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agenda item uh we have uh Dr Aon Hayes
of the University of Kentucky uh she's

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going to share results for the health
tracking

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study um and that is
it you ready great so it's hard to know

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which way to face I want to do both you
and this group um I did not bring slides

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but I do have handout so you can see I
have some you can share you may have to

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share
um and then I have this one we'll get to

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that just a second actually can I have
one back I'm going to need a cheat sheet

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just one thanks all right my name is
Aaron Haynes with an N I know my husband

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gave me a name that everybody screws up
um still love it still love him um I I

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have been doing I am an environmental
health scientist but I'm from Appalachia

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I grew up in rural Ohio in Adams Then
Brown and in Claremont County just along

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the river and all of my work has been
focused on appalachin Ohio and issues

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that residents face um whether it be the
Hazardous Waste incinerator in East

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Liverpool um or the Ferro manganes
refinery in Marietta um and hydraulic

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fracturing came to our attention
compressor

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stations um which has forced me to do a
lot of pivoting um and not just focus on

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one chemical so when the derailment
occurred over a year ago that was the

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hugest pivot uh seeing all of the
potential chemicals uh things that I had

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never studied before um made it a
necessity and my heart was with you as

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soon as we saw the flames and the
burning Dolores Silverthorn um lives in

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Rogers and she's been working with me on
many of these studies uh for now over

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two decades with the studies but East
Liverpool for like 15 years so when one

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of the first things um we decided to do
and I my heart has been with you since

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the beginning and I have honestly not
stopped thinking every day about this

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community and what science what data
things that I could help and bring to

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the table so one of the first things we
did was to launch a survey to start

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tracking health symptoms over time that
was very important that you could

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document uh your experiences and the
symptoms that you have

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immediately after and then longterm
there may be symptoms people may be

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great right now and who knows what
happens later there's a possibility that

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has occurred before in other disaster
scenarios so we want to set something up

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that is longterm for tracking so we
created a logo created the survey very

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briefly um and this is a summary of not
all of the data but these are like the

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highlights so I wanted to have everyone
in the community take this now that did

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not happen of course we only had
380 actually go through and take enough

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of the questions that we can say they've
participated some people signed in and

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then I think they just wanted to see
what we were asking and they GL got out

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so we we struck them from the group but
over half of them live within 2 miles of

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the dur so the majority of the people
live in your community right here I

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think that's important and I summarized
with bullets the key pieces that we're

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noticing and we're working to get this
published peer review scientific

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literature but that takes time and I'm
really honored and glad to be be able to

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share it with you before the years it
might take I don't know how long pubs

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take but um I it's more important to me
that you know this information and can

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start working with it um than it is in
the scientific lit literature so out of

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everyone in the um survey three out of
every four reported experiencing at

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least one new health symptom since the
derailment

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occurred that's quite a few people um
and over half of those indicated that

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those symptoms were upper respiratory
which completely follows what we would

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expect from the chemicals that came from
the burn the burning and the um the fire

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from the derailment
um over 80% this is I think very

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interesting live within one mile so we I
did not bring the map of um the data but

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I'd be glad to share it if you're
interested we are working on it as the

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publication the the concentration of new
symptoms being upper respiratory is much

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higher 80% within a mile and then that
number goes out to about 50% at 55 plus

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miles so it's a nice grade of symptoms
for upper respiratory so it it although

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it's not everyone in the community um I
feel good about the the responses that

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we are getting valid data so all right
I'm going to keep going and I'll tell

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you next steps um we are following so
that we did a second survey and over

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half of them said that their symptoms
were still persistent they still remains

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in the fall so we're going to do it
again in February and my hope you know

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we expect to see them declining that's
the intention that's what

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anticipated um we'll see um we we looked
and screened for stress these are actual

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measures that screen there you know
scientifically validated questions to

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assess uh individual's level of stress
um and stress was very high and it

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continued through the fall and so did
post-traumatic stress disorder screening

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I think that's a really big one um that
it's not a diagnostic PTSD but it's a

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screener and a third of them had those
symptoms so your community um needs more

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than a hug you do need that but you also
need um to take mental health very

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seriously and uh take resources that are
available to you I would really

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encourage that um for everyone for
everyone um we did ask questions about

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bottled water and drinking and half in
the fall still said they relied on

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bottled water so I thought that was
interesting that there was still concern

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about drinking
water and odors were still remaining so

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we continue to follow um we're going to
look at long-term tracking these data

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and more important cly I really want to
expand this out to have more people so

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we're going to start and launch it again
we're going to do a uh version 2.0 and

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um we've been discussing ways to
encourage people to do this survey and

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not not just those who are experiencing
a symptom but even those who aren't so

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that we can we have everybody in this
project and the longer that we will keep

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everyone in this group call it a cohort
so that we can follow and look long term

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at anything related to liver function or
kidney disease you know we really want

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to track you so there's lots of studies
that have tracked people over time like

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the nurse's health study I don't know if
you've heard of that one but it's a

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national study and they tracked nurses
and they followed them they thought uh

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who would be the best at taking surveys
nurses so nurses have been followed

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thousands of them over time and they've
looked at where they live and their

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chemicals and what products they use and
then later life cancer and mental health

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Etc so we're kind of following that
model and we truly want to capture as

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many people as we can so we'll I hope to
announce the launch not ready yet of

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this survey 2.0 the second one and uh
enable abroad like hopefully more people

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and maybe after we'll say the dust has
settled and it's a little quieter more

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people will be interested and inclined
to take this

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so I could pause and say if you have any
questions on this part I'd be glad to

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answer them or I can move on to some
other fun stuff that we did yes will we

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be reaching out to the folks that
participated the first time around or

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would we have to

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re oh yeah those so those who are in are
in and we we well we got you unless you

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say hey stop stop calling me um but we
will always try to reach you um and then

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now we just want new more more
people great

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question so you said um
380 this how many did you kick

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out uh it it was over I was getting
excited over 400 that was sounding

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better but there were some who took
answered maybe one or didn't answer any

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and if we didn't have enough
information we had to draw a line and

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say uh that's really not a participant
so you bottomed out at 380 yeah that's

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our that's our current
number oh no we love we'll take anyone

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we love smokers bring them on I'm a
smoker bring smoker anyone anyone

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actually the eligibility was anyone I we
didn't want to just limit it to the one

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mile or the two we did all of Colombiana
County and then I we said any County

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surrounding colombi County
anyone County great Erin you're eligible

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and and if you're 18 and over and then
that's it live in one of those counties

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and an over 18 we had the limit I didn't
having a child do a survey takes parents

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and then there's more complications and
I will I'm more of I love uh children

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studies but um for this it was a little
complex but we are asking questions

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about kids and how are they responding
and I hope um that would be a great

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study another day but this information
is really important to start saying okay

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where are the key uh things that need to
be further addressed to identify

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research
tracks question um you did the blood

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test yeah okay we know you're going to
talk about that yes and then um are you

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doing any testing with the liver like
can you test the liver for dioxins or no

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no um you can do I'll talk about the
blood yes I'll give you that um but

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there are liver like you can
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normal clinical test would measure a
liver function there are tools for that

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and if you asked your physician to have
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easily do that and if you want advice on
what exactly to ask for we'd be glad to

