1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:07,440 Next up, reading of bylaws, civic center relocation, presented by our chief 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,960 administrative officer, Christine Beverage. Take it away. 3 00:00:12,559 --> 00:00:19,240 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. >> Good evening, Mayor and Council. 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,920 Tonight I have the opportunity to present a recommendation uh regarding 5 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:32,599 the future of the town's civic center and long long-term sustainability of 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,599 municipal service delivery in Edson. 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:40,000 The current facility has served this community for over nearly 70 years. It's 8 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:44,079 been a central part of local government and community life throughout that time. 9 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:47,360 administration has identified an opportunity that warrants council's 10 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:52,719 consideration as a part of its responsibility to manage municipal 11 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:56,960 assets in con uh along with uh plan for the community's needs. 12 00:00:55,199 --> 00:01:01,600 Significant capital investment is required regard regardless of the path 13 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:06,159 chosen. An opportunity exists to relocate into an existing downtown 14 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:11,600 building at a substantially lower cost than renovation or new construction. 15 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:16,640 Today's report outlines the rationale for the proposed relocation, the funding 16 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:20,799 strategy, the required borrowing bylaw process, along with future 17 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:27,960 considerations for the existing civic center property. Tonight, administration 18 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:27,960 seeks council's direction to proceed. 19 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:36,240 An independent engineering assessment completed in 2024 found that the 20 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:40,720 building requires significant investment to remain operational with nearly a 21 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:46,159 million dollars in a maintenance needs expected over the next 5 years and close 22 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:51,360 to 1.68 million over the next 20 just to maintain what exists. a facility 23 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:58,479 condition rating index of poor on the 5-year outlook deteriorating to critical 24 00:01:54,479 --> 00:02:04,799 over the 20-year horizon if life if life cycle work is deferred. No fire alarm, 25 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:09,360 no sprinkler system anticipated as best disabatement marginal architectural and 26 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:12,400 mechanical conditions overall were identified. 27 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:18,480 The building is generally not barrierfree compliant. This includes 28 00:02:14,959 --> 00:02:22,480 parking, entrances, interior circulation and washrooms. And bringing it to a 29 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:28,640 modern accessibility standard would require a major expenditure in order to 30 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:36,280 um elongate the use of this building that um as per the uh report has roughly 31 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:36,280 16 years left in its lifespan. 32 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:46,239 Key drivers for relocation facility design, limited and in 33 00:02:43,519 --> 00:02:51,280 ineffected ineffective uh space for employees, doubling up in offices, lack 34 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:55,120 of privacy with with limited soundproofing, lack of professional 35 00:02:53,200 --> 00:03:00,400 meeting space and limited space of meeting rooms. Accessibility. 36 00:02:58,239 --> 00:03:06,480 Significant concerns with the concurrent civic center is accessibility issues. 37 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:11,760 Deficiencies have been identified. Parking access, building entry, interior 38 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:16,480 circulation, wayfinding, and washroom facilities. While upgrades could be 39 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:20,480 undertaken, they would require a significant investment in bu in the in a 40 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:24,720 building approaching the end of its useful life. 41 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:29,120 Relocation provides an opportunity to ensure residents can can access 42 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:34,720 municipal services independently, safety, and with dignity. That also 43 00:03:31,519 --> 00:03:39,280 includes our employees as well. public partic participation and council 44 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:43,440 meetings. Council has experienced firsthand the limitations within the 45 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:47,280 council chambers. During high interest matters, attendance has exceeded 46 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:51,519 available capacity, resulting in residents gathering in hallways, in the 47 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:56,799 hallway, entryway, and even outside the building. Public participation is a 48 00:03:54,239 --> 00:04:02,000 cornerstone of local government. A relocated facility would provide 49 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:06,560 appropriate seating capacity, improved accessibility, better technology 50 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:11,120 integration, enhanced opportunities for community engagement. The proposed 51 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:14,239 facility would better support the expectations that residents have 52 00:04:12,799 --> 00:04:18,560 regarding access to their local government, 53 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:22,960 public engagement, and community growth. This the proposed location is not only 54 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:27,440 about municipal administration. An updated facility would provide improved 55 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:31,440 spaces for public meetings, community engagement sessions, stakeholder 56 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:35,840 meetings, and discussions with provincial and federal funding partners. 57 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:41,680 These spaces support economic development, partnership opportunities, 58 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:46,000 and the the plans for future growth. And the last but not least, asset 59 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:50,560 management. Continuing to invest in an aging constrained asset is not fiscally 60 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,919 responsible. Relocation to a suitable building 61 00:04:52,240 --> 00:05:00,120 addresses all five deficiencies simultaneously at a lower cost than 62 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,120 renovation or new construction. 63 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:09,280 A question administration expects is why this opportunity is uh being discussed 64 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:13,440 now. The condition of the existing civic center is not new information. As 65 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:18,080 mentioned an earlier as mentioned earlier a comprehensive facility life 66 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:22,560 cycle assessment was completed in 2024 and has been accessible since that time. 67 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:27,919 The condition of the current building has not been a secret. What maintain 68 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:34,000 remained confidential was with regards to the acquisition discussions. Public 69 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:37,759 disclosure of the building under cons consideration or negotiation uh 70 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:42,000 parameters prior to a decision could have affected the town's position. 