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evening call the meeting of October 3D

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to order Madam clerk would you please

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call the role of the

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council councilman foger yeah Council

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vice president R go yeah councilwoman

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Susa yeah council president Rodricks

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here and councilman Lawson is is home

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ill today he um kind of fought through

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the meeting last night with the with the

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bad cold but um called today to say that

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going to stay home and try to get strong

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for next week's meetings this hopefully

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looks like a brief

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agenda let the record show there are

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four members present councilman Lawson

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is is home

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ill you please rise for the

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pledge and uh Miss kakas would you lead

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us in the pledge

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thank you know I didn't wanted to put

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you right on the spot like

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that that's my pen

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what that's all right it's a rough

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group thank

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you so without um objection I would move

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at this time move up on the agenda this

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time a special

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Proclamation

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and sure there is no no objection and so

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those of you which is all of us who know

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uh East Providence know East Providence

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high school and our student Athletic

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program I'm good to see principal of the

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high school Willam black is here tonight

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uh thank you for for coming you know

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that um on top of the academics of

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course that goes number one but uh

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Athletics is Big County Athletics is Big

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nothing is bigger than our unified arts

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program and unified students and the

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other Associated programs the partners

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club uh we have some dedicated students

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who work together to make sure that

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everybody is included and it takes more

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than just the kids being active and and

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suppor is it it takes a leader it takes

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a coach takes a teacher and when

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Statewide they recognize you as the

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coach of the year no matter what sport

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it is whether it's

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the big four baseball football

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basketball soccer whatever it is they're

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all equal and we have one of the best

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here tonight and when you are the coach

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of the year of a special student program

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that is probably a little bit above

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everything else so we want to issue a

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special Proclamation and while I do that

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however I would like to ask coach

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Kristen kudak if you would please come

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up to the podium on my left as I and if

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you want to be accompanied by principal

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Bill black I would appreciate that too

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because I want people to know the

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support of our high school principal is

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second to

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none and this is a city council

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recognition Award presented to the Rhode

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Island Coach of the Year coach Kristen

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kakis and teams have won championships

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that that's the last thing I know that

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you are looking for but everybody wants

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to win right everybody still wants to

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win and you guys are winners before we

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um make the presentation I'd ask all

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council members if you want to say

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anything um councilman Rigo helped me

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toh sponsor this and uh it's been

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haunting the principal about it and said

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you better be at the meeting we were

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going to do it last week but there was a

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game at the high school so we we waited

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councilman do you want to add anything

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thing uh yes thank you Mr President uh I

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just like to congratulate your

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accomplishments what you've done with

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your teams through the years is

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outstanding uh you bring a lot of Joy to

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the kids you make them feel part of that

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Community uh and I'd like to also thank

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my good friend the principal Bill black

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for everything that you're doing over at

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the high school with this program and

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everything else but congratulations

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coach and an outstanding job that you've

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done with all your

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teams and councilman oh absolutely um

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the dedication and the work you do is uh

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unfall because being a referee for over

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20 years of the Special Olympics and the

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teams to see you guys put the work ethic

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in that you do is such a a a joy for me

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and the City of East Providence and to

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be a part of it so thank you for all you

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do and not least uh

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councilwoman

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season we have the opportunity to attend

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the celebration with all the athletes

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here at City Hall and it was great to

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see the rest of the coaching team also

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present who also do a phenomenal job day

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in day out including the athlet so thank

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you very much for your dedication love

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and support to our and two other things

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Ben why don't you join up H the uh

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platform please because you're a main

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part of this whole

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program and I I want to say a spot apart

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from the Athletics I have seen many

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times uh coach kakis uh affectionately

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called by colleagues and some students

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cudy not the way when I was a kid we

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would say that to other

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kids but walking the C is of the high

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school uh coach kakis I think you know

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just about every student all 16,700 of

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them pretty close and they all high-five

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her when she walks by and she has a good

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word to say about about most of them

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that goes for principal black we've got

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a great team at the high school so with

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that if we would like to congratulate

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you I would bring this proclamation to

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you and how about a round of

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applause

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I'd like to first thank the uh city of

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East Providence and of course um my

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friend Mr Rodrick thank you so much for

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acknowledging and um reminding me to

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show

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up I even got a text message today so it

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was during school

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hours I'll I'll admit you didn't answer

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it till after two

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o'clock with that um it's just an honor

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to coach and to be with um our students

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every single day and being at the high

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school um it's a great environment and

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the staff and the students really

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believe in our school and our community

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and I thank you very much for your

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continued

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support and positive energy you send our

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way thank

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you and Mr Black never a Man Without

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Words would you like to offer

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anything all right I have a long speech

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here C man that's all right we were here

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late last night and no uh thank you for

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this recognition to the council um coach

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does an amazing job and her staff does

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an amazing job with our student athletes

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uh it's great that Ben's here with us

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tonight but um it's just uh it's such a

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community that they've created within

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our high school community that makes it

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special you see a lot of our teachers

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show up a lot of our students uh all

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show up to support our students in these

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games and um it's just really exciting

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that not only the success that they've

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had but just the feeling I think we all

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get in the gym um when we're at these

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events so we encourage the city to

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attend these events um between

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volleyball and basketball we got some

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pretty special players so thank you

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tonight for recognizing us we appreciate

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that thank you we've come this far Ben

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do you want to add anything no come on

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Ben come on Ben she's the best coach

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and we we all like pictures so if you

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would come and stand in the front here

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and maybe Mary you could take a picture

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of the group anyone is welcome

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to look at Big Ben in front of me I love

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it Ben's gonna be

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powering

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long

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time thank you

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awesome

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would you guys come back for the budget

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hearing next week we need we need some

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Applause

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smile thank you for coming obviously we

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will not feel bad if you leave we know

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you all have busy weeks and busy days so

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don't feel like you got to stay another

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minute thank you for coming

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thank

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you I was kidding you could have stayed

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a couple

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minutes at this time uh rver back on the

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dock and pursuant to uh Island general

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46-5 a and two uh we will meet

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hopefully briefly in in

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executive session we will be discussing

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considerations related to the

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acquisition of real property for public

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purposes wherein Advanced public

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information would be detrimental to the

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interest of the public and as always no

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votes will take place and any anything

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is taking place in there will be

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reported out when we get to that point

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in the doet so is there a motion to uh

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move to Executive session Mr President I

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move to Executive session under the laws

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of the State of Rhode Island thank you

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motion made by councilman Rego seconded

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by councilman Lawson all in favor say I

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I fog I'm sorry get along though yeah

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all in favor it's unanimous y we will go

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to Executive session thank

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what motion is in order return to public

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session and to seal the minutes of the

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executive session make a motion to

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return to public SE uh return to public

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session and to seal the minutes of the

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executive session of the East Province

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City Council on October 3rd 2023 second

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motion by Council vice president rioo

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seconded by councilman fogy all in favor

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I any opposed the eyes have it four is

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zero Madam clerk can please resume the

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agenda under consent calendar we have

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the council journal's regular meeting

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2023 Council Mee September 19th 2023 and

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2023 we also have um tax abatements in

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184 motion on the consent

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calendar motion to approve the consent

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calendar is

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R second second motion by councilwoman

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soua seconded by councilwoman Rigo to

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approve the consent calendar all in

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favor I I any opposed guys have it for

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to zero thank you next

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item you have um a consideration for

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motion to bonsel licenses C1 to

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C3 um we have a one- day entertainment

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license license for Ocean State

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ballet um an application for a bingo

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license for Sacred Heart Church and a

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business license Sundays and holidays

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for Prime commoms LLC on Newport

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Avenue motion to accept bundo item

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license numbers excuse me C1 to

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C3 motion by councilman Rigo seconded by

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councilwoman Souza to bundle licenses C1

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to C3 all in favor I I any opposed the

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eyes have it motion approve the

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bundle second motion by Council ran soua

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second by councilman fogy to approve the

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bundle as read all in favor I I any

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oppos the eyes have that 4

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Zero have a public hearing application

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for additional hours to open 24

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hours applicant for Cumberland Farms at

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Avenue thank you the applicant name is

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Laura Sal vuci is applicant president or

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representative it come up to the podium

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to my left thank

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you and just identify yourself for the

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record

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please thank you Mr

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President Miss hean for Cumberland

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Farms

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Al set you can Pro proceed uh with your

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requests so members of the council uh

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this Cumberland Farms location is

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located on Newport Avenue they have

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another location on Pucket Avenue in the

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city of East Providence that location

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does hold the license that we're

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applying for today this is the newer of

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their two locations it it's been open

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for about a year um almost to the day uh

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fall of last year this opened there was

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some confusion on Cumberland Farm's part

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back when this uh business originally

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opened where they applied for this

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license but failed to appear for the

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hearing uh at that time the solicitor

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and I I wasn't involved I got brought

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into it um rather than file a motion for

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reconsideration or anything along those

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lines they decided that they would just

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wait um and O operate the business so

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that you could get a sense of how the

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current operation was running and what

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impact it had if any on the surrounding

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area so they currently operate from 6:00

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AM to 1: am and they're seeking the

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ability to operate um at a 24-hour

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location they have 48 locations in Rhode

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Island 27 of those locations possess the

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extended hours license that allows them

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to operate from that time uh I'm not

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here today certainly it wouldn't turn it

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down if you were inclined to approve

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their request um they want to be a good

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neighbor obviously kumel and Farms is a

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long-standing business not just in Rhode

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Island but throughout our region they're

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not going anywhere um and they're happy

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to do this sort of incrementally or even

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on a probationary basis I think your

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ordinance makes it probationary anyways

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um but wanted to get a sense of the

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concerns uh wanted to listen if there

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are neighbors here today to speak out

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against it um see if we can address

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those concerns uh I know that um traffic

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was a concern previously I do have a

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traffic study that was prepared back

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when this was originally um permitted

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that I could submit to you for the

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record that demonstrates there's no

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change to the level of service and I

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know there are um concerns with any late

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night business there's always concerns

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about

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loitering um you know Cumberland Farms

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in general the new model Cumberland

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Farms that get built are very bright um

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places they try they certainly don't

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tolerate any loitering it's not good for

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their business um it's not what they

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want to um certainly not what they put

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up with not what they attract they make

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sure that their clerks are charged with

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monit I mean first of all there's video

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surveillance right it's not a small

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operation but their clerks that work

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there are charged with making sure

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people are moving uh not lingering get

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their gas get their products uh and that

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they move along on their

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business often when I've worked on um

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stores and gas stations why do you want

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to open those late hours so I'll go off

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on a little tangent here even though

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he's gone but uh you're so lucky to have

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Bill black as the principal of your high

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school I'm not saying that because he's

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my

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cousin I'm saying that because you stole

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him in another life I was the chairman

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of the school board in Providence and Mr

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Black was teacher and he was uh we made

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him vice principal and then his first

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position as principal's job we were

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Furious when he left to come to East

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Providence but he made a comment he

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asked me what do you hear from for and I

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said I was here for this and he's like

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good I won't have to wait for my coffee

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in the morning because I guess he gets

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there just before they open at 6 so we

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target our demographic for those late

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hours are people that work a late shift

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when they get off um I'm sure we've all

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been in a place in our lives where we've

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been out later than exp we didn't have

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time to get the bread didn't have time

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to get what we needed for lunch the next

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day for the kids it's for people who

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need that it's for the First Responders

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the hospital workers the nursing home

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workers people that get off late it is

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not for vagrants and loyers I know there

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are concerns and I've talked with my

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client about that um that there have

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been some changes different

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establishments they're not going to

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tolerate that to this point it's not

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been an issue um I checked in with them

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but certainly we've not um required any

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sort of police presence for any sort of

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loitering or having to move people along

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our clerks are trained to notify law

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enforcement um they're trained to

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monitor for nuisance we're sensitive to

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that we know that's what your

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constituents um are sensitive to um but

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we'd like this to be an asset we're

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hopeful to work with you and start that

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conversation tonight um if there's

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anything that we can do to make sure

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that um anything that we don't address

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or haven't addressed uh through the

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current operation is dealt with we're

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happy to do that um but we are hopeful

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that we could have the same license that

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we possess at our other East Providence

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location and the majority of the

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locations that we have throughout the

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state

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some of those locations that don't

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possess the license um many towns don't

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just don't provide for it they don't

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have it in ordinance um others don't

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have the level of uh vehicular traffic

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for gas and and those needs that we have

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in in this location um but I'm happy to

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answer any questions you might have I'm

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happy to listen to folks who came out

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here today and a hope is that we could

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work together to um you know work

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towards this 24-hour liis we're happy to

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do it incrementally

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um if that is something that's more um

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palatable um but hoping that it's

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something that we can progress

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towards thank you for for that opening

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this is a public hearing which I will

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open up to the council first and uh

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defer to the ward one uh council member

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at at at this time uh councilman rioo do

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you want to uh startop when

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comments uh yes thank you Mr President

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since being on this console since

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January of this

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year this is the most phone calls I've

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received on any issue that has faced the

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community my ward in the city in

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general and as a prior note my first

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house was right behind there on Vermont

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Avenue 20 something years ago when we

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moved

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the

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community what the original zoning was

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and what it was changed

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for wasn't what the people in that

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neighborhood in that surrounded

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area in this map signed up

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for the 70 phone

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calls the 25 plus

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emails don't want it those people live

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there every day yeah hardworking

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people and I am going on the record as

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the councilman in that Ward that I will

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be voting no for any extended

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hours thank you councilman anyone else

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on the

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council this time uh there it's an

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extended public hearing so you can come

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back later and comment after we hear

