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» Call the September 8th meeting of the
board of supervisors. Would you please

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rise and pledge the flag with us?
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.

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» Thank you. The board did meet prior to
tonight's meeting to discuss personnel

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and litigation matters.
Um,

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is there a motion to approve or amend
the agenda?

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» Make a motion to approve the agenda.
>> Second.

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All in favor signifi I. I.

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The board did meet also met for an
advertised public intermunicipal meeting

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with the sewer authority in August 24th,
2026. Draft minutes were taken by the

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sewer authority and will be presented
before their board for approval on

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September 28th and will be posted after
the October Board of Supervisors

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meeting.

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Okay. Is there a motion to approve or
amend the minutes of the August 11th,

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2026 meeting?
>> Make a motion to approve those minutes.

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I have it
and under special requests

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word should be polls.
>> Uh where's that at Dean?

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» Under special requests
sentencing I believe in parentheses it

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says to drive. Oh, good catch.
>> Okay.

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» So, it's your motion to
include that correction.

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» I second that.
>> Okay. You have a motion and second to

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amend the minutes of the August 11th
meeting. All those in favor of the

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amendment say no. I I
>> public comments at this time. Are there

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any?
>> Yes, sir.

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» the other one

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being shut down right now the amount of
traffic on extended is

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that's not a problem but the problem is
is the speed allows you to be over the

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come around the corner down below there
and they just hammer up the hill. I

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don't know how it is down
real fast but what they fly

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doesn't really have to watch anymore.

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It's it's ridiculous.
>> Yeah. when they get to the bottom corner

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slide out.
>> We will bring it up closely.

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» Thank you.
>> Any other comments?

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» Yes, sir.
>> Question.

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» Yes.

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real

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as well, but I'm just going to bring
a copy of this orbit for the

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feel of
that's important.

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That is correct.

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» Uh that would be my fault, but it was at
the front counter and the the law uh

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basically says that we have to have it
at the front counter. That was an

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oversight on my part to put it on the
website which is just a something that

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we do as a friendly community thing.
Yes. Very. Yes.

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» Um we put in the past we we've put big
ticket things uh on there like uh the

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data center stuff the overlay.
>> Um but prior to that no we have not.

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» Well, but I we wanted to do that going
forward and since I wasn't used to doing

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it, I missed it. So, that is my fault. I
should have put it up there.

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» So, there's one out there.
>> Here, I'll give up mine right now.

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» I have one.
>> Thank you.

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» No, it's a cop. It's It's a copy sitting
and [clears throat] then we make a copy

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for people.
>> Okay.

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» Yeah.
>> Would you like one right now, sir?

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a copy of the

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» Thank you for your comment. Any other
comments?

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» Okay, we'll move on with the agenda.
Special request

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5.1, the tax collector requests for an
exoneration for 190 Manchester Street in

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the amount of $58.54
for the reason of the property split per

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your county tax assessment.
I'd like to make a motion that we honor

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that exoneration for $58.54.
>> I'll second that.

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» Okay, we have a motion and a second. Is
there any discussion? And as for 190

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Manchester Street, Manchester, PA for
the vote. All in favor of the motion

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signify by saying I. I.
>> Motion carries. Westshore Wildlife C

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Center is requesting the township to
become a 27 municipal wildlife services

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partner through annual allocation of
$1,741.

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Is there anyone here from the Westshore
Wildlife Center?

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» It does say and I don't think there is,
but it says in their letter that if we

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want somebody to come, they will. So, if
you'd like to have someone come to a

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future meeting, I can reach out. Um,
that's up to you. I did. This got

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brought up at the last manager meeting
and it appears that only one

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municipality
actually donated or you know did what

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they requested. Um everybody else was
like uh we don't know what we're going

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to do yet. You know it seemed very up in
the air. I am going to let you know that

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in 2024
we did donate to them because they're

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local. Well, they're not in our
township, but they're the local uh

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wildlife uh center. They're in do. But
you guys donated pretty much $350.

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Um and then you didn't do it in 25.
Uh and I'm not sure why that was.

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» The the burning question I have is what
can they do for us that we don't already

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provide with our animal control officer
SPCA? Well, it appears this is for

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wildlife, whereas [clears throat] the
animal control officer is for dogs and

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then the shelter in contract with the
SPCI is also for dogs.

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» So then this would entail a skunk in
your window well or a raccoon that's

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rabbit or something,
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» What's the board's wishes?

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» [clears throat]
>> I'd be willing to contribute because it

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could help some of our residents given
the rural nature part of the township. I

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don't have a problem with doing 350 like
we did in 2024.

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Then we put in some line items for
donations and contributions. I'm

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wondering if uh 350 would do it because
they're asking for 1741.

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» Okay. and uh that's uh to be a partner
through the annual allocation. So um

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» correct in that
>> in so in that line item for

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contributions
you have you all lot $6,500 for 2026.

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You usually give the Lions Club for the
Halloween parade $5,000. You already

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distribute it uh 500 for the viron. So
that'll leave you uh with just a

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thousand on what you want to do. And the
only other things that's on that list is

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your county rail trail authority which
you already said you weren't going to

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donate to this year. So um it's up to
you guys. So you'll have $1,000 in that

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line item.
understand what they ask for, but you

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know there is no obligation that
some of our residents

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might need their service.

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If you wish to make a motion,
>> I'll make a motion that we

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$350 towards the west.

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» So,
my question would be how do they differ

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from the Pennsylvania game commission
other than it's hard to get commission

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to come out and do some of these things?

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» That's really described in the
letter start and uh have we have we

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needed those services in [clears throat]
the past? I don't remember.

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» When someone calls us for things like
this, um we give them like Mike Ellis's

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number. Um whatever we find on Google.
Yeah. The state game commission

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sometimes. Um and and we really don't
otherwise we don't get very many calls

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» for this. No.
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» More dead.
>> Yeah. have more dead animals if

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anything.
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we'll move on. That takes us down to the
emergency services report chief.

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» I don't think so.

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» And then you have to talk directly into
it. Just so you know, you might have to

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rotate it if you want to face this one.
>> There you go.

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» There you go, buddy.

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[laughter]

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» She was playing with [laughter]

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» Good evening. Uh, you should have the
fire chief report in there for the month

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of July
total. So, 42 calls

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total. 42 calls, 96.
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we did one later

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from the ladder had a fire

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to the hospital.
Uh, I don't have anything else to add

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other than the fire department into
their fall season, which means we're

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busy fire prevention.
our whole community.

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I'd be glad to answer any questions you
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» No, your report I don't have any
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thorough. Uh just one you got a report
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» I did. Well, uh it was sent out late
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I have my reported
usually around

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I know
state that's kind of close for her. So

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» thank you.
>> I do have one question. How do you like

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the new format of the system you're
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» Uh we're still getting used to a couple
things. Still tweaking a couple things,

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but it's a lot.
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» I think the data that it's
gonna be better.

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» Yeah.
>> Um I just I just want to add um that I

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did write Eagle um today that I did
forward their email um and report to you

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guys. I did that first thing this
morning. I emailed it to you, but I did

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remind them when that due uh date and
and time frame is um and to get it to

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Chief Stevens sooner because he combines
all the emergency service reports. And

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then additionally, I reminded them that
we never got their June report for

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August because they're what, two months,
we give the fire departments two months

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leeway. Yeah. Um, so, uh, just so you're
aware, we don't have June's reports

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still.
>> Is there anyone here for you?

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>> I just wanted to highlight that, uh,

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beyond uh, in addition to fighting fires
within the township and the burrows. Uh,

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his July report for adjusted meetings
and inspections that he goes to is

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pretty impressive. Uh, the Knox box of
checkers was inspected. reinspection of

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the automation department drive review
plans for motor tech

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uh came to our meeting county fire
chiefs associated meeting the photo

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conference for the gates at 1035 Memphis
Point Road the joint fire board meeting

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safety inspection of leg up farms
meeting the DHL safety committee walkth

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through for 84 signs road so chief thank
you for your your service to our

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township it's you have a busy busy
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» I I wouldn't be able to do it without
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Yeah. Well, don't say it too loud
because his head will get

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» I know.

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» Won't be able to fit the helmet.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.
>> Um, Deputy Chief Risha, I see you're

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here. Do you have any report for your
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I think you took a note about Canal
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» I did. Write that down. Um, that report
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vacation.

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» Any questions from anyone in the
audience?

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» They made a note of the speeding.
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» Wasn't me, was it?
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» Wasn't me.
You're not stopping. I came out and put

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it away so I could be here. And I come
around the corner, I see a car coming.

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So I go out the street because he's
going to stop. He didn't stop. So he

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does one of these around

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point. I mean the times I go through
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you're sitting there and watching and
you can't do

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» Can you do anything with cameras? I mean
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not stop sign cameras.
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» So you have to physically
flocks for traffic. Um but I mean you

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physically have to see someone blow
through the stop sign. You can't use

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» until someone changes the legislation.
>> But you took them.

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» Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you. Chief

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» and they're coming just as fast. I'm on
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fast down that way, too.
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park.

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on right there.
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» I seen you tonight standing there when I
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stopped.
>> Okay. Uh Christie, anything in your

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county emergency management agency?
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» I did not get a report. Um but uh I know
that Mike is working very hard um

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because he'll be here sometimes uh you
know into the night and things working

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on our plans just to be ready for the
tmi reopening. Um and he'll fill me in

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every once in a while. Uh but otherwise,
yep, he's just working on that. um so

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that he can start doing tabletops and
getting people together to start

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practicing.
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» any questions on the services?
>> Okay, that moves us down to a reszoning

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request has been filed by Kinley
Properties regarding 4390 board,

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Manchester Muscle Farm and uh
representatives for those It's all

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yours.

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» Good evening. Stage here on Enterprises

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Enterprises as well as representatives
from the

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family. Um, last time we saw you was
probably [snorts] May.

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We've been formally submitted since that
time. had the request reviewed by

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commission as well as the township
planning commission and we're here this

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evening to ask the board to consider
scheding public hearing on the request.

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So um what we have done obviously when
we were meeting with the board I believe

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in April and May we discussed um looking
at studying here that would retain a

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portion of the track for R1 res

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and a portion of the track for AO. So so
that is what we've done with this

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submission. Um so generally what we have
is we genally from that drainage ditch

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that enters through the property for
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boundary.
There is a small portion of industrial

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zone that goes out to some view road
that is not intended for any sort of

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access. As we've discussed all along,
any industrial access would be internal

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through Bartlett Drive, not up to Z
road. It's solely for purposes of being

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able to subdivide along future zoning
district boundaries and to be able to

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have the required lot width and road age
for that um future parcel of land. Then

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um the R1 zoning would um again match up
with the R1 zoning that is on the north

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side of Science View Road as well as
kind of being adjacent to the existing

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R2 lot. So you may recall that the
monster farm property includes with a

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small 4 and a half acre lot of land that
is zone R2. Um that is yeah right in

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that area there that is kind of uh
adjacent to existing um single family

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detach along road that the zoning of
that parcel is not changing and it would

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proposed um continued R1 zoning district
and then we would take the um A1 zone

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that is exist sorry AO zone that is the
church property extend that existing AO

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um zone into um church property. So I
say church property enterprises has

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actually acquired that parcel of land.
It is an L-shaped parcel of land that is

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um that purple
extends up along this where you see the

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cursor there. So the piece that extends
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East West is zone R1. The portion of it
that extends north south is zone AO

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currently. So we would take the AO kind
of into the site to mirror that existing

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AO and usually run along also the back
of the church, but we would not run the

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AO behind where you had existing single
family detached homes. So we repeat that

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R1 to match up the um proposed single
family detached homes with those single

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family detach homes. And ultimately um
what this results with is approximately

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35 and a half acres industrial a little
over 31 acres of AO and 22 acres of R1

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as well as um of course retaining the 4
and 12 acres of R2 that is already

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existing. Um, we felt this was an
appropriate combination that gives you

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the make sure that we talked about the
transition zone of AO up next to the

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industrial as well as that north water
property which is directly to the south.

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Um, and the church property which is of
course to the east continues the R1 zone

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to the south side road which is
something we heard from the board if you

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would desire to succeed but also puts
that industrial district up in the

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corner where you really are right in
between those two existing industrial

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facilities.
>> Um so I'll pause there I guess to see if

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there are comments um there from board
or the board um has specific questions.

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» Did you solidify right away for to go
into the industrial department?