71 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:46,080 Factors that make this the right moment to act 72 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:51,600 act strategically rather than reactively. Unavoidable capital costs. 73 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:55,600 Near-term expenditures on the existing building are unavoidable. Delay risk 74 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:00,479 spending on a facility that remains functional functionally deficient. 75 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:04,080 Reserves. The town has been proactive building reserves and creating a 76 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:08,800 strategic window to act from a position of fiscal strength. 77 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:13,680 The opportunity and this is an important one. A suitable building in the downtown 78 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:18,479 core is available, addressing accessibility, operations, and public 79 00:06:15,919 --> 00:06:21,479 engagement as a cost far below new construction. 80 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:30,560 The building selected for the proposed civic center relocation is located at 81 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:35,039 4937 first staff. The building offers a practical, cost-effective solution that 82 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:39,280 can accommodate current and future municipal needs while minimizing 83 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:44,080 renovation requirements. Some key highlights with regards to this 84 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:48,800 building. It's 27,054 uh square ft commercial office space 85 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:54,720 with ample space for municipal services. It holds 46 individual offices and 86 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:58,479 additional 24 workspaces. It holds two sizable meeting rooms with opportunities 87 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:03,759 for more. It's located on one 1.35 acre site in a 88 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:08,560 prominent downtown town location with main street exposure. It has 93 89 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:12,479 dedicated parking stalls with an additional with additional nearby 90 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:17,919 parking opportunities for residents, visitors, and staff. Originally, this 91 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:20,880 building was built in 1979. Since then, there's been major 92 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:28,720 renovations to this building completed in 199 1995 as well as 2013, including 93 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:32,319 updated HVAC systems. Doing due to ongoing improvements, the 94 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:37,680 building has an effective age of approximately 12 years and an estimated 95 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:41,599 remaining service life of 48 years. Constructed with a steel frame and 96 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:47,120 durable stucco, stone and metal exterior finishes. As I mentioned, it features 97 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:53,680 modern HVAC systems, fire suppression sprinklers, accessible 98 00:07:50,400 --> 00:08:00,720 design elements. It includes a large lobby and design and reception area 99 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:06,560 suitable for public facing services. It provides a space for council chambers 100 00:08:02,639 --> 00:08:12,080 and and and actually participants um that want to come in part uh review view 101 00:08:09,039 --> 00:08:17,440 uh the democratic uh um business that goes on in here. 102 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:22,319 This also uh includes multiple boardrooms and meeting rooms as 103 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:26,879 mentioned. Over uh overall it offers a combination of private offices and open 104 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:32,320 workspaces um equipped with a loading dock, shipping and receiving facilities 105 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:36,719 as well. It's zone C1 retail commercial allowing for a broad range of office and 106 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:42,640 commercial uses. Moderate re renovations are anticipated 107 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:46,959 helping to reduce the uh overall project costs and project timelines as well. 108 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:51,120 Overall, this property provides a well-maintained, centrallylo facility 109 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:54,640 with space, infrastructure, and longevity to support municipal 110 00:08:52,959 --> 00:08:58,760 operations and community services for decad decades to come. 111 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,959 To support a thorough and thoughtful evaluation of this recommendation, I'd 112 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:09,440 like to provide you with a rationale behind it. 113 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:14,480 Why renovation of the existing facility and construction of a new new facility 114 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:18,640 are not the recommended options. So administration carefully considered 115 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:24,160 renovation of the civic center. However, the life cycle assessment uh recommends 116 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:28,720 consideration of replacement due to building age, physical condition, 117 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:32,480 functional limitations and remaining lifespan. 118 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:37,120 Further investments would extend the life of the building, but it would not 119 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:40,000 resolve the underlying limitations. It's important to note that this building 120 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:44,880 also has went through multiple renovations throughout history. 121 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:50,240 Significant um renovations at this time would create operational dis disruption 122 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:54,160 and as well um temporary uh accommodation arrangements. 123 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:59,360 Administration does not consider renovation to be a viable solution. 124 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:03,200 Another evaluation completed was building new. Past council and 125 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:08,640 administration considered construction of a new municipal office facility more 126 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:14,160 than 15 years ago. At that time, the estimated project cost was approximately 127 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:18,399 8.75 million. Since then, construction's costs have increased substantially. 128 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:22,560 Recent municipal projects across Alberta demonstrate the co significant costs 129 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:26,560 associated with new civic uh construction. 