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Council meeting for August the 17th, 2026. Stand for the invocation if you will and remain for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Lord, we ask you to look at the homeless, get them back in the society as quickly as possible. Also, Lord, we ask you to look at the armed forces from the standpoint. Those that are overseas, especially those that are here in our particular area watching over and protected them. Also, we ask you as our EMTs,

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Please fire our police from the standpoint, first responders on 24-7, watch over and protect

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them as well.

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What we do tonight, we do for the good of the entire city and not for anyone's particular

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interest or anyone's particular project.

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And we do all of this in your name.

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Amen.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which

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to stand one nation under God in this well with liberty and justice for all.

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Oh good evening everyone and welcome.

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I have Belinda Nishki with me this evening who have taken the minutes and I have Frank

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Whitman from Whitman Associates because I'm attorney and welcome to you as well and

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Belinda if you'll call the role please.

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Mr. Barley.

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Here.

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Mr. Messmer.

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Here.

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Mr. Schreiber.

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Here.

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Mr. Spears, here, Dr. Spelley, here, Mr. Thielin.

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We do have a call this evening, I'd like to welcome the council members as well.

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Also, every agenda has a slot on there for

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what are your citizens wishing to be heard, but it's not on the agenda tonight.

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So if anybody would like to come for and present a presentation, this would be the time to do it.

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And if not, then of course we'll get you in.

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I'm going to introduce yourself, if you will, and present your issue to thank you.

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I'd like to know if the city's even considered discussing the issue with e-scrooters and e-bikes

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on the city sidewalks.

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Dennis, we have.

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We are basically putting up, we're trying to put out an ordinance on that as well.

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We did get some samples from Fort Mitchell and some other communities as well.

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But yes, we are working on that and so we've already got an ordinance and we've already got rules and regulations and you guys aren't

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Enforce my apologies. Is he supposed to introduce himself and say his address?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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It never makes you happy.

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Yeah.

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Good because it's perfect.

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Okay. My name's Dennis Drew.

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I'm on Dudley Road to one down the hill.

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And nice couple of weeks I've noticed that the e-bikes and the scooters are basically out of control.

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The other day I was coming on Turkey foot road, turning right onto Dudley.

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I started the inch forward and I had to stop immediately because two guys on scooters

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went right in front of me, okay, and they were riding their scooters.

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That's not obeying the law.

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The law says they're supposed to walk their scooters across the street.

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But they didn't.

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And they were also going across, you know, against the crosswalk and I almost hit them.

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The other day I was out in front of my house trimming my sidewalk.

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I had three guys conflying down the sidewalk, going faster than the cars.

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Two of them almost hit me in the third one I looked up and he didn't even slow down.

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He just went flying by me.

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The other day I'm driving down Dudley and I'm going towards the city building from my house

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and I clock some e-bikes doing 30 miles an hour on the sidewalks.

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None of this is according to the regulations or the rules.

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These are in place, ordered in 7302.

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There's rules and regulations, and you guys aren't enforcement.

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And I guess my big question is, who's going to get sued when somebody gets hurt?

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Is it for you guys because you don't enforce the rules and regulations or are the parents responsible?

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Somebody's going to get hurt.

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Dennis, we've been working on the situation.

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The police is also unaware of it as well.

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Well, we've also stopped some of the kids as well.

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The regulations that we're working on right now also address the speed and from the standpoint

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ways in which we can stop the individuals and proceed.

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Well, I know they're looking at this all around us.

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I know the Boone County's got three cities.

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They're looking at it.

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They're ready to develop rules and regulations.

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I understand Fort Mitchell is going to start enforcing it next week and that might be true

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or not.

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I don't know.

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I did see an issue about this on the edge of the next door site online from, basically,

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from one of the guys that's going to be running from Mayer, and he made an issue out of it,

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and I've tried to find that, but it's disappeared, and he was making an issue out of the fact

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that the city doesn't enforce the regulations, doesn't enforce the ordinance, in any way,

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He's that gentleman that you speak of has brought this before council before and honestly he doesn't know what he's talking about.

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He's not citing the right ordinance. I understand what you're citing and that is antiquated and that's why we've addressed it and we have draft draft ordinances that specifically addressed because the class of e-scooter or e-bike is not currently by our current ordinance identified.

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And that's what we're working on is making sure that

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Kentucky Revised Statute is lines up or we line up with

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Kentucky Revised Statute, which, quite honestly, is antiquated.

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Well, we're trying to pre-imp that so that we have an

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enforceable ordinance that our police can enforce.

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Because right now, our police can't really enforce 30 miles an hour on a bike

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because there's no way to know whether they're actually doing 30 miles an hour or not.

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So the ordinance we have in place means absolutely nothing.

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It's it's it's it's old. It's old. It's not it's not accurate from what from what we have on the roads and on the sidewalks right now. Yes, it's perfectly fine to do 30 miles an hour on the sidewalk.

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It's not perfectly fine according to the ordinance, but it does it's not enforceable because we can't physically catch them in any any meaningful way.

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And then when we do our police are stuck with charging Juvenile House with criminal law and we don't want that

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We don't want criminal law. We want it to be ordained so it's civil and so we can educate the parents

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That's why I would think of my stops and kids and you confiscated some bikes and you had their parents in court

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It says in here it's $250 fine for violating the ordinance

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Decide a couple people and you see put out a couple of fines and the word gets out of it and spread like wildfire and things will stop

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I agree with you.

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But I think the parents, I think they've turned these kid loop kids loose on these motorized

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vehicles because they don't want to take them to here or there to a practice or to whatever

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and they've turned a glimpse and they really haven't discussed the rules and regulations.

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I mean, it's pretty simple yielding the right of way, warning a pedestrian, past and

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pedestrians on one side, stepping off your scooter to walk across the main streets.

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It's not used in earphones when you're on, not riding passengers.

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I mean these are all pretty simple.

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Excuse me, what are you reading from exactly?

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What am I reading from?

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I'm reading from the Edgewood Local Ordnance 7302 concerning low-speed standing motorized scooters

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under 20 miles an hour, which are permitted on streets and sidewalks, provided the riders

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follow these rules.

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and the rules are yielding the right way, verbally warning a pedestrian that they're passing them,

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passing pedestrians on the left side when crossing a street, stepping off the scooter and walking

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across. Also, the use of earphones and passengers, these scooters weren't designed to accommodate.

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It's in the ordinance, it's in 7302 and the penalties are under 7399,

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the penalty for violating the rules are basically pay a criminal fine not to exceed

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the maximum amount of $250.

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My big thing is somebody's going to get hurt.

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So you may have also noticed, besides the scooters, e-bikes, which are not covered in the ordinance.

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There's no classification for e-bikes, they're considered bicycles.

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That's what we're changing, because we don't know if somebody could we pull somebody over

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and they say it's a scooter or no, it's an e-bike, it's not a scooter.

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So that's what we're trying to work on, it's ordinance so that we can enforce something

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because right now, somebody you pull somebody over and they're on, which you're calling

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a scooter, but they say, no, it's not a scooter, it's an e-bike.

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I think that was designed for moped's, those kind of vehicles.

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That's why we're running into this issue, and we're working on it.

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I mean, we had a draft that we received last council meeting.

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And Mr. Deener is working on another draft so that we could have it right hopefully for the next council meeting that we could try to get this figured out.

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Well, I've basically sent three emails to Mr. Deener, and I've not gotten one response yet to my emails.

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this has been in the the link newspaper on three different occasions I've

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written they've been talking about I don't know why they didn't include

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Edgewood but we haven't oh they didn't you know they say good counties got

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three cities that are looking at it for Mitchell's going to start doing

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something about enforcing regulations I don't know what regulations they've

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got but they're going to start enforcing regulation supposedly they've got

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their ordinance that we're trying to incorporate what they're they have I don't

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I think they passed that.

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The first radio is delayed.

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Fourth radio.

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We don't even know if that's going to pass.

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So we might have another first hearing.

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And that draft ordinance stipulates specifically what is a class one scooter?

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Second class.

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Class two, class three.

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Right.

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And speed.

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Right.

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And right now ours doesn't.

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And we can't address because our definitions are so outdated.

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Like Mr. Shriver was saying, our definitions are so outdated that our police are in a spot where

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but they can't enforce them and still be in line

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with Kentucky revised statute.

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Well, I don't see anything on your schedule

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for tonight to even discuss the issue.

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So you guys are apparently, we did last,

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if you go back and watch the last one,

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we very specifically did.

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I encourage you to go back and look at the last meeting

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where we talked about this extensively.

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It was a big section of our last meeting.

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And I think that everyone here recognizes

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that this is a problem for walkers,

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joggers, people with walking dogs, strollers, et cetera, that are on the sidewalks.

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It's very much recognized and very much talked about.

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And we are trying to come up with an ordinance that gives some teeth for the police, whether

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it's a confiscation, and also still allow the kids to use them in some instances, whether

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it's by speed or what, as Jamie said.

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But it's recognized, we're not ignoring this, we're not

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got our heads in the sand by enemies.

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OK, well, I hear you're frustration.

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I am frustrated as well because we don't have anything yet.

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I'm not trying to talk you down.

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That's not my intent.

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We are addressing it.

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So if you're frustration, my voice is because we

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have spent a lot of time on this.

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We just have not been able to put it in place yet,

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because, again, Kentucky Revista actually is outdated.

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and we're trying to make sure that we're in line with

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particular by statute to be able to,

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but honestly, confiscate the violators.

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But right now, we can't buy what our women says.

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With it being a criminal conviction.

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It seems like you could put some kind of rules

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on speed on sidewalks that the scooters

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have not supposed to go over 20 miles per hour.

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This new ordinance does address that

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and we're really close to a bill to vote on it.

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We just don't have it yet.

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Well, all I know is the link north of Kentucky has talked about Florence, Ben County,

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we're talking about Fort Mitchell, we're talking about Ken County, Ben County, but they're not talking about which woods.

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And I'm going to outlay blame at their feet at this point because we have.

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If you go back and look at our meeting schedules, we have talked about it.

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So spring we went over the rules again and we worked to get information out to the resource

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officers to pass out to the kids that we have been talking about this for a while.

