1 00:00:12,210 --> 00:00:26,970 So, to refresh all of our memories, which are, we're at 4.02.040, 040. Okay, thank you. 2 00:00:30,670 --> 00:00:33,770 And on my iPad, it's page 87, 3 00:00:36,630 --> 00:00:38,390 line 13 through 18. 4 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,840 Oh, he has two spots. Okay. Okay. 5 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:50,920 Okay. 6 00:00:57,460 --> 00:01:06,820 The first spot here is under 2.04.485, where supervisors are asking that the wording 7 00:01:06,820 --> 00:01:13,760 stay the same and not be changed. So it would read the annual budget from the County 8 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:22,160 Board to the committee provide its recommendations, recommendations to the County Board instead 9 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,760 Instead of the proposed recommended budget. 10 00:01:25,740 --> 00:01:25,740 So 11 00:01:30,670 --> 00:01:38,330 we haven't made, I was just having to pull it up, but thank you for that. 12 00:01:38,670 --> 00:01:38,810 Okay. 13 00:01:39,210 --> 00:01:48,430 So we have a motion by supervisor Schmeier and I need a second to move forward on this. 14 00:01:48,430 --> 00:01:56,750 So supervisor Dunning seconds in order to move forward on the amendment. 15 00:02:02,150 --> 00:02:05,470 It's not clear out in radio land what the amendment is. 16 00:02:05,650 --> 00:02:13,930 You know what, I'm having the same problem because I can, my eyes are not able to read it so far away from me. 17 00:02:16,420 --> 00:02:16,860 May I? 18 00:02:27,690 --> 00:02:33,070 I'm asking the clerk to help me to clarify the two places. 19 00:02:34,230 --> 00:02:48,350 The first place is lines 22 of the section 2.04.485 and that would be to not make the strike 20 00:02:48,350 --> 00:02:53,550 out there, leave it as worded, provide its recommendations to the county board. 21 00:02:56,070 --> 00:03:06,470 So would it be two separate amendments and then the second one is in section 4.02.040. 22 00:03:07,810 --> 00:03:16,530 Line 17, yeah 17 and 18, which is also to use the original wording where it would say committee 23 00:03:16,530 --> 00:03:21,390 on Finance and Budget, shall submit to the Board its recommendation of the proposed budget. 24 00:03:22,190 --> 00:03:29,830 The only clarification would might entertain is to clarify recommendation because it 25 00:03:29,830 --> 00:03:35,730 includes amendments or amendments recommendations. To me, it doesn't matter because they're the same. 26 00:03:38,470 --> 00:03:41,370 And I'd like to provide a brief rationale. 27 00:03:41,370 --> 00:03:51,610 Now, my interest is that what comes back from budget and finance is not the budget as 28 00:03:51,610 --> 00:03:57,850 by-net budget and finance has changed it, but the administrator's budget and however 29 00:03:57,850 --> 00:04:03,330 we want to clarify what it is a budget and finance is saying should change, whether that's 30 00:04:03,330 --> 00:04:04,690 a recommendation or an amendment. 31 00:04:05,370 --> 00:04:12,730 So the document that Supervisor Pagonis described, I think, would meet that requirement. 32 00:04:13,090 --> 00:04:17,330 I just want to make sure that what comes back to the board is not the administrative 33 00:04:17,330 --> 00:04:22,310 budget, which budget and finance has changed and is now presenting to the board. 34 00:04:23,070 --> 00:04:24,010 That's my intent. 35 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:38,610 Are there any other comments or questions about this was the second one the first one was 36 00:04:38,610 --> 00:04:50,970 earlier in the section up here section 2.04.485. Okay and then the so that's 37 00:04:50,970 --> 00:04:58,610 and then the second one was down here in section 4.020.040. 38 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,540 917 and 18. 39 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:10,860 So in both cases, Supervisor Schmeyer, I'd like to keep the wording as it was. 40 00:05:13,700 --> 00:05:35,280 So I would done discussing it here. But unless I'm missing the boat here, wording as it was, would put back in amendments to the administrators and just say budget. So the way. No. Well, but that's what that if it's reverting back. 41 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:37,140 That's what it would say. 42 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,160 What I want to do is remove the strikeout. 43 00:05:40,540 --> 00:05:41,260 I'm sorry. 44 00:05:42,260 --> 00:05:44,920 Remove the changed version that's here. 45 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,020 To go back to what it's changing from. 46 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:52,800 Now my understanding is the original is struck out with a line. 47 00:05:52,860 --> 00:05:53,400 Is that correct? 48 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:54,000 Yes. 49 00:05:54,460 --> 00:05:59,340 So I want to be amendments to the administrators is within the original. 50 00:05:59,720 --> 00:05:59,920 Yes. 51 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,680 And you want that put back in. 52 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:15,080 Okay. All right. Just one and so and you're leaving in of the proposed budget of the proposed because that's additional language. It's not a proposed budget. Okay. 53 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:25,160 So can I read this and tell me if I'm correct because I'm still confused after such listening sessions. 