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time or the public hearing. Thank you.

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This meeting is now called to order.

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Maryanne

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» JP Quisinski

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» Connie Denim.

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» Tamara Smith

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» Felicia Jazzik

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» Tom Peak

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» Jonathan Schmidt

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» Amanda Newton

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» Kaam Jamrock McQuade

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» Nathan Marque

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» All right. Um, I'm going to take a

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motion to go ahead and open the public

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hearing.

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» Second.

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» All right. Any further discussion?

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Seeing none, all those or actually we

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have to do a roll call vote. Marian.

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» Yeah. Felicia Jazzic.

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» JP Guinski.

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» Hi.

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» Tom Peak.

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» Tamara Smith.

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» Jonathan Schmidt.

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» Amanda Newton.

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» Nathan Marquee.

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» Cam Jamrock McUade.

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» Connie Denham.

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Say that.

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» All right. Motion passes. So, this

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public hearing is for an interdep

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departmental transfer for an annual

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stipen for the licensing clerk. Um, and

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as such, I'm going to turn it over to

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Chair Peak to introduce this.

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» Thank you, Madam Vice President. Um,

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yes. So, this is an item to transfer

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$1,200 from the reserve fund to the

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licensing board stipen. It's part of a

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broader uh conversation that we've been

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having about that topic for a while, but

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with the matter at hand. Um so we met uh

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and uh briefly discussed this uh at 5:15

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uh that by we I mean the finance

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committee or those of us who were who

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were present. So we voted two to zero uh

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to recommend this to the full council.

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Um I think uh you know our our general

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view is that whatever one's general

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feelings are about the

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sort of the the broader discussion

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around stipens and uh salaries and when

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what you know one is appropriate or the

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other that right now we're at a

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situation where uh we need a licensing

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clerk and this is the fastest way to get

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somebody into that position.

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And if we don't act, we're going to lose

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a lot more money than what we're talking

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about here as a city. So, I felt I think

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that I don't want to speak for my

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colleague, but my feeling that it was

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it's a good idea for us to move forward

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on this tonight. Um, that's all that I

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have to say on the subject. I do uh

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Mayor Derby is could not be present, but

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did ask uh that somebody uh read a

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statement that he sent to us into the

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record. Uh, and given that I'm chairing,

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I volunteered to do it. So, these are

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uh, Mayor Derby's words. Um, members of

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the city council, I am submitting this

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testimony in writing. I am unable to

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attend in person. I respectfully ask

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that this be entered into the record.

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The licensing work is real. It has grown

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and it deserves fair compensation. The

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licensing board's workload has increased

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substantially with the growth in liquor

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licenses and the city anticipates eight

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new alcohol licenses in the near future.

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The clerk prepares uh and processes

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applications, coordinates with the ABCC,

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conducts site visits uh and manages

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renewal season for dozens of licenses.

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Uh this is substantial ongoing work and

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I agree with those who have said that it

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should be fairly compensated. Please see

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the attached job description prepared uh

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by the former clerk, which I'm not going

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to read the job description or the memo.

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I'm just going to read the cover page,

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but you all got this. And if anyone

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wants to see it, I guess email us. Um

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the stipend is the fiscally conservative

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structure of this function for this

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function particularly in this budget

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year. A stipend of $2,400

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compensates a discrete set of

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responsibilities that allows the board

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to function at a cost far below a new

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salaried position or a permanent base

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pay adjustment uh in a year when the

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city is asking departments to find

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reductions. This is the responsible

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interim tool. uh it matches the cost uh

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to the discrete scope of the work and

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preserves flexibility should the

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workload change. Uh it is consistent

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with how the city compensates other

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distinct functions and/or

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responsibilities that fall outside of a

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position's base responsibilities. A

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stipend also preserves flexibility and

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avoids unnecessary costs going forward.

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Structured as a stipen, this function

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can be assigned to any qualified

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employee through a simple side letter.

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the base job description of an ASME

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covered position would make the change a

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mandatory subject of collective

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bargaining requiring formal negotiation

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and associated legal costs. The stipend

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accomplishes the goal uh fairly

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compensating this discrete work and

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keeping the function assignable uh by

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the more efficient and more fiscally

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responsible route. Uh for the

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committee's convenience, I have attached

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a short memo reviewing how the city's

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2019 compensation and classification

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study performed by the Collins Center

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addresses stipens for distinct board

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functions of this kind. I respectfully

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request that the committee and full

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council approve this appropriation so

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that the licensing board's uh function

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continues without interruption and the

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work is fairly compensated. I am glad to

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provide any further uh information the

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committee requires and to work with the

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council on the longer term question of

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how this function is best structured

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going forward. Respectfully submitted

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Salem Derby mayor city of East Hampton.