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from anyone else um I I would make a

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couple of General comments uh I would uh

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um I appreciate the fact that you you're

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willing to possibly do this on an

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incremental basis I think that that

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helps um my observations and I've been

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there several times I have a family

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member in the area and I I go there

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often and I've been inside the store it

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is everything you said it is new it is

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big it is bright it is it is clean

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there's plenty of parking a heck of a

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lot better than what we had there

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before and I live near the other one

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that you mentioned in the Kent Heights

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area and that has been wildly popular uh

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with with everyone and they had a little

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struggle at first with with zoning and

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then eventually they prevailed and were

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able to expand it to the uh very nice

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spot that it that it is now at the

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corner of wo Trail in Pucket Avenue so I

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I as far as the business goes I I think

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it's it's a great business uh Newport

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Avenue is a busy street to say the least

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I I don't know that this would make it

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any busier I don't think it can get much

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busier but I understand what councilman

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Rigo is saying uh I'm not adverse

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to you open now at six I don't have a

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big problem if you opened at five I

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think most people especially working

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people are up at that time uh I don't

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see that as a as a major problem in in

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my life I have worked different shifts I

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remember working a night shift once

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and it opened up my eyes that there is a

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a different world out there not

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everybody is 9 to5 not everybody works

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in an office not everybody works in a

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school uh there are all kinds of jobs

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out there so there there is a need uh

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for for some people I have off off

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hours so I could I could see that how

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would an hour hurt if they if you

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started at 5:00 a.m. um just drive go to

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the high school early some mornings I'm

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going to the high school around that

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time and traffic is out and about you I

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look down to the highway as I go over a

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lot of times there's a traffic backup so

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the world is up and and about at at 5:00

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a.m. um if they need gas or a cup of

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coffee or whatever it is up to people so

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I'm not adverse uh to that I they're

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open at 6 what's what's another hour at

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5: and we we see how it goes but with

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that um I would open up the public

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hearing if there if anyone is here today

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unless did you want to add before the

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public speaks yes thank you Mr President

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one thing that I didn't address that

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maybe the other the the 24 hour hour

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store in the other section of East

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Providence and maybe the other locations

534
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that might be 24 hours and our police

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Chiefs here tonight he can attest that

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we have a problem a half a mile down the

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road they might not be standing at the

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Cumberland Farms but

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unfortunately those unfortunately and

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unfortunately for the people who are

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staying at the

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hotel they have mental issues drug

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issues I get constant complaints from

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people living in the neighborhoods at at

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all sorts of hours people going through

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we have a lot of C breaks we've had

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numerous C breaks in the area it it's

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tied there the chief can attest that

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that's probably one of the top areas

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that he has to send his Patrol offices

551
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,160
there to the point where they go in

552
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,400
there and they have to Lysol themselves

553
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,640
off afterwards the issue yeah maybe C

554
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,480
and Farms do a good job job of you know

555
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,520
saying get off our property but when

556
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,680
they leave the property now we have

557
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,280
issues in the neighborhood at 2: 3 in

558
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,079
the morning of people who are

559
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,359
intoxicated walking or people who are on

560
00:37:08,359 --> 00:37:10,520
drugs and unfortunately they have issues

561
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,319
that Society isn't taking care of but

562
00:37:13,319 --> 00:37:16,760
the people in no streets shouldn't have

563
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,000
to suffer because of a corporation

564
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,520
wanting to stay open 24 hours I will

565
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,240
move to deny the

566
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,200
license okay well before entertaining

567
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,720
motions I want to have the public

568
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,040
hearing and we'll we'll hear from people

569
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,960
I my my only reply would be that I I

570
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,760
don't know that these people that you

571
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,800
speak of from 5 to six are going to all

572
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,160
run to cuming farms and cause a a

573
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,359
problem the neighborhood problems is

574
00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:45,000
something else you know that we need to

575
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,240
address the police but is there anyone

576
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,920
here that would like to uh speak on this

577
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,800
issue please come forward and just give

578
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,280
your name and address for the record

579
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:07,430
please

580
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,440
Susan Darin 84 coil

581
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,280
Avenue I came last year to the hearing

582
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,560
for 24 hours was very much opposed for

583
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,520
all the reasons that were

584
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,800
mentioned um but this year I want to

585
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,000
tell you what I've noticed over the past

586
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,800
year with Cumberland Farms being

587
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,520
opened uh past 10 pm at night and open

588
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,960
in the morning

589
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,760
and there are more cars speeding down

590
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,920
coil Avenue they're coming out of

591
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,319
there's a cut through now in the parking

592
00:38:43,319 --> 00:38:45,240
lot and they are speeding up and down

593
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:48,480
coil and this is a risk for our children

594
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,920
that are out on the street uh Quil

595
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,119
Avenue is the neighborhood that is

596
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,520
directly parallel

597
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,760
to it's not power got to come down uh to

598
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,640
the Calin

599
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,640
Farms um there are many trucks and SUVs

600
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,200
with backup beepers that I hear they're

601
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,680
backing up like at midnight I hear

602
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,839
trucks backing up um so there are noise

603
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:15,960
there is noise there car alarms are

604
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,560
going off over there um and including

605
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,760
people yelling which could be the

606
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,119
Rumford Motor Lodge because I know that

607
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:27,119
now they have a place to go to get their

608
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:33,800
snacks um at 5:00 a.m. or after 10 p.m.

609
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,720
uh we had a situation on coil um where

610
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,240
we had a woman laying naked in in one of

611
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:41,880
our neighbors front Lawns um until the

612
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,920
EMTs came

613
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,359
together um there's been the biggest

614
00:39:48,359 --> 00:39:50,000
thing for me is there's been an increase

615
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,040
in trash not only on the street but on

616
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,480
lawns there there's even been trash bags

617
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,960
in my driveway

618
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,079
and I know it's not a result of trash

619
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:00,599
day because it doesn't only happen on

620
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:04,400
Monday and I'm literally picking up

621
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,960
wrappers like the tops of cigarette

622
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,720
boxes or gum

623
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,599
or little bags of Fritos individual bags

624
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:17,990
or brown trash bags that are full

625
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,599
of and I I wish I had saved it all and

626
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:22,319
brought it to show you so you can see

627
00:40:22,319 --> 00:40:25,520
that you know it's it is as a result of

628
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,000
C

629
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,359
now I think that if it's open 24 hours

630
00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:31,599
all of the above is going to increase

631
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,440
exponentially and I think that we are

632
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,119
going to have more of the Motor Lodge

633
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:38,000
people walking up and down our streets

634
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,200
because we have it now and because they

635
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,880
have a 24-hour place to go I don't even

636
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,319
like the 5 am because I believe that the

637
00:40:46,319 --> 00:40:49,319
5 AM is a way to sneak through to

638
00:40:49,319 --> 00:40:52,440
eventually being 24 hours so I think

639
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,319
that 6:00 a.m. to 10: p.m. is

640
00:40:55,319 --> 00:41:01,109
enough hour in the day to conduct

641
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:06,000
business excuse me um and I the only

642
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,760
thing that I I haven't addressed but Mr

643
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,880
rgo did is we've had a lot of carburs so

644
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,839
you know

645
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:15,750
I

646
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,319
changed when I moved to runford over 20

647
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:22,079
years ago it was a nice quiet M did

648
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:23,760
understand that Newport Avenue could be

649
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,960
developed but I didn't realize it would

650
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,800
be

651
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,880
expense of my neighbors my quality of

652
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,040
life been woking up I don't know if you

653
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,520
can wake up at

654
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,880
midnight and then easily go back to

655
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,359
sleep or you hear a door slam or you

656
00:41:38,359 --> 00:41:41,760
hear a hole or you hear someone yelling

657
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,400
um for me it could take hours and I I

658
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,040
have to be up at 6: am because I go to

659
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,359
work every

660
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:50,280
day um and again I don't like having to

661
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,960
come home from work at six o'clock at

662
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,240
night I Pi I'm trashed on my

663
00:41:55,240 --> 00:42:02,790
y

664
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,480
don't want it I talked to my neighbors

665
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,400
we don't want it and I don't think a

666
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,960
Year's made a difference and I don't

667
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,630
think another Year's going to make a

668
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,920
difference thank you appreciate you

669
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,720
coming out anyone else would like to uh

670
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:25,150
speak on this from the area or from

671
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,839
anywhere

672
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:31,480
uh back to the council uh councilman R

673
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,480
go before we um take a motion did you

674
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,559
want to add anything or no I'm I'm good

675
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:39,200
so just for the for the sake a navo

676
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,760
would be denying the license so the

677
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,839
request is for 24 hours so a n vote a n

678
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:49,119
vote is to deny the license deny the

679
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:52,400
when we're voting it's it's not

680
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,160
um well what's right here

681
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,910
Mike

682
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,920
right right now on the what the vote

683
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,200
block says your motion would be to deny

684
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,280
so you have to vote nay on

685
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,160
that we going off the vote block Mike

686
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,119
right so if we vote nay the Nays would

687
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:14,240
deny the

688
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:17,800
license no so we're not going off the

689
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,000
vote blocks all right so all right I

690
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,599
just wanted to be clear on that because

691
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:25,400
we've had confusion in the past so uh I

692
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,440
make a motion to deny Cumberland Farms

693
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,520
the 24hour

694
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,119
license motion yeah I thought I did the

695
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:36,559
public hearing is closed there was no

696
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:38,720
one

697
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:40,480
yes oh

698
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,880
sure we will admit the uh traffic study

699
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,760
as part of the council record which was

700
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,200
done when when the

701
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,920
initial so the motion is to deny the

702
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,160
24-hour request motion by councilman

703
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,359
weo second by

704
00:44:00,359 --> 00:44:05,119
councilman fogy and I I will um support

705
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:09,319
the the motion for the 24 hours if they

706
00:44:09,319 --> 00:44:12,119
come back and they want to look at one

707
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:14,079
hour earlier you know I'm certainly open

708
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:16,760
to that but tonight what's before us is

709
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,559
the

710
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:22,440
24hour uh request and I I think that and

711
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,040
this is just part of discussion on the

712
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,319
motion I think some of the concerns that

713
00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:29,720
that you made ma'am are are very valid I

714
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:31,920
see more of them being

715
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,640
towards the alleged problems with the

716
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,200
motel and the and the police in the

717
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,359
neighborhood can work on that I don't

718
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:41,520
want to be in a position where we're

719
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,400
blaming and farms for those problems

720
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,440
because I I do think they've been a very

721
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,000
good business in our city but I

722
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,319
understand what you're saying and those

723
00:44:51,319 --> 00:44:53,400
are areas that we have to look at but

724
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,559
anyway the motion is made and seconded

725
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:59,440
uh Madam clerk want to I'm sorry comment

726
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:05,800
by you um so I uh agree both ways so I I

727
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,640
understand where councilman vice

728
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,280
president's coming from and just

729
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,920
concerns and I

730
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,480
thinkig in listening and hearing to you

731
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,359
know the people who live in of the dayto

732
00:45:18,359 --> 00:45:21,599
day um would it be nice for others in

733
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:23,079
the city to have access to somewhere

734
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:25,040
that's 24 hours that may be closer than

735
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,640
going all the way up to Avenue um

736
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,839
absolutely um but that's you know you

737
00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:31,720
don't live in that area so it's hard for

738
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:33,480
you to judge how people feel when it's

739
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,079
not in your backyard I do appreciate the

740
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:37,960
conversation um and bringing to the

741
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,240
cable the ability to um be flexible and

742
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:43,760
wanting to hear the um work with the

743
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,359
resid always a good sign of business um

744
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:50,000
in the city and I would encourage that

745
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000
that still take place you know and I

746
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,599
know that that's probably something that

747
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:55,319
you and your client will do so I

748
00:45:55,319 --> 00:45:58,440
appreciate those continued efforts um

749
00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:59,720
but for the reasons that have been

750
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:02,359
stated from the public and our

751
00:46:02,359 --> 00:46:04,280
councilman and again I thank anybody who

752
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,200
comes up to the council and speaks

753
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,040
publicly on behalf of what really

754
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,559
concerns them and um things that they

755
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:15,720
expect their Council to listen to is um

756
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:17,440
really important I thank you for coming

757
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,000
out tonight that that takes a lot of

758
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,760
Courage for a lot of people to stand up

759
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,359
here before us and before live audience

760
00:46:24,359 --> 00:46:28,079
or um screaming they say how they feel

761
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:30,440
without having any backlash or maybe

762
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,359
being Rital because that's something

763
00:46:32,359 --> 00:46:34,599
that's easily done in the community um

764
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:36,839
by naysayer so thank you for being

765
00:46:36,839 --> 00:46:40,640
strong in doing that um but I do um I do

766
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,000
Echo the sentiments for this what's

767
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,950
before us today

768
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,079
um thank you councilwoman anybody else

769
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:52,240
on the council if not Madam clerk would

770
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:55,400
you call a ro remember an iote supports

771
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,480
the motion

772
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,319
to

773
00:46:57,319 --> 00:47:02,200
deny Council f i Council vice president

774
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,000
rgo Hi councilwoman Susa hi council

775
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,400
president rodri I motion to deny the 24

776
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,599
hours uh passes 4 to zero thank you

777
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:17,680
thank you for you uh councilman Rigo

778
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,800
regardless of this outcome if we can

779
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,640
help with some of these fash issues and

780
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,400
work together we can get in touch with

781
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,000
you because we don't like what's

782
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,920
happening down the road either it's not

783
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,800
who you know it's not what we're trying

784
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,800
to have Ur you know the lawyer and me

