1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,040 My life. 2 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,960 Yeah, I do. 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,680 » I'm good. >> Yep. 4 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,680 » All right. Good evening, everyone. If you please join me as we do the Pledge 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:31,760 of Allegiance followed by a moment of silence by my friend Larry. 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:36,280 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 7 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:40,160 And to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 8 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,400 And we'll all keep standing for a few minutes for a 9 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:52,000 moment of silence in respect and appreciation for first responders and 10 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,400 people who put themselves on the line for us. 11 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,480 Thank you. 12 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:13,520 All right. Good evening, everyone. Happy Tuesday. Thank you for being here. I'll 13 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,720 go ahead and call this meeting to order. Um 14 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:20,800 This meeting's being recorded via Zoom and it will be uploaded later to the 15 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:24,440 township's YouTube channel for reviewing. Also, for after there's a 16 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,280 nice public meeting, the board may meet in executive session to discuss legal 17 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,840 matters. Uh at this point, um for chairman's 18 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,560 report, I have nothing. Uh for public comment, I'm going to go ahead and open 19 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:39,360 up the mic for anyone to discuss anything that's not on the agenda. 20 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,000 And I'll give uh privilege to those who are in the room first before I move to 21 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:46,800 the Zoom room. Anyone with public comment as it 22 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:46,800 pertains to non-agenda items? 23 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,520 Uh I don't know if the individual is going 24 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,520 to be too. We'll go with that. 25 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:02,240 » Recently, uh sorry. My name's Matthew Scotion. This time I was talking to you. 26 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:06,000 park and I noticed that the trees are overgrown, the leaves 27 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,600 are coming out in the path. How often do you get that cleaned up? Can you pick 28 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:13,240 that up? >> Which park? 29 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:15,640 » Uh the Apple Grove side of the park. >> Um 30 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:20,280 » Just cuz I had a grandson recently and I took him out for a long walk and there 31 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:25,320 was trees all over and there was leaves. >> Yeah, I would have to I mean, we were 32 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,760 there fairly often. I mean, I I thought you were talking about somewhere else. 33 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:31,040 Um if I can 34 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:35,800 get your email, I can get a more If I can get a more specific area, 35 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:38,360 I can talk to public works and see if they can go take a look at it. 36 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,600 » Thank you. >> Yeah, just take your photo up to the 37 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:48,080 office. Did we get it over, Kevin? Anyone else for non-agenda related items 38 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:52,200 to the room? Anything in the Zoom room? Okay, uh we have no emergency service 39 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:56,480 reports tonight, no public hearings, no finance report, no minutes to approve. 40 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,080 Uh we have the treasurer's report, Kelly. 41 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:06,000 » This treasurer's report covers the township's financial activity from 42 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:09,000 August 13th through August 27th, 2026. During this reporting period, the 43 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,880 township's general fund continued to be supported 44 00:03:10,239 --> 00:03:16,720 by several of our primary revenue sources. These include earned income tax 45 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:21,760 collections, rental income, permit and alarm fees, interest earned upon 46 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:25,160 maturity of CD investments, park and recreation registration, and 47 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:28,959 pavilion. The general fund expenditures include 48 00:03:26,959 --> 00:03:33,880 vehicle maintenance and repairs, highway materials, building maintenance and 49 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:38,239 repairs, legal and engineering services, park and recreation programs, events, 50 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:42,720 and maintenance, insurance payments, and other routine operating expenses. 51 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:49,519 For the capital fund reserve, expenditures totaled $496.50. 52 00:03:46,959 --> 00:03:56,400 This included engineering services. For the infrastructure sustainability fund, 53 00:03:52,240 --> 00:04:00,840 expenditures totaled $1,914 and included pond treatment for Upper 54 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:05,600 Third Street Pond, Mary Dell Pond, and Pinewood Pond, as well as water sampling 55 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:10,400 conducted in July. Are there any questions regarding this 56 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:13,080 Treasurer's report? >> Okay. 57 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,840 One comment that I wanted to make is something that I've already 58 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,400 emailed Kelly about, but I noticed when going through this is there are a couple 59 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:22,240 of large what I could put kind of big ticket 60 00:04:20,799 --> 00:04:29,520 expenses um that that jumped out at me that were 61 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:34,120 like $11,000 plus bus services for the um I guess mostly for parks and 62 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:40,720 recreation. So, $11,000 for bus uh bus services for um summer camp. There's 63 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:45,200 $18,000, I think, for um for tennis lessons. I asked Kelly, you know, I 64 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:50,400 don't think I've seen before. So, I wondered um I assumed 65 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:55,440 those were seasonal and regular regular and not unusual, and I also assumed 66 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:59,360 that those are probably not taxpayer covered expenses if they're 67 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:02,840 covered by the parks and services fees for the programs. 68 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:06,680 And um and she confirmed that was the that was the case. So, uh I just thought 69 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:10,919 it was interesting that, you know, relatively big number expenses jumped 70 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:16,040 out that I that I'm thinking those were not unusual and those are already 71 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,680 covered by fees for programs and not by the taxpayer. 72 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,720 Thank you, Larry. >> Tanner, are there any bills? 73 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,880 » No >> No. 74 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,680 » Okay. Uh one thing to note, as well, uh I forgot to mention at the top of the 75 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,880 meeting is that Peter's unable to join uh us tonight at the meeting due to a 76 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:35,000 previous schedule um thanks. Any questions in the room on paying the 77 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,720 bills? Questions in the Zoom room on the bills? 78 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,560 I'd entertain a motion. >> Mr. Chairman, I move that the board 79 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:46,000 accept the receipts and approve the expenditures as presented in the 80 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,440 expenditure register and summarized in the Treasurer's report. 81 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,800 » I see. Thank you, Anne. Thank you, Larry. Mr. 82 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:56,840 Rowland, call motion. All in favor? I. Motion carries 4-0. 83 00:05:53,840 --> 00:06:00,040 And Glenn, Kevin Miller got back to me. Actually, he initiated a text and says 84 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,040 the grass is cut weekly and heavy trimming is quarterly. 85 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,840 Okay. Um 86 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:12,760 we're going to go ahead and move down to old business, which is the um 87 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:15,360 comprehensive plan RFP draft two review and possible passage. And before I turn 88 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:19,080 it over to Derek, I want to commend him for doing such a great draft. 