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» Great. Thank you. Uh, Chair Peak, and I

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just want to make a quick note for

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council here tonight. Um, just to be

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clear about what we are discussing

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tonight, the mayor's memo does reference

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a higher stipen amount, but just noting

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for the record and for us that the item

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before council tonight is the posted

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$1,200 transfer, and that is what any of

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our vote will be limited to. Um, if the

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administration wishes to pursue a larger

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amount, then that will need to come back

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to us as a separate properly noticed

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appropriation at a later date. So, we

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can approve this $1,200 amount tonight.

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but we cannot vote on a higher number

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tonight. So, I want to be really clear

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about that. And so, while the memo does

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advocate for more and for um additional

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uh discussion as chair peak mentioned,

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the higher figure is not before us

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tonight. Um councilors, are there any

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clarifying questions before we hear from

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public? So, I see a number of hands up.

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I did see um I did see Thank you, uh

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councelor Marque's hand first and I'll

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come back to this slide over after that.

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» Two questions. Um, I don't really care

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who answers it. Um, but when it mentions

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former clerk, are we is that um Evan

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Leau?

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» Um, so in the memo that was emailed to

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us earlier today, it appears to be a

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slightly different memo than the one

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Cher Peak read into the record. Okay.

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» That language was not in the memo that

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was emailed to council. So I do not know

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the answer to that, but I know that Evan

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is here tonight. if you would like to um

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speak to that if he's able to

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» And please just state your name and

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title.

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» Yeah. Evan Leau, assistant to the mayor,

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in licensing clerk. Um as far as the

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discrepancies between the two, my

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apologies if this may be an earlier

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version from what um was sent to you,

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but this is the version that I had uh

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that I wanted to make sure printed

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copies were provided of. Um so

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of that that would be the former clerk

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prior to myself.

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» Thank you. Um I saw hands over here. So

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I'll go to Sorry. Did you have another

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» I I did have another question. Okay. So

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when it says former clerk, it it is you

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when in this memo

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» When it is uh talking about the job

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responsibilities that was compiled by

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the former clerk that was not me.

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» Apologies. I know there has been a

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little confusion on that.

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» Um I have one more question. I know that

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the matter before us is the 1200 inter

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departmental transfer. I know there's

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been a lengthy discussion around the

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clerk. I know that Mayor Derby

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mentioned in this thing of $2,400. I

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know that we cannot go above that. My

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question is

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before we had the budget vote was the

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clerk stipen set at 1,500.

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» Yes, that is I believe that's correct.

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But chair P if you'd like to answer

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that.

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» Okay. Uh yes. So, prior to the budget

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vote, there was no clerk statement.

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» Gotcha.

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» Prior to the budget vote, there was no

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statement. And before that, um the the

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previous mayor's assistant had

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the licensing jobs as part of her job

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description and part of her total

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compensation. So there was no when when

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Mayor Derby won the election like the

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the way that that came into be is that

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at the time there was a question about

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how best to do that and and basically

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that Evan when he assumed that role was

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assuming that role in essentially a

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volunteer capacity for the first five

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months until we uh the the $1,500

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proposed stipend was included in the

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budget.

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Um, and also I think when we're talking

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about 2400 versus 1,200, I think that

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the distinction there is that there is

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currently a budgeted amount in the

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budget authorized to be spent of 1,200.

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This 1,200 would increase that to 2400

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total.

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» Understood. Thank you.

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» Thank you for that clarification. Um,

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councelor,

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» This is a clarification that I wanted to

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make too, just that it this would equal

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the 2400.

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» Uh, councelor Schmid,

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» Same thing. All right. Um, any other

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questions from counselors?

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» All right.

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» I'll just say councelor

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» I would like to have further comments,

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but I'll do that after.

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» Yeah, let's save the deliberation until

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after we go to the public, but thank you

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for that. Um, all right. So, if there

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are no other questions at the moment, I

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see none online. Um, I would like to

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open the floor to public comment on this

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matter. If there's any members of the

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public in the room or online who would

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like to um to speak, please go ahead and

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raise your hand if you are online or

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approach the podium if you are in the

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room.

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All right, I am seeing no public

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comment. So, going once, going twice.

