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Good e good good evening. I will now

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call to order the July 23rd to 2026

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municipal council meeting. Madame clerk,

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for the record of this meeting, please

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show councelor Ley is absent with

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notice.

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Item B in our agenda tonight is a

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declaration of interest. Are there any

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declarations of interest from members of

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council?

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» Thank you, Madame Mayor. Uh so the first

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declaration is item uh F1 as it relates

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to file 010426

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as this item uh directly pertains to

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myself regarding a high school in

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Eastchoolbury. Item G2 under the uh July

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21st recommendations. Um uh number two

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and three, it's regarding the

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designation of the heritage properties.

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Um I own a company that owns uh one of

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the properties that's being designated.

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And then I will um also address uh July

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23rd's committee of the whole uh from

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earlier today. I don't have the numbers

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to those yet, but we can address the

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those numbers when we get to it. So

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thank you, Madam Mayor.

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Thank you very much.

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We're down at

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land acknowledgement statement. The town

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of Esquilenberry recognizes and

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acknowledges the lands originally used

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and occupied by the first peoples of the

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Williams first treaties nations and

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other indigenous peoples. And on behalf

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of council, I thank them for sharing

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this land. We also acknowledge the

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Chipawas of Georgina Island First Nation

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as Eastberry's closest First Nation

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community and recognize the unique

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relationship the Chipoas have with the

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lands and the waters of this territory.

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They are the water protectors and

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environmental stewards of these lands

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and we join them in these

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responsibilities.

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Before we begin hearing from deputants,

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I'd like to outline expectations for

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conduct at this meeting. All

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participants are expected to conduct

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themselves respectfully and in

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accordance with the town's procedure

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bylaw. Disruptive behavior, including

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interruptions or inappropriate language,

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will not be tolerated. Each deputant

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will have up to five minutes to speak

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unless otherwise approved and must limit

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their remarks to the subject for which

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they have been granted approval.

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As a reminder, deputent shall not speak

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disrespectfully

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of any person, use offensive and

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unparliamentary language, speak on

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matters outside their approved topic, or

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disobey the rules of the procedure or

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decision of the chair. If there is

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disorder or breach of these rules, I may

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curtail a deputation or rule it

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concluded. An individual may be asked to

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leave. We will now proceed.

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» Madame Mayor,

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>> yes. Um, do we not need to make a motion

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to rece to uh allow these p these

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deputations to proceed given our prior

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uh resolution? I know that the there have been submissions written. I'm

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fine to to allow the the deputations,

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but I just want to make sure that we are

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following our our prior procedure. Happy

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to make the the motion to receive both

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of these deputations.

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>> Madame clerk, could you assist with this

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please?

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>> Through you, Madame Mayor. That's

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correct. So um in accordance with the

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procedure bylaw, the consent of council

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is required. Councelor Ray de Clemente

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has moved to consent to hearing the two

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deputations listed on the agenda. You

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will require a seconder and a vote of

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council.

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>> Do I have a seconder and a vote of

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council? Counselor.

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» Thank you.

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And we're fine.

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All those in favor

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and that's carried. Thank you.

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And we will start with uh number one a

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lusty on behalfan

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a making a deputation to council

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regarding item L1 bylaw 2026-072

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being a bylaw to adopt the new town of

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East Berry official plan.

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>> Welcome. Good to have you with us this

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evening.

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>> Thank you and it's great to be here. As

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a preliminary matter, I'm wondering if

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my letter could be brought up on screen.

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There's just a graphic in there I'd like

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to make reference to on the first page

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of it,

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>> but I can start anyway while that's

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happening. So,

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>> if you're good with that, then

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>> yeah, fantastic. Uh, well, look, good

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evening everyone. Uh, good evening,

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Madame Mayor, members of council. My

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name is Alex Lusty and I'm a lawyer at

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Davies How. Our address is 425 Adelaide

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Street West, Toronto, Ontario, M5V3C1.

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And as soon as that letter gets up on

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the screen, um I'll show you where the

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properties that I'm uh dealing with

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tonight are. But I'm appearing for a few

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corporations with some properties at uh

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19,61.

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There they are. uh 19,071

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and 19,083 Lesley Street which is just

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south of the Vince's Market Plaza and

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not very far from here at all. And I

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have just one request tonight and that's

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to please defer any decision about these

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lands in the new official plan.

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Doing that won't hold up the official

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plan, but it'll give my client a lot of

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clarity. And so what um we're proposing

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um is is that it be deferred. And the

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reason for that is when you look at the

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new official plan, it's supposed to be

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forwardlooking, but um right now it

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doesn't reflect the intended future

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state of my client's property. The

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site's going to be redeveloped. It's

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going to be a mixeduse site. There's

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going to be 139 residences there. uh

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some 188 parking spaces, groundf flooror

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commercial, that kind of thing. That

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application's still in process, but

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that's what the current proposal is. Um

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and if there were more time to work on

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this official plan, maybe we would have

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got the policy right for this property,

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but uh it it just hasn't turned out that

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way, and that's why we're asking for

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some more time. If we could scroll to uh

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page three of the letter, so just down

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two pages, um you'll see some text

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there. There's some a couple uh

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underlined areas where it's just minor

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modifications to the adopting bylaw. I

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think that would do it. Um they're not

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lengthy. It just makes it clear those

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properties are being excluded. And um

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notes can be added to the schedules for

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the official plan to say these

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properties aren't part of it. And I

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think that approach is pretty simple. I

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think it'll be effective and it won't

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hold anything up because I remember when

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I was a planner and projects would come

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along and you need to move them on or

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they stack up and they get delayed,

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progress falls behind and it's no good.

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So, we don't want to hold anything up,

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but we think it's a it's a simple

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request. And what the modifications do,

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okay, is provide certainty to my client

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about two things. And the first is that

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they won't run into an interpretive

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issue with the new official plan. And

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not that we have one today that I know

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about or whatever, but I'm looking at

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this from the perspective of a lawyer

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thinking about a process into the

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future. Okay. And sometimes what happens

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is people get in a rush to apply the

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policies in a new official plan to

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applications that were never made under

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it. And we that's when you get a dispute

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and we just don't want that to happen.

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the end of the official plan process,

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it's approved, the application's still

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out there and folks say, "Well, they

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just approved a new official plan.

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You're you're off side of that. What are

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you doing?" And we want to avoid that.

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We don't want those headaches. and

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that's why we're asking for this minor

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modification.

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So, I hope you'll agree with me that

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what we're seeking requires minimal

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effort to implement, but it'll go a long

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way to ensuring fairness for my client.

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Um, so in conclusion, these changes

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would bring a great deal of peace of

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mind to my client. Um, and I don't think

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they're harmful to the town in any way.

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So, thank you. That's all I had intended

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to say. Thank you.

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Do I have a mover and seconder from

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members of council?

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Thank you.

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Moved by councelor Cone, seconded by

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councelor

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Ry Clemente.

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Be it resolved that the deputation made

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by Alusky on behalf of area regarding

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item L1

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bylaw 2026-072

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being a bylaw to adopt the new town of

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Eastenbury official plan be received?

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>> Yes, please do.

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>> Just a comment on the motion uh through

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you, Madame Mayor to Mr. Lusty. Uh I

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guess uh we're simp I I believe we're

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simply going to be receiving your

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deputation. From my perspective, uh

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notwithstanding your client's

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application, our official plan is our

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expression of our vision for our

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community and those lands. And so uh

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you've got an application in place that

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in that we're processing uh that asks us

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to change that vision, but we're being

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consistent in our vision for those lands

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at this point. And so from my

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perspective, I'm not I'm not u taking

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action on your deputation because I I

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simply believe in uh the process that

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we've undergone and uh and we're going

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to continue to process your your

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client's application under the under the

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provisions of of our documentation. So I

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just wanted to make that comment rather

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than simply receiving it and sending you

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on your way. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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>> Thank you.

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All [clears throat] those in favor?

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And that's carried. Thank you very much.

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» We're now at number two in our uh

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agenda. M. Corey on behalf of the

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Eastbury White Belt Land Owners Group

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making a deputation to council regarding

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item L1 bylaw

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20226-072

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being a bylaw to adopt the new town of

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East Squenberry official plan and item

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L3

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bylaw2026-074

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being a bylaw to amend

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bylaw number 202015-078.

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Specifically, a schedule A to revise

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fees and charges for the corporation of

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the town of East Squillberry in relation

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to items L1 and L3.

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I have a mover, please.

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Thank you. And a seconder.

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Thank you. All those in favor

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» I'm sorry. Go ahead, please.

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>> No problem. Uh good evening and and

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thank you, Madame Mayor, and to council

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for hearing the deputation. Really

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appreciate it. Um you've already had a

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lot of time with you. Uh you heard me

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before, but there's just two items we

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really like to talk about. I'll keep it

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very brief. Um I'll start with the

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official plan item L1. Um really

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appreciate all the work that your staff

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and consultants have done. Uh we think

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they've done a great job with the

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official plan. Very eager to see that go

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to the province. As we all know, the

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province can take a horrendous amount of

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time to finally approve it and we want

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to get that ongoing so that can happen

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immediately. So very much want to see

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that go forward tonight. There's just

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one last uh comment we had we'd very

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much like you to consider. Um uh that is

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the distribution of the retail uh

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commercial uh quantums uh through the

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new community uh design areas community

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plan areas in um the new communities as

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part of uh the official plan. Um uh we

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had previously made comment on this and

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asked for a revision to the amount.