54 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:36,880 the committee on budget and finance that shall submit to the board its recommendation for amendments to the administrator's budget. 55 00:06:37,580 --> 00:06:38,540 Is that correct? 56 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:43,340 That's reverting it back to whether it's original. 57 00:06:43,540 --> 00:06:43,720 Yes. 58 00:06:44,140 --> 00:06:46,920 Okay, so should I read that to everybody again? 59 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,220 Does everybody got it? 60 00:06:49,220 --> 00:07:13,140 Okay, and then 42045 is that was that was 4.0 2.0 4.0 the other one was earlier on in section 2.0 4.485 he wants to leave it as provided's recommendations to the county board. 61 00:07:13,140 --> 00:07:15,620 Yes, that's correct. 62 00:07:23,590 --> 00:07:27,390 Okay, so we have several comments. 63 00:07:27,910 --> 00:07:31,430 Supervisor Pagones, this has to be two amendments, correct? 64 00:07:31,990 --> 00:07:32,950 Yes, thank you. 65 00:07:33,510 --> 00:07:40,010 So the proposed amendment defeats the purpose of our revisions here. 66 00:07:40,770 --> 00:07:50,130 The point of the revisions is for increased improved collaboration between the county administrator and the committee on finance and budget. 67 00:07:50,130 --> 00:07:56,410 It was lost over the last eight years, and we would like to restore it. 68 00:07:57,090 --> 00:08:03,030 Part of the restoration is the transparency that I keep talking about. 69 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,230 Certainly finance and budget would have some type of narrative if they make changes. 70 00:08:08,910 --> 00:08:18,930 But by going back to amendments to the administrators budget, it just puts us back with no role 71 00:08:18,930 --> 00:08:20,670 as a finance and budget committee. 72 00:08:20,990 --> 00:08:25,350 It removes the purpose of finance and budget committee. 73 00:08:25,950 --> 00:08:33,670 So that's the part of the point behind making these changes, is that we're looking for improved collaboration. 74 00:08:34,290 --> 00:08:35,030 Thank you. 75 00:08:35,510 --> 00:08:36,630 Supervisor Wilkie. 76 00:08:37,990 --> 00:08:45,830 Well, our finance chair, Andy Hitton, what I was thrust of what I wanted to say. 77 00:08:46,830 --> 00:08:55,390 We're trying to get away from making amendments on the administrators recommended budget. 78 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:57,490 That's still submitted to you. 79 00:08:57,670 --> 00:08:58,470 You see that? 80 00:08:58,930 --> 00:09:06,550 You're making with this proposed amendment, you're going right back to that as the process. 81 00:09:06,890 --> 00:09:13,090 Whereas the original resolution brought us back to the Finance and Budget Committee actually 82 00:09:13,090 --> 00:09:20,070 having some authority, some privilege to be a finance and budget committee, and present it 83 00:09:20,070 --> 00:09:27,050 to you all at once in their column, not a bunch of piecemealed amendments to get it where they 84 00:09:27,050 --> 00:09:36,250 recommend it to be. I strongly encourage you to defeat this amendment otherwise. In fact, you have 85 00:09:36,250 --> 00:09:43,710 taking away the good progress that has been made here. I would also suggest to you, it's my 86 00:09:43,710 --> 00:09:51,830 understanding and they can speak up if I misspoke that the administrator, our current administrator, 87 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:12,940 Director, is just fine with what's before you without the amendment. Your court council is just fine with what's before you without the amendment. Don't mess it up. 88 00:10:15,110 --> 00:10:17,190 Thank you. Supervisor Deluca. 89 00:10:19,230 --> 00:10:30,030 I'm kind of reverting back to when I first came on the board in about 2016, 2017. We had two columns that came 90 00:10:30,030 --> 00:10:42,110 in the budget process, and the administrator's budget was listed, and then in the column next to it was the finance and budget recommended changes to the budget. 91 00:10:43,330 --> 00:10:50,870 And during that time, I don't remember it stating which one we were actually working off of. 92 00:10:51,950 --> 00:11:00,030 I think what Supervisor Snier is concerned about is that we're defining we're only going 93 00:11:00,030 --> 00:11:05,370 to work off of the Finance and Budget 1, which you could revert back to administrators, 94 00:11:06,190 --> 00:11:06,990 you know, and so forth. 95 00:11:07,270 --> 00:11:17,050 So I don't know, because that's that proposed budget, is there a way that, you know, we can 96 00:11:17,050 --> 00:11:24,790 have those columns there, see them and just debate what's there, not saying which one we're 97 00:11:24,790 --> 00:11:29,490 going to start working off of. I think that is kind of his concern. 98 00:11:30,110 --> 00:11:35,910 I think you're absolutely right. Supervisor or Director Sumanski, you had a comment? 99 00:11:36,210 --> 00:11:43,050 No, I just just procedurally we need to establish where we have what we have is a starting point, 100 00:11:43,050 --> 00:11:48,570 So we decide where we need to have amendments and whether it needs to be a vote, right? 101 00:11:49,350 --> 00:11:56,270 If we start with the Committee on Finance and Budget's budget, we don't have to vote on 102 00:11:56,270 --> 00:11:56,810 their changes. 103 00:11:56,830 --> 00:12:01,530 If we start with the Administrator's budget, then we would have to vote on their changes. 104 00:12:01,670 --> 00:12:02,270 There's a board in the hall. 105 00:12:02,290 --> 00:12:03,050 Vote on changes. 