785
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,160
it's always tough because you want to

786
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,160
talk about evidence and stuff and it's a

787
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,359
political process and it's a constituent

788
00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:39,319
process so I don't like to rebut what

789
00:47:39,319 --> 00:47:41,599
people say but rather try to help be

790
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:42,920
part of that solution and I know they

791
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,960
would too so we'll reach out and see if

792
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,000
there's something we can do to help with

793
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,359
going this thank you thank you thank you

794
00:47:50,359 --> 00:47:52,559
Micha thank you for clarifying that way

795
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:54,710
you

796
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,240
know

797
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,000
thank you madam clerk next

798
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,520
item under Communications Nancy hail

799
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:18,109
speaking on budget

800
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,400
questions thank you just uh give your

801
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,319
name and address for the record please

802
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:24,640
Nancy

803
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,119
hail

804
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,680
can you hear me yes

805
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,720
okay 889 Bullocks Point Avenue Nancy

806
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:38,240
hail thank you you can proceed all right

807
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:39,920
I'm getting better at some of my visual

808
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,280
aids they're simpler it's going to be

809
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,920
Swift all right this one's for City

810
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,400
safety issues and it's going on the back

811
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,040
burner as I'm pleased to report things

812
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,880
continue to improve at my intersection

813
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,720
and it's spreading

814
00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:59,040
up to the

815
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,640
Honeydew area where Now cars are

816
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,040
stopping and being polite letting people

817
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,960
walk oh please go before me so like

818
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,319
something's happened that's really good

819
00:49:09,319 --> 00:49:11,440
and I don't think it's just because of

820
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,280
me so um the one of the other issues is

821
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,480
my green folder now this is actually two

822
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,839
it has two meanings one is fiscal

823
00:49:20,839 --> 00:49:23,119
responsibility so since this is budget

824
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:25,680
time I have a question probably for the

825
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,829
Treasurer but I don't expect an answer

826
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:32,680
tonight so the question is it has to do

827
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,119
with that interest being paid to the

828
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:36,240
state of Rhode Island because of timing

829
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,440
issues so you anyone can tell just have

830
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,680
to address your questions to the council

831
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,359
please and not not to be okay well I

832
00:49:44,359 --> 00:49:47,599
don't care who answers really or when

833
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:49,160
well maybe next week would be good for

834
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,799
an answer if it fits in because I don't

835
00:49:50,799 --> 00:49:52,960
even know what a budget hearing is and

836
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,720
and basically you can just ask my sister

837
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:57,319
Kim if it has to do with the budget I

838
00:49:57,319 --> 00:49:59,640
should stay far away from

839
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:05,880
it um so but um as far as losing money

840
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,359
on a yearly

841
00:50:08,359 --> 00:50:13,720
basis like to 100,000 or 400,000 in

842
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:16,319
somewhere in there just because we're

843
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:20,240
not in a same fiscal calendar as the

844
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:21,880
state of Rhode Island seems like a

845
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:27,240
terrible loss of money and we need maybe

846
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:29,000
that money to be put

847
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,760
towards uh the swimming pool and the

848
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,240
aquatics uh part of the uh Community

849
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:38,000
Center I don't know if that would would

850
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,599
solve the problem

851
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,880
entirely um and again I'll just say you

852
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,240
don't want me organizing your money but

853
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:47,440
I will I do want to know why is it so

854
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,520
difficult to get in sync with the state

855
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,799
of Rhode Island how can we do that and

856
00:50:52,799 --> 00:50:54,440
if that requires a

857
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,880
bond maybe that's a good thing to put a

858
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,200
bond out for and end the loss of

859
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,079
thousands of dollars so that's it for me

860
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:05,359
tonight the and and we can get more more

861
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:07,359
I know this Council will will be looking

862
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:10,280
to discuss synchronization more in the

863
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,760
future the the short answer which is not

864
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,680
an easy answer you're talking if you

865
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,040
wanted to do something like that cold

866
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,480
turkey to the same year as the state

867
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,359
whether it's cold turkey or five years

868
00:51:24,359 --> 00:51:26,720
from now or whenever you're talking

869
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:28,960
multi-millions of dollars why why I

870
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,319
don't get that that's why so it's more

871
00:51:31,319 --> 00:51:35,280
it's a complicated formula um with the

872
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,720
state uh yes Council someone someone ask

873
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:41,240
you go ahead chair maybe the solicitor

874
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:44,720
can expl sure if he if if he has a quick

875
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:46,599
answer on that there is no quick answer

876
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:49,000
on this well I mean I'm you know things

877
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,520
can be complicated but I can understand

878
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,400
a lot of complicated things we would

879
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,960
never be able to have another bond issue

880
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,920
of the sort that would be needed well I

881
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,599
don't even you know I know that wealthy

882
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,240
people like bonds because they make

883
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:03,880
money from them so that that's you know

884
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,079
but especially they like it if it barely

885
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:10,079
fixes a problem like this Mike can you

886
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:11,920
put it in a in a nut show oh I'm going

887
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,319
to um so lawyers are also bad with money

888
00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:16,079
but

889
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:19,119
um not charging

890
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:21,760
though I'm I'm not bad with money I'm

891
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,760
bad with budget well that's why I don't

892
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,359
same principle right yeah and check

893
00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:27,119
books I mean the sideways math forget

894
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:29,200
about it if memory serves me right the

895
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,359
synchronization issue is costly um I

896
00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:33,599
think it's was $50 million $50 million

897
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,440
to synchronize our fiscal year with the

898
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,160
state's fiscal year

899
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,680
because there will be a lag time the

900
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,640
city city government still has to run

901
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,119
right on a 12-month basis so if we try

902
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:46,760
to synchronize it we we we would be

903
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,640
moving everything up six months or three

904
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,440
months six months eight months so during

905
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,280
that eight-month period we've got to

906
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,079
have a bridge of money coming

907
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:01,720
in to allow the taxpayers to pay but

908
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:02,760
they wouldn't be paying because we're

909
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,440
synchronizing it but there would be an

910
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,920
eight-month Gap and that eight-month Gap

911
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,319
is about $50 million and so that's

912
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:11,440
that's the most simplest way I can

913
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,119
explain it yeah as the best as a lawyer

914
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:15,920
I could well I don't know I'd get theone

915
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,799
Mike well then then that's how many I I

916
00:53:19,799 --> 00:53:20,680
don't think many people would like to

917
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,760
pay their taxes in advance well but if

918
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,200
they got a swimming pool well you know

919
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,240
that's an expensive complicated to make

920
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:30,880
that con I mean you can't make that

921
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,920
direct connection but getting out of

922
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,200
debt is important and there may be

923
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,640
people in the city who would want to do

924
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,520
that that's a simple answer that very

925
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,000
simplistic but that's 50 $50 million got

926
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,880
an eight month flag where's the what's

927
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,880
the eight month flag because our do it

928
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,799
start that it's the difference in that's

929
00:53:49,799 --> 00:53:54,160
yeah November 1st to June to June

930
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,589
1st

931
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:04,270
thank you Mr s ask ask your sister

932
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,520
Kim thank you um Nancy uh next item

933
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,880
please public comment the first public

934
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:17,270
comment uh is Frank

935
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,599
Rego thank you Madame clerk fellow

936
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:21,839
council

937
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:24,559
members at last night's council meeting

938
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:26,920
a motion was made to be discussed on

939
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,319
October 10th to eliminate the planed two

940
00:54:29,319 --> 00:54:32,040
position which members of the council

941
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,040
thought was the vacant position I found

942
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,160
out today that the vacant position is

943
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,040
planner one I needed to ask legal and

944
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,359
finance if it's possible to switch this

945
00:54:42,359 --> 00:54:47,710
oversight and at what point we can do

946
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:50,319
that so you'll be able to make that

947
00:54:50,319 --> 00:54:53,240
change um at the next public hearing

948
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:55,680
which would be octob next um oober 10th

949
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:56,920
10th I'm sorry yeah I've got so many

950
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,720
dates October

951
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:01,319
10th thank you Mr

952
00:55:01,319 --> 00:55:10,710
solicitor thank you

953
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,240
councilman next on the

954
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:18,040
list um Renee shakon on the

955
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:23,990
archaeological

956
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:30,270
survey

957
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,680
thank you just name and address for the

958
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,480
record Rene choin 48 Kettle Point

959
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,880
Avenue good evening council president

960
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,760
Council vice president and council

961
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,559
members and thank you for the

962
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:46,359
opportunity to speak tonight I emailed

963
00:55:46,359 --> 00:55:48,359
you all in support of the Rhode Island

964
00:55:48,359 --> 00:55:50,480
historical preservation and Heritage

965
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,760
commission's recommendation actually

966
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,520
made twice once in 2020 and again in

967
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,520
2023 that an archaeological survey be

968
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,119
conducted at metacomet to determine if a

969
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:03,799
significant archaeological site which

970
00:56:03,799 --> 00:56:06,079
may include burials as present I come

971
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:08,680
before you today to make my plea in

972
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,319
person about a month ago I had the

973
00:56:11,319 --> 00:56:13,680
opportunity to visit the national museum

974
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,640
of the American Indian in Washington DC

975
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,160
it was one of the most moving

976
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,319
experiences that I have encountered at a

977
00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:22,839
museum it changed me the level of

978
00:56:22,839 --> 00:56:25,079
atrocities inflicted upon the American

979
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:27,640
Indian is overwhelming and to see that

980
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,799
even in the more Modern Age the actions

981
00:56:29,799 --> 00:56:31,920
that some of our own presidents of the

982
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,160
United States took to move the Indians

983
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,880
from their land is shocking and

984
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,160
scandalous at best I quote a philosopher

985
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,079
here Jose Ortega why gas it the past

986
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:46,079
will not tell us what we ought to do but

987
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:48,559
what we ought to avoid this could not be

988
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:51,440
more applicable to this situation most

989
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,760
of us merely have only the opportunity

990
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,400
to verbally acknowledge knowled the

991
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,640
passed via a land acknowledgement which

992
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,839
is a statement that recognizes and

993
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:02,960
respects the IND indigenous peoples but

994
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,480
you as a governing body have the unique

995
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,920
privilege of being able to put action to

996
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,440
those words let's not perpetuate the

997
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,920
mistakes of past governing bodies Monday

998
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,079
is indigenous people's day and November

999
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:18,079
is Native American Heritage Month in

1000
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,240
these Providence could this be more

1001
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,559
timely I have heard some arguments

1002
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:24,599
against requiring the survey the first

1003
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:27,520
one is that it's now private land this

1004
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,400
does not preclude you from strongly

1005
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,160
recommending that the developer

1006
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,599
undertake this survey in fact I have

1007
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:35,200
recently learned that a land

1008
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,280
archaeological survey was conducted

1009
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,559
prior to the development of kettle point

1010
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:41,880
that was also private land let's

1011
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,559
encourage the same behavior from

1012
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:45,559
Marshall and let's not forget that

1013
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:47,920
Marshall will or perhaps already has

1014
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,520
deed nine ACR over to the city what

1015
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,440
about a survey on that land the second

1016
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,520
argument I've heard is that This Land Is

1017
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,640
Now under the purview of the Waterfront

1018
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,200
commission as a city council you have

1019
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,160
the authority to strongly recommend that

1020
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,319
the Waterfront commission follow the

1021
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:06,559
historical preservation commission's

1022
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:09,160
recommendations why turn a blind eye to

1023
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,319
what is the right thing to do if they

1024
00:58:11,319 --> 00:58:13,520
are enforcing the recommendation city

1025
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,119
council can certainly step in to ensure

1026
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:18,960
that right actions are taken in closing

1027
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,480
I encourage you all to pass a resolution

1028
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,200
to call upon the East Providence

1029
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,079
Department of planning and econom IC

1030
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:27,280
development in conjunction with the East

1031
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,920
Providence Waterfront District

1032
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,440
commission to advise Marshall properties

1033
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,079
to conduct an archaeological survey

1034
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:36,520
performed by a qualified archaeologist

1035
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,400
at Marshall's expense please show with

1036
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,760
your actions that you respect and honor

1037
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,599
those that came before us thank you for

1038
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:50,069
your time thank you coming

1039
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:53,280
out Jason rafy speaking on the

1040
00:58:53,280 --> 00:59:04,789
recreation center

1041
00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:07,440
Jason Rafferty 85 Bluff Street in

1042
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,240
Riverside um I'm speaking in the

1043
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,319
recreation center but particularly the

1044
00:59:11,319 --> 00:59:13,480
um the pool which has been a topic of

1045
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,240
much of much debate um speaking in favor

1046
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,720
of it I go back to a New York Times

1047
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:20,920
editorial that was actually written

1048
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,079
earlier this year and it starts off as a

1049
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:25,760
young child in New Orleans forelle Ross

1050
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,520
fell into one of the city's many canals

1051
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,559
and nearly drowned years later as

1052
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:31,280
Hurricane Katrina bore down on the city

1053
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,160
Miss Ross fled the rising waters on a

1054
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,440
bus with two tiny babies in 2016 one of

1055
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,839
the babies Bethesda ground in a backyard

1056
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:42,240
pool when Miss Ross was asked to comment

1057
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,160
on it she says I don't play in water

1058
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:45,520
I've always been afraid of it because

1059
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:46,680
we're

1060
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,720
upbringing Bethesda is one of the

1061
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,559
estimated 4,000 people a year who die by

1062
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:53,680
drowning in the United States that's 11

1063
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,839
people per day

1064
00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:57,440
the United States for its majority of

1065
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,440
citizens has is basically a swimming