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I'm going to go ahead and close public

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comment on this item. So, back to us

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counselors. Um any further discussion or

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deliberation? Uh, councelor Schmidt,

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would you like to go ahead at this

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point?

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» Uh, sure. Thank you, Madam Vice

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President. Um, as uh the uh individual

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who had reason uh originally brought

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forward this motion in finance, I

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thought it would make sense for me to to

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speak a little bit um especially because

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there were some uh questions and

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confusions from uh individuals who had

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watched those meetings as to how um our

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thinking had sort of played out. And um

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if I'm being entirely honest, a lot of

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my thinking has played out outside of

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meetings. And so um makes sense that it

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it would not have been totally clear. Uh

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and so I just wanted to offer some of

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that. Um

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uh to bring us back to um kind of the

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for me anyways, I'm only going to speak

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for myself. Um my original concerns

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around this particular budget line item

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um I brought up um at a previous council

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meeting and and first at the the finance

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uh budget hearing where this had um been

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discussed. Uh and at that time um my

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concern that I had brought forth uh was

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largely related to um how the the item

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was included within the budget. not so

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much the the number itself um but the

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fact that the the licensing board had

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sort of been singled out um within the

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the budget. Uh and so um I was already

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feeling a little um uncertain about this

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particular item. And so, uh, when it

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came time to, uh, have the finance

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committee discuss potential amendments

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to the budget, uh, and, um,

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a conversation, you know, began around

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this particular item and, um, a desire,

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uh, from, uh, councelor Denim had had

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been brought forth to to cons, you know,

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reconsider the amount. Um, I was

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interested in having that conversation

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because of some of that uncertainty that

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I was feeling. Um, as I've looked back

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on that, I think that this is an

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instance of, you know, uh, being a new

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counselor and and sort of learning the

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ropes. Um, and I just want to take

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responsibility for that because I think

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I can and should have approached that

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particular situation better. Uh, and I

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think if I were to do it all over again,

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um, rather than discussing, you know,

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small amounts, um, that ultimately, um,

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I felt weren't the right path forward.

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Um,

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I if I were to do it again, I would have

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uh, recommended that we zero out this

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line altogether and ask the mayor to

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come back for an appropriation um, from

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his office to properly fund this amount

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uh, or this uh, position. Um I think one

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of the things that we heard that we've

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heard um previously around this uh is

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that we had an individual who was um

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doing this work uh on a volunteer basis

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uh who and who was willing to do it for

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uh an extremely reduced rate um that

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everybody seems to agree was not enough

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money to adequately pay that position.

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Um, and when I heard um when I heard

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that being presented as um an argument

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for for moving forward as it was, um

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that didn't sit well with me either. Um

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that felt like we were taking advantage

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of um a person in who was in the city's

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employment. Um and so

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I'm actually very much pleased to

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consider the the higher amount here. Um

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and uh the information that's been

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provided um around why you know having

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this as a stipen um

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makes sense to me. Um and you know I

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appreciated that uh the the information

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that the auditor was also in favor of

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that approach. Um I think what continues

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to not sit quite right with me is again

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the way that this is built into the

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budget. Um every other stipend is uh

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under the responsibility of one

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department or another um under the

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responsibility of paid employees of the

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city. Uh and if we actually look at the

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job description that the mayor sent to

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us uh along with the memo um it states

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that this position is under the general

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supervision of the mayor or the mayor's

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designate. Uh and so it continues to be

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my opinion that this belongs in the

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mayor's office budget. Uh and it is my

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desire and intention to next year um

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revisit this and um I appreciate in the

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mayor's memo uh his stated desire to um

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work with us to to figure out the best

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path forward. Um and so I want to make

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that that known. I think um it it it

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wasn't a good look to I think you know

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take it out of of that particular

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section of the budget and to then claim

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savings from the cuts that were made to

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the position that was doing it. It

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didn't feel honest to me. Um, and

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as we look at this, um, again, I think

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it's important that that a department is

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responsible for this, uh, and given the

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amount of money that they bring in that

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we've heard about. Um, I and the the

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interactions that this individual has

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with the state and all of the forward-

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facing work that they do, um, I think it

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really makes sense that it's coming out

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of the mayor's office. And so, um, all

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that to say, um, I'm not looking to hold

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up this vote by any means, um, or, you

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know, the the ability for us to move

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forward with this position. And so, I'm

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in favor of voting in favor of this

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tonight. Um, but I want to provide some

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of that context and to provide some

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information about my future intentions

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about how I think we should be

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approaching this particular position.

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And that's kind of all I got.

