1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:07,240 This government meeting is brought to you by Eastworks and our local cable 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,240 subscribers. 3 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:26,400 Good evening and welcome to the East Hampton City Council meeting for August 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:30,960 12th, 2026. The meeting tonight is being recorded and broadcast by E Media on 5 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:35,040 Charter channel 193 and live streaming on their web page eastampton media.org. 6 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:40,320 Councilors and participants in this meeting are gathering hybrid on the 7 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:44,800 order extended until June 30th, 2027, allowing us to do so. I remind both the 8 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:50,320 members of city council and the public participating remotely to remain muted 9 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:54,239 until recognized by the city council vice president. Also for the members of 10 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:57,039 the public, please remove your camera for the duration of the meeting unless 11 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,879 you are participating in public speak time or the public hearing. Thank you. 12 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:02,559 This meeting is now called to order. Maryanne 13 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,159 » JP Quisinski >> here. 14 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:08,640 » Connie Denim. >> Tamara Smith 15 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,320 » here. >> Felicia Jazzik 16 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,439 » here. >> Tom Peak 17 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,799 » here. >> Jonathan Schmidt 18 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:14,159 » here. >> Amanda Newton 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,840 » here. >> Kaam Jamrock McQuade 20 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,960 » here. >> Nathan Marque 21 00:01:16,799 --> 00:01:23,360 » here. >> All right. Um, I'm going to take a 22 00:01:21,119 --> 00:01:25,280 motion to go ahead and open the public hearing. 23 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,880 » Second. >> All right. Any further discussion? 24 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,840 Seeing none, all those or actually we have to do a roll call vote. Marian. 25 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:33,200 » Yeah. Felicia Jazzic. >> Hi. 26 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,320 » JP Guinski. >> Hi. 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,240 » Tom Peak. >> Hi. 28 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:37,600 » Tamara Smith. >> I. 29 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,040 » Jonathan Schmidt. >> Hi. 30 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:40,479 » Amanda Newton. >> Hi. 31 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,400 » Nathan Marquee. >> Hi. 32 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,720 » Cam Jamrock McUade. >> Hi. 33 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,360 » Connie Denham. Say that. 34 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,079 » All right. Motion passes. So, this public hearing is for an interdep 35 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,520 departmental transfer for an annual stipen for the licensing clerk. Um, and 36 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:57,439 as such, I'm going to turn it over to Chair Peak to introduce this. 37 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:02,799 » Thank you, Madam Vice President. Um, yes. So, this is an item to transfer 38 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:07,759 $1,200 from the reserve fund to the licensing board stipen. It's part of a 39 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:13,440 broader uh conversation that we've been having about that topic for a while, but 40 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:23,680 I'm kind of do my best to just stick with the matter at hand. Um so we met uh 41 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:27,360 and uh briefly discussed this uh at 5:15 uh that by we I mean the finance 42 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:32,480 committee or those of us who were who were present. So we voted two to zero uh 43 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:40,400 to recommend this to the full council. Um I think uh you know our our general 44 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:46,080 view is that whatever one's general feelings are about the 45 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:52,319 sort of the the broader discussion around stipens and uh salaries and when 46 00:02:50,239 --> 00:02:57,200 what you know one is appropriate or the other that right now we're at a 47 00:02:54,160 --> 00:03:02,400 situation where uh we need a licensing clerk and this is the fastest way to get 48 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:06,480 somebody into that position. And if we don't act, we're going to lose 49 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:12,159 a lot more money than what we're talking about here as a city. So, I felt I think 50 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,680 that I don't want to speak for my colleague, but my feeling that it was 51 00:03:14,239 --> 00:03:21,040 it's a good idea for us to move forward on this tonight. Um, that's all that I 52 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:26,800 have to say on the subject. I do uh Mayor Derby is could not be present, but 53 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:31,360 did ask uh that somebody uh read a statement that he sent to us into the 54 00:03:28,959 --> 00:03:37,920 record. Uh, and given that I'm chairing, I volunteered to do it. So, these are 55 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:41,360 uh, Mayor Derby's words. Um, members of the city council, I am submitting this 56 00:03:39,519 --> 00:03:45,360 testimony in writing. I am unable to attend in person. I respectfully ask 57 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:49,200 that this be entered into the record. The licensing work is real. It has grown 58 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:53,440 and it deserves fair compensation. The licensing board's workload has increased 59 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:59,920 substantially with the growth in liquor licenses and the city anticipates eight 60 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:06,080 new alcohol