1 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,080 6 PM, and I now call this meeting to order. 2 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:38,360 Please stand and join me as we recite the Pledge of Allegiance. 3 00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:44,100 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 4 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:47,820 America and to the Republic for which it stands, 5 00:00:48,420 --> 00:00:51,980 one nation, under God, indivisible, with 6 00:00:52,100 --> 00:00:53,910 liberty and justice for all. 7 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,220 All right. I'd like to welcome everyone to tonight's meeting. 8 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:00,380 Counselor, hello? 9 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:02,320 Yeah. 10 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,960 It's important that we remember the vision of East Noble School Corporation, and 11 00:01:06,020 --> 00:01:09,720 that is to inspire students to become lifelong learners and positive, 12 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,230 contributing members of their communities. 13 00:01:13,780 --> 00:01:16,030 With that, we're going to have an introduction of citizens. Mr. 14 00:01:16,300 --> 00:01:17,460 Stinson, if you could start us off. 15 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,100 Jeff 16 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:23,580 Harper. 17 00:01:24,340 --> 00:01:27,700 Matt Heger. Charlie Parker. 18 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:31,900 Ashley Gossett. Crystal Mullen. 19 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:35,280 Blake Morris. 20 00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:36,630 Rachel Carpenter. 21 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:37,200 Greg Rice. 22 00:01:37,500 --> 00:01:38,340 Brett Carpenter. 23 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:39,179 Eva Carpenter. 24 00:01:41,860 --> 00:01:42,679 Madeline Glapier. 25 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:43,840 Scott Tipton. 26 00:01:44,700 --> 00:01:45,340 Isaac Benson. 27 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:46,160 Joanna Cook. 28 00:01:47,340 --> 00:01:50,760 All right. Well, welcome everybody, and those at home streaming tonight. 29 00:01:50,980 --> 00:01:53,240 We're glad you're being involved with our corporation. 30 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,370 With that, we'll take comments from the board, or to the board. 31 00:01:57,370 --> 00:02:00,400 In accordance with board policy, our allocated time is 20 minutes for the comments. 32 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,370 We have five people signed up tonight, so three minutes for each. 33 00:02:03,380 --> 00:02:06,500 A reminder, this is our business meeting and is not designed to include a two-way 34 00:02:06,540 --> 00:02:10,370 conversation. If the allotted board policy time for your public comments is not 35 00:02:10,420 --> 00:02:12,350 enough, please reach out to board members via email. 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,920 These contacts can be found on our website. 37 00:02:15,980 --> 00:02:17,400 We appreciate your cooperation 38 00:02:19,020 --> 00:02:21,650 and ask for the following: Please state your name, address, and the topic you will 39 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,740 be commenting on. Act in a professional and businesslike manner. 40 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,100 Your allotted time may be interrupted, warned, or terminated if your comments are 41 00:02:28,140 --> 00:02:30,600 personally directive, abusive, or obscene. 42 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,070 All statements are to be directed to the presiding officer of the board, not 43 00:02:34,100 --> 00:02:37,420 members of the audience, nor be in response to comments made by the audience 44 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,660 members. Please respect what others have to say, and please do not interrupt or 45 00:02:40,699 --> 00:02:42,360 comment during their allotted time. 46 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,400 It's not a two-way conversation, and once again, is not an open debate. 47 00:02:45,820 --> 00:02:48,549 Your individual comments will be taken under advisement by this board. 48 00:02:49,100 --> 00:02:52,140 We ask that you do not address or question board members individually. 49 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,160 And with that, the first person up to speak is Tara. And Mr. 50 00:02:56,380 --> 00:02:58,810 Stinson's going to hand you a microphone, and if you would speak into that, we'd 51 00:02:58,820 --> 00:02:59,359 appreciate it. 52 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,220 Sure. Good evening. My name is Tara Bovie. 53 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,570 I'm a mother, a staff member at East Noble Middle School, and a member of the 54 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,520 Kendallville community. I want to begin by saying thank you for taking the 55 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,260 time to review the school calendar and consider adjustments that could benefit our 56 00:03:13,340 --> 00:03:15,790 students, staff, families, and community. 57 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,960 As you consider the proposed calendar, I would like to ask that you 58 00:03:18,980 --> 00:03:21,760 consider moving one week of spring break to the 59 00:03:21,820 --> 00:03:25,060 last full week of March, 60 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,260 beginning March 28th. I believe this change could provide a 61 00:03:28,300 --> 00:03:31,290 significant benefit to our students and staff. 62 00:03:31,980 --> 00:03:35,380 By having spring break at the end of March, students would return to school at the 63 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,200 beginning of April and have two full weeks to get back into their routines before 64 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,260 state testing begins. As a mother of a child with an IEP, I know 65 00:03:43,820 --> 00:03:47,380 firsthand how important consistency and routine can be. 66 00:03:47,460 --> 00:03:51,310 Having those two full weeks back in the classroom before testing 67 00:03:51,340 --> 00:03:55,140 would give my child and many other students the opportunity to settle back into 68 00:03:55,180 --> 00:03:59,070 their routines, reconnect with the teachers, and prepare academically and 69 00:03:59,140 --> 00:04:03,120 emotionally for testing. As a staff member, I see the benefit of this 70 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,940 as well. We all know that it can take students and staff several days to get 71 00:04:06,980 --> 00:04:09,160 back into the rhythm of school after a break. 72 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,920 Allowing two full weeks between spring break and testing would give 73 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,400 everyone that time they need to refocus and prepare. 74 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,900 I would also like to address the proposal to build the four 75 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,420 additional days into the calendar as makeup days. 76 00:04:23,910 --> 00:04:27,210 While I appreciate the effort to build these days into the calendar, 77 00:04:27,460 --> 00:04:31,190 I wholeheartedly believe there's another solution that would 78 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,660 better support our instructional assistants and most importantly, our students. 79 00:04:35,300 --> 00:04:39,180 I believe instructional assistants should have the opportunity to participate in 80 00:04:39,220 --> 00:04:42,580 virtual learning days alongside teachers with e-learning days 81 00:04:43,460 --> 00:04:47,040 when they're used. Before coming to East Noble, I worked in a school 82 00:04:47,060 --> 00:04:50,690 district where instructional assistants participated in e-learning days with 83 00:04:50,740 --> 00:04:52,900 teachers, and it worked very well. 84 00:04:52,940 --> 00:04:55,170 It supported students, teachers, and parents. 85 00:04:55,700 --> 00:04:58,680 I have seen firsthand how successful this can be. 86 00:04:58,740 --> 00:05:02,660 In my role working with special education students, I have heard 87 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:06,580 the concerns and struggles from students, teachers, and parents when it comes to 88 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,500 e-learning and making sure students continue to receive the support 89 00:05:10,540 --> 00:05:14,260 they need. Because of those experiences, I strongly believe 90 00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:17,780 instructional assistants should be included in virtual learning opportunities. 91 00:05:18,300 --> 00:05:20,960 I have seen how it can work, and I truly believe it can work here. 92 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,880 I also understand that building additional days into the calendar can be a 93 00:05:24,940 --> 00:05:28,860 wonderful option for other staff members who would otherwise miss pay 94 00:05:28,900 --> 00:05:32,860 due to snow days. Principals and office staff could work together to create 95 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:36,660 a list of tasks and projects that need to be completed in each building. 96 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,080 Those employees could then use those days to come in and accomplish 97 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,900 work that often gets pushed aside because there is always something that needs 98 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,710 to be done. Ultimately, I believe there are solutions that can benefit 99 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,120 everyone while keeping our students at the center of conversations. 100 00:05:52,180 --> 00:05:55,100 Thank you for taking the time to listen to my concerns and suggestions. 101 00:05:55,220 --> 00:05:59,020 I truly hope you will consider the perspective of someone who works in our 102 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,730 schools, is a mother of students, and is a member of this community. 103 00:06:03,260 --> 00:06:04,680 I care deeply about East Noble- 104 00:06:04,770 --> 00:06:04,770 Tara 105 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,010 ... our students, and staff. 106 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:10,200 Thank you. Real quick, Tara, could you tell me, was it you wanted the 107 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,480 last week of March to be our spring break week? 108 00:06:15,528 --> 00:06:19,368 Okay. That's the only question I have. We can't have a two-way conversation. Okay. 109 00:06:19,388 --> 00:06:21,968 But also, could you put your paperwork in the basket at the end of the meeting so 110 00:06:21,988 --> 00:06:24,508 that we can- Sure ... review that? I'd appreciate it. Sure. Okay. Thank you. 111 00:06:25,388 --> 00:06:28,048 Next up is Brett Carpenter. At the end. 112 00:06:31,908 --> 00:06:33,788 Brett Carpenter, I live here in Kendallville. 113 00:06:35,468 --> 00:06:39,388 I'm actually astounded at just how low some of you on the 114 00:06:39,408 --> 00:06:39,768 board 115 00:06:40,728 --> 00:06:44,368 and other administrators will go to fight against those who are 116 00:06:44,488 --> 00:06:47,788 advocating for the safety and well-being of the students. 117 00:06:47,868 --> 00:06:50,928 And Superintendent Steve Vaughan, you have just joined that 118 00:06:50,968 --> 00:06:54,068 group. Speaking of the children 119 00:06:55,648 --> 00:06:59,408 who were videotaped engaging in inappropriate sexual activity in the middle school, 120 00:06:59,908 --> 00:07:02,708 Steve Vaughan said at the last meeting, "As far as Mr. 121 00:07:03,008 --> 00:07:06,648 Carpenter, which has brought this up several times, about 122 00:07:06,808 --> 00:07:10,508 viewing a situation on his phone that was 123 00:07:10,548 --> 00:07:12,148 brought to him concerns me, too." 124 00:07:13,308 --> 00:07:15,988 Absolutely false. 125 00:07:17,588 --> 00:07:21,458 You either are completely incompetent or you don't 126 00:07:21,508 --> 00:07:25,448 have an ounce of integrity. Every parent that has come to me with 127 00:07:25,508 --> 00:07:29,488 a videotape of that on their phone, I have told them plainly, "I don't 128 00:07:29,528 --> 00:07:32,718 need to look into the garbage can to know what's in there." I told them, 129 00:07:33,108 --> 00:07:36,828 "Absolutely never send that to anyone, but only take it to the 130 00:07:36,868 --> 00:07:40,668 police." So you have just totally made that up. 131 00:07:42,368 --> 00:07:44,968 He said, and I'm going to read the whole thing, "As far as Mr. 132 00:07:45,188 --> 00:07:48,028 Carpenter, which has brought this up several times about viewing a situation on his 133 00:07:48,048 --> 00:07:49,228 phone that was brought to him, 134 00:07:51,828 --> 00:07:55,808 concerns me, too, because it's as sexual 135 00:07:55,888 --> 00:07:59,708 nature that he says that he's viewing sexual activity 136 00:07:59,748 --> 00:08:00,508 on the phone." 137 00:08:01,668 --> 00:08:03,888 You don't have a problem slandering people, do you? 138 00:08:05,108 --> 00:08:08,928 What a shame. I hope everyone on the board that voted 139 00:08:08,968 --> 00:08:10,968 for this irresponsible 140 00:08:13,188 --> 00:08:13,828 slander, 141 00:08:14,788 --> 00:08:16,568 I hope you realize the mistake you made. 142 00:08:17,188 --> 00:08:19,608 We could have had Jamie Carroll, 143 00:08:20,488 --> 00:08:24,248 a person of excellent reputation, who the whole city wanted, 144 00:08:24,888 --> 00:08:28,628 who actually cares about her students, cares about the community, but 145 00:08:28,688 --> 00:08:32,448 instead we get this. What a shame. 146 00:08:34,028 --> 00:08:37,408 He then says, "I think he's," now we're talking about me, "I think he's 147 00:08:37,568 --> 00:08:38,268 obligated 148 00:08:39,129 --> 00:08:40,408 to tell the police." 149 00:08:41,608 --> 00:08:45,548 How phony can you be? Every single time 150 00:08:45,648 --> 00:08:49,088 I have spoken of this issue, the police have been here 151 00:08:49,208 --> 00:08:50,598 listening to everything, 152 00:08:51,528 --> 00:08:53,168 and they have never once confronted me. 153 00:08:54,028 --> 00:08:57,888 Ask yourself why. This community 154 00:08:57,948 --> 00:09:01,628 is tired of the scandals, tired of the lies, tired of the 155 00:09:01,788 --> 00:09:02,248 slander, 156 00:09:03,408 --> 00:09:06,048 tired of the corruption, tired of the lack 157 00:09:07,868 --> 00:09:09,668 of transparency from you. 158 00:09:10,508 --> 00:09:10,928 Shame. 159 00:09:11,748 --> 00:09:15,668 Then he says, and get this, this is absolutely amazing, "I've mentioned 160 00:09:15,708 --> 00:09:19,168 as a part about Mr. Carpenter, we have no evidence that anything happened in the 161 00:09:19,208 --> 00:09:21,268 middle school." Well, it's too late. 162 00:09:21,997 --> 00:09:23,548 The whole community already knows. 163 00:09:23,928 --> 00:09:27,378 Every time you say that there's no evidence, you're just proving 164 00:09:27,928 --> 00:09:30,028 that you are not trustworthy. 165 00:09:32,368 --> 00:09:33,568 Please do us a favor- 166 00:09:33,768 --> 00:09:34,298 Thank you for your comments, Mr. Carpenter 167 00:09:34,298 --> 00:09:35,308 ... leave our community. 168 00:09:37,468 --> 00:09:39,108 All right. Next up is Dwight Miller. 169 00:09:43,228 --> 00:09:44,548 Good evening. Dwight Miller, Avilla. 170 00:09:45,148 --> 00:09:48,937 I just wanted to speak about the policies that are up for adoption 171 00:09:48,948 --> 00:09:49,248 tonight. 172 00:09:50,268 --> 00:09:54,068 My concern is that there's many discrimination 173 00:09:54,088 --> 00:09:57,937 policies, and the consistency between the policies 174 00:09:57,988 --> 00:10:01,108 seems to vary. Some policies require 175 00:10:01,888 --> 00:10:05,548 reporting, other policies opt into the 176 00:10:05,588 --> 00:10:09,388 may report language, which seems 177 00:10:09,468 --> 00:10:12,248 inconsistent. I think that maybe we 178 00:10:12,268 --> 00:10:15,178 should get that squared away so that 179 00:10:15,768 --> 00:10:19,328 if discrimination is important, then maybe it should 180 00:10:19,428 --> 00:10:22,428 always be reported. Maybe we shouldn't have 181 00:10:23,168 --> 00:10:27,108 policies that may report and other policies that require 182 00:10:27,148 --> 00:10:30,508 reporting, because I think you set staff 183 00:10:30,608 --> 00:10:31,907 personnel up for 184 00:10:33,428 --> 00:10:36,668 the wrong, "I thought this was a may report. 185 00:10:36,728 --> 00:10:40,608 I didn't realize it was a must report." So I 186 00:10:40,648 --> 00:10:43,488 just hope you guys can think about that 187 00:10:44,668 --> 00:10:46,008 when you're moving forward. 188 00:10:47,788 --> 00:10:51,368 Policy 2266 changes the evidence 189 00:10:51,488 --> 00:10:55,248 standard of a determination under that policy, 190 00:10:56,368 --> 00:11:00,148 and if you're going to take administrative action on a 191 00:11:00,288 --> 00:11:01,548 student or 192 00:11:02,748 --> 00:11:05,648 a staff member or someone else, 193 00:11:07,528 --> 00:11:11,198 I think that maybe you should consider preponderance of the 194 00:11:11,268 --> 00:11:15,028 evidence to not be the standard. If we're going to 195 00:11:15,088 --> 00:11:18,708 fire someone or give them days off, I think we 196 00:11:18,748 --> 00:11:19,648 should feel 197 00:11:20,768 --> 00:11:24,308 reasonably certain that it happened instead of 198 00:11:24,468 --> 00:11:26,487 50.001%. 199 00:11:29,068 --> 00:11:29,948 And in that same 200 00:11:30,788 --> 00:11:32,048 policy, 201 00:11:33,768 --> 00:11:35,668 there's an option if you 202 00:11:36,868 --> 00:11:40,788 find that an employee has violated 203 00:11:40,828 --> 00:11:41,008 it, 204 00:11:42,748 --> 00:11:44,388 you can suspend them with pay. 205 00:11:46,188 --> 00:11:49,908 I don't think we should be suspending employees with pay for 206 00:11:49,928 --> 00:11:52,848 violations of a sexual harassment policy. 