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So the my understanding would actually
be onto the south side there.

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» So that would be your only
entrance egress into that.

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[clears throat]
>> It would be like a shared access drive

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and Kinsley owns this property here.
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» Yep.
>> So the main question is there will be

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zero trucks coming into Ford Road or to
Mount S.

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That's correct. And um the um kind of
the schematics, the sketches that I know

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Mike and his team have been playing
with, there is absolutely no connection

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between the industrial development and
the residential development,

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» right? But those trucks will still come
up signs road once gets connected out

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the signs.
>> Yeah, they'll come up and turn right

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into the industrial complex.
And they still have the right to go

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straight forward and go to George
Street, too.

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» Yeah. They'll be able to go out George
because that's a truck route. They just

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can't use road.
Okay.

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That will impact
truck traffic on George Street somewhat.

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And is there any concern of the share
access that industrial property

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» the share of the access

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to the south?
>> Yes. Understand that it's properties on

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both sides. It's not a problem to
>> we don't concern that. It would just be

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a waiver uh in the land development
stage to you guys.

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» And from an emergency standpoint, Chief,
any issues?

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» Honestly, Bo, go ahead, Chief. But I was
thinking the

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this would be the emergency access.
>> No, I understand. I mean,

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it's the only way in, but that's usually
you only have one way into a place. The

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issue is whether you can get around the
building, right?

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at least two access points
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» but you can't get that because the only
place you would have road treatment

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zones for emergency
right because you can't that other

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property that goes up to Bart belongs to
some other individual who would not give

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you
>> that's the current you know that's the

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current situation obviously we're we're
not the main development yet so that's

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whole process where we can continue to
explore what might be needed from an

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emergency services standpoint.
>> So you haven't approached the owner of

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that property.
>> There has been a prior approach to the

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owner of that property, but you know
that's a prior approach.

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» Okay.

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» Any staff questions?
I don't have any questions

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» members

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commission approved this request.
>> Our planning commission of York County

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[clears throat]
that's one that I have trouble signing.

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» So if I if I can I can kind of maybe you
through um the three points from your

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county planning commission that they had
in their

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you obviously saw it, but um and then we
did discuss those points. Obviously,

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please use the township planning
commission when we were in front of them

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as well. Um so, county really had three
points that they made in their letter.

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Um one is that this isn't fully
consistent with your future land use

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map. I think we all know that. Um we did
have discussions of that with the

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township planning commission. I think it
was just an acknowledgement that um we

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has changed since that map was adopted
and that this would be generally

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consistent with other um objectives in
your comprehensive plan. Um they

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mentioned the fact that it's an security
area. I mean I know that this board

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knows that doesn't stop a resial or
development of the property. In fact the

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gross farm on the north side is design
is also an area. So that was just

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something I think that your county
mentioned just as a factor or something

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for awareness. And then your county
planning commission was concerned that

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the reszoning follow identifiable parcel
boundaries. And we talked with your

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planning commission about that as well
that should the property be resoneed,

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the intention is to then subdivide along
these partial boundaries so that you do

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end up with
um so many districts that do paralle

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road is to provide um your zone or is
necessary

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so that that can be subdivided into a
separate parcel and now you have a

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parcel that's own industrial and that
addresses that county planning

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commission comment. We can likewise
subdivide

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excuse me so that you have you know
basically your zoning district following

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separate parcels and that would happen
and you know if the board were to

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approve the reszoning um that's
something that then immediately would

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follow on that and that was one of I
think the one of the conditions that

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recommendation for approval is that
subdivision [clears throat]

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then would follow

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So with the industrial
make sure I understand is you extended

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that one because it follows the natural
boundary must come right

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» and then two it gives you enough road
frontage where you could off that

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particular piece of property and access
it from side to

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» no not access only your zoning ordinance
requires for a parcel to be a standalone

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parcel, then you need to have lot and
lot is defined as heavy.

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» So then it would be so [snorts] if you
put two buildings in there, you have

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more shared drive down.
>> Yeah, it's not large enough for I don't

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believe for two buildings, but yeah, the
idea is just that

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» Oh, sorry. Now I get it. My apologies.
You don't have to explain anymore. You

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can actually
Sorry.

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» Is there any estimated numbers for how
many apartments or how many individual

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homes would be put on that R1?
>> I mean, I know it could be three, but

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could it be up to 50 or 100?
>> The R1

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we're [clears throat] looking
Um I don't know about how many like 40

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» 34 homes in the R1. The um AO is really
limited. You have a 25% lot coverage in

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the AO. So we have it might build

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too many more because

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So the your hop zone has a number of
factors that while it may seem like a

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lot of acreage because of the factors in
your air will limit the density that you

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can have in that zoning district. So the
buildings themselves of course are

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limited in resource and height and 125
ft in length. So you can't do any of

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those really super big long apartment
buildings thing we talked about maybe

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planning commission talking about that
with that for example that large engine

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co multifamily building that I think is
a whole burrow you couldn't do something

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like that in your zoning district um the
other factor the really big limiting

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factor is your coverage which is 25%
so 25% coverage till you put buildings

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and parking and access drives um you're
limiting what is available for actual

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vertical construction

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» and would the R1 tie in design view and
board rate?

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» Yes. So the the R1 and the A1 would be
um our expectation it would be

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interconnected. So there would be an
access to size view and an access out to

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B road so that you could for the
residential component you would have two

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points of interest and address for the
residential um for the residents of the

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community for fire and emergency
services.

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» Thank you.
>> Sure.

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» Any other questions?

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» I do have a question. Um Stacey, did you
investigate the impact on the school

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district taxes with the apartment office
and R1?

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» So, um I would say we investigate the
impact on taxes. I will say that um and

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I think I mentioned this in the
application, we did take a look at just

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generally historical enrollment which
has um seen some growth in your school

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district but not nearly as much as some
of the other um school districts in the

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area. But additionally, um Kinsley has
some similar apartment projects as to

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what they would be doing here and really
looking at the apartment component of

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it. um similar projects with one to two
bedrooms. They have about 8% of those

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units actually have school age children.
So we we recognize that um yes we are

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looking at maybe about 35 single family
homes. That's really where school age

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children are primar primarily going to
reside very limited percentage of the

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apartments are anticipated they actually
have school age children. Does the

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school district count those though in
whatever equation they come up with? So

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regardless of that Okay.
>> Yeah. So the school district does

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comprehensive planning every few years
and they look at your um zoning and they

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have anticipated growth for the area
that they um you know look into and

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consider in their longrange.

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I'm going
>> the other thing and reading through you

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also mentioned about the amendment to
the comprehensive plan and also about

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housing needs in York County from York
County Planning Commission and I looked

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through that information and basically
they're saying we need more affordable

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housing

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not necessarily we need more investments
>> and and I would be I will say

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affordable. I I'm always cautious about
using that term because right um I I

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would say attainable housing a lot of
times. So attainable housing meaning

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housing that um young professionals or
young people can afford or that

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sometimes older people can afford or
maybe people who aren't living on um you

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know a a salary that can afford a 450
000,

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» right? Because the living wage in New
York is close to 20 bucks an hour,

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» right? And then when you read about
those things,

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it talks about like apartments being
within walking distance of a lot of

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services. And while I could see how you
probably tie that in to somewhat, you

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still got to cross George Street to get
to things and get down the giant if you

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want to like that walking community type
of deal. So I struggle with that a

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little bit too.
Again, where I struggle with the most is

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really industrial space.

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» Well, definitely on the um walkability.
I mean certainly um it puts any workers

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there in close proximity to a lot of
jobs. Um but I I do understand, you

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know, trying to get there. Maybe that's
something during the land development

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process we can look at um walking
corridors,

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» walking corridors, bus routes and and
things of that nature because I can

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certainly understand, you know, if you
go back to what

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county needs, not that this township
needs to solve that problem, you know,

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but you do point out that that's
something to be factored in and that's

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what really jumped out through that, I
guess. you know there spend a lot of my

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time used to anyway he's working up in
New York City you know the one guy lived

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on Staten Island so for him when I say
like oh in the car I got to go hear him

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yeah I do all that within walk distance
of my house

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» obvious

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Well, again [clears throat]
the best of all these different worlds

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here. It provides some of that
affordable housing. It keeps some of

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your R1 across the street from the R1,
but it also does bring in a small amount

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of additional industrial will offset any
um maybe burden um taxes that might come

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about. from the resoning to um
residential

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know that the invest will certainly
shoot out some some bas

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it's that kind of balloon mentality push

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so we know that if you build a bunch of
houses you know the factors were like

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2.58 people in a household
planning information. So that suggests

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at least one child. So the school when
you look at that it said the school's

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enrollment over the past couple years is
slightly declined. But you build you

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know that out one half acre lots. I
think you said 40 homes and 30 acres if

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I got it right. So that would suggest,
you know, probably maybe over 100 homes,

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which could mean the school might have
to expand, but it depends on when they

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all show up. And then that additional
infrastructure certainly on solar

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authority going off of memory, for some
reason, I thought it had like 2500 EU

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left in it based on the report I was
looking at. And so one EDU is a

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household, 250 gallons. So ultimately
that puts some strain on the solar

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authority understanding of course the
developer would be developing all that

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but tying into that system ultimately
probably use up the majority use I think

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that's certainly a significant portion
and so that plays into it

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just kind of thinking through all the
issues

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I don't think I have

435
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:58,160
Okay. Okay. I'm I'm I feel obligated to
ask. I think I know the answer, but is

436
00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:01,599
the Musers okay with this type of plan?
>> Sorry.

437
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:05,200
» Um, are you guys okay with this type of
plan?

438
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:09,599
» Are we okay with this plan? Absolutely.
>> Okay. I I knew that answer, but I I have

439
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:14,880
to ask.
It's what we believe meets the

440
00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:20,960
township's needs and the families the
property will be sold.

441
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:26,160
» So it's a matter of what can be done and
we respect the Kinsey family enough to

442
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:31,200
make those decisions as well.
>> Okay. Thank you.

443
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:38,079
I'd like to make a motion that we
authorize NPL Law Firm to advertise for

444
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:44,320
a hearing to adopt the reszoning request
for the properties on 4390 Board Road,

445
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:49,359
Manchester, PA. I'm going to read off
the partial numbers for you.

446
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:53,280
» You got them. Okay,
>> the following partial numbers there uh

447
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:58,000
for a hearing for the board of
supervisors meeting on October 13th.

448
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:02,560
» I'll second that motion. We have a
motion and a second. Is there any

449
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:07,839
further discussion?
All those in favor signify by saying I.

450
00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:11,000
» Motion carries. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

451
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,839
» Andy, that takes us to your report.

452
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:29,440
The first item on my report this evening
is ordinance 2026-5.

453
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:36,640
Uh this is an ordinance that will repeal
the per capita tax in the township.

454
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:39,640
This has been advertised for adoption
and

455
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,480
I said

456
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:52,000
action.
>> Okay. And that will go in effect on

457
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:56,240
January.
>> Yes, that's that's correct.

458
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:59,839
» For the year.7 would be effective
January 1.

459
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:04,640
» Okay.
I make a motion that we approved

460
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:09,359
ordinance 2026-5.
I'll second that. We have a motion to

461
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:15,480
second discussion.
All in favor signify saying I. I. Motion

462
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,480
carries.

463
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:21,520
Yes.
>> Yes.

464
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:25,920
I know you guys have decided to do this,
but

465
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:31,280
I don't understand why.
>> I mean, it's nice to get a tax break,

466
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:35,720
but this money coming in
you tax.

467
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:43,040
» I'll let our managers explain
[clears throat] the reason.

468
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,960
» Sure. Hold on. I'm just grabbing my
notes here. I don't have to speak

469
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:53,200
anything.
Okay. So, I'm just going to recap some

470
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:58,640
items. Um, and this was discussed in
several meetings.