licenses in the near future. The clerk prepares uh and processes 61 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:12,159 applications, coordinates with the ABCC, conducts site visits uh and manages 62 00:04:08,959 --> 00:04:16,720 renewal season for dozens of licenses. Uh this is substantial ongoing work and 63 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:21,359 I agree with those who have said that it should be fairly compensated. Please see 64 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:25,360 the attached job description prepared uh by the former clerk, which I'm not going 65 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:28,400 to read the job description or the memo. I'm just going to read the cover page, 66 00:04:26,639 --> 00:04:34,960 but you all got this. And if anyone wants to see it, I guess email us. Um 67 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:38,880 the stipend is the fiscally conservative structure of this function for this 68 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:43,600 function particularly in this budget year. A stipend of $2,400 69 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:49,840 compensates a discrete set of responsibilities that allows the board 70 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:55,919 to function at a cost far below a new salaried position or a permanent base 71 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:59,759 pay adjustment uh in a year when the city is asking departments to find 72 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:06,560 reductions. This is the responsible interim tool. uh it matches the cost uh 73 00:05:03,919 --> 00:05:10,880 to the discrete scope of the work and preserves flexibility should the 74 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:14,639 workload change. Uh it is consistent with how the city compensates other 75 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:19,759 distinct functions and/or responsibilities that fall outside of a 76 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:25,280 position's base responsibilities. A stipend also preserves flexibility and 77 00:05:22,479 --> 00:05:29,039 avoids unnecessary costs going forward. Structured as a stipen, this function 78 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:34,000 can be assigned to any qualified employee through a simple side letter. 79 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:39,680 By contrast, writing these duties into the base job description of an ASME 80 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:44,720 covered position would make the change a mandatory subject of collective 81 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:50,880 bargaining requiring formal negotiation and associated legal costs. The stipend 82 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:56,800 accomplishes the goal uh fairly compensating this discrete work and 83 00:05:53,360 --> 00:06:01,759 keeping the function assignable uh by the more efficient and more fiscally 84 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:05,680 responsible route. Uh for the committee's convenience, I have attached 85 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:10,560 a short memo reviewing how the city's 2019 compensation and classification 86 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:16,960 study performed by the Collins Center addresses stipens for distinct board 87 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:21,520 functions of this kind. I respectfully request that the committee and full 88 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:26,639 council approve this appropriation so that the licensing board's uh function 89 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:33,120 continues without interruption and the work is fairly compensated. I am glad to 90 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:36,880 provide any further uh information the committee requires and to work with the 91 00:06:35,039 --> 00:06:40,960 council on the longer term question of how this function is best structured 92 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:46,639 going forward. Respectfully submitted Salem Derby mayor city of East Hampton. 93 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:49,840 » Great. Thank you. Uh, Chair Peak, and I just want to make a quick note for 94 00:06:47,919 --> 00:06:53,440 council here tonight. Um, just to be clear about what we are discussing 95 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:57,520 tonight, the mayor's memo does reference a higher stipen amount, but just noting 96 00:06:55,759 --> 00:07:03,039 for the record and for us that the item before council tonight is the posted 97 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:07,360 $1,200 transfer, and that is what any of our vote will be limited to. Um, if the 98 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:10,560 administration wishes to pursue a larger amount, then that will need to come back 99 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:14,639 to us as a separate properly noticed appropriation at a later date. So, we 100 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:18,080 can approve this $1,200 amount tonight. We can reject it, we can approve less, 101 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:21,440 but we cannot vote on a higher number tonight. So, I want to be really clear 102 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:26,479 about that. And so, while the memo does advocate for more and for um additional 103 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:30,479 uh discussion as chair peak mentioned, the higher figure is not before us 104 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:33,440 tonight. Um councilors, are there any clarifying questions before we hear from 105 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:38,800 public? So, I see a number of hands up. I did see um I did see Thank you, uh 106 00:07:37,199 --> 00:07:45,120 councelor Marque's hand first and I'll come back to this slide over after that. 107 00:07:42,479 --> 00:07:51,759 » Two questions. Um, I don't really care who answers it. Um, but when it mentions 108 00:07:49,039 --> 00:07:54,560 former clerk, are we is that um Evan Leau? 109 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:59,440 » No. >> Um, so in the memo that was emailed to 110 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:03,280 us earlier today, it appears to be a slightly different memo than the one 111 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:07,919 Cher Peak read into the record. Okay. >> That language was not in the memo that 112 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:12,479 was emailed to council. So I do not know the answer to that, but I know that Evan 113 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:16,599 