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We're not asking for that. Um really all

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we're asking for tonight is a

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redistribution. Um, I had covered this

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in the submission I made on June 30th uh

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to committee prior to uh it being

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adopted. Um, it wasn't addressed at that

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time. Still hoping it's something we

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could get addressed and and so

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respectfully requesting that council uh

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potentially give direction to staff to

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make a modification to redistribute the

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retail commercial amongst the CDP areas

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in accordance with table two of what we

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had submitted. That's something that we

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have looked at and vetted with our

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landowner group. Uh it maintains the

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same amount of retail that uh is being

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contemplated overall. But the reason for

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the change and I I completely understand

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why uh the consultants and the staff put

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forward the distribution that's in the

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official plan. That is a distribution

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that's focusing on uh concentrating a

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lot of the retail on arterial roads,

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especially second concession. Um but

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that as much as that is a traditional

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and a well- tested and a well um

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successful way of delivering retail, it

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also has the effect of concentrating

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retail into certain areas and really

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promoting potentially more drive to for

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those uh retailing experiences and

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commercial experiences. Whereas the

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distribution that we had requested would

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put retail um in uh commensurate size

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and in location with the amount of

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population that's happening in each of

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the different CDP areas. So it's the

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same number. It's it's a minor change, I

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think, but it's a redistribution to

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really put the retail and commercial on

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sites that are within walking distance,

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which is very much in keeping, I think,

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with what this council I've heard over

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the years talk about in terms of

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walkability, sustainability, having um

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services people can get to without

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having to get into their car. That's the

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real intent of that request. And it also

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helps with the relative amount of retail

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relative to the size of each of those

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CDP areas by right sizing them. So there

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isn't an overwhelming amount of retail

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space versus other uses. So it's a good

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balance overall. I know we've vetted

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this with our whole group. The group is

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supportive of it. Um so we're very much

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asking please if you can make that

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change. I I know it's something that

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could happen through the discussions

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with the province. Uh with respect I've

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been through a few of those processes.

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Um getting changes done with the

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province can be quite painful. Um and

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it's not certain. Uh I I'd much rather

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see uh this council and staff have

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something that they put forward that

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they're uh happy with and that we can

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work together on. So that's the request

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on that, Madame Mayor. Happy to stop

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there and answer any questions and have

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something very brief to talk about on

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the fee bylaw.

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>> Thank you very much. Uh I will allow

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time for you to u give some information

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as well.

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>> Okay. Uh maybe why don't I cover the the

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fee bylaw then as well. Madame Mayor,

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it's a very brief point on that one.

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That's item L3 on your agenda. Um, very

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simple request. Uh, many places now when

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these new fees are created, uh, there's

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a perunit fee. And the common practice

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throughout York Region and Durm Region

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is to put either a cap a maximum cap on

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a perunit fee just because it's meant to

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be a cost recovery mechanism and and

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that ensures that happens or uh the

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perunit fee is graduated down as you

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have more and more units. And the reason

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for that is if you have a fairly large

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subdivision plan for instance come

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forward uh the fees can get quite

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excessive. Um I I can I can tell you

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that um when we did a rough calculation

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of what the fee would work out to for on

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the subdivision for instance under the

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new bylaw if you had a thousand units in

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a subdivision which would be you know

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probably larger than anything you'd get

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but it's a it's a good quantum measure

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the fees would be upward of 500

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something thousand just for the

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subdivision. Um the city of Vaughn has

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just imposed a maximum fee on

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subdivision of just under 170,000 as a

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comparator and there's other uh fees

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that are in that range. So, not asking

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for anything specifically, but but

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respectfully requesting that staff and

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council consider a cap on the fees to

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just keep them uh within context of cost

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recovery um and in uh context of what

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other fees are being in the rest of the

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region and other places. With that,

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thank you, Madam Mayor. I'm happy to

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take any questions on either of those.

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>> Thank you, Mr. Corey. Um, I have a mover

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by councelor John's and seconded by

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councelor Roy D. Clemente.

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Comments. Go ahead, please. Uh, thank

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you, Madame Mayor. Uh, I'll start with

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the last one first. Um, as far as the

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fees and charges are concerned, uh, as

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you note, it's a cost recovery

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mechanism. Uh, the report that came to

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us, uh, last month, uh, noted that we

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hadn't changed our fees in six years.

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And so, um, I know that, uh, by

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comparison, we are still some of the

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lower fees in in the the province. And

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quite frankly, um, it was one of the

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first orders of business that our our

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new general manager of planning, uh, and

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development services came in and said,

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we're not recovering what we need to

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recover. And this was one of her first

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initiatives. And so, uh, coming from the

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city of Toronto, I think she would have

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a little bit of experience with that.

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And so, if she's making that

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recommendation to us, I'm loathed to

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change that. Um, so that's that's my

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opinion with respect to that. Uh, as far

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as um the redistribution of the

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commercial. Uh, it's a it's a little

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interesting because um I note that you

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did make a deputation at our last

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meeting and I wasn't here so I went back

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and watched and you said that our OP

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needs to go ahead and you're happy to

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see it adopted. Um, committee at the

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time chose not to make any changes or

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give direction to staff. So you're

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asking again. Um and uh from my

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perspective um

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building communities includes creating

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commercial opportunities close to home.

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And so you're suggesting that uh your

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clients would prefer not to have

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commercial uh on on second concession

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because they would prefer to build build

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houses rather than put commercial bu

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commercial commercial buildings there.

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And so from my perspective, uh I want to

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see commercial there. And and quite

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frankly, after six years of work, uh if

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this is the only issue we have together,

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then I think we've done really really

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well. Uh if we were to reconsider re the

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distribution of that of that commercial

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land, we would have to go back to the

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drawing table with all of the other

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community design plan stakeholders and

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other land owners because you're

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suggesting, well, we don't want it. We

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want to give it to somebody else. but

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what if that other person has already

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invested in their community designs and

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their secondary plans? So, I think at

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this point we have a really great plan

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and I'm proud to support it tonight. So,

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I I appreciate you taking the time to

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try again. Um but I'm I'm not I'm not

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comfortable with making any changes at

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this time. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Other questions, counselor,

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go ahead, please.

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>> Thank you. um listening to your

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presentation, you're talking about the

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redistribution that there isn't enough

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uh homes in the current uh CDP area to

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warrant that much retail. When I look at

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it, I'm looking at the homes that have

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already been built. And certainly in

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that area, we have a lot of development

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planned and de development that's

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recently been executed uh that requires

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more uh commercial. So, I I take your um concern about the

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redistribution. I just wanted to see if

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uh staff could uh respond if this is

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something that can be if we can continue

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to adopt the plan and this is something

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that can be looked at as we progress

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further into um moving towards the uh

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secondary plans. Thanks.

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>> Thank you.

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» Uh thank you uh through you madam chair.

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Um certainly this is uh a conversation

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or letter that was received uh examined

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uh by our department and also had uh

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meetings with our own um retail

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consultant

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um who was here with us today if council

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had any questions uh Mr. Rowan Fluty of

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Urban Metrics um and and certainly at to

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promote commercial within the town of

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school and uh we are uh at least of the

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opinion that um the flexibility for land

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owners to be able to uh reallocate some

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of that commercial is something that

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we're certainly open to. Uh the concern

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for us was to retain the overall uh GFA

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for retail commercial. Uh and this

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proposal does not uh suggest to reduce

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that. It simply uh or more simply

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suggests to reallocate amongst uh the

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land owners within the community design

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plan areas. Uh so to that to that uh

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point um because of that uh we felt

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comfortable uh with the change if that's

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something that council uh directs staff

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to move forward.

531
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Yes, go ahead, please.

532
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>> Um, thank you. So, what I'm hearing from

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you is that this is something that we

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can look at going forward because to

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councelor Roy de Clemente's point, I

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would be uh I think it would be unfair

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for us to make a change and another land

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owner end up with more commercial than

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what they thought was going in.

540
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Otherwise, they'd be up here at the

541
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,799
microphone. Uh, if it was different, we

542
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:43,039
really really are in the 11th hour now.

543
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:44,799
Um, and I I think making those kind of

544
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:46,960
changes uh to a plan that has been

545
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,320
unanimous unanimously um agreed to by

546
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,880
council uh would be a step backwards and

547
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,320
I think we really really need to be

548
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,919
moving forward. So I'm hoping that staff

549
00:32:55,919 --> 00:32:58,320
can work with each of the land owners um

550
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,120
as on a go forward basis to uh ensure

551
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,360
that we are getting enough commercial

552
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,120
and that it is in the right place. Thank

553
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,720
you.

554
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,679
>> Thank you councelor Foster.

555
00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:12,480
>> Thanks Madame Mayor. Um, I may be trying

556
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,399
to simplify this too much and Jack,

557
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:16,159
hopefully you can uh help me out here,

558
00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:17,840
Mr. Krebnik.

559
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,559
Uh, the question that jumps out at me is

560
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,000
who's going to be responsible for

561
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,600
redistributing?

562
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,679
Is that going to be a function that town

563
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:27,200
staff looks after or is that going to be

564
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,760
a function that the uh the landowners

565
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,640
group looks after? And what simply

566
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,039
happens if you don't have a willing

567
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,440
partner to uh to trade with? I mean, it

568
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,720
just it sounds good. I'm not sure it I'm

569
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,310
not sure it works.

570
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,760
» Uh thank you councelor for your question

571
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,679
and through you madam chair. Uh

572
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:51,200
certainly um my assumption in uh in

573
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,320
hearing from uh Mr. Corey is that he is

574
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,440
representing the east school liberty um

575
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,919
landowners group um sorry the the

576
00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:04,399
land owners group that are part of the

577
00:34:04,399 --> 00:34:06,960
um commlete communities dime plan

578
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,560
process. So, um, you know, there is some

579
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,800
confidence in that that that those land

580
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,399
owners are comfortable with the numbers

581
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:16,320
putting forward or put forward to

582
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:22,399
council here today as well. If um and certainly I'm of the opinion that

583
00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:24,879
I'd like to give uh retail and

584
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:26,720
commercial the best possibility of

585
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,960
success within Eastchoolbury. So, that's

586
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,679
why I'm open to um reallocating if

587
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,599
that's the best thing for each to do.

588
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,679
Um, that being said, it's it can either

589
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,240
be directed here by council today for us

590
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:43,599
to make that change. Um, and if council

591
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,520
did not direct staff to make that change

592
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,800
here today, uh, we would, you know, I'm

593
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,679
sure Mr. Corey would make that um,

594
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:56,560
submit his his letter or thoughts to the minister. uh when there is an ERO

595
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,200
posting on the official plan. Uh or we

596
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,160
can also um and and the ministry may

597
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,079
make that change or we can also examine

598
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:06,160
that at a future point in time after an

599
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,920
adoption uh of this op by council and an

600
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:19,750
approval by the province.

601
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,000
» Councelor John's comment.

602
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,160
>> Yeah, thanks Madame Mayor. That was uh

603
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,240
through you madame mayor to to Mr.