471
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:04,640
» No, it's it's okay. Um, but uh pretty
much in a nutshell, we had uh our tax

472
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:12,400
collector Kathy
uh put together statistics for us to

473
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:19,839
assess uh the facts uh surrounding this
per capita tax. And uh we also asked our

474
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:26,560
attorney several questions. He gave us a
lot of information. There's uh the local

475
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:32,560
tax enabling act puts caps on several
taxes including the income per capita

476
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:38,079
and local services tax. And the statute
then has a provision that says if two

477
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:44,319
tax authorities levy the same tax, in
this case it's the school district and

478
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:50,160
the township, each levy $10 per capita,
but you only you half it. So that's why

479
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:59,200
we would get $5 and school district gets
$5 per person. Um and and that's for as

480
00:43:55,599 --> 00:44:04,640
so long as both collect it. Uh Kathy did
some research for us. It turns out of

481
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:11,040
all the municipalities
um that that are a part of Northeastern

482
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:16,640
School District, only East Manchester
Township until now uh and Manchester

483
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:24,240
Burough were the only two left still
assessing that tax uh on residents

484
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:29,280
» uh the per capita tax. school districts
were the ones that were only ones that

485
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:35,200
were doing it, but it was this couple
school districts.

486
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:40,480
» Uh so what we found out was that um the
northeastern school district did not

487
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:45,280
take over. So according to that law, if
one gets rid of their half, the school

488
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,720
district in this case could say, "Well,
we want the township's half from those

489
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:54,319
residents now." And technically you
wouldn't be getting a tax break. But we

490
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:58,640
learned that if they do that, the board
can reinstate that per capita tax so

491
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:03,599
that we get the funds instead of the
school district. But history shows that

492
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:08,079
they actually have not taken other
municipalities

493
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:12,880
half uh the other municipalities that
got rid of it. Um, so that would be

494
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:17,440
Goldsboro Burough, York Haven Burough,
Mount Wolf Burough, Konowago Township,

495
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:20,800
and Newberry Township all eliminated
their per capita tax and the school

496
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:24,480
district did not take the half.
>> So we're still going to get a $5 per

497
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:29,599
capita tax for school
>> for the school district. Yep.

498
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:33,920
» Correct. Um, and so
>> I don't see why you guys don't

499
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:38,400
» Well, and that Well, it's not very much
money. Um, so we actually were only

500
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:44,400
collecting
after, you know, delinquents and all the

501
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:49,200
mailing and the chasing and all of that
stuff. We were only getting about uh

502
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:53,520
$25,000
uh from it when it's set said and done

503
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:58,400
for something that's a very laborous
collection between our tax collector and

504
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,760
the delinquent tax company.
>> And the difference there, right, is the

505
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:04,720
school district includes with her other
school taxes. So, it's not a separate

506
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:10,319
bill that goes out.
>> That very good point. That is correct.

507
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:17,599
Um, ours is a separate bill and so it's
harder to get people they assume that

508
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:22,160
what they're already paying Kathy for
the taxes is already roping in that per

509
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:26,480
capita and it's not. It's separate. So,
it gets ignored very often. So, our

510
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:31,680
percentage rate for who doesn't pay it
is high, pretty high. Um and

511
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,079
» the economics made sense,
>> right?

512
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:39,520
» To to move forward,
>> but but uh that that's why we could

513
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:43,079
always we could always, you know,
collect it again.

514
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:52,720
» That's true.
>> The other piece of [laughter]

515
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:58,880
as you know, we did increase our taxes
last year, which took effect this year.

516
00:46:56,079 --> 00:47:03,680
So that factored that small amount into
the overall equation of it and so again

517
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:07,599
the economics were really the driving
decision. So

518
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,599
» thank you.
>> Yep.

519
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,839
» And 8.2 resolution.

520
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:24,760
Next then is uh resolution 2026-10

521
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:36,599
which is the employee handbook updates
and those were distributed to and that

522
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:36,599
resolution is ready for

523
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:47,119
any questions from the board or any
concerns about the employee handbook

524
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:52,079
revision.
Okay.

525
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:57,040
And I'll make a motion that we adopt
resolution 2026-10.

526
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:01,920
» I'll second that.
>> We have a motion to second discussion.

527
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:05,839
All in favor call by saying I.
>> I.

528
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:12,480
» Motion carries.
Uh the the only thing I will add is that

529
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:19,440
one there's one item in that handbook
amendment as you already know um because

530
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:25,760
it was uh employee matter uh discussion
with our solicitor. Uh so I can't say

531
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:32,720
very much but um that we received a
anonymous letter um about an employee

532
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:38,480
and after investigation it was found
that that employee is in fact not in

533
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:44,079
violation of any of our handbook uh
policies nor are they in violation of uh

534
00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:50,160
the amendments to the policy which
actually got stronger. Um but I just

535
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:54,280
wanted to mention that
>> I appreciate that.

536
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,280
» Yep.

537
00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:07,040
» Okay. Uh moving on then. Uh next is
approval of the way temporary

538
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:13,920
construction easements. Uh these have
been uh executed. So this is a

539
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:19,000
ratification by the board. Uh that is
necessary.

540
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,000
perissor

541
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:34,640
construction.
>> Correct. To ratify. Yep.

542
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:39,480
» I'll make a motion that we authorize the
chairman sign temporary construction.

543
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:47,839
» I'll second.
Motion second. to discussion.

544
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:51,559
All those vote in favor signify by
saying I.

545
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:51,559
» I.

546
00:49:52,160 --> 00:50:01,119
» And then
along with that Christian, you had on

547
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:05,760
the agenda the floor plan.
>> Oh yes. Yes. Um

548
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:13,599
that
let me just get that up here for you

549
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:22,319
guys. that came today uh for Shane to
look at. Uh but basically it's espresso

550
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:26,720
ways you as we all know we were the
permitting

551
00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:34,319
uh municipality for with pendot to
obtain uh uh work a work permit for

552
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:40,559
improving espresso way but handover
company is going to do the work and they

553
00:50:37,359 --> 00:50:49,680
also came up with the detour plan
um and they gave us two plans And so for

554
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:55,040
obvious reasons, you're going to see
that we don't recommend one of them and

555
00:50:52,079 --> 00:51:01,200
it was an oversight from handover
company. And then the other side is what

556
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:05,880
we recommend you approving. Um, as soon
as I get it here. Hold on one second.

557
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:15,839
I have so many emails, guys.
And then and Shane Shane if you could

558
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,760
please take over that
discussion.

559
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,079
» Can you give it up?
>> Yeah. Yeah.

560
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:28,960
» Start the next one.
>> Oh, okay. Sure.

561
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,079
Yeah. This is the one for obvious
reasons that

562
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:38,640
» Yes. This one here. I know it's hard to
see. Um, so they're going to be closing

563
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:43,359
espresso away from the last driveway at
Canal.

564
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:47,359
That detour plan there includes Ford
grade as a detour route and we can't do

565
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:51,680
that. It's already going to be a no
truck route right start

566
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:56,079
» right [clears throat]
>> and it can't be shorter and simpler

567
00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:04,240
which they did for the second.
>> So we would reject that proposal

568
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:10,640
» as soon as I get it here. There we go.
>> Yeah, this one's very simple. It's just

569
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:14,880
Willow Springs at Canal is
>> pretty much your next best shot and

570
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:20,960
that's what they do there. So Willow
Springs department and

571
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:24,640
» or or back out down Willow Springs to
connect one way either way. So

572
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:30,200
» they're not going to they're not going
to take them up through Canal extended.

573
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:38,800
No, it shouldn't need that at all to get
just because they closed that one area.

574
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:44,720
» Yeah. Yeah.
The only thing we're detouring there is

575
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:49,400
that little piece of closure.
>> When did this construction take place?

576
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:59,760
» This year from what we understand,
>> uh, it appears so. Byron, do you know?

577
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:02,760
My understanding is this year's
hand.

578
00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:11,599
» Yeah.
>> Resources.

579
00:53:06,319 --> 00:53:18,240
» I mean, we had our deadline hard to get.
>> Yeah. He also explained to me today um

580
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:22,480
had not they're not pushing for the the
complete closure of it, but they would

581
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:26,640
like that because let them work with
unencumbered, right? And they should

582
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:32,000
they should pass down in six weeks if
they can.

583
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:35,599
» And then on the heels of that
>> I'm the six weeks.

584
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:39,520
» Yeah. [laughter]
Five count.

585
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:42,640
» Um so on the heels of that then will
will those springs become the culdeac we

586
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,640
designed?
>> I'm going to say not this year. We're

587
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:50,880
beyond paving season by then.
>> Plus now I miss not being on vacation.

588
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:55,760
Um
>> okay. I I want to speak with them about

589
00:53:53,599 --> 00:54:00,240
that to see when they do the canal road
project

590
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:05,440
if I can also tie our closure into that
at the same time of the extension the

591
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:08,240
betterment process the whole way out to
the trail.

592
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:11,920
» Yeah. So hopefully while they're working
down there makes it easier on us to

593
00:54:10,319 --> 00:54:14,960
close out in the road while they're down
there already working anyway. So

594
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:19,680
» yeah because give them a place to park
their equipment too close.

595
00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:23,119
» There you go. Yeah. Yep. Yep. to keep
them out that bare road could be used

596
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,000
for
>> parking their stuff for a while.

597
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:32,640
» Okay.
>> Yeah. So, I'm hoping spring or

598
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:38,079
» but bottom line is is expressway should
get done this year

599
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:45,200
» and then Willow Springs the following.
Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Uh if I could

600
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:50,000
have a motion uh to reject the board
road proposal and to accept the Willow

601
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:56,160
Springs proposal.
>> Make a motion to reject the

602
00:54:53,920 --> 00:55:05,720
detour that
uses board road and to accept the detour

603
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:05,720
that uses Florida and Willow Springs.

604
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:12,599
I'll second a motion. Motion second.
Further discussion.

605
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,200
All in favor signif.
>> I

606
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:29,599
man.
Next on my agenda is the deeds of

607
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:36,079
dedication for manor. Uh and this is to
complete some road in front of the set

608
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:43,720
of town houses. their deeds of
dedication uh in your materials for

609
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:43,720
board for 4247

610
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:53,240
George 4247

611
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,760
road

612
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:06,160
» and so is this to make more
>> yeah this is I believe this is just for

613
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:10,720
widening the supposed to be done as part
of this house development in the first

614
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:14,359
place
over a decade ago.

615
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:21,079
» Is that
been there what 10 years?

616
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:26,119
Is that the is that the

617
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:33,680
pile of dirt still in front of us?
>> That's that's actually what pressured

618
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:38,400
them just to this. Yeah. Go ahead, Kate.
Let them know what you what you did

619
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:43,200
there. That's your
>> received complaints about animals, I

620
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:48,400
guess, hiding in this weed pile. Where's
the dirt pile? So, I had to send them a

621
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:52,480
uh violation letter for high grass and
weeds. And that's kind of where it all

622
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:55,839
started. It was just
going after that. So I started fighting

623
00:56:54,480 --> 00:57:01,680
him and then
>> he was asking what he needed to do and

624
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:08,640
uh he trimmed it down and she explained
to me why the dirt piles there

625
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:11,599
» for future building of the top soil.
>> Yeah,

626
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:17,440
» but it's been there for 10 years,
>> right? Um so we were giving him an

627
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:23,680
ultimatum of either remove the top soil
pile or start making progress on this

628
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:31,960
» and that's what he's doing. Okay. So,
all right. Somebody motion motion to

629
00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:31,960
approve the deeds of dedication.

630
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:47,319
I'll make a motion that we authorize the
chairman signed of dedication for

631
00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:47,319
department along.

632
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:56,160
» I'll second that. Okay. Commission
second. Any

633
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,200
further discussion?
Seeing none, all in favor of the motion

634
00:57:57,839 --> 00:58:02,200
sign say I.
>> I.

635
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:14,400
» And then Christy, when you when you have
this signed, would you be able to

636
00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:17,280
circulate the PDFs of them back to you
at

637
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:20,559
» Who is it?
>> Chris Schwab.

638
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:24,079
» Oh, is he the one who took over the
project from John? Yes,

639
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:27,079
» Chris Schwab.
>> Yes,

640
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:34,640
» even if you just
>> If I see an email from him, I'll put him

641
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:39,280
in on it. But if not, then yeah, I'll
have you do it.

642
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:42,640
» Oh, okay. No problem.
>> Sold these. I got to be notorious.

643
00:58:41,975 --> 00:58:47,440
[laughter]
>> Correct.

644
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:52,160
I have a lot of signatures that I need.
The next item on my agenda then moving

645
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:59,200
on is the sewer authority
intergovernmental agreement.

646
00:58:55,280 --> 00:59:03,119
This is an agreement that
has been hanging out there for several

647
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:10,079
years
for Manchester Bur

648
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:15,400
Township uh to agree on some of the
specific terms for the operation

649
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,400
authority

650
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:23,520
including districts
and

651
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:27,680
some other
uh

652
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:33,040
The sewer authority is asking for
comments from each of municipalities

653
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:40,000
agreement circulated
2120s

654
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:46,640
that did not get executed but had most
of the comments in to that point.