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» Thank you, Councelor Schmidt. Um,

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Councelor Smith, online, I see your hand

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raised.

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Um thank you. I also wanted to give my

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perspective as a sociologist uh

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particularly a sociologist that has

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looked at uh gender and work patterns.

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And one of the things that was really

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notable to me when we were talking about

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this was that it was being reduced from

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a salary rather to a stipend. And in

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many jobs which are assistant jobs,

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traditionally women have been shortch

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changed with an increase in the salary

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which would also benefit the retirement

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benefits and other you know um domino

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effects type of issues. And so 1,200

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and500 both felt too much of a low a low

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ball number to feel comfortable doing

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that. And I hope the clerk can

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understand that my position is as a

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woman who has studied a lot of these

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issues and I felt that it was an

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injustice in the way that it was moving

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forward at that level. I'm grateful that

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it's moved up to 2400. Um hopefully in

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the future if it deserves more

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compensation than that. Um I'm very open

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and hopeful to have that conversation.

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So, I just wanted to say that that my

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reservations really were from the

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context of um what has traditionally

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been um deemed as women's work in many

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assistant roles and making sure that we

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were not creating bias in how we were

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looking at how to compensate that. So, I

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will be voting yes for this with the

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hopes that in the future we will have

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more discussions on how to properly um

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and fairly compensate this position

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since it's a very um heavily um

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warranted position with a lot of work.

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Thank you.

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» Thank you, Councelor Smith. Um,

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councelor Krinski,

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» I uh would like to thank uh councelor

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Smith for the sociological perspective

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uh and

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councelor Schmidt for his in-depth

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analysis of and thinking and reviewing

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and careful thought on the subject.

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I have given much reflection to the

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matter myself and I frankly am sorry

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that we've spent this much time over

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what was originally a $300 cut and I

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think that's uh insulting to anyone who

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works for this city and I would like to

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extend my apologies to that individual

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whoever that may be regardless. Uh I

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think we all we all understand that

519
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whenever we have issues we try to deal

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with it as a position and not a person.

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It is a position. It is a that and

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that's what we're working with.

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Insults are not what we want to do here

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in this council. Uh

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with regard to how we move forward,

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I think our path was cleared before when

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we voted with a split vote. four of us

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voted in favor and four against uh the

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cut. Uh so at this point it seems quite

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clear with what the mayor's lit laid out

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that this position is deserving. And if

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you haven't been listening and tuned in,

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I don't think you understand what's been

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going on with the city and with the

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licenses that have been in question and

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held up. Uh I and I I know that many of

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you do. It's important work for the

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city. I again will vote yes and extend

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my apologies to the individual and I

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would hope that my fellow colleagues are

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doing.

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» Councelor Januk.

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» Thank you, Madam Vice President. Um, so

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I just have a couple things to say. Uh,

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I wasn't there for this original full

546
00:22:01,679 --> 00:22:07,440
council vote. Um, and if I was, we might

547
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:09,760
not have been here um, doing this again.

548
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,200
Um, but I do I will say that I

549
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,960
appreciated the extra time to really

550
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:16,080
think about this issue more deeply and

551
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:19,120
see how it's all played out. Um, I think

552
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,640
my main thoughts are um I definitely

553
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:23,039
agree with the other members of the

554
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:25,679
council in feeling like this is work

555
00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:30,080
that needs to be compensated fairly. um

556
00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:32,000
and that given the importance in in um

557
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,559
the litany of things that this uh

558
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,960
position needs to to handle um it makes

559
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:39,520
sense uh both to to compensate them

560
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,960
fairly through a siphon um at least in

561
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,360
this structure and then also raise that

562
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:46,400
site. I was happy to see that as well.

563
00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:48,080
Um, I I do think that there are fair

564
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,440
questions about how this position is

565
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,960
structured and I think that that's a

566
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:54,640
separate conversation and um I think us

567
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,840
as council as we know we have very

568
00:22:54,640 --> 00:23:00,400
limited tools in terms of

569
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:03,120
numbers in the budget and we can only um

570
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,720
we can only cut um and I think that that

571
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,640
was I personally feel like that was the

572
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,559
wrong tool to use in this situation um

573
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,400
to exercise our oversight over this

574
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:12,559
position if we have concerns. I I think

575
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,400
that council has a lot of authority to

576
00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:17,120
to potentially weigh into this using

577
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,720
ordinance. Um and we should pursue that

578
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:20,480
in the future, but I I think that we're

579
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,799
talk if we're talking about this budget,

580
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,240
the question is does this person deserve

581
00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:26,720
to be paid for the work that they're

582
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,559
doing? And and I fully agree um that

583
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,919
they do. So I will be voting yes to

584
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:33,840
this. Um and yeah, I think that's all I

585
00:23:31,919 --> 00:23:34,960
have.

