1 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,980 Now 7 p.m. We'll call the Order of the September 9, 2026 Plenty Board Meeting. Please rise. 2 00:00:40,190 --> 00:00:45,610 We are a 7-member board, we have a little 7-member president, so we established a forum. 3 00:00:47,030 --> 00:00:53,590 You have a public hearing tonight, so it's kid over 7 pm, so we can start with that. 4 00:00:56,130 --> 00:01:02,930 We have a public hearing, especially used for men for Aspen, located on Calisplace, Aspen, 5 00:01:03,050 --> 00:01:09,050 Health, CDG, LLC, beginning the public hearing by reading the legal laws. 6 00:01:11,900 --> 00:01:16,420 The town of East Grimoire Claim Board shall conduct a public hearing pursuant to New York's 7 00:01:16,420 --> 00:01:26,720 State Town Law Section 274-B6 and Section 3.11.02 of the Town's Comprehensive Zoning Law 8 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,980 A application for a special use permit for the property located at Cal's Place, East 9 00:01:31,980 --> 00:01:41,360 Screamish, New York, tax map number 155.16-2-14.1, which is zone NMU. 10 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:48,860 The AFKP proposed this to build a 2,970 square foot duplex to be utilized as a two-family 11 00:01:48,860 --> 00:01:49,140 home. 12 00:01:49,740 --> 00:01:54,640 The review of the proposed work requires a special use permit for the town's comprehensive 13 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:55,360 zoning law. 14 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:04,040 Specifically section 2.7.2.c permitted special uses for the use residential two family residents 15 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,980 Said public hearing will be held on Wednesday, September 9th, 2026 at 7 p.m. 16 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:16,180 At the East Grimrich Town Hall, 225 Columbia Terrap like East Grimrich, New York at the above time and place all interesting parties 17 00:02:16,180 --> 00:02:21,110 We'll be given an opportunity to be heard so with that 18 00:02:22,710 --> 00:02:23,730 Is the applicant here? 19 00:02:24,190 --> 00:02:24,490 Yes. 20 00:02:25,090 --> 00:02:28,470 Would you mind just give us a just a real quick overview of what you're proposing to do? 21 00:02:28,990 --> 00:02:29,430 Sure. 22 00:02:30,130 --> 00:02:36,530 Uh, David Depp from the West Furniture Committee, the applicant has been known as PDG LLC. 23 00:02:37,450 --> 00:02:40,150 I also have a representative company here with me as well as this payback. 24 00:02:42,410 --> 00:02:46,410 The applicant is proposing to put a two family glowing on a parcel. 25 00:02:46,410 --> 00:02:53,310 I think there's a picture better showing the front view of this with a separation would 26 00:02:53,310 --> 00:02:54,290 be the garage. 27 00:02:54,910 --> 00:02:55,830 It would be a separate one. 28 00:02:55,970 --> 00:03:00,810 Basically, there's two of these structures with the garage in the middle and that's what 29 00:03:00,810 --> 00:03:01,730 the separation is. 30 00:03:02,350 --> 00:03:09,390 I believe it fits very nicely in the concept and the NMU district satisfies all that. 31 00:03:09,390 --> 00:03:10,470 The NMU? 32 00:03:15,590 --> 00:03:24,430 I think the big issue we had and we went over the last meeting was whether or not the 33 00:03:24,430 --> 00:03:30,650 square footage requirement was met and there was a apparently an easement and whether 34 00:03:30,650 --> 00:03:36,670 or not an easement was included within the scope of property ownership and determine 35 00:03:36,670 --> 00:03:42,550 that it was and I think there was an old town memo, one of the town attorneys from 1993 36 00:03:42,550 --> 00:03:48,270 or so that came at the same conclusion. So we've had that conferred conducted survey and 37 00:03:48,270 --> 00:03:54,370 titled search and determine that they would need a variance on square footage. But other 38 00:03:54,370 --> 00:04:01,270 than that it's barely standard residential to family development. Any specific questions 39 00:04:01,270 --> 00:04:03,050 that I can address on the board. 40 00:04:03,810 --> 00:04:05,850 I will open up to the board. 41 00:04:06,130 --> 00:04:08,490 So again, this specific public hearing 42 00:04:08,490 --> 00:04:11,430 is about the special use of a two family residence. 43 00:04:11,810 --> 00:04:15,590 So it's not necessarily a site plan per se. 44 00:04:16,170 --> 00:04:19,030 It's whether or not, you know, it's essentially 45 00:04:19,030 --> 00:04:23,130 an allowed use, but every forest per special use 46 00:04:23,130 --> 00:04:25,830 reveal the approval for that two families. 47 00:04:26,130 --> 00:04:28,650 So that'll open up to the board for any comments or questions. 48 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,820 Each of the units would be approximately 1,600 square feet, is that right? 49 00:04:34,860 --> 00:04:35,280 That's right. 50 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,280 Are there any public subsidies involved at all? 51 00:04:39,820 --> 00:04:40,540 I don't believe so. 52 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:40,800 No. 53 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:41,900 Other 54 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,020 comments or questions before we open up to the public? 55 00:04:54,110 --> 00:04:58,090 I guess I would say I used to live across the street for about nine years. 56 00:04:58,250 --> 00:05:00,590 I'm glad to see the parcel being redeveloped. 57 00:05:01,390 --> 00:05:04,830 Is this the parcel I have that house that was collapsing on itself, right? 58 00:05:06,210 --> 00:05:06,390 No. 59 00:05:07,610 --> 00:05:08,610 Where's parcel of this? 60 00:05:08,610 --> 00:05:12,450 This is all this is like a bust on our report 61 00:05:17,670 --> 00:05:24,730 You know when you're talking about it. Yeah 62 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,420 Um, any other questions from the board? 63 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:33,380 I open up to the public 64 00:05:35,060 --> 00:05:39,560 I'd like to say that I think it's a fantastic use of that parcel 65 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:47,440 And it's nice to see that it's not a parking bill but instead it's a family home, so that has to be actually necessary. 66 00:05:49,850 --> 00:05:53,670 Yeah, this has had a couple of uses proposed in this parcel in the past. 67 00:05:53,910 --> 00:05:59,470 And largely it's set vacant with overgrown grass that someone uses a residential one dollar. 68 00:05:59,650 --> 00:06:00,690 I think it's worth a while. 69 00:06:01,150 --> 00:06:01,650 Any 70 00:06:04,980 --> 00:06:07,080 other comments or questions? Any 71 00:06:10,310 --> 00:06:11,530 other comments or questions from the board? 72 00:06:17,220 --> 00:06:20,400 That's quick. But anyone would like to speak in favor of the special use permit? 73 00:06:21,660 --> 00:06:23,940 Would anyone like to speak in favor of the special use permit? 74 00:06:25,060 --> 00:06:27,300 Finally, would everyone like to speak in favor of the special use permit? 75 00:06:28,540 --> 00:06:30,600 Would anyone like to speak in opposition to the special use permit? 76 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,140 Would anyone like to speak in opposition to the special use permit? 77 00:06:35,380 --> 00:06:37,620 And finally, would anyone like to speak in opposition to the special use permit? 78 00:06:39,810 --> 00:06:42,630 Look at that. I'll make a motion to close the public hearing. 79 00:06:43,830 --> 00:06:44,230 Second. 80 00:06:44,590 --> 00:06:44,990 Second. 81 00:06:45,310 --> 00:06:46,170 Second by Mr. Tierney. 82 00:06:46,470 --> 00:06:47,630 The roll call is established. 83 00:06:47,810 --> 00:06:48,230 Mr. Mathsick? 84 00:06:48,450 --> 00:06:48,630 Yes. 85 00:06:48,970 --> 00:06:49,410 Mr. Viola? 86 00:06:49,770 --> 00:06:50,030 Yes. 87 00:06:50,630 --> 00:06:51,070 Mr. Nuant? 88 00:06:51,390 --> 00:06:51,570 Yes. 89 00:06:51,870 --> 00:06:52,290 Mr. Tierney? 90 00:06:52,630 --> 00:06:52,790 Yes. 91 00:06:53,230 --> 00:06:53,570 Mr. Warren? 92 00:06:53,850 --> 00:06:54,010 Yes. 93 00:06:54,390 --> 00:06:54,870 Mr. Conway? 94 00:06:55,050 --> 00:06:55,210 Yes. 95 00:06:55,630 --> 00:06:56,130 Mr. Shanley? 96 00:06:56,330 --> 00:06:56,570 Yes. 97 00:06:56,970 --> 00:06:58,350 And it's a very exciting to hear about. 98 00:07:00,930 --> 00:07:04,250 So next we'll move on to the old business and review of the project. 99 00:07:05,270 --> 00:07:06,930 How to folks deal with this project? 100 00:07:07,050 --> 00:07:09,370 Does anyone have strong feelings against it? 101 00:07:31,060 --> 00:07:38,970 I'm going to make a motion to approve a special use permit for COS Place, Aspen Hill, 102 00:07:39,190 --> 00:07:41,930 CDG, with all conditions listed. 103 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:46,700 Do I have a second? 104 00:07:49,260 --> 00:07:50,160 Second motion. 105 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:50,460 I'm John Schanley. 106 00:07:50,900 --> 00:07:52,620 The roll call is at the last minute. 107 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:53,920 Is the file on? 108 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:54,540 Yes. 109 00:07:55,060 --> 00:07:55,440 Is the one? 110 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:55,840 Yes. 111 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:56,700 Is the one you love? 112 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:57,120 Yes. 113 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:58,020 Is it godly? 114 00:07:58,380 --> 00:07:58,540 Yes. 115 00:07:58,820 --> 00:07:59,200 Yes, it's a journey. 