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for a and opening permit is for a
driveway that is involving current lot

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26 and lot 26.02.
Now it's going to be 26.03

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and 26.02. I find it astonishing that
this is what has to happen because you

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would think these things would just run
with the lambs, but this is what John

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has advised DOT is requiring. Um so
that's going to take a while to do. And

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um Mr. Mattis also has received his
wetlands LOI. So um that's received and

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I believe that you have a copy of that,
Mr. O'Brien. Is that correct?

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» Yes.
>> Okay. Um, so and then also the other

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area of environmental concern was that
they did a tank scan and found a tank

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that was soil implicated. So that was
cleaned up just with some soil

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excavation and I believe that's the one
we expect to be closed out first.

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Although they'll probably both be under
the same NJD closure document. I need to

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see some more of that paperwork. And
then I think Mr. Mattis also didn't

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recommend that they've received their
soil erosion and sediment control plan

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certification as well from the county.
So there's a lot of things that are in

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place. Yeah, he's received it. He's
received it and he had to drill the

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wells in order to um to submit the
septic permit

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» which was new to satisfy.
>> And just so that you know um in order to

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you know basically save applicants money
um we just usually do an approval by

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motion and you know it'll be in the
minutes. So you'll get a letter from the

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board secretary with the board's
decision

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» with no resolution you mean?
>> Yeah, I won't do we don't do a

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resolution. That's fine by me.
>> Yeah, it'll be a letter and and um

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saying that that's just how the board
voted

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» on it. Okay, great.
>> So,

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» is anyone does anyone need more
information?

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» I I just have a question. Um is there
any regulation in terms of limiting the

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amount of extensions that you're able to
obtain?

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» I believe there is and you're kind of
reading my mind because I just learned

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about what's going on with the NJD
stuff. I'm a little concerned that six

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months might not be quite enough time.
That was the request originally, but I

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believe Sharon, is it two extensions?
>> Um, we did quite a few for another

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application.
>> We've done them. Yeah, we've continued

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to extend, you know, if if you if it's
good reason. And the thing is is that if

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you're if you're um hampered by an
outside agency approval that's not

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within your, you know, control. And
that's what happened in the other

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situation, too. So, um, you know, what
we're doing is basically saying, you

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know, give yourself a guess and then
come back again if you need another one.

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» Yeah.
>> Are you comfortable with six months?

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» I think so. Um,
>> they really want to get it done faster

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than that. And
>> it

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» we'll just have to we'll come back.
Maybe if it's left, maybe Craig will

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come by himself even. But
>> yeah, I I would say go for either six or

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nine months.
>> How about nine then?

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» Yeah.
months too at the end of the six months.

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True. Outside work also.
>> Sure.

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» And it's just protection. It doesn't
mean that the whole project will slow

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down.
>> Try to get it done as quickly as

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possible.
>> Okay. So, um is that okay?

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» October November. So, that would make it
November.

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» Wait, what's her extension? Um
>> was request for it for six months.

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» Yes.
>> So, three months after that.

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» Um
>> So, what would that date be? February,

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March, April, May, May, uh, May 26, 27.
Three extra months.

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» Yeah. March.

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» So, may I have a motion to approve the
request from J from Craig and Janine

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Mattis to um extend the time to perfect
the subdivision nine months to March 26,

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2027.
>> Sandis and a second from Mr. Kanachi.

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And can we take a rope off?

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» Is it you can take a um it's you know
individual vote.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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» And and you only need seven members
because we're acting as board of

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adjustments. So I'm not sure where
everybody is on the alternate.

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» Okay.
So, Emily dead.

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» Yeah.

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» I think you need
>> Yes.

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» Michael McGovern.
>> Yes.

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» Richie.
>> Yes.

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» Candace Wigum.
>> Yes.

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» Matthew.
>> Yes. And then back.

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» Motion is adopted. Approved.

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[laughter]
>> Seriously. Excuse

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me.

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» Okay.

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» Yeah. Okay.

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Okay, last but not least, um we have an
application in front of us from outfront

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media to modernize an existing sign.
This is just a complete um a um

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» completeness review. Thank you.
It will be a three-parter. It's the

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appeal of a zoning officer
following a D1 variance. If that doesn't

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if they don't succeed in that, does it
sound familiar? And then if they don't

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succeed in the D1, it will be a D3
variance. The application was originally

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» It says D3, but is it D2? Okay, my bad.
>> D2.

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» They asked for a D2 because D3 is
conditional use.

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» Okay, so D. This would be D2, expansion
of a previously existing, legally

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existing non-conforming use or the D1.
>> We originally received the application

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just so people have some context in no
November of 2024. They went quiet. It

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was deemed incomplete. They went quiet
for a while. Apparently, they were

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working with an adjacent municipality
that and that was resolved and so

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they're not now back before us. And Mr.
O'Brien has reviewed and

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did an updated complete list memo and
I'll let you take it from there. Where

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are we?
>> Okay. So, the previous comments from the

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board
were

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let's see

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from the January 2nd 25 response from
the board. They had some items they

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needed to provide new ement and
covenants which they have. The plans now

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show a rightaway easement to Hunter
County on 514.

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And then A33 was photographs. They
provided that of the existing building

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and the property from May 31st of 25.
Existing natural features,

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wildlife habitats, soil type, prime
farmland. So they have everything except

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the habitat. So when I looked on the
Jersey [clears throat] Fish and Wildlife

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landscape project, it shows that there
this property is within rank two special

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concern. So I think what they would need
to do is just put that on the map on the

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plan. Note that there is habitat there.
>> Okay.