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And acting on it, we've been trying to go the route of educating parents through the

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resource schoolers' officers through the schools and trying that route hoping that maybe

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education parents would influence this it hasn't and acknowledging that right now by directing

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in your new ordinance.

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I think if you pull a couple of over,

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confiscate a few scooters and find a few parents,

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the world will go down like wildfire.

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I agree, Dennis.

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I agree.

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I wish somebody to get the word in the place.

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Okay, so where do they go?

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I mean, where do you go?

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Do you see the parents?

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When you get hurt, do you send them the block of this?

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Do I send them to the city?

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Because they have an enforced ordinance

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that they've got on the books.

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I live in a world of liability.

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That's what I do.

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and it is a scary situation.

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I agree with you.

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The liability can be found in a lot of different places,

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depending on who's looking and what their benefits are.

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It's a super crazy world.

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Yes, sir.

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Well, thank you very much.

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And like I said, you'll see more coming from us

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as well on that.

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Can I just go there and buy a few things?

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One, just so everybody has an understanding,

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our court current ordinance, we would actually issue a misdemeanor against the

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individual criminal citation. That individual will go to a court. A court will

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sentence them if they are guilty of the misdemeanor and can levier fine. Our

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police officers under this ordinance does not levier a violation of notice.

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They just issue to the person who's doing it and file the charges of a misdemeanor.

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That individual would have to go to court and if sentenced in a competent court,

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they would then be able to have a fine up to $205.

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As it exists today, they don't go out there and say, hey, here's your fine for $250. They're going to go out there to a 14-year-old and say, we are filing a misdemeanor charge against you. You are going to go to court. A judge is going to rule whether or not you are guilty or not and can find you up to $250. We find that not acceptable that we would be filing charges of misdemeanors against kids that have to go to court to do it. Secondly, you can not confiscate

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a scooter, a bicycle or anything else because it's in violation of the law and we would

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be seizing property without having the ability to do that unless we have that in an ordinance

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and the ordinance does not specify they can do that.

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So we would be taking property without being able to have a warrant or anything else to seize

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that property.

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Again, under the existing ordinance.

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So we have issues with the existing ordinance.

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And the last thing is our police department is doing something about it.

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They're stopping, they're talking, they're trying to get something done every time they see it.

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We're passing out flyers at schools to educate.

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We put it on our social media. We've done everything that we possibly can.

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The last step that we have is trying to figure out how we have an ordinance that we can enforce properly

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and do it to the ability that there are all those scooters that you see

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were bought by individual parents that believe they kids can rise on and

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somehow we got to come to an agreement there's some acceptable means in

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which they can exist and we can make sure that people are safe right and so we're

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doing that we have three or four ordinances the police department is reviewing the

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chief and I sat down today to get feedback and the last meeting we had a long

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conversation about it we got feedback from council and now we're adjusting them

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and now we will send those to the attorney

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to make sure that they feel comfortable with the ordinance.

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But none of those other communities have passed their ordinances

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and the reason they're adopting ordinances

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is to fix the ordinances just like we have.

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Outdated old ordinances that you cannot enforce.

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So we're trying to do that and we're addressing that.

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And nobody is arguing the fact that like we don't have an issue,

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we have an issue, right?

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And we've got to come up with a way

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that we can resolve that issue and if we would have anything in place that you

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said, our ordinance does not help the instances that you say because our

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police officers did not witness that unless you would like to go file the

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charges against those individuals. So we have to fix that.

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We know the ordinance that they have because we have that sample and they're

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amending their chapter 73, which is almost identical to ours, and they're putting language

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in that we're looking at to make sure that the language they have, did they see something

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that we didn't see in the language that we have? We have four promises, and we're evaluating

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their ordinance to see if they have language that we didn't want to include in ours, and

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believe it or not, all of them are about the same, because there's only so many things

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you can do to it. So we will not have to wait to see what they do because they've not had a first

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reading on it yet. Hopefully by the time Mr. Rickman reviews it comes back said here's one

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that I'm acceptable to that meets the standard of a law and that our police department they feel

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comfortable that they it's not it doesn't have a lot of ambiguity to it to where they're just trying

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to figure out hey what did they mean or not mean is it a scooter that goes 15 miles or 10 mile an hour

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is that acceptable to you if it was 10? Can they ride 10 mile an hour on the sidewalk?

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And one of the goals is to give our police the ability to seize them when they see them

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and to hold the parents accountable so the parents have to come up here and sign it out

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and say, oh, I've not been teaching my children how to do this and here's proof because they've

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got to get their scooter out of them. Right now, we can't do that because of how the importance is

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Have you seen the size of some of them that they have?

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Have you seen the size of some of the electric bikes that they're riding on and stuff?

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How would you like one of our police officers driving a Dodge charger to seize that EVike?

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We got to figure that out, right?

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So that's why we're not just going to jump to passing something tonight or getting it in place.

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We got to work through that issue because there's going to be a bike sitting out there that we've got to figure out

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Are we how we getting it from that location to here or how are we not taking a kid that's under age and telling them at some part of the

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Community hey, you're off your bike figure out how to get home or go somewhere else

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But this is not you're not taking this so we got to work through all those policies of are we going to contact their parents?

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Are they going to come pick them up?

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How are we going to seize that vehicle?

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All of those things are things you have to work through.

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It isn't as simple as just saying.

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Just grab their bike, take it back, put it in there,

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tell them to come and give them a $250 fine.

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We don't have the ability to do that right now.

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Because it's a criminal offense under our ordinance.

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It's not a civil offense, or it's not a code enforcement offense.

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Well, I don't think it's an issue you can play down on.

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We aren't laying down on it.

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People are proactive people, somebody gets serious.

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I don't think any one of the council members, the mayor, have ever said we're not going

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to do something.

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We just want to make sure when we work through those steps that what we put in place,

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we're not coming back six months later and going, hey, we messed this up, we got to do it

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again and again and again.

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We want to make sure that when we put it in place, we're addressing not only the people

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who are saying, we don't want these things and they're getting out of control to a block

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of the people that are saying, well, I have no problem with my kid riding a scooter on

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the sidewalk, right?

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and then we've got to figure out what that compromise is to allow for a safe

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environment for everybody, but to still be able to enjoy the scooter or the

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e-bike or whatever they're going to have and how do we do that in the community

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great. One thing I'd like to add is all the kids you see

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riding, don't assume that they're all living in Adjwood because there's lots of

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Adjwood kids that hang out at Cresby Hills Mall that are on Dixie Highway and it

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It would be best case scenario if the city's at least around here to be aligned or very

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similar with their ordinances.

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And that may take another polishing up at some point because of that, hard if you've

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got a kid from Edgwood who gets his bike taken away in Cresby Hills or Fort Mitchell or even

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Villa Hills.

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Well, I think it's something we need to move on, because someday I'm going to be able to say that somebody has to be on it.

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He has to do it right from the very last night.

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I can hear T. It's going to be a service.

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I don't know that thing.

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We've got a selection company.

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I think it's going to be an issue because it's an issue in all the cities around this institution.

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Absolutely, it doesn't.

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We hear anything about the city of Ed.

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Dennis again I would encourage you to look at our previous meetings. I would

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encourage you to look at our previous meetings. Just because you don't see it in

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the link or on next door does not mean it's not happening here. Please look at

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our previous meetings to see how we have discussed this and how we're trying to

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move on. Okay I'm not trying to hang you out the dry there. That's we are truly

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we have multiple drafts right now of an ordinance to try and work this to

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sooner than later and just because we're not getting headlines doesn't mean

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we're not doing it yes sir my family and I are one of those so the so the

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issue we're dealing with right now you don't you say you don't want to be hit

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by one of them the issue that we're dealing right now is we have a person who has

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hit someone on an e-bike not a knee bike hitting someone on that the person that was

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on the sidewalk jogging, hit the person who was running or was on the e-bike. So we're dealing

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with two of bunch of different issues here that so we don't have anybody who has complained

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yet that they got hit by a scooter or an e-bike but we do have a person on an e-bike saying

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a person jogging on the sidewalk hit me.

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That's how that's how kind of crazy it gets when you're

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I don't know the answer to that, I don't know the answer, that would be a chief issue.

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If they were riding their e-bike on the street, would they have to be 16 chief?

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I don't have the hair as the problem with my understanding that a low speed vehicle would operate one.

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We talked about that last time at the last meeting.

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There is a statute that addresses low speed vehicles and we believe that it would fit

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with under that low-speed vehicle and a low-speed vehicle under the KRS, it does not have to be a license driver,

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it does not have to have a license plate, all of those things under low-speed vehicles.

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The issue becomes, some of those, as you said, go way faster than that.

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Some go 30, 40-mile an hour or maybe faster.

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So, but understand it is being addressed and we believe once it's addressed it put in place.

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and we have we've gotten down to it. I got feedback from some of the council members at the last meeting and said a

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Provide your feedback to me so I could feed it back so we can get it into the ordinance

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We're working on that now and two weeks. We've got to that point

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Chief and I met today probably for over an hour hour and a half talking about e-vikes

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So his department could provide feedback to the ordinances that we have so we can make that adjustments

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They are going to account for them to enforce their ordinance, but they are not, they're not

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enforcing their ordinance, right?

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Because we have ordinances that were put in place when this was not even a discussion.

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So we have to adjust, adjust to make sure that now we put them into it and we define those things and we know exactly what they were.

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That ordinance was put together 25 years ago when nobody even talked about a knee-biker or a scooter, right?

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Except for the ones you pushed with your legs or pedal, right?

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So now we have to update that, and that's what we're going to do.

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But when we first started this over a year ago and we said something needed to be done,

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what we got was, we need to educate everybody, we need to educate everybody.

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We went through those steps, in every school that we have in Edgerwood, we were passing out

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information about how to be courteous like you were talking about when you're writing,

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what you should do, what you shouldn't do, what you have to do.

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That didn't work, apparently, right?

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So now we've been talking about, okay, how do we define a system that is punishment is there

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that we hope will correct the behavior,

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but not so much that it is punishment

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that we're criminally convicting

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an individual riding an e-bike

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or a scooter that's on the sidewalk, right?

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So we're trying to figure out that balance.

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And I think we're gonna get there

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in a very short period of time.