130 00:10:24,079 --> 00:10:32,320 For example, town of Pinoa approved uh an 11.2 million borrowing bot to acquire 131 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:39,920 their civic center property in 2022. White court, our neighbors to the north, 132 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:44,079 uh construction contract uh was 54.3 million, noting there's additional 133 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:48,160 amenities of course with that facility, but more specifically just their 134 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:51,920 administration building alone was 11.7 million. 135 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:55,760 While while a purpose-built facility could be designed specifically for 136 00:10:53,600 --> 00:11:00,800 municipal operations, it would require considerably more capital investment and 137 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:04,320 a much longer implementation time. Administration believes that the 138 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:09,279 opportunity to acquire and renovate an an existing building provides a lower 139 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:12,920 cost, lower risk, reasonable and responsible solution. 140 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:21,920 The funding plan, the total project cost is estimated at 5 million 141 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:26,720 administration is recommending a balanced funding approach. 1.5 million 142 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:31,680 from reserves, 1 million from provincial grant funding, 2.5 million through a 143 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:36,959 debenture. This approach ensures that the project funded is funded through 144 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:41,120 municipal s multiple sources rather than debt alone. Council has intentionally 145 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:45,440 built a reserve over time to address major facility requirements such as 146 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:49,920 this. Boring through debentures is a common municipal financing tool that 147 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:53,880 allows long-term assets to be paid for over their useful life. 148 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:01,760 With regards to the debenture bylaw process, it's a legislative process 149 00:12:00,079 --> 00:12:06,880 required under the municipal government act. the steps. First rating. Following 150 00:12:04,959 --> 00:12:12,240 first rating, a notice must be advertised for two consecutive weeks. 151 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:18,079 Electors would have 15-day uh petition period that leads to August 18th. If no 152 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:21,760 si sufficient petition is received, council may proceed with the second and 153 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:26,480 third with second and third readings, which would put uh potentially to 154 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:31,360 September 1st. The bylaw then moves to the legislative waiting period before 155 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:36,240 becoming valid. that uh the final um opportunity there uh at the end would be 156 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:39,240 October 1st if the no valid petition is received. 157 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:49,360 Administration is not seeking a decision today regarding the future use of the 158 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:54,160 civic center property. Administration believes the discussion that discussion 159 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:58,720 deserves its own consideration. If the relocation proceeds, administration will 160 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:03,120 return with options that may include sale of the property, demolition and 161 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:06,959 redevelopment opportunities, or other alternatives identified through an 162 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:12,320 additional review. This approach allows council to cons consider the future of 163 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:18,279 the separate of the site separately with complete information in order to make a 164 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,279 datadriven decision. 165 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:27,680 It is recognized that this is a significant decision and a significant 166 00:13:25,519 --> 00:13:31,440 um investment. However, administration believes the town is at a point where 167 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:35,120 continued investment in an exist in this existing facility should be weighed 168 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:39,760 against more practical long-term solution. The proposed relocation 169 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:44,079 addresses accessibility, public participation, customer service, 170 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:49,519 operational efficiency, and asset management objectives in a way that this 171 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:53,519 current facility cannot. The opportunity represents the most fiscally responsible 172 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:58,000 option available at this time and recommends the council and I recommend 173 00:13:55,360 --> 00:14:01,839 that council proceed with relocate uh relocation initiative direct 174 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:06,399 administration to return with options for the existing civic senator property 175 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:11,760 and give first reading to the debenture bylaw. Thank you for your attention and 176 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:15,360 I'm happy to answer any questions. >> Thank you co beverage for your 177 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:19,519 presentation this evening. We will open the floor to questions and comments 178 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:23,079 before we take a motion from the floor. Who would like to begin? 179 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:30,639 Councelor Taylor. >> Yeah. Through the mayor to CEO Beverage. 180 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:37,440 Um thank you for the the detailed presentation here. Um my first sort of 181 00:14:34,079 --> 00:14:41,760 comment then question uh is regards to how the building is used. Now I 182 00:14:39,839 --> 00:14:46,959 participate in council chambers. This is the space that I use, but I don't I 183 00:14:44,079 --> 00:14:52,880 don't work here. I can comment on the challenges within this space uh that 184 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:57,279 that we have. Um for for anybody listening at home, the challenges within 185 00:14:54,560 --> 00:15:02,880 a council space that we have is um certainly we start off with the makeup 186 00:14:59,839 --> 00:15:07,920 of this table. Typically a council table is separated from an administration 187 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:13,120 table in most council chambers. Uh, we have a U-shape and I certainly sit 188 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:18,639 across from councelor Pishni and all great and everything. He's great to look 189 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:22,800 at, I'm sure, but most councils are sort of seated towards the gallery. Now, of 190 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:27,680 course, building a whole purchasing a new building just for that I can see is 191 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:32,000 is is maybe not reasonable. Uh but CL Beverage alluded to the fact and this is 192 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:37,040 the biggest concern and that is when we have uh contentious issues or or big 193 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:41,519 public hearings um members of the public want to come down and and participate in 194 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:45,040 the process and we've had a number of occasions like even just over the last 195 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:51,519 few months of this term and certainly last term we've had uh many people uh 196 