604
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,240
Kernick that it's it's interesting you

605
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:32,720
have now spoken twice saying staff is

606
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:36,720
open to it to you said

607
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,040
best possibility for success to in order

608
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,640
to have uh commercial neighborhood

609
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:41,920
commercial which is which is

610
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,599
interesting. So, I was reflecting on

611
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:45,200
that comment while I'm sitting here and

612
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,160
I'm I was picturing what had happened um

613
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,240
in these past three and a half almost

614
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:55,280
four years and I feel like um many times

615
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,760
applications come forward

616
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:05,359
um where a uh stakeholder developer is requesting the change because the

617
00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:07,680
market conditions aren't necessarily

618
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,000
correct for commercial. they either want

619
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,920
it downsized

620
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,960
um or looking to have somewhere in a

621
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,920
different location. And I'm actually I'm

622
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,200
sitting here from a pragmatic

623
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,320
perspective and I'm thinking if the if

624
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,480
the landowners group are proactively

625
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,960
to councelor Roy de Clemente's comments,

626
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,960
this is now your second time before us.

627
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,560
You're sending us letters. Um, I tend to

628
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,760
treat whispers as louder yells when I

629
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,280
hear things multiple times. And so,

630
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,400
multiple deputations, multiple letters,

631
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,960
uh, I just had a this the staff member,

632
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,599
Mr. Krebn, just said

633
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:53,920
twice open to the possibility. Um,

634
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,839
I don't know if I have support on this

635
00:36:55,839 --> 00:37:01,200
council to send it back to staff, but I

636
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,839
would move it because

637
00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:05,760
the thing is is that we need the best

638
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,599
possible outcomes. And I picture what a

639
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:10,320
next term could end up being is that if

640
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,400
this doesn't go through or the the

641
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,200
province um doesn't contemplate this,

642
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,760
then are we going to witness four,

643
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,079
eight, 12 years

644
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:24,800
uh it could be maybe it's 20 years based

645
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,800
on our official plan 16 years since our

646
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,960
last official plan. Are we just going to

647
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,240
get hit with uh stakeholder developers

648
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:34,640
coming forward and saying change change?

649
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,800
I don't know what the answer is. But I

650
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,640
guess the reason why I would support

651
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,040
sending it back to staff to look further

652
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,880
is because I don't know what the answer

653
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,119
is. But I do know from experience um uh

654
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:48,720
if it doesn't slow down the official

655
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,680
plan process then why wouldn't we let

656
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,800
staff who have now said twice to us we

657
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,640
would be open to it. So those are my

658
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,160
comments. I would be happy to move a

659
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,839
motion if there was support around the

660
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:06,230
table for a pragmatic uh approach to it.

661
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:09,119
» Yes. Go ahead please.

662
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:11,920
I worry sending it back to staff delays

663
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,400
um getting on with the the official plan

664
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,920
and it's been in the works for a very

665
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,640
long time. Um the change change change

666
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,320
that you talked about councelor John's

667
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,680
we're going to see that they always come

668
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,359
forward and ask for changes. We we know

669
00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:27,440
that's that's a fact of our job is to um

670
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,119
debate and deliberate on the changes

671
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:31,119
that uh developers want to make to our

672
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,359
plan. Uh I also heard Mr. Kick say it's

673
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:35,359
something that they can look at uh later

674
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:37,359
going forward. Um, so hearing that from

675
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:38,960
our staff, I'm I'm comfortable with

676
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,079
moving ahead [clears throat]

677
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:43,280
uh with the plan uh as we uh voted on it

678
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,040
at our last uh CWC um sorry in our June

679
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,440
CWC um that's here for ratification

680
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,000
tonight. Thanks.

681
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,560
>> Thank you, Councelor Cone.

682
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,800
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um through you

683
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,119
to Mr. Corey. I'm not unsympathetic to

684
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:04,640
your your concerns. I I I think you may

685
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,240
have a legitimate beef with the

686
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:12,560
aortionment of commercial property. Um

687
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,160
and uh

688
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,160
and and and you know what as as

689
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,280
members of the of of the council here,

690
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,920
uh we want we want all our our partners

691
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,760
to be successful because if you're

692
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,359
successful, we're successful. Um,

693
00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:34,000
that's that's the positive stuff I'm

694
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,190
gonna say to you. Now, [laughter]

695
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,839
I I I really wish wish we could have uh

696
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:44,000
gotten a little more serious about this

697
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,000
earlier. So, it's not at the we're at

698
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,079
the, you know, we're not at the 11th

699
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:49,920
hour here. We're at the 11th hour and

700
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,960
59th minute. And it's I I I really am

701
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,880
not a fan of rushed decisions because

702
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,720
sometimes you don't always make the best

703
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,200
decisions when you're rushed. So, uh, I

704
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,720
would what I would say my my comments is

705
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:10,880
to to to staff and to to to yourself,

706
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:17,040
let's endeavor to try and and find that uh situation that sets everyone up

707
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,320
for success, whether it's

708
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,839
starting tomorrow and getting ready for when this this is uh sent their

709
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:29,040
official plan is sent to uh uh to the

710
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,760
province for for their approval. But

711
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,920
let's start it. Don't Let's not delay

712
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,119
because delay got us to this point. So,

713
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:38,880
let's not find ourselves in that

714
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,680
position again. But I I think I I have a

715
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,800
hard time trying to send this back now.

716
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,640
Um

717
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,960
I think we're we're we're

718
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,320
at the commitment line and we have to

719
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,320
make a decision. So, that's that's where

720
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,000
I I stand. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

721
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,400
>> Thank you. Other comments,

722
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,160
>> Madame Mayor. Um Council Cohen was

723
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,079
speaking to me. I maybe through you if I

724
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:04,240
could just address something a couple

725
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:05,599
things that were just said. I I just

726
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:07,680
want to be crystal clear. The request

727
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,359
from the LERs group is not to send this

728
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:11,280
back or delay it at all. It's to approve

729
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,920
the official plan tonight. The only

730
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,359
consideration is whether there's

731
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:17,359
direction to staff to reconsider that

732
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:19,440
table in finalizing it and sending it to

733
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,440
the province. Absolutely. We don't want

734
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,240
this delayed or or held up in any way.

735
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,720
Um just the second thing uh madame mayor

736
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,680
and to council um the CDP areas we're

737
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,000
talking about are represented by me by

738
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,839
the whole land owners group and they own

739
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:35,520
90 something% of it. They've all looked

740
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,720
at this. They're comfortable with the

741
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,960
redistri numbers. We're not trying to

742
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,640
put this on somebody else. We're just

743
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,800
talking about a redistribution

744
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,839
um amongst the owners and absolutely not

745
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:47,680
a reduction of any kind. I think it

746
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,200
could be a very simple and quick change

747
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,200
if council directed staff to do it. But

748
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,280
that being said, um also hearing uh the

749
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,160
concerns and very much so I think second

750
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,040
place for us would be uh a nod from

751
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,720
council and staff to say it's something

752
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:04,400
we'll prioritize and look at and

753
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,440
finalizing it with the province too. Uh

754
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,440
absolutely have no intent and don't want

755
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,960
it in any way this to be held up

756
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,400
tonight. Want it approved tonight for

757
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,319
sure just to be crystal clear. M madame

758
00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:15,839
mayor and council.

759
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:42,790
>> Thank you. Some comments,

760
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,240
» councelor Foster and go ahead, please.

761
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:47,599
Thanks, Madam Mayor. I had to give that

762
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:50,000
one some thought. Um,

763
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,960
Mr. Krebnik, if if we go ahead with the

764
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,240
official plan tonight, but as Councelor

765
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,480
John suggested, maybe we send something

766
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,280
back, how long is it going to take to

767
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,280
put a

768
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,920
an information report together to get

769
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,160
back to council, and does that hold up

770
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,319
the official plan going to the province?

771
00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:16,160
Uh thank you for your question counselor

772
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,040
through you madam chair. Um I think Mr.

773
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,880
Corey made it clear and I thank him for

774
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,079
that that there is no um desire I

775
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:26,079
believe on our part that's and and I'm

776
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:28,160
speaking for staff and that on the land

777
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,040
owners to um send this back or to delay

778
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,520
it from being adopted here by council

779
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,680
and going uh then proceeding to the

780
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,839
province. Um so I would suggest um we we

781
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:43,839
either do that or we do it with um a

782
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:47,200
replacement of the official plan uh or

783
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,040
we do it as well sorry with a

784
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,040
replacement of the of the official plan

785
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,000
table five as presented in the official

786
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,480
plan uh with um Mr. Cory's uh table two

787
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,640
in the letter dated uh June 30th to

788
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,069
staff.

789
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:10,069
» Go ahead please.

790
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,000
There's too many microphones on. There

791
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:17,030
we go. Thank you. Um

792
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,079
my perspective is that when when we are

793
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:22,720
when I'm I'm looking at the schedule

794
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:24,800
3G-1

795
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,960
and it shows where the commercial mixed

796
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,920
use is going to go, it is adjacent to

797
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,640
lowdensity residential and medium

798
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,800
density residential as well as

799
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,920
residential mixed use. And for me, um,

800
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,119
part of the appeal of, for example, the

801
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:43,680
village of Sharon is that while I live

802
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,480
in Sharon, I can also walk to the

803
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,880
grocery store and get something. I don't

804
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,760
have to get in my car. And if we move

805
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,280
this commercial mixed use out of this

806
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,760
area and put it somewhere else, then

807
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,480
we're allowing the development community

808
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,040
and the land owners to put in just

809
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,960
houses or just what they want and not

810
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:11,520
what we want. And I'm I'm sorry, but the letter that was received by uh by

811
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,319
staff uh shows that there was a there

812
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:18,160
was a requested reduction from 74,000

813
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,680
square

814
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,680
GFA meters squared to 45,000. I think

815
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,839
that's a five, maybe a six. I don't have

816
00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:28,000
my reading glasses on. There was a a

817
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,480
requested reduction. What's happening

818
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,599
now is they're leaving the reduction off

819
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,079
the table and they want to simply move

820
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,319
things around. This is too little too

821
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:40,240
late in my opinion. I would like us to

822
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:45,119
move forward. the province still has the right to make changes and the

823
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:46,880
development community still has the

824
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,920
ability to make applications to make

825
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,920
changes to the official plan as they're

826
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,240
going to do anyway. So, let's just move

827
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,160
forward tonight. That's my opinion.

828
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,079
Thank you.

829
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:05,030
>> Thank you,

830
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,560
» Councelor Johns.

