24] So what you have in front of you also
[4:11:26] is this crazy spreadsheet,
[4:11:28] and I know I love spreadsheet,
[4:11:29] you all know that about me, they're color coded.
[4:11:31] So these colors here are these top 10 match,
[4:11:34] the color coding of these top 10.
[4:11:36] And you have this in paper form
[4:11:37] because it is not gonna be able to be read on the screen.
[4:11:40] I know that.
[4:11:43] But what we talked about is how do we shift
[4:11:46] from large issues and concerns to actionable items.
[4:11:50] What do we do?
[4:11:51] And how do we start talking about strategically planning?
[4:11:54] And as we talked about in that May 22nd workshop,
[4:11:57] some things will be being worked on today.
[4:12:01] And some things are in the current budget.
[4:12:03] Some of them are being partially addressed.
[4:12:05] Some of them may be future budget items.
[4:12:07] But how do we do that?
[4:12:08] So in my conversations with Councilwoman Russell
[4:12:11] and the mayor, we kind of talked about these kind of pillars,
[4:12:14] which are in white, which was like, what's the current status of this issue? Are there potential
[4:12:20] solutions? Is there a council liaison? Because some of them did have a council liaison,
[4:12:25] most of them don't, but some of them did. So what are the political impacts of some of these items
[4:12:31] not being addressed? Is there staff capacity issues? Is there key projects staff that we need to
[4:12:38] integrate as we go through a strategic planning process? Is there a fiscal impact to the city
[4:12:43] if something doesn't get done, or we do do something,
[4:12:46] is there impact to our partnerships that we function under?
[4:12:51] And then, if it's clear, you're 25 budget impact,
[4:12:53] because as we've been doing this as we know,
[4:12:55] for since May, the budget's been being developed.
[4:12:59] And so sometimes, some of these solutions are being
[4:13:01] happened, and then there's potential project
[4:13:03] directives and implementation.
[4:13:05] Now, I want to put this on the record.
[4:13:06] These are not perfect.
[4:13:09] This was illustrative for us to have a conversation.
[4:13:13] But the goal was to kind of see how we could begin unpacking these and how do we move
[4:13:18] forward in a more strategic way? Are there things the Council wants to consider this list
[4:13:24] of projects, directors, and implementation may be too big, and it may not be enough. And so
[4:13:31] how do we start talking through that? So staff in consultation with Councilwoman Russell the mayor
[4:13:37] was like, I'm good. You guys now go do this.
[4:13:43] We populated as much of this table as we felt comfortable
[4:13:45] doing and bring it to you for your kind of conversation discussion. On tent is to move forward
[4:13:54] with a portion of these. I don't know that tent is the right number either. The mayor as always says,
[4:14:01] you know, you got three, maybe five that you're trying to do. But I wanted you to see kind of the
[4:14:06] things that came out. So you're top three, you're staffing the foothills and office storage
[4:14:11] space. And then you could add in fiscal planning, the comprehensive plan. There's a
[4:14:17] clear break. You can kind of see the point scoring kind of what comes off. The intensets
[4:14:22] for these to be strategically planned with directives coming from the council as to how we
[4:14:27] move forward or as there are other things that we need to accomplish.
[4:14:31] So, the next step is the first question I have for you, is this the direction council wants to go?
[4:14:38] Do you still want to be doing this strategic planning with these items that were identified on that May 22nd?
[4:14:44] Because you have every right to say Nicole, we have moved past it and I will go okay and I'll find something else to do with my time.
[4:14:53] or you can say now as this is still really important but we don't
[4:14:57] want to do the talk to because it's just too much to unpack.
[4:15:00] 2. To check if planning should be happening on an annual basis in most cities, they do some council retreats or something like that.
[4:15:07] They can kind of work through these issues. The issues adapt and change as projects get completed.
[4:15:13] You can look at this list and there are several projects in both your capital plan and our new budget that will accomplish some of this in the next year or year and a half.
[4:15:22] So, then the question is, are any concerns or clarifications you want?