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give that to you dioxin if you can ask
that dioxin is all right do you ready

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for the blood I think that's a
segue all right so this this one's a

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two-parter so I'm going to ask that you
carefully count the pages and just take

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to I have um this and then there's an
example

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okay all right this has not been shared
before you guys are getting something

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new um we have not published it I'm
working on it um very few media Outlets

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I've shared it because it's like um I
wanted to bring it back to this group

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and before the world this is your data
so there were so many questions about

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dioxin and any other chemicals in the
Der can you measure them in the body and

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it was okay we can help I don't know how
to you know let's figure this out how

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can we do this so um dioxins form um
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create
dioxin um burning trash creates dioxins

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there's also industrial sources it's
when there's carbon in the air and then

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chlorine and wow did you have a perfect
scenario to create dioxid in your airs

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like so it was very scary was like
perfect storm so it was we must measure

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dioxin in the community it was like that
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priorities so I knew EPA was doing soil
so I didn't you know you know waste

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money you don't want to redo what
somebody else is doing um and I the best

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laboratory is the in the U in the US is
the centers uh for Disease Control the

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CDC they have the standard methods I
reached out to them and they were

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absolutely wonderful and said yes we
will do your samples for free they did

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this which is great we invited 20 of our
participants to do the Pilot We

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collected blood and urine and I'll tell
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collected the blood participants had to
give four tubes of whole blood to have

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one measure of serum enough serum to
analyze for dioxin that was a lot so is

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that a typical measure you ask your
doctor for no they don't even know

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really where to send the samples to God
love them but there's no they don't what

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do they do with it how do they collect
it do they use the right equipment you

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know it's very technical it took our
team months to go through the protocol

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learn the method and be able to do this
we're ready now but it took time so the

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CDC had the samples they analyzed them
we got the data back and for that study

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I didn't want dioxy or I didn't want
smoking to interfere at all so we took

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smokers out of the equation so only
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a mile cuz I thought let's invite those
who if if there was dioxin enough that

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we would see it it would be those who
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dment um non-smokers and then obviously
they were over 18 and we wanted to have

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a range a nice mix of males and females
because there's a difference all

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right so I gave you I think the this
summary has a lot of information about

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what they are how people people are
exposed to them um I just wanted you to

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have it because uh it helps to make
sense of what dioxins are and how you

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get exposed everyone in America has the
dioxin level in their body we've all

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been exposed um and normally right now
we get that from eating high fat foods

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meat eggs some fish so it's in our body
no matter what we've got it and the way

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we analyzed it um or gave the data back
were because there's 20 of these dioxins

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that we measured and so you can have all
of them summed up into one value that

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you can then compare to others in the US
so we summed them all up it's called

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called a toxic
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teq I'm glad to have my little cheat
sheet it's the teq and we could compare

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that to uh a large group in the US have
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measured and we could compare in 2010
2011 that had been done and it's called

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the enhan study no

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relation and um we found and I have that
second page is an example of what we

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gave back to one person but I'm happy to
say and I was very relieved a little

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surprised actually but relieved to see
that everyone in all 20 actually there

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were only 18 that we had enough blood
for so 18 of them were within or below

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the comparison value of the United
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yay I what a relief it was a um a a
surprise but a very good

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surprise and you say they were the folks
close yes to Ground Zero pretty they

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were within a
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non-smokers yep and they did they they
had dioxin but no more with they were

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within the range of typical us or
somewhere

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below so it does not mean I want to make
sure we're I you know we translate this

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right uh my guess is there was you know
I you would almost certain chemistry

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there were probably dioxins in the air
but was it enough to ra the to have it

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it was not enough to make it any
different than typical in the

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US so um so a few things that I want to
do next with this is that we compared it

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to 2010 2011 that's the only data we had
that's over a decade old we think dioxin

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levels should be decreasing over time so
as soon as the NY soon as CDC publishes

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their next data I'm we're going to grab
it and we're going to compare and see

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how it compares to more contemporary
values so and then we'll come back and

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write everybody a new letter hopefully
it stays the you know we'll just see all

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right any questions on the diox that was
a I thought that was really big and

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important to do if I missed when was the
blood yeah I did not didn't put that on

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there um I didn't put it on this either
we measured in July July 17 18 19

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somewhere in that time
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July that's when we
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question so would that have been enough
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probably now should we do it on more
people you know we could um this was a

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pilot this was let's try 20 and see um
we actually had enough for 18

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but you know that we could do more um
but I was really glad to see that there

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wasn't anything alarming at this point
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dioxin will you test that same 18 six
months later 18 we could yep so these

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take normally they charge
you they were uh good about letting us

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do or doing this uh without cost so um
money but we can yeah we it could be

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done or I wonder should we do the same
again or should we and or do more people

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maybe people who didn't evacuate and
stay you know there who knows or maybe

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by a certain geography where um maybe
some levels in soil were higher than

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others just to rule it out I think if
that's a question we need to rule it out

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we need to answer it with
data I love doing that any other on the

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blood
dioxin people from the pirate Department

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tested not in our pilot we uh on the
survey we asked them were you um part of

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the emergency response were you a first
responder I don't think any of them

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joined our
survey so let me make that a call out we

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would love to have the First
Responders uh and I when I was thinking

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how can we you know you know how can we
help what what population of course the

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First Responders were top of the list
but I heard there was a study and that

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was kind of like taking care of like a
group was going to work on them I've

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heard I don't know how that's going but
um okay anyway no they answer your

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question okay anything anything else on
the blood dioxin trying to move

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relatively quick but also make sure I
cover it a well all right we also

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collected urine and that's always well
we didn't you they did they did it

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themselves
self-collection and the goal of the self

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the urine was um all of the other
chemicals so there was Vinyl chloride in

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the air there were the
acrylates

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and there were uh people going to labor
and having their Vinyl chloride tested

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and it was I'm seeing it in the news and
I was reading the the newspapers and the

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message was I have it in my body what do
I do and it was like what are they and

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for me I was like what are what is that
lab measuring because there's not to to

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our knowledge there is no good
measure of these chemicals metabolizing

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and then measuring it in your urine so
whenever you inhale or exposed to

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chemicals they they are processed just
like your food chemicals are processed

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and those little processed pieces are
called metabolites so when you urinate

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you have lots of metabolites in your
body drug screen for instance that's an

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easy one those are metabolites of
chemicals coine in you can see if

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someone's a smoker if your kid smok
random urine test but you can measure

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those metabolites in urine so there is
currently no offthe shelf method for an

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anzing any of these metabolites and I
think that was the reason that the state

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the feds did not collect and analyze
because they the method wasn't readily

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available but that didn't sit with me a
research well let's find one and I

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there's a lab at Wayne
State you have friends in other places

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and Wayne State um in Detroit uh she's a
wonderful chemist her name's Judy westr

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and she said I'm going to do this I can
figure this out and her and her team so

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they have been working on figuring out
the best metabolites for vinyl chloride

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acryline acrylates Etc I don't have that
data to share because she is she um you

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know we sent it in she had a lab person
that lab person then left her lab so

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then she had someone else pick it up
who's now done it twice and now this is

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number fourth time and I hope this one
works so she's developing them and I as