655
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:52,079
So
what I would ask for

656
00:59:49,359 --> 01:00:00,240
from the board at this time and from the
comments that received back from the

657
00:59:54,160 --> 01:00:05,760
board, I believe the comments that the
township would

658
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:12,160
like to forward
authority in addition to the changes

659
01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:19,040
that were in there before. uh would be
to increase the board membership to

660
01:00:15,839 --> 01:00:22,640
membership potential four members in the
board.

661
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:27,319
And then
also on the

662
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:38,799
potential termination and dissolution of
the authority that that be by a majority

663
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:43,599
vote of the authority board as well as
an affirmative

664
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:47,920
vote of municipalities. So two of the
municipalities.

665
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:51,720
I think the next step would be to
prepare those comments

666
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,640
and agreement.

667
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:16,160
The one other comment I do have is when
I look back at this

668
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:21,520
board membership byation
of the authority so

669
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:26,760
that
agreement

670
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,760
agreement

671
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:34,400
change
agreement

672
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:39,160
the remain
revisions from 2021

673
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:45,640
back at that time. I proposed

674
01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:57,520
» I think what we would
ask for we would prefer that Andy work

675
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:04,480
through
the solicitor of super to

676
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:09,119
work between them getting our
recommendation for

677
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:14,880
» I would agree.
Do you need a motion?

678
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:18,400
» If you want me to if you want me to make
the changes and bring them back to the

679
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:23,319
board first, I can do that. If you want
me to go ahead and send them now, I can

680
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,319
do that.

681
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:31,839
» Yeah. Now, I think this bottom line is
if there's something else that comes up,

682
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:35,280
this is a process, right? That's not
what's

683
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:39,920
» Yeah, there there will be another
>> So you need a motion in order to trigger

684
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:45,400
the release of
>> Yeah.

685
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,400
motion forward.

686
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:54,160
» Um I make a motion that we authorize
attorney Miller to release our comments

687
01:02:51,200 --> 01:03:00,240
to the inter municipal agreement to the
store authority council.

688
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:05,200
» I'll second that. Okay, we have a motion
in a second for discussion. I'd like to

689
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:11,280
let the audience know that we're basing
this basically on edu.

690
01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:16,000
Um we feel that the township has a lot
more customers than the two bureaus and

691
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:22,559
uh
we want to reflect that in the voting

692
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:26,640
edus andor the actual revenue
>> actual revenue

693
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:31,039
» because commercial and industrial are
charged different rates than what

694
01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:36,319
individuals.
>> Yes.

695
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:40,480
So we will have to if the two burers
reject this to go back to the drawing

696
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:44,160
board.
>> Again it's a process.

697
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:48,640
» Okay.
>> So I'll call for the vote. All in favor

698
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:52,039
of the motion signify say I
>> motion carries.

699
01:03:53,280 --> 01:04:04,079
Next then is the fire company use
ordinance. This will be an ordinance

700
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:12,960
that would authorize and allow
fire company to

701
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:17,160
collect fees or calls that go in calls
or false alarm calls.

702
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:27,599
allow for a fee structure for that.
I'm bringing this back. I believe

703
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:32,480
Christy is working and chief is working
on

704
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:37,200
some of these fees
yet putting that schedule together.

705
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:41,520
» We do have it, Andy. I just forgot to
send it to you. Um but the board did uh

706
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:44,799
see it in their books.
>> Okay.

707
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:50,799
» Um I can forward that to you though.
It's not in a It's not in our format.

708
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:54,880
Um, it's raw. I just didn't have a
chance. It still looks good though.

709
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:59,599
Thank you. I love the colors. It makes
it easier to read.

710
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:02,839
» So, this is about getting
>> the reinforcement.

711
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:12,079
» Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah. The ordinance is Yeah, the

712
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:19,440
ordinance has not been uh advertised
yet. So, that would the next step. Uh we

713
01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:25,680
did also I believe
uh last month we had the question of

714
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:31,839
whether we wanted to authorize emergency
services to collect fees in excess of

715
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:39,599
available insurance proceeds uh when
there is a a claim that can be made. Uh

716
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:44,480
and my understanding was the board
did not want to do that but wanted the

717
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:50,240
collections limited to available
insurance proceed. So you did make that

718
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:53,240
change at the top of page seven in
section

719
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:58,359
it does

720
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,960
limit those

721
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,720
questions.

722
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,039
Yes. That was just

723
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:26,720
information.
>> Yes. And the fee schedule will be

724
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:34,400
established by resolution. So we will
put together a separate fee resolution

725
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:41,359
for that to adopt that fee schedule.
>> And I want to just add that um what

726
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:45,039
chief came up with um for uh what did we
call it like a re it's re I hate to call

727
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:48,240
it a fee schedule. It's more like a
reimbursement of service or

728
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:55,760
» recovery
>> recovery. That's it. Um but this is

729
01:06:52,640 --> 01:07:00,079
what other uh fire department or
municipalities have adopted for their

730
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:04,559
fire departments. Um so the the fee
structure follows that closely. Uh

731
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:07,559
correct?
>> Yep.

732
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:14,160
» Yeah. Yeah. He didn't pull these out of
thin air, I think, is what I'm trying to

733
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:18,440
say here. It came from
>> correct we looked at

734
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,760
» correct

735
01:07:37,771 --> 01:07:39,791
[clears throat]

736
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:49,680
» Okay. different.
>> So you need to advertise.

737
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:56,680
» Yeah. If you want to move forward with a
motion to advertise the ordinance and

738
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,680
then a separate motion to authorize it.

739
01:07:57,359 --> 01:08:02,200
» I like I make a motion that

740
01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:14,400
» I'll second a motion. We have another.
>> So we have a motion, a second. Is there

741
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:19,359
any discussion?
>> All in favor signify by saying I.

742
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:28,080
» I. And then the next part is he needs a
motion. I'll make this motion to draft

743
01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:32,279
the resolution with the fee schedule
for the ordinance.

744
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,480
» Yes.
>> Okay. We have a motion to second

745
01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:40,719
discussion. You had to use red and
green.

746
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:43,279
All right.
On your chart.

747
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:46,880
» Couldn't you see it?
>> No.

748
01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:49,279
» Hold [clears throat] Steve.
>> On my computer. I can't say. Did you

749
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:55,759
call it?
>> No. All in favor signify by saying I

750
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:58,000
» I couldn't leave because it's
>> Are you color block?

751
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:02,239
» Well, maybe.
>> Okay. [laughter]

752
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:05,920
» You should tell me. Then I won't use
that color.

753
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:08,000
What color would you like?
>> Yeah. [clears throat] What would you

754
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:11,520
like to see?
>> Well, that's actually a good cue. If you

755
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:15,279
wanted to sign something, do it in red
and green.

756
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:19,040
» My my predecessor could not see I think
red and green.

757
01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:23,759
» He thought the green the grass looked
like red, like it was on fire. He said

758
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:28,719
» as long as they don't change the uh
traffic lights.

759
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:34,640
» Turn them upside down.
>> The uh the last thing on my agenda then

760
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:41,359
is just uh
fire company and proposed fire

761
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:49,960
to establish
authority and responsibility for fire

762
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:49,960
chief. My understanding is that previous

763
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:10,640
Okay.
>> I mean, that's me, but I'm one of three.

764
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:17,360
So,
I didn't go back and repeat again.

765
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:19,920
» All right. Motion to table until that
meeting.

766
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:22,920
» I second
favor.

767
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:32,480
» And that's that's all I have.
>> Any questions for Andy?

768
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:36,880
» No.
Okay, Byron.

769
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:41,840
» Uh, first item on my list is Mo Street
pipe work.

770
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:48,159
Again, we haven't started pipe work in
our area. I did talk with one of the

771
01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:53,920
contractors. U he is going to be
starting hopefully next week the water

772
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:58,080
man relocate. They have to water to
relocate portion of the water man in

773
01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:04,080
that area. So, he's doing that and I
actually at York excavated.

774
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:08,560
So I worked I kind of worked with him
just gave him some information regarding

775
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:13,360
our sue that he never heard salt from
pandot so that he's more comfortable

776
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:21,040
where the he didn't know the gas and and
the sewer line on top of one another and

777
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:24,880
it's kind of how it's actually but um he
didn't know they were touching so I just

778
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,960
kind of shaping my head courtesy heads
up

779
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:32,800
» so they're supposed to start that
portion

780
01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:32,800
» as far as the kind of red storms

781
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:38,560
I think Chrissy was called a few times,
but

782
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:42,800
they're waiting for I guess the water
first.

783
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:47,280
Um,
Will Springs called the sack. Shane gave

784
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:55,400
me all his information.
Uh I have the draft ready to go back

785
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,400
change information.

786
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:09,320
» Uh do we
did we decide what kind of gate we want

787
01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:09,320
here? Senator

788
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:23,360
come down late.
Well, I think I think we wanted to go

789
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:31,760
all our future gates beside activated
and we can do an extended uh solar panel

790
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:36,320
get it out of the shade and
underground wire to the

791
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:41,520
Yeah, we could probably pull I was
thinking electric and that's where I

792
01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:43,280
knew you wanted. You know what I mean?
But let me check on that.

793
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,280
» Right.
>> Yeah.

794
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:49,679
just calls out.
>> Yes.

795
01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:54,480
» So
>> that's why

796
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:58,640
» so we we have a little more flexibility.
>> I just want to come back to the focus

797
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:03,120
that we have or I guess the goal we have
is if we're putting data center in one

798
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:06,080
remote control.
>> Yeah.

799
01:13:05,679 --> 01:13:09,679
» Right.
>> Right.

800
01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:13,760
» And so if we can power them up with a
solar panel that's going to provide

801
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:18,560
enough power, great. If not, then
they're going to be paying electric

802
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:23,120
» and paying to install electric, too,
right? But in the grand scheme of

803
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:28,640
things, that's a small price to pay to
get that kind of access, right?

804
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:33,520
» Yeah. Yeah. Usually solar does not um
unless you were having problem.

805
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:39,040
» Okay. Down behind the willow there,
unless we eliminate all trees, you know,

806
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:43,280
I mean, right. That's the problem.
>> Yeah. But would we remove any trees and

807
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:48,320
whatnot to you? You could it would take
a lot to get sun on it all day long,

808
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:52,000
» but do you need sun all day? How many
hours of sun do you need? And I guess

809
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:56,159
those are questions just to
>> kind of come back and they determine

810
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:59,280
whether we need something else.
>> We could we could put it on or something

811
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:02,320
like that too.
>> Yeah.

812
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:09,920
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Um, next item is the staff has

813
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:15,520
been asking us to get together two grant
applications which is the local share

814
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:23,679
for grant which is due here again in
September. Uh, first one steambo

815
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:29,360
uh is to work machine
mill 2 in off which gets rid of the old

816
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:36,880
uh micro surfacing that we're having
problems with. uh mil that put two

817
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:41,679
inches back of 12.5 million pavement. Uh
I did the estimate. I reached out to a

818
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:45,840
couple contractors and find out what
what the current rate is and came up

819
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:54,000
with an estimate that worked grand
amount was $400,400

820
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:59,159
to do all that. That's almost what 3,000
3200 ft of road call.

821
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:08,480
So what I'm looking for on that one, I
have given a resolution.

822
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:11,040
Uh that's part of the requirement. Uh so
I'm looking for approval of the

823
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:14,800
resolution
>> and authorizing me to sign it as the

824
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:20,440
secretary.
>> Right.

825
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:20,440
» Uh and it would be resolution 2026-11.

826
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:30,480
» I'll make a motion that we authorize the
manager to sign resolution 2026-11.

827
01:15:28,719 --> 01:15:35,040
I'll second that
>> discussion.

828
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:39,257
All in favor say I.
>> And if I [cough]

829
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:45,679
just need Christie to give me a letter
that says that the township's going to

830
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:48,679
it's basically one sentence the township
own

831
01:15:50,560 --> 01:16:00,640
finish the application to speak.
>> Yep. And that that is key in that grant

832
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:06,800
um because the next one there I
contacted them. I have a contact with

833
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:13,840
the LSA grant and I was picking her
brain about this Dolbertton storm sewer

834
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:20,480
situation and what this chalks up to is
that we do not own that Dolbertton storm

835
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:26,520
sewer pipe. So we would not be awarded
that grant.

