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article or anything like that or do you

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>> No, I just call the meeting to order.

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Okay, I have to I have to look away cuz

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it's on a different screen than this one

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that I'm looking at but you call this

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Wednesday, August 26th, 2026 2:00 p.m.

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virtual meeting to order.

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go to the action items?

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>> Well, he doesn't have them.

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>> Oh, okay.

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Okay. All right. Well, then um

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I I I can do the action item. Uh

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discussion of possible action

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regarding whether to obtain independent

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outside counsel for matters arising out

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of or pertaining to the June 1st, 2026

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incident. Um

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agenda I this meeting and this agenda

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item. So, do you want to just explain

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anything. This action item isn't to um

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to say that I don't think Clifford and

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Kenny is absolutely capable of giving us

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in regard to counsel. What kind of

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brought it up for me honestly was the

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public records request. I was thinking

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on perspective of things.

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I know that I believe John provided

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um Katie with the town clerk with

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shouldn't be released

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perception be on that. Um

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maybe we could use independent counsel

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in regard to any issues

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involving the

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reached out to Susanna as well cuz she's

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doing the investigation. I asked her

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opinion on it. She said I don't think it

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would be a bad thing to have independent

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you know any matters we discuss in

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regard to the wire transfer just because

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of the involvement that's done by all

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the parties

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for the wire transfer just in a matter

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of independence. I wanted to bring it to

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you guys for discussion, get your points

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of view, what you think and just have a

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conversation and and see what you guys

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don't have all the answers to everything

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you guys and see what you thought.

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you want to go first or do you want me

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giving an opinion on a freedom of

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information request has nothing to do

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with what the actual request is about.

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what I understand Carol, am I allowed to

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say what that request was and

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things pertaining to the wire transfer

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incident we'll call it

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and we said no and then the person

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appealed to the attorney general and the

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attorney general came back and the way I

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state. And the way I read that was they

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didn't say that we couldn't tell them

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didn't provide sufficient reason for why

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we didn't provide the documents they

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requested and that our town council

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should then go back and provide

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sufficient reasons why not just a a sort

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of generic statement of this is an

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investigation so we can't.

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Clifford and Kenny doing that. Um my

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understanding is their freedom of

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information or what request person isn't

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John Clifford, it's somebody else

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a conflict of interest for them to weigh

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in on a legal opinion that would be the

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opinion no matter what the request is

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about. The other is the money that it

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would involve if we have to hire outside

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counsel on this. We've already agreed to

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spend over $10,000 on an investigation.

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recoup some of recoup some of this from

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insurance, but we're not going to be

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able to recoup this from insurance, I

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wouldn't think. So I So I hesitate with

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that. Um unless we can sue for pain and

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suffering, I don't know.

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as well and then the other thing which I

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think might even be put us more in a

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difficult position is the time frame

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because we only have I think 10 days to

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respond to this request. We don't have

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lawyer law firm lined up ready to help

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us. I mean, Kopelman and Page covers a

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lot of cities and towns, but we're not a

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client of theirs. So

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you're going to be in a a queue with

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them. They're going to drop everything

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because it's our situation and we're not

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not even just granted this is definitely

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the reason why the the um

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the reason why it spawned on me just cuz

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independence, but I was more thinking

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any matters also going forward um if

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there were any other legal issues going

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forward with this. Um,

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and so that was it just not not just

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have legal counsel just for this, but

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maybe going forward with any matter

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pertaining to this issue. So, um,

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they're able to give independent counsel

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advice, but I was more thinking of just

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the perception. But, I completely

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for having them for this matter, but for

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future events going forward.

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of what happened, you know, how it

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happened, why it happened, and then, you

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know, giving us information on how we

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can prevent in the future. So, that's

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obviously independent, uh, counsel. As

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information, uh, act and and sending out

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this information, I mean, we're in an

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active, um, you know, investigation

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right now. There's there's no doubt. And

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citizens of East Bridgewater that, you

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potentially recovered if there's any

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recovery of this, uh,

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of this situation. So,

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more than and then anyone else any other

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law firm could could do at this point

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other than to give us advice as Clifford

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information that we're we're we're

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holding on to in in investigation.

