1 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:31,920 Mr. Myers, are you and your team ready to go? They are ready. Okay, let's do 2 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:36,320 this. Secretary, please call the roll for 3 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:42,040 7:35. Mrs. Hall-Rayford? Here. Mr. Stokes? 4 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:44,640 Here. Mrs. Moody? Here. Ms. Naylor? Here. 5 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,240 This is no public hearing. You have 3 minutes to have no public hearing. You 6 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,680 have 3 minutes to speak on whatever you want to speak on. It is 7 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,480 Please write your name on the sheet of speak on whatever you want to speak on. 8 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,760 It is Please write your name on the sheet of 9 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:01,320 paper up there. Paper up there. Hopefully it's up there. 10 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:04,720 And you have 3 minutes. Jennifer Nicholas, East Point resident. 11 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:08,880 Um I wanted to go back to Jennifer 12 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:13,160 Nicholas, East Point resident. Um I wanted to go back to a couple of to a 13 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:18,880 couple of planning commission meetings last year, October 2nd planning planning 14 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:25,080 commission meetings last year, October 2nd planning commission. You were doing 15 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:29,560 zoning ordinance changes regarding uh 16 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:33,560 garage setbacks. At that time, Mr. Myers had stated that if a garage were 17 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:38,000 destroyed during a fire, including language that would in effect including 18 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:43,080 language that would in effect grandfather existing garages to allow 19 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:48,640 the original setbacks if the garage needed to be rebuilt needed to be 20 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:57,280 rebuilt. Mr. Myers stated that section 11. Mr. Myers stated that section 11.07 21 00:02:53,960 --> 00:03:01,720 part D part 1 already covers this in the event of a fire natural disasters, so no 22 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:07,160 additional language would need to be added to this motion. 23 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:11,800 The way I read this Excuse me, the the The way I read this section 11.7, I 24 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:16,880 don't see that it guarantees that a homeowner can rebuild 25 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:22,880 um north of Stevens, east of Kelly. There's nine streets in that 26 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:27,720 neighborhood. Approximately 80 houses on each street, so say about 700 homes. I 27 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,440 would say every single one of those homes, the garages are 2 ft away from 28 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:36,120 the fence for the side setbacks. 29 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:39,800 So, all of these structures are now non-conforming. 30 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:44,120 And if something were to happen, they would have to be built 31 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:47,800 differently. They would have to be moved or possibly downsized. 32 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:53,840 Um Definitely have problems on my block 33 00:03:50,440 --> 00:04:00,200 with renters. There is a particular rental house that there's no certificate 34 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:06,320 of occupancy that has been current. The last inspection goes back to 2024. 35 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:11,000 It looks like it's owing maybe about $950. 36 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:21,600 These tenants are beyond horrible. Um they don't pay the water bill's dead. 37 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:26,640 And you know, the city definitely needs to do more about these rentals that 38 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:30,520 they're not being inspected. They're not keeping up on the property. It looks 39 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:36,320 disgusting. Uh you know, the whole city is just like 40 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:42,520 littered with trash. I invite anyone to walk from city hall and go 41 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:48,680 from here, go down Semrau all the way down to Kelly and see all the trash all 42 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:53,160 over. And then go down all the other side streets, too. Trash all over the 43 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:56,600 place. It's not just limited to 8 and Gratiot. 44 00:04:54,480 --> 00:05:01,280 I mean, this will know whether you can attend or not. I don't know, but if you 45 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:05,640 can, great. If not, please provide the Thank you. 46 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:12,320 Mr. Woodson, if you would be so kind to give her some regions information, maybe 47 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:12,320 contact her tomorrow this home, please. 48 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:20,840 Moving on to the approval of the minutes for the 49 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:25,440 February 5th, 2026 meeting. Chairman DeHaan. Um the minutes 50 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,640 from that meeting need to be amended, though. 51 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:32,920 It be corrected without within the minutes. 52 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:36,640 We have a motion. Do we have support? I'll support that. We have motion and 53 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,960 support. Secretary, please call the roll. 54 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:47,000 Mr. Sassak? Yes. Mrs. Hall-Rayford? Yes. Mr. Stokes? Yes. Mrs. Moody? 55 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,400 Ms. Naylor? Yes. 56 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,000 Ms. Zielinski? Yes. Chairman DeHaan? Abstain. 