89 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:23,919 Um and appreciate his input and everyone else who played a part in that. 90 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,919 » Mhm. 91 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,120 » Just trying to pull it up. Give me one second here. 92 00:06:38,919 --> 00:06:47,680 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, this is uh what I would call draft two of the 93 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:52,040 comprehensive plan. I put together the first draft. It was the July meeting, if 94 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:56,840 I'm not mistaken. Everything's kind of blending together. And 95 00:06:53,600 --> 00:07:03,680 um so, I I think that was it. But, um based on some feedback I got, um 96 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:07,760 I did tweak some things, but not much. A lot of it was 97 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:11,400 minor language changes just to clarify more. I did 98 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:15,640 fill out the community profile right here. And I think that probably the 99 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:19,160 biggest change I made was And you can see it right there where it says, 100 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:22,400 "Please see appendix A for zoning map and breakdown." 101 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:27,080 You know, I thought it would be helpful for the people writing the RFP to have a 102 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:30,919 copy of our map and what the zoning districts look like so they can that can 103 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:37,360 enhance their efforts to give us a proper uh RFP. So, that was the biggest 104 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:41,160 thing. I did uh have a quick email exchange with Larry today. 105 00:07:38,919 --> 00:07:46,960 And And there's a section that says something about fiscal analysis and just 106 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:51,520 tweaking that a little bit to spell out budget and revenues specific to the 107 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:55,040 financial analysis, which I think is fine. The more you can 108 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:59,280 be a little bit more in-depth with what you're asking for, 109 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:02,760 the better. So, that would be the only minor change I would make going forward 110 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:09,400 after this, but it's relatively similar to the July July 111 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:12,120 meeting. Again, just for background, we um 112 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:17,120 are supposed to do a comprehensive plan update every 10 years to just 113 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:21,480 um guide the township along in in how we're doing things from a land use 114 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:26,320 perspective, um growing the township responsibly, 115 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,880 and making sure that we're doing what we can to stay ahead of the game on that 116 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,360 front. Um 117 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,280 there's not much more to say. I would I would um 118 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:38,360 entertain not entertain a motion, but I would let the board 119 00:08:36,680 --> 00:08:40,400 comment, ask questions, as well as the public, and then we can maybe make a 120 00:08:39,719 --> 00:08:47,040 motion. >> I have comment and a question. 121 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:55,120 First, the question, and that is in past RFPs from the township, 122 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:59,760 have has there been as extensive a request 123 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:07,160 for budgetary for the whole financial side to this, so that really what we'll 124 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:16,120 be looking at as a board and as a community will be not a wish list of 125 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:21,400 projects, but rather a real plan that's costed out, 126 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:26,480 and we will measure it accordingly. >> Yeah, I mean, since 127 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:29,640 I have not tackled anything specific to what you're talking about since I've 128 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:33,720 been here, this is probably the most comprehensive RFP 129 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,720 I've been a part of since I was at East Goshen. 130 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:43,360 I think this circles back a little bit to the conversation we've been having 131 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:50,360 this entire year about um tying land use to the economic factors of that specific 132 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:54,800 use, whatever that may use may be. Um I did try to sprinkle in here some of 133 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:59,280 the economic and financial components based on the feedback I got from you and 134 00:09:56,680 --> 00:10:05,360 the board the whole year. Um it may be something we whoever would 135 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:08,960 so to speak win this um bid uh at the end of the day, 136 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:14,040 it may be good to have a conversation with them and really hone in on 137 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:18,280 whether that's something that can completely be done in the comprehensive 138 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:22,520 plan update or if there's possibly a second RFP that has to go out 139 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:27,920 in order to incorporate some more financials based on maybe a firm that 140 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:32,600 specializes in that sort of thing. So, I think it remains to be seen, but I did 141 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:37,400 try to put as much in I could um for the financial piece of it. 142 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:41,560 » Uh the comment I'd like to make, thank you by the way. The the comment I'd like 143 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:46,839 to make is that I think this is really an excellent RFP. 144 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:52,520 Uh it's probably I on the one hand the fact that it's 145 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:56,400 almost like reading an outline makes it extremely 146 00:10:54,080 --> 00:11:00,720 understandable. I I mean it was a pleasure to read 147 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:06,800 through it and not feel like I was having to have a translator sitting next 148 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:11,760 to me telling me what it would say. Um the other thing is that the fact that it 149 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:18,200 has real demonstrable measurements in terms of 150 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:22,560 performance at the end in in in their responses 151 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:28,320 that you're asking that you've you've created a scorecard 152 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:34,800 so that we can really look at each RFP in terms of how they actually what 153 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:41,720 numeric value would we give to their response on X or Y or Z 154 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:45,640 I think is really exceptional. >> Yeah, so I I can't take credit for that. 155 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:50,600 I talked to this Phoenixville um borough manager extensively on that front and um 156 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:55,360 he emailed me his scoring um 157 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,080 component and I really liked it. So, that's kind of why I put that in there. 158 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,680 » You can take credit for reaching out to the Phoenixville. 159 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,480 Say, you're very gracious, Sarah. I thought I I think you did your job 160 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:08,960 superbly. >> Thank you. Um so, just another note on 161 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:14,240 the process from here because I know that may be another question. I would 162 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:18,840 get together um I would get together a comprehensive list of 163 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:23,040 what I would call qualified firms. Um I do think it's not required, but I do 164 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:26,440 think we should advertise it. I mean, I don't think it could hurt if a firm or 165 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:31,120 two sees it in an advertisement that they otherwise would not, but I think 166 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:34,200 the good thing is it's like a lot of under other industries that we deal 167 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:39,080 with. We know a lot of the players and and who's around and um some of the 168 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:42,240 firms that should be getting this. So, I will give that list 169 00:12:40,839 --> 00:12:47,640 after this gets passed, whenever that is, I'll give that list to the board. Um 170 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:50,680 we also need to come up with an internal committee to do 171 