831
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:07,839
>> Yeah, thanks, Madam Mayor. Just one

832
00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:09,440
comment off of that. what was said like

833
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,599
I I actually don't see it that way. Like

834
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:14,640
I actually do see like when you are

835
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,760
clustering commercial there's an

836
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,640
opportunity on the flip side to be able

837
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,520
to have neighborhood retail for walking.

838
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,480
I I if if you were looking specifically

839
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,960
in that area, I will agree with the

840
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,480
statement that you said, but if you were

841
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,359
looking at the overall picture, um

842
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:36,800
having um

843
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,040
having commercial

844
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,000
um redistributed throughout the

845
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,400
community does not necessarily give the

846
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,760
negative approach because it's not

847
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,280
finalized. So, you can't say it's

848
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,359
negative. And what I'm suggesting is is

849
00:46:51,359 --> 00:46:53,920
that staff have now made two comments

850
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,599
that they are open to it. Uh because

851
00:46:57,599 --> 00:46:59,119
they don't actually necessarily know

852
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:01,119
what it looks like on the other side.

853
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:03,520
And I'm simply saying if it doesn't slow

854
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,359
down the process and if we have an

855
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:08,160
opportunity to improve it, even if it is

856
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,800
1159 and there is an opportunity to

857
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,000
improve it, I'm simply suggesting that

858
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,480
why wouldn't we do that if it doesn't

859
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,400
slow down the process? And if staff feel

860
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,960
that it doesn't uh doesn't improve, then

861
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,440
so be it. I will say that maybe there's

862
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,200
a small window for a seconder from one

863
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,440
of my colleagues, but I will also I do

864
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,680
feel that I don't have the votes to

865
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:35,839
carry. But I do want to uh state that

866
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:38,560
um an opportunity just because it's

867
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,800
11:59 doesn't mean that it's an

868
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,400
opportunity that we shouldn't explore.

869
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,920
I'll leave it at that. If there's any

870
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,319
further discussion that would allow for

871
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:49,520
a further window to um to explore it,

872
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,680
then I'm open. If if there's no further

873
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:57,190
discussion, then that's it.

874
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,280
» Thank you.

875
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,470
Other speakers at this point,

876
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,680
we have a motion uh to receive the

877
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,680
deputation. This has been moved by

878
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,839
councelor John, seconded by councelor

879
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:14,800
Roy de Clemente.

880
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,079
All in favor?

881
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,079
>> And that's carried.

882
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:21,520
>> Thank you, madame mayor and council for

883
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:35,030
listening to us.

884
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,839
» We're at item E in presentations. Report

885
00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:39,760
of the integrity commissioner, town of

886
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,200
Equilenberry, formal code of conduct

887
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:48,950
complaint number 0110426,

888
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,599
investigation report. Could I have a

889
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,920
mover and a seconder, please?

890
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,760
>> Sorry, Madame Mayor. Just uh for clarity

891
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,839
purposes, I have uh declared conflict of

892
00:48:57,839 --> 00:49:00,319
interest and uh I believe it's customary

893
00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:02,880
that there is an opportunity for the

894
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,520
individual to speak prior to the um uh

895
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:17,670
the agenda proceeding to the item.

896
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,520
» Okay,

897
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,680
go ahead please.

898
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,680
>> Thanks, Madam Mayor. I just have uh

899
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,319
three brief paragraphs I'd like to say

900
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:28,319
as it relates to this item. I'd rather

901
00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:29,920
be too loud about what matters to

902
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,359
residents than risk being comfortable

903
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:33,839
with the silent status quo. East Wenbury

904
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:35,520
is the only municipality in York Region

905
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,599
without a public high school. Over

906
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:39,839
40,000 people and growing. And every

907
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:41,760
single morning, our kids leave town and

908
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,200
go to school in someone else's

909
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,599
community. For generations, residents

910
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:47,280
have been told the same thing. The

911
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,800
numbers aren't quite there yet. The

912
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,720
formula isn't right. Eventually, in

913
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,880
time. And there's a style of leadership

914
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,400
that values keeping things comfortable

915
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,720
over getting things done, that mistakes

916
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:58,559
silence for professionalism and calls it

917
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:01,119
leadership. And I don't buy that. Our

918
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:03,440
residents deserve fierce advocacy that

919
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,280
champions their needs. Thanks, Madame

920
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,760
Mayor.

921
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:14,630
>> Thank you.

922
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,359
» I'd like to refer to the integrity

923
00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:19,760
commissioner to provide an overview of

924
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,720
this report.

925
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,800
Thank you, Madame Mayor. uh to you

926
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,440
through you and to members of council.

927
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,040
The report before you sets out my

928
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,880
findings of the formal code of conduct

929
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,040
complaint 010426

930
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,440
in which uh councelor Brian John's was

931
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,240
named as respondent in relation to his

932
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:42,319
conduct involving the March 31st, 2026

933
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:44,160
delegation to the York Region District

934
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,640
School Board's Finance and Property

935
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,480
Standing Committee, a related

936
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,200
publication on his website, and a

937
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,760
related public communication. The events

938
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,359
and materials at the center of this

939
00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:56,960
matter have been in the public domain

940
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,040
for some time, the delegation itself,

941
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,040
the slide deck, the related social media

942
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,680
post. As a result, I do not intend to

943
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,839
take you through this report in detail

944
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:08,400
as has been my custom. Instead, I will

945
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,880
give a highle overview of what I found,

946
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,280
explain the sanction I have recommended,

947
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,200
and close with a few words on the role

948
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,079
of my office and the role of council.

949
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:22,240
Let me begin with what this matter is

950
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:24,240
not.

951
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,319
It is not about whether East Squirre

952
00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:28,720
should have a new high school. It is not

953
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:30,559
a finding that a member of council

954
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:33,280
cannot advocate for a school or for

955
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,640
other matters important to their

956
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,440
constituents. Advocacy on behalf of

957
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,839
constituents before this council before

958
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:42,480
outside bodies and agencies is

959
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,920
legitimate. It's important and it's

960
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,880
expressly protected. The respondent was

961
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,119
fully entitled to advocate for high

962
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:53,520
school in East Willoughbury, to question

963
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,319
existing educational planning, and to

964
00:51:56,319 --> 00:51:58,400
call for further study. Nothing in my

965
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,520
report should be read as, nor was it

966
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,559
intended to discourage any member from

967
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:07,119
doing so. Speaking about needs and

968
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,119
bringing those needs of the public to

969
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:11,839
council or committees of council is what

970
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:14,559
a counselor does when working to affect

971
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:16,720
change within the decision-making

972
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:20,000
framework of their municipality.

973
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,119
What I found was narrower and it's about

974
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,040
the manner in which the respondent

975
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,240
communicated not advocacy. The

976
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:30,240
respondent's conduct crossed the line

977
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,640
from legitimate advocacy into using the

978
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,480
indisha of his office in a way that

979
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,680
conveyed an authority he did not have to

980
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,480
submit aspirational positions albeit

981
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,680
needed and wanted by your community as

982
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,359
approved town positions. He branded his

983
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:49,760
materials east. He framed his own

984
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,559
proposals as town planning, including

985
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:54,559
statements such as, "Town planning

986
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:57,520
envisions a coll-located campus model,

987
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,839
town branding, but aspirational

988
00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:02,960
position." And he presented conceptual

989
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,880
infrastructure concepts as though they

990
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,599
were grounded in municipal planning,

991
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,319
direction, and approved. Taken together,

992
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:12,720
this created a reasonable impression

993
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:15,680
that he was advocating and advancing an

994
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,480
authorized position of town direction

995
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,640
when in fact council had adopted no such

996
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,200
position.

997
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,920
The consequences I set out in the report

998
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,160
was real public and institutional

999
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,119
confusion. with his presentation on his

1000
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:34,240
website and intent to make a delegation

1001
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:36,319
at the school board. Town staff

1002
00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:38,880
clarified the town position and then

1003
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,960
following the presentation on March

1004
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,440
31st, the school board made a decision

1005
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,680
to write to families to address what

1006
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,839
they believe to be the confusion the

1007
00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:50,000
respondent's presentation had created

1008
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,160
regarding the move of a school. As

1009
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,079
underscored several times in the report

1010
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:57,280
before you, the finding of breach is not

1011
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,920
that the respondent advocated and

1012
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:03,119
represented a much and very strong a

1013
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:04,880
much needed and very strong voice of his

1014
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,119
constituents. The report sets out the

1015
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:08,720
finding of breach in so far as the

1016
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:11,040
respondent's conduct had the foreseeable

1017
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,160
result of blurring the line between

1018
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,319
aspirational position as a political

1019
00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:19,040
representative of constituents and an

1020
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,559
official position of the town and the

1021
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,400
statements of town planning were not

1022
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,480
accurate to which as the respondent

1023
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,040
stated in his comments to the draft

1024
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,839
findings uh through his legal counsel

1025
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:34,400
his delegation before the school board

1026
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,880
purported to have reliance on and

1027
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,359
legitimacy in a 2018 document on future

1028
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:43,760
projections and options. The

1029
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,000
respondent's comments to the draft

1030
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,480
findings that I provided to him in

1031
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,839
summary stated the town's 2018 master

1032
00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:54,079
plan and the school board's previous

1033
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:57,599
enrollment studies said what he said in

1034
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,000
his delegation. This is what was

1035
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,960
received. I found differently those

1036
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,720
documents did exist. The 2018 documents

1037
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:08,880
identify the possibility and the

1038
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,680
opportunity of a future muchneeded high

1039
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,400
school in your town and projected

1040
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,640
enrollment supports the need for

1041
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,440
additional capacity. My findings do not

1042
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,960
dispute that in any way. But identifying

1043
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,839
a possibility in a plan, particularly

1044
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:31,280
one adopted in 2018, a possibility is

1045
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,760
not the same as a current council

1046
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,319
authorized municipal planning position.

1047
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:37,839
The breaches that the respondant

1048
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:41,200
presented an envisioned possibility as

1049
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,760
though it were a decided

1050
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,319
authorized position.

1051
00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:48,319
I have recommended the council issue a

1052
00:55:48,319 --> 00:55:50,160
formal reprimand to the to the

1053
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,799
respondent. Let me explain what a formal

1054
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:54,960
reprimand is and why I'm making this

1055
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,040
recommendation. The municipal act at

1056
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,200
section 223.4 sub5 gives two penalties

1057
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,119
where uh the integrity commissioner

1058
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:06,640
reports to uh council on uh the actions

1059
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,040
of a member. A reprimand or a suspension

1060
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,680
of pay for up to 90 days.