207 00:12:02,128 --> 00:12:04,268 I'm also not in favor of 208 00:12:05,788 --> 00:12:07,248 policy changes that 209 00:12:08,408 --> 00:12:10,928 remove appeals process for decisions. 210 00:12:11,688 --> 00:12:15,628 So I think that employees or students should 211 00:12:15,648 --> 00:12:19,508 have appeals processes if they feel that 212 00:12:19,588 --> 00:12:21,848 a decision has been rendered that is wrong 213 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:25,560 I think they should have the right to appeal. That's all I have. Thank you. 214 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,520 Thank you, Mr. Miller. Next up is Bill Kane. 215 00:12:33,220 --> 00:12:33,960 School board, thank you. 216 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,840 Just wanted to 217 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,860 explain our appreciation to the school board, 218 00:12:41,180 --> 00:12:44,740 central office staffer. It's a pleasure seeing you guys in the 219 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,320 community, being out at athletic events, community events, 220 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,370 meeting you, greeting you. We appreciate the support that you give to everybody at 221 00:12:52,460 --> 00:12:53,020 the middle school. 222 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,160 My main focus was we know that there's going to be a vote for the school calendar 223 00:12:58,260 --> 00:12:58,720 changes. 224 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,960 Obviously, Tara pretty much took a lot of the words out of my mouth. 225 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,020 But when it comes from the administrative side, we're asking you to 226 00:13:07,740 --> 00:13:09,640 take a look at everything that's in place. 227 00:13:10,580 --> 00:13:14,440 We want students in our building. Having two weeks spring break 228 00:13:14,980 --> 00:13:17,940 sometimes is nice, sometimes it's too long. 229 00:13:18,460 --> 00:13:21,700 But when we look at the kids that are in our building, we need them in the 230 00:13:21,740 --> 00:13:23,380 classrooms as much as possible. 231 00:13:24,460 --> 00:13:28,200 Going in to one week at spring break would 232 00:13:28,260 --> 00:13:32,140 be a huge benefit going into testing, no matter whether it's the 233 00:13:32,180 --> 00:13:33,700 last week of March, first week of April. 234 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,380 That limited time out of the classroom will make a difference. 235 00:13:38,820 --> 00:13:41,860 As a district, we have worked hard to increase our 236 00:13:41,900 --> 00:13:44,480 attendance for all of our buildings. 237 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,370 We've seen a steady increase, and taking a look at 238 00:13:48,420 --> 00:13:50,380 certain days or a shortened week, 239 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:55,080 sometimes we worry because we have to follow state law 240 00:13:55,780 --> 00:13:58,780 based on the number of days that a student misses school. 241 00:13:59,510 --> 00:14:02,460 And having a shortened week that might only be two days a week or three days a 242 00:14:02,540 --> 00:14:02,780 week, 243 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:07,120 sometimes that perception of a parent, "It's just two days, it's just three days," 244 00:14:08,140 --> 00:14:11,580 we take that to heart because we want the kids there, and we also 245 00:14:12,380 --> 00:14:14,260 need to follow policies and procedures. 246 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,350 So we're asking that you take a look at all those aspects, but 247 00:14:19,180 --> 00:14:22,940 the one week of spring break we like, and we know you're not going to make 248 00:14:22,980 --> 00:14:26,320 everybody happy. There's going to be people that want two weeks, people that want 249 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,100 one week, the difference in the Fridays and Monday switches and stuff. 250 00:14:30,820 --> 00:14:31,080 But 251 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,000 as a whole for the middle school, we want our kids in our building as much as 252 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,610 possible, and that goes back to some of the makeup days, 253 00:14:39,709 --> 00:14:43,310 decline in attendance during multiple virtual days. 254 00:14:44,540 --> 00:14:47,440 We want their butts in the classroom, is what it comes down to. 255 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:48,940 That's going to be the huge benefit. 256 00:14:49,870 --> 00:14:53,840 Whether it's an honors kid, a student with special needs, they 257 00:14:53,900 --> 00:14:57,680 need to have that routine consistent, especially going into that state 258 00:14:57,700 --> 00:14:59,160 testing. So, thank you. 259 00:15:00,020 --> 00:15:02,620 Thank you, Mr. Kane. Next up is Mr. Rice. 260 00:15:09,220 --> 00:15:09,650 Thank you. 261 00:15:09,650 --> 00:15:09,840 Yep. 262 00:15:14,740 --> 00:15:15,360 Good evening, board. 263 00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:20,620 Mr. President, I think about last year, I think it was in the 264 00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:24,400 summertime, where we had a school board member resign. 265 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,500 You wrote out a statement, and I mentioned this before, sir, 266 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,340 that East Noble School Corporation 267 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:34,900 maintains the highest 268 00:15:35,740 --> 00:15:36,560 standards 269 00:15:37,860 --> 00:15:38,820 of conduct 270 00:15:40,380 --> 00:15:41,440 and integrity. 271 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:43,560 Does anybody believe that? 272 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,399 Brett, do you believe that? 273 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:48,810 Well, if you give me about 10 minutes- 274 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,350 Mr. Rice, if you could present to me, you're not presenting to anybody else, 275 00:15:51,420 --> 00:15:51,640 please. 276 00:15:52,060 --> 00:15:53,940 Okay. And that brings up another issue, 277 00:15:54,860 --> 00:15:58,480 where other folks are allowed to interrupt or ask 278 00:15:58,540 --> 00:16:01,520 questions during their three-minute addresses. 279 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,200 We have it on video. 280 00:16:04,060 --> 00:16:06,340 Also, a citizen last week 281 00:16:08,180 --> 00:16:11,180 interrupted the business portion of the meeting to talk about the calendar. 282 00:16:11,300 --> 00:16:14,280 He was allowed to do that. So we apply the rules 283 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,989 inconsistently here, and one has to ask why 284 00:16:18,100 --> 00:16:18,800 is that? 285 00:16:19,940 --> 00:16:22,240 Is it because you have to be a part of the club? 286 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,360 I'm genuinely curious about that. 287 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,920 And when we think about the current situation with 288 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,560 the empty seat that we see up there, 289 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,180 I don't get pleasure out of somebody else's pain. 290 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,180 I don't think any of us do. 291 00:16:39,980 --> 00:16:42,220 And I hate to see her do that to herself. 292 00:16:43,540 --> 00:16:47,520 I truly do. But equally, I really hate what has 293 00:16:47,580 --> 00:16:49,120 happened to the victims 294 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:51,060 of 295 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,340 what we all know. I hate that. 296 00:16:55,700 --> 00:16:59,080 I also hate the fact that we've had a lot of moms out 297 00:16:59,140 --> 00:17:02,940 there who has been put in a position to 298 00:17:03,020 --> 00:17:06,600 talk to the victim and comfort her, get 299 00:17:06,661 --> 00:17:08,800 information from her, support her. 300 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,970 It's unfortunate that we, as a community, have to step out and 301 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:15,960 support the victims 302 00:17:16,901 --> 00:17:18,080 when you guys won't. 303 00:17:19,641 --> 00:17:23,020 You refuse to hold each other accountable. 304 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,881 And I'm not saying kick each other off. 305 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:25,120 You 306 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:29,160 have the tools in your war chest, if you will. 307 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,540 You can censure any board member. Not 308 00:17:33,620 --> 00:17:35,220 censor, but censure. 309 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,420 Believe that option is available to you, and that should've been used 310 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:44,420 a long time ago because of the behaviors of the empty seat up 311 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:44,640 there. 312 00:17:46,180 --> 00:17:49,300 So when you say, Mr. President, that 313 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:54,330 East Noble School Corporation maintains the highest standards of conduct 314 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:55,600 and integrity, 315 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,640 you don't apply it to yourselves. 316 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,280 And the community sees it. It's disrespectful to the 317 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,040 community, to the people who put you on the board, and ultimately, 318 00:18:07,340 --> 00:18:11,000 it's really disrespectful and sends a 319 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,740 very bad message to our kids here at East Noble. 320 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:16,740 Thank you for your comments. 321 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:19,560 All right, board. 322 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,960 Next up is you've had a chance to review the minutes from the previous meeting on- 323 00:18:26,636 --> 00:18:26,636 ... 324 00:18:27,536 --> 00:18:31,306 August 5th. Thank you. Is there a motion to approve those 325 00:18:31,376 --> 00:18:31,626 minutes? 326 00:18:32,256 --> 00:18:34,356 I'll make a motion to approve as presented. 327 00:18:34,696 --> 00:18:35,076 Second. 328 00:18:35,536 --> 00:18:38,436 Got a motion from Mr. Durbin and a second from Mrs. Blackman. 329 00:18:38,696 --> 00:18:39,735 All in favor say aye. 330 00:18:40,236 --> 00:18:40,246 Aye. 331 00:18:40,276 --> 00:18:40,696 Aye. 332 00:18:40,876 --> 00:18:41,576 Opposed the same. 333 00:18:42,696 --> 00:18:43,295 So moved. 334 00:18:44,236 --> 00:18:47,716 And you've also had a chance to review the claims from August 19th. 335 00:18:48,636 --> 00:18:51,216 Any questions or comments on those? 336 00:18:52,396 --> 00:18:55,016 Seeing none, is there a motion to approve those as written? 337 00:18:56,236 --> 00:18:58,136 I'll make a motion to approve as presented. 338 00:18:59,096 --> 00:18:59,656 I'll second. 339 00:19:00,236 --> 00:19:02,836 Motion from Mr. Durbin and a second from Mr. Byerly. 340 00:19:02,916 --> 00:19:04,496 All in favor say aye. 341 00:19:04,596 --> 00:19:04,906 Aye. 342 00:19:04,906 --> 00:19:05,176 Aye. 343 00:19:05,236 --> 00:19:05,986 Opposed the same. 344 00:19:07,136 --> 00:19:09,756 So moved. All right, moving on to personnel. 345 00:19:09,816 --> 00:19:11,016 You've had a chance to take a look- 346 00:19:11,116 --> 00:19:11,696 One thing, Doug. 347 00:19:12,076 --> 00:19:12,376 Sure. 348 00:19:12,716 --> 00:19:16,516 It was brought to me, I'm not sure if they couldn't find it or not, or if it wasn't 349 00:19:16,556 --> 00:19:20,516 posted, but it just had the first page of the claims, and it didn't 350 00:19:20,616 --> 00:19:24,096 actually have the full thing of the claims listed on the 351 00:19:24,136 --> 00:19:25,896 website. I don't know if we just missed it. 352 00:19:26,656 --> 00:19:27,536 We can look into that. 353 00:19:27,976 --> 00:19:31,376 But can we make sure that gets listed every month then? 354 00:19:32,256 --> 00:19:33,316 Thank you for bringing that up. 355 00:19:36,076 --> 00:19:39,346 So once again, you've had a chance to take a look at resignations, retirements, 356 00:19:39,996 --> 00:19:43,116 and there are no retirements. And 357 00:19:44,896 --> 00:19:47,976 terminations, is there a motion to approve those as written? 358 00:19:49,556 --> 00:19:50,656 I'll make a motion to approve. 359 00:19:52,216 --> 00:19:52,616 I'll second. 360 00:19:53,196 --> 00:19:56,526 We have a motion from Mr. Timmerman, a second from Mr. 361 00:19:56,776 --> 00:19:58,216 Byerly. All in favor say aye. 362 00:19:58,716 --> 00:19:59,026 Aye. 363 00:19:59,026 --> 00:19:59,026 Aye. 364 00:19:59,276 --> 00:20:01,536 Opposed the same. So moved. 365 00:20:02,516 --> 00:20:05,636 Reassignments, is there a motion to approve? 366 00:20:07,556 --> 00:20:09,076 I'll make a motion to approve as written. 367 00:20:10,756 --> 00:20:11,216 I'll second. 368 00:20:11,416 --> 00:20:14,096 We have a motion from Mr. Byerly and a second from Mr. Timmerman. 369 00:20:14,256 --> 00:20:15,776 All in favor say aye. 370 00:20:15,806 --> 00:20:15,806 Aye. 371 00:20:15,836 --> 00:20:17,226 Aye. 372 00:20:17,226 --> 00:20:18,856 Opposed the same. So moved. 373 00:20:19,756 --> 00:20:21,376 And then new hires. 374 00:20:23,076 --> 00:20:24,596 Is there a motion to approve as written? 375 00:20:26,696 --> 00:20:28,496 I'll make a motion to approve as presented. 376 00:20:28,916 --> 00:20:29,536 I'll second. 377 00:20:29,916 --> 00:20:33,036 Motion from Mr. Durbin and a second from Mrs. Blackman. 378 00:20:33,096 --> 00:20:34,176 All in favor say aye. 379 00:20:34,715 --> 00:20:34,896 Aye. 380 00:20:34,956 --> 00:20:35,196 Aye. 381 00:20:35,356 --> 00:20:36,076 Opposed the same. 382 00:20:37,396 --> 00:20:41,225 So moved. And we have a carve-out for Jennifer Miller as an applied skills IA at 383 00:20:41,276 --> 00:20:43,456 East Noble High School. Is there a motion? 384 00:20:43,496 --> 00:20:44,676 Which one? Just this one. 385 00:20:44,756 --> 00:20:47,456 Oh, sorry, that was last month. Sorry. My bad. 386 00:20:47,526 --> 00:20:48,936 It doesn't matter. 387 00:20:49,016 --> 00:20:51,336 I don't remember seeing it, but I had that written down. I didn't omit it. 388 00:20:52,316 --> 00:20:54,316 Leave requests. Is there a motion to approve? 389 00:20:55,516 --> 00:20:57,416 We do have two leave requests. 390 00:20:58,516 --> 00:21:00,536 I'll make a motion to approve as presented. 391 00:21:01,096 --> 00:21:01,716 I'll second. 392 00:21:02,316 --> 00:21:04,476 We have a motion from Mr. Durbin, a second from Mr. Timmerman. 393 00:21:04,516 --> 00:21:05,476 All in favor say aye. 394 00:21:05,876 --> 00:21:06,196 Aye. 395 00:21:06,446 --> 00:21:06,446 Aye. 396 00:21:06,446 --> 00:21:08,536 Opposed the same. So moved. 397 00:21:10,056 --> 00:21:13,656 All right. There is no instruction tonight, so we're going to 398 00:21:13,696 --> 00:21:15,836 immediately go into the business portion of our meeting. 399 00:21:16,516 --> 00:21:20,376 And first up is an action to approve an annual trip 400 00:21:21,316 --> 00:21:21,816 request. 401 00:21:22,576 --> 00:21:26,476 Every fall, we send in annual trip 402 00:21:26,536 --> 00:21:30,196 requests for you to approve. These are 403 00:21:30,976 --> 00:21:34,936 requests, some of them may not happen, but in order to make sure they 404 00:21:34,956 --> 00:21:38,916 can do the planning and see if they're available, we give the whole list. 405 00:21:39,936 --> 00:21:41,196 So, that was provided to you 406 00:21:42,596 --> 00:21:45,356 prior to the board meeting, so I ask for your approval at this time. 407 00:21:46,836 --> 00:21:48,496 I've got a question on that. 408 00:21:48,666 --> 00:21:48,666 Yep. 409 00:21:48,696 --> 00:21:52,496 I didn't notice we had an issue with the basketball team or a sports 410 00:21:52,576 --> 00:21:56,356 team, I think, wanting to take a trip in June or whatever. 411 00:21:58,476 --> 00:22:00,236 I didn't see anything like that on the list. 412 00:22:00,596 --> 00:22:03,336 No, and that specific trip, 413 00:22:04,256 --> 00:22:07,796 coach wasn't aware that he needed to get that in, in previous 414 00:22:07,816 --> 00:22:10,916 that much time. So he did get that in late. 415 00:22:11,236 --> 00:22:15,056 So, the athletic director did talk to him about that, making sure if they were 416 00:22:15,136 --> 00:22:17,396 planning anything to get them in way in advance. 417 00:22:17,686 --> 00:22:19,416 So as you see, it's not there. 418 00:22:19,956 --> 00:22:20,176 Okay. 419 00:22:21,296 --> 00:22:25,216 So if it's something they want to do, they're going to possibly down, but hopefully 420 00:22:26,316 --> 00:22:27,616 we don't have to have a special meeting. 421 00:22:27,676 --> 00:22:29,496 Yeah. No, I don't see that happening. 422 00:22:29,696 --> 00:22:29,956 Thank you. 423 00:22:30,236 --> 00:22:30,376 Yep. 424 00:22:33,156 --> 00:22:35,736 Any other comments or discussion, board? 425 00:22:37,696 --> 00:22:39,476 Seeing none, is there a motion to approve? 426 00:22:39,856 --> 00:22:41,796 I'll make a motion to approve as presented. 427 00:22:42,376 --> 00:22:42,975 I'll second. 428 00:22:43,216 --> 00:22:45,396 We have a motion from Mr. Durbin, a second from Mrs. Blackman. 429 00:22:45,456 --> 00:22:46,356 All in favor say aye. 430 00:22:47,045 --> 00:22:47,045 Aye. 431 00:22:47,076 --> 00:22:47,626 Aye. 432 00:22:47,636 --> 00:22:48,345 Opposed the same. 433 00:22:49,636 --> 00:22:51,916 All right, we're going to move on to our board policies. 434 00:22:51,936 --> 00:22:54,686 We're going to do these like we did last meeting. 435 00:22:54,916 --> 00:22:55,055 Calendar. 436 00:22:55,156 --> 00:22:57,316 Sorry. I do have that written down. 437 00:22:58,296 --> 00:22:59,956 It's time to talk about the calendar. 