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:56,880 come down and and I think of the rural renewal stream being perhaps one of the 197 00:15:53,759 --> 00:16:00,720 biggest ones. Um, we have only maybe a dozen chairs in here. They were all 198 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:05,440 filled up. And then after that, people have to sit in the lobby. And part of 199 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:09,759 coming down and watching council make these decisions is that when we make 200 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:15,199 these decisions, we have to look people in the eye when we're making these 201 00:16:11,839 --> 00:16:19,680 decisions. And that's a pretty um uh, you know, intense thing to do, right? uh 202 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:23,600 that you have to look sometimes people are angry or upset but we have to make 203 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:27,440 those decisions and we should make those decisions by looking people in the eye 204 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:31,440 but if you come down here and you're sitting out in the lobby you have to 205 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:34,480 watch on a TV screen and you're like well you might as well just stayed at 206 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:37,920 home and watched from there not only that you have to watch on about a 207 00:16:35,759 --> 00:16:42,560 15-second delay when you're out in the foyer and we've had scenarios I think in 208 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:47,199 that rural renewal stream we had people on co beverage mentioned this people 209 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:51,519 waiting outside and at that point then you might as well just a state at home. 210 00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:55,199 So, we want to encourage that participation in terms of those big 211 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:59,759 public hearings and contentious issues that people could come down and fill our 212 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:04,079 fill our council chambers so that we kind of have to stare at you and look at 213 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:07,760 you and make these difficult decisions. So, I tell of that sort of personal 214 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:12,240 story from a council perspective. So, I'm going to turn to CL Beverage and 215 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:16,240 talk about the staff that work here in this building and talk about some of the 216 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:21,520 personal stories and the challenges that the staff face within this building. And 217 00:17:18,959 --> 00:17:24,799 you alluded to some general uh uh challenges you have, but talk about some 218 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:29,120 specific stories or challenges, especially when it comes to meeting with 219 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:32,880 residents and accessibility needs. So, I open it up to to CL Beverage to talk 220 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:38,160 about some of those specific stories of challenges our staff faces. 221 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:42,880 Uh thank you through the mayor to councelor Taylor and all of council. Um 222 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:48,160 so I think that some of the you know some of the impactful stories of 223 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:54,799 sensitive situations wherein we operate a a cemetery and that's a great example 224 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:59,280 of where in currently um you know when residents are coming in to deal with 225 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:04,880 buying a plot and dealing with um you know fairly sensitive um you know time 226 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:08,000 in their life. we don't actually have a space for the individuals to actually 227 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:12,799 meet with people um with our administration. And so it's done in a 228 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:16,799 really awkward space as as far as in the front uh you know where other people are 229 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:20,640 walking through and this happens on a daily you know sometimes a daily basis 230 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:25,120 where you're walking through to get down the hallway and individuals are there um 231 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:30,000 you know sitting in a chair. We try to make it as as comfortable as possible. 232 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:34,640 Our our my administration does a great job of that. But it's that's those are 233 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:37,520 those hard things where you feel really, you know, comfortable as a staff member, 234 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:43,360 but I can't imagine what it feels like from a perspective of a resident. Um 235 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:49,440 just, you know, another example as well is that, you know, our um the ability 236 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:53,600 for our economic development officer, I'll I'll use that as one of our 237 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:58,480 examples. we have that individual um in the back corner um in an open space um 238 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:02,480 that is potentially dealing with hopefully some very exciting things for 239 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:06,080 our community and we don't have a space for that individual individual to have 240 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:11,520 those conversations on the phone to be talking to businesses without everyone 241 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:16,799 hearing. Um that's a common uh issue in this in this or uh building is that even 242 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:21,280 our walls are paper thin it feels like at times and we've done a lot to try to 243 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:25,760 mitigate that but it's still not conducive to um you know sensitive 244 00:19:23,919 --> 00:19:30,880 discussions that potentially are not to be shared um with others. HR is a great 245 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:37,280 example of that. We've done a lot there but it's still not ideal. Um, I would 246 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:42,000 say, you know, other examples are when we're interviewing, um, you know, trying 247 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:46,720 to recruit and get people to work with us. Um, when we're doing our interviews, 248 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:52,080 we're in a room that's about, um, you know, it fits probably four or five 249 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:57,039 people comfortably maybe. Um, but it's a really incredibly awkward space or we 250 00:19:54,000 --> 00:20:01,039 have to travel across town to, um, have uh, to the MP's office to do our 251 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:06,240 interviews there. Um and that's just things that we've done to help um you 252 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:09,600 know through that opportunity to um you know actually have a panel because 253 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:14,640 that's often what we do is we have more than you know two or three people um 254 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:21,679 involved in that interview process. Um those are you know some of those key 255 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:27,039 pieces um that jump out at me as far as those those you know qu you know stories 256 00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:30,400 that you're asking me. um you know as far as impact you know I think you 257 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:34,080 