[0:03] [music] [0:06] » Hey East Ham, welcome back to Turn It Up East Ham, the town's official podcast. [0:10] My name is Kayla Arcaro and I am the town's communication coordinator. Today [0:14] I'm joined by Paul Lag, our community development director. [0:17] In this episode, we're going to discuss the upcoming zoning amendments and what [0:20] they will look like at our May town meeting. We know zoning can feel [0:24] complicated, but it affects all of us in a community as a whole. [0:28] So Paul, let's get started and kind of talk about what these amendments mean [0:32] for our community. Okay, well thanks for having me. A pleasure to be here, Kayla. [0:36] Yeah. Uh this year's town meeting has a slate of different zoning amendments and [0:41] they cover a range of topics from uh affordable housing to prohibited [0:47] uses, uh sign code, and some zoning administration items. So it's a wide [0:52] variety of things that um are important topics for this year's [0:56] town meeting. Awesome. And kind of just to back up a little bit, can we talk [1:00] about what exactly zoning is and why it's important for our community? [1:04] Sure. So zoning is essentially the practice of [1:09] dividing the town into different zones or districts. And the reason we do this [1:13] is to have land uses that are compatible and [1:17] appropriate for the different parts of town. So [1:20] the goal is to have residential zones and where they are appropriate as [1:25] opposed to commercial and industrial zones and so we don't necessarily end up [1:28] with an industrial factory located right next to a residential area. [1:33] Um compatibility of uses creates a predictable [1:37] development pattern and we want to make sure that really the zoning works for [1:42] the and you know, the enjoyment of the residents so that we have uh quality of [1:46] life and the character of the community is [1:49] uh is maintained. Okay. And so I know you don't do this by [1:53] yourself. Um the zoning task force plays a big part in this and I know you've [1:56] been really hard at work with them over the last couple years. Can you kind of [2:00] explain how they fit into all of this? Sure. [2:04] So, the Zoning Task Force is a an advisory group that was appointed [2:09] about 6 years ago by the Select Board. It's comprised of representatives from [2:13] the Planning Board, the Zoning Board, the Affordable Housing Trust, and our [2:18] newest member is a representative from the Climate Action Group, and we have [2:22] some at-large members. So, they're advisory to the Select Board, and [2:26] they're really tasked with examining the zoning bylaws to identify areas that [2:31] need improvement and make recommendations that ultimately go to [2:34] the Select Board and to Town Meeting. The approach that and and myself and my [2:39] staff work closely with the task force. The approach that we've taken over last [2:43] few years is to um look at the other guiding documents. [2:48] So, we have the zoning bylaw, but we look at the other guiding documents of [2:50] the town, our strategic plan, our housing plan, our open space plan, a lot [2:55] of various plans, and they all have recommendations and action items in each [2:59] one. So, what we try to do is look at the zoning bylaw and identify [3:03] areas where the zoning bylaw is not in alignment with [3:07] the action items and the goals of the community, and then we make [3:10] recommendations for changes to allow those other priorities to happen so that [3:15] the zoning will complement and align with those other priorities. So, that's [3:18] the basic approach that the task force takes, and that's where the [3:21] recommendations really come from. Okay, so you would say that the um these [3:26] changes happen yearly, and that the driving factors would be those other [3:30] reports that the town follows? Yeah, so these the strategic plan [3:35] particularly, but again all we have a lot of different plans and a lot of hard [3:38] work and effort that goes into all those plans. Our probably our most recent [3:41] plan, the Climate Action Plan, is an example of that, and so [3:45] we want to make sure that the zoning which really controls the land use and [3:50] the development patterns are able to not be not get in the way of [3:55] the goals of the other town of the other um [3:58] development plans in town. Okay. So, I know at the beginning um you mentioned [4:03] that inclusionary zoning is going to be a change on this year's warrant. [4:07] Um so we'll start with the housing and kind [4:11] of the topic that's on everyone's mind. Inclusionary zoning is all about [4:16] creating affordable and workforce housing in town, but it comes with its [4:19] own