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soon as we have that data I would love
to share it with you so I because it's

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really important and again these were
same they were collected in

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July um and because these are new
methods we reached out to I mentioned

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that I work in Marietta Ohio and we had
a call out for them would you give

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urance so we can compare
to East Palestine residents and they

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volunteered and did that so we have
maretta also is a comparison for you to

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see what the differences are so I'm
excited to look at that when we have

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it okay that's the year and there's not
a lot of excitement you know um data but

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it's a process different group than the
18 for the blood same same but we had we

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had more urine because everybody well
yeah everybody could give a sample there

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in Marietta we there was a one guy who
couldn't she just I was like drink

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more she wait nope anyway so just yes
please Trent yes all these people to get

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on national television and say how
horrible our town is and all this and

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say that they have monochloride in their
urine it's impossible for them to know

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whether it's binoc chloride in their
urine or anything because there is no

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actual test to test any V so let me let
me address that one I wish I had so

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there's a a a pathway of
metabolites uh for vinylchloride and one

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of the one of them at the very end of
the pathway was the one that lab core is

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measuring now un
unfortunately this chemical can also be

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found from other

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exposures it's not specific to vinyl
chloride is it from Vinyl chloride could

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be but it could also have been from
other things darn it so if a if a survey

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had been given to those individuals at
the time of collection that helped to

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rule out other things that would have
been great but to my knowledge that

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wasn't done and my second question is
there's a lot of talk about dioxins that

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they do these tests and one group does
them and they're within normal range and

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the other group does them and they're
39,46 times higher than that those

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dioxins may be in the ground but as far
as your study yeah that you don't see

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any RIS in human dioxin levels in this
town from the people you studied I know

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it's not everybody yeah okay so yeah I
am not we did not see anything we saw

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dioxin in the body we saw it but it was
within the US typical wrench thank you

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yes appreciate it question
um these people with the respiratory

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issues and that sort of were
self-reported yeah all of them y was

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there any Baseline like for example if
they've seen an allergist or

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colonologist or if they're seeing one
now so was there any any way to

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medically yeah help those people and
identify that this has been there yep or

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this is that's a very good question and
we we grappled with that like we don't

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you you weren't studied Baseline not
everyone no one had a pulmonary function

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test the week before the
Duram you didn't have your dioxin

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measured the week before the dment we
don't unfortunately we don't have that

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but we phrased the question in a way it
was all caps new neew do you have any

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new symptoms so and we are also asking a
medical history and we hope to see any

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of those new symptoms decrease the
reason I'm asking a lot of people in the

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in the surrounding area see an allergist
on a fairly routined basis so we're just

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asking we know what we're not saying
people are having issues but what are we

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looking at and how do people get yeah
that's the case I yes and we do want

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people um to get help I don't we asked
the question in such a way that it was

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new you know I I'm not taking their
survey but um that we tried to phrase it

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in a way that it wasn't your normal
asthma anything new but it was

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self-report all of it was self yeah the
survey is 100%

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self-report is that the best know it's
better to go to a physician and have

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them or a health care provider and have
them actually give a lung function test

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and I wish all everyone should have had
a long function test or be followed to

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see if there had was long impacts and
then are those get do they get better do

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they get worse you know what's the
outcome but I I recommend Long Function

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testing as your 18 people that went
through the dioxin process several of

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those people have indicated to me that
they're very interested in going to the

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next step just because they thought it
was great to have a baseline yeah they

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were pleased with their results but they
plan to do a followup so hopefully they

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will see you and I hope we can have the
funds to do another followup to do that

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I think that would be excellent and to
do more people I have one more piece of

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information to share if that's if time
allows and that we did some air sampling

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indoor air uh I it's been another so
anytime there's a Hot Topic or a

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question I I know EPA has their thing
and they're doing it but they're not

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filling all the questions that I'm
hearing so indoor air was important

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right that's at least what I
heard so we figured out uh let's um

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let's do something so we recruited a
different group of people to

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um place a it's a little badge a VOC
badge in their in in their home uh for a

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whole week and it would measure uh all
voc's so it's a start it's something

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that's normally used by in an
occupational setting so someone um at a

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work location where there might be
exposures and then they could um either

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test it on them as an individual are in
their workspace so we use these in

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residences
um and I've not shared the data back

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with the individuals yet and I need to
um but I I'm encouraged to share it with

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you here because I'm here took five
hours to get here I might as well give

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it to you so um we analyze them for and
I this is again we sent them to um that

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wonderful colleague at Wayne State Judy
westrik she them for AC the acrylates

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and then beex which is commonly found in
gasoline they are just typical

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voc's typically from like diesel or you
would um at a gas station you're going

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to have beex exposure you can smell it
right that sweet smell my daughter loves

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it I'm like ah stop breathing it get
back in the

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car um and then uh the lab was able to
do um solvents so they threw those in as

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a
bonus so I was most interested in the

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two acrylates that were related to the
dment and I'm very you know I can give

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you the summary none of the homes that
we um had them in for a week and this

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was in the fall I believe October
September Misty thank you it was in

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September um none of the homes had acry
lies I thought that was very good

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there were two homes out of the 15 that
we did that

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had levels that were um uncommonly high
for BCS which meant there's there's some

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sort of
gasoline um exposure in their household

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so I'm going to we're going to I'm going
to do some phone calls with them and try

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to investigate that a little bit um it
could be that and so these chemicals

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beex they can cause uh dizziness
headache

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rashes and there was a lot of truck
traffic going on and during an evacu

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when you're leaving your home and if a
home is

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closed there the air stays in and it can
raise the levels of any you know it just

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circulates indoors and stays but when
your house is open the windows it flows

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more and the air is better in indoors so
one of the homes um we know had they had

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evacuated and had returned about a month
before we sampled and they had the

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highest value so it made me it makes me
just question there's lots of things it

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could be it could be a gas tank or
something but Benzene wasn't high but

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just one of those BX measures so it
makes me wonder if there was if it was

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because the house was closed or what was
it so I'm still investigating that piece

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and I think um we are we should probably
do more with indoor air just because

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there were two with a 15 that had um
unusual beex that shouldn't be in a

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house not typically in every you know
every home has some beex you're going to

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get a measure but not at these levels so
I do want to go back and we're going to

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offer them to have a second test with us
just to see if it's changed since

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September but I wanted to give you the
no acolytes in the air of those homes

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which is
good one other thing I'd like to clarify

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okay bring it you are totally
independent you work for the village

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right please explain how you you're
doing this to help our community yeah

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you really didn't work with anybody no
Village Administration you worked with

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Misty we thank you for that but I just
want to clarify that you don't you're on

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either side you're totally independent
so yeah my funding I I came into it I I

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think I tried to reach out Dolores knew
your mom or hairdresser or something I

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was like I apologize your mom she knew a
mom my mom in that time and I got yelled

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after that
too I thought I had an in I thought I

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was like okay I didn't I am not funded
by The Village or I'm no nobody funds me

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except I use my own money in the
University when you move I'm in Ohio so

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I was in Cincinnati I went to Kentucky
they gave you a startup package I Ed

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some of that but I also um uh applied we
have an internal source but it's from

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niehs they have a center so we have a
great Environmental Health Sciences