586
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,480
» Councelor Marque,

587
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:40,799
» Thank you madame vice president. Um,

588
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,120
I originally made the motion to

589
00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:46,000
reinstate the 300 back to the budget. I

590
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:48,000
disagreed with the finances committee's

591
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,400
recommendation at the time of cutting

592
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:54,080
300 from

593
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:56,799
the position. Um, I

594
00:23:54,080 --> 00:24:00,320
agree with councelor Schmidt with there

595
00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:02,720
maybe and councelor J. McQuade that

596
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:05,120
there maybe should be a fresh look of

597
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,120
how the licensing clerk is structured

598
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:12,799
under the mayor's budget. I also want to

599
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:16,400
echo um councelor Kisinski's

600
00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:17,919
concerns. I I believe the optics are not

601
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,880
great for council and I believe we

602
00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:23,919
dropped the ball on this. Um and I also

603
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,840
want to extend um an apology. Excuse me.

604
00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:27,039
Point of order, council marquee.

605
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,960
veering away from the

606
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:30,480
» I I I I appreciate what you what you're

607
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,559
saying, but we're what's at hand right

608
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:36,080
here is a $1,200 appropriation.

609
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:39,520
» I want to extend my apologies to Mr.

610
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:41,440
Leau as well. I don't believe that he

611
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:44,000
was spoken about fairly at our

612
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:47,039
» That again, Council Mar um I appreciate

613
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:49,520
that and I share those feelings, but

614
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:51,600
let's keep the matter to the agenda item

615
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,360
at hand, which is should we transfer

616
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,279
this money from the reserve fund to the

617
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:57,679
stipen? I will be voting yes.

618
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:59,200
» Thank you.

619
00:24:57,679 --> 00:25:02,320
» Councelor Newton,

620
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:05,440
» Um I just want to confirm what uh

621
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:08,320
Councelor Smith and Councelor Smith each

622
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,320
said. Um I think both of those are two

623
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,640
of the points that I was really thinking

624
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,080
about. I will be voting yes, but I I

625
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,000
agree that this is something we should

626
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,679
consider going forward, the way that

627
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,919
it's structured and how it does affect

628
00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:22,919
retirement um and all of that kind of

629
00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:22,919
stuff.

630
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:29,440
any other questions, comments.

631
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:33,679
All right. So, I think um just to add in

632
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:35,840
my own uh thoughts as well, um I echo a

633
00:25:33,679 --> 00:25:37,520
lot of what has been shared here tonight

634
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,520
with regards to this particular

635
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,520
transfer. Um it's unfortunate the mayor

636
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,520
is not here tonight. Um and we don't, I

637
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,520
believe, have our um any other finance

638
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,600
folks online, but I am curious for

639
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,440
future discussion around funding this

640
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,600
out of the reserve fund as opposed to

641
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,200
another option. So, that's a curiosity I

642
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,559
have. I don't know if um you have any

643
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,159
insights to that, Chairp.

644
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,600
» Sure, I can weigh in. Normally, this

645
00:25:56,159 --> 00:25:59,440
sort of thing would happen out of free

646
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,520
cash. Free cash has not been certified

647
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,200
yet for this year. So, you usually these

648
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,279
sorts of one-time transfers that are

649
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,799
done. We usually don't do any of those

650
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:09,600
between the start of the fiscal year and

651
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:11,279
the certification of free cash. We do

652
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,360
have reserves for when things like this

653
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:16,640
do come up. We did move some money into

654
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:19,200
reserves during this last cycle, you

655
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,720
know, for when stuff like this comes up.

656
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,919
So, like I don't think that it's

657
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,880
something that we would generally

658
00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:27,200
consider best practice, but um we don't

659
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:30,000
have any free cash. All the free cash

660
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,159
rolled over, right? Or we we we either

661
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,760
spent it or we put it into reserves and

662
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:36,400
we won't get any more free cash until

663
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:39,039
it's certified, which I'm being told

664
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,679
should be hopefully in the fall. Um but

665
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:44,480
in the meantime, it's uh I I don't have

666
00:26:41,679 --> 00:26:46,640
any um objection to the funding source.