106 00:12:03,370 --> 00:12:08,890 So if we agreed with the Administrator, correct, the Administrator's budget, we would then 107 00:12:08,890 --> 00:12:11,930 and make an amendment to go back to the administrative budget? 108 00:12:11,970 --> 00:12:12,890 That's where I'm... 109 00:12:12,890 --> 00:12:14,410 Yes, yes, so that's the next step. 110 00:12:14,550 --> 00:12:18,150 So that's how you would, if a supervisor did not agree, 111 00:12:18,350 --> 00:12:20,010 then, with the Canadian finances budget, 112 00:12:20,230 --> 00:12:24,310 they would have to propose an amendment to go back 113 00:12:24,310 --> 00:12:26,070 to the administrators, but... 114 00:12:26,070 --> 00:12:26,370 Perfect. 115 00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:27,430 Does that make sense? 116 00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:28,650 The difference between the two? 117 00:12:29,250 --> 00:12:32,190 Administrator Johnson, would you like to weigh in on this 118 00:12:32,190 --> 00:12:33,750 or try to figure it out? 119 00:12:34,030 --> 00:12:36,910 Well, to go to Supervisor DeLuke's point, 120 00:12:36,910 --> 00:12:42,330 I think it's hard to envision it, but there will be a progression in a logical flow 121 00:12:42,330 --> 00:12:46,610 left to right, in totality as we go forward, right? 122 00:12:46,930 --> 00:12:50,570 So that's how we'll view that, so we know how that budget is being developed. 123 00:12:51,370 --> 00:12:53,990 So in each column, you might see something, right? 124 00:12:54,690 --> 00:12:58,070 Whether it's administrator's budget, you'll see that, but then if the Finance and Budget 125 00:12:58,070 --> 00:13:01,170 Committee along with Finance Director and myself, we use this side. 126 00:13:01,350 --> 00:13:02,930 Oh, I missed that. 127 00:13:02,930 --> 00:13:07,750 But there's something we could have taken care of, the Finance and Budget Committee, or 128 00:13:07,750 --> 00:13:13,070 could be from another committee, will make that change and that goes from left to right. 129 00:13:13,890 --> 00:13:17,050 So the budget document continues to move forward in that progression. 130 00:13:17,710 --> 00:13:19,730 So it's not a column to column. 131 00:13:19,990 --> 00:13:23,310 It's all working together in that direction from left to right. 132 00:13:23,630 --> 00:13:26,270 And you'll see those numbers that way. 133 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,760 So, the Super Buds are Schmeier. 134 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:44,180 Again, my concern is that what comes back to the board from budget and finance is the administrator's budget along with the recommended changes. 135 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:55,380 The way that this is phrased makes it seem as if the committee and budget and finance is sending back to the board a changed administrator's budget. 136 00:13:55,820 --> 00:13:57,140 Here's what we're recommending. 137 00:13:57,140 --> 00:13:57,960 Yes. 138 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,880 And let me finish, please. 139 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:06,880 And so it's the administrator who has the authority to draw up the budget and submit it. 140 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:14,980 Budget and finance does not have the authority to make changes in that budget, but I certainly 141 00:14:14,980 --> 00:14:18,060 like the idea of laying it out clearly. 142 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:19,300 Here's the budget. 143 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:20,080 Here are the changes. 144 00:14:20,540 --> 00:14:22,740 If we do it in the column format, I don't care how it's done. 145 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:28,600 I just wanted to be sure that what we get back from budget finance is the administrative 146 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:35,120 budget along with the wisdom of the finance and budget committee and that can be done 147 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,480 in the way that was described by the supervisor Pagonis in the document. 148 00:14:40,220 --> 00:14:45,900 I just want to make sure that what comes back is not a changed administrative budget. 149 00:14:46,340 --> 00:14:47,260 Yes, it is. 150 00:14:47,580 --> 00:14:47,940 That's all. 151 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:48,920 Yes, sir. 152 00:14:48,940 --> 00:14:49,320 Thank you. 153 00:14:50,020 --> 00:14:50,840 Supervisors look. 154 00:14:51,740 --> 00:14:58,240 Thank you. I think we kind of get caught up in language sometimes because we talk about the 155 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,980 administrator's budget and it's 156 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:29,500 It's really not. It's the county's budget. It's the administrators recommended of how we should run our budget. Using this format, we are simply saying we have the opportunity to see both numbers. So it's not that you're changing the administrators suggested at all. You're putting yours right next to it. And if we say this is the line we want to go forward with. 157 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:35,800 first it's like director Samansky's dad any supervisor can always say well I 158 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:41,600 would have rather had the back one let's amend to go there otherwise my first 159 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,840 year on finance and budget I think we had 22 amendments last year we got off 160 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:54,600 easy so this would simplify it and it really is everything on the same page so 161 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,320 So nobody's taking one budget over another. 