57 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:04,720 We have no public hearing, so we'll move on to new It spans the public alley and 58 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:07,520 also incorporates the applicant's The applicant owns the triangular parcels to 59 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:13,040 the north. So, this site sort of incorporates both 60 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:18,840 of their parcels and the public alley. Um the applicant also 61 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:21,400 just for reference owns this parcel here as well. 62 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,960 Um >> [clears throat] 63 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:28,320 » this is the site plan you received in your packets. 64 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:35,080 You might have noticed on the drawings that there are a few revision clouds. 65 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:40,480 We did the staff did iterate this um reviewed the the initial submission. 66 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:46,440 The applicant provided a revision in response to the staff's original 67 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:51,640 comments. Um but as I was mentioning the um 68 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:57,760 This is a 2,800 ft building to consist of offices and storage. Um there are 69 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:02,880 electric vehicle chargers chargers proposed here with four spots dedicated 70 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:05,520 for that purpose. Um landscaping as required by the 71 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:10,640 ordinance. And then on that northern parcel, a 72 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:14,040 dumpster enclosure and a electrical transformer. 73 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:20,280 My understanding is that it's to facilitate the vehicle charging are 74 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,280 proposed on that northern parcel. 75 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:28,000 Um These are the elevations of the 76 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:33,040 building. Since the land is zoned MU1 uh and this is a new development that is 77 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:35,960 seeking site plan approval. It is responsible to the architectural 78 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:40,920 standards and the building material standards that are in the ordinance. Um 79 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:44,200 There are a couple There are a couple 80 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:48,520 It It meets most of them. There are a couple items in which this proposal does 81 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:52,520 not meet the standards. Um I will talk about those in a minute. 82 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:55,440 The items in which it doesn't meet, the applicant is requesting a waiver from 83 00:07:54,120 --> 00:08:00,120 you and the planning commission can decide 84 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:06,160 whether to grant that waiver. Um the building is composed of composite wood 85 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:10,160 siding. This lower left elevation is the proposed 8 Mile elevation. 86 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:15,160 The entrance is proposed to be off the parking lot on the east. 87 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:20,320 Um all of the elevations are essentially treated the same and at the same quality 88 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:24,680 of design. Um Which is I think appropriate and 89 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:28,320 required by the ordinance. The uh 90 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:32,360 So, as I said, there This has been through 91 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:37,960 um two submissions already. Um there are a couple of things a few 92 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:42,360 things that remain unresolved. Um One of them is that the 93 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:45,760 uh for the for the project to proceed exactly as it 94 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,760 was presented to you, um 95 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:52,840 the public alley must be vacated because the applicant is proposing to pave the 96 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:56,080 public alley. Um It is rezoned. The zoning map is 97 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:59,120 amended. It is rezoned. The zoning map is amended to a 98 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,720 MU1. Um there were some engineering comments 99 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,880 that are still outstanding. I think those are appropriate to be addressed at 100 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,720 the engine page. 101 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:12,720 I think the most significant one that um 102 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:18,640 is not a matter of more information or might require redesign is the item of 103 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:24,520 impervious surface. Facade glazing must be 40%. Um it's currently at 37.2%. 104 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:31,680 I think the uh just 105 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:35,480 Our opinion about those waivers, the if They're sort of dependent on each other, 106 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:39,320 I guess. The um I I would grant that as it currently 107 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:43,840 stands, 8 Mile. It's unlikely that someone's going to walk to this building 108 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:48,200 from 8 Mile. Um but the ordinance is trying to move development in the city 109 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:51,920 in a direction where it that is more pedestrian friendly than it has been in 110 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:56,400 the past. Um but I I think there's an argument to be 111 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:59,400 made about the side entrance. Um The 112 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:05,320 uh glazing if there if there should be a door there 113 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:08,520 by ordinance standards and to accept pedestrians 114 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:12,520 from the M I L frontage if there is not a door there then I 115 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:15,960 think the windows it's attractively composed it's 116 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:20,320 the waiver request is only about 2 and 1/2% and that might be reasonable but I 117 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:25,600 think that's sort of dependent on what you think about the 118 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,600 the entrance. 