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All right, welcome everyone. Um, we'll

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Okay, so yeah, it's 7 o'clock. Um, good

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evening and thanks for joining us for

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the community information meeting. Uh my

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name is Nathan Seammens and I'm in the

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communications department at the RDUK.

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Um before I hand it over to Director

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Clochuk, I'd like to just give a quick

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rundown on what to expect this evening.

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recorded, so got that out of the way

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right away. And we will be posted on the

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engage page at engage.rdek.bc.ca/debris.

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And we'll get that up within the next

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day, maybe two. Um once the recording

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recorded meeting is posted, we will send

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you're not signed up for the community

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emails, uh you can do that by visiting

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rdk.bc.ca

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clarity, we'll be using Zoom's Q&A tool

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» Great. Thank you, Nathan, and thanks for

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all your work uh on tonight's meeting.

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imagine if you looked at the engage page

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and saw the reports. Um, we're start

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manager and then uh Carara Xanberen our

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hazard risk and uh Christina.

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» Uh great. Thank you, Director Club. Uh

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potential for debris flows, but our risk

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chance. Uh that's roughly the same odds

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comparable to the chance of your airline

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losing your luggage at least once in

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information into action. Uh the

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evacuations, coordinates emergency

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response, manages debris removal in

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coordination with our flood response

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team, and navigates provincial funding

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programs to support recovery. When the

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resources, and staging areas so we can

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debris flows and demonstrating due

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environment. Uh but to reduce risk by

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understanding where those hazards are

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of awareness and preparation makes a

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the community of Fairmont, construction

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of the Cold Spring Creek debris flow

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mitigation structure was completed this

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incorporates the basin and barrier. This

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residual mapping shows how the

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structures mitigated risk in the

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community and where the risk is still

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slightly elevated. So, the structure

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cubic meters of debris flow material.

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volumes. These were determinate

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determined in the 2020 hazard assessment

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other creek in the community with debris

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flow concerns is Fairmont Creek.

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debris flow event in 2012. As part of

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the reaction to this event, the RDK had

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for the creek. And this assess this

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assessment which was completed in 2013

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design of the mitigation works that have

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since the creek has been very active and

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some mitigation has been constructed, it

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was prudent to update the report. So

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this updated report incorporates the

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mitigation on the creek. It includes

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data from the multiple debris flow

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events that have occurred since the last

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techniques and changes to how climate

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debris flows. So we see both of these

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Fairmont and they are related but there

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are some important differences.

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So a debris flood occurs when we have

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large volumes of flow in the creek or

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river and gravel, cobbles and boulders

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are picked up and entrained in the flow.

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It behaves more like water and it can

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still move really large volumes of

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debris, but there's generally lower peak

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discharges than debris flows. So we're

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getting um so the impacts are not quite

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as quite as um powerful.

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With debris flows, we have higher

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sediment concentrations than in debris

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floods. It behaves more like a wet

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concrete and it's typically faster.

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They're typically faster than debris

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floods and they have higher peak

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discharges and impact forces. Typically,

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they are more dangerous.

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Next slide, please.

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So now we'll move into one of the key

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outputs of the report which is the

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frequency magnitude values. So frequency

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of course is how often the event is

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likely to occur and the uh the volume is

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obviously the estimated size. So on cold

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on Fairmont Creek

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similar to Cold Spring Creek up until

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about the 100year return period event

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the event is likely to be a debris

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flood.

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So in the 10 to 20 year return period we

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can expect a volume of about 9,000 cubes

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and 30 to 100 year about 28,000.

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So [cough and clears throat]

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from about the 100year period onwards

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the events likely to be debris flow with

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significantly higher volumes.

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And you can see with the some of the

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numbers here the peak discharges for the

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debris flood are significant

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significantly lower [clears throat] than

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they are for debris flows. same as they

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are with the volumes. So to show how

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some of um our like more recent events

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fit into this table in 2020 the volume

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of debris that was mobilized from above

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the weers in Fairmont Creek was about

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20,000 cubic meters.

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So at that time the return period

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estimated by NHC who was our consultant

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that looked at looked at the creek right

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after the event they estimated the

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period was about 35 years. So, this

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doesn't fit exactly into the table, but

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pretty closely fits into our 30 to

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100year return period for debris floods.

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The 2012 event had an estimated volume

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of about 65,000 cubic meters. So, this

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was estimated by Clark in 2013.

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Um, at the time they felt that that was

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a period of maybe roughly 475

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year return period. But after the 2020

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event occurred, NHC updated this return

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period to be an estimated 165 years. So

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this again it doesn't fit exactly into

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what we have here, but relatively

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closely into the 100 to to 300year

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return period event. And this change in

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the estimated return period is due to

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the additional information from the more

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recent event.

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Next slide, please.

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So the mapping that we're going to look

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at next shows hazard zones that are

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based on the hazard which is determined

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from topography data interpretation

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modeling and then the risk index which

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is calculated using um a risk equation.

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So risk again is the probability of the

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hazard occurring and then the

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consequences of it occurring.

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So just to give a bit of background on

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risk, the risk equation considers the

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hazard probability which is of course

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the annual probability that the event

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will occur and then it considers spatial

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probability which means so in if an

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event of a certain magnitude occurs

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what's the likelihood of a certain

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location being impacted by it. It

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considers the temporal probability. So

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that means what's the likelihood of a

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person being in that location when the

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event occurs.

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It considers exposure. So exposure is

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the number of people or the value of the

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elements at risk in that location. And

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then the vulnerability. So that is the

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likelihood of a fatality

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should that person be impacted at that

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location. So this equation gives us our

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individual risk and that is that that is

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the PDI that you see on the table and

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that stands for the probability of death

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of an individual.

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We also considered in the report the

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group risk. So that's the estimated

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number of fatalities should a certain

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hazard occur and we looked at economic

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risk.

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So the hazard zones shown in this table

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align with risk tolerance criteria that

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other municipalities are using um such

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as Canmore, North Vancouver, Squamish

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and this risk is generally considered to

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be unacceptable

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um in a community if the risk of death

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of an individual is greater than 1 to

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10,000. So this corresponds to the high

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and very high zones.

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Next next page please.

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So,

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this is one of the uh one of the key

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outputs of the assessment and it's it's

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a really great visual. So, I'll just I

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thought I would have this one up while I

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talked about some of the hazard zones.

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So, when you're looking at this map, the

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yellow zone is the is a low hazard zone.

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So, in the yellow zone, we're look the

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risk index is less than 1 to 100,000.

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So that is roughly equivalent to your

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risk of drowning in a bathtub.

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The moderate zone, and this is the

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orange zone, is in the 1 to 10,000

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to 1 to 100,000 range. And that's

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comparable to your risk of um dying

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[clears throat] from gun violence in the

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US or from general anesthesia in an

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operation.

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Now the high zone, this is the red zone.

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Um that is the 1 to 10,000 to 1 to 1,000

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risk of risk of death and that is

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comparable to CO 19 in 2020 or a car

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accident.

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and then the very high zone and that is

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greater than 1 to 1,000

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that is comparable to dying the 40th

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year of life in the USA from any cause.

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So the shape this map is much more

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detailed than we've seen in the past

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from from our last our last assessment

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but the shape of it is not remarkably

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different.

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There are however a number of properties

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uh remaining that are still in the high

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and very high hazard zones.

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Next slide please.

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So the final part of this report was to

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identify some potential options to be

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considered for future debris flow

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mitigation and to estimate the costs. So

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several factors were considered in the

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development of the options and some of

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these included the degree of risk

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reduction that could be achieved um risk

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transfer. So that would be um

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you know assuming we can mitigate the

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risk at one location but the cost of

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that was that a downstream location

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would see higher risk. Um the location

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of a potential

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potential mitigation uh the land

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ownership at that location future

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maintenance costs capital costs public

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impacts and the possibility of phasing.

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So at this point we have five options

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identified. They're not all standalone

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options. They mitigate in different

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ways. So it may make sense to combine

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two or more of these options as we look

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further into it. So very briefly, option

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number one would be a large debris

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barrier and basin, not unlike what we

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have on Cold Spring. Um and I know my

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map is is a little small up here, but

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that would be the number one option and

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it's right at the very top of the map.

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So that could potentially contain on the

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order of 60,000 cubic meters. So it does

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come close to mitigating um a good

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portion of the risk.

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It does come at a very high cost. And

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these costs are order of magnitude. They

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are very very rough, but they do give us

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an idea of what we could um be looking

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at when we're just thinking of what way

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we might want to go when we're thinking

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about options.

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Option number two is down, excuse me, is

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down on the golf course and that is a

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parallel parallel Burman basin. Um, that

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would contain less. It also costs a lot

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less. Um,

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there are different challenges with it.

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Um,

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it's all in private land. Um, it's right

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in the middle of community. It's

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definitely none of these options are

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ideal, but that it it does remain a

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viable option that we'd like to, you

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know, look at a little bit more.

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Um,

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the third option is downstream. So, that

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is

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on the lower part of the map. That's the

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number three and that's where the creek

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flows through the community downstream

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of the golf course pond.

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Um

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we're cons we're at in this location

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channel improvements are being

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considered. Uh it is a very small creek

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channel at the time. Um this would

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include looking at the culverts and the

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various ways it flows through the

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community. Um could include BMS, it

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could include armoring. The cost

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estimate is very broad um because

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[clears throat] there are so many

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different ways we could go with this

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option.

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Option number four, this is a smaller,

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more localized

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um

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potential mitigation. So [clears throat]

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that is towards the upper part of the

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map or and that is the the road crossing

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just downstream of where our wheels are

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located um where the road goes into the

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campground.

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And

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armoring this would um greatly

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greatly reduce the chance of that road

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being washed out in a large event. And

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that's important for emergency access,

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for ingress, egress, etc. The final

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option, number five, it's right in the

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middle of our map. So that would be an

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armored burm, and that's right in front

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of the Marble Canyon town homes. Um,

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they're extremely vulnerable. Be as

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close as they are to the creek. uh

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building up a larger BM would not only

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protect those homes, but it would keep

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um it would keep the flow in the channel

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at that location and uh easier to

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control downstream.

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Next slide, please.

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So, this report was just a first step in

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moving towards a potential future

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project on Fairmont Creek if that ends

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up happening. Um the next step will be

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to complete a detailed options analysis

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for all of these options that we've

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discussed and considered. And this

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options analysis would include more

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detailed analysis of the costs,

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feasibility, risks, and community needs

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and wants. And a really critical

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component of this next step will be

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engagement with all stakeholders

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including community members, businesses,

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first nations, and other levels of

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government.

551
00:23:02,159 --> 00:23:07,200
We'll be seeking funding opportunities

552
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:09,600
for this next step and moving beyond

553
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,520
that next step, should that be the

554
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,559
decision that we go with, um we'll be

555
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,799
looking at additional funding

556
00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:16,240
opportunities for potential future

557
00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:19,039
construction projects that come out of

558
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:24,280
this options analysis.

559
00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:24,280
Thank you. And moving on to Karen.

560
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:31,600
Thank you, Cara. So I'm going to speak

561
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,840
to a bit about the planning side of

562
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,960
things and about the guidance report

563
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:39,039
that we had done by BGC Engineering and

564
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:42,320
Pina Sustainability.

565
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:44,880
So right now um we have an official

566
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:48,480
community plan for Fairmont Hot Springs

567
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:52,799
and Colombia Lake area and that OCP was

568
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:55,760
done around the time of the 2013 event.

569
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:58,640
Um and right now the policies and the

570
00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,400
direction with respect to hazards are

571
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,200
quite generic and they're not very

572
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:08,159
specific. Um how we've been dealing

573
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:10,240
largely um with um the debris risk or an

574
00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:12,240
assessments have been on a sightspecific

575
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:15,520
basis through the building permit

576
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:17,840
process. So at this point um based on

577
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:20,320
the the previous mapping for both the

578
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,799
creeks uh the building inspector has

579
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,520
been doing an independent assessment at

580
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:28,799
each building permit stage to determine

581
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:31,600
what level of reporting or what type of

582
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:34,480
qualified professional report might be

583
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:37,039
required in order to consider if there

584
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:40,000
should be sightsp specific engineering

585
00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:42,240
considerations um to ensure that

586
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,360
whatever is being built would be a safe

587
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,080
built.

588
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:49,919
So what the guidance report was intended

589
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:52,720
to do is to provide information and to

590
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:54,880
be proactively thinking ahead in terms

591
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,440
of how we can move away from our current

592
00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:00,000
model which is reliant on a specific

593
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,640
section section 56 of the community

594
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,840
charter uh to ensure that property

595
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:08,000
owners are informed about the risks um

596
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:11,279
relative to building on their property

597
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:14,480
and ensure that this uh building that is

598
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:17,760
being built is safe for the intended use

599
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:20,400
of occupancy. Uh to be moving forward to

600
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:23,600
having an official community plan that

601
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:26,080
includes relevant current policies with

602
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,080
respect to land use policies. Uh so

603
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,480
that's going to be land use conservation

604
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,440
or change if people are looking to

605
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,880
change the use of planning.