438 00:23:00,536 --> 00:23:02,036 Guess we've been talking about that quite a bit. 439 00:23:03,596 --> 00:23:04,816 Steve, if you could start us off. And 440 00:23:05,736 --> 00:23:09,636 I know, board, you've had a chance to look at all three proposals that Steve has 441 00:23:09,656 --> 00:23:13,436 presented us with. We have his proposal, we have a recommendation that came from 442 00:23:13,516 --> 00:23:15,596 Jen, and a recommendation from Brent. 443 00:23:16,496 --> 00:23:19,296 And Steve, if you could frame things out for us, I'd appreciate it. 444 00:23:19,326 --> 00:23:20,356 Yeah. So the first calendar- 445 00:23:20,386 --> 00:23:20,756 Before we get started- 446 00:23:20,976 --> 00:23:21,006 Go ahead 447 00:23:21,036 --> 00:23:21,676 ... I would like to, 448 00:23:22,976 --> 00:23:24,776 I think listening to 449 00:23:26,516 --> 00:23:28,756 the public and thinking more about what we 450 00:23:29,636 --> 00:23:30,576 have currently- 451 00:23:31,216 --> 00:23:31,416 Mm-hmm 452 00:23:31,536 --> 00:23:32,936 ... I'm going to withdraw 453 00:23:33,736 --> 00:23:35,256 my proposed calendar. 454 00:23:35,656 --> 00:23:35,876 Okay. 455 00:23:36,696 --> 00:23:39,706 So you don't have to discuss that, or I don't have to clarify that. 456 00:23:39,716 --> 00:23:40,696 We'll just breeze by it. 457 00:23:41,256 --> 00:23:42,336 Sounds good. 458 00:23:42,856 --> 00:23:43,156 Thanks. 459 00:23:43,356 --> 00:23:43,936 Okay. 460 00:23:48,176 --> 00:23:51,576 The first calendar I have up is the one I proposed. 461 00:23:51,876 --> 00:23:53,136 It's the one I've been proposing. 462 00:23:55,056 --> 00:23:58,776 The only difference between me and the one that Jen had proposed was when we take 463 00:23:58,836 --> 00:24:01,676 the days off. It's 11-day 464 00:24:01,796 --> 00:24:04,836 calendar for spring break. 465 00:24:05,536 --> 00:24:09,516 There's a two days before it's beginning of the year for Teacher Day, one 466 00:24:09,556 --> 00:24:11,516 day after they come back from Christmas break. 467 00:24:12,156 --> 00:24:15,916 And then I inserted makeup 468 00:24:15,936 --> 00:24:19,136 days, which the state's requiring to do two there. 469 00:24:19,186 --> 00:24:23,036 I think I have three up there. I think I have four that would allow us to 470 00:24:23,116 --> 00:24:25,936 just have a standard snow day 471 00:24:27,324 --> 00:24:31,164 And then have make-up days later. So that's the calendar that you 472 00:24:31,244 --> 00:24:34,984 have seen several times. So that's the one I'm 473 00:24:35,004 --> 00:24:38,144 presenting. Once again, that'll put our students in the building more- 474 00:24:40,344 --> 00:24:42,264 ... with a shorter spring break before testing. 475 00:24:44,804 --> 00:24:46,584 I have a question about 476 00:24:48,324 --> 00:24:52,294 why not... So the 3rd and 4th of August, are 477 00:24:52,384 --> 00:24:52,804 those 478 00:24:54,004 --> 00:24:57,984 the days that they're in their classroom, or is that the 479 00:24:58,304 --> 00:25:01,584 first day of the welcome back and in school? 480 00:25:02,004 --> 00:25:05,304 The 3rd and 4th are teacher days. 481 00:25:05,864 --> 00:25:06,664 Okay. So- 482 00:25:06,904 --> 00:25:08,584 5th would be the first day. 483 00:25:09,104 --> 00:25:11,324 Right. So there won't be a welcome back. 484 00:25:11,884 --> 00:25:13,384 That's in those first two teacher days. 485 00:25:13,584 --> 00:25:14,484 Okay. So, 486 00:25:16,204 --> 00:25:16,663 okay. 487 00:25:16,964 --> 00:25:17,064 So it's 488 00:25:18,204 --> 00:25:19,844 presented the same as it was this year. 489 00:25:19,924 --> 00:25:23,764 So that 3rd is everybody together, and then the next, and it's like the- 490 00:25:24,504 --> 00:25:25,184 Oh, no. Okay. 491 00:25:25,214 --> 00:25:28,284 Parent come back to school night. They have all of their meetings. 492 00:25:28,604 --> 00:25:31,634 One of the reasons we made that adjustment, after talking with the association 493 00:25:31,664 --> 00:25:35,404 about it, is they like to have a day when they come back just to regroup 494 00:25:35,484 --> 00:25:37,984 after the holiday and get ready for the second semester. 495 00:25:38,544 --> 00:25:41,984 Especially since we went into a broken semester, and we won't be in the middle of a 496 00:25:42,024 --> 00:25:42,964 trimester then. It'll be 497 00:25:43,924 --> 00:25:44,824 a definite break. 498 00:25:46,984 --> 00:25:47,224 Thank you. 499 00:25:48,484 --> 00:25:52,324 And so if we started on the 2nd, but that puts us 500 00:25:53,364 --> 00:25:56,824 Wednesday as a first day of school 501 00:25:57,564 --> 00:25:58,064 in your- 502 00:25:59,024 --> 00:25:59,944 You'll find- 503 00:25:59,974 --> 00:26:00,204 If I move it 504 00:26:00,264 --> 00:26:00,544 Go down 505 00:26:01,324 --> 00:26:01,924 And then... 506 00:26:02,804 --> 00:26:06,284 You'll find the closer you get to July, the less the teachers like it. 507 00:26:06,784 --> 00:26:07,024 Okay. 508 00:26:08,244 --> 00:26:08,404 Okay. 509 00:26:11,264 --> 00:26:12,064 I have a quick question. 510 00:26:13,104 --> 00:26:16,604 Based off of what Ms. Tara said earlier from the public 511 00:26:16,664 --> 00:26:17,304 comments, 512 00:26:18,704 --> 00:26:21,724 she had stated that if we moved the 513 00:26:22,424 --> 00:26:26,314 spring break week back into March, that gives 514 00:26:26,504 --> 00:26:27,844 us two weeks until testing. 515 00:26:29,484 --> 00:26:32,924 Maybe I missed it when we talked about the testing, and maybe you addressed 516 00:26:33,004 --> 00:26:36,083 this when I was out earlier this month, but 517 00:26:36,924 --> 00:26:39,264 I thought we already had a gap for that testing. 518 00:26:39,324 --> 00:26:40,784 It wasn't right up against it, 519 00:26:41,784 --> 00:26:43,044 basically. You know what I'm saying? 520 00:26:43,224 --> 00:26:46,864 So I'm just wondering, I want to make sure we know where the testing 521 00:26:46,944 --> 00:26:47,484 falls. 522 00:26:48,804 --> 00:26:52,544 And does that vary like for elementary versus middle school 523 00:26:52,584 --> 00:26:54,684 versus in high school stuff? 524 00:27:01,344 --> 00:27:03,224 So, the second week in April 525 00:27:04,044 --> 00:27:04,554 has the 526 00:27:06,024 --> 00:27:09,004 three days we will be attending school on those days. 527 00:27:09,284 --> 00:27:09,544 Mm-hmm. 528 00:27:10,824 --> 00:27:14,614 First week in April. And I was trying to gauge some of that by how Impact schedules 529 00:27:14,644 --> 00:27:16,724 their breaks, too. 530 00:27:17,584 --> 00:27:17,964 Gotcha. 531 00:27:18,864 --> 00:27:20,844 So that lines up a couple of things. 532 00:27:20,904 --> 00:27:22,994 As she's looking up the testing, 533 00:27:24,724 --> 00:27:28,524 that first week in April lines up with what other schools 534 00:27:28,584 --> 00:27:30,314 that are in Impact with us. 535 00:27:30,364 --> 00:27:32,344 A lot of them in this area, yes. 536 00:27:33,004 --> 00:27:33,084 Okay. 537 00:27:36,764 --> 00:27:40,224 Does the last week in March not 538 00:27:42,764 --> 00:27:43,084 work 539 00:27:44,064 --> 00:27:45,604 for the students in Impact? 540 00:27:46,624 --> 00:27:48,084 It does, but most- 541 00:27:48,144 --> 00:27:50,224 Because it was 50/50 the way they wanted it. 542 00:27:50,424 --> 00:27:51,594 Yeah. Most of the schools 543 00:27:53,084 --> 00:27:56,944 are in session that last 544 00:27:57,004 --> 00:27:59,764 week in March, and then they got the first week in April. 545 00:28:01,564 --> 00:28:02,344 So it would work 546 00:28:03,184 --> 00:28:04,464 to take the last week of March off? 547 00:28:05,344 --> 00:28:06,824 That's the... Yeah. 548 00:28:07,504 --> 00:28:08,684 We could still do that. I mean- 549 00:28:09,484 --> 00:28:09,764 That's the- 550 00:28:09,944 --> 00:28:10,224 I don't- 551 00:28:10,254 --> 00:28:11,904 ... original one we've already approved is like- 552 00:28:11,984 --> 00:28:14,064 I don't have any ownership of that first week in April. 553 00:28:14,104 --> 00:28:16,824 I mean, it doesn't make a difference one way or another to me. 554 00:28:17,224 --> 00:28:20,444 I was more focused on trying to narrow that down 555 00:28:21,144 --> 00:28:22,184 away from the two full weeks. 556 00:28:23,944 --> 00:28:26,064 So I have some assessment dates here for you. 557 00:28:26,224 --> 00:28:29,704 So at the high school, the iLearn Biology 558 00:28:30,404 --> 00:28:33,904 ECA assessment starts on April 12th, as does the 559 00:28:33,944 --> 00:28:37,824 Geometry ECA assessment. And then 560 00:28:37,884 --> 00:28:41,444 at the middle school, the iLearn Summative 561 00:28:41,684 --> 00:28:45,144 starts on April 13th, and then in 562 00:28:45,224 --> 00:28:48,924 grades three through five, the iLearn Summative 563 00:28:48,984 --> 00:28:51,284 begins April 26th. 564 00:29:02,824 --> 00:29:06,804 So Steve's calendar really doesn't give us that much benefit. 565 00:29:10,904 --> 00:29:12,104 As far as testing. Yeah. 566 00:29:12,504 --> 00:29:12,684 Yeah. 567 00:29:12,884 --> 00:29:15,224 Yeah. Doesn't improve that for the high school, at least. 568 00:29:16,504 --> 00:29:18,684 I like the idea of moving that to the last week of March. 569 00:29:18,704 --> 00:29:20,204 Well, that's how we've had it for years. 570 00:29:20,424 --> 00:29:21,844 Yeah. Well, but one week. 571 00:29:21,944 --> 00:29:22,464 Just shorten it. 572 00:29:22,524 --> 00:29:23,504 Just one week. Yeah. 573 00:29:23,764 --> 00:29:25,284 Yeah. I'm on that. I can- 574 00:29:25,564 --> 00:29:26,704 Only take one week? 575 00:29:26,904 --> 00:29:26,914 Mm. 576 00:29:27,084 --> 00:29:27,844 Or have... 577 00:29:30,324 --> 00:29:31,274 I like our original, 578 00:29:32,144 --> 00:29:34,714 the way what we approved before, that there are two weeks. 579 00:29:35,124 --> 00:29:35,404 Gotcha. 580 00:29:35,604 --> 00:29:37,944 Now. And some people have already planned- 581 00:29:38,244 --> 00:29:38,404 What- 582 00:29:38,524 --> 00:29:42,384 ... breaks, and it seems like when we would come back, then on 583 00:29:42,444 --> 00:29:44,004 April 7th, 584 00:29:46,264 --> 00:29:47,054 they would have, 585 00:29:50,344 --> 00:29:52,944 well, two days instead... You said the 12th? Am I sure? 586 00:29:53,284 --> 00:29:54,294 Mm-hmm. It's the 1st. 587 00:29:54,544 --> 00:29:57,524 Two days instead of one day. 588 00:29:58,524 --> 00:29:59,584 I didn't know what was the 589 00:30:00,564 --> 00:30:02,244 survey when you did the survey and 590 00:30:03,544 --> 00:30:07,404 what was there a question about one week, cut spring break down 591 00:30:07,444 --> 00:30:07,904 to one week? 592 00:30:08,034 --> 00:30:08,524 Yes, there was. 593 00:30:08,894 --> 00:30:11,424 And that was a 50/50 because we haven't seen the results. 594 00:30:12,064 --> 00:30:15,984 There was about 1,000, about 1,100 595 00:30:16,044 --> 00:30:20,004 responses, and it was within 30 points either 596 00:30:20,044 --> 00:30:20,284 way. 597 00:30:21,624 --> 00:30:25,184 What if you started it off on the 20... 598 00:30:25,324 --> 00:30:26,924 Is that the 23rd 599 00:30:27,744 --> 00:30:28,504 on a Thursday? 600 00:30:30,316 --> 00:30:34,036 And then you have those two days off, and then you have that full week off, and you 601 00:30:34,096 --> 00:30:37,806 come back the beginning of April. Then you have the same amount of 602 00:30:37,896 --> 00:30:40,756 days that you have currently now. You're just pushing it up. 603 00:30:41,436 --> 00:30:44,986 So you have more time for testing, but you still have the same dates, and that 604 00:30:45,076 --> 00:30:46,086 leaves time for your 605 00:30:47,076 --> 00:30:48,496 makeup days as well. 606 00:30:48,556 --> 00:30:49,676 Like Jen's calendar was. 607 00:30:50,116 --> 00:30:50,296 I thought- 608 00:30:50,376 --> 00:30:50,776 Yeah, but I'm- 609 00:30:51,076 --> 00:30:54,656 I thought hers was moving it forward in April, I thought. 610 00:30:54,796 --> 00:30:54,936 No. 611 00:30:55,376 --> 00:30:55,516 No? 612 00:30:56,056 --> 00:30:56,216 No. 613 00:30:57,076 --> 00:31:00,746 The only difference between Jen's and Steve's was that, 614 00:31:01,436 --> 00:31:03,956 the date that Steve has on the 10th that's off, 615 00:31:04,756 --> 00:31:05,245 April 10th- 616 00:31:05,296 --> 00:31:06,196 Monday, Thursday, that's right 617 00:31:06,216 --> 00:31:07,436 ... she moved that to the 618 00:31:09,656 --> 00:31:10,976 30th of March. 619 00:31:11,736 --> 00:31:11,925 Mm-hmm. 620 00:31:11,925 --> 00:31:15,745 So boom, instead of having a day at the beginning and the end, you had 621 00:31:15,796 --> 00:31:17,675 two days at the beginning. 622 00:31:18,536 --> 00:31:21,916 Well, it wouldn't be exactly like Jen's because we're moving it all the way up into 623 00:31:21,956 --> 00:31:22,296 March. 624 00:31:22,456 --> 00:31:23,916 Right. I'm just saying- 625 00:31:24,856 --> 00:31:26,216 It's just that one day that's going to be a no 626 00:31:26,226 --> 00:31:26,556 ... that difference. 627 00:31:27,116 --> 00:31:28,616 You still have the same number of days off. 628 00:31:28,816 --> 00:31:29,016 Yeah. 629 00:31:29,696 --> 00:31:31,496 But it'd be Thursday, Friday, then the next week. 630 00:31:31,596 --> 00:31:33,356 Not Friday, next week, and then Monday. 631 00:31:34,636 --> 00:31:36,776 My eyes are kind of bad. So it'd be- 632 00:31:36,976 --> 00:31:37,156 Okay 633 00:31:37,196 --> 00:31:37,196 ... 634 00:31:38,536 --> 00:31:39,636 March 23rd 635 00:31:41,156 --> 00:31:41,256 to- 636 00:31:41,296 --> 00:31:41,326 No 637 00:31:41,326 --> 00:31:42,416 ... March 31st, 638 00:31:43,476 --> 00:31:44,466 and then they'd come back- 639 00:31:44,656 --> 00:31:46,226 Oh, I thought hers was March 30th to- 640 00:31:46,276 --> 00:31:48,116 No, this is what I just came up with just now- 641 00:31:48,216 --> 00:31:48,556 Oh, got you 642 00:31:48,576 --> 00:31:50,276 ... when I was sitting here. Not what Jen was saying. 643 00:31:51,016 --> 00:31:51,336 Okay. 644 00:31:51,956 --> 00:31:52,996 March 23rd- 645 00:31:53,456 --> 00:31:53,596 Uh-huh 646 00:31:53,656 --> 00:31:57,196 ... then you have those two days off, and then you go into the next week, have that 647 00:31:57,276 --> 00:31:59,526 full week off. So you have your week before- 648 00:31:59,856 --> 00:32:00,156 Mm-hmm 649 00:32:00,516 --> 00:32:04,346 ... and you're not losing or gaining any days that you have on 650 00:32:04,576 --> 00:32:06,946 Steve's calendar now. We're just shifting it because you have 651 00:32:08,316 --> 00:32:12,116 five days there off, and then you have the 10th off and the 31st, so that's seven 652 00:32:12,196 --> 00:32:12,596 days. 653 00:32:13,026 --> 00:32:13,026 Mm-hmm. 654 00:32:13,036 --> 00:32:16,816 So you just count back five, six, seven, 20... So it's the same days off. 655 00:32:17,216 --> 00:32:19,836 You're just shifting it towards March. It's the same days. 656 00:32:19,866 --> 00:32:21,716 And you're given more for testing. 657 00:32:21,756 --> 00:32:21,996 Mm-hmm. 658 00:32:25,136 --> 00:32:28,866 Yeah. Once again, I like that break, or coming back two 659 00:32:28,976 --> 00:32:32,696 days and start testing. I think it'd be nicer because the whole thing, in my 660 00:32:32,736 --> 00:32:35,616 opinion, was framed out as we're trying to do this for student outcomes to 661 00:32:35,656 --> 00:32:39,056 increase scores and get kids 662 00:32:39,936 --> 00:32:40,396 direct 663 00:32:41,836 --> 00:32:42,656 instruction- 664 00:32:42,696 --> 00:32:42,716 Yeah 665 00:32:42,726 --> 00:32:43,436 ... in front of teachers. 666 00:32:44,196 --> 00:32:44,316 Yeah. 667 00:32:44,386 --> 00:32:48,296 So, I like, personally, the shortened two weeks. 668 00:32:49,316 --> 00:32:50,956 So why don't we do it right after 669 00:32:52,096 --> 00:32:52,556 second 670 00:32:54,556 --> 00:32:55,586 quarter or third quarter? 671 00:32:56,316 --> 00:32:57,056 What week would that be? 672 00:32:57,876 --> 00:32:58,436 That was what you- 673 00:32:58,776 --> 00:32:59,656 March 13th. 674 00:33:04,176 --> 00:33:04,856 Not opposed to that. 675 00:33:05,916 --> 00:33:07,856 Is there a reason that wouldn't be a good idea? 676 00:33:09,736 --> 00:33:10,546 Those three full weeks. 677 00:33:10,616 --> 00:33:12,656 To do just the week at March 13th? 678 00:33:14,016 --> 00:33:16,776 No, not one week, two weeks. Are you saying one week or two weeks? 679 00:33:17,676 --> 00:33:17,696 I 680 00:33:18,516 --> 00:33:19,796 like the way my calendar is- 681 00:33:19,956 --> 00:33:20,126 I do too 682 00:33:20,126 --> 00:33:22,676 ... but if you're trying to adjust this one to whatever. 683 00:33:22,836 --> 00:33:23,056 Yeah. 684 00:33:23,326 --> 00:33:23,326 Yeah. 685 00:33:23,336 --> 00:33:25,596 She wants to know if she should put Brent's on here this time. 686 00:33:25,936 --> 00:33:27,316 Can we go look at Brent's calendar? 687 00:33:27,336 --> 00:33:28,856 Yeah. Put up the last one, if you would. 688 00:33:37,556 --> 00:33:40,036 So you're saying do two weeks starting March 13th? 689 00:33:41,476 --> 00:33:41,616 Yeah. 690 00:33:43,076 --> 00:33:43,656 No, that one doesn't- 691 00:33:43,696 --> 00:33:47,056 No, what I was saying with if you were changing Steve's around- 692 00:33:47,336 --> 00:33:47,596 Yes. 693 00:33:48,876 --> 00:33:50,016 Move it to March 13th. Yeah 694 00:33:50,026 --> 00:33:50,205 ... to the dates that are there. But- 695 00:33:50,816 --> 00:33:53,456 I would not be opposed to that unless there's something in the way of doing it that 696 00:33:53,516 --> 00:33:53,736 early 697 00:33:53,746 --> 00:33:56,746 ... and if it'd be best to move our two weeks to the end of the year- 698 00:33:56,756 --> 00:33:59,436 To get even more time for testing afterwards. 699 00:33:59,476 --> 00:34:01,756 Did you say something, Michelle, that there was some testing before 700 00:34:03,336 --> 00:34:05,176 in March? Did that come up last 701 00:34:06,276 --> 00:34:06,536 meeting? 702 00:34:06,596 --> 00:34:07,716 What are we squeezing there? 703 00:34:08,256 --> 00:34:09,357 So in March, 704 00:34:10,457 --> 00:34:13,176 we have the SAT, March 1 through March 12th. 705 00:34:14,536 --> 00:34:18,496 We have IRA the first week of March, basically the same window, one through 12th. 706 00:34:18,576 --> 00:34:19,457 So those would be done. 707 00:34:20,276 --> 00:34:23,937 And then right now we have scheduled from March 8th to the 708 00:34:23,976 --> 00:34:27,756 19th, which is a big window, iLearn Checkpoint 3. 709 00:34:29,836 --> 00:34:30,116 Okay. 710 00:34:32,236 --> 00:34:33,536 That was what, 8th through the- 711 00:34:33,796 --> 00:34:34,196 19th. 712 00:34:34,256 --> 00:34:34,676 19th 713 00:34:35,596 --> 00:34:36,036 of March? 