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:54,680 the interviews. Um and then 172 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:57,680 I would love to have this picked by the end of the year. I will tell you that. 173 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:02,280 Um so, we can hit the ground running in 2027 before we 174 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:04,839 open it up to the public in terms of an ad hoc committee that we're going to 175 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:09,560 have to uh put in place, a steering committee, 176 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:13,000 if you will. So, so, that's that's the process for the rest of the year um once 177 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:17,480 it and I I would give the I probably would 178 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,839 give the firms about 30 days. So, I'll take feedback on the board for that if 179 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,560 you think it should be less or more, but I think that's probably the sweet spot 180 00:13:23,039 --> 00:13:27,960 [clears throat] if we want to get 181 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:31,120 good information. So, >> One thing is that that occurred to me is 182 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:35,800 that we know that there's probably a stable 183 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:39,160 of firms that specialize in comprehensive plans and probably in this 184 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:45,240 particular area. But there are probably engineering 185 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:50,240 firms that may may not always do comprehensive plans that might that 186 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:53,280 might, you know, have some of the skills that be attracted in this. There are 187 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:58,520 probably some academicians, some some university 188 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:02,760 professors that in a sense have these skills or access to these skills. So 189 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:06,720 there might be, in addition to the firms that specialize in doing municipal 190 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:10,760 comprehensive plans, there might be other specialized kinds of professionals 191 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,600 out there that might be able to respond to this in a kind of creative way. 192 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:18,120 » There's there's definitely a couple of engineering firms already had in mind 193 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:22,560 that are a little bit a little bit bigger firms do 194 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:28,880 some comprehensive planning, so I already had that in mind. And then 195 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:34,000 I also think, compared to 10 years ago or, you know, 10 15 years ago, we're 196 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:40,040 seeing a lot of more I would call them boutique land use 197 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:44,680 firms pop up and um I I've had some conversation with Ben on other fronts 198 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:49,080 and I think I think it's going to be a more comprehensive list than if, you 199 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:52,440 know, than the one 10 years ago in terms of who we give the RFP to, simply 200 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:56,360 because there's more of those type of firms. So I think hopefully we can get 201 00:14:54,800 --> 00:15:00,960 some more innovative solutions, if you will, based 202 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:04,560 on the competition versus, you know, in the past. 203 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,440 » Right. So I think it's smart to to advertise it. 204 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:12,760 » Yeah. >> Well, I I'd like to also mention that um 205 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:18,280 I I read a very interesting article today about 206 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:22,920 um Meadville, Pennsylvania, which is in western Pennsylvania, up 207 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:27,120 toward Lake Erie. And the article was really to do with 208 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:32,120 where what is a fabulous place to retire to in 209 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:38,360 Pennsylvania. And this is a town where all of the 210 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:42,360 businesses in the town are owned by neighbors, 211 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:48,400 by the community, which has made it a very 212 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:53,840 much more uh has brought in income to the town to sustain it very well. 213 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,920 » I don't think they're facing a data center. 214 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,800 Um >> I don't think Meadville 215 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,880 is. >> I thought I 216 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,960 I thought I had read that a couple of weeks ago. 217 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:09,440 » I This This was not in this article in any way. And what what they basically 218 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:15,000 said, I mean, it's a town with a lot of open space. 219 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:20,840 Uh they are close to Lake Erie. They have or have their own lake 220 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:25,760 that is part of the natural environment there. 221 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:30,640 They have uh French Creek runs through there, which we're familiar 222 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:36,360 with as well. Um lots of walking, lots of 223 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:40,839 lots of uh 224 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:44,400 retention of old historic sites, that kind of thing. 225 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:49,320 Um and most of the people who have moved there 226 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:55,480 more And the article acknowledged that probably the most they would not like 227 00:16:52,440 --> 00:17:02,760 the article to get out too far because the retirees are actually mainly 228 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:07,520 living on their social social security because the housing costs are so much 229 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:14,920 lower there. But as I read it, what I realized was we 230 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:19,880 are not the size of a Meadville. But we certainly have some of the 231 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:26,560 characteristics of an environment with a lot of open space 232 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:32,040 and a lot of um benefits to the community. 233 00:17:27,959 --> 00:17:39,520 And my hope is that as we go through this comprehensive planning process 234 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:47,280 that we do look outward at some of the model areas even if they don't 235 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:53,600 apparently seem exactly like us. To say what are the characteristics that 236 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:59,800 are retaining the positive aspects of these environments. 237 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:05,320 And at the same time helping the community to keep their costs down. 238 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:11,400 The citizenry. So I raised that because I read this 239 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:15,280 article thinking what I mean my first thought was who maybe I should move 240 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:19,757 there. There may be people in the room who 241 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:25,520 would love to have me move there. >> [laughter] 242 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:30,280 » But but the fact of the matter is that these are places that could be 243 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:37,320 real real places to explore 244 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:40,240 of what what could we be like in 10 years 245 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:45,720 and 20 years um and retain the values of what we have 246 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:50,000 here. So I just like to comment on that cuz I 247 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:53,600 just read it today. >> Thanks Anne. We'll keep you in Chester 248 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:59,640 County and that property is in the urban any other comments from the board? 