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Okay. At this time, I'll call the uh

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August 10th, 2026 uh city council work

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meeting to order. [clears throat]

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Need somebody to make a motion adopt

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agenda.

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» Make a motion to adopt.

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» Second.

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» Motion. Second. All in favor?

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» Item three, oppose budget.

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» Mr. Mayor and Council, we are bringing

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the budget discussion back this evening.

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Um, we had brought it prior and there

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was a desire to bring it back uh to be

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able to review it a little bit more in

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depth and uh and to then bring questions

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back if there were any. And uh and so

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we're here this evening to answer some

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of those questions.

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one of our department heads is going to

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be running just a little bit late. So,

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um but anyways, uh just to by way of

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background, we received inputs from the

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city council department heads union

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contract put a budget uh model and book

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together and that was what was presented

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to you um the other council evening.

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Nothing has changed in that uh since

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that time. But again, just by way of uh

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kind of a reminder, the um the

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[clears throat] union contract has a 3%

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COLA increase for nine union and 13

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non-UN members, 40 paid on call

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firefighters per the union contract.

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There is an increase of two $1,510 per

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month for the cafeteria contribution for

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the healthcare benefit and overall

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salary and benefits uh increased by

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$21,000

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over 2026.

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the law enforcement contract uh is a

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3.9% increase or $62,000

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from the prior contract. Uh city

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assessor is a 1% or a $500 change. city

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attorney is a 0% change. Metro Inet uh

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which is the joint powers agreement that

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we have uh for it work is a $6,000

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increase and the audit contract is a

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$2,000 increase. Those kind of just

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identify some of the um um cost drivers.

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the equipment replacement fund. We um

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have increased that by $40,000 to

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account for um some of the deficiencies

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that were in that fund, particularly as

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it related to the fire department. Not a

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fault of the fire department, but just

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some of the cost increases we're seeing.

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We've had to account for that. Uh street

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capital fund we increase by $50,000

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every year. The cost of uh asphalt keeps

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keeps going up. Um and uh so we try and

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offset that with an increase of 50,000

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and the park capital fund increases by

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10,000 annually as well. You'll see the

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note in there again. We spoke about this

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last time. Uh there's a state fire aid

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contribution of $114,000 and this is an

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offset with the same revenue amount uh

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that uh comes through for that. So this

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is budget neutral, doesn't impact um the

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proposed levy, which is 5.8% 8% this

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year. Um I know that um I sat in on some

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meetings and 5.8

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uh is on the lower end of increases out

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there right now. Um not that we're a

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county, but I think I I just saw Dakota

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County was 19%

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increase. So costs are going up

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significantly. Um

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you see it when you pull up to the pump,

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you see it when you pay your electric

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bill. We see it here as well for the

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some of those costs. and um and so we

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try and try and keep it as low as

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possible and uh keep it as reasonable as

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possible for the residents. We feel that

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they're getting a a very good value for

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what they've gotten in the past and

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certainly going forward with this

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proposed budget. So, we stand for any

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questions if you have any. Um and

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hopefully we're prepared to answer

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those.

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Well, I'm just going to comment. I

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screded at trying to find something to

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cut to try to get it under 5% because I

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think this is the highest increase we've

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had in years, decades maybe. Um,

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and with the fire trucks that are so

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desperately needed and um,

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noticed there was nothing in there about

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a maintenance fund.

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Am I correct or did I miss it? I was

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wondering if we could split the addition

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of the vehicle fund in half and put half

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of it in it and start a maintenance fund

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using that.

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» Yeah. Um Mr. Chair and council members,

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we we do set aside $50,000 every year

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for a maintenance. You're talking

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building maintenance. Yeah. Um, we've

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identified, remember we did a cost uh

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analysis

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» And that that's the fund I'm talking

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about the cost to cover some of the

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stuff that our future needs in that

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because things are deteriorating,

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» Right? Um, we we touched on this a

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little bit in the last meeting. Um,

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there was uh we had them go through a

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fine tooth comb of how old are your

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boilers, how is your roof, you know,

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when when do things need to be replaced?

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and they came up with a $2.5 million

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bill. It's significant.

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» I know.

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» Um so in combination with that, we had a

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space need study done. We have, for

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example, um you know, Nate shop over

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there. There's very little room to park

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vehicles and work on vehicles. It it can

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create a dangerous situation there. We

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have for the firefighters, we have um um

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a a decontamination

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requirement that we need to meet coming

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up. uh that uh we need to retrofit some

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of the fire stations to accommodate for

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that. Um and uh and so we're kind of

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looking at this whole idea as one. In

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other words, um the 2.5 million would be

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part of whatever cost would be needed

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for these space changes that that would

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be required. And um and that would be

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part of a a bond, if you will, to to

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offset that. You know, um we can set

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aside $100,000, but $100,000 a year is

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not really going to make much of a dent

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um in a $2.5 million, you know, backlog

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essentially of deferred maintenance. Um

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so, yes, it is a concern. We have our

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eye on that ball certainly. Uh we're not

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neglecting that at all. We're certainly

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not kicking a can down the road. Uh we

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have been replacing things as they, for

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example, the fire stations had a couple

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of HVAC units go out. We've been

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replacing those things with the dollars

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on hand. Um been managing to do that. Um

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if everything blew up tomorrow, we'd

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have a major problem. But likely that

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won't happen. Um, you know, there's when

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you're when you're dealing with heating,

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ventilation, air conditioning, they

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always give you the option of, well, we

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can fix it, which you might get x amount

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of time out of it, or you can replace

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it, and then they give you a price

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comparison for that. Um, but, uh, you

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know, you're talking fixtures like sinks

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and toilets and things. They're not

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going to break tomorrow necessarily. Uh,

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but they do have lifespan and they will

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need to be replaced at some point or

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another. Um,

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so yes, we're definitely

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we're definitely concerned about that uh

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that storm cloud in the future, you

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might say, and we're planning for that.

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the equipment um you know, you said you

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said about splitting it or whatever. The

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equipment is um few years back the fire

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department purchased two two engines

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that were a good deal back then. Very

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smart financial choice to do back then.

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Unfortunately, when those two come due

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for replacement,

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now you're dealing with today's prices

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on two of them. So, we've we've

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staggered that now so that it's not a

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two unit replacement at the same time.

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It's one and then one in the future and

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and kind of getting it on that schedule.

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And that's really what those dollars are

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for is um is preparing for those future

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expenses

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um in the capital improvement budget

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» Or the plan the plan which produces the

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budget for the future.

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» And when is the um [clears throat]

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final vote on this budget?

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» September 14th is the preliminary vote

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we would take and then

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» And we have one more meeting for it. So

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if I come up with something, I can bring

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that to the attention at the next

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» You can always do that. Yep.

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» Okay. [clears throat]

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» You can go lower, you can't go higher

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after after that vote. Yeah.

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» My question is [clears throat] with the

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sheriff's budget, has anybody really

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looked into this on how we could save

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money with the sheriff? If any

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negotiations with them at all?

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This discussion comes up every year in

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terms of where they're at and what

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they're proposing. I I know they're not

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proposing any increase in hours or

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anything like that,

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» Right?

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» Um the

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you know I I think you that discussion

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needs to be evaluated with the calls,

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» The number of calls we're getting, which

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we seem to be getting an uptick in in

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some calls. Thankfully, some of the

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serious ones are are trending down, but

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um some of the other ones, your your

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thefts or your, you know, assaults or

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things like that seem to be trending up

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and that generates a call and u time and

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and you know, and then the nexus plays

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in there as well, which generate has

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generated a lot of calls in the past.

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Thankfully with a reduced uh um

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» Amount of people

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» Amount of people your calls have been

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reduced dramatically which which is good

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» Because that had a a budget impact to us

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» Right because I got a print out that I

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want you to look at and you go over it

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another time but uh I'll sit down with

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you and go over this with ideas. You

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don't have to look at it now. We can do

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it after. Okay.

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» But uh I mean just for an example I

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don't know if everybody remembers

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at when Derek did his report on the

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budget the last meeting that I didn't

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catch it right away. Tim Miller actually

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caught it and we talked about it. But

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Derek stated that East Bethl buys a new

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squad car every year.

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So my thought, well, it wasn't my

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thought, it was Tim's thought. He said

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that, okay, at the end of the year, why

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don't we own that car then? Why don't we

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if we're buying it, it should come back

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to us and we can sell that car to

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somebody else. So, this has been going

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on for who knows how many years. But

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it's stuff like that. If you look into

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it, we can probably change things. So,

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that's just one example. So, it's just a

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thought. It's like if we're buying a

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squad car every year, then we should

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probably get one back at the end of the

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year and then we can sell it for

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whatever somewhere to recoup the money

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so the have to pay all this stuff, but

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there's different ways to look at the

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budget, that part of it, too. You know,

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there's different things to look at.

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Just something to go by negotiations on

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it. So, once you get a chance to read

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that, get a hold of me, we can talk.

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» I would I would assume on on that on a

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vehicle like that, part of it

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depreciation and then they're getting

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the cars cheaper, too.

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» Sure. But the point is we're buying it.

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» Yeah. No, we back at the end of the

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year. We could sell it for what we can

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sell it for. Yeah, my my guess, and it's

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just a guess at this point, is that they

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say that a car cost X number of dollars.

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It probably actually costs more than

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that, but they're factoring in the

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amount of money that they would get an

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auction for that vehicle.

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» I don't know. Police cars.

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» Yeah, police cars are kind of hot. You

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know, people like them. They generally

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have bigger motors or

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» They're fast [laughter] and they're

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wellmaintained

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» And they're super wellmaintained. Um,

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exactly.

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» So they they pull a premium, but it's a

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val valuable question because without

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» Hearing directly from them, no, we

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factor that in. It's only a guess.

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» Exactly. That's why I just figured we

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might as well check it and see.

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» Mike, I got a question on the fire

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budget here. Um,

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why is it we're not showing the 2% money

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from last year? There's no nothing

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budgeted in there.

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Why was that blank? And this year we're

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back to it.

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[clears throat]

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» Yeah, for some reason we don't have that

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even listed in 26.

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» I'm just going to bring this up so I can

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find what you're referencing here.

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» It' be uh 128.

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Yep.

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» Yep.

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» So right there. So, this is where the

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transition actually hit somewhere in

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there. And my assumption was because it

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doesn't actually hit the city's bank

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account that we wouldn't have to account

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for it. So, I took it out of your

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budget. So, that was that whole note

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then saying at audit time, I actually

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have to book this in as an expense out

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and the revenue in.

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» Right. I agree with that. I was just

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curious. I didn't see it on the budget

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sheet.

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» Yeah. So, it wasn't on there. So, it

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must not have been brought to my

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attention, I guess, at that time when

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the budget went in. So, but when the

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2026 is done, when this is actually in

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there, you'll see a number in there

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right there.

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» So, for 26, I must I took it out because

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again, it never actually does hit the

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city's books. So,

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» No, I know that just

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for documentation.

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» Yeah. But yeah, when there's when the

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actuals come in, it'll show right here.

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So,

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» Okay.

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» Yep. And that'll obviously be a variance

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to the budget, but there'll also be a

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variance to the budget on top with the

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revenue. The revenue comes in.

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» That's why it shows

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» Yeah. So, the revenue doesn't have

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anything.

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» Fire department at 15.5%.

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» Yeah. Exactly. So, if you take

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[laughter] if you take that out, if you

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take out the fire aid, you're back down

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to 5%. Jeeoff and I that was one we

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talked about because it looks a little

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concerning, right? when you have a 15%

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increase, but it's because we're adding

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in kind of a non it's kind of an

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accounting entry at the end of the year.

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» No, you know, so the fire department

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budget's actually 5% if you would just

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kind of take that part out. But yeah, so

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in 26 we didn't budget for it

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um on the revenue side or the expense

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side, but now since we know that we have

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to do an accounting entry basically put

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that back in there, we add it back to

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the budget.

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» Um I wanted to ask question regarding

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the sheriff. Um, if the sheriff

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department

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has the ability to levy, why do all the

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cities levy for them?

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» U, Mr. Mayor and Council, I if I

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understand your question, I don't

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believe they have the right to levy.

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» I believe I'm told they do by the

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somebody at the county, but um

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» The county the county board establishes

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the budget for the sheriff. the sheriff

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can spend the his budget however he sees

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fit. Um

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and um because he's an independently

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elected official um

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he does not levy I I you might be

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referring to the um

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fire pro not fire protection council

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it's the um

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it's it's the other council that um that

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deals with law enforcement uh JLE

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JLE can levy because they've gotten Um

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that's a joint law enforcement council.

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Uh they've gotten um permission through

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the state of Minnesota to do that and

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they do levy for special projects like

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for example um uh they want to do radios

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or whatever, replace all the radios,

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they'll levy for that. And believe it or

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not, that is significant money. Um

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so you'll see that on a public safety

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line on your on your property taxes.

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That's for JLE. But the sheriff himself,

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he belongs to JLE.

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He's a member of JLE and pays a a due if

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you will. Um but

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he does not levy himself.

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» Okay. I was just told that and so I

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thought, well, I'm going to bring that

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up.

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» Yeah. If he did levy himself, it would

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take a lot of pressure off the county

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commissioners. I know that.

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» Yeah.

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» But yeah.

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I guess my other question would be on

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the planning and zoning part. Oh,

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they're at 35% increase.

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And I see it it's all up in pretty much

431
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line item 101.

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So again, a little a little background

433
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that uh community development position

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has been vacant for x amount of years

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now and we were slowly funding it um by

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a percentage like if the the employee

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was to start in March, we you know we

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prorrate the salary for 2027. It's in

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there at 100% of the salary. [snorts]

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So um you're going to see a big increase

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now in 2027 for planning and zoning, but

442
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Okay.

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Any other question systems?

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» I guess you're good, Mike, till the next

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one.

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Um just a reminder then we will have the

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preliminary budget at the September 1st

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September meeting and then the December

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meeting the first December meeting you

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can like Matt had mentioned you can

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lower the levy at that point but you

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cannot hire it. So whatever you approve

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um in September will be the highest you

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can set it at. So,

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» Okay.

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» So, with that, we'll we'll bring this

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back in September for uh for adoption of

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the preliminary budget, and we'll also

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have your um sheriff contract on there

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as well to get that form.

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Sounds good.

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Okay. Item four.

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Okay, Mr. Mayor and Council, the um um

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there was kind of some recent calls that

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folks have been getting from um [snorts]

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some shooting in neighborhoods and and

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there was a desire to put the firearm

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ordinances uh up on, you know, on a work

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session to kind of see what is legal and

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what isn't legal. Uh, and I have

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the um if I can find it.

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Um,

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here's

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our code of conduct.

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It's under here.

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Article four of our code identifies

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firearms, gives a definition meaning a

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gun that discharges shot or projectile

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by means of an explosion, gas, or

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compressed air. Um, and it says

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specifically addresses prohibited use

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near buildings. Uh, no person shall use,

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fire, or discharge a firearm in the city

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within 500 ft of any dwelling, house, or

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commercial or industrial building.

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person, however, may use fire or

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discharge a firearm within such distance

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of a dwelling, house or commercial

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industrial building which is owned by

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that person or if that person has

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written consent of the owner of the

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property um to to use fire or discharge

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that firearm. Um, so it kind of defines,

494
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you know, some of the penalties in here

495
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and, uh, but this is really the only

496
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part of our code, um, that that

497
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addresses the use of the firearm. Now, I

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think every good neighbor would know

499
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that there's a reasonable time to

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discharge a firearm and there's a not so

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reasonable time. And um and if you're

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discharging a firearm on a continual

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basis, I think at that point it might

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get into nuisance.

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And um and if you're discharging a

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firearm because you don't like your

507
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neighbor and you want to you know um

508
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create a you know a um you know what's

509
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the best way to put it? you want to you

510
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want to uh essentially um upset them or

511
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try and create a scenario that that

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they're uncomfortable with. I think at

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that point it's definitely a nuisance.

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Um so

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again, when you when we kind of I think

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what brought this a lot of this up is

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the the state changed um south of 95

518
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used to be shotgun only. uh they allowed

519
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they allow now rifle by decision of the

520
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county and my understanding is our

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county uh is not taking a position on on

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what can be used and uh and so there's

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that concern on that side of you know uh

524
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how far will a rifle travel versus how

525
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far will a shotgun you know slug travel.

526
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Uh we know that shot will travel you

527
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know 40 50 yards but you know your um

528
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your uh your slugs might travel up to

529
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two to 300 yards. I mean they're they're

530
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,880
highly effective

531
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methods of if you're shooting at deer or

532
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whatever the case is. Um you know most

533
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people are discharging a firearm be a

534
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shotgun or a rifle within 50 yards of a

535
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deer or something like that. maybe a 100

536
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:11,360
tops, but you're probably running into

537
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:14,159
trees at that point. Um, so I think in

538
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this particular instance, the the

539
00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:21,200
individual was discharging a rifle and

540
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:26,320
um was discharging it on a repeated

541
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:29,280
basis and and kind of creating a use

542
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:32,080
term firestorm, but a significant issue

543
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:36,080
in his neighborhood. Um, we have

544
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:37,760
families that I've spoken to that, um,

545
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,000
don't really want to let their kids out

546
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,320
during the day to play when they hear,

547
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,159
you know, a firearm going off. Uh, we

548
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,840
have a we have a range not too far from

549
00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:48,480
here, you often hear shots going off

550
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:50,400
there. Uh, but I guess when it's your

551
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:55,039
next door neighbor, it can be it can be

552
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:57,600
a crack. It can be pretty loud. Um, so

553
00:23:55,039 --> 00:24:00,559
I'm we want to bring this forward not

554
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:03,520
suggesting a change to

555
00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:05,039
um policy at this point unless you you

556
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:08,240
guys are the policy makers. You get to

557
00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:11,679
decide. But um

558
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:14,400
but if um if there's a firearm that's

559
00:24:11,679 --> 00:24:17,200
discharged within 500 ft of someone

560
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,840
else's dwelling, if a firearm is

561
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:23,760
discharged at somebody,

562
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:25,440
um you know, at that point, it's highly

563
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,840
recommended that the sheriff be called

564
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,640
and that you know, police report be

565
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:32,880
written and and um and some

566
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,279
investigation done because it can get

567
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,720
very serious obviously.

568
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:41,919
So, I don't know if

569
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,919
anyone wants to comment on it, but

570
00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:47,919
wanted to kind of You can see it's just

571
00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:50,799
a a short little section.

572
00:24:47,919 --> 00:24:53,360
» Yeah, my neighbors shoot target practice

573
00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:55,279
all the time. They have 20ome acres.

574
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:58,400
They hunt on their property. It doesn't

575
00:24:55,279 --> 00:25:01,919
bother me at all. Um, I'm not for

576
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:06,159
restricting any gunfire because I think

577
00:25:01,919 --> 00:25:08,159
it would affect them and hunting hours

578
00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:11,120
start really early in the morning for

579
00:25:08,159 --> 00:25:16,159
deer hunting and um although they don't

580
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:17,679
go late into the night. Um, I think we

581
00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:20,159
just have they'll just have to call the

582
00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:22,320
police. you know, maybe if you put

583
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:26,960
something in a noise ordinance where

584
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:29,039
it's um after between midnight and 3:00

585
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,320
or 4:00 a.m., you know, cuz that would

586
00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:33,372
help with some of the firework

587
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,360
complaints that we get to. [laughter]

588
00:25:33,372 --> 00:25:37,679
[gasps] Um,

589
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:39,679
but I'm not for restricting any

590
00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:41,679
firearms. I think that's

591
00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:45,480
unconstitutional

592
00:25:41,679 --> 00:25:45,480
all all the way.

593
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,880
I don't know that I I'd ever restrict

594
00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:57,919
it, but our

595
00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:00,720
our ordinance is pretty big. It could

596
00:25:57,919 --> 00:26:03,039
use some addressing. I don't see

597
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,480
restricting any weapons. It just it's

598
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:09,919
vague and could be,

599
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,600
you know, redone a little.

600
00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:13,200
One of the challenges, Mr. Mayor and

601
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,279
Council, is the penalty, as you'll see

602
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:18,240
here, is a misdemeanor.