116 00:07:59,420 --> 00:07:59,580 Yes. 117 00:07:59,940 --> 00:08:02,420 A journey by the 70 year old. 118 00:08:02,860 --> 00:08:03,440 That's the one. 119 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:04,520 Thank you. 120 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,160 Thank you. 121 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,420 You're going to business, number of VGA reports, number of referrals, and you have a town board 122 00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:16,760 at all, for town board friends that are going to want an event. 123 00:08:21,220 --> 00:08:22,060 You guys show? 124 00:08:22,060 --> 00:08:31,440 Yeah, so we sent you guys over an email with a memo with some extra documents, and there's a local law proposal from the PZD. 125 00:08:32,060 --> 00:08:45,760 So we're proposing right now amendment two, the subsection of the code 271-2, which governs the town center's district two-story habitable space, second-story requirement. 126 00:08:45,760 --> 00:09:07,640 So this amendment would effectively give the planning board opportunity to grant a alternative compliance to applicants who, you know, provide, provides improve that they are meeting or exceeding the expectations of the intent of that district, maybe without having a second, having real space within that second story. 127 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:17,260 So this would give you plenty of the opportunity to kind of vet those projects for possibly waving that portion of the requirement. 128 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:27,240 So it's not a waiver of the second story or the facade. That would be separate relief from the ZBA. This is purely that component of habitable space. 129 00:09:27,820 --> 00:09:31,780 essentially it still requires two stories but the second story doesn't have to be 130 00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:36,240 happened. It grants the plenty more of the opportunity to a great relief, not 131 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,720 relief, but a waiver from the habitable space part of the requirement if there's 132 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:45,200 alternative compliance met that meets the needs of the of the district just for 133 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,140 a history perspective prior to the new zoning establishment we had that two 134 00:09:49,140 --> 00:09:54,540 story minimum requirement along the majority of the corridor. The new zoning 135 00:09:54,540 --> 00:09:59,180 update basically, you know, centralize that requirement, the two-story 136 00:09:59,180 --> 00:10:00,780 mental requirement, just the town center. 137 00:10:01,300 --> 00:10:05,420 What we're looking to do here will still allow us to retain the authority to enforce 138 00:10:05,420 --> 00:10:09,960 that admirable space requirement in the hands of the planning board while 139 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:18,020 offering more flexibility from a development perspective for new uses within the 140 00:10:18,020 --> 00:10:22,160 district. So it's not development prohibitive. The admirable space 141 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,780 requirement which we have we have had a history of in the past that being a 142 00:10:27,220 --> 00:10:29,820 prohibitive requirement. So that's the intention. 143 00:10:34,970 --> 00:10:36,310 So just to understand the 144 00:10:36,310 --> 00:10:41,930 mechanics of this, a developer would come here for alternative compliance, is 145 00:10:41,930 --> 00:10:45,310 that what we're calling it? Yeah, so much like the planning board grant 146 00:10:45,310 --> 00:10:50,950 waivers for landscape or parking considerations in some cases where they have 147 00:10:50,950 --> 00:10:54,950 that authority. This would be a way for the planning board to grant that 148 00:10:54,950 --> 00:10:59,310 turn of compliance towards that habitable space if they meet those if they meet 149 00:10:59,310 --> 00:11:04,790 with the playing board sees fit. It's the playing board determines that they they 150 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:09,370 have met this alternative compliance would still have to go to the zoning board. 151 00:11:09,530 --> 00:11:13,430 No no unless they're looking for for further relief they don't want the 152 00:11:13,430 --> 00:11:16,690 facade for example they don't want a second floor at all in which case they 153 00:11:16,690 --> 00:11:19,930 would they would certainly have to get relief elsewhere. A single-story building 154 00:11:19,930 --> 00:11:21,930 is going to require an area in there and you're happy? 155 00:11:22,390 --> 00:11:22,590 Yeah, correct. 156 00:11:23,710 --> 00:11:26,670 Even if granted this waiver from the Habitable Space 157 00:11:26,670 --> 00:11:29,930 Requirement, they would still need to have a two-story facade, 158 00:11:30,110 --> 00:11:31,030 a false frontage. 159 00:11:31,130 --> 00:11:33,230 We have that along town center currently. 160 00:11:33,750 --> 00:11:36,650 There's a couple of uses that have that currently. 161 00:11:36,850 --> 00:11:37,710 They would still need that. 162 00:11:37,790 --> 00:11:40,490 If they didn't want that, they would need a standard area 163 00:11:40,490 --> 00:11:42,770 variance from the zoning border, but feels. 164 00:11:43,690 --> 00:11:45,610 Yeah, it is structured very clearly, too, 165 00:11:45,770 --> 00:11:47,830 so that they are aware that this is not 166 00:11:47,830 --> 00:11:49,450 a variance for anything other than 167 00:11:49,450 --> 00:11:51,590 and the habitable space component in 168 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:59,180 the climate that I have is that I like the new narrative. 169 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:06,060 I like the sense of such as improved building architecture. 170 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,060 I like the terms improved building architecture. 171 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:15,880 And I don't see that in your draft statement. 172 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:25,640 You mentioned the fact that there are other things that you 173 00:12:27,660 --> 00:12:31,700 say street state improvements, 174 00:12:31,860 --> 00:12:40,280 landscape or circulation, public improvements, and it says beside treatment, but it doesn't 175 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,120 to have the term improved building architecture. 176 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,500 I don't know how much this written stone, 177 00:12:49,420 --> 00:12:52,580 but I'd like the fact that we would be able to say, 178 00:12:53,060 --> 00:12:55,020 you know, take that mental signing walk 179 00:12:55,020 --> 00:12:57,080 and come back with a brick facade 180 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,400 that was a little more enhanced 181 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:04,100 or a little bit more professional for that area. 182 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,700 Yeah, I think, yeah. 183 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,840 And we couldn't certainly look into that and add it 184 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,460 as you know you could you could have that in your recommendation. I know the way 185 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:20,840 this is this these that's kind of suggestive of what suggestive of what can you 186 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,600 know permit or permit the alternative compliance so for example I don't think it 187 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:30,120 should be big right and I think we're being a little bit okay I think it's 188 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,100 important to make recommendations like that right because I'm five years 189 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:42,460 If majority of us are not in here, whatever, right, and when this was passed and someone else 190 00:13:42,460 --> 00:13:46,960 is given a hold on the front of them, it gives us some ideas, I just want to propose, you know what they might propose. 191 00:13:47,580 --> 00:13:50,780 And I think the intent of the two story, right, is visual aesthetic. 192 00:13:51,480 --> 00:14:00,520 And if you're talking about kind of trade-off or admirable space, right, like having to go that step further with the architecture 193 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:01,620 or makes a building that's nice. 194 00:14:02,020 --> 00:14:05,980 I think adding those recommendations in the air is amazing. 195 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:07,160 Yeah, sure. 196 00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:13,320 Yeah, along those lines, you know, I've always been kind of puzzled by the 197 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:14,780 head of the space requirement. 198 00:14:15,220 --> 00:14:17,840 You know, I went back and looked at the comprehensive plan, 199 00:14:18,380 --> 00:14:22,120 and see anything in there about head of the space or even the second story. 200 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:22,620 Yeah. 201 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:28,280 And I think I was kind of surprised to see it carried forward. 