1061
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,040
A reprimand is a formal public censure

1062
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,119
which is a statement by council placed

1063
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,280
on the public record in minutes or

1064
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,200
following the meeting that council makes

1065
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,760
that the member's conduct in their view

1066
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,599
based on the findings of the integrity

1067
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:27,599
commissioner fell short of the standard

1068
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,160
of the code requirements. It's a public

1069
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,079
statement for the record. The

1070
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:35,599
legislature created two uh deliberate

1071
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:38,799
penalties that council could impose in

1072
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:40,559
response to the integrity commissioner's

1073
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:43,839
findings and can be uh proportionate

1074
00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:45,839
based on her findings. The reprimand

1075
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marks and denounces the breach and

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00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:50,960
affirms the standard set out in the code

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00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,520
and affirms council's commitment. Even

1078
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,839
though I found two breaches or of two

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00:56:55,839 --> 00:56:58,640
sections of the code, um I did not

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00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,040
recommend suspension of remuneration.

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00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,359
And let me explain why. First, two

1082
00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:06,079
breaches uh two sections of the code

1083
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:08,240
breach does not mean that there have

1084
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:11,680
been multiple breaches. Um the fact that

1085
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,079
the same conduct, the delegation to the

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00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:17,040
school board and the post related to

1087
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,599
that delegation on its own does not make

1088
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,480
it twice as serious. Uh second, this was

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00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,880
not a case of dishonesty for personal or

1090
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,640
financial gain or harassment or

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00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,680
disparaging staff or the public or

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00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,599
calling into question the professional

1093
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:34,799
integrity of staff. It was advocacy, but

1094
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:38,079
it was advocacy that overreached and

1095
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:40,400
confused through giving the perception

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00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,440
of an approved town position. Currently,

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00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,240
the regulations for the municipal act as

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00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,880
it relates to codes of conduct has four

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00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,119
requirements in codes of conduct. Gifts

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00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:53,200
and benefits which underscore the need

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00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,359
to avoid conflicts of interest.

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00:57:55,359 --> 00:57:57,760
Respectful conduct in particular towards

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00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,240
staff as it is very important not to

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00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,559
undermine the role of staff. Protection

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00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:04,160
of confidential information and

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00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,000
appropriate use of property of the

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00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,400
municipality. So, generally speaking,

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00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,079
where there is a finding of breach that

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00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:12,480
relates to those significant areas,

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00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,880
there likely will be based on the facts

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00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,880
a recommendation of a harsher uh

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00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,599
penalty. But in this case, I did not. I

1113
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:21,359
determined that the recommendation of a

1114
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:24,240
formal reprimand is proportionate in

1115
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,119
this instance to the conduct that I

1116
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:29,760
found with this particular matter.

1117
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,680
Before I close, I will say a few words

1118
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,599
on process and roles. I've said it

1119
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:36,160
before. I'll just reiterate for clarity.

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My role as integrity commissioner is to

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00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,720
investigate the complaint independently

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00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,559
to apply the code rules to the facts

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00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:44,640
that I have gathered and to make

1124
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,559
findings on a balance of probabilities

1125
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:48,480
and report to you council and you

1126
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,880
council are the decision maker based on

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00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,520
my findings. You make a decision on the

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00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,920
recommendation. I have done that and now

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00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,079
it's up to you. My investigation is

1130
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,160
complete and my report before you is

1131
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,760
final. Council is now to receive the

1132
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,319
report, decide whether to adopt my

1133
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:08,960
recommendation, vary my recommendation,

1134
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,440
or reject my recommendation. In doing

1135
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,359
so, council may ask me questions on

1136
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:15,200
clarification about the process I

1137
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,240
followed um and the recommendation on

1138
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,359
sanction um but cannot open the

1139
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:23,520
investigation. The investigation is

1140
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,599
complete. This evening is not an

1141
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,680
opportunity for council to reopen or

1142
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,000
rearview the findings to introduce new

1143
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,240
information that is not in the report or

1144
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,640
to question the respondent uh who has

1145
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,480
already been given an opportunity to

1146
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,040
respond. Uh he was provided with the

1147
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,680
complaint. He was provided with uh the

1148
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,240
opportunity to reply that is appendex A

1149
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,640
to this report. Also, in accordance with

1150
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,559
the rules of procedural fairness, the

1151
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:50,559
respondent was given a copy of my draft

1152
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:52,960
findings and provided an opportunity to

1153
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,280
make comments on errors or emissions. He

1154
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,280
did so and you can find those comments

1155
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,920
on page 17 to 19 of the report before

1156
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:02,799
you. I'd like to close by saying as set

1157
01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:04,640
out in the preamble of the code,

1158
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,119
formalized standards and rules help you

1159
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:10,240
to provide uh uh to have a reference

1160
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,200
guide with respect to your conduct and

1161
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:14,960
it supplements the legislative

1162
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,040
parameters when within which members

1163
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,160
must operate. Code rules enhance public

1164
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,559
confidence that the town's elected

1165
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,799
representatives operate from a base of

1166
01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:27,280
integrity given the weight and the

1167
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,280
credibility that you gain when you

1168
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,839
become an elected officer. Members are

1169
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:33,920
therefore expected to perform their

1170
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,520
duties of office in a manner not just

1171
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,160
doing so, but in a manner that will

1172
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,160
always bear the closest scrutiny. I

1173
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,079
thank you for your time. I appreciate

1174
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:46,319
the work you do. I'm happy to answer any

1175
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:48,640
questions you may have.

1176
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,799
Thank you very much for taking the time

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01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:54,480
out of your your time to spend uh with

1178
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,400
us. I appreciate it very much. Thank

1179
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:01,670
you.

1180
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,680
Are there any questions or comments from

1181
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,359
members of council regarding the

1182
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:09,040
integrity commissioners report?

1183
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,200
>> Councelor Cone.

1184
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,599
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, I think I

1185
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:15,680
said this the last time we found

1186
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,319
ourselves here uh receiving a report

1187
01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:20,799
from the integrity commissioner uh for

1188
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:23,599
councelor John's. It's it's a truism

1189
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:26,240
that in politics the often the worst

1190
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,960
wounds that are inflicted are the ones

1191
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,599
that are self-inflicted.

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01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:33,920
You know, there was a but I want I want

1193
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,480
to draw a line from a report from the

1194
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,359
report that that really jumped out at me

1195
01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:42,319
and gave me concern. The line was the

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01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:45,359
complaint is politically motivated and

1197
01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:47,680
constitutes an attempt to weaponize the

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01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,880
code to restrict legitimate political

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01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,799
expression.

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01:01:52,799 --> 01:01:55,440
Now the integrity commissioner uh is an

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01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,480
append independent officer of council

1202
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,400
appointed by us to apply the code of

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01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,880
conduct impartially without regard to

1204
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,000
politics or electoral calendar. That

1205
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,760
independence is the whole point of the

1206
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,359
office. When a finding doesn't go

1207
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:11,839
someone's way. The answer isn't to look

1208
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:13,680
for a scapegoat. It's to accept the

1209
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,160
outcome and to do better.

1210
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,480
Blaming political opponents for your own

1211
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,480
accountability failures is a tactic more

1212
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,640
common south of the border than it is

1213
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,400
here. And it's not one that East School

1214
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,640
residents deserve to see imported to our

1215
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,599
local politics. Our community expects

1216
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:31,440
better of the people who serve it and

1217
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,440
frankly so do I.

1218
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,520
But to suggest that these comments are

1219
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,079
politically motivated points a finger

1220
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:40,640
directly at me

1221
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,720
and that I am the only opponent right

1222
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,960
now in the current election towards

1223
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,359
councelor John's and I want to make it

1224
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:50,880
crystal clear on this point.

1225
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,960
I categorically deny making this

1226
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,119
complaint or having any involvement with

1227
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:57,040
it or my team having any involvement

1228
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,200
with it whatsoever in this process that

1229
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,839
led to this ruling.

1230
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:03,760
Now, I know we're not supposed to ask

1231
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,240
the respondent any questions, but at

1232
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,480
some point, I would hope councelor

1233
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,720
John's will either withdraw these

1234
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,000
remarks or at the very least state that

1235
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,160
he accepts my assurances about my

1236
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:17,839
non-involvement.

1237
01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:20,000
I have tried to conduct my campaign

1238
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,799
differently and my actions towards

1239
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:27,119
councelor John's. This is

1240
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:29,839
this has nothing to do with me. So

1241
01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:33,039
that's it for my comments. Uh Madame

1242
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:36,630
Mayor, thank you.

1243
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,520
» Thank you. Are there other speakers at

1244
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:44,630
this point?

1245
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,160
» Councelor Kthers, go ahead, please.

1246
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,960
Thank you. I too am so disappointed that

1247
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,440
we find ourselves here again. When the

1248
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,520
integrity commissioner finds in an

1249
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,599
unbiased independent investigation that

1250
01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:59,359
a counselor has breached the code of

1251
01:03:59,359 --> 01:04:02,720
conduct, it brings shame to this chamber

1252
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,359
because it undermines the public trust

1253
01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:08,319
our residents have put in us. One

1254
01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:10,319
mistake can be excused if there is a

1255
01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:12,319
genuine desire to take responsibility

1256
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:14,480
for one's actions and change behavior

1257
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,039
going forward. But sadly, that doesn't

1258
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:19,039
seem to be the case here.

1259
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:20,799
In the response from councelor John's

1260
01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:23,359
and his lawyer, I'm hearing excuses. I'm

1261
01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:26,480
hearing blaming. I'm hearing deflection.

1262
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,640
Again, this is not the first time our

1263
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:29,920
integrity commissioner has called out

1264
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,160
councelor John's behavior by using words

1265
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,960
such as misleading, inaccurate, and

1266
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,720
misinformation.

1267
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,480
Words like these were used over a dozen

1268
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,640
times in the last investigation of

1269
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,960
councelor Jones behavior and almost 20

1270
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,200
times in the ruling before us tonight.

1271
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:49,200
misleading, inaccurate, misinformation.