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Center at UK um I'm now the interim
director of that Center but I applied to

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a pilot um and it was $50,000 so it's
helping to cover the cost of our travel

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here and the analysis and um SE the
dioxin so that's been great and that was

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just for one year I just want to add to
that too I was pulling on Aaron's

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heartstrings I'm not going to lie I was
sending her pictures from my house of

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the and everything going on so I just
want to clarify that because everybody

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says oh no that's because you're with
that ask I'm you're with somebody I just

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want to clarify that you are totally
independent yeah we've never met I'm

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not
time yes can you speak to the Silicon

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wristband oh yeah so we did those also
um and I and we did so many things and

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I'm like when I look back and think of
all the items but there were so many

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questions and we had I don't honestly I
don't feel like it was enough I feel

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like this the community needed more than
what we did but another thing that we

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did um there's a lab at Duke University
that can

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analyze um they you uh they clean them
first so that's a clean sample but you

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know like the Liv strong wristbands
silicone wristbands so they cleaned them

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they sent them to me and then we asked
residents about 85 people who are in our

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survey to wear them for a week and they
wore the wristband and they are still at

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Duke being analyzed but because Judy's
lab was doing all these super fun things

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with acrylates and Vino chloride and
stuff we asked okay can you cut the

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wristband you need all of it Duke and
they said no we don't need all of it so

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they're cutting The Wristband half of
it's going to go to Wayne State so we

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get more out of that data so I don't
have that yet but I will bring that to

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you as soon as we get it and that
includes measures of uh

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posos and P's so any
burning um chemicals would be there

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they've used them on firefighters before
which is cool so I have that as a

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comparison um now the day oh you know
how research goes it's never perfect

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it's never perfect but the day we got
the wristbands we got them on everyone

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everyone time to consent form we wake up
the next morning and it's all

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cloudy new the firef Wildfire smoke
coming from uh Canada that day a great

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well it became a wildfire study that day
on our wrist V we will see Wildfire

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00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:24,119
smoke on that wrist V that'll be
interesting but maybe we'll you know

408
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:29,400
we'll see other things um I'm looking
forward to that

409
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:36,480
data that was all that we've done so far
yes hi this is a big one how about the

410
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,480
potential synergistic

411
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:46,440
impact that's a yeah I ask that question
all the time um Even in our work I how

412
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:51,599
so you weren't exposed to just one thing
um clearly not many chemicals in the

413
00:37:48,839 --> 00:37:56,200
environment our tests can do some things
in urine some things in Blood and then

414
00:37:54,319 --> 00:38:01,880
being able to put it all together is
really important and I have had um

415
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,599
residents inform me about like all right
when how to give the data back and if it

416
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:10,680
wasn't for the community advis the
advisor advice we wouldn't have these

417
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:15,560
beautiful blood dioxin result letters
because I I had feedback on how to write

418
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:20,839
those from the locals um what would make
sense what wouldn't

419
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:25,760
um but to answer that question it's very
challenging to put it all together but

420
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:30,000
the advice was let's just wait until you
have all of the information and then we

421
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:35,000
can present it as one but that urine was
taking way too long it was just dragging

422
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:40,280
on and I thought let's just get this out
you need it soon um it's a great

423
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:45,800
question uh science is still trying to
catch up to what we all know is a good

424
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:52,599
there's very little testing at chemical
combination yeah and that's yep and it's

425
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:58,760
very hard to statistically analyze that
right because they all have different uh

426
00:38:56,599 --> 00:39:03,960
um every time you measure in a different
body part of your whether hair toenails

427
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:07,920
blood anything teeth I've collected all
of these on people and someone's like

428
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:11,720
well can't you put it all together what
does it

429
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:15,880
mean just because it's in your tooth how
does that compare to your hair I don't

430
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:21,040
know so these are all great questions
and I um we have societies and Science

431
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:25,240
and people are trying to look into it
but um we don't have it yet as a field

432
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,960
as a
science good question now yeah now you

433
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:34,319
say you'd like to expand your study but
there's no

434
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:40,280
money um I'll talk about money state in
the federal government what can we do to

435
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:45,240
help well yes up that would be great
just so this group knows the I don't

436
00:39:42,359 --> 00:39:48,560
know if you've been aware but um the
National Institute of Environmental

437
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:53,720
Health Sciences the one that I do have a
pilot from our Center through they are

438
00:39:51,359 --> 00:40:01,319
from they're one of the Institutes of
NIH so niehs is planning to fund

439
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:06,000
multiple um research
studies um Beyond myself so there will

440
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,000
be an
announcement

441
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:19,359
shortly about who and what they're going
to do the encouragement is that they all

442
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:24,560
collaborate so you're not randomly hit
by investigators and you don't

443
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:30,040
know which Ser what to do I I really
want to make sure it's uh harmonized

444
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:34,079
I have a question yeah getting back to
you mentioned the urine study again yes

445
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:40,079
with
the polyvinyl chlorides in the urine

446
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:45,280
could there be a link I know your one
reported said that there was a uh

447
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:49,599
increase in bottled water consumption
there was previously did the

448
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:55,800
microplastics from the from the bottles
themselves have any impact on that um so

449
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:59,480
for the vinyl chloride metabolite I
don't think so but that's a good

450
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:03,280
question that's good one of the things
is with with these bottles sitting out

451
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:07,160
in the sun all the time yeah you're
going to get some chemical leeching from

452
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:12,599
the bottle itself I'm just wondering if
that has any impact on the

453
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:17,680
study um we can certainly it's hard with
a population of what 20 that we have but

454
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:21,560
we do know who's drinking bottled water
and who's not but if that's the case

455
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:28,040
don't we all drink bottled water and
Pepsi and soda um yeah there's other

456
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:34,640
chemicals in the plastic too that come
out so but I still do it I mean it's

457
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:40,280
just so darn common I wish we didn't
have the bottles but you know part of

458
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:43,800
our life are will you be available for
questions after absolutely I'm sure you

459
00:41:42,319 --> 00:41:48,560
want to move on well we have another
presentation to great I greatly

460
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:52,119
appreciate you making the drive up here
I'm happy too thank you very much for

461
00:41:50,839 --> 00:41:56,750
letting me come and I'd be glad to come
back and give you more as we get it

462
00:41:54,319 --> 00:42:04,640
thank you very much
[Applause]

463
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:10,680
all right next we have uh NS and the EPA
cleanup status update and future

464
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:14,400
projects thank you so hello everybody
I've got some slides here but a lot of

465
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:17,400
the slides are on these posters here so
maybe you guys can see these while they

466
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:23,240
can see those we'll we'll play it by
here but my name's Andy Maguire I'm with

467
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:28,800
the US EPA Region
5 um a lot of you probably don't know my

468
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:32,640
name um you know you're probably
expecting Mark

469
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:37,040
dno um because he's talked to you all a
lot over the course of this last year

470
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:41,640
I've been here quite a bit um however
but my role is more of direct oversight

471
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:45,400
of Northfolk Southern doing operations
out in the field so I'm if you see me

472
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:50,760
around town I'm usually got a hard hat
and a yellow vest on um so we're g to

473
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:57,079
talk
today about mainly the results of a a

