1 00:00:14,719 --> 00:00:21,680 Yeah, I'm getting requests. >> All right. I would like to call to order 2 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:29,640 the town of East Joy Planning Commission for the month of um August, September, 3 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,640 sorry. Um 4 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:37,760 August 2nd, I'm sorry, September 2nd. >> Let's do that 5 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:44,360 » for the month of September. Mhm. >> Um, 6 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,360 everyone is uh 7 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:54,239 is uh sorry. >> You all right? 8 00:00:51,360 --> 00:01:01,520 » Everyone is is present except for um 9 00:00:59,039 --> 00:01:06,680 Jerry. Jerry >> and Smith 10 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:06,680 » and Ben Smith. 11 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:14,725 All right. Sorry. [clears throat] 12 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:23,720 So we we operate on a uh uh 13 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,000 single 14 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:34,799 sorry >> can we pause for a second? 15 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:39,360 » Yeah. Can we just please record >> I can't stop the stream. 16 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:42,400 » Are you okay? Want me to take over? >> No, I'm good. 17 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:47,680 » Okay. haven't felt great. Anyway, all right. 18 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:54,320 Um so we we operate on a single meeting 19 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:59,840 format and what we'll do is we'll have the 20 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:06,560 applicant come up tell us what they're you know what they're looking for and 21 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:09,560 then we will um 22 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:15,760 you know we'll >> talk amongst commissioners 23 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,280 » we'll deliberate amongst ourselves Y 24 00:02:16,239 --> 00:02:20,560 » my apologies. >> No, you're you're good. So, we'll we'll 25 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:26,080 deliberate amongst ourselves. So, you the applicant will come up, 26 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:31,200 » plead what you wish to have the variance for, and then we will deliberate amongst 27 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:36,239 ourselves, ask some questions to the participants. And at that point in time, 28 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:39,760 we'll ask for we'll have some conversations amongst ourselves as a 29 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:44,239 board. And then we'll ask for anybody that is in favor of the proposal to 30 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:49,280 speak. and then we'll ask for anybody that is opposed of the proposal to 31 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:54,160 speak. And at that point in time, you'll have an opportunity to have a rebuttal 32 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:59,920 before we have our final discussions and discussion. Uh typically what happens in 33 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:06,560 these meetings is if we don't have anything of concern, we could possibly 34 00:03:02,239 --> 00:03:11,920 move to a vote at this meeting. But we do have the right to move forward to the 35 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:18,319 next meeting if there are some concerns um presented tonight that we need to 36 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:24,560 address. Okay. So, I'd like to have the spokesperson please come up and uh 37 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:32,560 » Well, hold on. The first first item on the agenda is to review the um minutes 38 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:37,280 from last month. Anybody have any issues with the 39 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,000 minutes from last month? >> I'll make a motion to approve and I'll 40 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,680 second that. >> Motion to approve. Second. All those in 41 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,480 favor? >> I 42 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,720 » I >> opposed. 43 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:54,640 Motion carries. Next item on the agenda is a variance. 44 00:03:52,400 --> 00:04:02,400 Shorland W178 45 00:03:56,959 --> 00:04:07,879 Lake Road Maguano parcel pet PPP PPT 0000003 46 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:14,239 got one >> you please. 47 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:19,359 » Yes, please. >> Hello guys. Um 48 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:24,560 my name is Lance Johnson. Uh my company is 9 Square Design and I'm representing 49 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:30,560 Kyle Worm tonight on his project out at uh W1785 Lake Road. Um Kyle sends his 50 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:35,600 apologies. He wishes he could be here. He is on business in Nevada, so I'm 51 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:37,600 representing him by myself. Um so I guess I'll explain how this kind of 52 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:43,680 started. I don't want to get too longwinded, but we went into the zoning 53 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:47,680 um office for the county and um I had kind of a discovery meeting with Darren 54 00:04:45,919 --> 00:04:52,560 and um we realized pretty quickly that we were within the deck is within the 75 55 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:57,440 ft of the