606
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,960
whether or not there should be changes

607
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,960
to our zoning bylaw, whether there

608
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,600
should be changes that are reflective of

609
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,640
the outcomes of these two reports to our

610
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,400
flood plane management bylaw. And most

611
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,799
importantly, that there would be

612
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,200
opportunities to proactively have

613
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:53,600
information for property owners and the

614
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,840
regional district so that everyone has

615
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:59,120
an understanding of how these reports

616
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:01,520
that have been prepared relate to um

617
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:04,880
individual properties and how they can

618
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:07,200
safely be used and built. So what the

619
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,919
intent of the guidance report were were

620
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,760
three-fold. It was to have a chance to

621
00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:14,320
review the hazard mapping for both

622
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,960
creeks. um with that reporting that was

623
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:20,159
just completed this fall and has just

624
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:22,559
been presented by Carara. Um it has a

625
00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:24,640
framework analysis and this is options

626
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:28,880
on how to consider the updated hazard

627
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:31,600
mapping for both creeks. So um there

628
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:34,400
report looks at different frameworks. Um

629
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:37,120
Cara spoke to that um when she had the

630
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:40,640
table that discussed the probabilities

631
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:43,360
um and that's how the zones relate to um

632
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:46,000
what the level of risk is and so the

633
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:47,679
framework looks at the three options um

634
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,440
that were available for the regional

635
00:26:47,679 --> 00:26:52,320
district to consider as we move forward

636
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,480
and makes a recommendation.

637
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,039
So there are four interimm policy

638
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,120
recommendations that were made by BGC

639
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,880
Engineering and Penis Sustainability and

640
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:05,400
I'll just walk through each of those

641
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,400
four at a very high level.

642
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:13,919
The first is a recommendation that there

643
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,559
needs to be official community plan

644
00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:19,600
amendments. So, as you can see in the

645
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:21,279
little snip from schedule I of the

646
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,760
current official community plan that

647
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:26,880
I've included on this slide, when the

648
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,679
mapping for the hazard um was done with

649
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:32,480
this OCP, when it was originally done,

650
00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:34,799
it very generically just identified that

651
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,559
there was a hazard. So, it's not

652
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:39,520
specific in terms of whether it's a

653
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:42,240
debris flood, it's a debris flow, um

654
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:45,520
what type of hazard it is, and it isn't

655
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:48,080
generally really reflective of the scope

656
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,919
or scale that's reflected by the fact

657
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,640
that there's different zones or

658
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:55,520
intensity of risk related to the

659
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:58,480
hazards. Um the way that the mapping is

660
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:02,000
done is it basically just follows the

661
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:05,360
general uh creek barriers or the creek

662
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:08,320
dispersal areas. um or the broader river

663
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:10,640
Columbia River flood plane. Uh so we

664
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,960
would be looking at having new mapping

665
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,120
that aligns with the new data that came

666
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:18,399
out of both the reports for both Cold

667
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:20,559
Spring Creek and for Fairmont Creek. We

668
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:23,520
would also be looking to integrate

669
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:25,520
amendments that would recognize the

670
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,159
other recommendations that are being

671
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,080
made um within this report. So that

672
00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:32,080
would reflect integrating the risk

673
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,919
tolerance policy that would be

674
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:37,880
considered the hazard zones and

675
00:28:33,919 --> 00:28:37,880
development approval policies.

676
00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:43,520
So that takes us to recommendation

677
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:47,440
number two which is that the RDK should

678
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:51,200
adopt a formal risk tolerance policy. Uh

679
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:53,360
so this is as Cara discussed is a

680
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:57,279
relatively standard procedure for many

681
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:59,919
municipalities um in BC and Alberta. And

682
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:02,559
so these are being done by communities

683
00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:05,600
that have experienced events similar to

684
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:08,640
the regional district and it creates a

685
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:11,120
baseline um that provides direction in

686
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:14,480
terms of where new development should be

687
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:19,600
supported um based on those ratings and

688
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:22,640
where um renovation or changes to

689
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:26,240
existing development um is acceptable

690
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:28,159
levels of risk. Uh so the report

691
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:32,159
identifies that it can either be a

692
00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:35,760
standalone policy or it can be OCP

693
00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:37,600
specific. So at this time um we would

694
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,159
think that it would be something that we

695
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:43,120
would look to have their RDK adopt on an

696
00:29:40,159 --> 00:29:46,640
RDK-wide basis. Um but we'll see how

697
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:49,200
that works. So it would include a risk

698
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:52,080
tolerance criteria or risk index. So

699
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:54,960
that would be um reflective of the two

700
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:58,559
tables that Cara showed um that have it

701
00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:00,159
ranked based on the hazard zones. So the

702
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:02,720
recommendation that came out of this

703
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:04,720
report was that a combined hazard risk

704
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:08,559
framework be applied for the regional

705
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:11,360
district and this echoes a decision of

706
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:13,120
the board made earlier in the year where

707
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,600
they considered some preliminary

708
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,760
information and provided some direction

709
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:21,799
to staff and the consultant in their

710
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,799
preparation of the report.

711
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:29,600
Recommendation number three is that

712
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,919
development permit areas that recognize

713
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,760
the debris flow hazard should be

714
00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:36,080
integrated into the official community

715
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,640
plan. The official community plan

716
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,360
currently does not have a hazard

717
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:44,640
development permit area. What a hazard

718
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:48,000
development permit area allows is the

719
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,720
segmentation of the parcels um within

720
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,559
the hazard zones to be identified to

721
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,799
have different guidelines that are

722
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:57,679
required. So again, this very much

723
00:30:54,799 --> 00:31:00,080
becomes a public education piece in

724
00:30:57,679 --> 00:31:03,039
terms of that people can understand

725
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,120
based on their hazard zones and the

726
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:07,840
corresponding guidelines within the

727
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:11,279
development permit area. They can

728
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:14,159
understand what they can or could not do

729
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:17,279
based on having a qualified expert

730
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:20,799
opinion if required that what they can

731
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:24,159
do to ensure that the there is safe

732
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:27,200
build on their property.

733
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:30,159
Uh so one of the key things that the

734
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,080
report did identify though is that

735
00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:35,279
structural mitigation at the community

736
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:37,519
level which might be that much more

737
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:39,760
expensive or higher level of mitigation

738
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,760
that Cara identified shouldn't be

739
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,559
considered to facilitate or enable

740
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:47,600
higher level densities. So that means

741
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:50,720
that um that should all be taken into

742
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:53,120
consideration um when we're identifying

743
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,679
the guidelines um that would go into the

744
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:58,000
development permit areas um should a

745
00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:59,360
development permit uh process be

746
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,720
implemented within the official

747
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,960
community plan.

748
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,200
The last recommendation of the report

749
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,519
was that there should be specific

750
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,080
development policies integrated into the

751
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:14,480
official community plan. So this really

752
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,960
relates to the fact that people need to

753
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:20,399
understand what the different four

754
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,960
hazard zones means and

755
00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:26,320
how that should apply on a parcel

756
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,880
specific basis. So this would also

757
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,880
include identification of when sight

758
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:34,320
specific risk assessments would be

759
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:37,039
required and it should be aligned with

760
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:39,360
the adopted risk tolerance policy that

761
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:41,039
would be this is an action that would

762
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,440
have to be completed by the regional

763
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:46,000
district and be adopted by the regional

764
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:49,360
district board and it would provide

765
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:52,320
clarity with respect to future land uses

766
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:55,679
based on the identified hazard zone. Um

767
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:59,519
so based on the risk and hazard the very

768
00:32:55,679 --> 00:33:02,399
high hazard um residual hazard zones for

769
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:04,880
example are would not be generally

770
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:08,960
anticipated to be supported for

771
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:11,440
residential development or types of uses

772
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,919
that would include structures. So they

773
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,880
may be more suited to passive recreation

774
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:19,840
or park use. Uh so those are the types

775
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,600
of policies that we would anticipate

776
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,720
would be integrated into official

777
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:27,120
community plan and the guidance report

778
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,720
provides um some very high level

779
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:33,840
information um with respect to that and

780
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:37,760
as the implementation

781
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:39,760
of the guidance report and consideration

782
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,799
of the two reports prepared for the

783
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,720
engineering department unfold. um the

784
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:46,480
the specifics of that would be something

785
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,279
that would be looked at and that there

786
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,919
would be community consultation.

787
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:54,240
So more specifically

788
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:56,799
the implementation of the interimm

789
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,919
policy recommendations are going to

790
00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:02,240
require the dedication of RDK staff

791
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:05,120
resources and we anticipate this would

792
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,399
be across multiple departments. So,

793
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:11,280
similar to how uh we have four

794
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:13,679
departments represented here tonight, um

795
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,119
we anticipate to see this through um

796
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:17,679
we're going to be needing to work

797
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:20,879
together uh to ensure that the various

798
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:23,280
expertise, knowledge and all those

799
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:26,399
pieces can come together um to ensure

800
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:29,040
that we can be successful moving ahead.

801
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:31,280
Um one of the key things that we want to

802
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,119
move forward with first is board

803
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,240
consideration of the risk tolerance

804
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:38,720
policy. um because this is a keystone um

805
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:41,200
for moving forward with what the other

806
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:45,040
parts of the puzzle look like with

807
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:47,119
respect to whether we have specific OCP

808
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,599
policies, what framework we're working

809
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:52,399
forward and all those different pieces.

810
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:55,879
um we we feel like that's the one piece

811
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:55,879
we need first

812
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,200
and then most importantly uh one of the

813
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,280
key things about implementation is going

814
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,680
to be that there will be community

815
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,560
consultation and engagement. Uh so

816
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:11,280
similar to as Cara just spoke to, there

817
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,520
are a range of stakeholders um that the

818
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:17,839
regional district will need to and will

819
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:20,960
want to engage as we move forward um in

820
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:22,960
with respect to ensuring that um members

821
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:27,119
of the community have the information

822
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:29,440
that they need um in order to be able to

823
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:32,640
contribute to the processes that we're

824
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:38,560
going to be engaging.

825
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:41,440
So just a quick summary of the next

826
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,920
steps recognizing that we have three

827
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:47,040
different reports um and we've had three

828
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:50,240
different speakers um just I'll give a a

829
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:52,000
really quick summary here and so the

830
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:55,359
next steps for each of the different

831
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,520
pieces uh for Cold Spring Creek um

832
00:35:55,359 --> 00:36:00,720
really the project has wrapped up with

833
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,960
the construction um now being completed.

834
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:05,200
So, one of the key items is discussion

835
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:08,160
with the province on ongoing funding

836
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:11,359
support for the debris removal for

837
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,680
Fairmont Creek. As Cara identified, um

838
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:17,119
there needs to be mitigation option

839
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:19,119
analysis and stakeholder engagement

840
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:21,920
and very importantly there needs to be

841
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:24,720
investigation of funding sources for

842
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:27,680
that both that options analysis and for

843
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:32,000
potential future construction. um none

844
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:34,480
of the proposals or for the potential

845
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:39,200
mitigation options um were something

846
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:41,920
that are um low dollar u value. And for

847
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,000
the guidance report as I just mentioned

848
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,480
um the first thing that we would like to

849
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,680
embark on um is the development and

850
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:52,240
adoption of an RDKwide risk tolerance

851
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,160
policy as this will set the groundwork

852
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:58,320
for us to be able to move forward with

853
00:36:54,160 --> 00:37:01,839
the other pieces and the other updates.

854
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:06,240
So, we are all here and recognize that

855
00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:09,359
it's a lot of information and that um

856
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:13,440
you may not have questions specifically

857
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:15,760
um but we are here um to answer them um

858
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,720
and we have kind of we have expertise

859
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,760
for the three different areas and so

860
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:24,880
that if you wanted to take advantage of

861
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:28,480
um having us here today um you can input

862
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:30,160
the question into the Q&A Okay.

863
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,560
So, Nathan.

864
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,400
» Yeah. Thanks, Karen. Um, I will start

865
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,520
with reading the questions that we did

866
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,800
receive on the engage page. Um, and then

867
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,119
after we've gone through those, then

868
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,119
we'll move on to the Q&A questions that

869
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:45,920
have been asked during this meeting or

870
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:48,640
this webinar here. Okay. Um, so sorry.

871
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:52,079
Um, the first question on the engage

872
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:54,880
page is on the Fair on the Fairmont

873
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:57,040
Creek map, the high zone reaches the

874
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,040
Columbia River. Has there been any

875
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:04,119
modeling to determine the risks or

876
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:04,119
potential impact up and or downstream?

877
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:14,800
» Uh

878
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:18,320
Beatus, could you answer that one?

879
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:21,599
» Yeah, absolutely. Uh yeah, so we didn't

880
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,920
specifically look at um the impacts to

881
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:27,200
the Columbia River in this scope of

882
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:29,760
work, but uh if we kind of look at the

883
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:32,640
2012 event, we know that sediment could

884
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,800
reach the river similar to that event.

