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evening everyone. I'm going to try this remote. I'm way visiting family, so I'm going to try to see how this remote zoom works. So I apologize for the different background there.

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Like to call to order the Citarra 21st, Evan City council meeting at 7 p.m.

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And the first order of business will be the flag salute, we do have a flag appearing here, momentarily.

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I pledge allegiance to the future.

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That's too flagged.

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The United States of America.

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Public for which it stands.

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And when nation under God, it is the best.

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We're going to be in justice for all.

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Next we have a landing management.

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I've asked council president to read the acknowledgement.

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Thank you Mr. Mayor.

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We acknowledge the original inhabitants of this place that's the

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publish people and their successors to lay up tribes who since time immemorial have hunted,

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fished, gathered, and taken care of these lands. We respect their subreddit, their right

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to self-determination, and we are their sacred spiritual connection with the land in the water.

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Thank you, next is Rokal's secret. Council member Kristiana Johnson.

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Here. Council member Dispelhorst. Here. Council member Fraley Manila. Present.

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Councilmember Buccines.

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Councilmember Olsen.

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Councilmember President Payne.

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Councilmember Lara Johnson.

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And Mayor Nelson.

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I would like to introduce our President.

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Next, we have a presentation.

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This is from the Snahoma Health District.

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Here to give us their update.

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As required by our agreement.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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And thank you, Council.

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Friend, inviting the health district here tonight.

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My name is Katie Curtis. I'm the Director of our Prevention Services Division here at the Health District and they do have a site presentation to show up. That's okay.

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So I'm going to start out with some of our community trends that we have been seeing from

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2020 to 2021.

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we have seen our rates of Climidea, Hepatitis B and C, and Protossus all going down, which is

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nice to see disease case rates going down in some of our areas. Our gonorrhea, HIV, and tuberculosis

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cases have all remained level over the past year. And unfortunately we have seen a significant increase in

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not only in some home-ish county, but across the state.

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Here to date, we've had 32 new cases through the end of June.

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Compare that to last year and we only had 25 cases for the same period.

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We had 60 new syphilis cases in 2020 and only 46 in 2019.

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We have received some additional funding from the Washington State Department of Health

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to add two more disease investigators to our STD program

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to help us investigate these new cases with syphilis to try and get a handle on those rising

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cases.

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Some of the countywide trends that we've seen over the past year are around some

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of our chronic diseases and injuries such as droid overdoses have gone up. I assure you

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have heard that in the news and then our youth suicides have gone down and I'm going to go over

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those two data points. So this slide outlines all of the drug overdoses and so I'm

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county from 2016 through about mid-2021. The first blue bar is all drive overdoses. A little

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red line that's going across the top are the opioid related overdose deaths and then we've

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broken out some of the drugs you'll see heroin is green. That kind of picks up in 2011 through 2021

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on prescription opioids have remained high,

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a little bit of drop going on into 2020, 2021.

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which would largely be fentanyl

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have really increased over the last few years.

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So I was county continues to work

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with the Somish County Multi-Agency Coordination Group

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to help combat drug overdoses in the county.

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federal funding to work with local hospitals and health care providers in other community groups

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to try and get education and look at what they're seeing locally at the health care provider level.

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And as a reminder, we have a number of prevention treatment and recovery resources online at

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to hommishoverdoseprovention.com.

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One of the things that's kind of in happier news is that the 2020-2021 school year was the first year in a long time that we have not had any youth suicides.

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And you'll see the chart. This is from a larger presentation that I think Wendy Burke Schilt presented to the council a few months ago,

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That shows calls to EMS are also down related to suicidal ideation or an overdose attempt related at self-harm or suicide, so that's all good news.

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The health district is also the coordinator for the county's child death review as well as the newly formed suicide prevention task force.

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Many of these partners came together recently to discuss the trends to see what protective factors may have been in place

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that caused these decreases that we've seen in the last year.

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Some of those might have included the pandemic and the shutdowns, which left more adults at home,

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and youth were less likely to be locked home alone.

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They also youth may have been sleeping more and receiving less testing, which led to less anxiety.

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But we will be looking more at that over the coming months.

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So for Edmonds, we issued 238 annual food permits this year.

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We've had down 1951 food inspections.

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We've followed up on 18 food complaints.

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And then we've done 48 water recreation inspections.

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And this is a picture of a pool that one of our staff went out to help them get it reestablished

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a lot of pools were shuddered and not used for quite some time and so those have been coming back online and

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our staff have been going out to make sure they have everything that they need.

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Our land use activity is also increasing in Snohomish County. You can see that we are, we have an

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increased permits in almost every area, building clearances, new wells, new septic systems and

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and I was built to have all gone up to help with the increase workload that our staff are

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seeing we're looking to increase the number of staff we have to reduce the turnaround

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time on these applications.

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So this is one of the programs from my division, our maternal

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child health program, and we under that program we have our child care health outreach program,

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where we provide consultation to both center-based and home-based child care providers, answering

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questions from COVID related questions to cleaning questions, to air quality. Last year, we had

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a lot of smoke this year. We didn't get so much of that, but we could help provide them with

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ideas and resources. And we also have an online learning module where child care providers

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can earn stars credits. And we do a lot of training around aces and resiliency and trauma-informed

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care with our child care providers.

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The other things we do at the health district are provide the legally required vital records,

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such as birth and death certificates. Our front counter at the health district is now open for

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services, but you can still make some of these requests online. If you've been on our lobby lately,

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you've seen the two new cool key asks that we have, but they also have the not working yet

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on them. We are really hoping that the kiosks are opened up soon to make it a little bit easier for people to get the information that records that they're looking for.

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I just wanted to let you know that in January 1st of 2021, Washington became a closed record state.

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So that means only specific individuals can request birth or a death certificate, along with the documentation that comes with that.

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This new RCWR also limits the amount and type of data that the health district is able to share about deaths in order to protect people's privacy.

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For our goal of addressing ongoing critical public health issues, we continue to address the rise of COVID cases.

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This is our rolling case count from the very beginning until now, and you can see the peaks that we've had last fall was our last big peak.

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We rolled into the springtime with a little bump, and then the summer was kind of down, and then we really skyrocketed back up to higher than what we saw last fall.

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We're watching the current plateau.

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We're hoping that that starts creeping down over these next couple of weeks.

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So we can try and get these back under control.

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One of the unfortunate things is in August.

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We lost 30 residents to COVID compared to 14 in July.

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So we are still seeing unfortunate outcomes with COVID infections.

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two of the maps that we have been putting out, it shows the case rates in the Homish

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You'll see that kind of along the IFI4 door is really have more of our coconut infections

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just because that's where the population is more intense.

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And then the other map, the green one, shows our work on increasing vaccination in the

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county.

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We're starting to see more darker green colors, which is really exciting.

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looking ahead for COVID, we are working to preserve hospital capacity and assisting them

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where we can with their continued bed crunch and ventilators and all of the things that

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they're still needing more preparing for the possibility of booster doses. The FDA did

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clear 65 and older and those immunocompromised to get a third dose and then we're watching

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to see if recommendations are made in further months for more of the population to get a booster

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dose. And we are concerned that the temperatures go down. People tend to congregate inside

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and being in larger groups. So we are watching our cases and hoping that we can get more people

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vaccinated to help reduce the spread that may come with more people being closer together.

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Let's say I just want to share a few updates on how we're working to make some

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which helped district a more sustainable organization.

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This is a snapshot of our adopted budget from 2021 compared to the amended budget.

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The biggest shift is because of the COVID planning that we've had coming in over the year.

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We are currently projecting roughly a $7.7 million surplus for 2021,

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but it is expected that money will be held in reserve for COVID response into 2022 and beyond.

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Our COVID funding is the biggest unknown for us at this moment. We are not currently allocated

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any of the ARPA funding. And most of our COVID funding has very specific scopes of work,

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such as for case investigation, contact tracing, testing, and vaccine efforts.

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And all of those are being funded through the Department of Health and through the CDC.

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Excitingly another piece of funding that's starting to become a little bit more clear as the

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foundational public health service is funding. We are extremely grateful to the state legislature

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for the significant and ongoing investments into public health. They appropriated money through

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the general fund that will continue to increase each year through fiscal year 2025.

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This has been a multi-step process with the Department of Health in the Washington State Association

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of local and public health officials to agree on the allocation model for this spending.

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We are expecting to see our contract from the Department of Health soon.

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We are looking to get approximately $3 million to put towards our communicable disease programs, assessment, which is our epidemiology program, is environmental health and then some of our cross-cutting capabilities.

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Funding for maternal and child health, chronic disease and injury prevention is allocated to start coming in fiscal year 2024. So we're really excited to have money dedicated to those programs also.

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And then we're also pursuing other funding streams like federal grants and per capita funding.

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We really appreciate Edmund's continued support to the two public health three or per capita contributions.

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We use that money to buy Narcan for your law enforcement officers and first responders to assist you with collecting data from your community and doing special reports.

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and working on healthy community program and policy support and other initiatives that the city of Edmunds has.

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I want to just give you a brief update on the sound foundation for public health.

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A nine person board is in place and they have their logo and they are an official nonprofit corporation in the state of Washington.

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The board is currently working on developing both a strategic plan and a fundraising plan for the foundation

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and they will be submitting paperwork for 501-C3 status soon and it's anticipated that they'll get that designation in 2022.

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So we're really excited about this new foundation.

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So in closing I just want to share with you a few ways you can get involved with the health district.

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We have a number of resources on our website including social media messaging you can share.

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If you're a social media outlet or posters that you can print out, news, letters, and updates

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that are free,

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you can also participate in our BackSept Snowco video series.

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We've had a lot of great people come on board and talk about why they decided to get vaccinated.

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So that's been a nice way to interact with the community.

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And I want to thank you for allowing us time on your agenda.

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I know you guys often have a busy schedule.

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I really thank you for the time.

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Thank you.

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Any questions for the health district?

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Councillor Christian and Johnson, then Councillor Freda and Allison and Councillor President.

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And Councillor Buchnus.

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Thank you for your presentation.

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Our mayor recently formed a homelessness task force.

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And I was wondering if the health department has,

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if you track any information about homelessness and if you have any correlation data to COVID-19 or your drug tracking and overdoses.

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Specifically with homeless individuals. Correct.

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Yes, we do rely a bit on the point in time survey that's done every year that goes out and they kind of survey.

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people in the communities. And I can follow up with our epidemiologists on what data we might

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specifically have around homelessness and COVID and some of the overdoses and get that right

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back to you. Okay, thank you. I'm not on the task force but we have several council members that are.

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I'm sure they'd appreciate that.

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That's my feeling. Thank you Mr. Mayor and thank you to our rock star

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I'm looking forward to working through this strategic plan and the fundraising plan for the foundation, which is a volunteer board of folks that has came in to try and figure out a way to provide funding for public health.

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I would hope that the city eventually here would go back to having a fund where we can look at things like overdose prevention.

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Our fund was reduced in light of other sorts of projects here in the last couple of years.

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And COVID kind of put a screeching stop to a lot of the work we were doing around overdose prevention.

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But hopefully we can start building that fun back up again to start looking at ways of teaching seniors and children and lots of people how to manage drugs and itself in bringing them into your houses and then thanks for the overview of the current budget it looks like I'm sure the budget committee again, and I wasn't aware that we had such a nice reserve there, but you are right Katie.

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that is really to be used in the following years for COVID.

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And we hired Katie, was it 150 staff this year?

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Yeah. 150 staff to track COVID.

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And that's quite a huge amount of money.

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They were all, you know, I believe, temporary

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or the majority of them were, but we needed that level

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of staffing to, to continue with COVID.

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So again, thanks, Katie, and we shall see you soon.

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Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Ms. Curtis, for your presentation. It was very

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interesting. There's been a lot of changes in public health over the last year and a half,

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and I'm sure it's a rapidly moving target. I had noticed last spring or whenever it was that

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that the public foundation was put into place. Now, what is the funding need that the foundation

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is going to be trying to meet for the public health district.

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So the foundation, since it is a nonprofit,

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and hopefully we'll become a 501C3,

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they'll be able to apply for grants that the health district

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isn't eligible for as a governmental organization.

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So hopefully they'll be able to help fund some of the projects

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that we really would like to work on

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and that our community would like to see us work on,

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but we just aren't eligible for that for those funding streams.

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Okay, great. Well, good luck with all that and keep this posted because this is, you know, you're a huge part of our community.

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More and more and more and more, so thank you so much for all your work.

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That's our voices.

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Thank you, Ms. Curtis, for your presentation.

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I too am interested in the sound foundation for Public Health.

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Is it strictly in Snohelmish County?

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Or is it going to be more like Pugest Sound Partnership where you have all groups involved?

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Now, it should just be for the home-ish county.

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So home-ish county.

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And then, so you're going to try and get

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fill in for off of dollars to help do different programs.

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Correct.

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Are you going to go out to maybe large donors?

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Or you haven't really gotten to that purpose?

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Or that mission statements yet?

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I don't know if they've gotten that far yet.

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I would expect they'll be looking at all avenues of funding

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that may be available to them.

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Okay. Great. I think this will be great. I will look forward to seeing what your business

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plan and your mission statement is because, you know, pizza sound partnership, which is obviously

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the environment. They also are looking into using a foundation to get philanthropic dollars

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because you just don't have any money anymore. I mean, you have money coming in from the state,

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the federal, but you don't have money that you can easily obtain from the millionaires and billionaires

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live in the community. So that's one reason to have that foundation funded. So great. Thank you very much.

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Other questions? Thank you very much, Keith.

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Thank you so much.

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Excitemally, Janet, is approval of the agenda.

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Is there a motion to approve?

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Motion to approve.

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Is there a second move in second in discussion?

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All those in favor, show of hands?

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All those opposed?

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Motion passes.

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Next, I think Janet is audience comments, and I should probably preface it that we do

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also have a public hearing tonight.

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So if you hear for that, that will be coming right after.

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So we're right after our approval in the Senate, so if you hear for the stormwater management

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could have public hearing, this is not the comments section for that.

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This is anything but the public hearing on stormwater management.

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So, in the other topic, this is the time for audience comments.

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You'll have three minutes.

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You'll get a three second warning from our city clerk Scott Passy, and then a final warning

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at the three minute mark.

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You press star nine on your, I'm sorry, you use your, raise your virtual hand, excuse me,

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if you're on a computer tablet, smart phone, but if you're on a landline, you press star

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nine.

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So, we'll go check them on to see who we have.

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first person I see is Linda S.

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I'm Linda Furking, Stad.

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In 10 days, Governor Inslee is imposing a plastic bag, plastic straw, plastic coffee stir

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ban in Washington State.

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It requires more trees to be cut for paper bags, paper straws and wood stirs,

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amongst other things.

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Ironically, this council is voted in a tree ordinance to save trees in Washington State.

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A state that is the second largest timber and exporter of the United States.

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Everyone who lives or works in Edmunds has reached the benefits of property division,

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tree removal, and building without it, facing a 100% tree tax.

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Your tree ordinance requires Edmunds landowners and soon homeowners to pay for

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arborist assessment and pay fee equal to the worth of their trees from 3312,000

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each treat before removal. There is no equity or equality in the Edmund Street Code.

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Trees belong to the owners of the property they are growing on, not the city. This ordinance

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allows the city to possess all Edmund's trees above 24 inch, DBH, and property owners are required

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to buy them back from the city, purchasing them twice before they're allowed to trim or remove their

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This is an obvious, unconstitutional taking of private property which was advised against by the Washington State Attorney General in number 5 on today's agenda packet page 213 regarding the capital facilities plan.

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It applies here too. You are breaking the law to accomplish an agenda you feel is more important than our constitutional rights.

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It is obviously illegal and you are imposing it.

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You are punishing those working to fulfill the single family housing needs of our community

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and greatly raising costs to build new homes in Edmunds that is zone for high density.

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As council members, you swore to uphold the constitution when installed in the office.

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You are moved to punish property and homeowners who need to remove a treat, especially

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while they are adhering to the strict guidelines of Edmonds as noted in your 283 pages

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of just stormwater rules, defies your sworn oath, violates the U.S. Constitution, the Washington

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Growth Management Act, and Edmonds' own comprehensive plan. You voted to place undue hardship

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on Edmonds' land and homeowners. The city of Edmonds has delayed our building plans by years

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and increased our building costs by more than $100,000, by lading the Growth Management Act.

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We're here in Nelson and each council member here live in homes for which trees were removed

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in order for your homes to be built and views of the sound and mountains to be seen.

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Are you willing to pay a 100% tree tax for the trees that were removed from your properties?

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If not, your tree code is illegally and discriminately targeting and punishing a group of people

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who are legally allowed to build phones on the property they own, which is also zoned single

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family zoned.

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Thank you for listening and please revise your tree ordinance to avoid undue hardship

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on Edmund's citizens.

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Next, we have the showroom.

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Hi there, am I on?

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Yes.

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Okay, very good.

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All right.

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First and foremost, keep our single family zoning intact.

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We have already met the density requirements for Edmunds for the Growth Management Act.

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We've already gone from 44,000 to 52,000 people,

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add in another 3,300 units on Aurora and we will exceed 60,000.

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Crime has gone up and will continue to do so as our population grows.

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We must keep this under control.

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A homeless task force was created without public involvement or

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initiation by the council.

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Bias is going to be created and it appears that those

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include as a far police, public defender,

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office social worker and the City Attorney, it's a sign you're expecting Edmunds to be headed

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for some hard times. That troubles me. Revisiting a code for use of public spaces I believe

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is code for allowing others to eventually take over our public spaces and I know most tax

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paying constituents will be very angry over this. It would be a violation of Washington State

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to allow illegal loitering. Mr. Mayor, your executive powers include enforcing laws, codes,

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ordinances, and handling our budget. Continuous overreach will not serve you or the constituents

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of this community if allowed to continue. And Council, it's your job to enforce what I'm saying here.

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Citizens should be represented on the task course.

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Agencies, agencies should be added to help self-reliance. This is important. Edmund's community college offers worker retraining programs, consider investing in people for programs that will get the work on their feet.

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If we don't provide a way of reentry into the workforce, you're creating a dependency for federal dollars. In which case we will ask our government here to stop accepting federal monies.

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Please establish bare minimum criteria that housing will be provided to those that are drug and alcohol free to

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do otherwise puts the community at risk of crime by those seeking to steal and get money for drugs.

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That showed up on men, by the way, your actions matter on this and we will be watching.

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It is imperative as our representatives that you develop a process for filing formal complaints when the code of conduct

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and or the code of ethics violations occur to have a code of conduct but no way to enforce it is useless.

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That code is there to help you understand appropriate behavior for your conduct and to help guide your actions.

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A complete process must be initiated now and it reflects poorly on you that you have not done so already.

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Please take care of this. This is embarrassing.

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officials committing code of conduct violations can be dealt with to remedy almost any situation.

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No sanctions from you to other members, you are setting that member up to fail.

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Not getting poor decision making under control will not stand with us.

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We are beyond not okay with any of you drinking prior to or during a council meeting, while you are voting on our laws.

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Any disrespect shown to citizens is not okay and needs to be dealt with.

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When you do it, expect to be called on it.

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I was a Paul.

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Please, could you include your marks?

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next we have Susan H.

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Good.

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May I mute?

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Can you mute?

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I know.

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I can hear you.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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Susan Hues, I'm 40-year-old resident of Edmunds.

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I'm concerned about the council member.

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Adriana Failing Manise has gone from trying to justify drinking on the job.

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to bowling, concerns, citizens, and making false statements.

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I spoke about holding council members accountable for their action that the September 7th

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Council meeting.

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Monize stated in her comments at the end of the meeting that I and Carolyn Strong, who also

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commented about Monize drinking on the job Carter drunk, and what we said was hate speech.

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She also turned off her camera while I was speaking, and flipped the loser sign at Carolyn Strong

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who spoke.

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All of this can be seen, heard, and read on the council minutes.

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Evidently, Council Member Monius has taken a page out of Mayor Nelson's playbook.

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Gaslight, I'm true inflammatory statements, vindictive and bowling.

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Every citizen should watch a read the comments made by citizens at the July 27th

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meeting.

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These are heartfelt comments from concerned citizens on issues affecting the city of Edmunds.

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But the mayor turned on the citizens.

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This isn't needs to listen to the mayor's false statements at the end of the August 3rd

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meeting.

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He was bowling, gaslighting and creating a false narrative as to what the citizen had said

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at the July 27 meeting.

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Citizens have verifiable evidence to the false statements outright lies of the mayor.

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The silence for city council members to hold the mayor accountable for the false statements

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shows that the citizens that they approve of the mayor's lies.

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So now the mayor has said and done nothing concerning a council member drink on the

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job.

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Just two in the Edmund City government is allowed to drink on the job.

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Evidently the mayor feels everyone is.

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Wife and City Council upholding the code of conduct.

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It states, personal, insulting, or intimidating language, body language, and actions are not allowed,

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and states, no signs are partially prejudiced or disrespect should be evident on the part of

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council members toward any individual participating in a public meeting.

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City Council adopted a code of conduct they don't follow.

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I've lived in Edmonton for 40 years and just started paying attention to the city government, and

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I'm appalled.

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It is frightening that we have a mayor and a council member attacking concerned citizens,

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and attitude of they can do no wrong and are above-reported.

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Does not best serve the citizens.

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They have taken an oath to represent.

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Time to raise a level of professionalism in our city government.

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It is an honor to be elected to City Council.

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And on number of a second, we need to let people that respect that position.

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That's it.

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Next we have Natalie Sains.

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Are you able to hear me?

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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I'm commenting right about trees and equity.

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as these topics touched several of the council agenda items tonight, and I understand what's

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speaking up the hearing. Tonight, the city is conducting a hearing on the Stormwater Code,

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given the process by which draft code amendments are reviewed by ecology, it is too late to make

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major adjustments at this point. I want to use this opportunity to point out that this is one code

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where the city can make real progress at favors retention and planting of trees. trees are already

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recognizes a low impact development, best management practice, 5.1-16, or 5.16 in the western

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Washington stormwater manual.

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This city could take further steps to prioritize the use of this BMP in its code and seek

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to require drainage easements for trees as a stormwater BMP.

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Drainage easements can provide a long-term durable space for trees in the urban environment

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and comes with a built-in enforcement mechanism through the Clean Water Act.

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It would be significantly easier to enforce than a tree maintenance regulation.

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City planners can look at the City of Philadelphia for an example of trees used as drainage infrastructure.

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I hope the city will put the preliminary planning work in necessary to have this be a component of the city's code.

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When the next municipal permit update and corresponding code revision happens in five years.

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With regard to equity, 1.6 million for part construction and other 4.44 facilities maintenance,

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likely including renovation of Francis Anderson for the benefit of downtown.

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I will continue to be critical of the selection and planning process that went into civic

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center.

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The 2016 closed plan both identifying that the downtown was well-resourced in comparison

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to the rest of the city and designed that this $15 million investment in civic center was

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the right action.

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A neighborhood park with no parking for the Quote Greater Edmunds community and the 2016 closed

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plan process with a vast majority of public events were held downtown, similarly to the

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master plan for civic center.

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These were selected rather than robust training processes, is it any wonder that this is the outcome?

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While the toxic taste of admins and hanging flower baskets boosts downtown businesses,

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where is the investment in the international district in SR-994 that drive the commercial sales taxes for the city?

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Why hasn't the city help create spaces near the international district so that events can be held there?

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Why isn't the Inter-Eurvent Trail a recognized recreational bicycle resource with no dedicated lane from the intersection with SR-104?

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identified in the citywide bicycle improvement project. How many of the grants from the Edmund's

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rescue plan went to businesses and nonprofit organizations outside the bowl, not many, not enough.

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The city has spoken a specific center as a generational and the legacy investment. While many of the

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funding decisions I just mentioned were not initiated by this council and I do understand it is hard to

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change course. The current council is responsible for the decision this makes today and upholding the

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Civics Center will be remembered as a generational legacy, perhaps not the one you intended.

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Thank you for your time and consideration on these comments, and thank you for your service.

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Thanks for your time and consideration on these comments, and thank you for your service.

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Good evening, Mayor, and council members.

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I am speaking to you once again from outside City Hall, along with others of your constituents.

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I am requesting that council vote to be turned to in-person meetings on September 28th, as citizens,

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We have a right to take in the meetings and the fact that we have been shut out of in-person

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opportunities to speak with our electives is unacceptable.

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As adults who can choose to be here or to take part on Zoom, our health choices are our

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choices.

445
00:37:58,340 --> 00:38:04,300
The fact that council member, Disilhorses, ridiculed adults who may or may not have taken the

446
00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:09,540
vaccine was out of line and not pertinent to the fact that you refuse to have council meetings

447
00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:10,280
in person.

448
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:15,840
He is calling some first responders, teachers, medical personnel, and other adults who have

449
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,880
decided that the vaccine may not be the best for their help, not responsible adults

450
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,360
outrageous and out of touch.

451
00:38:24,740 --> 00:38:28,160
Who does he think he is to speak to constituents like that?

452
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,820
It must be easy to speak to outlandishly when hiding behind a computer camera.

453
00:38:33,820 --> 00:38:41,640
Adrian Prawley Manellis spoke to the council by spoke for the council by signing a letter

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as such in the response to my letter to the editor in my Edmunds News last week.

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In it, she falsely likened constituents speaking their heartfelt concerns to the council

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00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:54,960
as an insurrection out of touch.

457
00:38:55,700 --> 00:39:01,340
She then went on to double down on the mayor's insiduating that on July 27, the citizens

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00:39:01,340 --> 00:39:06,180
at the council meeting whose median age was well over 50, we're having some kind of

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00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:11,760
kegger in the parking lot. This from the council member co-authentate drinking while voting

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00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,820
on city issues and never apologizing to the people for breaching the city's code of

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00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:25,560
conduct out of touch. I asked the council to censure this council member for drinking on the

462
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,780
job, slandering the citizens of Edmunds and for image surely flashing a loser signet made

463
00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:32,960
during my public comments two weeks ago.

464
00:39:33,340 --> 00:39:35,240
Are we in grade school really?

465
00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:37,620
Grow up and take your job seriously.

466
00:39:38,260 --> 00:39:39,920
Until the council puts some teeth

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00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,560
behind breaching a code of conduct

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00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,580
and enforces it, nobody can take this council seriously.

469
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,800
Will it take a lawsuit from my slander citizen

470
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,440
to make you wake up?

471
00:39:49,580 --> 00:39:51,380
We may soon find out.

472
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,100
These outrageous behaviors mentioned above

473
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:57,180
come about because you are out of touch with citizens.

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00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:00,160
Not seeing your constituents face to face

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as giving you a look, and is completely out of touch with reality.

476
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,700
Edmund craze and deserves accountability and dignity in our local government.

477
00:40:10,060 --> 00:40:11,580
Sadly, we have none.

478
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:17,040
Do your job and serve the people of Edmunds rather than continually disrespecting them.

479
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:17,980
Thank you.

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00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,140
Next, we have Nora Carlson.

481
00:40:32,690 --> 00:40:33,410
Good evening.

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00:40:35,110 --> 00:40:40,090
As I said, my name is Nora Carlson, and I live in the Westgate neighborhood of Edmunds.