202 00:14:28,420 --> 00:14:29,900 I know there was that language in the old. 203 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:38,360 Yes, it was a long majority of 9 and 20 had a requirement for the two-story 204 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,420 minimum. The town center and the intention from the planning perspective from 205 00:14:42,420 --> 00:14:46,760 the top grants plan, as it released the top grants plan, it particularly has to 206 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,480 place making. The intention with the town center is to establish a land use 207 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:56,880 development structure which fronts development along the term pipe with that 208 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,960 that two-story look, the purpose of the Haberow. 209 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:18,200 The most-based requirement is the type of land use we're really looking for in town center particularly is really the commercial downstairs, the residential upstairs, similar to the town center project that we have. That's really the type of land use that we're looking for in town center as a release of the comprehensive plan. So that's the reason it was retained. 210 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:25,740 It was, you know, the subject of extensive deliberation for the establishment of the zoning 211 00:15:25,740 --> 00:15:30,320 was do we eliminate this requirement altogether, or do we centralize it to a smaller area 212 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,280 in town, center, the creation of that district primarily, the intention of that was to be able 213 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:41,640 to retain that admirable space to for a minimum requirement without, while also offering 214 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,500 flexibility in any assumptions primarily along the term, like generally speaking. 215 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:49,120 So we did achieve that, but there was interest from the 216 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,940 disowning steering committee at that time to retain that 217 00:15:53,940 --> 00:15:56,280 that habitable space requirement and the two-star 218 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:57,440 minimal push-and-tops center. 219 00:15:58,180 --> 00:16:03,060 So, and I think there's been that at the, in some instances 220 00:16:03,060 --> 00:16:06,340 to it, right, there's been some proposals that the ultimately 221 00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:09,400 was forward with when was, in all the park store, 222 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,440 I mean, I'm not pretty in town with, I don't know, 223 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:17,720 I'm personally pleased with what's their hours, you know, on a park's door at that location. 224 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:19,820 So I think it's worked out. 225 00:16:20,060 --> 00:16:24,200 I agree, like, the arrow part of it is still long to bait, right? 226 00:16:24,340 --> 00:16:26,840 People like, can I put a sink up there and call it an allable. 227 00:16:28,740 --> 00:16:36,140 It seems like a good option to maintain, you know, the overall intent, right, to the most work. 228 00:16:36,900 --> 00:16:39,920 Open it up to more potential, you know. 229 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:46,440 And we're trying to establish more of an opportunity for transitional development than going 230 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:47,420 from one to the other. 231 00:16:47,540 --> 00:16:51,000 Because obviously, as you see down there, we have Town Center Project, which is kind 232 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,320 of exactly what we're looking for. 233 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:58,500 We also have a lot of other uses where they're offered the opportunities to redevelop 234 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:02,500 without having to comply to the two-story minimum standard. 235 00:17:02,700 --> 00:17:07,840 However, in the very limited amount of parcels that we have that are not redevelopment parcels 236 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:12,680 but development parcels, you know, what we were, of course, looking for the original 237 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,800 10 list is to establish that commercial downstairs, you know, residential upstairs, however, 238 00:17:18,140 --> 00:17:21,620 it's not necessarily compatible with the existing district at the moment. 239 00:17:21,820 --> 00:17:26,360 So what this is planning to do is to allow for some, you know, transitional development 240 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:33,060 opportunity where we can still get the look that we want to achieve without, you know, making 241 00:17:33,060 --> 00:17:33,960 it develop perfectly. 242 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:59,840 Yeah, it's a rough point, and the way it's worth it now and just in strengthening it will only result in a better outcome for the planning where to have conversations with these applicants, because I think it actually will end up strengthening kind of that conversation of what maybe Kendra can't be done as well as oftentimes when we see pushback or architectural comments or something of that sort. 243 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:10,140 in this case, you know, it is a good opportunity to kind of make the negotiation, have a deeper conversation with comments like that. 244 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:19,280 I think, you know, I'm spending our last point too. I think it's important to put some thought into what those trade-offs, maybe it's not a trade-off. 245 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,680 what might be in suggestions in our memo might be. 246 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,380 I think of it kind of like the PDD, 247 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,240 or at least the PDD in its own blog. 248 00:18:28,740 --> 00:18:32,100 We're at a recommendation where to approve a PDD, 249 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,680 there was like a cash payment to the town, 250 00:18:34,900 --> 00:18:36,160 or you seemed odd, right? 251 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,820 And Parkland, and there'd be some really bizarre proposals 252 00:18:40,820 --> 00:18:42,780 that we were sitting in the playboard 253 00:18:42,780 --> 00:18:44,400 like what the hell would we do if that's right? 254 00:18:44,860 --> 00:18:47,760 It's a little bit arbitrary where this I think 255 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:53,440 we can truly say, we approve the design and we agree it gets underneath them. 256 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:53,900 Great. 257 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:54,860 Sure. 258 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:57,260 And, yeah, I also have no twos. 259 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:02,980 The department is interested in developing specific architectural design standards for town center in the future. 260 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:05,960 That was something I was deliberately identified with on top of the answer plan. 261 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,680 It was absolutely something that we're looking to move forward with. 262 00:19:09,140 --> 00:19:12,160 Hopefully, you're relatively assuming that to your point, 263 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:17,600 that will absolutely provide the opportunity for the board as well as the 264 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:23,100 department to essentially establish standards for how things work in town 265 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:27,960 center regardless of you know the site planning process and the story 266 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,100 especially use process or anything of that nature so we do have interest in 267 00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:39,240 doing that as well even more you know even more than what this would provide to me 268 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:47,080 kids were given the development of privilege opportunities for that privilege opportunity. 269 00:19:47,300 --> 00:19:55,400 I feel that they should be cognizant of the fact that we want to help scale our potential. 270 00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:59,980 Look, we want side wasn't want to protest, we're friendly, we want fences, we want to 271 00:19:59,980 --> 00:20:13,820 You know, absolutely escaping, you know, that blocks the other neighbors, you know, we want a lot, we want a lot of things that are going to enhance the site and make it a worthwhile project. 272 00:20:14,420 --> 00:20:21,700 But, you know, just to have someone walk in here and say, well, you know, I'm not going to go to the story. 273 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:24,040 with the heck with anything else you recommend. 274 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,600 That's why I really, the place to check in that paragraph. 275 00:20:30,460 --> 00:20:33,260 And it is discretionary, completely discretionary 276 00:20:33,260 --> 00:20:34,060 of planning board, right? 277 00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:36,160 So if there's a developer that comes in requesting, 278 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,920 you know, a waiver for the habitable space requirement 279 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,920 and the board doesn't feel that what they're proposing 280 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:42,680 is sufficient. 