162 00:15:58,140 --> 00:16:04,200 So I would vote no to this amendment, and let's get this program going. 163 00:16:04,460 --> 00:16:04,800 Thank you. 164 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:17,340 Well, I think at this point, we should go to vote on the amendment, and everyone's clear on what the amendment is, I think we've drilled it and drilled it. 165 00:16:20,350 --> 00:16:26,750 Oh, I don't know if she can, she would have to email it to you to have it show up on your pad, right? 166 00:16:55,450 --> 00:16:59,690 It's my point. We can't vote on my pad. 167 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,960 So what you're seeing on the screen is being recorded along with our discussion. So this is, you know, right. 168 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:19,240 So the vote I described it as the areas of a amendment by supervisor Schmeyer. Do you see that part on your iPad? 169 00:17:19,940 --> 00:17:27,140 No, my thing is covered up by what no, I don't know what it is. That's not working right. You don't see that 170 00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:36,230 Okay, can you see what's on the screen? Yes, there you can read that. I 171 00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:39,730 Can read that yes. Okay, so when is this damn thing? 172 00:17:39,730 --> 00:17:51,490 is called questions. So everybody's ready to vote on. No, it's no, it won't up on me. 173 00:17:51,490 --> 00:17:54,710 Oh, yeah, what just happened. 174 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,320 Patient. No, but I don't have to kill it. 175 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,180 Yeah, sorry, this is still working. So sorry, 176 00:18:09,180 --> 00:18:21,580 I went to the WCA handbook and in the handbook in the budget calendar timeline it specifically 177 00:18:21,580 --> 00:18:27,260 says the finance committee submits the amended budget proposal to the county board. 178 00:18:28,580 --> 00:18:35,060 So it's the WCA according to Supervisor Smirer, WCA has it wrong. 179 00:18:35,060 --> 00:18:47,680 Yeah, or different. Well, okay. Super supervisor Schmeier, do you want one last while we're bigger in this out? No. Well, we have we have 180 00:18:47,680 --> 00:19:00,820 we want to vote. I can't wait to vote. Can you get it up now? Okay. Okay. So this is we're voting now on the amendment that we've just discussed. 181 00:19:00,820 --> 00:19:06,620 So if you agree with the amendment, you are going to vote yes. 182 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,160 Schneider, no, confirm. 183 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:12,580 No, confirmed. 184 00:19:14,990 --> 00:19:16,460 Leary, no, confirmed. 185 00:19:16,860 --> 00:19:17,340 Ickley. 186 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:20,000 Ickley, no. 187 00:19:20,380 --> 00:19:21,220 No, confirmed. 188 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,180 Tom, sick. 189 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,320 Yes, no. 190 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:29,860 I can't hear you, I'm sorry. 191 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:34,420 Who's going? 192 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:44,480 Yes. Yes. Confirms. 193 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:59,000 Good boy. No. Confirmed. Anyone else who can't get their machine to work? Kirk. No. Kirk doll. No. Night. No. 194 00:20:02,770 --> 00:20:23,730 Okay. We had five yeses, 22 no to absent, so the amendment does fail. So let's go on to the proposed. Back to the proposed. I got to find it here. 195 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:34,020 File 22 dash 20, 22, 25 dash 26 slash 047. 196 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:45,720 This is the original ordinance now and I think we will just go to a vote on the original ordinance. 197 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:54,740 If you agree with the original ordinance, you will vote yes, the change to how we are going to do our budget. 198 00:20:59,140 --> 00:21:00,200 Yes, confirmed. 199 00:21:00,580 --> 00:21:01,840 Nighter, yes, confirmed. 200 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:02,600 Ikely. 201 00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:08,070 Ikely, yes. 202 00:21:08,250 --> 00:21:09,270 Yes, confirmed. 203 00:21:10,550 --> 00:21:11,130 Tomseck. 204 00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:12,190 Yes. 205 00:21:12,850 --> 00:21:13,430 Confirmed. 206 00:21:13,550 --> 00:21:13,930 Good boy. 207 00:21:14,650 --> 00:21:14,910 Yes. 208 00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:16,830 Confirmed. 209 00:21:17,170 --> 00:21:17,990 Who else? 210 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:18,690 Anybody else? 211 00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:19,350 Night. 212 00:21:20,370 --> 00:21:21,290 Yes, confirmed. 213 00:21:23,370 --> 00:21:24,170 All right. 214 00:21:24,430 --> 00:21:27,650 We have 27, yes, and two absent. 215 00:21:28,030 --> 00:21:29,210 So it does pass. 216 00:21:29,970 --> 00:21:32,210 Thank you all for a very good debate. 217 00:21:32,210 --> 00:21:32,490 debate. 218 00:21:35,170 --> 00:21:40,430 Now we are on 25-26-006. 