249 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:02,640 I I just have one comment on the RFP specific to 250 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:07,760 to letter G. It says provide at least five municipal 251 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:12,480 references. Is it worth putting in there specific number of them to be 252 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:16,240 Pennsylvania related or uh >> Yeah, I mean we can 253 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,520 normally when we get references, you know, 254 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,960 Yeah, I guess and you know, I feel like we dealt with this 255 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,320 a little bit when we were doing the police study of 256 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:32,920 how much do you want to limit it because there's in there could be firms that are 257 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:37,040 a little bit more broad that maybe in Jersey or Maryland and and 258 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:40,360 would do a good job. Um but understanding that they probably should 259 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:45,320 have some kinds of experience. I mean, I can say two at least two has to have 260 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,880 Pennsylvania. I do think a lot of the firms I'm going 261 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:52,880 to reach out to have plenty of Pennsylvania experience. Um but I can 262 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:57,000 definitely tweak that to say minimum two. 263 00:19:53,920 --> 00:20:00,600 » Okay, good. We know that Pennsylvania requires its municipality to do 264 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:04,480 comprehensive planning. We actually I don't I don't don't know if that's true 265 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:08,240 of New Jersey or the other counties. 266 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:13,680 But you bring up both for the police chief search and then also for the WeGo 267 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:16,040 study for staffing. We both That's what That's what made me want to 268 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:21,680 think about this if we wanted to include some type of Pennsylvania I doubt I 269 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,680 won't lose sleep over it, but one or two the board is amenable to that. 270 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,760 » Yes. >> All right, one or two. Good. 271 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,440 » Okay. >> All right, I'll Before we go to public 272 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,320 comment in the room, I'm going to entertain a motion. 273 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,160 If no other board members have any comment, go ahead and entertain a motion 274 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,760 met Entertain a motion Oh my gosh, haven't 275 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,920 eaten dinner, all right. Entertain a motion to 276 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:45,320 um the possible passage here for the RFP to go to our next steps. 277 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:49,200 » With with with the additions discussed tonight. 278 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,360 » I second. >> Thank you, Lori. Thank you, Barbara. 279 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:55,560 Uh I'll go ahead and entertain uh comment in the room for anyone as it 280 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:58,280 pertains to the RFP process or this RFP specifically. 281 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,520 If you just go ahead and state your name if you're a New Scotland resident. 282 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:10,600 » Mark Frank, East Goshen resident. Um again, uh 283 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:15,000 still have concerns about this plan. Um, it has been done before, whether you 284 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:19,360 guys like it or not, it was done 10 15 years ago and it failed 285 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:22,440 uh recently because people showed up and didn't want to partake wanting to 286 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:26,080 approve it. My thing is 287 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:29,560 how much do you think this is going to What do you guys envision as far as the 288 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,640 total cost for this? I mean, you have to have some kind of 289 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:36,480 number. You ran on your campaign and you're going to do a much better job 290 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:41,320 than previous issues. So, you must have some kind of 291 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,320 idea of what you want to spend. 292 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:47,440 » Oh, before we dive in here and get more specifics on that, I think last year we 293 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:51,320 had a Was it last year or this year? Last year we approved a budget for this 294 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:55,640 year to include $25,000 for um Am I correct on that? 295 00:21:53,320 --> 00:22:00,400 » Yeah, I think we were So, we were going to do 296 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:04,760 2020 or 25 this year and then we were going to allot a certain amount next 297 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:07,520 year, which I think was closer to like That was preliminary discussions, 298 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:11,440 obviously, cuz we didn't have to pass the 2027 budget last year, but I think 299 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:18,080 it was around I want to say it's around the It was around $65,000 mark. So, 300 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:22,840 we were planning on having this approach probably six figures in terms of a 301 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:28,720 comprehensive plan review, which is kind of the norm um out there. 302 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:32,880 » Now, does that include the total cost of any of the improvements that you guys 303 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:37,160 approved of? >> No, that is That would be completely 304 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,280 So, in that I would This would just be for the comprehensive plan update. I 305 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:46,560 mean, everything in the comprehensive plan update is just a hypothetical until 306 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:49,600 policies come about from the board. >> So, you're saying what you're really are 307 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,800 saying is you have no idea what's going to end up being the final cost to 308 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,960 everybody. >> You mean in terms of its actual 309 00:22:54,000 --> 00:23:00,520 implementation? Uh we won't until we are actually in the 310 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:09,360 planning stage. Uh I mean, clearly, if uh if people are 311 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:13,440 basically going going to come through, if the community 312 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:18,480 feels that uh we don't have to do very much in 313 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:22,160 terms of um of 314 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:28,640 doing any anything more in terms of preserving our open space, etc., 315 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:33,800 uh then we're not looking at tremendous cost. I mean, you it's very difficult 316 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:38,560 what we have asked, and Derek has seconded this, 317 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:43,280 is we've asked that this be fully costed out, which hasn't been done in the past, 318 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,120 and it's one of the problems >> Well, I disagree with that one comment, 319 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:51,600 because it has been done in the past, because the previous accountant, Josh 320 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:55,040 Asper or whatever his name it is, him and I had numerous conversations 321 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:59,440 about this. He had sent me a lot of documents on how the cost was going to 322 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:02,840 be gathered, what the cost was, and where he got the information from. So, 323 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:06,200 there was some data on that as far as cost. 324 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:12,720 » This is not just We're not asking now just for data or discussion. We're 325 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:17,280 saying we would like a fully fleshed-out financial plan 326 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:23,240 that says exactly when we get into implementation, what are we expecting in 327 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:30,200 terms of cost of living, etc., etc. What are we expecting this to cost? 328 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:36,640 And we're asking to look at things like, quite frankly, 329 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:42,280 if one has to make a choice between open space 330 00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:49,560 and business planning, which would generate revenue, how much is it costing 331 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:53,840 us to maintain and upkeep our open space? 332 00:24:50,920 --> 00:25:00,560 Uh how much does it mean to the community? And if it means that we don't 333 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:07,280 have enough revenue coming in in 10 years to maintain that. What decisions 334 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:12,080 do we have to make? And that I think hasn't been done in the past. It's 335 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:20,400 really forecasting out over a 10-year period. What impact is this plan's 336 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:25,880 implementation going to have on the full economic picture of this township? 337 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:31,680 » And there's no guarantee in the plan, but the plan is actually going to 338 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:36,920 call for any specific capital changes or projects. 339 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,760 » Yeah, I was just going to make that point. 