1066
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,520
desert where according to the Red Cross

1067
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,760
more than half the population lacks

1068
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,520
basic swimming abilities and million go

1069
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,440
without access to Safe places to enter

1070
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:08,720
the

1071
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,319
water we uh we don't have in in terms of

1072
01:00:11,319 --> 01:00:12,559
pools in the United States we've seen

1073
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:16,280
some really uh significant shifts the uh

1074
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:17,760
we it's estimated that currently there's

1075
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,880
about 10 million private swimming pools

1076
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,880
where there's only about 300,000 public

1077
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,079
ones and the vast majority of those are

1078
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:26,079
parts of condo complexes hotels and

1079
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:27,920
schools which are actually private for

1080
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,559
those in terms of using it not for the

1081
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:32,319
greater uh Community the United States

1082
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:33,559
really hasn't made a significant

1083
01:00:33,559 --> 01:00:35,599
investment in pool since the Great

1084
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:39,760
Depression um the

1085
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,960
uh yeah really since the Great

1086
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,440
Depression and um what was I going to

1087
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,400
say the uh a lot of the pools

1088
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,680
unfortunately in the

1089
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,920
1960s most of the pools were actually

1090
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,000
cemented in particularly those in public

1091
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,799
neighborhoods that were underserved

1092
01:00:54,799 --> 01:00:56,960
especially with racial minorities in the

1093
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,119
Reagan Era the glorified po

1094
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:00,640
privatization and smaller government

1095
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,640
only cemented the mindset that the need

1096
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,119
to be lack of of an investment in public

1097
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:07,160
pools and other public resources that

1098
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,559
left America today to see swimming more

1099
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:11,599
as a luxury is not and not as a private

1100
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:15,160
good uh private good the um in all

1101
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,160
reality today it's interesting because

1102
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:18,400
if you look at the the sort of

1103
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:19,760
dispersity of the country what you

1104
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,079
notice is is that most of our P most of

1105
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:25,160
our pools are owned by uh well-off

1106
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,599
communities or by well-off families when

1107
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:29,359
it really is the communities of color

1108
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:31,599
and low socioeconomic status that have

1109
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:33,720
really been sort of uh struggling in

1110
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,799
this environment the um just looking at

1111
01:01:36,799 --> 01:01:39,440
some of the data black and brown kids

1112
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,079
drown at about 7 times the rate of white

1113
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:44,200
kids when you look at their parents

1114
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,280
about 25% have never learned how to swim

1115
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,480
whereas with white parents 96% of white

1116
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,240
parents have at some point in their life

1117
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:52,720
learned how to swim or taken swimming

1118
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,279
lessons only about 50% of parents um

1119
01:01:56,279 --> 01:01:58,279
black and brown parents or families

1120
01:01:58,279 --> 01:02:00,079
enroll their kids in swimming lessons

1121
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:02,359
whereas it's about 72% for white

1122
01:02:02,359 --> 01:02:04,559
families and I'm not you know a lot of

1123
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:06,319
this has to do with past politics and

1124
01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:08,160
and racial divides and things like that

1125
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:09,720
which we can't you know it's hard to

1126
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,440
take responsibility for that today but

1127
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,200
we can do something to fix it and when

1128
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:14,920
you ask a lot of these families why it

1129
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,039
is that we have this sort of fear of the

1130
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:19,279
water or why this sort of culture exists

1131
01:02:19,279 --> 01:02:21,799
that prevents them from from um learning

1132
01:02:21,799 --> 01:02:24,400
how to swim the big issues were access

1133
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,920
comfort in the water and competency or

1134
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:27,640
learning how to swim the skills that you

1135
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,920
would actually need so in terms of why

1136
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,680
we I believe we need a pool there's a

1137
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,440
few reasons that come to mind the first

1138
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,039
is fostering the sense of community and

1139
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:37,279
the sense of community that extends

1140
01:02:37,279 --> 01:02:38,920
Beyond racial and socioeconomic

1141
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,039
boundaries it also promotes Fitness

1142
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:42,000
across

1143
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,000
intergenerationally I will say I'm not

1144
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,240
one that I'm not going to go to a

1145
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:46,960
community center and pump iron I'm not

1146
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,720
going to go into you know a pickup game

1147
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,000
probably I blew out my knee a few years

1148
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,119
ago and needed surgery but I would jump

1149
01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:54,000
in a pool and I would do laps and I

1150
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,799
think a lot of people whether you're an

1151
01:02:55,799 --> 01:02:57,680
adult or an older you know individual of

1152
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,520
our community it brings people together

1153
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,599
in a way that other sports don't

1154
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:03,880
necessarily do it provides career and

1155
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,640
volunteer opportunities in really sort

1156
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,640
of pro-social activities especially

1157
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,440
lifeguarding the pool maintenance things

1158
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,000
like that accessibility is huge as I've

1159
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,200
talked about in terms of racial

1160
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,039
disparities I think if you look at sort

1161
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,119
of our current access to pools if you

1162
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:19,119
look at pods and health tracks it's

1163
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:20,640
pretty clear the population that's able

1164
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,799
to afford to go there and the population

1165
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:24,640
that essentially we could expand to if

1166
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,000
we had a public pool in our community

1167
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,319
and finally safety in Rhode Island in

1168
01:03:29,319 --> 01:03:31,240
East Providence we have 14 miles of

1169
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,400
Coastline um it's one of the most of any

1170
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,160
actually Town municipality in Rhode

1171
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,240
Island um which is often surprising to

1172
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:38,440
know because a lot of our roads are not

1173
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,720
located on our Coast um so you don't

1174
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:41,920
wouldn't know it necessarily driving

1175
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,799
around most of our city um we've had uh

1176
01:03:45,799 --> 01:03:47,720
last last this past summer in July July

1177
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,279
23rd there was an article you probably

1178
01:03:49,279 --> 01:03:51,160
saw it about a lifeless body that was

1179
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,480
found on Dunes Park beach in Westerly it

1180
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:54,960
was a 15-year-old old boy who was found

1181
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,599
by his best friend that was on a Sunday

1182
01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:59,119
on a Thursday that him and his friend

1183
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,720
were out on the jetty playing in the uh

1184
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,000
sort of splashing in the water and up on

1185
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,559
the jetty when when he

1186
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:06,440
disappeared most people don't know his

1187
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:07,640
name but they know that he was the third

1188
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,640
death this year in Rhode Island from

1189
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,039
drowning last year there were 20 deaths

1190
01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:13,640
in Rhode Island most of them were young

1191
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,440
people Children and adolescents and the

1192
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,480
year before there were 19 we don't have

1193
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,279
the statistics yet since it's only

1194
01:04:19,279 --> 01:04:20,640
October some people are still swimming

1195
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,839
for this year um but it may be

1196
01:04:22,839 --> 01:04:25,240
comparable I know living in Riverside

1197
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,520
that there are future plans around you

1198
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,119
know Crescent Beach there are

1199
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:31,000
opportunities to expand that and make it

1200
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,920
more swimmable but I think unless we

1201
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,240
provide access the skills the competency

1202
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,480
and the familiarity to be um you know

1203
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,079
comfortable in the water and know how to

1204
01:04:39,079 --> 01:04:40,359
sort of protect yourself and those

1205
01:04:40,359 --> 01:04:43,079
environments it's a wasted project we

1206
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:44,960
need to be really improve our

1207
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,200
community's relationship with water we

1208
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,680
need to improve our safety so that we

1209
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:50,880
can then utilize our Coast I think it's

1210
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,319
a step that's uh much needed in this in

1211
01:04:53,319 --> 01:04:55,640
this sort of in this sort of process and

1212
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:56,559
I think it really speaks to our

1213
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:58,480
investments in all of this the other

1214
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,200
thing and I I you know speaking a little

1215
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:01,400
bit on the public comment this is a

1216
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,720
little unrelated but related I did hear

1217
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:04,880
about you know last night with the

1218
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,799
planning department I will also say I do

1219
01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:08,799
a lot of work with um Riverside

1220
01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:10,559
Renaissance and Riverside Square and I

1221
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:12,119
would promote I think our planning

1222
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:13,839
department is incredible I think each

1223
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:15,559
individual there I've worked with a

1224
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:17,160
number of them that have brought in you

1225
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:18,559
know thousands if not hundreds of

1226
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:19,520
thousands of dollars when you look at

1227
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,119
the scope of the city and grants and

1228
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:23,680
funds and um I'm glad to hear that

1229
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:24,799
potentially it would be a vacant

1230
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:25,960
position that would be eliminated

1231
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,799
because when I heard it was a level two

1232
01:05:27,799 --> 01:05:29,640
I got I was very worried I know last

1233
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,920
week um it was actually a level two

1234
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,920
planner who came to speak on the on the

1235
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,720
community center um and I think that his

1236
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,319
sort of familiarity with the project his

1237
01:05:38,319 --> 01:05:40,599
advocacy just speaks to the level of

1238
01:05:40,599 --> 01:05:42,720
dedication um that we that we're lucky

1239
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:43,920
enough in the city to have in our

1240
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,760
planning department so I also just

1241
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,359
wanted to throw that out too as a plug

1242
01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:48,920
for our planning department thank you

1243
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,599
very much thank you very much thank

1244
01:05:52,599 --> 01:05:59,150
you chrisy

1245
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,559
Rossi thank you this not that you need

1246
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:04,960
to but name and address for the record

1247
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:09,119
Chrissy Rossy 87 Shore Road in the

1248
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:12,720
Riverside so I'm here tonight to

1249
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,160
strongly encourage

1250
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,680
you to not go forward with the

1251
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,200
Redevelopment

1252
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:23,839
agency and I have made many notes as to

1253
01:06:23,839 --> 01:06:26,000
um why I don't I don't think it's going

1254
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,559
to be in the community's best interest

1255
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:30,599
and I and I will let you continue of

1256
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:32,920
course but to let you know we are not

1257
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,599
taking that up tonight it will be tabled

1258
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:37,799
because number one councilman Lawson

1259
01:06:37,799 --> 01:06:40,240
worked with me and with assistant

1260
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,920
solicitor on that and we we need to do

1261
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:44,880
some fine-tuning and we've also heard

1262
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,760
from you and others so there'll be no

1263
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,039
discussion at least unless there are

1264
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:52,440
three votes to vote on it tonight I

1265
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,279
don't believe that there will be because

1266
01:06:54,279 --> 01:06:55,960
everyone realizes we have to do some

1267
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,200
more work so you're welcome to come back

1268
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,039
at a later time when we will actually

1269
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:03,799
discuss it for a vote but please you

1270
01:07:03,799 --> 01:07:06,640
know feel free to proceed now also okay

1271
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,359
thank you um while it's fresh on my mind

1272
01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:10,680
and I have all these question I didn't

1273
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,599
think you would leave that quickly no

1274
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:16,440
Bob you know better

1275
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,440
so one of one of I was hoping

1276
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,079
yeah one of the the more concerning um

1277
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:25,920
pieces of this that I'm I'm sure you're

1278
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,039
going to work on is that every member is

1279
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:31,760
appointed by the mayor I'm sure that's a

1280
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,480
concern to all of you um also that there

1281
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:35,839
are five-year

1282
01:07:35,839 --> 01:07:38,640
terms so we know what kind of damage can

1283
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,880
be done in four years so I'm I'm not

1284
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:46,079
feeling the extra year on top of that um

1285
01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:49,240
it also gives the our citizens no

1286
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,079
protection um as it's

1287
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:55,440
written they can pick up a property

1288
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,720
somebody can deem it um unsuitable it's

1289
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,520
not really clear who's making that

1290
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,960
determination either what on what is

1291
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,720
unsuitable who makes that decision but

1292
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,400
they can just take it and build whatever

1293
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,799
they want whenever they feel like it so

1294
01:08:09,799 --> 01:08:12,079
I was struggling with that as well and

1295
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:13,720
then all I could think of was that

1296
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:15,799
crossroads property that's happening and

1297
01:08:15,799 --> 01:08:18,199
they're struggling with their funding

1298
01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:20,759
and according to this in the way it's

1299
01:08:20,759 --> 01:08:24,600
written right now they can just take the

1300
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,400
city or this this commission can take

1301
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,040
over a piece of blighted

1302
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,920
property and they can spend whatever

1303
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,400
money they have on it and just hand it

1304
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,400
over to a developer or a nonprofit to

1305
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,799
build whatever they see fit you guys

1306
01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:43,759
never get one say on it and I'm thinking

1307
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:45,719
you ran for office why would you give

1308
01:08:45,719 --> 01:08:47,920
away all your power like that and the

1309
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,159
power to protect the citizens so that

1310
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:54,640
was another big um big red flag for me

1311
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,080
and then I'm also curious where the seed

1312
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,000
money is going to come from for this so

1313
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,759
it in uh what is it 20-4 C to select and

1314
01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:08,759
appoint officers agents councils and

1315
01:09:08,759 --> 01:09:11,960
employees permanent and temporary as it

1316
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,560
may require in determine their

1317
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,279
qualifications duties and compensation

1318
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:20,480
who's paying them they are their own

1319
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:23,880
individual situation so where they got

1320
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,759
to get the seed money to hire these

1321
01:09:26,759 --> 01:09:30,640
employees um no approval Ever Needed by

1322
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,990
our elected

1323
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,159
Council then over here it says to

1324
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:38,839
undertake technical assistance to

1325
01:09:38,839 --> 01:09:40,520
property owners and other private

1326
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:44,040
persons encourage Implement and

1327
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,759
facilitate voluntary Improvement of real