119 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,160 With that I'm happy to answer any questions. 120 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:40,160 But as it's drawn it doesn't meet it. All of this land is um 121 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:45,400 outside of where the frontage landscaping is in this strip along the 122 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:50,200 property line and then around this triangular piece. 123 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:53,920 The rest of it is pavement and the um 124 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:57,920 from an ordinance perspective this building is over parked. It would only 125 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:05,240 need three three parking spaces for its employees. Um my understanding is that 126 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:08,839 the applicant because the EV spaces are um intended to be 127 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,960 retail charging. >> Walkable communities. 128 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:16,600 If you keep making variance we're going to never get there. That's one thing. 129 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,920 Like I said I've seen places there seem to be plenty space on the front of that 130 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:24,120 building to accommodate the lighting and the door and they still could have a 131 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:29,600 side interest. Which is at some point in time have to just move in the direction 132 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:33,640 of where we say we're want to go. Or either we don't want to go there one 133 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:37,480 of the two but I think that should be um a consideration that we should be you 134 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:43,160 know asking for a compliance because it's it's a new construction it can uh 135 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:47,360 combine the parcels together if they're not contiguous. 136 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:53,600 Okay. Um the 137 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:58,160 I did talk to the assessor about um and and we've had some conversation with 138 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:02,240 the applicant as well about um whether or not the dumpster enclosure is 139 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:05,280 necessary. I believe I think the applicant can clarify but I believe that 140 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:10,440 they would like to use that parcel at least for the electrical transformer. Um 141 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:14,000 there might be a scenario if if it's not necessary for vehicular access 142 00:12:12,839 --> 00:12:19,800 um that the plan could be revised to not 143 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:23,080 use the parcel for dumpster access. There are there are also overhead wires 144 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:26,560 underneath the location of the dumpster as it's currently drawn. 145 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:32,040 Um and then in that case I think the the 146 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:36,000 city's position would be that um there would need to be access agreements. 147 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:41,080 Perhaps the vacation wouldn't be necessary but there have to be um 148 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:47,040 easements recorded easements so that um the parcels are functional together even 149 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,040 if with a transfer of ownership. 150 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:52,200 Utilizing nine spots but four of those spots 151 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:57,360 were for the EV and that's not 152 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:01,720 in compliance with the ordinance either correct? 153 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:06,080 The um the number of parking spots 154 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:11,040 the the um it's a small business the 155 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:15,000 occupancy is less than 50 people so the zoning ordinance only requires that it 156 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:23,680 parks their employees. So um as it's drawn it is compliant. 157 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:26,120 Um I I [snorts] was suggesting that um from an ordinance perspective 158 00:13:25,659 --> 00:13:30,080 » [snorts] >> there's more parking than there needs to 159 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:37,320 be and that seems like a low hanging fruit for achieving the 160 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,320 impervious surface coverage maximum. 161 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:44,160 But the the revised So why are we rezoning the rear 162 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:47,920 of the building? I'm asking is it just to put a dumpster back there we're going 163 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:52,760 to pave the alley just for a dumpster or there's no space on the side that the 164 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,440 rezoning isn't necessary? I'm asking the question. 165 00:13:53,280 --> 00:14:01,080 » Um well I I think there are alternatives. 166 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:06,040 Um I think that the the I guess the comment about combining is 167 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:09,400 for this um if that and that 168 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:14,360 triangular parcel would have to be rezoned so it's not um split zoned 169 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:18,640 because if it's just sitting there and not being 170 00:14:17,079 --> 00:14:24,280 used then it can still be zoned residential and it's like nothing 171 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,280 happens but um 172 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:30,120 Some stuff I don't understand still. So we're taking the parcel yes it's 173 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:37,480 residential it's a small triangle and I'm asking the use of that triangle 174 00:14:32,079 --> 00:14:41,160 would be for rezoning it for a dumpster. And we talked and we talked about you 175 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:45,400 know zoning areas that we've already have designated. 