is here tonight. if you would like to um speak to that if he's able to 114 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,199 » um >> and please just state your name and 115 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:28,960 title. >> Yeah. Evan Leau, assistant to the mayor, 116 00:08:23,919 --> 00:08:32,479 in licensing clerk. Um as far as the discrepancies between the two, my 117 00:08:30,479 --> 00:08:36,959 apologies if this may be an earlier version from what um was sent to you, 118 00:08:34,719 --> 00:08:42,479 but this is the version that I had uh that I wanted to make sure printed 119 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:46,800 copies were provided of. Um so of that that would be the former clerk 120 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:51,200 prior to myself. >> Yeah. 121 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:53,680 » Thank you. Um I saw hands over here. So I'll go to Sorry. Did you have another 122 00:08:53,279 --> 00:09:00,080 question? >> I I did have another question. Okay. So 123 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:05,200 when it says former clerk, it it is you when in this memo 124 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:10,320 » when it is uh talking about the job responsibilities that was compiled by 125 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,519 the former clerk that was not me. >> Okay. 126 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,000 » Yeah. >> Okay. 127 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:18,560 » Apologies. I know there has been a little confusion on that. 128 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:23,360 » Um I have one more question. I know that the matter before us is the 1200 inter 129 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:30,560 departmental transfer. I know there's been a lengthy discussion around the 130 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:36,800 clerk. I know that Mayor Derby mentioned in this thing of $2,400. I 131 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:43,120 know that we cannot go above that. My question is 132 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:49,360 before we had the budget vote was the clerk stipen set at 1,500. 133 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:51,440 » Yes, that is I believe that's correct. But chair P if you'd like to answer 134 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:57,519 that. >> Okay. Uh yes. So, prior to the budget 135 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:00,959 vote, there was no clerk statement. >> Gotcha. 136 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:07,040 » Prior to the budget vote, there was no statement. And before that, um the the 137 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:12,240 previous mayor's assistant had the licensing jobs as part of her job 138 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:18,160 description and part of her total compensation. So there was no when when 139 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:23,760 Mayor Derby won the election like the the way that that came into be is that 140 00:10:20,959 --> 00:10:30,160 at the time there was a question about how best to do that and and basically 141 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:33,519 that Evan when he assumed that role was assuming that role in essentially a 142 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:40,240 volunteer capacity for the first five months until we uh the the $1,500 143 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,839 proposed stipend was included in the budget. 144 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:48,240 Um, and also I think when we're talking about 2400 versus 1,200, I think that 145 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:52,640 the distinction there is that there is currently a budgeted amount in the 146 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:56,959 budget authorized to be spent of 1,200. This 1,200 would increase that to 2400 147 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,240 total. >> Understood. Thank you. 148 00:10:58,079 --> 00:11:02,320 » Thank you for that clarification. Um, councelor, 149 00:11:00,959 --> 00:11:07,200 » this is a clarification that I wanted to make too, just that it this would equal 150 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:10,720 the 2400. >> Uh, councelor Schmid, 151 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:14,399 » same thing. All right. Um, any other questions from counselors? 152 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,120 » All right. >> I'll just say councelor 153 00:11:15,839 --> 00:11:19,760 » I would like to have further comments, but I'll do that after. 154 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,560 » Yeah, let's save the deliberation until after we go to the public, but thank you 155 00:11:21,279 --> 00:11:27,040 for that. Um, all right. So, if there are no other questions at the moment, I 156 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:31,839 see none online. Um, I would like to open the floor to public comment on this 157 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:37,519 matter. If there's any members of the public in the room or online who would 158 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:40,560 like to um to speak, please go ahead and raise your hand if you are online or 159 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,560 approach the podium if you are in the room. 160 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:53,040 All right, I am seeing no public comment. So, going once, going twice. 161 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:57,760 I'm going to go ahead and close public comment on this item. So, back to us 162 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:01,120 counselors. Um any further discussion or deliberation? Uh, councelor Schmidt, 163 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:03,040 would you like to go ahead at this point? 