474
00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:03,720
qualitative um what we call a
qualitative Sheen survey that we did

475
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:07,839
last November in Sulfur and Leslie
run and then after we talk about that

476
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:12,240
we're going to talk about uh some
upcoming work that we're going to do in

477
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:16,280
The Creeks to to clean up do some more
Cleanup in The

478
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,720
Creeks so forgive me here while I get my
slides

479
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,960
up all

480
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:28,079
right

481
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:39,319
all right showing up so this this slide
here you all can't see it but it's

482
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:43,520
pretty generic um it just shows the
spill pathway from the derailment right

483
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:49,880
it's just pinpointing on a map where the
dment happened how the contamination ran

484
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:56,119
along the ditches and sulfur run and
then beyond down into into um Leslie run

485
00:43:53,520 --> 00:44:01,280
and what we did you can see it on the it
it's kind of mirrors the maps that you

486
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:07,200
see on the boards the sheen survey was
done every 25 ft so each little point

487
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:11,280
there that you you know that looks like
they're all stacked together it's

488
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:18,040
actually individual points about 25 ft
apart

489
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:25,000
and every 25 ft we went in and agitated
the sediment to see if a Sheen popped up

490
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:29,440
a discoloration or a Sheen of the
water

491
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:33,440
um you can see on the map on the far
left there it's all Sheen observations

492
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:41,079
so you can see there was plenty of Sheen
that we found along the

493
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:44,640
Creeks the photo on the left is how we
scored the sheen right so there's

494
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:49,520
various types of Sheen there could have
been no Sheen there could have been a

495
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:52,079
light Sheen and you when when we're done
you can get up or if you want to get up

496
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:57,520
and take a look at the photos a little
closer you can see kind of generically

497
00:44:54,839 --> 00:45:03,079
how we scored them between light Sheen
no Sheen light sheen what we call medium

498
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:08,280
Sheen or heavy
Sheen and this you can see all Sheen the

499
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:13,240
next and there's the photos for you guys
so you can see so you can kind of see

500
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:18,079
and the boards you can see it a lot
better so after the after the meeting

501
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:22,280
you can take a look but um this is just
kind of how we scored it right as we

502
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:24,480
went out there and did our agitation in
our

503
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:32,839
survey
so the next board to your right it's

504
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:37,520
where we did not see any Sheen so those
were locations along the creeks and the

505
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:42,119
waterways where we did not see any
Sheen and this this is the same thing

506
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,119
that's over

507
00:45:42,839 --> 00:45:51,880
there next is where we saw medium Sheen
so you could see or did that was that

508
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:58,040
light Sheen my bad
whoops anyway so light Sheen is here so

509
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:02,240
we saw a lot of light Sheen right and I
the kind of the general progress is

510
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,720
there was more light Sheen than there
was medium Sheen there was more medium

511
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:10,599
Sheen than there was Heavy Sheen so this
is where we saw our medium Sheen along

512
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:14,160
the
Waterway and then Chris you want to take

513
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:20,480
that one
off and then these are the locations

514
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,480
where we saw heavy

515
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,800
Sheen

516
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:36,079
so you could see as you would imagine
you know in November you know several

517
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:39,319
months after the drillman the sheen was
you know we saw more light Sheen than we

518
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:42,800
did Heavy
Sheen um in

519
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:53,280
November we put some bar graphs or some
you know Circle graphs up here you can

520
00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:59,280
see them on the on the photos there just
just marks out overall what our Sheen

521
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:02,520
count was right for the over 800 points
that we took um you could see it up

522
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:07,599
close a little bit more but you could
see it you know bra there's much more

523
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:10,200
heavy Sheen or much less heavy Sheen
than there was light

524
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:17,240
Sheen and this one is just for sulfur
run with the

525
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:23,880
counts and Leslie
run we also did background so we went

526
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:29,920
Upstream of where the contamination went
into the creeks and tested that as well

527
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:34,119
and I know you can't see this but there
was only four locations in those

528
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:38,280
background up Upstream locations that we
saw just light Sheen we didn't see any

529
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,760
medium Sheen or any heavy Sheen most of
it was no

530
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:50,400
Sheen this we don't have a f we don't
have a board for this but this is just a

531
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:55,520
location of of where we sampled the
sheen so some of those locations we

532
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:59,040
actually took samples to analyze uh what
what in the sheen right you mentioned

533
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:03,960
betex right that's something we're
looking for um or the you know the

534
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:07,720
acrylates the Fino chloride other things
that were released as part of the

535
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:17,319
derailment so one thing that just came
out today and there's no board for this

536
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:23,400
um is a public viewer where you can
actually go online and look at that

537
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:27,680
assessment that we did um it's going to
look a little different than these Maps

538
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:31,559
here there some public there's some uh
privacy concerns right A lot of these

539
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:36,040
Creek the creek bed is public prop or
private property so we took some

540
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:40,160
Liberties and kind of generalized it a
little bit but you can still go into

541
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:45,880
different sections of the creeks and see
where the sheen was was was identified

542
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:51,440
and I think we're going to probably get
this link in our newsletter that I think

543
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:55,599
should be coming out this week um so
yeah so the link will be on that the

544
00:48:52,799 --> 00:49:00,359
Link's here it's long so you probably
might be able to write it down I did try

545
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:04,440
Googling it before I came here and it
Google doesn't know it's there yet so

546
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:08,000
just look for it in the newsletter and
I'm sure you know we'll try I was ask

547
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:12,920
you share yeah we'll share with you
we'll certainly get the link out make

548
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:16,839
sure it's in the newsletters this
week but again yeah it'll just be more

549
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:21,400
interactive there'll be some good
information on there to to you know help

550
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:27,520
you walk through the viewer there's
photos as well you can scroll through

551
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,520
photos on the viewer as well

552
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:37,359
all right so that was kind of our that
was our qualitative assessment of the

553
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:43,000
sheen any questions on that yeah wasn't
this information the same thing we put

554
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:48,280
on the epa's mailing a while back said
Sheen generalization percentage Yeah so

555
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:52,319
there's been some assess Sheen
assessments done throughout the

556
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:56,680
throughout the project I'm highlighting
one where we did it in a much more

557
00:49:54,240 --> 00:50:02,079
granular fashion where we did it every
25 feet um but yes there has been you

558
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:06,599
know information put out in the
newsletters throughout the throughout

559
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:13,119
the pro the derailment that that
highlighted some of where we saw Sheen

560
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:17,359
now not to se silly or stupid about it
how did you do the sheen assessment did

561
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:22,160
you go Downstream and work your way back
up because you start poking holes keep

562
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:26,200
on going you're exactly right we went
downstream and worked our way up y so

563
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:31,880
the downstream would have been less
obvious and as you went up more then you

564
00:50:28,839 --> 00:50:37,079
had more of a chance of seeing she or
props yeah

565
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:40,960
yeah any other questions before I move
on to the cleanup can you describe how

566
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:45,880
you did the agitation did you just stick
a stick in and just move around did you

567
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:51,000
get on six in or no it was I mean it's
lit a shovel or a pole and you just kind

568
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:54,440
of work to you know look for Sheen down
in Leslie run there's a lot of rocks a

569
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,920
lot of rock and a lot of the sheen can
get caught underneath the Rock rocks so