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We're almost there now.

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We just need, we just were waiting for feedback.

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And in the last council meeting,

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we talked a long time about it.

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We are working on it. Thanks, Dennis. Appreciate comments on it. We will have to approve of the agenda. Anybody want to add anything or adjust the agenda that we have in front of us?

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If not, then I will address the August 3, 2026 minutes.

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First and second are the adjustments to that.

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We'll make a motion to accept the minutes for August 3rd, 2026.

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Mr. Rue, Dr.

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Mr. Buster, call a role, please.

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Mr. Rule.

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Yes.

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Mr. Messmer.

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Yes.

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Mr. Barler.

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Yes.

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Mr. Shriver.

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Yes.

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Mr. Spear.

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Yes.

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Dr. Svilly.

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Mr. Feely.

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Yes.

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August 3rd, 2026.

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Minutes stands as presented.

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and tonight we have the mayor's reports

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and some of the staff reports.

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The only thing I've got to report to everybody

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is from the standpoint of the Kentucky League of Cities

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is bringing their convention up to Covington in September.

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So we'll look out for that from the standpoint

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and anybody that would like to attend those seminars

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or those meetings and dinners as well.

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Let us know as we get more detailed,

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it's gonna be about September the 22nd somewhere

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in there is what the three dates are and it'll be down in Covington so we'll basically

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keep everybody informed in that and if you wish to attend some of those seminars and

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dinners and so forth you're more than welcome to do so and we'll get you everybody posted

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on that as well.

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The staff reports tonight and any questions on Blandis on the City Clerk of

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the fire with

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Tom,

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the General Services with Rick,

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please with Jimmy.

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I would like to out loud thank the police department for continually sending

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people officers to CIT, the crisis intervention training. I think as we continue

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to suffer from mental health illness rampant in our community that it's

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important that we have that kind of training and I'm just glad to see the

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officer wild just graduated from that course so thank you Chief for making that

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priority. We set that up a few years ago and that's been very well, very worthwhile, you know.

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And then of course recreation.

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On the recreation I'd like to say thank you very much

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for the golf outing. We should have brought the sign up here today that the thank everybody

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from the standpoint of progress.

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Participate in them with goods as well as with golfers. We had an exceptional day from the

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standpoint and a fun day. And it was a good to meet everybody from the standpoint. I did

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not play golf this year. I said it one of the holes so that I could meet all the people

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and greet them. It was a great thing to do from the standpoint of every time you kind of

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come to a golf out of you kind of shake hands and it's kind of like you're waving

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your hand like in a parade. So this year from St.

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Point I got up and I met with everybody at the third hole at the gave them a

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poker run, a poker card as well. So again in some of the council members and those

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in attendance, thank you very much. We had a great time but again on all the

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sponsors from St. Point that helped us out. It was a great success and very

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successful as well so thank you Ian as well. With that we'll run into the fire shift that we've

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been talking about in recruitment and retention and Mr. Dickman would you like to make a presentation?

451
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Mayor council tonight I just wanted to bring forth to you about a proposal to adjust the fire

452
00:31:20,540 --> 00:31:24,900
providers work scheduled from the 56-hour work week to a 48-hour work week.

453
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,780
I know we've discussed this in years past, but I think it's something that I need to

454
00:31:29,780 --> 00:31:31,860
re-address here today.

455
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,480
This proposal will align the department with more competitive of the Northern Hockey

456
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,400
Regional Departments, who also averaged a 48-hour work week.

457
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:49,840
Now, as the memo indicates, I've outlined, or Mr. Dean had also included, the memo will

458
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:59,780
require additional staffing, investment and additional staffing of three personnel to accomplish this reduced work week from 56 down to 48.

459
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:09,060
And it will help us with the long-term stability, recruitment, and retention of our current personnel, some issues that we've been turning over here recently.

460
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:16,460
Just kind of that's a brief overview, I know there is a memo included in tonight's proposal for you for your review.

461
00:32:16,460 --> 00:32:21,340
And I can answer any questions you might have about the proposal to get into specifics and

462
00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:22,480
should any questions you might have.

463
00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:32,490
I don't have any questions, but I think my biggest concern was the expense at the time

464
00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:37,230
this was brought up, the last time this was brought up, I did not think the city could

465
00:32:37,230 --> 00:32:42,110
afford to do it, and now I do think the city can't afford to do it, and we're not doing

466
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:47,890
the Dudley Road project, we're saving over a million dollars with that project, and I think

467
00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:53,890
we could afford to do this and I think it's something that we have to. I just don't see any,

468
00:32:54,630 --> 00:33:01,430
any other reason not to do it besides the expense so that's gone so I'm on board with this

469
00:33:01,430 --> 00:33:07,370
I think we have to do it. So is it an additional expense every year? It's going to be an ongoing expense

470
00:33:07,370 --> 00:33:13,530
yeah I think it was about $400,000 it won't be $400,000 this year because by the time

471
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:18,350
everybody's hired it'll be about half that yeah like but it's going to be an

472
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:23,290
on 26th and all the other departments around thousand first doing it so it's

473
00:33:23,290 --> 00:33:30,240
hard to retain any any employees I mean I think the work week is a long

474
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:36,160
couple of years you know most people were 40 years these guys were more than that

475
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,580
we're just reduced down 48 I think anyone that's ever been part of a hiring

476
00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:46,740
process knows that it's more expensive to hire in than it is simply to retain.

477
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,820
So this would be part of the retainership of the personnel.

478
00:33:51,980 --> 00:33:53,860
Some of the issues were also with the retention.

479
00:33:55,660 --> 00:33:59,860
We have an individual's after a couple years maybe working here employed here for a couple

480
00:33:59,860 --> 00:34:05,020
years getting all their certifications and then become prime candidates for neighboring

481
00:34:05,020 --> 00:34:11,560
departments who offer a reduced work week average and they're leaving us to go to the

482
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:38,400
those departments and so we start back over with those individuals who are finding those candidates that are at the basic level, basic firefighter certification, the basic EMT certifications, and we're basically putting that that investment of time into that and it's creating an issue for the succession plan, the clock's ticking on all of us as far as the years of service, and it's creating like who's the next individual up to fill those roles if they're leaving after two or three years.

483
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,300
That becomes a real issue for the department and our succession.

484
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:53,180
I don't see how we can afford an additional $400,000 a year for essentially three or four

485
00:34:54,340 --> 00:34:57,600
firefighters or paramedics. I just don't see that.

486
00:34:59,060 --> 00:35:03,620
I, after you sent that in the amount I read it and I talked to a lot of friends who are in

487
00:35:03,620 --> 00:35:07,620
emergency services at different levels of leadership.

488
00:35:07,620 --> 00:35:10,040
a system chiefs of very large cities,

489
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,240
and they said that this is unnecessary.

490
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,540
So I'm going to be funding instead.

491
00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:17,580
Sorry, Chief.

492
00:35:18,220 --> 00:35:19,700
No, I understand.

493
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,760
But I know through our hiring, recent hiring practices,

494
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,040
like I said, we've lost two individuals

495
00:35:25,820 --> 00:35:28,240
that some of their reasons for leaving

496
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,880
were the reduced work week.

497
00:35:30,940 --> 00:35:34,480
And we've, in here in July, we've lost the third one.

498
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:45,360
We had a fourth individual come express desire to potentially move again for that 48-hour

499
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:51,700
work week and what it does is as far as it creates vacancies and then when we advertise,

500
00:35:52,260 --> 00:35:58,360
we're not giving the experience individuals, we're giving individuals that may be either volunteers

501
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,680
or internship personnel that are far from experience and my concern becomes on the service

502
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:10,480
delivery to the community and retaining that. There's other apartments. They might be able to offer

503
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:16,780
other benefits and other things that we're just unable to offer and talk about structures. I can't

504
00:36:16,780 --> 00:36:22,980
create structures. I can't create trauma runs, but we can adjust the benefit issue and this is one

505
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:27,920
of the areas that I'm interested in trying to achieve. Do we know how much it costs to train up?

506
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:35,720
somebody say they were brand new ground floor so roughly you know if it's an EMT

507
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:40,120
they're firefighter certification and if you also consider the the

508
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,460
paramedic certification you're talking roughly to be up to twenty twenty five

509
00:36:43,460 --> 00:36:48,640
thousand dollars per individual per individual that's just their their basic

510
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,720
training of those certifications there's obviously ongoing investment of

511
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:58,140
the additional training here around the staff here around the department itself.

512
00:36:59,260 --> 00:37:04,040
Do we have a list of cities around us, what their work weeks are?

513
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:11,620
So I kind of did a brief overview of we're looking around the surrounding neighborhoods.

514
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:16,000
Those individuals, those departments have about 48 hour work week, Taylor Mill,

515
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:26,540
So, Port Mitchell, Cubbington, Independence, Independence, just recently reduced theirs

516
00:37:26,540 --> 00:37:28,180
down to a 48 hour work week.

517
00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:33,640
Earl Langer actually had the same thing with a 56 hour work week.

518
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,500
They transitioned down to a 42 hour work week by accomplishing work in 24 hour shifts and

519
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:39,800
72 hours off.

520
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:45,840
And so, what we're proposing transition to is a 48 hour work week, they are actually

521
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,620
done to a 42.

522
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:57,460
There's a lot of competitive departments that are maybe sane as far as run volume or

523
00:38:00,110 --> 00:38:06,250
demographics, and those departments are carrying a lower 48 hour average work week.

524
00:38:07,110 --> 00:38:08,430
But what's the floor?

525
00:38:09,110 --> 00:38:09,270
Yes.

526
00:38:09,970 --> 00:38:15,250
Floants, they are actually, they are still 56-hour work week, they have compensations already

527
00:38:15,250 --> 00:38:22,990
has discussed step plans where they actually, their financial reward after retention is actually

528
00:38:22,990 --> 00:38:26,950
greatly steps up to retain those individuals.

529
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:32,870
So they're more aggressive on those steps and their pay is actually a start out as a hire as well.

530
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:33,830
With

531
00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:42,630
Earl Younger, you said they're down to 42.

532
00:38:42,930 --> 00:38:45,850
Did they have to hire or did they just change shifts?