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00:40:40,090 --> 00:40:58,090
I'm speaking to you tonight once again to go on record as a resident urging you to assist all of the neighbors along with the staff of Westgate Elementary School, who have ongoing concerns about the safety issues with the dangerous intersection of 96 and 224th.

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00:40:58,090 --> 00:41:04,910
You should have received a message from me yesterday, but the summary of the issues and actions

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00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:11,510
taken thus far to address the safety concerns of this intersection that is well known for its

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challenges. If you have not yet read the summary, I certainly hope you will do so soon.

487
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:22,590
For the sake of time, here are highlights of the continued safety concerns.

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Vehicles frequently exceeding the speed limit along to 24th in both directions. Vehicles

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00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:38,170
using 224th to bypass 220th and Edmund's way to access 9th with fewer stops. Vehicles

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00:41:38,170 --> 00:41:44,790
preceding through the stop signs on 96th in both directions, causing near misses with other

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00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:52,410
vehicles and pedestrians. Confusion by drivers, whether it is a 2-way or 4-way stop, even

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with the current signage.

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00:41:54,990 --> 00:42:01,590
Visibility challenges for drivers at the north facing stop sign at 96 with current signage

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00:42:01,590 --> 00:42:03,750
location and pavement markings.

495
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:11,110
On behalf of our neighbors, along with the staff, parents, and students at Westgate Elementary

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School, I request that the intersection become a priority for needed changes to ensure the safety

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pedestrians and drivers who use this intersection so near Westgate Elementary School.

498
00:42:26,010 --> 00:42:32,130
It is truly a matter of time before there could be a serious accident where 96 and

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00:42:32,970 --> 00:42:40,490
224th intersect that could potentially injure or kill an adult or child. I certainly do not

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want to live with that, which is what motivates me to continue working toward improving the safety

501
00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:54,230
of this location. We urgently need your help to effectively address changes to this intersection.

502
00:42:55,030 --> 00:43:00,650
I greatly appreciate your time, attention, and support. Thank you.

503
00:43:03,630 --> 00:43:08,490
Next we have is a phone number of 407. Is there any code?

504
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:15,670
And the last four are eight four six five. Do you just stay your name for the record?

505
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:20,070
Yes.

506
00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:21,570
You hear me.

507
00:43:23,090 --> 00:43:24,230
My name is Adam Becher.

508
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:34,780
I would like to comment on the design of 100 and Edmund's way.

509
00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:40,780
I both drive and bike is this intersection and it's pretty messy for both modes to

510
00:43:40,780 --> 00:43:41,720
right now to be honest.

511
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,340
There's been some discussion whether to share as your bike lanes and I'm glad we're looking

512
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,520
premiums, but as somebody could both drive and buy to this intersection, I support bike lanes.

513
00:43:52,820 --> 00:43:57,680
They're pretty much the bare minimum need to help get sort of this kind of investment intersection.

514
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:04,380
It's pretty risky right now, and with shares, I don't think it's going to get a whole lot better,

515
00:44:04,460 --> 00:44:08,640
because they don't really get clear direction. They're like the thoughts and prayers of bike infrastructure,

516
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,760
and can actually make things more dangerous and confusing by giving it false sincerity.

517
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,460
I've had close call to both in cars and bikes and definitely would appreciate that clarity.

518
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,280
I know there are some concerns about this option not being optimized to make cars so

519
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,860
the staff is possible to keep travel kind of which is sort of in narrow period of the day.

520
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,040
A slightly less efficient intersection for car speeding isn't really the only factor.

521
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,360
Since Edmunds, I feel like it was once you pound and not just like the sewer system.

522
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:43,980
I think people of all ages care getting around in this neighborhood and I feel like the decisions

523
00:44:43,980 --> 00:44:47,880
making more dangerous street as this intersection would make it more hostile and could

524
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,680
result, you know, in some pretty bad outcomes that had friends get the hit at the center

525
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:56,340
side of the intersection, somebody is taken good dye. That's not a decision you want to make,

526
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,820
because it's not worth making the neighborhood more hostile.

527
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,180
This is not a high-speed sewer for Congress.

528
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:08,880
So please do the bike lanes, they're nice and clear.

529
00:45:11,180 --> 00:45:12,600
There's some like there's a minimal

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00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:20,040
it to traffic and I think we'll ultimately make it safer and as a motorist and a cyclist, I would appreciate this.

531
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:27,820
Thanks for your time and thanks for listening and thanks for adjusting this intersection. I'm looking forward to seeing what comes up.

532
00:45:30,670 --> 00:45:32,390
Next, we have Michelle Dodge.

533
00:45:41,970 --> 00:45:45,070
Alright, thank you. Good evening, Mayor, Council President and other council members.

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00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:47,650
My name is Michelle Dodge, Edmund Resident.

535
00:45:47,890 --> 00:45:53,130
The comment is regarding the bicycle lane configuration and pedestrian safety discussion on your agenda for tonight.

536
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,280
Since I used this route to drive to and from work for over 20 years, I was extremely concerned

537
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,500
about Westgate and the potential loss of the dual through vehicle lanes in each direction.

538
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:08,780
They easily allow vehicles to both get through the area to travel to a further destination

539
00:46:08,780 --> 00:46:17,880
as well as those vehicles who slow down and turn in and out to do business at so many businesses located in this tight commercial access for cars right now.

540
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,340
It must be one of our most heavily traveled intersections with tight business corridors outside of Highway 99.

541
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:25,900
It even crosses a state highway.

542
00:46:26,860 --> 00:46:33,400
In the package of night, there is yet another attempt to remove a vehicle driving lane from each direction on 100 through the Westgate corridor.

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00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:40,060
If you listen to the public at these previous meetings, the hundreds of emails you receive from the residents who live by and travel these routes,

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00:46:40,580 --> 00:46:46,080
there was no clamor by almost anyone to remove drive lanes at Westgate and exchange for dedicated bike lanes.

545
00:46:46,660 --> 00:46:51,200
If anything, the overwhelming majority expressed the same concern of losing vehicle lanes at Westgate.

546
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,440
Vehicle trips are now closer to pre-COVID numbers with schools back in person.

547
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,560
Literally, those few bicyclists who travel through there could now be directed to go toward

548
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,020
the middle of that intersection with cars turning every which way, and it is just not going

549
00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:10,280
to be safe for anyone, especially bicyclists competing for even tighter lane spaces with cars.

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00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:15,360
Having the bicyclists take a single minute to dismount and walk their bicycles across a very

551
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,800
well-marked crosswalk, along with the pedestrians, would be the best and safest option.

552
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:24,500
Please keep the original plan of bicycles using the sidewalk and crosswalk there and do not

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00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:28,440
remove two of the four lanes of vehicle travel north and south through Westgate and the

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00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,280
supporting businesses. Even director Williams agreed this was the best option at the

555
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,500
last presentation. Why revisit this again? The seems like pushing for a square peg to fit

556
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:43,240
into a round hole. As for the proposed bullbats, please use the flashing beacons and crosswalks

557
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:48,140
only. The bullbats as the four people living on Dayton Street can tell you are the reason

558
00:47:48,140 --> 00:47:52,680
the ridiculous ghost island had to be put in at 8th and Dayton. The consequence of a two and

559
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:58,660
have time-sized corner sidewalk pushes the buses, trucks, cars, and even bicycles into the center

560
00:47:58,660 --> 00:48:03,900
of the road, making the old-wide turning radius with the more effective small roundabout

561
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:05,620
in that intersection no longer possible.

562
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,680
Drive on 84th from 220th to 5 corners, and you will immediately see more problems from these

563
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:11,200
bullbats.

564
00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:13,100
There have been orange cones.

565
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:19,480
There have been orange cones for two years now on the 84th bullbats, because it is literally

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00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:20,520
in the road.

567
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,180
No one can see it or expect it to be there.

568
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,180
It is redundant and is creating other unintended consequences.

569
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,360
Please take the proposed two and a half times side sidewalks and put that extra cement

570
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,500
to better use for normal sidewalks and admins that citizens are begging you for safety.

571
00:48:35,020 --> 00:48:36,560
There are so many needed right now to choose from.

572
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:37,500
Take your pick.

573
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:41,860
Or use the extra money for the intersection that the previous commentator,

574
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:43,060
commentator, commentator, spoke of.

575
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,340
Thank you for your time and consideration of my comments.

576
00:48:47,860 --> 00:48:51,260
Okay, look at your seat. There's any more hands raised.

577
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,780
Okay, not seeing any next move to approval of the consent agenda.

578
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,300
Is there a motion to approve?

579
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:07,660
Motion to approve consent agenda.

580
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,900
Is there a second move in seconded discussion?

581
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,460
All is the favorite show of hands?

582
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:18,480
What's the post? Motion passes.

583
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,700
Next we have the public hearing for Stormwater Management Code,

584
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:27,840
ECDC 18.30 there

585
00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:42,130
are stormwater people, Mr. Williams, Mr. Richardson,

586
00:49:48,850 --> 00:49:50,810
I believe Rob and also

587
00:49:50,810 --> 00:49:57,170
our consultant are also waiting to join the Cascadia staff.

588
00:49:58,530 --> 00:50:02,390
I'm going to have to be the bike step. That's the bike step, I'm not sure.

589
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,770
Yeah, it's not that's good then. Yeah, good evening.

590
00:50:12,290 --> 00:50:16,370
So, shall I go ahead with the presentation piece and we'll do the comments after that?

591
00:50:16,550 --> 00:50:21,210
Yeah, I guess I would just start out by saying you've heard this before.

592
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:25,990
I think that presentation went well as a short while ago, and we're going to repeat that.

593
00:50:26,090 --> 00:50:31,550
And then obviously take comments at the public hearing and you happy to answer your questions after that,

594
00:50:31,890 --> 00:50:34,610
or even during this presentation if you'd like.

595
00:50:38,420 --> 00:50:40,120
So I had Jack.

596
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:42,600
Okay.

597
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:50,480
So I should be said, like you'll said, this is pretty much the same presentation that I gave last time we discussed this topic.

598
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:58,640
I did tweak the presentation just slightly since your packet version just includes some like cost information to address some questions we got last time.

599
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:04,060
So just a couple minor differences as we go through this, but it's just one section.

600
00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:12,020
So the first starting point is why is it we are doing this obviously it's required for

601
00:51:12,020 --> 00:51:17,640
our NPDS permit with the state the state issues their new manual and then we follow suit so

602
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:24,520
their new manual their 2019 manual has been issued and so we are required to comply by July of 2022

603
00:51:25,220 --> 00:51:33,120
right now we're on track for January 1st 2022 that just being for simplicity and applying it to new

604
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:40,360
It's cleaner to have the beginning of the years, the start date, and then the changes inside the

605
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,900
ecology manual are summarized in your packet and that document is called the crosswalk.

606
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:46,700
That's an ecology document.

607
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:52,820
It just sums up the changes that they've made within their document that we are now adopting.

608
00:51:55,610 --> 00:51:58,470
So quick run down of the drainage review process.

609
00:51:58,470 --> 00:52:03,390
string and review is really required when we start doing new development or read development.

610
00:52:04,250 --> 00:52:09,130
When there's new or replaced hard surfaces, that's the main threshold we use for determining

611
00:52:09,130 --> 00:52:14,590
when drainage reviews are required. There are some larger thresholds for just land clearing

612
00:52:14,590 --> 00:52:20,050
activities too, but generally it's the impervious thresholds that are going to trigger the drainage review.

613
00:52:20,530 --> 00:52:25,470
So smaller projects, we call them category one projects. They are projects that are between

614
00:52:26,650 --> 00:52:30,370
in square feet and 5,000 square feet of new in replace hard surfaces.

615
00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:32,310
Sorry, I want to back up, right?

616
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:36,330
Hard surfaces is kind of a new return ecology event.

617
00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:41,130
It's just meant to be more of a catch-all than the term impervious surface,

618
00:52:41,310 --> 00:52:45,050
because we have things like purvious pavements and gravel roads.

619
00:52:45,830 --> 00:52:52,130
So anything that slows down the infiltration of natural water into the ground is considered a hard surface.

620
00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:57,930
So that includes any vehicle road surface, whether it's gravel, dirt, paved, or not.

621
00:52:58,590 --> 00:53:01,950
So it's not just pavement, it's just a slightly more robust term.

622
00:53:02,070 --> 00:53:07,050
And then the term replace includes anything where in the process of reconstruction,

623
00:53:07,390 --> 00:53:10,630
you're going to remove the pavement and expose the subgrade underneath.

624
00:53:11,970 --> 00:53:13,950
So, you know, ripping out the whole driveway and replacing it,

625
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:16,530
that's going to trigger drainage review as replaced in previous.

626
00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:20,850
But a grind in overlay where you leave some of the asphalt in place,

627
00:53:20,850 --> 00:53:22,990
that may not trigger the drainage review.

628
00:53:24,430 --> 00:53:28,890
So, sorry, then going ahead, where are smaller projects are 2,000 to 5,000 square feet?

629
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:35,270
And those trigger what we call minimum requirements 1 through 5, minimum requirement 5 is probably

630
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:36,310
the really important one.

631
00:53:36,310 --> 00:53:37,550
That's our LED requirement.

632
00:53:37,790 --> 00:53:43,910
And this is how we get most of our stormwater mitigation amendments, most of the projects

633
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:49,670
fall into this smaller size and it's the LED requirement, which you see is aimed at actually

634
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:54,450
low flow events. So this is looking at those events that we know have the potential to cause a

635
00:53:54,450 --> 00:53:57,010
erosion and those are the ones we're looking to reduce.

636
00:53:57,990 --> 00:54:03,010
Category 2 are the larger projects. This is when projects start to get over 5,000 square

637
00:54:03,010 --> 00:54:10,110
feet of impervious. Some of the larger single-family homes do trigger that, but very rarely do.

638
00:54:10,330 --> 00:54:14,570
We have projects single-family projects that trigger the full flow control requirement.

639
00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:22,950
So over 5,000, the requirements you have to comply with go from 1 through 5 to 1 through 9,

640
00:54:23,610 --> 00:54:27,690
these add in to pretty big requirements, 1 being the flow control, which has been a

641
00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:28,530
moment apart with 7.

642
00:54:29,250 --> 00:54:33,890
So for anything over 10,000 square feet, this is where you're matching the entire duration

643
00:54:33,890 --> 00:54:35,110
of a store.

644
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:41,590
We run a model for fully-forced conditions and we compare the current model and we match it

645
00:54:41,590 --> 00:54:46,390
that not only are the peaks all matched, but the flow durations are all matched over that course,

646
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:50,610
and we are taking that historic conditions as back to the force to conditions in models.

647
00:54:51,070 --> 00:54:55,890
So we are trying to go all the way back to the beginning when we do that process.

648
00:54:56,510 --> 00:55:01,430
And then what quality is minimum requirements fixed so that anything that has over 5,000 square feet

649
00:55:01,430 --> 00:55:05,530
of pollution generating surfaces is actually required to treat their strong water.

650
00:55:06,350 --> 00:55:11,350
Pollution generating surfaces are generally any surface where a vehicle can drive anywhere

651
00:55:11,350 --> 00:55:18,610
where they can drip oil, it instantly becomes subject of pollution. Usually roofs are not considered

652
00:55:18,610 --> 00:55:23,590
pollution generating, assuming they're properly treated with kind of more modern chemicals

653
00:55:23,590 --> 00:55:31,310
and such. So this is more specific to parking spaces that require treatment. And that design requirement

654
00:55:31,310 --> 00:55:36,110
is for that two-year flow, which is that first flush where we really get most of the gunk off

655
00:55:36,110 --> 00:55:43,790
road in that very first wash-out. So that's the target we use for that. Looking at how

656
00:55:43,790 --> 00:55:50,130
we've done since our last code came in, again, not looking at the large commercial projects

657
00:55:50,130 --> 00:55:54,670
or plat projects, just looking at the single family homes as they got built, whether they're

658
00:55:54,670 --> 00:56:01,210
utilizing their own system or a plat system. So about half of them, 24 of those 52 used

659
00:56:01,210 --> 00:56:04,950
through LED VMPs, the infiltration base,

660
00:56:05,490 --> 00:56:07,430
actually leading to reduced storm water.

661
00:56:08,850 --> 00:56:10,550
We had a handful that did still slip through

662
00:56:10,550 --> 00:56:11,930
with the direct discharge and exemption,

663
00:56:12,170 --> 00:56:14,110
where basically if you're so close to the sound,

664
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:16,750
we don't really care about slowing the water down.

665
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:18,590
We just want you to go ahead and let it get to the sound.

666
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:21,430
And then perverted pipe connections are kind of the

667
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:24,590
bare, bare, last minimum thing we can get out of storm water.

668
00:56:25,290 --> 00:56:28,970
But the thing that's really worth highlighting in this slide to me is

669
00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:32,850
without our Edmund's additions that we've added to the code,

670
00:56:33,330 --> 00:56:35,990
22 of those projects would have gone through without any

671
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:36,750
stormwater mitigation.

672
00:56:37,850 --> 00:56:40,990
So Edmund's addition to add detention tanks

673
00:56:40,990 --> 00:56:43,130
to the LED list is a huge one.

674
00:56:43,330 --> 00:56:46,230
For the way, we actually achieve stormwater mitigation

675
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:47,030
in the city.

676
00:56:52,930 --> 00:56:53,450
Is that all right?

677
00:56:57,110 --> 00:56:57,350
OK.

678
00:56:58,530 --> 00:57:01,570
So this is actually a really simple change

679
00:57:01,570 --> 00:57:04,450
as far as a simple update as far as stormwater code goes.

680
00:57:04,450 --> 00:57:15,250
There's no major new requirements coming down from ecology, no new LED requirement or new change to use that forced ignition, which have really been big shake ups in the past.

681
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:18,190
This one's pretty quiet on that front.

682
00:57:18,970 --> 00:57:24,590
So most of their changes are mostly a reorganization and just kind of clean up stuff.

683
00:57:24,910 --> 00:57:27,370
Most of them are really substantive changes.

684
00:57:28,070 --> 00:57:33,190
But inside your agenda packet, I did provide a spreadsheet where we broken out all the changes.

685
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:40,090
The ones that are highlighted in orange are really the ones that they've already prescribed so we're pretty much our hands are tied on those

686
00:57:41,330 --> 00:57:54,590
The ones in white are ones that we've proposed but they're really just reorganization or clarifications are not such and it changes either and then the handful and green or the ones that actually have potential impacts on development in our opinion.

687
00:57:55,270 --> 00:58:02,090
So those are the ones we'll discuss kind of from here on out, but currently the draft you have in front of you is running through a CPA

688
00:58:02,090 --> 00:58:07,510
Let's see for review and a Department of Commerce review so that we can bring it back.

689
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:16,600
So, the first of the four major changes is how we handle existing surfaces that aren't

690
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,520
already connected to our system.

691
00:58:19,180 --> 00:58:23,940
As I mentioned, the way we do drainage review now is all based on new plus replaced impervious

692
00:58:23,940 --> 00:58:24,400
surfaces.

693
00:58:24,980 --> 00:58:29,980
So, there's kind of this gray area on how everyone handles existing situations that are

694
00:58:29,980 --> 00:58:36,260
potentially be considered a new impact. So our old code didn't allow for some connection

695
00:58:36,260 --> 00:58:43,560
of existing surfaces, but it required some documentation focused mostly on just the capacity

696
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:48,360
of the pipe system. It wasn't really focused on protecting the streams and creeks and downstream

697
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:56,080
waters. So the revision we propose is that if you're going to connect 2,000 square feet or more

698
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:04,920
of existing and appropriate service that didn't drain to our system before, we're going to treat that just like it's brand new to us, even if it's not developed.

699
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:12,440
So that would require going through the whole drain interview and providing mitigation for those existing services before you connect.

700
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:21,940
And to be very clear, this is not for older homes that had a connection that they need to maintain or replace those would totally be permitted.

701
00:59:21,940 --> 00:59:27,600
this is just where we actually think there's a new impact to the system where the water was

702
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,680
most likely infiltrating or dispersing through a natural process somewhere before,

703
00:59:31,940 --> 00:59:35,120
and now it's going to go straight into our pipes system and how do we manage that change?

704
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,820
So, staff opinion is that these should really be treated like new connections because they really are

705
00:59:40,820 --> 00:59:48,020
to impact, and so that's the way we see it. There's a very small handful of projects that I can

706
00:59:48,020 --> 00:59:53,260
think of that would come in like this. Again, this would be for a project that's not doing

707
00:59:53,260 --> 00:59:58,560
development over 2000 square feet. They're not, they don't already have a drainage system

708
00:59:58,560 --> 00:59:59,600
connecting to our system.

709
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:28,000
But somehow they just want to change their whole way of their sight drains. I haven't seen very many of these come in. Just occasionally people want to change their drainage. So in that case, we would implement this change. And this change does have potentially a big impact because it would require a full drainage review. The rest of the changes you'll see, they're just small volume increases over what was already required.

710
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:35,380
And this change would be going from nothing to everything, so this has the biggest potential

711
01:00:35,380 --> 01:00:39,040
cost to a single developer or a single family home.

712
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:44,200
And so you can see I think we cost, unfortunately that slide's partially covered up on my

713
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:49,520
screen, but I think it says 6,000,000,000,000 if I don't quite remember, but there's a price

714
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:50,980
down there and it's a bottom in the text.

715
01:00:54,270 --> 01:00:59,990
Change that word to comes from the fact that we now know there's an overflow to the Edmunds

716
01:00:59,990 --> 01:01:04,630
from Edmund's way of basin. The pipe system that comes down the highway cuts through the marsh,

717
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:10,250
and eventually discharges to the sound. But there is a manhole in between where in high

718
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:15,570
tides the water pops up and ends up draining into the marsh and becoming part of that natural

719
01:01:15,570 --> 01:01:21,590
system. As I mentioned that direct discharge was really meant to be an exemption where there's

720
01:01:21,590 --> 01:01:26,870
no way you're going to impact the natural system. So go ahead and get it out to the sound. So

721
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:32,630
Now that we know this has a potential to impact the natural system, it really shouldn't qualify for direct discharge anymore.

722
01:01:33,250 --> 01:01:36,090
And then we had some other exemptions that were also tied to that qualification.

723
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:41,570
So, the new code is proposing to just remove all of the exemptions for Edmund's way.

724
01:01:42,310 --> 01:01:50,890
And ultimately, this just means that projects within Edmund's way are going to go through the exact same process, the exact same standards as any other project in the city.

725
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:56,030
And I put some estimated cost down there for small projects, it's going to be really minimal.

726
01:01:57,030 --> 01:01:59,710
They're just a handful of extra BMPs they have to consider.

727
01:02:01,130 --> 01:02:05,250
So, and most again, you're talking about a very small change in BMP type or volume.

728
01:02:05,730 --> 01:02:11,670
$500 to $2,000 pretty small to all their figures when you're talking about building a whole home.

729
01:02:12,270 --> 01:02:18,050
And on the larger side where it is going to get larger is on the larger commercial sites where they trigger that flow control requirement,

730
01:02:18,050 --> 01:02:24,370
where we're actually going to match their entire discharge rate to the historic rate and that

731
01:02:24,370 --> 01:02:26,930
because you have to match such a wide range of things.

732
01:02:27,650 --> 01:02:28,850
That is at up to a decent cost.

733
01:02:29,570 --> 01:02:33,130
You know, potentially like $20 or $50,000 to the commercial site.

734
01:02:33,390 --> 01:02:42,200
Again, sites that size, we're talking about large multi-family or multi-unit commercial strip

735
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:47,660
strip all types of things. These are not single family homes that we're seeing.

736
01:02:49,690 --> 01:02:54,870
The third proposed change has to do with Perimbo Creek. We're all pretty aware of what's

737
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:59,270
going on with Perimbo Creek, and it's a basis that it happens for development over the years.

738
01:03:01,390 --> 01:03:06,410
And currently the code is just kind of status quo for Perimbo. So we've proposed two ways to

739
01:03:06,410 --> 01:03:13,330
strengthen our code and apply some more standards within that base into more aggressively

740
01:03:13,330 --> 01:03:18,430
protect that basin and help the recovery. One is in the retrofit requirement which is

741
01:03:18,430 --> 01:03:24,390
their requirement we have for people to treat 25% of their existing unminigated

742
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:28,110
impervious surfaces. So again they've already triggered a view they're doing some sort

743
01:03:28,110 --> 01:03:34,150
of development and we say okay whatever you're leaving you have to treat 25% of that because

744
01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:39,110
it was grandfathered in essentially. And so we're just going to increase within that basin

745
01:03:39,110 --> 01:03:42,370
increase that amount from 25% to 50%.

746
01:03:42,370 --> 01:03:45,990
This would begin impacts small, single-family projects,

747
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:48,090
but it's gonna be really, really minimal

748
01:03:48,090 --> 01:03:51,110
because again, we're talking about 25%

749
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:54,490
of what they're leaving behind on a project

750
01:03:54,490 --> 01:03:56,510
that's already got more than 2000

751
01:03:56,510 --> 01:03:58,830
impervious surface involved in it.

752
01:03:59,290 --> 01:04:01,370
There's like so much they can still be leaving behind

753
01:04:01,370 --> 01:04:03,490
and only 25% that that is the change.

754
01:04:04,290 --> 01:04:06,150
So we're talking just a couple hundred bucks

755
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:12,910
potential change to your average single-family home. The second piece, the flow control piece is

756
01:04:12,910 --> 01:04:18,310
where for this standard, we're going to suggest that they match the 100-year peak in addition to

757
01:04:18,310 --> 01:04:24,590
the flow duration they currently match. This is a pretty common practice in King County. It's just

758
01:04:24,590 --> 01:04:30,930
called the Level 3 standard. It's their standard for protecting impacted waterways. It's not,

759
01:04:31,790 --> 01:04:34,850
It's a pretty industry standard thing to use this.

760
01:04:35,310 --> 01:04:36,650
It's not overly bearing.

761
01:04:37,370 --> 01:04:42,010
By my estimate, again, one of those large commercial development projects,

762
01:04:42,850 --> 01:04:44,530
where you're talking about multiple units,

763
01:04:45,610 --> 01:04:49,530
they could see increases somewhere around the range of 12 to 16,000.

764
01:04:51,630 --> 01:04:56,430
But we do think that's really really critical to helping improve the conditions in parallel

765
01:04:56,430 --> 01:04:58,770
and moving towards recovery there.

766
01:05:02,450 --> 01:05:08,910
Change number four, this is, like I said, we had added detention pipes to the BMP list.

767
01:05:08,910 --> 01:05:11,750
This is how we caught those 22 projects I mentioned earlier.

768
01:05:12,410 --> 01:05:14,510
It was this edition that we had.

769
01:05:14,770 --> 01:05:22,690
However, at the time, we didn't feel confident to put this above the ecology BMP list.

770
01:05:23,030 --> 01:05:25,450
We put it at the very bottom of the way there, less operated.

771
01:05:27,070 --> 01:05:29,770
Since then, we've seen a lot of problems with these perforated pipe connections.