570
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:03,400
kicking up rocks things like that trying
to liberate the sheen as we're looking

571
00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:07,359
for it and and while we're doing this
immediately Downstream we have we have

572
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:11,960
containment right we don't want to let
the sheen continue on Downstream so as

573
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:15,839
we're doing it we're also containing and
collecting the the any Sheen that might

574
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:20,960
pop
up any other questions on the survey y

575
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:26,040
um did any of the folks who were
performing this work have any health

576
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:31,799
impacts I mean we hear stories of Cree
Rangers out there poking around in there

577
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:35,720
and then they suffer for a good bit of
time afterwards did you find any of that

578
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:41,400
with the folks who were performing this
study we did not we did not we also had

579
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:45,640
air monitoring going on while the while
they were in The Creeks you know testing

580
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:51,839
to see make sure the air was okay but no
to answer your question no nothing Chris

581
00:51:47,799 --> 00:51:51,839
did you ever hear anything sing

582
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:57,359
yeah not for this
no

583
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:13,240
yeah yeah is there any way to tell
whether this is a legacy issue or

584
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:17,400
whether um possibly uh that was not part
of this though this we're not trying to

585
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:21,839
determine if it was Legacy or derailment
related for this qualitative but there

586
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:25,960
you know we took samples right and
actually we're continuing to take

587
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:33,880
samples um to help try and ID identify
if it potentially is Legacy or

588
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:40,079
not yeah how does this Sheen VAR from
sheets in parking lots I've been up at

589
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:47,680
the bardman mall and it's been raining
there's puddles with Sheen right how is

590
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:52,359
that uh it's it's hard to say I mean
petroleum Sheen in general right can be

591
00:52:50,839 --> 00:52:56,559
kind of a rainbow right that's probably
what you're seeing in a parking lot it

592
00:52:54,280 --> 00:53:01,160
can be like that we we've seen that it
also tends to as it breaks up you know

593
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:06,040
come back together right because there's
biological Sheen too from De decomposing

594
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:10,480
leaves that are in the water things like
that it acts differently and so the ex

595
00:53:08,359 --> 00:53:16,359
the ex we have experts out here when
they do the sheen to help determine if

596
00:53:12,359 --> 00:53:21,839
it's a if it's a petroleum oil sheen or
like a biological Sheen so and it may or

597
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:25,880
may not you know be rainbow it could be
you know dark in color too it could

598
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:29,559
depend on how what type of oil it is
right so yeah but there's experts out

599
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:34,520
there who are trained to know what the
sheen looks like to make sure it's not a

600
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:41,359
biological Sheen just from a you know
natural decomposition of of uh organic

601
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,359
matter something like

602
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:50,960
that any other questions on the sheen
before I move

603
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:50,960
to upcoming cleanup work yeah

604
00:53:54,160 --> 00:54:01,119
you
that that still be so there are some

605
00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:04,720
results out there I'm not I I'm not
prepared to talk about exactly what and

606
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:10,319
where but there are some results out
there um those be released in public

607
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:14,720
yeah they may already be I'm not 100%
sure um but yeah certainly they'll be

608
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:20,960
released to the public
yeah yeah I

609
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,960
got

610
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:28,160
questions did they give me the link
already suppos to be supposed to be able

611
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:28,160
to check

612
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:36,720
everywhere yeah and it may not be in a
viewer like this easily to digest it

613
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:40,520
might be in like a report unfortunately
you know there there's we have a lot of

614
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:45,559
data out there and it's in various
formats you know what I mean uh so it

615
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:50,280
made you know this is this was set up
strictly to look at the sheen but I you

616
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:54,599
know there's likely it's probably in
some report unfortunately out there

617
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:59,280
that's you know buried somewhere else
but

618
00:54:56,359 --> 00:55:06,799
any other Sheen before I move to the
cleanup upcoming cleanup work all right

619
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:10,400
so as part of this Sheen survey right um
we developed a work plan well we're

620
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:15,960
still developing a work plan finalizing
a work plan to go to some of these areas

621
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:21,920
right where we're seeing the the mediums
the heavy Sheen right and go take some

622
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:26,559
action to clean it up
right

623
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:29,799
and you know as we talk about what as I
we'll get into what we're going to do

624
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:33,480
just I just wanted to touch on some of
the and you guys can't see this I

625
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:39,599
apologize but I'll read through
it talk about some of the previous work

626
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:43,680
right that has happened over the last
year one of the one of the things we've

627
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:48,680
done to clean up the
Creeks um over the past year is a couple

628
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:53,480
different rounds what we call flushing
the creek

629
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:59,359
creeks and what that is it's a use of a
low pressure high volume amounts of

630
00:55:55,799 --> 00:56:05,000
water right just to try and mobilize
some of the contamination that's stuck

631
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:11,240
under maybe rocks or you know debris
that's in the in the in the

632
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:15,839
Creeks um and then again we have that
containment just immediately Downstream

633
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:19,960
as as we you know release the
contamination from where it's stuck to

634
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:23,240
capture it Downstream so it doesn't go
any

635
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:26,240
further so that's one thing that's been
done a few times over the course of the

636
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:32,880
last
year um also done another thing called

637
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:37,680
air knifing and what that is it's you
know using a pole with compressed air

638
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:42,319
sticking it into the sediments of the
creek to try and again mobilize that

639
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:49,000
contamination and collect it immediately
Downstream so that was done twice three

640
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:54,240
times several times yeah last summer was
mainly when that happened last

641
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:57,880
summer um and again you know you ask
about exposure right we're doing air

642
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,440
monitoring so we do air monitoring
whenever we're doing any of these

643
00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:05,559
activities down in the creek we've got
air monitoring going on to make sure the

644
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:09,599
workers and the public we also have when
we're doing these activities we have air

645
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:14,440
monitoring outside of the creek in the
in the neighborhoods to make sure that

646
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:20,000
if it's you know creating an air issue
we're going to know right and be able to

647
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:24,960
report stop work or report out if
there's an

648
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:31,920
issue um and then another thing we did
in late 2023 last year was Culvert

649
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:36,640
sediment removal so the various culverts
that sulfur run crosses through town

650
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:41,880
right we're sitting on one right now on
top of one right now

651
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:48,160
um actually went into all not all of
them most of them um from the derailment

652
00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:53,400
site down um and just removed all the
sediment from out of the culverts um

653
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:57,319
didn't do the washing I mean there was
washing done over time through the culs

654
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:03,599
but this this operation was to just
remove the sediments and debris from the

655
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:07,799
culverts um I'll mention one and it's
going to be mentioned in the upcoming

656
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:12,119
work um it's a the longest covert
through town kind of goes there from uh

657
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:18,839
the James
Crossing at the rail at the rail at the

658
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:23,839
main lines over to well just behind the
family assistance center and kind of

659
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:29,880
crosses tager right there um there was
some health and safety concerns um with

660
00:58:26,839 --> 00:58:35,400
that long stretch of Culvert to to do
the full removal but we're going to

661
00:58:33,079 --> 00:58:39,920
revisit it right we're going to try and
you know put our heads together figure

662
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:44,839
out a safe way to do some of the removal
of the sediments and that CT in the