533
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:47,950
So they did a couple of things.

534
00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:52,410
They actually, some of the, my assumptions,

535
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:54,650
some of the things, they've reassessed

536
00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:56,590
to reassign those individuals.

537
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:59,450
They seem to have more top heavy and administrative

538
00:39:00,130 --> 00:39:03,270
through some of those individuals that took retirement.

539
00:39:03,550 --> 00:39:03,970
They left.

540
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:07,710
They also were reassigned for maybe the time chief's positions

541
00:39:07,710 --> 00:39:09,090
down to captain's positions.

542
00:39:09,090 --> 00:39:13,730
And then so, again, through attrition and things like that, they had some vacancies.

543
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:20,050
They did have to do some hiring, but there were a number of personnel on the shift now

544
00:39:20,050 --> 00:39:23,790
has actually been reduced from what they had before.

545
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:28,210
They had ten individuals on the shift and they went down to eight individuals as my understanding.

546
00:39:28,770 --> 00:39:37,130
So I know at one point in time you gave us a list of the levels at which different cities

547
00:39:37,130 --> 00:39:41,970
have, you know, more administrator, more middle and beginners.

548
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:42,730
Correct.

549
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,280
You know, I guess I'm kind of curious, are we beginner heavy?

550
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:51,300
We are beginner heavy.

551
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:58,660
Out of our 17 staff members, we have full time, currently right now.

552
00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:04,900
We have 11 individuals that have less than five years experience with the City of Edgewood.

553
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,200
So, how many years they've been with the City of Vigil?

554
00:40:09,660 --> 00:40:17,060
So, right now, by concern for us, when I look at those individuals as far as years of experience,

555
00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:21,580
or where they fall in line with their retirement or their pension type of thing,

556
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,500
we have four individuals that have 20 to plus years that are eligible for retirement,

557
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,740
three individuals that are retired, rehires.

558
00:40:29,740 --> 00:40:34,840
So those seven individuals, I'd say that in a moment's notice could go at any time.

559
00:40:35,780 --> 00:40:43,320
And then we have just one individual I think it's in the 16 to 20 years.

560
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:50,800
Yeah, and then the next one is we have one employee that's got six to 10 years in the retirement system.

561
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,080
And then those individuals have a much longer time to go.

562
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,500
So we have seven individuals that have 20 or 25 years yet to go.

563
00:40:59,660 --> 00:41:02,020
So they're in the, they've just started out in the process.

564
00:41:02,580 --> 00:41:04,440
So we have seven individuals like that.

565
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:10,240
And that's, again, kind of been the focus in what we've been going through is those individuals

566
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:14,460
that have the one and two, two to three years and then moving on to departments.

567
00:41:14,740 --> 00:41:20,020
We're creating that gap in the middle years, the future leaders of the organization, we're

568
00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:22,460
losing that, say, transition to another department.

569
00:41:22,460 --> 00:41:27,200
Chief, you mentioned that I think it was Florence that has the step-ups.

570
00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:28,740
Step-grades, yes.

571
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:29,660
Step-grades, excuse me.

572
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,040
Have we explored what that would look like and how much that will cost versus $389,000

573
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:36,420
annually?

574
00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:45,760
So the balance comes into this as far as when I talk to the staff and the candidates

575
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:46,340
out there.

576
00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:48,080
It's a work-life balance.

577
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:56,420
When I started so many years ago in the emergency services, you know, there wasn't enough

578
00:41:56,420 --> 00:42:00,040
over time that people, you know, because everybody was trying to grab it up and try

579
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:00,540
and to work.

580
00:42:01,260 --> 00:42:06,880
Now it's becoming not just our department, but it's across all departments, and I think

581
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,620
across many professions, that people are trying to say, hey, why won't that work like balance?

582
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,540
I want to have the equal time off, and that's been one of the driving factors that not only

583
00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:18,300
is addressed, you know, art department,

584
00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:20,980
but addressed throughout the word tucking.

585
00:42:21,820 --> 00:42:24,940
And in so much so, as far as, as I've kind of touched

586
00:42:24,940 --> 00:42:29,140
on Earl Langer, they make the election to do a 24-72.

587
00:42:30,220 --> 00:42:33,200
That has been a big change throughout the nation

588
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,740
and even the state of Kentucky.

589
00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:37,920
It's big down in Jefferson Town, down Louisville area

590
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,520
that are skating a lot of speed.

591
00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:42,100
Some states, even the state of Florida,

592
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:48,360
the Santa's actually passed a bill requiring all future departments, all departments to consider

593
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:54,160
and adjust into a 24-7-2 out of work rate. So it's creating, trying to create that work-life balance

594
00:42:54,160 --> 00:43:00,400
where we're finding more and more. That's the driving issue of the staff and candidates. That's

595
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:06,920
what they're looking for. So your belief is that they would not, our current and prospective employees,

596
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:12,940
these firefighters and paramedics would not be enticed by any kind of step-grade?

597
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:19,760
Um, we're advertising that the rates that we are now and we're not enticing, no, we're

598
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:25,720
not enticing those individuals, maybe a neighboring department who has the 48-hour average

599
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:25,780
rate.

600
00:43:25,780 --> 00:43:26,240
Well, I'm sorry.

601
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:27,600
I wasn't asking about other 48.

602
00:43:27,620 --> 00:43:31,600
I was talking about, if we said 56, he did, like, Florence, the step-grade.

603
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:32,840
What would that cost be?

604
00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:34,480
And would that be enticing?

605
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,980
It seems like it works for Florence, I guess.

606
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:38,060
I can't believe it.

607
00:43:38,060 --> 00:43:40,500
The initial adjustment would be hundreds of thousands

608
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:44,040
because they start out much higher

609
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,820
than we even have some of our four, five year

610
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,680
firefighter medics here already.

611
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,060
It'd be good to see that because right now,

612
00:43:51,060 --> 00:43:54,640
I'm just looking at a $399,000 per year increase

613
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:55,580
in far less.

614
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,800
It'd be good to see side by side what that looks like.

615
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,800
It's not, and also just to combat what you said earlier,

616
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,240
We are out of the seven largest apartments in northern Kentucky.

617
00:44:05,780 --> 00:44:08,500
Six of them have a 48 hour work week, by the way.

618
00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:10,580
So when you talk about large departments,

619
00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:12,620
saying they don't need it or don't want it,

620
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:16,160
seven of the six of the seven outside of Florence,

621
00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:18,880
all the rest from Hebron to Newport,

622
00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:22,000
to Covington to Earl Langer, to Independence, to the airport,

623
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,060
all of the big departments, and you're saying that

624
00:44:25,060 --> 00:44:28,120
you've talked to big departments that say they don't need it

625
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,080
and it's not needed.

626
00:44:29,540 --> 00:44:32,320
We have seven and six of them do it.

627
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,640
I would hope that we wouldn't make a decision based on what other people are doing, but what

628
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:37,920
all makes sense, right?

629
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,200
And that's what we're doing.

630
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,060
We're asking us what somebody else is doing to see if we can do what they're doing.

631
00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:50,060
I would just like to see side-by-side closeness, we're telling you that competitively, when

632
00:44:50,060 --> 00:44:55,000
we have 31 candidates, not one of them come from those departments of that, and most

633
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,640
of the 31 candidates had zero experience.

634
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,180
things they were in.

635
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,780
We've lost almost four in the last three months to competitors that have 48 hour work weeks and those people who've left us indicated that is the number one reason they left. And we have multiple other ones that are looking at other departments right now that we're trying to do common sense and not lose them to other departments and make decisions that we believe will combat that to do it. Brian, maybe you could address the affordability for the city. Can the city afford to do this?

636
00:45:29,780 --> 00:45:35,940
So that's just so opposed to out that we are still doing

637
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:38,380
doubly road. We're just not doing the original project.

638
00:45:38,580 --> 00:45:42,600
We are fixing it and paving it and doing all the stuff.

639
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:44,440
We're just not some of the work that we want to do.

640
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,960
So we'll think that one. I just want to make sure that

641
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,720
council has decided that we are going to be done next month.

642
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,900
Secondly, when we took out the fact that what

643
00:45:56,900 --> 00:46:01,800
But Jeff was indicating that in the budget, the original discussion was, we probably

644
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,440
cannot afford this because the Dudley Road, over the next several years, is going to take

645
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,580
up several millions of dollars in our current budget, but when we take that adjustment out

646
00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:16,900
and we make the adjustment to the work that's going to be done on Dudley Road in comparison

647
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:21,340
to the other projects that we're going to do on Dudley Road, when we make that adjustment,

648
00:46:21,620 --> 00:46:26,740
our budget will still, if we put in the proposal that the chief's done, we will

649
00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:32,960
net over a million dollars plus in our general fund at the end of the fiscal year because of the

650
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,480
offset that we were going to do for Dudley Road, which I believe we had somewhere around maybe

651
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:44,960
1.5 million dollars budget in for the Dudley Road project. So the affordability of it is now,

652
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:50,440
once that project will be done and over, the only big large road project we have left is Charter Oak.

653
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:57,340
We already have that in the budget, and we have those cycles already kind of in place to handle it.

654
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:07,520
So, the affordability side of it, and that's only me saying that that may, Jamie, that might not be you believing that we have it, which is perfectly acceptable.

655
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:16,840
But I'm just saying that when we take Dunley Road, the bulk of that project out that we were going to do, put back the cost of what we are really going to do.

656
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:24,140
We will have, if we don't do this process, we don't approve what the chief is asking for.

657
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:31,280
We will have somewhere around 1.3 or 1.4 million plus in the General Fund next year at the end of the year.

658
00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:36,100
So we thought we were going to end at about 5.7, I think it was maybe.

659
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:44,060
We're going to end at 6.8 and that's estimating what the proposal is to the chief.

660
00:47:44,060 --> 00:47:48,420
And if not, we would end up somewhere around 7 million instead of 5.7.

661
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:54,020
So the affordability, we're not going backwards and the tax rate that we're proposing today

662
00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:56,500
is lower than the tax rate that was last year.

663
00:47:56,980 --> 00:47:59,600
So we're going to be able to do that with the affordability of it.