challenges. So, can you explain the purpose of [4:23] inclusionary zoning bylaw and why the town has a 10% [4:28] subsidized housing inventory? Sure. So, inclusionary zoning is a regulatory [4:34] tool that tries to use the development of market rate housing as a mechanism to [4:40] create affordable and workforce housing. And it's a it's a common tool, a lot of [4:44] towns have it, and there's different ways it can be um the the bylaw can be [4:48] created and implemented in Eastham. What it means is that [4:53] when someone proposes to develop five or more housing units and then when we're [4:57] talking about market rate units, the inclusionary zoning bylaw basically [5:02] requires that the developer create a certain percentage [5:06] of those units that are either affordable or [5:09] workforce. Um [5:13] where the 20 where the the 10% goal comes into effect is [5:19] the state of Massachusetts has a broad goal that [5:23] they would like to see every community in the Commonwealth achieve at least 10% [5:28] of their year-round housing stock to be affordable. [5:31] Um the mechanism for tracking that is um [5:37] what's called the subsidized housing inventory or the SHI list. [5:42] And that's that's what the state that's the official tally that the state has to [5:45] say how for each community what what is your percentage of affordable housing. [5:50] Our inclusionary bylaw is set up to basically create SHI units. So, we get [5:55] credit towards that 10%. But, um [6:00] I guess it's important to note that, you know, that's an important goal, but it's [6:03] not the only goal that Eastham has to, you [6:07] know, deal with our housing issues. So, we want to try to have um [6:12] units that are affordable and attainable and also have workforce units. And we [6:15] really need housing at every affordability level and really for every [6:20] um e- every sector. Um [6:24] » [snorts] >> So, as I said, the inclusionary zoning [6:27] bylaw is really set up to have these units that get created counted on the [6:30] SHI. Um [6:33] that becomes a bit of a hurdle for small-scale projects and [6:38] um local developers. Um because [6:42] the requirements to get counted on the state's list can be onerous and to be [6:46] honest, can be quite expensive. It involves running [6:49] um housing lotteries and doing a lot of um [6:53] due diligence work, which the danger is that um [6:57] smaller-scale developers who aren't really [7:00] set up to handle these these expenses and these costs, [7:05] they may decide not to do their project or they may decide to drop the number of [7:09] units and kind of fall below that inclusionary zoning bylaw trigger. [7:14] And uh we want to avoid that because either way, Eastham, the community loses [7:18] out on potential how- affordable and workforce units. So, [7:22] » Okay. So, what exactly are the proposed changes in this amendment for this year? [7:26] Right. So, um as I said, the the current bylaw is set [7:30] up to make every unit that we create through [7:33] this bylaw count on the SHI. Again, that's an important goal, but it's not [7:36] our only goal. So, the main um change that we're proposing is to [7:41] basically create um some flexibility for the developers so [7:46] that not every unit that gets created necessarily has to count on the state's [7:51] SHI. We want to create local action units that have the [7:57] necessary protection so that they remain affordable and workforce but don't [8:01] necessarily require the developer to go through all of the um [8:06] mechanisms that required by the state in order to get on the SHI. And what that [8:10] really means is that um there's as I said develop some [8:15] flexibility for developers. And when I say developers, what we really have seen [8:19] um lately and what we anticipate in the [8:21] future, it's not really professional housing developers. It's really local [8:25] businesses who are trying to reinvest in their [8:29] commercial properties um and add some housing, add some [8:32] apartments and really for their workforce and for our local workforce. [8:36] So we want to make sure this bylaw works for that [8:39] um situation. And so it's really trying to have some [8:44] flexibility. At the same time um [8:47] we are making some adjustments to make sure that while we're having the [8:50] flexibility for the developers, we want to make sure that we have [8:53] proper controls on the town side. And all of this really runs through the [8:56] planning board. They're the they're the um entity that makes these [9:00] um approvals. So we want to make sure the planning board has the proper [9:03] regulatory tools to make sure that what's best and what's in the best [9:06] interest for