[4:15:27] The intent would be for us to take this, pick a topic and start unpacking it, start answering
[4:15:33] those questions collectively, having conversations collectively about where do we go, what
[4:15:39] do you want to see, how do things happen.
[4:15:42] And then where do we go from here?
[4:15:45] You know, when do you want to meet again, what is the number of projects, the 2, 5, 10,
[4:15:49] Please don't pick 27,
[4:15:52] but if you chose 27 we figured out and then, you know, how do you want your department has participation?
[4:15:58] At this point in time, the council directed and invited the staff, the department heads into these conversations to sit at the table with them.
[4:16:06] It was a very open conversation with all of you.
[4:16:10] Does the council want to make this theirs and then bring staff back as a resource?
[4:16:14] Do you want to continue this as an open table conversation with all your department heads and director levels?
[4:16:19] stuff. So, those are the questions I have. You guys have lots of meetings on your calendar right now
[4:16:25] because it's summer and we're writing the budget. Maybe tomorrow we'll have less stress on that,
[4:16:33] but who knows? But we wanted to get back to you. I don't want you to feel like we met on the 22nd
[4:16:39] and it just late. It's been laying fellow. It hasn't been. It's just, you know, first things,
[4:16:45] first last things never, right?
[4:16:47] And that's part of the reason for the conversation
[4:16:49] about the number of projects.
[4:16:50] You want to unpack, and which ones do you want to do?
[4:16:52] If you don't want to do the top five, you could pick three
[4:16:55] projects on here that you feel are the most pressing
[4:16:58] for the council involvement, and we could choose those
[4:17:01] the ones to unpack.
[4:17:03] And I think with the mayor and council room wrestle,
[4:17:07] if you have something to add, I think that's kind of where
[4:17:09] we're at for this process to start talking that way.
[4:17:12] And then start talking about where we go from here.
[4:17:17] Thank you, Nicole, for all your work on this.
[4:17:22] My first impression would be to schedule another meeting.
[4:17:30] And I'm sort of leaning toward maybe we tackle the top three.
[4:17:35] First, in my opinion, the office in the storage space should be an easy one to knock off this list.
[4:17:43] There's been money in the budget for the clerk mayor office revision as well as the community hall desk space.
[4:17:57] So I would feel comfortable tackling the top three with the thought that number three could be pretty well taken care of rather quickly.
[4:18:07] and we have the funding. So let's just get it done and then I don't know. I haven't
[4:18:19] thought about I think we just need to discuss if this is a council workshop only
[4:18:24] maybe initially.
[4:18:29] Any other thoughts?
[4:18:34] Mr. May area. Council on Russell I agree I was
[4:18:37] going to go with the three but not necessarily the top three and I was going to
[4:18:41] off a little bit more than I think we could chew by popping in the comprehensive plants,
[4:18:45] but I like the office storage spaces that are a third option, so at least we can have something
[4:18:49] that we can check off as far as timing goes. I think potentially doing it just as a
[4:18:55] council only and maybe a little bit more towards September-ish. If that makes a little bit more sense,
[4:19:03] kind of get off the summer a little bit and through budget stuff and we can tackle this word cloud
[4:19:11] again, do another one.
[4:19:13] It was fun, right?
[4:19:14] It was.
[4:19:15] Mr. Mayor.
[4:19:17] I agree.
[4:19:18] I think initially Council only.
[4:19:20] But then as we break it down, maybe, and it's more specific, we bring in the appropriate
[4:19:25] Department has, like, smaller conversations.
[4:19:28] I think the first one was great.
[4:19:29] It was great.
[4:19:30] Kind of a meet and greet, get to know where everybody's coming from, and what they do.
[4:19:34] So I really enjoyed that.
[4:19:35] So I'd like us to have another great, you know, one that includes everybody.
[4:19:39] But initially I think to get started just council and then one or two department heads and not a few things out and then we move on and bring in the other ones
[4:19:52] So I do like putting some effort into the comp plan too. So I would agree with
[4:20:00] And fall sounds great.