664
00:48:00,860 --> 00:48:06,360
And again, I'm saying that as a affordability council has the privilege of saying we don't

665
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,460
believe that that still does not meet the means of affordability.

666
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,480
So just so you know the actual numbers, that's what they are.

667
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:18,800
Yeah, I mean support of the change, however, we do need to clean up the budget if we're

668
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,740
going to add then we need to write us what's in the road fund.

669
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:28,600
I know that there are some open items on estimates and things, but we can't leave the current

670
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,700
amount of the roads in there without and then add on the fire department.

671
00:48:32,940 --> 00:48:36,140
So we need to put and take at the same time with the amendment.

672
00:48:36,460 --> 00:48:41,760
So Dr. Spirley just to kind of assure, I was actually going to come back and make

673
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,960
that tonight to be one of the recommendations for an amendment. Council just

674
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,420
asked if I would hold off until we knew exactly what the WRA was and then we

675
00:48:50,420 --> 00:48:55,120
would do the amendment but I do believe 700,000 for that is more than enough.

676
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,600
The only number that I don't have right now is the striking of the cost

677
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,820
walks and we're working on that to make sure that we can get those in and we just

678
00:49:03,820 --> 00:49:06,900
got to wait till after the milling is done and although it's down and then we'll

679
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:10,100
strike them but we're working on that final estimate but I don't think that

680
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:16,660
I mean the last time we did all the ones we did wasn't it was under $20,000 so I think it should

681
00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:22,200
not be a budget. It's not a budget impact. It's not a impact to the budget. So I believe my business

682
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:29,400
we call that rounding. Yeah so right now I believe we're maybe 500,000 on Dudley Road to do the middle

683
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:37,180
full debt repairs and all of the replacement and the striping and maybe 20, 30 in engineering and

684
00:49:37,180 --> 00:49:42,680
maybe another 20. So that 700 that amestimating on those numbers I think is more

685
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:47,800
enough for that could be lower. But council just ask I wait until that's done

686
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,580
and we know it and it make one big adjustment so we know it's an accurate

687
00:49:52,580 --> 00:49:55,920
number. So we are going to make that adjustment pull it out.

688
00:49:56,260 --> 00:49:56,640
Thank you sir.

689
00:49:59,340 --> 00:50:04,540
What over the last six months nine months what has the staffing level been on your

690
00:50:04,540 --> 00:50:07,120
have you been able to 100 percent?

691
00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:13,300
No, no. In fact, we've been running short since June.

692
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:15,520
We had two individuals leave.

693
00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:19,520
We did go out to advertise for those positions.

694
00:50:20,140 --> 00:50:23,380
And that's created, obviously, a draw on our staff

695
00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:25,600
as far as the overtime budget there.

696
00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:31,200
And it's the difficult time as far as the vacancies

697
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:36,860
of a shift that creates, you know, trying to equip all the apparatus and the

698
00:50:36,860 --> 00:50:43,740
ambulances that we have that's been showing some some issues for us. We get

699
00:50:43,740 --> 00:50:48,760
those dips, maybe not both evidence be able to be in service for period of

700
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,940
time. We've experienced those issues.

701
00:50:52,840 --> 00:51:00,840
Then the other question I have is, you know, we we get funds from other cities

702
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:09,360
other entities that go into their department, right? So, tell me, talk to me about the contract

703
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:15,720
situation there, are those contracts coming up again? Can we do more out of the rocks there?

704
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:23,020
Yeah, so what we did three years ago, Tom? About three years ago. So what we did three years ago,

705
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:28,420
because we were continually negotiating those contracts, they'll put them out the bid. We have an

706
00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:35,420
escalator clause in I think it's three or four percent. So that way, unless it comes to a point, we can open it back up and

707
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:43,580
to negotiate, but we net 400,000. I think it's about 450,000.

708
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,740
450,000 right now.

709
00:51:46,740 --> 00:51:50,120
The contracts we have in place are considered fair and appropriate.

710
00:51:50,620 --> 00:51:52,240
I believe so.

711
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:57,440
Well, I mean, wouldn't this be a situation since we are changing the staffing and changing

712
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:03,820
the time that you could renegotiate the contract, it's sort of like a...

713
00:52:03,820 --> 00:52:10,360
For Mitchell, and we went with For Mitchell to negotiate this contract, and right now, For

714
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:16,980
Mitchell's doing a 48-hour work week, so they're affording it, I'm not sure how, but I think

715
00:52:16,980 --> 00:52:23,880
to build on what I'm hearing is there's a per-run rate and that per-run rate within the city

716
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,520
without the city is impacted by a few factors one of which being over time the other which being

717
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:36,160
salary if we are going to materially balance change the balance of that per-run rate wherever the

718
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:42,980
call is with an additional $400,000 in expense that may not be a net net increase of $400,000 it may

719
00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:49,520
be a delta of 350 or whatever because we might have 100 grand in overtime because of the staffing

720
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:55,340
challenges but I would think we would rebalance it and look to make sure that rate you know that

721
00:52:55,340 --> 00:53:00,600
same increase in delta we look to apply to some of those contracts not necessarily for renegotiations

722
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:07,060
just a rebalancing of our program rate is up x percent because of these type of recruiting challenges

723
00:53:07,060 --> 00:53:12,380
so we do need to look and say if you're at x dollars right now for a year you know we need to

724
00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:20,840
increase that by 4%, in fact, whatever that is over what our built-in escalator might

725
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,860
be. I'm not saying we have to do it, saying it's something we should look at and make

726
00:53:25,860 --> 00:53:32,000
a business decision about. Is that number that you said? Is that just the contract or does

727
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,960
that include the insurance payments that we're also collecting from those funds?

728
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:40,060
I think that's also the EMS billing rates on that as well.

729
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:51,140
There's only a few services here, the city provides, right, that are necessary.

730
00:53:54,100 --> 00:54:01,480
I've always thought that we need to be competitive and that we need to have staffing levels at 100 percent.

731
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,200
If that means cutting somewhere else, that's something we need to consider.

732
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,300
There's no other way to do this.

733
00:54:12,260 --> 00:54:16,860
Right, this is just what I'm saying in the market.

734
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:25,220
You know, I'm not, you know, it's just one of those things that the current individuals

735
00:54:25,220 --> 00:54:30,260
that are looking for employment and that are looking and those are items that people are looking at

736
00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:34,300
as what's the average work week, you know, things.

737
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:40,020
It's becoming to stand there and this is in a luxury and the fact that there isn't

738
00:54:40,020 --> 00:54:46,840
enough in the labor market to hire. I mean it's it's down to you may not like it

739
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,760
but if you're going to compete you have to kind of offer it and there are more

740
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:57,140
cities right now talking about changing if they aren't at a 48 hour workweek

741
00:54:57,140 --> 00:55:01,960
in our 56s. They're going to find out when they do their recruitment. Their list

742
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,800
This is going to get shorter and they're going to be hiring people that are interns, volunteers.

743
00:55:08,580 --> 00:55:12,420
And providing that service means someone's going to pull up in front of your house in an

744
00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:16,120
ambulance that has less than three years of experience, right?

745
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:21,680
And so, or the number of people that we do have here that are experienced are going to go

746
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:27,800
into a fire and fight the fire with someone that has less than two or three years of experience,

747
00:55:27,940 --> 00:55:28,080
right?

748
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:37,740
And then it's also since we are beginner heavy the middle is weak and the top could go at any time we're going to quite a weak position.

749
00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:44,360
And that's because of the labor market. It's not nothing that you all know.

750
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,720
I know. I know. It's just the common things that we've asked.

751
00:55:47,980 --> 00:55:50,080
You've supported raising salaries. Right.

752
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:58,720
and we fought it and fought it and fought it until I believe now that I have a question

753
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:07,400
for Chief regarding that point that you had 33 or 31 candidates listed here yes are

754
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:13,320
do you know what the average amount of experience those applicants have are we

755
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,580
getting people with one or two years experience applying we know we're across the

756
00:56:16,580 --> 00:56:23,400
Lord or I don't have the numbers back broken down the categories, but we had individuals that didn't even have have all the fire

757
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:31,240
Basic one certifications. Yeah, so yeah, so like they were still a recruit school or they they went to some abbreviated school

758
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:37,380
That the way the state does it. They have two blisters. They have a basic one and a basic two to help you out

759
00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:46,140
Years ago the basic one was used to be like 150 hours and they restubed it down to 110 hours or the training and then

760
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,720
a basic two, which used to be like a career,

761
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,240
that was 400 hours, then they did reduce it down to 300 hours.

762
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,560
So currently I believe we only had maybe two

763
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,100
or three individuals that had over 300 hours of work

764
00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:04,460
to train everybody else was at that heart mark

765
00:57:04,460 --> 00:57:08,440
if that, when you think about what a police officer

766
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,500
and I'm not trying to create apples and oranges,

767
00:57:11,820 --> 00:57:14,360
there's a lot of training that goes into this

768
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,780
And they're coming out, you know, for 100 hours certification, a basic one, and that's

769
00:57:19,780 --> 00:57:25,260
our candidate pool if we're lucky to achieve and to attract right now is the basic one

770
00:57:25,260 --> 00:57:25,860
certification.

771
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:31,360
My background obviously, you know this is police department, and I know the model has been

772
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,700
we want to hire the most experienced people we can, and so we try and, you know, compensate

773
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:36,300
for that, right?

774
00:57:36,940 --> 00:57:44,700
I understand if we're not getting the experience applicants, then we should do something.

775
00:57:45,380 --> 00:57:45,660
I agree.

776
00:57:46,380 --> 00:57:51,080
Jamie, this spreadsheet, we took it off the fit, but the spreadsheet itself,

777
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:55,100
there's another area to it that shows like all those basic one,

778
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,040
basic two, every certification in a Xbox is for me.

779
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,540
And it was scary to think that most of the people on this list that we hired,

780
00:58:03,540 --> 00:58:19,840
we were going to have to get them to make the decision to stay competitive than I think we need to look in other places that cut them.

781
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:29,040
I don't like the idea of incurring $309,000 a year additionally without looking somewhere else to cut.

782
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,000
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, Mr. Thielin, but that's what I heard you say.