219 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,100 How is it to do with our fun balance? 220 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,380 A resolution 221 00:21:53,380 --> 00:21:56,680 on financial policy, fun balance policy. 222 00:21:58,690 --> 00:22:01,450 So I have a motion by supervisor theory, a 223 00:22:01,450 --> 00:22:09,350 second by supervisor Wilkie, explanation by supervisor Pagona. Thank you. You've seen 224 00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:16,090 this several times, this version of the fund balance policy was an iterative process. 225 00:22:16,490 --> 00:22:22,630 It started with Supervisor Zook with some sentences, which I then expanded to add more sentences, 226 00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:30,870 and then we sent it to Director Semanski, who put in even more sentences and all the hard 227 00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:35,130 parts of the definitions and the explanations. 228 00:22:35,130 --> 00:22:44,670 So, one of the pieces of this is that the madam treasure would like a fund balance of 229 00:22:44,670 --> 00:22:45,310 $15 million. 230 00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:48,050 She says it's necessary for cash flow. 231 00:22:48,770 --> 00:22:56,450 She was pretty irate after the last time it failed because she was quite clear with me. 232 00:22:56,690 --> 00:22:58,590 This is what we need for cash flow. 233 00:22:59,750 --> 00:23:03,370 So, we went through, like as I said, an iterative process, 234 00:23:03,370 --> 00:23:05,610 how do we back into it? 235 00:23:05,650 --> 00:23:06,670 How do we come up with it? 236 00:23:07,250 --> 00:23:09,590 And so, it was Supervisor Zook, 237 00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:12,430 said if we take the tax levy, 238 00:23:12,910 --> 00:23:15,770 and we take our sales tax, 239 00:23:16,150 --> 00:23:16,970 and we combine them, 240 00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:19,390 and then use that as our basis. 241 00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:22,410 And so, that's pretty much what we've done. 242 00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:25,650 It's important to note that 243 00:23:25,650 --> 00:23:32,290 that the fund balance policy is a policy to not remove money from the fund balance. 244 00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:35,750 It doesn't really have much information on how it gets there. 245 00:23:36,090 --> 00:23:38,230 It's just to avoid removing it. 246 00:23:38,790 --> 00:23:44,350 So Attorney Macklewam said, well, if you're going to make a budget amendment, the money 247 00:23:44,350 --> 00:23:45,750 has come from somewhere. 248 00:23:46,370 --> 00:23:53,690 Well, I remember years past where some department needed XYZ and we took it out of the fund balance, 249 00:23:53,690 --> 00:24:07,210 and that became a habit and so this is now trying to put the fund balance into a more controlled 250 00:24:07,210 --> 00:24:19,210 or secure situation to avoid having just we need $600,000 in under for SNAP and boom taking 251 00:24:19,210 --> 00:24:20,190 it out of the fund balance. 252 00:24:20,190 --> 00:24:25,370 So that's what the point of it is to avoid removing the money from the fund balance. 253 00:24:29,060 --> 00:24:31,200 Thank you. Supervisor Suck. 254 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:33,980 Oh, yeah. Thank you, Chair. 255 00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:43,600 I want to give you a quick summary of what I feel this fund balance policy is the corrections are for. 256 00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:47,120 Again, the key elements are basics. 257 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:56,400 The objective or outcome really of a unassigned fund balance is not the technical term because 258 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,640 money left over from our normal operations. 259 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:29,980 But it's to provide some working capital for what we need at certain times. It also adds for a margin of stability in our operations. If we have some highs and lows, we've had a little bit of cash reserve there to keep it on an even basis. It improves credit because the credit companies all banks all like to know how your financial status is. 260 00:25:29,980 --> 00:25:33,400 is and having a decent fund balance does prove that. 261 00:25:34,340 --> 00:25:41,020 So in the end, what we have there over our particular item 262 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,840 has basic purposes. 263 00:25:44,340 --> 00:25:46,980 It's to maintain capital improvements, 264 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:51,660 to manage debt, to pay for future capital, 265 00:25:51,740 --> 00:25:54,380 or what's referred to as pay as you go, 266 00:25:54,940 --> 00:25:59,040 and be there if we need it for these purposes. 267 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,800 or the excess can be used for these purposes. 268 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,320 The items we've done, the corrections we've made, 269 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,040 were to not raise the dollar figures 270 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,280 if you look over the last five year history. 271 00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:17,040 We have been everywhere from 13 million to 20 million. 