603
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:19,679
um a traffic ticket's a misdemeanor. So,

604
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,480
it could be a petty misdemeanor, but

605
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:25,200
anyways, it's um

606
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,600
not a serious violation, you know, for

607
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:32,480
doing this. And

608
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:34,080
but I I think if you can if if it starts

609
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,279
to

610
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:39,279
uh become a nuisance, that's possibly a

611
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,840
different scenario.

612
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:43,840
um

613
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,640
then it's not done for recreational

614
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:49,360
purposes necessarily. It's done to

615
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,880
literally upset your neighbor, you know,

616
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:54,360
scare their kids or whatever the case

617
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,360
is. And that's

618
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,200
not necessarily a good thing.

619
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:10,720
Yeah. Growing up here, gunfire is

620
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,840
something you just kind of always hear

621
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,600
at random times.

622
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,080
If it gets in the case of nuisance,

623
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,679
that's a different situation. But like a

624
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,520
lot of people say, they move up here for

625
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:26,320
the country and acorage and

626
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:31,799
everything that comes with it.

627
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,799
One of those can be in gunfire.

628
00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:35,914
If it's a nuisance, then [sighs]

629
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:42,559
I don't know if we would

630
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:45,679
have to deal with it if it came to that

631
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:49,720
level on a case-byase basis

632
00:27:45,679 --> 00:27:49,720
if it was a grievous.

633
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:55,200
» Yeah. One of the challenges with

634
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,080
nuisance is the ability to define

635
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,559
nuisance.

636
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,520
» Yes.

637
00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,960
» You know, one person's

638
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,679
feeling of nuisance is different than

639
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:07,360
another person's. Well, I I think with

640
00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:10,159
uh in the case of uh ATVs and dirt

641
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:12,880
bikes, we have something in there that

642
00:28:10,159 --> 00:28:15,120
says if it's used continuously for this

643
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,320
amount of time,

644
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:21,440
then it could be considered a nuisance.

645
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,279
So maybe if we need a little bit of

646
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,279
language like that in there, I don't

647
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:26,279
know.

648
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:29,600
I can research nuisance a little bit

649
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,799
more to find out

650
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,360
» As it relates to

651
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:34,360
» How it might relate.

652
00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:40,559
» Of course, seems how we have a gun

653
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:41,360
range, they would probably need to be

654
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:44,360
» Exempted.

655
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,360
» Yes.

656
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,960
» All right. Anything else on that one?

657
00:28:54,080 --> 00:29:00,799
Okay. Moving on to five.

658
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,919
» Okay. Um, Mr. Mayor and Council, uh, we

659
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:08,159
received a complaint

660
00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:11,360
uh from a neighbor that an advisory

661
00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:13,200
uh member was

662
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,520
saying things or doing things that they

663
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,159
felt was inappropriate. We don't

664
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:22,799
necessarily want to take that

665
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:25,760
as fact necessarily, but um um but

666
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:25,760
again, it's

667
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,240
We don't have [clears throat] any sort

668
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:33,039
of

669
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,799
member code of conduct documents at all

670
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:38,159
that might say this is how we would

671
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:40,480
expect you to to you know conduct

672
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:44,799
yourself if you're appointed to a

673
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:46,799
committee or commission. Um some cities

674
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:49,279
have code of conducts for elected

675
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:51,600
officials. Some cities say well your

676
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:53,679
code of conduct is your election. you

677
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,440
know, next time you run, they'll they'll

678
00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:58,480
the public will determine code of

679
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:01,840
conduct. Um, so we have a couple of

680
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,360
examples in here. If I can pull those

681
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,360
up.

682
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,360
Um,

683
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,159
so I'm going to pull up the other one

684
00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:14,720
here first.

685
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:19,520
So in this particular one it's um

686
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:22,799
city of Long Lake goes into

687
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:25,679
you know purpose standards of conduct

688
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:27,840
uh goes into how to conduct a meeting

689
00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:30,880
goes into open meeting law conflicts of

690
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:34,080
interest which is valuable gifts and

691
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:36,559
donations can't receive those disclosure

692
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:40,000
disclosure of information I think is is

693
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:42,159
important uh working with the community.

694
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,480
Um

695
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:47,039
um and

696
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,120
kind of kind of then breaks out advisory

697
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:51,039
board members are not authorized to make

698
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,600
positional statements on behalf of the

699
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:55,919
city council and care shall be taken by

700
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,919
advisory board advisory members when

701
00:30:55,919 --> 00:31:00,880
expressing a position to accurately

702
00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:04,000
clarify whether such a position is that

703
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:06,480
of the individual member or of the board

704
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:10,799
on which the member sits. So they try

705
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:14,240
and touch on it, right? Um

706
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:16,000
and um

707
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,960
take a good stab at it, I guess, maybe

708
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:21,919
is is a good way to say it. Um try and

709
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:24,399
find a different one here that

710
00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:26,720
this is for

711
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:29,440
uh North Oaks code of conduct. They get

712
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,600
into the council members, mayor, uh,

713
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,039
compliance with the law, conflict of

714
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,720
interest, prohibitions, and data

715
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:37,919
practices,

716
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,519
uh, standards of conduct. Um, you know,

717
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:41,120
it says councils and commissions are

718
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:42,799
composed of individuals with a wide

719
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,399
variety of backgrounds, personalities,

720
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:46,799
values, opinions, and goals. Despite

721
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:48,320
this diversity, all have chosen to serve

722
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:50,720
public office in order to preserve,

723
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:53,600
protect, and enhance the present and the

724
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,679
future of the community. In all cases,

725
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,360
this common goal should be acknowledged

726
00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:59,840
even as the council and commissions may

727
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:03,600
agree to disagree or on contentious

728
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:06,000
issues. Um, so it's,

729
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,960
you know, again touching on decorum in

730
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,279
public places. Um,

731
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,000
um, you know, how to address the mayor

732
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:16,240
or the the person running the meeting

733
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:20,159
and, uh, being punctual. private

734
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:22,159
conversations are are um essentially

735
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:24,320
public conversations in in some cases

736
00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:26,640
whether it's hot miked or it's uh you

737
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:31,360
know someone does a data request they

738
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:33,679
can get access to texts or whatever. um

739
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:37,279
uh it's talking about written notes and

740
00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:39,360
text messages and so there's a there's a

741
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:41,200
lot in this and this was in your work

742
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:45,440
packet if you've had a chance to review

743
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:47,840
it and um and what I think if I need to

744
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,919
summarize it what we want to

745
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,960
» We never got this packet part of the

746
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:53,360
packet

747
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:56,399
» No all I got is the agenda

748
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:59,679
» We got the agenda

749
00:32:56,399 --> 00:33:01,600
» Okay well I apologize for that I I don't

750
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:03,039
know if it's on the website or not, but

751
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:08,480
we can certainly send this out for

752
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:11,480
future uh discussions. Um but um but

753
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,480
essentially

754
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:15,360
kind of getting back to the to

755
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:17,679
complaint, there was a complaint that a

756
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,039
a commission member said that, you know,

757
00:33:17,679 --> 00:33:20,880
they're going to do this or they're

758
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:23,039
going to do that, that they have the ear

759
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,559
of the council to do this or, you know,

760
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:27,279
threaten that.

761
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:30,320
and and that kind of gets into

762
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:33,440
maybe using your position um

763
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:36,480
inappropriately. Um

764
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:38,559
and uh and so this is why we wanted to

765
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:41,360
bring it. Obviously,

766
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:43,039
if if there is a violation of some sort,

767
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,480
we can go through a whole process of

768
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,600
determining if it's actually true or

769
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,360
not. you know, we don't even know if

770
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:51,200
that's true, but um uh there's a due

771
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,840
process portion of it that everyone

772
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,919
would would be able to defend

773
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,000
themselves. No, I didn't or this is why

774
00:33:55,919 --> 00:33:59,760
I said it or whatever the case may be.

775
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:04,559
We've had some commission members come

776
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:06,240
up and and bless the council. Okay. Um

777
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:10,079
they are certainly entitled to freedom

778
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:12,800
of speech. However, uh it can bring some

779
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:17,280
level of disrepute upon the board and it

780
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:20,240
can um you know undermine the the the

781
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,839
board in in the in the community. Um

782
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:23,760
should that be something that they can

783
00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:25,679
do? That's that's the policy question,

784
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:29,359
right? Um

785
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:33,359
or should they one when on a a board or

786
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:36,879
commission be limited to a decorum of

787
00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:39,919
some sort that you know respects the the

788
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:42,240
um the council as the ultimate decision

789
00:34:39,919 --> 00:34:45,200
makers. They're an advisory board to you

790
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:47,040
in in this particular situation and um

791
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:50,399
and you guys make the ultimate decision.

792
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:52,159
You can choose to go with their advice.

793
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:54,320
You can choose to go a different route.

794
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:58,880
that's totally within the power of the

795
00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:01,760
of the board. Um, so this is the this is

796
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,280
the discussion. Um, [clears throat]

797
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,920
you know, if you guys want us to bring

798
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,800
this back as a,

799
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,880
you know, look deeper into it or if

800
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,359
it's,

801
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,800
you know,

802
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:17,040
let people say what they want to and

803
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,560
we'll sort it out later.

804
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,560
I don't know what the other option is.

805
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,240
» Was there a written complaint filled out

806
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,000
on this?

807
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,680
Um,

808
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,119
I will double check if there I believe

809
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,119
there was

810
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,880
» Because on that I think I remember us

811
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:33,680
talking like last year or whenever it

812
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,680
was. When you get a written complaint,

813
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,960
us on council should probably get a copy

814
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,240
of that so we know what we're talking

815
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:43,040
about because otherwise we don't know.

816
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:45,040
That's important if you can do that.

817
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,760
» I will double check make sure.

818
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:51,280
» Thank you. Um the individual I'm

819
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:54,320
referring to some of you know well

820
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,240
» Um and uh a lot of it is hour-long

821
00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:01,359
conversations.

822
00:35:56,240 --> 00:36:03,760
Um so this is why

823
00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:06,160
sometimes people want to elaborate you

824
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,320
know in in in their conversation.

825
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,240
So, we're not necessarily going to say

826
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,800
we're going to take it for truth,

827
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:15,200
» But if there's a document that's out

828
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,960
there that that we can send to somebody

829
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,400
and say, "We're not saying you did.

830
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,920
We're not saying you didn't, but just

831
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,520
review this for future, you know,

832
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,760
reference or whatever the case is." When

833
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,200
they get appointed to a commission,

834
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,800
here's a document. This is the

835
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:31,280
expectation.

836
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:33,119
um doesn't have to be ownorous, but at

837
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,359
least it can give, especially as it

838
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:38,480
relates to gifts and you can't take

839
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:42,160
gifts. You can't be on the board voting

840
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,920
for your own interest, you know, right?

841
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:47,359
» Conflict of interest type of scenario.

842
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,520
So being aware of that is somewhat like

843
00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:51,680
and I'll and I'll liken this to when you

844
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:56,160
get elected, the League of Minnesota

845
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:59,040
Cities puts on a um uh first time

846
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,760
elected deal, dos and don'ts, right? And

847
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,040
it's um and it's valuable information

848
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,599
because you don't know what you don't

849
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,720
know until somebody helps you say, "Nah,

850
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:08,400
you don't want to go down that road.

851
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,480
You'll get in trouble for doing that."

852
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,240
Um, so this would be something similar

853
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,480
because they don't have a dos and don'ts

854
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:17,119
for commission members when they get

855
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,400
appointed. It's, you know, get appointed

856
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:20,320
and take the seat and you're off and

857
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,480
running. So anyways,

858
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,000
» I think it's a good idea to put

859
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,680
something in writing because if

860
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,640
somebody's saying that they can

861
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:31,119
influence our votes, that's not good

862
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,880
because nobody can influence me. I vote

863
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:36,560
my heart

864
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,640
and residents. Well, I think I think the

865
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,480
commissions do influence you in terms of

866
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,680
the you know, they vote a certain way.

867
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,480
you look at the meetings or you watch

868
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,240
the meeting the meetings on online on

869
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,440
the decision like the planning makes you

870
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:51,359
know planning and zoning um they they

871
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,119
may influence you may agree with them

872
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:56,320
you may not agree with them but if

873
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:58,400
they're using that by saying

874
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,320
you better do what I tell you to do or I

875
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,200
I'm going to you know utilize my power

876
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:06,400
to you know to come back against you in

877
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:09,119
a neighborhood rel you know scenario

878
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,119
that's not the role and function of that

879
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:12,079
any board that we have here, I guess,

880
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:16,880
you know.

881
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:19,119
» Um, so, and again, that's the claim.

882
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,119
We've heard a lot of wild claims, but

883
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:23,359
whether that's true or not,

884
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:26,800
hypothetically, it should never happen,

885
00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:29,920
I guess. But

886
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:32,079
I think something just general, maybe a

887
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,800
couple pages,

888
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:36,000
» Um, at the most,

889
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:39,920
» But we don't need to get into explicit

890
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,440
detail of, um, some of the stuff. Uh

891
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:45,359
because I know when I first got on

892
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:47,040
planning uh many years ago, there wasn't

893
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:49,520
anything there wasn't anything given to

894
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,839
me. It said show for next meeting. Sit

895
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,560
here. Here's your packet.

896
00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:53,920
» Good luck.

897
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,880
» Yeah.

898
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:59,760
» Uh so, you know, some education is

899
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:03,760
great. Uh, one thing that can be

900
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:07,359
included is, uh, links to the League of

901
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,960
Minnesota C's website for, uh, for

902
00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:11,680
particular,

903
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,760
um, they have particular packets put

904
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:17,359
together on particular roles, particular

905
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:19,200
information. Um, so that if they want to

906
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:21,520
do further research, they certainly can.

907
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,520
Here's the education there. Here is

908
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,520
where you can go for a lot of your

909
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,520
answers.

910
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,920
And I will send these out. Make sure you

911
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,599
get them as well so you can review them.

912
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,560
» Yeah, send them out and we'll bring this

913
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,359
back up at a future work session.

914
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,240
» Yeah.

915
00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:38,640
» Perfect.

916
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:42,680
» All right.

917
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,680
» All right. Moving on to six.

918
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,720
that one.

919
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,160
Six is an update on code enforcement

920
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,680
activity, short-term rentals, large

921
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,680
events. And I have Eric with us here

922
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,599
this evening to

923
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,640
um give us a little more background on

924
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:10,440
one of the cases that he's working on. I

925
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,440
believe this is it.

926
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,079
short

927
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:21,119
in your uh thank you mayor and council

928
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:23,200
for taking this matter up in your

929
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,160
workshop here. Um

930
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,720
» Please talk in the mic.

931
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,960
» Well, I'm sorry. I got to move over

932
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:32,880
here. Uh again, thank you for uh taking

933
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:34,800
this matter up um in your workshop. Um

934
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,760
the city's received several complaints

935
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:44,560
about uh a rental activity occurring at

936
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:48,880
1 19520 Tri Oak uh Circle and um

937
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:54,400
the the owner of that site um has been

938
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:59,200
uh renting that space out as an VBO.

939
00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:01,680
um using it for uh hosting um large

940
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:04,079
groups through that VBO.

941
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,640
Um just I'm just showing the pictures.

942
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:11,040
They've hosted wedding events at this

943
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:12,800
site. Um and I just want to share those

944
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,680
images with you. There have been a

945
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:19,440
number of complaints from uh the abuing

946
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:22,160
property owners. Um and city has sent

947
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,240
two letters to the owner um requesting

948
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:27,040
they cease the operation of renting the

949
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:32,160
property um and ceased using the

950
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:36,160
property as um a commercial venue. Um

951
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:39,520
first notice sent in Mayuh 2026,

952
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:42,400
second notice sent in June and we did

953
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:46,079
actually post a notice on the door on

954
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:48,240
July 16th again asking them to cease the

955
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:52,640
operation.

956
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:54,960
Um, part of our letters also included uh

957
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:58,000
that if you do need to have a rental

958
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:01,359
license in place before you can you can

959
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,280
operate uh this type of venue. Not the

960
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:07,520
commercial operation, mind you, but just

961
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:11,359
the the renting it as a VBO type matter.

962
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:14,800
um the applicant or the owner um

963
00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:19,040
only submitted um partial return of

964
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:21,040
their application. Um late last week,

965
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:25,200
I'm sorry, early last week, they did

966
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:27,280
provide um set up a time for a final

967
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:30,079
inspection of the site. So, that'll

968
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:33,359
happen, I believe, August 20th and

969
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:38,079
ultimately um potentially back before

970
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:40,720
you for that rental license. However, um

971
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:43,440
we have not gotten to that point. Um

972
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:46,800
they have they have operated

973
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:49,520
um illegally, for lack of a better word.

974
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,640
Um our city attorney is here and I I

975
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:55,200
appreciate him coming here and and and

976
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:58,720
sharing. Um but essentially the staff

977
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:02,000
has exhausted um all of its capacity for

978
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:04,480
sending letters, you know, asking um

979
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,119
it's really boiled down to uh mayor

980
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:10,800
council um

981
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:15,880
what would you like us to do next? And

982
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,880
um our city attorney is here and and

983
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:21,200
I think that's the policy direction we

984
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:25,599
are asking and and the city attorney is

985
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:26,000
is asking for. Um, and with that, Mark,

986
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:28,000
I

987
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,560
» Sure convert it over to you.

988
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,319
» Sure. Um, so I it's my understanding

989
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,240
that, you know, a policy decision like

990
00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:36,640
this, whether we're going to charge a

991
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:38,160
citizen of the city with a ordinance

992
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,960
violation like this is kind of something

993
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,400
that the the the thought is to have a

994
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,240
discussion with the council first. I

995
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,319
think in the past it may have been that

996
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:47,760
the city would go through its exercises

997
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:49,920
that it has of sending out the

998
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,680
correspondence and trying to bring the

999
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,839
property owner into compiance. Then if

1000
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,760
they didn't, just be referred to the

1001
00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:57,200
prosecutor's office to charge out and

1002
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,119
then sometimes there's questions about

1003
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,440
that after the fact. So, this is trying

1004
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:03,359
to be or the goal here is to get the

1005
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,760
direction from the council as a whole

1006
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:08,000
because this is not a theft crime. This

1007
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,079
isn't a DWI. This is someone who isn't

1008
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,720
complying to the city ordinances. And of

1009
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:14,480
course, the goal of the city, well,

1010
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:16,000
well, two things I'll comment on. One,

1011
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,920
you know, the city's going to be

1012
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,280
complaint oriented. So, the city's

1013
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,040
responding to complaints on something

1014
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,319
like this. So, this has been complaints

1015
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,480
from the neighbors who have complained

1016
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:27,040
about these issues that that were just

1017
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,839
described by Eric. Um, so we're not

1018
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,839
seeking them out. And then the the goal

1019
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:33,920
the the attempts have been made to get

1020
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:35,440
the property owner into compliance. Now,

1021
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,440
and and that is at the end of the day

1022
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,800
ultimately the goal to have property

1023
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,520
owners in compliance with the city

1024
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:44,319
ordinance, state statutes, and so forth.

1025
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,720
As Eric just said that there has been

1026
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:48,480
this ongoing violation of the city code,

1027
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,000
which is a crime. It's a misdemeanor to

1028
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,520
be in violation of the city code,

1029
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,400
punishable by up to 90 days in jail,

1030
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,400
$1,000 fine. Both often times the goal

1031
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,319
of criminal prosecution more so than

1032
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,319
having somebody spend time in jail

1033
00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:03,200
usually is to have them come into

1034
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:04,880
compliance with the code. So, as as Eric

1035
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,680
just described, this individual, this

1036
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:10,240
property owner has been making slow

1037
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,680
strides towards coming into compliance.