176 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:49,680 And we're we're combining parcels and we're going to rezone it combining 177 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,520 parcels and we're going to rezone it. You know how many other spaces are going 178 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:56,280 to say well it's you know how many other spaces are going to say well it's next 179 00:14:53,959 --> 00:15:00,200 door is adjacent is across the alley can I just rezone next door is adjacent is 180 00:14:57,959 --> 00:15:04,200 across the alley can I just rezone that? We can get into this spot rezoning zone 181 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:07,320 that we can get into this spot rezoning endlessly and we keep setting you know 182 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,959 patterns endlessly and we keep setting you know 183 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:15,839 patterns for that. I'm just trying to understand it with the amount of land 184 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:19,079 that it seems that's held do we really need 185 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:25,240 do we really need to go down that pathway? And if we do need to go down 186 00:15:22,079 --> 00:15:31,280 that pathway and if we do keep doing this I think we'll keep doing this I 187 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:35,760 think we'll just keep doing this. Miss closing it off and vacating that 188 00:15:33,839 --> 00:15:39,920 and then what we do with it. So those are the two issues I have. The property 189 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:45,640 has the ability to put another dumpster or small supply unit of 190 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:51,400 waste management on it. But we're we're willing to listen to what the the owner 191 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:56,600 of the property wants to do. Sir if you wouldn't mind just put your 192 00:15:53,079 --> 00:15:56,600 name on the piece of paper please. 193 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:06,440 Put my name on the Should be a piece of paper up there. 194 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:10,959 Yeah if there's a pen just put your name on it please. Residential zoning is my 195 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:13,920 understanding. Um and it was put back there on purpose. 196 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:18,400 The in a perfect world we would vacate the 197 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:24,440 alley but if you look and um Paul maybe you can point out 198 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:27,079 there's a a residential corner um 199 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:32,400 on the upper left there. When you vacate the alley um 200 00:16:29,959 --> 00:16:38,200 each side of the alley is entitled to the to half of the alley vacation. 201 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:41,920 So we kind of drew this up so the alley 202 00:16:39,839 --> 00:16:46,000 would not need to be vacated because we would risk 203 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:49,600 not being able to use a corner of the alley. 204 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:53,440 Um it could technically be fenced off. Now um 205 00:16:51,839 --> 00:16:57,680 uh city the city planner and I have talked 206 00:16:55,640 --> 00:17:04,079 electrical lines running along this alley which we've met with DTE about 207 00:17:01,959 --> 00:17:07,560 where to put this transformer and they said they said well this is the bottom 208 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:12,120 of the pole this is like the most ideal place. Um and most economical and it's 209 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:17,959 kind of for us it's out of the way in the back. Um 210 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:22,199 to get away with not having to rezone that back parcel and vacate the 211 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:25,839 alley you know 212 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:30,160 that transformer could move across the alley to be behind the building if 213 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:33,920 absolutely needed but from our use perspective it makes sense to 214 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:38,440 have it in the back. Um 215 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:41,800 so that's kind of what our thinking was with this. 216 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:45,640 Real real estate company with three employees. There'd be a couple offices 217 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:49,000 in the front. The door would not be used. We don't have people 218 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:53,640 we're not retail we don't have people walking in off the street. 219 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:57,000 The only real access to this the is from the parking lot. People park and 220 00:17:55,080 --> 00:18:00,880 they walk in whether we have clients or guests or it's just us coming in and 221 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:05,880 out. So we we request to move the door to the side 222 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:10,160 because of that. We don't have anybody just walking in and you know 223 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:13,200 to buy something or to to do anything like that. 224 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:16,360 So that was the reason behind it. We could still put a door there. It's it's 225 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,600 a much more expensive concrete it's it's a much more expensive concrete. We were 226 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:23,240 hoping to prefer not to have to do that and spend 227 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:27,640 the extra money but if if we want we have to meet the city's requirements. Um 228 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:31,080 additionally um in the back of the building so the 229 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:37,200 top of the drawing I mean if if we weren't able to pave the 230 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:41,440 alley or that back parcel all that would stay grass. 