281 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,980 The waiver would be denied if they wanted to move forward. 282 00:20:45,980 --> 00:20:47,660 They would have to go and get a variance 283 00:20:47,660 --> 00:20:50,940 from the zoning board appeals for that process. 284 00:20:52,580 --> 00:21:00,300 I wonder if this is an opportunity to also further define what habitable means, and I 285 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:03,240 just have to have a lot of experience with you. 286 00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:09,380 It mentions cooking for a person, you can mention food, yeah, every day I work with. 287 00:21:09,460 --> 00:21:09,940 But I mentioned cooking. 288 00:21:09,940 --> 00:21:15,140 We attempted to further define it, as best as we could, it's much more further defined 289 00:21:15,140 --> 00:21:16,260 than it was previously. 290 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:17,500 I would say that much. 291 00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:27,020 The old code was very much just said habitable space and depending on the code enforcement officer that we had that meant very different things occupied by 292 00:21:27,020 --> 00:21:32,840 One more person for living sleeping eating or cook eating includes veterans living in the kitchen's deniers and other similar spaces. 293 00:21:33,540 --> 00:21:34,100 Yeah. 294 00:21:34,300 --> 00:21:35,200 Does it match the bathroom? 295 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,660 No, I was occupied by it. 296 00:21:39,100 --> 00:21:40,540 It says occupied by it. 297 00:21:40,540 --> 00:21:44,680 there was some flexibility there whereas like well could it technically occupy? 298 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:50,140 Does that satisfy that definition because it could technically occupy and you 299 00:21:50,140 --> 00:21:53,620 know so there was so there was a little too much probably flexibility within that 300 00:21:53,620 --> 00:21:59,860 definition. I think you know adding this subsection allows for us to kind of 301 00:21:59,860 --> 00:22:04,560 not necessarily ignore that definition but you know figure out what a better 302 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:11,520 what a better project looks like is the office space and option for habitable space? 303 00:22:11,820 --> 00:22:12,100 Could be. 304 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:12,780 Yeah. 305 00:22:13,180 --> 00:22:13,340 The 306 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,660 other similar spaces category, maybe? 307 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:18,140 Yeah. 308 00:22:19,140 --> 00:22:24,560 And again, the intention for the habitable space is to say, you know, if we have a development proposal 309 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:30,240 come in and they were to only do, if they did not have a habitable space requirement, a pilot 310 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:35,440 in a situation where that business or whatever it may be goes out of business, the redevelopment 311 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:40,040 pretend potential is much more limited in the case where you don't have that 312 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,120 habitable space component. So what we're trying to achieve down there is 313 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:50,160 opportunities for, you know, situations where we don't have someone going out 314 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,800 of business and the parcel just sits there for a very long time because there's 315 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,260 not much redevelopment potential. When you do have habitable space whether it be 316 00:22:58,260 --> 00:23:04,580 office or apartments, it becomes a lot more conducive to redevelopment in the 317 00:23:04,580 --> 00:23:09,480 case where so we were trying to look 20 years in advance you know if we have a new parcel 318 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:15,060 that's developed in town center you know what do we want to look like after that use is concluded 319 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,920 because that is a problem or an issue that we've seen a long Columbia term pick historically is 320 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:27,660 we have a lot of when businesses leave it just sits there so we're trying to establish something 321 00:23:27,660 --> 00:23:32,000 that's conducive for not only the original development but for also the redevelopment long term. 322 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,700 Just a waiver forever for a look at the split as long as it maintains an ice cream place. 323 00:23:41,820 --> 00:23:48,220 Redeveloped opportunity does not require two-story room for existing uses of town center 324 00:23:48,220 --> 00:23:48,660 currently. 325 00:23:49,180 --> 00:23:53,140 You know another two is it really haven't given the two-story height requirement. 326 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:59,220 An actual minimum number is it twenty three hours and twenty two a year is it? 327 00:23:59,860 --> 00:24:27,780 the the high requirement there's a max 50. Yeah, it's by code. That's why it's by building code. So I have to look at this. Yeah, I have to look at building code. It's her. It's whatever requirement is for a second floor for a habitable second floor. Yeah, so it is it is. It's not. It's code. That's required, but the two-story minimum requirement makes it the New York state. Yeah, it's a waste. Yeah. 328 00:24:27,780 --> 00:24:27,860 Yeah. 329 00:24:28,420 --> 00:24:30,740 I don't wonder if we want that documented video. 330 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:31,460 Yeah. 331 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:32,080 That's a good point. 332 00:24:32,340 --> 00:24:32,440 Yeah. 333 00:24:32,780 --> 00:24:36,520 We could put it in as a minimum height requirement or something. 334 00:24:36,660 --> 00:24:36,940 Yeah. 335 00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:41,530 So what are, you know, what's the process here? 336 00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:47,050 So we would write a recommendation as a board, whether the town board, outlining, you know, 337 00:24:47,150 --> 00:24:48,710 what we'd like to see in a local amendment. 338 00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:49,370 Correct. 339 00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:50,250 Yeah. 340 00:24:50,550 --> 00:24:50,670 Yeah. 341 00:24:50,670 --> 00:24:55,750 So we would effectively do it somewhat like a major site plan where we would draft a recommendation 342 00:24:55,750 --> 00:25:00,290 in to the town board and that recommendation 343 00:25:00,290 --> 00:25:03,530 can include all comments made here today 344 00:25:03,530 --> 00:25:06,910 and comments in the next 30 days that you might think of. 345 00:25:07,250 --> 00:25:08,090 It's a 30 day window. 346 00:25:08,910 --> 00:25:12,230 And our process, our zoning code dictates that process 347 00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:14,530 that the planning board provides advisory opinion 348 00:25:14,530 --> 00:25:17,130 to the town board on proposed local all amendment 349 00:25:17,130 --> 00:25:18,670 to our zoning code. 350 00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:20,730 So it's really from a planning perspective, 351 00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:23,730 what the advisory opinion of the board is 352 00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:30,390 and then the town board typically utilizes that as part of their process for the approval of the local law. 353 00:25:30,690 --> 00:25:37,670 And then of course we have to have a special public hearing at the town board for any local law 354 00:25:37,670 --> 00:25:43,350 so we follow the local law process after that and then it's filed with the state and then it goes into effect. 355 00:25:44,610 --> 00:25:46,050 Where's the town board in the process? 356 00:25:46,830 --> 00:25:54,990 So initiated secret today referred to the planning board today, scheduled public hearing for October 14th, thank you. 357 00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:57,530 October 14th, public hearing will happen. 358 00:25:58,210 --> 00:26:05,510 If it's a special meeting, make a technically move on it because that's a 30-day assuming planning board also issued their recommendation at that point. 359 00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:12,330 Otherwise, they would make wait until the following week, that's board meaning so pre-board is on the 14th. 360 00:26:13,010 --> 00:26:17,290 They could wait for the following week and actually adopt the local law. 361 00:26:17,470 --> 00:26:23,230 So I mean we have one meeting before the 14th of October. 362 00:26:25,630 --> 00:26:30,770 You know, preferably I would hope the town board could wait until after the 14th meeting 363 00:26:30,770 --> 00:26:34,910 because if we had a draft, right, at our next meeting to talk about, sure, and I could see 364 00:26:34,910 --> 00:26:40,570 a final draft that we could vote on on our 14th meeting as a goal, that would be good. 365 00:26:40,570 --> 00:26:41,270 And 366 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:53,340 I would imagine that board wouldn't want to vote on anything prior to receiving the recommendation, so if the board needed more time for recommendation, that's... 367 00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:54,320 Please tell him, is that please? 