mentioned about chambers and it's something I you know I don't want to be 258 00:20:31,919 --> 00:20:37,840 lost you may or may not recall we had some drip you know water coming down 259 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:42,000 from the ceiling recently with regards to in our chambers and actually what 260 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:45,440 they did was actually funnel that to another area so it doesn't actually come 261 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:54,000 through here but it's going somewhere else just to be able to manage that 262 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:59,600 um you know um our HVAC system is is uh we we put off that project just based on 263 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:04,720 this this potential coming forward. But we're in a situation where, you know, 264 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:09,600 it's a fairly substantial um project for the town to undertake for this building, 265 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:14,320 but it's so inconsistent um with and we continuously have the contractors coming 266 00:21:11,679 --> 00:21:20,720 in to make this comfortable. It's either we're we're boiling or we're freezing. 267 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:24,400 There's no in between. I would say um you know staff you know we can't some 268 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:28,880 windows don't open like you know I'm getting very granular but it's the 269 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:35,440 reality of what our our teams our employees are working in and um you know 270 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:38,799 I think I could go on if you'd like to I can but I think that's probably gives 271 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:45,039 you a pretty good sense of you know kind of those highly sensitive um areas in 272 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:50,880 which that uh you know we see as a big issue um and have seen as a quite a big 273 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:54,720 issue over Councelor Wilson Lair. 274 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:59,360 » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh through the mayor to CEO Beverage, um and the rest 275 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:04,400 of council, I would like to make some comments. Um 276 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:10,159 I do want to acknowledge that our current civic center has served Edson 277 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:13,840 well for nearly 70 years. Um, supporting a relocation does not diminish that 278 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,280 history, but rightfully recognizes that our community and municipal operations 279 00:22:15,679 --> 00:22:22,000 have simply outgrown what the building can reasonably provide. Staff are 280 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:26,880 working in cramped spaces, as your presentation has um been very thorough 281 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:33,039 and and um they're in constrained spaces. Um and as Mayor Zahara had 282 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:38,799 mentioned in his public uh statement um 283 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:44,320 that um people you know call uh closets have been renovated and um I know when I 284 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:50,000 toured the building or came into the building um for this term um when they 285 00:22:47,919 --> 00:22:53,440 were speaking of an intern coming in I I did ask the question well where are we 286 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:58,400 where would we put that person? It's very obvious. So, um, what stands out to 287 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:03,039 me is that the question is not whether investment is required. It is where that 288 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:07,280 investment will provide the greatest long-term value. Spending significant 289 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:11,280 dollars to maintain the current facility still does not address its underlying 290 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:15,919 accessibility, space, and functional limitations. This opportunity allows us 291 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:20,000 to invest in an existing downtown building that can better serve our res 292 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:26,080 residents, staff, and community well into the future at considerably less 293 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:31,760 cost than building new and uh and taking on that delayed risk of construction 294 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:35,520 costs and things like that. Um, I also wanted to I just wanted to 295 00:23:33,679 --> 00:23:39,520 mention uh before I ask my questions that I appreciate that the future of our 296 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:44,400 existing civic center will be considered respectfully and separately at a later 297 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:48,000 time. After nearly 70 years of service to Edson, the building and its history 298 00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:51,840 deserves to be acknowledged while allowing council to carefully consider 299 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:57,039 all options and determine what ultimately makes the most sense for our 300 00:23:54,400 --> 00:24:00,880 community. I believe this re relocation is a responsible and forward-looking 301 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:06,159 investment and I am fully supportive of moving this process forward and allowing 302 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:12,799 the public process to proceed with that. I do have two questions um that are just 303 00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:16,320 uh out of due diligence. Um first uh has a comprehensive building 304 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:20,159 condition assessment been completed on the building uh we are proposing to 305 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:25,679 acquire and I know that's a pretty standard thing in any conveyancing um uh 306 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:29,279 deal. Um, but are there any significant or immediate long-term capital 307 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:33,919 requirements be beyond what is included in the $5 million project budget? And I 308 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:38,960 can add the second question if that's okay. Um, and the funding plan, just 309 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:43,919 from your presentation, I just wanted to ask it includes $1 million in provincial 310 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:48,320 grant funding. Is that funding confirmed? And I I don't think from the 311 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:52,480 presentation that it was uh noted as confirmed, but if not, what would the 312 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:56,000 funding strategy be if the town does not receive the full amount of that grant? 313 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:59,840 » Thank you very much. >> Cio Beverage. 314 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:04,799 » Uh thank you very much through councelor sorry mayor Zahara through to councelor 315 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:10,400 Wilson Leer. So your first question with was with regards to the 316 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:15,919 inspection. So that is a part of the due diligence and which we will be that's 317 00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:20,240 what what happens next. Um if this is approved and we move forward then um 318 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:26,000 that report would be provided to us and we'll we'll go through that and see um 319 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:32,000 what uh you know what things we need to address immediately. Um and the next 320 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:35,760 question with regards to the the grant that is what we intend to use is the 321 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:40,000 local government fiscal framework. So, it's it's a grant that we were received 322 00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:44,480 from the province. So, it's uh confirmed. 