1038
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,440
One of those things is by going through

1039
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,640
our processes to apply for a rental

1040
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,480
application. Um, she submitted that. I

1041
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,720
believe she's got to do some allow for

1042
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,800
some inspections to occur and so forth

1043
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:24,319
and then she will potentially be into

1044
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,240
compliance with regard to having a

1045
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:28,480
rental property and as Eric said not to

1046
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:29,839
have these events commercial or

1047
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,839
otherwise happening that's another

1048
00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:34,880
story. So we're sitting at this point

1049
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:37,040
where uh she's close to coming into

1050
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,800
compliance doing the things we've asked

1051
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,680
but she's not there yet and of course we

1052
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,280
have the issue of past violations. Now,

1053
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,440
what's also unique about this and part

1054
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:48,079
of what's happened since in the last

1055
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,839
month or two here is that as uh the

1056
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:51,200
deputy sheriffs have gone out there to

1057
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:53,280
respond to the complaints, they've

1058
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,560
gathered some information to actually

1059
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:58,480
prove that in fact the property was

1060
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,560
being rented by those people that were

1061
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,079
there who said yes, I rented the

1062
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,760
property. We did it through the VBO.

1063
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:05,760
Because that's of course obviously in

1064
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:08,079
order to prove this in the court, you

1065
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,680
have to have you know the evidence that

1066
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:11,440
the person did in fact violate the

1067
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:14,480
ordinance and you have that

1068
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,240
So I guess again from a policy decision

1069
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,760
it's does the council want the next step

1070
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:21,359
would be for us to do a formal complaint

1071
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,720
and charge the individual and again seek

1072
00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:24,480
to have them come further into

1073
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:28,200
compliance and so forth. So I think

1074
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,200
that's where we're at.

1075
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:36,720
» So Mr. Mayor and council in the prior

1076
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:39,359
what you know policy for the city had

1077
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:41,359
was when we kind of exhausted all the

1078
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:43,359
options we just turned it over to the

1079
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:45,119
attorney and the attorney would

1080
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:47,599
prosecute and then you would get phone

1081
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:49,520
calls and say why is the city suing me

1082
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:51,680
and you folks would be like we don't

1083
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,920
know anything about it. So the policy

1084
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,839
then changed to

1085
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,560
once we exhaust all of our options then

1086
00:46:55,839 --> 00:47:01,440
we bring it to the work session then you

1087
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:03,440
decide is this something where we need

1088
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:07,599
to take it to that next level and

1089
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:09,440
prosecute and if so um you know we had a

1090
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:11,359
couple of options whether it's abatement

1091
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:15,119
we've talked about or whe what whether

1092
00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:18,720
it's you know going through the normal

1093
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:21,599
prosecution process or or what. Um, so

1094
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:25,359
that's why it's here this evening. Um,

1095
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:28,400
and um, just as a side note, not to

1096
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:32,880
complicate matters here, but um, in the

1097
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:36,319
Friday uh, update, I I I identified this

1098
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,079
property as kind of the, you know,

1099
00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:40,319
they're going through a rental process,

1100
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:43,520
but they're really not renting it the

1101
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:45,280
way that our intention of a rental

1102
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,800
ordinance is. In other words, if you're

1103
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,560
going to rent your property for 6 months

1104
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,880
or a year or five years or whatever the

1105
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:53,200
case is, this is a weekend type of deal,

1106
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,839
which would fall into the short-term,

1107
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,079
you know, type of concept, which is

1108
00:47:55,839 --> 00:48:00,319
standing by. I mean, completed, you

1109
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:03,680
know, we're we're going to bring it uh

1110
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:08,160
for um the council to review and and

1111
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:10,800
potentially approve. So, we're kind of

1112
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:13,680
thinking the best option, at least in

1113
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:16,560
terms of clarity for courts, if it gets

1114
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:18,400
there, is the rental license is really

1115
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,040
not applicable in this situation. And if

1116
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:25,599
she applies for and gets one, it's still

1117
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:28,160
not applicable in this situation. So um

1118
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:30,720
one we should probably define a rental

1119
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:34,079
license in terms of time that would

1120
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:37,119
apply to six months or a year you know

1121
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:39,920
short term then is less than six months

1122
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:42,079
you know uh type of a time frame or a

1123
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:46,319
month or a weekend or however it wants

1124
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:49,599
to be defined. And then at that point um

1125
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:52,160
uh then you can obviously say that she

1126
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:55,599
has neither one

1127
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:58,160
but she would need the one that best

1128
00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:01,200
suited would be best suited and and then

1129
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:03,520
the council gets to decide okay do you

1130
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,839
really want to given the history on this

1131
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,119
do you want to issue a short-term rental

1132
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:09,920
license because your phone's probably

1133
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:12,640
going to be ringing off the hook.

1134
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:15,920
you know, you you can put guard rails

1135
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:18,559
around it. You know, there can only be

1136
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,760
2.5 people per room or whatever the deal

1137
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:23,280
is. And what happens when there's 10?

1138
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,160
You know, your phone's ringing off the

1139
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,520
hook. So, that's kind of the scenario

1140
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,200
we're in.

1141
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,400
» One other thing I'll comment on from

1142
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:34,720
what I understand um

1143
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,040
from speaking with the law enforcement

1144
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:38,640
is that I believe this particular

1145
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,400
individual, the propertyy's listed for

1146
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,480
sale now.

1147
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,599
which is that that's that's great.

1148
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:47,920
They're fine, whatever. Uh so if you

1149
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:49,839
have a rental

1150
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,680
situation, then it goes away because the

1151
00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:53,359
new buyer has no interest in doing that,

1152
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,280
then

1153
00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:56,880
this is part of the prosecution question

1154
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,680
because then you prosecute someone

1155
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:02,319
potentially no longer reser.

1156
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,559
So

1157
00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:06,079
» Yeah, that's a waste of money going to

1158
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:09,280
prosecute somebody and their house

1159
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:11,680
sells. I'm like maybe we should wait and

1160
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,319
see. I did want to make a comment on

1161
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:17,200
this because I

1162
00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:19,040
was informed that several after the last

1163
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:23,200
planning commission meeting where they

1164
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:25,599
discussed this um several houses on that

1165
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,400
or properties were vandalized on Tri

1166
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:31,200
Oak.

1167
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:33,200
So, I just want to bring that up because

1168
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,440
I I feel like there was some kind of a

1169
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,119
vendetta because it happened either the

1170
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,440
day or the second day after the last

1171
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:42,960
planning commission meeting. I'm like,

1172
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:44,800
this is not good.

1173
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,119
» I don't know. We've heard of that.

1174
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:50,480
» Yeah. The paint reports,

1175
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:53,760
» Mailboxes painted, cars

1176
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:56,400
messed up, stuff like that.

1177
00:50:53,760 --> 00:51:00,160
I think our first process is to get the

1178
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:02,960
ordinance changed so that we can put the

1179
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:05,680
limit of time, you know, designated

1180
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,839
basically in the ordinance before we can

1181
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,599
even attack this short-term rental

1182
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:10,160
stuff.

1183
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:13,119
» I agree.

1184
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,559
» Otherwise, we don't have any leverage in

1185
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:17,920
court, period.

1186
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:21,119
» Yeah. and depending on

1187
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:25,359
the timeline of how quickly we get it

1188
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:29,920
done and would we be able to use that

1189
00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:32,000
ordinance on this particular case.

1190
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,839
some legal questions that we probably

1191
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,480
have to get into at some point because

1192
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:39,920
he can't retroactively go out back

1193
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:43,839
grandfather laws etc blah blah blah

1194
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:47,680
but that is definitely one issue to look

1195
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:51,839
into and if

1196
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:54,640
if we want to allow short-term or are we

1197
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:58,880
just reacting to the this one problem

1198
00:51:54,640 --> 00:52:02,440
issue to avoid future problem issues for

1199
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,440
the short-term rentals.

1200
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:12,240
» Most cities, I believe, are using it

1201
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:16,319
just because of the influx of so many of

1202
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:18,800
these popping up. Now, you go north up

1203
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:20,960
the Briner Lakes area, you know, there

1204
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:24,960
you got a huge problem up there with

1205
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:27,280
this huge problem. I mean, and anywhere

1206
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,079
you got a big body of water, it's going

1207
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:33,760
to come.

1208
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:34,800
So, we need to address the ordinance to

1209
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,480
start with. Period.

1210
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:42,160
» Mayor, and council, if I may. Um,

1211
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:43,839
so the the planning commission did hold

1212
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,839
a public hearing on the proposed

1213
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:48,400
short-term rental ordinance. Had a

1214
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:51,040
number of people um that showed up and

1215
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,920
spoke in favor of it. Um, I think it was

1216
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:59,119
a balanced, well, well wellreceived uh

1217
00:52:53,920 --> 00:53:02,000
plan. Um, it certainly looks for ways to

1218
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:05,280
advocate for people to have a successful

1219
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,680
uh VRBO, a successful short-term rental.

1220
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:10,480
Um, few twists and turns aside, you

1221
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:16,160
know, I I would speculate that it'll it

1222
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:19,200
will be uh reasonably wellreceived. Um

1223
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:22,319
to the council uh administrator look's

1224
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:25,839
comments about uh clarifying the current

1225
00:53:22,319 --> 00:53:27,680
rental ordinance you have. Um yes that's

1226
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:31,599
something that is should be done in

1227
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:33,760
tandem with this to uh specify that you

1228
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:36,559
know basically 30 days or less is

1229
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,480
shortterm 30 days or more is is the more

1230
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:43,280
traditional rental which we all kind of

1231
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:47,760
understand. Um however um the case we

1232
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:51,599
have now with um this this address um

1233
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:53,280
has been in violation for some time. Um

1234
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:55,280
and

1235
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,720
even if you had your short-term rental

1236
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,559
license in effect, again this is

1237
00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:01,040
speculation, but even if you had your

1238
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:04,800
short-term rental license in today or

1239
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:06,480
you had this process in place today, um

1240
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,640
that property would not be in

1241
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,520
compliance. So I think what staff is

1242
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:13,359
maybe for is

1243
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,599
how else can we convey to this

1244
00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:18,480
individual

1245
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:20,480
that um you are operating contrary to

1246
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,800
the current law

1247
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,559
um and yeah you've submitted some things

1248
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:28,079
but you're not there yet and in the

1249
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:29,920
meantime uh please cease. So I think

1250
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:32,880
maybe that's

1251
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,960
what we're asking for. I realize that

1252
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,599
there's cost associated with that. So

1253
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:40,079
would you be looking for say a drafted

1254
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:42,559
letter by the city attorney addressing

1255
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:45,760
that that uh if it comes from the city

1256
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:47,760
attorney may have more teeth? I I have

1257
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,920
no objection to that but it's up to you

1258
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,079
know you folks and [clears throat]

1259
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:55,680
obviously given the direction we're

1260
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:57,440
happy to do that. Um sometimes that does

1261
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,280
help certainly seeing something on

1262
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,760
letterhead and so forth. We just don't

1263
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,040
want to like you. It's a valid concern

1264
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,800
that the council would have is we just

1265
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,200
don't want it to be letter after letter

1266
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,880
and why is Berglin charging us all this

1267
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,440
money for these letters that seem to be

1268
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,040
going nowhere. So if we do a letter

1269
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,559
which is perfectly fine. It does make

1270
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,559
sense because it will indicate and it's

1271
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:18,000
true that our next step is to do what we

1272
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:19,760
would call a formal complaint and then

1273
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,280
bring charges in district court and the

1274
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,599
person individuals will have to come to

1275
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,119
court. So we just want the council to be

1276
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:26,559
aware of that so that it's seen that

1277
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:30,000
okay we're taking these steps and this

1278
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:32,240
is the next logical step.

1279
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:37,040
I I I don't think I have an issue with

1280
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:38,640
uh approving one letter to address and

1281
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:43,760
if

1282
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:47,040
we can reconvene on what happens

1283
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,520
after that in a month or so. We'll see

1284
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,599
what happens.

1285
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,640
» See what kind of response we get back.

1286
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:52,640
So,

1287
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,319
» Eric, have we passed the 30-day

1288
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,480
threshold

1289
00:55:54,319 --> 00:55:59,040
» For I'm sorry, mayor, for

1290
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,640
» For her application. Every complete

1291
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:05,040
complete application

1292
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:08,799
» Her her complete application um so,

1293
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:11,440
okay, uh I believe she completed her

1294
00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:16,079
paperwork application on or around July

1295
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:21,359
28th, you pick a number. Um she then had

1296
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:23,520
to advise the city and coordinate with

1297
00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:25,839
um Nick Schmidz, the building official,

1298
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:28,160
to get an inspection. That is now

1299
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:31,520
scheduled for the 20th.

1300
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:33,760
Um and then once Dick would write his

1301
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,200
report, presumably we'd package that up

1302
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,640
and bring that to you for final

1303
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:41,599
approval. Um, but in the meantime,

1304
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,520
again, that's still probably not that's

1305
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:46,240
still even in a best case scenario,

1306
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,760
probably a month away.

1307
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:48,559
» Nick's going to bring the fire marshal

1308
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,119
with them, too, right?

1309
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:49,920
» Yes.

1310
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:53,680
» Okay.

1311
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:57,280
» I mean, again, it's a

1312
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:59,839
not a complete uh, you know, this is a

1313
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,680
health, safety, welfare, you know, fire

1314
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:03,920
safety versus a, you know, a commercial

1315
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,680
inspection type thing. We do have a

1316
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,040
pretty good checklist and and certainly

1317
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,760
the building officials been through

1318
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:11,920
those many times. Um but even in the

1319
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:15,440
best case scenario, it's a month away

1320
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:17,040
and um

1321
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,799
I think I believe the city attorney

1322
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,200
haven't we already sent her one letter

1323
00:57:18,799 --> 00:57:20,799
from

1324
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,559
» We we sent her one letter indicating

1325
00:57:20,799 --> 00:57:23,760
that she needed to get the application

1326
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,680
in

1327
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:29,200
» And then she and she complied with that

1328
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:31,040
which is positive. Um so that's where it

1329
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:34,319
sits.

1330
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:37,839
So what is the one thing we can do that

1331
00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:39,760
has teeth? It would I mean from where I

1332
00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:43,599
sit as a as a attorney prosecute

1333
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:45,920
attorney is to if the correspondence has

1334
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:47,280
been exhausted would be to do what we

1335
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,200
call as I said earlier a formal

1336
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,520
complaint lays out what the charges are

1337
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,359
and usually makes sense in a ordinance

1338
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,680
violation situation to do that because

1339
00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:58,079
it's not as I said earlier just a simple

1340
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,920
theft or a DWI and I know those are not

1341
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:01,040
simple but in any event you need a

1342
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,960
little more explanation of what's going

1343
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,720
on citations to the code and so forth

1344
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,480
and then what that really does is it

1345
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,440
forces an individual ual to come to

1346
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:11,520
court in order to respond to and that's

1347
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,839
where you have to deal with the issues

1348
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,520
in court. Well, that uh brings people

1349
00:58:13,839 --> 00:58:16,960
out of the comfort of their own home

1350
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,880
into the courtroom. If they don't show

1351
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,480
up or they ignore that, then we have the

1352
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:23,599
the ability to seek a warrant because

1353
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:26,160
they didn't come to court um and those

1354
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:27,359
kinds of steps. So, that's the teeth.

1355
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,520
And of course, at the end of the day,

1356
00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:31,839
the ultimate threat and purpose of that

1357
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:34,880
is if someone doesn't comply with the

1358
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:36,240
ordinance and um are convicted of the

1359
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:42,119
offense and they could potentially be

1360
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:42,119
fined financially or face jail time.

1361
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,079
» So the question is, do we have enough

1362
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:49,119
form [clears throat] of formal

1363
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:52,160
complaint? I I I I indicated earlier

1364
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:53,359
that with um the uh law enforcement

1365
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,880
going out there and gathering the

1366
00:58:53,359 --> 00:58:55,599
information, another thing to keep in

1367
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,720
mind, but [snorts] gathering the

1368
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:58,559
information of those individuals that

1369
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:01,520
they spoke to that were actually renting

1370
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:05,599
at the property and identifying them. I

1371
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:06,480
think I I believe so. Yes,

1372
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:08,319
» Let's do it.

1373
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:11,119
» I would say that's move forward with the

1374
00:59:08,319 --> 00:59:13,040
formal complaint

1375
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:16,480
» Consensus.

1376
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:18,799
If they the house sells,

1377
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:21,359
is everything dropped then or do you

1378
00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:22,640
continue because the crime was

1379
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:25,520
committed? So,

1380
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:28,160
» So we as the prosecuting authority

1381
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:30,960
always have the decision- making in that

1382
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:32,960
regard and um and we can certainly talk

1383
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:37,200
about this as larger conversation, but

1384
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:39,520
uh if if the house sold um then that

1385
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,280
person is no longer going to be a

1386
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:44,960
concern of violating the ordinance, at

1387
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:47,359
least as to that, that that may be a

1388
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,680
cause to decide to dismiss the charges

1389
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:51,359
if that made the most sense or something

1390
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,720
along those lines. Often times with

1391
00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:55,040
ordinance violations, if people come

1392
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,960
into compliance, like I said, that's the

1393
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,160
goal. That may result in the charges

1394
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,000
being dismissed because they've come

1395
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:04,400
into compliance and we're no longer

1396
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,000
receiving complaints. But if the So I

1397
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,760
can't say that definitively, but we have

1398
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,401
that ability to do that. Yes.

1399
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,920
» Okay. We got to cut this off. Uh

1400
01:00:10,401 --> 01:00:13,920
[clears throat] we've given staff

1401
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:16,640
direction

1402
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,040
and we'll move forward with that. Okay.

1403
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,720
» Okay.

1404
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:22,240
» All right. At this time, I'll close the

1405
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:23,680
morning meeting. on my quick recess.

1406
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:27,480
» Yep.

1407
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,480
» All right, let him in.

1408
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,720
They're

1409
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,520
good.

1410
01:04:31,359 --> 01:04:34,520
right there.

1411
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,480
» Okay. Okay. At this time, I'll call the

1412
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:53,760
uh

1413
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:56,160
the uh August 10th, 2026 regular council

1414
01:04:53,760 --> 01:05:00,599
meeting to order.

1415
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,599
» Please rise if you can for the pledge

1416
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:06,480
to the flag of the United States of

1417
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:10,680
America and to the republic for it

1418
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,680
stands nation.

1419
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,839
Okay, I'm going to make a quick

1420
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:20,839
statement here.

1421
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,920
Um,

1422
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:31,440
there are mo moments in public service

1423
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:33,440
when words feel too small for the weight

1424
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:36,559
of our hearts.

1425
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:39,680
Today is one of those moments. We gather

1426
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:43,599
not to debate policy or pass ordinances

1427
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:47,680
but to honor the life of colleagues

1428
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:50,480
friends and who have left us too soon.

1429
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:52,960
I ask you for a pause with me for a

1430
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,359
moment of silence to remember the voices

1431
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:58,319
in this chamber, the laughter in the

1432
01:05:55,359 --> 01:06:01,039
hallways, their unwaving commitment to

1433
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:04,760
the people we serve. For Tim Miller,

1434
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:04,760
please hold pause.

1435
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:16,359
Thank you.

1436
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,960
» I'll make a motion to adopt today's

1437
01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:20,160
agenda.

1438
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,599
» Second.

1439
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:25,400
» Have a motion and a second. All in

1440
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:25,400
favor? I

1441
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:35,039
» Presentation

1442
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:38,039
recognition and pinning ceremony of

1443
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:38,039
firefighter

1444
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:51,520
mayor, members of the council, citizens

1445
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:53,359
of East Bethl, thank you for being here.

1446
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,200
Uh thank you for allowing us this

1447
01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:57,200
opportunity also to recognize two

1448
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:59,920
firefighters that are being pinned and

1449
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:04,160
graduating from probationary firefighter

1450
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:06,640
to uh to firefighter.

1451
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:10,559
Uh today we recognize

1452
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:12,079
uh Peter Boyham and Brandon Alfred for

1453
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:14,480
completing the rigorous 12-month

1454
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:16,480
probationary period. They have proven

1455
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:19,359
their skills, their grit, and their

1456
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:21,920
dedication to the city of East Bethl.

1457
01:07:19,359 --> 01:07:25,200
Each of these uh two gentlemen in front

1458
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:28,400
of you completed over 140 hours of

1459
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:31,839
classroom and hands-on training uh in

1460
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:35,920
the fire academy as well as 40 hours of

1461
01:07:31,839 --> 01:07:40,079
EMR or more for EMT training. Countless

1462
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:42,240
hours of studying and participating in

1463
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:44,880
study groups to pass the necessary

1464
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:47,680
tests. The city of East Bethl Fire

1465
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:50,079
Department also has a probationary book

1466
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:52,160
that we require of these candidates and

1467
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:55,359
it teaches them the way that East Bethl

1468
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:57,359
Fire Department operates and how we use

1469
01:07:55,359 --> 01:07:58,880
our equipment and how we serve the

1470
01:07:57,359 --> 01:08:00,720
public.