1328
01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:50,679
property so to me it just sounded like

1329
01:09:50,679 --> 01:09:53,480
they're going to pick on poor people old

1330
01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:55,400
people people who can't afford to live

1331
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,520
in their house say gez you know your

1332
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,440
house is falling apart let us help you

1333
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:02,360
with that let us relocate you and and

1334
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,560
that kind of bummed me out too and then

1335
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,040
there's this little piece that keeps

1336
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:10,159
showing up tax increment District Master

1337
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:12,960
Plan what is

1338
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,560
that

1339
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,120
anybody are we going to make a master

1340
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,400
plan are we going to make a tax

1341
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:24,600
increment District I mean right now

1342
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,760
and I I am going to tell you just

1343
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,280
driving out of my street Every Morning

1344
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,400
has become increasingly difficult I'm

1345
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,880
halfway into bulock Point Avenue because

1346
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,040
I can't see because of all the cars and

1347
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,159
stuff that are parked with the boohemoth

1348
01:10:39,159 --> 01:10:41,239
that was now built at the former vam

1349
01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:44,400
Coast site 16 Apartments 17 parking

1350
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,840
spaces behind it when it's done where is

1351
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,360
company going to park in the street you

1352
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:50,640
don't think these people are going to

1353
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,960
have company you're sorely mistaken the

1354
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,760
company shows up it just does I'll tell

1355
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,280
you you go down to Sabin Point you'll

1356
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,159
see all sorts of company you've got

1357
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:03,159
company no matter where you are

1358
01:11:03,159 --> 01:11:05,679
so and I will come back again just in

1359
01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:08,400
case anybody enjoys my uh the reasons

1360
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,040
you listed and and others um you know we

1361
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,480
we've got to do a lot of refining I will

1362
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:19,040
tell you this and I'm not um as I've

1363
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,199
been made to say many times not an

1364
01:11:22,199 --> 01:11:24,679
apologist for the

1365
01:11:24,679 --> 01:11:28,040
administration this was not born from an

1366
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,159
idea of the administration councilman

1367
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:33,320
Lawson and I were talking about this

1368
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:37,320
looking at bladed properties

1369
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,600
and for for that reason I mean empty

1370
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,760
lots the the old Diner you know get

1371
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,040
calls almost every week on on that

1372
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:47,840
property what's what's going on there

1373
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,840
why is the grass 8 feet tall and chain

1374
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,560
link fence around it and are they

1375
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,600
selling are they not selling now we know

1376
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,040
we can't force someone to sell they

1377
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,520
evidently are trying to sell but does

1378
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,639
that mean they can't cut the grass clean

1379
01:12:02,639 --> 01:12:05,960
it up a little bit that that's a a

1380
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,840
stretch of a of a reason but it's one of

1381
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,719
the reasons that we were talking about

1382
01:12:11,719 --> 01:12:15,000
so we met with the assistant solicitor

1383
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,159
and looked at other cities that have

1384
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:22,480
this kind of a agency and as um was told

1385
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:24,159
to us this would be

1386
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:28,880
another tool in the Arsenal the city any

1387
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,960
City could have to try to clean up

1388
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,120
places not you know give someone a

1389
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,960
chance uh the tax increment thing was

1390
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,960
kind of a reference to there have been

1391
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,639
places in businesses that hav paid taxes

1392
01:12:41,639 --> 01:12:44,800
in many many years so this would maybe

1393
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,639
force the issue a little more it isn't

1394
01:12:48,639 --> 01:12:52,639
and it wasn't intended to go after some

1395
01:12:52,639 --> 01:12:55,400
elderly couple having trouble with their

1396
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,159
keeping up their property um but you're

1397
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:00,120
you're right it needs a lot of tweaking

1398
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,080
before you came here tonight before we

1399
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,400
heard from some people councilman Lawson

1400
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,080
and myself said we got to take this off

1401
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,840
the agenda and and work on this some

1402
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,159
more a lot of it was copy and pasting

1403
01:13:13,159 --> 01:13:16,760
language from other cities and towns and

1404
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,800
it it may never come to fruition it's

1405
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,400
it's it's a thought and it will end up

1406
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:22,360
with

1407
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,239
Council ual approval this is not going

1408
01:13:25,239 --> 01:13:27,639
to be if I have anything to say about it

1409
01:13:27,639 --> 01:13:29,159
it's not going to be an

1410
01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:32,800
independent agency that can take your

1411
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,400
property because you're not living up to

1412
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,960
what we think it would eventually come

1413
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,639
to a city council but um we're not we

1414
01:13:41,639 --> 01:13:44,719
can't go out and knock on doors and I

1415
01:13:44,719 --> 01:13:47,040
thought of going to the owner of that

1416
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,080
old l or dinina corner and other places

1417
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:51,000
there's

1418
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,360
uh I don't want to mention the names a

1419
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:54,920
place in Riverside Square as you're

1420
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,120
entering Riverside to the right been

1421
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,400
like that for 50 years it's not going to

1422
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,120
change till that man passes you know

1423
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,000
that and to me that you can call the

1424
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,760
square what you want to call it that's

1425
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,520
the gateway to Riverside for me and when

1426
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,920
you go and you see that old rusting

1427
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,719
tractors with again 8 foot grass growing

1428
01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:15,239
through it things like that so this was

1429
01:14:15,239 --> 01:14:18,800
a tool to maybe try to push along some

1430
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,320
of these things so it will be Revisited

1431
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,920
nothing will happen without Council

1432
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,960
involvement and um please come back and

1433
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,000
we'll we'll show you the recommendation

1434
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,960
anyways which can be tweet again I

1435
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,000
appreciate that's what that's all about

1436
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,760
I appreciate you listening to me I

1437
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:38,960
appreciate your time tonight and I will

1438
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,000
just remind you you do have the power of

1439
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,840
ordinance and you have but one gentleman

1440
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,520
who goes around inspecting properties to

1441
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:48,520
keep them on board it's it's a big issue

1442
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,520
I know councilman Rigo and I there's a

1443
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,880
property we've been visiting almost

1444
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,400
weekly it's it's an abandoned house

1445
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:57,960
there's no one living in it it's it's

1446
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,000
boarded up now is it bank owned is it

1447
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,080
what is it bank owned I don't I don't

1448
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,320
know it's some kind of receivership

1449
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:10,000
there were weeds thick weeds growing out

1450
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,120
of the front yard into the

1451
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:17,120
road and not not to sound like um um

1452
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,520
altruistic or anything but we went by

1453
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,280
one day I had Clippers in my car and I

1454
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:22,480
said I'm going to cut these things get

1455
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:23,800
them out of the street

1456
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,280
and we did that the city has acted there

1457
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,199
are signs posted all over the building

1458
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:32,280
that are declaring you know what has to

1459
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,120
happen legally it's the lawyer's fault

1460
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,360
so it's a legal not our lawyers it's a

1461
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,880
I'm being funny it's a legal world you

1462
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,800
can't just job you can't just do it you

1463
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,280
know you've you've got a a house fire in

1464
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,040
Riverside recently neighbors called me

1465
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:50,440
and said that's an abandoned house what

1466
01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:52,000
are you guys doing about

1467
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,760
it so so I'll just bring you back to

1468
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,560
when Tommy Rose sat on the council he

1469
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,360
uttered the same exact sentiment it's

1470
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,920
it's a disgrace that we let these

1471
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,440
properties bank owned properties we just

1472
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:09,199
let them sit there we have the authority

1473
01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:13,280
as a city to make them and we have Crews

1474
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,840
you have a rotating crew of of

1475
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,320
contractors and they can go out and they

1476
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,639
can clean up the property once a week

1477
01:16:21,639 --> 01:16:24,239
whatever you guys deem necess Neary make

1478
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:27,000
it happen like not I'm not upset with

1479
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,239
you obviously this is a management issue

1480
01:16:29,239 --> 01:16:32,760
but follow up make it happen clean up

1481
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,600
the I've lived next door to a haunted

1482
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,880
house for three years finally I've got

1483
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:42,360
some progress finally three years weeds

1484
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,719
growing stuff living in there I can't

1485
01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:46,239
even recognize some of those animals

1486
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:49,880
that's how bad it was three years and

1487
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:51,560
and Jean would get on them and somebody

1488
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,880
would cut the grass but it was a bamboo

1489
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:55,840
forest had knotweed like I could not

1490
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,920
even see my neighbors that's how bad it

1491
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,080
was so you guys have your

1492
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,840
ordinances make somebody enforce them

1493
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,239
because that's really all it takes you

1494
01:17:05,239 --> 01:17:07,120
don't need a whole commission for this

1495
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,080
make them figure it out it is a little

1496
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:10,719
more than that when you mentioned the

1497
01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:12,800
name Jean when we talked to our minimum

1498
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,639
housing person and he said you know I

1499
01:17:15,639 --> 01:17:18,360
don't have a lot of power of enforcement

1500
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,440
give the man set of teeth comes to the

1501
01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:22,760
courts and you know how long that can

1502
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,320
take sure absolutely but it's it's there

1503
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,199
and it's that's why this Redevelopment

1504
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:29,239
agency or whatever we end up calling it

1505
01:17:29,239 --> 01:17:32,159
was trying to get the teeth and that

1506
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:34,639
you're talking about you know some of

1507
01:17:34,639 --> 01:17:36,760
the initial wording isn't isn't going to

1508
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,440
work so why don't we just send the crew

1509
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:42,440
out the rotating crew we do they go out

1510
01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:44,280
and do some work but we're talking about

1511
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,120
in this case of this boarded up house

1512
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,120
the crew can't do anything about that

1513
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,040
they cut the grass they can clean it up

1514
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:51,239
they can clean can't even find the

1515
01:17:51,239 --> 01:17:53,280
owners I think they're out ofate owners

1516
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:54,480
so we're not going to go in and knock

1517
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:56,639
the house down no but what has happened

1518
01:17:56,639 --> 01:17:58,480
in the past what has happened in the

1519
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:00,280
past we send out the crew we send them a

1520
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,199
bill they don't pay the bill we take the

1521
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:05,400
property it's it just isn't done

1522
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,920
overnight taking property not overnight

1523
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,120
I agree with you 100% sometimes it can

1524
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,040
take we're on the same page we're going

1525
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,920
to get a process to to get this done

1526
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:16,800
again thank you for your time thank you

1527
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,040
thank you anybody else uh on this topic

1528
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,280
well uh thank you Mr President so

1529
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,280
listening to your words that you just

1530
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,600
said and well thank you uh Mrs Rossy for

1531
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:32,159
those words that I agree with on a lot

1532
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:35,480
of the issues uh what you said and along

1533
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:37,480
with our fellow colleague who's not here

1534
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:39,239
tonight if you're saying there's going

1535
01:18:39,239 --> 01:18:42,719
to be changes to that so basically this

1536
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:45,840
is second motion so we really need

1537
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,320
to we got to start over so we got to

1538
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,480
deny this motion tonight well we can

1539
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:52,239
just table it I would like to make a

1540
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:55,550
motion to deny

1541
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,590
I

1542
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,360
just yeah okay yeah it's

1543
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:05,520
later all right let's do that first then

1544
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,760
so without objection we'll we'll um move

1545
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,560
the the

1546
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,400
ordinance forward yeah it's all the same

1547
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,000
thing we we can deny it it's going to

1548
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:19,040
come back you know in a new in a new Pro

1549
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:23,400
new format a motion by councilman fog to

1550
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:27,080
uh deny correct second second by

1551
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,840
councilwoman soua all in favor let's

1552
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,679
open public okay anyone else on the

1553
01:19:32,679 --> 01:19:36,400
council that wants to uh speak we can

1554
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,960
open it up to so my my concerns and I've

1555
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,320
talked to um our colleague who isn't

1556
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,679
here today who initially sponsored uh

1557
01:19:45,679 --> 01:19:47,719
this um after first passage so I'll

1558
01:19:47,719 --> 01:19:49,880
always get something first pass those

1559
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,800
people know usually um and having disc

1560
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,080
disc I had a lot of concerns um with

1561
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:56,719
this I was able to speak with him and

1562
01:19:56,719 --> 01:20:00,080
and then explain some of the concerns

1563
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,800
and some of the issues your I know some

1564
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,440
off offici have had um but reading

1565
01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:08,560
through all of these pages in my mind

1566
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,199
this does not this does not solve those

1567
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:13,639
issues IT addresses even greater issues

1568
01:20:13,639 --> 01:20:16,159
just within the legislation itself it's

1569
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:17,520
actually something that's causing more

1570
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,280
harm to our community and not beneficial

1571
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:23,920
in my opinion I think that St in fresh

1572
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,239
is um in addressing specifically the

1573
01:20:26,239 --> 01:20:28,320
issues that we're looking to do so

1574
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,920
similar to what Miss Rossy spoke about

1575
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,920
we do have um enforcement issues we do

1576
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,760
have um Manning issues so one person for

1577
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:39,960
an entire city to be scouting out all

1578
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,400
these things amongst other tasks that

1579
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,159
that individual may have under that

1580
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:48,239
minimum housing is a lot uh we also have

1581
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:51,000
um a process with courts right so that's

1582
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,120
also something so people are looking at

1583
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:55,719
a piece of property and I know it could

1584
01:20:55,719 --> 01:20:58,800
be distressing in a neighborhood to see

1585
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,360
that as a neighbor day in and day out

1586
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,239
but we ask that we have some patience

1587
01:21:03,239 --> 01:21:05,600
because there is a process so it's not

1588
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,400
that it's going um unnoticed or that