783
00:58:34,460 --> 00:58:42,280
I'm not saying cut, right, necessarily, when I'm saying it is finding other sources for those funds.

784
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,560
And in the past, these contracts have been kind of one side.

785
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:51,340
And thanks to you guys, we brought that back to where we're not losing them.

786
00:58:51,980 --> 00:58:58,420
And I just want to make sure that going forward, there's no other opportunities we can give to maybe help us out.

787
00:58:58,420 --> 00:59:02,160
So here's the concern, here's the concern that the chief and I have.

788
00:59:02,620 --> 00:59:08,360
If I'm Crusty Hills, and you are in Edgewood is running their ambulance service and their

789
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:08,700
fire.

790
00:59:08,980 --> 00:59:15,300
The people that have one to three years of experience and Fort Mitchell is hiring the people that we

791
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:20,300
have that have three years of experience or have more because they've been able to build

792
00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:26,580
that experience level then Crusty Hills is saying, wait a minute, why are we paying you

793
00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:31,000
when you don't have the experience and they have the experience so we've kind

794
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,980
of backed off of that summit until we could build that group and then we can go

795
00:59:34,980 --> 00:59:39,420
back and say hey we have a strong group we were providing the service we

796
00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:44,420
should be providing at the level that our employees should be staffed at and I

797
00:59:44,420 --> 00:59:47,900
think you know I just mentioned again this sounds like a lot like close

798
00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:56,560
doors you know places like Florence the airport they're the Yankees and the

799
01:00:01,770 --> 01:00:06,990
The other thing is, you know, we talk about normally it's very hard for us to ever be competitive

800
01:00:06,990 --> 01:00:12,030
with Florence, Heber and Newport. I mean, chief and I tell you all the time, we're not going to compete

801
01:00:12,030 --> 01:00:16,010
with COVID-19, let's get out of that. We're not getting candidates from Taylor Mill,

802
01:00:17,470 --> 01:00:23,330
Independents, Wilder, Alexandria, right? We're not getting them from places that we should be

803
01:00:23,330 --> 01:00:28,850
getting candidates from, and we're losing candidates now to four Mitchell, two other ones,

804
01:00:28,850 --> 01:00:33,130
right? So the places that we want to compete with and we want to see candidates from, we're

805
01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:37,990
not getting those candidates and we're losing those candidates. We're not even worried about today.

806
01:00:38,770 --> 01:00:42,910
The forages and the covington are going to take them when they have it all because they have

807
01:00:42,910 --> 01:00:49,870
run volumes, huge big departments opportunities, but the small departments like us and all the others

808
01:00:49,870 --> 01:00:54,650
in the area are just trying to get standard to where they can say hey if we can prove that we have a

809
01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:56,750
a great culture and a good place to work

810
01:00:56,750 --> 01:00:58,930
or providing good benefits, you want to stay.

811
01:00:59,350 --> 01:01:03,110
And both candidates that I recently just spoke to

812
01:01:03,110 --> 01:01:05,770
to try to give them the, hey, encouragement,

813
01:01:06,310 --> 01:01:07,690
recruitment, you need to stay here.

814
01:01:07,790 --> 01:01:09,270
They said, we love it here.

815
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:10,430
We want to stay here.

816
01:01:10,670 --> 01:01:11,510
We don't want to leave.

817
01:01:12,370 --> 01:01:14,490
But I can go over there and get paid the same

818
01:01:14,490 --> 01:01:16,650
and I get 400 something hours off.

819
01:01:17,410 --> 01:01:21,090
My family's telling me why would I not do that, right?

820
01:01:21,490 --> 01:01:23,490
So we had ones that said, I'll trust

821
01:01:23,490 --> 01:01:25,250
and I'll stay here to see if we can do it.

822
01:01:25,690 --> 01:01:27,970
And one just said, I can't take that chance.

823
01:01:29,010 --> 01:01:29,610
Fair enough?

824
01:01:29,890 --> 01:01:29,990
Yeah.

825
01:01:30,670 --> 01:01:34,090
And so, and I don't think we have to cut anywhere in the budget.

826
01:01:35,530 --> 01:01:38,950
We have to, we've gone past all of those big construction projects

827
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:39,770
that we're going to do.

828
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:44,430
We may just not have that additional 400 if we want to do some other big projects

829
01:01:44,430 --> 01:01:47,970
on time, but we are going to start building back to the general fund

830
01:01:47,970 --> 01:01:52,610
because we've got over all of the big huge construction projects

831
01:01:52,610 --> 01:01:56,450
that we're going to do on roads and we're going to see it now go back and start

832
01:01:56,450 --> 01:02:01,530
growing again to a level that council can make decisions financially if they

833
01:02:01,530 --> 01:02:05,050
believe we have accumulated too much in the general fund or if there's

834
01:02:05,050 --> 01:02:08,250
another project you want to do. So I don't believe that we're going to have to make

835
01:02:08,250 --> 01:02:16,530
any cuts whatsoever to it. That Dudley road, that placeholder for Dudley Road was a big

836
01:02:16,530 --> 01:02:20,410
and we've now accomplished that and we're done with that.

837
01:02:24,180 --> 01:02:27,120
So, would you be a motion or do you see that?

838
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:28,200
Yes, I think we would.

839
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:28,800
Of course.

840
01:02:29,340 --> 01:02:33,120
No, I basically just go ahead and we can just take a head count

841
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:34,560
from a sample who would be interested

842
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,440
for give time to the approval,

843
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:37,600
so we can put it in the budget.

844
01:02:37,860 --> 01:02:40,560
And if you could make a motion to the motion,

845
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:40,980
I think so.

846
01:02:41,260 --> 01:02:45,080
Right, if we could prove that the fire chief's proposal.

847
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,120
I'll second it.

848
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:46,820
I

849
01:02:49,820 --> 01:02:54,660
also would just add that it's for a 48 hour work week transitioning from a 56 hour

850
01:02:54,660 --> 01:02:56,540
work week down to a 48 hour work day.

851
01:02:56,740 --> 01:02:57,320
Next doctor.

852
01:02:57,620 --> 01:03:01,840
I think at the end it kind of it has the language of the recommendation and we'll go

853
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:02,240
with that.

854
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:07,500
It's the transition from a 56 and just so you know out of transparency.

855
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:17,640
It's an average of 56 hours so they go 48, 48, 72 and now they'll go 48, 48, 48, 48.

856
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,360
It will be a set for you in our work.

857
01:03:20,060 --> 01:03:20,340
Correct.

858
01:03:20,820 --> 01:03:21,440
She's correct.

859
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,380
OK, so just out of transparency, that's how they get to the 56

860
01:03:25,380 --> 01:03:27,460
because they have a 72 hour work week here.

861
01:03:29,790 --> 01:03:30,210
Call the roll.

862
01:03:31,090 --> 01:03:31,370
Yes, please.

863
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:32,550
Any further discussion?

864
01:03:32,850 --> 01:03:34,650
If not, let us call the roll, please.

865
01:03:34,830 --> 01:03:35,470
Mr. Schreiber?

866
01:03:35,590 --> 01:03:35,730
Yes.

867
01:03:36,090 --> 01:03:36,770
Mrs. Spears?

868
01:03:36,850 --> 01:03:36,970
Yes.

869
01:03:37,370 --> 01:03:38,190
Mr. Barledges?

870
01:03:38,190 --> 01:03:38,350
Yes.

871
01:03:38,590 --> 01:03:39,350
Mr. Messmer?

872
01:03:39,530 --> 01:03:39,710
Yes.

873
01:03:40,130 --> 01:03:40,670
Mr. Rule?

874
01:03:41,010 --> 01:03:41,250
No.

875
01:03:42,610 --> 01:03:43,430
Dr. Spilly?

876
01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:44,290
Yes.

877
01:03:44,970 --> 01:03:46,610
With the accompanying budget amendment.

878
01:03:47,710 --> 01:03:48,570
Mr. Thielin?

879
01:03:48,570 --> 01:03:48,950
Yes.

880
01:03:54,540 --> 01:03:59,020
We'll add it to the budget. I appreciate your consideration. Thank you very much, Tom.

881
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:07,010
And I guess thank you very much, Consul. Consul from Snowborne.

882
01:04:07,650 --> 01:04:13,330
We certainly now have some more ammunition that we can go after and make sure that we have the

883
01:04:13,330 --> 01:04:14,890
evidence and everything running on time.

884
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:25,220
So when will this take effect and how you staff it until then?

885
01:04:25,220 --> 01:04:31,740
So, I would work with Mr. Deener and coming up with, as he works with the budget proposal,

886
01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:37,320
the numbers we were kind of just, and this is just a basic outline, showed in there for

887
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:42,860
like maybe in a goal or a timeline set of November 1st, it's going to give us an opportunity

888
01:04:42,860 --> 01:04:46,080
to advertise for those positions to bring those individuals in.

889
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:51,280
And then we can maybe set to where we actually kick it in, in fact, around November timeline.

890
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:56,960
But that's kind of what the numbers we were using with a, you know, a November timeline right now.

891
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,540
Yeah, we have one opening now that we have to fill.

892
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:00,920
Correct.

893
01:05:01,100 --> 01:05:02,100
Yes, I do.

894
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:08,000
Well, the strategy we'll take is we'll probably put an advertisement out for that particular,

895
01:05:08,100 --> 01:05:13,280
not that particular position, a firefighter medic will list the benefits that we have.

896
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:18,260
And one of the top benefits that everyone lists now is the fact that they have a 48 hour work week at the head.

897
01:05:18,260 --> 01:05:23,220
That's one of the top and that sparks a lot of people's interest now to kind of go

898
01:05:23,220 --> 01:05:26,460
So we'll advertise that position out of those

899
01:05:27,260 --> 01:05:33,120
Candidates that we get our hope is is there's three additional that are sitting in there that as we work through this

900
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:39,180
We can go ahead and start interviewing them and have them in place and possibly you know a lot of times now

901
01:05:39,940 --> 01:05:44,720
Firefighter medical have to give 30 days because they may have some shifts to fill still

902
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,600
they may have some trades that they have to take and they would like to be 30.

903
01:05:48,900 --> 01:05:56,520
So if we're in October offering positions and stuff, it could be November, December before we get all the way to where we have.