1471
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:05,480
I would like to congratulate you guys on

1472
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:05,480
completing that and being here.

1473
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:13,680
Good evening members of the council. Uh

1474
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:15,760
just a couple quick words um kind of to

1475
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,600
go over what we're doing here tonight.

1476
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,440
In a few moments, a family member or a

1477
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:22,239
mentor will step forward to pin a badge

1478
01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:24,560
over your heart. To the casual observer,

1479
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:26,799
this is a polished piece of metal, a

1480
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,560
part of a uniform, but to those who wear

1481
01:08:26,799 --> 01:08:30,319
it and the community we serve, it's a

1482
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,880
sacred symbol of lifealtering

1483
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:34,640
commitment. The badge is shaped like a

1484
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,560
shield for a reason. Historically, the

1485
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,880
shield was a warrior's primary tool of

1486
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,319
protection used to stand between a

1487
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,400
threat and those who cannot defend

1488
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:44,480
themselves. When you pin this badge on

1489
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,239
today, you are telling the citizens of

1490
01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:48,159
East Bethl that you are now their

1491
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:49,759
shield.

1492
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:52,400
This badge carries three distinct

1493
01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:54,159
weight. Three distinct weights. The

1494
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,839
weight of the past. You are wearing the

1495
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:57,839
reputation of every firefighter who has

1496
01:08:55,839 --> 01:09:00,080
come before you in this department.

1497
01:08:57,839 --> 01:09:02,239
Their sacrifices, their sweat, and their

1498
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:05,279
integrity are polished into that metal.

1499
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:07,839
do nothing to tarnish it. The way to the

1500
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:10,159
present. This badge identifies you as a

1501
01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:11,839
professional. When you step off the rig

1502
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:13,759
at a scene, people will look to this

1503
01:09:11,839 --> 01:09:16,480
badge for hope. It tells them that the

1504
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:18,400
help they prayed for has arrived.

1505
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:20,400
The weight of the future. By accepting

1506
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:22,480
this badge, you promise to be a guardian

1507
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:24,880
of the fire services traditions and a

1508
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:27,600
student of its future. You are now part

1509
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:29,679
of a lineage that never sleeps.

1510
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,199
As your family pins this badge today,

1511
01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:32,560
remember that it is pinned over your

1512
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:34,719
heart because that is where the true

1513
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,719
strength of a firefighter lies. It is

1514
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:38,239
not in the gear or the trucks. It is the

1515
01:09:36,719 --> 01:09:40,480
courage and the character of the person

1516
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:42,000
wearing that shield.

1517
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:45,120
Uh at this point, we'll have you guys

1518
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:47,440
stand at attention.

1519
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:49,440
And we'll have your family uh come

1520
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:52,440
forward and pin your badges on your

1521
01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:52,440
chest.

1522
01:10:18,903 --> 01:10:20,923
» [applause]

1523
01:10:27,418 --> 01:10:29,438
[applause]

1524
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:33,719
» Now the oath of office

1525
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:46,840
» I will citizens

1526
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,840
» And firefighters

1527
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,239
» With honor and integity

1528
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,560
» With honor and

1529
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:53,440
» That I will in all respects

1530
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,679
» I

1531
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:56,679
All respects

1532
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:06,040
of the United States

1533
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:06,040
United States of Minnesota.

1534
01:11:24,404 --> 01:11:26,424
» [applause]

1535
01:11:33,574 --> 01:11:37,679
[applause]

1536
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:41,040
» I am going to take this moment um we

1537
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:43,679
have a full house tonight. If I can and

1538
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:45,360
this is no disrespect any citizens. I

1539
01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:48,400
would like to invite all the East Bethl

1540
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:50,239
firefighters that came here to celebrate

1541
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,600
these gentlemen if we could just for a

1542
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:55,244
second.

1543
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,244
» Come on in. [applause]

1544
01:12:02,394 --> 01:12:04,414
[applause]

1545
01:12:12,219 --> 01:12:14,239
» [applause]

1546
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:26,159
» And I know that we have a significant

1547
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:29,120
amount of family here. I would also like

1548
01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:31,760
to thank them for sharing uh Peter and

1549
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:34,080
Brandon with us and allowing them to

1550
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:37,820
serve the community as we go forward.

1551
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:37,820
Thank you. [applause]

1552
01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:44,370
[applause]

1553
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:07,280
All right. Moving on to the public

1554
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:10,320
forum. I would want to remind you when

1555
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:12,640
you come up to the mic, speak your uh

1556
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,960
name, address,

1557
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,719
and uh

1558
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:19,920
remind yourself that you have three

1559
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:21,920
minutes basically to speak so we can get

1560
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,320
through everybody.

1561
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:25,920
At that time, I'll entertain. And I

1562
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,600
think it's

1563
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:31,120
it's hard to read the writing, but

1564
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,840
should I make two well

1565
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,095
» Stowall?

1566
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:36,115
» Stwell.

1567
01:13:34,095 --> 01:13:36,115
[clears throat]

1568
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:47,520
» I'm Channing Stoall. I live over on uh

1569
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:50,560
227th Lane just off East Bethl. Um I've

1570
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:53,120
been before this board several times uh

1571
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:57,520
in my capacity. I've last four years

1572
01:13:53,120 --> 01:14:00,400
I've served on the Anoka count county

1573
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:03,360
election integrity team and really

1574
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:06,960
tonight I'm more just a mailman uh

1575
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:11,280
distributing some details on the issue

1576
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:13,360
of uh marks of certification on our

1577
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:16,400
election equipment.

1578
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:19,120
Um I don't want to debate it. The real

1579
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:23,280
details are in the last four pages

1580
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:26,480
starting on 13. Uh I just wanted to

1581
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:30,880
circulate this document for you.

1582
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:33,360
Uh it was uh highlighted in Liz Collins

1583
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:38,480
more recent documentary

1584
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:40,960
uh Minnesota Mau. Um it happens that in

1585
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:43,679
April of 2027,

1586
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:46,480
I'm sorry, 2020,

1587
01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:49,600
um the

1588
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:53,440
both the EAC, the election

1589
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:57,600
uh acceptance commission, uh notified

1590
01:14:53,440 --> 01:15:01,600
ESS, the manufacturer of our equipment,

1591
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:05,840
uh that the equipment did not meet

1592
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:08,800
federal standards and that the marks of

1593
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:12,560
certification. The little stickers on

1594
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:15,840
the machines had to be removed and they

1595
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:18,080
were removed in April of 2027

1596
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:20,480
and to our understanding they've never

1597
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:22,880
been replaced. Now, there's a lot of

1598
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:24,719
issues involved with it and I don't want

1599
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:27,520
to discuss them right now, but I did

1600
01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:29,679
want to deliver this information to you.

1601
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:32,480
I think there will be more discussion to

1602
01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:35,520
come over the next several months and I

1603
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:37,600
wanted you to be informed as to uh the

1604
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:40,560
details on the situation. I'll be glad

1605
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:43,520
to answer other questions now or later.

1606
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:45,520
But uh that my main point is just to

1607
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:48,800
inform you and present you with some

1608
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:52,000
details because I know it will be uh

1609
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:54,640
discussed a lot more in the press.

1610
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:56,560
Any questions?

1611
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:58,880
» How do we fix it?

1612
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,719
How do we fix it? How do we make them

1613
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,159
back into compliance?

1614
01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:05,040
» How [clears throat] do we

1615
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:08,239
» Making them back into compliance?

1616
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:11,679
» Um, we're looking at that right now. Um

1617
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:14,560
it's there's a lot of legal details and

1618
01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:17,679
um I've we've got one member who spent

1619
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:20,159
over 1,200 hours looking into and

1620
01:16:17,679 --> 01:16:22,960
researching this uh backwards and

1621
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:25,120
forwards and uh we're in discussions

1622
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:28,400
with the county and the secretary of

1623
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:31,360
state now. Um

1624
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:33,120
and there's no resolution yet.

1625
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:36,640
» Thank you.

1626
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:38,880
» Thank you. You're welcome,

1627
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:43,040
» Mr. Lewis.

1628
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:46,068
» I know, but I'll take her.

1629
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,068
» Okay, [clears throat]

1630
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:56,400
» Mayor, council members, I'm Stacy

1631
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:59,040
Miller. I reside at 214437

1632
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:01,040
Street. I stand before you tonight to

1633
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:03,920
formally express my desire to be

1634
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:07,440
appointed to Phil Council Councilman

1635
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:09,440
Timothy Miller. My husband Tim Tim

1636
01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:11,280
Miller cared deeply about the community

1637
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:14,000
and took his responsibility as a

1638
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:16,880
councilman very seriously. He poured his

1639
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:19,760
heart, his time, his energy into serving

1640
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:22,320
this community. I had the privilege and

1641
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:24,640
the honor of standing side by side with

1642
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:27,920
him through every meeting and community

1643
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:30,400
event. Because of this, I understand the

1644
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:32,960
immense responsibility of the office,

1645
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:36,800
the challenges our city, our city faces,

1646
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:38,800
and the visions he had for the future.

1647
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:43,880
His passing has been a tremendous loss

1648
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:43,880
to our family and to this city.

1649
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:57,520
I am asking to replace him, but no one

1650
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:59,440
could ever replace him. But I would be

1651
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,120
honored to be considered for an

1652
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:04,640
appointment to fill the remainder of his

1653
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:07,199
term. My goal is my goal in stepping

1654
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:09,198
forward is not only to honor his memory,

1655
01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:11,360
but to ensure the continuity

1656
01:18:09,198 --> 01:18:14,439
[clears throat] for the residents we we

1657
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:15,520
serve together. I am already I am

1658
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,920
[clears throat] ready to step into the

1659
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:20,960
role immediately with zero learning

1660
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:24,400
curve to continue the vital work he

1661
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:26,080
started and a strong dedicated voice for

1662
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,000
our neighbors.

1663
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:31,679
I know this is a significant decision

1664
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:33,760
for our council and I ask your trust,

1665
01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:39,000
your vote to allow me to serve the

1666
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:39,000
community and its capacity. Thank you.

1667
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,920
might as well come up. Kevin,

1668
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:56,880
» Mayor, council members, city

1669
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:59,520
administrator look, community

1670
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:04,080
development director Johnson, and

1671
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:07,440
attorney Burgl and you folks.

1672
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:10,719
Over the course of the past few years, I

1673
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:12,239
became a good friend of Tim Mullers. We

1674
01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:14,800
started working together on the city

1675
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:16,640
council, but then it evolved into

1676
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,640
something more

1677
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:21,520
we both like to play pool, so we tried

1678
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:24,400
to have a pool match every week in the

1679
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:27,144
middle of which we would quit and

1680
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:28,239
take a break so he have a cigarette

1681
01:19:27,144 --> 01:19:31,040
[laughter]

1682
01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:34,239
and so Stacy could play cribage with us

1683
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:37,760
and that's how we became close friends.

1684
01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:40,880
Um, I'm aware that uh, well, first of

1685
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:42,640
all, Stacy's too modest to say this, but

1686
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:46,400
she's probably the smartest person in

1687
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:48,880
this room. She's extremely intelligent,

1688
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:51,760
and what she everything she said is true

1689
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:54,239
as far as how they worked as a team on

1690
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:56,719
preparation for city council meetings on

1691
01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:58,080
all that. I've never known a tighter

1692
01:19:56,719 --> 01:20:00,080
couple.

1693
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:03,040
I've been married to my wife, my lovely

1694
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:05,280
wife, for over 44 years, and we're not

1695
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:08,000
as tight as they are. So, I mean, it's

1696
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:10,560
it was remarkable. Best friends and

1697
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:12,880
counselors and all that.

1698
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:15,280
What we're what Stacy just asked you to

1699
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:18,719
do is customarily

1700
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:22,000
granted just on the face of it. It's

1701
01:20:18,719 --> 01:20:25,000
considered the right thing to do.

1702
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,000
Uh,

1703
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:32,800
excuse me. I'm having my own moment.

1704
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:35,040
Uh, there's things that are right and

1705
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:37,840
things that are prudent. As she said,

1706
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:41,600
she doesn't have a learning curve. She

1707
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:43,760
can step right in. Uh,

1708
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:45,679
it's talking about finishing a fourmonth

1709
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:49,840
plus term,

1710
01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:54,000
not running again or anything else. So

1711
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:57,120
on the basis of custom on the basis of

1712
01:20:54,000 --> 01:21:00,120
the right thing to do on the basis of

1713
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,120
humanity

1714
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:05,440
you need to grant her request. Thank

1715
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:08,000
you.

1716
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:10,080
Thank you, Kevin.

1717
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:13,080
Uh,

1718
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:13,080
Hermanson.

1719
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:22,159
Good evening, uh, mayor and council

1720
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:23,760
members. We are Aaron and Michelle

1721
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:26,320
Hermanson.

1722
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:29,199
We are here tonight in support of the

1723
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:31,679
flex building, um, and the conditional

1724
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:34,159
use permit for a house of worship um,

1725
01:21:31,679 --> 01:21:36,239
being renovation church to occupy that

1726
01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:38,560
building.

1727
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:41,600
Uh we've been residents of East Bethl

1728
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:43,920
for nine years. Uh we love East Bethl.

1729
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:46,480
Uh we have raised expanded our family in

1730
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,840
East Bethl and it's been a blessing. Um

1731
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:49,280
but for the duration of those nine

1732
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:52,000
years, we've also been commuting to

1733
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:54,480
Blaine to go to church. And what we

1734
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:56,000
found at Renovation Church is something

1735
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:59,679
that it sounds like this room needs and

1736
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:01,920
that's hope um community connections and

1737
01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:04,080
really deep Yeah. connections and joy.

1738
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:06,080
And so it would be such a privilege to

1739
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:10,600
not commute 20 minutes and to have a

1740
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:10,600
house worship here in our city.

1741
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:16,080
» Yeah. Uh Michelle and I know um the

1742
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,679
value firsthand what uh this church and

1743
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,199
the impact the church has done in our in

1744
01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:21,679
our lives or many lives and our famil

1745
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:23,840
family's lives. Um that we just love to

1746
01:22:21,679 --> 01:22:26,719
bring that uh sense of community and joy

1747
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:30,639
to East Bethle. So, thank you for your

1748
01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:31,760
time and your um

1749
01:22:30,639 --> 01:22:34,880
consideration.

1750
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:38,800
» All right. Thank you. [clears throat]

1751
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:39,600
» Uh Gabriel Gabriel

1752
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,120
» Hansen.

1753
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,920
» Hi there.

1754
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:46,159
» Gabriel Hansen, 4434 217th Avenue

1755
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,520
Northeast. Um some of you may remember

1756
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:49,920
me from my time on the planning

1757
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:51,679
commission several years ago. Um this

1758
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:54,000
may seem out of context. I'm also here

1759
01:22:51,679 --> 01:22:57,040
in regards to the uh conditional use

1760
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:58,880
permit for Renovation Church. Um that

1761
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:00,159
being said, I mean, as we say the pledge

1762
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,960
of allegiance, you know, one nation

1763
01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:07,600
under God and God we trust. Um I don't

1764
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:11,040
believe it's ever out of place. Um as uh

1765
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:13,040
they had just spoken about, um

1766
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,639
renovation church in Blaine was

1767
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:18,560
something that me and my wife had been

1768
01:23:14,639 --> 01:23:19,920
looking for for a long time. um gone

1769
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,280
around since we were married looking at

1770
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:24,320
different churches, never feeling

1771
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,840
anywhere that felt like church. It felt

1772
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,520
like a building. You go in, you you

1773
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:30,320
worship, you listen to a message, you

1774
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:32,880
leave, and that's it. It's like a um a

1775
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:35,920
product you buy. But then uh we started

1776
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:37,840
to attend renovation. They they are so

1777
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:40,560
focused and intentional about community

1778
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:41,920
and building relationships amongst the

1779
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:45,360
church, not just being a building that

1780
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:48,960
you come to to worship and to uh do your

1781
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:50,960
you know good deeds. Um it is it is

1782
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:53,920
truly what a church should look like.

1783
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:55,679
And I believe um you know as we look

1784
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,679
around a room full of people, some who

1785
01:23:55,679 --> 01:24:01,840
are grieving, Stacy, my condolences to

1786
01:23:57,679 --> 01:24:04,239
you. Um we need this. We need a place

1787
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:06,400
that focuses not just on getting people

1788
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:07,760
in to a building, but on sending them

1789
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,080
out and creating the community here in

1790
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:12,239
East Bethl that we strive for, that

1791
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:15,120
you're working here for, but I believe

1792
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:17,520
that only a church like renovation can

1793
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:20,320
help build. Thank you.

1794
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:23,040
» Thank you.

1795
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:25,600
Consent agenda.

1796
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:28,800
» I'll make a motion to approve the

1797
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:31,120
consent agenda. And I'd like to pull

1798
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,920
item G, please.

1799
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,920
» G.

1800
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,920
» Yes.

1801
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:41,120
» Anything else needed to be pulled?

1802
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:44,159
Somebody second it. Second. Have a

1803
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:47,440
motion and a second. Uh, all those in

1804
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:49,600
favor of the amended consent agenda?

1805
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:50,480
» I I opposed.

1806
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:55,040
» Item G.

1807
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:57,199
» Item G. I it's for the wells um

1808
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:59,840
the backup generators for wells one and

1809
01:24:57,199 --> 01:25:03,080
two. Can you tell me where wells one and

1810
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:03,080
two are?

1811
01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:13,199
» Good evening mayor and council. Uh wells

1812
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:16,560
one and two service the northern portion

1813
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:18,400
of the city. So 241st and 65 area

1814
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:21,504
whispering Aspen up in that part of the

1815
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,320
city. So, because if they were

1816
01:25:21,504 --> 01:25:25,600
[clears throat]

1817
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:28,320
down here off of Viking, I would say,

1818
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:30,880
shouldn't the developer of Viking um

1819
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:34,560
preserve and capstone and Elivage

1820
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:38,960
contribute to the final monies that need

1821
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:40,560
to be used? Um so, why wouldn't the

1822
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:42,560
developers

1823
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:44,880
and the residents

1824
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:47,840
pay for that? Why would the rest of the

1825
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:51,199
city have to pay for

1826
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:53,360
out of like I have a well and a septic

1827
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:56,159
if mine goes out I can't come to the

1828
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:59,440
city and say hey all taxpayers come and

1829
01:25:56,159 --> 01:26:04,239
help me pay give me $20,000 to refill my

1830
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:06,960
well redo my well redo my septic. So why

1831
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:09,840
can't the people just up there pay or

1832
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:15,199
the developer up there or whoever? Why

1833
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:17,679
is it going to be this $27,000 left um

1834
01:26:15,199 --> 01:26:19,679
be put on the all of the taxpayers?

1835
01:26:17,679 --> 01:26:21,600
» So, wells three and four had generators

1836
01:26:19,679 --> 01:26:23,199
put in with that project initially. So,

1837
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,600
those those have backup generation

1838
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:27,199
already. Uh this portion will be

1839
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:29,280
financed through these three grants that

1840
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:30,480
we applied for and were awarded. The

1841
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,239
rest of the money will come from our

1842
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:33,920
enterprise fund which is not general

1843
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:36,320
fund money. It's not the taxpayers of

1844
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:37,840
East Bethl. It's only the water users.

1845
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,639
So it's it's an enterprise fund that's

1846
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,040
paid for by

1847
01:26:38,639 --> 01:26:41,440
» So it is only the water. Okay. Perfect.

1848
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,600
Thank you.

1849
01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:45,440
» The whole city on water, not not the uh

1850
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:47,120
not people on sepic.

1851
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:48,960
» Got it. All right. Thank you. Just

1852
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:51,440
because people were worried about hey,

1853
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:54,480
why am I paying for that? Okay. Thank

1854
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:56,400
you. With that, I'll approve item G of

1855
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:57,760
I'll make a motion to approve item G of

1856
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,520
the consent agenda.