836
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:26,520
Um so

837
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:33,920
and unless you guys want to own it then
we can go through with the resolution

838
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:37,120
but um that is not something that I
believe attorney Miller and he can say

839
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:42,480
it for himself but he does not advise us
to do such a thing.

840
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:47,120
» So if you do not advise us to take over
that we have to when we do maintenance

841
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:52,400
on them plates where do we send the
bill?

842
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:58,800
I think that's what that's the difficult
decision for the board to make. Um,

843
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:03,679
we sent
the the burrow and the township sent

844
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:12,320
letter
to the HOA in 2015 or 2016 when they

845
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:15,960
were there were rumors that it was going
to try to disband.

846
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:25,199
Both municipalities specifically others
saying you can't do that and they did it

847
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:30,800
anyway without the municipalities
knowing [clears throat] and ordered the

848
01:17:28,719 --> 01:17:37,840
termination without coming to any of the
municipalities for consent.

849
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:42,560
So this was never supposed to be like
this. The township was never supposed to

850
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:47,920
be in this position.
Uh but I think the difficult decision

851
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:52,320
for the board is
do you held those

852
01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:58,400
residents accountable. I don't even know
if any of them knew that the HOA was

853
01:17:54,719 --> 01:18:04,800
doing that either or participated in it
in any way, but likely a lot of the

854
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:10,560
residents there have no inclination or
understanding of what transpired.

855
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:16,800
I [clears throat] think the, you know,
the board has to make a decision. Do you

856
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:22,800
do you try to to
assess those property owners or or not?

857
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:29,360
I think legally we can do that because
even though the HLA was standing

858
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:34,880
liability
asked this question um would it be

859
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:39,840
possible to send letters to all the
folks in

860
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:44,000
tell them that there's going to be a
meeting specifically addressing them

861
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:49,360
bring
I know it's here now but I mean to

862
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:54,080
really notify the folks and tell them
here's your choices. You know, here's

863
01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:58,719
the history and here's the choice. You
know, my my view is

864
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:02,880
I don't want,
you know, yes, I I get that you're

865
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:07,600
probably right. Most of the folks have
no clue. Some folks that bought a house,

866
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:12,159
say, a month ago have no clue even a
year ago, right? And and so it's going

867
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:17,679
to be news to them. So I'd much rather
have and encourage some open dialogue

868
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:24,199
with those folks who impacted from a
township standpoint.

869
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:24,199
We shouldn't take on that problem,

870
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:35,040
right? I and we could I think that's up
to the board if you want to have that

871
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:41,199
kind of meeting with them
and see I I think it's going to be very

872
01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:48,080
difficult for them to
come together and actually uh do

873
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:53,280
anything. I think they're in a whoever
did this from the prior HOA boards has

874
01:19:51,120 --> 01:20:02,000
left them in a very in a no-win
situation because legally I'm not I'm

875
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:06,960
not even sure how they reformulate an
HOA at this. In other words, there's

876
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:12,480
HOAs are formed when there's a single
owner of the property. forming an HA

877
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:19,679
when it's no longer in civil ownership
is is very very difficult

878
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:25,440
but at the same time that leaves all
members with

879
01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:32,159
with assessments individual assessments
and that's kind of they just want to be

880
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:36,239
able to have that dialogue to say you
know in my view it's this is where it's

881
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:40,800
headed this is what's coming your way
and this is the estimated cost and you

882
01:20:38,719 --> 01:20:47,760
know, whether your property sits right
over top that plate or you're in that

883
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:52,640
community, you benefit from it.
Do I

884
01:20:50,719 --> 01:20:58,560
think what would be critical in having
that meeting is number one, you know,

885
01:20:55,760 --> 01:21:03,360
some of that history of what happened
with it, but then also the information

886
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:07,840
about the pipes and the work that's
going to need to be done, grant

887
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:10,400
applications, etc.
the lack of being able to apply for a

888
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:16,719
grant.
>> Well, for that one in particular, um I

889
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:22,960
honestly in my opinion, um the original
plan was to just try to look for grant

890
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:28,000
money to offset those costs. I think
that we should continue to do that so we

891
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:29,840
have all of our ducks in a row and maybe
some good news.

892
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:35,440
» Sure.
>> To offset some of that heartburn.

893
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:40,000
» I mean, sorry to interrupt you, but I
mean, while the the contact said it

894
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:43,440
won't be approved. You can still at
least submit it and get the formal

895
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:47,760
rejection,
right? You can still look for other

896
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:50,159
grants, too. Doesn't cost us to submit
anything.

897
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,000
» It does cost a little bit, but not very
much.

898
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:56,800
» Yeah.
>> So, that's $100 we would spend.

899
01:21:53,920 --> 01:22:01,760
» Yeah. So, I could also offer this is the
local grant which is due here in

900
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:07,520
September 30th. There's another grant
the exact basically the exact same grant

901
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:12,080
statewide is due on October 30. So that
gives us another 30 days.

902
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:15,280
» I would apply for for both just to try
and kick those doors.

903
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:18,159
» So what we would have is not have a
letter saying that township owns and

904
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:22,880
maintains.
>> I would give him the history to say look

905
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:26,960
there was an HOA the HOA disbanded and
so the township can't provide a letter

906
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:31,679
but we're submitting you know for this
community's behalf to see if there's a

907
01:22:28,719 --> 01:22:31,679
chance.

908
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:37,520
I think that would kill it.
>> Maybe, but but at least then you get the

909
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:41,600
formal, you know, you went through the
process. It wasn't just, you know,

910
01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:46,000
Christy talking to some contact. Again,
I appreciate you doing that, but at

911
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:50,880
least this way does a formal submission
and they formally have to reject it.

912
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:56,520
» I think you probably could say that the
township has the authority without

913
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,520
saying

914
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:10,639
that be great just at least try versus
not being 100 bucks

915
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:17,920
it's a reasonable cost to at least try
>> um if you guys so move that resolution

916
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:20,800
then um uh Andy can you just send me the
language for what I should write is all

917
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:24,480
thank you
>> I just have one other question if I may

918
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:29,679
and Shane it's for you regarding that
how long can that continue to go in its

919
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:33,679
current condition.
>> Um, most of it's on the engine pipes,

920
01:23:31,679 --> 01:23:37,840
but we do have lawns that are sinking
between sidewalks.

921
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,400
» I mean, guest obviously depends on
weather and whether you get a 100year

922
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:44,239
flood, but
>> that's the I'm hoping another year or

923
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,679
two, you know.
>> Okay. So,

924
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:50,639
» yeah.
>> So, so looking at the picture I to help

925
01:23:48,719 --> 01:23:55,280
keep the calls down, Shane did a lot. I
told Shane what I he did the photos. We

926
01:23:52,719 --> 01:23:59,679
met on site. He did all the photos and
just look from my opinion looking at the

927
01:23:57,199 --> 01:24:04,639
photos is the a lot of places the bottom
of the pipe is completely gone. It is

928
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:09,760
» okay. However, there's enough cinders
and sediment in the bottom that it's

929
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:15,120
kind of acting as the bottom of the pipe
temporarily. So, so I think you're okay

930
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:20,320
like Shane said for a year or two, but
it's something you don't want to have

931
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:25,679
since and understand this pipe run that
we were looking for for the grant is

932
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:29,440
only one run in the development that
will take the worst

933
01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:35,440
» because it'll it means the other pipes
eventually will come around.

934
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:39,120
» I'm going to say we did inspect them um
uh

935
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:42,320
five years you may get more than that
out of it. You know, I mean, there was

936
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:47,840
set the stage of what happened.
>> This one was past the point. Yeah.

937
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:52,000
» Yeah. The other ones,
>> uh, if I remember correctly, all the

938
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:57,120
bombs are still intact. But the bottom
line is is we haven't run into a

939
01:24:54,239 --> 01:25:01,440
situation like this before anyway.
>> No, we have metal pipes like that. Just

940
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:06,719
not No, but I mean without the HOA
disbanding and correct things of that to

941
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:09,760
where we have a single door to knock on
versus all the rest of it.

942
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:13,600
» Yes. Yeah.
Okay.

943
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:16,719
» So, we have time, but yeah, you know, we
should get moving.

944
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:23,120
» So, again, I'm looking for approval of
the resolution so I can continue to

945
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:29,920
» I'll make a a motion to approve the
necessary resolution uh so that Byron

946
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:36,080
can submit the LSA grant for Dolbertton
>> authorizing me resolution 2026-12.

947
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:39,244
» Yeah, very please.
>> Thank you. [laughter]

948
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,239
I'll second

949
01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:47,159
» you got motion.

950
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:54,199
» So sorry

951
01:25:56,480 --> 01:26:04,320
that last
>> uh authorizing

952
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:09,360
Mr. contract to move forward with the
res sorry move forward with the LSA

953
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:14,040
grant
for Dolbertton man

954
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:21,679
storm soil
>> and then this resolution 2026-

955
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:25,199
» 12
>> 12

956
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:30,639
» and then authorizing me to sign it
>> and authorizing township manager.

957
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:34,800
» Yep.
>> Okay. Okay, I have a motion and second

958
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:37,800
discussion
second.

959
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:46,920
» I'll call for vote. All in favor of the
motion signify by saying I

960
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:46,920
» motion carry.

961
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:57,760
» Um the last thing I just want to mention
in my report is that Shane and I had our

962
01:26:52,800 --> 01:27:02,719
BC MS4 audit um two weeks ago, two
Thursdays ago. Um, as far as I'm

963
01:27:00,639 --> 01:27:07,360
concerned, it went well. The the staff
did a wonderful job and Shane's guys did

964
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:13,679
a wonderful job cleaning everything.
Everything looked really good. Um,

965
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:17,840
really didn't have
we we were we were supposed to get a

966
01:27:15,679 --> 01:27:23,280
written report within two weeks, two to
three weeks and said, uh, I I got

967
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:27,840
nothing out of him that said that we
have any violation.

968
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:33,120
So, we took him out on the site. We
looked at old buildings. We took him

969
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:38,320
down on five sites and looked at out
falls. We looked at some BM current

970
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:41,199
BMPs. We didn't we don't have any
current construction projects. I

971
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:46,320
couldn't take him to a current
construction project which is but we

972
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:53,600
took him to the five locations that he
wanted to go see. A young guy and a

973
01:27:48,239 --> 01:27:58,480
girl. Um, and again,
the only thing the only thing I'd say

974
01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:03,360
that they kind of really pushed was
public outreach, which is one of the

975
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:10,320
requirements, which is how can we reach
out to businesses and the residents to

976
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:14,719
make them aware of NS4
and we let's wait till we hear back. I

977
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:19,520
mean, we've had public meetings and
nobody showed up. We've had, you know,

978
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:25,600
we've labeled stuff. I mean, we do
mailers. We do um we do when people pick

979
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:31,360
up the permit, they they get referred to
when it rains a dream brochure. I mean,

980
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:36,000
I think we're doing a lot already, but
that was, you know, I think one of the

981
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:41,440
things we mentioned is we talked about
the Halloween parade and the staff is in

982
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:44,719
the Halloween parade. Is we put a sign
on the side of the trucks about leak,

983
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:48,480
the dates of the leaf pickup, put a
second sign on one of the trucks that

984
01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:52,239
says, [clears throat] "Hey, ask us about
MS4" or something like that.

985
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:56,320
» And I think that's all good. Maybe
another thing is, you know, next year as

986
01:28:54,480 --> 01:29:00,320
we put the budget together, you know,
the website improvements maybe

987
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:06,159
» MS4 is only website.
>> No, no, but it's it might be easier to

988
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:11,760
find with a reconstructed and and to be
honest, you know, MS4 had no clue what

989
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:15,520
that is, you know. So, part of that
education of what does it mean things of

990
01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:17,920
that nature?
>> So, okay. I just wanted to bring that up

991
01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:21,600
and mention that.
>> No, I think it's that's good. They're

992
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:25,440
going to give us some feedback then.
>> They're going to give us some feedback.

993
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,440
Yes.

994
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:35,760
If I would say I would say yes
and it's I mean it's possible. I'm not I

995
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:40,400
I think Shane you agree with me. I'm not
real worried about it. It just we g we

996
01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:44,000
we were perfectly honest. We had nothing
to hide.