340 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:47,600 » Yeah, and that the plan is a plan like how do we as a township expect in 341 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:52,520 economic way to want to use our land in a very general sense over the next 10 342 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:55,760 years. It could, based on feedback that we got from the community, it could call 343 00:25:54,520 --> 00:26:00,440 for certain projects. I think you're probably 344 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:05,720 thinking about the last plan called for fairly specific 345 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:09,560 um projects. Um There's no guarantee that a plan is 346 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:14,920 going to say we need to build this or we need to build that or we need to we need 347 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:20,400 to construct it. That that will be the idea of what what if any projects will 348 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:24,320 come out of the plan has yet to be determined. That's the whole purpose of 349 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:31,360 doing the plan. The So, I mean the idea of saying is the cost of the plan and 350 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:35,400 then do we anticipate what some kind of future cost of any anticipated project. 351 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:38,320 We don't know if there will be any anticipated project coming 352 00:26:36,908 --> 00:26:41,600 [clears throat] out of it. The plan will tell us that. 353 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:46,200 » Yeah, I think when you when we actually when the comprehensive plan is done, I 354 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:50,560 think what you want to hone in on answer your question is what kind of public 355 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:54,920 infrastructure projects is on there or is it suggesting. And hopefully by that 356 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:57,160 point if you have a steering committee that 357 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:01,200 um reflects the township in a lot of 358 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,000 different ways that a lot of people will know already what the public 359 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,400 infrastructure projects would be proposed. Um 360 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:12,040 but the comprehensive plan is also goes well 361 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:16,480 beyond just public infrastructure projects. It's also about land use for 362 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:21,280 you know, private entities as well and how we want to distribute that if 363 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:24,000 anything if any changes come about. So, I think it's pretty easy to hone in on 364 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:28,680 the specifically the public infrastructure 365 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,360 projects that would be proposed which we don't we don't really know about at this 366 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,000 point. >> Yeah. I'll make it a comment. I think 367 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:42,520 one of the things that I heard you speak about before about the failure of a plan 368 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:47,480 11 years ago was it there wasn't enough uh public input 369 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:52,600 into the plan. And that's that's why it didn't fly because people weren't on 370 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:58,160 board with it. And as you've heard from the board and will continue to hear and 371 00:27:54,440 --> 00:28:04,040 as this RFP lays out that one of the important cross pieces of the plan going 372 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:09,920 forward will be getting as much input from the public as possible so that when 373 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:14,920 it comes to buying into any proposed project people will be either on board 374 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:20,200 or will know that they're not on board. So, that's the big difference that I see 375 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:25,880 is the importance of this the the this RFP is asking and we really 376 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:30,880 want to have a much greater input from 377 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:35,640 all the citizenry of East Goshen in the plan's process so that 378 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,160 whatever comes out of it is what people want. 379 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:44,600 » On that on that basis, I have a question for you, Russ. 380 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:50,320 Are there any public infrastructure pro- projects for East Goshen that you would 381 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:54,520 like that you would say, you know what, I wish we had. 382 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,880 » One of the big things for me would be maintaining the 383 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:02,240 um sanitation 384 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,800 plant cuz it's ready for some big upgrades apparently. 385 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,560 And uh I think that's very important given fact 386 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:12,120 that we want to keep as far distant from 387 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:15,240 other townships that going into Aqua. >> Mhm. 388 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:19,880 » Yeah, which has been the greatest going crazy for those citizens for those 389 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:25,600 township people. So, that's my biggest concern is how do we incorporate this 390 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:32,280 into this comprehensive plan? >> Your input is exactly what this is for. 391 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:35,000 » And how do you do that? Input. I mean >> I think 392 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,880 » I mean how do we how do I become part of the committee? 393 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,720 » I think uh Russell, you 394 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,360 I appreciate those comments and I think that's going to be something once we 395 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,680 develop the steering committee once we get to the RFP process and what does 396 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:50,160 that medium look like? We've talked to board members individually now. 397 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:54,120 Maybe we do um maybe we carve each of those uh throughout the township uh 398 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,360 hosting community meetings over at East Goshen four which would be like Summit 399 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,640 House area or maybe we go to Boat Tree, communicate, and have town hall style 400 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,320 meetings as much as we can to get as much feedback as possible. In addition 401 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,280 to having an actual committee made up by representatives of people who live 402 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,680 throughout the township not just you know, 403 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:13,000 where I live down East Goshen nine but also every part of the township. So, 404 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,520 » Right. Yeah. >> That's something that's very important 405 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,800 to the whole of this. So, >> Would there be chance for people to 406 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,600 volunteer for this? >> Yeah, I think we I I think after we get 407 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,720 a professional firm we would seek feedback from those 408 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:29,680 professionals to say what is the best way about going about putting together a 409 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:35,360 steering committee. I would see some sort of application process um would be 410 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:39,360 appropriate but I would also want input from whoever we hire on the best way to 411 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,600 go about it. >> And there will all be opportunities for 412 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,240 everybody whether they're on the committee or not, to give feedback to 413 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,240 the board. To the committee on the process and 414 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,400 plan. >> I 415 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,400 » Thanks, Russ. 416 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:58,640 If you have any comments, please come up to the podium. Mr. Shoemaker, I did I 417 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,520 see your hand and once we get through some interim public comment, we'll go to 418 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,280 you. But if you just state your name if 419 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:08,800 you're in East Goshen Township, please. >> I'm David Schwenk, East Goshen resident. 420 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,560 Um First, I'll take issue with the process 421 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:17,160 characterization of the old plan failing. It was done in 2015. 