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Edmond City Council meeting of July 5th, 2022, at 7.01 p.m. Will you please join me for the flag salute?

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for nation.

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Thank

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you. Next item is the land acknowledgement. I've asked councilmember Payne to read the acknowledgement.

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Oh, do I need to do this? There we go. Let's see. We acknowledge the original inhabitants of this place, the Snohomish people, and their successors, the Tulalip tribes,

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who, since time immemorial, have hunted, fished, gathered, and taken care of these lands.

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We respect their sovereignty, their right to self-determination, and we honor their sacred

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spiritual connection with the land and the water.

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Thank you.

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Next is roll call.

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Mr. City Clerk, Council Member Chris Gianna Johnson, and I've tried to promote her

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to panelists a few times here, and she keeps slipping back into the attendees list,

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so I think she's here.

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Council Member Chen, Council Member Tibbet, Council Member Bukshanus, Council

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President Olson, Council Member Payne, Council Member Lara Johnson, and

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Council Member Chris Gianna Johnson. Can you hear me?

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Yes, I'm here. All right. All

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Council Member and Mayor Nelson. Here, all elected officials are present with the

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exception of Council Member Tibbet. Very good. I move to excuse Council Member Tibbet.

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Second.

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Moved, excused, Councilor Tibbet, and seconded discussion.

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All those in favor, please say aye.

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Aye.

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All those opposed?

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Motion passes.

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Next item on the agenda is the Municipal Court Annual Report.

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Happy to introduce the Honorable Whitney Rivera.

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All right.

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Good evening, everyone.

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I'm here with Unique Mailer, our Court Administrator, excited to present to you our annual

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report.

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I'm going to jump right into it.

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Wanted to start with the court operations update.

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Last time that Unique and I were here speaking to you all, we were still kind of in the midst

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of just emerging from suspending jury trials, hadn't restarted our community court yet.

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We've now restarted that.

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We restarted in January of this year at our temporary home, which was at the Community

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Health Center there on Highway 99.

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We really owe a debt of gratitude to the people at the Community Health Center.

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I mean, that is a place where lots of people go to access medical care, dental care,

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and they allowed us to come into their lobby and use that space to help bring our services to our court-involved users.

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We moved to our new space on Highway 99, the new community court space.

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We're just getting settled up there.

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And it's pretty, it's pretty amazing in that we have all the exact same functional capacity that we have here so we can run our in custody jail calendar from up in that space.

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So we're really trying to continue thinking innovatively about different ways that we can use that space moving forward.

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We began processing passports again in November of 2021 so in terms of court operations we are fully up to speed and working at full capacity as we were pre COVID.

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We're still working back towards some of our numbers the same way in terms of passport

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processing, but in terms of jury trials, motions, practice, we're operating at the same capacity

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as pre-pandemic levels.

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We completed multiple jury trials safely.

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I talk a little bit more about our jury trials a little bit later in this presentation.

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This is more of moving forward for processing infractions for individuals who did not

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respond during COVID.

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So under the court rules applicable to infractions,

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individual has 15 days to respond to an infraction,

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otherwise they're noted as a failure to respond

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that's noted on their record

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and it's reported the Department of Licensing.

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We weren't processing those failures to respond

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during the pandemic.

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And that was something that Judge Coburn

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and Unique decided prior to me coming on.

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We're now, especially in light of the Senate bill

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that passed during the last legislative session,

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giving all individuals who have not responded

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to a ticket an opportunity to request an ability

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to pay hearing to request a payment plan, community service, one last opportunity before we start

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processing those again and reporting those to Department of Licensing. So our staff are working

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on notifying those individuals that they have an opportunity to submit a written request

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or have a hearing to come before this court to get before adverse action starts getting taken

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against them. We have our legal financial obligation relief programs and our up payment

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program fully implemented and we're still in hybrid models so we're still having

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anyone can appear via zoom today on our in custody calendar we had a number of

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domestic violence arraignments where alleged victims and protected parties

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were able to appear via zoom from their homes or from work to communicate to the

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court their desires in terms of bail settings on cases whether no contact

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order's issues on cases and so that's been a really important part of access

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that it's not just defendants who it's also really important that they're able

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to access our courtroom but also victims, witnesses, family members who are in

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support of people who are victims, witnesses or defendants. So we've

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really been able to increase access with that hybrid model. Here we have

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new members of our team. We were here last year asking the City Council to

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We'll prove our restructure that has been monumental

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in helping impact our workload at Edmunds Municipal Court.

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On the right here, we have Virginia

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who's joined our team just recently.

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On the left, we have Tracy, who was a court clerk

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when our probation officer, Mr. Sherman Ma, retired.

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Tracy then applied and transitioned

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to be our probation officer.

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She's really focusing on our community court right now

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and developing relationships with some of our probationers.

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And so we're really excited about

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our probation team moving forward.

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This is just the rest of our team.

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We're a small, little boutique court here in Edmunds.

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But I do find that compared to courts I worked in as an attorney,

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there is a really high level of communication

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with the public, a really high level of communication

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with the people who need to use our court.

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And so we're really proud of our team here.

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I added this slide in in terms of just numbers.

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And in terms, there's so many different ways

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is to look at the work that we do.

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But if we're just looking at case filings,

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these are broken out into traffic, non-traffic,

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DUI physical control, other criminal traffic,

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so other criminal traffic might be driving

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while licensed suspended, hit and run attended or unattended.

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your theft charges, resisting arrest, disorderly conduct,

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to show our filings.

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As you can see, the 2021 filings

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are lower than they were previously.

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And, you know, there are some explanations.

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I think that when Judge Coburn was presenting a lot, and I know Kathleen Kyle from the Public

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Defender Association talked to you a lot in past years about driving law license suspended

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third and what a large proportion they were.

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In this court with the city code resolution that was passed in 2019 and then with

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a case called Department of Licensing v. Pierce from 2021, which was litigation

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in Thurston County.

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The litigants' name was Pierce, challenging driving law license suspended for inability

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to pay on equal protection grounds is that we've really seen those driving on suspended

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charges have almost not completely stopped.

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So that's one impact.

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Another impact would be State v. Blake, which I think we talked about a lot last year,

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the Supreme Court's ruling finding that Washington's drug possession law was unconstitutional.

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What happened was the legislature then went back and passed the Senate bill called

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that they refer to as the Blake Fix.

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It made no longer a crime for possession of drug paraphernalia

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for much of personal use.

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As you can see by case type, though,

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there are some reductions in filings.

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This life cycle of a case kind of just

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shows the work that the court is doing throughout a case.

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we have their arraignment or first appearance.

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those determination as to whether there's probable cause, which triggers whether I can

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impose conditions of release a person has to abide by.

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And we said pre-trial hearing, it then kind of is in the attorney's hands at that point

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to investigate and negotiate and litigate.

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When they come back for a court hearing, they can do what's on the left, a disposition.

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They waive their right to a jury trial, admit guilt.

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It could be what's called a pre-trial diversion or stipulated order of continuance, whereby

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by they agree to abide by a number of conditions

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for a period of time,

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if they do so successfully, the case will be dismissed,

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or they can choose to litigate,

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which is the side on the right,

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which is doing suppression motions,

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having hearings about whether statements

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made to law enforcement are admissible,

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and having a jury trial.

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If there's a verdict of guilty,

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whether that's by plea or by a jury,

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as the judge, I don't wanna impose sentence,

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which can be as five years,

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as the maximum of five years for domestic violence

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or driving under the influence,

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maximum of two years for most other crimes. So really once we have an adjudication of

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guilt, that is the start of the process. As far as our probation team goes, I have a lot of

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people on probation appearing before me that were sentenced by Judge Coburn or Judge Fair,

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just because the life cycle of that case is really long. We devote every Monday afternoon

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to dealing with our probation matters, and a lot of our community court cases are probation

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matters. People that we're finding continue to become court involved, and we're trying to

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address this underlying issues that are causing them to land themselves in our

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court.

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We resumed jury trials in April of 2021. There was a lot of COVID pauses. I

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know the district court resuspend in trials again in that late summer. We

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continued on and we found that we were able to do so safely. We really

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tried to take a generous posture with jury service if people were not

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comfortable serving, letting them be excused, not putting people in

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situations where they would be uncomfortable. We had 171 cases set for

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trial. So just when we do an arraignment and someone enters a non-guilty plea, we

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don't automatically set that case for trial. The parties request when a case

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needs to be set for trial. Of those 171 cases, they don't all go. Frequently,

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that's kind of where the rubber meets the pavement in terms of things getting

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done, witnesses being lined up, negotiations taking place. So since we

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resumed, we've completed five jury trials and one bench trial. So if you

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think about that that's a lot of citizens from our community coming into

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this room, going through the jury selection process, making it to our

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jury box, deliberating to a verdict. And then I just included a list of the types

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of cases that have gone to trial since we resumed jury trials in 2021. So we

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had a reckless driving, we had a driving on suspended third with a reckless

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driving, we had two counts of stalking, a DUI trial, a non-domestic violence

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assault in the fourth degree, so just means that the alleged victim was not

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a member of the person's family or household and then a violation of a no

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contact order.

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Community court, this was our old home at the community health

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center up on Highway 99. Our staff were amazing. They just took all our

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computers, all our printers, everything that we need and hauled it up there.

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Every time we had a community court session, this is our new home and as

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you can see we have a lot more technological equipment in there. So

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So we're still allowing people to appear by Zoom.

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I make a good cause finding if someone

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needs to appear in person.

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So if someone needs to access services

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and we have substance use disorder providers,

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mental health treatment providers there,

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I can make a finding they need to appear in person.

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If someone is there to check in,

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just checking on the status to make sure

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they did what they were supposed to do,

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we'll say, hey, if you're in compliance,

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you can appear by Zoom.

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Just trying to make that easier.

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We're finding a lot of our individuals

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who come to the courthouse are people

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without any ability to appear by Zoom.

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So we're trying to figure out a way

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to make that Highway 99 location a little more used more frequently just for purposes

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of making it easier for people to get to the court.

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Don't worry, it's not you, it's us.

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I didn't figure I made the TV go out, but yes, please.

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We had an individual who appeared at the wrong courthouse last week.

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He went to South District Court up by Edmunds Community College and he was so scared

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of missing his court hearing he sprinted here and had a medical situation in our

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lobby, which you need handled very nicely by getting him snacks and a bus

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card to get back to where he needed to go. Okay, I think we're up and running

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behind me now.

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think I mentioned this all to you when we received the

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grant, but as part of that Blake bill, the legislature provided money for

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courts of limited jurisdiction, what they never had before for therapeutic

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courts. So we received a grant from the administrative office of the courts

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to help prop up and fund our community court.

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So we're really trying to look towards best way

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to provide services to individuals.

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We're working towards trainings,

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making sure we're trained in best practices

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for therapeutic and drug courts.

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And so that's something that's exciting,

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that's something that's gonna be ongoing.

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We're hoping that that will become

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an ongoing allocation of funds from the state

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so that we can continue having state funding

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to help our community court program.

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We're still working with our vendors, we've been working, talking a lot with Mindy Woods

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and Shannon Burley and their new Compass Health Outreach person to try and partner with human

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services to make sure we're not duplicating efforts on any front in terms of providing

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services.

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There are some things that we can do that it seems they can't do, there are some

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things they can do that we can't do just in terms of like for example our AOC grant

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out of Senate bill 5476, we can't gift anything because we can't gift public funds.

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So we can use that money to help.

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We're trying to get a bus ticket to go to their evaluation, but we cannot hand out stocks

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to them. And so trying to partner with human services is something we're trying to really

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keep moving towards as we go forward. And again, our main goal there is just to connect people

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with the underlying services. We've had some really nice success stories of people who

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have been struggling that we've been able to help either get mental health treatment,

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substance use disorder treatment. I'm sure you all know the public different funders

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have social workers that frequently get involved.

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And so it is a very team collaborative effort

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in terms of dealing with some of these individuals.

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And it's pretty exciting and heartwarming

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when you see someone sort of come out of that adversity

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and address those issues and feel really proud

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that they were becoming a productive member of society.

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This slide, I just kind of wanted to point out

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that between unique Omar Gamazar probation officer

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and I, that were really just involved

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in a lot of statewide organizations.

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When I came into this position, that was something I wanted to do because Judge Comern had done

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it. She really encouraged me to do it, but it's actually in this changing landscape been really

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important for us to stay on top of all the changes.

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Unique, I mean I'm not going to list her accolades here. She's working with the Minority

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Injustice Commission on Jury Demographics. She's an executive board member.

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What she's really so monumentally helpful to us

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is that we're going to a new case management system next year and everyone

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across the states kind of freaking out but Unique's like on that committee doing

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all those things so I am not freaking out because I know that she's gonna have

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it handled.

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Again we've talked about this before our DV MRT our MRT program a

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lot of studies about reducing recidivism, talking about moral

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recognition therapy, helping people understand why they made choices and

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and how to make better choices in the future.

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And so Omar Gamma is our long-time probation officer here.

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He helps train people with that.

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He's on the deferred prosecution revision work group.

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And then I'm working this year.

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I'm the co-chair of the legislative committee

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for the DMCJA.

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So there is just a lot of things going

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through the Washington legislature.

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This next legislative session that are gonna impact courts

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of limited jurisdiction.

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I'll talk about a couple in a few minutes.

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But it's just, it's been neat to see the way that our city is represented in these statewide

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organizations for court administrations.

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Court administrators, judges, and probation officers.

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Looking forward, so 5476, which was the Blake fix, it's sunsets in July of 2023.

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So I expect that legislators are going to be scrambling.

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When that sunsets, if they don't have new bill, then we go back to post-Blake

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pre-Senate bill 5476 which means that none of nothing is illegal that these

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cases won't come through our courts. So there are a lot of different ideas

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floating around there. I know that one senator is looking about doing something

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kind of like civil commitment which was the involuntary treatment to hospitals

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for mentally ill people for substance use disorder. People are trying to

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come up with creative ways to come at this but we're assuming that as long

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if something replaces it, it will be coming through our courts. But we will see. We're

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trying to update our jury summons process. So our jury trial terms are every first and

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third Thursday and Friday. When I got here, I was like, where are the bar codes for processing

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everyone? There's no bar code. It's not like every other court in Snohomish County.

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They're handwritten. I get a binder with handwritten information on them. It's a

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ton of work for our staff. I think it's a lot of work for the people responding.

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So we're hoping to update that process sometime soon just to make it easier for people having

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to report for a jury duty as well as our staff.

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Unique's been really focused on the language access plan through AOC and interpreter services

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trying to make sure that we are providing access to individuals who don't speak English

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as their primary language, making sure that we have a plan in place that we're all in

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compliance with.

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The change in the law, I think I talked about this last year for driving law license to

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spend in the third degree.

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This is such a big change in that before if you got a ticket, it said, I'll pay it, I'd

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like a mitigation hearing, I'd like a contested hearing, there's now I'd like a hearing on

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an ability to pay.

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And so people will be able to come in and say, here are my finances, here's what

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I can do, I can set monthly payments, I can convert to community service.

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So that'll go into effect next year, but and a lot of people are doing a lot

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of work, getting ready for that change.

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There's potential, and we're trying to keep our eye on this

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as we get through the next legislative session,

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for state funding for pretrial services

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that impact public safety.

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So there was a report that came out of the Supreme Court

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a couple years ago that said basically courts should not

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be passing on the cost of pretrial monitoring

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to court users.

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So for example, I frequently impose

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as a condition of release if someone

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has a prior DUI, an ignition interlock device.

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You can't drive your vehicle without blowing into it

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to ensure that you haven't been consuming alcohol.

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I order what's called a scram device which is a transdermal sensor to

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determine if someone's been consuming alcohol. If someone's violating a no

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contact order, I might order them to be on a GPS device so that my probation

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officer can see where they are and that they're not within a hundred yards of

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an address. Those all cost money and so we're hopeful that the state is

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going to provide some funding to pay for those pretrial services. And those

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are things that really impact sort of our confidence that people will

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follow-through with the conditions that get imposed on them if I find probable

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cause to believe that a crime has been committed and if I find that those are

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conditions that will help assuage any concerns that I might have about this

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person being in our community while this case is pending. We're going to

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transition to our new case management system in 2023. My life is in

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unique hands with that. I trust her with it. And then we're hoping that

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there may be some legislation coming through and we're going to look in

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our own way of doing this potentially. If the legislation doesn't come

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through about funding to expand pre-trial services, so including text and email reminders

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about upcoming court dates, probation appointments. You get them from your dentist. I feel like

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you can get them from your court too. So those are things that we are looking at moving

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forward. Those are my updates for the municipal court. Anybody has any questions? We'd be

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happy to entertain them.

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Council Member Bultons.

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Thank you very much, Judge Rivera and Unique. And thank you for adding those numbers

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to the PowerPoint, because I know many people were asking me about that.

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It is noticeable that some of the infractures in DUI and everything have gone way down.

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Do you correlate that to also with the fact we may have staffing issues with our police

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department?

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You know, I would guess that.

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It's so, being sitting in a court position is interesting because we don't control

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what comes in or really what the attorneys do with it, but I'm assuming that is

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part of it. I'm assuming that COVID had some things to do with that. Do you have

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any thoughts on the correlation? I think it has to do with staffing. Well, because I

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mean if you think about it, it doesn't just miraculously, these issues don't

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miraculously go away. No, I don't presume that people are speeding less or

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driving less after consuming alcohol. I think it is sort of a where you

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have, where that you have the bodies to go. And especially some of those

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those things are proactive measurements. So I think that that is very likely a correlation

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in the drop.

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Great. Okay. Thank you very much. Thanks again for answering my email and providing the

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numbers for us.

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Happy to do so. Thank you for sending that to me.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Payne.

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Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. Always the fun part of the year when we

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get to hear from you all.

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So, I was going to ask you, what is SCRAM, and I knew some of the other, you know, language

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there, but it's really great to hear that you are working on pretrial issues and hoping

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to make sure that we do keep people out of jail as much as we can, and still minding

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community safety.

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I guess, you know, what are the biggest challenges going to be with putting in

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the new case management system?

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The biggest challenges with the new case management system?

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That's great.

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Well, as you know, we've been on, because of your background,

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with the courts.

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We've been on the same case management system since 1983.

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And I explained today in a meeting

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that that means our printer is as large as my first car.

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And our system is a black screen with dots on it.

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So it's going to be a huge change with how

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the judge looks at the file, the papers processed internally, building mechanisms for people to

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respond by the web, which is not available currently. We will be able to add our recording

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immediately to our website based on it. You'll be able to access your documents

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faster. Some of the biggest problems is that we still do have some paper files of the old

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cases prior to going electronic during COVID. And so we do have many shelves of

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paper that we need to get all of those documents processed into the system

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before we launch. And then also getting everybody trained and on board. This is a

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system everybody has been trained in in the whole state. So every court going

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live and learning how to work a new system and the functionality and with

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staffing hard across the state. It's gonna be it's just gonna be a shock

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everybody but it's going to be very exciting because we're we're opening

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the doors to having the public be able to access their documents and respond

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and hopefully the access to justice will improve throughout the state. I think it

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will make it so that I can see what a no-contact order looks like in Whitman

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County, which is something I can't do now. So I think it's going to give

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judges better information and then it's going to allow the public to be

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able to also look at the information simultaneously. So I think it's just

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gonna help with transparency and then uniformity across courts to make sure

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that we're all seeing the same things. I think that's great news. Where are we

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storing our backup drives? I assume it's off-site, so if there's a power failure

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here. So we all of our backup drives are through the administrative office of

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the courts, so our judicial information system GIS or DISCIS is stored

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through AOC, our physical files through laser fish I believe are stored through

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the IT department of the city of Edmunds and I have no idea if they have

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backup generators but I would assume a government agency would have a second

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set of backups for our electronic files but the data that we put in regarding

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criminal histories or Department of Licensing is backed up through Olympia

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and they have multiple ways of backing that up. I'm only asking because I was

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in the courtroom. So we had the Cascadia earthquake and we had just switched over and so all of

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the we were able to access our stuff because it was stored out in Grant County. So yeah just

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lived experience. Good luck with everything. It sounds like you're going to have a fun year.

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Thank you.

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Councilor Lawrence. Thank you. Thank you for the presentation and thank you for the updated

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slides. My question for you is you mentioned some of the changes that came with COVID and

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going virtual. So with what you learned, what will be continued, you know, either in term

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or that you hope to make permanent going forward?

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Yeah. I mean, I think the hybrid appearances will stay. That will stay. So people who

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have court, there are certain statutes that don't allow people to appear, that require

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people to appear in person. You have an arraignment for a domestic violence offense. You have

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for a DUI statute says you have to be here in person.

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Otherwise, and the Supreme Court's modified

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some court rules that you can appear via Zoom.

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And I see people with hard hats who take their hat off

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and walk away from their construction

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to do their court hearing and walk back to it.

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And that should stay.

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Looking backwards pre-COVID, people

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spent so much time finding childcare,

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taking time off work, finding transportation

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to come to a court hearing that last 30 seconds

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because their attorney is asking for continuance. So that's all going to stay.

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When there's something that really substantive that needs to be addressed

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in court, court rules give me the authority to say, I'm setting this

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hearing over and you need to be here in person. So we're going to keep all that.

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And the rules evolved really quickly. Partly it was from the Supreme Court's response to

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pandemic. They can pass rules. They can pass emergency orders. Some of those

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emergencies orders are still in place, but they evolved really quickly as well

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for it to allow attorneys if they say I've communicated with my client they know their

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next court date to waive their presence also.

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So I think those are all going to stay.

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It was a really nice confluence that Judge Coburn had lined up going to paperless system

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with the pandemic happening so that we were able, Edmond's Municipal Court and this was

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under her, not me, I'm not taking any credit for this, really was a leader in this

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area in terms of transitioning to remote proceedings and all of that.

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And so I think we've learned a lot about the amount of obligations we put on people already

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struggling just to come to court.

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And I don't think that very many courts are going to be moving back to the old ways of

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doing that.

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Did that answer your question?

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Boy, was that okay?

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No, that's good to hear.

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I mean, I think, you know, in a lot of businesses, courts, city council, many things, we've

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00:28:56,150 --> 00:28:59,990
learned, there's been a silver lining in things that we've learned through this.

469
00:28:59,990 --> 00:29:02,850
So it's good to hear that you're keeping, you have the ability to keep some of those in place.

470
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:14,970
Final question, I remember going to, it was like a kudos presentation, I believe Omar Gomez put that on, probation officer, are we going to see that again?

471
00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:21,550
Is there one schedule? Because I found that to be very thought provoking and educational.

472
00:29:21,550 --> 00:29:29,030
It let me kind of get a peek inside and see and hear from people that were struggling previously,

473
00:29:29,290 --> 00:29:34,890
maybe still having gone through the court system, where they were today, what their

474
00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:40,430
struggles were, what they were still struggling with, but also how proud they were of the

475
00:29:40,430 --> 00:29:41,490
work that they had done.

476
00:29:42,490 --> 00:29:44,610
So I enjoyed that.

477
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:47,150
Yeah, you know, we don't have a kudos schedule.

478
00:29:47,150 --> 00:29:51,330
I think that that's something that kind of actually fell a little bit by the wayside

479
00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:58,690
during COVID, but we can talk to Mr. Gammes, and we get to see that pretty regularly.

480
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,040
Coming to court and sort of wanting to tell you, like, I have visitation with my daughter

481
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:12,460
again and I haven't seen her in years. And it is so moving. And so we should come up with

482
00:30:12,460 --> 00:30:16,880
a mechanism to share that with other members of our community because it is really special

483
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,420
and like gives you a lot of faith in the resiliency of human beings in those moments

484
00:30:21,420 --> 00:30:25,220
to see someone come before you who is struggling with substance use disorder, mental health,

485
00:30:25,220 --> 00:30:31,460
poverty and you're right it's sort of like how proud they are to show you what

486
00:30:31,460 --> 00:30:35,940
they've done and so it's it's we will we will add that to our list of things to

487
00:30:35,940 --> 00:30:39,260
follow up on. Thank you I think it really puts you know a human face to

488
00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:43,100
something we you know usually what we hear about is the worst of it and or

489
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:47,680
statistics or something like this this really put a human face to it. Yeah I

490
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,740
agree with you. Thank you for that suggestion.