714 00:34:36,496 --> 00:34:36,877 Correct. 715 00:34:37,636 --> 00:34:38,917 And what's that look like? Do you... 716 00:34:39,496 --> 00:34:39,696 So- 717 00:34:39,937 --> 00:34:41,576 That has some wiggle room. So the state- 718 00:34:41,656 --> 00:34:41,667 Okay 719 00:34:41,667 --> 00:34:45,576 ... gives us a window on the checkpoints, and then we make it 720 00:34:45,636 --> 00:34:47,816 match to where we are in our curriculum maps. 721 00:34:48,917 --> 00:34:48,926 So it's- 722 00:34:48,926 --> 00:34:52,696 So we have wiggle room with the state, but it would 723 00:34:52,716 --> 00:34:56,016 throw us off. We'd like to get to a certain point in our teaching and then do the 724 00:34:56,076 --> 00:34:56,616 assessment. 725 00:34:56,877 --> 00:34:58,036 How many days does that take to do? 726 00:34:59,716 --> 00:35:00,696 It varies. 727 00:35:02,236 --> 00:35:05,716 Because the 8th through the 19th is for grades three, four, and five, 728 00:35:06,596 --> 00:35:08,496 English Language Arts and Math. 729 00:35:08,846 --> 00:35:08,846 Mm-hmm. 730 00:35:08,856 --> 00:35:10,156 And then till you break them down into 731 00:35:11,416 --> 00:35:14,816 small groups, schedules can go up to two weeks. 732 00:35:16,476 --> 00:35:19,476 The teachers would be willing to, the principals would be willing to schedule 733 00:35:19,536 --> 00:35:20,476 around what we need to. 734 00:35:21,296 --> 00:35:21,616 Okay. 735 00:35:32,036 --> 00:35:32,496 This is the- 736 00:35:32,506 --> 00:35:34,456 This would be back to the two-week break. 737 00:35:34,496 --> 00:35:37,236 This is really close to the original, correct, Brent? 738 00:35:37,296 --> 00:35:37,786 Yeah, this-- Yeah, there it is 739 00:35:37,786 --> 00:35:41,496 Close to the original. I just adjusted it for the three makeup 740 00:35:41,616 --> 00:35:45,156 days or whatever else. This wasn't exactly what I had, 741 00:35:45,236 --> 00:35:46,376 but that's all right. 742 00:35:46,976 --> 00:35:50,916 But you put a lot of makeup days on the backside if we need them at the 743 00:35:50,956 --> 00:35:51,106 very end. 744 00:35:51,136 --> 00:35:53,756 If you need them. Yep, that would be your call. 745 00:35:54,696 --> 00:35:55,616 Superintendent's call. 746 00:35:57,236 --> 00:36:01,196 Only problem I have with them being at the very end is those are garbage 747 00:36:01,276 --> 00:36:01,556 days. 748 00:36:03,356 --> 00:36:04,216 They're just 749 00:36:05,096 --> 00:36:06,976 replacing days. They aren't replacing instruction. 750 00:36:07,296 --> 00:36:09,576 I've kind of heard that about the other one, too. 751 00:36:09,916 --> 00:36:11,466 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's not- 752 00:36:11,576 --> 00:36:15,216 With different superintendents and administrators and teachers that I've talked... 753 00:36:15,336 --> 00:36:17,176 I've got a pretty big network- 754 00:36:17,316 --> 00:36:17,456 Yeah 755 00:36:17,736 --> 00:36:21,316 ... outside of this footprint that I consult with or talk with. 756 00:36:21,476 --> 00:36:21,556 Yeah. 757 00:36:21,566 --> 00:36:22,526 I shouldn't say consult, but- 758 00:36:23,596 --> 00:36:24,056 They start- 759 00:36:24,496 --> 00:36:25,356 Their opinions about- 760 00:36:25,416 --> 00:36:26,625 Not productive. There's make- 761 00:36:26,936 --> 00:36:27,096 No. 762 00:36:27,336 --> 00:36:30,596 I'm sorry, Greg, this is not a meeting for the public. 763 00:36:30,716 --> 00:36:33,836 Oh, okay. Thank you for your inconsistency. 764 00:36:36,504 --> 00:36:37,544 Sorry, board. 765 00:36:37,854 --> 00:36:37,884 No, 766 00:36:38,904 --> 00:36:38,914 go on. 767 00:36:38,944 --> 00:36:40,554 Greg, we have a business meeting to- 768 00:36:41,044 --> 00:36:41,524 Be careful 769 00:36:41,543 --> 00:36:43,744 ... attend to here. Thanks for your opinion, Greg. 770 00:36:45,004 --> 00:36:46,044 Keep going, Brent. Sorry. 771 00:36:46,254 --> 00:36:46,554 Thanks for the strong arm. 772 00:36:46,594 --> 00:36:50,364 I was just saying that I've got a lot of friends that 773 00:36:50,424 --> 00:36:53,424 are teachers, administrators, whatever. 774 00:36:53,444 --> 00:36:55,244 When stuff like this comes up, I normally 775 00:36:56,224 --> 00:36:57,764 pick their brains, get their opinions. 776 00:36:58,004 --> 00:36:58,014 Yeah. 777 00:36:58,014 --> 00:37:00,364 "What do you think about this? Does this make sense? 778 00:37:01,104 --> 00:37:02,194 Does this make nonsense?" So. 779 00:37:02,204 --> 00:37:02,984 Yeah, I got you. 780 00:37:04,604 --> 00:37:04,824 So 781 00:37:05,684 --> 00:37:07,604 I think we've heard each other's opinions. 782 00:37:07,924 --> 00:37:10,744 I think there's a few of us that like the one week, there's a few of us that like 783 00:37:10,764 --> 00:37:14,484 the two week. Is there anybody that wants to make a motion to see if anything 784 00:37:14,844 --> 00:37:17,364 passes? Is there more discussion? 785 00:37:18,644 --> 00:37:22,224 I don't know that there's any one exact calendar for any of us. 786 00:37:22,864 --> 00:37:26,824 So I don't know how we could make a motion, unless we're going to accept one of the 787 00:37:26,844 --> 00:37:27,024 three- 788 00:37:27,524 --> 00:37:29,984 Yeah, we could do that, if someone wants to make a motion on that. 789 00:37:30,244 --> 00:37:30,384 Yeah 790 00:37:30,904 --> 00:37:32,844 ... so it'd be one of the three calendars. 791 00:37:32,944 --> 00:37:33,304 Mm-hmm. 792 00:37:34,744 --> 00:37:34,984 What's- 793 00:37:35,224 --> 00:37:36,094 Can I see your calendars real quick? 794 00:37:36,184 --> 00:37:37,144 Mine or Brent's? 795 00:37:37,164 --> 00:37:41,064 Just all three of them real quick, please. It's hard to see the screen. 796 00:37:41,104 --> 00:37:41,414 I should have printed them. 797 00:37:41,414 --> 00:37:42,284 Joe, if you want to pull up the screen. 798 00:37:42,324 --> 00:37:45,664 I would actually make a motion to modify the calendar myself. 799 00:37:45,844 --> 00:37:46,034 Which one? 800 00:37:46,034 --> 00:37:46,844 What do you have in mind? 801 00:37:47,624 --> 00:37:48,284 Steve's calendar. 802 00:37:48,924 --> 00:37:49,124 Okay. 803 00:37:50,124 --> 00:37:50,814 What would you like to modify it to? 804 00:37:50,824 --> 00:37:53,764 I would make a motion to move 805 00:37:55,124 --> 00:37:55,524 the 806 00:37:56,384 --> 00:37:58,364 week of spring break from, 807 00:38:00,284 --> 00:38:03,564 Steve had the 31st 808 00:38:03,864 --> 00:38:05,204 basically through the 10th. 809 00:38:06,504 --> 00:38:10,224 I would move that up and go the 23rd through the 31st of 810 00:38:10,284 --> 00:38:10,744 March. 811 00:38:11,564 --> 00:38:12,174 I'll second that. 812 00:38:12,174 --> 00:38:13,074 Similar to what- 813 00:38:13,104 --> 00:38:13,364 Hang on. Hang on 814 00:38:13,424 --> 00:38:14,804 ... Joel had suggested. 815 00:38:15,364 --> 00:38:15,604 Okay. 816 00:38:16,064 --> 00:38:19,984 I would keep the makeup days the same as what Steve had. 817 00:38:20,704 --> 00:38:20,924 Okay. 818 00:38:23,524 --> 00:38:26,504 I don't know if there's anything else that needs to be visited with it. 819 00:38:26,664 --> 00:38:27,484 Can you repeat that? 820 00:38:28,384 --> 00:38:29,104 Yeah, so 821 00:38:30,704 --> 00:38:34,044 basically moving spring break to start March 23rd 822 00:38:35,264 --> 00:38:38,244 and end on the 31st of March. 823 00:38:39,444 --> 00:38:43,384 And there'll be lots of families, again, previous superintendent experience, 824 00:38:45,184 --> 00:38:48,124 who will then leave on the 22nd or the 21st. 825 00:38:48,384 --> 00:38:52,184 You realize that? It doesn't matter where you start your 826 00:38:52,264 --> 00:38:52,874 spring break- 827 00:38:55,164 --> 00:38:55,194 Yeah 828 00:38:55,194 --> 00:38:57,164 ... you drift and you lose days. 829 00:38:58,204 --> 00:39:01,504 So that's part of the theory. If we have two weeks, they're going to miss even 830 00:39:01,624 --> 00:39:02,984 more, because you're right. 831 00:39:03,014 --> 00:39:03,364 Yeah, if they- 832 00:39:03,504 --> 00:39:03,874 They're going to have that 833 00:39:03,884 --> 00:39:06,944 ... do two weeks, they typically shouldn't leave early. 834 00:39:07,024 --> 00:39:09,494 They aren't rushed. They don't have to get back. 835 00:39:09,534 --> 00:39:11,364 But to Jen's point, no matter what, they're going to leave early. 836 00:39:11,644 --> 00:39:12,244 Well- 837 00:39:12,344 --> 00:39:13,264 It's just some schedules- 838 00:39:13,324 --> 00:39:13,333 Drivers are used to them 839 00:39:13,333 --> 00:39:15,004 ... "Hey, we have to leave to hit this." 840 00:39:15,904 --> 00:39:17,874 So I would just argue that, that's all. 841 00:39:17,874 --> 00:39:20,084 I guess my gut is we got to start somewhere. 842 00:39:20,124 --> 00:39:20,324 Yeah. 843 00:39:20,664 --> 00:39:24,464 I feel like I like Steve's concept 844 00:39:24,624 --> 00:39:24,994 of 845 00:39:26,184 --> 00:39:28,584 this is going to help have students in class. 846 00:39:28,684 --> 00:39:29,504 It also helps 847 00:39:30,324 --> 00:39:33,864 the IAs and the others that are in an hourly 848 00:39:33,904 --> 00:39:37,084 situation to maybe at least make up three days. 849 00:39:39,284 --> 00:39:41,384 Not to say we can't do some of the stuff that Ms. 850 00:39:41,404 --> 00:39:44,984 Terra talked about, but from that standpoint, I think we start 851 00:39:45,024 --> 00:39:48,724 somewhere and if we've got to modify after next year, we do that. 852 00:39:49,254 --> 00:39:49,934 Or adjust, but- 853 00:39:50,544 --> 00:39:52,514 I'm not sure if you've thought about, but 854 00:39:53,324 --> 00:39:57,084 we have IAs that don't get paid on snow days 855 00:39:58,024 --> 00:40:01,824 or weather days, but we also have bus drivers to think about and we have 856 00:40:01,884 --> 00:40:02,124 food 857 00:40:03,224 --> 00:40:04,144 staff to think about. 858 00:40:04,424 --> 00:40:04,544 Yeah. 859 00:40:04,884 --> 00:40:05,664 They don't get paid. 860 00:40:06,924 --> 00:40:07,604 Why are we- 861 00:40:08,064 --> 00:40:08,074 That's what I- 862 00:40:08,094 --> 00:40:09,244 ... customizing it for- 863 00:40:09,584 --> 00:40:09,594 No 864 00:40:09,594 --> 00:40:09,594 ... 865 00:40:10,524 --> 00:40:12,844 with the thought of IA? Well, you just mentioned. 866 00:40:12,924 --> 00:40:15,804 We're not. I said IAs and the other teammates that are hourly. 867 00:40:16,344 --> 00:40:19,004 That would be food staff and bus drivers. 868 00:40:19,784 --> 00:40:23,024 They all get those three days back if we have three makeup days. 869 00:40:24,544 --> 00:40:24,864 Okay. 870 00:40:24,984 --> 00:40:26,124 Not just the IAs. 871 00:40:30,944 --> 00:40:31,764 Just my thought. 872 00:40:31,824 --> 00:40:32,244 Yeah, in the- 873 00:40:32,344 --> 00:40:33,044 We got to start somewhere. 874 00:40:34,144 --> 00:40:34,384 Okay. 875 00:40:35,264 --> 00:40:36,464 I'll make a motion to second 876 00:40:37,304 --> 00:40:38,284 that calendar change 877 00:40:39,804 --> 00:40:42,044 that he recommended from the 23rd to the 31st. 878 00:40:43,584 --> 00:40:45,804 And then what happens the week of the 3rd, 879 00:40:47,384 --> 00:40:47,664 of April? 880 00:40:47,824 --> 00:40:48,664 They go back to school. 881 00:40:48,724 --> 00:40:49,324 We'd be in school. 882 00:40:49,494 --> 00:40:50,274 They go to school. Then that week- 883 00:40:50,274 --> 00:40:51,194 You give them that extra week 884 00:40:51,284 --> 00:40:51,554 ... they have a full week- 885 00:40:51,564 --> 00:40:54,564 10th is off, the 11th is, 12. Okay. 886 00:40:54,684 --> 00:40:55,344 The 10th is- 887 00:40:55,524 --> 00:40:56,324 Our 10th would be- 888 00:40:56,384 --> 00:40:57,654 The 10th is back in school as well 889 00:40:57,654 --> 00:40:58,183 ... back in school. 890 00:40:58,504 --> 00:41:02,424 They'll have that full week, about a week and a half before they start 891 00:41:02,464 --> 00:41:02,753 testing. 892 00:41:02,784 --> 00:41:03,894 There'll be seven days off instead of 10. 893 00:41:03,944 --> 00:41:07,204 Coming back from vacation and testing, right? Because that's not going to go good. 894 00:41:07,284 --> 00:41:07,474 I know. 895 00:41:07,514 --> 00:41:11,204 But you also have makeup days in the middle of the testing period, 896 00:41:11,304 --> 00:41:12,804 too. Does that make sense? 897 00:41:13,744 --> 00:41:14,854 No, the makeup days are- 898 00:41:14,874 --> 00:41:15,624 11, 12, 13 899 00:41:16,224 --> 00:41:18,724 ... the makeup days were 21st, 28th. 900 00:41:19,144 --> 00:41:19,414 Yeah, but- 901 00:41:19,424 --> 00:41:20,354 Test days around that time 902 00:41:20,924 --> 00:41:23,114 ... they're going to go to school regardless of those days. 903 00:41:23,304 --> 00:41:25,964 If you don't think that we're not going to use three days in Indiana- 904 00:41:26,364 --> 00:41:29,544 The reason we put the makeup days on Friday is because a lot of them don't test on 905 00:41:29,564 --> 00:41:31,364 Friday. That's the reason I chose those days. 906 00:41:31,404 --> 00:41:33,014 Well, I understand that, but you could 907 00:41:33,924 --> 00:41:36,844 work with them to get them ready for the test the following week, if you... 908 00:41:37,524 --> 00:41:38,664 That's true. 909 00:41:39,664 --> 00:41:43,084 I think Joel is right, though. The reality is, I think the numbers show that we 910 00:41:43,124 --> 00:41:44,464 will be going to school those days. 911 00:41:46,624 --> 00:41:48,564 If we utilize makeup days. 912 00:41:48,594 --> 00:41:48,594 Yeah. 913 00:41:48,604 --> 00:41:51,864 Right now there's nothing saying that we have to utilize makeup days. 914 00:41:53,004 --> 00:41:54,614 Yeah. But I think we'll probably be- 915 00:41:54,624 --> 00:41:56,424 We could use eLearning and the asynchronous. 916 00:41:56,644 --> 00:41:57,003 Not even- 917 00:41:57,044 --> 00:41:57,744 Or asynchronous. 918 00:41:57,804 --> 00:42:01,784 Sure. Sure. But my guess is, I think the goal is to get the kids 919 00:42:01,804 --> 00:42:01,924 in 920 00:42:02,984 --> 00:42:06,824 school. So, my hope is that we use those and they have a traditional 921 00:42:06,884 --> 00:42:08,484 snow day like we did when we were kids. 922 00:42:09,504 --> 00:42:12,924 Again, back to my original, let's make them all up. Let's add them to the end. 923 00:42:13,044 --> 00:42:14,744 You heard what I said last meeting. 924 00:42:15,784 --> 00:42:16,244 Let's go. 925 00:42:17,464 --> 00:42:18,904 But I don't think that's where we are right now in 926 00:42:20,624 --> 00:42:21,984 our space, so- 927 00:42:22,764 --> 00:42:22,904 Yeah 928 00:42:22,944 --> 00:42:24,164 ... it's going to take some baby steps. 929 00:42:24,904 --> 00:42:26,924 So it sounds like the state may be moving that way, too. 930 00:42:28,504 --> 00:42:28,684 So. 931 00:42:32,364 --> 00:42:33,824 He made a motion and I second it. 932 00:42:33,854 --> 00:42:37,824 He did, and I just think, in my opinion, I think it kind of leads towards 933 00:42:37,884 --> 00:42:39,484 what Steve's trying to direct us to, to try and 934 00:42:40,324 --> 00:42:44,264 get our kids in school, in front of teachers, let teachers do their jobs so that we 935 00:42:44,304 --> 00:42:48,284 can have better testing. Which is, once again, one of our top goals for our 936 00:42:48,304 --> 00:42:48,884 superintendent 937 00:42:49,736 --> 00:42:53,516 So you guys don't... Oh, I guess there's a motion and a second, but 938 00:42:53,556 --> 00:42:57,496 to propose the new calendar to the staff, or the 939 00:42:57,516 --> 00:43:01,236 proposed calendar back out to the staff to see what do you 940 00:43:01,276 --> 00:43:04,816 think because of testing, what do the IAs think? 941 00:43:04,876 --> 00:43:06,096 Because that's what we asked for- 942 00:43:06,676 --> 00:43:06,686 Yeah 943 00:43:06,686 --> 00:43:08,456 ... for this calendar. 944 00:43:08,666 --> 00:43:08,826 Mm-hmm. 945 00:43:09,176 --> 00:43:09,956 Steve's calendar. 946 00:43:10,366 --> 00:43:10,366 Yeah. 947 00:43:10,396 --> 00:43:12,696 Now, we're not going to go back and ask the staff what- 948 00:43:12,996 --> 00:43:13,356 I mean, it- 949 00:43:13,426 --> 00:43:14,016 ... what they think? 950 00:43:14,456 --> 00:43:16,396 We had a principal and a- 951 00:43:17,336 --> 00:43:17,636 IA 952 00:43:17,646 --> 00:43:19,576 ... an IA in here saying that- 953 00:43:19,636 --> 00:43:19,896 We did 954 00:43:19,906 --> 00:43:20,666 ... the last week of March- 955 00:43:20,666 --> 00:43:21,346 Well, I understand that 956 00:43:21,376 --> 00:43:24,886 ... the last week of March and one week of testing would be the best, 957 00:43:25,536 --> 00:43:29,116 and we're just keeping the same days and shifting it up, and we just have two extra 958 00:43:29,136 --> 00:43:33,036 days there. So I mean, we're giving them what they've just brought 959 00:43:33,136 --> 00:43:34,036 up. 960 00:43:34,096 --> 00:43:37,796 And I would also say, we're trusting Steve with leading us in the right 961 00:43:37,836 --> 00:43:38,936 direction to improve us. 962 00:43:39,716 --> 00:43:43,356 So we just got two 963 00:43:43,416 --> 00:43:44,436 extra days back? 964 00:43:45,176 --> 00:43:48,976 All we did is just shift it up to the week of March to give 965 00:43:49,076 --> 00:43:50,516 more time before testing. 966 00:43:51,376 --> 00:43:51,536 Yeah. 967 00:43:52,496 --> 00:43:52,676 So 968 00:43:53,936 --> 00:43:57,096 Mr. Vogel proposed seven days for spring break. It would still be seven days. 969 00:44:00,376 --> 00:44:01,176 So any seven? 970 00:44:02,396 --> 00:44:02,886 Well, what- 971 00:44:03,046 --> 00:44:03,046 I mean- 972 00:44:03,046 --> 00:44:06,756 ... the motion is, is for the 23rd. Make sure I have that right. 973 00:44:06,916 --> 00:44:08,716 Yeah, the 23rd through the 31st. 974 00:44:11,916 --> 00:44:14,346 Okay. What does the motion say? Do you even know? 975 00:44:14,356 --> 00:44:14,876 The motion s- 976 00:44:15,266 --> 00:44:16,196 What does the motion say? 977 00:44:16,456 --> 00:44:17,396 Yeah. Let me state the motion. 978 00:44:17,516 --> 00:44:17,836 Thank you. 979 00:44:18,056 --> 00:44:21,436 Yeah. The motion is, is that we will have spring break March 980 00:44:21,596 --> 00:44:24,856 2028 from Thursday, the 28th- 981 00:44:25,896 --> 00:44:26,296 23rd. 982 00:44:26,416 --> 00:44:30,176 Sorry, Thursday, the 23rd, my glasses are good, through March 983 00:44:30,496 --> 00:44:31,216 31st. 984 00:44:32,416 --> 00:44:35,516 Nothing else changes. So instead of having it from the 985 00:44:35,556 --> 00:44:37,836 31st through the 10th. 986 00:44:40,136 --> 00:44:43,916 So just as Joel said, it's a Thursday, Friday, then the following 987 00:44:43,956 --> 00:44:44,176 week. 988 00:44:46,996 --> 00:44:49,576 Which is actually very similar to what you proposed- 989 00:44:49,586 --> 00:44:49,746 Yeah, almost 990 00:44:49,746 --> 00:44:50,236 ... originally. 