368 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:54,760 Yes. 369 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:56,880 So 370 00:26:59,150 --> 00:27:00,710 there's already a proposed provision. 371 00:27:01,430 --> 00:27:01,990 Correct. 372 00:27:02,190 --> 00:27:02,570 Correct. 373 00:27:03,250 --> 00:27:04,330 Essentially, yes. 374 00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:06,230 Playing boards before would be... 375 00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:14,410 We approve this proposed provision and or want these additional additional language in there. 376 00:27:15,170 --> 00:27:18,190 Well I guess that was kind of my question. So is this like are we doing this? 377 00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:24,350 This will be in the form of a resolution with our recommendations from them, from the 378 00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:30,690 town, from us. Yeah, from us it'll be, it'll be a form of recommendation as a referral. 379 00:27:31,570 --> 00:27:36,530 It's like the planning board would, you know, votes to recommend that the 380 00:27:36,530 --> 00:27:41,190 town board approve the proposed provision, right, to read as follows, however the 381 00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:44,010 the playing board also recommends the following language being included. 382 00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:44,510 Right. 383 00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:45,150 Almost. 384 00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:45,630 Yes. 385 00:27:45,850 --> 00:27:51,830 And that would allow us to amend the sessions in accordance with the comments here. 386 00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:54,370 And then had that in time. 387 00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:55,870 I mean, we could have that in time further. 388 00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:56,150 Right. 389 00:27:56,270 --> 00:27:56,930 We could do that in a while. 390 00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:57,490 Yeah. 391 00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:58,970 So I guess along the line, right? 392 00:27:59,010 --> 00:28:03,810 So what I was for the next reading, you know, we'd want to outline what that minimum building height would be. 393 00:28:04,090 --> 00:28:04,190 Yep. 394 00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:06,550 to add some information, architectural standards, 395 00:28:06,790 --> 00:28:09,250 if anyone else has ideas between now and next meeting 396 00:28:09,250 --> 00:28:10,450 that you'd like to see included, 397 00:28:11,470 --> 00:28:12,570 should these guys have an email, 398 00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:14,030 or should the larger group an email, 399 00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:15,650 I think would be better, so we can all see it. 400 00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:15,990 Yep. 401 00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:17,950 Well, I was wondering about, 402 00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:20,510 I went down through the list of things, 403 00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:22,730 amenities too, like roughed it, 404 00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:26,250 and I was wondering, do we say anything at all 405 00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:28,230 about negative sort of impacts? 406 00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:31,830 I mean, there are certain things that developers 407 00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:39,570 proposed that really are not conducive to the intent of the town center. I think it may not 408 00:28:39,570 --> 00:28:45,310 agree with it, but I'm thinking about a drive-through that drops out to Columbia Turnpoint. 409 00:28:45,910 --> 00:28:52,230 That's more of a design standard, I would say, for a drive-through specifically in something that we 410 00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:59,350 would look to include within our design standards when we start drafting those. But I would say that I 411 00:28:59,350 --> 00:29:02,650 I think the language itself does allow for the planning 412 00:29:02,650 --> 00:29:04,370 where to have some flexibility 413 00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:08,310 as to what they consider appropriate for that, 414 00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:10,570 for that alternative compliance. 415 00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:13,390 So, you know, for example, if the board disagrees 416 00:29:13,390 --> 00:29:15,830 with the or feels that a drive-through 417 00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:19,730 that is doing a twinzy does not meet the intent 418 00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:21,870 of the district and you simply don't grant that 419 00:29:21,870 --> 00:29:23,210 alternative compliance. 420 00:29:23,450 --> 00:29:26,070 But I think we gotta be careful about not changing 421 00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:26,710 a lot of use. 422 00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:27,090 Yes. 423 00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:32,350 I was about to make that clarification, we could not say a drive-through use that's permitted 424 00:29:32,350 --> 00:29:37,410 whether a BVA permitted use or special use permit is not permitted anymore because of 425 00:29:37,410 --> 00:29:37,590 this. 426 00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:38,310 We cannot do that. 427 00:29:38,590 --> 00:29:43,230 Especially because not only in this instance, but folks in other districts might say, hey, 428 00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:47,630 you guys changed the use requirements in that district. 429 00:29:47,690 --> 00:29:47,770 Absolutely. 430 00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:49,730 You can't do that. 431 00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:50,950 You cannot do that. 432 00:29:51,050 --> 00:29:55,670 However, to your point, John, we absolutely can, through the normal site planning process and 433 00:29:55,670 --> 00:29:59,850 through, you know, this way we're requiring a week. We do already have the ability. 434 00:30:02,220 --> 00:30:17,840 We do have standards in our parking code for the amount of curb cuts you're allowed to do for a specific parcel. So, you know, those are already things that we regulate, however, to your point, these are things that we do have the authority and would have further authority do under this. 435 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,800 Yeah, it's okay. It's a practical matter isn't this all going to be part of the site plan review? 436 00:30:22,140 --> 00:30:24,480 Yeah, yeah, it's practically yes, that's the way it's supposed to be. 437 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,740 Yeah, just clarify like it is a review for that waiver. 438 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,560 So you're not necessarily right, so we're not necessarily ignoring the use or denying the use 439 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,540 if they don't get the with the get the alternative compliance. 440 00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:39,720 They could certainly still meet normal compliance, right? 441 00:30:39,940 --> 00:30:44,120 So if you're taking consideration towards that drive through, I think the board has some 442 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:50,580 justification there to consider it if it's meeting if it's meeting a district's intent or standards or not 443 00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:54,340 and this doesn't mean that we have to approve something because they are 444 00:30:54,340 --> 00:31:00,360 proposing all of them exactly still that aren't right and not true and that's that's 445 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,780 expressly why we did it this way it's we wanted to plan where to have the authority to still 446 00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:09,320 enforce the requirement in cases where it makes sense to enforce the habitable requirement but 447 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:16,120 allow flexibility in cases where we feel there's alternative means to comply with the standards 448 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:21,920 that we're setting forth in the district itself. So administratively a project comes in with the 449 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,600 intent for alternative compliance we would ask that to be upfront in their application and I would 450 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:32,440 accept that application under the scope that they are looking for alternative compliance right so 451 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,800 for example if it's if it's a project that would be a major site claim with the second floor but a 452 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,660 a minor with a first floor or with not haveable space. 453 00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:45,300 I'll look at it as a minor, a common as a minor cyclan. 454 00:31:45,980 --> 00:31:48,180 If that alternative compliance is not crazy, 455 00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:50,480 they'll have to come back as a major, right? 