491
00:30:52,050 --> 00:30:53,690
Council President. Well it's

492
00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:56,490
really fun to have you guys back. I know we were waiting a while for the

493
00:30:56,490 --> 00:31:00,530
reorganization and then you are flexible and I really appreciate that when we've

494
00:31:00,530 --> 00:31:04,410
had to move you on the schedule. So thank you for being here today and for your

495
00:31:04,410 --> 00:31:08,710
responsiveness. I found that to be a consistent treat. Then when we've had an

496
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:14,390
agenda item and there have been questions or, you know, an ask for something

497
00:31:14,390 --> 00:31:17,750
more that you always come through really quickly and I really appreciate

498
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:22,570
that. Specifically on your chart today, you know, really just I think the

499
00:31:22,570 --> 00:31:26,470
community is looking for a little bit more of a feedback loop between the

500
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:31,090
courts and the police and the staff. I'm thrilled to hear that you're working with

501
00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:35,370
human services directly. I think that's wonderful, but just to if everybody can

502
00:31:35,370 --> 00:31:40,210
get out of their silos, kind of that principle of public safety being

503
00:31:40,210 --> 00:31:44,030
everybody's issue and working together on it as community. Yeah,

504
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:48,530
absolutely. And any time we are we are happy to provide any of that

505
00:31:48,530 --> 00:31:51,750
information that as we go it doesn't even have to be at our state of the

506
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:56,550
court and you're right I think that like in terms of many overlapping circles that

507
00:31:56,550 --> 00:32:00,950
are not always aware of how overlapping that are communicating about their

508
00:32:00,950 --> 00:32:05,230
overlaps probably is maybe the way to put it. So thank you and thank you.

509
00:32:06,130 --> 00:32:10,870
Council Member Chen. Thank you Mr. Mayor. Thank you Judge Ribola and

510
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:19,270
for your informational update and the chat was very helpful. I do want to

511
00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:26,910
I do have a comment that we received complaints from the community that traffic is a problem.

512
00:32:28,050 --> 00:32:31,370
But from the numbers, it seems like the cases were very low.

513
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:36,950
In terms of traffic, is it a problem in terms of speeding or people driving poorly?

514
00:32:37,510 --> 00:32:37,650
Yeah.

515
00:32:38,430 --> 00:32:46,250
But I do have a question related to ordinance 4261 that took effect on June 19.

516
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:53,590
I know it's still pretty rickson, just wondering if there's any cases come or close your court

517
00:32:54,190 --> 00:32:55,150
because of the ordinance?

518
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:57,830
We have not seen any yet.

519
00:32:58,970 --> 00:32:59,390
So no.

520
00:33:00,670 --> 00:33:03,810
I'm not sure if and when that's coming, but not yet.

521
00:33:04,810 --> 00:33:05,230
Okay.

522
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:05,910
Thanks.

523
00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:06,550
Thank you.

524
00:33:07,150 --> 00:33:07,370
All

525
00:33:11,980 --> 00:33:12,240
right.

526
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,920
Not seeing any other lights blinking.

527
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:15,680
Thank you.

528
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:16,640
Judge Rivera, thank you.

529
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,580
Thank you very much.

530
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,360
Nice to see you.

531
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,560
I appreciate you having us.

532
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:20,260
Next

533
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,540
item on the agenda is approval of the agenda. Is there a motion to approve?

534
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,640
Is there a second? Moved and seconded. Discussion?

535
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,280
Councilmember Lord Johnson?

536
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:47,500
Yes, I would like to move that we move up discussion of council response to Supreme Court

537
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:49,620
decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.

538
00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:54,830
Up to be item number two.

539
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:57,230
Is there a second?

540
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:58,070
I would second.

541
00:33:58,330 --> 00:33:59,590
Moved and seconded.

542
00:34:01,940 --> 00:34:02,480
Discussion?

543
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,400
Make or the motion?

544
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:09,680
Oh, there are many in the audience here to hear that.

545
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:16,220
And they don't necessarily need to sit through the OPMA training that we are doing.

546
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,300
And so I think that is most respectful of those who came today.

547
00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:24,200
I know all the lights are.

548
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:25,780
Okay.

549
00:34:25,940 --> 00:34:26,760
Any other discussion?

550
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:32,120
Councillor Payne. I would totally support this motion mainly because of the

551
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:40,560
reasons stated and although I enjoy the OPM a training all the time really it's

552
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,520
the best stuff ever I do want to recognize that people who have come here

553
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,940
specifically to listen or speak on behalf of the resolution that's

554
00:34:50,940 --> 00:34:55,060
before council that I think that they do need to you know that out of

555
00:34:55,060 --> 00:35:01,200
respect for our community that we we move it up to item number two. Okay. I'm

556
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,300
seeing in there discussion all those in favor move item four to number two please

557
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:12,300
say aye. Aye. All those opposed. Amendment passes. Any other?

558
00:35:14,770 --> 00:35:15,950
Okay back to the main

559
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:21,050
motion to the agenda approval agenda as amended. All those in favor please say

560
00:35:24,590 --> 00:35:31,970
motion passes. All right, next item is audience comments. I do have a long list here which

561
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:37,990
is great. I do have a port commensurer that did ask if he could go first because he's

562
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:41,210
under the impression as I am too that he's probably not going to be talking about what

563
00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:45,110
most people are here hot talking about. So Mr. Commissioner Jay Grant could come up

564
00:35:45,110 --> 00:35:49,850
and do a quick port update and then we'll kick off the rest of the audience comments.

565
00:35:49,850 --> 00:35:51,790
but he only gets three minutes like everybody else.

566
00:35:55,770 --> 00:35:56,370
Thank you.

567
00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:58,970
I'm Mr. Mayor, Council President and Council Members.

568
00:35:59,650 --> 00:36:00,310
I am Jay Grant.

569
00:36:00,510 --> 00:36:02,770
I am a commissioner at the Port of Edmunds

570
00:36:02,770 --> 00:36:05,090
and as you know, I am the liaison to the city

571
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,670
of Edmunds and Woodway.

572
00:36:07,290 --> 00:36:09,190
I just want to update you on a couple of things.

573
00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:13,470
And again, as a new commissioner elected this year,

574
00:36:13,570 --> 00:36:15,750
I'm always fascinated by the questions I get,

575
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:18,290
which a lot of it is the fact that

576
00:36:18,620 --> 00:36:20,030
the Port is a separate government.

577
00:36:21,330 --> 00:36:23,970
It is under Washington state law.

578
00:36:24,370 --> 00:36:28,450
Works to help bring value and economic value to the community.

579
00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:32,450
And some of that I'd like to talk about a little bit tonight.

580
00:36:32,830 --> 00:36:35,690
I'm sorry I'm going to miss the OPM update.

581
00:36:36,450 --> 00:36:39,350
So I think I've been through it a couple of times already.

582
00:36:41,530 --> 00:36:46,170
Some of the things that happen at the port that directly affect the city of Edmunds

583
00:36:46,170 --> 00:36:50,910
is the fact obviously the businesses in the port do not we there's no property

584
00:36:50,910 --> 00:36:55,830
tax because it's government land and so there's a leasehold tax at the state of

585
00:36:55,830 --> 00:37:02,570
Washington charges it's nearly 13% and the City of Edmonds gets about 30% of

586
00:37:02,570 --> 00:37:08,010
that so it's rather a significant and the other part is that the sales tax

587
00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:12,590
that we generate most of it goes to the Edmonds City of Edmonds and to give

588
00:37:12,590 --> 00:37:21,270
you an example, Jacob, someone they sell a $300,000 boat, about $12,000 goes to the

589
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:22,810
city, almost 4%.

590
00:37:22,810 --> 00:37:26,310
So again, it's rather significant.

591
00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:31,930
And speaking of significant, one of the things I wanted to update you on is that sometime

592
00:37:31,930 --> 00:37:36,570
next week we will formally announce and start building a new port headquarters.

593
00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:45,150
that port headquarters cost about eight million dollars and with the taxes and

594
00:37:45,150 --> 00:37:49,210
fees that the port will pay the city that amounts to about four hundred thousand

595
00:37:49,210 --> 00:37:55,770
dollars so rather rather significant. One of the reasons that we're building the

596
00:37:55,770 --> 00:38:01,400
new port building other than the fact the other one's fallen apart after it's

597
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:09,600
built. We will demolish the old port building and we will work on constructing the north

598
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:15,940
side of the port walk because of its age and the life cycle. We have less than five years

599
00:38:15,940 --> 00:38:23,940
left, so about 900 feet. Basically from where the port building is all the way down to the

600
00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:31,560
fishing pier will be reconstructed and let's see what else. And then after that

601
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:37,260
basically because there'll be no building in place of it will be a park. So

602
00:38:37,260 --> 00:38:41,360
that's all I have to say tonight and thank you for the time. Have a good

603
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,620
evening. All right now for audience comments you've got a little taste of

604
00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:49,740
that but folks who haven't been here before you'll have three minutes

605
00:38:49,740 --> 00:38:52,460
you'll get you'll see the little green light light up and then the

606
00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:56,920
yellow lightbrinks when you have 30 seconds left and then the red flashing is when your

607
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,600
three minutes expired. We really want to stick to that time frame because we have a lot of

608
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,160
people signed up. We want to make sure everybody has an opportunity to be heard. We'll then

609
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:10,780
transition from in-person audience comments to virtual audience comments and they get

610
00:39:10,780 --> 00:39:15,020
the same three-minute limit except they get to do virtual raising of hands. And

611
00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:19,780
I will go through those rules when we get to that point. So first person I,

612
00:39:19,780 --> 00:39:25,780
And I'll call each person and then the person following up so that you can either if you'd like choose to sit or

613
00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:30,840
Be near the podium. So I have first Joan Longstaff followed by Rebecca Anderson

614
00:39:34,530 --> 00:39:36,890
Good evening mayor city council

615
00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:42,170
First of all, I would like to say a thank you to the city council

616
00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:48,070
For making a very special and Edmunds kind of a day with our with our parade

617
00:39:48,070 --> 00:39:51,830
It's wonderful the way that we're able to honor in our parade

618
00:39:51,830 --> 00:40:00,670
Our police, our fire, our service organizations, that's what makes Edmunds very, very special.

619
00:40:01,790 --> 00:40:12,450
You know, when we say the Pledge of Allegiance, we say one nation under God with liberty and justice for all.

620
00:40:12,750 --> 00:40:18,930
Well, we're almost in a civil war again in our country.

621
00:40:18,930 --> 00:40:27,410
scary, so divided, and it is so scary. And there's so many issues that you're dealing

622
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:35,470
with as a city council. Look at the shooting that happened in the Chicago parade. We have

623
00:40:35,470 --> 00:40:44,790
all these issues that are very, very important to us, to our community. But I also definitely

624
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:54,790
I only want to tell you that I think it is very inappropriate that our council is addressing

625
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,330
the women's rights and abortion.

626
00:40:59,470 --> 00:41:08,950
Fortunately, we live in a state where it is very pro-women's rights, and that voice

627
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:11,250
is very being heard.

628
00:41:14,690 --> 00:41:25,670
And so I want to speak about those of us who are for pro-life and we are your

629
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:33,610
constituents and I think the population of Edmunds is like 43,000, 580 or

630
00:41:33,610 --> 00:41:45,930
something and so there are thousands and thousands of people who you represent who are pro-life.

631
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:51,130
So I think it's very inappropriate that this is an issue.

632
00:41:51,270 --> 00:42:01,070
There are some very, very big issues that we need to work on and certainly you have

633
00:42:01,070 --> 00:42:12,510
a voice in this state and I approve us exercising that. But I do tell you that there are thousands

634
00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:19,050
and thousands of people in Edmunds that are pro-life and hopefully they're going to address

635
00:42:19,050 --> 00:42:21,050
you tonight. So thank you for your time.

636
00:42:23,590 --> 00:42:26,650
Next is Rebecca Anderson, followed by Denise Alvarado.

637
00:42:29,110 --> 00:42:34,030
Thank you, Council. It's with a heavy heart. I've spent the last several days reflecting

638
00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:38,930
on the reproductive freedom resolution before counsel this evening, and as I pondered I kept

639
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:44,230
asking myself, are we really going to spend taxpayer time and resources discussing a resolution

640
00:42:44,660 --> 00:42:49,390
that will endorse abortion so Edmonds can claim to be an abortion sanctuary? Does Edmonds

641
00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:55,530
need to be an abortion sanctuary? Washington State has very liberal abortion laws. In

642
00:42:55,530 --> 00:42:59,750
fact, abortion is legal in our state, was illegal years before the Roe decision

643
00:42:59,750 --> 00:43:06,550
in 1973. During our state's last legislation session, a law was passed that no longer requires

644
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:12,390
only doctors to perform abortions and replaces the word woman with person. So now in our state,

645
00:43:12,490 --> 00:43:16,750
it is legal for not just a woman, but a person to get an abortion and it no longer has to be

646
00:43:16,750 --> 00:43:22,110
done by a doctor. Women, I mean people in our state, have very few barriers to obtain an

647
00:43:22,110 --> 00:43:28,150
abortion. Why does Edmunds need to be an abortion sanctuary? And what about those in our

648
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:32,430
The city who have been wounded physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually by abortion

649
00:43:32,430 --> 00:43:34,970
has anyone stopped to think about them?

650
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:40,550
With almost half a century of abortion on demand in our country, resulting in the death

651
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:48,530
of 63.5 million children, many of us probably know at least one woman who has had an abortion.

652
00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:55,170
These are grandmothers, mothers, sisters, daughters, aunties, nieces and cousins in

653
00:43:55,170 --> 00:44:00,150
our families, and the loss they feel needs to be acknowledged, it would be callous to

654
00:44:00,150 --> 00:44:05,330
do otherwise as we talk about our city declaring itself a safe place that encourages women

655
00:44:05,330 --> 00:44:06,430
to have abortions.

656
00:44:07,050 --> 00:44:08,110
What happens in an abortion?

657
00:44:09,010 --> 00:44:12,170
A life of a tiny human being ends.

658
00:44:13,290 --> 00:44:15,470
Not all women want to kill their unborn children.

659
00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:19,170
Not all women who have had, aborted their children are glad they did it.

660
00:44:19,630 --> 00:44:23,150
Many women who have had abortions deal with regret and great loss.

661
00:44:23,730 --> 00:44:28,890
If you have been directly or indirectly affected by abortion, I am sorry.

662
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:32,250
I am so very, very sorry.

663
00:44:32,890 --> 00:44:38,270
Our culture failed you when you needed life-affirming support and love for you and your unborn child.

664
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:40,790
Please be consoled that you are not alone.

665
00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:46,510
I pray that you have encountered the healing mercy of God, and if you haven't, I pray you do.

666
00:44:47,070 --> 00:44:49,610
If you started on that path, I pray you continue.

667
00:44:49,610 --> 00:44:54,350
There are several beautiful ministries specifically for women who have experienced the hurt and

668
00:44:54,350 --> 00:44:56,670
sorrow of abortion, including Project Rachel.

669
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:59,970
It doesn't matter how long it's been since you were born.

670
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,060
There is healing help available if you want it.

671
00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:08,640
I'll finish by quoting Mother Teresa when she spoke at the 1982 Harvard commencement.

672
00:45:10,180 --> 00:45:14,980
It is something unbelievable that today a mother herself murders her own child,

673
00:45:15,260 --> 00:45:20,020
afraid of having to feed one more child, afraid to educate one more child,

674
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,080
a nation, people, family that allows that, that accepts that,

675
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,620
that are the poorest of the poor.

676
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,520
They are the poorest of the poor.

677
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,660
For the good of admins, please let no one this resolution.

678
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:33,700
The women of admins deserve better.

679
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:34,680
Thank you.

680
00:45:35,860 --> 00:45:40,900
Denise Alvarado, followed by Janet Way.

681
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,060
I'm Mayor and Council Members.

682
00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:51,400
Admins is considering a very divisive resolution that has been handled already at the state and federal levels.

683
00:45:52,780 --> 00:45:56,760
A nonpartisan council should not be making such a resolution.

684
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:02,040
It is very inappropriate and does not reflect the views of many admin citizens.

685
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,440
Washington State has had abortion rights in place even prior to 1973.

686
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,280
Certain council members are fear mongering with this resolution in what appears to be

687
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,160
a knee-jerk and incredibly partisan reaction.

688
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:26,160
I do not want funds, my taxes, going to pay for any support for an already well-endowed

689
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,440
Planned Parenthood.

690
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:33,640
There's discussion for protection or an escort for people going into the Planned Parenthood

691
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:34,720
here on 196.

692
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,320
I'm not very well-informed, but I don't think there has ever been need for any protection.

693
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I would like to point out that there has recently been vandalism and threatening graffiti at

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00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:53,240
our local pregnancy center that serves and supports women who are seeking help while they're

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00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,360
pregnant and after they're pregnant.

696
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:04,600
I'm just questioning also that Planned Parenthood is outside of the city council city limits.

697
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:16,060
So it is our pregnancy center. If any consideration is given to Planned Parenthood protection, I would also like it to be given to the pregnancy center.

698
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:27,420
I want to let you know I have personal experience. I gave birth to a 26 and a half year old, 26 and a half week old baby and cared for that baby.

699
00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:33,000
I know what a preterm infant looks like.

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00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:40,240
Washington State currently allows abortion up to 24 to 28 weeks.

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00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:48,200
My son is now 26, and he is, I never mind.

702
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:55,140
About 97% of biologists recognize that life does begin at conception.

703
00:47:55,620 --> 00:47:56,440
This is science.

704
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:06,560
Abortion is killing a genetically unique human being, and 800,000 abortions happen in this country a year.

705
00:48:09,170 --> 00:48:14,290
It's very divisive what you're considering. There are many of us who don't support it.

706
00:48:14,910 --> 00:48:21,590
And I wish the City Council would consider just wipe off this resolution. Thank you.

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00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:26,890
Next is Janet Way, followed by Marilyn Chase.

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00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:50,240
I'm Ganna Way. I'm actually from Shoreline, one of your neighbors, and I'm excited to

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be here to speak to you, and I'm very excited to hear that this resolution is coming before

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00:48:56,140 --> 00:49:04,540
you. I support the proposed resolution because women's rights are human rights, and reproductive

711
00:49:04,540 --> 00:49:10,140
Reproductive rights are health care and we need to support women's health care.

712
00:49:15,380 --> 00:49:19,300
I appreciate your willingness to take up this resolution.

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It will benefit families, the economy and the human rights of women, children and men.

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00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:34,710
I ask you that you please vote yes to support access to reproductive choice.

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00:49:35,710 --> 00:49:41,110
It matters, I suspect, to the majority of your voters.

716
00:49:41,790 --> 00:49:42,870
Thank you very much.

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00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:54,960
Folks, so I would expect courtesy from all of you when you're speaking to let those people speak uninterrupted.

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00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:56,720
So please keep the noise down to a minimum.

719
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:57,600
Thank you.

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Next is Marilyn Chase, followed by Tony Shapiro.

721
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Thank you.

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00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:03,640
Good evening, Council.

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I want to commend you for bringing this very important issue that threatens our democracy

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00:50:12,690 --> 00:50:14,800
to the public policy discussions.

725
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:22,360
The U.S. Supreme Court just recently overturned the constitutional rights of young women,

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00:50:24,860 --> 00:50:29,840
the right to control one's own body, but that is only the beginning.

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00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:37,520
The U.S. Supreme Court has seriously challenged the First Amendment to the Constitution mandating

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00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,940
the separation of church and state.

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00:50:40,860 --> 00:50:47,300
This country was established as what the first time in the history of the world without

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00:50:47,660 --> 00:50:51,460
a religious official religious doctrine.

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We have a total separation of church and state.

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00:50:56,060 --> 00:51:02,980
that's being challenged. The state of Washington has struggled, I'd like to

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00:51:02,980 --> 00:51:08,560
address now that the hospital mergers issues just briefly. We're struggling

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with the idea of the hospital mergers. 49% of our hospitals in this

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00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:21,640
state are owned and managed by the Catholic Church. They are managed

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00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:27,840
according to the ethical and religious directives of the Catholic health care

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00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:34,540
services of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. If you go to a Catholic

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00:51:34,540 --> 00:51:41,260
hospital, that's 49% of them in this state, everyone is treated as if they

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00:51:41,260 --> 00:51:48,100
are a Catholic and can only receive medical care that adheres to the

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00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:56,380
Catholic religious directives. The religious directives governing hospital policies in half

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00:51:56,380 --> 00:52:04,300
of Washington hospitals prohibit a full range of reproductive health services, even if the

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00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:14,440
woman's life is in danger, including ectopic pregnancies. These hospital directives prohibit

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00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:21,600
death with dignity. That's sort of a direct challenge to the constitutional

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00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,940
rights of old people.

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00:52:25,980 --> 00:52:34,520
And it also prohibits contraception. It can prohibits

746
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:39,880
in vitro fertilization. The only way some families can have access to building

747
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:48,200
in their families, and they prohibit care for LGBTQ patients and more.

748
00:52:49,460 --> 00:52:52,140
We have a serious public policy issue here.

749
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:57,920
Again, I thank you for the opportunity to raise these important public policy issues

750
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that I believe threaten fundamentally our democracy.

751
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:02,820
Thank you very much.

752
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,740
Next, we have Tony Shapiro, followed by Colleen Tracy.

753
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:11,230
Good evening.

754
00:53:11,230 --> 00:53:14,530
Thank you for the opportunity to express my thoughts on this matter.

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00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:21,850
One would hope that the primary and overriding objective of members of this council and any

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00:53:21,850 --> 00:53:26,890
council for that matter is to focus on the challenges and issues which affect the efficient

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00:53:26,890 --> 00:53:28,390
management of our city.

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00:53:29,330 --> 00:53:34,730
This council recently exemplified this objective when it denied permission for camping on public

759
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:42,330
property and I applaud the council for taking this matter up and solving this problem before

760
00:53:42,330 --> 00:53:47,950
it became an overwhelming issue and I saw that it is difficult to stop once it is permitted

761
00:53:47,950 --> 00:53:49,690
on government property.

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00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:57,850
Yet to take up the issues outside of the parameters that in many regards are counterproductive

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00:53:57,850 --> 00:54:02,390
in the efficient use of your time and detracts from constructive efforts to move the

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city in a positive direction. Having this discussion focuses the issues which are outside

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00:54:10,650 --> 00:54:15,690
of the legal parameters that this council has the authority to govern. Additionally,

766
00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:21,570
by bringing this issue to the forefront, effectively divides our citizenry in a fashion

767
00:54:21,570 --> 00:54:25,190
that does no objective good for the overall well-being of our community.

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00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:32,370
This was

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abortion. Morally, I am opposed to abortion and deeply believe that God does not look lightly

770
00:54:39,610 --> 00:54:45,430
or kindly upon the taking of innocent human life. And for anyone to argue that abortion

771
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:51,650
is not the taking of life is not looking at the facts. The DNA of the fetus in a woman

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00:54:51,650 --> 00:54:58,490
is not her DNA. The heartbeat within the woman is not her heartbeat. She is the caretaker

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00:54:58,490 --> 00:55:04,050
of that baby being formed and knitted together in within her room and the

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00:55:04,050 --> 00:55:08,130
responsibility of the woman and subsequent mother to care for and cherish

775
00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:13,810
that life. Abortion does neither of these things and I believe degrades all

776
00:55:13,810 --> 00:55:18,690
individuals involved bringing the stain upon womanhood and upon our society

777
00:55:18,690 --> 00:55:20,010
and country. Thank you.

778
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:48,940
I support the strongest resolution possible to protect and keep abortion access safe, legal,

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00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:49,640
and available.

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00:55:49,640 --> 00:56:03,080
For example, I also have concerns regarding access to other health resources such as birth control, family planning, and general health care that could also go down with the ship.

781
00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:14,940
Access is imperative. It's vital. I had a couple men shout to me the other day as I was out in support of pro-choice. It's still legal here.

782
00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:17,540
And I thought, well, for how long?

783
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:26,580
The people, some in this room, who want women and many other minorities to have fewer and

784
00:56:26,580 --> 00:56:33,960
fewer rights are never going to stop chipping away until, well, I don't want to find out.

785
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:39,140
I am so saddened and sickened and feeling very unsure for our country.

786
00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:44,580
I cannot imagine the feelings of horror for women in those states with Stone Age

787
00:56:44,580 --> 00:56:51,200
abortion laws now and in the near future. So sad. My request is that you protect our rights

788
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:57,600
and keep us out of the Stone Age with whatever is in your power to do. Reach deep. It's absolutely

789
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:04,700
appropriate for you to do this. Not inappropriate. It's appropriate. It's important. We can't

790
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:10,300
do it alone. We need help. We need our allies near, far.

791
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,940
We need you. The young people need

792
00:57:15,940 --> 00:57:22,920
you. It's not just a women's issue. Young men will pay for this, too. This lack of access.

793
00:57:24,380 --> 00:57:27,300
Yeah, sure, it's legal here. But again, for how long?

794
00:57:30,260 --> 00:57:31,920
We just need to protect ourselves.

795
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,180
We need to protect each other.

796
00:57:34,180 --> 00:57:36,100
There's a lot of people in this room that say,

797
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I heard forced abortion.

798
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:39,820
It's not forced abortion.