667
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,679
I don't I'm not aware of a better

668
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:52,240
funding source that we could use at this

669
00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:54,320
moment without waiting into the fall

670
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,520
which would have serious fiscal

671
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,720
consequences.

672
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,840
» Thank you very much. Appreciate that

673
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:02,559
clarification. Um all right. So if there

674
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:07,279
is no further discussion or deliberation

675
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:09,360
then um I will take a motion to make

676
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:10,559
this transfer. Chair Peak.

677
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:13,520
» All right. I'll make the following

678
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:14,960
request in the form of a motion. Request

679
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,559
is hereby made for the approval of the

680
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,840
following appropriation. Amount

681
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:22,799
requested, $1,200 to be transferred from

682
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:26,080
reserve fund, $1,200 to be transferred

683
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:27,600
to licensing board stipen, $1,200.

684
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,760
The amount requested will be used for

685
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:33,120
the following purpose. Annual stipend

686
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,000
for licensing clerk LLA.

687
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,600
» Second.

688
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,159
» Great. I have a motion and a second to

689
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,320
transfer $1,200 from the reserve fund to

690
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:43,039
the licensing board siphon for annual

691
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,279
siphon for licensing clerk LLA. Any

692
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:46,960
further discussion?

693
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:48,320
» Seeing none. So Miriam

694
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,960
» JP Quisinski. Hi

695
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,520
» Tom P.

696
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,120
» Hi

697
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,679
» Tamara Smith.

698
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:52,640
» Hi.

699
00:27:51,679 --> 00:27:53,039
» Jonathan Schmidt.

700
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,080
» Hi.

701
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:54,480
» Amanda Newton.

702
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,440
» Hi.

703
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,000
» Nathan Marquee.

704
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,440
» Hi.

705
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,919
» Cam Jamrock McUade.

706
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,120
» Hi.

707
00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:00,960
» Felicia Jazzic.

708
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:03,360
» I

709
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,960
All right. Motion passes. Um. All right.

710
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,039
All right. So, I will take a motion to

711
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,440
close the public hearing at this time.

712
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:08,480
» Second.

713
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,760
» All right. I have a motion in the second

714
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,559
to close the public hearing. Any further

715
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,279
discussion? Seeing none. Miam.

716
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:13,600
» Tom Peak.

717
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,360
» Hi.

718
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,840
» Tamara Smith.

719
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,720
» Hi.

720
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,120
» Jonathan Schmidt.

721
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,080
» Hi.

722
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:18,480
» Amanda Newton.

723
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,440
» Hi.

724
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,919
» Nathan Marquee.

725
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,279
» Hi.

726
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:21,919
» Caam Jam McQuade.

727
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:22,960
» Hi.

728
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:23,279
» Felicia Jazzic.

729
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,320
» Hi.

730
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:24,720
» JP Guazinski.

731
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,200
» Hi.

732
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:30,000
» All right. Motion passes. Um, we next

733
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,080
have on our agenda public speak. So, for

734
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,440
any members of the public in the room or

735
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,600
online, this is your opportunity to

736
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,960
speak to us about any items not related

737
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,000
to this public hearing that we just

738
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,679
concluded. Um, anyone who wishes to

739
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,200
speak about the public hearing, um,

740
00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:46,000
unfortunately that is closed at this

741
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,440
time. So, if folks would like to speak,

742
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,200
please feel free to approach the podium

743
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:54,240
or raise your hand online.

744
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,000
All right. I am seeing no one looking to

745
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,679
speak. So,

746
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,039
» Move to close.

747
00:28:57,679 --> 00:28:59,440
» Uh, yes. Yes, I will take a motion to

748
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:00,080
adjurnn.

749
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,559
» Move to adjurnn.

750
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,200
» Yes.

751
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:02,559
» Second.

752
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,320
» I have a motion and a second to adjurnn

753
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:06,399
the meeting. Miam.

754
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,799
» Uh Tamara Smith.

755
00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:07,840
» I.

756
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,240
» Jonathan Schmidt.

757
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,200
» Hi.

758
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,679
» Amanda Newton.

759
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,559
» Hi.

760
00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:10,960
» Nathan Marquee.

761
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,399
» Hi.

762
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,799
» Cam Jamrock McUade.

763
00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:13,840
» Hi.

764
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:14,159
» Felicia Jazz.

765
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,520
» Hi.

766
00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:16,399
» JPinski. Hi.

767
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,279
» Tom Peak.

768
00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:19,760
» Hi.

769
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:22,640
» All right. Meeting is adjourned. Thank

770
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,640
you everyone.