997
01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:48,960
» So here here it is. So they looked at
our our annual they actually had us send

998
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:54,400
them the annual reports in the past few
years. I did all that. our storm water

999
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:59,440
ordinance. They listed like 15 items
that they gave. So again, I have nothing

1000
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:01,840
to hide.
>> Thank you.

1001
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:05,360
» That's all I had.
>> Any questions for Byron?

1002
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:09,920
» No.
>> Thank you, Byron.

1003
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:17,080
Christie, manager report. Oh, I'm sorry.
Public works department work.

1004
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:17,080
» Any questions on our report?

1005
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:24,239
» No. Still liking the deer.
>> Still liking the deer. The giant deer

1006
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:28,880
tractor.
>> Oh, it's still getting fixed. So, yeah.

1007
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:32,800
Yeah, it's a Yeah, it's a great piece of
equipment.

1008
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:37,520
» Um,
uh, if there's no questions and I'd just

1009
01:30:34,719 --> 01:30:42,960
like to have a discussion and
I'm assuming you guys see the signs on

1010
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:48,320
here for the
for the snow for no parking. Um,

1011
01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:54,560
Andy, can you explain a little bit what
it would take to possibly do this? But

1012
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:57,560
before you do, can I mention something
that,

1013
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:05,280
and I'm pretty sure all of these I could
be wrong without looking at the plans,

1014
01:31:02,719 --> 01:31:12,040
but most of these developments that
we're having issues with started out

1015
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:12,040
originally as no parking developments.

1016
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:22,639
So, can this just take that place, Andy,
but for only certain times of the year?

1017
01:31:20,159 --> 01:31:26,400
Did that make sense? Or I mean,
technically, if they started out that

1018
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:29,679
way, I can go back and post them all
again as no parking

1019
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:32,960
forever.
>> I think you guys I think you would have

1020
01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:37,920
to change the ordinance to do that.
Wouldn't you have to add them as no

1021
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:44,960
parking roads? Right now, it's not
listed. They're not listed.

1022
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:49,360
That's that's correct. To be able to
>> say,

1023
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:53,360
» they'd have to amend the ordinance to
address whatever roads are considered no

1024
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:55,679
parking. And so,
>> wouldn't we already have that on for

1025
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:59,679
Lake Sherman?
>> It would have got changed back when they

1026
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:04,000
allowed they would have been those roads
would have been removed when they

1027
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:09,520
allowed parking on the streets.
>> I don't believe we did. I believe one

1028
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:14,000
day I was just told you sign. Well, we
can we can look we can win

1029
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:18,639
» if there's an ordinance in place that
hasn't been repealed that allows for the

1030
01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:27,280
parking
and I don't you know what year that was

1031
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:35,760
I check did it 15 years ago
but if if there's if if the ordinance is

1032
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:42,080
still in place for no parking then yes
you can reestablish the signs

1033
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:48,080
put them back in.
>> Could I reestablish it as the snow signs

1034
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:54,080
and not worry the other six, eight
months of the year?

1035
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:57,480
» Well, exactly. I mean, that isn't going
to be

1036
01:32:57,679 --> 01:33:07,840
that isn't going to be supported by the
study that's in it. And I don't know

1037
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:14,159
that that uh
I don't know that that's

1038
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:21,760
that's necessarily
required [clears throat] to do it.

1039
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:27,800
I think and what I'm just going back to
the the emails we exchanged about it.

1040
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:36,960
» They're not listed just so you know.
There there's a section that says that

1041
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:41,280
» type of use. Well, it's a it's
prohibited parking at any time at

1042
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:45,760
certain locations
and and the developments that I know

1043
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:50,120
he's talking about like Sherman Oaks for
instance there. It's not on here.

1044
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:57,000
» Um traffic study establish

1045
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:05,920
it be simple because it's a one lane
race which is technically all equal. You

1046
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:08,800
can't fence two carts in these streets
without one waiting a quarter mile down

1047
01:34:07,679 --> 01:34:14,320
the road while the other one
>> if I recall that cart you were 26 or 28

1048
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:19,679
» it's 20 26
>> 26 so that's with parking that

1049
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:22,880
» yeah park two cars you just took 16 ft
away

1050
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:26,800
» would would you be proposing this in
every development that has a 50 foot

1051
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:30,719
rightway?
>> Yes. only for the 26 foot rental. Yeah.

1052
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,880
Not the 60,
>> right?

1053
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:36,400
» Yeah.
>> So then it would be up to you guys. I

1054
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:44,239
think in the past
uh the previous board um didn't want to

1055
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:49,360
do that because there were a lot of
people who park on the road because they

1056
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:53,920
have grown kids now and things like
that. And I think I and maybe Dave you

1057
01:34:52,159 --> 01:34:57,840
can recall but I think that's why I
think it was because so many people park

1058
01:34:55,360 --> 01:35:02,800
on the road and use it. It but from
Shane's standpoint it's a huge issue

1059
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:07,840
when it comes to weather or storm
removal uh snow and ice.

1060
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:14,719
» It's also a huge issue for Chief
>> and and emers very big point emergency

1061
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:18,679
services truck down through Apple. has
tremendous amount of problems.

1062
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:29,760
Yeah.
>> Yeah. The whole back street.

1063
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:32,159
» Yeah. And that's where one of my file
operators who thought he could fit,

1064
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:35,600
» right?
>> He made it like three, four cars in and

1065
01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:39,120
realized I ain't going to fit. Well,
when he backed out, he realized, you

1066
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:44,000
know, we hit the first two cars and he
met trying to get through that. But

1067
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:47,840
yeah, that one's really bad. So,
problems.

1068
01:35:46,639 --> 01:35:54,480
» Yeah.
>> So, I have Sherman Oaks, Orchard View,

1069
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:58,159
Greenfield, Greenwood, Asbury.
It isn't bad because they're not all

1070
01:35:56,400 --> 01:36:03,760
together in Ashbury, but it's still a
narrow street. Um, Smith Gardens and

1071
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:08,880
Dton is is our vision.
>> One thing to consider would be park no

1072
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:16,080
parking on one side
and beyond the narrow streets of the

1073
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:20,496
Yeah.
>> straight in nowadays. Yeah,

1074
01:36:18,476 --> 01:36:20,496
[clears throat]

1075
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:30,960
» he did uh he did many years discuss no
parking on one side of the street going

1076
01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:35,760
down through do uh Oaks and we can't we
can't get together with the with the

1077
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:40,239
mail
US mail

1078
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:44,800
because they allow mailboxes on either
side both sides.

1079
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:47,199
So, we were trying to get the mailboxes
on one side of the street that you can't

1080
01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:52,360
park on.
>> Yeah. I don't even see how when that was

1081
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,360
delivered.

1082
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:58,719
» It It was a poor It was a poor design of
that development right from the get-go.

1083
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:04,239
» Correct. In our streets.
>> Yeah.

1084
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:08,159
» So, you're suggesting no parking when
snow removal conditions exist.

1085
01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:12,560
» Correct.
>> And

1086
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:17,360
» that that can mean just a salt job. It's
still a snow removal condition. Correct

1087
01:37:14,639 --> 01:37:20,000
me if I'm wrong here,
>> you know.

1088
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:25,199
» Yeah.
>> Okay. And the the snow storage areas

1089
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:28,239
down in cesacs. Yeah. Is very important.
Yeah.

1090
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:33,360
» Yeah. Chief way like that sign snow
storage area. So where we don't have the

1091
01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:38,320
driveways, it's where parks is only
five. Um has two hours has a date

1092
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:43,239
November 15th, April sometime. You know
what I mean?

1093
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:43,239
So, how do we enforce it?

1094
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:51,119
» Does it take an ordinance? Who's going
to enforce it? And I want it enforced.

1095
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:57,119
» So, so
>> just so we're aware because I I did read

1096
01:37:53,679 --> 01:38:02,320
the sample ordinance that uh Andy
supplied us from T uh Hopewell Township.

1097
01:38:00,639 --> 01:38:07,679
Um,
we do not, the township does not enforce

1098
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:14,480
anything on the road that the police
department does that. The reason for

1099
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:18,960
that is because my staff is not legally
allowed to have I don't know what the

1100
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:24,000
system's called, but it's the system
where you can run the VINs and stuff.

1101
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:28,400
We're not legally allowed to have that.
>> Yeah. And because I tried when I was the

1102
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:35,280
zoning officer, they wouldn't give it to
me. [laughter] So anyways, um, uh, so

1103
01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:38,159
and and you know, you never know who
actually owns that vehicle. Just because

1104
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:45,520
they're parked in front of a house
doesn't mean that it belongs to that

1105
01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:52,239
house. Okay? So it is very difficult for
township staff to enforce it per a

1106
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:57,040
ticketing system. Um, so it it would
rely heavily on the police department to

1107
01:38:54,880 --> 01:39:00,480
do that task.
Um,

1108
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:03,119
I don't I don't know what else to say
about that.

1109
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:07,840
» And and that was one of the reasons we
took the signs down originally was

1110
01:39:05,679 --> 01:39:13,600
because
at least I was told we don't have enough

1111
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:17,520
of them to enforce it.
>> So, I mean, it's a never ending battle.

1112
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:23,600
» It's a catch 22, right?
>> Yes. So the signs would, you know,

1113
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:26,719
certainly tell folks remind you to
please move your vehicle when it's this.

1114
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:33,679
Okay.
>> And I'm hoping to deter some people.

1115
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:35,199
» I don't need them all to deter
some. So

1116
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:39,679
» 50% right.
>> Yes. Give give me 50%. Because years ago

1117
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:45,360
we only had certain little sections.
>> Now it's all roads. So So I think the

1118
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:48,400
one thing I keep coming back to is
there's no one tool that solves it all.

1119
01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:51,920
I think it's a couple of different
things. So, I think putting signage out

1120
01:39:50,480 --> 01:39:56,000
there would help.
>> Two would be, you know, if that

1121
01:39:54,239 --> 01:40:01,280
particular development or developments
that are problematic, do they have a

1122
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:04,800
Facebook page where you could go on and
be like, "Guys, I'll rate your project

1123
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:09,440
for sure."
>> No, understand.

1124
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:11,920
» Y and but again, the people that post it
are very angry because they do move

1125
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:15,199
their cars.
>> Sure. I've had neighbors yell at me

1126
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:19,040
because their neighbors are parked in
front of their house during the snow.

1127
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:21,119
They're not even the ones parked there.
I understand.

1128
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:24,239
» But yeah,
>> so that's why I'm saying no one's full

1129
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:27,280
solves at all. These signs aren't going
to solve it all. Correct. And when you

1130
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:32,400
get to enforcement, there's not enough
officers to go doing that. And the point

1131
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:34,480
is is okay, they could ticket every car.
It's not going to move them out of the

1132
01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:38,560
way.
>> Right. Our ordinance does allow, Kate

1133
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:42,719
just pointed it out to me, so good
looking out there, but it basically

1134
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:46,719
gives the road master and the police
department the authority to tow the

1135
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:49,679
vehicles during a weather event.
>> Good luck finding a tow truck.

1136
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:54,239
» Yes.
>> Again, they did it last year.

1137
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:59,199
» Was it Officer George?
>> No. What township towed 380 something in

1138
01:40:57,119 --> 01:41:04,080
the middle of the night?
>> But didn't you say they knew? You have

1139
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:07,440
to have a plan if you're gonna 380 some
cars.

1140
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:10,320
» But yes, they do. These cars were never
>> You could do that, but before you do

1141
01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:13,440
that, it'd be a function of We told you,
we told you, we told you, and we told

1142
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:18,080
you again. Okay.
>> Um, and that's why I say, you know, our

1143
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:23,119
website, all the things you've already
done to to to do that.

1144
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:28,080
um and certainly putting the signs out
but at the end of the day unfortunately

1145
01:41:26,239 --> 01:41:32,159
I'm just hoping the signs like you said
will get through

1146
01:41:29,679 --> 01:41:34,320
» some portion 40% you know what I mean
like

1147
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:40,239
» and what the other thing I was thinking
about given you know solar powered signs

1148
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:48,320
you know is there because that sign's
out there rain snow right

1149
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:52,880
um sunshine but if there was a solar
powered sign that you could trip a

1150
01:41:50,239 --> 01:41:56,400
message like we're coming. You know,
this is a snow condition, please. You

1151
01:41:55,840 --> 01:42:00,480
know,
>> I could try using the the reader boards

1152
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:04,080
for the police officers.
>> We we do that every year

1153
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:06,800
» during the winter. You know what I mean?
>> Or do it out here,

1154
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:10,480
» but I might actually put it at the
entrance to death.