799
00:57:39,860 --> 00:57:41,420
Nobody's forcing anybody to have an abortion.

800
00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:42,100
Get over it.

801
00:57:43,180 --> 00:57:46,000
The reality is that some people need to have them.

802
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,020
But whatever their choice is,

803
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:48,860
it doesn't matter.

804
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:49,860
It's their choice.

805
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:51,900
It needs to be their choice.

806
00:57:52,660 --> 00:57:53,580
Thank you so much.

807
00:57:55,580 --> 00:57:57,440
Next is Karen Chase,

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00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,000
followed by Patty Whitmarsh.

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00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,080
Good

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00:58:07,090 --> 00:58:13,210
evening, Council. It is, I really appreciate, my name is Karen Chase, I'm a proud Edmunds

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00:58:13,210 --> 00:58:18,010
resident, an active community member, and I appreciate the time that you're going to

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00:58:18,010 --> 00:58:24,850
be taking today to discuss the Roe, the, I believe you call it the Council response

813
00:58:24,850 --> 00:58:31,490
to the Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. I'm also coming to you as

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one of the majority of the women in our country and community members that support the protections

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00:58:39,530 --> 00:58:46,450
that were afforded by Roe v. Wade. And I am terribly, terribly angry and disappointed

816
00:58:46,450 --> 00:58:54,050
that now, the first time in our history, the generations of young women now have fewer

817
00:58:54,050 --> 00:59:02,310
rights than their mothers. This makes me so angry, so angry and disappointed in the leadership

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00:59:02,310 --> 00:59:07,910
that's been shown at our highest court. So when I saw that this resolution was being

819
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brought forward by Council Member Johnson and Council Member Payne, it gave me faith

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in our elected officials and I am so pleased that right now this resolution is going

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to be talked about tonight, and that this council has an opportunity to show the leadership

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that we need in our community. We need this. We need to know that our leaders have our

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back, that they recognize that our rights are under attack, and that I'm urging everyone

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in our discussion to support this resolution that's been brought forward. I'm particularly

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thrilled to be able to be here and read into the record the actions of this resolution because

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I don't believe many of us here have had a chance to read it.

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So with your permission,

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therefore, be it resolved.

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The City Council of Edmunds, Washington, that. The Edmunds City Council adopts this resolution

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to express its official position in support of amendments to the Washington State and United

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01:00:12,310 --> 01:00:18,790
States Constitution to codify an individual's right to comprehensive, safe and accessible

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01:00:18,790 --> 01:00:24,930
reproductive health care, including abortion, contraception, gender-affirming health care

833
01:00:24,930 --> 01:00:31,810
care and marriage equality and urge our federal and state legislators to act in support of

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said rights.

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The Admin City Council also directs copies of this resolution to be sent to the Governor

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Inslee and representatives as a means of showing support of a constitutional amendment

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guaranteeing full access to abortion care services and increasing oversight of hospital

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01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:53,730
mergers that have often interfered with the reproductive health services for all

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01:00:53,730 --> 01:00:59,950
people. Edmunds is a supportive community and we welcome people from other

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01:00:59,950 --> 01:01:03,110
states coming to the area for full support of legal and safe reproductive

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01:01:03,110 --> 01:01:10,370
services. And we also direct that this policy by the City of Edmunds that the

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01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:13,790
police department will not commit any of their police services to the

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01:01:13,790 --> 01:01:17,850
pursuit of any investigations related to those people who are seeking or

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01:01:17,850 --> 01:01:21,190
providing abortion. Please conclude your marks. Thank you. I'm just reading your

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01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:24,750
resolution into the record. And that's if you could do that under three minutes.

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You're great. Otherwise, we'll let all the other folks go next. Thank you very much.

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01:01:28,330 --> 01:01:32,570
I appreciate your leadership. Please make us proud Edmond City Council. Next is

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01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:39,050
Mark Ibsen, followed by Ruth, I apologize if I mispronounce, Pairi.

849
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:46,090
Excuse me. Hi. Am I next Ms. Patty Whitmarsh? Yes. Thank you so much. My

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01:01:46,090 --> 01:01:46,890
My name is Patty Wittmarsh.

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I live here in Edmunds.

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And I oppose the resolution entitled

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01:01:50,790 --> 01:01:52,070
Reproductive Freedom.

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01:01:53,090 --> 01:01:54,870
The Supreme Court of the United States

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01:01:55,230 --> 01:01:59,670
is the final arbiter in law of the land of the Constitution.

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01:02:00,690 --> 01:02:03,950
They have corrected the error after nearly 50 years

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01:02:04,590 --> 01:02:08,670
in the death of over 63 million unborn babies.

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01:02:09,630 --> 01:02:12,410
As the city council, you swore an oath

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01:02:12,750 --> 01:02:14,690
to uphold the Constitution.

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01:02:14,690 --> 01:02:17,670
And if you do not, you are in violation.

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01:02:18,650 --> 01:02:22,990
Nowhere in the Constitution does it say abortion is a right.

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01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:30,050
Using your city council position to further your opinion or ideological view to what

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01:02:30,050 --> 01:02:36,110
the Supreme Court of the United States has already determined is outside of your jurisdiction

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01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:41,250
and does not represent myself nor the many Edmunds citizens.

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No city council should ever deny an unborn baby its life or right to live.

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01:02:49,470 --> 01:02:54,230
You can better serve the citizens of Edmunds by dropping this resolution immediately.

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01:02:55,350 --> 01:03:00,590
Our country has been in the state of great division and moral decline.

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01:03:01,610 --> 01:03:07,350
By pursuing this resolution of reproductive freedom, we'll only further hostility

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01:03:07,350 --> 01:03:14,090
and prevent our City of Edmonds from being a place of nonpartisan, wholesome, and quality

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01:03:14,090 --> 01:03:22,290
living. On July 1, 2022, I sent each of the City Council members of Edmonds an email stating

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01:03:22,290 --> 01:03:31,770
my concerns. I want to thank Vivian and Diane and Neil for their prompt responses. Unfortunately,

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01:03:31,770 --> 01:03:33,630
Certainly, I never heard from the others.

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01:03:34,650 --> 01:03:40,670
In closing, I am asking each of the Edmunds City Council members to search your hearts.

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01:03:42,050 --> 01:03:48,530
Stay within the parameters in which you vowed and oath, and I ask you to seek godly wisdom,

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01:03:49,350 --> 01:03:56,210
discernment, prudence, and righteousness as you strive for peace and unity in this

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01:03:56,210 --> 01:03:57,550
great city of Edmunds.

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01:03:57,870 --> 01:03:58,970
Thank you for your time.

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01:03:58,970 --> 01:04:00,010
Next

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01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,380
is Mark Gibson, followed by Ruth.

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01:04:09,830 --> 01:04:15,130
Hello, Edmund City Council. Thank you very much for having the opportunity to speak to you today.

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01:04:16,850 --> 01:04:24,970
As an Edmund citizen for over 25 years, I'd like to register my opposition for the resolution regarding abortion freedom.

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01:04:26,490 --> 01:04:33,250
Briefly, this is primarily a state issue and should not be taken on by a small city.

883
01:04:33,250 --> 01:04:36,870
I think it's been said before. There are other issues to be concerned with.

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01:04:37,850 --> 01:04:45,690
Its impact will actually be very small and will be seen to be just purely partisan and will divide our city.

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01:04:47,530 --> 01:04:53,470
The unborn citizens are the most vulnerable and need our voices too.

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01:04:54,870 --> 01:05:02,110
In regards to my detractors, respect for the rights of human life knows no specific gender.

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01:05:02,110 --> 01:05:08,350
I respectfully request that the council votes no to this resolution.

888
01:05:08,670 --> 01:05:09,830
Thank you very much.

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01:05:24,620 --> 01:05:25,760
Good evening, council.

890
01:05:26,180 --> 01:05:27,820
My name is Ruth Johnson-Peary.

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01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:33,580
And I want to thank you first for the many ways that you serve our community.

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01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:41,640
Thank all the citizens as well for what they do to bake Edmunds a beautiful place to be.

893
01:05:43,540 --> 01:05:49,940
I'm here also in support of the opposition for this resolution.

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01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:57,720
I hear that we need respect to women that have chosen abortions.

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01:05:57,980 --> 01:06:08,300
I have many friends that have done so and I understand the reasons why because of choices

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01:06:08,300 --> 01:06:09,600
I have made myself.

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01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:21,260
But looking back at the choices, there's also a choice for a life that we as women must

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01:06:21,260 --> 01:06:27,720
consider a life of a human being that was placed inside of our home.

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And I want to take this time to plead to women, to speak to you.

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01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:46,380
There was a reason why a human being was placed in a room for us to nurture and to protect.

901
01:06:46,980 --> 01:06:48,640
You were one of those.

902
01:06:49,480 --> 01:07:00,580
My mother, in 1974, when abortion was legalized in Sweden, was told because of medical reasons she should have an abortion.

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01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:02,500
She chose not.

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01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:13,220
28 years later after my, the day before my sister was to marry, my mom had a massive heart attack and we needed a cardiac arrest.

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01:07:13,540 --> 01:07:19,420
And who was there to revive her but that daughter, my sister Rebecca?

906
01:07:20,380 --> 01:07:28,440
That woman has gone on to be a math and science teacher to advocate for the poor and the needy.

907
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:35,140
She's an immigrant, she lives there in France, and she works with orphan children, and works

908
01:07:35,140 --> 01:07:36,600
with children abroad.

909
01:07:36,940 --> 01:07:39,260
She's lived in Africa, she's gone to Thailand.

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01:07:40,020 --> 01:07:48,460
My mother sits here as an evidence of life in the, reaching out to people, drug addicts

911
01:07:48,460 --> 01:07:52,560
that we grew up with in our home, that we reached out, that we saw life change.

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So does life matter?

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Absolutely.

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And I urge you as a city council to put this resolution aside and consider life and consider

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01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,680
the men that also have stake in this issue.

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01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,060
They also need to have 50% of the vote.

917
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:10,900
There are plenty of women here.

918
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:12,120
I don't see enough men.

919
01:08:12,460 --> 01:08:19,200
And we need to also respect that it is their child just as much as I.

920
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:25,700
If we decide that they're going to pay for it after the child's born, so does it matter

921
01:08:25,700 --> 01:08:30,880
that we let them have a choice when the child is in the room.

922
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:32,760
Thank you very much, Kansan.

923
01:08:34,940 --> 01:08:42,720
Tiffany Mecca, followed by Cassie and Fredo.

924
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:43,120
Thank you.

925
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,600
It's more that I can't read the handwriting, not that I couldn't pronounce it, but no,

926
01:08:47,700 --> 01:08:47,880
you're good.

927
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,840
There's more I can't read, so yeah.

928
01:08:54,010 --> 01:08:55,490
Hi, my name is Tiffany Mecca.

929
01:08:55,790 --> 01:08:56,890
I live in Edmunds.

930
01:08:57,650 --> 01:08:59,450
And I'm here today to ask this council,

931
01:09:00,170 --> 01:09:03,550
well I'm here today to speak in support of the resolution

932
01:09:03,550 --> 01:09:05,610
in opposition to the Supreme Court decision

933
01:09:05,610 --> 01:09:06,950
that overturned Roe v. Wade.

934
01:09:07,390 --> 01:09:09,630
I'm asking, or I'm here to support the most,

935
01:09:09,810 --> 01:09:11,890
the strongest version of that resolution,

936
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:14,090
which is option number one.

937
01:09:14,970 --> 01:09:17,150
And somebody who's grown up her entire life knowing

938
01:09:17,850 --> 01:09:20,330
that I had this protection if I needed it.

939
01:09:21,230 --> 01:09:28,730
And what it did for me as a young woman growing up was it told me that my life, what I wanted,

940
01:09:29,150 --> 01:09:38,070
my dreams, who I was mattered, whether or not I wanted to be a parent or not, mattered.

941
01:09:38,570 --> 01:09:45,510
And that my existence mattered independently of whether or not I was going to be a mother

942
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:47,190
or bear a child.

943
01:09:49,210 --> 01:09:53,990
And I went to bed on Thursday night a little over a week ago

944
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:59,490
and I had that right and I felt, I knew it was coming but it was still there. And

945
01:09:59,490 --> 01:10:07,670
when I woke up on Friday morning at like 8, 10 a.m. it was just gone. And I've

946
01:10:07,670 --> 01:10:13,370
watched years and years of this right being chipped away at the federal

947
01:10:13,370 --> 01:10:14,770
level and in other states.

948
01:10:16,930 --> 01:10:21,130
And it's terrifying. I was terrified and so angry

949
01:10:21,130 --> 01:10:22,130
that Friday.

950
01:10:25,310 --> 01:10:30,410
It felt like an emergency. I went to bed having rights. I woke up

951
01:10:30,410 --> 01:10:39,980
and they were gone. And I think a lot about this issue as a person who can

952
01:10:39,980 --> 01:10:44,880
get pregnant who doesn't want to and also as a person who has a lot of

953
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:52,720
privileged in that decision. I've always had the ability to access birth control. I've had parents

954
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:57,160
who were understanding and understood the full implications of what it can mean to be pregnant

955
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:03,780
when you're not ready. My mom was 19 and always had frank conversations with me about that.

956
01:11:04,140 --> 01:11:09,380
I've always had access to healthcare. I have a partner who I can trust who doesn't hurt me

957
01:11:09,380 --> 01:11:14,360
and in case I needed to have an abortion or be on birth control, I could get it.

958
01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:19,780
I didn't have any sort of health condition that would make being on birth control dangerous

959
01:11:19,780 --> 01:11:20,360
to me.

960
01:11:20,580 --> 01:11:24,400
I mean, it was very, everything aligned for me.

961
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,500
Most, well, not everybody has that.

962
01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:35,900
And I think it is absolutely the place of this county council and for the city

963
01:11:35,900 --> 01:11:40,200
admins to support this resolution because if we're not going to do it on a

964
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:45,560
local level, I mean this is where it is. This is what I'm constantly telling my

965
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,540
younger siblings that you have to get involved at the county level and that

966
01:11:48,540 --> 01:11:54,240
you have to be in support of other people's rights. And I guess the other

967
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,680
thing I just wanted to add very briefly is I think about this in the

968
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,560
extent of all the other medical decisions that people can't force me to

969
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,060
do to even help another person like give blood, donate a kidney.

970
01:12:04,060 --> 01:12:05,440
If you could please conclude your marks.

971
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:07,140
Wear a mask.

972
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,240
But yet we're going to force women to bear a child.

973
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:15,520
Next is Cassie Freedle followed by Megan Wolf.

974
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:32,490
Let the record show that I am wearing the wings and blood red color depicted in a handmaid's tale.

975
01:12:33,250 --> 01:12:35,570
The late and great Ruth Bader Ginsburg said,

976
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:38,090
Speak your mind even if your voice shakes.

977
01:12:38,930 --> 01:12:42,610
I was nine years old and in the fourth grade when I got my period.

978
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:44,110
Let that sink in.

979
01:12:44,110 --> 01:12:54,610
At nine years old, I was fertile. At nine years old, I could have had a child, a fetus that would have killed me as I tried to carry something that I couldn't comprehend.

980
01:12:55,430 --> 01:13:03,330
I would have been carrying a death sentence. How many of you council members have daughters or mothers, aunts, grandmothers or granddaughters?

981
01:13:03,810 --> 01:13:09,290
Would you have stood by and watched a handful of cells rupture your daughter's uterus and watched her die?

982
01:13:09,290 --> 01:13:16,830
No, you wouldn't you would do everything in your power to save your loved one. If you are thinking it's God's plan

983
01:13:16,830 --> 01:13:20,370
I would have let her die. You are lying to yourself

984
01:13:20,370 --> 01:13:24,910
No one should have to be forced to be an incubator because it's God's will

985
01:13:24,910 --> 01:13:31,370
Yet across the nation women of all ages are being forced to carry a handful of cells that could kill them

986
01:13:31,370 --> 01:13:37,670
They are carrying stillborns and having etopic pregnancies that will cause sepsis or a ruptured fallopian tube

987
01:13:37,670 --> 01:13:42,990
that will surely kill them. In North Carolina last week, patients with lupus

988
01:13:42,990 --> 01:13:47,030
and rheumatoid arthritis were denied life-saving medication because they are

989
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:52,210
a viable fertility age. Across the nation doctors are being forced to break

990
01:13:52,210 --> 01:13:56,870
their sacred oath of doing no harm because of four men and one woman who

991
01:13:56,870 --> 01:14:01,810
swore to protect our Constitution. For those of you that say, oh it will never

992
01:14:01,810 --> 01:14:05,890
be outlawed in Washington, why are we fighting? We shouldn't have to have it

993
01:14:05,890 --> 01:14:10,710
happen to ourselves or loved ones for us to care. As elected representatives, you

994
01:14:10,710 --> 01:14:15,250
are elected to follow your constituents will. Edmunds demands that you protect

995
01:14:15,250 --> 01:14:18,870
its daughters and push forward in securing reproductive rights in this

996
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:23,410
city. If you let your personal views or grudges overrule your duty as our

997
01:14:23,410 --> 01:14:27,650
representatives, then shame on you. You may not see the repercussions of your

998
01:14:27,650 --> 01:14:32,030
actions right now or even in five years, but believe me that myself and

999
01:14:32,030 --> 01:14:36,550
your constituents will do everything in our power to unseat you and someday soon

1000
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:41,610
you will realize that you were a coward but it will be too late too late for a

1001
01:14:41,610 --> 01:14:43,770
nine-year-old girl I am June.

1002
01:14:47,860 --> 01:14:51,360
Megan Wolf followed by again tough time with

1003
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:59,960
reading this I want to say Soutiz maybe Maria Contillo. Thank you go

1004
01:15:00,740 --> 01:15:05,680
Hi, I'm Megan Wolfe, live in Edmunds, and I want to express my gratitude to

1005
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,520
councilmember Payne and Johnson for putting this forward at a time when it

1006
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:14,340
feels like everyone in power is doing a lot of awful things. It is nice to know

1007
01:15:14,340 --> 01:15:20,200
local officials have our back. I echo a lot of what has been said about having

1008
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:24,320
our rights taken away. I feel like I am now all of a sudden seen as a vessel

1009
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:28,160
to have babies, and I am much more than that, as are all people who can

1010
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:34,460
become pregnant. We deserve equal easy access to basic health care, which is what abortion

1011
01:15:34,460 --> 01:15:40,400
is. And I think that for me, one of the things that I really struggle with in this very emotional

1012
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:45,360
topic is the hypocrisy of people who claim that they're for life that aren't out here

1013
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:50,360
fighting for things that would actually save lives. Easier access to health care, better

1014
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:56,140
sex education at all ages, things that would actually prevent the need for more

1015
01:15:56,140 --> 01:16:00,320
abortion, but also abortion is something that should be easy to access as needed.

1016
01:16:00,700 --> 01:16:07,820
It saves lives and I can say as someone who has had a miscarriage that what came out of

1017
01:16:07,820 --> 01:16:13,080
my body when I had a miscarriage in no way resembled a human life and the fact that people

1018
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:17,640
are fighting for that sack of cells over a human being that's living and breathing

1019
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:21,140
and contributing to society is really hard for me to wrap my brain around.

1020
01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:22,900
I strongly support this resolution.

1021
01:16:22,900 --> 01:16:28,600
I think the local level is where we can actually have a very big impact because you're telling the constituents that live here that you

1022
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:33,980
Care about them and you see them as whole human beings, and I very much appreciate the work you're doing. Thank you

1023
01:16:37,820 --> 01:16:42,440
So just want to apologize in advance for not be mispronouncing your name or not be able to read it

1024
01:16:42,440 --> 01:16:50,040
My name is Sophia Murray, and I'm a high school student and a resident of Edmunds

1025
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:55,980
I support this resolution because it supports me my peers and many others

1026
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:04,960
The council should also know that the U.S. was remarkable when it formed because we're

1027
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,220
not religiously affiliated.

1028
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,920
And thank you for coming together.

1029
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,740
Don Moulson, followed by Stephanie Smith.

1030
01:17:17,140 --> 01:17:17,780
Don,

1031
01:17:28,100 --> 01:17:28,400
yes.

1032
01:17:30,140 --> 01:17:31,280
Followed by Stephanie Smith.

1033
01:17:33,930 --> 01:17:35,210
My name is Don Madsen.

1034
01:17:35,610 --> 01:17:38,910
I live in unincorporated Edmunds.

1035
01:17:38,910 --> 01:17:47,750
to be moving into incorporated admins and as such hoping to be able to vote for any and

1036
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:48,770
all of you.

1037
01:17:50,910 --> 01:18:01,530
The past week for me, as somebody of baby making age, as somebody with baby

1038
01:18:01,530 --> 01:18:10,570
making hormones has been an absolute nightmare. Yes, we live in Washington, but what they

1039
01:18:10,570 --> 01:18:15,250
did with gun rights recently in the Supreme Court, they could also do here in Washington.

1040
01:18:15,630 --> 01:18:22,630
So I would like to know, I would like each of you to go on the record and state what

1041
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:27,990
you believe by voting or against this resolution. Thank you.

1042
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:29,010
So

1043
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,740
we have Stephanie Smith, and then I think Lisa, and I can't read the last name.

1044
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,140
So it's Lisa. Okay, go ahead.

1045
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:46,460
Hi, I'm Stephanie Smith. I'm a third generation Edmunds resident.

1046
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:54,560
And I'm here to ask you to support human rights in the strongest possible form of the resolution.

1047
01:18:55,480 --> 01:19:03,160
I think the elected officials need to stand up for basic bodily autonomy and for protecting

1048
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:10,440
citizens and residents' rights, by one, ensuring that city resources are not used to assist

1049
01:19:10,440 --> 01:19:17,640
other jurisdictions investigating and prosecuting individuals accessing basic healthcare, and

1050
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:24,340
using the city's cloud to ensure people's rights at the national and state level.

1051
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:25,180
Thank you.

1052
01:19:31,020 --> 01:19:39,100
Hello, I'm Lisa Adder and I'm a resident of Linnwood but very active in Edmunds as well

1053
01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:43,980
and we're on a number of issues and in a number of activities.

1054
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:51,060
I am glad that the council members have taken it upon themselves to look at this issue.

1055
01:19:51,060 --> 01:19:56,300
I find it really appalling that people are, like, focused on potholes, not human rights.

1056
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:04,160
That just strikes me as absurd, and I will remind you all that you all took an oath to

1057
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:11,840
protect people, I mean, to protect the Constitution, and you did pass a resolution supporting human

1058
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:16,100
rights, as I hope that every council member should do, and every council throughout the

1059
01:20:16,100 --> 01:20:16,420
state.

1060
01:20:17,020 --> 01:20:18,800
And I encourage you to pass this resolution.

1061
01:20:19,100 --> 01:20:19,420
Thank you.

1062
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:27,440
Gracelyn Sabayama and Denise, followed by Denise Cooper.

1063
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:45,370
Hi there. Thank you for all that you do for Edmunds and I want to encourage you to vote yes on this resolution.

1064
01:20:45,810 --> 01:20:53,550
It is near and dear to my heart. I have been struggling a lot over the past few weeks knowing that my rights have been stripped from me

1065
01:20:53,550 --> 01:21:02,470
and knowing that the city I live in cares enough about me and my friends and my nieces and my sisters

1066
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:08,050
to put this forward, to think about us, to protect us is so important.

1067
01:21:08,510 --> 01:21:12,330
You have to do this for people of my age, for people younger than me.

1068
01:21:12,730 --> 01:21:18,750
You have to be a welcoming, encouraging city

1069
01:21:18,750 --> 01:21:25,230
And in order to let our young girls thrive and flourish in this city, we need to be seen.

1070
01:21:25,650 --> 01:21:27,990
So please vote yes on this resolution.

1071
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:39,320
Hi, thank you for allowing me to speak tonight. I'm Denise Cooper.

1072
01:21:41,690 --> 01:21:47,450
City Council choosing to make abortion part of the discussion has placed a division in our community.

1073
01:21:48,610 --> 01:21:53,630
I am pro-life. I am in support of the born and the unborn.

1074
01:21:54,910 --> 01:21:57,030
and so is my heavenly father.

1075
01:21:59,340 --> 01:22:03,200
I think what counsel Payne and Johnson did by

1076
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:09,940
bringing abortion to the Edmund City Council was reckless move. To bully

1077
01:22:09,940 --> 01:22:13,180
fellow council member into

1078
01:22:17,850 --> 01:22:22,850
saying that they support something

1079
01:22:22,850 --> 01:22:24,710
possibly that they don't.

1080
01:22:27,850 --> 01:22:31,850
I think the answer to prevent babies from coming

1081
01:22:31,850 --> 01:22:36,490
into this world is safe sex or sustaining from sex.