772
01:05:29,770 --> 01:05:34,550
generally they're being clicked in areas where infiltration is not desired for one

773
01:05:34,550 --> 01:05:38,030
reason or another ready so usually they're used in somewhat under desirable

774
01:05:38,030 --> 01:05:43,730
locations where they could be potentially safety concerns and so and besides that

775
01:05:43,730 --> 01:05:47,350
fact they've really provide almost no benefit because we have established we don't

776
01:05:47,350 --> 01:05:52,330
have good infiltration conditions so from a stormwater perspective they're nearly

777
01:05:52,330 --> 01:05:59,750
worthless from mitigation so after running an backup information we're going to

778
01:05:59,750 --> 01:06:04,390
type connections. This would just mean that if a person doesn't get, doesn't have

779
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:08,550
infiltrative capabilities on their site, and they get to the bottom of the list, all

780
01:06:08,550 --> 01:06:11,950
of their surfaces are going to be a detention tank instead of just a little

781
01:06:11,950 --> 01:06:17,590
perforated type connection. Again, the result of this would be that nearly every

782
01:06:17,590 --> 01:06:21,090
project and Edmunds that's over 2,000 square feet will have some form of

783
01:06:21,090 --> 01:06:25,570
detention. It will more essentially guarantee that we can get some mitigation,

784
01:06:25,570 --> 01:06:37,430
usable mitigation out of every project. And then by my estimates, it depends on how big of a project you have, obviously, because you started to pay for building your trench one way or the other.

785
01:06:38,190 --> 01:06:41,610
So, as you get bigger, you get further more and more cost areas.

786
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:49,910
For typical single-family project, best I could estimate it would be somewhere between $500 or $4,000 to add on that one change.

787
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:50,630
So,

788
01:06:53,390 --> 01:06:58,290
next steps, so I mentioned our super reviews underway and our Department of Commerce Reviews underway.

789
01:06:58,690 --> 01:07:05,510
Both of those have a certain time period of our waiting, and I believe it's October 27th that we'll be officially through those.

790
01:07:06,510 --> 01:07:11,290
And then we obviously brought this public hearing now. We're not ready for formal adoption just yet.

791
01:07:11,470 --> 01:07:16,230
The plan is to bring it back in around November. Once we have all those approvals in place,

792
01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:22,150
Obviously, recognizing that November agendas are fairly packed, we wanted to get this hopefully

793
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:28,610
off that plate at least and do it this way. So we will bring it back for a formal approval once we

794
01:07:28,610 --> 01:07:34,470
have all of those approvals from Commerce and our super review. And that is it.

795
01:07:40,750 --> 01:07:44,990
Do you folks want to do a few questions now? I want to go ahead and open up the public hearing.

796
01:07:46,170 --> 01:07:49,230
That's the question's comments on our comments on our questions.

797
01:07:52,430 --> 01:07:54,890
Thank you for that very thoughtful presentation.

798
01:07:56,430 --> 01:08:01,590
You know, I think the largest or the biggest elephant in the room on change number three,

799
01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:07,110
which deals with parent bill, is our neighbor to the east or linwood.

800
01:08:08,550 --> 01:08:13,810
Is there anything that is being done to attempt to do some sort of

801
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:21,750
mitigation or ILA or something with Linwood, because, you know, they're building a lot of

802
01:08:21,750 --> 01:08:26,610
buildings over there. If you look at what's happening to Parenthville Creek and right by

803
01:08:26,610 --> 01:08:30,550
the, I see Phil one stands for my question already, even though I haven't just finished,

804
01:08:31,730 --> 01:08:42,850
but, but, you know, with that pipe and right there by the post office, I mean, there's just,

805
01:08:42,850 --> 01:08:50,170
tremendous amount of sediment that is flowing down to the creek because it's just so much water coming down from

806
01:08:50,170 --> 01:08:54,370
parent or from linguists are winwood, which is across the street.

807
01:08:54,850 --> 01:08:57,930
So how can we address that in this if possible?

808
01:08:59,390 --> 01:09:03,110
We could all chip in any meaningful comments we have.

809
01:09:03,450 --> 01:09:04,850
There was a conversation this afternoon.

810
01:09:05,090 --> 01:09:11,070
We had about, you know, if we get our code adopted and we're well on our way to doing that.

811
01:09:12,730 --> 01:09:21,330
perhaps work through the council to suggest to Linwood that they adopted similar code for

812
01:09:21,330 --> 01:09:28,410
the portions of the Perennial Basin that are in Linwood, that would be at least one meeting

813
01:09:28,410 --> 01:09:29,130
full step.

814
01:09:29,750 --> 01:09:35,290
I had a conversation with your council president today about that and I thought that was a

815
01:09:35,290 --> 01:09:43,210
good idea that she had. So maybe, I don't want to speak for Susan, but pass a resolution at the

816
01:09:43,210 --> 01:09:50,250
right point in time and ask Linwood to participate at least at that level. I think the county is also

817
01:09:50,250 --> 01:09:57,470
a potential partner. Since a great deal, we believe of the sediment that we have to deal with at

818
01:09:57,470 --> 01:10:03,250
the bottom of the hill comes from the county park and having conversations with them too about partnering

819
01:10:03,250 --> 01:10:07,550
with us. There's ultimately, there's an awful lot of work to do on Farmedville Creek to get it

820
01:10:07,550 --> 01:10:14,830
right again, or as right as you can get it at this point and certainly Linwood and Snowwich

821
01:10:14,830 --> 01:10:20,830
County, I think, are legitimate places to look for some assistance. Right now we're kind of involved

822
01:10:20,830 --> 01:10:27,630
in almost, almost still an emergency reaction to what's going on in the very lower parts of Farmedville

823
01:10:27,630 --> 01:10:32,030
Creek, and we're trying to get that off the ground. But I think there's important conversations

824
01:10:32,030 --> 01:10:35,850
just to be had later to put together larger projects?

825
01:10:37,450 --> 01:10:43,150
Good, because I mean, you know, at least in a homeish county is coming to the table at

826
01:10:43,150 --> 01:10:47,610
Riot 8, so we are discussing things like this, but you know, I know Lynn

827
01:10:47,610 --> 01:10:51,890
Wood doesn't believe that they have any impact, but our water shed and they have

828
01:10:51,890 --> 01:10:54,550
a tremendous impact on our waters and I know you know that.

829
01:10:55,130 --> 01:11:02,010
So I just hope that we can do some sort of, get in some sort of

830
01:11:02,010 --> 01:11:04,750
help us with this cost because it's

831
01:11:06,860 --> 01:11:09,120
for sure. So thank you.

832
01:11:09,940 --> 01:11:14,980
I have reached out to my counterpart in Lidwood and my understanding is they have not done this update yet.

833
01:11:15,140 --> 01:11:20,220
So there is opportunity for us to still get in with such a thing.

834
01:11:23,580 --> 01:11:27,040
Councillor Vissiano Johnson is your hand.

835
01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:30,420
I don't know if you still have your hand virtually up or if it's a new one.

836
01:11:31,060 --> 01:11:31,160
Sorry.

837
01:11:33,770 --> 01:11:34,590
You're on mute.

838
01:11:41,860 --> 01:11:45,420
Thank you, Mr. Richardson, for your presentation.

839
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:52,020
And I, too, am concerned about Parentville Creek, the drainage basin and the storm events,

840
01:11:52,480 --> 01:12:00,640
which have caused flooding and saltation. Could you please explain

841
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:07,640
how the proposed changes in this storm water code will affect future development

842
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:13,100
in the parent-ville, drainage space, and both in Edmunds and Lundwood.

843
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:20,340
So, this is just our code, in order to enact anything and then what we would have to cooperate with them,

844
01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:22,520
and get them to implement something in their own code.

845
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:31,520
So, for Edmunds though, the two changes, one is that we will start to take a slightly bigger chunk out of the existing impervious.

846
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,680
That's the idea behind the retrofit change.

847
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:40,600
It actually seeks to go out and mitigate for the stuff that's already impacting the creating.

848
01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:44,800
The second change will be pretty much solely to redevelopment.

849
01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:48,020
It will necessarily go after what's already been done,

850
01:12:48,260 --> 01:12:53,480
but anything that redevelopes or anything new would be matching per or model.

851
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:59,740
They'd be matching the 100-year peak, so their in theory is no flow change to the creek from those projects.

852
01:12:59,740 --> 01:13:05,160
the way that typical flow controls done, we actually top out at 50-year mark.

853
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:11,560
So, there could, in theory, under current code, be a storm where the 100-year peak is still

854
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:13,440
exceeded at the end of their development requirement.

855
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:18,720
So, this change will address that, any new one will actually mess it 100-year peak.

856
01:13:19,060 --> 01:13:24,280
So, we should hopefully start getting that upper end, high flows under control as well.

857
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:39,910
And not the 50 year peak. I'm a little unsure. I believe that our 100 year peaks occur more frequently than before.

858
01:13:40,910 --> 01:13:45,490
So would a more strict requirement be preferred?

859
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:53,630
I don't, to be honest, I don't know within our current data how we would go above the 100-year

860
01:13:53,630 --> 01:13:57,830
storm, the state modeling data that we typically use for this stuff.

861
01:13:58,230 --> 01:14:04,190
It tops out at the 100-year storm, and so I believe at that point we kind of need an hydrology

862
01:14:04,190 --> 01:14:10,890
update from the state to come down, and so eventually that should catch up behind the scenes

863
01:14:10,890 --> 01:14:11,530
in the numbers.

864
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:13,150
We are not there yet, though, admitted.

865
01:14:13,310 --> 01:14:13,630
Okay.

866
01:14:14,590 --> 01:14:14,870
All right.

867
01:14:14,930 --> 01:14:15,850
Thank you.

868
01:14:18,660 --> 01:14:23,740
have some of the more drawn to them and then Council President. Thank you. Mr. Richardson,

869
01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:28,800
thank you for your presentation. I, like my fellow council members, share concerns about

870
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:35,160
parent-ville Creek. I am actually going to concentrate on three things that you said earlier

871
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:43,280
that, um, caught my attention and concerned me just a bit, um, the first one is with regard to the term

872
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:51,180
using the term hard surfaces versus the term, you know, permeable surfaces, which we're

873
01:14:51,180 --> 01:14:56,120
all used to, we know the definition of it. And, you know, it's not well known. You, in fact,

874
01:14:56,260 --> 01:14:59,960
use them interchangeably during the presentation of sort of concern.

875
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:17,360
Members about confusion, you know, widespread confusion with these terms, misunderstandings, or, you know, possible misuse of it, given the, given it as such a new term. And when you say, you know, hard surfaces that does conjure up certain certain

876
01:15:19,700 --> 01:15:31,020
ideas versus, you know, pervious, which we've come to understand what that means. So it have concerns there that we need to do a better job defining that and making sure that it won't be misused.

877
01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:38,800
You mentioned that there were a handful with regard to the 52 recently reviewed SFR applications.

878
01:15:39,260 --> 01:15:42,040
A handful slipped through with direct discharge and exemption.

879
01:15:42,740 --> 01:15:46,620
And basically, for so close to the sound, we don't really care about slowing the water down.

880
01:15:46,700 --> 01:15:49,920
We just want it to go ahead and get it to the sound.

881
01:15:51,660 --> 01:15:53,540
I wanted to know more about that.

882
01:15:53,660 --> 01:16:00,140
Are we actually saying, you know, that roads and houses that are close to the sound

883
01:16:00,140 --> 01:16:08,200
are allowed to pollute, and then finally that the comment about the roofs not usually considered

884
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:12,700
pollution generating, and I'm thinking about, you know, we often put moss killer in different

885
01:16:12,700 --> 01:16:18,580
chemicals on our roofs, and if we're not considering the pollution generating, that could be a problem for us,

886
01:16:18,820 --> 01:16:25,060
and you're the expert, so you know, some more input from you on that, why we're not considering them.

887
01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:25,900
Thank you.

888
01:16:25,900 --> 01:16:44,960
Yeah, so the heart surface is impervious surfaces. Yeah, I am not a stickler for those when we speak when we get to review it's obviously a much more technical separation between those. So they're not they're not terms we defined that they actually were handed down from a college with that last update.

889
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:49,580
So the industry has been using those for about five years at least.

890
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,320
So they're pretty, most people know that they are.

891
01:16:53,340 --> 01:16:57,120
I think the single biggest thing was there's a lot of kind

892
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:01,720
of in-between things like like pervious pavements or turf fields.

893
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:03,060
Is that impervious?

894
01:17:03,340 --> 01:17:07,280
And so they created this catch-all so that they could just grab it

895
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,700
all and there wasn't just a bait over impervious pervious.

896
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,720
That's my understanding of it.

897
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:21,800
We do have the definitions in the the front end of that section though, so that I think it is pretty well spelled out if you actually read the definitions

898
01:17:22,980 --> 01:17:27,750
But yeah, I would welcome I guess more direction there if if you think we still need more

899
01:17:30,180 --> 01:17:34,860
Yeah, and I did not give the second one written a parent bill

900
01:17:34,860 --> 01:17:36,360
The direct discharge

901
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:49,540
There is more to that than just there it has to be in an all pipe system so it means it does not go to a creek or anything like that and then the other thing being

902
01:17:49,540 --> 01:18:05,520
They do have to check the capacity on the pipe system before they can qualify for that. So we know for fact that the pipe system can handle it out to the sound. Now that requirement is a flow control requirement. And so that is a that is a flow volume flow management.

903
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:11,100
management that the speed and velocity with which that water is discharged. The water quality

904
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:16,740
treatment piece is completely independent of that. So if you have direct discharge and you're

905
01:18:16,740 --> 01:18:20,260
over the 5,000 square feet of pollution generating, you still are going to have to do the water

906
01:18:20,260 --> 01:18:25,900
quality treatment piece, just not the flow of constable piece. So hopefully that clarifies that.

907
01:18:27,260 --> 01:18:32,320
The roofs, yeah, the roofs is another thing where we really have to drill down it.

908
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,240
The example you gave was a really good one.

909
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,040
I believe the answer to that is education is our best weapon.

910
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:46,220
To educate people on what to use, what not to use, what is illicit, what is illicit.

911
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:48,320
Most of it is.

912
01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:51,840
It's really difficult to find things that actually can meet people's needs.

913
01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:56,300
But we certainly could do more research into that particular issue.

914
01:18:56,300 --> 01:18:59,900
that we've done that topic with yardcare before,

915
01:19:00,220 --> 01:19:01,580
we haven't done that with Groofcare though.

916
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,520
So that would be an interesting suggestion to consider.

917
01:19:05,540 --> 01:19:07,940
The issue where I usually have it pop up more frequently

918
01:19:07,940 --> 01:19:10,380
is actually on the commercial and the multi-family projects

919
01:19:10,380 --> 01:19:13,820
where they're putting actual mechanical equipment on the roof

920
01:19:13,820 --> 01:19:15,280
or they're using these metals.

921
01:19:15,780 --> 01:19:18,420
So we do have to make sure that they're treating them properly.

922
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,320
So they won't reach the metal material when it rains.

923
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,260
And then also that any mechanical equipment on the roof

924
01:19:24,260 --> 01:19:26,700
have to be self-contained and it's still control.

925
01:19:26,980 --> 01:19:29,600
So if you talk to hydrochloride, it's not going to go out

926
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,780
until it's going to stay within its units.

927
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,700
So there are some more steps to that.

928
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,820
But that's why I say usually there are some follow-up

929
01:19:38,820 --> 01:19:40,240
parts to that.

930
01:19:40,940 --> 01:19:42,460
So did that answer all the questions?

931
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:44,240
That did a pretty good job.

932
01:19:44,420 --> 01:19:44,640
Thank you.

933
01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:49,260
That counts for me also.

934
01:19:51,340 --> 01:19:53,020
So I count to President and Councilor Wilson, madam.

935
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:54,820
Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor.

936
01:19:54,820 --> 01:20:07,820
And thank you for the presentation, this is absolutely a wonderful presentation and I appreciate all the work that you've put into doing this and getting this to us sooner rather than later.

937
01:20:09,420 --> 01:20:18,260
My comment is going to be directed to director Williams, who went ahead and kind of out of one of my ideas and thoughts that I ran past them.

938
01:20:18,260 --> 01:20:24,820
So I just wanted to clarify with Council a little bit, and is that all this in research, and if people

939
01:20:24,820 --> 01:20:31,000
have some interest in working with me, I'd love to hear your thoughts, and maybe generate

940
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:38,140
some ideas to run past all of Council, you know, when we have a pretty good idea about what

941
01:20:38,140 --> 01:20:46,620
we could do, but in a nutshell, it was to see if our neighboring city would adopt a code that

942
01:20:46,620 --> 01:20:53,500
with specific to the parent bill watershed, and similar to ours, so it would be, you know,

943
01:20:53,580 --> 01:20:58,720
like to like for the watershed. But we'll see. But if you do have some interest, please let

944
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:03,160
me know. And thanks again for your presentation, Mr. Richardson.

945
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:05,950
That's right.

946
01:21:07,010 --> 01:21:11,870
Yeah. This was a question that I asked to Director Williams ahead of time, but I think it's

947
01:21:11,870 --> 01:21:17,350
important for the public to get the answer that I was able to receive. And that was regarding

948
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:24,590
the Salmon Safe Certification and the process that we financed in the budget last year that

949
01:21:24,590 --> 01:21:30,670
could very well have a significant impact on the stormwater code, depending on what they find

950
01:21:30,670 --> 01:21:36,690
and what their citations are, and some gestions are, and I just wanted you, Mr. Director Williams,

951
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:42,710
to be able to share with the public what the process would be if there would be impacts to this,

952
01:21:42,770 --> 01:21:45,670
how we would go about bringing the code back again later.

953
01:21:46,890 --> 01:22:07,350
I think what I sent to you and I believe I copied Council was just, is there a reason to move forward with these changes or should we wait to do it all when the salmon safe recommendations are available and I suggested no, I think it's important enough to move forward with these, we should do that.

954
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:17,690
Another question you asked is, you know, how long would it take after we have those recommendations to incorporate them as well as we see fit?

955
01:22:18,690 --> 01:22:23,710
I don't have a really crisp answer to that, but it'd probably be similar to the process we're following here.

956
01:22:23,730 --> 01:22:28,270
If we want to make additional changes in the code, there's a pretty deliberate process of how to do that.

957
01:22:28,610 --> 01:22:31,070
So it would probably look much like these did.

958
01:22:31,070 --> 01:22:46,130
And then, I think you asked a third question, can you remind me what that was, it was on the same topic.

959
01:22:46,430 --> 01:22:49,090
And it was sort of, is it our intent to do that?

960
01:22:49,370 --> 01:22:58,990
Yeah, I mean, if we, we receive the information, will make,

961
01:22:58,990 --> 01:23:03,990
with those in the public to see if we want to make additional changes to the code.

962
01:23:04,930 --> 01:23:07,230
But I can't see waiting to do these.

963
01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:11,550
I think these are important. We should get them down as soon as we can.

964
01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:16,030
Yeah. My understanding is that if those changes are at all substantive,

965
01:23:16,590 --> 01:23:19,010
we basically have to do this whole process all over again in a way.

966
01:23:19,930 --> 01:23:25,410
So there's not a whole lot of benefit in not implementing these improvements to stormwater now.

967
01:23:25,410 --> 01:23:29,670
So, that's what I think goes my negative.

968
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:36,270
So remember, Councillor Boucher's in Councillor Nard?

969
01:23:37,550 --> 01:23:41,790
I just want to do another follow up on just what,

970
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:45,990
because part of that female's strength stream.

971
01:23:46,930 --> 01:23:50,970
If we have time, I think we should maybe have a second public hearing

972
01:23:50,970 --> 01:23:51,970
or maybe a continuation.

973
01:23:52,510 --> 01:23:56,690
I don't think people are aware that they will be actually responsible

974
01:23:56,690 --> 01:24:05,470
for pain for some of this stormwater changes that might be occurring, especially in

975
01:24:05,470 --> 01:24:12,990
Parenthoodville, or I know very interesting email came in about Shellabarger, the

976
01:24:12,990 --> 01:24:18,770
same issue with all this erosion coming in, because again, as we all know, the

977
01:24:18,770 --> 01:24:24,490
more dense you get and if you don't have enough infiltration going on with trees

978
01:24:24,490 --> 01:24:29,190
And everything like that, everything's just going to, you know, float downhill or float to the sound.

979
01:24:29,850 --> 01:24:41,570
And so I just don't know if if people are really aware that they will be having to pay to help implement this storm water code.

980
01:24:41,610 --> 01:24:48,830
And I don't know if that is shouldness, necessitate a second public hearing, but I certainly would want to know.

981
01:24:48,830 --> 01:24:54,250
But if I was living on parental creek and knowing that I would have to have to start paying

982
01:24:55,150 --> 01:24:57,930
for some of these standards that we're going to implement.

983
01:24:58,310 --> 01:25:04,950
And again, I still believe we need to loop Linwood in because we are Linwood's base in pretty

984
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:05,330
much.

985
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:12,690
So I just find that to be interesting that we are going to try and work with them.

986
01:25:12,690 --> 01:25:15,550
but it's really important that we try and get something

987
01:25:16,110 --> 01:25:19,810
for them to understand that we are responsive.

988
01:25:20,190 --> 01:25:25,130
We are the victims of their developments.

989
01:25:26,910 --> 01:25:31,710
And I don't know if we can do any type of input

990
01:25:31,710 --> 01:25:35,310
in terms of when they were building those 52, again,

991
01:25:35,450 --> 01:25:38,670
I don't know this, if you knew how they built those units,

992
01:25:38,850 --> 01:25:41,790
if they put in ground wells or dry wells,

993
01:25:41,790 --> 01:25:46,870
or anything like that. So I just think that it's important that we might want to consider

994
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:51,150
either extending this or having a second public hearing due to cost factors.

995
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:58,730
Well, I can see a couple of possible approaches to that. I mean, I think we're at the spot where

996
01:25:58,730 --> 01:26:04,270
we honestly feel like together the administration and the council need to make some decisions

997
01:26:04,270 --> 01:26:11,870
in terms of dials on the regulations for sure that are going to be specific to Perinville.

998
01:26:12,510 --> 01:26:16,070
We've got a huge workload ahead of us there in that basin.

999
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:22,010
And I think we need to start making these changes, but it certainly could come once maybe

1000
01:26:22,010 --> 01:26:28,330
once we adopt these to do a lot of public outreach and communication about what we're

1001
01:26:28,330 --> 01:26:34,010
trying to do there and make sure people understand why it's necessary and what the impact

1002
01:26:34,010 --> 01:26:38,150
is going to be, and you had asked the question about potential costs.

1003
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:43,970
So these are all a bit of a way on what that might come out to.

1004
01:26:45,370 --> 01:26:50,550
But it would just be part of the review process going forward, and they would get our

1005
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:54,370
comments on whatever their application was, and they'd have certain requirements they need

1006
01:26:54,370 --> 01:26:54,630
to meet.

1007
01:26:54,630 --> 01:27:01,730
Most of which are really given to us by the state, but we have done, we have made some changes

1008
01:27:01,730 --> 01:27:07,190
and are recommending a few more that would make it an Edmund specific code as well.

1009
01:27:08,290 --> 01:27:09,090
I think it's justified.

1010
01:27:09,250 --> 01:27:12,250
I think it's the right thing to do.

1011
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:16,510
I'd hate to see a slowdown at this point, but that'd be up to the council.

1012
01:27:22,060 --> 01:27:23,780
Yes or more, thanks.

1013
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:24,940
Thank you, Mayor.

1014
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:29,860
So, I looked up hard surfaces in the definition and it doesn't by say, you know, an impervious

1015
01:27:29,860 --> 01:27:39,340
service, service, permeable payment, pavement, or vegetated roof. I think if we were to,

1016
01:27:39,340 --> 01:27:44,460
so I'm taking that as impervious services, including permeable payment and vegetated roofs,

1017
01:27:45,480 --> 01:27:51,040
possibly something indicating, but not limited to, so that we're not leaving out things like turf fields

1018
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:55,400
or other things that might fall under that to make sure that we encompass it.

1019
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:05,120
And then my question is, oh, earlier today, Ms. Sites gave a public comment and mentioned

1020
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:10,020
using trees as drainage infrastructure with drainage easements for trees. Is this something

1021
01:28:10,020 --> 01:28:17,800
that we have ever considered? And, you know, quite likely it wouldn't be done in time for

1022
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:23,320
this for what we're working on now, but, you know, is that something that we could work on?

1023
01:28:23,980 --> 01:28:30,680
Yeah, yeah, she have to knew her stuff that that is an existing BMP, so that is already available in our toolkit.

1024
01:28:31,940 --> 01:28:35,320
It's not there's a couple of issues with it.

1025
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:40,460
In my 10 years doing this in Washington, I think I've seen that years once.

1026
01:28:41,780 --> 01:28:43,680
So it's a weird way to do an accredited.

1027
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,760
It doesn't quite count towards the LED BMPs.

1028
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:51,640
It's a flow control BMP, so if somebody is in a single family home,

1029
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:58,540
going through the list approach, which is just as you pick a ring garden at 5% or I pick a

1030
01:28:58,540 --> 01:29:05,200
trench at 1000 feet per square foot. So if you're going through that, the tree, the tree

1031
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:09,380
option is not in there. You actually have to get into the modeling in order to get the credit for

1032
01:29:09,380 --> 01:29:16,040
the trees. I think one of the reasons it's not used very frequently is the credits aren't super

1033
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:23,320
grow. And I believe that's because a lot of people, probably myself included, are little hesitant

1034
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:31,420
to build trees as infrastructure because we see them as potentially temporary. So if you

1035
01:29:31,420 --> 01:29:36,060
were to actually have a tree providing the stormwater mitigation, one of that tree to fall

1036
01:29:36,060 --> 01:29:42,360
or die in the future, are you going to have a new stormwatering problem? So I think there's

1037
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:49,780
hesitance to go towards that is a soul VMP, but like I said, it is in there as an option for

1038
01:29:49,780 --> 01:29:55,860
for some projects. There is also a VMP for reducing clearing footprint too. So if you can

1039
01:29:55,860 --> 01:29:59,800
show that you, you know, although typically you would clear this big footprint.

1040
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:10,600
But if you can actually shrink it, there are some credits for that too. Again, they're kind of cumbersome. So they're not used very frequently, but they are there in the toolkit.

1041
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,060
Okay. Thank you.

1042
01:30:16,170 --> 01:30:16,230
Yeah.

1043
01:30:16,230 --> 01:30:16,790
Councillor Sources.

1044
01:30:18,090 --> 01:30:24,290
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just wanted to follow up on council member Laura Johnson's comments on the turf fields.

1045
01:30:24,290 --> 01:30:29,510
the way I read that definition of impervious surface, like 60% of the way down,

1046
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:35,890
packet page 310, tier fields would be included. Is that right, in the hard surfaces?

1047
01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:41,890
Yes, it's actually its own special exception. It all depends on where it's under

1048
01:30:41,890 --> 01:30:48,530
grade 6. This is the short question. Yeah. So with the 8-8 inches or exactly. Yeah.

1049
01:30:48,530 --> 01:30:49,930
Yeah, okay, thanks.