885
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:38,079
uh and a separate study would need to be

886
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:40,720
done to look at the capacity um for the

887
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:43,359
Columbia River to take away the sediment

888
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:45,520
um in 2012, which is kind of as Cara

889
00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:48,800
said, similar to what we'd expect in a

890
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:52,320
100 to 300year event. Uh it didn't block

891
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:55,359
the river. Um and I believe the sediment

892
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:58,480
was mostly carried away naturally. Um,

893
00:38:55,359 --> 00:39:01,040
so that's kind of gives you a scale uh

894
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,119
an idea of what could happen in the

895
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,599
future. But with a larger event, we

896
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:08,560
would probably expect more sediment to

897
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:12,359
reach the river, but we did not study it

898
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,359
quantitatively. No.

899
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,160
» Great. Um, I will move on to the next

900
00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:20,240
question from the engage page. Uh, how

901
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,880
can the community members communicate to

902
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:26,760
the RDK that we do not want to pay for

903
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,760
any further exper

904
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,480
mitigation?

905
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:45,440
Um, I'll take that. there, as we've um

906
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,079
as we've noted a couple times in this

907
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:51,839
presentation, um there will definitely

908
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:54,079
be opportunities for future engagement

909
00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:56,320
with the community and you'll have the

910
00:39:54,079 --> 00:40:00,520
opportunity opportunity to uh let us

911
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,520
know how you feel at that time.

912
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,320
Okay. Um and then the next question from

913
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,160
the engage page. If the Fairmont

914
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,880
guidance report is to guide future

915
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,320
development, why are the developers not

916
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,880
paying for these studies and flood

917
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,880
mitigation projects?

918
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:29,680
Uh I'll speak a little bit to the who

919
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:33,359
paid for the project. Um the guidance

920
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:37,920
report um was funded I think it was

921
00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:41,119
about 93% by UBCM which is the union of

922
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,760
BC municipalities grant program um and

923
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:46,400
the remaining 7% was paid for through

924
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:49,760
the planning function which means it was

925
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,920
not specific to the service area paying

926
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,560
for that remaining funds that were

927
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:57,839
required to be um inind type

928
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,520
contributions. um they were p paid for

929
00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:01,920
actually through the entire planning

930
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,000
function which is uh funded both through

931
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:07,599
the municipalities and all of the

932
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:10,960
taxpayers within the electoral areas. Um

933
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:13,839
so that was for that report and then the

934
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:17,359
um some of funding as well came through

935
00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:19,359
that UBCM funding program

936
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:22,800
and then I'm not sure if Cara wanted to

937
00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:25,599
speak to the other piece.

938
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:29,200
» Yeah, I can do that. Um I guess the the

939
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:31,599
short answer really is that

940
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,480
the reason

941
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:37,920
the reason that we did any mitigation is

942
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:40,000
for the existing community. Um

943
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,880
if there wasn't a community there, if it

944
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:45,040
was only if it was only for future

945
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:49,079
development,

946
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,079
the project would not have happened.

947
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:54,960
Um, and I guess I'll I'll add a little

948
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,839
bit to that. There are places in the

949
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,560
province where barriers are being built

950
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:02,640
um, much larger than this. And in those

951
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,640
cases, they are being paid for by the

952
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,640
developer.

953
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,400
Okay. Um, so the next question is, will

954
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:19,839
any future mitigation projects be voted

955
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,839
on by the community?

956
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:37,200
do I can take this one if if you want.

957
00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:39,280
Um I I think in this uh at this point as

958
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,880
we move forward in through the process

959
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:45,599
we're not at that stage. uh what's

960
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,680
determined in the next steps. There will

961
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:50,240
be public consultation

962
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,920
and that would be certainly would be the

963
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:54,079
intention to get the feedback from the

964
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:57,119
community to discuss what the options

965
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:58,720
are. Um and that that's how we'll that's

966
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:01,720
how what our intention is to move

967
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:01,720
forward.

968
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:13,440
Okay. Um, sorry, juggling a couple

969
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:16,400
screens here at the moment. Um, so the

970
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,160
next comment from the engage page, um,

971
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,079
thank you for your efforts to support

972
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,880
hazard and risk mitigation on Cold

973
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:25,040
Spring and Fairmont Creek. The Fairmont

974
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,359
Creek footpath from the mountainside

975
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:30,400
golf course to the Fairmont Hotring

976
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:33,359
Lodge area has remained closed since the

977
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,040
landslide in 2012. Despite the trail

978
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:37,520
closure, many people still use the trail

979
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,440
to access the waterfall. Along the foot

980
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,079
path below the Fairmont Hot Springs

981
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,400
pools, there is an exposed black pipe

982
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:46,880
along the creek bed. There's also a

983
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,599
broken white pipe. These pipes have been

984
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,359
exposed since the landslide in 2012.

985
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:53,200
Over the past year, there have been

986
00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:54,960
concerns from the community regarding

987
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,119
the state of the potable water

988
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,280
infrastructure.

989
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:01,359
Please advise the purpose of these pipes

990
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,359
and the status of the trail restoration

991
00:44:01,359 --> 00:44:04,359
efforts.

992
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,359
Yeah, I can take that. Um, so these

993
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:13,440
pipes

994
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:15,920
are Fman Hot Springs infrastructure and

995
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,640
they are for irrigation,

996
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:22,000
not for potable water.

997
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:26,240
As far as restoring the trail, that is

998
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:29,119
all private land um owned by the resort.

999
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:30,480
And it wouldn't be because it's not

1000
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,720
really a flood, it's not a flood

1001
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:37,400
mitigation type project. um that would

1002
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:37,400
fall on the resort to uh repair.

1003
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:44,240
» All right. Um if the debris flow were to

1004
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,839
cross and block the highway, would that

1005
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:49,839
not be a provincial or federal

1006
00:44:45,839 --> 00:44:54,200
jurisdiction? Why then is our LSA the

1007
00:44:49,839 --> 00:44:54,200
only ones paying for the dam?

1008
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:10,560
Uh the capital costs of the dam were 98

1009
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,400
99% covered by provincial and federal

1010
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,680
funding.

1011
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:17,760
So they have uh contributed greatly to

1012
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,760
the cost of the structure and

1013
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,760
mitigation.

1014
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:27,280
Christina, could you speak to the role

1015
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:30,400
of the RDK as the local responsible

1016
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,480
local authority in cases of emergency

1017
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:35,680
management?

1018
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,440
» Yeah. Uh so I mean if a if we had a

1019
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,760
debris flow that impacted the community

1020
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:42,000
as well as the highway, there is a lot

1021
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,960
of coordinated efforts between uh

1022
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,240
various agencies, the RDK itself, um the

1023
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,480
Ministry of Transportation if the

1024
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:50,079
highway was impacted. uh and there is a

1025
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,200
concerted effort to you know clean

1026
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:55,520
things up as quickly as possible uh look

1027
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:59,280
through or activate funding through the

1028
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:01,200
province and whatnot. Um but yeah it

1029
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:04,079
it's

1030
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:08,359
it's a complicated and uh coordinated

1031
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:08,359
effort when we have a big event.

1032
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,599
» Okay. Um, so the next question, the RDEK

1033
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:20,160
was presented with a petition at the

1034
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:21,839
grand opening of the dam in October.

1035
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,000
Rather than address the serious and

1036
00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:26,079
numerous concerns raised in it, a short

1037
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,560
response was provided advising to

1038
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:31,040
contact the ombbuds person. Why did the

1039
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:36,200
RDK choose to dismiss the concerns and

1040
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:36,200
pass the responsibility off on it?

1041
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:41,359
» Certainly, I can speak to that. I don't

1042
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:42,720
think the RDK chose to dismiss the

1043
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:46,000
concern. was actually quite the

1044
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:49,839
opposite. the the the

1045
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:53,920
uh petition as I understood it was

1046
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:55,760
asking that a complete review be done

1047
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,000
and that is the role of the umpids

1048
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:02,079
person's office is to complete those

1049
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:05,280
types of re reviews as a uh impartial

1050
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:07,760
and third party to make sure that any

1051
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:10,480
there was nothing done incorrectly or

1052
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,720
against policy or out of outside of the

1053
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:16,400
public interest. So it is the

1054
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:20,359
appropriate vehicle for uh for the the

1055
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,359
request that was in the petition.

1056
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:30,960
Okay. Um how was the guidance project

1057
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,280
and updated hazard and risk assessment

1058
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,520
been funded to date? How will the

1059
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:38,520
implementation of the recommendations be

1060
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,520
funded?

1061
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:47,680
So the guidance project as I mentioned

1062
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:50,160
was primarily funded through UBCM uh

1063
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:54,560
funding program and that was through a

1064
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:58,240
disaster um recovery and climate u

1065
00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:01,200
mitigation stream. Um some of the

1066
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:03,520
preliminary work will be covered through

1067
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:08,240
the planning function

1068
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:10,160
and beyond that uh similar to Kara uh

1069
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:13,200
the regional district will be

1070
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:16,400
investigating additional uh grant

1071
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:19,760
funding streams um where it is

1072
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:22,720
identified that there is um expertise or

1073
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:25,839
guidance um that is required that is

1074
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:28,960
outside of the scope and capability or

1075
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:32,559
qualific ifications of RDK staff. Um so

1076
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:35,839
it's going to be a bit of a mix um with

1077
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:39,119
respect to it being paid through um

1078
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:41,839
existing um regional districtwide

1079
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:44,960
services um instead of just being born

1080
00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:47,920
by the local service area and grant

1081
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:50,000
funding as the different um

1082
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:53,000
opportunities or requirements come

1083
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,000
about.

1084
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:02,079
Okay. Um, and will any of the costs of

1085
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:04,240
these reports, RDK staff hours,

1086
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:07,520
administration input, and subsequent

1087
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:09,359
meetings be borne by a new or the

1088
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:13,000
existing Fairmont Flood and Landslide

1089
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:13,000
Service Area Fund.

1090
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:27,599
I say generally speaking, um I'd say

1091
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:30,480
kind of what I just said for the

1092
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:33,040
previous response. Um the majority of

1093
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:36,559
the staff hours and administration is

1094
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:39,280
getting covered through um existing um

1095
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:43,760
regional districtwide service um

1096
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:46,720
taxation. Um the local service area is

1097
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:48,559
very specific with respect to uh what

1098
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:51,760
the funds generated from that local

1099
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:53,920
service area are eligible to cover. Um

1100
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,640
it is a small service area. It has

1101
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:59,760
limited taxation available. Um so where

1102
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:02,000
it is feasible um it is covered through

1103
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:07,000
those broader taxation

1104
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:07,000
um considerations and services.

1105
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,800
Okay. And this is the last question from

1106
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:18,319
the engage page and then we will move

1107
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:20,640
over to the Q&A section. Um, at several

1108
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:23,040
recent public meetings and forums hosted

1109
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,960
by the RDK, it has been noted that the

1110
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,599
time period for public input and

1111
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,920
questions was insufficient. Will this be

1112
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:33,160
addressed at this and future meetings

1113
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,160
going forward?

1114
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:42,319
Yes, that would be an area that we would

1115
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:45,359
look for direct feedback and potentially

1116
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:47,359
some guidance on. Um if there is a

1117
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:50,319
feeling from the community that you

1118
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:52,640
aren't being given enough time um then

1119
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:55,599
that should be articulated to the

1120
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:58,400
project managers um specific to the

1121
00:50:55,599 --> 00:51:01,359
different pieces as we move forward and

1122
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:03,839
then where it is practicable

1123
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:06,240
um that those can be worked into the the

1124
00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:09,559
work plan um and that can be considered

1125
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:09,559
moving forward.

1126
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:17,920
» Okay. Um, I'm going to move over to the

1127
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:21,119
Q&A. Uh, I believe that everyone can see

1128
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:24,559
these. Um, and I'm going to start from

1129
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:27,680
the top and work my way down um, in

1130
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:29,760
order that they came in. Okay, so first

1131
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,280
question is, what about not I guess it's

1132
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,119
more a statement. What about not

1133
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,520
spending tons of money and keeping our

1134
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:39,400
property taxes in a small community low?

1135
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,400
The risk is on the homeowners.

1136
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:44,559
» Uh, I can comment on that one. Uh so I

1137
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:47,200
mean as Cara mentioned earlier the the

1138
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:50,000
next step is to do a detailed mitigation

1139
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:52,079
uh options analysis and figure out what

1140
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,480
is actually recommended and what we need

1141
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:56,319
to look at. Uh as local government we do

1142
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,720
have an obligation when we are aware of

1143
00:51:56,319 --> 00:52:01,920
a life safety hazard to do something

1144
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:03,760
about it. Um and then further to that uh

1145
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,400
the new emergency and disaster

1146
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:10,400
management act or EDMA uh has a section

1147
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:12,960
in it uh 26 uh 2B I believe uh that

1148
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:15,920
actually empowers the minister of

1149
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,839
emergency management to actually order a

1150
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,319
local authority to actually place

1151
00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:22,079
mitigation works in place uh if there is

1152
00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:23,440
a significant risk to a community and

1153
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:25,839
they aren't satisfied with the actions

1154
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,599
taken by the local government. So there

1155
00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:30,000
is a chance that we may not have an

1156
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:33,000
option. Um and that would be with the

1157
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,000
province.