back um the the lake line or the shoreline. So, um I had to come up 56 00:04:55,040 --> 00:05:03,280 with a solution that where we could possibly keep building and move on on 57 00:05:00,479 --> 00:05:06,160 the project and treat the deck. Um I guess we decided to treat it as a 58 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:09,680 separate project so we could start building. So, I separated the two 59 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:13,840 projects. We got the permit on the house and we are underway for the construction 60 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:17,759 for the um the renovation of the main home right now. And we're just um kind 61 00:05:15,919 --> 00:05:21,680 of hoping and waiting on the variance. What we're asking for is about two more 62 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:29,360 feet of deck toward the lake in the back. Right now, it's about a 5ft 10 63 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:32,880 cantalvered deck that's in disrepair. Um doesn't meet code. I mean, the can lever 64 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:37,120 alone wouldn't meet modern codes, but the deck the railing is too uh short and 65 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:41,360 uh it's just in this repair. So, it would be we'd be replacing it either 66 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:46,080 way. Um and in this process, when I talked to Kyle, he was he wanted to do 67 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:49,360 uh the neighbor to the east, I don't know if we have that picture I sent, but 68 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,160 they have a twotory deck with a full covered roof that goes at the back. 69 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:56,880 That's what he originally had wanted, and that's the plan we brought down to 70 00:05:53,840 --> 00:06:01,919 Darren to submit. And um we've had to uh ditch that plan. But when I t when I sat 71 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:06,400 Kyle down, we had a meeting. I got the heart of what he really wanted. I mean, 72 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:13,600 he wanted the big large decks, but really what he wanted was a nice a 73 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:18,720 bigger space to walk out onto. Um, a better deck, you know, better 74 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:22,319 condition and a cover. Um, a little more space and some cover. The sun, I guess, 75 00:06:21,039 --> 00:06:26,400 just drenches them back there and it's almost unusable in some times of the 76 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:31,199 year, the summer months, obviously, when you want to use it the most. So, his 77 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:33,759 real concerns were um I forget um a place to go out from his master bedroom 78 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:38,560 to have a coffee in the morning or something small. So, the second story 79 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:42,400 deck that was proposed to be 8x 28 on the second story was way too big. So, we 80 00:06:41,039 --> 00:06:48,080 essentially brought that into the master bedroom as a covered porch under the 81 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:53,120 main um you can see uh just behind and above the right there that's a small 82 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:57,280 5x12 kind of a breakfast nook uh deck area, coffee area that satisfied that 83 00:06:55,440 --> 00:07:01,840 requirement. So, we've essentially reduced it to one story with a cover and 84 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:08,639 hopefully we can gain that 2'2 in toward the lake. I think we're with we're at 65 85 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:11,520 63 ft right now. Um, and I guess if we don't get the variance, what we would 86 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:16,240 we'd be able to rebuild the deck as it is in the exact configuration with no 87 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:20,319 improvements, no cover, no larger size. Um, and I'd have to post it because we 88 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,720 can't can we cannot leave it can levered the way it is. So, something has to be 89 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:27,360 done. So, it's going to be tore off either way. Um, so that's kind of the 90 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:31,280 history and um, this is my first meeting for variance, so I apologize. So I 91 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:35,599 appreciate your guidance and um, guidance with me on this, but um, I 92 00:07:33,919 --> 00:07:41,039 guess that's the long and short of what we're trying to trying to achieve. 93 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:45,759 And the lot itself is very I don't know if you've seen the plot. It's very one 94 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:51,680 at one spot he's 175 ft from the lake and then it hooks in and he's within 95 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:56,639 that's where he's 65 63 feet away. So, you know, 75 65 to 75% of the back lot 96 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:01,039 almost shoots straight out. It's just that weird shoreline that kind of makes 97 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:04,879 it difficult and um to achieve what we're trying to achieve. It's that short 98 00:08:02,879 --> 00:08:09,840 distance that that curve. And as far as the neighbors, um the one to the east 99 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:13,039 has that twotory deck. They're out front of us by 16 ft. So, that's not going to 100 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,720 their views, nothing's going to hurt them. the the neighbors to the west who 101 00:08:15,599 --> 00:08:21,840 have been more in communication with theirs around Elmore. They um verbally I 102 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,639 don't believe have had any issues with the deck that we're proposing and 103 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:28,960 they're they're the they're the opposite. They're further back. They're 104 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:32,000 quite a ways to the north. So, it isn't going to change much for them either. 