1050
01:30:54,010 --> 01:30:58,690
Right, so with that, we will go ahead and now open up the public hearing for Stormwater

1051
01:30:58,690 --> 01:31:06,110
Management Code ECBC 18.30, if you'd like to comment in this public hearing, please raise

1052
01:31:06,110 --> 01:31:12,870
your virtual hand if you're on a computer laptop, tablet, smartphone, if you're calling

1053
01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:17,570
on a landline, you can also raise your hand by pressing star 9.

1054
01:31:17,570 --> 01:31:21,870
Go ahead and look and see if we have any hands raised,

1055
01:31:28,190 --> 01:31:30,450
not seeing any,

1056
01:31:33,780 --> 01:31:34,640
to hear it for that.

1057
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:37,540
Please raise your virtual hand or press star nine.

1058
01:31:51,990 --> 01:31:54,170
See, drop English as raised as virtual hand.

1059
01:31:59,060 --> 01:32:02,060
So I don't see anybody else.

1060
01:32:03,180 --> 01:32:06,300
Okay, we will go ahead and close the public hearing.

1061
01:32:09,420 --> 01:32:10,260
Point of order.

1062
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:15,960
Is it open to discussion whether we would be continuing it?

1063
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,060
because I have, I have some questions.

1064
01:32:23,100 --> 01:32:23,320
Sure.

1065
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:31,300
We did have one citizen who expressly asked to continue it,

1066
01:32:31,300 --> 01:32:34,720
and I was surprised that there were no comments to be had

1067
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,860
because there were quite a few that came in by email today.

1068
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,860
So my first question is whether the ones that came in

1069
01:32:40,860 --> 01:32:44,120
by email are registered as comments for the public hearing,

1070
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:49,700
where they would have rights to be considered again.

1071
01:32:51,670 --> 01:32:52,590
Excuse me.

1072
01:32:57,070 --> 01:32:57,510
I'm sorry.

1073
01:32:57,510 --> 01:33:00,350
I was distracted, could you repeat the question?

1074
01:33:01,150 --> 01:33:06,730
Yes, I was wondering if the questions that came in by email today that we're referring

1075
01:33:06,730 --> 01:33:12,630
to this public hearing issue, whether they get counted as far as the public hearing is concerned

1076
01:33:12,630 --> 01:33:15,270
so that those people have standing on this subject.

1077
01:33:15,690 --> 01:33:19,530
Yeah, they are part of the public record, and they're entered into the minute suddenly.

1078
01:33:20,710 --> 01:33:26,830
Okay, and because we had that level of interest for it by email, I was surprised that we didn't

1079
01:33:26,830 --> 01:33:32,930
have any commenters here today, especially since we have our technology at play, would we be able to

1080
01:33:32,930 --> 01:33:38,870
continue it for next week, where if there were technical difficulties that people would be able to

1081
01:33:39,770 --> 01:33:43,310
come back next week? That would be a council decision.

1082
01:33:45,950 --> 01:33:53,540
Man, make that motion. You sure in the net? I'll send like. Okay, go ahead.

1083
01:33:53,540 --> 01:33:59,920
I'd like to move that we continue the hearing to next week in case there were other commenters.

1084
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:01,040
I'll second vote.

1085
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:02,740
Move in second-end discussion.

1086
01:34:04,500 --> 01:34:05,280
Council President.

1087
01:34:08,780 --> 01:34:15,740
I don't per se have any trouble with having a continuous of public hearing.

1088
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:21,400
I would like the introduction to be abbreviated if we do,

1089
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:29,200
because we already have a pretty busy meeting on the 28th and I don't think it can absorb much more

1090
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:38,420
and if we don't have any additional public commenters then or receive you know within the

1091
01:34:38,420 --> 01:34:44,820
received emails of course I don't have any objection but I would like to get this the public hearing

1092
01:34:44,820 --> 01:34:51,000
part wrapped up quickly so it can have some certainty regarding all the efforts that have been done by staff

1093
01:34:51,800 --> 01:35:01,340
So, I would, I'm look warm on putting it on for next week, but it's something that I, you know, I won't oppose.

1094
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:04,440
It's an refunctionistic customer.

1095
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,240
Thank you, Mr. Passy.

1096
01:35:09,580 --> 01:35:16,220
So, you're saying that every citizen that sent us an email today, even though it didn't say public hearing,

1097
01:35:16,220 --> 01:35:21,880
And the only one that I received from a citizen that said was Laura Petzel, public hearing

1098
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:28,380
on storm water and all the others did not indicate public hearing, they just said storm

1099
01:35:28,380 --> 01:35:31,120
water threat or storm water issue.

1100
01:35:31,780 --> 01:35:36,380
So you're telling me that you're going to go through each of our emails and pull out the

1101
01:35:36,380 --> 01:35:41,600
ones that just have been worth storm water and then add them to the packet for next week.

1102
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:43,000
So citizens can read that.

1103
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,360
I'm a little confused at that process.

1104
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:52,140
So, what I'm saying is that when we publish the public hearing notice, which goes to the

1105
01:35:52,140 --> 01:35:58,080
effort peril, essentially there's a line in there that says public comments can also

1106
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:04,500
be submitted to and I think it's the public comment at EdmundsWad.gov email address and so

1107
01:36:04,500 --> 01:36:08,760
if they come in in that way then we count them as the public hearing comment.

1108
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:15,180
Oh, no, I agree with that, but these comments that I have received come into Council and not to public comment.

1109
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:22,040
So that's, that's, I think what the, what Council member Olson was saying is that we have been receiving comments,

1110
01:36:23,580 --> 01:36:26,640
but they haven't been coming in through the public comments window.

1111
01:36:26,780 --> 01:36:30,880
They've been coming in through just to Council and that's it.

1112
01:36:31,940 --> 01:36:36,360
So that would be one reason that I think would be important to do a continuation.

1113
01:36:37,060 --> 01:36:37,900
Thank you.

1114
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:43,980
That's my distal horse and council president to think that's where I feel the most.

1115
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:49,800
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. My understanding from director Williams and Mr. Richardson was this was going to be coming back

1116
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:56,900
months down the road. Anyways, so whether it's an official public hearing with a notice period or just collecting

1117
01:36:57,900 --> 01:37:04,020
comments and feedback as we normally do, this period is still going to be going on for a matter of months

1118
01:37:04,020 --> 01:37:12,380
During the ecology and seep a review so it seems to me like there's still quite a bit of time

1119
01:37:12,380 --> 01:37:21,720
We're not taking any action next week that we can receive comments over the next 45-60 days and see if anything changes

1120
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:27,440
So I'm you know, I'm not really sure if there's a necessity to continue the public hearing

1121
01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:32,960
Because we still have options to to review and make comments during that time period before adoption

1122
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:33,940
Thanks.

1123
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:44,410
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I think that Mr. Passy covered my comment. This is regarding public comments.

1124
01:37:45,210 --> 01:37:47,350
And so I don't need to state. Thank you, though.

1125
01:37:48,090 --> 01:37:48,650
Councillor interjecting.

1126
01:37:48,910 --> 01:37:54,770
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The only two comments I received was from Ms. Petzell.

1127
01:37:55,970 --> 01:37:59,690
And from one other citizen,

1128
01:38:01,770 --> 01:38:04,870
Joe Scordino, the were identified.

1129
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:14,330
Well, I'm sorry, Anne Margie Field. So we do have a few comments. Just for clarification. There was some.

1130
01:38:18,100 --> 01:38:22,000
Yeah, I think Councilmember Düsseldorf has made a really good point.

1131
01:38:22,260 --> 01:38:32,740
Except that I know the public hearings give people certain standing regarding issues to be able to come back and have further, I don't know what the standing on those issues.

1132
01:38:32,740 --> 01:38:34,940
So I do think that there is a difference.

1133
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:37,860
I'm going to go ahead and forward all of those emails

1134
01:38:37,860 --> 01:38:40,960
that we got today to the public comment thing,

1135
01:38:41,700 --> 01:38:44,660
so that they're, will that suffice for those.

1136
01:38:45,700 --> 01:38:48,800
And but I still hope that we'll vote to continue the public

1137
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:51,560
hearing it'll be really short if there's nobody showing that,

1138
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:53,840
but just in case there's any technical difficulties

1139
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:57,280
that are keeping all the people that had a lot of interest

1140
01:38:57,280 --> 01:38:59,040
that look like from showing up tonight

1141
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,380
that they still wanted to be here for some reason

1142
01:39:01,380 --> 01:39:05,020
for some reason. They're not getting on and keep that happened.

1143
01:39:10,730 --> 01:39:15,630
Not seeing any more discussion, all in favor of continuing the public hearing till the next meeting

1144
01:39:15,630 --> 01:39:19,710
at September 28th to the Council meeting. Show of hands

1145
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:26,660
all those opposed in the motion passes.

1146
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:29,120
We'll continue till next meeting.

1147
01:39:33,630 --> 01:39:39,580
Thank you, John. Next item on the agenda under unfinished business

1148
01:39:39,580 --> 01:39:44,880
is Edmund's Rescue Plan Fund, non-profit organization grant alors.

1149
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:46,620
Mr. Gourney.

1150
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:50,530
Good evening, Mayor and Council.

1151
01:39:51,050 --> 01:39:58,230
So we're back to consider the amount of profit organization grants from our Edmund's Rescue Plan Fund.

1152
01:39:58,670 --> 01:40:03,050
And we'll just do our short PowerPoint presentation again for anyone watching it.

1153
01:40:03,130 --> 01:40:05,810
Really, I'm in the final slide, it's different, but for you all.

1154
01:40:05,970 --> 01:40:08,690
So I will share screen and do that in a moment.

1155
01:40:08,690 --> 01:40:09,750
I

1156
01:40:19,410 --> 01:40:21,810
hope that you can see that.

1157
01:40:23,090 --> 01:40:27,770
So, again, as I mentioned last time, two weeks ago,

1158
01:40:28,110 --> 01:40:30,630
the Evans Rescue Plan Fund was approved by

1159
01:40:30,630 --> 01:40:34,490
U.L. on the 20th of July as ordinance 4229.

1160
01:40:35,050 --> 01:40:38,470
There are six accounts in that fund, including a county,

1161
01:40:38,670 --> 01:40:41,830
which is the Evans Rescue Plan Fund non-profit organization

1162
01:40:41,830 --> 01:40:44,190
support for the allocation of half a million dollars.

1163
01:40:44,730 --> 01:40:48,150
Small grants, up to $20,000, are approval by the mayor,

1164
01:40:48,150 --> 01:40:50,990
for a cumulative total of $100,000.

1165
01:40:50,990 --> 01:40:53,210
A larger grant that any amount of over $20,000

1166
01:40:53,210 --> 01:40:54,610
are approval by a city council

1167
01:40:54,610 --> 01:40:56,870
for a cumulative total of $400,000,

1168
01:40:56,990 --> 01:40:58,270
which is the reason why we're here this evening.

1169
01:40:59,410 --> 01:41:01,390
We did send out a notice on the 30th of July,

1170
01:41:01,490 --> 01:41:04,030
it'll be availability of grants that went out

1171
01:41:04,030 --> 01:41:08,270
by a press release on our Facebook City's website,

1172
01:41:08,510 --> 01:41:10,510
on our city Facebook page and direct mail

1173
01:41:10,510 --> 01:41:12,490
to a network of some organizations.

1174
01:41:13,330 --> 01:41:15,970
The deadline was the 25th August.

1175
01:41:15,970 --> 01:41:25,630
The applications required proof of nonprofit status, and just to say as a parent medical because I think this question was asked for at least some reference.

1176
01:41:26,410 --> 01:41:36,790
We did not require File and C3 or any federal designation of the nonprofit that's simply registration to the state as a nonprofit entity.

1177
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:42,250
The amount requested, the proposed use of the requested funds, the statement of need, especially

1178
01:41:42,250 --> 01:41:47,170
focusing on financial hardship, greeted by COVID, other sources of funds available in a statement

1179
01:41:47,170 --> 01:41:51,490
of how the organization enhances the account on the cultural and the quality of life aspects

1180
01:41:51,490 --> 01:41:57,390
of events, 16 applications were received, one application is ineligible since the organization

1181
01:41:57,390 --> 01:42:03,570
is not currently located in advance, seven applications were for amounts of 20,000 less,

1182
01:42:03,570 --> 01:42:09,090
which they reviewed and awarded in the following table you see the award amounts compared

1183
01:42:09,090 --> 01:42:12,850
to the requested amounts and that total 100,000.

1184
01:42:13,470 --> 01:42:17,910
The remaining aid applications as we mentioned last time are available for your review and

1185
01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:24,090
consideration and approval are summarized as follows, I'm not going to read them all out loud

1186
01:42:24,090 --> 01:42:29,450
but I'll leave them on the screen for just a moment so that anyone watching can see what the

1187
01:42:29,450 --> 01:42:36,130
amounts are from whom those are the requests, totaling 350,000,500.

1188
01:42:37,410 --> 01:42:41,710
All of the applications do meet our eligibility criteria, as I mentioned last time,

1189
01:42:41,890 --> 01:42:48,530
Art Start Northwest appears to include 13,000 in capital-related items associated more

1190
01:42:48,530 --> 01:42:53,770
directly with the completion of the graphite arts complex than with its own stated nonprofit

1191
01:42:53,770 --> 01:42:56,390
mission, so that's something to consider.

1192
01:42:57,010 --> 01:43:02,770
Council has the direct authority to grant the amounts up to the amount requested or anything

1193
01:43:02,770 --> 01:43:09,530
less. Any leftover amounts will roll over to a future call for requests. I just recommended

1194
01:43:09,530 --> 01:43:15,510
to suggest that perhaps we wait till January for that. And then lastly, it's just a question

1195
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:22,030
of you're discussing again these requests and making a grant award decisions this evening.

1196
01:43:22,030 --> 01:43:27,010
If you do so, of course, we will notify the applicants immediately, and we have been developing

1197
01:43:27,010 --> 01:43:34,110
a, because of the previous approval by Mayer, but a weeks ago, developed and completed contracts,

1198
01:43:35,170 --> 01:43:38,270
that those other entities have now received.

1199
01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:42,130
So we'll be quick to get the other new ones on your contract right away.

1200
01:43:42,230 --> 01:43:49,170
So I'll go back just for a second to the screen that has the ones that are for consideration for council this evening.

1201
01:43:49,170 --> 01:43:53,150
I'm not going to leave this up, because I know we want to get back to seeing each other,

1202
01:43:53,570 --> 01:44:01,810
but please take note of that and with that, I will stop sharing screen and we'll go back.

1203
01:44:11,470 --> 01:44:14,870
All right, that's all. That's your customer alarm, Johnson,

1204
01:44:15,490 --> 01:44:20,310
Johnson, work, president, and customer for the bills. Make us more pretty soon, Johnson.

1205
01:44:21,130 --> 01:44:27,890
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Archie. I have a question concerning the

1206
01:44:27,890 --> 01:44:34,450
One, application that was denied Washington kids in transition because they are not based in

1207
01:44:35,650 --> 01:44:40,250
Edmunds, reading the statement, you know, how the organization and its programs, projects

1208
01:44:40,250 --> 01:44:44,670
or activities and hands, economic, cultural, and or quality of life aspects within Edmund's

1209
01:44:44,670 --> 01:44:45,230
community.

1210
01:44:45,970 --> 01:44:50,610
You know, I feel that they most definitely do that, so I understand that they are not based

1211
01:44:50,610 --> 01:44:52,250
in Edmunds.

1212
01:44:52,250 --> 01:44:57,830
So my questions, are they going to qualify somewhere else along the line here?

1213
01:44:58,130 --> 01:44:59,890
All right, those needs going to be met somewhere else.

1214
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:17,480
Or is this a case of, you know, there is still money remaining and should be considered whether they, you know, whether we should consider them and, you know, with a caveat that money would be used to benefit specifically Edmund's residents.

1215
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:29,000
Right. So that's a very good question. And I would say that when we, whatever amount is left over, we already know that just the total of the request to you is 352.

1216
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:37,680
So we know there would be at least a 48,000 and then the sum of the deductions I mentioned it will likely be a little bit more than that that's left over.

1217
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:50,180
We can potentially at that time, again, there's so much in the ordinance that you all approve, so much specificity, then it will take some tweaks to the ordinance, but we can certainly take that to you all.

1218
01:45:50,480 --> 01:45:56,480
If we if we preview that we'd like to go out of January, after holidays are over, people's attention is focused on the opportunity.

1219
01:45:56,480 --> 01:46:02,180
then we can before that go back to you with some tweaks to the ordinance and we could say, for example,

1220
01:46:02,580 --> 01:46:07,760
non-profit organizations located in this or primarily serving or substantially serving as

1221
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:11,400
residents. There's something like that. We didn't think of that in advance, unfortunately,

1222
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:15,400
and I think getting our ordinance done. So we could certainly bring that to you as an

1223
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:20,560
amendment and then they would potentially qualify if they wish to apply again.

1224
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:22,520
Okay, thank you.

1225
01:46:27,610 --> 01:46:29,470
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1226
01:46:30,290 --> 01:46:30,950
Directed already.

1227
01:46:31,930 --> 01:46:41,890
So one of the questions that I asked last time, because as I think I mentioned last time, I was surprised that we didn't see from the Edmunds Food Bank.

1228
01:46:42,710 --> 01:46:53,670
And similarly to Council Member Laura Johnson's concerns, having a group that does do direct work with our families here.

1229
01:46:53,670 --> 01:47:02,390
Did you ever hear from the Edmunds Food Bank if there were barriers with doing the accounting?

1230
01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:07,610
Because they surveyed everybody across the communities and I know that they were specifically

1231
01:47:07,610 --> 01:47:14,950
tasked with counting, you know, making sure that these funds were directed towards Edmund's

1232
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:15,390
residents.

1233
01:47:16,110 --> 01:47:20,890
Was that sort of bookkeeping a barrier for the Edmunds Food Bank?

1234
01:47:20,890 --> 01:47:28,490
Did you ever get a chance to hear about about that for the non-profits that serve more than just

1235
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:29,910
Edmund's?

1236
01:47:30,290 --> 01:47:37,650
Because, and then when I look at this list that we have before us tonight, we also have groups that serve our broader communities

1237
01:47:37,650 --> 01:47:40,310
in ways that

1238
01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:44,290
enhanced, you know, Edmund's, so Edmund's does ultimately benefit

1239
01:47:44,290 --> 01:47:48,670
overall, but there, but there could be these groups

1240
01:47:48,670 --> 01:47:52,570
constituents like the food bank or Washington kids

1241
01:47:52,570 --> 01:47:56,470
in transition, you know, come from a broader community.

1242
01:47:57,150 --> 01:47:57,310
Right.

1243
01:47:58,510 --> 01:48:02,990
So the food bank did not contact us during the

1244
01:48:02,990 --> 01:48:03,950
application period.

1245
01:48:04,610 --> 01:48:07,030
I would be surprised that they didn't know what the

1246
01:48:07,030 --> 01:48:09,390
application period, but obviously I don't know that

1247
01:48:09,390 --> 01:48:13,690
because I wanted to be fair and put it out through

1248
01:48:13,690 --> 01:48:19,070
the regular channels and not be cherry picking people that I know of to call and prompt them to apply.

1249
01:48:20,050 --> 01:48:26,110
But I will remind you that we did provide money last year with CARES on the two the

1250
01:48:26,110 --> 01:48:31,010
Edmunds Food Bank to really help them meet the food needs. It was a substantial amount of money

1251
01:48:31,010 --> 01:48:36,830
that I don't have off the top of my head. No, I totally understand that, but they have been served.

1252
01:48:37,670 --> 01:48:41,610
But, so I'm just wondering if the traffic is going to be

1253
01:48:41,610 --> 01:48:42,330
part of the barrier?

1254
01:48:43,150 --> 01:48:46,650
No, I don't believe that was because we talked about that related to their care

1255
01:48:46,650 --> 01:48:47,030
funding.

1256
01:48:47,550 --> 01:48:50,830
We talked about the fact that some people might be in the mix who are not that in

1257
01:48:50,830 --> 01:48:51,370
his residence.

1258
01:48:53,350 --> 01:48:57,530
And we basically made the judgment, along the lines that you just, I think,

1259
01:48:58,090 --> 01:49:02,430
verbalized, that certainly the majority of people are, and those people who may not be

1260
01:49:02,430 --> 01:49:06,590
in his residence, they don't ask for a residency in the line, they don't have a very

1261
01:49:06,590 --> 01:49:12,090
a little barrier, that really is an enhancement to our community as well, we're welcoming, we're

1262
01:49:12,090 --> 01:49:17,090
accepting, we're a generous community and even if you're from outside the city limit,

1263
01:49:17,250 --> 01:49:21,190
you can still find some support in our community. So there's an overall general enhancement to

1264
01:49:21,190 --> 01:49:27,090
the quality of life by helping people, even if they happen to be just beyond our boundaries.

1265
01:49:27,770 --> 01:49:33,890
And the business model is not one to create that barrier, ask for an ID that they may not have or something.

1266
01:49:33,890 --> 01:49:40,830
So we already talked through that with them, and we portrayed to them that we didn't want them to create that barrier.

1267
01:49:41,370 --> 01:49:45,610
And so my interpretation from that is that they didn't perceive that that was a barrier.

1268
01:49:46,310 --> 01:49:49,130
All right. I really appreciate that explanation. Thank you so much.

1269
01:49:57,470 --> 01:50:00,690
Councillor Ferryman else and Councillor Member Christian Johnson and the Councillor else.

1270
01:50:01,830 --> 01:50:06,450
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I like this list. I like the way it's been drawn up.

1271
01:50:06,450 --> 01:50:35,410
It really looks fair to each organization, I guess, I would say, and I think round two, you know, perhaps we, you know, will have this discussion later. I'm assuming, but, but I would guess that we start looking at the agencies that we had not supported in the past. So, you know, if it's a possible kids and transition or of course the food bank and and their needs, I think those are really good things.

1272
01:50:35,410 --> 01:50:41,910
And there is probably a couple more organizations that perhaps may be interested in this

1273
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:46,610
once they see the level of funding that's been given out.

1274
01:50:46,610 --> 01:50:52,470
But I think this is a really solid list, and thank you for building it.

1275
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:56,910
I think it's going to help a number of people with a number of arenas.

1276
01:50:57,110 --> 01:51:01,390
I like, you know, I was surprised when I like to see the Edvin's Waterfront Center that

1277
01:51:01,390 --> 01:51:04,290
many will be given to them for their lunch program.

1278
01:51:04,290 --> 01:51:22,330
I think that's a good thing. I'm not sure how sustainable $15 a meal is for folks, which is the actual cost of it, but at least I think it's going to serve a number of seniors in a long-term basis at lunchtime at least.

1279
01:51:22,350 --> 01:51:29,430
I actually went down and observed lunch down there a couple weeks ago just to see how many folks we had coming in.

1280
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:32,110
And I think that data was 11, maybe.

1281
01:51:32,370 --> 01:51:34,650
And I think it's good that we're helping those

1282
01:51:34,650 --> 01:51:39,430
that have food instability and, you know,

1283
01:51:39,890 --> 01:51:43,190
numerous other reasons why they're not eating at home.

1284
01:51:43,710 --> 01:51:44,950
So, anyway, thank you.

1285
01:51:46,470 --> 01:51:46,910
That's my question.

1286
01:51:50,940 --> 01:51:51,900
Thank you, Mayor.

1287
01:51:52,020 --> 01:51:56,280
Mr. Dordy, you had a slide that's not in our packet.

1288
01:51:56,820 --> 01:52:00,860
It showed the seven grants through the mayor

1289
01:52:00,860 --> 01:52:04,380
that were proposed totally now $100,000.

1290
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:12,800
My question for you is what's the difference between the requests and the actual grants?

1291
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:15,080
Right, yeah.

1292
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:17,040
That was presented last time as well.

1293
01:52:17,220 --> 01:52:18,660
Do you want me to go back to that?

1294
01:52:18,760 --> 01:52:20,760
Or do you just want me to address the question?

1295
01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:22,960
I just want to address the question.

1296
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:30,840
So again, as I said last time, we had the eight and then the one was not eligible.

1297
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:35,780
So the mayor's authority is to grant that to 20,000

1298
01:52:35,780 --> 01:52:37,840
milligrams with a total of 100,000.

1299
01:52:38,460 --> 01:52:40,760
The mayor is very interested in the programs

1300
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:42,740
and the services provided by those agencies

1301
01:52:42,740 --> 01:52:45,920
really desiring to make those grants quickly

1302
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:47,960
and directly to those agencies.

1303
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:51,070
And they just, they were just,

1304
01:52:51,460 --> 01:52:53,960
the total was just about 100,000.

1305
01:52:54,420 --> 01:52:56,580
In order to provide that, those managed quickly

1306
01:52:56,580 --> 01:52:58,560
and directly from the mayor's office,

1307
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:05,140
we made a decision to cut just like we, the amounts awarded from the amounts requested.

1308
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:09,660
And if you look at that table, you see it a thousand to two thousand off from the total request.

1309
01:53:10,180 --> 01:53:15,100
Yes, very, that information in the packet. I did see it tonight.

1310
01:53:15,780 --> 01:53:23,980
And how many thousands dollars were the difference between what was funded and what was requested?

1311
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:29,120
I don't have to go back to that. I suppose to do the math in my head. I'm not sure that I know that.

1312
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:32,240
Talk in my head. So if you want me to, I can share a screening in short.

1313
01:53:33,300 --> 01:53:35,660
Well, that gets me to my second question.

1314
01:53:36,460 --> 01:53:44,500
If there were funds, we had allocated 400,000 for council funds.

1315
01:53:44,780 --> 01:53:51,000
And if we need to allocate that difference by the council,

1316
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:54,860
in order to meet their needs.

1317
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:56,220
Let me, yeah.

1318
01:53:57,460 --> 01:54:00,720
Let me, I'm just going to have to quickly do some math here on my own.

1319
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:08,080
Two, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.

1320
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:19,780
Looks like 11,500, but I did that quickly.

1321
01:54:21,620 --> 01:54:24,480
So I'll just leave up there for one more moment for everything to read that.

1322
01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:28,340
I will tell you, I'll share the screen back.

1323
01:54:28,660 --> 01:54:30,140
I mean, I will come back to the full screen,

1324
01:54:30,240 --> 01:54:32,980
but what we're sticking to, I'll say a lot of the thing.

1325
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:34,800
Actually, I can just go back.

1326
01:54:34,860 --> 01:54:36,480
I think you've seen a lot of that.

1327
01:54:38,940 --> 01:54:42,840
When I said last time too, and I think it's even potentially

1328
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:45,100
for your consideration on your decisions,

1329
01:54:46,340 --> 01:54:47,600
it's not unusual.

1330
01:54:47,980 --> 01:54:52,640
In fact, it's really very commonly case when you apply for grants

1331
01:54:53,260 --> 01:54:57,420
that you might receive something slightly less than the total that you asked for.

1332
01:54:57,500 --> 01:55:02,220
I'm not encouraging that people not receive the totals, but it's a very normal thing.

1333
01:55:02,500 --> 01:55:05,020
Having received grants myself and having been on grant review committees.

1334
01:55:05,660 --> 01:55:08,680
There's not always the full amount of money to give to every

1335
01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:15,780
requester and sometimes you have one award to those that are just have slightly stronger

1336
01:55:16,820 --> 01:55:18,560
cases that they've made.