1082
01:22:39,190 --> 01:22:40,770
Killing babies is not

1083
01:22:40,770 --> 01:22:41,450
birth control.

1084
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:51,040
Check twice. Make sure you have your, you're taking your pills. Make

1085
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:55,280
sure you wear that rubber so you don't get the woman in that

1086
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:59,960
predicament. That she has to choose to kill her unborn child.

1087
01:23:04,830 --> 01:23:05,630
I'm not sure

1088
01:23:05,630 --> 01:23:11,650
why the Catholic Church was brought up tonight, but their pro-life, they also

1089
01:23:11,650 --> 01:23:22,330
offered child services, family services, adoption, elder care, and spiritual care.

1090
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:32,940
I asked the city council to leave this as a federal decision. This isn't a

1091
01:23:34,340 --> 01:23:35,980
decision. This isn't a city,

1092
01:23:38,050 --> 01:23:41,810
it shouldn't be a city statement because not all of

1093
01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:43,210
your citizens agree.

1094
01:23:45,390 --> 01:23:50,930
We're not all pro-abortion. Some of us choose life. Thank

1095
01:23:50,930 --> 01:23:51,110
you.

1096
01:23:55,830 --> 01:24:00,130
So I have no one else signed in. If there's anyone else who wish to make an

1097
01:24:00,130 --> 01:24:03,910
audience comment that has not signed in, if you could please approach the podium.

1098
01:24:13,610 --> 01:24:19,250
I encourage City Council to vote to remove the special event permit item from tonight's

1099
01:24:19,250 --> 01:24:19,930
consent agenda.

1100
01:24:20,670 --> 01:24:26,210
If City Council wants to review the special event permit code, please initiate a policy-making

1101
01:24:26,210 --> 01:24:26,790
process.

1102
01:24:27,530 --> 01:24:31,330
Please task the planning board with it as a first step.

1103
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:35,570
Please do not add more new problems to City Code.

1104
01:24:35,570 --> 01:24:40,090
At a minimum, please correctly define the following terms in our city code.

1105
01:24:40,610 --> 01:24:41,110
Easement.

1106
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:42,270
Right away.

1107
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:44,170
Opened public street.

1108
01:24:44,810 --> 01:24:46,090
Opened public alley.

1109
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:48,010
Unopened public street.

1110
01:24:48,630 --> 01:24:49,870
Unopened public alley.

1111
01:24:50,630 --> 01:25:00,830
I encourage city council to clearly identify who has maintenance responsibilities for all portions of both opened and unopened streets and alleys.

1112
01:25:01,450 --> 01:25:06,170
Where did the idea come from that the city can issue a special event permit to use a

1113
01:25:06,170 --> 01:25:11,990
ride-away that the city has never used, plus issues such a permit without the fee owner's

1114
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:12,350
approval?

1115
01:25:12,770 --> 01:25:17,990
The city of Edmunds has experienced a property owner taking legal action to establish adverse

1116
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:19,790
possession of a city easement.

1117
01:25:20,610 --> 01:25:25,250
The city won that 1989 case because the property owner's construction and maintenance

1118
01:25:25,250 --> 01:25:32,110
of a fence in the easement area was not considered adverse or hostile to the city's easement.

1119
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:39,070
The law allows the fee owner to use their land before the city opens a street or alley,

1120
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:46,110
so the construction and maintenance of the fence was not adverse or hostile to the city's easement.

1121
01:25:47,150 --> 01:25:51,430
However, if the city brings a third party into this and allows permits to be issued to third

1122
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:56,250
parties for use of unopened streets and unopened alleys, the situation changes.

1123
01:25:57,390 --> 01:26:03,370
If the city does so, a property owner's use of their property may now become adverse or

1124
01:26:03,370 --> 01:26:04,950
hostile to the city's right-of-way.

1125
01:26:05,490 --> 01:26:06,570
Have you considered this?

1126
01:26:07,970 --> 01:26:09,290
Please give this deep thought.

1127
01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:14,910
If you decide to go forward with this, I strongly recommend that all permit applications

1128
01:26:14,910 --> 01:26:19,530
to make use of the unopened streets and unopened alleys require the signed approval

1129
01:26:19,530 --> 01:26:24,910
of the fee owner. Approval by both parties with legal rights to the property might protect the city

1130
01:26:24,910 --> 01:26:32,110
from opening the door to adverse or hostile use of a city easement by the fee owner. I also think

1131
01:26:32,110 --> 01:26:36,790
the fee owner should be involved in the permit process if somebody wants to use the part of an

1132
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:42,450
open street or alley that the fee owner is required to maintain. Please take time to get

1133
01:26:42,450 --> 01:26:47,270
this right. Please allow the property owners with land subject to an unused right-of-way

1134
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:52,430
or with maintenance responsibilities and opportunity to be heard on this important topic starting

1135
01:26:52,430 --> 01:26:54,290
at the planning board level. Thank you.

1136
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,420
So if you could just state your name for the record. Thank you.

1137
01:27:00,860 --> 01:27:09,200
Yes, sir. Yes, my name is Bill McClain and I'm a resident of Shoreline who spends a fair amount of time here

1138
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because this is really a fun town to be in with a great waterfront.

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01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:23,520
And, speaking of the water, I was fishing out off Eggline back in the 80s.

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01:27:24,100 --> 01:27:28,720
And we had a, we'd bagged seven silvers, but one of them,

1141
01:27:30,770 --> 01:27:32,390
the hook almost went through

1142
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:33,350
the fish's eye.

1143
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:35,450
And that got to me.

1144
01:27:35,450 --> 01:27:46,970
Can you imagine a hook going through your eye and then being dragged into a boat like that?

1145
01:27:47,630 --> 01:27:50,690
I mean, awful. Absolutely awful.

1146
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:54,870
And the same thing about boiling crabs.

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01:27:55,070 --> 01:28:02,210
And I'm not saying that people shouldn't fish or eat crab, but you think of the pain that gets inflicted.

1148
01:28:02,210 --> 01:28:10,130
Well, with the unborn, when they undergo an abortion, and the abortionist comes in and

1149
01:28:10,130 --> 01:28:17,510
he crushes the baby's skull while it's alive, or he cuts off the arms and legs while it's

1150
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:24,190
alive and struggling, it's feeling that it's fighting against what the abortionist is doing.

1151
01:28:24,190 --> 01:28:33,110
Yes, having an unplanned child is hard on a woman. I don't argue against that at all.

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01:28:33,790 --> 01:28:37,150
But think of what the baby is going through.

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01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:41,610
The mother can have the child. It can be adopted.

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01:28:42,630 --> 01:28:46,330
But this is the baby's one chance for life.

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01:28:46,850 --> 01:28:53,150
And certainly the torture that these children go through is unimaginable.

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01:28:53,150 --> 01:28:55,270
I can't imagine it being done to me.

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01:28:56,430 --> 01:29:00,050
Back in the 1800s, slavery was abolished

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01:29:00,370 --> 01:29:03,910
in spite of the inconvenience to the slave masters,

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01:29:04,110 --> 01:29:07,830
to plantation owners, as well as to the country.

1160
01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:12,050
It costs us half a million lives, roughly,

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01:29:12,750 --> 01:29:15,210
to put an end to slavery, but we did it.

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01:29:15,810 --> 01:29:20,870
And the overriding reason was because the slaves

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01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:27,570
were people or the unborn are people too and they need protection under the law.

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01:29:28,190 --> 01:29:31,170
Thank you for listening to me hearing me out.

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01:29:41,850 --> 01:29:44,230
Hi my name is Mary Jennings and I'm

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01:29:44,230 --> 01:29:50,570
a new resident from the state of California I moved in 2017 and to the

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01:29:50,570 --> 01:29:55,910
city well actually it's a it's a small county island but across the street is

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01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:59,970
City of Edmonds, but across the street on the other side is Espion.

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01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,240
That's where I live. But I do a lot of business. I bring a lot of, you know, business down here

1170
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:16,220
to the city and the community. I feel I have a little bit of a voice to speak what I feel

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01:30:16,220 --> 01:30:24,460
about this particular subject. I was very young, a very young mother, and I'll just

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01:30:24,460 --> 01:30:34,160
get straight to the point. I was 15 when I was taken advantage of. Excuse me. I was

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01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:42,720
told I'd never graduate from high school. I was told to abort. I was told, you know,

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01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:49,560
not to bring an unwanted child into this world and thank God and thank the heavens above

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01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:56,660
that I had my daughter. My daughter is now 49 years of age. My daughter was an

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01:30:56,660 --> 01:31:04,140
executive with Nordstrom. She had worked with that company for 18 years. Very

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01:31:04,140 --> 01:31:14,040
successful as a buyer. Used to travel a lot. I went on to college. I graduated

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01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:18,140
from high school at the top of my class. Actually I was in the top percentile.

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01:31:18,140 --> 01:31:26,780
high B average and I went on to Fresno State University. I'm a retired law

1180
01:31:26,780 --> 01:31:32,540
enforcement officer. I spent 25 years as an undercover investigator for State of

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01:31:32,540 --> 01:31:37,720
California. This is a great place for me to retire to be closer to my daughter.

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01:31:38,980 --> 01:31:44,060
I'm thankful I went ahead and had my child regardless of what they said. I

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01:31:44,060 --> 01:31:51,700
raised my child as a single mom until she turned 16 years of age. So I'm extremely

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01:31:51,700 --> 01:31:58,640
pro-life and thank God my daughter also texts me recently to thank me for giving

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01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,960
birth to her. That's all I have to say. Thank you.

1186
01:32:13,020 --> 01:32:17,660
Well I don't know what to say

1187
01:32:17,660 --> 01:32:26,960
about this, such a great subject. It's not only that we have a lot of young children.

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01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:33,820
To give your name first. Oh, my name, yes. It is still Christine Johnson. Now, I'm a

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01:32:34,300 --> 01:32:43,440
rights mother. Now, this subject is so incredible big. We can't just take an hour or two because

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01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:46,020
Because it is much greater than this.

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01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:54,280
Not only the slaughtered children that we have allowed to die, but the women that suffered

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01:32:54,280 --> 01:33:03,420
intensely in so much because of what they did, and it usually comes back maybe after

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01:33:03,420 --> 01:33:04,160
a few years.

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01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:06,820
I never have had to do that.

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01:33:06,820 --> 01:33:14,500
I brought them forth, and it was my youngest daughter that God used to command my heart

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01:33:14,500 --> 01:33:20,340
to begin to be in that mighty name that we never hear about, or we don't even dare to

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01:33:20,340 --> 01:33:24,480
discuss it because that's forbidden in our society.

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01:33:25,100 --> 01:33:32,600
But I speak quite freely because I have seen the greatness of his power in so many ways

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01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:40,140
for so many decades. I could stand here for hours telling you all that our body is so

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01:33:40,140 --> 01:33:47,300
fantastically made that if we understood it we wouldn't handle what we're going

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01:33:47,300 --> 01:33:56,360
through the way we do and have done. And I want to encourage you to look at who we

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01:33:56,360 --> 01:34:03,260
We are a living miracle in ourselves with hearing, with eyes, with vocal cords, with

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01:34:03,260 --> 01:34:10,580
lungs, everything is so fantastically put together and here we are killing our offspring

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01:34:10,980 --> 01:34:18,280
that maybe today could have been doctors, higher scientists, and in every area because

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01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:25,000
I see my grandchildren, grandchildren, how incredibly smart they are.

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01:34:25,660 --> 01:34:31,460
You know, we got to take a second consideration about why we are alive.

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01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:41,740
Now I'm 88, and I've had little bit difficulties with my knees recently, never before, but recently

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01:34:41,740 --> 01:34:44,380
I've had it, and it's pretty tough.

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01:34:44,900 --> 01:34:49,020
And I even talk to young people, do you know why you have knees?

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01:34:49,020 --> 01:34:54,280
because they are very important if we are going to walk or run or do things.

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01:34:56,080 --> 01:35:02,600
People, you that are here tonight, consider your life is eternal

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01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,900
and because we are here to reign and rule with the Creator,

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01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:11,540
whether we talk about it or not, if I had not had that vision

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01:35:11,540 --> 01:35:17,220
and seeing God's greatness the day before Rebecca was married in France,

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01:35:17,900 --> 01:35:25,820
I am here as a mighty testimony. May God richly bless everyone that heard my voice tonight.

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01:35:26,420 --> 01:35:28,880
Thank you so very, very much.

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01:35:42,530 --> 01:35:49,250
And Heather Dameron, I wasn't going to speak tonight, but I feel compelled after hearing audience comment this evening.

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01:35:50,010 --> 01:35:55,530
What I'm struck by is the obviousness that the stripping of our rights doesn't stop here.

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01:35:56,710 --> 01:36:02,450
they won't stop. We are one that election away from what is happening federally happening

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01:36:02,450 --> 01:36:11,290
here. We must keep church and state separate. We must codify Roe at the state level and we

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01:36:11,290 --> 01:36:17,370
must encourage our legislators to do so as soon as possible. Please vote yes to approve

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01:36:17,370 --> 01:36:21,390
the most strongly worded resolution possible. Thank you.

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01:36:26,830 --> 01:36:33,670
Okay, seeing there's no one else in the audience wishing to speak, we'll now go ahead to the

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01:36:33,670 --> 01:36:41,310
virtual world and the same time requirements apply, however, you'll get a 30-second warning

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01:36:41,310 --> 01:36:45,690
from our city clerk, Mr. Scott Passy, and a final warning from our city clerk.

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01:36:46,050 --> 01:36:53,410
You can raise your virtual hand on your smartphone computer laptop, or if you have a landline

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01:36:53,410 --> 01:37:00,370
you can press star nine and the first person I see is Don Seaworth or Seaworth.

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01:37:00,550 --> 01:37:02,030
I apologize. Seaworth, excuse me.

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01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:11,520
Hi. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay, wonderful. Thank you

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01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:17,720
for your time. My name is Don Seaworth. I am the Director of Edmunds Lutheran

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01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:24,620
Learning Center. Just very briefly, I'm proud that Edmunds is taking up the

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01:37:24,620 --> 01:37:32,160
the Roe vs. Wade discussion, but I'm actually here to discuss the approval of an update

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01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:39,360
to Edmund City Code to include an impact fee waiver for early learning facilities.

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01:37:41,140 --> 01:37:49,680
This came about from my center specifically because we have been trying to change the

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01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:56,920
use of our fireside room to be able to accommodate being an educational space

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01:37:56,920 --> 01:38:05,740
for children. And the fee for child care is quite a lot. It's about $36 a

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01:38:05,740 --> 01:38:12,060
square foot to change the use of this space. And right now at a time when

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01:38:12,060 --> 01:38:20,660
childcare is so important to so many families and being able to have this

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01:38:20,660 --> 01:38:28,040
space or allowing other centers to have a reduced in this fee would allow many

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01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:34,220
more childcare spaces to open up. And so I'm just urging all of you to please

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01:38:34,220 --> 01:38:41,680
please approve this fee waiver amendment. The two attachments that were there I

1242
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:46,560
I did look through them and I just wanted to mention that the child care collaborative

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01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:54,380
task force report, that is from 2019, November 2019.

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01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:59,580
So take all of that information in there and then multiply it by COVID.

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01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:08,700
I really want to uplift all the hard, hard work child care teachers, directors, staff

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01:39:08,700 --> 01:39:14,300
have been doing over the last two years of through the pandemic. We've been in

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01:39:14,300 --> 01:39:21,960
person with the kids taking on an immeasurable amount of stress but also

1248
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:25,500
just trying to keep it as normal as possible for these little kids that

1249
01:39:25,500 --> 01:39:31,260
some have only been alive during COVID. I have probably about 15 kids right

1250
01:39:31,260 --> 01:39:36,320
now that have only only know COVID, only know seeing their parents wearing

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01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:42,000
masks and so just being able to open up more spaces as families are really

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01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:47,300
trying to be back to work. Please I'm really urging all of you to please vote

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01:39:47,300 --> 01:39:52,400
yes on this. Thank you so much for your time. Next is Linda Frikingstad.

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01:39:56,700 --> 01:39:57,400
Hello I'm Linda

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01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:02,540
Frikingstad. Britain's restrictions and fees for cutting pine trees

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01:40:02,540 --> 01:40:08,800
motivated the Declaration of Independence on July 4th, 1776. Property rights

1257
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:14,340
continued to motivate immigration to the U.S. My parents were five years old when

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01:40:14,340 --> 01:40:19,960
400 Nazis occupied their tiny island in Norway, doubling their population. For

1259
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:24,380
five years, Nazis kicked families out of their homes in the dark of night, moved

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01:40:24,380 --> 01:40:29,480
in and took their food supplies. When supplies ran out there, Nazis moved to

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01:40:29,480 --> 01:40:34,920
the next homes. Every home housed either two families or Nazis who took

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01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:39,360
what they wanted, making families buy back their own supplies, their own property.

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01:40:41,140 --> 01:40:46,600
In 1965, my parents immigrated to Seattle with their children, and we were proud to

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01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,700
become naturalized when they were sworn in as American citizens.

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01:40:50,860 --> 01:40:57,460
Our father employed hundreds, served on museum, charity, and hospital boards, volunteered

1266
01:40:57,460 --> 01:41:02,240
thousands of hours at Ballard Food Bank, Nordic Heritage Museum, and supported those

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01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:02,700
in need.

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01:41:02,700 --> 01:41:10,180
They brought drug-addicted and alcohol-addicted employees and paid for their sobriety.

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01:41:11,420 --> 01:41:16,520
Our sweet mom supports him and us five children and everything, inspiring us to give what's

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01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:18,340
needed and expect nothing in return.

1271
01:41:19,100 --> 01:41:24,620
In 2017, we purchased 1.2 acres in Edmunds to downsize and live beside each other.

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01:41:25,580 --> 01:41:29,920
Inexperienced, we first got to go ahead from the geotech and planning department, but

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01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:31,040
then got the runaround.

1274
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:34,880
After five years, we're now close to a permit for division.

1275
01:41:36,060 --> 01:41:39,720
Shockingly, 82 years after the terrifying Nazi occupation,

1276
01:41:40,300 --> 01:41:43,480
it's happening to them again in the United States of America.

1277
01:41:44,340 --> 01:41:48,520
We can't live on our property until we've paid Edmonds for our own trees.

1278
01:41:49,420 --> 01:41:54,380
Edmonds has permanently seized rights to all trees on our property without just compensation.

1279
01:41:55,300 --> 01:42:03,040
Permits for removal for three homes are denied until $107,000 is received in tree fees.

1280
01:42:03,620 --> 01:42:06,700
In addition to the probably $100,000 we have to pay in permits.

1281
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:13,960
And Edmunds' permanent seizure of rights to all trees is recorded on our property titles within the county.

1282
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:20,560
Our Ukrainian neighbors have to pay $64,000 in tree fees to build a home for their parents.

1283
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:24,420
A South Asian family can't build homes without paying hundreds of thousands.

1284
01:42:25,220 --> 01:42:30,040
Retired couples can't afford to divide and sell or have their property for their retirement.

1285
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:35,220
Immigrant families and senior citizens are forced to compensate for tree canopy loss

1286
01:42:35,220 --> 01:42:37,340
from 100 years of development.

1287
01:42:38,300 --> 01:42:42,820
Admin seizures and excessive fees restricting the use of vacant properties has decreased

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01:42:42,820 --> 01:42:44,460
values and honors equity.

1289
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:49,380
We are denied constitutional protections that all citizens benefit from.

1290
01:42:49,380 --> 01:42:54,180
Will you honor the pledge you make at every meeting, liberty and justice for all?

1291
01:42:54,620 --> 01:42:59,400
Will all citizens be free to live peacefully and productively without interference from the government?

1292
01:43:00,340 --> 01:43:02,300
Please place this on next week's agenda.

1293
01:43:03,180 --> 01:43:10,480
Immediately rescind the illegal three ordinance and prioritize our constitutional rights. Thank you.

1294
01:43:11,140 --> 01:43:14,500
Next is call in user one. I don't have a name listed.

1295
01:43:14,500 --> 01:43:15,520
Good

1296
01:43:22,270 --> 01:43:28,590
evening. This is Cynthia Schoedlum. People speaking tonight from Linwood and Shoreline.

1297
01:43:29,130 --> 01:43:36,490
I'm sorry, but you don't have a say in our Edmunds politics. And I'm appalled at the remark by an audience member to quote, get over it.

1298
01:43:36,930 --> 01:43:46,970
The resolution is an overreach and in essence overrides our state's authority. The state of Washington has already decided to keep women's rights in place.

1299
01:43:46,970 --> 01:43:53,630
So for any of the fear mongers who are talking about you're not going to be able to get your birth control, get over it.

1300
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:54,890
Actually, you will.

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01:43:55,510 --> 01:44:06,850
I would like to point out for anyone who utters the words, my body, my choice, I want to remind you we're the same people who were telling unvaccinated people what to do with their bodies along with the government.

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01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:09,190
You shamed others for not being vaccinated.

1303
01:44:09,870 --> 01:44:13,470
You shamed others who were around you who didn't wear a mask.

1304
01:44:13,470 --> 01:44:19,930
So when it comes to my body, my choice, you believe it when it's convenient for you.

1305
01:44:20,590 --> 01:44:24,330
And Laura Johnson, you were one of those people telling others to get vaccinated.

1306
01:44:24,990 --> 01:44:29,070
So there are two sides to every story, and I think it's important for you to know.

1307
01:44:29,690 --> 01:44:32,730
There are many women who regret their abortions.

1308
01:44:33,150 --> 01:44:36,990
In an article by The Daily Caller, there is a message that needs to be shared.

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01:44:36,990 --> 01:44:44,650
This is what these are women who regret their abortions, who want other women to know.

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01:44:44,890 --> 01:44:47,870
I can only cover a couple of those if I have time.

1311
01:44:48,930 --> 01:44:56,630
Former state lawmaker Alveda King, the niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and media personality

1312
01:44:56,630 --> 01:44:59,410
Karine Kimball spoke about their abortion stories.

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01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,840
And how the experience changed their lives.

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01:45:02,540 --> 01:45:06,740
A, quote, abortion is a civil wrong, said Alveda King.

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01:45:07,300 --> 01:45:09,600
Quote, life is a civil right.

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01:45:09,980 --> 01:45:15,160
King stated her OBGYN coerced her into getting her first abortion

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01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:18,220
and recommended that she obtain her second one due to struggles

1318
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:22,500
within her marriage and the age of her first child.

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01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,920
She stated her OBGYN referred her to Planned Parenthood.

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01:45:26,140 --> 01:45:28,500
With the advice, don't talk with your family or church

1321
01:45:28,500 --> 01:45:34,280
about these women health matters, Planned Parenthood would be a friend to talk to.

1322
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:42,520
King had two abortions and an abortion related miscarriage before she began to look more closely

1323
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:48,620
into the issue, before she, quote, experienced the reality of the sanctity of life. If I, quote,

1324
01:45:48,780 --> 01:45:54,140
if I told my grandfather he would have helped me choose life, he convinced my mother not to

1325
01:45:54,140 --> 01:45:56,800
let me in 1950.

1326
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:00,540
And Connie Kimball, she's a pro-life advocate

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01:46:00,540 --> 01:46:01,620
and media personality.

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01:46:02,180 --> 01:46:04,640
And her story was one of involving pressure

1329
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:06,320
from her family and her boyfriend

1330
01:46:06,820 --> 01:46:08,520
that their whole lives would be changed

1331
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:09,720
and it would affect their careers.

1332
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:12,240
She said, I was being tugged in every direction.

1333
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:13,720
I would sit on the floor in my bathroom

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01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:16,380
and just cry hysterically because I couldn't think

1335
01:46:16,380 --> 01:46:18,340
about going through with an abortion.

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01:46:18,540 --> 01:46:20,800
She wishes Planned Parenthood had been honest with her

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01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,400
about the pain, the guilt, and especially the options.

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01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:25,620
They weren't trying to help me, she said.

1339
01:46:25,980 --> 01:46:27,740
They were pushing abortions.

1340
01:46:27,860 --> 01:46:29,800
There was no information given about adoption.

1341
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:34,060
She said she had expected Planned Parenthood to be a safe place for women.

1342
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:36,080
Please do not pass this resolution.

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01:46:36,460 --> 01:46:36,920
Thank you.

1344
01:46:37,380 --> 01:46:39,660
Next is Mary Kimball.

1345
01:46:40,220 --> 01:46:40,540
Hey,

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01:46:46,230 --> 01:46:47,430
my name is Mary Kimball.

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01:46:47,610 --> 01:46:49,530
I'm a three-year resident of Edmonds.

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01:46:49,970 --> 01:46:51,130
I'm also a queer woman.

1349
01:46:51,770 --> 01:46:55,370
This past weekend, or rather, I guess two days ago, technically,

1350
01:46:55,670 --> 01:46:56,950
yesterday, what is time?