1857
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:02,639
» Second. Have a [clears throat] motion.

1858
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:04,719
Second. Any further discussion?

1859
01:27:02,639 --> 01:27:08,880
» None being heard. All those in favor?

1860
01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:11,679
» I. Motion passes.

1861
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:14,679
Seven. Uh, new new business. Planning

1862
01:27:11,679 --> 01:27:14,679
Commission.

1863
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:20,400
» All right. Thank you, Mayor and Council.

1864
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:22,480
Again, if I move away from the mic, just

1865
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:25,199
yell at me again. I got to drift away.

1866
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:27,600
Right. Um,

1867
01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:31,520
so tonight we have four items uh or

1868
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:34,000
three items related to uh an an entity

1869
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:36,639
known as final approach. I'll go through

1870
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:41,360
them as as as reasonably quickly as I as

1871
01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:45,040
I can, but they all are intertwined and

1872
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:47,199
um just preface all of this by saying um

1873
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:51,040
the text amendment is the first piece of

1874
01:27:47,199 --> 01:27:52,960
this uh request from final approach. And

1875
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:56,080
if that's something that's generally

1876
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:59,679
positive to you, then the the next step

1877
01:27:56,080 --> 01:28:02,400
of the um preliminary plat

1878
01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:05,600
um their site plan and a conditional use

1879
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:08,880
permit um would would then be in order.

1880
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:11,840
Um and then thirdly would be the the

1881
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:14,639
aforementioned um place of worship

1882
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:16,400
within that flex building. So I'll just

1883
01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:18,719
go through these um certainly are

1884
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:20,719
independent actions um but that's the

1885
01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:24,800
the basis of all of them. So they they

1886
01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:26,960
do go in order. Um

1887
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,960
so I mentioned uh final approach is

1888
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,880
requesting a zoning text amendment to

1889
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:33,280
section 47

1890
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:35,280
of your highway commercial B3 zoning

1891
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:37,679
district which is appendix A of your

1892
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:39,520
code. Uh the proposed amendment would

1893
01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:42,159
add business flex buildings as a

1894
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:44,320
conditional use uh within the B3 highway

1895
01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:46,800
commercial district subject to tenant

1896
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:48,560
use limitations, prohibited uses, and

1897
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:52,000
the definition of a business flex

1898
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:53,360
building. So, um, this is the specific

1899
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,679
language you see on your screen.

1900
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:58,080
Certainly, this was in your packet. Um,

1901
01:28:55,679 --> 01:29:00,639
but what they're looking to build is a

1902
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:04,960
multi-tenant building that would that

1903
01:29:00,639 --> 01:29:08,000
would be able to house um permitted uh

1904
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:10,800
uses in your industrial zone and

1905
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:13,199
permitted uses in your B3 district as

1906
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:15,600
well as uh conditional uses in your

1907
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:19,040
industrial zone and conditional uses in

1908
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:22,000
your um B3 district. So the goal

1909
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:25,600
fundamentally is for employmentbased

1910
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:28,320
um investment and operations there.

1911
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:30,159
However, following more to a formbbased

1912
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:31,520
zoning where it's more important

1913
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:33,520
shouldn't say more important but it's

1914
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:35,760
important about how the building looks

1915
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:39,040
on the exterior. How does it fit into

1916
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:41,199
that neighborhood? Um and does it cause

1917
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:44,560
and and would it cause anything

1918
01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:46,719
incompatible with noise, odors, um

1919
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:49,199
outside storage? So that's that's the

1920
01:29:46,719 --> 01:29:51,760
the basis of what a flex building

1921
01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:54,239
essentially uh is trying to accomplish.

1922
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:57,040
Um again that's just the language of it.

1923
01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:59,760
Um but let's just see what the the in

1924
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:02,719
this case the applicant is um proposing

1925
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:04,639
a building and this is what that flex

1926
01:30:02,719 --> 01:30:07,840
building would essentially look like.

1927
01:30:04,639 --> 01:30:12,080
It's a 21,000 square foot building with

1928
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:14,960
potentially four four uh

1929
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:17,679
distinct entrances. But how they con

1930
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:20,159
configured the building internally um

1931
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:22,800
would probably be up to further

1932
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:25,920
discussion by the applicant and the

1933
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:28,639
tenants they could receive. Um so that's

1934
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:30,800
that is what a flex building is is

1935
01:30:28,639 --> 01:30:34,000
generally all about. Um your current

1936
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:35,840
code does not have that capacity uh now.

1937
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,080
So that is why they're asking for that

1938
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:41,679
to be added. In effect, it's allowing

1939
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:44,239
the industrial zone within your B3

1940
01:30:41,679 --> 01:30:46,960
district only in this building. And on

1941
01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:50,320
the screen, you have um where that

1942
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:52,239
zoning is. Again, that's B3

1943
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:55,120
um

1944
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:56,880
as shown. Um

1945
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:59,120
that neighborhood already is a

1946
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:02,560
multi-dimensional

1947
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:06,639
or multi- different uses of of space.

1948
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:08,480
Again, the the proposed uses here um for

1949
01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:10,560
that building and and how that text

1950
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:13,120
amendment would offer that, but you do

1951
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:15,360
have industrial uses nearby. You have a

1952
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:19,199
mixed use with the apartment complex and

1953
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:21,920
the remaining are are commercial. Um

1954
01:31:19,199 --> 01:31:23,920
none of these operators in this

1955
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:27,199
district, even in the industrial zone,

1956
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:28,800
are heavy manufacturers, so to speak. I

1957
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:32,320
mean, these are all essentially light

1958
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:37,120
industrial and largely compatible um and

1959
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:39,199
how they function. Um the the same area

1960
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:42,159
is also zone I'm sorry from your land

1961
01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:45,600
use planning um mixed use. So it's

1962
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:50,719
looking to find a a balance between

1963
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:53,440
commercial industrial potentially even

1964
01:31:50,719 --> 01:31:56,320
different kinds of of commercial space.

1965
01:31:53,440 --> 01:31:59,280
Um so that that's your your comp plan

1966
01:31:56,320 --> 01:32:02,960
zoning. Um but a text amendment is

1967
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:05,600
important to understand also applies in

1968
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:08,639
not just in one space. It applies at all

1969
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:11,600
your B3 districts. Um and in in your

1970
01:32:08,639 --> 01:32:14,560
city in in East Bethl um you have this

1971
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:16,800
area largely south of Viking, south of

1972
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:20,880
by the holiday or the Circle K and the

1973
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:24,719
Quick Trip. Um you have this space um

1974
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:27,440
further north um near Minnesota farms

1975
01:32:24,719 --> 01:32:29,920
and then and then the land um I believe

1976
01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:32,080
this is Sims on this scale. Um so you

1977
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:35,040
have a smattering of these parcels um

1978
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:36,639
across the city but in terms of um

1979
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:38,480
they're all within your commercial

1980
01:32:36,639 --> 01:32:41,280
corridor which you have identified as

1981
01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:46,239
roughly within a thousand feet 1500 feet

1982
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:48,239
of your 36 of your 65 corridor. Um,

1983
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:52,600
so that's that's kind of the the basis

1984
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:52,600
of that. Um,

1985
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,960
planning commission held a public

1986
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,800
hearing on July 28th, reviewed the

1987
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,639
proposed amendment, considered staff

1988
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:04,960
reports and exhibits, certainly received

1989
01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:06,880
public testimony, and ultimately adopted

1990
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:08,880
a resolution of support which is in your

1991
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:13,199
packet PC

1992
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:16,159
uh 26-11 recommending approval.

1993
01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:18,639
Um the amendment I just to reiterate a

1994
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:22,320
little bit the amendment would um

1995
01:33:18,639 --> 01:33:25,199
maintain a conditional use permit for a

1996
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:28,239
building such as this. So a multi-tenant

1997
01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:29,760
building could not just show up and a

1998
01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:31,520
developer could not just show up and

1999
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:33,679
propose a building like this. You would

2000
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:36,880
still have a site plan review and the

2001
01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:40,239
building itself operates and can only be

2002
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:42,480
placed by a conditional use permit. Um

2003
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:45,920
so you would always have another way to

2004
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:48,159
review you uh the applicant um before

2005
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:50,639
they could build a structure like this

2006
01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:53,760
or how the site plan works or their

2007
01:33:50,639 --> 01:33:56,320
potential tenant mix. Um the second

2008
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:59,520
piece of that is when a building were to

2009
01:33:56,320 --> 01:34:02,159
go in, some of the applicants, as you'll

2010
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:04,400
hear tonight, must then receive an

2011
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:07,040
additional conditional use permit. In

2012
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:10,480
this case, a place of worship um under

2013
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:12,880
your B3 code. So, in a lot of ways, this

2014
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:16,159
does offer a lot of flexibility to the

2015
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:18,800
land owner um in your B3 district.

2016
01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:23,440
However, I think it provides the city

2017
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:27,040
with a pretty um pretty strong capacity

2018
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:28,800
to review each each site on a case-byase

2019
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:32,239
basis. Again, with the goal of

2020
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:35,679
preventing noise, incompatibility,

2021
01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:38,080
um and and um other things that may

2022
01:34:35,679 --> 01:34:43,440
affect the neighborhood. Last thing I'd

2023
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:46,719
add is your B3 district um can already

2024
01:34:43,440 --> 01:34:48,960
enable or permit um uses that may well

2025
01:34:46,719 --> 01:34:50,960
exceed a neighborhood impact such

2026
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:54,480
compared to a building like this for

2027
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:57,280
example um a holiday a quick trip which

2028
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:59,040
is a B3 district certainly has a lot of

2029
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:01,040
traffic certainly has a lot of light

2030
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:05,600
certainly has a lot of noise whereas

2031
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:07,520
this flex building is intended to um be

2032
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:10,400
more employmentbased

2033
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:14,080
um and and not have that uh high

2034
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:15,760
commercial capacity. Um so again, the

2035
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:17,840
planning commission did make a

2036
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:20,159
recommendation for it. Uh certainly

2037
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:22,239
staff also believes that the proposed

2038
01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:24,800
amendment is reasonable and provides a

2039
01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:27,760
controlled zoning pathway for modern

2040
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:29,280
commercial employment oriented building.

2041
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:31,360
Um

2042
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:33,520
the amendment preserves a B3 zoning

2043
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:36,800
framework, maintains city review

2044
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:38,639
authority um throughout the process and

2045
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:42,400
includes limitations to prevent

2046
01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:45,199
incompatible uses. Um so ultimately

2047
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:48,080
staff would also recommend um approval

2048
01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:49,760
and in your packet there is um city

2049
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:53,280
ordinance and this is again done by

2050
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:55,679
ordinance um

2051
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:58,159
city ordinance

2052
01:35:55,679 --> 01:36:00,320
2026-02.

2053
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:02,239
Um and that language as I shown is

2054
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:04,239
embedded in this. The rest is you know a

2055
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:08,080
lot of legal ease. no offense our city

2056
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:11,199
attorney. But uh one thing I did want to

2057
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:13,199
note in this resolution is section four

2058
01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:14,719
um is that this ordinance like all

2059
01:36:13,199 --> 01:36:16,960
ordinances would ultimately have to be

2060
01:36:14,719 --> 01:36:19,760
published for it to come into effect. We

2061
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:23,280
would withhold the publishing until um

2062
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:25,280
the related development um would uh

2063
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:27,760
potentially

2064
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:30,080
be fully approved which we'll talk about

2065
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:33,520
next. the development agreement signed

2066
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:36,239
the plat done um and once all those

2067
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:39,920
securityers are in place uh these would

2068
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:44,239
then be published. So, some a lot of

2069
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:46,800
cities do um approve a

2070
01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:49,600
a development with a resoning, but if

2071
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:52,480
the resoning uh doesn't go through or

2072
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:54,560
isn't or isn't triggered um or I'm

2073
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:56,800
sorry, they'll approve a project with a

2074
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:58,239
building, a development um with a

2075
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:00,480
resoning, but if they don't do the

2076
01:36:58,239 --> 01:37:02,480
development, the resoning doesn't

2077
01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:04,639
doesn't uh go into effect. So, one

2078
01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:07,360
begets the other. So, with that, that's

2079
01:37:04,639 --> 01:37:09,360
a lot. Um, and that is our

2080
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:13,400
recommendation to you all to adopt

2081
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:13,400
ordinance 2026-02.

2082
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:19,360
» I have a suggestion. Can we take off the

2083
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:22,320
cannabis stuff off the list and if it

2084
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:24,239
means even if it means changing an or

2085
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:27,360
ordinance to limit the city of East

2086
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:28,560
Bethl to one cannabis place because we

2087
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:30,560
already have that. We don't need

2088
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:32,480
anymore.

2089
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:35,040
Um, and I've certainly deferred to the

2090
01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:39,199
city attorney about how that could be.

2091
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:41,280
Um, I do know that the cannabis elements

2092
01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:42,960
um and the limitations would be carried

2093
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:44,719
through to this building. This building

2094
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:47,280
would not

2095
01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:50,320
be granted anything additional other

2096
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:51,840
than is already propo already limited by

2097
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:54,320
statute. Um,

2098
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:56,239
» Because cannabis is on its first list

2099
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:58,800
that says it's approved and I'm like no,

2100
01:37:56,239 --> 01:38:00,880
» It is it is an approved. it is approved

2101
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:05,159
in

2102
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:05,159
in your B3 district.

2103
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:10,320
So So I think what he's saying is that

2104
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:13,119
that that that this type of building

2105
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:15,040
could still have in it uses that already

2106
01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:16,960
are already approved for that type of

2107
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:18,639
dis in that district. It doesn't mean

2108
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:21,520
that there going to be any more and the

2109
01:38:18,639 --> 01:38:24,719
the number of cannabis retail operations

2110
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:26,880
and so forth is limited by the uh state

2111
01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:29,280
statute to by population. So that this

2112
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:31,360
won't change that or add additional

2113
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,719
cannabis businesses,

2114
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,840
» But that is already a permitted use

2115
01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:37,040
within D3.

2116
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:37,679
» But can we prevent any cannabis

2117
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:41,280
» In these buildings

2118
01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:43,199
» Uses in those buildings? Can we can we

2119
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:45,360
create an ordinance that says we can

2120
01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:49,199
only have one in the city and which we

2121
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:50,719
kind of already have? Uh can we um

2122
01:38:49,199 --> 01:38:52,560
» We have an ordinance that says we can

2123
01:38:50,719 --> 01:38:54,560
have two.

2124
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:59,840
» Yeah. Uh I believe one of the conditions

2125
01:38:54,560 --> 01:39:01,280
is a th00and foot radius. Uh is would

2126
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:04,239
this flex building be within the

2127
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:07,040
thousand foot radius? It remember the

2128
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:08,719
the flex building

2129
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:12,320
ordinance

2130
01:39:08,719 --> 01:39:13,920
um if adopted would apply at all your B3

2131
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:17,040
districts. So when an applicant would

2132
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:22,560
come in you could do that

2133
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:24,560
radius at that time. um if this were in

2134
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:27,280
effect and they built their building at

2135
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:29,040
a in a in a oper and I'm certainly

2136
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:32,000
deferring anyone here. So, and they they

2137
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:33,600
they came in and and wanted to go into

2138
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:36,480
one of these shops or one of these

2139
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:38,639
spaces. Um at that point, we'd have to

2140
01:39:36,480 --> 01:39:40,960
do the analysis and say where are they

2141
01:39:38,639 --> 01:39:43,280
and where are the current ones and is

2142
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:44,800
there a license available if I'm not

2143
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:46,800
mistaken.

2144
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:48,400
But if a church were in there, a

2145
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:49,119
cannabis place wouldn't be allowed,

2146
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,280
right?

2147
01:39:49,119 --> 01:39:52,960
» I whatever the statute or the ordinance

2148
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:54,719
would preclude it, right?

2149
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:57,719
» You know,

2150
01:39:54,719 --> 01:39:57,719
geographication.

2151
01:39:58,480 --> 01:40:06,080
So, if if the council wanted to um

2152
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:08,560
suggest a further amendment to the

2153
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:10,000
prohibited uses,

2154
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,880
» Um

2155
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:15,920
» I don't know how I if the council wanted

2156
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:17,040
to to further limit the uses of a flex

2157
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:19,520
building because this is the first time

2158
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:21,920
a flex building is going to be approved.

2159
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:24,560
If you wanted to, you know, manage it

2160
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:25,520
down to that, you you could do that. So

2161
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:28,480
you could [clears throat] say flex

2162
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:32,080
building is approved. But since it's a

2163
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:33,920
new thing, despite the fact that having

2164
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:37,360
met all the other regulations and all

2165
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:40,560
the other ordinances, a cannabis retail

2166
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:42,639
establishment could be in that B3 zone.

2167
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:43,760
You can say it can't be in a B in a flex

2168
01:40:42,639 --> 01:40:45,679
building in B3 zone.

2169
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:48,560
» Let's do that.

2170
01:40:45,679 --> 01:40:50,560
» It cannot be in a flex building.

2171
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,840
So, it would be we'd have to tweak the

2172
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:53,280
language on this a little bit, but if

2173
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:53,760
that's what the council wants, that can

2174
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:56,480
be done.

2175
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:59,920
» I mean, that's my my opinion. It's up to

2176
01:40:56,480 --> 01:41:02,800
you guys, but my opinion is stop as much

2177
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:04,880
of that as I can out here.

2178
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:07,199
» I agree with what you're saying for sure

2179
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:08,800
on that with the flex buildings. I got a

2180
01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:11,840
question too with the flex buildings.

2181
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:13,520
Now, are they do we have a distance that

2182
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:15,920
they're going to be off the main highway

2183
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:18,480
like a half a mile or whatever it is?

2184
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:22,000
» No, there's only So it would only be

2185
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:24,880
applicable in your B3 district. Um so

2186
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:28,480
which which in your B3 district most of

2187
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:29,199
these are um within that within that

2188
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:29,760
range.

2189
01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:30,080
» The range.

2190
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,760
» Yeah.

2191
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:33,679
» Because I know a lot of them are, you

2192
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:36,239
know, concrete buildings and stuff like

2193
01:41:33,679 --> 01:41:37,760
that where this is a steel frame

2194
01:41:36,239 --> 01:41:40,400
building.

2195
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:44,400
And I'm just wondering, my opinion is

2196
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:46,635
that if uh we mix them in with these

2197
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:48,320
other buildings that are businesses

2198
01:41:46,635 --> 01:41:51,199
[clears throat] that have spent millions

2199
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:55,119
of dollars building these buildings, how

2200
01:41:51,199 --> 01:41:57,119
is that going to look to them or the

2201
01:41:55,119 --> 01:41:58,320
residents?

2202
01:41:57,119 --> 01:41:59,760
You know what I mean? It's like they're

2203
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:01,280
a nice looking building, the flex

2204
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:03,920
buildings. But

2205
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:08,400
» Well, this is one design um from this

2206
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:10,639
applicant uh for example. Um and in in

2207
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:14,480
reviewing it, they're in compliance with

2208
01:42:10,639 --> 01:42:15,119
your city's um architectural standards.

2209
01:42:14,480 --> 01:42:17,280
» Okay.

2210
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:19,520
» Um your your architectural standards

2211
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:20,880
don't stipulate concrete tip up

2212
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:23,440
building. It stipulates.

2213
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:26,400
» So the front elevation would be

2214
01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:27,679
» The the top one and that would face 65.

2215
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:31,119
» Right. Okay.

2216
01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:32,719
» So the sides could be steel. Well, the

2217
01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:34,719
the applicant

2218
01:42:32,719 --> 01:42:36,639
» Well the that is I mean certainly the

2219
01:42:34,719 --> 01:42:39,440
applicant is is present and they could

2220
01:42:36,639 --> 01:42:42,800
talk about the the materials but they're

2221
01:42:39,440 --> 01:42:45,679
they are uh

2222
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:48,719
they they did bring

2223
01:42:45,679 --> 01:42:50,560
um material samples to the planning

2224
01:42:48,719 --> 01:42:54,480
commission and I believe they found

2225
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:57,760
those to be quite favorable. Um those

2226
01:42:54,480 --> 01:43:02,320
are wood composite and uh the structural

2227
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:05,040
steel side um the gray areas were

2228
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:07,280
textured. It's not the traditional maybe

2229
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:08,320
that we all might know a pole building

2230
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:09,920
to be your

2231
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:12,800
» I mean that's came a long ways.