1158
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,280
» Okay. And then the next statement here,

1159
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:40,079
it says that there's 31 members of the

1160
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:42,640
FHS community at the Lion's Den. So

1161
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:44,800
yeah, that's wonderful to hear that um

1162
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:47,200
because it shows that we've got a much

1163
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,040
bigger turnout than the numbers on this

1164
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:52,440
Zoom indicate. So thank you for letting

1165
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,440
us know that.

1166
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:58,000
Um and then the next statement is stop

1167
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:02,200
spending our money without the complete

1168
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,200
determination of the community.

1169
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:09,280
Um and then the next question is

1170
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:12,760
consultation and engagement means

1171
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,760
exactly what

1172
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:25,680
I'll answer from um sort of the OCP

1173
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:28,480
change or the risk tolerance policy that

1174
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:32,000
may be forthcoming. Um and consultation

1175
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:34,240
and engagement is largely going to um

1176
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:37,839
include opportunities for public

1177
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:40,559
education um and to ensure that that the

1178
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:44,640
community understands um the different

1179
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:47,119
pieces that we're considering um and has

1180
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:50,319
an understanding of why the regional

1181
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:54,640
district is proposing um ultimately what

1182
00:53:50,319 --> 00:53:57,200
we end up proposing. Um so there it it's

1183
00:53:54,640 --> 00:54:00,000
going to vary um depending on the the

1184
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:02,400
different um parts of the project. Um

1185
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,960
but key thing is is that we want to make

1186
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:08,400
sure that the community is informed at

1187
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:10,400
each step as we move forward. Um, so

1188
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,280
recognizing that there's a whole

1189
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:15,839
continuum of what consultation

1190
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:19,040
engagement can mean and sometimes it

1191
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:22,000
does mean inform and sometimes it does

1192
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,000
mean we're looking for feedback that is

1193
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,680
directly going to impact what the end

1194
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:29,920
result is. Um, and depending on which of

1195
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,079
the projects um, we're consulting on,

1196
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,319
which ones we're engaging on, it

1197
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:38,800
potentially is going to um, run the

1198
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:41,119
gamut of that spectrum. Um, as Christina

1199
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,640
identified, um, at some point the

1200
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:45,440
regional district might get marching

1201
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:48,160
orders. Um, we do have these reports

1202
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,640
now. Um, there are actions that we do

1203
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,000
need to proceed with. Um, but we do want

1204
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,800
to make sure that the community is

1205
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,559
informed about um, what's happening in

1206
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,559
your community, why things are happening

1207
00:54:56,559 --> 00:55:00,960
in your community. um and to make sure

1208
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:03,440
that you have the information um that

1209
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,200
you need to feel comfortable um with

1210
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,040
understanding why the regional district

1211
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:10,520
is going down the various paths that

1212
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,520
we're going to go down.

1213
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,040
» Okay. And

1214
00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:18,319
» I'd like to add a bit to that.

1215
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:20,480
» Um I guess from my perspective, a lot of

1216
00:55:18,319 --> 00:55:23,920
what Karen said applies to my projects

1217
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:26,160
also. Um when when when we're looking at

1218
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,680
things like future mitigation projects,

1219
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,599
um

1220
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,839
ultimately ultimately we want our

1221
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:34,559
experts to provide us with options that

1222
00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:36,800
we can move forward with. But what we do

1223
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:38,800
want when we're choosing potential

1224
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,720
options should we have should we have

1225
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,800
them is we want to know what the

1226
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:45,839
community wants. um what's important to

1227
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:48,079
the community, like what the what their

1228
00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:49,680
priorities are

1229
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:51,440
and

1230
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,599
um [clears throat] we'll do the best

1231
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:59,319
that we can

1232
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:59,319
to to meet those wants and needs. Um

1233
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:06,160
provided that, you know, we are

1234
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:09,040
continuing to um work towards a safe

1235
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:12,480
community.

1236
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:15,200
Thanks, Nathan. Is that perfect? Um,

1237
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:19,480
what is the delta between the old risk

1238
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,480
assessment and the new one?

1239
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,920
» Um, okay. [clears throat]

1240
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:27,040
I

1241
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:30,000
the numbers are the numbers are higher

1242
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:33,680
in the new one and it's quite a bit more

1243
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:36,240
detailed. So, we do have um we have

1244
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:38,400
numbers for for different um levels of

1245
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:43,040
an event. So, you know, we have our 10

1246
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:45,200
to 20 or 10 to 30, our 30 to 100,

1247
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:48,200
but the general

1248
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,200
um

1249
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:54,000
the general outcomes are not that

1250
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:56,480
different. Um I'm wondering I do have a

1251
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,559
map I do have the old map at the very

1252
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,480
end of this presentation. If we could

1253
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:03,119
skip forward just so I can show it

1254
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:08,480
quickly.

1255
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:10,559
Yes. So this is our 2013 mapping and

1256
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:13,040
if you compare it if you compare it to

1257
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:17,280
our new mapping the general shape is

1258
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:19,119
very very similar. Um

1259
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:22,359
the new one like I like I said is just

1260
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,359
more detailed.

1261
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:29,920
Okay. Um next one. What constitutes an

1262
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:32,640
event and what are the characteristics

1263
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:35,280
of an event and what can be done to

1264
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:38,160
mitigate the severity of the event?

1265
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:42,400
Example, annual inspection and removal

1266
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:44,960
of debris from the creek sides.

1267
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:47,599
So I can should I just quickly go over

1268
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:49,119
that again? What constitutes an event?

1269
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:51,040
What are the characteristics of an

1270
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:55,319
event? And what can be done to mitigate

1271
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:55,319
the severity of the event?

1272
00:57:56,079 --> 00:58:01,200
Um, I can I can take this question. Um,

1273
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:04,480
I'm going to assume that the person

1274
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:08,000
who's asking this question is asking

1275
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:10,960
about uh debris flows and debris floods

1276
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:13,119
events. Um, so the kind of they

1277
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,400
constitute between floods to landslides

1278
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:19,440
is kind of what we're looking at on

1279
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:22,079
these two creeks. Uh, and when we say an

1280
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:24,960
event, uh, we're saying, um, some kind

1281
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:26,960
of flooding or or landslide or debris

1282
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,680
has come down the creek that's

1283
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:32,880
potentially larger than what the creek

1284
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:36,640
can handle. So, it often uh has impacts

1285
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:38,880
to um, like maybe the banks you see

1286
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,200
might see erosion down some of the paths

1287
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:44,720
or on Fairmont Creek, the golf course

1288
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:46,559
pond might fill with sediment. um or um

1289
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,640
the stream the creek a bit lower from

1290
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:51,520
the golf course pond might uh have too

1291
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:54,400
much water in it and it might flood onto

1292
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:56,480
roads or into people's uh homes or their

1293
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,400
backyards. So that's what kind of what

1294
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,079
we mean when we have say an event. And

1295
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,119
then there's different magnitudes. So,

1296
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:03,680
that's kind of what we're describing

1297
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:06,240
where we might have some fl um smaller

1298
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:08,720
floods that are at that 10-year return

1299
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:11,680
period and then we have the larger ones

1300
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:14,240
or moderate size that might be like the

1301
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:16,079
2012 event on Fairmont Creek where you

1302
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:20,240
saw a lot of mud and rocks and trees

1303
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:21,359
come down. Um and I think um the last

1304
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,359
part of the question was something about

1305
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:27,760
how we can mitigate that or bring down

1306
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:30,400
the severity of the event. Uh and a lot

1307
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:32,960
of what would need um need to be done to

1308
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:35,119
bring down um make the event less severe

1309
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,400
might need to happen in the watershed if

1310
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:38,559
we think about it because the this is

1311
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,480
all coming from up in the watershed when

1312
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:43,599
it gets rained on or when we have

1313
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:46,640
landslides and generally we don't see

1314
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:48,480
that as being feasible uh in Canada.

1315
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,480
These wersheds are really large. We're

1316
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:53,920
not going to be able to secure every

1317
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:56,480
slope in the whole watershed. So that's

1318
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:59,760
why we start to look at mitigation uh

1319
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:02,240
right where it's needed most. So um on

1320
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:04,720
the fan where there's uh homes and

1321
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,240
people. Uh hopefully that answers the

1322
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,240
question and maybe Cara might have

1323
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:10,640
something to add.

1324
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,480
» Um no I think you've said a lot of it uh

1325
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,079
Beatus.

1326
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,160
Um,

1327
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:18,400
I think right now the best we can do to

1328
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:21,200
mitigate severity of events is to make

1329
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:24,400
sure that our existing structures are

1330
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:26,160
maintained and to have an awareness

1331
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:31,160
of weather systems that are coming

1332
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:31,160
towards us and be prepared for them.

1333
01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:36,640
And we do our our all of our

1334
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:40,400
infrastructure is inspected several

1335
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:43,280
times a year. So we we do keep close eye

1336
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:46,799
on things.

1337
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:49,680
Okay. Um so next question in one of the

1338
01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:53,440
first slides it states quote to ensure

1339
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:55,040
we met uh provincial expectations

1340
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,119
should not the province bear most of

1341
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,960
that cost?

1342
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:01,440
And then the second part of this

1343
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:04,319
question or I guess it's a statement to

1344
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:08,079
use numbers like 300 years and 1,000 and

1345
01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:09,599
3,000 years is not realistic.

1346
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:12,319
» Yeah, I can comment on the the first

1347
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:15,440
part of that um question there Nathan.

1348
01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:17,280
Uh so just for awareness I am in

1349
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,359
conversations with uh emergency

1350
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:22,319
management climate readiness uh senior

1351
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:24,400
staff trying to advocate for our

1352
01:01:22,319 --> 01:01:27,280
residents uh in coming up with some sort

1353
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:30,480
of sh cost sharing model when it comes

1354
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:32,240
to funding of uh mitigation and ongoing

1355
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,880
maintenance of mitigation and and

1356
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,640
response costs in general. Uh it is an

1357
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,920
ongoing conversation so there isn't a

1358
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,559
specific update I can share on that

1359
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:42,400
right now but um we are advocating and

1360
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:45,720
working really hard to try and get costs

1361
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,720
kept down.

1362
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:54,480
Um I guess to look at the second part of

1363
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,799
that using numbers like 300 years and

1364
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:00,559
1,000 years

1365
01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:04,400
not being realistic. Um,

1366
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:07,520
so a 300-year event

1367
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:10,000
has a 15% chance of occurring in a

1368
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:14,640
50-year period.

1369
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:18,799
So a 50% chance of an event occurring

1370
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:21,599
in that part of someone's life

1371
01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:25,119
is actually fairly significant.

1372
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:27,119
And even a thousand-year event is a 5%

1373
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:29,920
chance occurring. So these these

1374
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:33,040
actually these are

1375
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:34,799
these actually are

1376
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:38,160
these actually do warrant a they do

1377
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:41,440
warrant a response from us and they do

1378
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:44,720
need to be mitigated from and these

1379
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:48,599
these events are are life safety events

1380
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,599
that we can't just ignore.

1381
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:57,359
» Okay. Um, the next question, we were

1382
01:02:54,960 --> 01:03:00,400
told the Cold Spring Creek project was

1383
01:02:57,359 --> 01:03:03,359
for a 1 in300-year event. Now it is

1384
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:06,799
apparently for a 1 in 1,000-year event.

1385
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:09,359
Was the risk assessment wrong of or

1386
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:13,799
sorry, was the risk assessment wrong or

1387
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:13,799
was the dam built bigger than expected?

1388
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:22,880
» Could you address that, Petus? the

1389
01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:26,640
changes between the diverse.

1390
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:29,440
» Sure. Um I don't have the specifics off

1391
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:31,760
hand um as I was I was involved in this

1392
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:36,880
a little bit more adjacently but I think

1393
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:41,599
maybe where the confusion is here um is

1394
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:43,940
that I I think the basin was built um a

1395
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:45,520
little bit larger than they had they had

1396
01:03:43,940 --> 01:03:47,760
[clears throat] originally designed just

1397
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:50,079
based on the space that was available.

1398
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,000
um they were able it was the idea was

1399
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:56,720
that they went to the budget that was

1400
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:59,200
available um to to the design. So um so

1401
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:01,440
there's that part but um really I think

1402
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:05,599
what we're saying is it's that 300 to

1403
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:08,160
a,000year range. Um so we in geoscience

1404
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:10,799
we never put exact numbers on things.