1351
01:46:56,950 --> 01:47:05,790
I got to experience the Edmunds' Fourth of July parade for the first time, which the Chamber of Commerce did a very great job hosting.

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And I was heartened to see so many pride flags out.

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And one of the things that's so heartened to me about the actions that council members, Laura Johnson, Susan Payne and Vivian Olsen did with this resolution concerning reproductive rights

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is that it includes all people who might need access to reproductive rights and reproductive health care.

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I recognize it's incredibly unusual for city council to be taking up a matter that doesn't really practically impact the city.

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As others have noted, we don't really have places that are performing abortion in the city of Edmunds.

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Unfortunately, I normally hate using this word, but it's suited here.

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We are in unprecedented times.

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Roe v. Wade has been overturned.

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it is no longer set of law, and access to comprehensive reproductive care and other forms

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of healthcare in this country, including those affecting the LGBTQIA plus community, are

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under threat. Therefore, I urge the City Council to vote yes on either one of the resolutions.

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I like the first one, but honestly, they're both fantastic. And please, vote your support.

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These are unprecedented times that demand unusual, comprehensive solutions to protect

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our democracy and our civil rights. Thank you.

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Next is Charlie. I don't have a last name.

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Lou. This is Charlie Lou. My name is Charlie Ann Lou. I'm a long-time Edmunds resident,

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and I want to thank the council for your willingness to take on the resolution on abortion

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and reproductive rights. Before I begin my prepare remark, I just want to notate to those

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opposing the resolution that while I consider myself pro-choice, I'm also pro-life. A human

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life that begins at viability and not at conception. Please respect that all people believe fertilized

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eggs are babies. And since some of you have cited science, let me just notate that as a published

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scientist by the strictest biological definition, an embryo is actually a parasite unable to sustain

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itself without a host. And women as a whole should not be forced, or to use some of your

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words enslaved to become a host to a parasite.

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And then so many of you also reference women who regret their abortion.

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But if you look at science, a landmark study at UCFF recently showed that 95% of women

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do not regret their decision, and an overwhelming majority had either positive feelings or

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none at all.

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I myself had a life-saving abortion in my 20s, and the only trauma I've ever experienced

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are by people who accuse me of murder.

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Despite that trauma, I have become quite open with my own story.

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And because of that transparency, I've

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spent the last 25 years advising other people

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on their reproductive decisions.

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While I don't always agree with every case in which a person

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chooses an abortion, I do strongly

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believe that every individual must have the freedom

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to control their own reproductive autonomy.

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And neither I nor the government

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should compose our own views, subjective

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as it is on other people's medical decisions.

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Therefore, I support the council's resolution on abortion and reproductive rights in its strongest form.

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This is especially important in the context of Edmond's commitment to equity

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since restrictive reproductive choices disproportionately harm people of color

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and those who are economically disadvantaged.

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Edmond's is small but mighty and with this resolution we could signal to the governor,

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the Senators of Representatives that we are in strong support of women, people of

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color, and others who are economically disadvantaged. Please. So, yes. Thank you.

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Next is Natalie Sites.

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Are you able to hear me? Yes. Thank you. I'd like to take

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night and subsequent meetings to read my comments. Previously provided council on

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01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:09,520
the most recent version of the pro spam into public records. The current

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Council is not able to make commitments for improvements in the next round of the

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01:51:13,180 --> 01:51:17,200
PROS plan. That would like a durable public record of the feedback you receive

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01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:22,680
and ultimately disregarded. Page 17. The outcome of the community tabling the

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01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:27,880
events in SR 99 is only identified by a few sentences on that page and includes

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no separate write-up and appendix C. This is the only right outreach for which

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01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:35,360
this is the case. If the city wants to build relationships with underserved

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01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:38,920
communities, the city needs to do a better job of documenting the

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feedback received from the community and directly connect it to policy, CFPCIP and new inserted

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action plan. Please include a separate write-up of the feedback received from the tabling events.

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Figure five, map one. The city erroneously counts land owned by the PUD in the SR99 area as a

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special use park. Please refer to the email provided to council on June 26 from the PUD

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identifying that there is no access or agreement between the city and the PUD for areas south of

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01:52:09,060 --> 01:52:14,260
the park and that these locations are signed post with no trespassing. Please adjust all figures

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and tables to remove this area from the depictions and calculations of city services. Page 74 through

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76, open space. Greater attention should be paid to equity and access as well as the revised

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definition of open space to focus on restoration of forest land and wetlands that can be

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01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:35,080
or are located in all areas of the city.

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The city is going to change the definition of open space

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to better accommodate acquisition of the marsh

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and that concept of restoration

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and not just site and open space where natural features

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01:52:45,580 --> 01:52:48,140
exist need to be applied throughout the city,

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including under served areas.

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Additionally, the city included a walkability analysis

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to open space within the maps

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that provides no text analysis of that accessibility gap

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when the open space within the open space section.

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Please include a text analysis of where significant access gaps are located.

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Page 75, wetlands.

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The Unicale property identified within the wetland section is primarily upland and contaminated fill pad,

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and provides very limited potential for direct wetlands restoration, only the stormwater pond and ditch.

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01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:24,700
Many other properties within the city provide a greater ability to directly provide wetland habitat.

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Please eliminate the Unicale property from the wetland section or expand discussion to include any property within the 30 seconds.

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It would provide equivalent proportions of land that could be restored to wetlands.

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This would include, but it's not limited to the entire area north of the marsh west of 104 and south of Dayton, as well as the properties along Lake Ballinger.

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You functionally didn't consider these comments, so I can't thank you.

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Next week I will pick up in Chapter 6.

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I did want to take a few moments to say that the Supreme Court said this is not a

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federal issue and so it's entirely appropriate in my view for the Council

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to take this up and provide with all point of view to the state. There's no

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such thing as an unborn citizen. We have birthright citizenship in this

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country. I do ask for your support. Thank you.

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Next is Susan H.

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Susan, if you can hear us so you can unmute and begin your audience comments.

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01:54:36,690 --> 01:54:40,310
Yes, I'm sorry. This is Susan Hughes. I believe I'm under mute now. Thank you.

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Lots of members are allowing me to speak.

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01:54:44,250 --> 01:54:48,750
Edmund City calls the members, Susan Payne and Laura Johnson, posted in my Edmunds

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01:54:48,750 --> 01:54:52,530
news that they had drafted a resolution in support of abortion.

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Now they want the Edmunds City Council to adopt it.

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What they did not say, in such parts of this resolution,

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is copied from Resolution 3054,

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submitted by Marxist Seattle City Councilwoman,

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Kashama Suwan.

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Suwan is openly Marxist and has been no less such on

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CNN, New York Times, Seattle Times, et cetera.

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Payne and Johnson distributed the resolution to local news

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media before even disclosing it to their fellow council members.

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So the council member is pro-life, will they send protesters to their homes?

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We remember, Suant brought protesters to Seattle, Mayor Dickens' home, and unlocked

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01:55:29,470 --> 01:55:31,790
Seattle City Hall for protesters to attend.

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Is this what we have to look forward to in Edmunds?

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And the city council knows that some people who live in, work in, or visit Edmunds

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support the United States Supreme Court decision.

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The Constitution does not confer a right to abortion and returns authority to regulate abortion to the people and their elected representatives.

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City Council knows that others strongly oppose the United States Supreme Court decision that the Constitution does not confer a right to abortion.

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People of both viewpoints are free to have their own opinion and those who are citizens of Edmunds all deserve representation from Edmunds City Council.

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The U.S. Supreme Court is the highest tribunal in the nation for all cases and controversies

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arising under the Constitution or the laws of the United States.

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As the final arbiter of the law, the Court is charged with ensuring the American people

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the promise of equal justice under law and thereby also functions as guardian and interpreter

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of the Constitution.

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Edmunds City Council members have taken an oath of office to support the Constitution

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and laws of the United States. The City Council code of ethics states the chief function of local

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government at all times is to serve the best interest of all the people. And the City Council

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is foisting opposition to a U.S. Supreme Court ruling which has exposed citizens of Edmunds

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01:56:59,870 --> 01:57:05,670
to choose between staying silent out of fear or risking harm if they publicly oppose the

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resolution. Pro-choice and pro-life people deserve to be safe and to feel invited in

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our community. Large parts of the proposed resolution was written by

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01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:20,290
Marcia City Councilwoman Suwan. This resolution should not be a

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part of Edmond City government. Payne and Johnson should be censored for

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violating their oath of office, violating the City of Edmond's Code of Ethics, and

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01:57:27,450 --> 01:57:30,570
violating the Council Code of Conduct. Thank you.

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I have no one else raising

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their virtual hands. So next item on the agenda is approval of the Consent Agenda. Is there

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a motion to approve? Is there a second?

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Moved and seconded discussion. Council President?

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01:57:57,900 --> 01:58:04,960
Yes, I had a conversation with Clerk Passe prior to the meeting and there's something that we

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want to discuss on item 8.8 the special events permit fees so we'll be

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pulling that fraction and I'd like to put it at 9.3. It actually is 8.7 the

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ordinance.

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01:58:28,940 --> 01:58:36,700
Okay then it's pulling 8.7 and making that 9.3. Is there a second?

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01:58:36,700 --> 01:58:37,720
Second.

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Second.

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Moved and seconded.

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Discussion.

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Let me just go ahead and just do this one since we're already there.

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So motion to move 8.7 to 9.3, all those in favor please say aye.

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01:58:54,340 --> 01:58:54,720
Aye.

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All those opposed?

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Motion passes.

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Is there a motion to approve the remainder?

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Been moved and seconded.

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Discussion.

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All those in favor of approving the consent agenda, I'm sorry, approving the remainder

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01:59:16,210 --> 01:59:24,370
the consent agenda please say aye. Aye. All those opposed? Motion passes. All right. Next

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item is council business. First item, proof update to Edmund City Code Chapter 3.36 to

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include impact fee waivers for early learning facilities. Mr. Rob English, come on down.

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Good evening, Council Mayor Bob English, City Engineering and Acting Public Works Director.

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I'm joined tonight by Jeanne McConnell, the engineering program manager.

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And we're here to speak on the impact fee waiver for early learning facilities.

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And it's an update to the City Code 3.36.

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projects. And so City Code 3.36 regulates street and park impacts fees related to private

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development projects. And 3.3604 provides, currently provides an exemption for low income

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02:01:17,540 --> 02:01:25,360
housing related to again street and park impact fees. And so in your packet I attached

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to report from the task force that was created at the state level.

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It's the Child Care Collaborative Task Force.

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And in 2019, they prepared a report, and the purpose of the task force is to incentivize

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employer-supported child care, as well as improve child care access and affordability.

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And so they, in this 2019 report, provided many recommendations to act on improving those

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two areas for childcare facilities.

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And one of the recommendation was to partner with entities and jurisdictions to limit or

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eliminate local construction impact fees.

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And I believe that was part of the reasoning for the potential change in RCW 8202.060,

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which it allowed for the exemption in July of 2021.

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And so what we're proposing

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to do tonight is a code update that would allow an 80% exemption with the

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remaining 20% paid at the building permit by the proposed property owner

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or business owner. And there would be a covenant that would be recorded with

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the property that would require 25% or more of the children and families that attend beyond

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state subsidized child care in order to maintain that 80% exemption. An annual report would

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be filed with the city with the supporting documentation showing that 25% threshold.

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and an exempted portion of the fees would be paid if the child care facility did not comply with the

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covenant. And again, if the use changes in that facility down the road in the future, the full

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fees related to street transportation and park impact fees would have to be paid by the property

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owner or business owner. And so we are recommending this change and we did prepare

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this with the city attorney so I'm to see if Jeff had anything to add to the

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02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:55,820
presentation. Nothing to add but happy to answer questions if there are any.

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That concludes my presentation. Alright

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we'll start virtually with

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the

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And the Parks and Public Works Committee reviewed this and supports the staff recommendation.

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We brought it to council because it needs to be a change in the code, but we support

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this and we think that it will be an asset to the child care and learning facilities

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02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:45,940
in this city and we can certainly do without those impact fees and could

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recover them if the condition.

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02:04:53,800 --> 02:04:55,840
You just went muted in the middle of your

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02:04:55,840 --> 02:04:57,060
sentence, Council Member.

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02:05:00,450 --> 02:05:05,270
Well I concluded my comments. Okay, thank you. I was just

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saying that we could recover the fees if the conditions were not met in the

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annual reports.

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02:05:15,070 --> 02:05:18,310
Yeah, I wanted to thank you for the complete package.

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I thought it was really well done and covered everything pretty exhaustively.

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Just for the public's sake, I wanted to mention that the permit system will be used to track

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receipt of those annual reports because it's going to be important that we make sure that

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there's compliance so that we go back after them for those development fees that were

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waived based on use if it changes use.

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02:05:39,930 --> 02:05:47,090
so thank you very much. Councilor Payne. Thank you Mayor. I just want to say I

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02:05:47,090 --> 02:05:51,530
really appreciate this coming to council and we have our former student rep

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02:05:51,530 --> 02:05:58,770
for Roberts to thank for this. He's the one who had been contacted by the by

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02:05:58,770 --> 02:06:04,730
Ms. Sievert and he's he brought this forward and got it nudged along and I

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was glad to be as some assistance there. I understand that this child care

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facility is going to be right next door to the Housing Hope property up near

1566
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the Safeway up near the Lutheran Church. Is that right?

1567
02:06:23,620 --> 02:06:25,180
It's the Lutheran

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02:06:25,180 --> 02:06:33,260
facility. Jeannie's on board. Scott is Jeannie? She's here and she is nodding

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02:06:33,260 --> 02:06:37,240
and affirmative. Yes. Your microphone is oh yeah you can if you want to speak

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02:06:37,240 --> 02:06:43,580
to a journey. Okay great sorry hard hard to mix in with zoom but thank you and

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02:06:43,580 --> 02:06:50,300
yes the the gal that spoke earlier Don operates a business within the Edmunds

1572
02:06:50,300 --> 02:06:55,200
Lutheran Church which is adjacent to Housing Hope or the future Housing Hope

1573
02:06:55,200 --> 02:07:02,200
site location. Right I I just I totally support this this change in our code I

1574
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:06,380
think having child care adjacent to the Housing Hope project is going to be

1575
02:07:06,380 --> 02:07:12,760
very helpful for all the families there. It's going to be, you know, the apartment

1576
02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:16,220
sizes are going to be large enough to have families there, so it's going to be

1577
02:07:16,220 --> 02:07:21,140
really important to have nearby child care access as a parent who had to pay

1578
02:07:21,140 --> 02:07:25,500
for child care. It's expensive, so I'm glad to see that will they'll be able to

1579
02:07:25,500 --> 02:07:30,340
offer more child care services to their families next door. Thank you.

1580
02:07:31,140 --> 02:07:35,840
Councilor Buksha. I too want to thank you for the complete packet. It read

1581
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:42,360
really well. And with that, I would like to make a motion to approve an ordinance of the

1582
02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:50,780
City of Edmunds, Washington amending Section 3.36.040 of the Edmunds City Code to add

1583
02:07:50,780 --> 02:07:55,340
a partial impact fee exemption for early learning facilities.

1584
02:07:56,280 --> 02:07:58,440
It's been moved and seconded. Discussion?

1585
02:08:00,540 --> 02:08:02,540
Not seeing any. All those in favor, please

1586
02:08:02,540 --> 02:08:12,000
say aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. Thank you Rob. And with

1587
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:16,240
that there's been a request to take a quick five minute recess. So we'll recess

1588
02:08:16,240 --> 02:08:23,180
for five minutes and we'll see folks back at 9.14.

1589
02:08:33,710 --> 02:08:35,070
I'd like to call a meeting back

1590
02:08:35,070 --> 02:08:35,630
to order.

1591
02:08:39,450 --> 02:08:41,570
Please have order in the council chambers.

1592
02:08:49,900 --> 02:08:52,060
Thank you. Now call a

1593
02:08:52,060 --> 02:08:57,840
Moving back to order, next item on the agenda is, we've moved this to item number two, which

1594
02:08:57,840 --> 02:09:02,240
is region number four, discussion of council response to Supreme Court decision to overturn

1595
02:09:02,240 --> 02:09:03,580
Roe versus Wade.

1596
02:09:06,050 --> 02:09:06,750
Council President?

1597
02:09:07,610 --> 02:09:08,050
Yes.

1598
02:09:08,310 --> 02:09:15,250
Before we discussed the merits of one set of language or another, I wanted to be clear

1599
02:09:15,250 --> 02:09:19,270
that we as a council actually want to be making a statement on this issue.

1600
02:09:19,270 --> 02:09:26,410
So, I move that we abstain from making a statement and would open conversation with that if there's a second.

1601
02:09:29,710 --> 02:09:33,550
I move that we abstain from making a statement as a city council.

1602
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:39,880
No, yes, abstain, meaning that we would not be taking action.

1603
02:09:40,200 --> 02:09:40,880
Is there a second?

1604
02:09:41,120 --> 02:09:41,480
Second.

1605
02:09:42,140 --> 02:09:43,320
Moved and seconded.

1606
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:43,900
Discussion?

1607
02:09:44,420 --> 02:09:45,140
Maker of the motion?

1608
02:09:47,060 --> 02:09:52,200
I didn't come to this role as a city council member to be a politician.

1609
02:09:52,200 --> 02:10:00,960
I came to serve my community in a nonpartisan role, and we are in fact in a nonpartisan role.

1610
02:10:02,720 --> 02:10:10,740
Whenever we act, we should like that process no matter what the subject matter is and that it would work for everything,

1611
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:20,240
and I feel like this process doesn't work for anything, and I would like us to not be weighing in on national issues.

1612
02:10:20,900 --> 02:10:24,260
For starters, this is promoted as a part-time job.

1613
02:10:25,220 --> 02:10:32,220
And in my experience, being both an activist in this role and doing the city's business

1614
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:34,620
makes it a full-time job plus.

1615
02:10:35,080 --> 02:10:41,380
And I'm not willing to stop doing the work of the city to be an activist in this role.

1616
02:10:42,080 --> 02:10:47,120
I'm not saying that I should be silent or that anybody else should be silent on

1617
02:10:47,120 --> 02:10:47,660
this matter.

1618
02:10:47,660 --> 02:10:52,140
I'm just saying that I shouldn't be speaking on behalf of the community on this matter,

1619
02:10:52,380 --> 02:10:57,700
and I would prefer not to, and I would be prefer not to be put in the position of doing

1620
02:10:57,700 --> 02:10:58,060
so.

1621
02:10:58,760 --> 02:11:07,200
I will also say that if this becomes a resolution, and the body does not accept this, that I

1622
02:11:07,200 --> 02:11:08,560
will be making a vote tonight.

1623
02:11:08,560 --> 02:11:20,980
And the reason for that is because I have already and will be on the record for what my stand is on this issue.

1624
02:11:21,740 --> 02:11:26,640
However, the nonpartisanship is also part of our charter.

1625
02:11:26,920 --> 02:11:35,260
And I want you to know as Council President that I attend a monthly meeting of all of the other South County City Council presidents.

1626
02:11:35,260 --> 02:11:41,280
and we are the only ones who are taking up this action and and all of the

1627
02:11:41,280 --> 02:11:46,500
others are saying that this isn't the fact their city chooses not to get

1628
02:11:46,500 --> 02:11:52,960
involved in those because they have this nonpartisan charter. So when

1629
02:11:56,260 --> 02:11:56,660
we ask

1630
02:11:56,660 --> 02:12:02,320
ourselves the question of what's best for Edmonds, which is really the only

1631
02:12:02,320 --> 02:12:06,480
any decision basis that we need to have in this role.

1632
02:12:08,040 --> 02:12:17,520
I would say that those who think that choice is important and a lot of people do would

1633
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:21,360
say that protecting that choice is something that they have to do.

1634
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:30,320
I have looked at this issue very exhaustively this week and last, and I feel very strongly

1635
02:12:30,320 --> 02:12:41,680
that we are secure in Washington State, very secure. And we don't need to further make

1636
02:12:41,680 --> 02:12:47,360
a statement in Edmonds because we are in the same situation whether we do or whether we

1637
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:47,940
don't.

1638
02:12:52,730 --> 02:12:53,750
Councillor Paine.

1639
02:12:54,430 --> 02:13:03,790
Thank you, Mayor. Well, I am not in favor of doing nothing. As one of the authors

1640
02:13:03,790 --> 02:13:11,530
and of the resolution, I would just like to point out to the entire community that

1641
02:13:11,530 --> 02:13:20,150
but for the ruling of the Supreme Court that we have that everything has

1642
02:13:20,150 --> 02:13:29,370
changed. We've lost decades of case law regarding privacy, regarding access to

1643
02:13:29,370 --> 02:13:37,230
medical care with this ruling. This has changed everything. Hearing our voice, it

1644
02:13:37,230 --> 02:13:44,050
has been delegated to the states and that's what has happened. What we're

1645
02:13:44,050 --> 02:13:49,170
going to do and what I hope that our council will do is to be able to stand

1646
02:13:49,170 --> 02:13:57,630
up and send a resolution to our state representatives and the governor to add

1647
02:13:57,630 --> 02:14:04,370
reproductive care to the state constitution. We've heard everybody's

1648
02:14:04,370 --> 02:14:10,190
stories tonight. We have emails talking about their stories. These are lived

1649
02:14:10,190 --> 02:14:16,710
experiences that we don't want to ignore or treat lightly. I believe in choice and

1650
02:14:17,550 --> 02:14:23,150
I and as a parent you know I chose to have my daughters but that's not

1651
02:14:23,150 --> 02:14:28,310
everybody's you know that's not everybody's path so I think that this is

1652
02:14:28,310 --> 02:14:34,190
going to be absolutely a good vote for us to take so that we can stand up for the

1653
02:14:34,190 --> 02:14:40,150
people who have absolutely lost a right this you know a week and a half ago we've

1654
02:14:40,150 --> 02:14:46,510
gone backwards so with that I will not be endorsing that the motion to do

1655
02:14:46,510 --> 02:14:53,030
nothing councilor Laura Johnson thank you ma'am I too am not in favor of

1656
02:14:53,030 --> 02:14:58,050
doing nothing. I don't accept the argument that we as council should not speak out

1657
02:14:58,050 --> 02:14:59,790
because this is a device of issue.

1658
02:15:00,500 --> 02:15:06,380
It should not be divisive to protect freedom, equality, human health, and human rights.

1659
02:15:07,140 --> 02:15:17,540
And to those who say that this is a partisan issue, are you stating that one party does not support religious freedom, equality, and human rights?

1660
02:15:18,340 --> 02:15:25,900
I respect the rights of others to their personal religious beliefs, as it pertains to their individual choice.

1661
02:15:25,900 --> 02:15:32,340
This resolution is about supporting, protecting, codifying individual choice

1662
02:15:32,340 --> 02:15:37,420
and human rights. That's what we're here for. I mean,

1663
02:15:39,800 --> 02:15:41,160
I am not here to protect

1664
02:15:41,160 --> 02:15:46,200
people's feelings or desire to control the rights and choices of others. I am

1665
02:15:46,200 --> 02:15:54,020
here to protect the right to choice, bodily autonomy, freedom, and that comes

1666
02:15:54,020 --> 02:16:01,580
in so many different forms. And as many have said, this is unprecedented. So many have

1667
02:16:01,580 --> 02:16:07,240
had the rights threatened or stripped. And for that, I cannot do nothing.

1668
02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:15,600
Councillor Bukshanis. First of all, I want to thank Council President

1669
02:16:15,600 --> 02:16:20,400
Wilson for putting together an agenda packet so that everybody can look at it and read

1670
02:16:20,400 --> 02:16:27,940
it. I've been on Council for the longest. This is extremely highly emotional topic

1671
02:16:27,940 --> 02:16:33,780
In fact, I think it's probably one of the longest comments we've had from citizens on

1672
02:16:33,780 --> 02:16:34,060
this.

1673
02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:36,280
Obviously, you saw it was on both sides.

1674
02:16:36,420 --> 02:16:38,980
It is a very emotional issue.

1675
02:16:39,740 --> 02:16:41,360
It is church versus state.

1676
02:16:42,420 --> 02:16:43,660
I'm a very religious person.

1677
02:16:43,860 --> 02:16:44,460
People know that.

1678
02:16:45,320 --> 02:16:46,660
Kerry Rosary in my purse.

1679
02:16:47,680 --> 02:16:49,440
People gave me a bad time about that.