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» So that we can do a better review of
that once it comes in for technical.

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» Okay. Okay. So I mean I would recommend
they

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we grant them a waiver for completeness
only for that item at this point.

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» Meaning that
>> before we hear it they need to do that

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» 10 days before the hearing they should
submit revised plans just with that note

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on them.
>> Okay.

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» That there is rank two special concern
habitat on that property.

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» Yep.
>> Is this the obscure? Is this a red bats?

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» Yes.
>> Eastern red bat. Right.

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» We're very

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Okay.
>> And then P63 was this the location,

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size, dimensions of the sign. So the
sheet 3 has been pres revised and now

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shows that information.
>> Okay. But the new submission that they

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gave us brought up a new completeness
item in that

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P3 requires the plans to be sealed by a
professional and these are not sealed

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or actually signed by the professional.
They're labeled as progress prints from

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Gladstone Design.
>> So again, that would be a waiver for

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completeness only at this point 10 days
prior to the hearing. submit signed and

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sealed plans to the board so that can be
satisfy that completeness item. So if

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the board is agreeable to issue those
waiverss for P3 and P29, they can be

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deemed complete at the discretion of the
board.

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» I just have one question. I'm looking
back at the original completeness

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review. Were there some waiverss that we
agreed that were agreed to before that

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we need to make sure we're aware of?
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» I was under the assumption they were
already agreed to, but I mean they are

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listed.
>> Yeah, I guess you technically they

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probably were.
>> This was before we were doing

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completeness reviews. So, apparently
when they got that January 2nd email,

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the only one
>> the only ones in there were the

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photographs and so yeah, by definition
and they Okay, fair enough.

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» Yeah. I don't know if we can you want to
go over them again or jump up to the

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» They're all in writing here. So,
going to take one second just to look at

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them again. It's been a minute.
I It has been more recent than November

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though.

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The waiver requests um building there is
no building.

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a lot size net grow. So gross and net
acreage for all existing and proposed

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lots
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and location of trails. So that's seems
reasonable to

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» right they all seem reasonable from what
>> okay

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I'm just gonna

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Okay, I think we're good. I'm going to
look I'll I will take a quick look at

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that. If there's anything I feel like we
really need, we can we can at least ask

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for
>> right hearing. It's been before the

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hearing. Yeah,
>> it looked reasonable to me when I looked

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through them.
>> Yeah, it's been a minute. That's all I

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was uh the only one I'm looking at is
proposed lighting plan. So that was the

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one I was but I guess that's that goes
to the sign itself. So I think we're

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good. Okay.
>> Right. I think that'll be more technical

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when we get there. I mean
>> Okay.

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» I don't think they have any out up
lights or anything on it, but we'll see

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when we submit it.
>> Yeah. So really it is um

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waiverss for checklist item P3 and P29
for for completeness only and they need

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to get all that into 10 days in advance,
>> right?

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» Okay.
Anyone else have any questions?

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No. No. Okay.
May I have a motion to find the

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application? Hold. Let me hold on a
second. Let me get the name of this

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» outront Media.
>> Outfront from Outfront Media

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» LLC
>> LLC.

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um
>> block 15, lot one with the appeal from a

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zoning officer and then the D1 or D2. Um
may I have a motion to find the

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application complete
pending re for for completeness only and

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then there's the two items they'll need
to give us 10 days in advance. May I

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have a motion to approve that? That was
>> okay.

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» Okay. Roll call.
>> Emily Deadweiler.

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» Yes.
>> Beth Hussein.

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» Yes.
>> Matthew Kova.

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» Yes.
>> Lance.

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» Yes.
>> Mike McGovern.

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» Yes.
>> Rich Katnac.

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» Yes.
>> And

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» yes.

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» Okay. Motion is adopted.
May I have a motion to

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» have a question?
>> Go ahead.

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» Does that mean that I cannot part of the
review of this application?

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» You are the alternate for that for this.
So you can be

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» Yeah, you can. You have another
question. Is there another?

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» Yeah, I guess it
>> I guess my question is it's has an alter

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in it. How did How did I do that as an
alternate?

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» You can.
>> I'm a regular member.

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» Alternate.
>> No, I'm not.

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» Class class two member.
>> I'm mistaken then. I'm sorry.

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» No, no, I'm just, you know, I mean, I
wasn't here for the original application

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when it came in in February. But
>> they haven't made they haven't done

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their hearing yet.
>> We haven't done it,

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» right? And I understand that.
>> But I just wanted to clarify because

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that's
>> Oh, you're a regular member. I I got

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myself confused then because there were
>> you know we'll resolve that

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» if there is
still the said yes though so few I could

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» I'm supposed to be a class two member

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» I truly could
>> there were so many changes at the

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beginning and I'm so sorry um but even
if you were an alternate you would be

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able to participate in the hearing ask
questions it just comes down to fin. But

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yeah, fair enough. Okay.

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» Yeah. May I have a motion to adjurnn?
>> Matt, may I have a second? Anybody want

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to second that motion to adjurnn?
[laughter]

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» Mr. Mr. Kadanachi. Without objection, we
are adjourned.

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» May I before we leave, may I just make a
comment?

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At the last meeting, we talked about uh
about the litigation

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the brief and and
I had some concerns and my voice.

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First of all, let me say I'm very very
pleased that to read the brief. Uh it's

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a it's a great job. The preliminary
statement kind of says it all. it says

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basically is that
>> let's not read

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anyway
>> it's a great job

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» okay
>> there is no I also talked about the

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people thing I sat down with some of my
younger