991 00:44:50,516 --> 00:44:51,056 Very similar. 992 00:44:51,396 --> 00:44:52,796 Just it's moved up a week. 993 00:44:53,096 --> 00:44:53,366 Do those- 994 00:44:53,366 --> 00:44:55,396 And I know you pulled that out, but that was- 995 00:44:55,856 --> 00:44:59,576 Do those line up with other schools' vacations as well? 996 00:44:59,655 --> 00:45:00,756 Because we have some staff, 997 00:45:03,256 --> 00:45:04,876 and it's important to them to have 998 00:45:05,696 --> 00:45:08,216 the same. We lose staff 999 00:45:09,096 --> 00:45:12,016 because they want to go to their home school where their child is. 1000 00:45:12,596 --> 00:45:14,236 So I- 1001 00:45:14,956 --> 00:45:18,816 I'm curious, Jen, you championed two weeks ago to have this switch, and 1002 00:45:18,856 --> 00:45:20,736 now you want to go back to two weeks. Is there a reason? 1003 00:45:21,016 --> 00:45:22,596 No, I did not want to... 1004 00:45:25,676 --> 00:45:27,806 I never wanted the 23rd and 24th the days as- 1005 00:45:27,816 --> 00:45:31,026 No, I understand that, but you still wanted just seven days rather than- 1006 00:45:31,076 --> 00:45:31,496 No, I want- 1007 00:45:31,636 --> 00:45:31,926 ... 10 1008 00:45:32,536 --> 00:45:32,536 ... 1009 00:45:34,516 --> 00:45:38,206 If we had to vote on this 1010 00:45:38,276 --> 00:45:38,956 calendar, 1011 00:45:41,556 --> 00:45:45,225 after I looked at our original calendar first that I had looked 1012 00:45:45,276 --> 00:45:49,236 at or I had it sent to me, it was in our email about that, you had sent it 1013 00:45:49,276 --> 00:45:50,196 to me. 1014 00:45:52,596 --> 00:45:52,696 It 1015 00:45:57,716 --> 00:45:58,456 Somehow that 1016 00:45:59,656 --> 00:46:03,296 just two years ago, we decided that was the right thing to do. 1017 00:46:03,336 --> 00:46:03,416 Yeah. 1018 00:46:03,476 --> 00:46:06,636 We have a new philosophy now, and I get that. 1019 00:46:08,316 --> 00:46:09,176 I'm not 1020 00:46:10,516 --> 00:46:11,116 into- 1021 00:46:13,256 --> 00:46:14,156 Change is hard 1022 00:46:14,165 --> 00:46:16,216 ... I'm not into necessarily making 1023 00:46:17,416 --> 00:46:17,796 Gotcha. 1024 00:46:18,796 --> 00:46:19,016 Okay. 1025 00:46:20,536 --> 00:46:22,896 So board, any more discussion? We have a motion and a second. 1026 00:46:24,616 --> 00:46:25,436 Any more discussion? 1027 00:46:26,736 --> 00:46:29,716 Seeing none. All in favor of that motion, say aye. 1028 00:46:30,076 --> 00:46:30,376 Aye. 1029 00:46:30,416 --> 00:46:31,676 Aye. Opposed, the same. 1030 00:46:32,156 --> 00:46:32,396 Aye. 1031 00:46:32,496 --> 00:46:32,736 Aye. 1032 00:46:33,256 --> 00:46:34,216 Okay, three-three. 1033 00:46:35,056 --> 00:46:36,996 Is there any other motion, board, tonight? 1034 00:46:40,576 --> 00:46:42,316 All right. Seeing none, we'll move on. 1035 00:46:42,816 --> 00:46:44,336 So it stays the 2025? 1036 00:46:44,356 --> 00:46:44,976 As of now. 1037 00:46:45,096 --> 00:46:45,436 Okay. 1038 00:46:45,496 --> 00:46:46,636 Yep, as of now. 1039 00:46:47,086 --> 00:46:48,416 Okay. 1040 00:46:48,696 --> 00:46:49,316 All right. 1041 00:46:50,856 --> 00:46:51,136 Next- 1042 00:46:51,356 --> 00:46:52,076 Nick, what 1043 00:46:53,616 --> 00:46:57,156 don't you like, or what would you disagree with, or what would you like to see? 1044 00:46:57,496 --> 00:46:58,196 I appreciated 1045 00:46:59,356 --> 00:47:00,916 Brent's version of the calendar. 1046 00:47:03,996 --> 00:47:05,216 Keeping it to two weeks. 1047 00:47:08,736 --> 00:47:13,736 Getting 1048 00:47:13,756 --> 00:47:17,576 a makeup day in there when we can and on the end of the school year 1049 00:47:17,896 --> 00:47:18,296 if we need them. 1050 00:47:21,376 --> 00:47:24,576 Kind of a mix of both. You're keeping it to two weeks. 1051 00:47:24,696 --> 00:47:26,776 I understand that's right up against testing. 1052 00:47:27,996 --> 00:47:30,176 I'm a big believer in 1053 00:47:31,976 --> 00:47:35,536 time with family is invaluable. I understand 1054 00:47:35,556 --> 00:47:39,376 that testing is absolutely important, and I think 1055 00:47:40,456 --> 00:47:44,256 we need to continue to look at that and strive to be better every day. 1056 00:47:45,796 --> 00:47:46,756 I just think 1057 00:47:48,156 --> 00:47:52,096 family time and us giving families the opportunity 1058 00:47:53,216 --> 00:47:54,136 to have that time 1059 00:47:56,076 --> 00:47:56,856 is invaluable. 1060 00:47:59,416 --> 00:48:01,076 Brent, when did yours start out at? 1061 00:48:01,496 --> 00:48:01,806 Excuse me. 1062 00:48:01,896 --> 00:48:03,896 But we already voted on that, Joel. 1063 00:48:03,936 --> 00:48:05,006 If we want to have another discussion- 1064 00:48:05,006 --> 00:48:05,256 You can't discuss it 1065 00:48:05,516 --> 00:48:06,276 No, we already had the discussion. 1066 00:48:06,336 --> 00:48:07,966 Not at this point. We got to continue now. 1067 00:48:07,966 --> 00:48:08,536 We already had the discussion. 1068 00:48:08,546 --> 00:48:08,936 May I? 1069 00:48:09,136 --> 00:48:09,356 Yes. 1070 00:48:09,556 --> 00:48:13,516 Terry, you would simply want to take formal action to reopen that 1071 00:48:13,556 --> 00:48:17,496 for discussion and revote. That would be the proper formal way, 1072 00:48:18,156 --> 00:48:19,456 just so you know. 1073 00:48:19,476 --> 00:48:19,806 That's- 1074 00:48:19,806 --> 00:48:22,296 Would that happen this meeting? Or would that- 1075 00:48:22,336 --> 00:48:22,556 Yes. 1076 00:48:22,656 --> 00:48:25,906 If we reopen discussion, and then we're going to take more motions if we would like 1077 00:48:25,956 --> 00:48:27,536 to. However- 1078 00:48:27,576 --> 00:48:28,576 The motion to reopen the- 1079 00:48:29,776 --> 00:48:33,596 It's my understanding we're pretty set with what we're set 1080 00:48:33,656 --> 00:48:37,036 with. So why don't we, if you have more discussion, 1081 00:48:37,836 --> 00:48:38,996 we can do that at a later time. 1082 00:48:39,086 --> 00:48:43,056 No, I mean, if you moved it to the 20th, to 1083 00:48:43,096 --> 00:48:43,896 the 31st- 1084 00:48:44,136 --> 00:48:44,796 Hang on a second. 1085 00:48:45,876 --> 00:48:46,256 You just- 1086 00:48:46,696 --> 00:48:48,486 Yeah, let's go ahead and reopen for discussion. 1087 00:48:48,496 --> 00:48:51,916 Yeah, let's reopen it, because we've been talking about this calendar for six 1088 00:48:52,016 --> 00:48:53,296 months. We've got to figure this out. 1089 00:48:54,136 --> 00:48:55,276 Can't disagree with you, Joel 1090 00:48:56,084 --> 00:48:59,564 So I'll make a motion to reopen discussion of calendar. 1091 00:48:59,624 --> 00:49:00,324 Anybody second? 1092 00:49:01,564 --> 00:49:04,924 Hang on a second. I don't think we need a motion to reopen 1093 00:49:04,964 --> 00:49:05,584 it. 1094 00:49:05,604 --> 00:49:05,774 You can reopen it. 1095 00:49:06,504 --> 00:49:06,824 Yeah. 1096 00:49:06,854 --> 00:49:06,854 Okay. 1097 00:49:06,904 --> 00:49:08,204 It 1098 00:49:09,284 --> 00:49:10,204 has reopened. 1099 00:49:10,284 --> 00:49:11,504 Discussing calendar. Yeah. 1100 00:49:11,584 --> 00:49:11,654 Sorry. 1101 00:49:11,684 --> 00:49:12,024 All right. 1102 00:49:12,224 --> 00:49:12,424 Yes. 1103 00:49:12,984 --> 00:49:14,504 Okay. So, 1104 00:49:17,064 --> 00:49:21,044 I wouldn't be opposed if we moved the calendar to 1105 00:49:21,124 --> 00:49:24,544 the 20th, because that would be after that first wave of testing, 1106 00:49:25,124 --> 00:49:28,544 and then it ends on the 31st, and then that would give us that week and a 1107 00:49:29,244 --> 00:49:33,044 half or a few days before they do other testing. 1108 00:49:33,744 --> 00:49:35,244 Can I ask a question, though? 1109 00:49:36,634 --> 00:49:39,264 And I get wanting the kids in the classroom 1110 00:49:39,364 --> 00:49:41,724 prior to testing. 1111 00:49:43,544 --> 00:49:47,524 There's a lot of corporations in the northern part of the state that take the 1112 00:49:47,584 --> 00:49:51,424 first week of April. I think there's some 1113 00:49:51,464 --> 00:49:53,714 that even take it the second week to get 1114 00:49:55,764 --> 00:49:57,604 Good Friday as part of their vacation. 1115 00:49:59,264 --> 00:50:00,984 Should they be adjusted? 1116 00:50:01,024 --> 00:50:04,264 Are their test scores 1117 00:50:04,864 --> 00:50:08,624 worse than ours or the same? That's what I'm trying to get to. 1118 00:50:08,964 --> 00:50:09,264 Yeah. 1119 00:50:09,624 --> 00:50:11,724 Is this measurable that our test scores 1120 00:50:12,644 --> 00:50:13,784 improve by this switch, 1121 00:50:15,804 --> 00:50:17,364 or let's test it and see. 1122 00:50:17,564 --> 00:50:20,204 There's no statistics to say that. 1123 00:50:20,864 --> 00:50:21,024 Yeah. 1124 00:50:27,204 --> 00:50:28,004 Any other discussion? 1125 00:50:29,504 --> 00:50:33,124 I guess my question would be to Joel, is 1126 00:50:34,484 --> 00:50:38,144 originally for your reasoning to go 23rd to 31st, 1127 00:50:39,164 --> 00:50:42,084 what was the value proposition for you with that? 1128 00:50:42,424 --> 00:50:44,484 Well, the value was 1129 00:50:45,524 --> 00:50:45,784 that 1130 00:50:46,824 --> 00:50:49,504 some of the staff wanted the shorter 1131 00:50:50,624 --> 00:50:54,424 week there, so that gives more time for testing on the 11th 1132 00:50:54,804 --> 00:50:55,684 to the 13th, 1133 00:50:56,584 --> 00:51:00,464 and it's after testing up there. It just seemed like it was a happy medium 1134 00:51:00,524 --> 00:51:02,544 to compromise and meet in the middle there. 1135 00:51:03,684 --> 00:51:03,924 But 1136 00:51:04,864 --> 00:51:05,324 also, 1137 00:51:06,644 --> 00:51:10,304 I'm with Nick too, if we want to switch it to where it 1138 00:51:10,344 --> 00:51:14,104 lands up there between the two in March and 1139 00:51:14,364 --> 00:51:18,244 we put those makeup days at the end, which Steve says that's not 1140 00:51:18,264 --> 00:51:20,364 really the greatest, but also 1141 00:51:21,704 --> 00:51:25,624 it's time spent at home or time spent on vacation with their family, 1142 00:51:26,524 --> 00:51:29,344 and that's something, too. So I can swing both ways. 1143 00:51:29,794 --> 00:51:33,284 But between the 20th and 31st or 1144 00:51:33,444 --> 00:51:36,304 23rd to the 31st, I could swing both ways. 1145 00:51:37,604 --> 00:51:41,264 The 1146 00:51:41,344 --> 00:51:44,404 value of saying, and I'm not trying to 1147 00:51:44,604 --> 00:51:49,484 go 1148 00:51:49,524 --> 00:51:53,464 against your thought process, Nick, but the value of 1149 00:51:53,564 --> 00:51:57,554 having all of that time in one space versus having 1150 00:51:57,584 --> 00:52:01,453 time with your family regardless, if you're doing 1151 00:52:01,484 --> 00:52:05,424 makeup days at the end and you've got three or five makeup days, whatever it 1152 00:52:05,524 --> 00:52:09,354 is, you're losing it on the end. So people spending time with their family, 1153 00:52:10,024 --> 00:52:13,764 you can look at it both ways. And I would also say for 1154 00:52:13,824 --> 00:52:17,233 many parents that aren't able to go on vacation or spend that time with 1155 00:52:17,244 --> 00:52:20,444 family, now they're finding an extra 1156 00:52:20,484 --> 00:52:23,654 three or four days of 1157 00:52:25,124 --> 00:52:25,724 childcare. 1158 00:52:25,764 --> 00:52:28,864 They've been doing that for years now. 1159 00:52:29,144 --> 00:52:30,733 I understand that, but you're 1160 00:52:32,704 --> 00:52:36,524 making an argument that we are getting to spend family 1161 00:52:36,564 --> 00:52:39,804 time. There's actually a lot of people that aren't able to spend that family 1162 00:52:39,824 --> 00:52:43,064 time, that some of us might've been able to spend. 1163 00:52:43,244 --> 00:52:44,184 That's my point, right? 1164 00:52:45,344 --> 00:52:49,164 Because we made a decision to go to two weeks, whatever 1165 00:52:49,204 --> 00:52:53,144 that reason was for, was fine. But there are still 1166 00:52:53,184 --> 00:52:55,384 parents that suffer because they're finding 1167 00:52:56,944 --> 00:53:00,644 kids would be in school that extra week had we not done that 1168 00:53:01,344 --> 00:53:04,934 at that timeframe. Now they're actually having to get childcare that they wouldn't 1169 00:53:04,944 --> 00:53:05,544 have had to get. 1170 00:53:06,884 --> 00:53:10,584 Additional childcare. So, I think you can look at it both 1171 00:53:10,684 --> 00:53:14,184 ways on that. It's probably more of a personal 1172 00:53:14,224 --> 00:53:17,844 preference in that situation versus 1173 00:53:18,984 --> 00:53:19,994 educationally, 1174 00:53:23,044 --> 00:53:26,864 I don't know how being in the 1175 00:53:26,904 --> 00:53:30,784 classroom is going to be detrimental to the kids versus 1176 00:53:30,844 --> 00:53:32,584 having to prove that it's going to be valuable. 1177 00:53:33,504 --> 00:53:36,184 Do the test scores say it's valuable? I don't know. 1178 00:53:36,284 --> 00:53:40,234 But being in and actually having instruction in front of somebody rather than on 1179 00:53:40,324 --> 00:53:41,504 a computer where it's easy- 1180 00:53:41,514 --> 00:53:41,594 So important 1181 00:53:41,594 --> 00:53:42,124 ... to check out. 1182 00:53:43,644 --> 00:53:47,304 We all do it. I do Teams meetings. It's easy to do other work while you're doing 1183 00:53:47,344 --> 00:53:51,204 Teams meetings. Trust me, people are checked out when you 1184 00:53:51,324 --> 00:53:51,504 have, 1185 00:53:52,564 --> 00:53:55,954 talking to teachers, you have three days in a row or four days, 1186 00:53:57,604 --> 00:53:59,914 people aren't showing up at that point. 1187 00:54:00,004 --> 00:54:03,944 So we're losing opportunity with kids, I think. 1188 00:54:03,984 --> 00:54:07,544 And is it going to make or break us and be the 1189 00:54:07,584 --> 00:54:11,564 perfect resolution? No. But it's going to be better than it is today, 1190 00:54:12,064 --> 00:54:12,764 is my opinion. 1191 00:54:13,004 --> 00:54:13,924 Well, we've done very- 1192 00:54:13,964 --> 00:54:17,334 That's your opinion. Again, you have nothing statistically to prove that, right? 1193 00:54:17,334 --> 00:54:17,883 Okay. 1194 00:54:17,914 --> 00:54:17,974 And- 1195 00:54:18,104 --> 00:54:21,984 Or do we do away with a full week at fall break, get it back 1196 00:54:22,004 --> 00:54:23,154 to one day like it used to be? 1197 00:54:23,164 --> 00:54:24,164 We could do that, too. 1198 00:54:24,844 --> 00:54:26,924 And then also shorten down the Christmas. 1199 00:54:27,544 --> 00:54:29,944 That way we can make up if we have blizzards. 1200 00:54:29,984 --> 00:54:32,624 We've had blizzards around here that takes us out for a week. 1201 00:54:33,864 --> 00:54:34,024 Yeah. 1202 00:54:34,724 --> 00:54:35,184 Two or three. 1203 00:54:35,324 --> 00:54:37,404 I don't disagree that those are other options. 1204 00:54:39,484 --> 00:54:43,144 It's not an option I'm for. Again, I don't think our system's broke right now. 1205 00:54:44,404 --> 00:54:47,764 Well, and so this past year we 1206 00:54:48,404 --> 00:54:50,004 had two weeks 1207 00:54:50,904 --> 00:54:53,004 and our test scores 1208 00:54:54,404 --> 00:54:54,924 improved. 1209 00:54:56,164 --> 00:54:57,284 That's a statistic 1210 00:54:58,764 --> 00:54:59,204 where we 1211 00:55:01,696 --> 00:55:04,356 That's what I've been reading from the IDOE. 1212 00:55:06,196 --> 00:55:07,616 So I 1213 00:55:08,556 --> 00:55:09,176 like the two 1214 00:55:10,616 --> 00:55:10,976 weeks 1215 00:55:12,796 --> 00:55:13,076 for-- 1216 00:55:14,316 --> 00:55:14,636 Yeah. 1217 00:55:18,976 --> 00:55:21,936 Any more discussion? Does anybody want to make a motion? 1218 00:55:23,276 --> 00:55:26,816 I make a motion to the calendar, I approve. 1219 00:55:28,516 --> 00:55:31,376 There's a motion to approve Brent's calendar. Is there a second? 1220 00:55:32,266 --> 00:55:32,516 Brent, what 1221 00:55:33,436 --> 00:55:35,546 was your base for your calendar? We've talked to so many- 1222 00:55:36,996 --> 00:55:38,016 It should pop up there 1223 00:55:38,036 --> 00:55:39,136 Basically what it was before- 1224 00:55:39,236 --> 00:55:40,526 There's quite a few changes on his 1225 00:55:40,536 --> 00:55:42,136 ... questions. 1226 00:55:42,976 --> 00:55:44,586 There you go. 27th. 1227 00:55:46,876 --> 00:55:48,596 The same one we originally approved. 1228 00:55:49,436 --> 00:55:49,996 I'll second. 1229 00:55:52,196 --> 00:55:54,096 Brent's calendar. 1230 00:55:59,736 --> 00:56:03,366 We have a motion and a second to approve the 1231 00:56:03,476 --> 00:56:04,136 calendar 1232 00:56:05,056 --> 00:56:06,475 noted as Brent's version. 1233 00:56:07,376 --> 00:56:07,916 Version C. 1234 00:56:10,016 --> 00:56:11,656 Any more discussion before the vote? 1235 00:56:13,376 --> 00:56:14,756 All in favor say, "Aye." 1236 00:56:15,476 --> 00:56:16,446 Aye. Aye. 1237 00:56:16,496 --> 00:56:17,436 Opposed the same. 1238 00:56:18,096 --> 00:56:18,276 Aye. 1239 00:56:18,376 --> 00:56:20,096 Aye. Three, three. 1240 00:56:23,156 --> 00:56:23,226 Okey-dokey. 1241 00:56:23,226 --> 00:56:23,496 Say again? 1242 00:56:24,096 --> 00:56:25,006 I said okey-dokey. 1243 00:56:25,186 --> 00:56:25,976 That's where we are. 1244 00:56:27,526 --> 00:56:28,276 Board, let's move on. 1245 00:56:29,676 --> 00:56:32,696 Steve, thank you for bringing that to us, and 1246 00:56:33,776 --> 00:56:36,576 if you want to have some more thought and discussion, I am open to it. 1247 00:56:38,276 --> 00:56:40,616 But right now, this board is at an impasse. 1248 00:56:40,696 --> 00:56:40,896 So 1249 00:56:43,136 --> 00:56:46,936 we carry on. Board, we're moving on to the board policies, and we're going to 1250 00:56:46,976 --> 00:56:50,396 treat those as we did last month. We're going to individually look at them. Mr. 1251 00:56:50,476 --> 00:56:54,376 Vogt is going to give us the bullet points again before we vote on each one. 1252 00:56:54,886 --> 00:56:57,176 And the first policy up is 1422. 1253 00:56:57,936 --> 00:56:58,706 Yes. Board, 1254 00:57:01,716 --> 00:57:03,046 policy 1422. 1255 00:57:04,156 --> 00:57:07,116 Almost all of these related to non-discrimination, 1256 00:57:08,536 --> 00:57:10,615 employment opportunity, anti-harassment. 1257 00:57:11,036 --> 00:57:11,476 Many of these 1258 00:57:12,456 --> 00:57:14,296 policies tonight are related to that. 1259 00:57:15,016 --> 00:57:17,916 One of the points that have been up for discussion, 1260 00:57:18,836 --> 00:57:21,646 and I got a call from Nick this week about 1261 00:57:23,256 --> 00:57:24,716 the appeal process. 