1337
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:30,220
All of the applicants with the mayor who suit the early awardees at the mayor's grants have gone to, have been awarded, contacted and their contracts have been sent for the amounts listed.

1338
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:37,540
They're all thrilled. Nobody said, gosh, I wish I'd gotten that extra, thousand, I mean, they're all thrilled that they've got anything great thing.

1339
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:46,360
So of course it is within your authority to grant your majority portion of the funds in any way you wish.

1340
01:55:46,360 --> 01:55:55,120
But I guess my recommendation, just by having processed this is that we maybe leave it as it is, goes back into the full for the second round, and

1341
01:55:55,120 --> 01:55:57,560
Consider the ones that are in front of you to see.

1342
01:56:09,340 --> 01:56:11,700
I just wanted to remind

1343
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:13,960
The

1344
01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:21,600
Audiences as well as the council members that it probably isn't much of a coincidence, though, so many of these were arts related

1345
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:26,380
And because they weren't covered by as many of the past programs and they weren't covered

1346
01:56:26,380 --> 01:56:32,840
by the private donations, this is the rescue plan and this was absolutely intended for

1347
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:42,940
some of these more institutional kind of things that were so impacted by volume of people

1348
01:56:42,940 --> 01:56:49,500
going that they weren't going to survive without this assistance so that we could maintain

1349
01:56:49,500 --> 01:56:54,900
and kind of the best old kids of our local society.

1350
01:56:55,760 --> 01:57:02,100
So I think that, you know, I understand the feeling like oh,

1351
01:57:02,340 --> 01:57:05,860
it's weird that we don't have the more direct, you know,

1352
01:57:06,660 --> 01:57:11,040
human needs food, whatever programs in here.

1353
01:57:11,740 --> 01:57:16,200
But those have been supported by so many of the other programs.

1354
01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:22,240
this program was really designed for this purpose. So I just wanted to make sure that people

1355
01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:28,840
understood kind of the terms of what the rescue plan was about. And I also wanted to thank

1356
01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:34,620
everybody for allowing this extra time for me to have dug into this this week. And thank the

1357
01:57:34,620 --> 01:57:37,240
Director Doherty for having gotten us more information.

1358
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:45,140
Thank you. I'd like to make a motion to accept

1359
01:57:45,140 --> 01:57:48,880
the staff recommendations for the consideration of the fall and grant awards.

1360
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:58,860
Arts start in Northwest, $18,000, cascadia art museum, $50,000, and then center for the arts,

1361
01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:07,980
$50,000, and then strip with players, $50,000, and then center waterfront center, $50,000,

1362
01:58:07,980 --> 01:58:10,960
Olympic ballet theater, $45,000.

1363
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:15,220
Phoenix Theater, $27,500.

1364
01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:21,880
Roadary Club of Edson's, $30,000 for a total of $320,000.

1365
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:25,400
$320,500.

1366
01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:31,260
There are second, the move in seconded discussion.

1367
01:58:34,060 --> 01:58:35,700
All this in favor of show of hands.

1368
01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:38,360
All those opposed.

1369
01:58:42,500 --> 01:58:43,660
Thank you.

1370
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:44,340
Thank you.

1371
01:58:44,340 --> 01:58:44,420
Thank you.

1372
01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:44,900
Thanks, Patrick.

1373
01:58:45,980 --> 01:58:47,540
Next item under new business.

1374
01:58:47,740 --> 01:58:48,420
We have two items.

1375
01:58:48,980 --> 01:58:52,920
First is project update for the citywide bicycle improvement project.

1376
01:58:53,340 --> 01:58:54,400
Point of order.

1377
01:58:54,860 --> 01:58:55,760
It is 9 o'clock.

1378
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:57,920
May we take a short break.

1379
01:58:59,120 --> 01:58:59,280
Sure.

1380
01:58:59,900 --> 01:59:06,760
Let's say we have 858, so let's say a 903-ish, a little germ to lie down free.

1381
02:04:11,980 --> 02:04:22,640
We're meeting back to order. So next item under new business, two items first is Project Update for Citywide My School Improvement Project.

1382
02:04:23,560 --> 02:04:41,960
Yes, good evening. Thank you. Of course, Ryan Hague is here in Rob English and also Pablo Perra are consultant and we're here for a second time. We'll go through our presentation fairly quickly and remind you where we're at and what the recommendations are.

1383
02:04:41,980 --> 02:04:47,060
and then be happy to talk with you more about where we go from here.

1384
02:04:47,680 --> 02:04:48,260
Thank you.

1385
02:04:48,280 --> 02:04:48,840
Go ahead, Ryan.

1386
02:04:54,070 --> 02:04:54,970
Thank you so much, Bill.

1387
02:04:55,390 --> 02:04:56,430
Good evening, everyone.

1388
02:04:56,970 --> 02:04:58,450
Once again, my name is Ryan Hague.

1389
02:04:58,790 --> 02:05:01,050
I am the project manager for this project.

1390
02:05:01,670 --> 02:05:05,530
I'm not going to present any new information tonight, so as Bill mentioned,

1391
02:05:05,690 --> 02:05:07,490
we will kind of breeze through it.

1392
02:05:07,490 --> 02:05:11,150
And as I also mentioned, I'm joined by the usual cast of characters,

1393
02:05:11,750 --> 02:05:15,110
Phil, Rob, and we're also joined by Palo Palo,

1394
02:05:15,110 --> 02:05:21,370
from each consulting. So tonight, just going to do a quick recap of the timeline and talk

1395
02:05:21,370 --> 02:05:26,650
about how we got where we are right now. Then we're going to take a look at some of the alternatives

1396
02:05:26,650 --> 02:05:30,890
for the intersection of Westgate. We're going to look at some of the additional improvements

1397
02:05:30,890 --> 02:05:35,850
that we're requested during our public outreach process and then take a really quick look

1398
02:05:35,850 --> 02:05:42,010
at remaining schedule. So really brief timeline recap. In 2019, the City of the Women's

1399
02:05:42,010 --> 02:05:50,110
sued and won out over many other agencies a $1.85 million sound transit grant. We awarded

1400
02:05:50,110 --> 02:05:56,690
the design contract last year and during the award process of design, we learned that there

1401
02:05:56,690 --> 02:06:02,210
was quite a bit of public interest in this project. So we launched a fairly aggressive public

1402
02:06:02,210 --> 02:06:07,110
outreach effort. This included listening sessions that were held with interested residents,

1403
02:06:07,110 --> 02:06:11,590
So people who had actually reached out to council, we had a public meeting in February of

1404
02:06:11,590 --> 02:06:12,350
this year.

1405
02:06:12,610 --> 02:06:16,610
A lot of us met one-on-one with residents, I personally went out and met with a number of

1406
02:06:16,610 --> 02:06:20,210
residents as did Bertrand and one of our other gentleman on staff.

1407
02:06:21,010 --> 02:06:25,950
We had online surveys, the surveys were very illuminating, we learned a lot of really good

1408
02:06:25,950 --> 02:06:30,610
information from those online surveys, and we also had a project email address, website.

1409
02:06:31,270 --> 02:06:36,290
During this public outreach effort, we collected quite a bit of data, and we combined that

1410
02:06:36,290 --> 02:06:41,430
our engineering data to drive design decisions that were presented to Council on May 4th of

1411
02:06:41,430 --> 02:06:45,710
this year during that meeting. Some questions were raised about the West Gate intersection,

1412
02:06:46,410 --> 02:06:51,530
which will discuss here a few minutes, and just a second or other, and also an additional

1413
02:06:51,530 --> 02:06:55,990
public meeting was requested. And that public meeting was held on June 2nd of this year.

1414
02:06:56,810 --> 02:07:02,370
So without further ado, let's dive into West Gate intersection. Again, we're not presenting any new

1415
02:07:02,370 --> 02:07:06,910
information, but I do want to just remind everybody of the tool alternatives that we're

1416
02:07:06,910 --> 02:07:11,790
going to be looking at tonight, alternative one, as two bike lanes, one in each direction,

1417
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:18,190
in order to make room for this, this alternative would eliminate a through vehicle lane

1418
02:07:18,190 --> 02:07:19,050
in each direction.

1419
02:07:20,690 --> 02:07:27,290
alternative two, which was, during May 4th meeting, and is still the department's recommended

1420
02:07:27,290 --> 02:07:34,730
alternative. We're proposing to add one northbound bike lane. In the southbound we're proposing to install

1421
02:07:34,730 --> 02:07:41,670
shared lane markings also known as Sheros. This would involve southbound cyclists sharing the road with

1422
02:07:41,670 --> 02:07:47,330
traffic. So we're going to provide some ramps for cyclists who aren't comfortable with this configuration

1423
02:07:47,330 --> 02:07:54,170
to get up onto the sidewalk and walk through the intersection. Side by side comparison let's first

1424
02:07:54,170 --> 02:07:58,090
start with how each alternative is going to impact motorists.

1425
02:07:58,510 --> 02:08:00,010
I'll turn it at one of the vehicle lanes

1426
02:08:00,010 --> 02:08:01,310
maintaining the current width.

1427
02:08:01,650 --> 02:08:02,850
There's just the order of them.

1428
02:08:02,950 --> 02:08:05,130
And I'll turn it at two in order to make room

1429
02:08:05,130 --> 02:08:06,570
for that one additional lane.

1430
02:08:06,610 --> 02:08:08,730
The vehicle lanes do get slightly narrower.

1431
02:08:09,330 --> 02:08:11,750
And of course, alternative one, again,

1432
02:08:12,190 --> 02:08:14,750
we're limiting through motor slain in each direction.

1433
02:08:15,150 --> 02:08:16,590
And what that means is that it's going to take

1434
02:08:16,590 --> 02:08:18,150
a little bit longer to get through there.

1435
02:08:18,670 --> 02:08:23,490
So we're, so this alternative would add about 20 each seconds

1436
02:08:23,490 --> 02:08:29,270
So the travel time from Elm down, I'm sorry, from 238's up to Elm,

1437
02:08:29,710 --> 02:08:33,190
whereas alternative 2 only adds about 2 and a half seconds.

1438
02:08:34,970 --> 02:08:37,990
Let's take a look at what the impacts are on Q-link.

1439
02:08:38,310 --> 02:08:42,230
The graphic that you're looking at has a couple of bars that

1440
02:08:42,230 --> 02:08:44,890
represent Q-link during the peak hour.

1441
02:08:45,610 --> 02:08:48,190
Is that red represents the 50% Q-link?

1442
02:08:48,510 --> 02:08:52,310
And what that means is that, of course, the median Q-link

1443
02:08:52,310 --> 02:08:58,750
during our peak hour. So that's what we expect to see roughly 50% of the time. And then the

1444
02:08:58,750 --> 02:09:05,510
blue extension bar is the 95% QA. That's what you would expect to see about 5% of the time

1445
02:09:05,510 --> 02:09:13,370
or in terms of minutes, 3 minutes of each hour of each day. As you can see here, I'll turn it one,

1446
02:09:13,770 --> 02:09:21,670
extend Q's pretty substantially. This would really impact entrance and exit from the local

1447
02:09:21,670 --> 02:09:28,170
businesses. We have a number of grocery stores here. We have a lot of restaurants that are busy during these hours.

1448
02:09:28,850 --> 02:09:36,330
And so as you can see, this alternative would impact those businesses. Moving on, total target of two.

1449
02:09:37,090 --> 02:09:42,830
We have two through lanes in each direction now, and Q-links have gotten substantially shorter.

1450
02:09:42,830 --> 02:09:52,850
During those worst three minutes, we're blocking that main entrance to QFC, and we're blocking the main entrance to the offices there on the cell-sided intersection.

1451
02:09:53,390 --> 02:09:57,850
But by and large, we're not impacting businesses anymore than we are today.

1452
02:09:59,450 --> 02:10:07,750
Let's take a look at how each of these alternatives impact the bicyclists because it is important to note that alternative one would provide a complete network.

1453
02:10:07,930 --> 02:10:16,270
Result alternative to what we feel that a lot of self-owned cyclists would not consider this corridor to be safe or efficient in their for not attractive.

1454
02:10:16,290 --> 02:10:26,030
It's either going off from the estate because you have to share the world of cyclists with excuse me with motorists or it's not going to be the efficient because you have to get off and walk it by through the intersection.

1455
02:10:27,150 --> 02:10:33,090
We did look at some intangibles, we're engineers, and we love numbers, but not everything can be quantified.

1456
02:10:33,610 --> 02:10:35,970
So we did think about some of the other impacts.

1457
02:10:36,770 --> 02:10:46,990
Alternative one, we think that the greater cues in the greater delays of this interception would cause motorists to seek alternate routes.

1458
02:10:46,990 --> 02:10:56,790
And we just heard earlier this evening from a resident or down on 224 who says that motors are taking that route to avoid taking to 20th.

1459
02:10:56,810 --> 02:11:03,830
This is not new. This is something that motors do. If they don't feel like dealing with an intersection, they find a way around it.

1460
02:11:04,490 --> 02:11:15,130
Additionally, alternative 2 we feel could excuse me. We feel alternative 2 gives us a greater likelihood of future grant opportunities.

1461
02:11:15,130 --> 02:11:23,730
If we're standing in front of a granting agency in 2, 3, 5, 10 years, whenever that would happen, we are looking for money to expand our system.

1462
02:11:24,170 --> 02:11:30,930
We feel that those agencies may look more favorably upon us if we're trying to fund bikes rather than trying to fund motorized vehicles.

1463
02:11:33,630 --> 02:11:37,050
Moving along to the additional improvements that we are proposing.

1464
02:11:38,030 --> 02:11:45,950
Again, we had a pretty extensive public outreach campaign and during that public outreach, the thing we heard most often is pedestrian safety.

1465
02:11:45,950 --> 02:11:53,730
Safety safety, I want to be able to walk to where I'm going, I want to be able to take my wheelchair, my scooters, where I'm going, and I want to feel safe when I'm doing it.

1466
02:11:54,370 --> 02:12:00,830
So, we identified a number of intersections where we think that pedestrian improvements could bring some quality to the project.

1467
02:12:01,330 --> 02:12:12,630
We also identified one that already has safe pedestrian crossings, but we are proposing relocating them to streamline vehicle traffic and get to that here in just a couple minutes.

1468
02:12:12,630 --> 02:12:19,650
It's important to note that none of these improvements were scoped in the original project, so they would require additional city funds to install.

1469
02:12:20,890 --> 02:12:30,430
We're going to look at each of these improvements, and again, Council saw these in May 4th, so we're not going to dwell too long on them, but going in order of what we see as their priority.

1470
02:12:30,950 --> 02:12:37,230
We're going to start with 9th and 9th and 9th and 9th. We already see a lot of traffic, a lot of pedestrians crossing here.

1471
02:12:37,230 --> 02:12:42,970
There's a marked crosswalk that motorists aren't always super quick to observe.

1472
02:12:43,650 --> 02:12:47,990
So we think that we're going to make pedestrian and a little safer here by installing

1473
02:12:47,990 --> 02:12:51,430
some flashing beacons and potentially boldel perds off.

1474
02:12:51,570 --> 02:12:55,710
But you're going to hear me say potentially boldel perds, quite a bit, and that's because

1475
02:12:55,710 --> 02:12:58,530
we haven't done any full design work getting these intersections.

1476
02:12:59,710 --> 02:13:03,870
Boldel perds aren't always safe, they're not always effective, they're not always possible.

1477
02:13:03,870 --> 02:13:08,490
But anytime we can install them, we find that they do make pedestrian safer.

1478
02:13:10,460 --> 02:13:14,840
Our next alternative is that Yoast Park is against Yoast Park.

1479
02:13:15,280 --> 02:13:18,640
Anyone who drives through this quite a bit knows that there's a lot of traffic,

1480
02:13:18,980 --> 02:13:22,280
a lot of folks walking, riding the bike, driving.

1481
02:13:22,700 --> 02:13:24,320
There's a really busy little intersection.

1482
02:13:24,720 --> 02:13:26,300
The visibility is not free.

1483
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:32,340
So we are proposing minor realignment intersection so that motorists, bicyclists,

1484
02:13:32,340 --> 02:13:37,100
list will be looking at each other at 90 degree angles, we're going to bring people out

1485
02:13:37,100 --> 02:13:40,400
in the intersection a little further before they stop, make them a little more visible

1486
02:13:40,400 --> 02:13:43,460
to each other, and that should make everyone safer.

1487
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:48,280
And then additionally, if you look down on your screen, you'll see that we're proposing

1488
02:13:48,280 --> 02:13:51,900
some parallel parking stalls, is going to do serve two purposes.

1489
02:13:52,280 --> 02:13:57,240
Number one, they're going to provide some overflow parking for Yos, because a lot, once

1490
02:13:57,240 --> 02:14:11,800
Once in a while traffic does come out on the ghost, but also perhaps more importantly, we learn that anytime we have vehicles parked on the street, it's low traffic down and anytime we so traffic down, we make everyone safer.

1491
02:14:13,440 --> 02:14:23,260
Our third alternative is Bedouin and Pioneer. This one was pretty fascinating. This came from a pretty sizable public outcry from this neighborhood.

1492
02:14:23,260 --> 02:14:28,760
We heard from a lot of residents who pointed out accurately so that there's not a single

1493
02:14:28,760 --> 02:14:35,200
mark crossing between five corners and a Yosepark intersection that is nearly a mile without

1494
02:14:35,200 --> 02:14:41,000
a single mark intersection, but people are crossing it anyway, so we're proposing to make

1495
02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:48,540
these people that are crossing it anyway safer by installing, again, the potential for bolds

1496
02:14:48,540 --> 02:14:52,960
and some flashing beacons. Well, of course, strike this and draw a draw, draw,

1497
02:14:53,020 --> 02:14:56,880
as a pedestrian's to it and make them a little bit safer as a crossing.

1498
02:14:58,540 --> 02:14:59,980
Number four, one hundredth and two.

1499
02:15:00,900 --> 02:15:14,600
This is a similar situation that we saw in the going from Westgate to 220F. There's not a single mark crossing, that's a little more than half a mile, and we'd like to remedy that by providing a crossing here at 220F.

1500
02:15:14,820 --> 02:15:24,900
Again, we already see pedestrian traffic at this intersection. There's just not necessarily doing it safely, so we're proposing some bullbels, some flashing beacons, and some strike.

1501
02:15:26,640 --> 02:15:32,100
Number five, this is the entrance to the old woodweight high school, just south of Westgate.

1502
02:15:33,160 --> 02:15:38,100
Right now, there's a crosswalk on the north side of the intersection, and pedestrian's interfere

1503
02:15:38,100 --> 02:15:40,860
with motorists who are turning left to go north on 100.

1504
02:15:41,540 --> 02:15:45,900
In fact, Council Member Laura Johnson identified during committee last week that she herself

1505
02:15:45,900 --> 02:15:51,900
has sat through this intersection from high school side to even three light cycles before she could get on to 100.

1506
02:15:52,440 --> 02:16:01,640
We'd like to remedy that as well, we'd like to move that crosswalk down to the other side of the intersection so that pedestrians will no longer interfere with turning vehicles.

1507
02:16:02,200 --> 02:16:05,660
This will clear the high school off quicker, which should streamline everybody.

1508
02:16:08,230 --> 02:16:12,390
You know, take a look at some of these costs, which as I mentioned earlier, not covered by the grant.

1509
02:16:12,870 --> 02:16:18,090
These are in your packets. I don't want to dwell on them too terribly, but if you want to help you a little bit.

1510
02:16:18,090 --> 02:16:23,570
If you look obviously designing construction costs, so speak for themselves, there is that bottom

1511
02:16:23,570 --> 02:16:28,270
set of rows at the bottom of your screen. We have the total cost per alternative and then

1512
02:16:28,270 --> 02:16:32,750
a running total. As we mentioned earlier, these are presented in terms in order of priority.

1513
02:16:33,270 --> 02:16:37,570
So as a for instance, if you look at the bottom of alternative 3, you'll see that the pet improvements

1514
02:16:37,570 --> 02:16:41,490
there by doing and the entrance to Sheldalli are expected to cost somewhere in the neighborhood of

1515
02:16:41,490 --> 02:16:46,410
$56,000. And the running total for 1 through 3 is $25,000.

1516
02:16:48,710 --> 02:16:49,990
So just a really quick look at

1517
02:16:49,990 --> 02:16:55,770
remaining schedule, we still expect to be able to complete design sometime this winter, that

1518
02:16:55,770 --> 02:17:00,690
would have us bidding in the late winter and going to construction in the spring. We expect

1519
02:17:00,690 --> 02:17:06,650
to have the work complete by the end of next year. So now I'm going to turn it over to Phil and

1520
02:17:06,650 --> 02:17:11,430
Rob and they will be able to build your questions. Yeah, Ryan, could you fill up as long as you're

1521
02:17:11,430 --> 02:17:17,210
still sharing the screen go back to that slide with the cues on it? Yeah, absolutely. I just wanted

1522
02:17:17,210 --> 02:17:27,830
So we want to turn it one alternative to let's go with alternative of one the bike length both bike lengths. Yeah, okay

1523
02:17:27,830 --> 02:17:36,490
So just to make sure we're clear on this I think it's kind of important. The red is that 50% Q so that would be the average

1524
02:17:37,870 --> 02:17:39,370
Q during the

1525
02:17:40,370 --> 02:17:44,010
PMP hour from 430 to 5 p.m. On a weekday

1526
02:17:44,010 --> 02:17:50,250
So basically worst case, that would be the average cue.

1527
02:17:50,450 --> 02:17:55,010
If you add the blue bar to the red bar in the lane that they're found,

1528
02:17:56,670 --> 02:17:59,240
that would take it to the 95th percentile,

1529
02:18:00,210 --> 02:18:02,370
where Ryan's talking about three minutes.

1530
02:18:02,450 --> 02:18:04,690
That's three minutes out of an hour.

1531
02:18:05,110 --> 02:18:08,590
That's, in other words, only three minutes in a given hour

1532
02:18:08,590 --> 02:18:12,930
would the cue exceed the combined blue and red cue.

1533
02:18:12,930 --> 02:18:22,190
Now, that's three minutes in a given hour, five days a week, so that's 15 minutes a week.

1534
02:18:22,670 --> 02:18:27,810
And if I did the math right, that's there's 10,000 somewhat minutes in a week.

1535
02:18:28,490 --> 02:18:36,050
So 99.85% of the time that you wouldn't see that on a 24 hour basis.

1536
02:18:36,050 --> 02:18:42,770
You know, so it is a fairly short period of time, but it's an acute and important period of time,

1537
02:18:42,970 --> 02:18:45,110
but you just have to put it in context.

1538
02:18:45,710 --> 02:18:49,570
This is a worst case look at things I just wanted to emphasize that.

1539
02:18:49,830 --> 02:18:50,910
Does that make sense?

1540
02:18:51,470 --> 02:18:52,930
Does anybody have any questions about that?

1541
02:18:55,650 --> 02:18:58,210
So, yeah, that's all I had to say at this point.

1542
02:19:03,420 --> 02:19:05,600
I have questions about your delay.

1543
02:19:06,600 --> 02:19:10,880
Councilor Laura Johnson, Councilor Dista Horst, Councilor Christian Johnson.

1544
02:19:13,570 --> 02:19:14,750
Thank you, ma'am.

1545
02:19:15,370 --> 02:19:25,390
So, okay, so we're adding bike lanes to encourage people of all ages to use them.

1546
02:19:26,650 --> 02:19:35,170
And, you know, with adding bike lanes approaching the West Lake intersection, we're encouraging bike riders to go through the Westgate intersection.

1547
02:19:35,170 --> 02:19:41,370
And your own document state that alternative one creates a complete network, an alternative

1548
02:19:41,370 --> 02:19:47,430
two does not, and cyclists will not consider this corridor to be as safe or as efficient

1549
02:19:47,430 --> 02:19:49,530
as alternative number one.

1550
02:19:50,310 --> 02:19:59,250
And under intangibles, one of the things is using alternate routes, and you know, as mentioned

1551
02:19:59,250 --> 02:20:08,030
earlier that one of the comments earlier talked about, you know, driver's using alternate routes.

1552
02:20:08,690 --> 02:20:15,210
So I understand, you know, the East West alternate routes, like 220F and 220F to avoid

1553
02:20:15,210 --> 02:20:21,650
Edmund's way. But the bike routes were planning for run north and south. So what are reasonable

1554
02:20:21,650 --> 02:20:29,010
North, and South alternate routes that your intangibles are supposed to be encompassing.

1555
02:20:31,440 --> 02:20:35,360
Well, there's not a lot of good North South routes in Edmunds.

1556
02:20:35,580 --> 02:20:37,480
They're absolutely right.

1557
02:20:39,160 --> 02:20:45,000
This is an important corridor, but it isn't a really a complete blockage either.

1558
02:20:46,400 --> 02:20:50,940
I don't think our recommendation is suggesting that, I think it's pretty obvious though,

1559
02:20:50,940 --> 02:20:56,860
be handier, more convenient, and a bit faster for bicyclists, of course, to just cycle

1560
02:20:56,860 --> 02:20:59,460
right through the intersection and a dedicated space.

1561
02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:04,440
We just don't have the real estate for that currently, without eliminating two travel lanes.

1562
02:21:04,740 --> 02:21:05,720
And so it's a balance.

1563
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:13,020
We were talking about this a couple of days ago, and that entire cycle time, which we didn't

1564
02:21:13,020 --> 02:21:19,420
define in our last conversation, I think, Pablo, you said the current timing is 130 seconds.

1565
02:21:19,420 --> 02:21:27,040
So it takes two minutes and 10 seconds for the green ball to come back, which the delays that

1566
02:21:27,040 --> 02:21:34,060
you're seeing are essentially, it could be that much for it to be zero.

1567
02:21:34,100 --> 02:21:38,480
If you happen to arrive at the intersection, it's just the right time, which never happens

1568
02:21:38,480 --> 02:21:42,660
to me, but it must happen to somebody, they're going to get the green ball and they'll be

1569
02:21:42,660 --> 02:21:50,140
delay. But with that cycle timing in place, there's going to be people on the back end that

1570
02:21:50,140 --> 02:21:56,260
will wait as long as we at least the model projects that they would have to wait that long

1571
02:21:56,260 --> 02:22:04,840
for the total of three minutes out of the PMP count, the combined cues. The average cues,

1572
02:22:04,980 --> 02:22:10,080
I think, are maybe a little more useful to think about. That's what you would likely experience

1573
02:22:10,080 --> 02:22:16,780
most of the time. You might have a little less, you might have a little more, but I think that's helpful.

1574
02:22:17,500 --> 02:22:23,240
The extreme case really is that, a pretty extreme case. But there is some interference.

1575
02:22:23,500 --> 02:22:28,760
You can't ignore that with driveway access. However, I don't know if you've been up there,

1576
02:22:28,760 --> 02:22:32,600
or some of you probably do, drive through there quite frequently. I know I happen.

1577
02:22:32,600 --> 02:22:40,600
You know, ready is a place where you can see a couple of light cycles go by and not get through

1578
02:22:40,600 --> 02:22:42,320
the direction you want to go.