663
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,839
upcoming

664
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:50,599
work all right so again you can't read
this but I'll read through or you can't

665
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:56,640
see this in the back but I'll read
through it this is our upcoming work so

666
00:58:54,960 --> 00:59:02,039
I mentioned it's based on that stream
assessment I went through that that uh

667
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:07,520
Sheen assessment I went through
um we're going to Target areas with that

668
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:11,480
medium and heavy Sheen
um and as well as well as that 800 foot

669
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:19,720
long
culbert um we're going to evaluate other

670
00:59:15,319 --> 00:59:24,440
tactics I mentioned um washing air
knifing right we're going to after doing

671
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:29,839
a couple rounds of that over the last
year we're going to evaluate other

672
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:34,839
things to do maybe excavation right
using shovels you know things like that

673
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:37,880
we're going to evaluate those areas
probably with the heavy sheens and see

674
00:59:36,359 --> 00:59:43,480
if there's another thing we can do to
help you know clean out that

675
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,480
contamination

676
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:49,240
um the locations are going to be
evaluated site specifically right so we

677
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:53,000
know where the heavy Sheen is we're
going to go to those locations we're

678
00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:58,599
going to bring experts stakeholders like
Ohio EPA and come evaluate it together

679
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:03,280
and come up with a tactic to remove the
contamination so like I said it could be

680
01:00:00,839 --> 01:00:07,160
a a Litany of different things but we're
going to focus on those areas and come

681
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:10,359
up on a sight specific tactic to get rid
of the

682
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:16,200
contamination
um after we're done after we do a round

683
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:19,359
of of a cleanup we're going to go back
and do another Sheen assessment right

684
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:24,960
we're going to do the same thing we did
before see if it worked right make sure

685
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:27,839
we got it all and if we didn't we'll do
the same thing again we'll just keep

686
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,160
doing it until we can get that Creek
cleaned

687
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:39,240
out and again um anything we do in there
we'll have we'll have containment down

688
01:00:37,799 --> 01:00:42,799
immediately Downstream and make sure
we're collecting it so it doesn't go

689
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:47,839
further
Downstream

690
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:54,640
so I think that's all I have questions
on cleanup or anything would this be

691
01:00:50,640 --> 01:01:00,960
funded by state EPA or federal EPA so
it's funded by Northfolk Southern okay

692
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:05,319
but we do direct oversight Ohio EPA US
EPA we're there every step of the way

693
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:12,039
like I said we're evaluating we're
helping um on what tactic to pick right

694
01:01:09,319 --> 01:01:15,880
what we think will work um all that but
it's all funded by North folk

695
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:24,680
southern any other questions on
cleanup yeah what uh with all the

696
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:29,319
assessments and checking everything
thing what impact does this had on the

697
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:35,559
Aquatic floor and FAA in the streams
themselves well I'm going to look at

698
01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:43,960
Bill Bill zsky our friendly Ohio EPA
stream expert and maybe he can expand on

699
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:48,200
that sure so oh um we've done a couple
of biologic surveys like we talked about

700
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:53,559
in
2022 we did a complete survey of Little

701
01:01:50,680 --> 01:02:01,520
Beaver Creek so we have as fresh of
information as we we will in

702
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:05,640
2023 uh a biologic survey was done of
the flow path so the map you folks

703
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:10,960
couldn't see but the flow path down into
a little Beaver Creek biologic stations

704
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:19,240
were done there what we know and and
this is the amazing thing is

705
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:25,520
2022 Leslie run was meeting Ohio epa's
biologic standards sulfur run has been

706
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:29,799
so impacted by what we're stand the
culting that it doesn't have biologic

707
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:37,440
expectations cuz that's not fair for
that Creek but we we'll go there was a

708
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:42,119
complete fish kill in in the spill so
we're going to say without even arguing

709
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:48,839
everything that was a fish in that Creek
was dead in 6

710
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:55,200
months it scored higher than it did in
20122 that that's a testament to Mother

711
01:02:52,319 --> 01:03:00,559
Nature's resilience and the fact that
had we done this in

712
01:02:56,839 --> 01:03:04,480
1985 this Creek Leslie was on par with
the kyoga and the Mahoning River in the

713
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:09,400
worst of their that's how bad this
stream was impacted that it could

714
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:14,279
recover that quickly is amazing the site
we wanted to do the most was the one

715
01:03:11,559 --> 01:03:19,319
immediately Downstream where the bridge
was replaced this summer and when they

716
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:26,520
dropped that bridge they screwed up
everything for us to do a bi biologic

717
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:32,000
survey um the bug we do fish and bugs
the bugs we did at Negley because again

718
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:38,920
we couldn't get Downstream and it scored
higher than it did in 2022 so I'm pretty

719
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:43,520
comfortable that biologically we have
complete recovery we're doing biology

720
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:50,520
again this year just to confirm that
that's the trend so there you have it

721
01:03:47,319 --> 01:03:53,480
and one of the I I didn't mention one of
the potential tactics right I talked

722
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:57,400
about we're all going to meet at these
different locations and come up with a

723
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:59,720
cleanup tactic well at some point you
know we're going to have folks well

724
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:04,839
we're going to have folks like Bill
there to tell us yeah I don't want you

725
01:04:03,279 --> 01:04:11,279
doing anything here because it's going
to cause more of an environmental impact

726
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:14,799
than cleaning out the sheen right so
that's that's part of the that's part

727
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:20,640
that's a potential tactic we can use is
what we could is doing an evaluation is

728
01:04:17,799 --> 01:04:25,039
are we doing more harm than good and
then that would turn into what we call a

729
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:30,039
monitor natural attenuation of of the of
the contamination so yeah so I mean

730
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:36,200
that's why we're all there together all
the heads stakeholders experts cleanup

731
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:40,799
experts deciding what to do on site
specific basis because there's areas LLY

732
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:45,000
run where yeah we don't want to it's
it's looking healthy we don't want to

733
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:50,880
make it worse by doing some sort of you
know aggressive removal tactic or

734
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:55,640
something like that in the creek so yeah
do you imagine that the reason that it

735
01:04:53,400 --> 01:05:00,039
bounced back so was because of cleanup
efforts that might have washed out

736
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:04,520
contaminants from before the derailment
as well or is there some sort of

737
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:10,680
explanation for that yeah I think
there's a great explanation one mother

738
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:16,440
nature's resilient and two in spite of
everything that happened the creek

739
01:05:12,279 --> 01:05:22,200
viewed this as a spill this was an event
that within a day or two was contained

740
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:26,920
as far as the discharge so this was a
discrete event and then the streams are

741
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:32,279
able to respond to that and if we go
back to the 80s where every day there

742
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:37,640
were discharges from sulfur run from the
Wastewater Plant pounding on that stream

743
01:05:34,839 --> 01:05:43,119
it never had the chance to recover so
this was an event and it was able to

744
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:45,359
recover and that's why it was contained
and

745
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:51,680
controlled anything else any other

746
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:56,079
questions all right

747
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:07,880
[Applause]
right so Dr Ann Haynes Andy Bill uh your

748
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:12,480
guys are tough acts to follow so I'm
Chris huner I'm with norfol Southern uh

749
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:15,760
railroad uh from the environmental en
excuse me environmental operations um