1262 00:57:25,836 --> 00:57:28,436 There's two options in there. One was 1263 00:57:29,496 --> 00:57:32,676 the appeal process goes to the superintendent, decision's final. 1264 00:57:33,216 --> 00:57:36,376 Another option was to go to the board after the superintendent, 1265 00:57:37,016 --> 00:57:38,816 and that was an appeal process. 1266 00:57:41,196 --> 00:57:43,816 The selection that I had made was 1267 00:57:44,936 --> 00:57:48,836 it ends at superintendent. Reason for that was a lot of it had to do 1268 00:57:48,896 --> 00:57:51,096 with exposure to the board. 1269 00:57:52,576 --> 00:57:55,196 So that's what I'm presenting tonight. 1270 00:57:55,996 --> 00:57:56,405 And what do you mean by exposure? 1271 00:57:56,405 --> 00:57:57,736 And I thought there was going to be discussion. 1272 00:57:57,756 --> 00:57:59,336 What do you mean by exposure to the board? 1273 00:57:59,636 --> 00:58:00,996 Legal exposure. 1274 00:58:02,676 --> 00:58:05,056 So there's training, right? 1275 00:58:05,136 --> 00:58:08,256 That director of HR 1276 00:58:08,276 --> 00:58:11,316 does to do the investigation process, right? 1277 00:58:12,056 --> 00:58:13,056 Compliance officers. 1278 00:58:13,366 --> 00:58:13,405 That you- 1279 00:58:13,405 --> 00:58:14,036 Yep, they go through- 1280 00:58:14,376 --> 00:58:14,726 Yeah, compliance officers 1281 00:58:14,726 --> 00:58:18,366 ... Title IX, Title VII. They go through all the title training, and 1282 00:58:18,776 --> 00:58:20,076 yes, and I've been through that twice. 1283 00:58:20,776 --> 00:58:21,356 Right. So 1284 00:58:22,376 --> 00:58:26,276 from our perspective, if we were going to push that to the board 1285 00:58:26,316 --> 00:58:30,256 level, right? Which I'm not saying we shouldn't, I'm not saying we should, but if 1286 00:58:30,316 --> 00:58:34,136 we do, you're in a spot where whoever's responsible 1287 00:58:34,196 --> 00:58:37,856 for investigating that at the board level then has to go through the compliance 1288 00:58:37,916 --> 00:58:41,376 training, basically. 1289 00:58:42,836 --> 00:58:43,246 So we've 1290 00:58:44,816 --> 00:58:47,896 been through different situations, and I say we, 1291 00:58:49,456 --> 00:58:52,856 I don't know if it's two or three 1292 00:58:54,096 --> 00:58:56,176 employees. The first one, 1293 00:58:57,916 --> 00:59:01,436 we just were apprised of the 1294 00:59:01,696 --> 00:59:05,496 situation, that where it was in the appeals, never getting any 1295 00:59:05,596 --> 00:59:06,056 evidence. 1296 00:59:06,996 --> 00:59:08,276 The next one was very public, 1297 00:59:09,096 --> 00:59:12,836 and so we had a lot of evidence there, but it never 1298 00:59:12,896 --> 00:59:13,996 made it to us 1299 00:59:15,576 --> 00:59:16,056 based... 1300 00:59:17,176 --> 00:59:17,536 It was 1301 00:59:18,875 --> 00:59:20,616 withdrawn or whatever. 1302 00:59:20,696 --> 00:59:20,856 So- 1303 00:59:22,136 --> 00:59:25,716 In the eight years, 1304 00:59:26,556 --> 00:59:30,176 we've not ever had a case come all the way to the board. 1305 00:59:30,356 --> 00:59:31,406 I do like it- 1306 00:59:31,496 --> 00:59:32,476 I just want to make sure- 1307 00:59:32,566 --> 00:59:32,836 ... coming to the board 1308 00:59:33,276 --> 00:59:37,196 ... I just want to make sure, I'm not saying we do the appeal, but I just want 1309 00:59:37,216 --> 00:59:37,856 to make sure 1310 00:59:38,676 --> 00:59:41,246 the superintendent decides, decision's final. 1311 00:59:41,496 --> 00:59:45,336 I want to make sure the board has the opportunity for 1312 00:59:45,396 --> 00:59:46,056 oversight. 1313 00:59:46,416 --> 00:59:47,066 I think that- 1314 00:59:47,096 --> 00:59:49,136 That's all I am after. I don't want- 1315 00:59:50,996 --> 00:59:51,166 I think the, right 1316 00:59:51,166 --> 00:59:53,546 ... just one person and it's over. I think it's- 1317 00:59:53,556 --> 00:59:55,896 I think in the last part of the 1318 00:59:56,956 --> 01:00:00,776 54 pages, I thought I read there was something 1319 01:00:00,876 --> 01:00:03,116 built in there if the board still... 1320 01:00:04,236 --> 01:00:05,236 That there was a... 1321 01:00:06,656 --> 01:00:08,816 Maybe I read it wrong all the way at the end. 1322 01:00:10,896 --> 01:00:12,096 Let me ask you, Steve- 1323 01:00:13,056 --> 01:00:14,836 Hang on real quick. Sorry. 1324 01:00:15,026 --> 01:00:15,026 Go ahead. 1325 01:00:15,036 --> 01:00:16,516 Do you know what line you're referring to? 1326 01:00:22,916 --> 01:00:25,016 Because if you give us a page number and line, Jen, that'd be helpful. 1327 01:00:25,236 --> 01:00:27,976 And if you want to look for that while Brent's talking, or do you want to look for 1328 01:00:28,036 --> 01:00:28,086 it 1329 01:00:29,596 --> 01:00:29,956 right now? 1330 01:00:38,716 --> 01:00:39,836 There's 1331 01:00:44,536 --> 01:00:47,796 line 15 on page 1332 01:00:47,976 --> 01:00:51,816 53. "The board retains discretion to 1333 01:00:51,836 --> 01:00:55,656 appoint suitably qualified persons who are not board employees to 1334 01:00:55,696 --> 01:00:59,256 fulfill any function of the board under this policy, 1335 01:00:59,316 --> 01:01:01,256 including but not limited to..." 1336 01:01:02,488 --> 01:01:06,348 Who the compliance officer is, who the decision-makers are, appeal 1337 01:01:06,408 --> 01:01:09,428 decision maker, or facilitator in a formal resolution. 1338 01:01:09,468 --> 01:01:10,838 So we still have 1339 01:01:13,228 --> 01:01:13,968 discretion. 1340 01:01:15,468 --> 01:01:17,588 It's not solely left up to 1341 01:01:19,548 --> 01:01:22,548 one person. 1342 01:01:23,888 --> 01:01:23,898 Mm-hmm. 1343 01:01:23,898 --> 01:01:27,068 That was page 53. 1344 01:01:27,708 --> 01:01:27,948 Mm-hmm. 1345 01:01:29,108 --> 01:01:29,198 Would- 1346 01:01:29,668 --> 01:01:30,108 15 1347 01:01:30,408 --> 01:01:31,598 ... be valuable to get- 1348 01:01:31,828 --> 01:01:35,448 Yes. Seth, do you have any input on this from a liability legal standpoint for the 1349 01:01:35,488 --> 01:01:36,068 corporation? 1350 01:01:36,388 --> 01:01:38,568 Thank you, Doug, and Aaron, I have input. 1351 01:01:41,308 --> 01:01:44,708 I would suggest to you that given kind of the nature... 1352 01:01:44,888 --> 01:01:46,008 Thank you. Sorry about that. 1353 01:01:46,308 --> 01:01:48,208 It's okay. 1354 01:01:49,268 --> 01:01:50,548 I got no red light. Are we good? 1355 01:01:50,728 --> 01:01:50,838 Yeah, you're on. 1356 01:01:50,848 --> 01:01:54,588 All right. I would suggest, given the nature of the environment of the board, 1357 01:01:55,268 --> 01:01:58,948 we're kind of familiar with some of the tones 1358 01:01:59,508 --> 01:02:03,388 that go on, that the moment that you guys 1359 01:02:03,568 --> 01:02:04,648 make yourselves 1360 01:02:05,528 --> 01:02:09,188 the arbiters of the appeals, you guys 1361 01:02:09,228 --> 01:02:12,648 become quasi-adjudicators. You're exposed to confidential 1362 01:02:12,748 --> 01:02:14,508 personnel and student allegations. 1363 01:02:14,968 --> 01:02:16,988 People begin lobbying the board members. 1364 01:02:17,448 --> 01:02:21,308 The appeals become political. Future litigation can put you in the 1365 01:02:21,348 --> 01:02:24,788 witness chair. From a governance perspective, I can tell you 1366 01:02:24,928 --> 01:02:27,508 clearly, having prepared for this tonight, 1367 01:02:28,508 --> 01:02:31,788 we need to stick to our model. The board sets policy, 1368 01:02:32,888 --> 01:02:36,448 administration investigates, superintendent 1369 01:02:36,508 --> 01:02:39,988 decides, aggrieved parties retain whatever outside 1370 01:02:40,048 --> 01:02:41,148 rights they have. 1371 01:02:43,348 --> 01:02:45,308 That would be our recommendation. 1372 01:02:46,288 --> 01:02:47,208 Taking that on 1373 01:02:48,228 --> 01:02:51,928 as a board, we would not advise that. Thank you for the question. 1374 01:02:52,428 --> 01:02:55,488 So you like how it is written and presented to the board? 1375 01:02:56,728 --> 01:03:00,688 I like the version that does not make you guys the arbiters of these 1376 01:03:00,728 --> 01:03:04,568 matters, because there are significant collateral issues that could come up as a 1377 01:03:04,608 --> 01:03:05,388 result of that. 1378 01:03:05,708 --> 01:03:06,828 Okay. 1379 01:03:06,948 --> 01:03:10,557 About oversight, you always, I think, as a board, have 1380 01:03:10,608 --> 01:03:14,437 oversight of everyone's job, duty, and so if this 1381 01:03:14,548 --> 01:03:18,408 was the superintendent's job and duty, clearly you would have oversight 1382 01:03:18,468 --> 01:03:19,877 over that generally as well. 1383 01:03:21,808 --> 01:03:23,008 Thank you for clarifying that. 1384 01:03:23,708 --> 01:03:23,868 Yeah. 1385 01:03:24,468 --> 01:03:24,988 Any other 1386 01:03:26,028 --> 01:03:26,828 discussion, board? 1387 01:03:30,748 --> 01:03:33,768 Does anybody want to make a motion to approve policy 1388 01:03:34,028 --> 01:03:35,328 1422 as written? 1389 01:03:36,648 --> 01:03:40,148 I'll make a motion to approve policy 1422 as written. 1390 01:03:41,108 --> 01:03:41,588 I'll second. 1391 01:03:42,088 --> 01:03:45,008 We have a motion from Mr. Byerly and a second from Mr. Timmerman. 1392 01:03:45,068 --> 01:03:46,008 All in favor say aye. 1393 01:03:46,597 --> 01:03:46,597 Aye. 1394 01:03:46,648 --> 01:03:47,168 Aye. 1395 01:03:47,208 --> 01:03:47,928 Opposed the same. 1396 01:03:49,148 --> 01:03:50,848 So moved. All right, now 1397 01:03:51,008 --> 01:03:53,508 1422.02. 1398 01:03:54,468 --> 01:03:58,108 Yeah. 1422.02 is just rescinding this 1399 01:03:58,168 --> 01:03:58,568 policy. 1400 01:03:59,568 --> 01:04:00,848 Is just voting it out. 1401 01:04:02,008 --> 01:04:04,368 Board, is there any discussion on that? 1402 01:04:05,748 --> 01:04:06,008 Seeing- 1403 01:04:06,068 --> 01:04:07,428 I'll make a motion to approve. 1404 01:04:08,168 --> 01:04:11,088 A motion from Mr. Durbin. A second from- 1405 01:04:11,568 --> 01:04:11,968 I second. 1406 01:04:12,428 --> 01:04:15,128 Mr. Byerly, thank you. All in favor say aye. 1407 01:04:15,478 --> 01:04:15,478 Aye. 1408 01:04:15,508 --> 01:04:15,828 Aye. 1409 01:04:15,988 --> 01:04:16,818 Opposed the same. 1410 01:04:17,888 --> 01:04:21,678 All right, next up, policy 1662. Mr. Voor. 1411 01:04:21,728 --> 01:04:25,657 Yeah, 1662 is also a rescind. They're 1412 01:04:25,708 --> 01:04:26,838 just removing that policy. 1413 01:04:27,988 --> 01:04:29,298 Board, is there any discussion on that? 1414 01:04:30,588 --> 01:04:33,088 Seeing none, do I have a motion to approve? 1415 01:04:33,448 --> 01:04:35,968 I'll make a motion to approve. I'll second. 1416 01:04:36,388 --> 01:04:39,308 Motion from Mr. Durbin, a second from Mrs. Blackman. 1417 01:04:39,408 --> 01:04:40,568 All in favor say aye. 1418 01:04:41,548 --> 01:04:41,898 Aye. 1419 01:04:41,898 --> 01:04:41,948 Aye. 1420 01:04:41,988 --> 01:04:42,858 Opposed the same. 1421 01:04:43,668 --> 01:04:46,008 So moved. Policy 2260. 1422 01:04:46,728 --> 01:04:50,608 Yes, 2260 is the same question that has 1423 01:04:50,648 --> 01:04:52,108 been brought up, the appeal process. 1424 01:04:52,538 --> 01:04:56,157 Almost all these policies, as you roll through the 1425 01:04:57,088 --> 01:05:01,068 compliance officer and you go through the appeal process, they're 1426 01:05:01,088 --> 01:05:04,348 written almost exactly the same. It's just a different type of 1427 01:05:04,388 --> 01:05:08,168 discrimination or employment process. 1428 01:05:09,948 --> 01:05:13,288 Okay. Board, is there any conversation or discussion on this? 1429 01:05:14,188 --> 01:05:17,668 So we have oversight, you're saying, general oversight of these? Okay. 1430 01:05:19,928 --> 01:05:21,907 I'll make a motion to approve as presented. 1431 01:05:24,268 --> 01:05:24,948 I'll second. 1432 01:05:25,028 --> 01:05:28,208 Motion from Mr. Durbin, a second from Mrs. Blackman. All in favor say aye. 1433 01:05:28,768 --> 01:05:29,128 Aye. 1434 01:05:29,138 --> 01:05:29,138 Aye. 1435 01:05:29,148 --> 01:05:30,028 Opposed the same. 1436 01:05:30,908 --> 01:05:33,708 So moved. 2260.01. 1437 01:05:34,788 --> 01:05:36,288 Once again, Mr. Voor. 1438 01:05:36,988 --> 01:05:39,188 Yes. Same story with the appeal process. 1439 01:05:41,548 --> 01:05:43,268 I do want to ask a quick question. 1440 01:05:43,848 --> 01:05:44,748 On this policy? 1441 01:05:45,128 --> 01:05:46,208 Not necessarily. 1442 01:05:46,328 --> 01:05:46,588 Okay. 1443 01:05:47,628 --> 01:05:47,908 Can we- 1444 01:05:48,148 --> 01:05:48,628 Is that okay? 1445 01:05:48,828 --> 01:05:49,228 Well, let's- 1446 01:05:49,288 --> 01:05:49,828 Wait till the end? 1447 01:05:49,928 --> 01:05:53,488 Yeah. No. Since we're discussing this one, let's get a 1448 01:05:53,548 --> 01:05:53,988 motion- 1449 01:05:54,308 --> 01:05:54,448 Okay 1450 01:05:54,468 --> 01:05:56,088 ... and move on, then we'll go what you have to say. 1451 01:05:56,098 --> 01:05:56,308 Okay with that. 1452 01:05:56,888 --> 01:05:59,388 Is there a motion to approve 2260.01? 1453 01:05:59,728 --> 01:06:00,468 I'll make the motion. 1454 01:06:04,378 --> 01:06:04,828 I'll second. 1455 01:06:05,088 --> 01:06:07,488 We have a motion from Mrs. Blackman, a second from Mr. Durbin. 1456 01:06:07,548 --> 01:06:08,468 All in favor say aye. 1457 01:06:09,118 --> 01:06:09,118 Aye. 1458 01:06:09,148 --> 01:06:09,568 Aye. 1459 01:06:09,588 --> 01:06:12,578 Opposed the same. So moved. AJ, what's your 1460 01:06:13,408 --> 01:06:13,748 question? 1461 01:06:16,388 --> 01:06:17,498 Quick question on 1462 01:06:19,588 --> 01:06:19,928 the 1463 01:06:21,908 --> 01:06:22,588 question that 1464 01:06:23,528 --> 01:06:27,008 Dwight brought up in the public comments 1465 01:06:27,168 --> 01:06:29,288 was some areas it says may 1466 01:06:30,748 --> 01:06:33,038 versus requiring, actual, 1467 01:06:34,188 --> 01:06:36,048 I guess, 1468 01:06:38,468 --> 01:06:41,248 bringing it forth or complaint or whatever. 1469 01:06:41,268 --> 01:06:42,968 The consistency of that? 1470 01:06:43,128 --> 01:06:47,068 Yeah. And I guess I want to ask counsel if we have 1471 01:06:47,608 --> 01:06:51,588 a reason why that's separated so that we're making good decisions and if 1472 01:06:51,628 --> 01:06:54,208 we need to revisit one because of that. 1473 01:06:55,348 --> 01:06:59,228 Thank you, Board Member Byerly. I do have an answer 1474 01:06:59,308 --> 01:07:02,388 for that issue. It is called Title IX 1475 01:07:03,524 --> 01:07:07,204 Title IX is the federal law that deals with discrimination. 1476 01:07:08,004 --> 01:07:11,424 One of the bigger concerns actually is going to be the next policy you all discuss 1477 01:07:11,484 --> 01:07:15,184 tonight, that's 2266, and it's right in line with what you 1478 01:07:15,264 --> 01:07:15,964 identified. 1479 01:07:16,824 --> 01:07:19,284 The current policy proposed by NEOLA 1480 01:07:20,184 --> 01:07:24,144 identifies what are called mandatory reporters under Title IX. 1481 01:07:24,824 --> 01:07:24,854 Mm-hmm. 1482 01:07:24,964 --> 01:07:27,644 Those are going to be your teachers and your frontline employees. 1483 01:07:27,824 --> 01:07:28,444 Right. Mm-hmm. 1484 01:07:28,544 --> 01:07:32,384 The policy that you are proposing to adopt tonight also sweeps you 1485 01:07:32,544 --> 01:07:34,744 into that, and students. 1486 01:07:35,904 --> 01:07:39,444 So if you were to pass this policy tonight, you just made 1487 01:07:39,504 --> 01:07:42,464 yourselves mandatory reporters, as well as students. 1488 01:07:43,464 --> 01:07:45,324 If the board has some concern with that, 1489 01:07:46,184 --> 01:07:49,504 as far as putting on additional liability on the students and yourself, 1490 01:07:50,944 --> 01:07:54,724 I think that helps you understand maybe the greater issues at play when we're 1491 01:07:54,784 --> 01:07:58,664 looking at these policies. With the board's permission, I'd like to speak about two 1492 01:07:58,704 --> 01:07:59,684 more minutes on that. 1493 01:08:00,224 --> 01:08:00,384 Sure. 1494 01:08:01,824 --> 01:08:05,424 I think we've gotten into a situation, there's an old saying that a camel 1495 01:08:06,024 --> 01:08:08,544 is a horse designed by a committee. 1496 01:08:09,524 --> 01:08:10,724 I will repeat that. 1497 01:08:11,684 --> 01:08:15,584 A camel is a horse designed by 1498 01:08:15,664 --> 01:08:16,304 a committee. 1499 01:08:17,224 --> 01:08:21,204 We've seen policy kind to bog us down in our work, and 1500 01:08:21,264 --> 01:08:23,764 we have a framework we think would be helpful 1501 01:08:24,565 --> 01:08:26,525 for you going forward as board members. 1502 01:08:27,565 --> 01:08:30,105 The first question on any policy is: 1503 01:08:31,004 --> 01:08:32,544 Is it legally permissible? 1504 01:08:33,364 --> 01:08:34,584 Good news, that's our lane. 1505 01:08:36,464 --> 01:08:39,514 Next time a policy comes down, a good approach would be to say, 1506 01:08:40,714 --> 01:08:43,364 "Does it advance East Noble's mission?" 1507 01:08:44,445 --> 01:08:45,464 That is your lane. 1508 01:08:46,684 --> 01:08:47,364 At the end, 1509 01:08:49,084 --> 01:08:53,004 when you evaluate the third, is there a compelling East Noble 1510 01:08:53,044 --> 01:08:54,244 specific reason 1511 01:08:55,544 --> 01:08:58,924 not to adopt it? That's where the debate should live. 1512 01:09:00,424 --> 01:09:03,784 So when you look at these policies, we should also 1513 01:09:03,864 --> 01:09:07,084 understand they come generally in three areas. 1514 01:09:08,584 --> 01:09:12,275 The first one is going to be category one, this kind of 1515 01:09:12,384 --> 01:09:12,704 stuff. 1516 01:09:13,684 --> 01:09:17,584 This is your Title IX, your ADA, your technical compliance 1517 01:09:17,644 --> 01:09:20,804 stuff. Record retention, mandatory reporting. 1518 01:09:21,384 --> 01:09:22,464 Generally speaking, 1519 01:09:23,764 --> 01:09:27,724 limited debate. Question, are we legally comfortable with this? 1520 01:09:28,584 --> 01:09:31,804 Next policy is going to become... And this is very important we know this. 1521 01:09:31,884 --> 01:09:35,445 This is why boards, we've had a lot of public 1522 01:09:37,364 --> 01:09:37,784 interest. 1523 01:09:37,985 --> 01:09:38,364 For sake. 1524 01:09:38,744 --> 01:09:42,144 And that is local choice policies. 1525 01:09:43,973 --> 01:09:47,164 Facility use, student conduct, calendars. 1526 01:09:49,544 --> 01:09:51,724 Debate encouraged, full-throated. 