231 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:45,560 And so there would be more um perviousness on the on the parcel 232 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:50,400 on the on the plan. It could comply with what 233 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:56,159 those requirements are that we're asking that we should probably try and keep 234 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:59,760 moving forward in the way that we want to bring the city. 235 00:18:57,919 --> 00:19:03,600 And so if a door can be installed on the front 236 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:06,800 I would my question be why why wouldn't it be? 237 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:11,679 And that would put you without having to do you know the waivers etc. 238 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:18,679 So I I would at first I was in agreement 239 00:19:14,919 --> 00:19:23,159 there and have a picnic. Um I but I I have no problem at first I had 240 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:26,520 a problem with no door in the front but I really don't have a problem with that 241 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:34,000 now and I think about all of those commercial businesses fronting Vernier. 242 00:19:30,159 --> 00:19:34,000 I I I don't have an issue with that. 243 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:43,240 We also have other established businesses throughout the city 244 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:47,159 that have doorways off of their parking lots but not necessarily 245 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:52,120 » ments and then we're removing ments and then we're removing them. I understand 246 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:55,680 if it was a need or use um but this is just a you know, 247 00:19:54,280 --> 00:20:01,720 but this is just a building that's being erected for office and storage. 248 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:05,640 And so therefore we said it doesn't need to comply. That's how it translates to 249 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,080 me. Then what are we going to do with the rest of the zones? 250 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:14,000 But that's just my point. I'll get off my soapbox. 251 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,000 Mr. Myers, your thoughts? 252 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:28,280 But that's what we have to think through, but if he's willing to move 253 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:33,240 that triangle situation over and leave it green, that saves his previous issue, 254 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:37,120 keeps his parking space, and then the only last piece you have to address is 255 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:42,160 whether you want a front door or not. And then I think he's got a 256 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,160 compliance for us. 257 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:52,080 So what what you're saying, John, that will alleviate the rezoning? Yes. Abs- 258 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,960 Okay. And the and the freezing of the the vacating of the alley. 259 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,280 Okay. >> Which he has 40. 260 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:01,920 So, the intention is as I had mentioned is have offices in 261 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:05,760 the front. It'll likely be a drop ceiling, which would have 262 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:11,680 glass above. I'm sorry. So there'd be nothing 263 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:14,840 in that above section. Mhm. Um, so 264 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,400 you this is the other thing we were asking for, Lenny. I don't mean to like 265 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,800 flip-flop with because I know we were moving on these other things, but this 266 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:25,520 is the other thing that we were asking for a waiver on. Um, 267 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:30,160 it was on the glass requirement. Um, 268 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:34,280 so yeah. So Mr. Chair, if I can clarify and form in the math for everybody at 269 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:40,240 the table, you're asking for a waiver from 37 and 1/2 to 40, which is about 2 270 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:47,160 and 1/2 per- I gave you two options because I was not 271 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:51,120 I I don't think you can approve it conditionally if there's a redesign that 272 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:58,280 still needs to happen. So how about we table this discussion and we tackle it 273 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,280 next month? Is that 274 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:04,679 Is that would that be better to give you a month and come back with a revised 275 00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:06,640 site plan with all the changes? If that's what you wish, then yes, it would 276 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,880 be much cleaner. >> Commission, how do you feel? 277 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:15,080 Let's table it. All right, there we go. Can I get a motion to table this 278 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:19,840 discussion until the What is April? Losing track of time. 279 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:24,800 Plan review approval can begin for the building of the of the of the structure 280 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:28,960 while we're waiting for special land use approval of the variables that we've 281 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:34,120 just discussed for him to create in drawings. 282 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:37,320 That could be the conditional approval. Is that would that work better for you? 283 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,440 » it. Yeah. 284 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,960 Mhm. And they you you all can still work on 285 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:54,480 what you just mentioned, too, even but is is irrelevant. I I'm 286 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:59,920 going to have it. If it had been 2.9, you were out of luck. 287 00:22:56,120 --> 00:23:05,760 Um, but 2.8, I'm fine. I well I you know, I I concede uh, Commissioner 288 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:10,200 Naylor's point on the front door. Uh, she is right, but I'm also looking 289 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:15,080 at the front doors that are going along Vernier right now and other businesses, 290 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:21,000 and it is an office. It's not a retail establishment, and the family owns ch- 291 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:25,920 changing of the zoning, and number three, it would give him more room for 292 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,920 previous property. 