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guys are with, uh, the police station

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and and the people that are involved in

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this case. Uh, I know, you know, that

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they're continuing to to act on stuff,

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working with other departments outside

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of East Bridgewater to handle this. And,

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the world that you know, once this

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information is is readily available in

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investigations is is shut down. Um

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thing that we're seeing.

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protocols we always have with any any

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body that comes in for any information

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we'll certainly send it out in in due

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time. We're not hiding anything. We're

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just trying to get get back or recover

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what we possibly can without you know,

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with the timing that it is necessary.

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to go over this if again

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we reiterate this, you know, what I

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thought was necessary was to bring in

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outside counsel to talk about you know,

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what had happened and investigate that

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portion which is being done outside of

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Clifford and Kenny and to me that was a great move. It was one that

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needed to happen and other than that I

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think we're you know, we're we're just

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going to follow the lead of what we've

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good with what your responses are. I was

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just thinking of my like

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genuinely it was the FOIA request yeah,

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the response to it yes is what kind of

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tracked it but I was more thinking

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just going forward with any kind of

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legal issues with this wire transfer

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going forward cuz I know that there's

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certain aspects that Suzanne can cover

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and certain ones just because she's not

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counsel to be able to cover. So,

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for example, I know Clifford and Kenny

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specifically handled this matter.

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appreciate both of your perspectives on

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it. I understand

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it completely. So, I just I just really

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wanted to get you guys' thoughts if you

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thought you know, maintaining or getting

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outside counsel would be something to

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think about in regard an independent

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counsel in regard to this. I definitely

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don't think that I 100% believe that

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Clifford and Kenny is are capable at

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reviewing

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any legal requests. That's not, you

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know, up for debate for me whatsoever.

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Obviously the work and I want to

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emphasize I appreciate their work for

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the town, but it was really for me just

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voting having independence in counsel

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in regard to

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this this specific event, whether it be

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FOIA, anything else that comes up. I

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don't know what else is going to come

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up. We'll see, but that was really just

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my perspective. But I appreciate both of

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you guys and I really just wanted to

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have this conversation and see what you

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guys thought.

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>> Yeah, and it's and it, you know, it

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doesn't mean if something comes up again

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that we can't revisit it. If we're like,

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oh, now it's now it's this. I can't

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think what that could be, but if it was

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something then we can always revisit it.

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And it is good and I think it also like

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shows to the point and I don't know if

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people realize this cuz I said it to

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someone recently and they looked at me

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like I was crazy. The three of us can't

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talk to each other outside of a meeting.

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>> Yeah, so that was

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>> of open meeting law. So that's why a

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meeting like this matters, right? People

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can see that we talked about this and

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that we each shared our opinion and, you

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know, and then we move on from it

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because we're not talking about this.

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I'm not calling you on a Sunday night

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and saying, "Hey, what do you think

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about this?"

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>> Yeah, that's that's kind of really where

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like honestly my best my biggest things

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are is like it's our first time

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obviously all of us going through this.

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We're all going to have different ideas

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on how we can approach different matters

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to this, but you know, these are

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discussions that we are having actively

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cuz it's the first time for all of us

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going through this. So I appreciate

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I know. I appreciate you guys, you know,

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being able to meet. I know it's two of

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it's our lunch hour on uh and it's we're

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halfway through the week, but I just

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want to I say I appreciate you guys. I

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understand your perspective

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and thank you for having the

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conversation.

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>> Good. And we do just have since we had

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this meeting, we do have one action

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item.

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Catherine, do you want to make that

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motion to to have that in front of you?

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>> Second that motion.

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>> Peter, do you have it now?

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>> I can do it. I think you could Okay, I

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was going to say if you can do it I have

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it on my I think you might not be able

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to see me if I pull it up cuz I'm on my

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phone.

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>> Yeah.

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I make a motion to

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issue a permit for Michelle Lassard to

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hold a Pilates class on Sunday, August

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30th from 8:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. on the

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town common.

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>> One second.

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>> Right, motion's made and seconded. Any

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discussion?

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All in favor?

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>> Aye.

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>> Great. Sounds like a a nice way to start

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a Sunday.

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All right.

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>> I'll make a motion to adjourn.

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>> Very good.

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>> Second.

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>> All in favor?

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>> Aye.

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Great.

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>> Thank you.

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everybody. Have a good day.

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>> Thank you guys. Bye.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Bye.