1527 01:09:51,804 --> 01:09:55,644 Those are the things that you're going to really work on, generally 1528 01:09:55,784 --> 01:09:56,384 speaking. 1529 01:09:58,664 --> 01:10:02,044 With that, these policies tonight 1530 01:10:03,304 --> 01:10:04,744 that came down from NEOLA, 1531 01:10:05,684 --> 01:10:08,524 we reviewed them. They are legally acceptable. 1532 01:10:09,364 --> 01:10:13,264 We have concern, as I pointed out on the one that I just said. 1533 01:10:14,144 --> 01:10:14,984 2266. 1534 01:10:15,284 --> 01:10:18,504 And then to finally answer your question, those are the reasons. 1535 01:10:18,514 --> 01:10:21,464 Some are mandatory and there may be some discretion. 1536 01:10:21,664 --> 01:10:24,193 I don't want to tell you each one 1537 01:10:25,044 --> 01:10:28,364 because I don't know that memorized, but the bigger spirit of is that that's 1538 01:10:28,404 --> 01:10:31,364 probably why there are some that are mandatory and otherwise there is a 1539 01:10:31,504 --> 01:10:34,574 law that requires it. Thank you, Mr. Mahoney. 1540 01:10:36,184 --> 01:10:36,524 Thank you. 1541 01:10:38,244 --> 01:10:41,324 All right, 2266. Do you have any more conversation on that, 1542 01:10:42,184 --> 01:10:42,784 AJ? 1543 01:10:42,864 --> 01:10:43,624 Uh, no. 1544 01:10:43,684 --> 01:10:43,824 Okay. 1545 01:10:44,184 --> 01:10:46,534 I have a question to ask him for 2266. 1546 01:10:47,444 --> 01:10:47,693 There was a- 1547 01:10:47,744 --> 01:10:49,644 Hang on a second. You're asking... 1548 01:10:50,944 --> 01:10:53,334 Okay, let Steve frame it out first, if you don't mind, 1549 01:10:54,144 --> 01:10:54,924 and then we'll go from there. 1550 01:10:56,244 --> 01:10:58,704 I may or may not answer your question, Joel. 1551 01:10:59,384 --> 01:11:00,693 This one is based 1552 01:11:01,644 --> 01:11:05,104 a lot on non-discrimination on the basis of sex in education 1553 01:11:05,164 --> 01:11:07,024 programs or activities. 1554 01:11:07,924 --> 01:11:10,844 Basically, this is a policy talking about 1555 01:11:12,744 --> 01:11:16,484 sexual misconduct in an 1556 01:11:16,544 --> 01:11:18,944 educational facility. And so 1557 01:11:20,344 --> 01:11:23,904 the way it's written, if I'm understanding our legal counsel 1558 01:11:23,943 --> 01:11:27,884 correctly, that it does place the board in a 1559 01:11:27,924 --> 01:11:31,604 precarious situation and students in a precarious situation. 1560 01:11:32,204 --> 01:11:32,584 So 1561 01:11:33,764 --> 01:11:34,004 while 1562 01:11:35,204 --> 01:11:39,124 it can be approved, it may be needed to be approved 1563 01:11:39,184 --> 01:11:40,524 with adjustments 1564 01:11:41,484 --> 01:11:42,584 to exclude 1565 01:11:44,344 --> 01:11:46,104 the board from any exposure. 1566 01:11:49,404 --> 01:11:53,064 That being said, are you wanting to tell us exactly what you would like 1567 01:11:53,084 --> 01:11:56,934 omitted from this? What lines? Or do you want to table this one and 1568 01:11:56,964 --> 01:11:57,924 come back with that? 1569 01:11:58,244 --> 01:12:01,964 I think after listening to Mr. Tipton, I would like to table this one 1570 01:12:02,184 --> 01:12:05,984 and then bring it back to you next board meeting with some 1571 01:12:06,324 --> 01:12:08,124 more defined language. 1572 01:12:08,424 --> 01:12:09,074 Okay. Board- 1573 01:12:09,084 --> 01:12:12,064 Also, I think on this same policy, 1574 01:12:12,304 --> 01:12:13,464 2266, 1575 01:12:14,404 --> 01:12:16,704 I've got it circled in here. We don't have a 1576 01:12:18,604 --> 01:12:18,984 date 1577 01:12:19,804 --> 01:12:20,604 range, like a 1578 01:12:21,864 --> 01:12:22,564 time frame. 1579 01:12:22,664 --> 01:12:23,224 What page? 1580 01:12:24,664 --> 01:12:26,724 You mean as far as, just so I'm aware what- 1581 01:12:26,904 --> 01:12:28,304 Like a five-day time frame- 1582 01:12:28,344 --> 01:12:28,354 Got you. How quick to report 1583 01:12:28,354 --> 01:12:32,344 ... or a 10-day time frame. Yeah, how quick to report, and there's a blank in 1584 01:12:32,364 --> 01:12:32,904 there and I don't know if 1585 01:12:34,284 --> 01:12:34,844 we're supposed to- 1586 01:12:34,924 --> 01:12:36,023 Yeah, do you know the page and line? 1587 01:12:36,594 --> 01:12:37,884 Not to put you on the spot, but- 1588 01:12:37,944 --> 01:12:38,774 No, because I've got it- 1589 01:12:39,144 --> 01:12:41,924 Come on ... he's got an old one. Oh, okay then, yeah, don't worry about it. 1590 01:12:42,004 --> 01:12:43,704 The format of it. That's fine. We're going to table it. 1591 01:12:43,724 --> 01:12:43,924 Okay. 1592 01:12:43,984 --> 01:12:44,604 Let's get to it. 1593 01:12:44,624 --> 01:12:45,134 Just so we can- 1594 01:12:45,204 --> 01:12:45,714 Yeah, we'll find it 1595 01:12:45,924 --> 01:12:46,074 ... we'll get the correct- 1596 01:12:46,074 --> 01:12:47,194 It's changed on the new version- 1597 01:12:47,604 --> 01:12:47,904 Okay 1598 01:12:47,914 --> 01:12:48,314 ... that you got- 1599 01:12:48,424 --> 01:12:48,644 Okay 1600 01:12:48,884 --> 01:12:49,424 ... today. 1601 01:12:49,524 --> 01:12:49,734 Okay. 1602 01:12:50,204 --> 01:12:50,644 There you go. 1603 01:12:51,184 --> 01:12:54,104 All right. I still want to ask Mr. Tipton a question. 1604 01:12:55,824 --> 01:12:57,674 On the policy 2266, 1605 01:12:59,044 --> 01:13:02,044 it was selected that we were going with 1606 01:13:02,084 --> 01:13:03,924 the preponderance 1607 01:13:04,844 --> 01:13:08,544 Of the evidence standard instead of a convincing 1608 01:13:08,604 --> 01:13:10,804 evidence standard. Is there a reason for that? 1609 01:13:11,464 --> 01:13:13,584 Joe, can you tell us a page and a line you're referring to? 1610 01:13:13,624 --> 01:13:16,154 No, I don't have the formatted version on me. 1611 01:13:16,184 --> 01:13:18,264 Can I tell you the reason why the board what, huh? 1612 01:13:19,024 --> 01:13:22,864 So there was a selection, I was speaking to Steve about 1613 01:13:22,904 --> 01:13:23,043 it. 1614 01:13:25,524 --> 01:13:27,744 There was a selection made where it talks about... 1615 01:13:27,764 --> 01:13:28,124 Do you know where 1616 01:13:28,984 --> 01:13:29,394 it's at on the- 1617 01:13:29,444 --> 01:13:32,024 You may have... Do you sure you don't have the page and line in front of you? 1618 01:13:33,784 --> 01:13:34,364 I got the big- 1619 01:13:34,664 --> 01:13:35,144 So we're under- 1620 01:13:35,224 --> 01:13:35,434 ... packet 1621 01:13:35,434 --> 01:13:36,444 ... compliance officer's 1622 01:13:37,383 --> 01:13:40,644 standard approved. So what we're talking about, let's use plain English. 1623 01:13:40,724 --> 01:13:44,644 I think, board member Lash, what you're saying is, what is the standard 1624 01:13:44,654 --> 01:13:45,524 under- 1625 01:13:45,624 --> 01:13:49,304 Well, no. I'm wondering why are we using the standard of preponderance, which is 1626 01:13:49,344 --> 01:13:53,264 just a little bit over 50/50, rather than a convincing evidence standard, 1627 01:13:53,464 --> 01:13:55,984 which is, we know for sure that this has occurred. 1628 01:13:56,584 --> 01:14:00,224 I can't... Well, for one, you haven't voted, so you haven't chose that language. 1629 01:14:00,284 --> 01:14:01,044 I think what you're asking is- 1630 01:14:01,114 --> 01:14:01,114 Yeah 1631 01:14:01,114 --> 01:14:02,464 ... what are the benefits or risks- 1632 01:14:02,564 --> 01:14:03,444 Yes. Correct 1633 01:14:03,664 --> 01:14:05,344 ... of hiring, lowering the standard- 1634 01:14:05,604 --> 01:14:05,724 Correct 1635 01:14:05,734 --> 01:14:06,484 ... upping the standard. 1636 01:14:06,524 --> 01:14:07,004 Yeah. 1637 01:14:10,884 --> 01:14:14,784 I can tell you generally, public policy, and we worked on this 1638 01:14:14,824 --> 01:14:16,764 recently on some other issues for the school, 1639 01:14:18,844 --> 01:14:22,504 errs on the side of report if you even 1640 01:14:22,544 --> 01:14:25,364 think, if you have any inclination. 1641 01:14:26,404 --> 01:14:30,284 Given that that is kind of the public policy within the state when you're talking 1642 01:14:30,364 --> 01:14:31,904 about sex abuse and children, 1643 01:14:32,804 --> 01:14:36,744 I think if you're asking me tonight why I think that would be the 1644 01:14:36,844 --> 01:14:40,694 defensible language, because I would want to err on the side of 1645 01:14:40,824 --> 01:14:42,564 caution and have a lower standard, 1646 01:14:43,444 --> 01:14:46,464 erring on child safety maybe, in these type of issues. 1647 01:14:47,404 --> 01:14:50,964 I would want to do further research to see if we can up that standard. 1648 01:14:51,884 --> 01:14:54,794 I don't know. We're going to need to look at employment rights and those kind of 1649 01:14:54,824 --> 01:14:58,054 things as far as what those standards are, but that's a philosophical- 1650 01:14:58,564 --> 01:14:58,634 Yeah 1651 01:14:58,634 --> 01:14:59,304 ... observation. 1652 01:14:59,564 --> 01:15:03,444 My biggest concern is, yeah, I understand what you're saying, the caution that, 1653 01:15:03,584 --> 01:15:07,304 but at the other side of that, we have to make sure that people aren't being 1654 01:15:07,364 --> 01:15:08,184 falsely accused. 1655 01:15:08,264 --> 01:15:09,324 There's always another side. 1656 01:15:09,684 --> 01:15:10,024 Correct. 1657 01:15:10,174 --> 01:15:12,684 And I'm glad you guys are the board to get to balance that. 1658 01:15:14,304 --> 01:15:16,924 Yeah, you're always going to have the if and buts, right? We always are. 1659 01:15:16,944 --> 01:15:17,284 We need to- 1660 01:15:17,364 --> 01:15:19,164 That's a board determination. 1661 01:15:19,304 --> 01:15:19,544 Yeah. 1662 01:15:19,604 --> 01:15:23,384 Right? As far as what you want the standard, we will provide you a legal opinion on 1663 01:15:23,444 --> 01:15:24,524 where you can set it, 1664 01:15:25,464 --> 01:15:28,704 but that's ultimately your determination. That's one of those culture things. 1665 01:15:30,084 --> 01:15:31,764 Do we err on this side or that side? 1666 01:15:32,924 --> 01:15:36,724 I'd like to make a motion to table 2266. 1667 01:15:37,704 --> 01:15:38,024 We'll- 1668 01:15:38,364 --> 01:15:38,673 I'll s- 1669 01:15:38,673 --> 01:15:42,564 ... give Steve time to bring it. And if, just like before, if 1670 01:15:42,644 --> 01:15:46,164 we have any things to add or questions, then we- 1671 01:15:46,173 --> 01:15:48,884 Please get with Steve. And yeah, Joel, sit down with Steve and tell him your 1672 01:15:48,924 --> 01:15:51,784 concerns, and specifically the lines and what have you, if you could. 1673 01:15:53,344 --> 01:15:54,124 Well, that was my motion. 1674 01:15:54,204 --> 01:15:55,384 There's a motion. Is there a second? 1675 01:15:55,484 --> 01:15:55,964 I'll second. 1676 01:15:56,344 --> 01:15:57,314 All in favor say aye. 1677 01:15:57,744 --> 01:15:58,044 Aye. 1678 01:15:58,054 --> 01:15:58,084 Aye. 1679 01:15:58,244 --> 01:15:59,864 Opposed the same. All right. 1680 01:16:00,904 --> 01:16:01,984 More work for you, Steve. 1681 01:16:02,204 --> 01:16:02,214 Yep. 1682 01:16:02,244 --> 01:16:03,004 Sharpen the pencil. 1683 01:16:04,004 --> 01:16:04,384 All right. 1684 01:16:05,224 --> 01:16:06,764 Policy 3122. 1685 01:16:06,864 --> 01:16:10,844 Yeah, 3122. Once again, we're talking, the 1686 01:16:10,904 --> 01:16:13,644 major discussion point on this one, once again, is 1687 01:16:14,484 --> 01:16:15,424 the appeal process. 1688 01:16:17,144 --> 01:16:20,784 Has to deal with non-discrimination, equal employment opportunities, 1689 01:16:21,264 --> 01:16:22,144 anti-harassment. 1690 01:16:25,904 --> 01:16:28,884 And I would recommend that you approve this one the way it's written. 1691 01:16:32,604 --> 01:16:33,424 Board, is there a motion? 1692 01:16:34,424 --> 01:16:36,524 I'll make a motion to approve as presented. 1693 01:16:37,064 --> 01:16:37,744 Is there a second? 1694 01:16:37,984 --> 01:16:38,444 I second. 1695 01:16:38,544 --> 01:16:41,824 We have a motion from Mr. Durbin, a second from Mr. Byerly. All in favor say aye. 1696 01:16:42,114 --> 01:16:42,114 Aye. 1697 01:16:42,184 --> 01:16:42,344 Aye. 1698 01:16:42,684 --> 01:16:43,444 Opposed the same. 1699 01:16:45,224 --> 01:16:45,904 So moved. 1700 01:16:46,924 --> 01:16:48,904 Next, 3122.02. 1701 01:16:49,084 --> 01:16:50,744 Is just rescinding this policy. 1702 01:16:51,304 --> 01:16:52,284 Is there a motion, board? 1703 01:16:53,124 --> 01:16:53,684 Make a motion. 1704 01:16:54,724 --> 01:16:55,284 I'll second. 1705 01:16:55,724 --> 01:16:58,324 We have a motion from Mr. Byerly, a second from Mr. Timmerman. 1706 01:16:58,364 --> 01:16:59,424 All in favor say aye. 1707 01:16:59,844 --> 01:16:59,854 Aye. 1708 01:16:59,864 --> 01:17:00,203 Aye. 1709 01:17:00,364 --> 01:17:01,124 Opposed the same. 1710 01:17:01,924 --> 01:17:04,344 So moved. Policy 3362. 1711 01:17:05,564 --> 01:17:09,164 Yep. That one deals with non-discrimination, equal employment 1712 01:17:09,204 --> 01:17:09,864 opportunities. 1713 01:17:12,244 --> 01:17:15,824 Has a question about the appeal process that Mr. 1714 01:17:15,904 --> 01:17:19,044 Tipton has addressed. Ask for your approval at this time. 1715 01:17:21,083 --> 01:17:22,023 Is there a motion, board? 1716 01:17:22,304 --> 01:17:24,284 I'll make a motion to approve as presented. 1717 01:17:26,664 --> 01:17:27,284 And a second? 1718 01:17:29,384 --> 01:17:29,704 Second. 1719 01:17:29,944 --> 01:17:33,544 We have a motion from Mr. Durbin, a second from Mr. Byerly. All in favor say aye. 1720 01:17:33,934 --> 01:17:33,934 Aye. 1721 01:17:33,984 --> 01:17:34,304 Aye. 1722 01:17:34,424 --> 01:17:35,204 Opposed the same. 1723 01:17:36,284 --> 01:17:36,744 So moved. 1724 01:17:38,724 --> 01:17:39,664 4122. 1725 01:17:40,104 --> 01:17:43,884 4122 is a rescind. The language is covered in another 1726 01:17:43,924 --> 01:17:46,744 policy, so they're doing away with .02. 1727 01:17:48,084 --> 01:17:49,664 Wait, 4122? 1728 01:17:50,024 --> 01:17:50,674 4122- 1729 01:17:51,004 --> 01:17:51,154 Okay 1730 01:17:51,164 --> 01:17:51,684 ... .02. 1731 01:17:52,184 --> 01:17:54,994 Oh, okay. We're on 4122 first. 1732 01:17:56,284 --> 01:17:56,564 Sorry. 1733 01:17:57,104 --> 01:17:57,644 That's my fault. 1734 01:17:57,804 --> 01:17:58,204 You're good. 1735 01:17:59,384 --> 01:18:00,374 Yeah, that's all. 1736 01:18:00,374 --> 01:18:01,244 You were testing me. I get it. 1737 01:18:03,154 --> 01:18:03,914 That's all right. 1738 01:18:03,984 --> 01:18:04,544 This time. 1739 01:18:04,724 --> 01:18:04,734 Oh, gee. 1740 01:18:04,744 --> 01:18:06,814 Yeah, that's the discrimination process. 1741 01:18:06,884 --> 01:18:10,484 The same question, the appeal question that came up. 1742 01:18:10,524 --> 01:18:13,584 If you're comfortable with the other one on the appeal process, you'll be 1743 01:18:13,644 --> 01:18:14,964 comfortable with this language as well. 1744 01:18:15,284 --> 01:18:15,624 Okay. 1745 01:18:18,824 --> 01:18:20,864 Board, is there a motion to approve 4122? 1746 01:18:21,484 --> 01:18:23,444 I'll make a motion to approve as presented. 1747 01:18:23,724 --> 01:18:24,244 I'll second. 1748 01:18:24,384 --> 01:18:27,684 We have a motion from Mr. Durbin, a second from Mrs. Blackman. 1749 01:18:27,744 --> 01:18:29,344 All in favor say aye. 1750 01:18:29,454 --> 01:18:29,454 Aye. 1751 01:18:29,564 --> 01:18:29,804 Aye. 1752 01:18:30,124 --> 01:18:30,984 Opposed the same. 1753 01:18:32,204 --> 01:18:34,804 So moved. Now 4122.02 is a- 1754 01:18:35,084 --> 01:18:35,784 It's a rescind 1755 01:18:36,344 --> 01:18:39,324 I'll make a motion to accept 4122.02. 1756 01:18:40,704 --> 01:18:41,283 I'll second. 1757 01:18:41,554 --> 01:18:44,064 I have a motion from Mrs. Blackman, a second from Mr. Timmerman. 1758 01:18:44,084 --> 01:18:45,484 All in favor say aye. 1759 01:18:45,514 --> 01:18:45,514 Aye. 1760 01:18:45,724 --> 01:18:46,264 Aye. 1761 01:18:46,284 --> 01:18:49,384 Opposed the same. And then policy 4362. 1762 01:18:49,424 --> 01:18:50,864 That's rescind as well. 1763 01:18:51,104 --> 01:18:52,404 Is there a motion to approve? 1764 01:18:53,524 --> 01:18:55,304 Make a motion to approve as presented. 1765 01:18:58,104 --> 01:18:58,684 I'll second. 1766 01:18:59,424 --> 01:19:02,424 Motion from Mr. Durbin, a second from Mrs. Blackman. All in favor say aye. 1767 01:19:02,844 --> 01:19:02,854 Aye. 1768 01:19:02,884 --> 01:19:03,244 Aye. 1769 01:19:03,524 --> 01:19:04,144 Opposed the same. 1770 01:19:05,204 --> 01:19:06,764 All right, so moved. Thank you, board. 1771 01:19:08,264 --> 01:19:09,663 Now moving on to discussion items. 1772 01:19:11,384 --> 01:19:11,824 Brian 1773 01:19:22,374 --> 01:19:25,974 All right, board tonight, in discussions, I'm going to 1774 01:19:26,034 --> 01:19:26,474 show 1775 01:19:27,654 --> 01:19:29,354 you where the budget 1776 01:19:30,414 --> 01:19:34,294 has landed for the education fund, operations fund, and both 1777 01:19:34,334 --> 01:19:37,774 debt service funds. This is a process that started back 1778 01:19:37,934 --> 01:19:41,684 in February-ish. I've been working on it pretty 1779 01:19:41,734 --> 01:19:42,304 diligently- 1780 01:19:44,514 --> 01:19:44,524 Thank you 1781 01:19:44,524 --> 01:19:46,434 ... since. This is a little bit different version than what you've seen in the 1782 01:19:46,494 --> 01:19:47,034 past. 1783 01:19:48,274 --> 01:19:48,603 Hopefully, you 1784 01:19:50,274 --> 01:19:52,074 will understand it a little bit better. 1785 01:19:52,514 --> 01:19:54,914 So what you're seeing is, there are three pages. 1786 01:19:54,944 --> 01:19:57,114 The first page is front and back, that's the education fund. 1787 01:19:57,634 --> 01:20:01,394 The second page has the debt on the one side, and the last page has the 1788 01:20:01,454 --> 01:20:03,674 operations fund. At the top, you'll see 1789 01:20:05,394 --> 01:20:08,374 a summary of the dollar amount of the budget, 1790 01:20:09,454 --> 01:20:13,174 the dollar change from the 2026 budget, and that percentage increase. 1791 01:20:16,074 --> 01:20:17,754 So for the education fund, 1792 01:20:18,594 --> 01:20:21,994 it's $30.7 million and some change. 1793 01:20:22,334 --> 01:20:25,254 It's up about $1.46 million from 1794 01:20:25,394 --> 01:20:28,874 2026. The majority of that 1795 01:20:29,434 --> 01:20:31,494 has to do with rising costs in healthcare. 