272 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:24,600 So the item right now being at 15.8 is not out of the question. 273 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:40,540 It's easier to calculate with just using the revenue from levy and from local sales tax so everybody can calculate themselves, you don't have to figure if somebody's done it correctly or not. 274 00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:52,260 And the way we've written it, we are attempting very drastically to produce or reduce opportunities for any misuse of that fund. 275 00:26:52,260 --> 00:27:00,740 So it defines it better when we do it this way, it reduces misuse and it's logical numbers 276 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,520 that fit our profile without us having to go out and look for more money. 277 00:27:05,740 --> 00:27:08,260 So I would encourage everybody to do this. 278 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:14,840 It's a great opportunity to get this finally completed to a process where we can now understand 279 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:15,100 it. 280 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:15,820 Thank you. 281 00:27:15,820 --> 00:27:22,820 Thank you. Director Sterman, do you want to add any any more detail to this? No, I think 282 00:27:22,820 --> 00:27:26,960 I think the supervisor is looking but going to sit up. Could you have some raise? Great. 283 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,700 Are there any? Oh, supervisor. Schneider with the question. Okay. Supervisor Russell, then 284 00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:39,680 supervisor Schneider, then supervisor Meyer. Supervisor Russell. Thank you, Chair coffee. A couple 285 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:45,540 of questions. I was wondering how contingency fund fits into this. Is it part of the unassigned 286 00:27:45,540 --> 00:27:48,380 fund balance, or is that a safe separate account? 287 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,880 Okay. So, I can answer that. 288 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,440 For 2025, it has been, the contingency has been part of the fund balance. 289 00:27:56,620 --> 00:27:58,580 But for 2026, we're separating it. 290 00:27:59,140 --> 00:27:59,400 Okay. 291 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,220 So, the contingency is going to be separate. 292 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:02,680 Right. Thank you. 293 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:10,320 And then, I just wanted a little more explanation on setting aside funds for future capital projects. 294 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:16,920 I think Supervisor Zooka alluded to that, is this like a savings account for cap projects 295 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,460 or how does that exactly work? 296 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:27,920 We've spoken frequently about facilities having to year after year borrow for things that 297 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:37,180 seemed to us as though it's a maintenance thing, and so I think yes, if we could have some 298 00:28:37,180 --> 00:28:44,300 type of a pool that, you know, we're collecting so that for the purposes of having it available. 299 00:28:44,540 --> 00:28:48,360 Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. 300 00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:50,800 Chair. Is there snow? Oh, I just want to answer. 301 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:59,480 Real, real quickly. Line two of the previous fund balance policy over the last ten odd years 302 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:06,840 says, pay future capital or pay as you go capital. That's where it came from. It's always been 303 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,080 there. Okay thank you. Supervisor Schneider. 304 00:29:12,730 --> 00:29:18,290 So in the situation now suddenly we got a pay for 305 00:29:18,290 --> 00:29:29,730 SNAP where does where would that come from next year? Contingency. And where would it come from this 306 00:29:29,730 --> 00:29:38,570 year? Contingency. Oh this year we don't know we haven't seen numbers but for next year if it 307 00:29:38,570 --> 00:29:45,870 If that's 600,000 is an accurate, even semi-accurate amount, it would probably be contingency. 308 00:29:46,790 --> 00:29:47,870 Thank you. 309 00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:48,370 Thank you. 310 00:29:48,770 --> 00:29:49,730 Supervisor Zuck? 311 00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:58,270 The process now is that if a request like that in a department has to be addressed, they 312 00:29:58,270 --> 00:29:59,730 we will go to the finance director. 313 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:29,520 And he will determine if it can be done within their own department or not, and then refer to us at the Finance and Budget Committee, and we will address it on where it can come from. Not an automatic, just read it. Thank you for that clarification. We're learning all this. It's new to us. So thank you for that. Let's see. Supervisor Schmeyer. Did Schneider have a chance? Oh, yeah. 314 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,000 Yep. 315 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,700 I thought so. 316 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,120 Okay. 317 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:32,480 Yeah. 318 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:33,000 Sorry. 