1579
02:22:42,620 --> 02:22:48,620
And the longest key was the through movement, northbound, and I'm just trying to make sure you

1580
02:22:48,620 --> 02:22:54,340
have a context of what the balance is because there has been some attempt in these numbers you're seeing

1581
02:22:54,340 --> 02:23:01,880
to balance, it hasn't been really fine tuned yet, but to balance the delay for all phases of the

1582
02:23:01,880 --> 02:23:08,380
intersection, so you can take a little bit of green time from the SR104 side, even though

1583
02:23:08,380 --> 02:23:13,720
that is the dominant street movement with more vehicles on it, does not have bicycles on

1584
02:23:14,660 --> 02:23:21,500
it, but fairly very, very few, they're willing to do that. And you can take a few seconds

1585
02:23:21,500 --> 02:23:26,560
of green time from that and add it to the north-south movements, but it's a balance.

1586
02:23:31,340 --> 02:23:31,860
You're

1587
02:23:31,860 --> 02:23:39,180
And, you know, we could show you a ton of numbers on what that looks like, but it depends

1588
02:23:39,180 --> 02:23:41,180
on your perspective as to how much it means to you.

1589
02:23:41,240 --> 02:23:41,320
Right?

1590
02:23:41,320 --> 02:23:42,860
I guess that's all I can say.

1591
02:23:43,360 --> 02:23:47,140
I just want you to understand what these numbers mean.

1592
02:23:48,360 --> 02:23:53,420
I'm certainly with, you know, we're attempting to provide complete straights, working towards

1593
02:23:53,420 --> 02:23:54,000
that.

1594
02:23:54,340 --> 02:23:57,480
We're working hard to increase safety.

1595
02:23:57,480 --> 02:24:13,320
And then, you know, you made it really clear earlier, you know, that's a, you know, when we're talking these 28 seconds peak delayed between the 435 that it was worst case in that 99.95% of the time, it won't be.

1596
02:24:13,560 --> 02:24:22,100
And so it keeps adding up to make me question why we're not going with alternative one, when I keep hearing all of that.

1597
02:24:22,100 --> 02:24:35,160
I'm really struggling with why we're not, because you're saying we're not, but then the affirmation you're giving me leads me to believe that alternative one should be the preferred alternative.

1598
02:24:36,600 --> 02:24:43,360
So, I think if we have the additional space, it'd be a really obvious choice.

1599
02:24:43,360 --> 02:24:50,520
It's just that we don't and losing two travel lanes is also going to be important to people.

1600
02:24:52,680 --> 02:24:59,540
You know, right now you can look at the counts for bicycles at that intersection and they're very extremely low.

1601
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:02,740
They're very low.

1602
02:25:02,980 --> 02:25:07,700
But that's probably because people just look at it is something I don't even want to try to do.

1603
02:25:08,560 --> 02:25:10,600
I don't know how much weight you can put on that.

1604
02:25:10,600 --> 02:25:12,480
If you build it, will they come?

1605
02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:16,380
We have seen some of that in our other bike lane projects that we've done.

1606
02:25:16,720 --> 02:25:22,600
There's been a pretty dramatic growth and bicycle activity after we put in bike lanes.

1607
02:25:22,900 --> 02:25:24,740
I would expect that to occur here.

1608
02:25:26,790 --> 02:25:29,090
But how you feel about that is what's important.

1609
02:25:29,350 --> 02:25:32,090
We're not trying to lead you in a particular direction.

1610
02:25:32,150 --> 02:25:35,970
We've made a recommendation we think is a reasonable one for right now.

1611
02:25:36,310 --> 02:25:38,950
I think there can be a follow-on project.

1612
02:25:38,950 --> 02:25:44,990
I think we could put that on the CIP and begin to do some planning for what that would look like.

1613
02:25:45,130 --> 02:25:50,810
Try to acquire the funding to do it to add that second separated bike lane.

1614
02:25:52,890 --> 02:25:56,410
I mean that is our recommendation at the moment is to go ahead and do it that way.

1615
02:25:56,670 --> 02:26:03,590
Go with alternative to and try to acquire the rights to enough room to put it in the second bike lane.

1616
02:26:04,150 --> 02:26:08,730
If you're riding your bike, you're riding your bike somewhere and then you're returning from that somewhere.

1617
02:26:08,730 --> 02:26:11,750
So if, you know, if we really do want to see this to success,

1618
02:26:12,690 --> 02:26:16,310
it, I'm challenged with only providing half of it,

1619
02:26:16,310 --> 02:26:18,690
and I'm challenged that we're going to see that full,

1620
02:26:18,690 --> 02:26:22,290
you know, the full usage that we could have by only providing half of it,

1621
02:26:22,290 --> 02:26:25,090
because I can be safe one way, but not so much the other,

1622
02:26:25,650 --> 02:26:26,570
or, you know, that.

1623
02:26:26,890 --> 02:26:28,470
Well, you can be safe.

1624
02:26:28,910 --> 02:26:31,270
It's just, it's going to be some additional delay.

1625
02:26:31,810 --> 02:26:33,290
We were putting the ramps in.

1626
02:26:33,690 --> 02:26:37,350
You can, unless you're an incredibly confident cyclist,

1627
02:26:37,350 --> 02:26:42,050
and not bothered by it, you can certainly take the ramp, walk through the intersection like

1628
02:26:42,050 --> 02:26:46,350
a pedestrian, get back on the bike, keep on going, you know, dedicated bike lane.

1629
02:26:46,890 --> 02:26:51,130
I don't think it's the end of the world, but I understand the research that's been done

1630
02:26:51,130 --> 02:26:57,810
on that, and that is that is a, just seen as a real negative for bicyclists, and it probably

1631
02:26:57,810 --> 02:27:04,390
would impact, you know, the, the stimulus that this project would provide at some level.

1632
02:27:04,390 --> 02:27:18,050
I think if you're only going to put in one by plane, because that's what fits, I think we picked the right one in the PMB hours in Northbound Lane.

1633
02:27:21,020 --> 02:27:21,940
Thank you.

1634
02:27:23,340 --> 02:27:24,340
Councillor, just a little more.

1635
02:27:25,160 --> 02:27:26,760
So, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1636
02:27:27,500 --> 02:27:32,480
Council knows that I don't speak too often or for too long.

1637
02:27:32,820 --> 02:27:34,640
Tonight will indeed be different.

1638
02:27:35,720 --> 02:27:40,240
Thank you, Mr. Hague and Director Williams for your presentation again after seeing this last

1639
02:27:40,240 --> 02:27:42,280
week and many various times.

1640
02:27:42,620 --> 02:27:48,280
What would it be that the way to cyclists who have to go and use the crosswalk, a minimum

1641
02:27:48,280 --> 02:27:51,120
of 132 seconds, so two minutes.

1642
02:27:51,300 --> 02:27:57,040
No, I would say on average, again, I kind of believe in looking at the average, depending on

1643
02:27:57,040 --> 02:27:59,780
when you arrive at the intersection, it's going to dictate how long it takes.

1644
02:27:59,780 --> 02:28:06,600
It could be almost modulate and you're right across, but you probably would count on half that much.

1645
02:28:07,380 --> 02:28:11,400
So half the time you'd be there quicker half the time you'd be on the back end of that.

1646
02:28:11,720 --> 02:28:15,960
So usually like for transit headways, you would divide it by half.

1647
02:28:16,140 --> 02:28:21,360
So if it's, if it's 132nds, a little over single time, right, a little over a minute,

1648
02:28:21,420 --> 02:28:27,840
versus a potential worst case scenario of 28 seconds during 30 minutes of the day, right?

1649
02:28:28,480 --> 02:28:31,280
for the automobile, you're not doing it.

1650
02:28:31,300 --> 02:28:31,960
Yeah, right.

1651
02:28:33,360 --> 02:28:38,540
Yeah, now the delay on the center,

1652
02:28:39,300 --> 02:28:42,060
related just to the center through lane,

1653
02:28:42,200 --> 02:28:45,180
going north, one direction, long to skew.

1654
02:28:46,660 --> 02:28:49,580
That's currently, and Pablo, you might need to help me with this.

1655
02:28:49,580 --> 02:28:53,000
I recall that's currently around 47 seconds,

1656
02:28:53,340 --> 02:28:56,620
and it would go to something like 68 seconds.

1657
02:28:56,620 --> 02:29:03,200
So instead of 29 seconds on top of 209 seconds, that's the total intersection delay for that

1658
02:29:03,200 --> 02:29:03,920
one movement.

1659
02:29:04,160 --> 02:29:10,240
I think it's, you know, a pretty significant increase of 28 seconds over added to the current

1660
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:11,420
47 seconds.

1661
02:29:12,100 --> 02:29:12,140
Right.

1662
02:29:12,280 --> 02:29:14,200
But still totally, it's going to be shorter.

1663
02:29:15,320 --> 02:29:20,060
And still shorter than the average delay for someone on a bike, they say decide to take

1664
02:29:20,060 --> 02:29:20,760
the crosswalk.

1665
02:29:20,940 --> 02:29:21,800
Even at that extent.

1666
02:29:22,760 --> 02:29:23,300
Yes, I think that's.

1667
02:29:23,900 --> 02:29:24,120
Okay.

1668
02:29:24,300 --> 02:29:24,560
Thanks.

1669
02:29:24,560 --> 02:29:29,880
So one of the things we talked about in the committee last week was, actually one question,

1670
02:29:30,040 --> 02:29:34,560
maybe have you modeled how much time savings there will be for people turning right onto SR104,

1671
02:29:35,800 --> 02:29:42,220
southbound or 104 eastbound because now if they're the car in the through lane,

1672
02:29:42,400 --> 02:29:45,560
if we went with alternative one, or if you went with alternative two,

1673
02:29:45,820 --> 02:29:51,600
and there's a car in the through lane going straight, but there are three cars behind it that want to turn right,

1674
02:29:51,600 --> 02:29:54,100
and are blocked by that through lane car,

1675
02:29:54,380 --> 02:29:55,960
would having that right turn lane now.

1676
02:29:55,980 --> 02:29:58,480
How much time would those vehicles save?

1677
02:29:58,480 --> 02:29:59,220
Has that been modeled?

1678
02:30:00,050 --> 02:30:05,430
Well, they certainly don't have that off the top of my head. We can take a look at that and get back to you on that.

1679
02:30:06,150 --> 02:30:13,470
Okay. So, I mean, overall what I heard was pedestrian improvements, five projects. Mr. Hague said, safety safety safety.

1680
02:30:14,130 --> 02:30:28,710
I'm fully there. I support all those five projects. Council receives public comments. We receive emails all the time. People want enhanced public safety related to being a pedestrian, being on a scooter, being on a sidewalk.

1681
02:30:29,670 --> 02:30:38,350
But we can't couple that with a bike lane project for non-motorized access that does not prioritize safety.

1682
02:30:39,290 --> 02:30:45,050
So when we look at adding two bike lanes, I mean bike lanes in these days are really the bare minimum.

1683
02:30:45,530 --> 02:30:53,870
I mean, Sheros are pretty insulting and there are a lot of studies that are coming out that Sheros actually decrease safety as opposed to increasing safety.

1684
02:30:53,870 --> 02:30:59,470
I actually went back through the sound transit access grant comments for the awards for the

1685
02:30:59,470 --> 02:30:59,830
grant.

1686
02:31:00,230 --> 02:31:01,370
And I love this comment.

1687
02:31:01,470 --> 02:31:06,810
It says Edmunds needs to construct protected bike lanes, not ineffective painted lanes

1688
02:31:06,810 --> 02:31:07,650
and cheros.

1689
02:31:08,170 --> 02:31:11,630
None of this money should go to that kind of outdated infrastructure.

1690
02:31:12,330 --> 02:31:14,570
Use better designs now that are safer.

1691
02:31:15,070 --> 02:31:20,990
Pay attention to where your plan makes bicyclists across the street, especially around highway

1692
02:31:20,990 --> 02:31:26,770
interchanges, and this I know I've provided to you and to Council, but Wastot historically

1693
02:31:26,770 --> 02:31:31,670
pretty conservative organization when it comes to active transportation came out with

1694
02:31:31,670 --> 02:31:39,590
the new active transportation program plan one this May, and they've produced public engagement

1695
02:31:39,590 --> 02:31:47,670
and some graphics around bicycle level, right? Bicycle, a level of traffic stress, right?

1696
02:31:48,670 --> 02:31:56,730
So that really looks at what type of facilities you have and who will use them depending on how stressful it is.

1697
02:31:57,110 --> 02:32:04,830
So when you look at our buffered bike lanes, which our design has south of 104 and also north of 104,

1698
02:32:05,430 --> 02:32:09,510
82% of people feel comfortable using that infrastructure.

1699
02:32:10,030 --> 02:32:14,630
They have a dedicated bike lane as well as a buffer between moving traffic.

1700
02:32:14,630 --> 02:32:20,030
When you look at our design for 104 with the Sheros,

1701
02:32:20,730 --> 02:32:23,850
1% of people on bikes will use that infrastructure.

1702
02:32:25,050 --> 02:32:26,630
So your slide is totally right.

1703
02:32:26,910 --> 02:32:29,350
It doesn't create a full network.

1704
02:32:29,770 --> 02:32:32,370
It doesn't create a phase environment,

1705
02:32:32,890 --> 02:32:35,890
and it's only going to have the bare minimum of use

1706
02:32:35,890 --> 02:32:37,690
from people who are already using it,

1707
02:32:37,730 --> 02:32:39,550
because there's absolutely no upgrade.

1708
02:32:40,250 --> 02:32:43,370
You know, I don't want to out specific public work staff,

1709
02:32:43,370 --> 02:32:44,750
but I've asked public work staff,

1710
02:32:44,890 --> 02:32:46,910
would you ride this intersection to the share rows

1711
02:32:46,910 --> 02:32:48,450
and you say no?

1712
02:32:49,130 --> 02:32:50,550
I'm wondering if any other council members

1713
02:32:50,550 --> 02:32:51,690
have written this intersection?

1714
02:32:53,550 --> 02:32:54,750
Here we go, right?

1715
02:32:55,710 --> 02:32:57,090
Staff, anyone?

1716
02:32:57,690 --> 02:32:59,390
I mean, it's a bad intersection.

1717
02:32:59,870 --> 02:33:00,750
Mr. Hague, thank you.

1718
02:33:00,850 --> 02:33:02,830
I mean, you know, it's a bad intersection

1719
02:33:02,830 --> 02:33:05,150
and share rows won't improve that.

1720
02:33:05,370 --> 02:33:08,110
We have schools, we have parks, we have businesses

1721
02:33:08,630 --> 02:33:12,250
that people can access by something other than a motor vehicle

1722
02:33:12,250 --> 02:33:17,030
But if we don't provide that infrastructure, it won't get used.

1723
02:33:17,870 --> 02:33:22,470
I'm a little concerned with a statement about addressing this project in two five or ten years,

1724
02:33:22,910 --> 02:33:26,790
because what you're doing is holding the safety of someone on a bike hostage

1725
02:33:26,790 --> 02:33:29,010
for a future grant opportunity.

1726
02:33:29,890 --> 02:33:32,030
I mean, this is a non-motorized grant.

1727
02:33:32,210 --> 02:33:35,850
It needs to prioritize non-motorized transportation.

1728
02:33:36,450 --> 02:33:38,590
That's included in our climate action plan.

1729
02:33:38,870 --> 02:33:41,330
That's included in our comprehensive plan.

1730
02:33:41,330 --> 02:33:46,750
If we build for cars, we're going to get more car than you're not going to see that mode shift that we want.

1731
02:33:47,750 --> 02:33:51,370
I'm also a little concerned about the fiscal implications of doing it in the future.

1732
02:33:52,030 --> 02:33:58,190
We have an opportunity right now to achieve both the bicycle connected, like the connection of the network,

1733
02:33:58,710 --> 02:34:01,710
as well as the safety without extending more money.

1734
02:34:02,450 --> 02:34:07,130
Going out and looking at future grant opportunities is going to mean more money.

1735
02:34:07,130 --> 02:34:12,290
It's actually going to take land away from the businesses to acquire that right of way.

1736
02:34:12,450 --> 02:34:16,310
It means buying land from those businesses on the intersection. Is that correct?

1737
02:34:17,370 --> 02:34:23,010
Yes. Or, yeah. If we happen to get fortunate and there's some redevelopment that takes place,

1738
02:34:23,150 --> 02:34:28,510
we can certainly get that to happen there without the investment of municipal dollars.

1739
02:34:29,430 --> 02:34:33,630
Okay, so if they decide to tear down any of those businesses and grow the right of way,

1740
02:34:33,630 --> 02:34:35,390
reconfigure them or whatever.

1741
02:34:35,910 --> 02:34:41,650
Right, but we could also achieve that right now without requiring to take further right of way

1742
02:34:41,650 --> 02:34:45,030
with the current design of alternative one.

1743
02:34:45,790 --> 02:34:50,290
And I know widening intersections means adding more infrastructure that we need to maintain.

1744
02:34:50,910 --> 02:34:57,590
I know in previous conversations we've talked about our annual road maintenance program needs to be closer to two million

1745
02:34:57,590 --> 02:35:02,350
to achieve kind of the ongoing maintenance, you know,

1746
02:35:02,450 --> 02:35:04,350
worldwide name means more maintenance,

1747
02:35:04,570 --> 02:35:06,310
and we're under funding our current maintenance.

1748
02:35:06,730 --> 02:35:10,490
So I'd like to see a better achieve maintenance

1749
02:35:10,490 --> 02:35:13,310
of our current network and not expanding our roads

1750
02:35:13,310 --> 02:35:15,830
that we're currently under funding for the future.

1751
02:35:16,770 --> 02:35:19,890
I mean, I could, you know, I could go all night on this stuff.

1752
02:35:20,350 --> 02:35:22,530
I'll turn to one provides real safety.

1753
02:35:22,990 --> 02:35:24,350
It provides real connections.

1754
02:35:24,350 --> 02:35:31,510
Bicolines have been proven through many studies here in our region and in many areas to increase

1755
02:35:31,510 --> 02:35:36,670
ridership to actually support businesses because you're providing multiple options for people

1756
02:35:36,670 --> 02:35:43,510
to access those businesses as opposed to just in vehicles. I really hope Council understands

1757
02:35:43,510 --> 02:35:48,970
the safety implications of this. We have a council member whose relative was hit on their bike

1758
02:35:48,970 --> 02:35:50,950
by a driver in this intersection.

1759
02:35:51,470 --> 02:35:54,070
And we need to listen to these experiences

1760
02:35:54,500 --> 02:35:57,270
and understand that we have to do our best

1761
02:35:57,270 --> 02:35:59,490
to provide a safe environment for people

1762
02:35:59,490 --> 02:36:01,790
who are outside of vehicles.

1763
02:36:02,270 --> 02:36:04,870
I mean, basic mobility is a human right

1764
02:36:04,870 --> 02:36:07,210
and designing only around vehicles

1765
02:36:07,210 --> 02:36:09,430
is just not sustainable for our climate

1766
02:36:09,430 --> 02:36:13,410
or for our safety or for just our future.

1767
02:36:14,410 --> 02:36:17,330
So thanks for listening to me, Rand and Ray,

1768
02:36:17,410 --> 02:36:18,510
if I appreciate it.

1769
02:36:20,110 --> 02:36:24,150
That's me, because you're on drugs and then you're also in the council president, and then you're in the council room.

1770
02:36:27,810 --> 02:36:35,530
Well, Mr. Council member, just a horse, I have to disagree with both of your comments.

1771
02:36:37,370 --> 02:36:40,990
And before I get into that, I like to ask Mr. Hague.

1772
02:36:41,210 --> 02:36:46,770
You said that alternative one will drop level of service C to D.

1773
02:36:46,770 --> 02:36:51,770
And do you mean that in which year today?

1774
02:36:54,330 --> 02:36:56,350
That's pretty in, right?

1775
02:36:57,050 --> 02:36:58,910
And how will correct me if I'm wrong on this?

1776
02:36:59,110 --> 02:37:02,770
But I believe that drops our level service from a seat to a D.

1777
02:37:03,330 --> 02:37:03,970
Yes, immediately.

1778
02:37:04,850 --> 02:37:05,430
Immediately.

1779
02:37:05,990 --> 02:37:08,870
I'm right in the forecast.

1780
02:37:09,670 --> 02:37:12,630
We provided it is based on the 2030.

1781
02:37:12,630 --> 02:37:22,750
which includes traffic growth and some some development projects that were provided by C.

1782
02:37:23,290 --> 02:37:27,890
So that would be not today immediately, but in 2030.

1783
02:37:29,270 --> 02:37:29,910
That's correct.

1784
02:37:32,230 --> 02:37:35,710
And even for your added significant more delay.

1785
02:37:36,370 --> 02:37:40,310
Those numbers just don't add up to me, but we can discuss that later.

1786
02:37:40,310 --> 02:37:47,070
I just want to make a few points based on the transportation element of our comprehensive

1787
02:37:47,070 --> 02:37:48,090
plan.

1788
02:37:48,450 --> 02:37:51,490
9th Avenue and 100th is the minor arterial.

1789
02:37:51,830 --> 02:37:55,770
The posted speed is 30 miles per hour.

1790
02:37:56,490 --> 02:38:00,970
And SR104 is a highway of statewide significance.

1791
02:38:01,170 --> 02:38:04,890
This is a very important intersection in our city.

1792
02:38:04,890 --> 02:38:16,890
And that intersection was the second highest collision rate in the city on data collected from 2009 to 2014.

1793
02:38:17,690 --> 02:38:20,810
During that period there were 90,000 collisions.

1794
02:38:21,910 --> 02:38:25,970
I really think that alternative one would be a mistake.

1795
02:38:25,970 --> 02:38:35,890
because you're pitting a 2,000 pound vehicle next to, you know, a couple of 100 pounds for

1796
02:38:35,890 --> 02:38:42,150
whoever happens to be writing that if it's a child, it's only a hundred pounds. I think that

1797
02:38:42,150 --> 02:38:49,350
it's intrinsically unsafe. I'm a bicyclist and I would not like to be in those quote-unquote

1798
02:38:49,350 --> 02:38:57,090
protected lanes. I would rather just dismount and cross out the intersection and there are

1799
02:38:57,090 --> 02:39:04,650
really two kinds of bicyclists. There's the recreational bicyclists, children's families out

1800
02:39:04,650 --> 02:39:10,930
for a ride and then there's the serious bicyclists and they can actually be in any lane. They

1801
02:39:10,930 --> 02:39:19,190
choose if they're skill. And I think that it's a fault premise that is quote and quote protected

1802
02:39:19,190 --> 02:39:25,550
lanes will protect people because you're looking at turning movements and through movements

1803
02:39:25,550 --> 02:39:36,710
and there are just too many potentials for conflict. And so I really think that ultimate of one

1804
02:39:36,710 --> 02:39:46,270
would be a mistake. And we are talking about a road. We're not talking about making it the most

1805
02:39:46,270 --> 02:39:52,510
efficient for bicyclists, but we're talking about all the users of the road. And quite frankly,

1806
02:39:53,130 --> 02:40:03,750
I put more value on the experience of the driver than truck driver and car driver than the bicyclists.

1807
02:40:03,750 --> 02:40:15,050
Yes, we want a multi-modal system. Yes, we got $1.85 million from sound transit, but I think we need to go back to the drawing board.

1808
02:40:15,370 --> 02:40:21,250
Maybe come up with alternative 3 because I don't think alternative 1 does the job.

1809
02:40:22,370 --> 02:40:28,030
And alternative 2 is half a program. So those are my comments.

1810
02:40:29,340 --> 02:40:35,200
And I'd like to add that I have more later when we talk about the pedestrian improvements.

1811
02:40:35,500 --> 02:40:38,740
But right now, I want to focus on the bike improvements.

1812
02:40:41,800 --> 02:40:45,160
Well, the 15-minute timeframe, definitely not accurate for this weekend.

1813
02:40:46,120 --> 02:40:47,180
I'm Casino Wilson.

1814
02:40:48,000 --> 02:40:51,280
Yeah, first of all, I wanted to thank the team.

1815
02:40:51,540 --> 02:40:55,340
This was one of the projects where I hadn't followed it all the way through.

1816
02:40:55,380 --> 02:40:58,940
I literally did see the public and put get implemented

1817
02:40:58,940 --> 02:41:05,960
and take it into consideration and design changes that reflects that, and I really appreciate that so much,

1818
02:41:05,960 --> 02:41:14,320
and I know the public does, too. I would say that alternate one does not do that. Not for me having

1819
02:41:14,320 --> 02:41:19,300
followed that process all the way through, frankly, even from the beginning when we were deciding whether

1820
02:41:19,300 --> 02:41:27,180
or not we were going to accept this grant. Parking was a priority on my W down that way, and also that

1821
02:41:27,180 --> 02:41:32,700
intersection and the high volume of car traffic that it gets and the delays that were anticipated

1822
02:41:32,700 --> 02:41:39,060
at that intersection were protested from the beginning when we weren't even looking at accepting

1823
02:41:39,060 --> 02:41:44,880
this grant. It just goes to show what a different lens different people can bring to this thing

1824
02:41:44,880 --> 02:41:51,300
but honestly for me seeing alternate one even for post kind of made me angry from hearing all the

1825
02:41:51,300 --> 02:41:53,160
and puts all the way through.

1826
02:41:53,620 --> 02:41:56,660
Downgrading that intersection, level of service from a C,

1827
02:41:56,860 --> 02:41:59,280
which is not that great, a grade, let me just say,

1828
02:41:59,400 --> 02:42:02,720
to a D, I think it's completely unacceptable.

1829
02:42:03,580 --> 02:42:05,740
And we do possibly, and the future

1830
02:42:05,740 --> 02:42:08,580
have some infrastructure money that might be coming.

1831
02:42:09,140 --> 02:42:11,580
And I think expanding that intersection

1832
02:42:11,580 --> 02:42:13,800
and having it all and putting the bike lanes

1833
02:42:13,800 --> 02:42:16,480
into that intersection in the future might really

1834
02:42:16,480 --> 02:42:20,180
be a good way of spending some infrastructure money,

1835
02:42:20,180 --> 02:42:45,500
But to have such extraordinary delays in the big picture it just doesn't make sense and it's not just about the cars versus the bicycles and we've already established that we have very few bikers and that not all of them are in such a hurry that they can't just get off their bike on those off ramps that we're talking about providing to them and take that minute and a minute and a half week.

1836
02:42:45,500 --> 02:42:52,120
Instead of having all of the cars, which are very high in volume, having 20 second delays,

1837
02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:59,460
I don't think that that minute or minute and a half for the bike rider delay makes sense

1838
02:42:59,460 --> 02:43:06,440
for to take that choice instead of the 20 second delay, especially because of the climate impact.

1839
02:43:06,940 --> 02:43:13,500
You know, the idling of all those extra cars at that intersection for those extra 20 seconds is pollution.

1840
02:43:13,500 --> 02:43:21,280
So, I mean, we're not achieving the climate goals that is a big thing that's behind wanting to have the bike lanes in the first place.

1841
02:43:22,060 --> 02:43:32,020
So, I was excited that we were doing this. If we ended up actually having this happen, I would feel like it was a huge breach of trust for the public.