1272
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,799
This is now a clear and troubling

1273
01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:52,319
pattern of behavior that absolutely

1274
01:04:52,319 --> 01:04:54,799
cannot be excused. It's a pattern of

1275
01:04:54,799 --> 01:04:57,039
misleading the public. The report is

1276
01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:58,400
very clear that this is not about

1277
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,960
advocating for high school. This report

1278
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,119
and findings are about misleading the

1279
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:05,920
public when doing so. Without a

1280
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,160
demonstration of remorse for his actions

1281
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,319
or even a demonstrated understanding of

1282
01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:12,000
what his obligations are under the code

1283
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,520
of conduct, I don't see this pattern of

1284
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,760
behavior changing. Residents need to be

1285
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:16,960
aware of the findings of this

1286
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,960
investigation because there has been no

1287
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,640
evidence from councelor John's that he

1288
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,559
intends to change this behavior. A

1289
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:25,680
formal reprimand is how we do that. The

1290
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,920
public places their trust in us and that

1291
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,000
trust is broken when one counselor is

1292
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,240
found by an impartial third party to

1293
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,640
have misled the public on multiple

1294
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,119
occasions. It's a troubling pattern of

1295
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:38,960
behavior that councelor Jones did not

1296
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:47,910
appear willing to change. Thank you,

1297
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,280
» councelor. Go ahead, please.

1298
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,760
>> Thanks, Madam Mayor. I I'll be short

1299
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,839
here. Uh I I don't like making these

1300
01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:01,599
things personal. Um this is numerous

1301
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:05,280
investigations uh during this term.

1302
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,599
Uh I I can't help but wonder how many

1303
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:09,280
times

1304
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,079
that we've engaged with the integrity

1305
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:15,520
commissioner. Um we we talk about strain

1306
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,520
on funds. I think we're inventing ways

1307
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:21,520
to spend money. Um, and you know, as a

1308
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,160
kid, I was taught this, and I and I

1309
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:28,079
think this points here to

1310
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:32,160
a sober second thought before you uh

1311
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,640
open up and start to speak. Um, and and

1312
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,799
far be it for me, but I mean, again, who

1313
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:41,039
knows? Maybe it'll be me tomorrow that

1314
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:45,440
says the wrong thing. Um, but I I just

1315
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,680
think this is a terrible road that we've

1316
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:51,680
gone down. Um, and need to do a lot of

1317
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,119
thinking before you open up your mouth.

1318
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:57,109
I'll I'll leave it at that.

1319
01:06:57,119 --> 01:06:59,440
» Council Roy Demente.

1320
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:04,789
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um,

1321
01:07:04,799 --> 01:07:08,240
every single one of us at this table has

1322
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,680
an opinion, a passion,

1323
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,280
uh, a way of wanting to vote.

1324
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,119
And

1325
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:20,000
uh at the opening comments made by the

1326
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,480
respondent uh there was a suggestion

1327
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:29,280
made that somehow um that

1328
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,400
his colleagues were complacent and quiet

1329
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,520
and essentially not championing the

1330
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,760
needs of our community.

1331
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,039
And I want to say that I I deeply resent

1332
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:42,720
the suggestion that any one of us,

1333
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,119
despite our differences,

1334
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:47,839
has not championed our community, fought

1335
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:50,400
for what our residents need

1336
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,799
simply because we have not undertaken

1337
01:07:52,799 --> 01:07:55,440
the same sort of unacceptable behavior

1338
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,920
that has unfortunately become a pattern

1339
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:03,200
here at this table. And um

1340
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,480
there's a right way of advocating and

1341
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:10,240
leading and there's a wrong way. And

1342
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,280
we've now heard repeatedly that this was

1343
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,280
the wrong way of doing it and that there

1344
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,040
are good ways of doing it and there are

1345
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,920
effective ways of doing it.

1346
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:24,319
So I am um really disappointed

1347
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:27,359
um that we find ourselves as we've as my

1348
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:28,319
colleagues have said that we find

1349
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:32,080
ourselves here again. Um madame mayor I

1350
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,480
would like to uh move receipt of the

1351
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:39,359
report as well as uh that we adopt the

1352
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:40,799
recommendations of the integrity

1353
01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:42,719
commissioner as outlined in the report

1354
01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:55,269
before us today. Thank you.

1355
01:08:55,279 --> 01:09:15,829
Do I have a seconder? Please, counselor.

1356
01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:17,600
Be it resolved that the report of the

1357
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,319
integrity commissioner dated June July

1358
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:24,480
20th, 2026 entitled Town Squilbury

1359
01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:28,560
formal code of conduct complaint

1360
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,590
01

1361
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,600
0426

1362
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,239
investigation report be received and

1363
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:38,239
that the recommendations contained

1364
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:40,000
within the integrity commissioner's

1365
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,520
report be adopted. All those in f

1366
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:43,920
>> Yes,

1367
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:49,920
>> madame mayor. Uh my motion was that the recommendations be adopted.

1368
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,520
>> That's what I have on there.

1369
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,120
>> The recommendation on the screen says

1370
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,040
that the the recommendations contained

1371
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,719
be received.

1372
01:09:56,719 --> 01:09:59,440
>> I'll I'll just repeat it. That the

1373
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:01,360
recommendations contained within the

1374
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,280
integrity commissioner's report be

1375
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:12,870
adopted. Thank you.

1376
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,880
Are there any questions, comments at

1377
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:19,350
this point? Now

1378
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,560
the vote's been called.

1379
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,159
All those in favor?

1380
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:29,750
Opposed?

1381
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:48,149
It's carried. Thank you.

1382
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:50,560
We are now moving now our agenda down

1383
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,120
our agenda. Uh item G, committee

1384
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,679
recommendations. Number one, to adopt

1385
01:10:55,679 --> 01:10:57,360
the committee of the whole council

1386
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,199
recommendations from the meeting held on

1387
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:01,199
June 23rd,

1388
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:03,360
2026.

1389
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,600
But I have a mover and a seconder,

1390
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,040
please. Councelor Cone, Councelor

1391
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:10,640
Foster,

1392
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,159
all those in favor. And that's carried

1393
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:15,760
to adopt the committee of the whole

1394
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,679
council recommendations from the meeting

1395
01:11:17,679 --> 01:11:20,560
held on July 21st,

1396
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,400
2026.

1397
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:23,920
Could I have a mover, please?

1398
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,199
>> Sorry, madame mayor. I just wanted to

1399
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:28,560
flag that um uh item G2 as we're voting

1400
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,159
on now for the July 21st

1401
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:31,920
recommendations. I declare a conflict of

1402
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,760
interest on the items uh two and three

1403
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:34,880
that are contained within that.

1404
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,199
>> I apologize.

1405
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:37,840
>> Thank you.

1406
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:41,510
Madam

1407
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:42,880
» I'm just wondering if we can have them

1408
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,560
put on the screen, please. I I believe

1409
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,080
there are a couple of them that we may

1410
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:47,920
wish to to pull for some discussion.

1411
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,520
>> We can do that. It'll take a few

1412
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,280
moments, but we'll do the best that we

1413
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:59,830
can.

1414
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,000
Madame Mayor, uh per I'm not sure if it

1415
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,480
is the will of council, but perhaps if

1416
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:06,400
uh you would like to entertain

1417
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,239
considering number two and three to

1418
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:09,679
which council Johns has declared an

1419
01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:11,840
interest first and then we can uh bring

1420
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:12,960
forward the balance of the

1421
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:13,679
recommendations.

1422
01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:14,719
>> Thank you.

1423
01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:15,679
>> Yes, thank you.

1424
01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:18,000
>> Okay, just bear with us as we um

1425
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,719
populate the screen with those.

1426
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:22,880
>> Happy to move those two.

1427
01:12:22,880 --> 01:13:25,350
>> Thank you.

1428
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,040
Madame Mayor, on the screen before you

1429
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,880
is uh recommendation number two that

1430
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,960
councelor Johns had um declared an

1431
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,280
interest. Subsequent to that is number

1432
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,679
three. I believe those were moved by

1433
01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:37,679
councelor Kurthers. You do require a

1434
01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:43,910
seconder.

1435
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,159
» We need a seconder at this point. Is

1436
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:49,360
that correct?

1437
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:56,149
>> Councelor Chrome,

1438
01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:57,920
» Councelor Foster.

1439
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,840
>> Uh, thanks, Madam Mayor, and Madame

1440
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:01,440
Clerk, if you can help me with this. I

1441
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:04,960
don't know that uh I'm 100% in my right

1442
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,840
to uh to do what I want to do here, but

1443
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,159
I I just want to state that I I still

1444
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:11,840
disagree with the fact that we are

1445
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:13,360
taking

1446
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,000
um addresses off

1447
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,640
our uh intention to designate I think

1448
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,719
we're circumventing the Ontario Heritage

1449
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:24,560
Act, but specifically with uh number

1450
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,480
three

1451
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:30,239
um the removal of 1982 Young Street,

1452
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:34,320
which is the upper landing. Um I I said

1453
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,800
earlier if there's any piece of property

1454
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,560
in East Williambury that needs to go

1455
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,800
through the proper process with the

1456
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,600
Ontario Heritage Act, I believe this is

1457
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,199
the one. Um, you know, I I've got a few

1458
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:48,800
things written down here that I can I

1459
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,040
can go very quickly and I hope that

1460
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,520
there's a maybe an appetite to

1461
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:57,360
reconsider the removal of of this one.

1462
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,679
Um, you know, we're talking about a

1463
01:14:59,679 --> 01:15:01,520
piece of property that is directly

1464
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,239
associated with the War of 1812. It was

1465
01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:06,640
a part of of a network of trails used by

1466
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,400
indigenous people to travel through what

1467
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,719
is now southern Ontario.

1468
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:13,600
Um, it was at the original northern

1469
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,400
terminus of Young Street. Uh, Joe

1470
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,920
Johnson, who built the inn there, uh, is

1471
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,120
linked to the 1837 rebellion.

1472
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:24,960
This piece of property and the house on

1473
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,360
it met five of nine criteria, and we

1474
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,760
were told earlier today that anything

1475
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:34,880
over three is considered to be very, important.

1476
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,719
This is the site where indigenous people

1477
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:39,120
embarked along the East Holland River to

1478
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,360
make that trek across Lake Simco, what

1479
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:47,679
is now Lake Simco, uh, and ended up in Penitentang. Now, the property in

1480
01:15:47,679 --> 01:15:50,719
Penetang has been long recognized as a

1481
01:15:50,719 --> 01:15:53,120
historically significant property,

1482
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:54,560
although there's been nothing done at

1483
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,960
this end. And, uh, we have the province

1484
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,080
ready to uh, bulldoze the lower landing

1485
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,400
for the Bradford bypass.