2232
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:14,719
» Yeah. I don't think that's again I'm not

2233
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:17,760
an architect. I mean that's a flavor

2234
01:43:14,719 --> 01:43:19,920
thing, right? But I I think it it it

2235
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:22,239
certainly met the the intent of your the

2236
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:26,239
amount of glazing, the glass, the the

2237
01:43:22,239 --> 01:43:29,280
eyebrows, the overhangs. Certainly it it

2238
01:43:26,239 --> 01:43:33,040
it it's an attractive looking building.

2239
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:33,840
» Um but your code does not stipulate

2240
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:36,000
concrete.

2241
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:39,560
» Okay.

2242
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:39,560
» That's all I got.

2243
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:46,800
» Um for the sake of and to to council

2244
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:50,400
member 's comment and maybe what you

2245
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:52,400
folks might desire. Um there is a there

2246
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:58,000
is a time and question at least in terms

2247
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:59,679
of working with this applicant. Um uh

2248
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:01,760
if there was an amendment to the

2249
01:43:59,679 --> 01:44:06,760
prohibited uses

2250
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:06,760
um under in your ordinance

2251
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:23,920
where it says prohibited uses. Um,

2252
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:25,840
I think we'd have to words smmith that a

2253
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:30,000
little bit, but would you be comfortable

2254
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:32,960
with passing in this ordinance with

2255
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:35,760
allowing staff to fill in that blank

2256
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:36,800
basically prohibiting uh cannabis

2257
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:39,520
related businesses?

2258
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:41,040
» Yes. Yes. In fact, if it's resolution

2259
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:42,320
202637,

2260
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:44,000
I was going to say that with the

2261
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:47,280
condition that

2262
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:50,000
» That cannabis use be prohibited.

2263
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:52,800
» Would this uh Mr. Bergland, is that okay

2264
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:54,480
from your standpoint if we do that or

2265
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:56,560
» Yes. Okay.

2266
01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:59,440
» We would try to keep it simple and and

2267
01:44:56,560 --> 01:45:01,119
straightforward. Um but if if you're

2268
01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:05,280
comfortable with that, then what we have

2269
01:45:01,119 --> 01:45:08,800
before you would be ordinance 2026-02

2270
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:13,639
um with uh that change relating to

2271
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:13,639
prohibiting cannabis related businesses.

2272
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:21,159
» So I have to say ordinance 202602

2273
01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:21,159
» 2026-2.

2274
01:45:23,199 --> 01:45:28,400
» Oh, okay. All right. Right. I'll make a

2275
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:32,080
motion to approve ordinance 2026-02

2276
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:36,639
with the condition that staff modifies

2277
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:39,360
prohibited use to include cannabis I

2278
01:45:36,639 --> 01:45:42,080
businesses.

2279
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:45,360
» Second. Have a motion and second. Any

2280
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:48,719
further discussion?

2281
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:52,199
» None being heard. All those in favor?

2282
01:45:48,719 --> 01:45:52,199
Motion passes.

2283
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:20,639
your next one there, Eric.

2284
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:24,080
» Oh, I'm sorry, Mayor. I was waiting for

2285
01:46:20,639 --> 01:46:26,239
you. Uh, yes. Uh, thank you again. Um,

2286
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:28,719
again, I talked about a lot of these

2287
01:46:26,239 --> 01:46:30,159
things are interlacing, so I I'll I'll

2288
01:46:28,719 --> 01:46:32,560
spare you all. the the planning

2289
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:35,679
commission uh three-hour marathon, but

2290
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:39,119
you'll see see some some similar maps.

2291
01:46:35,679 --> 01:46:41,679
Um again, uh final approach development

2292
01:46:39,119 --> 01:46:43,440
um have requested review of a

2293
01:46:41,679 --> 01:46:45,119
preliminary plat final plat and

2294
01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:49,440
conditional use permanent site plan

2295
01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:53,280
review for um their plat entitled final

2296
01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:55,520
approach east bethl edition located

2297
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:58,000
uh east of Ulysi Street, west of Highway

2298
01:46:55,520 --> 01:47:01,119
65. The proposal ultimately includes

2299
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:03,360
approximately 21,600 foot multi-tenant

2300
01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:06,320
business flex building. Now again,

2301
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:08,719
you've approved the the

2302
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:10,639
philosophy of the text amendment. Um

2303
01:47:08,719 --> 01:47:12,639
together parking, loading areas,

2304
01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:14,800
internal circulation, water, sewer

2305
01:47:12,639 --> 01:47:17,679
extensions, grading, storm water

2306
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:21,199
facilities, etc. Again, the property is

2307
01:47:17,679 --> 01:47:23,119
zone B3 um have a commercial mixeduse

2308
01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:26,560
under the comprehensive plan and located

2309
01:47:23,119 --> 01:47:28,719
within the city's um metropolitan urban

2310
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:30,800
service area. Planning commission did

2311
01:47:28,719 --> 01:47:33,360
review this application

2312
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:35,760
um uh the submitted plans, reports,

2313
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:39,040
engineering exhibits, public testimony.

2314
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:42,719
It's July 28th meeting and recommended

2315
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:46,400
adoption of the proposed plan um in

2316
01:47:42,719 --> 01:47:51,520
their resolution PC26-12.

2317
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:54,080
Um and this is the uh proposed site. You

2318
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:57,040
see the um the building that I showed

2319
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:59,520
the elevations of would sit in in in

2320
01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:01,840
this location just east of Ulissi

2321
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:04,960
Street. The developer would be required

2322
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:09,040
to extend Ulissi Street down here um

2323
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:12,239
south of the two apartment complexes. Um

2324
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:13,600
an appropriate culdeac. There are util

2325
01:48:12,239 --> 01:48:17,520
water and sewer utilities that would

2326
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:21,600
have to be extended south from uh

2327
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:26,400
Ulisses and 185th. These would be their

2328
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:29,280
expense. Um the site uh has adequate

2329
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:32,239
parking. Um they have adequate storm

2330
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:35,119
water facilities located south of the

2331
01:48:32,239 --> 01:48:38,239
parking lot. There's also some uh storm

2332
01:48:35,119 --> 01:48:41,199
water facilities uh just adjacent to the

2333
01:48:38,239 --> 01:48:44,560
culde-sac. Um city engineers reviewed

2334
01:48:41,199 --> 01:48:47,520
these uh the submission from a plat

2335
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:49,520
appropriateness and um and ability to

2336
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,880
achieve all the city's rules. Um

2337
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:53,679
certainly there'll always be some tweaks

2338
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:56,159
and adjustments, but um found that to be

2339
01:48:53,679 --> 01:48:58,159
favorable. Um from a traffic impact

2340
01:48:56,159 --> 01:49:01,360
standpoint, the applicant did bring a

2341
01:48:58,159 --> 01:49:02,719
traffic analysis um it was reviewed by

2342
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:05,840
by the city and there were no

2343
01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:08,000
anticipated level of service impacts um

2344
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:11,920
at 183rd

2345
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:15,760
um by um Holiday and its interface with

2346
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:18,080
Highway 65. Um

2347
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:21,360
the remaining sites to the west will

2348
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:27,360
remain in an outlot. A um certainly the

2349
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:29,520
developer uh has uh uh thoughts to um do

2350
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:32,800
some building uh in the high ground or

2351
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:35,199
the non-wetland areas potentially here

2352
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:38,400
and then over on the western side of the

2353
01:49:35,199 --> 01:49:41,119
site. Um most of outlot A is encumbered

2354
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:44,080
by wetlands. There is a a county

2355
01:49:41,119 --> 01:49:47,360
drainage ditch that lies to the south.

2356
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:50,239
Um u but as far as the site conditions

2357
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:55,360
go, the the primary goal is this upper

2358
01:49:50,239 --> 01:49:58,960
right hand corner um is uh

2359
01:49:55,360 --> 01:50:01,520
positive. Um

2360
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:03,280
ultimately if this were approved

2361
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:05,199
um preparation and development agreement

2362
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:07,040
addressing the extension of utilities

2363
01:50:05,199 --> 01:50:10,159
from Ulysi Street, water and sewer

2364
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:11,840
extensions, drainage and storm water um

2365
01:50:10,159 --> 01:50:13,760
elements would have to be dealt with.

2366
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:16,400
financial securities, inspection costs,

2367
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:18,080
what have you. Um, we would bring that

2368
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:20,239
development agreement back to you for

2369
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:22,880
final approval once that were uh

2370
01:50:20,239 --> 01:50:24,800
ultimately negotiated and and set up.

2371
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:28,320
But again, all of those costs largely

2372
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:30,880
remain with the developer. Um,

2373
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:33,920
uh, the the parking

2374
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:37,760
uh, let's see if I too many of the same

2375
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:41,000
maps. I'm sorry. Uh, see if I can zoom

2376
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:41,000
in here.

2377
01:50:55,679 --> 01:51:00,639
We talked about the CUP um and their

2378
01:50:59,199 --> 01:51:04,480
building and what they may or may not

2379
01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:07,840
use and no cannabis operations. Um but

2380
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:12,320
there they did uh have adequate parking.

2381
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:14,400
of 194 stalls is on the field. Um and

2382
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:17,280
that can be probably reduced to some

2383
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:19,280
extent to based on um any any final

2384
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:22,480
design. We want to make sure there is

2385
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:24,320
traffic circulation for um fire trucks.

2386
01:51:22,480 --> 01:51:26,880
The fire chief has reviewed this and I

2387
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:31,600
believe they've come into agreement with

2388
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:34,320
the engineer on the turning radiuses. Um

2389
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:36,320
uh their final landscaping, lighting,

2390
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:37,599
signage, trash screening, and rooftop

2391
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:39,280
equipment screening and building

2392
01:51:37,599 --> 01:51:42,080
elevations all are in compliance with

2393
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:45,199
the city's uh requirements, full cutoff

2394
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:50,239
lighting, uh landscaping, what have you.

2395
01:51:45,199 --> 01:51:53,760
Um the applicant did accommodate um some

2396
01:51:50,239 --> 01:51:55,520
endangered plants in this area here. So

2397
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:59,679
they did shift some of these things to

2398
01:51:55,520 --> 01:52:02,080
the west um for the storm water. So, and

2399
01:51:59,679 --> 01:52:04,400
there will need to be an easement

2400
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:07,040
provided to the city from this property

2401
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:10,400
owner, which uh will be the applicant's

2402
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:13,040
uh responsibility to secure um because

2403
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:15,679
this curve just nicks this corner a

2404
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:17,119
little bit. Um but I believe they've

2405
01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:18,960
addressed that and but ultimately

2406
01:52:17,119 --> 01:52:24,280
that'll be need to be conveyed to the

2407
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:24,280
city an appropriate roadway easement. Um

2408
01:52:27,679 --> 01:52:31,599
the city the the resolution ultimately

2409
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:33,199
if you consider that would require

2410
01:52:31,599 --> 01:52:35,360
additional traffic analysis or

2411
01:52:33,199 --> 01:52:38,159
corrective improvements if future

2412
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:41,440
tenants or operational changes created

2413
01:52:38,159 --> 01:52:44,000
congestion queuing or unsafe unsafe uh

2414
01:52:41,440 --> 01:52:47,119
turning movements or emergency access

2415
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:49,599
problems. Um and any future building

2416
01:52:47,119 --> 01:52:52,159
expansion or you know meaningful changes

2417
01:52:49,599 --> 01:52:54,239
there would have to come back to the

2418
01:52:52,159 --> 01:52:57,360
city potentially for site plan review or

2419
01:52:54,239 --> 01:53:00,000
an amended uh conditional use permit. Um

2420
01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:02,320
the site does show a a place for

2421
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:05,599
potential future expansion. At this

2422
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:08,000
point there'll just be uh sod or grass

2423
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:09,679
um some landscaping uh what have you but

2424
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:12,400
something to I think that's in their

2425
01:53:09,679 --> 01:53:14,080
vision. Um,

2426
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:18,400
so I mentioned the planning commission

2427
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:22,880
did uh approve this uh

2428
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:25,679
uh preliminary plat and final plat um

2429
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:29,920
and uh the site plan and the conditional

2430
01:53:25,679 --> 01:53:33,199
use permit for that flex building. Um

2431
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:35,040
staff I think also has uh support of

2432
01:53:33,199 --> 01:53:37,440
this for their preliminary plat final

2433
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:39,760
plat. It provides an acceptable

2434
01:53:37,440 --> 01:53:41,520
subdivision framework that the proposed

2435
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:44,080
business flex building can easily

2436
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:46,400
satisfy uh the requirements of the

2437
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:48,000
conditional use permit standards and the

2438
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:51,840
site provides adequate physical

2439
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:54,320
framework for development. So, if you uh

2440
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:58,400
think this is of of value or if you have

2441
01:53:54,320 --> 01:54:00,480
certainly have questions, um uh staff

2442
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:03,480
would recommend adoption of resolution

2443
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:03,480
2026-37

2444
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:08,159
um approving the preliminary plat final

2445
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:10,000
plat conditional use permit and site

2446
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:13,280
plan substitute the findings and

2447
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:14,880
conditions contained in that resolution.

2448
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:17,360
So,

2449
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:19,440
» Okay. My question is, [clears throat]

2450
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:23,440
» Is the traffic going to be coming down

2451
01:54:19,440 --> 01:54:25,360
from Jackson or to from Viking? Where

2452
01:54:23,440 --> 01:54:26,880
where are they going to turn in to get

2453
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:29,440
into there? Are they they're not coming

2454
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:31,840
off at 65 to get in there? Right.

2455
01:54:29,440 --> 01:54:34,719
» Uh, council member Urkl, no, they don't

2456
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:36,000
have any permits from Mandot. I suspect

2457
01:54:34,719 --> 01:54:38,320
they'd love to have them, but it's

2458
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:41,119
probably highly unlikely that Bindat

2459
01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:44,719
would grant um an access, but they're

2460
01:54:41,119 --> 01:54:46,800
going to largely come in from 187th by

2461
01:54:44,719 --> 01:54:49,599
the Holiday or Circle K, whatever

2462
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:51,599
they're now. Um and then south on Ulyses

2463
01:54:49,599 --> 01:54:53,599
down to the Culdeac.

2464
01:54:51,599 --> 01:54:56,560
» Okay.

2465
01:54:53,599 --> 01:54:58,400
Do they have access to Viking, too? I

2466
01:54:56,560 --> 01:55:00,560
mean, can they come off of Viking up

2467
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:01,920
there too somewhere or is it just going

2468
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:04,400
to be 187?

2469
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:05,040
» It's 100. It's Well, I think they can

2470
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:07,679
connect.

2471
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:10,000
» Yes, there's access for biking.

2472
01:55:07,679 --> 01:55:11,760
» I can't see it very good from here,

2473
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:13,840
» But I would argue most of it's going to

2474
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:17,840
come from Highway 65.

2475
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:20,960
» You can goes north, curves to the west,

2476
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:24,239
turns into 189th, and you can either

2477
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:26,800
access Jackson right from there or turn

2478
01:55:24,239 --> 01:55:28,239
to the north and go up to Viking.

2479
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:30,480
» Yeah, they're definitely going to need a

2480
01:55:28,239 --> 01:55:32,239
traffic analysis because if there's

2481
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:34,800
going to be con

2482
01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:36,320
considerable more traffic that because

2483
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:38,560
that's where the theater is, that's

2484
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:40,560
where Holiday is

2485
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:44,560
and then a lot more traffic. They might

2486
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:46,639
need to extend that turn lane or

2487
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:48,400
something. Um yes, mayor and council,

2488
01:55:46,639 --> 01:55:51,040
they they did provide a traffic

2489
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:53,599
analysis. Um and their level the city

2490
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:56,880
operates on a level of service uh

2491
01:55:53,599 --> 01:56:01,280
capacity basically looking to not

2492
01:55:56,880 --> 01:56:05,440
trigger a level of service um

2493
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:08,000
level D A being the best and E or

2494
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:11,199
something worse than that uh being and

2495
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:13,599
that really relates to queuing time. Um

2496
01:56:11,199 --> 01:56:16,719
and and that queuing time is not effect

2497
01:56:13,599 --> 01:56:19,119
anticipated to be affected at at the

2498
01:56:16,719 --> 01:56:21,040
closest point of connection to uh the

2499
01:56:19,119 --> 01:56:22,800
state trunk highway. But there is a

2500
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:24,719
caveat in the resolution that says

2501
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:27,760
should things or conditions change that

2502
01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:30,400
we can justifiably attribute to their

2503
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:34,000
uses that you would have the ability to

2504
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:36,239
go back and and address that. Um, which

2505
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:39,760
maybe goes back to my earlier point of

2506
01:56:36,239 --> 01:56:42,239
or the earlier analysis that if

2507
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:44,800
I don't know if if it's a McDonald's

2508
01:56:42,239 --> 01:56:46,719
here, um, I'm not saying it would go in

2509
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:49,199
or anything like that, but that would

2510
01:56:46,719 --> 01:56:52,800
that would be far more traffic demand.

2511
01:56:49,199 --> 01:56:57,199
That would be a permitted use, um, than

2512
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:58,719
this proposed use. Um, yes, they would

2513
01:56:57,199 --> 01:57:02,400
probably have some improvements to make

2514
01:56:58,719 --> 01:57:05,920
at 65, but in terms of it's uh traffic

2515
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:08,480
down Ulisses and at 81 185th or noise or

2516
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:09,520
light, it's probably a far more passive

2517
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:11,360
use.

2518
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:13,520
» Not that I'm just thinking of Sundays

2519
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:16,800
with all the

2520
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:19,440
» Traffic coming south and then the church

2521
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:21,920
on Sundays and I'm like the holiday gets

2522
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:23,296
busy on Sundays. Well, we'll talk about

2523
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:24,960
that potentially at the next

2524
01:57:23,296 --> 01:57:26,800
[clears throat] uh phase of this uh

2525
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:27,360
conversation. Yeah, you make a good

2526
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:29,199
point.

2527
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:31,280
» Okay.

2528
01:57:29,199 --> 01:57:32,719
» I got a question too like Okay, you were

2529
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:36,239
saying the roads might have to be

2530
01:57:32,719 --> 01:57:37,760
extended the sewer and water also. Is

2531
01:57:36,239 --> 01:57:39,360
the developer paying for that?

2532
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:40,080
» Yes, that is all at the expense of the

2533
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:44,760
developer.

2534
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:44,760
» Okay. Thank you.

2535
01:57:45,679 --> 01:57:50,080
» Okay. Yeah. I'm sorry.

2536
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:52,880
Make a motion to approve resolution

2537
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:54,960
2026-37

2538
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:57,119
approving the plinary plat final plaque

2539
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:58,960
conditional use permit and site plan

2540
01:57:57,119 --> 01:58:01,280
review subject to the findings and

2541
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:03,280
conditions contained in the proposed

2542
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:04,400
city council resolution.

2543
01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:08,719
» Second

2544
01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:11,040
» Motion a second. Any further discussion?

2545
01:58:08,719 --> 01:58:14,719
None being heard. All those in favor?

2546
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:18,119
» I opposed. Unheard.

2547
01:58:14,719 --> 01:58:18,119
Item three.

2548
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:23,599
» So, Council Member Urkel, if I don't

2549
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:26,920
touch on church traffic, you know, you

2550
01:58:23,599 --> 01:58:26,920
let me know.

2551
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:39,199
Again, the same same uh sites and and

2552
01:58:37,199 --> 01:58:40,880
conditions we've talked about before.

2553
01:58:39,199 --> 01:58:42,639
Um, final approach development has

2554
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:45,679
requested a conditional use permit to

2555
01:58:42,639 --> 01:58:48,320
allow renovation church to occupy um

2556
01:58:45,679 --> 01:58:51,920
approximately 15,000 square feet of this

2557
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:55,679
proposed 21,600 ft² business flex

2558
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:57,840
building. The main assembly area um is

2559
01:58:55,679 --> 01:59:01,280
anticipated to accommodate up to 400

2560
01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:03,199
seats. Again, the property is zone B3

2561
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:06,000
where a place of worship is allowed by

2562
01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:07,599
conditional use permit. Um that site is

2563
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:09,920
again guided mixed use under the

2564
01:59:07,599 --> 01:59:12,159
comprehensive plan.