1680
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:56,280
The fact of the matter is it's important to realize that as a city council, we have

1681
02:16:56,280 --> 02:17:02,080
looked at state issues before and we've looked at state issues and provided

1682
02:17:02,080 --> 02:17:05,820
opinions on them and I went ahead and went back over the 12 years and we've

1683
02:17:05,820 --> 02:17:10,880
done like I would say I didn't count them all but eight to eight maybe eight to

1684
02:17:10,880 --> 02:17:16,580
ten different issues. So from a process standpoint this is something that we

1685
02:17:16,580 --> 02:17:20,920
have done in the past but from a technically from a you know if you want

1686
02:17:20,920 --> 02:17:25,540
to say partisan standpoint it is very divisive and if you think about it

1687
02:17:25,540 --> 02:17:33,360
like my friend Joan said, I mean, our country is extremely divided. And do we want to come

1688
02:17:33,360 --> 02:17:38,060
out and say something and continue the division? That's something I really don't know. I'm

1689
02:17:38,060 --> 02:17:45,440
still processing it because it's very real to me. I used to teach self-defense for

1690
02:17:45,440 --> 02:17:52,000
the Portland police. And because of my size, I was like the man, unfortunately. And I

1691
02:17:52,000 --> 02:18:01,480
I heard women time and time again talk about incest, abuse, rape, date rape, all of the

1692
02:18:01,480 --> 02:18:05,960
issues that you don't want to hear about because you don't want to admit that these things

1693
02:18:05,960 --> 02:18:06,520
happen.

1694
02:18:08,180 --> 02:18:12,860
And yet, you know, the woman is the one that has to do the issue and there's nothing

1695
02:18:12,860 --> 02:18:17,880
ever done to the man for the offender or the repeat offender or anything like that.

1696
02:18:17,880 --> 02:18:25,440
So really, if you think about it, it is an onus put on women, and there's never anything

1697
02:18:25,440 --> 02:18:28,000
to, you know, the man, because it takes two.

1698
02:18:28,200 --> 02:18:32,680
You can't have, you know, you can't have an immaculate conception unless you're married.

1699
02:18:34,200 --> 02:18:40,760
But the fact of the matter is, it's very difficult to process this, and I can hear

1700
02:18:40,760 --> 02:18:42,100
both sides completely.

1701
02:18:42,100 --> 02:18:47,600
So I just want to say that the City Council has looked at issues like this.

1702
02:18:48,040 --> 02:18:54,720
I want to thank everyone that sent me letters and some people were very angry with some of the responses

1703
02:18:54,720 --> 02:19:00,160
because I was too quick in my response of saying very thoughtful letter and they wanted to know why.

1704
02:19:00,420 --> 02:19:05,920
And so I just want to say I do hear you, but it is something that we have done in the past

1705
02:19:05,920 --> 02:19:13,960
And I just think that we will be thoughtful in our comments, but are thoughtful in our decisions.

1706
02:19:14,420 --> 02:19:18,420
But right now I'm still processing. So thank you very much.

1707
02:19:20,950 --> 02:19:22,050
Council Member Chen.

1708
02:19:23,190 --> 02:19:24,110
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1709
02:19:25,010 --> 02:19:34,150
I want to thank the community for coming out, writing us, speaking up, letting us know where you're staying.

1710
02:19:34,150 --> 02:19:42,290
And this is a very important issue and people are very compassionate about it.

1711
02:19:44,710 --> 02:19:51,750
So I think this issue now is becoming a local issue.

1712
02:19:52,250 --> 02:19:53,510
It was a national issue.

1713
02:19:53,990 --> 02:19:56,090
Now it has become a local issue.

1714
02:19:56,090 --> 02:20:10,590
It has become a state to determine abortion rights and choice, and also I want to point

1715
02:20:10,590 --> 02:20:19,470
out that choice of abortion is a freedom to choose, it's not a forced abortion.

1716
02:20:20,450 --> 02:20:27,330
And let me tell you, I was born and raised in China. I was born in the 70s.

1717
02:20:28,790 --> 02:20:40,030
My family, my sisters, my relatives had to went through the fourth abortion because of the one trial policy.

1718
02:20:40,030 --> 02:20:52,630
In our state, we are talking about choice, we are talking about women's freedom to choose.

1719
02:20:55,220 --> 02:21:00,220
So that's a difference, that's a key difference, is a freedom to choose.

1720
02:21:01,320 --> 02:21:09,340
And our forefathers, our founding fathers, have found this country based on the concepts

1721
02:21:10,320 --> 02:21:16,620
of seeking for freedom. The freedom for religious freedom,

1722
02:21:19,020 --> 02:21:21,660
and that's a key point, is a freedom

1723
02:21:21,660 --> 02:21:26,180
to choose, is not a force. A force or person is wrong.

1724
02:21:29,100 --> 02:21:32,840
A freedom to choose is the way

1725
02:21:34,100 --> 02:21:38,800
that we have come to pursue and treasure.

1726
02:21:39,780 --> 02:21:45,640
I myself immigrated as a first-generation to this country

1727
02:21:45,640 --> 02:21:49,120
with the idea of pursuing freedom.

1728
02:21:50,780 --> 02:21:51,780
So for that reason,

1729
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:57,660
I think we need to send a message

1730
02:21:57,660 --> 02:22:02,460
to our lawmakers in the state that we want freedom.

1731
02:22:02,460 --> 02:22:05,000
Thank you.

1732
02:22:06,900 --> 02:22:07,740
Thank

1733
02:22:10,460 --> 02:22:11,540
you, Mayor.

1734
02:22:12,180 --> 02:22:21,320
I support this resolution for the desire to take no action for several reasons.

1735
02:22:21,560 --> 02:22:26,980
First of all, the Supreme Court is the determinant of our Constitution.

1736
02:22:27,520 --> 02:22:32,260
They made a ruling and deferred it to the states for further action.

1737
02:22:32,260 --> 02:22:38,880
That upset a lot of people, I can see, from those who commented tonight.

1738
02:22:39,700 --> 02:22:44,920
And others who commented said that this is not a role of local government.

1739
02:22:45,280 --> 02:22:52,240
This is for the states to decide and not for local government to make comments.

1740
02:22:52,900 --> 02:22:59,720
And no one else in Snohomish County, South Snohomish County, is involved in this action.

1741
02:22:59,720 --> 02:23:07,040
action. I think that this is a very divisive issue. I believe that it's up to our person's

1742
02:23:07,040 --> 02:23:17,740
personal beliefs to take action, and they have the avenues to contact their state legislators,

1743
02:23:18,140 --> 02:23:23,420
the governor, anyone that they choose. But I do not think that this is an appropriate

1744
02:23:23,420 --> 02:23:29,580
role for the City of Edmunds and as a representative government I don't know

1745
02:23:29,580 --> 02:23:36,360
how we can promote just our our progressive agendas without taking into

1746
02:23:36,360 --> 02:23:44,280
account that we have over 40,000 people who are not being represented fully by

1747
02:23:44,280 --> 02:23:50,640
this decision because as we've seen tonight it's a divisive issue not

1748
02:23:50,640 --> 02:24:04,120
that everyone is in agreement so we can't just go with the roles that certain council members wish to take.

1749
02:24:09,710 --> 02:24:16,250
Okay, so we have a motion on the floor to abstain. All those in favor, please say aye.

1750
02:24:16,870 --> 02:24:17,410
Aye.

1751
02:24:17,850 --> 02:24:18,610
All those opposed?

1752
02:24:19,130 --> 02:24:19,550
No.

1753
02:24:20,130 --> 02:24:20,930
Roll call, Mr. Secret.

1754
02:24:21,710 --> 02:24:23,230
Council Member Christiana Johnson.

1755
02:24:23,870 --> 02:24:24,210
Yes.

1756
02:24:24,950 --> 02:24:26,090
Council Member Chen.

1757
02:24:26,410 --> 02:24:26,850
No.

1758
02:24:27,410 --> 02:24:28,370
Council Member Bucianis.

1759
02:24:31,620 --> 02:24:32,880
Council President Olsen.

1760
02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:37,660
Council Member Payne.

1761
02:24:38,480 --> 02:24:38,760
No.

1762
02:24:39,500 --> 02:24:40,900
Council Member Lara Johnson.

1763
02:24:41,420 --> 02:24:41,600
Yeah.

1764
02:24:41,960 --> 02:24:46,640
The vote is 2 yes, 3 no, 1 abstention.

1765
02:24:51,900 --> 02:24:53,380
I think the motion fails.

1766
02:25:04,910 --> 02:25:06,950
Council Member Lara Johnson.

1767
02:25:07,670 --> 02:25:16,050
Yes, I would like to move that we accept a resolution of the Edmund City Council in support of access to a full range of reproductive rights.

1768
02:25:16,050 --> 02:25:20,090
including abortion services and urging federal and state elected officials to

1769
02:25:20,090 --> 02:25:25,730
codify these rights. Is there a second? I would second. Moved in seconded discussion.

1770
02:25:27,050 --> 02:25:28,130
Maker of the motion?

1771
02:25:30,570 --> 02:25:34,630
Thank you. Yes, so what I have moved is the copy that was

1772
02:25:34,630 --> 02:25:44,790
handed out. Yes, and this updated resolution is a

1773
02:25:47,860 --> 02:25:48,980
combination of the

1774
02:25:48,980 --> 02:25:55,640
two resolutions that were in the packet. I appreciate the improvements that came

1775
02:25:55,640 --> 02:26:03,220
with the opportunity to update the resolution and so and you know specifically

1776
02:26:03,220 --> 02:26:09,380
adding more information about Washington State and what Washington State has

1777
02:26:09,380 --> 02:26:14,920
done to date. And so you know Council Member Payne and I undertook this

1778
02:26:14,920 --> 02:26:19,580
resolution and yes it is it is wording is borrowed from five different cities

1779
02:26:19,580 --> 02:26:27,800
Minneapolis, San Diego, Morro Bay, Pasadena and yes San Diego, State of

1780
02:26:27,800 --> 02:26:35,120
Washington Governor's Office. A lot of the statistics and additional wording

1781
02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:40,700
come from the American Psychological Association, the ACLU, as

1782
02:26:43,170 --> 02:26:44,950
well as the

1783
02:26:44,950 --> 02:26:52,010
rabbinical assembly. I mean, I could go on. It goes on. So instead of reinventing the wheel,

1784
02:26:52,250 --> 02:26:56,530
we did our research. We used language from other places. There is original stuff in here

1785
02:26:56,530 --> 02:27:00,310
that comes from both us and from other council members. I'm proud of what we put forward.

1786
02:27:01,190 --> 02:27:06,210
And the reason for this is, you know, we are a country founded on the principle

1787
02:27:06,790 --> 02:27:13,510
of separation of church and state. And last week, 168 million persons who may become

1788
02:27:13,510 --> 02:27:19,870
pregnant had the fundamental right to reproductive freedom and privacy stripped away and the door

1789
02:27:20,470 --> 02:27:25,490
actually more like a flood gate was opened allowing individual bodily autonomy and reproductive

1790
02:27:25,490 --> 02:27:31,410
choice to be dictated by others religious beliefs. If a constitutional right that was

1791
02:27:31,410 --> 02:27:35,710
long established by law can be stripped away like this, what's next? The right for couples

1792
02:27:35,710 --> 02:27:40,650
to use contraception? Marriage equality? Protection from criminalizing the private

1793
02:27:40,650 --> 02:27:48,310
conduct of LGBTQ persons. You know we as a council in 2007 unanimously resolved

1794
02:27:48,310 --> 02:27:51,910
that it is our utmost responsibility to uphold the rights and freedoms of

1795
02:27:51,910 --> 02:27:58,040
families and individuals we represent and that we believe that as elective

1796
02:27:58,040 --> 02:28:01,040
representatives of the people of Edmunds we have a special responsibility to

1797
02:28:01,040 --> 02:28:05,380
speak out against discrimination against any of our residents and we choose to be

1798
02:28:05,380 --> 02:28:09,680
a leader in protecting human rights equity public safety and social

1799
02:28:09,680 --> 02:28:15,640
well-being. After Friday, many in our community were terrified about their safety and well-being

1800
02:28:15,640 --> 02:28:18,960
and the safety and well-being of their family members, friends, and neighbors.

1801
02:28:20,080 --> 02:28:25,360
Now more than ever, as stated in the Safe City Resolution, we as elected representatives

1802
02:28:25,360 --> 02:28:30,820
of the people of Edmunds have a special responsibility to speak out against discrimination

1803
02:28:31,460 --> 02:28:36,600
against any of our residents. And we choose to be a leader by protecting human rights,

1804
02:28:36,600 --> 02:28:42,460
equity, public safety, and social well-being. We owe it to those who are

1805
02:28:42,460 --> 02:28:48,320
terrified about the loss of human rights to use our voice to call upon state and

1806
02:28:48,320 --> 02:28:52,820
federal governments to codify these rights into the Washington State and

1807
02:28:52,820 --> 02:28:57,240
United States constitutions so that going forward the right to bottle the

1808
02:28:57,240 --> 02:29:01,900
autonomy and reproductive freedom is protected at the highest level and not

1809
02:29:01,900 --> 02:29:08,080
threatened in the future. So this resolution, we are standing by those commitments and using

1810
02:29:08,080 --> 02:29:15,540
our collective voice to advocate for the restoration and preservation of reproductive freedom and

1811
02:29:15,540 --> 02:29:15,820
choice.

1812
02:29:19,860 --> 02:29:20,800
Councillor Payne.

1813
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:26,260
Thank you. I'm also going to speak in favor of this resolution. This is a resolution

1814
02:29:26,260 --> 02:29:32,820
as has been talked about that has direct impacts on the most intimate decision making

1815
02:29:32,820 --> 02:29:43,240
that any family makes. This is stuff that happens at kitchen tables, on the phone, everywhere.

1816
02:29:43,960 --> 02:29:51,920
These are conversations you need to have with your medical provider and those who you trust to have access,

1817
02:29:52,180 --> 02:29:56,260
you know, to access their thoughts and their opinions.

1818
02:29:56,860 --> 02:29:59,980
These are not discussions that need to come forward.

1819
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:07,120
From legislators who are telling people that you don't have this choice any longer.

1820
02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:16,780
With the ruling from the Supreme Court, they have undone the ability for people seeking clinical

1821
02:30:16,780 --> 02:30:21,560
care because Casey, the Planned Parenthood, got taken away.

1822
02:30:21,560 --> 02:30:32,160
We also lost Roe v. Wade where the access to safe legal abortion care was taken away overnight.

1823
02:30:33,260 --> 02:30:43,960
And not having the ability to get good counsel puts everybody at risk.

1824
02:30:45,700 --> 02:30:51,360
Nationally, there's been discussion that as soon as, you know, maybe this next election,

1825
02:30:51,780 --> 02:30:54,600
that there's going to be a national outlawing abortion.

1826
02:30:54,860 --> 02:30:59,540
That has been out there, and that has been spoken.

1827
02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:07,220
There's, you know, the Supreme Court has been, you know, packed with people who don't

1828
02:31:07,220 --> 02:31:08,140
believe in choice.

1829
02:31:09,140 --> 02:31:16,420
Having a state constitution, having the federal constitution, recognize reproductive rights

1830
02:31:16,420 --> 02:31:23,280
and reproductive freedom is absolutely essential so people can continue to have access to the

1831
02:31:23,280 --> 02:31:28,280
clinical care that they need for their reproductive services that they need.

1832
02:31:28,660 --> 02:31:30,620
And it's nobody else's business.

1833
02:31:31,400 --> 02:31:35,980
So I don't believe that what we've proposed is outrageous.

1834
02:31:35,980 --> 02:31:44,340
I don't believe that what we're proposing is out of line with what existed two weeks ago.

1835
02:31:45,280 --> 02:31:51,660
So with that, I'd like to make sure that we do support the people, and we heard from a lot.

1836
02:31:52,420 --> 02:31:59,640
We've had all of the comments from here tonight, and we've had probably an equal or more number of emails on this topic.

1837
02:31:59,640 --> 02:32:08,420
It has been overwhelmingly representative of the state's position of 80-20.

1838
02:32:08,660 --> 02:32:16,640
Sometimes it felt like 90-10 in favor of preserving the rights for women to have access to care.

1839
02:32:18,990 --> 02:32:24,790
So with that, I'd like to ask council members to continue to support this.

1840
02:32:24,790 --> 02:32:33,410
I'd like to say finally, and our council member Bucks just talked about it tonight, domestic

1841
02:32:33,410 --> 02:32:44,750
violence is an issue, and that sort of abuse of the family dynamic also is a part of what

1842
02:32:45,430 --> 02:32:46,650
we need to talk about.

1843
02:32:46,650 --> 02:32:55,610
So, you know, when you have a coercive partner and violent, you don't have that choice.

1844
02:32:56,730 --> 02:32:59,070
So it's, you know, what she talked about was real.

1845
02:32:59,950 --> 02:33:05,290
So I want to make sure that we can preserve these rights for the future, for all the families,

1846
02:33:05,530 --> 02:33:06,210
for all the people.

1847
02:33:06,570 --> 02:33:07,010
Thank you.

1848
02:33:09,420 --> 02:33:17,340
Councillor Murni, I'd like to make an amendment and remove section 4, which engages the

1849
02:33:17,340 --> 02:33:23,960
Edmunds Police Department in pursuit of, you know, investigations relating to the

1850
02:33:23,960 --> 02:33:28,860
people seeking or providing abortion. I think this is overreach and therefore I

1851
02:33:28,860 --> 02:33:32,760
would like to have it removed. Is there a second? Second. Moved and seconded.

1852
02:33:32,900 --> 02:33:33,260
Discussion?

1853
02:33:36,670 --> 02:33:39,330
Again. Make a motion. Thank you.

1854
02:33:42,380 --> 02:33:44,300
This is very difficult for me.

1855
02:33:50,580 --> 02:33:51,180
I'm

1856
02:33:51,180 --> 02:33:57,040
have made in a hotel and I saw what happens when someone tries to self-abort and it wasn't

1857
02:33:57,040 --> 02:34:03,380
pretty. And so I'm old enough to know that. And like I said, it's very difficult. I've

1858
02:34:03,380 --> 02:34:09,080
prayed a lot on it. I just think that it's important that we understand the implications

1859
02:34:09,820 --> 02:34:15,240
that what has happened and why it is important for us to maybe make a statement from a city

1860
02:34:15,240 --> 02:34:22,260
level to our state legislators. And I believe that this section 4 is too overreaching. So

1861
02:34:22,260 --> 02:34:22,820
thank you.

1862
02:34:23,480 --> 02:34:24,420
Councillor Moore-Lawry, Johnson?

1863
02:34:25,140 --> 02:34:31,060
Yes. I believe that this section is important and I also believe that the state of Washington

1864
02:34:31,060 --> 02:34:38,660
has already set the ground for this with issuing something similar with respect to

1865
02:34:38,660 --> 02:34:46,820
the Washington State Patrol. So, you know, since we have our own police department, I

1866
02:34:46,820 --> 02:34:55,980
believe that it is appropriate that we make a statement with this as for the policy of

1867
02:34:55,980 --> 02:35:02,140
the Edmunds City of Edmunds Police Department and, you know, not committing services

1868
02:35:02,140 --> 02:35:07,320
in pursuit of any investigations related to those people who are seeking or providing

1869
02:35:07,320 --> 02:35:12,480
abortion care or reproductive health care services and that it is it is not

1870
02:35:12,480 --> 02:35:15,880
current public safety priority for Edmunds community.

1871
02:35:20,040 --> 02:35:22,440
Councilmember Payne. Thank you

1872
02:35:22,440 --> 02:35:30,700
mayor. I agree as you know the state of Washington the governor Inslee said

1873
02:35:30,700 --> 02:35:35,780
that he has putting this together for Washington State Patrol. Each community

1874
02:35:35,780 --> 02:35:43,240
has their own police department and it's and I don't believe this is over

1875
02:35:43,240 --> 02:35:50,240
each and all by making this the lowest priority in our police department then

1876
02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:56,300
that's not inappropriate for us to decide that policy so I would encourage

1877
02:35:56,300 --> 02:36:02,060
others just to support that this is you know that that we're declaring that

1878
02:36:02,060 --> 02:36:10,560
that pursuit of people who have come to our community seeking reproductive health care

1879
02:36:10,560 --> 02:36:18,700
services, abortion care services, or those investigations around that, that's not an

1880
02:36:18,700 --> 02:36:23,200
appropriate test because that's not a public safety issue for Edmonds.

1881
02:36:23,520 --> 02:36:23,940
Thank you.

1882
02:36:23,940 --> 02:36:31,760
Council President. That was one of the clauses that I had looked to rewrite. It

1883
02:36:31,760 --> 02:36:41,480
seemed like it was very much ordering, directing the police, and my first thought

1884
02:36:41,480 --> 02:36:47,920
was that that was more of an administrative thing and that when we talk

1885
02:36:47,920 --> 02:36:52,020
about being a welcoming community for people who live here and people who

1886
02:36:52,020 --> 02:36:56,300
visit, I felt like the administration could make that decision about how it went.

1887
02:36:57,380 --> 02:37:03,600
But furthermore, the section that I had included in one of the versions I had worked on was

1888
02:37:03,600 --> 02:37:08,980
that the Edmund City Council and Edmunds Police Department recognized and agreed to

1889
02:37:08,980 --> 02:37:16,960
the restrictions in RCW 9.02100 prohibiting local law enforcement from penalizing, prosecuting

1890
02:37:16,960 --> 02:37:22,040
or taking any adverse action against patients, exercising their reproductive rights.

1891
02:37:22,840 --> 02:37:28,980
So basically instead of, you know, our council ordering anything, it's our council and the

1892
02:37:28,980 --> 02:37:32,300
EPD supporting what's already a state law.

1893
02:37:33,020 --> 02:37:35,560
And I just like the tone of it better.

1894
02:37:36,260 --> 02:37:45,240
So I guess I would be in favor of voting no with a subsequent motion to add the alternative.

1895
02:37:45,240 --> 02:37:46,180
Council

1896
02:37:50,620 --> 02:37:56,580
Member Chen. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, I think I need some help from a city

1897
02:37:56,580 --> 02:38:09,260
attorney. On section number four here, it's important to state that our police

1898
02:38:09,260 --> 02:38:22,040
will not engage in criminalizing anybody who seek abortion services, but we want to make

1899
02:38:22,040 --> 02:38:30,600
sure that our language is clear and no confusions between those people who seek abortion services

1900
02:38:30,600 --> 02:38:39,220
versus other coins that sometime there's a borderline. So can we add some kind of

1901
02:38:39,220 --> 02:38:46,640
languages to distinguish those seek for abortion services and other

1902
02:38:46,640 --> 02:38:55,540
crime who might be known a clear cut or sometimes use.

1903
02:38:58,520 --> 02:39:00,500
There are all kinds of

1904
02:39:00,500 --> 02:39:14,410
situations where people might use these claws as a shelter for ill actions or

1905
02:39:14,410 --> 02:39:15,370
coming out of claims.

1906
02:39:17,810 --> 02:39:23,390
A shelter for what? The last part, do you repeat the last part?

1907
02:39:23,630 --> 02:39:28,790
Use it as a shelter for what? For other wrongdoing. Oh, other wrongdoing. Okay.

1908
02:39:33,730 --> 02:39:34,210
Well,

1909
02:39:39,680 --> 02:39:44,800
I'm not sure how to answer the question. I think, you know, one thing to note is that

1910
02:39:44,800 --> 02:39:59,080
One option here would be to reference the state laws that protect these rights that are

1911
02:39:59,080 --> 02:40:03,920
set forth in Chapter 9.02 RCW.

1912
02:40:04,800 --> 02:40:14,140
Of course, because those rights are set forth in 9.02 RCW, if you simply reference that

1913
02:40:14,140 --> 02:40:23,260
chapter maybe the statement isn't then saying very much. I'm not sure if the

1914
02:40:23,260 --> 02:40:29,260
the drafters of section four are intending for section four to go in some

1915
02:40:29,260 --> 02:40:36,020
way above and beyond what the state is protecting in 9.02 so maybe the

1916
02:40:36,020 --> 02:40:49,300
drafters would address that. But you don't need to tell your police to protect

1917
02:40:53,300 --> 02:40:53,880
a right

1918
02:40:53,880 --> 02:41:01,800
when state law already protects the right. I mean, the state law specifically says the

1919
02:41:01,800 --> 02:41:07,740
state may not deny or interfere with a pregnant individual's right to choose to have an abortion

1920
02:41:07,740 --> 02:41:14,060
prior to viability of the fetus or to protect the pregnant individual's life or health.

1921
02:41:15,480 --> 02:41:19,540
That's from 9.02.110, just as an example.

1922
02:41:19,860 --> 02:41:23,620
I'm not going to read the entire chapter, but...

1923
02:41:23,620 --> 02:41:27,040
So the state law is already saying that.

1924
02:41:32,390 --> 02:41:36,310
So I'm not totally sure that I...

1925
02:41:41,810 --> 02:41:46,530
looking at Section 4 again to try to see how it kind of fuses with the state law.