1405
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:13,599
It's hard uh because we don't understand

1406
01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:15,200
um or sorry um because there's like a

1407
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:17,200
lot of uncertainty in some of the work

1408
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,599
we do. Um, so that's where we have those

1409
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:22,319
ranges, that 300 to a thousand-year. Uh,

1410
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:23,920
and then we compare that to the volume.

1411
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:26,319
Um, I think that's what Cara did in this

1412
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:28,799
presentation. Um, compared that to the

1413
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:31,920
volume of the 1,00 to 3,000-year event,

1414
01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:34,640
just showing how much um, residual

1415
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:38,000
hazard there still is and why there is

1416
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:40,480
um, a bit of risk still shown on that

1417
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:42,799
map. It's from that higher return period

1418
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:45,839
event. And some of these return periods

1419
01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:47,920
that we study, they um might seem quite

1420
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:50,079
large like uh but as Cara was

1421
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,839
explaining, they do have the chance of

1422
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:54,720
happening during someone's lifetime. And

1423
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:57,920
they're actually um we're instructed to

1424
01:04:54,720 --> 01:05:00,559
look at these large return periods by um

1425
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:02,559
some of the provincial authorities. Um

1426
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:05,520
so yeah, just give me a bit of context

1427
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:08,480
there. Um to add to that a little bit

1428
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:10,400
further, so we were targeting the 100 to

1429
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:12,720
300

1430
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:15,599
year event as as a minimum for our

1431
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:17,920
mitigation. And

1432
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:21,280
that's the event that we looked at

1433
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,960
because it's it's the event that is the

1434
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:26,079
most likely to happen that is really

1435
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:28,319
severe if if that makes any sense.

1436
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:31,440
» Um

1437
01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:33,359
and the project it was built as

1438
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,920
designed. um we didn't build it we

1439
01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:39,119
didn't build it larger but we are

1440
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:40,880
looking at um

1441
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:43,440
we're looking at such a big area that it

1442
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:46,880
takes a very a very small change to make

1443
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:48,880
a big difference in volume. So,

1444
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:52,400
you know, we have an extra maybe half

1445
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:54,319
meter high on the dam than we might have

1446
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,559
needed to get to the 63, but that covers

1447
01:05:54,319 --> 01:06:00,359
a it's such a large area up top that it

1448
01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:00,359
makes a big volume difference.

1449
01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:07,200
Okay. Um, next

1450
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:10,400
one is

1451
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:13,440
Okay. But there is one open pipe that is

1452
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:16,160
pouring water into creek or into the

1453
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:18,559
creek at the start of the bottom of the

1454
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:20,799
Marble Canyon Trail. So I'm maybe

1455
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:23,799
assuming this is in relation to that

1456
01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:23,799
previous

1457
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:30,880
trail question.

1458
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:33,280
» I was not aware of that. Um it's not RDK

1459
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:35,839
infrastructure, but

1460
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:39,119
I'll let the resort know.

1461
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:41,680
» Thank you. Okay. Um,

1462
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:44,880
next one. There's a lot of modeling

1463
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:48,400
going on. So, is there modeling showing

1464
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:51,119
the financial and public safety effect a

1465
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:53,680
flood, debris flow, or landslide has on

1466
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:56,880
a transportation corridor?

1467
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:59,359
In our service area, the highway 9395 is

1468
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:02,000
used daily by business from Cranrook to

1469
01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:03,920
Golden and beyond. The loss of business

1470
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,359
revenue would be substantial, not to

1471
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,200
mention the cost of highway cleanup

1472
01:07:05,359 --> 01:07:09,680
and/or replacement.

1473
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,760
millions even our education system and

1474
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,680
emergency services would endure a long

1475
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:16,079
period of disruption.

1476
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,760
So the question in there was is there

1477
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:20,079
modeling showing the financial and

1478
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,760
public safety effect a flood, debris

1479
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:24,240
flow or landslide has on a

1480
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:28,079
transportation corridor

1481
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:30,799
specifically I guess highway 9395.

1482
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:34,079
» Uh yeah I think I I can take that to

1483
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:37,039
start with. Uh so as Cara mentioned in

1484
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:40,160
the presentation, we did do a

1485
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:42,720
preliminary economic risk assessment on

1486
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:46,240
Fairmont Creek. So that's taking into

1487
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:50,720
account um approximate costs of the

1488
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:53,200
damage that um these events would do. Uh

1489
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:55,760
but ours is uh the assessment that was

1490
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:58,720
done is is quite preliminary. We mostly

1491
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:00,559
just looked at damages to buildings and

1492
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:05,119
properties and then the cleanup costs

1493
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:07,359
that um RDK has has taken um in previous

1494
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:11,359
events such as like the the annual or

1495
01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:14,240
every two-year uh filling of the we um

1496
01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:16,719
so we didn't look at all of the business

1497
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:18,799
loss and and I think it's mentioned in

1498
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:21,920
there as a large limitation of our study

1499
01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:25,279
that that obviously um was not accounted

1500
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:27,120
for. Uh and um that's

1501
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:30,080
Definitely. It it makes sense that that

1502
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:34,679
needs to or that that is a large loss

1503
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:34,679
though if if the highway was closed.

1504
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:49,759
Sorry, I was muted there. My apologies.

1505
01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:53,040
RDK is creating the risk tolerance

1506
01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:55,600
policy. Will that not drive which flood

1507
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:57,920
mitigation is recommended? Should the

1508
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:01,120
community not have input as the degree

1509
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:04,520
of risk that as the degree of risk be

1510
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,520
willing to tolerate?

1511
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:14,719
Maybe if I could get Tamson to speak to

1512
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,400
um the risk tolerance policy

1513
01:09:14,719 --> 01:09:20,319
recommendation.

1514
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:23,040
» Sure. Um thanks Karen. Uh so certainly

1515
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:25,839
risk tolerance policy would be one of

1516
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:27,839
the inputs um one of the elements in

1517
01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:30,880
making decisions about mitigation but

1518
01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:34,080
along with many other ones and um I

1519
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:36,880
think I've heard Karen and Cara speaking

1520
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:40,080
to further engagement on the mitigation

1521
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:43,839
options. Um, if we think about the risk

1522
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:48,159
tolerance policy, um, it's there really

1523
01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:51,120
to drive land use decisions. Um, and

1524
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:52,799
really applies to existing development,

1525
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:55,440
uh, as well as new development. And

1526
01:09:52,799 --> 01:09:57,840
often there's different tolerances for

1527
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:59,520
that new development as well as the

1528
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:02,239
existing development. with existing

1529
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:05,840
development having a higher tolerance,

1530
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:09,440
the the priority is really to um prevent

1531
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:10,880
future exposure to to the the hazard.

1532
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:14,880
So, it doesn't necessarily point to the

1533
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:17,440
most expensive option for mitigation. Um

1534
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:21,360
certainly uh engagement would occur

1535
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:24,960
moving forward on the risk tolerance

1536
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:28,000
uh policy as Karen's mentioned as well.

1537
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:30,640
Um there is significant precedent in BC

1538
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:33,040
in terms of uh risk tolerance policy

1539
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:35,440
used in other communities

1540
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:38,440
uh for for this for a similar

1541
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,440
application.

1542
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:48,560
All right. Um, so the next one, remind

1543
01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:50,719
us again why the annual cost to maintain

1544
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:53,760
mitigation works on these creeks in

1545
01:10:50,719 --> 01:10:56,719
Fairmont should only be borne by a mere

1546
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,880
1,000 Fairmont rate payers and not

1547
01:10:56,719 --> 01:11:02,520
spread out through out the valley and

1548
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,520
the MOT. at

1549
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:22,080
I think I'll I'll start this and

1550
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:25,120
probably Christina you could uh weigh in

1551
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:27,199
a little bit on this too because in fact

1552
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:29,440
a lot of the maintenance some of the

1553
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:30,960
cleaning out of the wees the debris,

1554
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:33,199
ponds, that sort of thing. Some of those

1555
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,960
costs are recouped. It's my

1556
01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:38,480
understanding from from emergency

1557
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:40,480
management. So, all the costs are not

1558
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:42,960
actually being to maintain the

1559
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:44,560
infrastructure uh and clear clear them

1560
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,679
out are not being maintained by the

1561
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:50,080
rate. But it there is a provincial

1562
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:52,560
expectation with these grants that we

1563
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:54,640
receive and again Carrie you may want to

1564
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:57,520
add to that but that that we that the

1565
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:59,840
grants the 98% that we received um for

1566
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:02,320
the funding of the of the capital work

1567
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:05,920
is that there was some responsibility on

1568
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:08,640
the on the uh property owners in this in

1569
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:11,360
the service area to maintain that which

1570
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,560
is protecting the properties.

1571
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,679
» I can jump in there. Sorry, I

1572
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,199
interpreted that question slightly

1573
01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:18,480
differently than I think it was actually

1574
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:21,520
asked. So, um yeah, when it comes to uh

1575
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:24,560
debris building up in uh the we or in

1576
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:28,320
any of our debris basins, uh if it is of

1577
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:30,080
a sizable note, um then the province can

1578
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,440
step in with their response funding,

1579
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:33,199
emergency funding to help us clean those

1580
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:35,360
out so we can reduce the risk and get it

1581
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:38,880
back to a a tolerable standard so that

1582
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:41,120
everybody is safe. Um and from that

1583
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:44,000
perspective, we are um we do that with

1584
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:45,520
every single event that we have. Um the

1585
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,480
other comment sort of ties into what I

1586
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,560
was talking about earlier with the

1587
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:50,000
advocacy in terms of ongoing

1588
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:53,120
maintenance. So just looking at like the

1589
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:54,960
Cold Spring uh debris basin and trying

1590
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,679
to come up with a a cost sharing model

1591
01:12:54,960 --> 01:13:00,560
from that perspective to um ensure that

1592
01:12:57,679 --> 01:13:02,239
it's not just uh our our taxpayers that

1593
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,760
are paying for it, that there is some

1594
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:06,159
some tie into the province there as

1595
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:09,120
well. Cara, is there anything you want

1596
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:10,960
to add to that?

1597
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,719
» Um, not really. I think between you and

1598
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:15,880
Susan, do you think you you've answered

1599
01:13:12,719 --> 01:13:15,880
the question?

1600
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:18,560
» Nathan.

1601
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:21,440
» Okay.

1602
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:23,920
Um, so next up, does the community

1603
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:26,960
really have any say when the province

1604
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:30,440
minister and RDK are creating their own

1605
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,440
guidance report?

1606
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:39,679
The guidance report is really seen as as

1607
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:42,880
the starting point. Um we knew we didn't

1608
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:45,199
have all the answers when it came to um

1609
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:48,159
what we needed to do in order to move

1610
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:50,960
forward proactively with um

1611
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:55,360
acknowledging the outcomes of these um

1612
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:57,840
technical engineering reports. Um so

1613
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:59,840
there will be a certain point um where

1614
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:03,120
the community will have opportunities to

1615
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:05,600
participate. Um but as it's been

1616
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,840
identified by various speakers um the

1617
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:11,920
regional district does have obligations

1618
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:15,120
and responsibilities under various acts

1619
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:18,640
um at the provincial level um to ensure

1620
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:21,920
that development is um occurring in a

1621
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:24,800
safe and responsible manner. Um so

1622
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:28,239
within those contexts um we will be

1623
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:31,360
looking at um making sure that um the

1624
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:33,920
actions that are um undertaken um are

1625
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:36,480
moving the RDK and the community towards

1626
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:38,800
those ends. Um and within those

1627
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:41,120
limitations um when there is

1628
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:43,760
opportunities for the community to help

1629
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:46,400
guide the direction um we absolutely

1630
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:49,040
will be looking to capitalize on those

1631
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:52,640
um and like working to ensure that the

1632
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:56,159
community is informed about why um when

1633
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:58,640
we can't um utilize sort of community um

1634
01:14:56,159 --> 01:15:01,199
consent or community buyin um to an

1635
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:03,679
extent that you would prefer um why the

1636
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:05,760
regional district um is moving in that

1637
01:15:03,679 --> 01:15:08,000
direction as

1638
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:10,719
And I can just add into the ministerial

1639
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:12,800
comment there. So under the new EDMA

1640
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:15,520
legislation, uh the minister is not

1641
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:18,159
currently um to my knowledge ever used

1642
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:21,360
that power. That's a relatively new one.

1643
01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:23,120
Um, and so I think if we did end up in a

1644
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:25,440
place where they weren't happy with the

1645
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:28,080
direction that we were proposing, uh,

1646
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:30,000
whether that's, you know, a minimal

1647
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,360
mitigation effort or or nothing at all,

1648
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,480
whatever the case may be from what comes

1649
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:36,719
out of our analysis, um, there would

1650
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:38,960
likely be conversation between the local

1651
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:40,640
government uh, and the province and

1652
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:44,800
potentially the the community, depending

1653
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:46,560
on how it it all plays out, um, of what

1654
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,320
mitigative [snorts] work would be

1655
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:50,080
required or would be acceptable. by the

1656
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,920
province. So it may not be like a

1657
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:54,800
specific one that they they dictate. It

1658
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:56,159
could be a variety of things. So uh

1659
01:15:54,800 --> 01:16:00,199
there'd be a lot of conversations around

1660
01:15:56,159 --> 01:16:00,199
that if we did come down to that.