the town um is also handled when we have these types of [9:10] developments. Okay. So from like a broader perspective, why do you think [9:14] this is important for our community? Would you say the flexibility and the [9:18] affordability or kind of just as a whole um [9:22] being able to add to a thriving year-round community? [9:26] Well, I'd say given the housing crisis that we have, you [9:30] know, anything we do on housing is vitally important and it touches [9:34] everybody's life because it's where we live, it's our workforce, it's our [9:38] caretakers, it's our whole community. So, [9:42] um I think broadly it's just in it's [9:44] important to the whole community. I think um [9:47] but the flexibility piece I think is probably the single [9:51] biggest part of from my view of what we're trying to do to make sure that we [9:54] don't lose the opportunity for again, the local It's not It's not [9:58] professional housing developers that this amendment's geared towards, it's [10:01] our local businesses who aren't in necessarily in the housing game, but [10:05] they're trying to carve out some units to serve the local [10:09] need. So, um and it goes back to balancing [10:12] the goals of the town, which is to yes, make progress on the state's SHI towards [10:16] that 10%, but we need affordable units, we need workforce units at all [10:20] affordability levels. So, this is really trying to balance [10:24] the regulatory tools to account for um all the needs of the community. Okay, [10:28] that makes sense, and it sounds like a great change to what we currently [10:31] already have. Um [10:33] I will mention that the inclusionary inclusionary zoning bylaw is quite [10:37] intense and complicated. Um there's a lot more information than just what Paul [10:41] covered, so please view our website, talk with Paul if you have questions to [10:45] fully understand um what's being presented at town meeting. [10:49] So, to kind of wrap that up and move on, um another [10:53] » [clears throat] >> proposed change that we have coming up [10:55] at town meeting is a sign code, and we all are obviously familiar with signs [10:59] and see them all over um our community every day. So, can you [11:03] kind of touch on what is coming with that change? [11:07] Sure. So, um part of it is really um [11:13] clarifying some language to um to tighten up some ambiguity in in the [11:18] bylaw. Um And really to make it more consistent. [11:24] Um I guess the main The main takeaways are [11:28] there are um parts of the proposal that would [11:31] prohibit certain types of um signs, um particularly the um feather or the [11:37] flag signs, which are kind of the ones you see out on the roadway a lot um [11:42] on the monopole. And um our bylaw sign code really doesn't address those right [11:47] now, so there's a lot of ambiguity about whether they're allowed or not. Um [11:52] again, the task force does a lot of background work, a lot of research. We [11:56] try to get input. Um and we did have um a feedback session and work session with [12:02] zoning board, planning board, select board. And this the feedback we got was [12:05] that um the most appropriate thing to do would be just to prohibit those types of [12:09] signs. And primarily, it's a safety issue. Um Route 6 [12:14] is a dangerous roadway. You know, we're working to make improvements on that, [12:18] but we already prohibit um um [12:22] electronic billboard signs and signs with scrolling messaging and so forth. [12:26] And you know, those are distracting those are distractions. And this is akin [12:29] to that. So, it's really you know, rooted in trying to make sure we don't [12:33] have roadside distractions on an already built busy [12:36] roadway. Um I guess the other thing I'll mention [12:39] on that is the other [12:43] piece of the sign code is to um limit the amount of time that um short-term [12:47] rental signs can be displayed on residential properties. [12:50] Again, this is kind of a new phenomenon where you know, with the rise of of [12:54] these short-term rentals, um these types of signs have been [12:58] getting installed on properties and in neighborhoods. And it really what the um [13:03] amendment would do is basically require that [13:06] those types of signs could only be displayed between May and October. [13:10] And going back to my original point, trying to make it um [13:13] clarify, make it consistent with other parts of the sign code. So, we already [13:17] have regulations on the traditional real estate signs, the for sale signs, the [13:22] sold signs. And they those can only be displayed for certain amounts of time. [13:25] So, we're trying to make it consistent and fair [13:28] um with the