105 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:36,159 And there's a large tree uh and that will be there forever. But, um I think 106 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:39,680 overall for the neighbors, it's not going to have too much of a 107 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:44,080 negative effect at all. and then watershed and items like that. We're 108 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:50,760 within all other um code compliance with the deck. It's just simply this one ask 109 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,760 of the the waterfront issue. 110 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:58,640 » I'm going to see how that scoop happens. >> And just to clarify right now with the 111 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:03,200 canal lever and everything, you're within that 75 ft setback. 112 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:06,399 » We are 63 feet right now to the corner of the deck. We are yes within. Yes. 113 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,880 » So you're non-conforming as >> correct. probably grandfather in 114 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,320 whatever you would >> asking to rebuild it slightly bigger by 115 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:15,519 two feet >> correct 116 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,480 » and no longer can lever you're going to have post 117 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:22,720 » yep posted three posts yep beam and then um hopefully like I say the cover um 118 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:26,000 just for for shade probably with a steel roof I believe is what we're going to do 119 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:33,440 there >> and so the existing condition now just 120 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:38,720 so we can clarify the picture is the deck comes off call it the first 121 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:43,200 floor, but it's can levered and you're looking for a roof structure. Even 122 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:46,240 though you're adding a little breakfast nook off the top, 123 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:50,240 » you're looking you're not going to have a walk out to the second story. This is 124 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,920 just going to be a canlevered covered porch. 125 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:56,800 » And essentially this existing can levered deck, you're going to add two 126 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,880 more feet, >> correct 127 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:02,080 » to that. And the existing should be in the packet somewhere, I believe, if you 128 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:05,440 want to see what the the drawing of the existing is. I thought it was in there, 129 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:07,839 but if not, I can bring it up on my phone. 130 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:14,560 » Oh, more more of the civils is what I'm kind of I'm looking at. I'm a I'm a 131 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:18,320 civil guy, so I I like to take a >> maybe and maybe the existing deck is 132 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,200 actually lined right here. So, I can see that. Okay. 133 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:26,839 » You can see it's the existing, but it doesn't show much detail here. 134 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,839 » Sure. Okay. 135 00:10:32,079 --> 00:10:37,480 Great. Any other questions? So, we have it. 136 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:47,279 » You know, to me, you're essentially asking to rebuild what's there. It is 137 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:51,440 non-conforming. Um, if there was any opposition from the neighbors, you know, 138 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:56,399 with a a view obstruction or something, I could see there being an issue, but, 139 00:10:54,720 --> 00:11:01,360 you know, that's just how I see it. That's, you know, for discussion. And 140 00:10:59,279 --> 00:11:07,839 I'm looking at the the site plan, the the civil too here and the adjacent 141 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:11,920 property to the east is actually set forward that has the deck that you've 142 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:18,480 referenced. >> Um and then again the civil drawing 143 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:23,760 shows the uh property to the west that clearly would not have any sighteline 144 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:30,880 impact especially for an extra 2 feet from what is existing now. Um, I'm also 145 00:11:26,959 --> 00:11:36,880 noting that there's almost a 30 foot elevation change between 146 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:40,880 lake level and ground level at the walk out basement. 147 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:45,200 So, there's there's a significant elevation change there that it can helps 148 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:48,959 with the sightelines. And if I could add to that's I'm glad you went up. Usable 149 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:52,160 space is difficult on this lot for the back. So, this is part of the usable 150 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,600 space. He's trying to get just a little bit, you know, cuz that's important. 