1661
01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:06,880
» Okay. And sorry I um accidentally bumped

1662
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:08,880
over one here. The question is what

1663
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:11,880
about future use of the director

1664
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,880
consent?

1665
01:16:12,719 --> 01:16:19,920
I'm guessing that one that one's coming

1666
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:20,880
uh is for me. Um so I'm I'm actually

1667
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,679
just going to provide a little

1668
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:29,679
background on on when director consent

1669
01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:32,000
was used um for the cold spring work. Um

1670
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:34,239
when we first presented the hazard a

1671
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:36,800
similar uh session that we h we're

1672
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:40,800
having tonight regarding the uh cold

1673
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:43,679
spring hazard assessment report. Um it

1674
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:46,320
was the intention to move forward in

1675
01:16:43,679 --> 01:16:47,920
with a uh you know with a lot of

1676
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,679
community engagement referendum if

1677
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,760
necessary before it was determined

1678
01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:55,840
exactly what the mitigation work would

1679
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:57,440
would be done. Very quickly after that

1680
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,760
presentation, I think we did that

1681
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:02,159
presentation October, November. In

1682
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,679
December, there was an announcement made

1683
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:06,000
by the federal government and the

1684
01:17:03,679 --> 01:17:08,320
provincial government of fund that we

1685
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:12,400
where we could get up to to up to $10

1686
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:15,280
million of funding from for and we had a

1687
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:17,760
very brief window uh opportunity to

1688
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:19,040
submit our application for that. So, we

1689
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,320
decided to do it because when we were

1690
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,800
speaking originally during the

1691
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:24,320
presentation, we had all envisioned a

1692
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:27,120
25-year

1693
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:30,640
phased approach to building uh

1694
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:34,000
mitigation works on Cold Spring Creek.

1695
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:37,920
So, that fund uh that application came

1696
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:40,320
forward. Um we submitted the application

1697
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:42,640
in order through a number of questions

1698
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:46,080
and I think Carrick could probably uh

1699
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:48,640
add to this. Um it was determined um

1700
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:53,440
that the best way forward was to do

1701
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:57,760
director uh consent to whereas I asked

1702
01:17:53,440 --> 01:18:01,040
the board to support the the work going

1703
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:02,560
forward that then was sent to the

1704
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:05,520
minister

1705
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:08,719
uh responsible for their approval. So it

1706
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:12,159
wasn't just a director uh making the

1707
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:14,159
decision. It was it was more about the

1708
01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:18,719
process to move forward because the

1709
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:21,199
timing in order to for us to accept um

1710
01:18:18,719 --> 01:18:23,520
and apply accept the funding that was

1711
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:26,000
being that was looking very optimistic

1712
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:29,679
within a very short time of being of

1713
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:32,480
applying for that grant um

1714
01:18:29,679 --> 01:18:35,199
uh didn't allow for the the timing of a

1715
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:38,159
of a referendum. and the cost of a

1716
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:40,480
referendum would have been anywhere from

1717
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:43,040
$40 to $50,000. So there was a lot of

1718
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:45,920
factors involved. And so it wasn't just

1719
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:49,360
me as the director a directing staff to

1720
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:52,880
make to go forward. It was me asking the

1721
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:54,800
board to ask the minister. And so that's

1722
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:57,520
that's what happened there. the minister

1723
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:59,280
and and the ministerial staff reviewing

1724
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:01,440
the application both federally and

1725
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,960
proincially looked at the application,

1726
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:05,199
looked at the hazard assessment and

1727
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:07,120
determined it was the best uh way

1728
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:10,320
forward. And that's how we were able to

1729
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:13,040
get just over $9.7 million from that

1730
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:15,760
particular fund and subsequent funds

1731
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:18,400
bringing us to a 98% funding on that

1732
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:20,800
project. So that's why that decision was

1733
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:23,360
made. And so at this point, I don't see

1734
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:25,520
that I'd be shocked if we saw that kind

1735
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:29,360
of granting opportunity again. So it

1736
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:33,520
wouldn't be my intention to um to use

1737
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:35,280
that tool again. Um but that said, I

1738
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:37,679
don't think we can ever say definitely

1739
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:39,760
never, but uh certainly not the

1740
01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:42,800
intention um at this stage because I

1741
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:45,800
don't see us with that same financial uh

1742
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,800
opportunity.

1743
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:57,600
Okay. Um, next question. At the 2025

1744
01:19:55,120 --> 01:20:00,320
area F town hall meeting, the RDK

1745
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:02,159
responded yes when asked whether the

1746
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,840
residents of Fairmont would be given the

1747
01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:06,159
opportunity to participate in a

1748
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,320
referendum regarding Fairmont Creek

1749
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:11,280
flood and landslide mitigation project

1750
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:14,520
works. Will the RDK continue to hold

1751
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,520
this position?

1752
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:19,600
Um, so I believe that was me that

1753
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:21,840
responded yes at that area F town hall.

1754
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,600
So I'll take this question.

1755
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:25,520
Um, I don't know if it'll be a

1756
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:28,719
referendum or exactly what the process

1757
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:30,480
would look like. Um,

1758
01:20:28,719 --> 01:20:33,760
our intent is to engage the community as

1759
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:36,320
much as we can and still

1760
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:40,880
um, meet our obligations with protecting

1761
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:42,880
community. And like in my my ideal

1762
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,960
world, you know, we have plenty of time

1763
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:47,679
to go through all the engagement we want

1764
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:52,719
and to select a project

1765
01:20:47,679 --> 01:20:55,600
and um you know, plan for plan for the

1766
01:20:52,719 --> 01:20:57,280
future as much as we can and you know

1767
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:59,920
maybe in 2 years we have that great

1768
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:01,840
funding opportunity that came up that we

1769
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:03,760
were able to apply for for Cold Spring

1770
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:07,920
Creek.

1771
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:10,640
Um so yes my our intent is to engage

1772
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:14,159
community as much as we can and to

1773
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:19,960
listen to your wants and

1774
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:19,960
and also your what you don't want.

1775
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:29,120
» Okay. Um what level of risk is tolerable

1776
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:31,600
and who decides the residents or the

1777
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:34,239
developers? I am free to choose the risk

1778
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:36,480
to drive my car. Why do I not have the

1779
01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:39,280
input in choosing the risk I will accept

1780
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:40,880
in a flood?

1781
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,960
» Yeah, I can take that one. Um, it's a

1782
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:45,360
good question. There's a number of

1783
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,880
factors involved in this one. So, uh,

1784
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:50,560
for starters, I guess just to look at

1785
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:52,080
your example, um, driving your car is an

1786
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,320
individual choice, whereas what we're

1787
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:56,560
looking at here is a communitywide

1788
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:59,360
impacts potentially to a large group of

1789
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:01,840
people, not just an individual. um when

1790
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:04,320
it comes to determining risk and from

1791
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:07,280
the provincial perspective, uh they look

1792
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:09,840
at the BC emergency response sort of

1793
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:12,080
goals or guidelines uh which is

1794
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:14,320
protecting lives, uh protecting public

1795
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:16,320
health, um reducing suffering,

1796
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,000
protecting property and infrastructure.

1797
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:20,239
Uh there's a whole list including

1798
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,920
economic and social losses. Uh there's a

1799
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:24,560
whole variety of things there. There's

1800
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:28,639
also a lot of precedents already set um

1801
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:30,560
both legally and just in um response to

1802
01:22:28,639 --> 01:22:33,280
other emergencies and and mitigative

1803
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:36,560
works where where exist um disasters

1804
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:38,320
have existed. Uh so it there's all a lot

1805
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:41,520
there. Um we look at recommendations

1806
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:43,520
from qualified professionals as well. Um

1807
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:46,520
yeah, that kind of sums that one up I

1808
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,520
think.

1809
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:52,480
» Okay, thanks for that. Um, would it not

1810
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:54,960
be better to have mitigation upstream to

1811
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:56,880
avoid destruction in the flood fan?

1812
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:59,120
Example, annual inspection of the

1813
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,880
watershed done by a drone,

1814
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:05,679
identification of debris piles and

1815
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:08,480
removal to bring down costs.

1816
01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:11,600
» Uh, I can take this question. Uh, this

1817
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:14,719
is a really interesting and uh, great

1818
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:17,440
question. Um, and the reason we

1819
01:23:14,719 --> 01:23:21,199
generally don't look at mitigation in

1820
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:23,040
wersheds is due to the cost. So, the

1821
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:25,120
idea of flying a drone and taking a look

1822
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,480
at the wershed. Excellent. I love it. I

1823
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:28,000
like looking at what's happening up

1824
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:30,320
there and seeing what the sediment

1825
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:33,040
supply is like. Uh, it gives us an idea

1826
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:35,440
of what we can expect in the future. Uh,

1827
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:38,239
but the access to be able to clean that

1828
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:40,960
out if we do see debris building up is

1829
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:42,480
is really really challenging. uh you're

1830
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,719
not going to be able to get excavators

1831
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:46,800
up there or trucks and things like that.

1832
01:23:44,719 --> 01:23:49,760
And so that's why we tend to look at

1833
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:52,480
mitigation options that are accessible.

1834
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:55,480
Uh so that brings the cost um down

1835
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:55,480
substantially.

1836
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:06,159
» Okay. Um our costs for the local service

1837
01:24:02,639 --> 01:24:09,760
area have already increased 600% from

1838
01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:11,600
2020 to 2024. How much more can we be

1839
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:14,239
expected to bear with this new project

1840
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:18,440
on Fairmont Creek? We need a tax

1841
01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:18,440
decrease, not increase.

1842
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:28,960
Um, at this point, we absolutely can't

1843
01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:31,199
put a number on it at all. Um,

1844
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:34,000
and this possible project on Fairmont

1845
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:35,520
Creek could be many years into the

1846
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:39,520
future. At this point, it'll be

1847
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:43,320
dependent on funding and on what we look

1848
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:43,320
at doing on the creek.

1849
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:52,800
» Okay. Um at our last area F town hall

1850
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:55,280
meeting, um community members asked

1851
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:58,159
about costs and mitigation of Fairmont

1852
01:24:55,280 --> 01:25:01,760
Creek. The response was that possibly

1853
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:05,440
very little will be needed to be done as

1854
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:07,920
work was completed in 2017 2018.

1855
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:10,239
Now we're looking at costs upwards to 20

1856
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:14,600
million for flood mitigation. What

1857
01:25:10,239 --> 01:25:14,600
changed in the last 4 months?

1858
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:23,520
» Well, at the area F town hall, we did

1859
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:25,120
not have the results of the updated

1860
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:27,360
hazard assessment yet. So, we didn't

1861
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,639
know what the new what the outcome of it

1862
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,840
was going to be, what the new volumes

1863
01:25:28,639 --> 01:25:32,159
were going to be, and what the map was

1864
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:36,880
going to look like. Um, so we do have

1865
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:39,679
some mitigation on the creek, which is

1866
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:41,760
um which has done a very good job of

1867
01:25:39,679 --> 01:25:45,920
protecting community and the events that

1868
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:48,320
have happened in the last few years. Um

1869
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:50,639
but now that now that we have the

1870
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:54,320
results, we do know that we you know

1871
01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:58,880
more work is likely warranted

1872
01:25:54,320 --> 01:26:01,600
and um we'll move forward as best we can

1873
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:05,000
with community engagement and um working

1874
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,000
with our consultants.

1875
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:12,880
» Okay. Um what is the order of natural

1876
01:26:09,679 --> 01:26:15,360
hazard risks to Fairmont? We are very

1877
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:17,679
focused on flood mitigation yet. Is not

1878
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:19,600
forest fire a much greater risk that

1879
01:26:17,679 --> 01:26:21,440
might strike while we are looking at the

1880
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:23,679
creek hazards?

1881
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:25,440
» Yeah, that's a good question. Um, so we

1882
01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:27,360
are actually currently undertaking our

1883
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:30,239
hazard risk and vulnerability analysis

1884
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:32,719
update. Uh, in the last one, I don't

1885
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:34,080
have the exact ranking for uh Fairmont

1886
01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:35,840
in front of me, but our top three

1887
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:37,679
hazards across the entire East Coupney

1888
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:40,239
are wildfires, floods, and dangerous

1889
01:26:37,679 --> 01:26:41,840
goods. each community's uh vulnerability

1890
01:26:40,239 --> 01:26:43,840
to each of those is going to be a little

1891
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:46,159
bit different uh depending on where you

1892
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:49,840
are and what your hazards are uh in that

1893
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:52,880
immediate area. Um but that is uh what

1894
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:55,600
is being looked at right now. So um and

1895
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:57,440
on the wildfire comment, we have a very

1896
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,719
active and engaged fires smart program

1897
01:26:57,440 --> 01:27:00,239
throughout the region that works with

1898
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:03,199
homeowners to reduce the risk of

1899
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:04,320
wildfire around your house. Um and so we

1900
01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:06,800
have that going on. And then the

1901
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:08,560
province uh also has a wildfire risk

1902
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:12,120
reduction program that they actively

1903
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:12,120
work on as well.