1155
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:14,800
» And and maybe maybe that's another thing
too to consider. You know, those small

1156
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:18,880
reader boards that we have, what do they
cost? Would it make sense for us to have

1157
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:22,000
a couple to put at those developments as
well? Well, they have a few. I think now

1158
01:42:20,639 --> 01:42:26,400
we're all together.
>> No, but even renting some or whatnot.

1159
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:30,560
I'm saying the township rents them and
you know, they're calling for snow. It's

1160
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:34,719
like go to those couple developments
that are problematic at their entry and

1161
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:36,960
put them up and fire them up and
hopefully you get a few more to your

1162
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:39,040
corn chain.
>> Yeah.

1163
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:42,560
» Again, I don't think one thing solves it
all, but

1164
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:47,760
» yeah, but can I post a sign is the
question.

1165
01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:50,800
the the no parking signs in certain
conditions in the first place.

1166
01:42:49,199 --> 01:42:56,080
» Yeah.
>> I mean, you you can post the signs

1167
01:42:54,400 --> 01:43:00,560
whether or not they're enforceable. I
mean, we could put

1168
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:05,040
Well,
first of all, you almost have to declare

1169
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:12,000
that a snow emergency route to to
require them to move. Uh, and you can do

1170
01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:16,320
that. We I mean we could put into the
ordinance, you know, certain I think

1171
01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:21,119
this is a discussion we had. If you put
in two inches,

1172
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:25,440
» you know, you may have two inches on one
street, you may have an inch on the next

1173
01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:29,199
street. So, it's that's really hard to
measure. Yeah.

1174
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:35,040
» But we can put that in the ordinance.
>> Um, you know, how enforceable they

1175
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:40,880
ultimately are. If you if you have to go
enforce them, you know, I think the

1176
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:47,280
board just Uh and you just have to
expect maybe difficult right to

1177
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:50,000
» but we're looking for deterrent
>> right

1178
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:54,400
» and that wouldn't even bother me as much
but

1179
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:59,440
just trying to
>> but in terms of putting the signs up I

1180
01:43:56,560 --> 01:44:03,119
mean it's not you know where you putting
up a speed control sign or something

1181
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:10,080
like that
certainly more concerns correct but

1182
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:16,719
putting up a sign like that I think I
think it's okay if you just understand,

1183
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:21,520
» right? Okay. So, maybe we're just give
it a try and

1184
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:28,679
you know, pick one development. See see
what it does for

1185
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:28,679
y. So, all right. Thanks.

1186
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:36,119
What's weather event takes us to Christy
Norththeast New York County Stewart?

1187
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:47,280
Um I I read through their minutes. It
there's nothing spectacular happening.

1188
01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:54,639
Um it they are constantly, you know,
finessing their internal repair systems

1189
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:58,960
and uh uh just trying to make sure
everything is working properly, it

1190
01:44:56,560 --> 01:45:03,679
appears. And then I have one here. It
looks like I did a repeat um because

1191
01:45:01,119 --> 01:45:06,560
Andy addressed it already under his
report [clears throat] for the

1192
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:10,080
intermunicipal agreement. So we can
breeze over that.

1193
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:14,560
» Okay. So that takes us to Kate zoning
officers reports.

1194
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:20,080
» So we don't have no meeting for
September's uh zoning hearing board.

1195
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:25,840
I should know tomorrow we have a
planning commission meeting. Um that

1196
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:31,040
would be for trade center 83
for their final

1197
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:36,159
uh plan. Um waiting on Chris Pencil to
get back to me on that one. Um other

1198
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:39,199
than that, do you have any questions on
my report or

1199
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:43,280
» just plot
your planning commission?

1200
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:48,360
» So that you're saying it hinges on
Chris?

1201
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:48,360
» Yeah. Okay. FBI game until tomorrow,

1202
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:56,159
» but they don't go to it then be nothing
on the agenda commission.

1203
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:59,600
» Any question with the code enforcements
requirements?

1204
01:45:57,199 --> 01:46:04,320
» Yeah.
Recreation board Christie.

1205
01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:09,520
» Uh they did meet recently
uh last week and uh they made a

1206
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:15,280
brochure.
Um, they're going to get that, print it,

1207
01:46:12,639 --> 01:46:20,719
and they would like to hand it out. I
They uh plan to go to Touch a Truck.

1208
01:46:18,719 --> 01:46:26,320
They did go to National Night Out, which
I already reported to you. They just

1209
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:32,000
want to appear a bit more professional
and try to recruit people and also show

1210
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:37,360
people uh or the the residents, you
know, what they do and what our township

1211
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:41,199
has to offer for recreation.
Um

1212
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:44,880
and and they they continue to talk about
future events.

1213
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:49,840
» Oh, it looks like I'm so sorry I I
misspoke. It looks like they're not

1214
01:46:46,719 --> 01:46:54,480
available to come to Touch a Truck, but
they will still have the flyers to give

1215
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:59,760
to Shane for the event. That's what it
is. Sorry about that.

1216
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:03,199
» Yeah, the flyer does look
>> Yeah.

1217
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:08,239
» I'm sorry. I was I I planned on make
making that meeting death in the family.

1218
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:13,440
So, I couldn't attend. But I want to go
to one of their meetings because there

1219
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:17,840
is interest if any of the residents
remember what they used to call

1220
01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:24,400
stay-at-home celebration way back when
when the JC's put it on and stuff that

1221
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:30,000
uh uh the school district, the police
department

1222
01:47:26,239 --> 01:47:35,199
all are are are
Lions Club

1223
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:39,760
are showing interest in renewing that
and bringing that back. So, between the

1224
01:47:38,639 --> 01:47:44,480
school district and all those
departments and our recreation board, I

1225
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:48,159
think we it's it's an initiative to
bring back the stay-at-h home

1226
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:53,679
celebration, whether it's multi-days or
it's a carnival or whatever. We need

1227
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:58,400
more of those community involvements in
our in our community. So, I will get

1228
01:47:55,600 --> 01:48:03,639
with the rec board and float that by
them.

1229
01:48:00,639 --> 01:48:03,639
Uh

1230
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:15,600
11.4 4 2027 minimum municipal
obligations Manchester Towns.

1231
01:48:11,119 --> 01:48:17,679
So that obligation is $48,132.
>> Correct.

1232
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:22,639
» In those sense,
>> you need a motion for that.

1233
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:32,480
» We we do. And just to reiterate, like I
do every year, we uh have uh gotten more

1234
01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:38,960
state aid than what we had to pay in uh
for the previous year. So, um,

1235
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:42,400
technically we end up getting it back.
Um, and that it's been like that for a

1236
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:49,280
very long time. So, let's knock on some
wood. Um, but just so you're aware.

1237
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:52,280
» So, yeah, I'll entertain a motion for an
obligation.

1238
01:48:52,560 --> 01:49:00,480
» Yeah, I'll make a motion that we heard
the 2027 MMO for East Manchester

1239
01:48:57,679 --> 01:49:05,600
County's pension plan. the amount of the
obligation amount of $48,132.

1240
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:11,520
Second that
>> we have a motion to second discussion.

1241
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:16,800
» All in favor signify by saying I. I.
>> I. Motion carries.

1242
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:22,239
» Takes us down to docar.
>> Uh okay. So

1243
01:49:19,679 --> 01:49:28,080
our license well first let me just say
we have a program called Docstar. It's

1244
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:33,920
our electronic scanning system. Um, it
was in existence before I ever worked

1245
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:41,360
here and I started here in 2014.
Um, it was being actively worked on. Uh,

1246
01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:48,159
the township was paying at that time.
Stratex uh is what the company's name is

1247
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:52,880
now. They used to be called Block. Block
uh was actually taking our documents and

1248
01:49:50,960 --> 01:50:00,880
scanning them and keywording them for
us. Okay. And that was the back scan

1249
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:06,560
project until we were day forward with
our scanning.

1250
01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:11,520
And we did that for some time until
about two years ago when we stopped

1251
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:17,920
putting documents into Docstar. Um
because we have uh a cloud permit

1252
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:24,800
manager that houses all of the property
files and it used to be on local server

1253
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:32,159
but now now we have cloud storage for it
at no additional cost with uh for permit

1254
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:38,560
manager and um uh that that's working
very well for us very well and no point

1255
01:50:35,440 --> 01:50:44,480
to have documents in multiple different
areas that we then have to check for

1256
01:50:42,159 --> 01:50:52,560
permits and projects and right to knows
and whatever else we would need to do

1257
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:58,000
that for. Um, and also it's very hard to
find documents in it because uh many

1258
01:50:56,239 --> 01:51:02,080
different people through the times
including like I said block systems

1259
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:07,440
keyworded our stuff and nobody did it
the same or they did it improperly. So

1260
01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:13,199
there are some documents that we just
can't find uh because of that reason and

1261
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:18,560
uh
Stratex and I we were and Jason our IT

1262
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:23,679
guy we were working on
uh coming up with a solution so that we

1263
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:31,280
could just get our documents
uh and and be done with Docstar. Okay.

1264
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:36,000
They lost our license or dropped our
license out of nowhere with no notice.

1265
01:51:34,159 --> 01:51:44,239
um while we were getting pretty close to
our options and um SR Business Systems

1266
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:50,560
took it over and now we have uh only
this meeting to make this decision, but

1267
01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:55,679
staff and Jason and SR Business Systems
uh worked very diligently to try to uh

1268
01:51:53,520 --> 01:52:00,880
get us to make the best decision
possible in a short amount of time

1269
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:07,119
before we lose our licensing. We we need
to make this decision tonight. Um, so

1270
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:13,280
we're currently paying uh a little over
$7,100 a year. Uh, that's option one.

1271
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:18,000
Option one is to not change anything, go
back into a three-year contract with

1272
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:24,880
them, and we wouldn't lose any of our
user licenses, and uh we could have not

1273
01:52:22,159 --> 01:52:29,840
to exceed 5% of an increase for years
two and three.

1274
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:36,159
And then option two would be to decrease
the number of users and a three-year

1275
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:40,480
contract at a little over $3,800.
Same thing, the not to exceed 5%

1276
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:45,840
increase in years two and three. And
then option three is to export documents

1277
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:53,679
out completely
uh for a onetime fee of $9,600.

1278
01:52:49,840 --> 01:53:00,239
And uh then lastly, if we did options
one or two, uh we would need to pay for

1279
01:52:57,599 --> 01:53:05,840
blocks of time because they would need
to teach us how to adequately use the

1280
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:12,159
system since apparently Stratex was not
a very good uh I don't know what it's

1281
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:16,000
called. They they basically sold the
product, didn't know how to work it very

1282
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:20,880
well. Let's put it that way. Okay. And
SR Business Group, that's what they

1283
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:24,880
specialize in. After
picking lots of brains and and

1284
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:30,719
thoroughly discussing this, staff
recommends highly recommends to go with

1285
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:36,880
option three and export export all the
documents out. They will be named how

1286
01:53:34,239 --> 01:53:42,800
they were named in the system. So if
it's named wrong in the in uh docstar,

1287
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:48,239
it will also be named wrong in the
export. But at least we have an

1288
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:51,760
opportunity to change it. I mean, we
would have an opportunity either way.

1289
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:56,159
The reason for the export is to just
eliminate steps if we decrease the user

1290
01:53:54,080 --> 01:54:01,440
licenses to the three-year contract for
the $3,800.

1291
01:53:58,480 --> 01:54:06,239
Um, we would pretty much be, in my
opinion, prolonging uh a contract with

1292
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:11,119
somebody, paying an additional blocks of
hours for help, and then we'd be

1293
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:15,440
creating more steps to even get our
documents out because ultimately that's

1294
01:54:12,719 --> 01:54:19,840
the goal. The goal is to get out all the
property files and put them into permit

1295
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:24,719
manager cloud and then the rest of the
documents we already have housed on our

1296
01:54:22,239 --> 01:54:31,920
share file uh which is very well
organized. Um so uh that's what we

1297
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:37,360
recommend and I talked to each of you a
little bit about this uh individually to

1298
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:43,440
give you some background on it. Do you
have any questions for me right now?

1299
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:47,119
No, you said your staff and we recommend
option three.