456 00:31:50,860 --> 00:31:51,400 That makes sense. 457 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,300 So that's how they administratively we would handle those 458 00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:53,680 applications. 459 00:31:54,140 --> 00:31:56,620 So now we're just going to make sure we're addressing 460 00:31:56,620 --> 00:31:57,480 to a good gap. 461 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,140 I think of the second floor. 462 00:31:59,380 --> 00:32:03,740 So it's not 20-foot tall, but two feet in that. 463 00:32:03,860 --> 00:32:05,420 Yeah, it's truly at the side. 464 00:32:05,420 --> 00:32:09,960 Yeah, it's got a passing structure to it, a little bit, so you can see it from different 465 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:10,360 sides. 466 00:32:10,540 --> 00:32:12,520 It's still going to have that massing. 467 00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:18,180 Well, we're still going to keep it at 20 point, yeah, that stays, I guess, that's the 468 00:32:18,180 --> 00:32:18,420 point. 469 00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:25,460 Can you go back to the definition of drag service, which seems to actually have some discretion 470 00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:31,620 because it says drag service, or curve service, so you're a strong drag driver or curve service 471 00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:31,960 designed. 472 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,300 So, you know, I interpret that as somebody comes in with a drive through, 473 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,620 planning work that's like, you know, an actual drive through, may not be appropriate 474 00:32:40,620 --> 00:32:41,380 or going to be critical. 475 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:41,980 A curve up? 476 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:42,680 A curve stop? 477 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:42,940 Yes. 478 00:32:44,220 --> 00:32:44,440 Particular. 479 00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:47,100 Particular. 480 00:32:47,380 --> 00:32:50,960 Particular down on vehicle traffic and certain pedals that are supposed to be- 481 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,320 And that's the stretch we already have. 482 00:32:53,620 --> 00:32:58,080 Particular, when there goes out onto say, Columbia term five, that's the stretch we absolutely 483 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,660 we already have, but one that would be bolstered by this 484 00:33:01,660 --> 00:33:06,220 provision is the word pivot word, where a developer could 485 00:33:06,220 --> 00:33:14,160 propose a drive or a drive up order station on one side of the 486 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,280 building, and a pickup station on the other side of the 487 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,700 building, and the traffic flow in the park who just doesn't 488 00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:25,800 work. So, you know, and that's particularly why these use 489 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,400 drive-to-use, particularly special uses, and not 490 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:34,020 permit deduces because the entire purpose of that is to get that traffic circulation piece 491 00:33:34,020 --> 00:33:40,480 in front of the board because if there's a situation where in one, you know, we would like to have 492 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:46,680 the ability to make sure the way in which the traffic circulation works within the parcel is 493 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,240 something that's up to the planning board's discretion as a special use department offers in the first 494 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,400 place. Second, we want the ability to make sure there's not, you know, they're not proposing 40 495 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,380 I've heard cuts 9 and 20 because it makes the most sense for what they're trying to do. 496 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,360 We don't want that either, so our current regulation is allowed for that. 497 00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:08,620 But again, this proposal here on turning compliance, you know, will give us a little bit more 498 00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:08,980 TV. 499 00:34:10,820 --> 00:34:16,880 Well, the term alternative compliance really should be used, the term waiver shouldn't 500 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:17,440 be in here. 501 00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:18,140 Any options? 502 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:18,480 Yeah. 503 00:34:19,580 --> 00:34:22,560 The last waiver we ever did was a mistake. 504 00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:32,000 That's the one and only waiver did, but alternative complaints is a nice way of saving it. 505 00:34:32,460 --> 00:34:34,980 Yes, because if you're right, it's not a waiver, it's not a relief. 506 00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:37,440 It's a true mail term in science. 507 00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:38,280 Yeah. 508 00:34:38,740 --> 00:34:39,980 I mean, that's a fair point. 509 00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:50,560 When it was a waiver before the engineer came in and tried to compare it to every parcel around and it was very, very... 510 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:58,100 He felt strongly about his opinion that he was meeting in our attorney tent and I 511 00:35:00,310 --> 00:35:01,750 suppressed 512 00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:02,930 that back in my brain right now. 513 00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:05,030 I trust me. 514 00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:08,110 I drive, I drive, I drive live that waveroom. 515 00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:16,050 Okay. 516 00:35:17,530 --> 00:35:23,170 So next meeting we'll plan to talk through a draft in the meantime if anyone has anything 517 00:35:23,170 --> 00:35:29,190 I'd like to see in, they'll turn out compliance, send it to a larger group, and then we'll 518 00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:30,210 let it talk about it please. 519 00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:31,570 Yes, of course we will. 520 00:35:32,850 --> 00:35:36,310 Oh, when the draft will be, the draft will be ready, but next week for sure. 521 00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:36,630 Yeah. 522 00:35:37,070 --> 00:35:42,910 So we'll try to send that with a 25 minute band, so we're going to take a look at what we want 523 00:35:42,910 --> 00:35:43,190 to be doing. 524 00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:50,090 These comments are great, because once we get the minutes together, I'll go through and we'll 525 00:35:50,090 --> 00:35:54,130 put something together, you know, instead of going through just pre-prociting. 526 00:35:56,050 --> 00:36:01,310 Okay, I just want to say something praise of being big. 527 00:36:01,570 --> 00:36:04,350 I think about being specific, I buy into that too. 528 00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:11,850 We need to do that too, but I really think that you should continue to emphasize the intent of the district. 529 00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:14,030 I think that provides great guidance. 530 00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:19,350 Sometimes we do it. I don't want to lose sight of the forest, but we're dealing with the trees. 531 00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:30,590 And that's, you know, I think the way the language is proposed now, it's the language that's in the alternative compliance standard is deliberately from the town center in tension. 532 00:36:31,070 --> 00:36:38,630 That's the intention of the town center district, all these things that are in there with us on the streetscaping, that's deliberately identified as a new attempt. 533 00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:44,130 And I think this specific comment is more around like you don't want an applicant come in and say we're going to plant too our 534 00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:46,190 Provide it didn't even ask the property 535 00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:53,730 So it's it's got to be a more pointed direction towards how they achieve that. Yeah 536 00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:09,620 Then I'm at the August 26th meeting minutes. I cannot wait. That is right. I don't think you can discuss anything on the matter either 537 00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:13,300 I don't know what that means, it's all up to the job. 538 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,700 It's like the first set of events all year, actually getting comments on you. 539 00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:23,300 And then you can't discuss it, and it's totally the state that happened in those meetings. 540 00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:26,800 It still says chairman, then. 541 00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:28,900 And the weather is crazy short. 542 00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:29,420 Yeah. 543 00:37:30,140 --> 00:37:31,620 Any comments or questions on minutes? 