164 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:09,680 » Uh, sure. Thank you, Madam Vice President. Um, as uh the uh individual 165 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:13,360 who had reason uh originally brought forward this motion in finance, I 166 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:17,440 thought it would make sense for me to to speak a little bit um especially because 167 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:23,600 there were some uh questions and confusions from uh individuals who had 168 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:27,920 watched those meetings as to how um our thinking had sort of played out. And um 169 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:32,880 if I'm being entirely honest, a lot of my thinking has played out outside of 170 00:12:29,839 --> 00:12:36,240 meetings. And so um makes sense that it it would not have been totally clear. Uh 171 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:41,920 and so I just wanted to offer some of that. Um 172 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:46,000 uh to bring us back to um kind of the for me anyways, I'm only going to speak 173 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:51,040 for myself. Um my original concerns around this particular budget line item 174 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:56,320 um I brought up um at a previous council meeting and and first at the the finance 175 00:12:53,440 --> 00:13:02,000 uh budget hearing where this had um been discussed. Uh and at that time um my 176 00:12:59,839 --> 00:13:08,800 concern that I had brought forth uh was largely related to um how the the item 177 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:13,680 was included within the budget. not so much the the number itself um but the 178 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:20,240 fact that the the licensing board had sort of been singled out um within the 179 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:24,720 the budget. Uh and so um I was already feeling a little um uncertain about this 180 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:29,040 particular item. And so, uh, when it came time to, uh, have the finance 181 00:13:27,279 --> 00:13:35,839 committee discuss potential amendments to the budget, uh, and, um, 182 00:13:33,839 --> 00:13:42,800 a conversation, you know, began around this particular item and, um, a desire, 183 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:47,760 uh, from, uh, councelor Denim had had been brought forth to to cons, you know, 184 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:51,360 reconsider the amount. Um, I was interested in having that conversation 185 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:55,440 because of some of that uncertainty that I was feeling. Um, as I've looked back 186 00:13:54,160 --> 00:14:00,720 on that, I think that this is an instance of, you know, uh, being a new 187 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:04,399 counselor and and sort of learning the ropes. Um, and I just want to take 188 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:08,639 responsibility for that because I think I can and should have approached that 189 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:14,720 particular situation better. Uh, and I think if I were to do it all over again, 190 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:21,279 um, rather than discussing, you know, small amounts, um, that ultimately, um, 191 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:25,760 I felt weren't the right path forward. Um, 192 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:30,160 I if I were to do it again, I would have uh, recommended that we zero out this 193 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:35,519 line altogether and ask the mayor to come back for an appropriation um, from 194 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:39,680 his office to properly fund this amount uh, or this uh, position. Um I think one 195 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:47,920 of the things that we heard that we've heard um previously around this uh is 196 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:53,839 that we had an individual who was um doing this work uh on a volunteer basis 197 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:58,639 uh who and who was willing to do it for uh an extremely reduced rate um that 198 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:05,279 everybody seems to agree was not enough money to adequately pay that position. 199 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:12,399 Um, and when I heard um when I heard that being presented as um an argument 200 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:15,600 for for moving forward as it was, um that didn't sit well with me either. Um 201 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:23,440 that felt like we were taking advantage of um a person in who was in the city's 202 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:28,720 employment. Um and so I'm actually very much pleased to 203 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:34,800 consider the the higher amount here. Um and uh the information that's been 204 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:41,360 provided um around why you know having this as a stipen um 205 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:45,760 makes sense to me. Um and you know I appreciated that uh the the information 206 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:52,959 that the auditor was also in favor of that approach. Um I think what continues 207 00:15:49,199 --> 00:15:57,839 to not sit quite right with me is again the way that this is built into the 208 00:15:54,480 --> 00:16:01,839 budget. Um every other stipend is uh under the responsibility of one 209 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:06,399 department or another um under the responsibility of paid employees of the 210 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:11,839 city. Uh and if we actually look at the job description that the mayor sent to 211 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:16,399 us uh along with the memo um it states that this position is under the general 212 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:22,079 supervision of the mayor or the mayor's designate. Uh and so it continues to be 213 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:31,040 my opinion that this belongs in the mayor's office budget. Uh and it is my 214 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:38,560 desire and intention to next year um revisit this and um I appreciate in the 215 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:44,160 mayor's memo uh his stated desire to um work with us to to figure out the best 216 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:52,000 path forward. Um and so I want to make that that known. I think um it it it 217 00:16:50,079 --> 00:16:58,240 wasn't a good look to I think you know take it out of of that particular 218 00:16:54,079 --> 00:17:02,160 section of the budget and to then claim savings from the cuts that were made to 219 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:11,120 the position that was doing it. It didn't feel honest to me. Um, and 220 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:16,880 as we look at this, um, again, I think it's important that that a department is 221 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:23,039 responsible for this, uh, and given the