422 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:23,520 It did not fail. Um I was a board supervisor for 6 years 423 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:27,560 and we started in 2017 and every time we looked at a project 424 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,600 within East Goshen Township 425 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:36,520 we made reference to that comprehensive plan. 426 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:42,000 That was a living document that we used uh to make decisions as a data point 427 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:45,480 into projects for the township over the 6 years I was on the board of 428 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:49,440 supervisors. Second thing, 429 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:54,960 the cost of consulting. So, I retired from 430 00:31:51,880 --> 00:32:02,880 a huge multinational firm Wall Street firm, 120 countries 431 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:06,840 um 100 offices in the United States. Smart people 432 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:10,400 everywhere. When we needed to do what we call 433 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:15,880 business process reengineering, which is to do a long-range plan, 434 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:20,520 we did not do it internally. We hired McKinsey & Company for $3 million. 435 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,880 And we had them come in and help us develop our plan. 436 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:28,720 Uh when I worked for the Hospital Association of Pennsylvania, a 437 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:34,760 nonprofit, we every 5 years did a long-range plan. We had a lot of smart 438 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:38,280 people, PhDs, doctors. We hired a consultant to come in and help us do our 439 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,960 long-range good. So that'll be money well spent. 440 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:47,480 Number three, cost of implementing plans. 441 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:52,560 The plan doesn't mean we're doing anything in the plan. The plan is a 442 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:56,400 plan. The plan is ideas, basically. So, at the end of the day, we're going 443 00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:01,080 to look at all the projects in the in the comprehensive plan, and we're going 444 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:05,600 to total them whole those projects. And the total whole process is the cost 445 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:10,040 of implementing it, the ease of implementation, 446 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:14,640 and the benefit to the community. And you take those three factors, and if 447 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:18,840 it's cheap, has a great benefit, and easy to implement, you do that first. If 448 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:22,280 it's super expensive, and not doesn't have any benefit, and cost a ton of 449 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:27,320 money, that's at the bottom of the total poll, right? So, that's the process, and 450 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:33,160 the cost of implementing will be a transparent process of budgeting and 451 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:37,480 public meetings for the next 10 years. So, everybody will have plenty of 452 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:41,200 opportunity to have input into the implementation of those projects. These 453 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:45,120 meetings are public meetings. We all know we can come and participate, as 454 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:49,000 Russ does every meeting. Um so, 455 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,960 the the the final thing is participation. 456 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:57,920 I remember in 2015 457 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:02,400 and 2014, coming to meetings on the comprehensive 458 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:06,360 plan. I had an opportunity to voice my opinions on the on the content of that 459 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:12,399 plan. I remember being out there in the lobby, looking at easels with all the 460 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:16,560 things that were in the comprehensive plan, and we had posted notes that we 461 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:20,840 could stick along the different kinds of projects, and kind of vote for the for 462 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:27,280 the projects, and put comments on those. There were plenty of opportunities for 463 00:34:23,399 --> 00:34:32,639 for community input. And if we don't volunteer and get involved with this, 464 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,639 shame on us. 465 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,000 Shame on us. This is going to be an open process. 466 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:41,879 Everyone's going to have an opportunity to participate. The board wants 467 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:46,159 participation, and I'm going to encourage everybody in this room, and 468 00:34:43,879 --> 00:34:49,200 tell your friends to be part of this comprehensive plan. Thank you. 469 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,480 » You're here. >> Thank you, David. 470 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,720 Thank you, David. Are there any other comments or suggestions by anyone up to 471 00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:59,320 the podium, please? Just so that people We have a a Zoom 472 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,840 crowd. I don't want them to miss out on what you have to say. 473 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:06,280 » Thank you. >> Yeah. That That actually would have been 474 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,280 easier if Derek brought you the mic. 475 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,240 You got it? >> Yeah. 476 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,240 » We're good. 477 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,160 So, if you just state your name for any discussion or suggestion, please. 478 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:31,840 » Good evening. My name is Bill Rhoads. I live in East Goshen Township. 479 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:36,360 I've lived here almost 50 years in 480 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:40,920 Chester County. And 481 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:45,880 I've had the good fortune of working for two of the most highly regarded 482 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:51,360 organizations on the planet. The first was a very high dominant 483 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:59,000 technology company who rolled along 484 00:35:54,520 --> 00:36:03,360 frankly quite successfully for decades. And 485 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:08,960 somewhere along the way because it was so successful 486 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:14,520 it felt that it didn't need the advice of others 487 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:22,200 to be very critical of it and look out ahead and try to give 488 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:26,960 some insight around the changing world. So 489 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:32,960 in the '80s that I was an executive there in the 490 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:36,280 80s. What I saw was a failure of the leadership 491 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:43,360 to uh take the advice of occasional 492 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:48,680 prognosticators in the technology industry 493 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:52,400 and see the wave of technology that was coming 494 00:36:50,000 --> 00:37:00,000 from rooms filled with dozens of water-cooled 495 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:05,640 huge supercomputers to a more accessible technology to take advantage of. 496 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,760 And I remember coming home one day and 497 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,560 telling my wife, "Honey, I think I'm going to have to find a new place to 498 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:15,200 work." And she was 499 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,120 incredibly uh downcast because we still had two more 500 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,480 kids [clears throat] three more kids to get through college 501 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:27,200 and And so 502 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:32,440 I left because and then three years after that 503 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:37,080 that firm was laying off people left and right 504 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:42,000 because the technology world was going in a different direction. 505 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:47,640 Okay? The company I went to work for 506 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:51,720 was a financial services company who 507 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:54,280 had incredible potential. It's 508 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:58,160 I think the third or fourth largest financial 509 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:03,720 services company in the planet. Has a big footprint in the area. Yeah. 510 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:08,320 And I went to work for them because I was 511 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:14,920 impressed after my first interview that they felt that their business model 512 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:17,880 was very strong but they didn't have uh 513 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:22,400 the kind of leadership in key areas of that business, particularly the business 514 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:28,280 that so financial plans for large 515 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:33,040 companies for their employees, retirement plans. 