544 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,080 I mean, personally, I thought there were fantastic some of the best minutes that she was talking about. 545 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:45,720 I'm going to have a better myself, make a motion through the RS-26-26 meeting minutes do I? 546 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,780 I will sign it. 547 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:48,700 Thank you, Mr. Carlin. 548 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,020 I have a roll call as I follow. 549 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:50,660 Mr. Masking. 550 00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:52,560 Mr. Violet. 551 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:53,140 Yes. 552 00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:54,180 Mr. Carlin? 553 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:54,640 Yes. 554 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,780 Is it you, Ma? 555 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:57,240 Yes. 556 00:37:57,580 --> 00:37:57,900 Do you hear me? 557 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:58,180 Yes. 558 00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:59,000 Mr. Shannon. 559 00:37:59,380 --> 00:37:59,520 Yes. 560 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,540 Motion carries my 6-0 to 1-0. 561 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,780 From the past, they weren't so well-written. 562 00:38:11,660 --> 00:38:18,860 Yeah, Gilgen Road, that's a good one. We are almost through the process for receiving 563 00:38:18,860 --> 00:38:22,880 final design approvals through DOT, which is great. We're on schedule for that project. 564 00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:32,220 After that, we have to get authorization from DOT to initiate right away. Matt's already 565 00:38:32,220 --> 00:38:36,680 got the phone right back on that so we'll be working through the homeowners in the school 566 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:41,440 district and all the other relative property owners that church as well through the right-of-way 567 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,880 process. Not many, right? Not many, no. Now primarily because most of the majority of the 568 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,800 past is on the ones that have the work process entering. You know it's the school district in the church 569 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:58,720 and then there's the three homeowners when it crosses and then it's primarily the developers from 570 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:04,220 there, we have relationships with just about everybody, so we don't attend that 571 00:39:04,220 --> 00:39:07,460 aerated-way process, which typically is part of the process that takes 572 00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:12,540 forever. We don't intend it's going to take too long. So with that, if we're 573 00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:15,860 able to get through a right-of-way relative quickly, though we have the LEM, 574 00:39:16,180 --> 00:39:22,820 DOT paperwork for authorization, which can take a while, we are anticipating we 575 00:39:22,820 --> 00:39:28,260 couldn't go into construction, which would be great. So yeah, that's the latest 576 00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:46,540 on that project. We're trying to stay away from the baseball and softball, so it's scheduling 577 00:39:46,540 --> 00:39:50,280 right now. We're waiting until we get the right way to even think about it because there 578 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,020 may be a case where we can't even think about doing it next year if right away it takes 579 00:39:55,020 --> 00:40:01,720 long enough. However, we are going to be in constant coordination with baseball 580 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:06,660 software in the school district regarding construction. Obviously, main intent 581 00:40:06,660 --> 00:40:10,820 hopefully would be to do an outside of school hours, however, you could run it 582 00:40:10,820 --> 00:40:15,360 to baseball software in that case. So we need to find an alternative that works for 583 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:21,760 everybody. But you're going to be doing, you know, the land takings until the end of 584 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,480 and then they're going to bid for 45 days. 585 00:40:25,740 --> 00:40:25,920 Correct. 586 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,120 You're going to bet a little bit, right? 587 00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:30,280 And that's going to take a little bit 588 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,600 and then the project keep off being. 589 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,780 I mean, it's kind of naturally dragging it 590 00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:35,920 which happens when the summer starts. 591 00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:37,220 Probably, yes. 592 00:40:37,460 --> 00:40:40,040 Like, I'm don't ask, don't tell me that. 593 00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:43,240 I'm intending, you know, for our purposes, 594 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,840 administratively right now with DOT, 595 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,740 we're trying to get the authorization piece done 596 00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:49,820 before we get our design approval 597 00:40:49,820 --> 00:40:55,800 that doesn't always work but I'm working on it as we can achieve that and we in 598 00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,120 right away goes away we think it's gonna go. We we do have a real possibility of 599 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,280 getting into it by summertime. Next year we have springtime is not not at all 600 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:12,560 likely to be to be competitive and of course you know it would start with you know 601 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,440 obviously the demolition part of it. We have to do right away coordination as 602 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,540 as well as utility, poor coordination and national 603 00:41:20,540 --> 00:41:21,640 wherever you have those goals. 604 00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:25,900 We're trying to work with the post office 605 00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:32,080 to move some mailboxes, however that's been difficult. 606 00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:34,480 We've run into that in the past as well. 607 00:41:35,020 --> 00:41:36,680 So there's some coordination things 608 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:37,880 that we're working on right now. 609 00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:41,820 But as far as design goes, it's in DOT's answer 610 00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:43,560 flag of approval, which is great news. 611 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,980 And with their comments, I can think about this. 612 00:41:45,980 --> 00:41:47,920 for very minor, which is great. 613 00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:51,500 So, but yeah, so we should be looking forward to that. 614 00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:54,280 Hopefully next year for construction, if not, 615 00:41:54,580 --> 00:41:56,900 you know, we have to move to 2028 before we use it. 616 00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:01,540 We've received a full funded construction allocation 617 00:42:01,540 --> 00:42:06,760 through last year's time, so that's great. 618 00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:08,360 So we're going to pay for about, 619 00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:11,620 the town's going to pay for about with the federal 620 00:42:11,620 --> 00:42:14,400 authorization and the state authorization. 621 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,500 Well, we will likely pay less than 10% for the entire unit project. 622 00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:19,420 Yes. 623 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:28,220 My first reply for that money draw away in 2010 when I worked there at a college. 624 00:42:28,860 --> 00:42:31,200 Didn't have a chance to really aim to see it move forward. 625 00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:31,640 Yeah. 626 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:32,200 Yeah. 627 00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:33,940 It's been a long time coming. 628 00:42:34,140 --> 00:42:36,380 Well, three mailboxes are going to be your get chance. 