1589
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,560
people don't care about it or don't you

1590
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,360
know not in our backyard that we're not

1591
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,120
addressing it there a process that needs

1592
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,159
to be taken and I know receivership is

1593
01:21:17,159 --> 01:21:20,679
something that has um gone into multiple

1594
01:21:20,679 --> 01:21:23,000
properties and that's a method of able

1595
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,400
to take that property and get it redone

1596
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,040
and back functioning and presentable

1597
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:30,960
into its neighborhood but that's a legal

1598
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:35,320
process that happens down in Superior

1599
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,960
Court and obviously in our municipal

1600
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,480
court so there's multiple courts

1601
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:41,520
multiple judges multiple attorneys

1602
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,880
involved so it is a a genuine process

1603
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:44,920
and this

1604
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:48,760
monitoring um we know that during coid

1605
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:53,360
which was door finishing that big

1606
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:57,000
um pandemic that we were all HED for

1607
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,800
that you had a couple of years that

1608
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:02,600
there were no tax sales so that also

1609
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,960
affected again these maybe potential

1610
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,520
blighted properties that tax issue where

1611
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:08,760
people weren't paying because there was

1612
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,679
AE ticket to pay your taxes because um

1613
01:22:11,679 --> 01:22:13,560
we weren't doing tax sales so there was

1614
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,679
some accountability that wasn't being

1615
01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:18,520
placed on uh businesses or Property

1616
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,600
Owners uh or residents so I think all

1617
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,719
that to say is are moving in the right

1618
01:22:23,719 --> 01:22:26,239
direction we need to strengthen the Ty

1619
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:28,320
of ordinances that we have maybe

1620
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,719
Implement additional things but not to

1621
01:22:30,719 --> 01:22:33,560
the extent of what um was presented

1622
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,159
before us and certainly what works in

1623
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:38,000
other communities doesn't mean that it's

1624
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,520
right for our community and I think we

1625
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,199
have to be of of that it's nice to

1626
01:22:42,199 --> 01:22:43,840
create some ideas and thoughts but we

1627
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,360
really do have to find to them so that

1628
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:48,719
they apply to our community and our

1629
01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:51,920
residents in the most beneficial way um

1630
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:55,199
so those are my reasons for not

1631
01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:59,709
supporting this and

1632
01:22:59,719 --> 01:23:02,080
starting and and you make a good point

1633
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,520
councilwoman when you say you know we

1634
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,719
voted and you voted for first passage

1635
01:23:06,719 --> 01:23:09,400
that's the point of having two passages

1636
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,880
I I will say that often times that I I

1637
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,000
may not have decided yet on an issue but

1638
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,080
I generally will always vote for first

1639
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:20,120
passage unless it's something that is

1640
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,159
really detrimental to my my

1641
01:23:23,159 --> 01:23:25,840
opinions uh but you get it out for a

1642
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:27,719
conversation

1643
01:23:27,719 --> 01:23:30,199
and my last comment andless there's

1644
01:23:30,199 --> 01:23:31,800
anyone the public that wants to speak

1645
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:33,560
and I know councilman Rigo wants to add

1646
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:35,960
something when Mrs Rossy mentioned a

1647
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,840
former councilman

1648
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,480
and but recall that it didn't get done

1649
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:42,600
then either you know and there was a

1650
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,239
councilman it was a different form of

1651
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:46,960
government then you had three votes as

1652
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:48,840
the saying we used to go and you had

1653
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:51,960
city managers and it didn't get done so

1654
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,920
even with Council support at that time

1655
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,600
it never got done so it we're going to

1656
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,600
give it our shot and hopefully Hope from

1657
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,360
you and others um will will make a dent

1658
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:07,159
in this problem councilman well F first

1659
01:24:07,159 --> 01:24:08,960
well thank you Mr President again first

1660
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:10,639
I want to thank you and councilman

1661
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:12,639
Lawson was not here to taking the

1662
01:24:12,639 --> 01:24:15,400
initiative as we all have issues in our

1663
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,840
Wards and throughout the city for you

1664
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,480
that you need to address uh piggy back

1665
01:24:21,480 --> 01:24:24,360
in on what councilwoman Susa said more

1666
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:27,400
enforcement is definitely the key

1667
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:31,560
strength in what we have uh figuring out

1668
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,000
there my biggest concern was looking

1669
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,520
through this piece of you know what what

1670
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,480
we would have passed tonight uh we sat

1671
01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:41,239
here for almost four hours last night

1672
01:24:41,239 --> 01:24:43,719
going through a budget looking to cut

1673
01:24:43,719 --> 01:24:47,320
money out of the budget and we we in

1674
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,159
this legislation that we would have

1675
01:24:49,159 --> 01:24:52,119
passed tonight was creating a quasi City

1676
01:24:52,119 --> 01:24:54,600
a agency where it'd be hiring people so

1677
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,239
it would be almost against what we did

1678
01:24:57,239 --> 01:25:00,800
last night looking and cutting and you

1679
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,760
know saving the taxpayers of the

1680
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,320
city money on their tax rate and all we

1681
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,119
would be doing was creating a

1682
01:25:09,119 --> 01:25:11,800
bureaucracy that we didn't need at this

1683
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,040
time I again I commend you and

1684
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,159
councilman Lawson because we all have

1685
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:17,880
you know we all have properties in our

1686
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:19,840
wards that people are calling about all

1687
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,639
the time and I think by us all working

1688
01:25:23,639 --> 01:25:26,440
together with the administration that we

1689
01:25:26,440 --> 01:25:30,679
can come to a place where we can satisfy

1690
01:25:30,679 --> 01:25:32,719
the concerns that we have with these

1691
01:25:32,719 --> 01:25:35,600
properties no I appreciate that and in

1692
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,560
our early discussions there was never

1693
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,400
intention of hiring people who somehow

1694
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:45,000
again the language got to infer that but

1695
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,760
that's probably not going to happen uh

1696
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,119
councilman fog did you want to add

1697
01:25:49,119 --> 01:25:51,560
something anyone here that would like to

1698
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,880
uh speak on on this

1699
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,560
policy anyone want to speak on this

1700
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,880
Redevelopment agency

1701
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:01,560
policy

1702
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,400
which we have a motion to deny please

1703
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:16,470
come

1704
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:19,800
forward Nancy hail 889 bck Point Avenue

1705
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:21,639
it's just a quick question like there

1706
01:26:21,639 --> 01:26:23,320
are things even in my neighborhood I've

1707
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:26,119
noticed abandoned car that goes nowhere

1708
01:26:26,119 --> 01:26:28,400
with the grass growing all over it like

1709
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,960
parked partly on the road and partly on

1710
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,360
the grassy area so what are we supposed

1711
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,320
to do if we notice stuff like that plus

1712
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,040
a couple of houses that are like really

1713
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:39,400
like do you ever mow the lawn or

1714
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,840
whatever like like we I'm all about the

1715
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,320
environment and I understand whatever

1716
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:48,199
messy yards are a very good environment

1717
01:26:48,199 --> 01:26:50,960
uh they can be good for the environment

1718
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,800
but I mean there's got to be a balance

1719
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:59,790
right so what do we do what's the first

1720
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:04,030
step that's

1721
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:08,520
been a week no month all summer months

1722
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:09,920
um and that you know it doesn't belong

1723
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,400
to any of your neighbors um I suggest

1724
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,360
you call the police

1725
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,400
department look into that because it

1726
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,199
could be a stolen car it could be

1727
01:27:18,199 --> 01:27:19,880
multiple things um so they would

1728
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,600
investigate that the city also has

1729
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,360
portal where um all residents can

1730
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,880
inquire about a number of issues and

1731
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,159
concerns one so if it's a vehicle call

1732
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:31,800
the police what if it's just like a

1733
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,119
property that's a mess just a mess go to

1734
01:27:34,119 --> 01:27:36,159
the portal and in the portal you can um

1735
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:37,760
fill out the complaints about it so it's

1736
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:39,440
a written document it's essentially

1737
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:41,400
emailing the department to take action

1738
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:46,109
on it what department minimal

1739
01:27:46,119 --> 01:27:48,000
housing thank you

1740
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,920
Nancy thank you there anyone else um

1741
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:53,280
just for the record I filled those

1742
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:56,639
things out like handy at Halloween so um

1743
01:27:56,639 --> 01:27:58,040
because it's a written record right so

1744
01:27:58,040 --> 01:27:59,600
you know that those things are being

1745
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,880
going to be looked at and The Bu action

1746
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:04,600
or you can hold your your city

1747
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:06,280
accountable as a resident for making

1748
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,639
sure that things get done just re recall

1749
01:28:09,639 --> 01:28:13,440
that there is a legal process on street

1750
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:15,679
that councilman fogy lives on which I'm

1751
01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:19,320
familiar with uh there was a yeah we I

1752
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,480
live there too there was a car parked

1753
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:25,040
for me maybe three months at the end of

1754
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,159
the street was tough turning in through

1755
01:28:27,159 --> 01:28:30,119
the street and the police happened to be

1756
01:28:30,119 --> 01:28:31,880
around for something else I asked them

1757
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,719
to look into it and they said a legally

1758
01:28:35,719 --> 01:28:37,159
registered

1759
01:28:37,159 --> 01:28:39,679
vehicle can park anywhere as long as

1760
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:43,000
it's in in the legal parking area didn't

1761
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,679
say no parking or

1762
01:28:44,679 --> 01:28:46,760
anything excuse me they don't have to

1763
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:50,520
live there so and at one point it looked

1764
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:52,719
like it wasn't even inspect Ed but it

1765
01:28:52,719 --> 01:28:55,719
was registered it was legal so we're

1766
01:28:55,719 --> 01:28:57,560
we're going to try to chip away on some

1767
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:00,040
of this stuff I'll close the public

1768
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,280
hearing at this time um motion was made

1769
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:07,440
and seconded uh all in favor I denial I

1770
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:10,119
any oppos the eyes have it thank you

1771
01:29:10,119 --> 01:29:13,400
thank you to those who spoke next item

1772
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,719
please detailed arpa allocation spending

1773
01:29:16,719 --> 01:29:18,639
and existing purchase orders from

1774
01:29:18,639 --> 01:29:21,560
inception to date broken down by program

1775
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,119
and item receive report and discussion

1776
01:29:24,119 --> 01:29:27,360
Council vice president weo

1777
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,719
councilman thank you uh Mr President at

1778
01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:36,040
this time I see uh Mr Mo has come to the

1779
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:39,719
uh Podium I will turn the microphone

1780
01:29:39,719 --> 01:29:41,760
over to Mr

1781
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,600
Mo council president council members um

1782
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:49,159
earlier today I put your a breakdown on

1783
01:29:49,159 --> 01:29:51,639
your in front of you and the front page

1784
01:29:51,639 --> 01:29:54,040
is a summary broken down really between

1785
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,440
two sections it says we received

1786
01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:59,119
27.8

1787
01:29:59,119 --> 01:30:01,400
million of that the council has

1788
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,920
appropriated 12.2

1789
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,119
recently of that there's been a few

1790
01:30:06,119 --> 01:30:09,159
projects done at bullo Park Granite

1791
01:30:09,159 --> 01:30:11,280
curbing there's also a purchase order

1792
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,360
out there for some street

1793
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:17,760
lights and besides that the the city

1794
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:19,400
is

1795
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:25,040
spent um in salaries and benefits 759

1796
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:29,239
th000 uh expenses through 926 of 9.1

1797
01:30:29,239 --> 01:30:32,199
million there's open purchase orders of

1798
01:30:32,199 --> 01:30:35,159
5.3 uh subtotal of

1799
01:30:35,159 --> 01:30:38,239
15.3 million is spent which leaves a

1800
01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:40,159
balance of

1801
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:42,440
255,000 which is

1802
01:30:42,440 --> 01:30:44,920
unencumbered now if you look at the

1803
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,880
second page it just list all of the open

1804
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:48,920
purchase

1805
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:53,480
orders and on the third page

1806
01:30:53,480 --> 01:30:56,360
it subtotals the 5.3 million you can see

1807
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,119
that as it tracks through on the front

1808
01:30:58,119 --> 01:31:00,840
page and there are the two open POS for

1809
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:04,239
the uh Council approval or Council

1810
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:07,800
POS and those two I believe councilwoman

1811
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:09,199
has allocated

1812
01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:12,440
$450,000 for popo Park and the

1813
01:31:12,440 --> 01:31:15,800
Waterfront parks and so these

1814
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,080
were projects that have been started for

1815
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,440
bullo so we just moved them under under

1816
01:31:20,440 --> 01:31:22,679
that category

1817
01:31:22,679 --> 01:31:23,920
and then the page after that really

1818
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,480
lists all of

1819
01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:28,520
the expenses that have been incurred to

1820
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:32,000
date it uh gives you the vendor the

1821
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,159
description the amount and then how we

1822
01:31:35,159 --> 01:31:37,239
try to categorize them into some major

1823
01:31:37,239 --> 01:31:39,040
categories whether it's a storr

1824
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,000
storefront facade cyber security new

1825
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,159
dispatch you can see over to the right

1826
01:31:44,159 --> 01:31:48,320
where it it groups them by

1827
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,520
category uh

1828
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,000
there's yes

1829
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,960
um so the council when we were taking

1830
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,480
the votes um by ordinance appropriate

1831
01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:03,390
the council did not approve

1832
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:06,000
the that was

1833
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,639
450,000 that was not approved by the

1834
01:32:08,639 --> 01:32:13,159
council for Opera funds so in actuality

1835
01:32:13,159 --> 01:32:16,280
on your fund

1836
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,760
appropriated wasn't