516 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:37,440 And so I was happy to report I was part of the group people that came in to 517 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:43,360 change a firm that was willing to change and willing to 518 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:48,000 listen to outsiders and experts in terms of what the market was looking for. 519 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:57,480 And that's just a little piece of this issue that we're discussing here. 520 00:38:53,600 --> 00:39:02,400 But I think we would be well advised to be open. 521 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:06,200 Cuz many of these firms that help you structure RFPs, and the reason I know 522 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:10,720 that for a number of years I ran the sales 523 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:14,560 and marketing organization, large firms hire 524 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:19,200 experts to write RFPs for 525 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:25,160 and send to a variety of companies. So they can have the input they need to 526 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:31,600 make the right decision for the future benefits of their 527 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:36,280 employees. It's a It was a huge and still is one of the most important 528 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,800 benefits in 529 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:43,200 employee retention. So I just wanted to share that as sort 530 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:47,600 of a juxtapose with the discussion we're 531 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:47,600 having. 532 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,560 Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Allen. 533 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,160 » You're welcome. >> Goodness. 534 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,440 Any other comments in the room before I go to uh 535 00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:02,960 David Shoemaker on Zoom room? He's been patiently waiting. 536 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:07,600 All right, David, go ahead. >> Thank you. I think I've unmuted my 537 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:13,800 Excuse me, I think I've unmuted myself and I hope you can hear me. 538 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:19,840 I want to uh just briefly say uh that I I commend the um 539 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:24,800 the supervisors and the staff for their work and their leadership in pushing 540 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:30,080 this issue forward. Um obviously I'm not 541 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:33,280 familiar with the details of the RFP, but um 542 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:40,440 I um am optimistic and uh I applaud your 543 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:47,360 efforts in working on this. Um and I think it is a critical matter 544 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:51,080 and I concur with uh my uh 545 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:55,000 uh preceding commenters, Mr. Reynolds and Mr. Shewy, 546 00:40:52,720 --> 00:41:01,360 on uh the importance of what y'all are doing. So, uh kudos to all of you. 547 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:06,680 And uh I did have one question. I believe Derek mentioned in in discussing 548 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:13,040 the RFP that there was an attachment that was the zoning plan of the uh 549 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:16,000 township. Is Is that correct first of all? 550 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:21,320 » Yes. >> And is that available on the website or 551 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:25,320 how would a member of the public uh see a copy of that? 552 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:28,840 » Yeah, it's it's it's literally just I I labeled it appendix A, but it's 553 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,480 I don't know if Yeah, I don't know. 554 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:38,000 If it's in the packet, if you go on the supervisor's packet for today, September 555 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:41,960 1st, but if you just Google East Goshen zoning map, you'll see a bunch of stuff 556 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:44,200 pop up and the map will pop up, but it's it's it's just our zoning map with a 557 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:49,040 different district. >> the RFP? 558 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:53,160 » Ex- excellent. Um does Does that by the way uh one one 559 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:59,360 question that I've had come up in conversation is the question of uh 560 00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:04,760 uh conservation easements on some of the property in the township. Are Are those 561 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:08,960 shown anywhere whether a a piece of property is under a conservation 562 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:16,080 easement or not? >> Not is map or not even on the county 563 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,600 GIS. Conservation easements are very rare. 564 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,320 Um >> Hm. Okay. 565 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,840 » They're They're recorded at the county level, so 566 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,800 the recorder of deeds would have records of 567 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:32,880 properties that are um have a conservation easement and 568 00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:36,600 therefore cannot be built on, but um it would just probably be easier to look 569 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:41,600 up specific addresses cuz they're pretty rare. I mean, not all the open space you 570 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:45,480 see in East Goshen of the county has conservation easements. 571 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:51,120 » Yeah. Yeah. Well, that that's my question is to, you know, obviously if 572 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:55,800 it's under an easement, then any future development potential 573 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:59,480 uh is very different from a property that doesn't have that. 574 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:03,960 » Conservation easements are the most sure fire way to inhibit development on that 575 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:08,200 piece of property. That's correct. >> Yeah. Good. All right, I appreciate I 576 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:12,600 appreciate the answers. Appreciate your work. Thank you very much. 577 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:16,680 » Thank you, Mr. Shoemaker. Uh this is the type of 578 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,120 input we hope we get for the however long this is going to take us uh over 579 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,760 the next year and a half. So, any other com- 580 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:27,760 18 to 24 months. Thank you. Um any other comments in the room? 581 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:32,200 It's funny tonight I can name everyone that is East Goshen resident. But 582 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,800 Claire, please make sure that you you do that as well. 583 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:41,240 » Good evening. I'm Claire Thorn, 584 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:46,440 East Goshen Township resident. I live in Summit House. 585 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:51,480 Uh question comment. I imagine this happens regularly, but 586 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:57,960 considering for example, where Summit House is, at 587 00:43:54,160 --> 00:44:01,280 the very corner of the township border, um 588 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:09,320 will the planners 589 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:15,520 um have to work in tandem with people from our neighboring townships on 590 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:20,920 certain projects such as and then also the state probably 591 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:27,120 to do something like maybe install a sidewalk along Route 3 between the Giant 592 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:32,320 Shopping Center and Summit House. I think the Giant is technically in 593 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:37,240 uh Willistown. Um so something like that for the future 594 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:41,760 considering some people may not want to use their cars as often or maybe they 595 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:47,400 want to ride a bike. They live nearby. They want to go to the grocery store or 596 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:51,560 the state store or the Asuka. Excellent. And um 597 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:55,640 you know, utilize those businesses but they don't want to drive. I think it 598 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:59,880 would be great in the future to plan on some sidewalks. I know it might take 599 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:07,040 some