real estate signs. So, I think [13:30] those are kind of the two big takeaways on the sign code. Okay. Those make [13:34] sense. Um can you kind of touch on if you think that this will affect local [13:39] businesses or short-term rental owners? [13:45] I think um again, it's it's an issue of trying to [13:49] make sure that the code is fair and consistent. Um [13:54] every time you introduce a piece of [13:57] regulation, there's going to be, you know, pros and cons. We try to make [14:00] um the recommendations that seem um [14:04] in best alignment with the purpose of the zoning bylaw and the goals of the [14:08] community and um what we're trying to preserve as far as [14:11] community character. So, would you say that there's [14:14] additional benefits than just safety to our community? Is it [14:19] to make it more uniform or kind of just go back to everything being consistent? [14:24] Yeah. Um I think guys goes back to the first [14:27] question of what is what is zoning and [14:31] it's really um it's a method to try to [14:36] um make sure that the general welfare of the community is [14:41] is guarded and upheld and that we, you know, have rules and regulations that [14:44] give the greatest benefit to the greatest amount of people and as I said, [14:48] there's going to be pros and cons and different viewpoints. [14:52] So, what we try to look at what is the overall intent and purpose of [14:58] the community. What's the character of the community? What are the What are the [15:01] um you know, the goals of the community? And then we try to align those [15:04] regulations as best we can to serve that purpose. [15:08] Okay. So, I think we wrapped up the sign code. Um [15:12] obviously, there's still signs allowed in town and those will still be approved [15:15] by the building department for use. Yes, so sign permits are issued by the [15:19] building department. I guess it I should um mention that you know there are still [15:25] a lot of opportunities for ample signage in the sign code. So, businesses are [15:29] allowed to have their permanent signs. You can still have sandwich board signs. [15:33] You can have open flags. You can have a variety of different signs. So, again, [15:37] we're you try to be sensitive to the needs of the business community. It's [15:40] obviously very important. So, it's as I mentioned, it's trying to balance what's [15:44] in the best interest of the overall community without putting too much [15:47] detrimental impact on the businesses. But, it's always a balancing act. Yeah. [15:52] » [clears throat] >> Okay. So, we're going to move on to our [15:54] next zoning change, and that is prohibited uses. [15:58] So, I think this is going to be a big one for discussion at town meeting. So, [16:01] if you could kind of just cover the overview of what these prohibited [16:05] uses will be in the article. Sure. So, [16:10] there's a few different components to this. Um [16:14] I guess the first one I'll start with is the [16:17] proposed amendment in prohibited uses. The first one would be to prohibit [16:21] um the use of formula businesses or what what you would think of as chain store [16:26] businesses. And also the drive-thru facilities. [16:30] Those would be prohibited in district E, which is the commercial district in and [16:36] around town hall, the windmill green, and so forth. [16:39] Um last year we did some zoning amendment [16:42] changes that basically prohibited those uses in the northeast town corridor [16:46] special district, which is the area in and around Bracket Road. That's our [16:49] primary commercial district. This year we're proposing basically the [16:54] same prohibition on district E. And it's really for [16:59] again, consistency and clarity in the bylaw. [17:01] Um and to [17:04] you know, really set the expectation of what's in the best interest of the town, [17:07] which as the work that's gone into a lot of the zoning work in the past year few [17:11] years in the strategic plan has really focused on making sure we [17:15] um protect the character of the town as it is now and keep Eastham unique and [17:20] special as it is and and and really on the formula business it's to try to, you [17:24] know, protect our local businesses and our local small scale um, commercial [17:30] aspects from outside influences which would be maybe seen as inappropriate or [17:35] counter to what we're trying to preserve here in Eastham. [17:39] In the drive-thru facilities uh, again, counter to what we're trying to do on [17:43] Route 6 which is already busy roadway, dangerous um, drive-thru facilities by [17:48] their nature are vehicle oriented and so really [17:53] everything we're trying to do with zoning and land