1486
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,679
which I think may make this uh even a

1487
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:09,679
little bit more important.

1488
01:16:09,679 --> 01:16:12,159
I'm very surprised that since Tuesday,

1489
01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:14,800
we haven't heard from some of our

1490
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,960
harshest critics

1491
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,960
uh about this property actually being

1492
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,560
taken off. So, I'm not sure if they were

1493
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,080
on their game the way they should have

1494
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,360
been, but uh uh I think this one's very

1495
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:28,800
important. So, I will leave it at that.

1496
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,239
Hopefully, there's there's more here at

1497
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:32,159
the table that uh think along the same

1498
01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:36,400
lines as myself. Thank you.

1499
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:37,840
>> Thank you. Um,

1500
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:38,800
>> Madame Mayor,

1501
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:39,679
>> yes.

1502
01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:40,239
>> Can I just

1503
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:42,719
>> Yeah, sure.

1504
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:45,280
>> Since I move the motion, I would like to

1505
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:49,040
add to that motion 1982 Young Street if

1506
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:53,910
that's okay with the second.

1507
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,920
» Madame Mayor, I'm [clears throat] quite

1508
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:57,440
uh

1509
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:00,000
quite happy to entertain this. I had a

1510
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,800
uh a very good conversation with uh

1511
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,400
Councelor Foster the other day and he

1512
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,880
made a number of compelling arguments.

1513
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,199
Uh I I was in favor of taking it off,

1514
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:15,040
but uh Councelor Foster did did his best

1515
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:18,719
work and I uh I found the arguments uh

1516
01:17:18,719 --> 01:17:21,440
worthwhile and I'm happy to to to put it

1517
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:23,840
back on the list. I will say though that

1518
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:31,199
the the the homeowner has still has the option to appeal and and get their

1519
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:34,000
removal. And I would uh I would

1520
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,840
encourage uh history buffs in uh in East

1521
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,199
Gulenberry to to make the argument about

1522
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:44,080
why they should do this. And uh u I

1523
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,520
think I think it could be good. So let

1524
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,000
them uh let them do their work. Uh

1525
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,080
anyway, happy happy to uh to put this

1526
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:53,440
back on the list.

1527
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:58,229
>> Thank you.

1528
01:17:58,239 --> 01:17:59,840
» Go ahead, please.

1529
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:04,480
>> Uh thank you, Madam Mayor. uh as I was chairing uh this portion of our

1530
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:06,880
committee of the whole meeting, I I was

1531
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,280
somewhat subdued in my comments and and

1532
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,640
I just wanted to express that um for all

1533
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,520
of the the uh properties that were being

1534
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,840
proposed. I felt very strongly that we

1535
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:19,520
should be following the process and that

1536
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,520
we should be making those notices to to

1537
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,360
declare so that we could have those

1538
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,280
meaningful conversations with those

1539
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,920
property owners. Uh I'm really delighted

1540
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,400
to hear that u my colleagues have agreed

1541
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,640
with councelor Foster about this

1542
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,640
particular property. Um I know that uh

1543
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,960
through its real estate history uh the

1544
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,280
listings when it has changed hands have

1545
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,640
always um reflected uh the the

1546
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,400
historical and heritage importance of

1547
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:51,760
that property. And so I think it's it's really important for us to uh to

1548
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:53,520
proceed with it in this way. So, I just

1549
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,199
wanted to express my support for

1550
01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:57,520
councelor Foster's work. Thank you.

1551
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,000
>> Thank you.

1552
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,719
Are there others that wish to speak at

1553
01:19:02,719 --> 01:19:07,990
this time?

1554
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,239
I'm not I'm not seeing any.

1555
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:14,239
Madame May, just for clarity, um as you

1556
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:15,760
can see on the screen, that particular

1557
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:22,000
property has been added as item J on on the screen on the projector.

1558
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:29,030
Thank you.

1559
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,840
All those in favor

1560
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:36,880
and that's carried. Thank you very much,

1561
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,440
>> Madame Mayor. Uh we are uh still at the

1562
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:41,120
July 21st committee of the whole

1563
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,600
recommendations. These are pertaining to

1564
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,360
the balance of the recommendations to

1565
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,840
which councelor Johns does uh not have

1566
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,000
he has not declared an interest in. So

1567
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,920
what you see on the screen uh in the

1568
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,280
next couple of seconds will be the

1569
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,040
balance of the recommendations from our

1570
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,640
Tuesday's meeting.

1571
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:06,470
>> Thank you,

1572
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:08,480
» Madame Mayor. I do apologize. We're It's

1573
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:10,560
a little slow. Um our team is working

1574
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,120
diligently to move it down. Just bear

1575
01:20:13,120 --> 01:21:14,149
with us as as it moves down.

1576
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:15,520
three. Madame Mayor, we have been able

1577
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,440
to capture those on the screen. Starting

1578
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:20,000
with number one and it proceed it moves

1579
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,000
to number four as we just dealt with

1580
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:30,950
number two and three.

1581
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,199
You would require a mover and a sec

1582
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:35,120
seconder if it's the will of council to

1583
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:41,830
move and second all items.

1584
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,760
No. Um, can I just ask our production

1585
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:52,629
desk if we can scroll up? Thank you.

1586
01:21:52,639 --> 01:22:01,830
Yeah,

1587
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,440
» Madame Mayor, I'm happy to move all four

1588
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:05,840
of these.

1589
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:06,880
Thank you.

1590
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,600
>> Sorry, the one on Solar um staff were

1591
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:10,960
going to try and get the wording nailed

1592
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:12,800
down and uh I just want that's the

1593
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,719
wording that's changed that I need to to

1594
01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:16,960
see, but it scrolled too fast and too

1595
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,101
slow at the same time. Thanks.

1596
01:22:18,101 --> 01:22:41,110
[laughter]

1597
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:42,719
Madame Mayor, I'm I'm comfortable with

1598
01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:44,560
that language. I want to thank staff for

1599
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,400
putting that together and appreciate you

1600
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:50,080
catching that council ks.

1601
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:58,310
Second.

1602
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,390
» All those in favor?

1603
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,880
Opposed?

1604
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:21,270
That's carried. Thank you very much.

1605
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,120
We're on number three at this point to

1606
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:24,880
adopt the committee of the whole council

1607
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,960
recommendations from the meeting held on

1608
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:32,709
July 23rd, 2026.

1609
01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:34,719
Three, Madame Mayor, those uh are the

1610
01:23:34,719 --> 01:23:36,800
recommendations from uh this afternoon's

1611
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:38,400
committee of the whole meeting. As you

1612
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,000
can see on the screen before you, they

1613
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,719
are noted in a sequence of one, two, and

1614
01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:44,239
we will scroll down so that you can see

1615
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:52,550
the balance of them.

1616
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,880
» Uh madame clerk, if I could just uh

1617
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:56,560
address I spoke earlier at the beginning

1618
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,080
of the meeting regarding the declaration

1619
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,600
of conflict of interest and I just want

1620
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,400
to be clear. I believe that this is uh

1621
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,639
night number three is in relation to

1622
01:24:04,639 --> 01:24:06,000
what I declared at the committee of the

1623
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,320
whole. I believe

1624
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,480
And so to that end for number three, I

1625
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:12,000
won't be participating in that vote as

1626
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,110
well.

1627
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:16,960
» Perhaps Madame Mayor, if you would like

1628
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,080
to uh entertain the balance of the items

1629
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:21,440
that councilor Johnson does not have an

1630
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:23,520
interest and then we can separate out

1631
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,159
number three for a separate vote in a

1632
01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:28,000
count taking into account the conflict

1633
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:28,560
of interest.

1634
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,440
>> Then I would be starting at number

1635
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:33,679
three. Uh three madame mayor you'll be

1636
01:24:33,679 --> 01:24:35,840
starting with number one and two to

1637
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,280
which councelor John does not have an

1638
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:37,679
interest.

1639
01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:39,120
>> Thank you.

1640
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,880
Number one, be it resolved that

1641
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:42,800
development services planning branch

1642
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:47,669
report DS2026-27

1643
01:24:47,679 --> 01:24:53,830
dated July 23rd, 2006,

1644
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:57,120
20 thou 2206 entitled zoning bylaw

1645
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:01,440
amendment 1 19350

1646
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:04,639
Woodbine Avenue 19

1647
01:25:04,639 --> 01:25:06,320
350

1648
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,560
Woodbine Avenue, Inc.

1649
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,120
be received and that council approve the

1650
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:16,239
zoning bylaw amendment ZBA

1651
01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:22,000
20 62 included as an appendix to report

1652
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:26,550
DS2026-27

1653
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:30,480
to reszone the lands from rural RU to

1654
01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:33,600
environmental protection EP and

1655
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:37,520
Employment General M2-194

1656
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,719
four with a with site specific

1657
01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:43,280
permissions and the recommendations of

1658
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:47,910
the report DS2026-27

1659
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:54,080
be ratified at the July 23rd 20 and026

1660
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,560
meeting of municipal council be it

1661
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,120
resolved that the development services

1662
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:05,669
planning branch report DS2026-28

1663
01:26:05,679 --> 01:26:07,840
dated July 23rd

1664
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,360
2026 entitled zoning bylaw amendment

1665
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,880
application 20366

1666
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,400
Lesley Street Private Club.

1667
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,480
Sher Sharon Ma Masonic te temple

1668
01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:27,040
association be received and

1669
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,120
the council approve in principle subject

1670
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,639
to an approved site plan application and

1671
01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:36,159
associated agreement as well as a formal

1672
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:39,199
shared parking agreement include

1673
01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:42,480
included as appendix 4 of report

1674
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:46,550
DS2026-282

1675
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,800
reszone the lands from residential

1676
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,920
private services RPS

1677
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,639
to sightspecific residential private

1678
01:26:54,639 --> 01:26:58,790
services RPS-195

1679
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:05,199
bracket and that the implementation

1680
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:09,360
zoning bylaw be brought forward for an

1681
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,120
enactment

1682
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:14,400
uh at a future council meeting after the

1683
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,560
owner has obtained site plan approval

1684
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,199
and entered into a site plan agreement

1685
01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:21,920
with the town and that the

1686
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:26,950
recommendations of the report DS2026-27

1687
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:32,320
be ratified at the July 23rd, 2026

1688
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:39,189
meeting of municipal council.