323 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:49,279 » Thank you, council chair. >> Uh through the mayor to administration. 324 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:55,360 Uh the first question probably to seal beverage. The second question maybe to 325 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:58,640 CFO McDonald's. Um first question is in terms of I know we're perhaps getting 326 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:05,279 ahead of us if we proceed to go ahead and and purchase this building and 327 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:08,400 proceed with the transition. Um uh uh although the the frequently asked 328 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:12,720 questions on the website does address this question, addresses lots of 329 00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:17,120 questions. Um uh would there be an interruption in service service levels 330 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:21,919 during the move? Uh obviously we're transport transferring over 40 employees 331 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:26,320 to a new space and we do a lot of work here. So just wondering about the 332 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:30,000 service level >> through the mayor to council Taylor. Uh 333 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:34,960 at this point in time it is fairly preliminary um where we're at in the 334 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:40,640 process. However, I can assure you that um you know just like with the um YC 335 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:45,679 multiplex project um minimizing program disruption is a is a key uh focus for us 336 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:50,400 and I think we understand the importance of ensuring that we serve the public in 337 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:55,039 the most effective manner. So this you know that would be a value that I would 338 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:59,279 have applied to this project. um essentially you know that's what we 339 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:04,000 would intend to do is to um whether we do it in stages etc that would be 340 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:09,279 something that is to be determined >> that's a great question thank you 341 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:12,880 » and a second question uh to CFO McDonald looking at the debenture amount I think 342 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:17,600 it was 2.5 million 2.5 million for the debenture um 343 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:22,159 what would the estimated cost of the taxpayer be based on the assessed value 344 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:26,880 of their property um house worth say 350,000 or 450,000 345 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:30,400 Um, I know we're still sort of early in the process and there's other things to 346 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:34,720 consider, but just what would the sort of the average taxpayer be looking at in 347 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:38,640 terms of this debenture and what they would cost the average taxpayer? 348 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:43,120 » Go ahead, CF McDonald. >> Thank you. Uh, through the mayor to 349 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:51,200 councelor Taylor. Um it's difficult to provide a definitive tax impact um um as 350 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:56,640 the debenture payments will form part of the overall 2027 budget process and will 351 00:27:54,320 --> 00:28:01,520 be considered alongside other revenue requirements such as assessment growth 352 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:07,919 grants and operating capital budget adjustments. So if I was to take the 353 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:14,640 debenture payment in isolation alone um a assessment of um in order to do to 354 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:20,720 calculate uh 1% increase in the municipal mill 355 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:29,760 rate a residential property at 350,000 would pay $2 per month and a residential 356 00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:33,679 uh property at 450,000 would pay $2.60 per month. Um, these figures are 357 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:38,480 intended just to provide a general indication though and and will be still 358 00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:43,279 part of the whole the whole budget process for 2027. 359 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,120 » You're welcome. >> Thank you, CFO McDonald. Go ahead, 360 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,480 Councelor ShraMM. >> Yeah, to the chair board, to all of 361 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:54,320 council, administration, and the general public listening. Uh, not really a 362 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:57,520 question more, just of a comment. Um, this building, like I say, councelor 363 00:28:56,159 --> 00:29:01,520 Wilson Leard already said, has served this community very well for a very long 364 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:05,679 time. Um, but we've outgrown it. That's the reality. Uh, as a community, we've 365 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:09,440 outgrown this facility. Um, and I think this is just a great opportunity and 366 00:29:07,919 --> 00:29:15,039 opportunities are our only opportunities if you take advantage of opportunities. 367 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:20,159 Um, for the community to really look at another facility for a very reasonable 368 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:24,720 cost. Um, we've seen the numbers already for building new. We've seen the numbers 369 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:27,840 for renovations of this facility. Um, and that's why I kind of supporting this 370 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:31,520 relocation to this building and purchase. it just makes a lot of sense. 371 00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:35,679 Uh it's a building that will serve this community for a very long time moving 372 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:39,520 forward. Uh with some renovations, there's no doubt. Um but that's already 373 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:44,480 incorporated mostly into that $5 million budget. Uh I think we would be remiss in 374 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:48,159 not taking advantage of this opportunity. Um, and that's why I really 375 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,200 support this move and I think it thank administration for the work done in 376 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:55,919 looking at the building, making sure it's going to meet our needs, which I 377 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:59,440 think it will very much so, and allowing our community to move forward in a 378 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:05,520 positive way. >> Thank you, Councelor ShraMM. 379 00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:09,200 Anybody else want to make any comments? >> Councelor Pichnney. 