[4:20:07] Cool.
[4:20:08] On the call question, number one, on the staffing. Aren't you already addressing that in your budget
[4:20:14] requests, the different departments and their budget requests?
[4:20:18] So, why is that? Why is that in the number one priority now?
[4:20:22] Well, it's number one based upon the number of times a staffing issue came up as part of the word cloud process.
[4:20:29] that, that, that voting process. And that's part of what needs to be discussed is what, what's next?
[4:20:36] We knew the fiscal year 25 budget would address some of it. But you have some things in here still that are dealing with
[4:20:45] reconfiguration, organizational structure, in-house versus contract staff. And some things like that that maybe
[4:20:53] part of your budget, but they may not be completely unpacked at the council level as to
[4:20:58] directives and how they want to move forward.
[4:21:01] So, okay.
[4:21:03] And I will say this after having gone through the horrible Jackson property the other day.
[4:21:08] I think we're really a miss by not putting more emphasis on that.
[4:21:14] I didn't realize it until I went through that.
[4:21:17] That was I opening.
[4:21:20] Yeah, I mean Mayor, Mayor, and Councilman Kwame, I mean we're all Jackson and property has
[4:21:26] 85,000 dollars in the budget for Carey 4. Certainly there's some structural integrity
[4:21:30] but I also provided to you the concept of using some of your ARPA funds to do a strategic
[4:21:36] plan for that facility. What are we doing with it? Because that was the challenge we had
[4:21:40] when we dealt with the old park place extension and did we want to sell the property,
[4:21:48] this
[4:21:48] know what that looks like, agreed.
[4:21:52] You know, that's kind of why I recommend it that we get a committee that accelerates
[4:21:56] that activity.
[4:21:58] Mr. Mayor, and I think after our walk through the Jackson House, Eric was there, and
[4:22:05] he had said that they identified the roof in the chimney, you know, the structural things,
[4:22:11] but then with the investment in the, you know, time passage, it's good to give the residents,
[4:22:16] You know, the visual that we're taking care of their, their investment there and clean up the outside
[4:22:22] and tackle the yard and just kind of do a basic cleanup.
[4:22:26] And then have the meetings and committee work to decide, well, what are we going to do on the inside?
[4:22:32] But, yeah, clean it up on the outside and let people know that we're not wasting their money.
[4:22:39] So just as a clarification of what I heard, top three are staffing,
[4:22:42] foot hills and opens office a storage space unless I'm hearing that you want the jackson house to be brought for.
[4:22:52] I'm hearing these are going to be initially council discussions about how and what we want to see.
[4:22:59] You want to see and then finally the next meeting would be in September timeline.
[4:23:03] I don't want you to think that I'm ignoring you.
[4:23:06] So we started this in May and now we're in July.
[4:23:09] And if you want it to go to September, I'm happy to move it to September, because that makes things like breathe easily, or easily easier, but I just want to make sure that we're not, it's not laying fallow for you to feel like we just ignored what was going forward.
[4:23:24] So is that correct? I mean, it's not emotion. It's just kind of a, yeah, that sounds comfortable from moving forward.
[4:23:31] Sounds good.
[4:23:32] So I'll continue to work with Mayor Pike and Councilwoman Russell on how we scope these moving forward and get you ready for a workshop in September.
[4:23:40] Yeah. And we're not going to have fiscal planning now, the budget.
[4:23:44] I mean, we can, we can. We could budget the fill and move that outer. And I think to one of the other things is to move forward with the Jackson House.
[4:23:52] We need to figure out who's going to do the work. So that's a component within the staffing. And I like the fact that it's got retention and legacy planning too.
[4:24:00] But I think also job attract men as well, too, to bring in additional staffing and fill some
[4:24:07] gaps.
[4:24:08] So thanks Nicole for your color coding.
[4:24:11] Makes it so much easier.
[4:24:13] That's too much.
[4:24:13] God bless you and your spreadsheets.
[4:24:16] I don't know how to do those.