1796 01:20:32,774 --> 01:20:36,334 Our premiums, we had a pretty rough year the last year or so 1797 01:20:37,054 --> 01:20:37,614 with our 1798 01:20:38,534 --> 01:20:41,934 self-funded plan. We actually saw an increase of about 1799 01:20:41,954 --> 01:20:45,554 12% our health insurance. The majority of that 1800 01:20:45,674 --> 01:20:49,614 is taken on by the board as the support on behalf 1801 01:20:49,674 --> 01:20:50,534 of the staff, 1802 01:20:51,374 --> 01:20:53,714 and the staff pays a much smaller portion. 1803 01:20:54,114 --> 01:20:57,734 So that's the overall majority. Roughly 56% of that 1804 01:20:58,454 --> 01:21:01,074 is due to healthcare. 1805 01:21:02,354 --> 01:21:06,274 There are some monies in there set aside 1806 01:21:06,314 --> 01:21:07,434 for raises. 1807 01:21:08,354 --> 01:21:12,274 I don't know that we'll realize those, but there is something 1808 01:21:12,294 --> 01:21:16,214 budgeted in there. There's roughly about a half a million dollars is 1809 01:21:16,274 --> 01:21:18,194 part of that $1.46 million. 1810 01:21:19,294 --> 01:21:22,544 It's really going to depend on what happens this next legislative 1811 01:21:22,574 --> 01:21:26,114 session and so forth. So revenues are really 1812 01:21:26,154 --> 01:21:28,674 hard to determine what it's going to look like. 1813 01:21:31,214 --> 01:21:31,714 And 1814 01:21:33,014 --> 01:21:36,834 then over the last couple of years, we have 1815 01:21:37,714 --> 01:21:40,134 sanctioned more programs. 1816 01:21:40,934 --> 01:21:44,824 Also have under-budgeted our ECA stipends, which is for our coaches 1817 01:21:45,534 --> 01:21:47,074 and other programs 1818 01:21:47,954 --> 01:21:51,814 within the school, whether it be robotics or student council or 1819 01:21:51,994 --> 01:21:52,454 what have you. 1820 01:21:54,134 --> 01:21:56,954 So that was about 8% of the increase. 1821 01:21:59,234 --> 01:22:01,554 But for the most part, there's a little bit of a 1822 01:22:02,654 --> 01:22:05,214 board takeaway there at the top that talks a little bit about that 1823 01:22:06,354 --> 01:22:09,354 for the education fund. The debt service fund 1824 01:22:10,214 --> 01:22:14,014 is fairly simple. Those are basically your debt service payments for both 1825 01:22:15,134 --> 01:22:17,274 the debt service and the referendum debt. 1826 01:22:17,754 --> 01:22:21,463 The debt service are basically, call them the mortgage payments on the 1827 01:22:21,534 --> 01:22:25,414 bonds that were used to construct the East Noble Academy, 1828 01:22:25,914 --> 01:22:29,474 as well as renovations to this building as far as 1829 01:22:29,834 --> 01:22:30,414 HVAC. 1830 01:22:31,814 --> 01:22:35,794 Those are needs-driven. It goes right off the amortization schedule, 1831 01:22:35,874 --> 01:22:36,734 so there's not much to 1832 01:22:38,034 --> 01:22:41,914 really play with there. So that shows what those payments 1833 01:22:42,014 --> 01:22:45,704 are. And then the last page is your operations 1834 01:22:45,774 --> 01:22:49,434 fund. Really worked hard with Senate Bill 1 1835 01:22:49,514 --> 01:22:53,394 and some of the property tax reform to keep this increase as 1836 01:22:53,434 --> 01:22:56,894 minimal as possible. So you're seeing less than a 1% increase, 1837 01:22:57,494 --> 01:22:59,934 equates to about 83, $84,000. 1838 01:23:01,174 --> 01:23:04,174 So the total was $9.65 million 1839 01:23:05,254 --> 01:23:06,394 for the operations fund. 1840 01:23:07,634 --> 01:23:08,534 In order to do that, 1841 01:23:09,754 --> 01:23:13,424 we will be purchasing and looking to purchase two buses next year as 1842 01:23:13,474 --> 01:23:16,374 opposed to four. That cuts a fair amount out. 1843 01:23:17,094 --> 01:23:21,074 We'll also pull back some of the upgrades that we do to our 1844 01:23:21,114 --> 01:23:22,474 buildings as far as carpeting, 1845 01:23:23,274 --> 01:23:26,494 purchase of loose equipment fixtures, and so forth. 1846 01:23:26,594 --> 01:23:26,754 So, 1847 01:23:27,654 --> 01:23:27,954 that 1848 01:23:29,794 --> 01:23:31,854 is how we've been able to keep those down. 1849 01:23:31,933 --> 01:23:35,634 Again, property and casualty insurance increases, fuel 1850 01:23:35,734 --> 01:23:39,134 costs when it comes to transportation, those are all real 1851 01:23:41,854 --> 01:23:42,454 increases. 1852 01:23:44,054 --> 01:23:47,814 So going back to the summary that you've received, you 1853 01:23:47,914 --> 01:23:51,434 see the proposed 2027 budget, the approved 1854 01:23:51,574 --> 01:23:54,494 2026 budget, the dollar change, and the percent change by program. 1855 01:23:55,814 --> 01:23:59,234 Now you'll see some significant increases, some significant 1856 01:23:59,674 --> 01:24:03,034 decreases. We really worked hard as a team 1857 01:24:03,534 --> 01:24:06,754 to analyze our GL accounts, 1858 01:24:07,534 --> 01:24:08,874 to clean them up, to move 1859 01:24:09,814 --> 01:24:13,754 budgeted areas into more intentional areas of where they're 1860 01:24:13,774 --> 01:24:17,574 being spent and so forth. So that's a majority of why you're seeing some of 1861 01:24:17,634 --> 01:24:21,474 that. Also, each year, the state board of accountants typically has some sort 1862 01:24:21,634 --> 01:24:22,234 of 1863 01:24:24,174 --> 01:24:27,874 GL change or object change or program change. 1864 01:24:28,494 --> 01:24:32,414 And we've seen those over the past several years, most significantly 1865 01:24:32,434 --> 01:24:33,574 being 2019. 1866 01:24:34,654 --> 01:24:34,894 But 1867 01:24:37,374 --> 01:24:40,014 there have been a few along the way as well. 1868 01:24:40,994 --> 01:24:43,374 So that's why you're seeing a majority of the dollar changes. 1869 01:24:43,534 --> 01:24:47,244 What I had mentioned before, and what you'll see in the board takeaway up top, is 1870 01:24:47,274 --> 01:24:49,844 the primary reasons as to why you're seeing some of those increases. 1871 01:24:51,934 --> 01:24:55,854 So, this is just the preliminary 1872 01:24:56,874 --> 01:25:00,614 review to give to you. Next month will be the public hearing, 1873 01:25:01,514 --> 01:25:04,954 and then the following month we would bring this for adoption. 1874 01:25:05,794 --> 01:25:09,514 So once this is finalized in the proper formats, it will be advertised 1875 01:25:09,914 --> 01:25:13,814 on Gateway, as well as on our website per 1876 01:25:13,834 --> 01:25:17,694 Indiana code. And so we'll have that advertised at least 10 days before the 1877 01:25:17,754 --> 01:25:21,154 public hearing, and then we'll have the public hearing, and then 1878 01:25:22,690 --> 01:25:26,590 Bring it back, potentially at the October meeting for 1879 01:25:26,630 --> 01:25:27,050 approval. 1880 01:25:28,210 --> 01:25:28,490 Okay. 1881 01:25:29,410 --> 01:25:31,990 What falls under these other special programs? 1882 01:25:32,770 --> 01:25:35,270 Is that the 12,900 that you're referring to? 1883 01:25:36,110 --> 01:25:36,250 Yeah. 1884 01:25:37,050 --> 01:25:38,110 That's mostly your special ed 1885 01:25:39,550 --> 01:25:40,030 programs. 1886 01:25:45,010 --> 01:25:47,010 The question with that, you have 1887 01:25:48,010 --> 01:25:50,930 new in the percent change. 1888 01:25:51,310 --> 01:25:51,610 Mm-hmm. 1889 01:25:54,050 --> 01:25:57,450 Some of those are new categories. So if you're looking at the operations fund, for 1890 01:25:57,490 --> 01:25:58,800 example, the 11,420- 1891 01:25:59,230 --> 01:25:59,280 Mm-hmm 1892 01:25:59,429 --> 01:26:00,520 ... that is a 1893 01:26:01,330 --> 01:26:05,120 new program number that we moved one of our staff members into from another 1894 01:26:05,230 --> 01:26:05,370 one 1895 01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:08,010 in order to align with 1896 01:26:08,970 --> 01:26:10,350 the object codes and programs. 1897 01:26:10,639 --> 01:26:11,190 So you might see- 1898 01:26:11,250 --> 01:26:11,280 Different accounts 1899 01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,630 ... a reduction in something, but you're adding that, so- 1900 01:26:15,010 --> 01:26:16,250 Right 1901 01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:19,340 ... okay. Yeah. But what do those programs look like? 1902 01:26:19,380 --> 01:26:19,380 I 1903 01:26:21,530 --> 01:26:23,070 mean, what is the special program? 1904 01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:24,190 You said that that's- 1905 01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:25,430 That's your special ed classes 1906 01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:25,710 ... like what's- 1907 01:26:25,790 --> 01:26:27,270 Like mild, moderate disabilities, 1908 01:26:28,170 --> 01:26:29,430 applied skills 1909 01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:30,130 Just different classrooms? 1910 01:26:30,230 --> 01:26:30,590 Yes. 1911 01:26:30,930 --> 01:26:31,230 Okay. 1912 01:26:31,290 --> 01:26:34,230 So the actual budget itself is about 120 pages long. 1913 01:26:34,620 --> 01:26:34,620 Okay. 1914 01:26:35,090 --> 01:26:36,220 About 2,000 lines. 1915 01:26:36,740 --> 01:26:36,740 Okay. 1916 01:26:36,750 --> 01:26:40,660 This is the summary by program. So you have fund, program, object, and then 1917 01:26:40,730 --> 01:26:44,250 location. So this goes fund and then program, 1918 01:26:45,970 --> 01:26:49,410 the object location breaks out more deal into life insurance, health insurance, 1919 01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:51,110 salaries, turf, perf- 1920 01:26:51,570 --> 01:26:52,050 Okay 1921 01:26:52,170 --> 01:26:53,070 ... all that stuff. 1922 01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:54,750 All right. That's a very 1923 01:26:55,790 --> 01:26:57,950 general label. 1924 01:26:58,090 --> 01:26:58,470 Yes. 1925 01:26:58,530 --> 01:26:59,280 There's a lot of... Okay. All right. 1926 01:26:59,470 --> 01:27:03,450 But the thing to understand with it is that this money that 1927 01:27:03,490 --> 01:27:05,650 was in here was actually in a different bucket 1928 01:27:06,450 --> 01:27:08,510 last year that we aren't- For most of them, yes 1929 01:27:08,830 --> 01:27:10,960 ... since. Okay. 1930 01:27:11,050 --> 01:27:11,060 Yes. 1931 01:27:11,060 --> 01:27:13,250 Yeah. We're not all of a sudden spending 1.6 million- 1932 01:27:13,710 --> 01:27:13,850 Yeah 1933 01:27:13,870 --> 01:27:14,150 ... new- 1934 01:27:14,570 --> 01:27:14,670 Yeah 1935 01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:16,060 ... for our SPED programs. 1936 01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:19,530 Any other questions, board? 1937 01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:21,600 No. 1938 01:27:23,770 --> 01:27:26,790 Brian, if board members have any questions, obviously they'll be reaching out to 1939 01:27:26,850 --> 01:27:26,990 you. 1940 01:27:27,210 --> 01:27:28,050 Yep. 1941 01:27:28,230 --> 01:27:28,770 And 1942 01:27:30,770 --> 01:27:34,250 that is one of our main responsibilities, the oversight of this budget. 1943 01:27:34,370 --> 01:27:37,970 So board, I encourage you to dig deep into this if you're interested. 1944 01:27:39,610 --> 01:27:41,950 But Brian, thank you so much for putting this together. 1945 01:27:42,050 --> 01:27:45,950 I know this is a big part of your job obviously, and the time you 1946 01:27:46,030 --> 01:27:46,790 spend on it is 1947 01:27:48,830 --> 01:27:52,310 done intentionally and thoroughly, so we appreciate that very much. 1948 01:27:52,490 --> 01:27:53,110 So thank you. 1949 01:27:53,770 --> 01:27:54,030 Thanks. 1950 01:27:54,190 --> 01:27:54,450 Thank you. 1951 01:27:56,370 --> 01:27:57,570 Board, moving on. 1952 01:27:59,770 --> 01:28:02,110 Board policies. Imagine that. 1953 01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:04,590 What you got, Steve? 1954 01:28:04,990 --> 01:28:08,539 The booklet of board policies you've received now, 1955 01:28:09,890 --> 01:28:10,850 while it is thin, 1956 01:28:11,950 --> 01:28:14,670 it has to do with artificial intelligence. 1957 01:28:16,510 --> 01:28:18,690 It will cause a lengthy discussion, I'm sure. 1958 01:28:20,250 --> 01:28:23,950 But the packet is small and 1959 01:28:24,850 --> 01:28:27,770 should be able to go through that. If you have any questions about that, please 1960 01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:28,070 call. 1961 01:28:29,710 --> 01:28:33,010 I would also like to mention, starting next month, I'm 1962 01:28:33,310 --> 01:28:36,390 developing a team to go through AI policies for our 1963 01:28:36,430 --> 01:28:40,310 district from K to 12, and I have some 1964 01:28:40,350 --> 01:28:43,590 people that have already volunteered to be on that team. 1965 01:28:44,250 --> 01:28:45,530 So we are working towards that. 1966 01:28:46,670 --> 01:28:48,710 Steve, how will that tie into these policies? 1967 01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:49,410 Is there 1968 01:28:51,950 --> 01:28:55,890 concern with that? Does this need to be done first? 1969 01:28:56,010 --> 01:28:56,150 Or 1970 01:28:56,990 --> 01:28:58,330 is there committee work done first? 1971 01:28:58,350 --> 01:29:00,040 Or no, they're congruent, they're 1972 01:29:01,070 --> 01:29:01,490 different? 1973 01:29:02,250 --> 01:29:03,950 Well, the committee can form some 1974 01:29:04,970 --> 01:29:08,190 guidance. The policies are going to be what drives it. 1975 01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:08,770 Okay. 1976 01:29:08,850 --> 01:29:12,710 So we have to make sure we're staying compliant with the policies that are passed. 1977 01:29:13,070 --> 01:29:13,270 Okay. 1978 01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:19,060 We will pass these policies. We'll get some input from the committees, 1979 01:29:19,150 --> 01:29:22,410 but at the same time, they'll be understanding what our policies that we passed 1980 01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:23,390 are, and that's what's going to be implemented. 1981 01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:24,450 Yeah. I knew they were coming. 1982 01:29:24,770 --> 01:29:25,870 Okay. All right. 1983 01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:30,570 A lot of times in our policies you reference 1984 01:29:32,190 --> 01:29:33,250 the specific 1985 01:29:34,050 --> 01:29:37,270 EN code. Do these have EN codes attached? 1986 01:29:37,300 --> 01:29:38,730 They might. They probably do, yes. 1987 01:29:40,750 --> 01:29:40,889 Okay. 1988 01:29:41,310 --> 01:29:45,210 As you notice the new booklet you're receiving of policies, they 1989 01:29:45,230 --> 01:29:46,610 have a page number and a line number. 1990 01:29:46,890 --> 01:29:48,690 It'll make these discussions go a little simpler. 1991 01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:51,209 Gotcha. 1992 01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:53,730 All right. 1993 01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,510 Oh, I see. I didn't turn it enough, but I see the EN code. 1994 01:29:56,550 --> 01:29:58,430 Mm-hmm. Any more discussion on that, board? 1995 01:29:59,370 --> 01:30:00,710 Obviously we have some more reading to do- 1996 01:30:00,850 --> 01:30:01,120 Mm-hmm 1997 01:30:01,690 --> 01:30:01,860 ... this month. And 1998 01:30:03,370 --> 01:30:03,970 thank you for your 1999 01:30:05,130 --> 01:30:06,050 dedication to doing that. 2000 01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:07,690 All right. 2001 01:30:08,930 --> 01:30:10,350 Late items. Any late items tonight? 2002 01:30:10,510 --> 01:30:11,070 No, sir. 2003 01:30:11,130 --> 01:30:13,930 All right. Comments from the superintendent. Any comments, Steve? 2004 01:30:14,510 --> 01:30:15,010 Just that 2005 01:30:15,930 --> 01:30:18,030 we've had a nice start to the school year. 2006 01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:23,170 It's going really well. We got a lot of positive remarks from the teachers. 2007 01:30:24,570 --> 01:30:27,610 With two new administrators in the district, they 2008 01:30:28,730 --> 01:30:32,450 have hit the ground running. They're getting a lot of positive remarks out from 2009 01:30:32,510 --> 01:30:36,350 those buildings. Mr. Taggart's in the building today, and so 2010 01:30:36,450 --> 01:30:36,590 he 2011 01:30:38,210 --> 01:30:42,140 can comment on that if he wants. I think it's going really 2012 01:30:42,190 --> 01:30:44,770 well. We got a lot of administrators in here tonight. 2013 01:30:46,390 --> 01:30:46,670 So 2014 01:30:47,490 --> 01:30:48,590 we're just really comfortable. 2015 01:30:49,670 --> 01:30:49,890 Can't 2016 01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:53,510 rest on the first two weeks and we have to keep moving. 2017 01:30:54,670 --> 01:30:56,050 Want to thank for people who talked. 2018 01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:56,830 Obviously, 2019 01:30:58,050 --> 01:30:58,110 Mr. 2020 01:30:59,390 --> 01:31:00,330 Carpenter has left, but 2021 01:31:01,950 --> 01:31:05,270 I'm not sure I've been called that many names in a short period of time 2022 01:31:06,030 --> 01:31:06,810 in my career, but 2023 01:31:07,870 --> 01:31:11,670 it's what he feels, and that's why those 2024 01:31:11,710 --> 01:31:13,090 public expressions are important, 2025 01:31:14,090 --> 01:31:16,270 so that people can say what's on their mind. 2026 01:31:16,910 --> 01:31:17,090 So 2027 01:31:18,990 --> 01:31:22,870 we'll just go on with that. Thank Mr. Miller for standing up again and talking. 2028 01:31:23,300 --> 01:31:23,910 Those are always 2029 01:31:24,890 --> 01:31:25,590 nice comments. 2030 01:31:26,650 --> 01:31:28,970 So that's what I have tonight. 2031 01:31:30,050 --> 01:31:30,330 Thank you. 2032 01:31:31,570 --> 01:31:32,490 Any comments from board? 2033 01:31:35,810 --> 01:31:37,830 Okay. Steve, I just want to commend you. 2034 01:31:37,930 --> 01:31:40,700 I'm hearing really good things about what you are doing and what your team has 2035 01:31:40,730 --> 01:31:44,060 done. Great start to the year. I just think it's great 2036 01:31:44,710 --> 01:31:48,470 that things have been smooth so far, and I know there is always 2037 01:31:48,490 --> 01:31:49,620 noise out there and 2038 01:31:50,430 --> 01:31:53,220 please continue to help lead us and make great decisions for this great 2039 01:31:53,220 --> 01:31:53,850 corporation. 2040 01:31:55,990 --> 01:31:56,570 With that, 2041 01:31:58,290 --> 01:32:00,050 there will be no exec session tonight. 2042 01:32:00,710 --> 01:32:04,150 And our next scheduled meeting is Wednesday, September 2043 01:32:04,230 --> 01:32:08,170 16th, beginning at 6:00 PM right here at central office, and it 2044 01:32:08,250 --> 01:32:11,909 is 7:31, and this meeting is adjourned.