2565
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:15,119
Planning commission held a public

2566
01:59:12,159 --> 01:59:17,440
hearing and found the application to be

2567
01:59:15,119 --> 01:59:20,560
favorable and adopted uh their

2568
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:22,639
resolution PC26-13

2569
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:26,960
recommending approval of this proposal

2570
01:59:22,639 --> 01:59:29,040
subject to subject to conditions. Um

2571
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:32,000
let's see.

2572
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:35,239
zoom in on this one because it's just

2573
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:35,239
the easiest.

2574
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:43,599
The principal issues uh in this case of

2575
01:59:41,679 --> 01:59:45,520
a of a place of worship in this building

2576
01:59:43,599 --> 01:59:47,520
are parking, traffic circulation,

2577
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:49,199
emergency access, and compatibility with

2578
01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:52,159
other buildings, tenants or certainly

2579
01:59:49,199 --> 01:59:54,400
the area. The city requires one parking

2580
01:59:52,159 --> 01:59:58,320
space for every three seats of a of a

2581
01:59:54,400 --> 02:00:00,960
place of worship. Thus, a 400 seat uh

2582
01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:02,719
assembly area requires 134 parking

2583
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:04,159
spaces.

2584
02:00:02,719 --> 02:00:07,040
The applicant certainly has enough

2585
02:00:04,159 --> 02:00:08,960
parking capacity at the site at 195

2586
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:11,040
spaces. However, at least when we were

2587
02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:14,159
reviewing this plan originally, 34

2588
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:17,760
spaces were shown um in the uh truck

2589
02:00:14,159 --> 02:00:20,639
maneuvering area um which are uh just to

2590
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:23,199
the west of the these drive-in doors and

2591
02:00:20,639 --> 02:00:26,560
the loading dock. the applicant has made

2592
02:00:23,199 --> 02:00:30,080
some adjustments um uh to get rid of

2593
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:32,960
those directly. And the applicant uh or

2594
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:35,760
the the the renovation church would be

2595
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:38,400
the tenant would be required to if they

2596
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:42,719
needed to put in some temporary uh

2597
02:00:38,400 --> 02:00:45,440
parking banding or or signage there if

2598
02:00:42,719 --> 02:00:48,880
they wanted to use those sites. Um but

2599
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:52,960
it would not be permanently striped um

2600
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:55,920
so as to make sure that other tenants at

2601
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:58,239
this building could could use that. Um

2602
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:59,920
renovation church is proposing to use

2603
02:00:58,239 --> 02:01:01,840
you know three quarters of the building.

2604
02:00:59,920 --> 02:01:04,239
So how they all fit together will be the

2605
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:06,639
responsibility of the applicant. Again,

2606
02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:10,880
the city's goal is a quality building,

2607
02:01:06,639 --> 02:01:13,360
quality neighbor, um, and uh, how they

2608
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:16,719
interrelate uh, through the streets, and

2609
02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:18,080
it's the owner's responsibility to make

2610
02:01:16,719 --> 02:01:19,840
sure they all get along and work

2611
02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:22,239
together, which I'm sure is always so

2612
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:27,239
easy.

2613
02:01:22,239 --> 02:01:27,239
So anyway, um

2614
02:01:28,239 --> 02:01:33,520
the proposed conditions in your in your

2615
02:01:30,239 --> 02:01:35,599
resolution construction on of the entire

2616
02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:37,199
business flex building. So they couldn't

2617
02:01:35,599 --> 02:01:38,800
parse out a different section of the

2618
02:01:37,199 --> 02:01:40,239
building or couldn't only build part of

2619
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:44,239
the building. They would have to build

2620
02:01:40,239 --> 02:01:47,119
the entire complete building. um

2621
02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:49,199
approval of final floor plans, uh

2622
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:51,920
occupant load calculations, parking

2623
02:01:49,199 --> 02:01:53,840
calculations, fire lane delineations um

2624
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:56,080
would all have to be again reverified

2625
02:01:53,840 --> 02:02:02,080
prior to the issuance of a building

2626
02:01:56,080 --> 02:02:06,320
permit. Um this drawing does show um the

2627
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:08,480
the firetruck turning movements um and

2628
02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:10,080
and the fire chief and the applicants

2629
02:02:08,480 --> 02:02:13,440
engineer has sorted those things out

2630
02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:15,280
appropriately. But we'll we will verify.

2631
02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:17,280
Um the coordination of the church and

2632
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:20,880
tenant operations or parking and loading

2633
02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:22,800
conflicts do not occur is important.

2634
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:24,719
Implementation of any additional traffic

2635
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:26,320
control measures required by the city

2636
02:02:24,719 --> 02:02:29,040
including licensed law enforcement

2637
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:32,320
traffic control at the applicant's

2638
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:34,480
uh expense. Um, and what I mean by that

2639
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:38,239
is on a Sunday,

2640
02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:41,440
um, if you do have a lot of traffic,

2641
02:02:38,239 --> 02:02:44,239
um, that

2642
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:47,599
if they they the church or the owner or

2643
02:02:44,239 --> 02:02:50,480
the the applicant, um, is trying to do

2644
02:02:47,599 --> 02:02:52,639
some kind of site traffic management

2645
02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:54,480
with an individual out there with cones

2646
02:02:52,639 --> 02:02:55,920
or flags, they would not be allowed to

2647
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:58,239
do that in the public right away. if

2648
02:02:55,920 --> 02:02:59,760
they want to do that in their in their

2649
02:02:58,239 --> 02:03:02,159
parking lot, I I guess we have no

2650
02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:04,159
objection to it. Um, but the part that

2651
02:03:02,159 --> 02:03:08,320
would be outside of that and in the

2652
02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:09,920
public right away if it were needed, um,

2653
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:11,920
they would have to engage with the

2654
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:14,800
sheriff's office and and pay for that

2655
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:17,840
independently.

2656
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:19,679
Um, compliance with all building, fire

2657
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:21,199
accessibility, utility, and occupancy

2658
02:03:19,679 --> 02:03:23,679
requirements. Again, that's part of the

2659
02:03:21,199 --> 02:03:25,599
building construction process. We don't

2660
02:03:23,679 --> 02:03:28,400
know the final layouts inside the

2661
02:03:25,599 --> 02:03:31,599
building yet. Um but that will relate to

2662
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:34,960
total occupancy. Um and the building

2663
02:03:31,599 --> 02:03:36,639
official will sort that out. Um and

2664
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:38,400
ultimately city would review any

2665
02:03:36,639 --> 02:03:40,960
separate outdoor event requests,

2666
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:43,520
temporary promotional signs or material

2667
02:03:40,960 --> 02:03:48,000
changes to seating, parking, circulation

2668
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:49,599
or any operations. Um so um ultimately

2669
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:52,480
the planning commission again supported

2670
02:03:49,599 --> 02:03:56,480
the proposal um in terms of its

2671
02:03:52,480 --> 02:04:01,679
compatibility with the uh

2672
02:03:56,480 --> 02:04:06,080
adjacent uses. Um you have a robust

2673
02:04:01,679 --> 02:04:08,320
very busy area there but with the church

2674
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:12,239
um like most churches they operate on

2675
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:14,800
Sunday. So many of these sites won't be

2676
02:04:12,239 --> 02:04:17,440
operating full capacity at that time. So

2677
02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:19,840
you'll have a you'll have a a probably

2678
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:22,800
less of an impact on a Sunday versus

2679
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:25,920
like on a Tuesday morning for example.

2680
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:28,239
Um the applicant uh and their tenant

2681
02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:31,440
renovation church does not expect to

2682
02:04:28,239 --> 02:04:33,599
have significant uh daytime uses during

2683
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:37,679
the week. Maybe they'll have some

2684
02:04:33,599 --> 02:04:39,520
classes or or or the like. Um maybe some

2685
02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:42,639
minor office presence, but they're not

2686
02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:45,119
proposing any major operations or or

2687
02:04:42,639 --> 02:04:47,280
services during the week. Um they're

2688
02:04:45,119 --> 02:04:49,599
proposing two services on Sunday if I

2689
02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:52,320
remember 9 or 10:30 or maybe it was 10

2690
02:04:49,599 --> 02:04:54,159
or 11:30 I forget. It is in the report.

2691
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:57,520
Um

2692
02:04:54,159 --> 02:04:59,280
so again the the they should fit in

2693
02:04:57,520 --> 02:05:04,400
nicely to the building. They should fit

2694
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:06,719
in nicely to the area and uh staff would

2695
02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:09,040
mirror the recommendation of the

2696
02:05:06,719 --> 02:05:13,239
planning commission to approve

2697
02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:13,239
resolution number 2026-38.

2698
02:05:14,159 --> 02:05:18,719
Stand for any questions.

2699
02:05:15,599 --> 02:05:22,880
» Make a resolution to Make a motion to

2700
02:05:18,719 --> 02:05:25,119
approve resolution number 2026-38

2701
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:27,199
approving the conditional use permit

2702
02:05:25,119 --> 02:05:29,119
subject to the findings and conditions

2703
02:05:27,199 --> 02:05:30,400
contained in the resolution.

2704
02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:34,639
» Second.

2705
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:36,719
» Motion a second. Any further discussion?

2706
02:05:34,639 --> 02:05:39,679
None being heard. All those in favor?

2707
02:05:36,719 --> 02:05:45,400
» I opposed.

2708
02:05:39,679 --> 02:05:45,400
» Passes item four. All right.

2709
02:05:49,599 --> 02:05:56,560
Okay. Mayor and Council, I forget when

2710
02:05:52,719 --> 02:05:59,119
we uh when we chatted about this. Um

2711
02:05:56,560 --> 02:06:03,679
maybe it was a month and a half ago, two

2712
02:05:59,119 --> 02:06:05,280
months ago where um the city council

2713
02:06:03,679 --> 02:06:07,760
would potentially consider some

2714
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:09,199
amendments to your to your minor

2715
02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:13,599
subdivision or administrative

2716
02:06:09,199 --> 02:06:16,960
subdivision rules. And if you recall, it

2717
02:06:13,599 --> 02:06:21,280
was about a simple lot split.

2718
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:24,239
And um your current ordinance uh

2719
02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:27,360
basically prohibits a a simple lot split

2720
02:06:24,239 --> 02:06:29,599
uh if it happens once, but um there is

2721
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:33,440
no look back period. If you did it once

2722
02:06:29,599 --> 02:06:35,520
in 1942 or 1987

2723
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:37,840
um then you couldn't do a simple lot

2724
02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:41,679
split again. The challenge with that is

2725
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:44,400
we as staff and probably many owners

2726
02:06:41,679 --> 02:06:47,599
don't have a deep history of that. And

2727
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:50,079
um so if they do have some lot splits

2728
02:06:47,599 --> 02:06:52,000
they'd like to take care of, we've

2729
02:06:50,079 --> 02:06:55,760
talked about doing a 10-year look back.

2730
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:58,960
10 years being the thought that there's

2731
02:06:55,760 --> 02:07:01,599
enough local local knowledge or history,

2732
02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:03,679
county data might be up to speed about

2733
02:07:01,599 --> 02:07:07,199
property trans property ownership

2734
02:07:03,679 --> 02:07:09,040
changes um and that we can have a

2735
02:07:07,199 --> 02:07:11,679
legitimate conversation about did it

2736
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:13,920
occur recently. The concern, however, is

2737
02:07:11,679 --> 02:07:18,079
does it does it circumvent the

2738
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:19,520
subdivision ordinance um and uh so the

2739
02:07:18,079 --> 02:07:21,599
planning commission talked about it and

2740
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:23,440
they did support the language shown on

2741
02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:26,880
the screen and it's in your packet to

2742
02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:29,679
allow a 10-year look back period. Um it

2743
02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:31,920
does not um

2744
02:07:29,679 --> 02:07:33,599
change the requirements of the lot size.

2745
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:38,719
It does not change requirements of the

2746
02:07:33,599 --> 02:07:41,599
land use. It does not change um lot size

2747
02:07:38,719 --> 02:07:44,079
requirements or frontage requirements um

2748
02:07:41,599 --> 02:07:47,040
or wetland requirements. Really, all it

2749
02:07:44,079 --> 02:07:49,920
does is give somebody a one-time ability

2750
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:52,400
to split their lot.

2751
02:07:49,920 --> 02:07:54,320
If they wanted to do it before the end

2752
02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:55,360
of the 10-year period, well, then they

2753
02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:58,480
could go through a traditional

2754
02:07:55,360 --> 02:08:00,880
subdivision process under chapter 66.

2755
02:07:58,480 --> 02:08:03,119
Certainly, it's more expensive. Um but

2756
02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:05,520
really that's that's what you're what

2757
02:08:03,119 --> 02:08:09,040
you're what you're dealing doing in this

2758
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:12,560
case. Second half of their conversation

2759
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:15,199
um that you recall and you folks had was

2760
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:19,840
um cleaning up the and cleaning up the

2761
02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:21,840
language that that sought to um or had a

2762
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:24,480
conflict in

2763
02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:28,400
who gets to make the approval of the of

2764
02:08:24,480 --> 02:08:31,199
the of the sub whom who subdivision.

2765
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:34,800
Um in this case uh the planning

2766
02:08:31,199 --> 02:08:37,280
commission uh took this language up um

2767
02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:39,599
where it's responsibility of staff to

2768
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:41,679
provide a staff report to make a

2769
02:08:39,599 --> 02:08:43,360
recommendation to you but ultimately the

2770
02:08:41,679 --> 02:08:46,320
decision falls and lies with the

2771
02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:51,760
council. So that is the clarification

2772
02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:55,560
that we've done. Um, and so

2773
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:55,560
those are the two things

2774
02:08:55,840 --> 02:09:01,360
» I have a question on lot splits and I

2775
02:08:59,679 --> 02:09:04,239
didn't see it in here but that doesn't

2776
02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:06,400
mean I may not have missed it.

2777
02:09:04,239 --> 02:09:09,440
Is there

2778
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:12,320
any size limitations? I mean, I think

2779
02:09:09,440 --> 02:09:15,199
it's for rural it's got to be two acres.

2780
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:17,679
But if you have

2781
02:09:15,199 --> 02:09:22,079
50 acres,

2782
02:09:17,679 --> 02:09:25,840
can you split off a two

2783
02:09:22,079 --> 02:09:27,679
if you split off and do a two acre? Um,

2784
02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:29,199
do you have to wait 10 years to do

2785
02:09:27,679 --> 02:09:29,679
another two acre or

2786
02:09:29,199 --> 02:09:31,199
» Yes, ma'am.

2787
02:09:29,679 --> 02:09:31,760
» On that 50 acres.

2788
02:09:31,199 --> 02:09:35,760
» Correct.

2789
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:38,880
» Yeah. I mean, if they have 50 acres,

2790
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:42,480
could you make it so it has to be

2791
02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:44,800
a minimum of a tenth of the size of

2792
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:46,400
their lot. I mean, I know this isn't

2793
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:48,400
something that's in an ordinance right

2794
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:50,800
now, but it's just something that's been

2795
02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:53,599
going through my mind because I'm not

2796
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:56,560
liking to see all these little lots and

2797
02:09:53,599 --> 02:09:58,079
then how is it a developer can come in

2798
02:09:56,560 --> 02:10:01,599
and

2799
02:09:58,079 --> 02:10:04,159
split up a lot a property into all these

2800
02:10:01,599 --> 02:10:06,380
different things and but a person can

2801
02:10:04,159 --> 02:10:06,800
only split it once.

2802
02:10:06,380 --> 02:10:09,199
» [laughter]

2803
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:11,199
» I got you, Mayor Council. I think I'll

2804
02:10:09,199 --> 02:10:14,800
take a stab at it, but I'll defer to the

2805
02:10:11,199 --> 02:10:18,599
city attorney. But um in in our in this

2806
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:18,599
case, um

2807
02:10:21,840 --> 02:10:27,040
if somebody has a 50 acre parcel and

2808
02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:29,040
they wanted to split off two acres, you

2809
02:10:27,040 --> 02:10:31,599
know, for it doesn't matter reason why,

2810
02:10:29,040 --> 02:10:34,480
but let's just say it's for their child

2811
02:10:31,599 --> 02:10:36,719
um or or their family, they they could

2812
02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:39,679
do that. and that this is what the minor

2813
02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:41,360
subdivision would facilitate. Um but

2814
02:10:39,679 --> 02:10:46,320
once they do that, they can't do it

2815
02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:48,320
again. Um need not on that remaining 48

2816
02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:50,960
acre parcel.

2817
02:10:48,320 --> 02:10:54,560
Um you they could go through a

2818
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:56,800
subdivision process under chapter 66,

2819
02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:58,480
which gets to maybe your second point of

2820
02:10:56,800 --> 02:10:59,840
well what could a how can these

2821
02:10:58,480 --> 02:11:02,880
developers do that? They're just

2822
02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:05,599
basically platting it um at that point.

2823
02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:06,639
And you're and this simple lot split

2824
02:11:05,599 --> 02:11:08,800
really wouldn't apply.

2825
02:11:06,639 --> 02:11:10,800
» So I'll I'll just add to that. So So the

2826
02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:13,520
concept of the simple lot split is to be

2827
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:15,520
a faster, less expensive opport uh

2828
02:11:13,520 --> 02:11:17,599
alternative for an individual homeowner

2829
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:19,520
to do exactly what he just described,

2830
02:11:17,599 --> 02:11:21,360
splitting off a lot so their son or

2831
02:11:19,520 --> 02:11:22,639
daughter can build a home and they just

2832
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:25,280
that's all they want to do is split one

2833
02:11:22,639 --> 02:11:27,840
lot. a developer who's going to plat the

2834
02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:30,159
property. That's a much longer, more

2835
02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:31,840
complicated, expensive process. And

2836
02:11:30,159 --> 02:11:33,280
they're doing that for a reason because

2837
02:11:31,840 --> 02:11:34,719
they're going to sell those lots. And so

2838
02:11:33,280 --> 02:11:37,199
that's why they're developing many lots

2839
02:11:34,719 --> 02:11:40,159
all at once. So this is the concept of a

2840
02:11:37,199 --> 02:11:42,239
simple lot split is so that an

2841
02:11:40,159 --> 02:11:43,599
individual property owner can do this,

2842
02:11:42,239 --> 02:11:45,679
split their property without having to

2843
02:11:43,599 --> 02:11:47,199
go through that same cost and expense.

2844
02:11:45,679 --> 02:11:48,880
And I'll just add to that they can't

2845
02:11:47,199 --> 02:11:50,560
they can't do it now with this

2846
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:53,280
modification. They wouldn't be able to

2847
02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:55,360
do a second simple lot split for at

2848
02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:57,119
least 10 years, but then after

2849
02:11:55,360 --> 02:11:58,639
» I know it used to be forever. So,

2850
02:11:57,119 --> 02:11:59,199
» Right. Right. That's that's the major

2851
02:11:58,639 --> 02:12:03,199
change.

2852
02:11:59,199 --> 02:12:06,079
» Yeah. So, if a property owner 50 acres

2853
02:12:03,199 --> 02:12:07,520
splits it in half, son or daughter gets

2854
02:12:06,079 --> 02:12:08,560
the other half. The son or daughter

2855
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:10,239
can't split, right?

2856
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:13,440
» 10 years. They got to wait.

2857
02:12:10,239 --> 02:12:16,071
» Okay. Got it. Okay. Great.

2858
02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:18,036
» I think right. I'm kidding.

2859
02:12:16,071 --> 02:12:20,056
[laughter]

2860
02:12:18,036 --> 02:12:20,056
» [clears throat]

2861
02:12:20,239 --> 02:12:26,920
» I'll make a motion approving ordinance

2862
02:12:23,360 --> 02:12:26,920
number 2026-03

2863
02:12:27,199 --> 02:12:32,800
amending the administrative subdivision

2864
02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:34,800
regulations by establishing a 10-year

2865
02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:38,159
look back period for admin

2866
02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:40,560
administrative simple lot splits

2867
02:12:38,159 --> 02:12:42,480
clarifying the review responsibilities

2868
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:44,880
of the zoning administrator and

2869
02:12:42,480 --> 02:12:47,440
identifying the city council as the

2870
02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:49,360
final approving authority.