750
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:19,240
I'm leading the environmental cleanup
here so I know there was a question you

751
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:23,559
guys want to know you know next steps
where we are and I was going to talk

752
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:26,640
about that a little bit here um a lot of
things are happening a lot of next steps

753
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:30,760
are happening but uh what we're talking
about right now is is a real positive

754
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:36,920
one it's a real good one in the process
and the progress of the site here um

755
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:40,240
when the event happened you know we had
the incident very early on we made the

756
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:44,119
decision we are collecting all the water
that's flowing across the site uh you

757
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:49,000
know we had the spill it went
downstream uh the areas that could have

758
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:53,000
been affected we were handling all that
water so anything that rained on our

759
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:57,039
site the areas around our site we were
collecting all that water water and

760
01:06:54,279 --> 01:07:00,599
managing it as we're managing that water
because of the incident we were treating

761
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:05,559
all that water as a hazardous waste it
was a listed hazardous waste um so

762
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:08,799
everything we collected regardless of
whether it was impacted or not because

763
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,920
we didn't know we're saying hey all this
stuff's hazardous all right we're going

764
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:16,680
to manage it that way and that we've
been doing that since you know March

765
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:20,640
last year so a long time now uh as our
sites progressed along we've cleaned up

766
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:23,000
a lot of areas most of the solow areas
they're all dug out you know all the

767
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:27,920
areas where we're expecting
contamination we've dug all that out so

768
01:07:25,279 --> 01:07:31,680
we're not seeing areas where that storm
water could flow into the ditches where

769
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:35,839
we're collecting that water and have it
come back is hazardous we're just not

770
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:40,160
seeing that data so for the past five
months or so the water that we collect

771
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:44,000
and we analyze it all the time to know
what we have here we're not seeing

772
01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:48,359
hazardous constituents in it um we've
got over 80 sample results that from

773
01:07:46,319 --> 01:07:51,920
that data where we collect it and we're
not seeing hazardous waste in that so we

774
01:07:50,119 --> 01:07:56,799
wouldn't classify that as a hazardous
waste so all this this water we still

775
01:07:54,799 --> 01:08:01,960
collect we still manage you know it's in
the Big Blue tanks it's the frag tanks

776
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:05,760
down there um right now we're handling
as hazardous waste or we're running it

777
01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:10,839
through that treatment plan up there
once we treat it we test it again make

778
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:14,680
sure that day that water is good if we
feel that's comfortable we submit to

779
01:08:12,279 --> 01:08:18,839
oepa they review it you guys have a part
of it too and say hey you know what we

780
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:23,319
can based on what we've done we no
longer need to manage this batch as a

781
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:27,759
hazardous waste all right been doing
that for a while the 5 months 80 tests

782
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:32,799
we've been doing that long enough that
we are no longer seeing anything that

783
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:36,279
indicates this the hazard is waste so
we're about to we're not quite there yet

784
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:40,199
but it's going to happen pretty soon
we're in the process of working with the

785
01:08:37,719 --> 01:08:44,640
agencies develop our plan develop our
system of how we're going to start

786
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:48,880
managing the water that we collect as a
non-hazardous waste we're still going to

787
01:08:46,759 --> 01:08:53,000
take it off site there may be occasional
hazards waste shipments based on Decon

788
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:56,199
water and things like that with the RS
we're still going to handle all this

789
01:08:54,239 --> 01:09:01,719
water take it off site to a licensed
disposal facility you know for approval

790
01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:07,440
for disposal but um it won't be a non-h
has waste so soon we're hoping uh we'll

791
01:09:05,799 --> 01:09:11,560
still collect a batch of water we'll
still test it to confirm it's going to

792
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:15,480
be non-hazardous we're not going to
presume anything we'll collect it and

793
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:19,239
presume or Begg your pardon we'll
collect it test it demonstrates

794
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:23,120
non-hazardous go to the regulator say
hey here's our package here's our data

795
01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:27,199
that confirms it's not hazardous and
then be able to ship that to a

796
01:09:24,679 --> 01:09:34,239
non-hazardous facility what this does
for us is um there's a lot of benefits

797
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:37,960
here uh it's it speeds up the process of
removal and managing waste on the site

798
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:44,000
because right now if we have to treat it
or handle it manage as hazardous wasted

799
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:48,480
limits where we can go with it um if we
can get this in a point where we're

800
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:52,960
handling everything is nonhazardous it
opens up other disposal facilities which

801
01:09:50,839 --> 01:09:56,199
are all licensed permited in Ohio and in
other states that they can handle as

802
01:09:54,600 --> 01:10:02,400
material so we can get things out of the
site faster that helps shrink the site

803
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:06,199
we can get things more back to normal um
if we can handle it as a non-hazardous

804
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:10,520
waste it is less trucks that we need to
run on the north side of the site up by

805
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:14,120
you know Brave Industries and Martin we
can get all these trucks will go out uh

806
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:17,360
from the south side of our site and just
go out on the highway they don't go

807
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:20,920
through town we can get them to a
disposal facility uh so we're not

808
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:25,880
driving past people's homes with you
know with hazardous waste trucks um if

809
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:30,440
it's non-hazardous we can have more
trucks available to us uh we can have

810
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:34,520
more drivers available to us and again
more disposal facilities that are

811
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:38,199
available to us to get the materials out
and the goal with all this again is all

812
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,400
the water that we collect we still have
to manage and we're still disposing

813
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:44,520
right now you know we're it's in the
process you know we're hoping we evolve

814
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:49,800
to other stages but that's where we are
now um that helps us shrink our storage

815
01:10:47,239 --> 01:10:53,159
what we have on site um you know with
that storage you know we can have less

816
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:57,239
storage tanks we can start shrinking the
auxiliary facility so we can break

817
01:10:54,760 --> 01:11:00,520
things in shrink the site get the site
get the village and Community back to

818
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:05,239
where it was before so that's kind of
where we are in our progress on the

819
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:11,199
handling of water so I know I talk
quickly I'm not excited at just you know

820
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:16,280
talking about it uh and I said a lot
questions comments anything you guys

821
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:22,560
want to hear more about yes sir you was
saying about the excavation out at the

822
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:27,440
accident site being complete um was
there

823
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:35,360
like what was the indications
of um pollute uh pollution prior

824
01:11:32,440 --> 01:11:41,719
to the accident I mean was you guys
cleaning up because I know that area I

825
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:48,040
believe once was a a heavy equipment um
Boneyard and stuff was you guys finding

826
01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:52,679
stuff I'm sure that had nothing to do
with the accident can you do you know

827
01:11:50,199 --> 01:11:55,639
any of that you know it's you know we do
know there's an industrial history from

828
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:58,040
you know from the village from the town
you know we're

829
01:12:07,159 --> 01:12:14,600
seeing to but you know anything related
to anything we saw related to the

830
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:18,280
derailment based on you know the
chemicals that we're looking for the

831
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:23,600
constituents if we see saw that we dug
that that out until we reached uh the uh

832
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:26,440
you know the cleanup requirements that
were laid out in all our

833
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:35,760
plans anything else thank you sir that
was easy all right thank you

834
01:12:36,420 --> 01:12:43,159
[Applause]
guys