629 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,540 I'll say that too. 630 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:39,320 I'm not going down. 631 00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:42,240 I'll be covering it. 632 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,500 Well, the snow club driver, yeah, that's the problem with the NAC Red Bulls, it's got the 633 00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:49,500 real close to the road. 634 00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:53,500 And then I will in the NAC Mid Park. 635 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:54,760 Yes, also. 636 00:42:55,180 --> 00:43:05,540 Yeah, well in the NAC Mid Park, we are waiting on if we have an award out a grant application 637 00:43:05,540 --> 00:43:09,960 on the holidays for the New York plays grant, we're waiting on that to come back, we're hopeful 638 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,900 that we get that. We're looking to move forward that project either way. We have a design for the 639 00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:19,620 playground structure itself. We have the money security for playground structure itself. We're 640 00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:23,180 intending on moving forward that project. We will be moving forward that project in April. 641 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,760 Of next year, we're going to do some probably we may do some preliminary minor site work 642 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:34,420 towards the end of this year. We are contracted and we have everything good to go for the playground 643 00:43:34,420 --> 00:43:40,140 will enactment to begin construction in April when the ground falls. So you can actually see those 644 00:43:40,140 --> 00:43:46,400 plans to online both DPW site and planning zoning projects site. You can see those the sketches. 645 00:43:46,860 --> 00:43:54,220 And there will be a delay improvements as well to the part we're looking to do a dedicated 646 00:43:54,220 --> 00:43:58,280 parking lot in there. We're going to do some improvement. We're going to resurface the basketball court, 647 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:04,100 of course, maybe do some new hoops in the back there soccer nets, things of that nature. And if we were 648 00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:11,240 to get to near a place grant, we have a lot more funding to do more auxiliary improvements. 649 00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:12,060 That's great. 650 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:13,160 A ton of kids in that. 651 00:44:13,420 --> 00:44:13,600 Yes. 652 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:14,580 Greater neighborhood. 653 00:44:14,980 --> 00:44:15,060 Yep. 654 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,640 And the parking lot, too, is going to be. 655 00:44:16,940 --> 00:44:17,080 Yes. 656 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:18,120 Very helpful. 657 00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:20,640 All right. 658 00:44:20,820 --> 00:44:21,280 How are you doing? 659 00:44:21,620 --> 00:44:23,200 Don't go down manic food very often. 660 00:44:23,340 --> 00:44:24,460 But I went down there this week. 661 00:44:24,620 --> 00:44:26,780 It looked like there was a new activity there. 662 00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:28,980 For a barber. 663 00:44:29,540 --> 00:44:31,180 Or that housing belt. 664 00:44:31,180 --> 00:44:38,320 Yeah, in Barbara. Yeah, another they've been steadily building. They're coming in getting permits, so 665 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,200 I don't think I've ever received before 666 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,240 So, quick sign 667 00:44:50,740 --> 00:44:55,400 No, they're very large 668 00:45:22,780 --> 00:45:28,600 I've been up a couple times now. I went up that twice last week. I'm going to go up again this week, 669 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:36,420 went up once two weeks ago. So I believe them, they've sent me pictures. I had 670 00:45:36,420 --> 00:45:40,420 Erin Warren, the time bond over there as well, and we did have a discussion with 671 00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:43,840 Carver. Apparently it was in one of their trucks that got dumped, like a soil 672 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,620 truck that got dumped with glass in it. I don't know. Thought we cleared it out 673 00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:54,740 about a month or two ago. Sounds like there's still some there. So yeah, so I'm 674 00:45:54,740 --> 00:45:58,280 going to be needing with time bond as well that up there to see what we need to do 675 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:04,260 to resolve that. Yeah, I also be trying to knock on that neighbor's door a couple times, 676 00:46:04,260 --> 00:46:07,700 but I always go in the middle of the day. So, you know, you know, you're able to work 677 00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:11,900 in. So, you're going to grant my read, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. It's safe, my trips. 678 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,980 The data is ready for movement on that campus dispensary housekeepers. 679 00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:24,140 No, surprisingly no. When we heard from them maybe a month after their approval, 680 00:46:24,140 --> 00:46:29,720 you know just confirming things that they've been approved and then they went 681 00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:37,160 kind of quiet. I did hear some interesting I guess inside about how the 682 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,780 licensing works and so there might be there might have something to do with the 683 00:46:41,780 --> 00:46:46,220 way that these distributors or dispensers are getting licenses they 684 00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:51,980 apparently sell them off after receiving a perils and getting the license so you 685 00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:53,820 you know, I don't know if maybe they were just holding on to it. 686 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,900 There is a deadline from the state until December 31st, 687 00:46:56,900 --> 00:47:00,500 where if you don't have an active permit, 688 00:47:00,660 --> 00:47:02,400 then you'll just lose that license. 689 00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:05,380 So maybe we hear from them somewhat soon, 690 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,320 but as far as I know, it's been quiet, you know? 691 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:14,360 In our approval from the plane board had a deadline too. 692 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:15,440 Yeah, pretty much. 693 00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:16,860 Not the site claim on. 694 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,260 Yeah, this came in prior to the new zoning, 695 00:47:24,260 --> 00:47:54,240 which has dispensary code but before the news on it it just came in as retail because we had nothing else to do which we will soon need to change the state keeps changing yes our original code mimic the state's code the state keeps reducing their buffer requirements they courts have been very clear that municipalities can't grant the state law on the cannabis issue so do you think yeah or reduce it if you keep doing it closer to churches primarily and 696 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:58,640 And it's from door to door now and set up for our little parcel and it's on the same street. 697 00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:01,300 Competing incense and wheat smell? 698 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:01,920 Yeah. 699 00:48:02,660 --> 00:48:03,720 It's not in my hands. 700 00:48:04,420 --> 00:48:06,780 We like the way our regulations are right now. 701 00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:09,680 We're still unclear on whether we can regularly be especially useful. 702 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,700 We're working on that because we're told that we can regularly be a time, place, and manner. 703 00:48:14,860 --> 00:48:20,460 But then we're also told to especially usefully be considered unnecessarily restrictive. 704 00:48:20,460 --> 00:48:25,200 is the language that they're using which, frankly, I think it's a bit ridiculous because 705 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,580 the time-placing manner restrictions are authorizing municipalities, their specialties 706 00:48:28,580 --> 00:48:33,980 permit. So, if we can't do specialties permit, I think it eliminates our ability to regularly 707 00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:38,080 time-placing manner. But we're working on that right now. We have a contact over it. Oh, 708 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,460 Sam, that we're trying to work with on the outdated regs because we're going to need to. 709 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:43,360 Well, 710 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:51,520 that's so plain, didn't we have a DOT for our redesign in there? 711 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:52,160 Yeah. 712 00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:55,750 So they'd have to do that, mostly. 713 00:48:56,830 --> 00:48:57,830 Got building for that. 714 00:48:58,050 --> 00:48:58,210 Yeah. 715 00:48:58,410 --> 00:48:58,610 Exactly. 716 00:48:59,210 --> 00:49:01,450 All right. 717 00:49:01,710 --> 00:49:05,550 Well, over the summer it's time for people to go and drive the weather, but now it's dark. 718 00:49:06,030 --> 00:49:08,790 So, we're supposed to close the meeting. 719 00:49:09,450 --> 00:49:10,130 All fairer. 720 00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:10,790 Hi. 721 00:49:11,290 --> 00:49:11,490 Both. 722 00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:12,830 Have a good night.