use is to lessen the [17:56] impact and make it safer on Route 6. So, again, um, [18:00] recommending that those be prohibited in the [18:03] our commercial districts. Okay. So, [18:07] » [clears throat] >> also within the that same article, [18:10] there's going to be a few more topics. There's, um, storage containers and, um, [18:15] some changes to the RV and camper bylaw. Right. [18:20] If you want to talk on that. >> sticking, yeah, so sticking with the [18:23] prohibited uses, um, there's a proposal that would deal with [18:28] fences and this gets a little uh, little wordy, so I'll try to, um, [18:33] break it down as as best I can. So, what the proposal is would be [18:39] to prohibit the use of non-natural materials [18:44] on solid panel fences along street facing property lines. So, [18:49] that's kind of a lot, but um, the zoning task force looked at this [18:55] issue and found that this is kind of a an issue that's starting to arise in a [19:00] lot of towns. We don't see it too much here in Eastham, so this is trying to be [19:03] proactive, but the use of vinyl fences, specifically [19:06] white vinyl fences and, um, kind of the detrimental impact that can have on the [19:11] character of the community. Um it's something that the task force [19:15] felt strongly that if we, you know, allow that to proliferate in town, it [19:19] would kind of take away from again the quality and character of our town, which [19:22] is really rural and a lot of greenery, a lot of street a [19:26] lot of treescapes and naturalized buffers in town. [19:30] And um so this is just trying to put a [19:32] guardrail on very limited instances and on the use of materials on [19:38] fences. So again, this would just be solid panel fences along your [19:42] street-facing property line. [19:45] Side and rear um fences, no change at all. You could basically you can do [19:50] whatever you like, any kind of material, anything you like. [19:53] Um picket fences, split rail fences, [19:57] there's really no change. We're just talking about where someone wants to put [20:00] up a stockade or solid panel fence, they would be [20:03] basically it would it would require you to use [20:06] um a wood a wood material or some natural material. Okay, so for [20:10] homeowners that already have this, are they kind of exempt until they need to [20:14] replace or how are we going to handle that? Yes, absolutely. So any this would [20:18] not affect any existing fence. Um those are exempt. It would those could [20:23] remain in place until such time that they [20:26] um are replaced and at that point the new fence would have to adhere to the [20:32] the new requirement. Okay, so um would this be enforced by the building [20:37] department or like flagged in a permanent process? [20:40] Uh it would be part of the enforcement um [20:45] that happens in um the building division. [20:48] Um I think the first step that we try to do and and I got to admit, you know, we [20:53] need to do a better job, my department, but um is education and outreach and [20:57] making sure people understand these new regulations and what they mean [21:01] and when they take effect and, you know, what the [21:04] what the issues are. So that's something I got to prioritize in [21:08] our department and make sure we get the word out if these if these new rules go [21:11] into effect so that folks are are aware of them. And then the goal with that is [21:15] to lessen the impact of having to do enforcement. [21:19] Right. And a fence doesn't currently require a [21:22] permit, correct? So it would be all up to public [21:25] education and making sure our community knows. Okay. [21:29] » Um so I guess that kind of wraps up the fences. [21:32] Um now we'll move on to the next prohibited [21:35] use. Um would you like to start with storage containers? [21:39] Sure. So um storage containers again, the [21:44] the proposal is to prohibit the use of metal storage containers, shipping [21:49] containers on residential properties. Again, this is something that the task [21:54] force looked at as sort of a um a phenomenon that's trying to take [22:00] effect. It's not quite overly prevalent in East Hampton, but again, it's trying [22:03] to be proactive to avoid, you know, potential issues in the future. Um [22:08] so we're talking about metal shipping containers. [22:11] Um and really the question goes back to [22:16] your first question, what is zoning and why do we have it? And it's really um [22:20] to try to have guardrails on uses and um appropriate uses in different [22:26] parts of uh different parts of our community. So the question really comes [22:31] down to whether these um containers, which are really [22:35] industrial, commercial