[4:24:17] Council.
[4:24:18] I think you've got direction.
[4:24:19] Correct.
[4:24:20] I do.
[4:24:20] Thank you.
[4:24:21] Thanks.
[4:24:22] All right.
[4:24:23] We're going to move on to number 11, which I assume the people that are still here want to do public
[4:24:28] comment.
[4:24:29] Now the time is reserved for the public to address their elected officials regarding concerns
[4:24:33] and comments.
[4:24:34] They would like to provide for the City Council regarding any matter up to and including
[4:24:39] any subject on the agenda with the exception of public hearing and land use items.
[4:24:44] Comments regarding public hearing and land use items need to be made during the open public
[4:24:48] comment portion for said items in accordance with the Idaho code.
[4:24:52] At times, the City Council may seek comments, opinions regarding specific city matters.
[4:25:00] The public hearing, a land use item, stirring there a lot of time. Out of courtesy for all the whoish to speak, the city council request that each speaker be limited in their comments to three minutes. Okay. So, who would like to, I think, Pete, you had written, Pete, I want Pete to be able to go first because he wrote his name down there and then he came up on a different time. So, you have Pete up, Pete will come up and then paddle up and then anybody else wants to speak, maybe, Brent.
[4:25:29] What are they?
[4:25:31] Yeah, okay. Yeah, go ahead. I mean make sure the clerk gets one.
[4:25:39] I thought maybe they were money or something.
[4:25:54] I'm Peter Robbins, 138 South Fandries Avenue, I'd like to apologize for speaking out
[4:26:01] of turn in my ignorance of city procedure, but here we are. Last November I brought a matter
[4:26:09] to the council's attention and to the best of my knowledge, absolutely nothing's been
[4:26:15] done about it. So I thought I'd bring it up one more time. I've got some pictures of old
[4:26:21] valley road, which is one of the main entranceways into my development river walk. And it is
[4:26:29] getting worse and worse every day. It's like all these trailers and garbage trucks and
[4:26:36] RVs and cars parked all along these roads.
[4:26:40] And I don't know if this is a city issue or an ACHD issue
[4:26:46] or what it is, but I'm asking for some help.
[4:26:51] Some of my neighbors called the police the other day.
[4:26:54] They came.
[4:26:54] They stuck a couple orange stickers on a couple of the trailers
[4:26:57] and then they just kind of shuffled them around
[4:27:00] so that they're within the letter of the law.
[4:27:04] But I can't believe that this is the spirit of the law, or what we want equal to be.
[4:27:12] So I'm just asking for a little bit of help.
[4:27:18] I think the solution is you post no parking signs along the road, and somebody might say,
[4:27:25] well, we can't do that, but you can.
[4:27:26] And I don't know how else to enforce it, because the police don't have the time or effort
[4:27:34] to patrol this tiny little stretch of road, and it is a big mess, and it's an eye sore
[4:27:41] to our neighborhood, and we would just like to get something done about it.
[4:27:47] So I'm just asking for some help.
[4:27:49] I'm just a little guy, sits in this wood shop all day long, and makes saw dust, and I don't
[4:27:56] know how to get it done. So I'm just asking for some help. Thank you.
[4:28:03] Well, we, I could tell you Peter, thank you your comments and your concerns. And we,
[4:28:09] we have addressed it a couple of asking for what we can do. But it is an ACHD road.
[4:28:16] I don't want to just palm that off as an excuse, but we'll have that conversation once again
[4:28:20] to see where it's at, but just like you said earlier, is they can 72 hours, they can
[4:28:26] scoot it up half a turn on the wheel, and they're legally, yeah, better the law they're
[4:28:31] compliant.
[4:28:32] I hear the law they're not, I agree with that.
[4:28:35] That's why you have to post no parking sign to, and to get to that level, that's that would
[4:28:40] be something that I think we have to work through ACG-4.
[4:28:43] And if I call ACHG, they're going to, you know, hang up on me because I think we'll contact
[4:28:49] I will contact him. I mean, again, I mean, we have a conversation. Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thank you.