1904
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:18,080
Okay. The pro this is the next question.

1905
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:20,480
The process as I understand it was a

1906
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:22,639
recommendation to the RDK board who

1907
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:24,880
unanimously approved the recommendation

1908
01:27:22,639 --> 01:27:27,920
to the minister for approval. This

1909
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:29,679
resulted in 98% plus of total costs

1910
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:33,120
being ultimately covered in order to

1911
01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:35,760
best protect us as rateayers. Thank you.

1912
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:39,120
So I guess that was just not a question

1913
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:42,120
that was a statement.

1914
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,120
Um

1915
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:48,400
Caris stated sorry this is the next

1916
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:50,000
question. Car stated there would be lots

1917
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:52,480
of engagement regarding future

1918
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:56,320
mitigation projects. There are over 31

1919
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:58,960
people sitting in a room in FHS

1920
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:03,639
sorry hot springs. Believe me we are

1921
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:03,639
engaged. You should be here in person.

1922
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:10,400
I I just would like to comment on that.

1923
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:13,920
I think that's great and we also have 30

1924
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:15,840
participants online. So, I think it's a

1925
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:20,560
great combination that this Zoom meeting

1926
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:23,920
has really enabled um participation by

1927
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:26,960
uh a large group of of community members

1928
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:32,080
and and whether they're here in Fairmont

1929
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:34,960
Hot Springs as I am or as um or in uh

1930
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:37,040
elsewhere in the country or even um in

1931
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:38,719
the world. So, I think I really

1932
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:41,199
appreciate that so many people are

1933
01:28:38,719 --> 01:28:42,960
engaged. this is this uh just proves to

1934
01:28:41,199 --> 01:28:44,719
me that this was a great way to have

1935
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:48,080
this initial this initial meeting

1936
01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:52,280
because it provided access for um over

1937
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:52,280
60 people. So, thank you.

1938
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:58,960
Okay, for uh the next one, for some

1939
01:28:56,159 --> 01:29:00,080
community members, and um you're going

1940
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,239
to have to forgive me because I don't

1941
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:04,239
know what one of these what this means.

1942
01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:08,560
For some community members, the increase

1943
01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:11,280
in tax RT debris mitigation is $1,000 a

1944
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:14,239
year. Over a 20-year period, this

1945
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:16,880
amounts to 20,000. Add another dam to

1946
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:21,800
Fairmont Creek potential to 40,000 for

1947
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:21,800
one property owner. Is this fair?

1948
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:35,360
I I don't think we're at that stage of

1949
01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:38,560
quantifying what the impact could be or

1950
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:43,280
will be at this point. So, I'm not even

1951
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:47,520
sure the best way to to respond um to

1952
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:50,880
your question. I guess is it depends on

1953
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:53,760
on um what the uh what mitigation work

1954
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:55,520
is determined to be done through through

1955
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,360
the process that we've explained we're

1956
01:29:55,520 --> 01:30:00,639
going to be going through this evening

1957
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:03,840
and and uh you know what that protection

1958
01:30:00,639 --> 01:30:07,520
of of property infrastructure and life

1959
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:09,280
is. So um yeah I guess we will determine

1960
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:11,040
as we move forward what's going to make

1961
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:14,040
the most sense for the community of

1962
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,040
Fairmont.

1963
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,800
Okay. Um, so this actually that was the

1964
01:30:17,199 --> 01:30:20,719
last question, but now one more has come

1965
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:22,080
in and I'm I'm not trying to shut it

1966
01:30:20,719 --> 01:30:24,320
down. I'm just sort of letting people

1967
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:27,520
know if they're sort of maybe last call

1968
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:29,440
if you will. Um, this next question is

1969
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,639
Oh, one more is coming apparently too.

1970
01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:33,679
Okay, [laughter]

1971
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:38,920
next question. When do you plan to know

1972
01:30:33,679 --> 01:30:38,920
what mitigation plan will be determined?

1973
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:44,800
Um that'll depend on what when we can

1974
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:46,960
get funding to do the options analysis.

1975
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:49,040
Um

1976
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,880
and then however quickly we move through

1977
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:53,280
that through that process and then

1978
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:59,600
beyond that we may choose an option.

1979
01:30:53,280 --> 01:31:01,679
However um we will still need to to um

1980
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:05,600
apply for and be successful in getting

1981
01:31:01,679 --> 01:31:07,440
funding for it. So it

1982
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:10,000
hard question to answer but it won't be

1983
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:13,360
in the next couple of months.

1984
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:15,040
It could be up to yours.

1985
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:17,440
» Okay. And yeah, I want to be clear. I

1986
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,719
wasn't I'm not trying to rush anyone. So

1987
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:20,719
we do know that there is one more

1988
01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:23,600
question coming in. So we will gladly

1989
01:31:20,719 --> 01:31:25,600
wait for that one and

1990
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:29,440
maybe more.

1991
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:32,000
So um yeah, don't worry. You don't have

1992
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:35,239
to you don't have to type too fast. You

1993
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,239
got time.

1994
01:31:49,679 --> 01:31:53,920
So, I will just take this moment though

1995
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:56,480
to remind anyone that once this

1996
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:59,199
recording is done, we will get it up

1997
01:31:56,480 --> 01:32:03,199
onto the engage page as quick as we can

1998
01:31:59,199 --> 01:32:06,880
um and then send it out the link via the

1999
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:08,560
um the community emails. So, please make

2000
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,920
sure uh if you're not already signed up

2001
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:14,199
for it, sign up for that community

2002
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:14,199
email. You can do that at rdk.bc.ca.

2003
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:20,480
And at the top it says um what is the

2004
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,920
wording? Stay informed. And so there's a

2005
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:24,560
little stay informed button at the top

2006
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:26,719
of our main page on our website. Click

2007
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:29,600
that and you can sign up for the emails.

2008
01:32:26,719 --> 01:32:31,520
And that way um especially on the on

2009
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:34,000
projects like this, you will be the

2010
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:35,520
first one to find out what's going on.

2011
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:40,560
That's our first way of getting the word

2012
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:42,800
out. Okay. Um the question has come in.

2013
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:45,840
Debris flows are created when debris

2014
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:48,000
piles when debris piles up along the

2015
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:50,560
creek bed and impair the natural flow of

2016
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:52,480
water. Under severe weather events, the

2017
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:55,120
water is impeded by the debris creating

2018
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:58,239
a dam effect. When this material and the

2019
01:32:55,120 --> 01:33:01,120
dam breaks, it creates a debris flow

2020
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:03,840
into the fan. Why is everything you

2021
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:06,840
consider mitigation a local mega

2022
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,840
project?

2023
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:14,719
Um maybe I'll I'll start and and others

2024
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:19,040
can jump in if they have other um

2025
01:33:14,719 --> 01:33:22,880
thoughts. So I um this is something that

2026
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:25,600
could occur um in the watersheds here,

2027
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:28,159
but that's not actually the only type of

2028
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:31,520
debris flow we get. Um, a lot of the

2029
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:34,239
time, um, when we have a large rainfall

2030
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:36,560
or an intense rainfall, so, uh, really

2031
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:38,320
high amounts of rain in a short period,

2032
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:40,480
it can mobilize sediment that's already

2033
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:42,639
in the channel. And as most of you when

2034
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:44,719
you look up at the mountains there, you

2035
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:47,679
know that there's like a lot of, um, big

2036
01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:50,159
rock boulder fields up there. So, all of

2037
01:33:47,679 --> 01:33:52,239
that starts to kind of mobilize. There's

2038
01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:54,000
so much sediment up in these watersheds

2039
01:33:52,239 --> 01:33:55,760
that's available for transport when

2040
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:58,960
there's enough rain. So that's kind of

2041
01:33:55,760 --> 01:34:01,120
how we see debris flows start um or from

2042
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:04,880
landslides on the side of the creek

2043
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:06,639
entering the creek. Um so yeah, that's

2044
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:09,440
one uh those are a couple different ways

2045
01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:11,120
that debris flows can uh start and I

2046
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:13,679
think the main question here is why does

2047
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:16,880
it have to be a large project? Um there

2048
01:34:13,679 --> 01:34:18,880
are different options as Cara presented.

2049
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:21,199
So there's kind of different levels um

2050
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:24,000
that we've looked at um but we're aiming

2051
01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:26,880
to improve the life safety risk on the

2052
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:29,199
fan. So that requires a little bit

2053
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:32,480
higher of a level of mitigation because

2054
01:34:29,199 --> 01:34:35,360
we're trying to um reduce the risk of

2055
01:34:32,480 --> 01:34:38,480
those larger events impacting people's

2056
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:41,520
homes. Um but there are like some small

2057
01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:43,360
or like lesser um not as large projects

2058
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:46,000
and everything that can be done as well.

2059
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:48,880
Um it just might not have um the

2060
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:50,480
intended outcome. And I'll let Cara um

2061
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:53,719
or someone else add to that if they have

2062
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:53,719
anything else.

2063
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:00,000
Um, I don't really have anything else to

2064
01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:03,320
add to that. P. I think you've you've

2065
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,320
answered it.

2066
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:09,040
Okay. Um, next question. Why would the

2067
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:10,639
annual cost of these mitigation projects

2068
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:12,880
not be shared throughout the valley

2069
01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:16,840
communities given the potential impact

2070
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:16,840
to the transportation corridor?

2071
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:35,440
and um the follow-up question to that

2072
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:36,960
the next one is it just it's please be

2073
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:39,280
clear when answering why would the

2074
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:41,679
annual cost of these mitigation projects

2075
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:44,960
not be shared throughout the valleys or

2076
01:35:41,679 --> 01:35:44,960
sorry throughout the valley communities.

2077
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:57,440
Yeah, I think I I'm I might follow up on

2078
01:35:55,280 --> 01:36:00,719
this question maybe through the enga

2079
01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:02,800
engage page because uh I just want to be

2080
01:36:00,719 --> 01:36:05,120
clear this is to some degree this is a

2081
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:09,360
bit of probably a a decision that was

2082
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:11,120
made uh 2013 is what the the size of the

2083
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:14,960
service area and it was certainly before

2084
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:17,840
my time. Um but this is a uh the service

2085
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:21,199
area and and it's really depends on it's

2086
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:23,520
about how the regional districts um pay

2087
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:26,880
for services. We're not like a

2088
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:30,000
municipality where we uh have a budget.

2089
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:32,639
We collect taxes for that budget and

2090
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:35,280
then that money is spent per the budget.

2091
01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:38,400
Each service area has to have a budget

2092
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:40,639
and to do any work uh in the regional

2093
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:45,040
district we have to have a service area

2094
01:36:40,639 --> 01:36:47,920
and the service area for this work is uh

2095
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:50,880
was determined um um I think it goes

2096
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:53,840
back to 1989 actually if my memory

2097
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:57,199
serves um by the Fairmont Flood and

2098
01:36:53,840 --> 01:37:00,320
Landslide Service Area. So that's that's

2099
01:36:57,199 --> 01:37:03,920
where it's at right now and it it is the

2100
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:07,280
greatest number of impacted residents.

2101
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:10,800
Um there are opportunities for you know

2102
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:13,760
transportation to be uh or for for

2103
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:15,600
people to kind of egress the community

2104
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:17,840
on either side of Fairmont whether

2105
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:20,400
through through Cranbrook or through

2106
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:22,400
through Radium. And so I imagine that

2107
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:24,800
might have had something to do with that

2108
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:27,520
original um determination of what the

2109
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:29,280
service area looked like. So I I think

2110
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:31,280
we can certainly follow up with a more

2111
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:35,520
wholesome answer as to what that

2112
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:38,159
processes, but um this does date back um

2113
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:42,600
to to the late 80s and how the service

2114
01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:42,600
area was structured and set up.

2115
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:48,280
» Okay. Um

2116
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:53,840
The next one,

2117
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:56,320
can you be more specific about exactly

2118
01:37:53,840 --> 01:38:00,360
what input citizens will have in the

2119
01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:00,360
risk development policy?

2120
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:05,119
So, I'm going to assume that this is

2121
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:08,400
with respect to the risk tolerance

2122
01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:12,000
policy. Um so we do have a clear

2123
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:16,159
recommendation in the guidance report um

2124
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:19,760
that outlines a proposed framework.