amount of money that they bring in that 222 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:27,039 we've heard about. Um, I and the the interactions that this individual has 223 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:30,480 with the state and all of the forward- facing work that they do, um, I think it 224 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:34,559 really makes sense that it's coming out of the mayor's office. And so, um, all 225 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:39,520 that to say, um, I'm not looking to hold up this vote by any means, um, or, you 226 00:17:37,679 --> 00:17:43,919 know, the the ability for us to move forward with this position. And so, I'm 227 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:47,520 in favor of voting in favor of this tonight. Um, but I want to provide some 228 00:17:45,679 --> 00:17:50,559 of that context and to provide some information about my future intentions 229 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:55,280 about how I think we should be approaching this particular position. 230 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:58,799 And that's kind of all I got. >> Thank you, Councelor Schmidt. Um, 231 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:04,080 Councelor Smith, online, I see your hand raised. 232 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:09,360 Um thank you. I also wanted to give my perspective as a sociologist uh 233 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:16,400 particularly a sociologist that has looked at uh gender and work patterns. 234 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:23,520 And one of the things that was really notable to me when we were talking about 235 00:18:19,679 --> 00:18:30,799 this was that it was being reduced from a salary rather to a stipend. And in 236 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:36,880 many jobs which are assistant jobs, traditionally women have been shortch 237 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:44,240 changed with an increase in the salary which would also benefit the retirement 238 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:53,600 benefits and other you know um domino effects type of issues. And so 1,200 239 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:59,120 and500 both felt too much of a low a low ball number to feel comfortable doing 240 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:04,559 that. And I hope the clerk can understand that my position is as a 241 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:08,960 woman who has studied a lot of these issues and I felt that it was an 242 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:15,679 injustice in the way that it was moving forward at that level. I'm grateful that 243 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:20,720 it's moved up to 2400. Um hopefully in the future if it deserves more 244 00:19:17,919 --> 00:19:25,679 compensation than that. Um I'm very open and hopeful to have that conversation. 245 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:31,440 So, I just wanted to say that that my reservations really were from the 246 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:37,919 context of um what has traditionally been um deemed as women's work in many 247 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:43,520 assistant roles and making sure that we were not creating bias in how we were 248 00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:47,679 looking at how to compensate that. So, I will be voting yes for this with the 249 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:52,640 hopes that in the future we will have more discussions on how to properly um 250 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:59,039 and fairly compensate this position since it's a very um heavily um 251 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:02,640 warranted position with a lot of work. Thank you. 252 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:06,400 » Thank you, Councelor Smith. Um, councelor Krinski, 253 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:12,400 » I uh would like to thank uh councelor Smith for the sociological perspective 254 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:18,799 uh and councelor Schmidt for his in-depth 255 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:23,760 analysis of and thinking and reviewing and careful thought on the subject. 256 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:30,320 I have given much reflection to the matter myself and I frankly am sorry 257 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:37,039 that we've spent this much time over what was originally a $300 cut and I 258 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:44,000 think that's uh insulting to anyone who works for this city and I would like to 259 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:49,919 extend my apologies to that individual whoever that may be regardless. Uh I 260 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:56,159 think we all we all understand that whenever we have issues we try to deal 261 00:20:53,360 --> 00:21:01,600 with it as a position and not a person. It is a position. It is a that and 262 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:07,760 that's what we're working with. Insults are not what we want to do here 263 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:13,360 in this council. Uh with regard to how we move forward, 264 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:19,120 I think our path was cleared before when we voted with a split vote. four of us 265 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:27,200 voted in favor and four against uh the cut. Uh so at this point it seems quite 266 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:32,480 clear with what the mayor's lit laid out that this position is deserving. And if 267 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:36,559 you haven't been listening and tuned in, I don't think you understand what's been 268 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:42,400 going on with the city and with the licenses that have been in question and 269 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:48,000 held up. Uh I and I I know that many of you do. It's important work for the 270 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:52,320 city. I again will vote yes and extend my apologies to the individual and I 271 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:56,080 would hope that my fellow colleagues are doing. 272 00:21:54,159 --> 00:21:59,679 » Councelor Januk. >> Thank you, Madam Vice President. Um, so 273 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:04,320 I just have a couple things to say. Uh, I wasn't there for this original full 274 00:22:01,679 --> 00:22:09,760 council vote. Um, and if I was, we might not have been here um, doing this again. 