151 00:11:53,839 --> 00:11:58,640 most of it is is and they're going to do some retaining wall work next year, I 152 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:02,560 believe, and and do some changes. But that is difficult to deal with with just 153 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:06,560 entertainment and casual space. That's what he's trying to gain a little bit 154 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:10,560 more that way. But yeah, and certainly those conversations, you know, for 155 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:15,839 another time as far as disturbance within that 75 ft and structures. But 156 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:21,160 but yeah, I mean I you know talking amongst us here I um it's 157 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:31,519 it seems reasonable for uh what what's requested here tonight. Um but certainly 158 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:36,320 just for structural safety purposes of existing build building codes that you'd 159 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:39,279 have to go to post construction whether it's covered or not. 160 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:42,399 » Yeah. And and I think too he wants to bring it up kind of with there are 161 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:46,880 adding on we're tearing out the second floor and adding a little bit of space 162 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:51,279 but reconfiguring it and he wants to kind of bring it up as well with the 163 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:54,959 kind of the um the overall achieve kind of the overall essence of the the 164 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,279 improvement. You know what I mean? So that's one thing we want to do with the 165 00:12:56,079 --> 00:13:00,880 deck is bring it up just a little bit. We're not asking for a ton I don't think 166 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:05,680 but um I don't know the variance world and how it you know it's my first time 167 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:10,160 in it but um yeah it's just that we're remodeling it all. um and just wants to 168 00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:12,399 bring it up a little bit to be in keeping with the remodel that we're 169 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:16,079 doing. >> Are you extending the second story 170 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:20,639 outward toward the lake as well? >> Nope. It'll be within the foundation. 171 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:25,920 » So the the existing structure will be within the foundation of 100%. 172 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:27,839 » Okay. All right. Julie, you have anything else? 173 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:32,800 » No. >> Okay. Um 174 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:37,839 amongst us, do we have any >> no sense? 175 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:43,200 » Questions to All right. Thank you. Anybody in the audience like to speak in 176 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:51,519 favor of proposal? Anyone like to speak against proposal? 177 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:52,560 Then I would take a >> Okay. 178 00:13:52,079 --> 00:13:57,199 » Motion. >> Um well based on the information 179 00:13:54,959 --> 00:14:02,880 presented tonight, um I think this is a reasonable 180 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:08,320 proposal. Um we always have to take into consideration the setback laws that are 181 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:15,600 established. Um certainly the residents that are here and can we have any 182 00:14:12,079 --> 00:14:21,600 hardship presented to them by approving something tonight. Um but based on 183 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:27,639 elevation change, based on the adjacent uh properties and the configuration of 184 00:14:28,079 --> 00:14:35,199 you know the parcel as a whole and and certainly you can see the the 185 00:14:32,079 --> 00:14:42,639 challenging nature of uh the elevation drop and the narrow nature of the of the 186 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:47,440 property itself. Um I think this is a reasonable request. 187 00:14:45,839 --> 00:14:54,000 Do we have a motion? >> I will offer the motion tonight that we 188 00:14:50,320 --> 00:15:03,399 approve uh the conditional use our conditional approval of the building as 189 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:03,399 presented for parcel number PPT 00003. 190 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,839 » Uh we have a motion. Do we have a second? 191 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,519 » I'll second. >> All those in favor? 192 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:16,360 » I I opposed. 193 00:15:12,959 --> 00:15:16,360 » Motion carries. 194 00:15:20,639 --> 00:15:22,800 Thank you. >> Thank you. 195 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:28,800 » You bet. >> Thank you. 196 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:34,079 » Thank you. >> If there's no other public comment or 197 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:36,399 other business amongst commissioners, I would take 198 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,680 » a motion to adjurnn. >> Second. 199 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,639 » Motion to adjurnn and second. All those in favor? 200 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:46,320 » I oppos. >> We're journ. Thank you.