1837
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:22,159
over was approved by the council if you

1838
01:32:22,159 --> 01:32:24,520
look at page four I I do believe I have

1839
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:29,360
that you'll see where um proposed was

1840
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:33,400
12.65 million and approved was 12.2 the

1841
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:37,239
450,000 for toy Park Pride toy Pride

1842
01:32:37,239 --> 01:32:38,800
Park

1843
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,000
was uh not

1844
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:44,239
approved so I'm just saying that your

1845
01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:46,360
unappropriated is

1846
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:50,629
255 What happened to

1847
01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:52,719
the

1848
01:32:52,719 --> 01:32:56,639
well know the um what was approved was

1849
01:32:56,639 --> 01:33:00,280
12.2 million it was originally 12.6 I

1850
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,800
think to 12.6 would have put them

1851
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,679
over would have put you overs spent or

1852
01:33:05,679 --> 01:33:08,960
overdrawn on that account now again the

1853
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:11,320
the projects were up to two and a half

1854
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:15,119
million or up to so there could be some

1855
01:33:15,119 --> 01:33:18,149
Surplus in

1856
01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:20,400
there and so that's always the the

1857
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,480
question is uh if I think you had two

1858
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:24,239
and a half million for the police

1859
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:26,119
station so we don't know what that I

1860
01:33:26,119 --> 01:33:27,600
mean if that comes in at two million

1861
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:29,199
then we'll have another half a million

1862
01:33:29,199 --> 01:33:30,679
that we that could go somewhere else but

1863
01:33:30,679 --> 01:33:33,199
right now that's the the council had

1864
01:33:33,199 --> 01:33:34,840
said we we want to

1865
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,480
appropriate tentatively up to 12.2

1866
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:42,070
million for those

1867
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:45,679
projects thank you so and again on the

1868
01:33:45,679 --> 01:33:47,880
last page it it shows you the

1869
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:51,639
expenses uh subtotal for the this cities

1870
01:33:51,639 --> 01:33:52,920
and then for the councils for the

1871
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:55,280
granite Kirby I mentioned

1872
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:57,639
earlier and so this is every single

1873
01:33:57,639 --> 01:34:00,080
expenditure and every single P that's

1874
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,400
currently either expended or outstanding

1875
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:05,470
as of

1876
01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:09,760
926 thank you Malcolm for this report uh

1877
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:11,920
having just received this not too long

1878
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:15,159
ago and not having a lot of time to

1879
01:34:15,159 --> 01:34:19,119
digest this or really no time

1880
01:34:19,119 --> 01:34:22,679
um a couple of things that and I had it

1881
01:34:22,679 --> 01:34:25,320
here

1882
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:28,560
um seems there's a lot there's a couple

1883
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:30,360
of things I shouldn't say a lot but

1884
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:31,960
there there's a couple

1885
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:36,239
of items with same vendors and almost

1886
01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:41,480
same programs that would put it over the

1887
01:34:41,480 --> 01:34:44,719
$50,000 limit that would have to go in

1888
01:34:44,719 --> 01:34:48,159
front of the counil um for what you know

1889
01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:50,600
there's a couple of issues that I see

1890
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:54,920
and let me get back to it uh one you

1891
01:34:54,920 --> 01:35:00,400
know so that is uh that's a concern and

1892
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:02,960
and I know there was couple in regards

1893
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:07,119
to the uh new telecommunication Center

1894
01:35:07,119 --> 01:35:08,920
up at station

1895
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:13,159
three uh and I mean one that I see

1896
01:35:13,159 --> 01:35:15,040
that's still on an

1897
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:18,840
open what you would call open was

1898
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:20,400
the

1899
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:25,760
uh cyber removal service and pots for

1900
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:27,760
reinstallation so that means your

1901
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:31,960
removal of removal and service and pots

1902
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,520
for reinstallation it's 498 and if you

1903
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:39,790
same company it's

1904
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:44,119
23998 just guide me through that as to

1905
01:35:44,119 --> 01:35:45,690
uh

1906
01:35:45,690 --> 01:35:47,280
[Music]

1907
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:50,480
how that would happen it seems like it's

1908
01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:52,320
the same job

1909
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:55,159
um I just got questions

1910
01:35:55,159 --> 01:35:58,239
on yeah I got questions on a lot of

1911
01:35:58,239 --> 01:36:01,280
these items that look like they're

1912
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:05,480
connected and they're going over the 50

1913
01:36:05,480 --> 01:36:07,639
they're going over the

1914
01:36:07,639 --> 01:36:12,920
$50,000 threshold uh same for instance

1915
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:18,480
on the carousel industries of North arpa

1916
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:21,400
replacement of City Hall cor and Network

1917
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:24,239
firewall and there's also the firewall

1918
01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:25,800
at the police

1919
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,960
department I would think from a

1920
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,679
situation of the city standpoint that

1921
01:36:31,679 --> 01:36:32,880
those would be

1922
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:34,800
two that's

1923
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:38,000
$62,000 it's almost like it's the same

1924
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,960
it's the same thing obviously one's at

1925
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,400
City Hall one's you know one's at the

1926
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,480
police station so there's no so you

1927
01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:47,119
could say that there's separation and

1928
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:49,320
everything but I just have a little

1929
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:51,840
concern about a lot of the this stuff

1930
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,639
adding up to over the 50,000 as we go

1931
01:36:54,639 --> 01:36:58,800
through you know go through this uh

1932
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,560
again a lot of it you know is over

1933
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,080
$50,000 like the north North Broadway

1934
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,440
sewer replacement and

1935
01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:09,800
Rehab we got a lot of twelves T and

1936
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:11,440
without even a quick calculator we're

1937
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:12,239
over

1938
01:37:12,239 --> 01:37:16,000
$50,000 I I have that's my

1939
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:20,320
concern as to why and how this is

1940
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:23,709
happening

1941
01:37:23,719 --> 01:37:25,639
uh councilman I'd have to look into that

1942
01:37:25,639 --> 01:37:27,600
just looking at the list I don't

1943
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:31,040
know for Carousel Industries I listed

1944
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,000
them by vendor I don't have the dates in

1945
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,960
here so I couldn't tell you if this was

1946
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:38,280
combined over 50 that came to you or if

1947
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:40,520
it was something that was done two years

1948
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,679
ago and something done today okay well I

1949
01:37:42,679 --> 01:37:45,239
mean I thank you but you know again I'm

1950
01:37:45,239 --> 01:37:47,440
I'm looking at this report and you know

1951
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:48,760
I'm just looking at the report and I'm

1952
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:50,920
seeing like two similar jobs so in my

1953
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:53,960
mind without dates and you could be very

1954
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:56,960
very right that if one date happened in

1955
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:01,080
December of 2021 or or say uh when you

1956
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:03,840
know say March of 22 and the next one

1957
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,800
happened in December of 22 it's two

1958
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:09,520
separate jobs but I'm looking at this

1959
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,159
right now and without

1960
01:38:12,159 --> 01:38:15,520
dates without the dates telling us when

1961
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,920
the POS will put in I'm thinking that

1962
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:20,679
it's two you know some some of these are

1963
01:38:20,679 --> 01:38:23,199
a one job and I could probably get you

1964
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:24,800
more information I was trying to get

1965
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:26,440
this all on one page I thank you for

1966
01:38:26,440 --> 01:38:28,520
your time and short notice I know you

1967
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:30,320
you know I know you mentioned last week

1968
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:32,920
that you had to sit down or two weeks

1969
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:34,960
whenever we have seem we have meetings

1970
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,719
every day now but uh it uh I know you

1971
01:38:38,719 --> 01:38:40,480
said you had to sit down with the mayor

1972
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:44,599
so uh I you know I appreciate again um I

1973
01:38:44,599 --> 01:38:46,920
appreciate your attention to details and

1974
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,480
everything that you provided for uh this

1975
01:38:49,480 --> 01:38:51,239
Council since we took over in Jan

1976
01:38:51,239 --> 01:38:54,520
January uh I just you know if we could

1977
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,880
see like a PO date then

1978
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,760
obviously that's that's that's the uh

1979
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,040
that's the that solves solves my

1980
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,400
question but looking at it as you could

1981
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:07,360
see as I look at it and being a number

1982
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:11,800
person 49 and 20 49 and 20 for instance

1983
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:13,920
is 69 so I'm think you know I'm just

1984
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:15,760
throwing out numbers so I know it's over

1985
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:19,520
the $50,000 threshold that's my only

1986
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,760
thing thank you for time I have a

1987
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:25,719
question Malcolm so the under the

1988
01:39:25,719 --> 01:39:29,840
salaries and benefits um the 759 now we

1989
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:34,040
saw that in a previous budget last year

1990
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:37,159
um are these are we currently using

1991
01:39:37,159 --> 01:39:40,599
Opera funds in our 24 budget for

1992
01:39:40,599 --> 01:39:42,239
Staffing

1993
01:39:42,239 --> 01:39:46,080
positions I don't think so we've taken I

1994
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:50,040
know that we in 20 the 23 budget we had

1995
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:51,639
a lot of positions that were going to be

1996
01:39:51,639 --> 01:39:54,719
filled by arpa and we've taken all of

1997
01:39:54,719 --> 01:39:58,159
those out all the full-time positions or

1998
01:39:58,159 --> 01:39:59,920
anything that we had budgeted for arpa

1999
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:01,560
for salaries has been

2000
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:04,520
removed um mainly when you go and read

2001
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:07,199
all the specifics the way they wanted

2002
01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:10,360
you to use the arpa like we were

2003
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:13,119
bringing arpa money in to pay for those

2004
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:15,560
salaries but what they're trying to say

2005
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:19,119
is well if that money runs out then

2006
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:21,119
you've got a a deficit you because

2007
01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:22,639
you've got to plug that hole so what

2008
01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:24,119
they want you to do

2009
01:40:24,119 --> 01:40:27,679
is you've got to put the revenue in

2010
01:40:27,679 --> 01:40:29,800
automatically for those

2011
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,719
positions and then you can have the

2012
01:40:32,719 --> 01:40:35,400
expenses and and use those

2013
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:38,320
expenses and have ARA cover those it's a

2014
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:40,040
little confusing but what they want is

2015
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:41,960
when those when the when the money runs

2016
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:43,480
out you've got the revenue so you don't

2017
01:40:43,480 --> 01:40:45,480
have the hold so we had to pull those

2018
01:40:45,480 --> 01:40:47,320
out as far as the revenue if you look at

2019
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:50,119
all of the revenue items for 23 that

2020
01:40:50,119 --> 01:40:52,440
said arpa for these salaries those are

2021
01:40:52,440 --> 01:40:53,760
all now

2022
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:57,480
zero and so now the city is funding

2023
01:40:57,480 --> 01:41:01,870
through the general fund those positions

2024
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:04,800
yes and I think that a lot of those were

2025
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,920
like the summer program of that 700 I

2026
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,159
know that we were paying $30,000 a month

2027
01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:16,229
I think for the summer

2028
01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:19,040
program thank

2029
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,520
you thank you Council thank you

2030
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:23,280
councilman rioo for bringing that up

2031
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:26,440
thank you director Moore thank you next

2032
01:41:26,440 --> 01:41:29,840
item Madam Clark upate um Police

2033
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:31,880
Department roofing project discussion

2034
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:34,159
only councilwoman Susan before

2035
01:41:34,159 --> 01:41:36,800
councilwoman starts I just want to thank

2036
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:38,960
police chief for sitting here we meant

2037
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,280
to call you up earlier but seemed like

2038
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:43,159
you were enjoying yourself so I

2039
01:41:43,159 --> 01:41:46,000
absolutely no worries let let him stay

2040
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:47,920
councilwoman thank you uh thank you

2041
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:50,119
chief for being here tonight to answer

2042
01:41:50,119 --> 01:41:52,239
some of these questions so um I know the

2043
01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:53,960
council had allocated we had gone out

2044
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:57,639
for RFP back in I gu April thereabouts

2045
01:41:57,639 --> 01:42:00,360
and um it was awarded the council

2046
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:04,599
approved the contract and um how long

2047
01:42:04,599 --> 01:42:07,599
have they been working on that it's been

2048
01:42:07,599 --> 01:42:09,159
a little longer than anticipated there's

2049
01:42:09,159 --> 01:42:12,760
been some weather delays heat first off

2050
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:17,080
early on in the process and then rain um

2051
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:19,040
I we were told they would have been done

2052
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:23,239
by now um so I was expecting it to be

2053
01:42:23,239 --> 01:42:25,760
completed also the latest update we

2054
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:28,880
received from the company was um they

2055
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:33,080
have to lay down the rubber membrane um

2056
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:35,760
walking mats that protect the roof from

2057
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,239
uh when workers have to go up there to

2058
01:42:37,239 --> 01:42:40,440
repair things and um the icicles from

2059
01:42:40,440 --> 01:42:42,920
our radio tower which had done some

2060
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:44,400
damage over the years that is supposed

2061
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:47,080
to pres uh prevent that uh we're being

2062
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:51,040
told that's a two-day Max uh process

2063
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:52,840
when those two days are going to be I

2064
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:55,920
don't have that answer um and also they

2065
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,840
do all have to get the crane back in

2066
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,159
there at some point to get some of their

2067
01:43:00,159 --> 01:43:02,440
heavy machinery that they used uh for

2068
01:43:02,440 --> 01:43:04,040
the project off the

2069
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:07,080
roof because they are utilizing space on

2070
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:09,560
the property corre have equipment on

2071
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:13,400
site they currently just have a dumpster