1926
02:41:55,770 --> 02:42:02,730
The only way that I can, the only possible ambiguity that I see is that the state law

1927
02:42:04,230 --> 02:42:08,290
protects up to the viability and

1928
02:42:10,400 --> 02:42:19,580
also to protect the pregnant individuals life or

1929
02:42:19,580 --> 02:42:20,060
health.

1930
02:42:22,140 --> 02:42:29,140
The section four there is

1931
02:42:32,440 --> 02:42:36,720
not limited in that way, but could easily be made to be

1932
02:42:36,720 --> 02:42:42,000
limited in that way. But again, if you do that, then I'm not sure if it serves the purpose

1933
02:42:42,000 --> 02:42:47,980
that it's drafted for. I'm sorry if I'm not sure if I'm answering in a helpful way,

1934
02:42:48,080 --> 02:42:51,920
Council Member Chen. If I haven't answered your question, maybe try again.

1935
02:42:51,920 --> 02:42:56,980
And yes, you have, I think maybe that substitution will work better.

1936
02:42:58,020 --> 02:42:58,020
Yeah,

1937
02:43:10,430 --> 02:43:15,290
so also, President, would you read that substitution clause for the records, please?

1938
02:43:16,570 --> 02:43:22,910
We have other folks in line, so we can, she's whatever, whoever's in the queue next will go,

1939
02:43:23,030 --> 02:43:25,070
and then at that appropriate time we'll do that.

1940
02:43:26,190 --> 02:43:26,530
Okay.

1941
02:43:29,770 --> 02:43:30,710
Council Member Laura-Johnson.

1942
02:43:31,070 --> 02:43:31,410
Thank you.

1943
02:43:31,410 --> 02:43:39,210
So, I appreciate Council presidents bringing up the Directive of the Governor, 2212.

1944
02:43:40,630 --> 02:43:48,410
This directive is to the Washington State Patrol and it is a strong directive and I support

1945
02:43:48,410 --> 02:43:49,230
the wording in it.

1946
02:43:49,350 --> 02:43:59,770
I would very much support taking that wording and applying it to the City of Edmunds Police

1947
02:43:59,770 --> 02:44:00,170
Department.

1948
02:44:00,170 --> 02:44:03,050
And so I would very much be in support of that.

1949
02:44:05,760 --> 02:44:06,960
Councillor Payne.

1950
02:44:07,500 --> 02:44:07,900
Thank you, Mayor.

1951
02:44:08,600 --> 02:44:17,440
I too would support the inclusion of the Governors Directive and then the RCW 9.02.

1952
02:44:18,320 --> 02:44:31,080
And I would just have it stop at RCW 9.020 because it's just recently been revised this past year by the State Legislature

1953
02:44:31,080 --> 02:44:38,320
and it's made the abortion care access a lot broader and it does do a lot more coverage

1954
02:44:38,320 --> 02:44:49,140
across the medical providers that are listed prior in versus the previous legislation.

1955
02:44:49,780 --> 02:44:50,920
So I would be supportive of that.

1956
02:44:51,540 --> 02:44:52,420
Council President.

1957
02:44:53,460 --> 02:44:57,960
So Mr. Teridea, as a point of clarification, when we were going back and forth on this

1958
02:44:57,960 --> 02:44:58,440
today.

1959
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:05,340
Isn't it true that that directive that we're discussing did apply to local law enforcement

1960
02:45:05,340 --> 02:45:06,020
as well?

1961
02:45:06,720 --> 02:45:15,940
No, I'm looking at the actual press release from the governor's office, the June 30th press

1962
02:45:15,940 --> 02:45:25,840
release, and one of the paragraphs in that says, though the governor does not have jurisdiction

1963
02:45:25,840 --> 02:45:33,120
over local law enforcement agencies, state law prohibits anyone including all

1964
02:45:33,120 --> 02:45:39,700
state and local enforcement from penalizing, prosecuting, or taking any

1965
02:45:39,700 --> 02:45:47,520
adverse action against patients exercising their reproductive rights. So

1966
02:45:47,520 --> 02:45:52,940
even though the governor's press

1967
02:45:55,180 --> 02:45:57,160
release is expressly stating that

1968
02:45:57,160 --> 02:45:59,760
that does not have jurisdiction over local enforcement

1969
02:45:59,760 --> 02:46:00,280
agencies.

1970
02:46:01,400 --> 02:46:04,980
OK, but then it went on to say, but it penalizes and prohibits

1971
02:46:04,980 --> 02:46:06,460
that state law does that.

1972
02:46:06,600 --> 02:46:07,840
But state law does that, yeah.

1973
02:46:09,080 --> 02:46:11,500
I'm not understanding how you could have both of those things

1974
02:46:11,500 --> 02:46:12,580
happening at the same time.

1975
02:46:13,980 --> 02:46:18,060
Well, the question that it raises for me

1976
02:46:18,680 --> 02:46:23,820
is that if state law already prohibits

1977
02:46:23,820 --> 02:46:30,300
anyone including all state and local enforcement from penalizing, prosecuting, or taking any

1978
02:46:30,300 --> 02:46:36,440
adverse action against patients exercising their reproductive rights. And I believe that's

1979
02:46:36,440 --> 02:46:41,940
consistent with my reading of state law, subject to the limitations that I was just describing.

1980
02:46:44,160 --> 02:46:51,740
It's not clear to me what the purpose of the governor's directive is. I mean it describes

1981
02:46:51,740 --> 02:47:04,690
what it does, but it's not clear to me if this is a real-world impact or a symbolic thing.

1982
02:47:05,410 --> 02:47:12,390
For example, the order says, again, I'm reading from the press release, the order directs

1983
02:47:12,390 --> 02:47:19,810
the Washington State Patrol to decline cooperation with most subpoenas, search warrants, or

1984
02:47:19,810 --> 02:47:25,750
court orders from states with laws that ban or significantly restrict abortion access.

1985
02:47:27,030 --> 02:47:34,230
Washington State Patrol must review and process such requests in conjunction with the office of

1986
02:47:34,230 --> 02:47:38,810
the Attorney General and Governor's General Counsel.

1987
02:47:40,950 --> 02:47:43,890
I guess my suggestion would be

1988
02:47:44,790 --> 02:47:50,610
that if you want to do something similar to what the governor's order does,

1989
02:47:50,790 --> 02:47:56,110
that you more closely copy the language that the governor's order is using

1990
02:47:57,950 --> 02:48:04,170
in the way that it references search warrants or court orders from states with laws

1991
02:48:04,170 --> 02:48:07,010
that ban or significantly restrict abortion access.

1992
02:48:07,370 --> 02:48:11,110
That's the meat of what the governor's order is doing.

1993
02:48:13,470 --> 02:48:19,170
And that may be what was intended by section four here, but section four doesn't exactly

1994
02:48:19,170 --> 02:48:19,830
say that.

1995
02:48:19,890 --> 02:48:20,970
So I'm not sure.

1996
02:48:21,090 --> 02:48:23,190
And I don't want to presume the intent of the authors.

1997
02:48:25,820 --> 02:48:26,480
Thank you.

1998
02:48:30,810 --> 02:48:31,550
Council Member Lord-Johnson.

1999
02:48:32,030 --> 02:48:32,270
Yes.

2000
02:48:32,330 --> 02:48:37,650
As one of the authors of section number four, I will say that what the Governor has written

2001
02:48:37,650 --> 02:48:40,750
up here does a much better job of encapsulating.

2002
02:48:40,870 --> 02:48:41,690
Point of order.

2003
02:48:42,730 --> 02:48:43,570
The intent.

2004
02:48:43,570 --> 02:48:45,330
Council Member Kristiana Johnson?

2005
02:48:47,530 --> 02:48:52,170
Council Member Laura Johnson has already spoken twice on this subject.

2006
02:48:54,780 --> 02:48:58,240
This is, I believe, a motion to amend, correct?

2007
02:48:59,860 --> 02:49:00,260
Not yet.

2008
02:49:03,900 --> 02:49:05,060
There's a motion to remove, right.

2009
02:49:05,180 --> 02:49:08,460
So this is, I don't believe there's been two times spoken on this motion to remove.

2010
02:49:08,760 --> 02:49:09,700
To be fair, yes, I have.

2011
02:49:10,020 --> 02:49:10,720
You have, okay.

2012
02:49:10,740 --> 02:49:13,460
I was clarifying the intent of the authors, and I will stop there.

2013
02:49:13,660 --> 02:49:13,960
Thank you.

2014
02:49:14,580 --> 02:49:17,660
Oh, maybe we can motion to extend 15 minutes.

2015
02:49:18,400 --> 02:49:19,840
We'll have someone else do that.

2016
02:49:19,980 --> 02:49:21,420
Is there a motion to extend?

2017
02:49:21,700 --> 02:49:25,040
All right, so there's a motion to extend until 10.15.

2018
02:49:25,180 --> 02:49:25,640
Is there a second?

2019
02:49:25,960 --> 02:49:26,300
Second.

2020
02:49:26,700 --> 02:49:27,660
Moved and seconded.

2021
02:49:27,720 --> 02:49:28,100
Discussion.

2022
02:49:30,120 --> 02:49:32,500
All those, all those in favor, extend until 10.15.

2023
02:49:32,620 --> 02:49:33,320
Please say aye.

2024
02:49:33,640 --> 02:49:33,940
Aye.

2025
02:49:34,400 --> 02:49:35,040
All those opposed?

2026
02:49:36,720 --> 02:49:38,940
Motion carries extended until 10.15.

2027
02:49:44,830 --> 02:49:46,010
So I have nothing, no one else?

2028
02:49:46,870 --> 02:49:47,350
Okay.

2029
02:49:47,350 --> 02:49:48,190
Mr.

2030
02:49:51,550 --> 02:49:53,890
Patsy, can you remind me what the motion is, the current motion is?

2031
02:49:53,890 --> 02:49:55,730
I believe the motion is to strike section 4.

2032
02:49:56,250 --> 02:49:56,490
Correct.

2033
02:50:02,560 --> 02:50:04,680
So we have a motion to strike section 4.

2034
02:50:05,540 --> 02:50:06,280
All those in favor?

2035
02:50:13,610 --> 02:50:14,690
Councilor Lord Johnson.

2036
02:50:15,090 --> 02:50:24,090
With the motion to strike section 4, I would amend it to take the directive

2037
02:50:26,170 --> 02:50:28,830
of the governor, 22.12,

2038
02:50:29,690 --> 02:50:34,470
and to take the verbiage that applies to the Washington State Patrol and adopt

2039
02:50:34,470 --> 02:50:39,290
that to apply to the City of Edmond's Police Department. Is there a second?

2040
02:50:40,110 --> 02:50:43,870
Oh, a second. Moved and seconded discussion on this amendment.

2041
02:50:46,630 --> 02:50:46,990
Councilor

2042
02:50:46,990 --> 02:50:51,570
Abukchus? Can I have that restated since I have that it's very confusing with

2043
02:50:51,570 --> 02:50:53,010
so many versions that we have?

2044
02:50:56,590 --> 02:50:59,390
I am amending the motion to strike section

2045
02:50:59,390 --> 02:51:09,510
for, to have it be that we will then take the directive of the governor, directive 2212

2046
02:51:09,510 --> 02:51:15,330
and take the verbiage of that, which is written to the Washington State Patrol, and take it

2047
02:51:16,630 --> 02:51:25,790
to adopt to the Edmunds City Police Department, and that would include, you know, that includes

2048
02:51:25,790 --> 02:51:33,410
the RCW that's been cited a few times are within this directive. Any

2049
02:51:37,250 --> 02:51:37,410
more

2050
02:51:37,410 --> 02:51:46,070
discussion? All those in favor please say aye. Aye. All those opposed? No. We'll call

2051
02:51:46,070 --> 02:51:51,950
Mr. Secret. Council Member Christiana Johnson. No. Council Member Chen. Yes.

2052
02:51:52,310 --> 02:51:57,990
Council Member Bukshanis. Yes. Council President Olsen. Yes. Council Member Payne.

2053
02:51:57,990 --> 02:51:58,370
Yes.

2054
02:51:58,890 --> 02:52:00,070
Council Member Lara-Johnson.

2055
02:52:00,330 --> 02:52:00,490
Yes.

2056
02:52:01,470 --> 02:52:03,190
The vote is five to one, motion carries.

2057
02:52:05,700 --> 02:52:10,040
So we still have a motion on the floor.

2058
02:52:10,400 --> 02:52:12,980
Mayor, can I ask some clarification?

2059
02:52:15,780 --> 02:52:18,820
Because the last amendment that was voted on

2060
02:52:19,260 --> 02:52:24,320
was not a full insertion of language

2061
02:52:24,320 --> 02:52:26,660
that I can copy down, is the idea

2062
02:52:26,660 --> 02:52:34,220
that this would come back next week on consent so that I could draft something

2063
02:52:34,220 --> 02:52:38,920
that's consistent with the spirit of that motion and then have the council see

2064
02:52:38,920 --> 02:52:43,960
it before they actually take a final vote on it. If not, I think we might need

2065
02:52:43,960 --> 02:52:46,860
to do more work on that to make sure that I've got the language right.

2066
02:52:52,020 --> 02:52:57,460
Council President? Yes, next week is committee night. Would it be possible to

2067
02:52:57,460 --> 02:53:00,200
just take a few minutes and work on it now.

2068
02:53:00,560 --> 02:53:01,580
But that wording would be?

2069
02:53:01,920 --> 02:53:06,500
Yeah, I mean, one possible version would be to do this.

2070
02:53:06,980 --> 02:53:10,200
And again, I don't wanna presume anything,

2071
02:53:10,240 --> 02:53:12,940
but I'm trying to capture the spirit of the discussion.

2072
02:53:13,280 --> 02:53:15,340
And I'm also mindful of the distinction

2073
02:53:15,340 --> 02:53:18,020
that here we have a legislative body

2074
02:53:18,540 --> 02:53:20,140
speaking to a police department.

2075
02:53:20,960 --> 02:53:22,500
And in the governor's situation,

2076
02:53:22,680 --> 02:53:24,500
we have the executive branch speaking

2077
02:53:24,500 --> 02:53:28,440
into their, to its own law enforcement agency.

2078
02:53:28,780 --> 02:53:30,280
And so for that reason,

2079
02:53:30,380 --> 02:53:32,060
I'm going to change the language slightly.

2080
02:53:33,360 --> 02:53:36,640
And this is what I would suggest that it say,

2081
02:53:38,020 --> 02:53:40,960
with the passage of this resolution,

2082
02:53:41,220 --> 02:53:43,180
the Edmunds City Council requests,

2083
02:53:43,680 --> 02:53:45,320
not directs, but requests,

2084
02:53:45,560 --> 02:53:47,940
and that's because of the legislative,

2085
02:53:47,940 --> 02:53:49,660
executive distinction,

2086
02:53:50,820 --> 02:53:58,800
request the City of Edmunds Police Department to, and then I'm going to switch over to the

2087
02:53:58,800 --> 02:54:02,360
press release here, to decline

2088
02:54:05,980 --> 02:54:10,360
cooperation with most subpoenas, search warrants, or court

2089
02:54:10,360 --> 02:54:15,140
orders from states with laws that ban or significantly restrict abortion access.

2090
02:54:20,240 --> 02:54:22,540
Folks need to hit their microphones there. Councillor Laura Johnson?

2091
02:54:23,960 --> 02:54:30,240
Yeah, so when I'm reading it, there's further language there, and it says, you know, refrain

2092
02:54:30,240 --> 02:54:34,520
from providing any cooperation or assistance whatsoever to any out-of-state law enforcement

2093
02:54:34,520 --> 02:54:40,120
agency, public entity or private party, if the matter concerns abortion-related conduct

2094
02:54:40,120 --> 02:54:44,560
or other reproductive health, and it goes on, establish a process in conjunction,

2095
02:54:48,610 --> 02:54:49,870
that would need to be changed.

2096
02:54:49,870 --> 02:54:55,210
you're probably looking at the actual directive and I'm looking at the press

2097
02:54:55,210 --> 02:55:00,550
release which is probably a shorthand version of that. Yeah the actual

2098
02:55:00,550 --> 02:55:07,550
directive is I believe that it does a thorough job of encapsulating the

2099
02:55:07,550 --> 02:55:13,950
intent of the original section number four and so it you know my motion was

2100
02:55:13,950 --> 02:55:20,270
to take the language from that and adopt it for the City of Edmunds?

2101
02:55:24,060 --> 02:55:32,060
Would it work to reference the directive as Directive 22-12 and just say something like

2102
02:55:32,700 --> 02:55:43,480
requests that the Edmunds Police Department follow the directions provided in Directive

2103
02:55:43,480 --> 02:55:46,580
of the Governor 22-12 and just do it that way?

2104
02:55:46,580 --> 02:55:48,820
to me. We'd have to ask the rest of the council.

2105
02:55:52,280 --> 02:55:55,440
Council President? I think that

2106
02:55:55,440 --> 02:56:04,780
that was simpler and a better one. Thank you. Councilor Payne? Thank you. Councilor

2107
02:56:04,780 --> 02:56:12,280
Buksius? Since we voted on this already, are we pulling it and re-amending it or

2108
02:56:12,280 --> 02:56:15,380
what is the actual parliamentary procedure that we're doing? Because

2109
02:56:15,380 --> 02:56:24,100
I'm very confused. We already voted on something that started. So do we do we pull it and reamend

2110
02:56:24,100 --> 02:56:31,100
or do we what are we doing here? Well, I think that's a fair question. I think just to get clarity

2111
02:56:31,100 --> 02:56:41,930
I would suggest that there be another motion to another motion to amend to just tighten up

2112
02:56:41,930 --> 02:56:51,410
vote, the spirit of what was previously voted on by either expressly referencing 22-12 and

2113
02:56:52,130 --> 02:56:56,970
requesting that the Edmunds Police Department, which I think now that I'm hearing Council

2114
02:56:56,970 --> 02:57:03,730
Member Johnson, I think that may be more consistent with what her motion was that you all voted

2115
02:57:03,730 --> 02:57:03,990
on.

2116
02:57:06,840 --> 02:57:07,680
Councillor Lord Johnson?

2117
02:57:08,820 --> 02:57:09,080
Yeah.

2118
02:57:09,260 --> 02:57:12,280
I mean, I referenced the directive, not the press release.

2119
02:57:12,540 --> 02:57:12,820
You did.

2120
02:57:12,820 --> 02:57:19,100
And so we voted on the directive not the press release and it was to have the

2121
02:57:19,100 --> 02:57:24,380
directive taken and worded to apply to the City of Edmunds Police Department

2122
02:57:24,380 --> 02:57:26,340
and so that's what we voted on.

2123
02:57:29,180 --> 02:57:32,960
So does that mean that the mayor that is this

2124
02:57:32,960 --> 02:57:36,800
a request that the mayor issue such a directive to his police department because

2125
02:57:36,800 --> 02:57:43,420
that would be if I was translating that directly that's what that's what

2126
02:57:43,420 --> 02:57:44,020
that would be.

2127
02:57:50,310 --> 02:57:55,530
I was trying to make the analysis. I appreciate that you're asking for clarity

2128
02:57:55,530 --> 02:58:02,630
on this and that makes complete sense. I think that would be one that is acceptable to me

2129
02:58:02,630 --> 02:58:13,890
but I believe we need to vote on that as well. So I guess I can make the motion that section

2130
02:58:13,890 --> 02:58:14,490
for.

2131
02:58:17,440 --> 02:58:22,700
Councilor Buksius. Would this now not be considered a reconsideration because we are

2132
02:58:22,700 --> 02:58:28,460
definitely changing the content of what we voted on even though you have a spirit of the original

2133
02:58:28,460 --> 02:58:33,920
amendment that we all voted on. Would this not be considered a reconsideration so that we can

2134
02:58:33,920 --> 02:58:41,500
actually have a clean amendment that we can all vote on and know what is being said? Yeah I

2135
02:58:41,500 --> 02:58:44,040
I suppose you could characterize it as a motion

2136
02:58:44,040 --> 02:58:46,300
for reconsideration if someone in the moving party

2137
02:58:46,300 --> 02:58:50,840
wanted to move, if someone in the prevailing party

2138
02:58:50,840 --> 02:58:55,160
wanted to move the motion and characterize it that way,

2139
02:58:55,260 --> 02:58:56,620
that would probably work.

2140
02:58:56,960 --> 02:58:58,240
At the end of the day, I'm not sure

2141
02:58:58,240 --> 02:58:59,340
what you all just voted on.

2142
02:58:59,420 --> 02:59:00,440
That's why I'm bringing it up.

2143
02:59:01,680 --> 02:59:04,100
So if we could just get to a motion

2144
02:59:04,100 --> 02:59:05,720
that makes sense for our city attorney,

2145
02:59:05,860 --> 02:59:06,780
I think that would help everybody.

2146
02:59:07,800 --> 02:59:08,760
I'd be glad to do that.

2147
02:59:08,760 --> 02:59:16,420
Councilor Payne. Thank you Mayor. I would like to have a motion for reconsideration

2148
02:59:16,420 --> 02:59:20,760
regarding Section 4 of this resolution.

2149
02:59:23,380 --> 02:59:25,920
How this would be stated is with the

2150
02:59:25,920 --> 02:59:34,560
passage of this resolution the Edmunds City Council requests of the Edmunds

2151
02:59:34,560 --> 02:59:39,700
Police Department to refrain from providing any cooperation or assistance

2152
02:59:39,700 --> 02:59:59,620
to any out-of-state law enforcement agency, public entity, or private party if the matter concerns abortion-related conduct or other reproductive health care or services that are lawful in Washington, including but not limited to declining to cooperate with an out-of-state subpoena, search warrant,

2153
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:03,940
Court order that has not been domesticated in Washington.

2154
03:00:04,960 --> 03:00:08,620
In order, Mr. Mayor, Mr.

2155
03:00:10,680 --> 03:00:14,440
Parliamentarian, on our reconsideration, don't we vote on having

2156
03:00:14,440 --> 03:00:20,900
a reconsideration and then we have a new amendment? In other words, we're reconsidering and removing

2157
03:00:20,900 --> 03:00:26,100
the old amendment. I believe that's correct.

2158
03:00:26,100 --> 03:00:31,660
Okay, so shouldn't we just reconsider and vote AMA and then have a new amendment?

2159
03:00:32,200 --> 03:00:34,980
That's probably what should be done in that order.

2160
03:00:35,100 --> 03:00:36,720
Council Member Payne, would you like to restate your motion?

2161
03:00:38,200 --> 03:00:41,900
I think we need to vote on it first, on the reconsideration.

2162
03:00:43,480 --> 03:00:44,040
Okay.

2163
03:00:45,160 --> 03:00:48,200
Any more discussion on this reconsideration motion?

2164
03:00:53,910 --> 03:00:55,830
All those in favor, please say aye.

2165
03:00:56,050 --> 03:00:56,350
Aye.

2166
03:00:56,990 --> 03:00:57,690
All those opposed?

2167
03:00:58,510 --> 03:00:59,770
motion passes.

2168
03:01:02,130 --> 03:01:06,250
I'll restate the the motion for reconsideration. Would the

2169
03:01:06,250 --> 03:01:07,350
council

2170
03:01:10,040 --> 03:01:16,500
members please wait till I call on you. Councilor Payne. Thank you. With

2171
03:01:16,500 --> 03:01:22,560
the passage of this resolution Edmonds Council requests of the Edmonds Police

2172
03:01:22,560 --> 03:01:29,320
Department to refrain from providing any cooperation or assistance whatsoever to

2173
03:01:29,320 --> 03:01:31,380
to any out-of-state law enforcement agency,

2174
03:01:31,800 --> 03:01:33,640
public entity, or private party,

2175
03:01:34,160 --> 03:01:36,360
if that matter concerns abortion-related conduct

2176
03:01:36,360 --> 03:01:37,900
or other reproductive health care

2177
03:01:38,330 --> 03:01:40,660
or services that are lawful in Washington,

2178
03:01:41,100 --> 03:01:43,900
including but not limited to declining to cooperate

2179
03:01:43,900 --> 03:01:46,980
with an out-of-state subpoena search warrant

2180
03:01:46,980 --> 03:01:49,440
or court order that has not been domesticated

2181
03:01:49,440 --> 03:01:50,220
in Washington.

2182
03:01:50,780 --> 03:01:51,080
Second?

2183
03:01:51,980 --> 03:01:53,420
Moved and seconded.

2184
03:01:53,800 --> 03:01:54,180
Discussion?

2185
03:01:55,460 --> 03:01:56,540
Councilmember Buksius?

2186
03:01:57,200 --> 03:02:03,360
Thank you for that reconsideration. I don't know where this language is coming from. I haven't read it in any of my materials

2187
03:02:03,360 --> 03:02:05,120
So I'm not going to support it.