coordination but that's something that personally I would be willing to 600 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:11,200 » So we're legally obligated to when we're done the comprehensive plan to give it 601 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,760 to our adjacent municipalities and give them 602 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:19,440 I forget. I think it may be 45 days. I'm not 100% sure, maybe 60 to comment on 603 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:25,280 the plan if they have any comments specifically 604 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:29,360 to um the boundary areas that are on like West Town and West Whiteland where 605 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:33,080 we you know, we border uh quite a few municipalities but 606 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:37,520 beyond just the comprehensive plan when you're talking about implementing 607 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:41,680 projects it I'm just going to assume it's a public project just for our sake. 608 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,720 And the good thing about the comprehensive 609 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:49,760 plan is I think you can sort of use it as a pitch if you will to the other 610 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:53,600 townships. So if under your scenario if you have you know, joint sidewalk 611 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:57,280 project that you potentially wanted to do 612 00:45:54,720 --> 00:46:01,320 um you can say to West Town, you know, maybe they'll comment on it and but if 613 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,920 not, hey, remember this, you know, we talked about it in our comprehensive 614 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:08,000 plan. You had a chance to comment. We really would like to work with you on 615 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:11,560 that. So, I don't think there's beyond the after the comprehensive plan is 616 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,640 done, I don't think there's a formal process, if you will, but I do think it 617 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,200 gives you again more leverage to talk to your neighbors 618 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:21,240 about what projects may be good around the peripheral of the township. 619 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,600 » Yeah. >> Yeah. 620 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:27,440 » But something like that is something that could be 621 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:31,560 with with with the community input, it could be end up being one of the 622 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:35,920 recommendation of the of the comprehensive plan. 623 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:41,760 » And not only that, what you've mentioned in terms of cooperation between 624 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:47,840 townships, that's become much more of a prevalent conversation that 625 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:56,080 particularly came up when there was a a conference in Harrisburg of supervisors 626 00:46:51,600 --> 00:47:00,280 um who were being trained, etc. Um and there was a lot of discussion 627 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:07,560 about overlapping um needs and sharing in those particular 628 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:13,360 situations. So, thanks. That's a really good suggestion and and question to ask. 629 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,640 » Thank you for the education. >> And I'm going to go on record now saying 630 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,560 the two things that I at least for me from the RFP and or not in the RFP but 631 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,800 the comprehensive plan that I'm going to be focused on is going to be walkability 632 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,320 and also preserving open space. So, those are two things that I've always 633 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,040 found important and one of the reasons why I love East Goshen. 634 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,480 Um any other Mr. Shoemaker, you're back. Go ahead. 635 00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:38,880 » I don't know. Maybe he didn't turn off. >> I'm sorry. I just forgot to lower my 636 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,520 hand. Beg your pardon. >> There we go. Does anyone have anything 637 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:46,080 else to say? Okay, any other comments in the room? 638 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,720 The Zoom room? Okay. Uh we have a motion. We've had a 639 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,840 second. I'll go ahead and call the motion. All in favor? 640 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,360 I. >> I. 641 00:47:52,320 --> 00:48:00,120 » Okay. Motion carries 4-0. Okay. 642 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:05,240 Thank you, Derek and team. Um No new business. Do we have any other matter? 643 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:10,520 » Just two quick things, Mr. Chairman. Just to update the board. Kelly and I 644 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:14,240 did meet with Goshen Fire on 2027 budget just to go over some preliminary things. 645 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,920 They're going to present I mean, we hoped to have numbers before 646 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:20,720 this, but they're going to present their budget at the October 6th meeting. And I 647 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:24,560 believe Good Fellowship is going to follow suit. So, we'll have two 648 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:28,520 presentations that night on the EMS side. And then, 649 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:33,480 I started today, actually. We're starting to make headway 650 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:39,720 talking to Aqua about the access to public water to the the park, 651 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:42,240 which we kept going back and forth. I think we've had conversations with 652 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:46,360 this about whether we do the bathroom first or the water first. Talking to the 653 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:51,600 manufacturer or potential manufacturer of the bathroom, 654 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:57,240 we don't think that we have enough gallons per minute to be able to meet 655 00:48:54,120 --> 00:49:01,560 for a well water in order to put that new bathroom in there. So, we're going 656 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:04,360 to have to get public water. But, anyway, I just wanted to let you know I 657 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:09,200 did start, you know, you have to go on a portal and start the process and and and 658 00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:14,720 all that. So, I did do that actually today. Already talked to the supervisor 659 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:18,760 of Chester County. So, hoping to make headway on that in the coming months. 660 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,920 » As someone who just transferred from well water to Aqua water, I'm very happy 661 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,240 to hear this. Any other 662 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,120 matter? Any other public comment from the room 663 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,880 about anything? Well, not anything, but 664 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:36,760 any liaison reports from the board members? 665 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:40,240 » Okay. No report. I'll actually just mention 666 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:45,840 from the Planning Commission, the status of the data center ordinance. 667 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:49,040 I'm just got the update from Kelly Krauss, but 668 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:53,240 the data center ordinance, as you know, passed the Planning Commission a month 669 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:57,280 or so ago. And it went for comment to the various um 670 00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:01,920 ABCs and also to the county. I think Kelly expects the comments back from the 671 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:08,840 county imminently, but there are comments from already from the municipal 672 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:14,440 authority. So um so there may be um we may or may not be able to pass it by 673 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:19,720 October. Um but but in any event there is progress on the progress but but but 674 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,960 it it may taking longer than I think we had 675 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:26,920 in terms of getting it uh to the board for passage. 676 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,400 Thank you, Larry. Does Eric Friedland say something? 677 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,720 » No. >> Okay. 678 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:34,400 All right. Um no correspondence for today. Interests I would entertain a 679 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:37,960 motion to adjourn. >> I so I so move. 680 00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:41,360 » Yeah, thank you. And thanks to that All right, all in favor? I Motion carries 681 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,160 4-0. Thanks so much. Have a great night, everyone. 682 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,440 Anything else, Frank? >> Nope.