1842
02:43:32,020 --> 02:43:36,780
back to the original thing about taking the grant money in the first place.

1843
02:43:37,180 --> 02:43:41,260
They did not want to wait at the next year of 20 seconds at that intersection.

1844
02:43:42,720 --> 02:43:45,500
And you know, we're kind of told that they wouldn't be doing that.

1845
02:43:45,940 --> 02:43:52,560
So for me, our two alternatives should have been to have no changes at that intersection at all,

1846
02:43:52,900 --> 02:43:59,020
except to have offerings from the bike lanes onto the sidewalks so that people could walk across.

1847
02:43:59,020 --> 02:44:05,840
us, you know, and or Sherrows if that's not less safe, I didn't know that that was until today,

1848
02:44:06,400 --> 02:44:11,980
but I'm either Sherrows through that intersection or get off the bike at that intersection only

1849
02:44:11,980 --> 02:44:16,380
when we've got all the other great, you know, things that have been upgraded and then hopefully

1850
02:44:16,380 --> 02:44:22,400
down the road get back to it. But in the short term, having this huge negative impact at this

1851
02:44:22,400 --> 02:44:29,120
intersection and downgrading the intersection for the purpose of, you know, adding the bike lanes.

1852
02:44:30,000 --> 02:44:44,860
I think alternate two might be a reasonable compromise, but I think, you know, not having the bike lanes in the intersection at all would be the alternate relative to that that I think we should be considering an absolutely not alternate one.

1853
02:44:49,620 --> 02:44:55,400
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Director Williams, and the rest of the team for all of this work they've put together.

1854
02:44:55,400 --> 02:44:59,960
And it seems like we've come a long way and in review.

1855
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:08,920
Viewing our past emails, I put them all into an email folder, we had a lot of comments and we've had

1856
02:45:08,920 --> 02:45:16,180
a lot of movement around this whole discussion with bike lanes. I believe it was council member

1857
02:45:16,180 --> 02:45:27,900
Christiana Johnson. When we first started talking about this, she pointed out that parking is in

1858
02:45:27,900 --> 02:45:35,660
that, you know, it's not, it's not a personal parking spot, but that's a city owned thing.

1859
02:45:36,640 --> 02:45:42,540
So, along 9th Avenue, what I like, and I have, and I have like this, and I'm not a confident

1860
02:45:42,540 --> 02:45:50,460
biker, and I would really prefer to have, you know, designated bike lanes, both directions.

1861
02:45:50,460 --> 02:45:58,300
And we also had a lot of comments last time around from people who are loving their electric

1862
02:45:58,300 --> 02:45:58,680
bikes.

1863
02:45:58,900 --> 02:46:02,720
The e-bikes movement makes things so much easier and so much better.

1864
02:46:03,320 --> 02:46:10,500
Ninth Avenue that comes across to 100th is fantastic flat, as soon as you get some of the

1865
02:46:10,500 --> 02:46:16,620
hills, you get to a whole new part of the city on a regular bike or even on an e-bike.

1866
02:46:16,760 --> 02:46:20,440
You can do your grocery shopping on an e-bike and you can carry some things along

1867
02:46:20,440 --> 02:46:23,420
you could bring up picnic to the park on an e-bike.

1868
02:46:25,000 --> 02:46:30,740
That's what I think we are missing talking about sometimes when we look at

1869
02:46:30,740 --> 02:46:38,580
accessing some of our other areas of town. Getting across 104, 104 does really

1870
02:46:38,580 --> 02:46:43,520
divide the entire city into a whole new quadrant, you know, dissection.

1871
02:46:44,140 --> 02:46:48,480
And it's not something that we should take lightly. We heard earlier from one of our

1872
02:46:48,480 --> 02:46:54,660
that there is, there are inequities that are built into some of our decisions that are made.

1873
02:46:55,140 --> 02:47:02,580
This is an opportunity for us to look at how we can provide some equity of additional infrastructure

1874
02:47:02,580 --> 02:47:12,500
that will connect across 104. 104 is terrifying. I'm always scared when I see students crossing to go down to Sherwood

1875
02:47:12,500 --> 02:47:18,780
When they crossed down 104, often 15th to head down to show it because they have to cross 104.

1876
02:47:19,020 --> 02:47:26,020
We've had multiple fatalities based just right off of 104 over and over again across the years.

1877
02:47:26,140 --> 02:47:30,040
We haven't had them in a few years and thank goodness because it's just terrifying.

1878
02:47:30,300 --> 02:47:36,220
People come blasting up the road from the very terminal, eager to get where they want to go.

1879
02:47:36,960 --> 02:47:41,960
I like building things out because it slows people down, having slow roads, make them safer roads.

1880
02:47:42,500 --> 02:47:52,280
And so, essentially, where I am landing is I would like to see alternate one put into place.

1881
02:47:52,920 --> 02:47:59,440
And in addition to that, I really respect all the work that you've done to listen to the community over and over and over again.

1882
02:48:00,080 --> 02:48:06,860
We've got good pedestrian information for us to put into place.

1883
02:48:06,860 --> 02:48:08,320
And that's a separate topic.

1884
02:48:08,700 --> 02:48:10,240
I agree with Council Member Christiana Johnson

1885
02:48:10,240 --> 02:48:12,340
that that may not be for tonight

1886
02:48:12,340 --> 02:48:15,000
because we're just in the dreaming stage.

1887
02:48:15,280 --> 02:48:18,520
And I think that these are really solid ideas

1888
02:48:19,280 --> 02:48:21,940
that alternate ones through five,

1889
02:48:22,340 --> 02:48:24,740
they really look like they are addressing real needs.

1890
02:48:24,980 --> 02:48:27,800
I use to live on 14th of the state Southwest,

1891
02:48:28,360 --> 02:48:30,420
which connects up to 224th.

1892
02:48:30,760 --> 02:48:32,720
And I was just a couple of houses down the hill.

1893
02:48:33,120 --> 02:48:35,320
There are people who will take those shortcuts.

1894
02:48:35,320 --> 02:48:39,780
And they'll take those short cuts in in ways that tear and climate, the girls and I always

1895
02:48:39,780 --> 02:48:44,820
talked about the angry, red, Volvo station wagon because it kept tearing up that hill.

1896
02:48:45,620 --> 02:48:50,820
And people do take those short cuts through residential neighborhoods, not recognizing

1897
02:48:50,820 --> 02:48:54,080
that, to me, that's where we have a lot of kids walking around.

1898
02:48:55,460 --> 02:49:03,320
And having ninth avenue and 100th avenue available for bikers really adds to some dimensionality

1899
02:49:03,320 --> 02:49:11,200
for our transportation system, Council Member Disilhorst described it really well in technical terms,

1900
02:49:11,600 --> 02:49:17,280
but in terms of adding usability and accessibility across there with a different mode of

1901
02:49:17,280 --> 02:49:23,940
transportation, really is kind of important for all of us and we're also connecting another

1902
02:49:23,940 --> 02:49:32,460
part of the city with, you know, our most dense areas. So I really like the idea of alternate

1903
02:49:32,460 --> 02:49:38,620
one because it does focus on safety and we have asked for safety over and over and over again

1904
02:49:38,620 --> 02:49:44,120
and that's been loud and clear from the entire community as well that we do want safety. Yes,

1905
02:49:44,260 --> 02:49:49,940
there's some delays with safety but I don't think that anyone of us wants to see anybody injured

1906
02:49:49,940 --> 02:49:57,740
or harmed. And yes, it was one of my family members who did get hit there on his bike, and it just, you know,

1907
02:49:57,860 --> 02:50:02,060
no one wants to go through that. No one wants to get a call from their family member saying,

1908
02:50:02,300 --> 02:50:07,620
hey, I'm not the intersection. I've just been hit by a car because he is visiting my house. Anyway,

1909
02:50:08,020 --> 02:50:14,800
thank you for letting me talk about that. But it's important that we do focus on safety and also

1910
02:50:14,800 --> 02:50:20,860
and connectivity with the equity lens that is a big part of that too.

1911
02:50:22,680 --> 02:50:23,440
That's my question.

1912
02:50:24,320 --> 02:50:26,720
I guess we're all seeming to ramble on a lot.

1913
02:50:27,140 --> 02:50:28,840
I just want to look at some facts here.

1914
02:50:29,220 --> 02:50:31,480
I'm not in favor of either alternative.

1915
02:50:32,300 --> 02:50:33,760
I do believe in safety.

1916
02:50:34,200 --> 02:50:35,780
I believe that there are other alternatives.

1917
02:50:36,160 --> 02:50:38,860
I've seen bikers that have gone 95th.

1918
02:50:39,000 --> 02:50:40,940
I've seen bikers that have come down on 7th.

1919
02:50:40,940 --> 02:50:43,120
They drop down woodway.

1920
02:50:43,660 --> 02:50:49,440
This is a very intersection that I'm sorry Mr. Desfock. It's already been built.

1921
02:50:49,980 --> 02:50:56,960
This is a major thoroughfare that has traffic allor. We have turned signals going.

1922
02:50:57,040 --> 02:50:59,500
We have people turning right. We have people turning left. We have people turning left.

1923
02:50:59,500 --> 02:51:04,420
We have people going to the QSC. I think it's just a dangerous situation.

1924
02:51:05,100 --> 02:51:10,380
I have read all the comments. I don't recall this in saying this.

1925
02:51:10,380 --> 02:51:16,720
do we call there are a lot of staff members that we're in support of having these these type

1926
02:51:16,720 --> 02:51:22,960
of this intersection, but my point is the facts show there are not a lot of bikers

1927
02:51:22,960 --> 02:51:29,940
that are biking this intersection and the counts is down. I don't have a problem with

1928
02:51:29,940 --> 02:51:36,180
them being on 9th. I don't have a problem with them being on Baudin or Gioce. I agree with

1929
02:51:36,180 --> 02:51:38,580
but Council Member Christiana Johnson has said,

1930
02:51:38,860 --> 02:51:40,340
but the fact of the matter is,

1931
02:51:40,400 --> 02:51:42,520
I do not believe we should do either alternative

1932
02:51:42,520 --> 02:51:46,180
until we actually have maybe an open house again,

1933
02:51:46,200 --> 02:51:49,120
because the fact of the matter is,

1934
02:51:49,220 --> 02:51:51,420
we have heard a lot of things from the citizens

1935
02:51:51,420 --> 02:51:53,140
that do not want this.

1936
02:51:53,300 --> 02:51:54,840
They did not want the bike lanes.

1937
02:51:54,900 --> 02:51:56,920
They did not want the bike lanes at Westgate.

1938
02:51:57,060 --> 02:51:59,100
They did not want this to happen

1939
02:51:59,100 --> 02:52:00,300
and suddenly it's happening.

1940
02:52:01,840 --> 02:52:06,080
And I find it's baffling that we would support,

1941
02:52:06,080 --> 02:52:12,880
I agree. We need to move to where all this diversity, and we need to all have equity, where

1942
02:52:12,880 --> 02:52:20,600
bikers can travel with cars, but I can assure you that in Portland, when Sam Adams

1943
02:52:20,600 --> 02:52:26,280
was mayor, they did the same thing. And it was a disaster. It was a total disaster. So the

1944
02:52:26,280 --> 02:52:31,240
fact of the matter is, and I know it's not your main to this topic, my issue is, if you read

1945
02:52:31,240 --> 02:52:37,220
comments from Edmund citizens. The Edmund citizens were very clear that this was a very

1946
02:52:37,220 --> 02:52:42,700
dangerous intersection. And there's nothing wrong for the forest to go back to where they

1947
02:52:42,700 --> 02:52:48,860
can we need to keep it on that particular intersection. They can go ahead and take get off their

1948
02:52:48,860 --> 02:52:57,000
bike and walk across. The biggest issue I see is that we are, our ferry is the highest in terms

1949
02:52:57,000 --> 02:53:04,740
of industry. We have the most economic drivers people coming off and on that ferry. That 104 is

1950
02:53:04,740 --> 02:53:11,360
the thoroughfare. And you wanted to, you know, change the classification of it as well. So,

1951
02:53:11,360 --> 02:53:16,120
I just think that this is something that we need to look at more carefully. And yes, we do

1952
02:53:16,120 --> 02:53:21,100
want pedestrian safety. And yes, we do want bicycle safety. But the fact of the matter is,

1953
02:53:21,100 --> 02:53:24,160
This is a very busy intersection.

1954
02:53:24,640 --> 02:53:26,560
And it will always be a busy intersection,

1955
02:53:26,880 --> 02:53:28,300
even if we get rid of cars,

1956
02:53:28,640 --> 02:53:31,500
just because of the location, of the ferry,

1957
02:53:31,680 --> 02:53:33,660
the location of all of those businesses,

1958
02:53:34,240 --> 02:53:37,280
the location of the residents as well.

1959
02:53:37,740 --> 02:53:41,260
So I'm in favor of going back to the drawing board.

1960
02:53:45,900 --> 02:53:47,280
Councillor Fairley-Mandellus,

1961
02:53:47,400 --> 02:53:49,640
and then Councillor Puzzle, and then Councillor Wormison.

1962
02:53:50,960 --> 02:53:52,340
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1963
02:53:52,340 --> 02:53:57,200
First off, I'd like to point out that we're almost an hour into this 15-minute discussion.

1964
02:53:57,780 --> 02:54:00,540
And I'm not sure we're going to get this result tonight, frankly.

1965
02:54:02,320 --> 02:54:15,520
You know, I do think that it's a safer position for bikers to walk their bikes across 104 at that intersection.

1966
02:54:15,520 --> 02:54:34,860
I do understand that. I've been writing that intersection for 50 years. And, you know, I do know it's a very busy intersection, but I also know that a lot of the comments we received regarding this coming down 9th Avenue had to do with parking.

1967
02:54:34,860 --> 02:54:43,880
And homeowners view that the parking in front of their house is they're parking and it's not anybody else is parking.

1968
02:54:44,420 --> 02:54:47,260
And I guess I've got some concerns about that.

1969
02:54:47,740 --> 02:54:55,260
And I believe I stated this before that I thought that perhaps if somebody was playing in that to be their parking,

1970
02:54:55,440 --> 02:55:03,660
then I'd like to see the tax base on that because that is a piece of property that belongs to the city.

1971
02:55:03,660 --> 02:55:33,460
So I don't I don't have a problem with putting bike lanes moving back and forth, but and this is I suppose is kind of where I fall in between somewhere, but I do have a problem with 104 and 100 their ninth and and bikes coming across that intersection that's a very dangerous intersection from somebody that spent a lot of time on those corners there, it it has a number of issues and I do think it does have a lot to do with the ferry system.

1972
02:55:34,100 --> 02:55:39,980
So, any man, I don't have an easy answer for this, but I also don't want us to throw the baby out with the bath water.

1973
02:55:40,720 --> 02:55:44,740
Her say, I think that we need to perhaps...

1974
02:55:45,680 --> 02:55:50,760
Maybe get some questions answered about a halfway between, but anyway, thanks.

1975
02:55:53,100 --> 02:55:58,360
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd like to make two motions right now.

1976
02:55:58,360 --> 02:56:08,620
one to extend to 1025 so that we can get to the last item on our agenda, and

1977
02:56:08,620 --> 02:56:10,620
is there a second date?

1978
02:56:10,880 --> 02:56:11,580
Okay, 1025.

1979
02:56:12,660 --> 02:56:13,460
Discussion,

1980
02:56:15,620 --> 02:56:22,520
all those in favor to extend till 1025 show of hands, all those opposed, motion

1981
02:56:22,520 --> 02:56:23,200
passes.

1982
02:56:23,200 --> 02:56:40,340
The second motion is I'd like to pause this discussion until the October 5th meeting and then come up with having complete questions and continue this discussion to October 5th.

1983
02:56:40,340 --> 02:56:44,640
That's our next available date.

1984
02:56:45,240 --> 02:56:45,860
Your second.

1985
02:56:46,600 --> 02:56:48,700
I'll second it but I'd like to speak.

1986
02:56:49,200 --> 02:56:51,120
It's moving a second in discussion.

1987
02:56:51,500 --> 02:56:52,380
We can ask that for emails.

1988
02:56:53,280 --> 02:56:54,540
Yeah, I think it's great.

1989
02:56:54,800 --> 02:56:56,940
Perhaps we can look at some of the items.

1990
02:56:57,560 --> 02:56:59,880
But I don't want to see us undercut this item again.

1991
02:56:59,940 --> 02:57:04,120
I think 15 minutes for an hour topic at this point is crazy.

1992
02:57:04,660 --> 02:57:07,040
So I mean, if we're going to have it there,

1993
02:57:07,080 --> 02:57:09,520
I want to see us take the time to discuss it,

1994
02:57:09,640 --> 02:57:11,480
and not feel like we have to hurry through

1995
02:57:11,480 --> 02:57:14,700
because we have multiple things coming on us.

1996
02:57:14,940 --> 02:57:18,420
So if that's the time we have the most amount of time

1997
02:57:18,420 --> 02:57:24,140
available, I would suggest that that be appropriate, and it not be scheduled for 15 minutes.

1998
02:57:24,400 --> 02:57:25,420
Thank you.

1999
02:57:26,300 --> 02:57:27,080
That's a lot of options.

2000
02:57:27,860 --> 02:57:31,600
And I guess the question I have is we all have made our points here.

2001
02:57:31,720 --> 02:57:34,880
We're going to have the meeting on October 5th and make the same points again.

2002
02:57:35,900 --> 02:57:40,040
I guess I would think that I am looking for a different resolution.

2003
02:57:40,300 --> 02:57:45,540
So I don't know what how you want to handle this, but the fact of the matter is we can go ahead and make our

2004
02:57:45,540 --> 02:57:51,500
I mean, I've reduced the same comments from the citizens and everybody the last few times

2005
02:57:51,500 --> 02:57:55,840
we've done this. So if we meet on October 5th, that's great. But I mean, are we going

2006
02:57:55,840 --> 02:58:01,940
to just rehash and re state all of our same concerns, or are we going to actually have some sort

2007
02:58:02,540 --> 02:58:09,220
of maybe alternative 3, 4, or 5? So that would be the, I don't know what the intent is other

2008
02:58:09,220 --> 02:58:11,280
than to continue on.

2009
02:58:11,420 --> 02:58:12,940
I see I have Mr. Williams.

2010
02:58:13,540 --> 02:58:14,580
I don't want to comment.

2011
02:58:14,940 --> 02:58:15,540
I did a little bit.

2012
02:58:15,580 --> 02:58:17,100
There was a couple of comments here.

2013
02:58:17,180 --> 02:58:18,620
I kind of wanted to react to.

2014
02:58:18,940 --> 02:58:23,900
There was sort of a hint, I guess,

2015
02:58:24,120 --> 02:58:26,140
that this somehow was a staff driven project.

2016
02:58:26,320 --> 02:58:29,000
I really want to take some issue with that.

2017
02:58:29,160 --> 02:58:30,000
Which is not a good order.

2018
02:58:30,400 --> 02:58:31,420
I am so sorry.

2019
02:58:32,500 --> 02:58:34,460
We, Mr. Mayor, I'd like to have.

2020
02:58:34,680 --> 02:58:38,080
Yeah, just, let's just stay with the motion.

2021
02:58:38,080 --> 02:58:51,440
And I do totally understand that we probably do have additional questions that need to be answered and I would urge everyone to get them in earlier so.

2022
02:58:53,550 --> 02:58:59,710
So we have a motion on the floor to bring this back on October 5th Councilmember Wilson.

2023
02:59:00,710 --> 02:59:07,990
Yeah, do you think that Councilmember questions was making a good point though, what are we bringing it back for and what's going to happen between now and then.

2024
02:59:08,570 --> 02:59:16,190
Because I do think that they're probably were very limited comments that are still on the same subject, but the question being, you know, where do we go from here?

2025
02:59:20,720 --> 02:59:22,800
I'm helping the people get the questions answered.

2026
02:59:23,020 --> 02:59:30,600
I mean, and then if we have to have additional discussion, then we'll figure it out on October 5.

2027
02:59:30,640 --> 02:59:32,860
Right now, it's just short of 10 PM.

2028
02:59:33,080 --> 02:59:39,460
We have one other item, which is actually a fun item, and then we can, yeah, it is.

2029
02:59:39,460 --> 02:59:41,520
But adding fun is not a bad thing.

2030
02:59:42,440 --> 02:59:46,940
The, anyway, move a talk to over fifth this emotion.

2031
02:59:48,580 --> 02:59:52,500
Council President and Councillor Cassandra Cassandra Cassandra Cassandra.

2032
02:59:53,500 --> 02:59:54,700
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2033
02:59:56,540 --> 02:59:59,280
I think it's fair to get those questions answered.

2034
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:15,600
Number of the questions would have been answered prior to this meeting tonight. We wouldn't have had to go through this last hour. So perhaps bringing those questions forward and getting the responses to them would be a really good thing before the next meeting. Thank you.

2035
03:00:15,600 --> 03:00:17,180
That's more Christiana Johnson.

2036
03:00:18,660 --> 03:00:19,580
Are you on you?

2037
03:00:21,630 --> 03:00:22,250
Pardon

2038
03:00:25,640 --> 03:00:26,620
me.

2039
03:00:26,960 --> 03:00:37,040
I wanted to find out from our consultants whether there would be any new information if we brought this back on October 3rd.

2040
03:00:37,880 --> 03:00:47,420
Would there be a third alternative or a fourth alternative that we could consider because right now we're sort of at a stalemate.

2041
03:00:50,040 --> 03:01:00,520
Yeah, I think the whole project and the grant application and everything was geared towards making this connection.

2042
03:01:01,520 --> 03:01:06,200
I don't know of another alternative that does that.

2043
03:01:07,500 --> 03:01:12,620
And I don't think we're going to come up with one that quickly, I don't think it's there.

2044
03:01:13,000 --> 03:01:14,500
We've looked at a lot of different connections.

2045
03:01:14,500 --> 03:01:21,560
This is the one that needs to be made in one form or another on 9th and 100th.

2046
03:01:23,360 --> 03:01:27,240
Now, I don't think we should lose sight of the fact that rest of the project has a lot

2047
03:01:27,240 --> 03:01:31,400
of good things with bicycle lanes and with pedestrian issues.

2048
03:01:31,780 --> 03:01:34,460
And those are great improvements, and they should not be lost.

2049
03:01:34,840 --> 03:01:41,560
We're talking about a very important piece of the system and the network, but it is small.

2050
03:01:42,560 --> 03:01:44,540
And I don't think we should lose sight of that.

2051
03:01:46,650 --> 03:01:50,210
So we are not to expect a third alternative.

2052
03:01:51,230 --> 03:01:52,390
We'll just continue to...

2053
03:01:52,390 --> 03:01:53,890
There was a third alternative.

2054
03:01:54,190 --> 03:01:55,250
There was a third alternative.

2055
03:01:55,570 --> 03:01:58,030
They got no love at all when we first presented it.

2056
03:01:58,170 --> 03:01:59,130
We showed three.

2057
03:01:59,370 --> 03:02:00,490
One was two Sheros.

2058
03:02:00,710 --> 03:02:02,530
One was one bike lane and one Sheros.

2059
03:02:02,730 --> 03:02:03,950
And one was two bike lanes.

2060
03:02:04,390 --> 03:02:07,830
I don't think we have another viable option to show you.

2061
03:02:12,130 --> 03:02:16,250
Unless somebody on our team has got one that I haven't heard about.

2062
03:02:21,400 --> 03:02:24,680
Mr. Mayor, can we move the agenda and take a vote?

2063
03:02:25,780 --> 03:02:32,140
Yes, so all those in favor of moving aside until October 5th, shrub hands,

2064
03:02:34,260 --> 03:02:37,620
all those opposed, motion passes.

2065
03:02:39,180 --> 03:02:41,420
We'll bring it back on October 5th.

2066
03:02:44,460 --> 03:02:47,660
Next item, Shirley Johnson, property donation.

2067
03:02:54,590 --> 03:02:57,390
Works Department is there, she is, Angie Fester.

2068
03:03:01,250 --> 03:03:02,510
Yes, good evening.

2069
03:03:03,730 --> 03:03:08,310
Hopefully this subject is a little more upbeat and a little easier to make a decision.

2070
03:03:08,310 --> 03:03:21,710
So, we probably won't take 15 minutes, so bringing forward to you tonight to part of our land acquisition program, basically, a donation here.

2071
03:03:22,810 --> 03:03:34,390
So, Angie Fester, Parks Recreation, Cultural Services and Human Services Director for the city and tonight I'm bringing forward proposals consideration, the acceptance of a donation of a piece of property,

2072
03:03:35,310 --> 03:03:41,890
donated by Shirley Johnson. It is a little more than one acre parcel on

2073
03:03:41,890 --> 03:03:46,450
bound with way and I'm going to, of course, bring up about our point but we've got

2074
03:03:46,450 --> 03:03:49,190
some great graphics here to take a look at.

2075
03:03:55,550 --> 03:03:56,850
So everyone see that. That will

2076
03:03:56,850 --> 03:04:02,090
head done. Okay, great. So that

2077
03:04:04,780 --> 03:04:06,600
full screen for a little better viewing.

2078
03:04:11,460 --> 03:04:13,140
So let's

2079
03:04:13,980 --> 03:04:22,460
on the 9,000 block of Baudin Way. It actually connects Baudin Way and Nios Park. So you can see

2080
03:04:22,460 --> 03:04:30,200
the graphic there in the center of the string, outlined in yellow. This is Nios Park here in open space

2081
03:04:30,200 --> 03:04:34,940
off to the west, open by the city as well. And there's the pool actually right there in the graphic.

2082
03:04:35,720 --> 03:04:42,820
So it's a fantastic parcel, very sizable for this location of town. And we had it appraised

2083
03:04:42,820 --> 03:04:46,140
as part of our inventory, or asset.

2084
03:04:47,000 --> 03:04:49,960
And it actually appraised it only $350,000

2085
03:04:49,960 --> 03:04:53,860
because of the condition placed on the property

2086
03:04:53,860 --> 03:04:56,240
to be a community park.

2087
03:04:57,200 --> 03:05:01,460
And so the appraisal does recognize the fact, though,

2088
03:05:01,640 --> 03:05:04,720
if this property were to be on the open market,

2089
03:05:05,760 --> 03:05:10,580
it's zoned to probably put in six residential units in it

2090
03:05:10,580 --> 03:05:18,720
would have a market value probably $1.5 million. So incredibly generous donation by Shirley

2091
03:05:18,720 --> 03:05:26,580
Johnson for this property and the consideration of that. She wrote in her will that the

2092
03:05:26,580 --> 03:05:31,920
purposes of this is to be used for park and or community garden for the citizens of Edmunds

2093
03:05:31,920 --> 03:05:36,320
and the local community as a city of Edmunds being expressed at their discretion.

2094
03:05:36,320 --> 03:05:44,380
very thoughtful. Miss Johnson passed away in January of this year and Peter Bennett, it was

2095
03:05:44,380 --> 03:05:50,440
her attorney representing the estate and has been taking care of the estate to this point.