904
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,760
There's a few internal things that we have to deal with.

905
01:06:00,380 --> 01:06:08,960
So the shift that the three that are coming in to help get us to the 48 hour work week, they have a different day run.

906
01:06:09,060 --> 01:06:12,540
So they're always going to be on Monday or Thursday.

907
01:06:12,540 --> 01:06:19,140
day. So that's kind of a preferred shift if you can get it. We, the chief and the assistant chief

908
01:06:19,140 --> 01:06:24,600
got to figure out what the internal policy will be if those are internal candidates can go to

909
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:29,640
that shift or not. So we've got to work through some of those and figure out how I got to get to people.

910
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:37,080
Can we remember six months apart, say next June, do some sort of an assessment of the

911
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:42,220
higher ease, where we are at, like in the status of beginner, middle, higher up?

912
01:06:42,220 --> 01:06:42,520
Absolutely.

913
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:43,400
You can update.

914
01:06:44,580 --> 01:06:51,980
I can update that, and certainly, and I try to keep all counsel praised of the situations

915
01:06:51,980 --> 01:06:56,520
under the monthly report when we do have those individuals that may be resigned things like

916
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:56,700
that.

917
01:06:57,140 --> 01:07:02,920
But I can certainly, you know, I'll keep you in praise of our current status of our employees,

918
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:09,780
and there's members, I'll do that in the yearly but annual report as well to track

919
01:07:09,780 --> 01:07:14,460
that information as well. I just think like six months prior from the

920
01:07:14,460 --> 01:07:19,140
November day would give us a good tracking and assessment of how it worked.

921
01:07:19,580 --> 01:07:24,560
Sure. I can do that. Thank you. I think we'll see that in a recruit. If it works,

922
01:07:24,740 --> 01:07:27,420
it's going to work. We're going to say employees. Yeah.

923
01:07:36,860 --> 01:07:43,880
We talked about that today, we wish that is there any thought that if we if council agrees to the recommendation

924
01:07:45,380 --> 01:07:52,560
One of the candidates we lost there any thought that maybe they would come back but we did not make cut and don't make come in whether they were wrong

925
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,300
But we talked about that once the possibility of getting some of those

926
01:07:58,380 --> 01:08:02,880
Our biggest hope is, is the ones that we have now, just so we don't move.

927
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:04,500
We keep on.

928
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:12,520
The individuals that we hire, they're going to be really great firefighter, eventually medics,

929
01:08:12,620 --> 01:08:14,120
because they're moving toward that.

930
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,620
They're just fresh in terms and they come out and they just need it.

931
01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:23,100
So our hope and Tom's really hoping that in two or three years they don't go,

932
01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:25,760
So hey, thank you for getting me a medic and giving my experience.

933
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,640
Now I'm going to go to work somewhere else.

934
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,280
So our hope is that.

935
01:08:29,660 --> 01:08:30,640
So we hope to do that.

936
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,300
And the ones you're hiring are top notch people, which

937
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:33,640
should keep you.

938
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,120
I guess it's a good sign, too, that the staff that you bring

939
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,540
on to your department, you train up,

940
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,040
they become great candidates for someplace else.

941
01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:45,540
But we just like to retain them here for our community.

942
01:08:46,620 --> 01:08:49,900
Bridget, yes, I'm out the cost of when we get someone to train.

943
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,200
The other kind of a hidden non-financial cost

944
01:08:54,200 --> 01:09:00,120
that we have is when we have turnover like that in each shift, they don't get to do advanced

945
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:04,480
training because once those people are coming into their shifts, they got to kind of drop back

946
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:10,520
again and retrain and get it going. So the staff that's here that's been here for that we're

947
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:14,840
kind of are keeping around, they're frustrated in fact that every time we think we get somewhere,

948
01:09:14,980 --> 01:09:20,120
now we got to drop back and retrain and do it, we don't get to move on to those next steps. So

949
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:26,140
So there's kind of a cost that's happening in the department of frustration and why we keep

950
01:09:26,140 --> 01:09:32,180
having this turnover, our shift, they get pretty close on the shift and then they have

951
01:09:32,180 --> 01:09:34,020
turned over and they're like, hey, we're right back to the beginning.

952
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:39,460
If you're a captain, you're like, golly, yeah, I'm right back to two new people that I've

953
01:09:39,460 --> 01:09:43,720
got to train again and get them up to the level that we need for our shift.

954
01:09:44,140 --> 01:09:49,240
So there is a cost that I'm hoping we're not going to see financially, but long-term

955
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:58,660
We see some of our staff go, and it's a lot better now because we're keeping people here and we're able to move and get ahead of the game and for training.

956
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:02,660
Thanks again. Thanks again.

957
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,600
This is complicated. Thanks, Tom. Thanks, Chief.

958
01:10:04,780 --> 01:10:05,320
Appreciate it.

959
01:10:06,260 --> 01:10:17,000
Just a FYI from standpoint of September the 7th meeting is canceled basically because of the city ordinance due to the Labor Day federal holiday.

960
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:21,980
so don't everybody come over here on the seventh but we're just to notify

961
01:10:21,980 --> 01:10:27,660
everybody that we will be closed and we will be on no council meeting on the

962
01:10:27,660 --> 01:10:32,200
seventh of September. We do have an ordinance tonight's on the books we have

963
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:46,980
an ordinance 2026.08-06 which is the fiscal year 2026 to 2027 it's the

964
01:10:46,980 --> 01:10:48,980
somebody has gotten the memo?

965
01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:50,640
Yes, so...

966
01:10:51,180 --> 01:10:53,140
Kind of correct me.

967
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,820
Our current tax rate is 1-8-5.

968
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:56,360
Correct.

969
01:10:57,140 --> 01:11:00,480
The tax rate being proposed in the ordinance is 1-8-2,

970
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:01,760
so it's dropping.

971
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:07,100
That is the compensating rate, which means we will generate

972
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,700
the same revenue that we had projected for this year

973
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:13,780
plus new construction we get.

974
01:11:13,780 --> 01:11:20,240
so it goes up somewhat the revenue source will but that's what the

975
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:25,360
projection is and the rate will drop from 1 8 5 to 1 8 2. Council has the

976
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:30,900
ability to insert whatever rate they would wish to insert if it goes over 4% it

977
01:11:30,900 --> 01:11:37,860
is subject to a voter recall so keep that in mind and you are welcome to do any

978
01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:45,000
rate that you want. The ordinance that is put together, Frank can scratch that out and put a new

979
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:50,160
rate in but we have the compensating rate which we think is fair and equitable. And within the budget

980
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:55,540
that we put together for the fiscal year, we kind of projected that number with the thought that

981
01:11:55,540 --> 01:12:00,000
you approved it with me telling you that I would not be coming and saying that we needed to increase

982
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:06,140
any taxes fees or any other charges and we are still staying with that. So from the individual

983
01:12:06,140 --> 01:12:12,180
standpoint from the Householder's standpoint, it was they were paying 1-8-5, and we're

984
01:12:12,180 --> 01:12:17,420
not telling them they will pay 1-8-2, so they will be paying less. The city will be

985
01:12:17,420 --> 01:12:22,580
retaining the same money coming in. Under the premise that last year their

986
01:12:22,580 --> 01:12:26,760
house was worth some amount, and this year their house was worth identically the

987
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:35,360
same, right? So if they had a $500,000 home last year, they were paying 1-8-5. If

988
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,460
They have a $500,000 house this year.

989
01:12:37,620 --> 01:12:38,580
They're going to pay $1,82.

990
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,160
And then we'll go down some portion,

991
01:12:41,340 --> 01:12:42,240
but it will not go forward.

992
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,780
And all that I do want to say that this year,

993
01:12:46,060 --> 01:12:48,420
the trash collection fee won't change,

994
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,460
but it will next year.

995
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,080
So even though our rate drops,

996
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,280
sometimes the build of the drop because rump key prices

997
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:57,880
are going up.

998
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,260
So from a due diligence to the residents of Edgwood,

999
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,220
why wouldn't we keep it at $1,85?

1000
01:13:04,220 --> 01:13:06,060
they would be paying the same.

1001
01:13:08,220 --> 01:13:08,900
That's your option.

1002
01:13:09,620 --> 01:13:11,500
Out of transparency, don't we, too?

1003
01:13:12,980 --> 01:13:15,520
No, we've got, we're going to fire fighters.

1004
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,200
Council have the ability to do that if they would like to do it.

1005
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,280
I'm telling you, putting the budget together,

1006
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,800
I think that you're financially sound, but that rate,

1007
01:13:26,300 --> 01:13:30,240
and we'll have money left over at the end of the fiscal year,

1008
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,540
which we need sometimes to be able to do other projects

1009
01:13:33,540 --> 01:13:36,200
or maintenance and stuff like that on our assets.

1010
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,960
So your 185 is a good one.

1011
01:13:41,620 --> 01:13:45,120
I know I'm gonna maybe not this year,

1012
01:13:45,180 --> 01:13:47,160
but one council member says,

1013
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,140
hey, why don't we make it a 2% raise each year?

1014
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,580
Just they all said inflation and tried to keep up with it.

1015
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,040
So we don't end up in a financial situation.

1016
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,900
But I honestly would tell you, I think that like,

1017
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,360
hey, you financially need to do something more

1018
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:01,420
than the rate that we're having.

1019
01:14:01,420 --> 01:14:08,540
But you are welcome to do whatever rate you would wish or whatever you think would you have heard if you think it's

1020
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,700
I would like to see the property owners

1021
01:14:12,420 --> 01:14:14,400
Get something back you know

1022
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:19,420
I always felt all along you know for bringing in enough money that this is the rate that we reduce

1023
01:14:19,420 --> 01:14:22,740
Because we're bringing in enough money from payroll tax

1024
01:14:23,480 --> 01:14:29,500
And on a side note I don't know if anybody knows is a lot of the cities have raised their payroll tax

1025
01:14:32,900 --> 01:14:40,360
We're at 1% there are still cities at 1%, but a lot of them gone up, but 1.25, 1.5, and

1026
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:41,600
else there's a 1.75.

1027
01:14:42,980 --> 01:14:48,720
So there's other avenues that we don't have to ask our property owners for more money.