2125
01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:23,520
Um and so I think that um if it's

2126
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:25,920
largely going to be um at the inform

2127
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:28,880
level of engagement

2128
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:32,400
um but that would be determined um based

2129
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:33,840
on uh direction provided to staff um and

2130
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:37,600
at the discretion of the regional

2131
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:39,920
district board. Um I think a key thing

2132
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:42,639
um that has been touched on by a number

2133
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:45,520
of different speakers uh this evening

2134
01:38:42,639 --> 01:38:47,520
has been that um these frameworks are

2135
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:49,679
something that are um have legal

2136
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:52,800
precedent. Uh they have precedent in

2137
01:38:49,679 --> 01:38:54,080
other comparable communities um and that

2138
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:57,360
that that's what we're going to be

2139
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:59,520
drawing from on that. Um so really it's

2140
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:02,000
largely wanting to make sure that the

2141
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:05,760
community understands

2142
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:08,080
um the basis and the premise for um that

2143
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:10,960
um but that we are like we have a clear

2144
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:12,960
recommendation in the report um and we

2145
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:15,840
anticipate that that that's what will be

2146
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:19,679
brought forward. Um so it it likely will

2147
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:21,199
be um at the inform level of

2148
01:39:19,679 --> 01:39:24,320
consultation.

2149
01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:27,520
um but that we will um embark on that

2150
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:29,199
and that we will have that and if it is

2151
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:31,760
uh the decision is made by the board

2152
01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:34,560
that it's original districtwide

2153
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:37,280
um policy um so it's not that it is

2154
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:39,840
something that is specific to Fairmont

2155
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:42,719
or specific to these debris floods um

2156
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:44,639
but is generally speaking that as um

2157
01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:47,119
Christina's identified we recognize

2158
01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:49,040
there's a range um of hazards and

2159
01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:53,040
vulnerabilities across the regional

2160
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:56,560
district and that would um factor in to

2161
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:58,719
that as well um is that it won't just be

2162
01:39:56,560 --> 01:40:01,360
the Fairmont community that we will need

2163
01:39:58,719 --> 01:40:03,840
to have that uh discussion with to have

2164
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:05,679
that consultation with. Um it will be

2165
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:09,000
original district-wide discussion that

2166
01:40:05,679 --> 01:40:09,000
we'll be having.

2167
01:40:12,239 --> 01:40:17,920
Okay. Um there's a a two-part sort of

2168
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:20,560
question statement here. Have you driven

2169
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:24,000
through the Crows Nest Pass with respect

2170
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:26,639
to major rock slides?

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01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:28,880
Um, I would say that yes, most of us

2172
01:40:26,639 --> 01:40:32,560
have driven through Crow's Nest Pass and

2173
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:35,119
have seen that rock slide. Yes. I'm not

2174
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:39,080
sure what the uh statement or question

2175
01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:39,080
is behind that one though.

2176
01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:44,320
And then the next one, the majority of

2177
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:46,080
Fairmont Creek is on private resort

2178
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:47,840
land. Will that be taken into

2179
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:51,239
consideration when the mitigation is

2180
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:51,239
done on it?

2181
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:55,040
» Um

2182
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:57,119
that it's on private land is considered

2183
01:40:55,040 --> 01:41:00,159
to a certain extent. Um the important

2184
01:40:57,119 --> 01:41:02,480
thing really is that

2185
01:41:00,159 --> 01:41:04,320
um the impacts of the debris flows that

2186
01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:07,040
come down Fairmont Creek are not just on

2187
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:10,600
private resort land. They're they're in

2188
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:10,600
the wider community

2189
01:41:12,639 --> 01:41:19,520
and water is

2190
01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:21,199
water is considered crown. However,

2191
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:23,119
it's the impact that we have to think

2192
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:24,960
about

2193
01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:27,960
and the impact again is in the

2194
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,960
community.

2195
01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:40,159
Um and then a statement afterwards

2196
01:41:38,159 --> 01:41:43,159
saying and water is federally

2197
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:43,159
controlled.

2198
01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:50,880
I'd just say yes um that that is

2199
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:53,360
something that's recognized is um

2200
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:54,960
depending on the type of water. Uh

2201
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:57,040
generally speaking, the federal

2202
01:41:54,960 --> 01:42:00,639
government is concerned when it's

2203
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:03,119
navigable waters or if it's with respect

2204
01:42:00,639 --> 01:42:06,400
to um like department of fisheries and

2205
01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:08,719
oceans and fish habitat. Um it's

2206
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:12,320
definitely something that um is

2207
01:42:08,719 --> 01:42:16,000
recognized is that water um falls under

2208
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:17,760
multiple jurisdictions and that's why um

2209
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:19,840
when we proceed with this there's

2210
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:24,320
different levels of government involved

2211
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:24,320
in the different stages and processes.

2212
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:32,239
Okay, we are uh we have no more qu open

2213
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:34,639
questions right now. There is one that I

2214
01:42:32,239 --> 01:42:37,760
did want to address that was sort of

2215
01:42:34,639 --> 01:42:41,119
earlier uh questioned and I answered it

2216
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:43,360
um privately to the asker. Um and it was

2217
01:42:41,119 --> 01:42:45,600
just about the water utility issues. Um,

2218
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:47,199
and the question was or the statement

2219
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:49,360
was the water utility issues are more

2220
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:51,520
immediate and should be looked at how

2221
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:54,880
the and and should be looked at how the

2222
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:56,719
RDK can support our failing system. And

2223
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:58,080
so the answer I I answered that

2224
01:42:56,719 --> 01:43:00,080
individual with Fairmont Hot Springs

2225
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:02,960
Utility. The reason I'm bringing this up

2226
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:05,280
is I I do know it's big for a lot of the

2227
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:07,280
people is privately owned and operated

2228
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:09,760
and falling under the regulation of the

2229
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:11,360
controller of water rights, Interior

2230
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:13,119
Health and the province. Uh

2231
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:14,880
consequently, the RDK does not have any

2232
01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:17,520
jurisdiction or authority and cannot

2233
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:20,239
intervene directly. However, um director

2234
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:23,040
Clochuk has been actively involved on

2235
01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:24,480
behalf of the customers of FHSU. Uh

2236
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:27,520
she's been reaching out to the office of

2237
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:29,280
the water controller and FHSU staff, the

2238
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:31,920
MLA and the Ministry of Water, Lands,

2239
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:34,239
and Resource Stewardship to advocate for

2240
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:36,480
the community's concerns to be heard and

2241
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:38,639
for actions to be taken to address them.

2242
01:43:36,480 --> 01:43:42,000
Um, the only reason I bring that up is I

2243
01:43:38,639 --> 01:43:44,560
believe that that answer may have gotten

2244
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:48,040
lost to that individual. So, I'm sorry

2245
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:48,040
to that individual.

2246
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:56,159
Okay. Yeah. And that's it. We have no

2247
01:43:51,600 --> 01:44:00,400
more open um questions any more. So, I'm

2248
01:43:56,159 --> 01:44:03,760
going to mute and allow either Karen or

2249
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:06,320
Susan to finish us off. So yeah, I'll

2250
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:08,159
just um I had a a few things I just

2251
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:10,400
wanted to highlight on this final slide

2252
01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:12,480
that you hopefully can see. Uh and then

2253
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:15,679
I'll pass it off to Susan to wrap up for

2254
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:18,080
the night. Um so again, just wanted to

2255
01:44:15,679 --> 01:44:20,960
to draw your attention if you have not

2256
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:24,639
already been on the engage page. Um we

2257
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:28,080
do have all three reports available on

2258
01:44:24,639 --> 01:44:30,400
uh the fair um debris mitigation page.

2259
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:34,239
Uh they will remain available in their

2260
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:35,920
entirety. Um so um we do recognize that

2261
01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:39,040
um they're large reports. There are

2262
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:42,320
three reports uh that people might want

2263
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:44,000
to um you know peruse them at their

2264
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:47,280
leisure. Uh so we'll keep them

2265
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:50,880
available. Um and also to recognize that

2266
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:52,800
um staff contacts so for the RDK and if

2267
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:54,320
you don't already have the information

2268
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:57,440
director Clostchuck's contact

2269
01:44:54,320 --> 01:45:00,880
information is also directly on those

2270
01:44:57,440 --> 01:45:02,960
pages. Uh so if you have questions

2271
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:06,400
you can either send them directly to

2272
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:09,600
staff or you um we will set it up so

2273
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:12,239
similar to the advanced questions where

2274
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:15,199
you could send a response just kind of

2275
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:18,239
uh generically uh to the page um we'll

2276
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:20,320
set up something similar um and then um

2277
01:45:18,239 --> 01:45:22,880
if you provide your contact information

2278
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:25,280
with that um we'll ensure it's set up

2279
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:27,760
that way um it will be able to be

2280
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:30,639
directed to the appropriate staff um and

2281
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:32,239
we will be able to respond to you. Is

2282
01:45:30,639 --> 01:45:34,320
that director club? Chuck, did you have

2283
01:45:32,239 --> 01:45:36,719
anything you'd like to finish on?

2284
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:38,320
» Yeah, I just I just would like to say

2285
01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:40,800
thank you to everyone who's

2286
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:42,800
participated, those at the uh at the

2287
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:45,600
Lion's Den and and those from the

2288
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:48,239
comfort of your homes um here on Zoom

2289
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:49,840
tonight. Your questions were great and

2290
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:52,800
they're really important and we want you

2291
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:54,480
to keep them coming. Uh, I think what

2292
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:58,880
I'm going to do is I'm going to ask

2293
01:45:54,480 --> 01:46:00,480
staff to um, you know, reflect on what

2294
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:03,840
we heard this evening and the questions

2295
01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:06,480
that were asked and provide um, maybe in

2296
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:08,719
some cases some more wholesome responses

2297
01:46:06,480 --> 01:46:11,040
uh, articulate those questions um, and

2298
01:46:08,719 --> 01:46:14,560
make them available also on the engage

2299
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:17,440
site. Um, and I really want to thank,

2300
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:20,480
you know, uh, all the staff that joined

2301
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:22,000
us this evening, Karen and Cara, uh,

2302
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:25,440
Christina for your bringing your

2303
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:27,360
expertise and and Ryan, who I failed to

2304
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:30,080
introduce, uh, at the beginning, uh,

2305
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:32,480
who's providing some support there for,

2306
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:34,880
uh, for Nathan as the as supporting the

2307
01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:37,119
the technology and making sure that we,

2308
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:38,639
we, uh, got everything done tonight that

2309
01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:40,719
we needed to get done. And of course the

2310
01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:43,360
consultants providing your expertise and

2311
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:45,600
knowledge and and hearing the concerns

2312
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:48,000
of the community um through the lens

2313
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:50,639
that you look at these issues on as well

2314
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:53,840
I think is is probably very valuable as

2315
01:46:50,639 --> 01:46:57,119
we move forward on where these projects

2316
01:46:53,840 --> 01:47:02,239
may end up. So again thank you so very

2317
01:46:57,119 --> 01:47:04,320
much and um we will uh just keep your

2318
01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:06,880
questions coming. that is the best way

2319
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:10,239
for us to do to do the work here and

2320
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:13,520
make sure that the community is is uh is

2321
01:47:10,239 --> 01:47:16,159
safe and and that the community members

2322
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:18,880
uh feel heard and respected throughout

2323
01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:20,159
this process. So, thanks again and enjoy

2324
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:22,400
the rest of your evening. And I know

2325
01:47:20,159 --> 01:47:24,800
it's going to feel really cold when

2326
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:27,440
Nathan just turns off the Zoom. We're

2327
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:29,119
all just going to disappear into the uh

2328
01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:30,719
into the ether and not it's not like

2329
01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:32,800
wandering out of a room and having a

2330
01:47:30,719 --> 01:47:34,719
chat in the hallway. So, it's it's going

2331
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:37,040
to feel really odd, but but thank you

2332
01:47:34,719 --> 01:47:40,239
again for your uh participation. Please

2333
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:43,520
don't hesitate to get in contact if you

2334
01:47:40,239 --> 01:47:45,679
uh need anything.

2335
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:48,239
» Okay. And um I'm not going to turn off

2336
01:47:45,679 --> 01:47:50,560
quite yet, Director Kchuk. So, you can

2337
01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:51,840
rest assured that we can just spend a

2338
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:54,080
few more moments together because there

2339
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:57,920
was one quick question um asked about

2340
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:59,679
making the maps more easily findable on

2341
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:01,520
the engage page. And yeah, we will

2342
01:47:59,679 --> 01:48:03,920
definitely uh work on that. And the

2343
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:06,239
engage page is great cuz we are changing

2344
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:08,719
it and updating it as much as we can. So

2345
01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:13,520
if you ever do see things on the engage

2346
01:48:08,719 --> 01:48:15,440
page that you want um or have any sort

2347
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:17,679
of input to the engage page, please let

2348
01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:19,199
us know and we will work on that um and

2349
01:48:17,679 --> 01:48:22,239
keep changing it up to make it the best

2350
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:23,760
we can. So thank you and um I hope

2351
01:48:22,239 --> 01:48:27,199
everyone has a great evening and thanks

2352
01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:27,199
for all your input.