275 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:12,960 Um, but I do I will say that I appreciated the extra time to really 276 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:19,120 think about this issue more deeply and see how it's all played out. Um, I think 277 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:23,039 my main thoughts are um I definitely agree with the other members of the 278 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:30,080 council in feeling like this is work that needs to be compensated fairly. um 279 00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:34,559 and that given the importance in in um the litany of things that this uh 280 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:39,520 position needs to to handle um it makes sense uh both to to compensate them 281 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:43,360 fairly through a siphon um at least in this structure and then also raise that 282 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:48,080 site. I was happy to see that as well. Um, I I do think that there are fair 283 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:52,960 questions about how this position is structured and I think that that's a 284 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:57,840 separate conversation and um I think us as council as we know we have very 285 00:22:54,640 --> 00:23:03,120 limited tools in terms of numbers in the budget and we can only um 286 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:06,640 we can only cut um and I think that that was I personally feel like that was the 287 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:10,400 wrong tool to use in this situation um to exercise our oversight over this 288 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:14,400 position if we have concerns. I I think that council has a lot of authority to 289 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:18,720 to potentially weigh into this using ordinance. Um and we should pursue that 290 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:22,799 in the future, but I I think that we're talk if we're talking about this budget, 291 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:26,720 the question is does this person deserve to be paid for the work that they're 292 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:31,919 doing? And and I fully agree um that they do. So I will be voting yes to 293 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:34,960 this. Um and yeah, I think that's all I have. 294 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:40,799 » Councelor Marque, >> thank you madame vice president. Um, 295 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:46,000 I originally made the motion to reinstate the 300 back to the budget. I 296 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:50,400 disagreed with the finances committee's recommendation at the time of cutting 297 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:56,799 300 from the position. Um, I 298 00:23:54,080 --> 00:24:02,720 agree with councelor Schmidt with there maybe and councelor J. McQuade that 299 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:07,120 there maybe should be a fresh look of how the licensing clerk is structured 300 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:16,400 under the mayor's budget. I also want to echo um councelor Kisinski's 301 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:20,880 concerns. I I believe the optics are not great for council and I believe we 302 00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:25,840 dropped the ball on this. Um and I also want to extend um an apology. Excuse me. 303 00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:28,960 Point of order, council marquee. veering away from the 304 00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:32,559 » I I I I appreciate what you what you're saying, but we're what's at hand right 305 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:39,520 here is a $1,200 appropriation. >> I want to extend my apologies to Mr. 306 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:44,000 Leau as well. I don't believe that he was spoken about fairly at our 307 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:49,520 » that again, Council Mar um I appreciate that and I share those feelings, but 308 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:53,360 let's keep the matter to the agenda item at hand, which is should we transfer 309 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:57,679 this money from the reserve fund to the stipen? I will be voting yes. 310 00:24:55,279 --> 00:25:02,320 » Thank you. >> Councelor Newton, 311 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:08,320 » um I just want to confirm what uh Councelor Smith and Councelor Smith each 312 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:12,640 said. Um I think both of those are two of the points that I was really thinking 313 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:16,000 about. I will be voting yes, but I I agree that this is something we should 314 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,919 consider going forward, the way that it's structured and how it does affect 315 00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:22,919 retirement um and all of that kind of stuff. 316 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:33,679 any other questions, comments. All right. So, I think um just to add in 317 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:37,520 my own uh thoughts as well, um I echo a lot of what has been shared here tonight 318 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:41,520 with regards to this particular transfer. Um it's unfortunate the mayor 319 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:45,520 is not here tonight. Um and we don't, I believe, have our um any other finance 320 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:49,440 folks online, but I am curious for future discussion around funding this 321 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:53,200 out of the reserve fund as opposed to another option. So, that's a curiosity I 322 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,159 have. I don't know if um you have any insights to that, Chairp. 