2072
01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:15,880
um they really don't have

2073
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:19,239
anything on our ground or in our parking

2074
01:43:19,239 --> 01:43:21,520
lot I should say we do have area kind of

2075
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:23,239
roped off for them for for their

2076
01:43:23,239 --> 01:43:25,040
vehicles and if they do have to bring

2077
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:27,679
something in at some point um we we made

2078
01:43:27,679 --> 01:43:30,080
some room for them now how many um and

2079
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:31,679
I'm sure that you've seen this when

2080
01:43:31,679 --> 01:43:33,400
they're there how many how large is the

2081
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:36,669
work

2082
01:43:36,679 --> 01:43:39,520
through I'm not really sure I mean I've

2083
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:42,159
seen them up on the roof but um it's

2084
01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:44,159
just I mean because in this contract I

2085
01:43:44,159 --> 01:43:47,360
just you know reviewed it a little bit

2086
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:52,000
um before the meeting um so

2087
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,360
it's a flat roof correct that's had a

2088
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:57,599
lot of issues um and the urgency was to

2089
01:43:57,599 --> 01:43:59,760
get the roof DED to avoid the water

2090
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:03,520
damage that keeps coming in um and so my

2091
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:06,560
concern is we've awarded a substantial

2092
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:09,119
amount of money through a vendor a

2093
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:11,679
contractor through the roof and in my

2094
01:44:11,679 --> 01:44:14,639
mind it hasn't it should have been done

2095
01:44:14,639 --> 01:44:17,440
within a certain amount of time right or

2096
01:44:17,440 --> 01:44:19,159
wrong expected certain amount of time

2097
01:44:19,159 --> 01:44:21,400
all summer is probably nobody if I had a

2098
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:23,719
person come do the roof on my house and

2099
01:44:23,719 --> 01:44:25,920
it took them all summer to do the roof

2100
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:29,599
on my house it'd be an issue with that

2101
01:44:29,599 --> 01:44:32,639
um and in the contract it's clearly

2102
01:44:32,639 --> 01:44:34,239
states that if they're not working

2103
01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:36,800
consistently then the contract was cled

2104
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,760
for not being there working to get the

2105
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:41,960
job done because they don't get it done

2106
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:43,960
in a timely manner we've G get into

2107
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:45,880
August which is then rainy season which

2108
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:49,639
then causes more issues work now we have

2109
01:44:49,639 --> 01:44:51,480
more damage in the police station that

2110
01:44:51,480 --> 01:44:54,400
we trying to avoid and why we had the

2111
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:57,159
urgency of getting this so I guess my

2112
01:44:57,159 --> 01:44:59,040
question is where is is there

2113
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:03,400
accountability to this get this one done

2114
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:06,159
the lack of not getting it done I'm not

2115
01:45:06,159 --> 01:45:08,520
familiar with the clause in the contract

2116
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:13,480
um but I can say the we were advised the

2117
01:45:13,480 --> 01:45:16,239
workers do have a clause that they don't

2118
01:45:16,239 --> 01:45:18,199
work if it hits a certain temperature

2119
01:45:18,199 --> 01:45:21,000
and that came into effect um when

2120
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,440
we had that streak of very very hot

2121
01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:26,310
weather in August and then the rain

2122
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:27,800
[Music]

2123
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,560
um what I was told initially was 10 to

2124
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:33,719
12 Days right that's reasonable right um

2125
01:45:33,719 --> 01:45:36,440
and obviously we're we're well beyond

2126
01:45:36,440 --> 01:45:39,199
the 10 to 12 Days

2127
01:45:39,199 --> 01:45:42,080
um recourse I don't have an answer for

2128
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:46,119
you when it comes to that um but I mean

2129
01:45:46,119 --> 01:45:47,760
we can absolutely look into the into the

2130
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:51,719
contract yeah we could B and it's not

2131
01:45:51,719 --> 01:45:53,400
it's it's really just accountability

2132
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:54,639
right because now we're get to get into

2133
01:45:54,639 --> 01:45:58,000
colder weather and it's it's a it's a

2134
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,960
flat room so that's liquid Ash have all

2135
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:05,800
this other stuff to do so now we

2136
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:08,159
potentially getting into an area where

2137
01:46:08,159 --> 01:46:10,000
well now the weather's bad and we can't

2138
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:12,760
finish this project and that's not the

2139
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:15,599
type of contract or business that the

2140
01:46:15,599 --> 01:46:17,560
city should be entering

2141
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,960
into like any private vendor or private

2142
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:22,360
business you wouldn't want that for your

2143
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:25,080
own so I think it doesn't a public

2144
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:27,119
building that has workers in it all day

2145
01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:29,560
I mean your office you you want these

2146
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:32,159
things yeah we did have some damage um

2147
01:46:32,159 --> 01:46:34,360
we did from from rain there was one

2148
01:46:34,360 --> 01:46:36,440
night where uh the tarps they had laid

2149
01:46:36,440 --> 01:46:39,639
down blew off um I got damage in my

2150
01:46:39,639 --> 01:46:41,840
office um there was some damage in the

2151
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:45,480
oic's office um and there was also some

2152
01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:49,080
damage in the patrol Commander um office

2153
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:52,920
um they uh you know we asked them to pay

2154
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:55,119
to repair the damage most of it was

2155
01:46:55,119 --> 01:47:00,920
cosmetic um um I I was told they did um

2156
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:03,440
pay for the new new tiles and whatnot

2157
01:47:03,440 --> 01:47:07,480
there there was some some water issues

2158
01:47:07,480 --> 01:47:10,639
no the consistent rains that street were

2159
01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:13,560
flooded I'm sure your station wased it

2160
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:15,840
wasn't I thought it was I thought it was

2161
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:17,280
going to be much worse than it actually

2162
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,920
was it was it was uh relatively minor uh

2163
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:23,320
compared to some of the uh water we got

2164
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:25,960
in the building prior to them starting

2165
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:27,599
the roof sure because they had started

2166
01:47:27,599 --> 01:47:29,840
so um and luckily they had the tarpon to

2167
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:31,800
try to minimize um but I think that

2168
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:33,719
still doesn't negate the fact that in my

2169
01:47:33,719 --> 01:47:36,520
mind they haven't held up their end the

2170
01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:38,599
bargain and getting that police station

2171
01:47:38,599 --> 01:47:40,520
to where it needs to be and this is

2172
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:42,480
really coming from a place where this

2173
01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:44,199
Council and the previous Council has

2174
01:47:44,199 --> 01:47:47,400
always cought for the the police station

2175
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:49,520
and making that somewhere that is you

2176
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:52,360
know a suitable place to work and health

2177
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:53,840
you know health concerns that may arise

2178
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:56,239
from that so I'm just wanting to be on

2179
01:47:56,239 --> 01:47:57,880
top of that making sure that we're

2180
01:47:57,880 --> 01:47:59,440
holding our vendors avable and I know

2181
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:00,639
it's not something that's part of your

2182
01:48:00,639 --> 01:48:02,480
day-to-day because there are bigger fish

2183
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:05,159
in your FEA to fry but it's something

2184
01:48:05,159 --> 01:48:06,960
that's important I think General and

2185
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,440
certainly it is to me so we appreciate

2186
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:12,159
that no I I want to make sure

2187
01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:16,119
that that and also that we have a a good

2188
01:48:16,119 --> 01:48:18,280
works space for the for the the officers

2189
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:20,520
and the uh civilian employees absolutely

2190
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:22,239
yeah exactly and and knowing that we

2191
01:48:22,239 --> 01:48:23,719
have other projects that are coming down

2192
01:48:23,719 --> 01:48:25,520
the line that the Poli station needs to

2193
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:26,760
be done we need to know that they're

2194
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:28,320
going to be done in a timely manner

2195
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:30,480
people help for that timeline you know

2196
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:33,239
whoever that project manager is for this

2197
01:48:33,239 --> 01:48:36,400
clearly wasn't managing that that site

2198
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,880
properly in my opinion so Mike if we

2199
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:41,960
could follow up on that and Report out

2200
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:44,760
um what the outcome is because it does

2201
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:48,000
say you know on here some of that

2202
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:55,030
language not following through

2203
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:56,119
thank you chief for coming by I

2204
01:48:56,119 --> 01:48:58,080
appreciate that I just want you know the

2205
01:48:58,080 --> 01:48:59,679
council to be aware of that and anybody

2206
01:48:59,679 --> 01:49:01,840
in the public who might see the the

2207
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:04,760
guards still up yet um the protection Up

2208
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:06,239
on the Roof that you know it's been

2209
01:49:06,239 --> 01:49:09,480
there for a while it is still being

2210
01:49:09,480 --> 01:49:12,040
worked on and hopefully wrapping up um

2211
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:14,239
in the next couple of weeks thank you I

2212
01:49:14,239 --> 01:49:16,800
hope also C Rigo I want to thank the

2213
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:18,880
chief for coming here tonight obviously

2214
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:21,400
the issue that concerns me is U you know

2215
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:23,679
first of all happy that the roof is

2216
01:49:23,679 --> 01:49:25,560
getting done at the police station along

2217
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:28,480
overdue and we do that uh following up

2218
01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:31,199
on what councilwoman Souza said I'd like

2219
01:49:31,199 --> 01:49:33,639
to have them I'd like to have Madame

2220
01:49:33,639 --> 01:49:36,040
clerk put it on the agenda for the 17th

2221
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:38,119
of October I would like the solicitor

2222
01:49:38,119 --> 01:49:40,239
report back hopefully there is some

2223
01:49:40,239 --> 01:49:43,320
performance uh in every contract that

2224
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:45,800
hopefully the city does it here there

2225
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:47,760
should be performance con you know

2226
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:55,709
performance bonds that have to be

2227
01:49:55,719 --> 01:49:58,360
okay thank you

2228
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:00,880
uh oh yeah no no I just wanted you to

2229
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:03,000
take the notes down because oh yeah no I

2230
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:05,840
just I usually you're you're right most

2231
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,599
contracts have a performance bond so

2232
01:50:08,599 --> 01:50:09,679
they don't complete the job when they

2233
01:50:09,679 --> 01:50:10,920
don't complete they don't complete the

2234
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:13,280
job but do we have any do we put the

2235
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:15,239
timelines in scenarios like that when

2236
01:50:15,239 --> 01:50:17,440
you don't complete the job what is the I

2237
01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:19,159
mean I'll have at the contract I could

2238
01:50:19,159 --> 01:50:21,560
it could be six you know as a contractor

2239
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:22,840
you got something that could take six

2240
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:24,520
months they completed the job but for

2241
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:26,920
the men and women that protect those all

2242
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:28,760
day long I want this thing done as soon

2243
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:30,360
as possible I think there were I'll look

2244
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:31,480
into it and I'll get back to you I think

2245
01:50:31,480 --> 01:50:32,840
there were legitimate concerns with

2246
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:35,320
weather yeah well I get that I

2247
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:36,480
understand that and everything like that

2248
01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:37,880
I wouldn't want to be up there during

2249
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:39,880
that week in August when it was almost

2250
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:44,840
100 plus I I get that but if now in some

2251
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:46,960
contractors take you know bite too much

2252
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,199
you know and now now jobs are behind

2253
01:50:49,199 --> 01:50:50,880
because of that and rain and everything

2254
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:52,840
but we shouldn't be the one suffering

2255
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:54,480
and if there's something in the contract

2256
01:50:54,480 --> 01:50:57,480
that we can find them 20,000 I'm just

2257
01:50:57,480 --> 01:50:59,320
throwing out a number we we should do

2258
01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:01,440
that so I ask you in the solicitors

2259
01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:03,480
office to do that and report back on the

2260
01:51:03,480 --> 01:51:06,119
17th and I give you some homework

2261
01:51:06,119 --> 01:51:08,679
already for one of my docket items or I

2262
01:51:08,679 --> 01:51:10,320
should say the entire Council would

2263
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:11,800
probably want that so you can put in on

2264
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:13,119
the entire

2265
01:51:13,119 --> 01:51:15,800
Council on the 17 thank you who the

2266
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:18,520
chair councilman fogy please thanks for

2267
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:20,000
coming out tonight Chief appreciate

2268
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:21,920
apprciate your time and efforts it's

2269
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:25,040
unacceptable that the roof isn't done

2270
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,520
yet yeah absolutely would like to get to

2271
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:31,599
the bottom of it um I and I know they

2272
01:51:31,599 --> 01:51:35,199
also started after they uh said they

2273
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:37,360
would start because of the rain and

2274
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:38,960
finishing other jobs and then getting to

2275
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:41,800
us it set them back also um because we

2276
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:43,800
were anticipating

2277
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:46,840
them uh I can't remember the exact date

2278
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:50,040
but it was like a week week and a half

2279
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:53,239
after the anticipated start

2280
01:51:53,239 --> 01:51:55,560
date know how it works Chief I

2281
01:51:55,560 --> 01:51:57,960
appreciate your time okay thank

2282
01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:02,159
you thank you chief for coming out

2283
01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:05,599
and answering the questions appreciate

2284
01:52:05,599 --> 01:52:07,920
it I think we're getting there Madam

2285
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:11,440
clerk uh what do you have next uh I

2286
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:13,360
motion to

2287
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:17,440
adjourn second at motion

2288
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:20,440
say motion by

2289
01:52:20,440 --> 01:52:24,800
soua seconded by everybody else all in

2290
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:28,840
favor I I any opposed the eyes have it

2291
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:31,480
thank you meeting is

2292
01:52:31,480 --> 01:52:34,480
adjourned