380 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:13,840 » Yeah, through the mayor to council. uh we needed one 16 years ago, so I 100% 381 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:19,200 support this decision and I can't see a more economical way of doing it. Um and 382 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,880 it costs like the cost savings are are are 383 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:26,880 it's a great it's a great plan. Um and the savings alone are make it a lot more 384 00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:30,399 worth it if you can just consider that 16 years ago it was going to be 8.7 385 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:34,640 million and that building today probably be 15 or$20 million to build that same 386 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:38,320 building. So um I definitely support this project and and going forward with 387 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,520 this. Councelor Taylor, 388 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:47,120 » uh through the mayor to to council administration and and and everybody 389 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:51,440 watching. Um when we look at a a a relocation or or purchasing a new 390 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:55,840 building for a civic building or or even renovating or building new, it's always 391 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:59,440 controversial because it becomes like we're spending $5 million here. Well, 392 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:03,120 why don't why don't you spend $5 million on roads? Why don't you spend $5 million 393 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:09,120 on more on the multiplex instead of this space? Well, as a council, we're asked 394 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:12,799 to make decisions on all elements of the town, not just roads and sewers and 395 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:18,399 things like that. And we must look at this space, too. We heard tonight um uh 396 00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:22,640 the work that has to be put into this building that must be put and that's 397 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:28,399 without a renovation to it. That is just to upkeep this this building and make 398 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:33,760 sure that it's a safe facility for our staff and our residents. Um, so anybody 399 00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:38,559 who says that do nothing to this space and we can stay here, that's not an 400 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:42,000 option. If we look at perhaps just staying here, uh, we then have to put in 401 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:45,840 a million dollars within the next few years. We have to put in 1.68 within the 402 00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:50,320 next 20 years. And then we're probably looking at a massive renovation to this 403 00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:53,840 space. And I like essentially you'd be looking at probably just gutting the 404 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:57,120 building and starting over again. Uh, and I want to just be clear on this. We 405 00:31:55,519 --> 00:32:02,159 did that to a building here in town not too long ago. We did it to the library 406 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:06,399 and that was $3.7 million. That was only just a few years ago. Now we're we're 407 00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:12,159 100% going to be over well over $5 million if we want to look at staying 408 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:18,399 within this space. Um if we were to build new counci said it look just at 409 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:21,760 white court uh 11 almost $12 million just on that space if we want to build 410 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:27,039 new. Not to mention we have to find a space in town to do that. So, looking at 411 00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:31,440 this option here, we are probably getting the best bang for our buck. 412 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:36,000 We're getting a larger space. Yes, there will be some renovations. Um, but 413 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:40,320 there's added bonuses. And now, Cal Beverage has sort of announced the space 414 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:45,039 that we're looking at. Um, we're staying in the downtown core. And this council's 415 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:48,000 made a a commitment to to two things. And that is one and that is 416 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:51,760 beautifification and looking at beautifification and development of our 417 00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:56,559 main street. and we're committed to doing that by taking on a space in the 418 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,679 sort of the bottom of Main Street and building off from that. So, we're 419 00:32:57,679 --> 00:33:03,679 investing dollars into that building into the surrounding space to to 420 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:08,080 beautify that community. And the second thing this council's committed to is 421 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:11,760 economic development. You put public dollars into something, private dollars 422 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:16,159 are going to follow. You put 40 plus employees down in a space down there, 423 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:20,880 then there's businesses that will become a part of that community, want to be 424 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:25,679 down there, right? close to those 40 plus employees that are now within 425 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:30,880 walking distance. So, I see those as as as certainly being benefits to to going 426 00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:34,799 to this going in this direction. Um, supportive of the motion that's that's 427 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:38,880 proposed on our agenda and proceeding with this project. And finally, I say if 428 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,840 people do have questions, they can always reach out to members of council 429 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:46,159 and I encourage people to read the frequently asked questions on the 430 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:50,720 website. A lot of your questions may be answered there and that will continue to 431 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:54,559 be updated even after tonight. Uh and if Mayor Zahara did a video last week, I 432 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:58,720 encourage you to watch that video. He releases some great information in there 433 00:33:56,559 --> 00:34:02,480 and some justification to to the route that we're taking. So those are my 434 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:07,120 comments. >> Thank you, Councelor Taylor. I guess my 435 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:12,639 turn to speak now. uh councelor position and I had the opportunity to be involved 436 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:16,240 in uh the project 16 years ago and it was disappointing that that project did 437 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:22,320 not move forward at that time. Uh and there were various reasons for that. The 438 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:25,760 needs have only increased. Uh since that time progressive councils and 439 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:29,359 administrations have struggled with making decisions regarding this 440 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:34,879 building. We've had ideas on how to beautify this 441 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:39,119 space, how to maybe do some modern renovations, and it's always been, do we 442 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:43,280 want to put money into a building we know that does not suit our needs 443 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:49,919 anymore? And we've kicked that can down the road term after term after term. We 444 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:55,040 have an incredible and councelor ShraMM an incredible opportunity. Uh the 445 00:34:52,240 --> 00:35:00,079 building that is located on 1 Avenue uh was vacated just over a year ago. Um, 446 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:05,920 it's gone undergone massive renovations. Uh, it is uh state-of-the-art, if I 447 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:11,119 could say, compared to this building. Um, with with the spaces, it's secure. 