293 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:33,240 So those three those are the So the door and that back triangular piece are the 294 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:38,160 big pieces that you have to wait for him to draw and and give 295 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:43,400 recommendations of what your the the council is thinking. 296 00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:43,400 The commission is thinking. 297 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:56,800 Brings it up to 40%. Um, I guess my own personal feeling 298 00:23:53,760 --> 00:24:00,080 is that the the window like the facade is designed, [snorts] 299 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,640 there's not a lot of more window to be had there. Since it's an office 300 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,960 building, I think the percentage of glass is a reasonable waiver. 301 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,520 Um, but I I also think there should be a 302 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:14,360 door there. So, um, I I think it would improve it, but I I 303 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:19,640 don't know. Um, it's we would be okay with the 2.8%. 304 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:24,320 And you would not touch the square. I mean the the triangle, which would not 305 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:27,800 require any rezoning, right? So that would put us all on the same 306 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:31,600 page. So 307 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:35,200 need to see that next month. Call 308 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:40,040 Call the roll. Dang. 309 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:42,440 Secretary, please be secretary. I second that. 310 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:48,887 We have motion, we have support. Please call the roll. 311 00:24:46,867 --> 00:24:48,887 » [laughter] 312 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:18,120 » Mr. Sassick. No, Miss Chairman, we have a nom- we 313 00:25:15,679 --> 00:25:23,600 have a nomination. I make a nomination that Mr. Sassick 314 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:27,800 remain in his position as co-chair. Vice chair. 315 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:32,280 Support. I make a nomination for nomination for Mr. Stokes. 316 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,960 For Mr. Stokes. 317 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:46,280 All right. I We've never had that before. We've never had that before. 318 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:53,760 What do we think? You. Mrs. Moody. You. Mrs. Moody. Yes. Mrs. Hall-Rayford. 319 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,952 Yes. Miss Naylor, you were thinking about 320 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,972 taking that back, weren't you? >> [laughter] 321 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:08,720 » Um, Mr. Stokes. Yes. Mr. Zelinski. Yes. Um, Chairman DeHunt. 322 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:12,080 Yes. And Mr. Sassick, do you accept? >> Yeah. 323 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:18,000 The new news is as of last month we have a live active construction appeals board 324 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:21,040 ready to be addressing the technology and the issues coming into our five-year 325 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:26,120 master plan and a lot of our construction issues that we've been 326 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:29,720 struggling with. They've been appealing based on codes, based on violence, and 327 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,840 they don't agree that I'm there, but now we have an account- with the 328 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:36,679 understanding that 329 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:42,600 existing buildings would be grandfathered, protected under this 330 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:48,200 section 11.07, and then I was very surprised to hear at 331 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:52,320 the City Council meeting February 17th, very clearly our city manager, Mr. Ryan 332 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:56,600 Madden, instructor to be aware, to give you a heads-up that 333 00:26:54,360 --> 00:27:02,040 if something happens, you cannot build it in the same spot that it is now. 334 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:06,920 Um, I you know, again as a homeowner, I would be very upset if 335 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:13,560 for any reason, whether it's a tornado, a fire, or if I simply want to rebuild 336 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:20,280 my 70-year-old garage, and we all had 2 ft between the garage 337 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:25,640 and and the fences, and somehow they managed to take care of their 338 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:32,520 property. Um, so to say we're changing an ordinance to try and change 339 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:37,040 irresponsibly property in my neighborhood that I can leave it where 340 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:42,240 it is. So just something to consider in the future. I understand for new builds 341 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:47,280 we want new builds to be this way, and I agree with that, but I don't think we 342 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:51,000 should penalize thousands of residents um that now have non-conforming 343 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,040 structures sitting in their backyards. Thank you very much, and again I 344 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:59,080 appreciate all of you. to address the five-year mas- to address 345 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:03,240 the five-year master plan. And I'm excited what I heard from all of you 346 00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:06,600 tonight. master plan. And I'm excited what I heard from all of you tonight. It 347 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:11,720 was about It was about addressing the future of 348 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:17,480 this city, and I realize addressing the future of this city, and I realize there 349 