units and intended for, you know, global [22:40] shipping, whether those are appropriate use [22:44] to be in residential use for essentially storage units or sheds. And [22:49] again, the task force has looked a lot at this issue. [22:52] Um I know there's some differences of opinion out there, so it you know, we've [22:57] had discussions with the select board and the task force and it's an ongoing [23:00] discussion. I think probably it'll continue um the next select board [23:04] hearing, but um it really is just a question of what's [23:10] what's appropriate, what does the community feel is appropriate um [23:14] for the types of uses and the types of materials used for [23:17] for storage in the residential zones. Okay, so um how is this going to affect [23:23] business owners, homeowners that may have these already? [23:27] So um assuming this prohibition went into [23:31] effect, there would be no change to the existing [23:36] folks that have existing containers, they could keep them until such time as [23:40] they, you know, get rid of them. [23:43] Um they would be treated as structures just [23:46] like a shed or an accessory building, so, you [23:49] know, we would be working to make sure that where they [23:52] do exist, they meet the proper setbacks from their property lines. [23:56] Um there is an exception in the proposal that would allow [24:01] um folks who are running a home occupation as a trade service, so [24:05] landscapers, you know, folks like that that are [24:08] operating out of their house, they could have one of these containers [24:12] to store their equipment. Um the requirement would be that the container [24:16] would have to be um concealed with some fencing or landscaping and so forth, but [24:21] it does allow them to have one container. And again, folks that have [24:26] them already could keep them as long as they meet the proper [24:30] um setbacks. Okay, so would this also [24:33] require a permit with the building department? [24:37] Yes, so again, we would treat them like other accessory structures, sheds, and [24:42] so forth. Um we want to make sure that they meet [24:45] the appropriate setbacks, and that we do that through building permit. Okay. And [24:49] so I think we have one left, that'd be campers and trailers. Um I know we [24:53] currently have this bylaw, so I think it's just some changes, it's nothing [24:56] really new. Yeah, so this this isn't necessarily prohibited use. We're [25:00] actually trying to do the opposite. We're trying to allow this as a [25:03] permitted use. So, currently um [25:07] the regulation requires that anyone who wants to store a camper, an RV, a [25:12] recreational vehicle, um vehicle trailer on their property [25:17] is supposed to get a permit through the select board. [25:21] There isn't really um a good [25:24] procedure around it. It's just kind of one of those rules that is on the books [25:28] and um you know, to be honest, it [25:31] it gets ignored a lot. Not a lot of folks come forth, so um kind of [25:35] recognizing that and recognizing that, you know, there are a lot of folks who [25:39] have these types of vehicles, we just want to actually make it easier [25:43] and less burdensome. So, the proposal is to remove the requirement for the permit [25:48] and to make the storage of these vehicles a by right. [25:53] The only um change is that the vehicles will have to meet um [25:58] certain setbacks from your property line. [26:01] And so, we're trying to again trying to streamline things, make it easier, but [26:04] ensure that there's some basic um guardrails on it just to protect [26:10] against, you know, potential nuisance issues with abutters and especially um [26:14] potential issues with um traffic safety, site clearances if [26:19] you have things close to the road sticking out into the road impeding um [26:22] line of sight as you're pulling out of a driveway. So, that's why um that's why [26:27] the requirement for the setbacks is to make sure we have some basic safety [26:30] parameters. There is um [26:33] in the proposed amendment, there is a language that allows someone who has a [26:38] hardship that maybe can't meet the basic setback requirements, but wants to store [26:43] one of these vehicles, there is the capacity for that person to go to the [26:47] zoning board of appeals and seek a special permit [26:52] for extenuating circumstances. and then the the zoning board could make a [26:55] decision and it mitigate, you know, they could allow it and maybe have a [26:58] condition to mitigate any issues that they might um [27:01] they might identify, but again, it's just to allow folks to be able to keep [27:05] these vehicles and really do