1300
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:54,400
» Correct.
>> I make a motion that uh we

1301
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:59,280
approve option three to export documents
out at one time fee of $9,600.

1302
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:02,480
» I'll second a motion.
>> I ask a question.

1303
01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:07,760
» Yeah. Discussion.
>> Sorry. Um,

1304
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:13,679
so I want to make sure when these things
get exported, they're in PDF, which then

1305
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:17,679
the PDF depending on how it's exported
is searchable. That's the first question

1306
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:23,520
that needs to be.
>> He told me that it when it exports, it

1307
01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:25,840
will export out its native,
>> right? Whatever

1308
01:55:24,159 --> 01:55:28,719
» you put in Word, it's coming out Word.
If it's PDF,

1309
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:33,520
» but I'm going to tell you everything was
scan. None of it should be Word. And

1310
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:39,920
there in lies maybe the issue because if
it was scanned with technology back then

1311
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:43,760
it's probably an image and it's not OCR.
So you can't search for words in the

1312
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:46,880
document,
>> right? No, it'll be whatever it was

1313
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:49,520
keyworded. It'll
>> I understand

1314
01:55:47,599 --> 01:55:54,960
» the name and the title. Yeah.
>> So that's number one. And number two is

1315
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:59,040
» say you want everything in permanent
manager. But something caused me some

1316
01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:04,880
confusion when you said, "Well, we've
got a shared folder," which suggests

1317
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:07,840
that's on the SharePoint site. So, is
that where the document resides on our

1318
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:12,960
SharePoint site?
>> No. No. Um, you're right. There is some

1319
01:56:10,639 --> 01:56:16,560
confusion. What I'm talking about is all
of our other stuff. Like, for instance,

1320
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:22,000
your minutes, that's not property
related. So we have a lot of documents

1321
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:27,760
that were was scanned into
uh Docstar that didn't have to be uh a

1322
01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:31,920
property related document. I think
that's what I was trying to explain.

1323
01:56:29,119 --> 01:56:35,760
Yep. So the end result if you get all
these things exported regardless of

1324
01:56:33,679 --> 01:56:40,960
whether it's property related or minutes
or some other document permit manager is

1325
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:46,880
for all the properties that reside
within the township and all the

1326
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:47,920
information my house you know house that
type of deal

1327
01:56:47,599 --> 01:56:49,599
» correct
>> the industrial buildings

1328
01:56:49,199 --> 01:56:53,599
» right
>> and so when you get all these extracts

1329
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:58,560
you're going to go in and pull up file
number one oh this is the XYZ property

1330
01:56:56,239 --> 01:57:03,199
let me go into permit manager and I'm
now going going to load whether that's a

1331
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:07,040
PDF or a word file or whatever I'm going
to load that in the permit manager. So

1332
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:10,400
when I go in the permit manager and ask
about XYZ address everything

1333
01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:14,159
» is there.
>> Correct. That's correct.

1334
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:17,679
» So the worst thing that happens is you
export all this stuff out and it's going

1335
01:57:16,239 --> 01:57:22,560
to take
>> staff time to ultimately push it in

1336
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:25,840
which could take a couple of months to
go through

1337
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:30,480
» it. It'll take years to get through all
that. It's over 27,000 documents.

1338
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:35,679
» Yeah.
>> Unless you want to come in part time

1339
01:57:32,239 --> 01:57:42,560
» or if you allow us to
>> hire figure out.

1340
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:46,080
» Um, all right. That answers my question.
>> Yep.

1341
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:48,800
Um,
okay.

1342
01:57:46,719 --> 01:57:51,679
» Do you have any other questions?
>> Any further discussion?

1343
01:57:50,719 --> 01:57:56,701
» I don't have any.
>> I'll call for the vote. All in favor of

1344
01:57:53,199 --> 01:57:58,721
the motion signify by saying I. I
[snorts]

1345
01:57:59,119 --> 01:58:05,840
» Okay. Correspondence. Do you have any?
>> Uh, no correspondence.

1346
01:58:04,239 --> 01:58:08,840
» Is there any public comments at this
time?

1347
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:11,880
» Somewhere.

1348
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:28,639
» Yeah, that was done.
>> We talked about it and it was go

1349
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:32,719
We knew it was not going to be good.
>> Yeah,

1350
01:58:29,119 --> 01:58:39,599
» it was develop
>> I I remember that that it was I'm sure

1351
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:45,119
it was the oaks down there. Um
>> and I think the the mailboxes came into

1352
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:52,159
play on that. But uh
>> I I guess we could always always you

1353
01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:58,480
know decide that hey the uh the north
side of the street road parking or west

1354
01:58:54,719 --> 01:59:05,599
side or whatever we could do that but u
again it comes back to enforcement.

1355
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:09,199
So uh I I got to ask chief what do you
do when you have a fire truck going down

1356
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:12,000
through there and you got to get to the
fire. You just take off mirrors.

1357
01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:15,800
» Push.
>> Push. Yeah. Okay.

1358
01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:24,679
» Okay.

1359
01:59:32,159 --> 01:59:38,880
» Any other comments?
I'll move on. I'll make a motion that we

1360
01:59:36,719 --> 01:59:41,280
bill pay all bills.
>> Second.

1361
01:59:40,159 --> 01:59:46,360
» All in favor?
>> I. Supervisor speak

1362
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:55,520
I was remiss at last month's meeting to
thank all the hard work staff does when

1363
01:59:52,480 --> 02:00:02,239
it comes to zoning enforcement and
things of that nature.

1364
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:06,560
So I appreciate what you do every every
day.

1365
02:00:04,159 --> 02:00:09,440
And then just a reminder that budget
season's coming up budget meeting O S O

1366
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:13,080
S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O
S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S 20

1367
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:20,800
» Okay,
uh Pendot just came out with recently

1368
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:24,880
with our new 12year plan. I went through
everything in your county. I didn't see

1369
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:28,800
anything. I don't think I missed it. I'm
saying about Route 83, whether that

1370
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:34,400
would be under the 12ear plan or not.
But there are two things that will

1371
02:00:31,599 --> 02:00:38,880
affect East Manchester Township.
One is the Cadoras Farnest Road over

1372
02:00:37,040 --> 02:00:44,800
Cadoras Creek and East Manchester and
Helen Township. Uh consist of bridge

1373
02:00:42,159 --> 02:00:50,933
improvement, replacement, rehabilitation
or preservation on Kador's Furnish Road,

1374
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:56,159
excuse [clears throat] me.
>> [cough]

1375
02:00:51,920 --> 02:01:01,920
» The second one is uh resurfacing
of North George Street. It will be from

1376
02:00:59,599 --> 02:01:07,440
Woodland View Road in Manchester
Township to Sunset Drive in East

1377
02:01:05,199 --> 02:01:12,960
Manchester Township, which is right near
McDonald's there.

1378
02:01:09,679 --> 02:01:19,360
These are under their 12-year plan.
Who knows? And secondly, I was reviewing

1379
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:27,040
the uh the minutes of the burrows and
saw in Burough their July

1380
02:01:24,639 --> 02:01:32,679
14th meeting, they received their report
from fire company. That's fire company.

1381
02:01:34,239 --> 02:01:43,199
» So in that 102 plan, what about the
bridge that's going in?

1382
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:44,320
Shouldn't that be on? Oh, I think that's
already

1383
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:46,400
» already.
>> Yeah. Yeah. These are the future

1384
02:01:45,679 --> 02:01:48,400
projects.
>> Okay.

1385
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:52,080
» Yeah.
>> So, no exit 26.

1386
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:56,239
» Nope. And then, yeah, I didn't see any.
I mean, the only thing they're talking

1387
02:01:53,280 --> 02:02:00,960
about on Church Road is the right hand
turn lane when you get up the

1388
02:01:59,119 --> 02:02:05,440
South Pl.
But the whole crux of the problem is

1389
02:02:03,679 --> 02:02:08,960
they only have two lanes crossing over
83.

1390
02:02:07,119 --> 02:02:12,880
So, it's not going to help much when you
get up there and still have to sit on

1391
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:17,000
the bridge until you can get up to the
light to turn right or left.

1392
02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:28,719
» The only comment I have a question for
Shane. Uh, you're going through a lot of

1393
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:34,960
CDL training right now. Driving nuts.
>> Yeah, it is. They uh they passed their I

1394
02:02:33,280 --> 02:02:37,760
guess training course if you want to
call it that and now we're just waiting

1395
02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:40,960
to hear from the instructor when they
fit in. So

1396
02:02:38,719 --> 02:02:45,199
» Okay. So we will have plow operators for
winter.

1397
02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:48,159
» I hope so. They still got to pass. So
>> Shane, you want to put a plug in for

1398
02:02:46,719 --> 02:02:51,520
Touch a Truck this weekend?
>> Yeah.

1399
02:02:48,719 --> 02:02:58,159
» Uh yeah, this weekend uh Touch Truck the
Minon is at the middle school up here.

1400
02:02:55,199 --> 02:03:04,080
Um it's for childhood cancer. Um it's
five $5 I believe for a child. Yeah. And

1401
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:07,520
adults are free. Uh if you have
children, bring them up. It's all kinds

1402
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:12,000
of equipment. Send the chief's going to
be there. We're have to back the kids

1403
02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:18,159
playing on and skip over and all kinds
of things. There's all kinds of stuff

1404
02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:22,000
there. So 2 to 6 this Saturday the 12th.
>> And I see you're accumulating a lot of

1405
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:26,000
giveaways for the kiddies.
>> I did this year. Yep. Thanks to our

1406
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:29,040
rangers for that. So yeah, we have kids
hats and everything like that building.

1407
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:34,159
So y
>> do you want to maybe mention something

1408
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:41,440
about the night work on Willow Springs?
>> Uh starting this Sunday, Willow Springs

1409
02:03:39,199 --> 02:03:47,599
will be getting paid
from Board Road down Willow Springs.

1410
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:53,440
It's going to be night work from 6:00 p.
p.m. to 6:00 a.m. The road will not be

1411
02:03:50,639 --> 02:04:01,400
closed. it will still be flagged for
allowing traffic through. Um, but we

1412
02:03:56,639 --> 02:04:01,400
might want to real

1413
02:04:07,199 --> 02:04:13,360
» I put it on the website
>> a truck on the website.

1414
02:04:11,440 --> 02:04:18,480
» I did not get that on the website. As
soon as he was saying about it,

1415
02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:23,199
» forgot about that. I don't know. I think
we need to start tracking.

1416
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:28,000
» Wow. I think I think someone needs an
assistant. How about that?

1417
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:33,360
» So, Shane, uh the detour. If you're
coming if you're coming north on Science

1418
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:37,599
View and you turn at the new light, go
back towards my house, Canal Road. Okay.

1419
02:04:36,239 --> 02:04:41,760
You're coming up there and it says
detour

1420
02:04:39,280 --> 02:04:47,040
route. And then there's a sign up on
Canal Road. No detour. But the detour

1421
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:52,719
route send people up that cross the
bridge up through here.

1422
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:56,159
» The detour route we just showed.
>> No.

1423
02:04:53,199 --> 02:05:02,560
» Oh,
>> Locust Point up there

1424
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:06,560
and it
>> Yeah. So, you're saying it's sending

1425
02:05:04,719 --> 02:05:12,159
them back like past Unifi and down
across the bridge is what you're saying.

1426
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:17,119
» Yeah. that that is a detour route
because there are businesses there. So

1427
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:20,960
that is where that detour they would
loop the whole way around. I know it

1428
02:05:19,119 --> 02:05:23,599
seems weird because you're like why are
they sending traffic that way? The roads

1429
02:05:22,106 --> 02:05:26,480
[clears throat] closed.
>> They're sending them the whole way

1430
02:05:24,719 --> 02:05:28,960
around to get them to that business.
>> Okay.

1431
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:30,560
» So it has to be posted that way. Am I
correct in saying that, Byron?

1432
02:05:30,159 --> 02:05:35,679
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yep. Yep.

1433
02:05:33,119 --> 02:05:40,159
» Okay. That clears that up.
>> Uh Andy, do we need executive? All

1434
02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:42,159
right. I don't need it for anything
else.

1435
02:05:40,639 --> 02:05:44,400
» Okay.
>> I will make a motion we adjourn the

1436
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:46,719
meeting.
>> Second.

1437
02:05:45,119 --> 02:05:49,360
» All in favor?
>> I.