[4:28:57] It's been.
[4:28:58] Thank you.
[4:28:58] You still have me in your entire body.
[4:29:01] I still owe me a guitar by the way.
[4:29:04] We're going to wait and wait at the car.
[4:29:05] Any time you would like, you have to talk to the guitars.
[4:29:08] Oh, you do. Oh, wow.
[4:29:10] So, yeah.
[4:29:11] Thank you.
[4:29:12] Thanks for hanging with us.
[4:29:14] All right.
[4:29:16] Thanks Pat. You're up.
[4:29:24] Mr. Mayor, council members, my name is Pat Chapman, I'm 1, 5, 7, 0 and North
[4:29:31] Presbycway, and I wanted to comment on Resolution 24-09 Eagle Senior Center
[4:29:42] Use policy, and I'm disappointed that I couldn't comment on it before you took the vote
[4:29:48] because now it's already in place.
[4:29:50] But I thought I'd stay up and come in on it anyway.
[4:29:55] As most of you know, I'm pretty active in the with the seniors.
[4:30:01] And when it was the non-profit, I was active there. And the reason I went to come in on it is because of the fee schedule that you now have set up.
[4:30:19] when Pat, we don't have Pat,
[4:30:21] which is a non-profit.
[4:30:23] Pat, we don't have a fee schedule yet.
[4:30:27] We, that'll be coming, Pat.
[4:30:29] That's not bad.
[4:30:30] And I apologize.
[4:30:31] My hearing aid batteries went dead a while back,
[4:30:35] and I can't hear squat.
[4:30:37] You're good though, but we have not set the fee up yet.
[4:30:40] Tracy, it's just alluded to that.
[4:30:42] We're going to come back with what the fees are.
[4:30:45] So yeah.
[4:30:45] This was just to use. It's just to use the alcohol.
[4:30:53] Well, there's there is no fees yet established.
[4:30:57] We will get yeah, we will get back not yet. We will be working on that and we'll get back to you.
[4:31:02] Okay, well, let me comment down. Okay, get back to the microphone so you can on the.
[4:31:06] Thank
[4:31:12] you. Okay. Anyway,
[4:31:21] by the way, when that was the non-profit, it was just an old building.
[4:31:26] And I was just kind of neutral in myself between the controversy between the non-profit
[4:31:32] in the city.
[4:31:33] I was kind of neutral.
[4:31:34] I was happy the way it was.
[4:31:36] Now it is so much better with the city.
[4:31:39] It is just so much in a lot of ways, it is so much better and it is a place where you want
[4:31:46] to be.
[4:31:47] Now, we're before, we're just an old building.
[4:31:50] But anyway, I belong to the 80 county life
[4:31:55] put militia.
[4:31:56] Back in the day, we always had our meetings there.
[4:31:58] The first two, the of the month.
[4:32:00] And I also know there's a church group that has their meetings
[4:32:04] there, and I don't know who else.
[4:32:07] And as far as establishing a fee schedule,
[4:32:10] I'm looking at the parks there, available after five o'clock
[4:32:14] on Saturdays and weekends, a library is available after five o'clock, and then Saturdays and
[4:32:22] Sundays, and the city has to pay for all those that for after hours use. When we use that building,
[4:32:31] I, with a nonprofit, with Crystal, when she was there, with Brian now managing that,
[4:32:38] commit to them a personal responsibility that we will leave it equal to or better than we found it.
[4:32:44] And I make sure that all the tables and chairs are in place.
[4:32:48] There's no trash, if there's no trash, the lights are turned off.
[4:32:52] The doors, I'm always the last one out.
[4:32:54] Make sure the doors are locked.
[4:32:56] Everything is in place equal to or better than we found it.
[4:33:02] And like many groups, you know, you need a venue to meet,
[4:33:06] but you don't have any money.
[4:33:08] Some people do.
[4:33:09] I doubt that the church group is there because they don't have any money.