319 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:34,120 All right. 320 00:30:34,660 --> 00:30:35,720 Well, the supervisor is okay. 321 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,320 I answered half of my question. 322 00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:37,640 Okay. 323 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:47,900 So in the process that's being proposed for release of funds, the request goes to the finance 324 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:52,000 director and then from the finance director to budget and finance. 325 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,000 Correct. 326 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,060 Is that what you said? 327 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:56,400 Correct. 328 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,320 That's what he just said. 329 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,240 Yeah, okay, and then so this budget to finance a 330 00:31:04,660 --> 00:31:07,980 Prove a budget transfer like that 331 00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:16,100 Based on this word we're supposed to be talking about the fund balance policy 332 00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:17,620 so 333 00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:22,800 You're getting kind of off track a little 334 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,900 Sorry, sorry at some point we're gonna come to the use of the fund 335 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,060 No, correct. 336 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,720 What the fund balance? 337 00:31:32,820 --> 00:31:34,060 I don't know where it is. 338 00:31:35,140 --> 00:31:39,000 Because this policy is an amazing to do with the contingency fund. 339 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,980 I'm not talking about contingency fund. 340 00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:41,380 Oh. 341 00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:44,160 I'm talking about requests for use of the process. 342 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,920 The process for tapping into the unrestricted fund. 343 00:31:49,660 --> 00:31:51,240 Well, I mean that's contingency. 344 00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:53,080 No, there's more contingency. 345 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,140 It's just a section of that. 346 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,600 Fun balance usage is a budget amendment that would require two-thirds vote. 347 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,460 Right, of the board. 348 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,400 Of this board? 349 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:03,820 Yes. 350 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:07,380 Okay. 351 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,900 Does this amendment to the budget? 352 00:32:09,340 --> 00:32:09,480 Yes. 353 00:32:11,060 --> 00:32:11,600 Okay. 354 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,820 If that's what it is, I withdraw my question. 355 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:21,880 I was concerned that maybe budget defining answer was approving some financial transaction that 356 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,720 belongs to the board. 357 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:23,520 That was my concern. 358 00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:24,040 No. 359 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,060 Thank you. 360 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,960 Supervisor Wilkie. 361 00:32:29,740 --> 00:32:33,180 Maybe a question for the chair of finance. 362 00:32:34,060 --> 00:32:40,780 I'm assuming from this fund balance policy that it prevents me from 363 00:32:40,780 --> 00:32:43,520 during budget deliberations, 364 00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:47,180 rating the fund balance for something I'd really like to fund. 365 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:48,200 Is that the intent? 366 00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:48,640 Yes. 367 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:48,820 Yes. 368 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:49,100 Yes. 369 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:49,760 Okay. 370 00:32:53,310 --> 00:32:56,410 I see no other comments. 371 00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:58,950 No. 372 00:32:59,390 --> 00:33:00,330 This is just a policy. 373 00:33:00,430 --> 00:33:00,690 Policy. 374 00:33:01,130 --> 00:33:03,490 So, this is the majority vote. 375 00:33:04,210 --> 00:33:05,770 So, are we ready to go to vote? 376 00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:07,250 I think I'm hearing. 377 00:33:07,390 --> 00:33:08,170 You need to go to the present. 378 00:33:08,770 --> 00:33:09,070 Okay. 379 00:33:09,650 --> 00:33:20,530 So, this is our 006 resolution concerning financial policy, fund balance policy. 380 00:33:20,530 --> 00:33:25,770 If you agree with the policy as it's been written, you will vote yes. 381 00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:29,670 Schneider, yes, confirm? 382 00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:30,890 Yes, confirmed. 