1689
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:42,800
I need a mover and a seconder.

1690
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:49,590
>> Thank you, Councelor Foster.

1691
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:51,760
All those in favor

1692
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:56,000
and that's carried. Thank you very much.

1693
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,840
Madame Mayor, we're now proceeding to

1694
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,639
number three. Um, which is the item that

1695
01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:02,000
councelor Johns had declared an

1696
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,840
interest. So, you would require a mover

1697
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:05,679
and a seconder for this.

1698
01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:08,560
>> I have a move and a seconder, please.

1699
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:14,080
Councelor Foster. Thank you. Thank you.

1700
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:20,870
and councelor Roy declmente.

1701
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:30,070
All in favor? And that's carried.

1702
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:34,000
I'm now at item H, adoption of minutes.

1703
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,480
Uh, could I have a mover and a seconder,

1704
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:38,000
please?

1705
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:42,239
Councelor Kthers, Council Cone.

1706
01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:45,990
All those in favor?

1707
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,679
That's carried. Be it resolved that

1708
01:28:47,679 --> 01:28:49,280
council adopt the following minutes.

1709
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:50,960
Committee of the whole council minutes

1710
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,120
from the regular meeting held on June

1711
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:54,639
23rd,

1712
01:28:54,639 --> 01:28:58,880
2026. And council

1713
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,280
minutes

1714
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,280
uh from regular meeting held on June

1715
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:14,870
23rd, 2026.

1716
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,000
Thank you.

1717
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:21,440
We are now on item I, correspondence for

1718
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:24,480
consideration. There is none at this

1719
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:27,679
time. I will move to item J, reports.

1720
01:29:27,679 --> 01:29:30,000
None at this time.

1721
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:34,880
Item K, resolutions. None at this time.

1722
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,760
Item L, bylaws.

1723
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,239
I have a number here.

1724
01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:42,800
>> Madame Mayor, might might I suggest we

1725
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:47,280
uh we separate out uh bylaw uh number

1726
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,840
one, the adoption of the official plan

1727
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,560
because it is a uh fairly momentous

1728
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,719
occasion. I think we should uh also call

1729
01:29:54,719 --> 01:29:58,159
for a recorded vote.

1730
01:29:58,159 --> 01:30:00,000
>> Thank you.

1731
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,159
So, a request to remove uh number one

1732
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:09,189
bylaw. Is that correct?

1733
01:30:09,199 --> 01:30:14,470
separating it out.

1734
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:15,360
» Madame Mayor,

1735
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:16,159
>> yes.

1736
01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:18,560
>> Um, with respect to bylaw number uh

1737
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:20,719
2026-072

1738
01:30:20,719 --> 01:30:22,480
associated with the town's official

1739
01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:25,120
plan, councelor Cone has requested for a

1740
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,199
recorded vote. You would require a mover

1741
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:32,470
and a seconder.

1742
01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:34,960
» Councelor Cone.

1743
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,639
Enter.

1744
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:38,800
>> Chair. Thank you,

1745
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,040
>> Madame Mayor. Can um I'm now going to

1746
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:42,880
carry out the uh recorded vote. So,

1747
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:44,400
councelor Cone, uh you have requested

1748
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,320
for a recorded vote. How do you vote?

1749
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:47,679
>> Yes.

1750
01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:49,280
>> Thank you. Councelor Foster, how do you

1751
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:50,239
vote?

1752
01:30:50,239 --> 01:30:50,800
>> Yes.

1753
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:52,239
>> Mayor Haxton, how do you vote?

1754
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:53,040
>> Yes.

1755
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:54,480
>> Councelor Johns, how do you vote?

1756
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:55,360
>> Yes.

1757
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,280
>> Councelor Lehey is absent with notice.

1758
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:58,639
Councelor Roy de Clemente, how do you

1759
01:30:58,639 --> 01:30:58,960
vote?

1760
01:30:58,960 --> 01:30:59,600
>> Yes.

1761
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,040
>> Councelor Kathers, how do you vote?

1762
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:01,520
>> Yes.

1763
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,760
>> Madame, that motion carries unanimously.

1764
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,960
Thank you very much.

1765
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:08,800
>> Madame Mayor, can we also do the next

1766
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:10,960
one for a separate and recorded vote? So

1767
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:15,040
that's bylaw uh 2026-073

1768
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,480
uh which is uh regarding um uh the

1769
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:20,800
Greenear Village project.

1770
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,480
>> Happy to second that as well, Madame

1771
01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:23,679
Mayor.

1772
01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:27,830
>> Thank you.

1773
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,760
» Three, Madame Mayor. This item has been

1774
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:31,440
moved by councelor Ray de Clemente,

1775
01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:33,199
seconded by councelor Cone. There's been

1776
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:35,199
a request for a recorded vote. Councelor

1777
01:31:35,199 --> 01:31:36,880
Ray Demente, how do you vote?

1778
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:37,360
>> Yes.

1779
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:38,800
>> Councelor Kathers, how do you vote?

1780
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:39,199
>> Yes.

1781
01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:40,719
>> Councelor Cron, how do you vote?

1782
01:31:40,719 --> 01:31:41,120
>> Yes.

1783
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:42,719
>> Councelor Foster, how do you vote?

1784
01:31:42,719 --> 01:31:43,199
>> Yes.

1785
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:44,560
>> Mayor Haxin, how do you vote?

1786
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:44,880
>> Yes.

1787
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:46,320
>> Councelor Johns, how do you vote?

1788
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:46,960
>> Yes.

1789
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:48,800
>> And to for the record, Councelor Ley is

1790
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:50,800
absent with notice.

1791
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:52,080
>> Madame Mayor, that motion carries

1792
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:53,120
unanimously.

1793
01:31:53,120 --> 01:32:07,270
>> Thank you very much.

1794
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,280
Madam Mayor, might I suggest we bundle

1795
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:12,239
the remaining bylaws into one?

1796
01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:13,520
>> Happy to move that.

1797
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:20,043
>> And I'll second it. No. Thank you.

1798
01:32:20,053 --> 01:32:25,110
[laughter]

1799
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,440
» All in favor?

1800
01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:31,750
And that's carried.

1801
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,159
We're at item M, other business. There's

1802
01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:35,440
none at this time.

1803
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:37,679
>> Madame Mayor, given that uh given that

1804
01:32:37,679 --> 01:32:40,560
there is other business um on the agenda

1805
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:42,800
and given that the procedural bylaw does

1806
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:46,080
allow for um for council, if they do

1807
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,360
wish to entertain uh a motion, I I've

1808
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,440
prepared a simple motion uh given

1809
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:53,600
tonight's meeting uh for the council to

1810
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:55,120
simply endorse the need for a high

1811
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,520
school in East Wenbury. And so if uh

1812
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,760
procedurally I would like to move it, if

1813
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:03,520
somebody wishes to second it um uh that

1814
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,840
would be appreciated so that we can we

1815
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:07,760
can fully endorse a high school the need

1816
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:11,669
for a high school with any school.

1817
01:33:11,679 --> 01:33:16,159
» Do we have anyone who is

1818
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:18,719
interested at this point about a high

1819
01:33:18,719 --> 01:33:21,520
scale school?

1820
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:28,629
I'm not seeing anyone at this point.

1821
01:33:28,639 --> 01:33:31,280
Madame Mayor, we would need a motion to

1822
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,080
discuss this um by all of council in

1823
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,000
order to put it on the table. We don't

1824
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,440
have the motion. We have not seen the

1825
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:38,639
motion. We've not had any time to

1826
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:40,960
prepare for this motion. We've not been

1827
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:42,560
able to talk to staff. We do not have

1828
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:43,920
another meeting coming up until

1829
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:45,679
September. So, I think trying to put

1830
01:33:45,679 --> 01:33:48,560
this shoehorn this in at the last minute

1831
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,320
when it's very clear that everyone at

1832
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:52,400
this table has said repeatedly that we

1833
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:54,159
want a high school. But I don't think

1834
01:33:54,159 --> 01:33:56,560
that this type of uh lastm minute trying

1835
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,800
to throw something on the agenda um is

1836
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:00,000
going to make any difference to us

1837
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,159
getting a high school. Uh so I I'm not

1838
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:03,440
prepared to entertain at this time

1839
01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:05,600
because I would want to have time to

1840
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:06,480
think about and make sure that

1841
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:08,400
everything is included in that motion

1842
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,480
etc. So I will not be uh voting to

1843
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:11,840
entertain this.

1844
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:18,550
>> Thank you. Other comments?

1845
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,800
» I have Mayor. May I move to the uh

1846
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,480
adoption of the confirming bylaw,

1847
01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:28,229
please?

1848
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:32,719
» That would be uh item M under other

1849
01:34:32,719 --> 01:34:34,719
business.

1850
01:34:34,719 --> 01:34:37,440
>> Madame Mayor, no, it's just

1851
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:38,400
letter N.

1852
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:39,679
>> N I missed it by one.

1853
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:41,440
>> Confirming bylaw. I moved it. I don't

1854
01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:42,719
know if you need a seconder, but I'm

1855
01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:43,760
pretty sure you do.

1856
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,719
>> I have a seconder confirming bylaw. Be

1857
01:34:46,719 --> 01:34:50,320
it resolved that the bylaw 2026

1858
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,800
79 being the bylaw to confirm the

1859
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:54,800
proceedings of the council meeting held

1860
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:57,440
on July 23rd,

1861
01:34:57,440 --> 01:35:00,639
2026 be taken as read and acted and

1862
01:35:00,639 --> 01:35:04,639
signed by the mayor and municipal clerk.

1863
01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:07,040
All in favor?

1864
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:10,400
That's carried. Thank you very much. Uh,

1865
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:13,520
and we have an adjournment in front of

1866
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:16,639
us at this point this evening. Uh, could

1867
01:35:16,639 --> 01:35:19,840
I have a mover and a seconder? Councelor

1868
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,880
Kthers. Council

1869
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:26,719
>> Councelor Johns.

1870
01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:28,239
Be it resolve that the meeting of

1871
01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:33,120
council adjourn at 7:26 p.m. All those

1872
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in favor?

1873
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,440
And that's carried. Thank you very much.

1874
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:40,960
Thank you for all your support and um

1875
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feedback. back.