[4:33:16] In fact, one night, well, let us see what's in meeting before last, there is an AA group
[4:33:23] that couldn't use their normal facility that particular night.
[4:33:29] We just moved over and used the other part for our meeting, and so we just take care of it
[4:33:37] And I would be very disappointed if we do have to have a fee schedule.
[4:33:44] The EMT training Saturday morning, we did pay for that at that time, but there's a lot
[4:33:53] of it.
[4:33:53] And I wanted to talk to you later, Ron, about that meeting as a venue for the SIRT training,
[4:34:00] which we've done.
[4:34:01] And we'll work on all that for it.
[4:34:03] We can talk to you later.
[4:34:03] I know it's after.
[4:34:04] No, thanks, Pat.
[4:34:05] Okay, thank you for. Thank you for. Thanks. All right, Brent. I know you want to come. I figure everybody has been sitting here with the steps in maybe Matt. Let's talk.
[4:34:24] My name is Brent Brockson. I love it. I'm 42 East Riversong. I decided to stay, which has my bedtime too, but because I want to talk to you about a couple things and it's important. The five day.
[4:34:39] written comment time frame that you have on all these hearings it's impossible these people
[4:34:44] that did this all this work and you did accept them tonight which was really generous
[4:34:50] of you I understand that but I had a hard time myself you saw my letters for the planning
[4:34:56] and zoning I couldn't get it in because I had a holiday.
[4:35:00] And I mean, I'm whole and I don't type very good. But I mean, trying to get the document documentation ready to present to you folks within a five day time horizon is just impossible.
[4:35:12] And all these people that came, you know, some of them talked to me and I'm just like, I mean, they're not accepted if you don't meet this five.
[4:35:20] And I would have not got mine in. If my cabinet called me, I know him. I called him because the first time I asked for public records.
[4:35:29] but that's a three-day minimum and sometimes longer.
[4:35:33] And during that period of time we had a holiday then too.
[4:35:37] So that was a problem.
[4:35:39] And you all know this, because you're sitting here,
[4:35:41] I can't imagine why you signed up for this.
[4:35:45] But you all know this, and it's really difficult for us,
[4:35:48] as citizens, and I mean, I'm a former legislator,
[4:35:51] all of that.
[4:35:52] It's still difficult for me to come up and testify.
[4:35:56] I used to do it all the time,
[4:35:57] and all that, and never bothered me, it bothers me a lot now because you have Mike Williams who
[4:36:02] is an absolute expert at everything pertaining to this stuff. So how do an ACHD, how do I go and say,
[4:36:11] well, ACHD, what Mike Williams said was incorrect about ACHD, how can I say that? Because you're an expert
[4:36:18] at that, you already know the answer to that. So it really puts us citizens in a disadvantage. I mean,
[4:36:24] I think you probably already know that everyone speaks their mind to the extent they can and
[4:36:29] want them, but try to be professional and all of that.
[4:36:32] Some get on a hand and all at you've heard all of it, I'm sure.
[4:36:35] But please reconsider the five days, because that is just almost impossible for the average
[4:36:41] citizen to do if especially something that's big, like this big subdivision.
[4:36:46] There's so many nuances in that.
[4:36:48] You could say about the eagles, you could do, you know, pick your battle, you could go,
[4:36:51] there's 30 things, you know?
[4:36:54] And so it's impossible really to do it in five days
[4:36:57] and do a really good job unless you're hiring,
[4:37:00] turning in to have a staff to do it.
[4:37:02] So anyway, that was my comments.
[4:37:03] Thanks so much.
[4:37:04] Thank you so much.
[4:37:05] Thank you so much.
[4:37:06] Thank you.
[4:37:09] All right, well, we do not have any executive session tonight.
[4:37:13] So yeah, so I'll entertain a motion to adjourn.
[4:37:16] Oh, motion to adjourn.
[4:37:18] Oh.
[4:37:20] OK, we have about, I think we have about it.
[4:37:22] We have a motion in a second. Okay. All in favor say aye. I. I. I. Meeting each other. Thank you.