383 00:33:31,670 --> 00:33:32,210 Ickley? 384 00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:33,750 Ickley, yes. 385 00:33:35,510 --> 00:33:36,870 Confirmed, Tomzek? 386 00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:38,370 Yes. 387 00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:39,710 Yes, confirmed. 388 00:33:40,890 --> 00:33:41,650 Good boy. 389 00:33:42,350 --> 00:33:43,710 Yes, confirmed. 390 00:33:45,490 --> 00:33:46,290 Night? 391 00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:48,270 Yes, confirmed. 392 00:33:48,270 --> 00:34:05,990 termed. We have yes 27 to absent. Thank you. We are on our last resolution 25-26-06-0. 393 00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:13,750 The resolution authorizing a 2025 budget amendment for approval of 2025 grant awards, 394 00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:16,710 Donations and other revenue given to O'Claire County. 395 00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:25,010 I have a motion by supervisor Myron, a second by supervisor Jillson, and 396 00:34:25,010 --> 00:34:27,470 explanation by supervisor Pagones. 397 00:34:28,350 --> 00:34:31,190 Thank you. I think this is dumb that we have to do this. 398 00:34:31,670 --> 00:34:35,310 So basically we've gotten a bunch of grants and now we're supposed to vote to say, 399 00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:37,110 oh sure, we really want it. 400 00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:41,570 And just so everyone knows the new title for has given this authority to the 401 00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:47,310 finance director doesn't have to come here once the grant is awarded that it's been the 402 00:34:47,310 --> 00:34:52,850 finance director has the authority to put it into our budget. So these are all things 403 00:34:52,850 --> 00:34:59,590 that actually typically we hear about a department wanting to apply. 404 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:07,740 For the grant. And this is now the grant has been received. So if there were some reason 405 00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:11,760 where you didn't think we should have that extra money, then you don't know. Otherwise, please 406 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:19,540 approve this. Thank you. Short and sweet. And I see that our point has been rescinded, 407 00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:28,500 our question. So are there any other questions to comment? Oh, supervisor Skinner. Question? 408 00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:39,520 No, okay. No, it's that magic button. It's yeah, crazy on it. Okay, so we will move forward with the vote for the resolution authorizing a 409 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:46,720 2025 budget amendment for the approval of 2025 grants award if you agree vote. Yes 410 00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:50,530 Schneider yes, confirm 411 00:35:51,790 --> 00:35:56,550 Confirmed Ike Lee Ike Lee. Yes, confirmed. Thompson 412 00:35:58,070 --> 00:36:06,370 Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. I am I have just mutilated your name several times tonight. I am just very sorry. 413 00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:07,370 Tom Sack. 414 00:36:09,810 --> 00:36:16,050 Yes. And we have good boy. Yes. Night. Yes. All right. 415 00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:28,770 27 yes to absent. There are no appointments tonight. We have an announcement by 416 00:36:28,770 --> 00:36:33,430 supervisor Skinner and I'm sorry. We'll have to wait just a minute because I 417 00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:37,730 can't press the button. Here we go. Thank you. And it's not really an 418 00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:44,310 announcement but just to make you aware I sent you all an email about Lake O'Clair 419 00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:59,230 just to make you aware that Oclare County is getting one heck of a bargain out of all the volunteers at the lakes and there was a pavilion there that they stripped down to its studs or steel beams because of mold and with no roof it sat there unused. 420 00:36:59,950 --> 00:37:11,210 And finally one lake resident said this is ridiculous and went to the Amish got the price quotes because the county we got the quote for $100,000 to put a roof on this thing. 421 00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:16,870 and the Amish with the help of Lake Volunteers came out last Saturday and they 422 00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:23,110 did it for about six thousand bucks. What a deal. So how do you save a hundred 423 00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:28,310 thousand dollars for Oakwood County in one day? Volunteers and so it was in 424 00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:33,030 today's Oakwood Leader Telegram on the second page so you can read more about it. 425 00:37:33,350 --> 00:37:37,510 But that should all give us a good smile as we go into our budget session. So there 426 00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:44,970 you go. Thank you for that great work. Any other announcements? We are adjourned. 427 00:37:45,410 --> 00:37:48,830 Supervisor Skinner wasn't announced because that's what the agenda said. 428 00:37:49,970 --> 00:37:53,970 What? I'm sorry. It wasn't not really an announcement. Yes it was because it wasn't.