2096
03:05:51,040 --> 03:05:59,500
Very generous in his commitment to taking care of the property. He secured the buildings. He brought

2097
03:05:59,500 --> 03:06:04,000
and some services to start to maintain the site and remove

2098
03:06:04,880 --> 03:06:08,000
some debris on the site and make sure that the cars

2099
03:06:08,000 --> 03:06:09,220
that were there were gone.

2100
03:06:09,400 --> 03:06:11,860
So he did a lot of work around the site

2101
03:06:11,860 --> 03:06:15,920
to help us keep it secure before became in our ownership.

2102
03:06:16,780 --> 03:06:21,820
Part of that was some expenses related to these fate

2103
03:06:21,820 --> 03:06:24,040
after it was settled out through the summer.

2104
03:06:24,500 --> 03:06:26,420
There are a couple years of back taxes,

2105
03:06:26,420 --> 03:06:32,200
a little bit for Title Insurance for the transfer and as well as some attorney fees that

2106
03:06:32,200 --> 03:06:40,220
had a crude but considering the value of this property that, you know, that writing a check

2107
03:06:40,220 --> 03:06:46,160
for $46,000 for this property is a small price of pay for such a generous donation.

2108
03:06:48,610 --> 03:06:53,990
There's some images here at the site. If you've driven past it or know where it is, it's

2109
03:06:53,990 --> 03:06:59,990
hard to see into the site is pretty well screened from the road from vegetation, but is a narrow

2110
03:06:59,990 --> 03:07:06,390
and long site with quite a bit inside of it. The photo and the upper left is January this year,

2111
03:07:06,690 --> 03:07:11,910
and that is a magnificent, big leaf maple there in front of the house, and you can see in the

2112
03:07:11,910 --> 03:07:17,190
lower image there of it leafed out that one in the lower left was taken about two weeks ago. So you

2113
03:07:17,190 --> 03:07:22,550
can kind of see how that leaves out. You can see the difference in the house and that the attorney

2114
03:07:22,550 --> 03:07:29,650
boarded up and secure the site and removed a lot of items off the site to help us start to acquire

2115
03:07:29,650 --> 03:07:31,550
the site and keep that secure.

2116
03:07:35,040 --> 03:07:39,100
These are images here of some of the outbuildings on the site.

2117
03:07:39,300 --> 03:07:43,720
This, if you're looking at the house on the outtake images to your left, would be this larger

2118
03:07:43,720 --> 03:07:50,260
shed here. You can see the secured and boarded up with locks on it and trespassing signs.

2119
03:07:50,260 --> 03:07:57,420
If you follow this rough line over here to the left, that's actually the corner of the building right here in this image.

2120
03:07:58,180 --> 03:08:03,440
So to the left of this shed are two other out buildings, a small metal building here,

2121
03:08:03,560 --> 03:08:09,160
and that another larger wooden structure that is kind of deteriorated over time.

2122
03:08:09,580 --> 03:08:14,340
A lot of these buildings are kind of covered in blackberries and kind of a little overgrown,

2123
03:08:14,820 --> 03:08:17,020
but those are the structures on this site.

2124
03:08:17,760 --> 03:08:24,400
This is another good set of images of the house at how it's been secured and cleaned up around it, which is really great.

2125
03:08:25,240 --> 03:08:31,020
I do want to note, in the lower right-hand corner, this image here, this is one polytree.

2126
03:08:32,280 --> 03:08:38,500
This entire green area here, which I think is the largest polytree I've ever seen.

2127
03:08:38,720 --> 03:08:41,220
I'm calling it the original Pacific Northwest polytree.

2128
03:08:41,220 --> 03:08:47,420
So we'll have some work to do when we get to that site because that's a highly invasive climate

2129
03:08:47,420 --> 03:08:50,700
material that we should be taking care of.

2130
03:08:51,100 --> 03:08:57,240
So the next steps for the site and the short term basically keeping the site secure, keeping

2131
03:08:57,240 --> 03:09:02,780
all those things in place, some assessments of the personal items inside of those buildings and

2132
03:09:02,780 --> 03:09:09,700
deciding how to take care of those if there are some things of value and those buildings,

2133
03:09:09,700 --> 03:09:18,720
The museum will be involved with that that also so artwork apparently could be in there and we'll

2134
03:09:18,720 --> 03:09:22,440
get some folks involved some experts in there to get some opinions on that.

2135
03:09:22,800 --> 03:09:25,540
We'll continue basic maintenance of the sites in general,

2136
03:09:26,220 --> 03:09:29,360
lowering kind of keeping the vegetation down low.

2137
03:09:30,440 --> 03:09:38,000
There are six to eight apple trees on the site, which give a nod back to this property

2138
03:09:38,000 --> 03:09:43,820
that was actually owned by Shirley's parents, Charles and Helen Spicer, and when they were

2139
03:09:43,820 --> 03:09:50,160
on the property, this was actually a farm within the city, and so we want to really make

2140
03:09:50,160 --> 03:09:55,080
sure that that is recognized in this property moving forward with the design and the use

2141
03:09:55,080 --> 03:09:55,840
of the property.

2142
03:09:56,360 --> 03:10:00,460
As you can see, the middle photo here, those are actually apples on that tree right there

2143
03:10:00,460 --> 03:10:06,220
in the middle, but you can see the tree on the right is actually another fruit tree that

2144
03:10:06,220 --> 03:10:08,360
is not fairing very well.

2145
03:10:08,900 --> 03:10:11,620
So we're going to use our field Everest ever do.

2146
03:10:11,800 --> 03:10:15,020
Get her on site and do some assessments of the trees.

2147
03:10:15,540 --> 03:10:17,380
See if we can start maintaining them

2148
03:10:17,380 --> 03:10:19,640
and taking care of them and bring them back.

2149
03:10:20,140 --> 03:10:23,000
If not, we may look at trying to take cuttings

2150
03:10:23,000 --> 03:10:26,140
from those trees and preserve some pieces of those trees

2151
03:10:26,140 --> 03:10:29,500
that we can bring back and to the site at some time.

2152
03:10:30,340 --> 03:10:32,620
And then of course, we'll have to kind of make some decisions

2153
03:10:32,620 --> 03:10:35,580
about the demolition of those buildings.

2154
03:10:35,580 --> 03:10:43,860
they are in habitable at this type or in the habitable at this time, so demolition will probably

2155
03:10:43,860 --> 03:10:51,000
be the solution for those buildings. Long term will be continued, basic maintenance of the site,

2156
03:10:51,160 --> 03:10:57,300
obviously, some tree care, paying special attention to those trees and whatever else is on site.

2157
03:10:58,080 --> 03:11:04,280
And then eventually, this property should have a master plan done on it. It will be interesting to

2158
03:11:04,280 --> 03:11:12,660
some of the results from the 2022 Pros Plan to see how this property and the amenities and the

2159
03:11:12,660 --> 03:11:19,080
wishes of the donation fits into the park system. And that'll be perfect timing to use the

2160
03:11:19,080 --> 03:11:24,780
Pros Plan from that. And of course, as all Master Plan processes, there's quite a bit of community

2161
03:11:24,780 --> 03:11:30,960
involvement engagement in that. And I'm sure we have a lot of interested groups. I just presented

2162
03:11:30,960 --> 03:11:43,460
to the Floridum Club yesterday and of course they're quite interested in, I know we have a lot of great groups in the community that will be involved in the design and development and hopefully operation of this park eventually.

2163
03:11:45,640 --> 03:11:52,320
So, with that, I'm going to stop sharing screen here and answer any questions. Folks may have them.

2164
03:11:52,320 --> 03:11:55,850
That's a good man, G.

2165
03:11:57,050 --> 03:11:58,710
I guess I'm going to work with Sean Johnson.

2166
03:12:00,510 --> 03:12:01,090
Oh, sure.

2167
03:12:01,670 --> 03:12:01,890
All right.

2168
03:12:02,010 --> 03:12:04,150
You have your virtual hand if I don't know if it's.

2169
03:12:04,150 --> 03:12:05,370
But I'll speak.

2170
03:12:06,890 --> 03:12:09,970
I've been involved in this project for about four years.

2171
03:12:10,510 --> 03:12:14,890
Shirley Johnson was my next door neighbor when I was growing up.

2172
03:12:14,910 --> 03:12:17,830
And now they're about a dozen homes between us.

2173
03:12:18,390 --> 03:12:22,430
And she lamented that she didn't want to sell

2174
03:12:22,430 --> 03:12:32,970
this property to developers. She outlived her son and her husband and had no other relatives

2175
03:12:32,970 --> 03:12:40,530
except in nephew and it was her wish to preserve this family farm. The outbuildings were

2176
03:12:40,530 --> 03:12:48,970
essentially chicken groups and this was part of the family business. They had an egg laying business

2177
03:12:48,970 --> 03:12:56,750
people would come and buy eggs and they were fresh and they were candle of them. It was, you know,

2178
03:12:56,790 --> 03:13:04,730
part of my childhood experience. So I was really happy when I was able to help her envision

2179
03:13:04,730 --> 03:13:13,350
this as a donation. Because she couldn't figure out exactly how to save her land and I had some early

2180
03:13:13,350 --> 03:13:22,750
conversations with Councilmember Thomas Saros and Park's Director Kerry Height and we had several

2181
03:13:22,750 --> 03:13:29,290
executive sessions about this and basically it was Kerry's suggestion that we connected

2182
03:13:29,290 --> 03:13:37,250
to the Bennett law firm to help her develop a will and to come up with a plan and so it's

2183
03:13:37,250 --> 03:13:44,250
a great satisfaction that her wishes are being carried out now.

2184
03:13:47,100 --> 03:13:48,420
That's not a large answer.

2185
03:13:51,260 --> 03:13:55,260
I was just going to say that I loved this presentation at last week's committee meeting.

2186
03:13:55,940 --> 03:14:02,480
It's very touching, you know, that Shirley Johnson legacy will be carried on through the preservation of her property.

2187
03:14:02,780 --> 03:14:08,740
So I appreciate bringing it to the full council and for more of the community to hear about.

2188
03:14:08,740 --> 03:14:14,060
So thank you to everyone involved in this customer family and also.

2189
03:14:14,860 --> 03:14:15,800
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2190
03:14:17,440 --> 03:14:23,220
I really appreciate Ms. Johnson and her willingness to donate her property.

2191
03:14:23,640 --> 03:14:29,740
But I do want to remind Council and those that are out there that, unfortunately, she lived

2192
03:14:29,740 --> 03:14:35,220
the last years of her life with no water lack of electricity, a leaking roof.

2193
03:14:35,220 --> 03:14:46,220
And this is where I think a social service program can step in and maybe have helped her in the past to be able to live a safe and productive life.

2194
03:14:47,760 --> 03:14:49,060
Point of clarification.

2195
03:14:50,720 --> 03:14:51,300
I'm not so nervous.

2196
03:14:53,780 --> 03:14:56,140
Contrary to what was just stated,

2197
03:14:57,260 --> 03:14:59,380
the roof did not leak.

2198
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:04,540
We had electricity, although truth should not have water service.

2199
03:15:06,140 --> 03:15:13,440
Well, thank you for correcting me. So, at any point, it would be nice if we had a social service

2200
03:15:13,440 --> 03:15:19,960
program that could ensure that the last years of her life would be comfortable living in

2201
03:15:19,960 --> 03:15:25,580
her own home. So, I just want to point that out, and I think it's wonderful that she

2202
03:15:25,580 --> 03:15:31,180
decided to donate the property to the city, and it's up to us to take good care of it.

2203
03:15:31,800 --> 03:15:33,400
So thank you.

2204
03:15:34,750 --> 03:15:36,130
Councillor Orpussius.

2205
03:15:36,490 --> 03:15:39,970
Yes, Shirley Johnson was a definitely a treasure.

2206
03:15:40,430 --> 03:15:46,750
I'd like to make a motion that the Edward Ordinance of the City of Edmunds, Washington,

2207
03:15:47,010 --> 03:15:52,010
accepting title to real property through a personal representative's deed from the

2208
03:15:52,010 --> 03:15:57,550
state of Shirley M. Johnson subject to certain terms, which are described in that

2209
03:15:57,550 --> 03:15:58,450
deed.

2210
03:16:00,030 --> 03:16:02,730
We've been seconded discussion.

2211
03:16:04,170 --> 03:16:10,110
All of the favors show hands, all of those opposed, motion passes your hands.

2212
03:16:16,020 --> 03:16:16,320
Thank you.

2213
03:16:16,940 --> 03:16:17,600
Thank you.

2214
03:16:20,370 --> 03:16:23,370
Next item on the agenda is Council Committee reports.

2215
03:16:23,370 --> 03:16:29,930
those council committee minutes are available on the online, on the agenda, next is Council

2216
03:16:29,930 --> 03:16:30,630
Comments.

2217
03:16:30,770 --> 03:16:33,910
We'll start with council member, family, and else.

2218
03:16:34,970 --> 03:16:36,050
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2219
03:16:36,510 --> 03:16:37,890
I like to bring up this.

2220
03:16:37,990 --> 03:16:45,810
I want to thank Natalie Cites tonight for, again, bringing up the issues of equity and living

2221
03:16:45,810 --> 03:16:49,590
on this side of Edmund's, I guess, the East Side of Edmund's.

2222
03:16:49,590 --> 03:16:57,170
And I appreciate her standing up at every meeting and reminding Council that there is an

2223
03:16:57,170 --> 03:17:00,590
inequity in between one set of Edmonds and the other.

2224
03:17:00,830 --> 03:17:04,870
So I do appreciate her for all of her comments.

2225
03:17:05,170 --> 03:17:05,990
Thank you.

2226
03:17:07,190 --> 03:17:08,170
I see as Council Member Olsen.

2227
03:17:15,600 --> 03:17:19,060
This is a point in the council number fairly many of us didn't have a different Council

2228
03:17:19,060 --> 03:17:19,800
comment.

2229
03:17:20,420 --> 03:17:25,720
After a session advocacy for a new Code of Conduct, putting it on the Council agenda as Council

2230
03:17:25,720 --> 03:17:30,040
President, dedicating many hours of council member time and effort and voting for

2231
03:17:30,040 --> 03:17:35,840
herself. I have a hard time understanding council member freely, many issues, refusal to

2232
03:17:35,840 --> 03:17:38,160
own her to blatant code of conduct by a leader.

2233
03:17:38,160 --> 03:17:39,400
What a murder, Mayor.

2234
03:17:40,380 --> 03:17:46,880
Yes, I believe that this is an inappropriate place to be talking about individual

2235
03:17:46,880 --> 03:17:54,100
council members and things. If Ms. Wilson prefers to bring up me on charges, there's always

2236
03:17:54,100 --> 03:17:56,520
executive session to do that.

2237
03:17:57,930 --> 03:18:00,690
When a border, is that a valid point of order?

2238
03:18:05,080 --> 03:18:09,880
If the cast member would maybe refrain from identifying specific council members in their

2239
03:18:09,880 --> 03:18:10,560
comments.

2240
03:18:11,920 --> 03:18:19,540
When a border, the purpose of the council comment is to allow the council member to provide

2241
03:18:19,540 --> 03:18:25,060
whatever information she would share he would like to say and I know we've heard many different

2242
03:18:25,060 --> 03:18:29,980
I also comments throughout the 11 years that we have been on council, the Sprelium

2243
03:18:29,980 --> 03:18:32,060
Manelis, and we have name names.

2244
03:18:33,160 --> 03:18:33,700
I'm a voter.

2245
03:18:34,800 --> 03:18:38,320
Again, this is again, our Code of Conduct, Mr.

2246
03:18:40,970 --> 03:18:40,970
Mayor.

2247
03:18:41,310 --> 03:18:42,310
How's so?

2248
03:18:43,350 --> 03:18:43,710
Okay.

2249
03:18:48,570 --> 03:18:51,190
Okay, let me move on then from the part about that.

2250
03:18:51,490 --> 03:18:53,110
I'll just say, it's up to you.

2251
03:18:53,310 --> 03:18:58,610
If you want to use this as a forum to go after each other then you're going to go after each other.

2252
03:18:58,610 --> 03:19:04,910
I cannot tell you that, not to, not to a common sense, whether you want to use your

2253
03:19:04,910 --> 03:19:05,170
kind.

2254
03:19:06,390 --> 03:19:11,170
So, you know, I'm just going to, I'm not going to rule on how your council comments should

2255
03:19:11,170 --> 03:19:11,270
be.

2256
03:19:11,370 --> 03:19:13,030
Your council comments or your council comments.

2257
03:19:13,350 --> 03:19:14,010
Thank you, Mr. Jones.

2258
03:19:14,010 --> 03:19:14,450
No, no.

2259
03:19:15,870 --> 03:19:23,310
I would, I don't really understand the refusal to, and then mention Renderous and Serapology

2260
03:19:23,310 --> 03:19:24,690
to the public for both.

2261
03:19:24,690 --> 03:19:38,150
And with that being the case, whereas the council majority, this is my message to full council, but sanctions for this council member who is snubbing the public and our code, and importantly, where is the equity?

2262
03:19:38,910 --> 03:19:49,170
We all know the answer to whether or not I would be sanctioned if I was the one doing these things instead of another council member.

2263
03:19:55,550 --> 03:20:03,590
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I do want to thank council member Olson for her town hall meetings that were held this Saturday.

2264
03:20:04,650 --> 03:20:10,930
I was able to attend O3 of them and I found the conversations to be very interesting.

2265
03:20:11,790 --> 03:20:15,250
Citizens continue to say we build it.

2266
03:20:15,250 --> 03:20:20,590
will they really come so I mean the issue that a lot of them are concerned with is that

2267
03:20:20,590 --> 03:20:25,830
we continue to have all of these grants coming in and all of this money being spent to put

2268
03:20:25,830 --> 03:20:33,250
guardrails here or something there and are they really needed. So I think it's important that we

2269
03:20:33,250 --> 03:20:41,130
look very carefully at the CIP CFP this year and I do look forward to the remaining town hall meetings

2270
03:20:41,130 --> 03:20:48,270
that Council Member Olson will be handling and in terms of her comments, I have in toll

2271
03:20:48,270 --> 03:20:53,730
support. I have listened to many citizens and I have brought it up again that I have

2272
03:20:53,730 --> 03:20:59,090
in the personal email, have agreed with Council Member Olson on her issues regarding the

2273
03:20:59,090 --> 03:21:05,310
code of conduct and how nothing was. Mr. Mayor, go to boarder. I am not going to bring

2274
03:21:05,310 --> 03:21:08,790
my personal medical issues in front of this council.

2275
03:21:11,430 --> 03:21:12,490
I'm not making it.

2276
03:21:12,490 --> 03:21:16,750
And I understand this is election season and this is a great time to jump.

2277
03:21:17,090 --> 03:21:21,370
It just, I'm just making sure that people will be able to do this.

2278
03:21:21,870 --> 03:21:24,030
That's never made their comments uninterrupted.

2279
03:21:24,130 --> 03:21:24,930
Thank you.

2280
03:21:24,970 --> 03:21:26,330
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2281
03:21:27,050 --> 03:21:33,050
In any event, I have a look forward to the rest of the budget committee forums that

2282
03:21:33,050 --> 03:21:33,970
are coming forward.

2283
03:21:34,710 --> 03:21:37,050
Again, this next Saturday and I think first, I can

2284
03:21:37,050 --> 03:21:44,850
make the 31, but please come, it was very fun to hear everybody their wishes and their concerns.

2285
03:21:45,170 --> 03:21:51,010
They are concerned about the human services department, our program, and we are doing great

2286
03:21:51,690 --> 03:21:57,730
providing transparency on that, and so I'm hopeful to look at the budget coming forward.

2287
03:21:57,930 --> 03:21:59,390
Thank you.

2288
03:21:59,630 --> 03:22:01,170
That's very large, aren't you?

2289
03:22:02,450 --> 03:22:03,030
Thank you, Mayor.

2290
03:22:03,030 --> 03:22:12,150
As we know, September is National Suicide Prevention Month, and this year I've had the honor of carrying on the work that Council Member Luke Düsseldorf started last year.

2291
03:22:12,710 --> 03:22:31,930
We have two upcoming events. The first is this coming Thursday. We're going to have a community panel discussion on mental health and suicide prevention panelists include members of the American Foundation for suicide prevention, the Edmund Senior Center, the Edmund School District and other Edmund's community members.

2292
03:22:31,930 --> 03:22:42,950
Next Thursday, the 30th, when the virtual firm's the home of health district will be presenting a free QPR, which is question, persuade, and refer suicide prevention training.

2293
03:22:43,470 --> 03:22:45,690
Both of the events start at 7 p.m.

2294
03:22:45,850 --> 03:22:46,890
And we'll be held virtually.

2295
03:22:47,830 --> 03:22:56,030
All the info can be found at www.wecare.advinswa.gov on our Human Services page.

2296
03:22:56,030 --> 03:23:15,930
And, you know, through this planning process I have been really touched by the number of individuals who are very, very passionate about mental health advocacy, removing the stigma of talking about mental health challenges and working hard towards suicide prevention.

2297
03:23:15,930 --> 03:23:25,950
So, you know, this has been very inspiring, and I think Council Member Luke does the course for bringing this to Edmunds to start with and it's been an honor to carry on.

2298
03:23:26,290 --> 03:23:37,330
So, I hope you can join us at one or both of the upcoming Thursdays and once again, we care.Edmunds.wa.gov. Thank you.

2299
03:23:37,330 --> 03:23:39,270
That's Rebecca Shannon Johnson.

2300
03:23:39,750 --> 03:23:42,710
Thank you, Mayor.

2301
03:23:45,150 --> 03:23:51,910
I wanted to provide some additional comments about the proposal tonight about bike lanes.

2302
03:23:52,510 --> 03:23:59,930
In addition to what was discussed, the consultant put together a five additional

2303
03:23:59,930 --> 03:24:08,990
pedestrian improvements for a total of 312,1223 dollars that staff is recommending.

2304
03:24:09,970 --> 03:24:17,070
And I think that this is totally good information, and I think that we can incorporate

2305
03:24:17,070 --> 03:24:21,950
it when we update the transportation element of the comprehensive plan.

2306
03:24:22,190 --> 03:24:29,590
But I don't think we should find it at this time because the transportation plan is planning

2307
03:24:29,590 --> 03:24:37,590
to be updated, and they have a complete list of proposed projects, which are evaluated on

2308
03:24:37,590 --> 03:24:46,790
a point system for all sidewalks. And they use a 1, 2, 3, 6 criteria, and they're rated.

2309
03:24:47,070 --> 03:24:54,850
And as a result of these scores, there are 40 projects, a sidewalk projects that are listed.

2310
03:24:54,850 --> 03:25:03,270
And none of them include the five that have been suggested for implementation now, so I would

2311
03:25:03,270 --> 03:25:12,350
like to fold those projects into the process and not interrupt our CIP and our comprehensive

2312
03:25:12,350 --> 03:25:18,730
plan and go outside of that process to implement them now.

2313
03:25:18,870 --> 03:25:20,670
I see that the time is up.

2314
03:25:20,670 --> 03:25:23,650
Board I'd like to make a motion to extend.

2315
03:25:24,810 --> 03:25:26,950
Our second move and second it.

2316
03:25:27,170 --> 03:25:32,510
I'd like to make a motion to extend to 1030 because we have two council members who have not spoken yet.

2317
03:25:32,630 --> 03:25:37,110
I'm not sure how much longer this will go along for and then we haven't heard mayors comments.

2318
03:25:38,270 --> 03:25:40,490
So I'd like to extend to 1030.

2319
03:25:42,180 --> 03:25:46,340
Well, I just wanted to set the stage for our next discussion.

2320
03:25:46,340 --> 03:25:49,460
And I think when I ordered, I would say I'm looking on the floor.

2321
03:25:50,340 --> 03:25:52,620
In the 1930 discussion.

2322
03:25:54,340 --> 03:25:57,680
All those in favor of shohans, all is opposed.

2323
03:25:58,100 --> 03:25:59,980
Extend to 1030, customer cash ad jobs.

2324
03:26:02,990 --> 03:26:09,630
I'll just conclude my comments by saying I want to focus on the bike lanes at our next discussion.

2325
03:26:12,010 --> 03:26:18,690
And not spend a lot of time on the pedestrian proposals because I think that this is completely

2326
03:26:19,910 --> 03:26:23,690
outside our normal good governance process.

2327
03:26:26,230 --> 03:26:27,150
That's a president.

2328
03:26:27,890 --> 03:26:29,070
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2329
03:26:29,970 --> 03:26:37,070
I just want to say thank you to Director Fesser for bringing in this last bit of really great news for the city.

2330
03:26:38,010 --> 03:26:40,850
You're always welcome to donate land to the city.

2331
03:26:41,050 --> 03:26:42,910
It's a great way to do land acquisition.

2332
03:26:44,070 --> 03:26:49,770
And in many ways it could help solve some problems if you're working through some of your estate planning.

2333
03:26:51,030 --> 03:26:59,330
Anyhow, I also want to thank Council Member Olson for putting together that what I've been referring to as the budget meetups.

2334
03:26:59,950 --> 03:27:08,950
It's nice to see I've attended two and it's nice to have a smattering of folks there who are interested in hearing about the budget and talking about city business.

2335
03:27:09,970 --> 03:27:18,110
So I do appreciate that getting put together and I do plan on doing something similar later on in the next next year.

2336
03:27:18,110 --> 03:27:25,110
Next up would be I'd like to remind everyone we have budget coming up during our budget

2337
03:27:25,110 --> 03:27:32,030
process our budget retreat. We talked extensively about getting having a short budget

2338
03:27:32,030 --> 03:27:39,210
process and so I'm going to make sure that we shepherd as much as possible get your questions

2339
03:27:39,210 --> 03:27:45,330
in and meet up quickly and that applies to all of the all of our agendas. We've got some

2340
03:27:45,330 --> 03:27:51,510
things that are coming through pretty quickly, and it's going to be an active discussion all

2341
03:27:51,510 --> 03:27:56,950
around please get your questions answered early, and so we can have productive conversations

2342
03:27:56,950 --> 03:28:04,470
and discussions in our council meetings. And so thank you to staff and everyone who's made

2343
03:28:04,470 --> 03:28:10,230
this such a big abundant meeting. We covered a lot of territory and I do appreciate that. Thank

2344
03:28:13,190 --> 03:28:36,530
Thank you Mr. Mayor and thank you council member Laura Johnson for continuing that work I look forward to hopefully seeing council members and community members at the two upcoming events on mental health and suicide prevention that they're extremely important for people of all ages in our community as we know and I will leave it at that and you have the last few minutes Mr. Mayor. Thank you and good night.

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Thank you. Just on COVID related front, you know, the numbers are a telling. They're still

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unacceptably high, which is all over 400 and 48 or so per 100,000. And overwhelmingly

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the folks that are coming down with COVID are unvaccinated, and those are being hospitalized,

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are unvaccinated. This one glimmer of hope was announced recently for those of us who have

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children that are between the ages of 5 and 11, very promising is at least initially, with

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Pfizer having vaccine showing very good results in their clinical trials, there's still

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a process that has to go through the FDA, and it's going to be a little bit, you won't be able

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to make doctors, women, just yet, but it does seem to be very promising that the youngest

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and most vulnerable children will start to have access to vaccine soon rather than

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And with that, I wish you all a good and have a nice winter.