323 00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:59,440 » Sure, I can weigh in. Normally, this sort of thing would happen out of free 324 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:03,200 cash. Free cash has not been certified yet for this year. So, you usually these 325 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,799 sorts of one-time transfers that are done. We usually don't do any of those 326 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:11,279 between the start of the fiscal year and the certification of free cash. We do 327 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:16,640 have reserves for when things like this do come up. We did move some money into 328 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:20,720 reserves during this last cycle, you know, for when stuff like this comes up. 329 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,880 So, like I don't think that it's something that we would generally 330 00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:30,000 consider best practice, but um we don't have any free cash. All the free cash 331 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:33,760 rolled over, right? Or we we we either spent it or we put it into reserves and 332 00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:39,039 we won't get any more free cash until it's certified, which I'm being told 333 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:44,480 should be hopefully in the fall. Um but in the meantime, it's uh I I don't have 334 00:26:41,679 --> 00:26:49,679 any um objection to the funding source. I don't I'm not aware of a better 335 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:54,320 funding source that we could use at this moment without waiting into the fall 336 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,720 which would have serious fiscal consequences. 337 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:02,559 » Thank you very much. Appreciate that clarification. Um all right. So if there 338 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:09,360 is no further discussion or deliberation then um I will take a motion to make 339 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:13,520 this transfer. Chair Peak. >> All right. I'll make the following 340 00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:16,559 request in the form of a motion. Request is hereby made for the approval of the 341 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:22,799 following appropriation. Amount requested, $1,200 to be transferred from 342 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:27,600 reserve fund, $1,200 to be transferred to licensing board stipen, $1,200. 343 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:33,120 The amount requested will be used for the following purpose. Annual stipend 344 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:35,600 for licensing clerk LLA. >> Second. 345 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:40,320 » Great. I have a motion and a second to transfer $1,200 from the reserve fund to 346 00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:45,279 the licensing board siphon for annual siphon for licensing clerk LLA. Any 347 00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:48,320 further discussion? >> Seeing none. So Miriam 348 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,520 » JP Quisinski. Hi >> Tom P. 349 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,679 » Hi >> Tamara Smith. 350 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,039 » Hi. >> Jonathan Schmidt. 351 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,480 » Hi. >> Amanda Newton. 352 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,000 » Hi. >> Nathan Marquee. 353 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,919 » Hi. >> Cam Jamrock McUade. 354 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,960 » Hi. >> Felicia Jazzic. 355 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:04,960 » I All right. Motion passes. Um. All right. 356 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,440 All right. So, I will take a motion to close the public hearing at this time. 357 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,760 » Second. >> All right. I have a motion in the second 358 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,279 to close the public hearing. Any further discussion? Seeing none. Miam. 359 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:15,360 » Tom Peak. >> Hi. 360 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,720 » Tamara Smith. >> Hi. 361 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,080 » Jonathan Schmidt. >> Hi. 362 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,440 » Amanda Newton. >> Hi. 363 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,279 » Nathan Marquee. >> Hi. 364 00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:22,960 » Caam Jam McQuade. >> Hi. 365 00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:24,320 » Felicia Jazzic. >> Hi. 366 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:27,200 » JP Guazinski. >> Hi. 367 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:32,080 » All right. Motion passes. Um, we next have on our agenda public speak. So, for 368 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,600 any members of the public in the room or online, this is your opportunity to 369 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:40,000 speak to us about any items not related to this public hearing that we just 370 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:43,200 concluded. Um, anyone who wishes to speak about the public hearing, um, 371 00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:47,440 unfortunately that is closed at this time. So, if folks would like to speak, 372 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:54,240 please feel free to approach the podium or raise your hand online. 373 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:57,679 All right. I am seeing no one looking to speak. So, 374 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,440 » move to close. >> Uh, yes. Yes, I will take a motion to 375 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:00,559 adjurnn. >> Move to adjurnn. 376 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,559 » Yes. >> Second. 377 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:06,399 » I have a motion and a second to adjurnn the meeting. Miam. 378 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,840 » Uh Tamara Smith. >> I. 379 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,200 » Jonathan Schmidt. >> Hi. 380 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,559 » Amanda Newton. >> Hi. 381 00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:12,399 » Nathan Marquee. >> Hi. 382 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,840 » Cam Jamrock McUade. >> Hi. 383 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:15,520 » Felicia Jazz. >> Hi. 384 00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:17,279 » JPinski. Hi. >> Tom Peak. 385 00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:22,640 » Hi. >> All right. Meeting is adjourned. Thank 386 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,640 you everyone.