1028
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:50,420
Go and don't ask him to pay more.

1029
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:56,120
Well, if you had the PVA come through and assess your home, you will pay more.

1030
01:15:01,100 --> 01:15:03,000
But that was done last year. Yeah.

1031
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:17,420
There's other reasons why your your home will be evaluated or re-evaluated by PVA. There's other instances. And so you could technically be paying more if your house is re-evaluated.

1032
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:27,420
Right. If you kind of highlights yourself by an addition. Yeah. So this

1033
01:15:33,630 --> 01:15:36,770
is a reading, right? This reading or reading? No, actually.

1034
01:15:36,770 --> 01:15:48,830
And it will be the second meeting in September when the second meeting is asked, and that will take a motion to the read and then action to pass it.

1035
01:15:49,530 --> 01:16:03,410
So just to sort of round this out, since Jeff, you raised the specter of payroll tax disparity between Edgewood and other cities, can we get a list of payroll tax from other cities?

1036
01:16:07,870 --> 01:16:12,350
I think the only one in King County lower than us would be Fort Wright and they're like

1037
01:16:12,350 --> 01:16:12,930
.99.

1038
01:16:13,630 --> 01:16:13,810
Yeah.

1039
01:16:14,110 --> 01:16:16,150
They did that all purpose to be lower than that.

1040
01:16:18,270 --> 01:16:20,850
But I believe it's the area of the lowest,

1041
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:27,710
there's one, yeah, but I'm saying, the lower

1042
01:16:27,710 --> 01:16:33,530
was one I think in King County is .99 and maybe the highest is there's maybe two point

1043
01:16:33,530 --> 01:16:38,410
something and with us being the number one city in the state yeah well actually

1044
01:16:38,410 --> 01:16:44,930
can I ask for other cities who don't have school taxes other cities around

1045
01:16:44,930 --> 01:16:49,090
this that are just can county because for Mitchell might have a different payroll

1046
01:16:49,090 --> 01:16:53,770
tax but they also have a school tax do they also have a road tax okay so I wanted

1047
01:16:53,770 --> 01:16:58,970
to get as much life as the city has a school tax the school boards past taxes

1048
01:16:58,970 --> 01:17:00,670
Some of them have a school tax.

1049
01:17:00,770 --> 01:17:00,930
Okay.

1050
01:17:01,310 --> 01:17:04,750
I guess the city of Port Mitchell collects the tax.

1051
01:17:04,750 --> 01:17:06,070
They just collect the tax.

1052
01:17:06,690 --> 01:17:09,170
But the board, the school board sets that rate,

1053
01:17:09,950 --> 01:17:11,870
but the board of Mitchell does not set it

1054
01:17:11,870 --> 01:17:12,910
or for Thomas or anybody.

1055
01:17:13,090 --> 01:17:15,250
Those are all set by the school board.

1056
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:19,330
I guess in the game, from a resident standpoint,

1057
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:22,790
what taxes would I be paying if I were in these cities?

1058
01:17:23,070 --> 01:17:25,230
Which cities got to be two or three of them

1059
01:17:25,230 --> 01:17:26,930
that are more like Edgewood than others?

1060
01:17:26,930 --> 01:17:28,350
was the cheapest place to live in.

1061
01:17:28,350 --> 01:17:30,070
There were the cheapest, and that's why we came.

1062
01:17:30,610 --> 01:17:32,330
The number one city in the state of Kentucky for

1063
01:17:32,330 --> 01:17:35,710
$2,026, but yes, the recognition.

1064
01:17:36,190 --> 01:17:39,290
We, I have an older one, and we can update one something.

1065
01:17:39,450 --> 01:17:41,790
Usually what happens is once all the city's kind of past

1066
01:17:41,790 --> 01:17:44,510
their rates, we send out a spreadsheet and say,

1067
01:17:44,570 --> 01:17:46,690
hey, can everybody put your rate in so we can keep it.

1068
01:17:47,170 --> 01:17:51,130
And we'll see like, Ellsmear, Bill Hills has a road tax,

1069
01:17:52,850 --> 01:17:55,110
other communities might have a park tax,

1070
01:17:55,110 --> 01:18:00,150
all of that kind of stuff, interim tax. We don't have an interim premium and maybe

1071
01:18:00,150 --> 01:18:03,490
only two other communities don't have an interim premium. So everybody kind of

1072
01:18:03,490 --> 01:18:07,350
structured it a little bit different. Richard, I couldn't scan the tax form and

1073
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:12,670
send it to you. Okay. Yeah. On the payroll. Yeah. On activation. Yeah, it list is on

1074
01:18:12,670 --> 01:18:18,450
all the octaves. And you can find it on the county website. The more important basis

1075
01:18:18,450 --> 01:18:22,110
is if there's a FIKI cap or not. This is not necessarily the rate. So Fort Wright

1076
01:18:22,110 --> 01:18:23,670
is lower and they have a peak account.

1077
01:18:24,190 --> 01:18:29,990
Yeah, so you need to like your property tax.

1078
01:18:30,170 --> 01:18:35,210
You might be at 182, but there might be a community that has a .30, right?

1079
01:18:35,930 --> 01:18:40,190
But their house values are a third of the house values here, so some of them might pay way

1080
01:18:40,190 --> 01:18:43,530
less on their home there than they do here because of the value.

1081
01:18:43,710 --> 01:18:48,110
So all the rates are weird and it's hard to compare to go, oh, your rate is 182.

1082
01:18:48,110 --> 01:18:51,610
it's like, yeah, but all of our houses are worth the way more than all the houses over there.

1083
01:18:51,970 --> 01:18:54,990
So when they're trying to generate revenue, the rate has to be a little bit higher.

1084
01:18:55,750 --> 01:19:04,350
On occupational, you may have a lower rate or a higher rate, depending on what the makeup is,

1085
01:19:05,570 --> 01:19:10,430
the labor market in your community rate, and you're trying to generate a different rate.

1086
01:19:10,650 --> 01:19:14,630
So if you're coming in, it's extremely high because they have a different makeup of the

1087
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:18,630
labor rate trying to make up just the same number that we might get to, right?

1088
01:19:19,170 --> 01:19:22,510
So it makes it very difficult to compare it, but we can get it to you and you can do that

1089
01:19:22,510 --> 01:19:23,030
comparison.

1090
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:24,650
You know?

1091
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:26,410
The staff went on to defend it.

1092
01:19:26,650 --> 01:19:26,770
Right.

1093
01:19:30,530 --> 01:19:32,470
Well, no further discussion.

1094
01:19:32,670 --> 01:19:32,910
How long?

1095
01:19:33,330 --> 01:19:34,610
Mr. Richmond, to go ahead and read.

1096
01:19:35,730 --> 01:19:36,330
Yes, sir.

1097
01:19:36,430 --> 01:19:37,990
It's an ordinance of the City of Edgwood.

1098
01:19:38,110 --> 01:19:43,110
In Kenton County, Kentucky, providing for the assessment of all real estate and personal

1099
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:48,130
property within the corporate limits of the city of Edgwood, which is subject to taxation

1100
01:19:48,130 --> 01:19:57,290
thereby for the fiscal year of the beginning on July 1, 2026, ending on June 30, 2027 at

1101
01:19:57,290 --> 01:20:05,010
the rate of 0.182 dollars for each $100 of the valuation that are of so assessed, providing

1102
01:20:05,010 --> 01:20:10,590
for the payment collection of such taxes, penalties and interest that are on, and describing

1103
01:20:10,590 --> 01:20:16,710
the purpose for such taxes so collected shall be appropriated and used. By

1104
01:20:16,710 --> 01:20:22,130
summary of the ordinance adopts the PVA valuation of property in the city

1105
01:20:22,130 --> 01:20:28,690
of Edgwood. Love these taxes on real property at 0.182 dollars per hundred

1106
01:20:28,690 --> 01:20:36,870
and an advolume tax on personal property at the rate of 0.149 dollars for

1107
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:42,670
Each $100 of the value that are so assessed provides for the procedure for the collection

1108
01:20:43,310 --> 01:20:51,610
through the county clerk's office and the city clerk's office provided that the taxes

1109
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levied are doing payable on December 31st

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and that the levy shall be subject to a discount

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of 2% if they'd be forward to our 30 if they come to link one on December 30th 31st and

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if should we add in there to a penalty at 10% plus interest at 3 to 12% ordinance further

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provides that to secure the payment of the taxes the city has a lien on the real estate

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personal property provides that the use of the taxes shall be for the general

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operating expenses of the state and

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shall be effective as

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soon as possible

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according to law.

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First reading. First reading no action needs to be taken on

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this. The second reading is what the action needs to be taken if you want to do a

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reconsideration on the tax rate but at this time the tax rate is being lowered and

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and everybody should be.

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And good news to hear that as well.

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With that, we do have some announcements tonight

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and Tuesday nights, summer concerts.

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Sirius wraps up tomorrow night with the closures.

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Oh, yes.

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Lucas, thank you very much.

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We'll get that on the camera as well.

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Make sure that the TV and K, thank you.

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It gets from the standpoint of the closures at 7 p.m.

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tomorrow evening and tomorrow is supposed to be a nice nice day. I'm sorry we

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had a couple rain outs there we have but at the same time this Tuesday is

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supposed to be a nice school or in a moderate evening so look forward to seeing

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everybody tomorrow night with the closures and that's at 7 p.m. This fall chair

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yoga starts September the 2nd and that's 11 in the morning till noon at the

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Liberty Hall. Sign up today and the spaces are limited from the standpoint

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point. There is always a weeding list on the Cherioga from the standpoint and it's

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a great, but it starts September the 2nd, 11 in the morning till noon. And then last

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but not least is we've got the touch of truck in October the 3rd from noon to 2 p.m.

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free and park and that's because of the fire prevention kickoff with a fire department

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and we'll have all our vehicles down there as well and we'll be down there to introduce

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themselves to the people as they come on touch the track October the 3rd. With that I would

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entertain the motion to adjourn. I'll make a motion to adjourn. Second.

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Who was on my left here?

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That was me. Dr. Strillian and Joe. All right. All in favor. All in favor. All in favor.

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Good night, thanks for coming.