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:22,760 always will be somebody that won't like what happens, but we can't only take 350 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:27,840 care of only take care of and we must take care of the elder 351 00:28:24,919 --> 00:28:31,600 relations to and we must take care of the elder relations to 352 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:37,000 garage garage roofs that are in in deplorable 353 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:41,600 conditions, all the ways to roofs that are in in deplorable conditions, all the 354 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:45,520 ways that we know exactly what the details are so that we can calculate 355 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:50,000 what kind of clean up we're really going to take they're going to take in the 356 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,960 next five-year master plan. Thank you for your hard work that you're going to 357 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:56,640 have to in the next five-year master plan. Thank you for your hard work that 358 00:28:54,760 --> 00:29:00,400 you're going to have to do 359 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:03,880 We're now working to restructure and rebuild the neighborhood block block 360 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:08,560 watch program with the fire and police department, so they will become in the 361 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:12,120 internal sections of each of our districts 362 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:18,000 a part of our team, not to be whistleblowers, but paying attention to 363 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:23,520 things that happen and give our staff uh, the ability and 1,200 more to be 364 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:27,720 registered above that list. So every time we go into a rental property, we 365 00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:34,360 have the property rights to walk through that backyard and do blight on the 366 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:39,120 exterior based on the new IPMC 2021. Soon as I'm in that backyard, 367 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:43,040 I get to see down the backyards, and I can I can take a photograph from 368 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:47,480 that. So if we give them more time to be clerks and answering conversations about 369 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:51,760 every address, then we won't have time for them to be on the field. We've gone 370 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:55,360 to a digital ticketing system so they don't have to be in the office writing 371 00:29:53,360 --> 00:30:00,680 them by hand. So, as they are in the field, if you need a specific cut up the 372 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:04,960 concrete and put a smaller garage on. That seems very common sense for someone 373 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:08,320 who's had already a disaster, but that's my thoughts. Other than that, 374 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:12,240 let's just get ready for a great year. Keep focusing on our master plan. I know 375 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,600 it's tough questions and people come before us. 376 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:20,040 Um but that's the point of us having our administrative part so we can guide the 377 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:26,640 build out. And the commission was quick not to 378 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:30,080 and the commission was quick not to allow him to do that, which was fine. 379 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:33,520 And I mean, I understand. But then tonight we was almost at the point of 380 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:38,840 allowing this person to to make some changes to 381 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,680 that would affect the rezoning. So, I think we just have to have clarity 382 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:49,960 there and be more consistent in the things that we're going to do. And 383 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,960 also have say, have a wonderful evening. 384 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,440 God bless you. 385 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,520 God bless you. 386 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,960 Uh I have nothing to say other than 387 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,440 uh I have nothing to say other than don't 388 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,960 forget to lose don't forget to lose your hour of sleep this weekend. 389 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:33,600 I want to thank everybody. I enjoy working with all of you. 390 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:37,960 I think we have really good discussions and some of the decisions we wind up 391 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:43,440 making maybe aren't always right, but we're doing the best we can. And I also 392 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:46,440 want to congratulate Commissioner Stokes on his uh 393 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:51,240 um that family has been spectacular 394 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:55,320 supporters of the city of East Point. When so many businesses closed and moved 395 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,880 away, they stayed 396 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:03,520 and continued to put out a quality product that people will come from miles 397 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:08,320 around because that's what they did with their grandma 50 years 398 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:12,400 I got the gavel. I got the gavel. 399 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:16,160 With that said, can I get a motion to close the meeting? 400 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:19,160 So, motion. Support. With motion. Support. We have a motion by 401 00:32:18,167 --> 00:32:25,880 » [laughter] >> Ms. Moody and support by Ms. A motion by 402 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:29,800 Ms. Moody and support by Ms. Ulinski. Secretary, please call the roll. Ms. 403 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,320 Moody. Yes. Ms. Ulinski. Yes. Ms. Rayford Hall Rayford. 404 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:36,320 » Yes. Mr. Stokes. 405 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:39,800 » Yes. Ms. Naylor. Yes. Mr. Sassek. Yes. Chairman DeHaan. Yes.