away with a regulation that really wasn't [27:10] effective in the first place. That makes sense. And will the permit request still [27:14] go through the select board? No, so again, the the only time it would [27:19] be required would be if there was a hardship with meeting the setbacks. And [27:23] in that case, it would go to the zoning board of appeals. Okay. So, the change [27:27] will just allow property owners to up to their discretion follow the bylaw, [27:32] but make the changes. >> Right. Yeah, so basically you have a [27:34] camper and RV in your yard. If you can meet the basic setback, you don't need [27:38] to do anything. Just just park the vehicle where it's supposed to be and [27:43] no problem. Well, I think that sounds more helpful than what we currently [27:47] have, so Yeah, I think so, too. Um [27:51] So, that kind of wraps up all of our zoning changes coming for our [27:56] May town meeting. Overall, how do you think our community [28:00] is going to take these and what do you think the benefits are? [28:05] Uh well, I just I just do want to mention we didn't cover all of the [28:08] zoning. Um there is a variety of them, but I think we focused on the the most [28:13] important ones, which was important. So, there are some changes to our [28:16] residential um site coverage bylaw. [28:20] Um but again, those are aimed at streamlining um regulations and making [28:24] it more clear, but I think we focused on the most high-profile [28:28] ones. Um So, I think just just [28:32] generally I would say um you know, I guess I keep going back to [28:37] your first question of what is zoning and why is it important. Um [28:41] it's easy to kind of look at it as a you know, boring, complicated document with [28:45] a bunch of rules and regulations, but it really does affect the fabric of the [28:49] community, the look and feel of the whole community. [28:53] What types of businesses, what types of amenities can happen, what types of [28:58] activities can happen. So, it's definitely a document that [29:01] folks should be familiar with and take an active part in. And so, really um [29:07] it's important that folks understand what these what these amendments are. Um [29:12] And ultimately, um it's up to the voters. At town meeting, [29:17] they get to set they get to decide what's appropriate for a community and [29:21] what what they want to see. Um but again, a lot of lot of hard work has [29:24] gone into the recommendations, a lot of discussion. [29:28] Um all of this information is on the town's [29:31] website. Mhm. And there's a recommendations report um that kind of [29:35] summarizes. Again, it's a lot of Some of it is technical and difficult language, [29:40] but we um try to break it down in our summary report [29:43] to make it um as easy as possible to [29:47] to understand. And you'll be available if residents have questions? [29:51] Yes. So, I'm always available and I'm happy to meet with anybody who has [29:55] questions or concerns, just wants to learn more on on any of these topics or [30:00] anything else for that matter. Um I'm at the town hall and I'm always [30:05] willing to meet with whoever wants to have a discussion. Awesome. And [30:09] we also will be reviewing these articles at pre-town meeting? That's correct. [30:13] » So, that's a great opportunity to come and sit down and actually see what's [30:17] going to be presented in May. Right. Um the planning board started their public [30:22] hearing. Um so, all of all of these regulations require that they have at [30:26] least one formal public hearing. We have actually had a number of meetings over [30:30] the past um year as we developed these, but the [30:33] formal public hearing was started on um this past week on the 18th. [30:38] Um the hearing still open. It got continued to March 30th. So, [30:42] there'll be opportunity for more discussion and more um public feedback [30:47] on the 30th, and that's when the [30:50] planning board will vote on their recommendations [30:53] to town meeting on these issues. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Paul. [30:57] I think this was really informative, and I hope residents feel the same, and [31:00] maybe they'll come see you with questions. All right, I hope they do. [31:03] Thank you for having me. So, thank you for joining us in today's episode of [31:06] Turn It Up Eastham. We covered a lot of zoning amendments and what they'll look [31:10] like at our May town meeting, so make sure to stay informed, look up this [31:14] material, and come with an educated vote to town meeting in May. Remember to [31:18] subscribe and like us on social media for more updates and information. Thank [31:22] you. [31:25] » [music]