2871
02:12:47,440 --> 02:12:51,040
I'll second that.

2872
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:53,360
» A motion and a second. Any further

2873
02:12:51,040 --> 02:12:55,840
discussion?

2874
02:12:53,360 --> 02:13:01,239
None being heard. All those in favor?

2875
02:12:55,840 --> 02:13:01,239
» I opposed. Unheard. Motion passes.

2876
02:13:01,360 --> 02:13:03,942
See the administrator. [clears throat]

2877
02:13:05,679 --> 02:13:09,639
Uh Mr. Mayor and Council

2878
02:13:11,119 --> 02:13:16,400
» Before you here this evening is uh

2879
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:18,719
resolution number 2026-41

2880
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:19,920
of the declaration of a vacancy of a

2881
02:13:18,719 --> 02:13:21,679
city council seat [clears throat] and

2882
02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:24,320
consideration of appointment to that

2883
02:13:21,679 --> 02:13:25,840
seat. I just like to say Stacy on behalf

2884
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:28,400
of the city staff our deepest

2885
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:31,119
condolences to you and your family. Our

2886
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:33,920
thoughts and prayers are with you.

2887
02:13:31,119 --> 02:13:36,320
Um,

2888
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:38,079
so in a situation such as this, uh, the

2889
02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:41,040
council should pass a resolution,

2890
02:13:38,079 --> 02:13:44,480
resolution number 2026-41,

2891
02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:47,760
declaring a a vacant seat. And the goal

2892
02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:51,199
should be to fill that seat um, as soon

2893
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:53,440
as possible. And there are many

2894
02:13:51,199 --> 02:13:55,760
different options for uh, filling that

2895
02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:58,159
seat, some of which I'm sure you'll be

2896
02:13:55,760 --> 02:14:00,159
discussing here this evening. uh the

2897
02:13:58,159 --> 02:14:03,760
council may appoint any individual who

2898
02:14:00,159 --> 02:14:06,400
is eligible bear with me

2899
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:08,320
eligible uh for election to that office.

2900
02:14:06,400 --> 02:14:10,560
Generally to be eligible a person must

2901
02:14:08,320 --> 02:14:12,880
be a US citizen a resident of the city

2902
02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:14,800
and at least 21 years old. The council

2903
02:14:12,880 --> 02:14:16,880
is not obligated to appoint any

2904
02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:18,960
candidate previously defeated in an

2905
02:14:16,880 --> 02:14:21,360
election for the office. Matter of fact,

2906
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:23,679
Minnesota law is is somewhat silent on

2907
02:14:21,360 --> 02:14:25,599
the appointment process and thus the

2908
02:14:23,679 --> 02:14:27,599
city council can decide how it will go

2909
02:14:25,599 --> 02:14:29,760
about determining

2910
02:14:27,599 --> 02:14:33,040
persons uh the correct persons to

2911
02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:36,239
appoint. Um the appointment should be

2912
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:38,719
noted is a temporary basis appointment

2913
02:14:36,239 --> 02:14:42,320
and would need to be filled with an a

2914
02:14:38,719 --> 02:14:45,280
permanent election in the future. And we

2915
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:46,800
have this was not a special election. it

2916
02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:49,199
would not trigger a special election

2917
02:14:46,800 --> 02:14:54,639
because we have elections coming up here

2918
02:14:49,199 --> 02:14:57,280
in November. So, um we uh have a couple

2919
02:14:54,639 --> 02:14:59,760
of different options for appointment.

2920
02:14:57,280 --> 02:15:04,320
You can literally appoint anyone you

2921
02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:07,920
want. You can um wait to appoint someone

2922
02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:09,599
uh once an election happens um so that

2923
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:11,679
if they won the election rather than

2924
02:15:09,599 --> 02:15:16,320
taking office January 1, they can take

2925
02:15:11,679 --> 02:15:19,199
office immediately. Um you can Um

2926
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:21,840
u essentially the important thing here

2927
02:15:19,199 --> 02:15:23,760
is twofold. To declare the vacancy, but

2928
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:25,679
then secondly to have a discussion as

2929
02:15:23,760 --> 02:15:29,159
far as what you would like to do for an

2930
02:15:25,679 --> 02:15:29,159
appointment process.

2931
02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:36,239
Well, I don't think we should wait till

2932
02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:38,880
November [clears throat] to find out who

2933
02:15:36,239 --> 02:15:42,000
the biggest vote getter is because that

2934
02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:45,599
leaves that seat vacant much too long. I

2935
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:47,760
think uh I haven't heard anybody else

2936
02:15:45,599 --> 02:15:50,560
with interest in filling the seat other

2937
02:15:47,760 --> 02:15:52,320
than Miss Mrs. Miller. I so I think we

2938
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:54,400
should give this uh some serious

2939
02:15:52,320 --> 02:15:58,560
consideration. She knows a lot of

2940
02:15:54,400 --> 02:16:01,599
people. She uh she has been to almost

2941
02:15:58,560 --> 02:16:04,639
every social public event that council

2942
02:16:01,599 --> 02:16:06,800
has been to. Um, I know she's going

2943
02:16:04,639 --> 02:16:09,280
through a a difficult experience right

2944
02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:11,840
now, but she she is demonstrating

2945
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:13,520
strength and professionalism and

2946
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:15,599
dedication and commitment to our

2947
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:18,639
community already and to residents

2948
02:16:15,599 --> 02:16:20,400
already. She's got u a unique

2949
02:16:18,639 --> 02:16:22,480
understanding of the responsibilities.

2950
02:16:20,400 --> 02:16:24,880
She knows the issues. So, she's coming

2951
02:16:22,480 --> 02:16:26,320
in familiar. She doesn't have to

2952
02:16:24,880 --> 02:16:30,520
research. She doesn't have to go to

2953
02:16:26,320 --> 02:16:30,520
training. Um

2954
02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:37,200
Tim Miller cared deeply about this

2955
02:16:34,399 --> 02:16:40,639
community. He he cared about the

2956
02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:42,399
residents more than uh anybody that's

2957
02:16:40,639 --> 02:16:46,639
been up here that I could see. He

2958
02:16:42,399 --> 02:16:48,639
researched and um I believe Mrs. Miller

2959
02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:50,960
should be considered not just because he

2960
02:16:48,639 --> 02:16:53,359
she is his wife, but because of who she

2961
02:16:50,960 --> 02:16:55,359
is, what she brings to the table. I know

2962
02:16:53,359 --> 02:16:58,639
they didn't agree on everything, which

2963
02:16:55,359 --> 02:17:01,280
also makes her a great um candidate for

2964
02:16:58,639 --> 02:17:03,920
this. She understands the community. She

2965
02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:06,319
understands the importance of the job,

2966
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:08,399
the residents, working with others,

2967
02:17:06,319 --> 02:17:12,399
thoughtful decisions. She's a business

2968
02:17:08,399 --> 02:17:14,080
owner. Um and I think this position

2969
02:17:12,399 --> 02:17:15,920
deserves somebody who will show up,

2970
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:18,000
listen, work hard, and put the community

2971
02:17:15,920 --> 02:17:23,040
first. And I believe Miss Miller has

2972
02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:26,000
that those qualities. And

2973
02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:29,840
I don't think it should really be about

2974
02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:32,000
her being his wife. I think it should be

2975
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:37,160
because she is capable, committed,

2976
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:37,160
brilliant, and willing to serve.

2977
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:47,679
» Okay, we got a resolved uh resolution we

2978
02:17:44,559 --> 02:17:50,399
got to vote on first.

2979
02:17:47,679 --> 02:17:53,359
» Oh,

2980
02:17:50,399 --> 02:17:57,920
whoops. I'll make a motion to declare a

2981
02:17:53,359 --> 02:17:59,280
vacancy resolution 2026-41.

2982
02:17:57,920 --> 02:18:01,040
» Second.

2983
02:17:59,280 --> 02:18:02,240
» Okay, we got a motion second. Any

2984
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:03,920
further discussion?

2985
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:05,519
» Yeah, I'd like to say something. It's

2986
02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:07,519
like

2987
02:18:05,519 --> 02:18:10,639
Tim Miller.

2988
02:18:07,519 --> 02:18:12,880
I consider him a great friend. I've only

2989
02:18:10,639 --> 02:18:16,479
known him for like three and a half

2990
02:18:12,880 --> 02:18:19,359
years, but the guy, he had a heart of

2991
02:18:16,479 --> 02:18:22,639
gold. He cared about the residents of

2992
02:18:19,359 --> 02:18:25,599
this city. cared about the businesses.

2993
02:18:22,639 --> 02:18:27,120
The guy was just me and him hit it off

2994
02:18:25,599 --> 02:18:30,240
really well. We met with a lot of

2995
02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:33,920
residents together. We worked out a lot

2996
02:18:30,240 --> 02:18:37,840
of issues and he was dedicated to this

2997
02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:40,479
city big time. Fantastic guy. I mean,

2998
02:18:37,840 --> 02:18:44,240
it's just it's hard for me to even sit

2999
02:18:40,479 --> 02:18:46,639
here and he's not here because he just

3000
02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:48,240
had a big influence on my heart big

3001
02:18:46,639 --> 02:18:51,280
time.

3002
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:54,559
So definitely at the public forum

3003
02:18:51,280 --> 02:18:57,679
tonight hearing from Stacy and from

3004
02:18:54,559 --> 02:19:01,280
Kevin. I agree with what Suzanne says

3005
02:18:57,679 --> 02:19:04,479
too. I believe we could appoint Stacy to

3006
02:19:01,280 --> 02:19:07,679
fill Tim's seat until the end of his

3007
02:19:04,479 --> 02:19:11,439
term and I believe she'd do a fantastic

3008
02:19:07,679 --> 02:19:15,519
job. She's a smart gal and she can be a

3009
02:19:11,439 --> 02:19:17,760
bully. So can I. But she's fantastic.

3010
02:19:15,519 --> 02:19:21,439
So, I'm hoping the council would

3011
02:19:17,760 --> 02:19:24,719
consider this because

3012
02:19:21,439 --> 02:19:26,880
Tim was a great guy and he left us way

3013
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:29,760
too soon.

3014
02:19:26,880 --> 02:19:32,080
Thank you.

3015
02:19:29,760 --> 02:19:33,840
» Any further discussion?

3016
02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:34,559
I have a motion and a second. All those

3017
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:39,359
in favor?

3018
02:19:34,559 --> 02:19:42,240
» I opposed. None heard.

3019
02:19:39,359 --> 02:19:44,639
» Thank you.

3020
02:19:42,240 --> 02:19:48,479
Now, we need a I want to make a motion

3021
02:19:44,639 --> 02:19:52,000
now to fill the vacancy

3022
02:19:48,479 --> 02:19:54,560
and appoint Stacy Miller to Tim Miller's

3023
02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:56,479
seat for the rest of his term.

3024
02:19:54,560 --> 02:20:00,760
» Second.

3025
02:19:56,479 --> 02:20:00,760
» We have a motion and a second.

3026
02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:04,600
Any further discussion?

3027
02:20:05,280 --> 02:20:09,280
Well,

3028
02:20:06,800 --> 02:20:12,640
uh, this puts me in a terrible position

3029
02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:16,720
no matter what happens here tonight.

3030
02:20:12,640 --> 02:20:19,600
Either way, I lose.

3031
02:20:16,720 --> 02:20:22,560
So, being by state statue, if it turns

3032
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:24,960
out to be a tie, I got to put the

3033
02:20:22,560 --> 02:20:28,319
deciding vote.

3034
02:20:24,960 --> 02:20:31,040
So, with all due respect to Stacy and

3035
02:20:28,319 --> 02:20:33,920
family and that, I will not follow

3036
02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:36,080
through with that motion. So that motion

3037
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:40,399
fails.

3038
02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:41,520
» Sad. It's really sad.

3039
02:20:40,399 --> 02:20:42,399
» Yeah. So

3040
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:43,840
» Awful.

3041
02:20:42,399 --> 02:20:44,800
» I'm making a motion.

3042
02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:45,840
» Really sad

3043
02:20:44,800 --> 02:20:48,640
» To uh

3044
02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:50,560
» Well, point of order, Mr. Mayor. That

3045
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:53,920
motion was made and so a vote actually

3046
02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:55,280
does have to made on that motion.

3047
02:20:53,920 --> 02:20:55,760
» All those in favor?

3048
02:20:55,280 --> 02:20:56,720
» I

3049
02:20:55,760 --> 02:20:59,280
» I

3050
02:20:56,720 --> 02:21:01,680
» Opposed. Hi.

3051
02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:05,280
» So, with that said, I'm going to make a

3052
02:21:01,680 --> 02:21:07,680
motion for uh put Dino

3053
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:11,200
Perfetti in

3054
02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:14,200
» To that council seat.

3055
02:21:11,200 --> 02:21:14,200
» U

3056
02:21:15,760 --> 02:21:20,880
motion and a second. All in favor?

3057
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:22,560
» I opposed. Hi.

3058
02:21:20,880 --> 02:21:25,040
» Hi.

3059
02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:27,120
» Uh, with me being the pointer

3060
02:21:25,040 --> 02:21:30,319
appointment guy here, I'm going to

3061
02:21:27,120 --> 02:21:32,720
appoint uh Dino Facetti

3062
02:21:30,319 --> 02:21:35,880
» As to fill that vacancy till the end of

3063
02:21:32,720 --> 02:21:35,880
the year.

3064
02:21:37,040 --> 02:21:40,080
» Staff report.

3065
02:21:38,399 --> 02:21:42,240
» Mr. Mayor, if we can, we'll do an oath

3066
02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:44,160
of office. Then

3067
02:21:42,240 --> 02:21:48,080
» You want to do it now or later?

3068
02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:49,359
» We should do it now. Okay, do it now.

3069
02:21:48,080 --> 02:21:53,319
» Mr. Pervetti, do you want to stand up

3070
02:21:49,359 --> 02:21:53,319
here and raise your right hand?

3071
02:21:55,359 --> 02:22:00,319
» Pervetti

3072
02:21:57,680 --> 02:22:00,800
» Do hereby solemnly swearby

3073
02:22:00,319 --> 02:22:02,399
swear

3074
02:22:00,800 --> 02:22:03,200
» That I support the Constitution of the

3075
02:22:02,399 --> 02:22:04,720
United States.

3076
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:05,120
» I support the Constitution of the United

3077
02:22:04,720 --> 02:22:06,319
States

3078
02:22:05,120 --> 02:22:08,880
» The Constitution of the State of

3079
02:22:06,319 --> 02:22:11,520
Minnesota.

3080
02:22:08,880 --> 02:22:15,040
» I will faithfully,

3081
02:22:11,520 --> 02:22:19,120
» Justly, and impartially

3082
02:22:15,040 --> 02:22:22,240
» Discharge the duties of council member

3083
02:22:19,120 --> 02:22:25,240
for the city of East County,

3084
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:25,240
» County,

3085
02:22:25,760 --> 02:22:30,560
» City of East County,

3086
02:22:28,640 --> 02:22:34,920
» State of Minnesota,

3087
02:22:30,560 --> 02:22:34,920
» To the best of my knowledge and ability.

3088
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:41,658
» Thank you, Dino. [applause]

3089
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:50,560
Okay, moving forward. staff report.

3090
02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:52,560
» Uh Mr. Mayor, uh in the interest of the

3091
02:22:50,560 --> 02:22:54,640
time this evening, I just have one note

3092
02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:56,560
and that would be that tomorrow is the

3093
02:22:54,640 --> 02:22:58,720
primary election for everybody. So if

3094
02:22:56,560 --> 02:23:01,439
you haven't voted yet, some have voted

3095
02:22:58,720 --> 02:23:03,680
early. Uh we've had some people coming

3096
02:23:01,439 --> 02:23:05,680
in and a steady flow. But if you haven't

3097
02:23:03,680 --> 02:23:08,240
voted yet, tomorrow's an important vote.

3098
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:10,640
So please do make time. We'll be set up

3099
02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:13,920
in the senior center over here. We'll

3100
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:16,479
process people through um quickly and

3101
02:23:13,920 --> 02:23:18,960
efficiently. And please do set that time

3102
02:23:16,479 --> 02:23:21,760
aside. Signs will be out identifying

3103
02:23:18,960 --> 02:23:23,439
polling locations. And uh it's your

3104
02:23:21,760 --> 02:23:25,120
civic duty.

3105
02:23:23,439 --> 02:23:27,120
» It's at the fire station. And where

3106
02:23:25,120 --> 02:23:29,120
else?

3107
02:23:27,120 --> 02:23:31,040
» Um

3108
02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:34,399
our saviors.

3109
02:23:31,040 --> 02:23:37,680
» Our saviors. Okay.

3110
02:23:34,399 --> 02:23:40,479
» Okay. Council reports.

3111
02:23:37,680 --> 02:23:44,479
Uh I rode around with the fire chief for

3112
02:23:40,479 --> 02:23:47,040
a night to unite on uh last Thursday and

3113
02:23:44,479 --> 02:23:49,520
uh we had four different parties on the

3114
02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:51,200
south side of the city and they were

3115
02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:54,080
absolutely wonderful. A lot of great

3116
02:23:51,200 --> 02:23:57,760
people that invited us in and thanked us

3117
02:23:54,080 --> 02:24:00,240
for being there. So uh it it's it's a

3118
02:23:57,760 --> 02:24:02,824
really great way to get out and meet the

3119
02:24:00,240 --> 02:24:03,439
residents. I always look forward to

3120
02:24:02,824 --> 02:24:06,399
[snorts]

3121
02:24:03,439 --> 02:24:08,160
to uh 198.

3122
02:24:06,399 --> 02:24:11,359
That's all I have.

3123
02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:14,479
» I did the seniors night to unite. I was

3124
02:24:11,359 --> 02:24:16,479
um grateful for those who came and a

3125
02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:19,520
little disappointed in the commission

3126
02:24:16,479 --> 02:24:23,200
members that did not come. But other

3127
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:25,439
than that, the city staff, the um other

3128
02:24:23,200 --> 02:24:27,920
people who came, I totally we totally

3129
02:24:25,439 --> 02:24:31,439
appreciate it. We had good food and it

3130
02:24:27,920 --> 02:24:33,200
was very interesting.

3131
02:24:31,439 --> 02:24:35,120
I know. I'd like to apologize for not

3132
02:24:33,200 --> 02:24:37,120
being there because I did plan on being

3133
02:24:35,120 --> 02:24:39,680
there, but my appointments took a lot

3134
02:24:37,120 --> 02:24:43,359
longer than I expected. I wanted to make

3135
02:24:39,680 --> 02:24:47,040
it there though. That's all I got.

3136
02:24:43,359 --> 02:24:50,000
» Yeah, I attended the senior one and I

3137
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:52,160
made eight of the 12. It was hard to

3138
02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:54,479
make all 12, but

3139
02:24:52,160 --> 02:24:56,240
» Spent about five minutes at each one.

3140
02:24:54,479 --> 02:24:58,960
It's a lot of distance, a lot of miles,

3141
02:24:56,240 --> 02:25:01,439
but it it it was a fun time enjoying the

3142
02:24:58,960 --> 02:25:03,520
people and getting their inputs and

3143
02:25:01,439 --> 02:25:06,640
everything and thanking them for doing

3144
02:25:03,520 --> 02:25:08,080
it. It's it's a great time meeting all

3145
02:25:06,640 --> 02:25:10,800
these people that put these together

3146
02:25:08,080 --> 02:25:12,399
every year. So, with that, I'll

3147
02:25:10,800 --> 02:25:13,680
entertain a motion to adjurnn.

3148
02:25:12,399 --> 02:25:14,479
» Make motion tojourn.

3149
02:25:13,680 --> 02:25:16,160
» Second.

3150
02:25:14,479 --> 02:25:19,560
» Second. All those in favor?

3151
02:25:16,160 --> 02:25:19,560
» I I