448 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,400 Uh, there's safety concerns in this building. And CO Beverage mentioned, we 449 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:19,599 don't have sprinkler systems, no fire alarms. Uh, we've had some security 450 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:25,200 incidences in the past. Um, you know, behind us here is a closed off area and 451 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:30,160 we had to close it off due to uh people just walking back there and you know uh 452 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:35,280 we we had a situation here uh in this building uh and staff are stuck. There's 453 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:41,200 no way to get out the other side. Um luckily uh that didn't turn into 454 00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:45,040 something more serious. Um we have uh staff sharing offices. We have, you 455 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,280 know, you talk about economic development, you talk about uh trying to 456 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:52,960 showcase your community and you're talking to government ministers, 457 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:59,119 presidents of companies. Uh we had Midwest Pipelines in here and and the 458 00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:07,280 TMX and you're cramping into these embarrassing meeting spaces. And there 459 00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:11,119 is something to be said about um what it looks like when you're coming into a 460 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:16,720 building that looks like it's ready to see it's way past its best before date. 461 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:21,440 Uh so and if if the municipality isn't willing to invest, then why would a 462 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:26,880 company invest in the community? Uh this building is vacant, it'll be fantastic 463 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:31,920 to have that building filled once again. um to have our employees in the downtown 464 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:35,520 uh to reinvest in the downtown and opportunities for the existing space 465 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:40,240 council to make that decision down the road. You're not going to get a better 466 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:45,440 value than what we have here today. So, um I do appreciate the staff uh for 467 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:48,800 taking the time to uh do a thorough review of this. Um this was not really 468 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:53,520 something that we were planning on doing, but an opportunity presented 469 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:56,480 itself and so uh I'm fully in support. Um, I have to say I'm a little 470 00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:01,520 disappointed we don't have more members of the public here tonight uh to to be a 471 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:05,040 part of this. Uh, but I think uh, you know, seeing some of the commentary, I 472 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:10,160 think most residents do realize it's the time has come that a decision needs to 473 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:16,880 be made. So, um, I look forward to to making this process move forward. Um, so 474 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:22,160 with that, um, I will, um, just have one question for administration. Um what 475 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:26,400 type of timeline are we looking at in terms of 476 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:31,040 um say if everything goes according to plan uh when would you expect um the 477 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:36,880 minor renovations uh to that building occur and anticipate uh starting to 478 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:43,760 transition to the new location? Um do you have any timelines in mind? 479 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:48,480 » Uh thank you Mr. Mayor. That is the question. Um, essentially at this stage, 480 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:54,480 um, with the information that I have at this moment, I'd be probably shooting 481 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:58,720 for Q2 of 2027. That would be I ideal, but that's with all the stars aligning 482 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:04,160 in which, um, at this point in time, I cannot commit to. So, I will reserve my 483 00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:08,320 um comments as far as giving you a confirmation, but that information will 484 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:12,480 be coming forward to council as things progress through our due diligence 485 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:16,720 uh, section of of what we're doing with this acquisition. Um, but that's that's 486 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:20,640 the ideal state what I would like to see. 487 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:24,000 » Excellent. Thank you very much, council. I'll take a motion from the floor, 488 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,320 please. And we do have a motion that is slightly different than what's in your 489 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:29,839 package, so you can read it off the screen there. 490 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,560 » Go ahead, councelor ShraMM. >> I move that council direct 491 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:38,000 administration to proceed with the proposed civic center relocation project 492 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:42,320 for $5 million excluding GST. >> Thank you. Any questions, comments, or 493 00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:47,599 concerns? Seeing none, all those in favor? That 494 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:52,400 motion is carried unanimously. Can I get the next motion, please? Go ahead, 495 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:56,079 Councelor Taylor. I move the council direct administration 496 00:38:54,320 --> 00:39:00,000 to return to council with a report outlining options for the future of the 497 00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:03,760 existing civic center property, including but not limited to the sale of 498 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:09,440 the property in its current condition, demolition, and redevelopment 499 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:12,560 opportunities, and associated costs. >> Thank you. Any questions, comments, 500 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:16,800 concerns? Seeing none, all those in favor? That 501 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,920 motion is carried unanimously. And can I get the third motion, please? Councelor 502 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:24,800 Pitchney, >> I move that council give first reading 503 00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:28,800 to by line number 2340. >> Thank you. Any questions, comments, or 504 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:33,760 concerns? Seeing none, all those in favor? That 505 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,400 motion is carried unanimously. Thank you everyone.