2188
03:02:06,850 --> 03:02:07,590
Council President.

2189
03:02:08,290 --> 03:02:19,230
I think the city attorney had made a comment about asking the mayor to ask staff instead of having it worded as the council asking the police department.

2190
03:02:20,170 --> 03:02:21,910
But do they understand that correctly?

2191
03:02:21,910 --> 03:02:28,930
Well, as I heard the motion that Council Member Payne just made, it did contain the word request

2192
03:02:28,930 --> 03:02:37,370
and not the word direct, and I think that's the key distinction that I'm seeing because

2193
03:02:37,370 --> 03:02:43,850
the Council really shouldn't be directing employees to do anything, really.

2194
03:02:45,150 --> 03:02:50,390
I think in the earlier version it said something about city of evidence policy, and I think

2195
03:02:50,390 --> 03:02:57,170
that would be maybe a way of being more appropriate, but also a little stronger.

2196
03:02:59,730 --> 03:03:02,150
Would the maker of the motion want to make that change?

2197
03:03:02,810 --> 03:03:03,290
I'm sorry.

2198
03:03:04,530 --> 03:03:10,610
Just instead of asking the police department that it would be to...

2199
03:03:14,800 --> 03:03:16,600
This happened last meeting too.

2200
03:03:16,840 --> 03:03:19,860
Sorry, I think the brain cells turn off at 10.

2201
03:03:23,800 --> 03:03:26,240
Mr. Tarity, do you remember what I was asking you?

2202
03:03:26,240 --> 03:03:33,180
Yeah, I think what you're suggesting, if I'm following, is that the motion be amended

2203
03:03:33,180 --> 03:03:34,320
to say so.

2204
03:03:34,320 --> 03:03:35,320
Oh, just the amendments policy.

2205
03:03:35,700 --> 03:03:35,860
Right.

2206
03:03:36,580 --> 03:03:36,840
Yeah.

2207
03:03:37,820 --> 03:03:38,120
That.

2208
03:03:43,470 --> 03:03:44,790
Council Member Christiana Johnson?

2209
03:03:48,970 --> 03:03:53,430
Yeah, some concerns about that language as well.

2210
03:03:54,390 --> 03:04:01,330
I was wondering if we should direct the mayor to ask the police department because

2211
03:04:01,330 --> 03:04:08,470
Because we can't tell the Mayor what to do, but we can't tell his staff what to do.

2212
03:04:08,910 --> 03:04:13,370
So I wonder if that is a correct distinction.

2213
03:04:16,380 --> 03:04:21,500
Well, as the Executive Mayor, I believe that you take direction from the Council.

2214
03:04:24,100 --> 03:04:24,900
This is City Attorney.

2215
03:04:25,380 --> 03:04:25,520
Yeah.

2216
03:04:25,980 --> 03:04:31,920
The Council adopts policy, and so certainly the Council can adopt policy.

2217
03:04:31,920 --> 03:04:44,600
And where that policy is, you know, in the form of a law, the mayor is tasked with enforcing

2218
03:04:44,600 --> 03:04:46,260
the laws of the city.

2219
03:04:46,900 --> 03:04:52,580
But it's not as if the mayor is a city manager that reports to the city council.

2220
03:04:52,780 --> 03:04:58,240
That's not quite the relationship that an independently elected mayor has.

2221
03:04:58,240 --> 03:05:00,040
Thank you.

2222
03:05:00,100 --> 03:05:06,280
Should we then make it a policy of the city in

2223
03:05:09,480 --> 03:05:11,920
order to fit in that chain of command?

2224
03:05:16,900 --> 03:05:17,320
There's,

2225
03:05:24,990 --> 03:05:32,170
yeah, I think that was similar to the motion that Council President Olsen was

2226
03:05:33,190 --> 03:05:40,930
contemplating as well by folding the word policy into the motion.

2227
03:05:40,930 --> 03:05:42,090
Well,

2228
03:05:46,360 --> 03:05:49,560
can you craft that for us?

2229
03:05:49,940 --> 03:05:50,100
An

2230
03:05:56,180 --> 03:05:59,460
option would be with the passage of this resolution,

2231
03:06:02,420 --> 03:06:05,660
it shall be the policy of the

2232
03:06:05,660 --> 03:06:14,520
City of Edmonds to refrain from providing any cooperation or assistance whatsoever to any

2233
03:06:14,520 --> 03:06:21,340
out-of-state law enforcement agency, public entity, or private party if the matter concerns

2234
03:06:21,340 --> 03:06:25,840
abortion-related conduct or other reproductive health care or services

2235
03:06:25,840 --> 03:06:31,080
that are lawful in Washington, including but not limited to declining to

2236
03:06:31,080 --> 03:06:36,840
cooperate with an out-of-state subpoena search warrant or court order that has

2237
03:06:36,840 --> 03:06:39,040
not been domesticated in Washington.

2238
03:06:43,760 --> 03:06:47,240
I'm not quite sure where we are in the

2239
03:06:47,240 --> 03:07:02,000
amendment process, but I would offer that as language to use to keep the city council

2240
03:07:02,180 --> 03:07:09,400
and mayor and staff in its proper order.

2241
03:07:10,880 --> 03:07:12,760
It's been moved and seconded.

2242
03:07:15,680 --> 03:07:18,060
We'll put that on hold because it's 10-14.

2243
03:07:18,500 --> 03:07:24,640
There's a motion to extend to 10-30.

2244
03:07:25,080 --> 03:07:25,540
Is there a second?

2245
03:07:26,140 --> 03:07:26,420
Second.

2246
03:07:26,680 --> 03:07:27,640
Moved and seconded.

2247
03:07:28,040 --> 03:07:28,300
Discussion.

2248
03:07:29,360 --> 03:07:30,980
All is in favor, extend until 10-30.

2249
03:07:31,100 --> 03:07:31,860
Please say aye.

2250
03:07:32,160 --> 03:07:32,420
Aye.

2251
03:07:32,540 --> 03:07:32,580
Aye.

2252
03:07:32,900 --> 03:07:33,620
All those opposed?

2253
03:07:34,500 --> 03:07:35,020
No.

2254
03:07:35,020 --> 03:07:43,820
I see that as one opposed, majority yes, so motion passes, extended to 1030.

2255
03:07:47,060 --> 03:07:49,420
Back to the amendment,

2256
03:07:56,180 --> 03:07:57,400
it was moved and seconded.

2257
03:07:57,480 --> 03:07:59,300
All those in favor, please say aye.

2258
03:07:59,620 --> 03:08:00,000
Aye.

2259
03:08:00,280 --> 03:08:00,640
Okay,

2260
03:08:09,310 --> 03:08:14,570
I think the pending motion would be to amend section four to read as follows.

2261
03:08:14,570 --> 03:08:21,670
With the passage of this resolution, it shall be the policy of the City of

2262
03:08:21,670 --> 03:08:29,330
Edmonds to refrain from providing any cooperation or assistance whatsoever to

2263
03:08:29,330 --> 03:08:36,530
any out-of-state law enforcement agency, public entity, or private party if the

2264
03:08:36,530 --> 03:08:42,450
matter concerns abortion related conduct or other reproductive health care

2265
03:08:42,450 --> 03:08:49,190
or services that are lawful in Washington, including but not limited to declining to cooperate

2266
03:08:49,190 --> 03:08:55,490
with an out-of-state subpoena, search warrant, or court order that has not been domesticated

2267
03:08:55,490 --> 03:08:56,150
in Washington.

2268
03:08:58,700 --> 03:09:02,540
So now that everyone's clear in what they're voting on, all those in favor, please say

2269
03:09:02,540 --> 03:09:02,900
aye.

2270
03:09:03,220 --> 03:09:03,520
Aye.

2271
03:09:04,180 --> 03:09:04,860
All those opposed?

2272
03:09:06,120 --> 03:09:07,100
Motion passes.

2273
03:09:15,460 --> 03:09:18,100
So we still have a main motion on the floor.

2274
03:09:18,100 --> 03:09:23,500
or any other, not hearing anything else.

2275
03:09:23,760 --> 03:09:25,400
So the main motion as amended.

2276
03:09:25,780 --> 03:09:29,080
All those in favor, please say aye.

2277
03:09:29,600 --> 03:09:29,940
Aye.

2278
03:09:30,480 --> 03:09:31,160
All those opposed?

2279
03:09:32,480 --> 03:09:33,420
Motion passes.

2280
03:09:35,140 --> 03:09:36,360
Roll call, Mr. City Clerk.

2281
03:09:38,580 --> 03:09:39,520
Member Christiana Johnson.

2282
03:09:43,000 --> 03:09:44,120
Council Member Chen.

2283
03:09:44,820 --> 03:09:45,120
Yes.

2284
03:09:45,760 --> 03:09:46,840
Council Member Bucciness.

2285
03:09:47,160 --> 03:09:47,380
Yes.

2286
03:09:48,040 --> 03:09:49,020
Council President Olsen.

2287
03:09:49,460 --> 03:09:49,700
Yes.

2288
03:09:50,420 --> 03:09:51,460
Council Member Payne.

2289
03:09:51,700 --> 03:09:51,960
Yes.

2290
03:09:52,360 --> 03:09:53,320
Council Member Lara Johnson.

2291
03:09:53,660 --> 03:09:53,840
Yes.

2292
03:09:58,060 --> 03:09:58,900
The next

2293
03:10:01,810 --> 03:10:11,630
item on the agenda is the City of Linnwood, Mededale Park, ILA 2002, 2022 Expenditure

2294
03:10:11,630 --> 03:10:12,050
Request.

2295
03:10:12,390 --> 03:10:13,370
I don't think we're getting to that.

2296
03:10:13,990 --> 03:10:16,150
Actually, I think it's our ordinance that we pulled.

2297
03:10:16,710 --> 03:10:17,390
Oh, I'm sorry.

2298
03:10:18,850 --> 03:10:19,390
Thank you.

2299
03:10:19,950 --> 03:10:24,490
Ordinance repealing or amending certain chapters of ECC Title IV licenses and adding a new

2300
03:10:24,490 --> 03:10:29,530
Chapter related to special events permits? Yes, I actually asked Council President

2301
03:10:29,530 --> 03:10:34,050
to pull this because I received some late-breaking information from our

2302
03:10:34,050 --> 03:10:38,530
Development Services Department that they would actually like to retain a

2303
03:10:38,530 --> 03:10:47,410
Chapter 4.80 which actually relates to aircraft landing permits. So the motion

2304
03:10:47,410 --> 03:10:52,030
we're requesting is the adoption of the proposed ordinance but striking the

2305
03:10:52,030 --> 03:10:54,130
repealer of 4.80.

2306
03:10:57,240 --> 03:10:58,580
It's moved and seconded.

2307
03:10:59,360 --> 03:11:01,220
Second discussion.

2308
03:11:05,400 --> 03:11:06,120
Councilor Payne.

2309
03:11:06,700 --> 03:11:07,860
Oh, sorry.

2310
03:11:08,080 --> 03:11:09,140
I forgot to unclick.

2311
03:11:10,040 --> 03:11:11,980
All those in favor, please say aye.

2312
03:11:12,360 --> 03:11:12,720
Aye.

2313
03:11:13,300 --> 03:11:13,940
All those opposed.

2314
03:11:14,460 --> 03:11:15,620
I have a question.

2315
03:11:17,760 --> 03:11:19,220
Councilor Cristiano Johnson.

2316
03:11:25,000 --> 03:11:30,520
Mr. Pastry, does that have to

2317
03:11:32,540 --> 03:11:33,440
relate

2318
03:11:36,780 --> 03:11:44,740
those and health aviation devices?

2319
03:11:48,230 --> 03:11:51,830
You know, I don't know specifically what it relates to.

2320
03:11:52,010 --> 03:12:01,430
All I know is that apparently the code references that chapter 4.80 in a few places and staff

2321
03:12:01,430 --> 03:12:06,090
felt like just to be safe, they wanted to keep it in the code for the time being.

2322
03:12:06,090 --> 03:12:11,610
and then if later on they they'd like to strike it they'd like to take an

2323
03:12:11,610 --> 03:12:12,550
opportunity later.

2324
03:12:18,530 --> 03:12:22,330
So if we could do that again all those in favor of this

2325
03:12:24,230 --> 03:12:26,710
amendment or motion please say aye.

2326
03:12:29,040 --> 03:12:31,020
All those opposed? Motion

2327
03:12:33,070 --> 03:12:34,750
passes. Thank you.

2328
03:12:35,490 --> 03:12:39,410
Council President. I just had one additional comment that I wanted to

2329
03:12:39,410 --> 03:12:41,610
make before we do the vote on the main motion.

2330
03:12:43,720 --> 03:12:45,720
I'm sorry. There's another

2331
03:12:45,720 --> 03:12:46,680
of the council member, who is?

2332
03:12:47,540 --> 03:12:48,720
Council member Kristian Johnson,

2333
03:12:49,120 --> 03:12:51,340
unfortunately there's a lag when you speak.

2334
03:12:51,580 --> 03:12:53,560
It's delayed here from what we're hearing

2335
03:12:53,560 --> 03:12:55,480
and it's also speaking very slowly.

2336
03:12:56,220 --> 03:12:57,940
It sounds like you're speaking very slowly as well.

2337
03:13:00,480 --> 03:13:00,760
Aye.

2338
03:13:01,120 --> 03:13:03,860
There's an aye to that, okay.

2339
03:13:04,140 --> 03:13:04,500
Thank you.

2340
03:13:05,240 --> 03:13:05,580
Council President.

2341
03:13:06,100 --> 03:13:10,300
So, Mr, we had a citizen who had made a comment

2342
03:13:10,300 --> 03:13:11,720
about unopened right of ways

2343
03:13:11,720 --> 03:13:14,320
and offhand I actually wasn't remembering that.

2344
03:13:14,380 --> 03:13:16,160
I'm guessing it may have been in the fee schedule.

2345
03:13:17,700 --> 03:13:22,840
We've had this on the agenda no fewer than six times, I think, and that hadn't been one

2346
03:13:22,840 --> 03:13:23,900
of the things that came up.

2347
03:13:24,000 --> 03:13:28,380
So I just want to acknowledge the fact that we heard that and we can take a look at those

2348
03:13:28,380 --> 03:13:31,800
comments that were made and we can bring it back for a moment if we need to.

2349
03:13:33,100 --> 03:13:37,940
So I would like to be supporting this and I'm ready to vote on the main motion.

2350
03:13:41,600 --> 03:13:42,420
Councilor Payne.

2351
03:13:43,200 --> 03:13:47,980
I don't believe that we've moved to adopt this ordinance.

2352
03:13:48,080 --> 03:13:48,540
That's correct.

2353
03:13:48,540 --> 03:13:54,680
So, I'd like to make a motion to adopt an ordinance of the City of Edmunds, Washington,

2354
03:13:54,860 --> 03:14:02,000
providing for the repeal of or amendment to certain chapters of Title IV ECC licenses

2355
03:14:02,860 --> 03:14:10,680
and for the adoption of a new chapter to Title IV ECC relating to special event permits

2356
03:14:11,180 --> 03:14:15,180
providing for severability and setting an effective date as amended.

2357
03:14:15,840 --> 03:14:16,800
Is there a second?

2358
03:14:17,960 --> 03:14:18,260
Second.

2359
03:14:18,480 --> 03:14:19,320
Moved and seconded.

2360
03:14:19,500 --> 03:14:19,700
Discussion?

2361
03:14:22,700 --> 03:14:24,480
All those in favor, please say aye.

2362
03:14:24,780 --> 03:14:25,200
Aye.

2363
03:14:25,580 --> 03:14:26,200
All those opposed?

2364
03:14:27,420 --> 03:14:28,360
Motion passes.

2365
03:14:29,320 --> 03:14:29,800
Ordinance passes.

2366
03:14:30,620 --> 03:14:31,260
Ordinance number?

2367
03:14:32,720 --> 03:14:36,540
I think this is going to be ordinance number 4269.

2368
03:14:38,860 --> 03:14:39,620
Very well.

2369
03:14:40,080 --> 03:14:41,780
Now with nine minutes left,

2370
03:14:43,420 --> 03:14:45,100
City of Lindwood, Meadowdale Park,

2371
03:14:45,300 --> 03:14:47,500
ILA 2022 expenditure request.

2372
03:14:48,280 --> 03:14:51,360
That is going to be taking up at a future meeting, Council President?

2373
03:14:53,260 --> 03:14:58,840
Yes, actually one of the committee members had expressed to me an interest in this going back to committee.

2374
03:14:59,400 --> 03:14:59,980
So, it's going back to the committee.

2375
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:07,780
If there's no objection from the council to remand effect committee. That was, and I was

2376
03:15:07,780 --> 03:15:14,120
only speaking because councilmember Christiana Johnson was having a lag with her speech, but

2377
03:15:14,120 --> 03:15:16,360
it was her. She's able to speak to it.

2378
03:15:20,820 --> 03:15:22,440
Let's see. We have Angie Fesser here.

2379
03:15:24,860 --> 03:15:33,160
Yeah. Honestly, I don't think we could do it justice tonight. And it's pretty complicated,

2380
03:15:33,160 --> 03:15:37,980
So it may be best to take it back to the committee

2381
03:15:37,980 --> 03:15:41,600
and I would actually recommend that we probably take a look

2382
03:15:41,600 --> 03:15:47,320
at it in a bigger sense of the anticipated a renewal

2383
03:15:47,320 --> 03:15:51,000
of the 2025 deadline on the entire in a local agreement.

2384
03:15:51,260 --> 03:15:53,640
So I think that would probably the best thing to do

2385
03:15:53,640 --> 03:15:55,120
at this time, that's staff's recommendation.

2386
03:15:58,330 --> 03:15:59,030
Thank you.

2387
03:15:59,330 --> 03:16:03,950
Okay, so moving on to next item,

2388
03:16:03,950 --> 03:16:08,030
Public Meetings Act of PMA training. That's obviously not happening tonight.

2389
03:16:08,890 --> 03:16:16,750
So next we'll move on to Mayor's comments. I just wanted to thank everyone who turned out to our 4th of July Parade.

2390
03:16:16,990 --> 03:16:23,010
Thank you to the Evans Chamber of Commerce for putting it all together and for the city staff and supporting that.

2391
03:16:23,350 --> 03:16:29,230
It was great to see the new police bike patrol out there as well as the South County fire bike patrol.

2392
03:16:29,790 --> 03:16:32,850
There was maybe even an unofficial race although I won't say who won.

2393
03:16:35,050 --> 03:16:38,750
And thank you to all those who refrained from lighting off fireworks.

2394
03:16:40,110 --> 03:16:44,550
I know that folks were disappointed that we didn't have official authorized fireworks this year.

2395
03:16:44,630 --> 03:16:46,850
As folks know, we're redoing Civic Field.

2396
03:16:47,390 --> 03:16:50,990
But don't worry, I'm very confident next year with the field done.

2397
03:16:51,510 --> 03:16:54,990
At Civic Park done, we will have a fireworks next year.

2398
03:16:55,610 --> 03:16:58,890
With that, we'll do council comments. We'll start with councilmember Chen.

2399
03:17:01,400 --> 03:17:02,380
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2400
03:17:02,380 --> 03:17:14,060
I just want the community to know that I really appreciate everybody's input in this process.

2401
03:17:15,000 --> 03:17:27,820
And as we celebrate the birth of our nation, remember that we all are here because of one

2402
03:17:27,820 --> 03:17:37,220
idea. One idea that we treasure of freedoms. And Fourth of July is a big

2403
03:17:37,220 --> 03:17:42,580
celebration and carry on with this spirit. Have a good night.

2404
03:17:44,060 --> 03:17:49,180
Councilor Buctions. I too want to say it was a great party at the Fourth of July.

2405
03:17:49,540 --> 03:17:55,560
Everyone had a good time. I do want to say that I was shocked to hear what

2406
03:17:55,560 --> 03:18:01,080
happened in Highland Park because I have been, I used to visit that place when I examined

2407
03:18:01,080 --> 03:18:08,200
in Chicago and it's unfortunate that shooters will shoot up a 4th of July parade, so it was

2408
03:18:08,200 --> 03:18:10,160
very, very saddening to me.

2409
03:18:10,860 --> 03:18:17,540
But I do want to say I do appreciate all the people that did contact me about the row

2410
03:18:17,540 --> 03:18:21,600
versus weight, and it is a very complicated issue, extremely complicated.

2411
03:18:21,600 --> 03:18:29,620
There's financial implications, there's, you know, the fact that there's, like I said,

2412
03:18:29,720 --> 03:18:34,660
there's issues relating to abortions that really deal with domestic violence or incest

2413
03:18:34,660 --> 03:18:37,560
or domination, things of that nature.

2414
03:18:37,740 --> 03:18:41,500
And I really appreciated everyone that wrote to me and I do take it to heart.

2415
03:18:41,600 --> 03:18:42,600
So thank you very much.

2416
03:18:44,080 --> 03:18:44,940
Councillor President.

2417
03:18:44,940 --> 03:18:52,800
I'd like to recognize the different times that different members of our society have

2418
03:18:52,800 --> 03:18:53,820
gotten their freedoms.

2419
03:18:54,260 --> 03:18:58,500
And I look forward to a day when we can really celebrate the Fourth of July as being freedom

2420
03:18:58,500 --> 03:19:01,940
for all of us and all of us appreciating all of us being free.

2421
03:19:03,740 --> 03:19:08,020
I do know that there were a fair amount of fireworks going off in spite of the ban.

2422
03:19:08,360 --> 03:19:13,300
I do hope that as a community that we'll embrace that more going forward, it's super

2423
03:19:13,300 --> 03:19:20,740
dangerous and a fire hazard. And lastly, I'd like to thank Director Fesser for being dressed

2424
03:19:20,740 --> 03:19:26,600
and ready to go for her professional entree tonight, Tim Tonite's meeting. She was still

2425
03:19:27,280 --> 03:19:32,480
in her professional garb and I appreciate her staying up to do this.

2426
03:19:33,940 --> 03:19:34,820
Councillor Payne.

2427
03:19:37,020 --> 03:19:40,840
Thank you. I just want to say thanks for the great celebration for the 4th of July.

2428
03:19:40,840 --> 03:19:44,440
It's a wonderful time. It's great to have the parade back.

2429
03:19:45,160 --> 03:19:48,260
And it's also great to have everybody join us down in town.

2430
03:19:48,620 --> 03:19:52,500
It did sound a bit like a war zone on the 4th of July.

2431
03:19:53,820 --> 03:20:00,540
And I would much prefer that we have a more silent sort of 4th of July celebration

2432
03:20:00,540 --> 03:20:09,060
and not all the booming and banging, particularly after all of the semi-automatic gunfire

2433
03:20:09,060 --> 03:20:15,120
that that community in just outside of Chicago Highland Park experienced during

2434
03:20:15,120 --> 03:20:17,580
their Independence Day parade.

2435
03:20:20,160 --> 03:20:23,220
There's got to be something better for people to do

2436
03:20:23,220 --> 03:20:32,420
and we need to get better hold on on how people can be treated for doing all

2437
03:20:32,420 --> 03:20:35,540
this stuff. Anyhow, thank you. That's it tonight.

2438
03:20:36,740 --> 03:20:43,420
Customer Laura Johnson. Thank you. I would like to thank everyone, everyone

2439
03:20:43,420 --> 03:20:51,260
who came out tonight who also emailed us to share their concerns, their fears and their

2440
03:20:51,260 --> 03:20:58,360
personal stories. This was not an easy topic for anyone tonight. And I appreciate those

2441
03:20:58,360 --> 03:21:05,460
who were willing to be vulnerable and to come out to share and to advocate for what they

2442
03:21:05,460 --> 03:21:06,040
believe is right.

2443
03:21:07,740 --> 03:21:16,000
I also want to share my feelings of deep sadness for the six that were shot and killed in

2444
03:21:16,000 --> 03:21:24,500
Highland Park at a parade that was celebrating the idea of freedom from an oppressive rule.

2445
03:21:24,500 --> 03:21:29,400
And I say the idea because we are not all free, but it

2446
03:21:32,530 --> 03:21:37,610
speaks volumes about the state of our

2447
03:21:37,610 --> 03:21:46,650
nation and the work that we have left to do when people can be shot and killed, mowed

2448
03:21:46,650 --> 03:21:49,390
down while celebrating freedom.

2449
03:21:50,170 --> 03:21:51,690
And we have a lot of work to do.

2450
03:21:52,810 --> 03:21:53,430
Thank you.

2451
03:21:53,570 --> 03:21:53,730
Good night.

2452
03:21:53,730 --> 03:22:02,970
Councilor Christiaan-Johnson. I'm no comment tonight. And with that, we are adjourned at 1029.