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For January, I will note that we do have a quorum present, and I thank my fellow commissioners for attending this evening.

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With that, we'll go ahead and have a roll call.

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Chairman Hayes.

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Here.

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Commissioner Wolfman.

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Here.

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Commissioner McEw.

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Here.

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Commissioner Myers.

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Here.

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Commissioner Sproul.

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Here.

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Commissioner Gromo.

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Here.

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Commissioners, did I get everyone?

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Commissioners Teeth, Local, and Gosinar absent.

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If a good stand for a Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for

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which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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All right.

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Looks like we have four items on our agenda.

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We'll look over the minutes.

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We've got one preliminary final plot, two public hearings, and then there's a couple

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discussion items as well.

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Well, first item on the agenda is to review our minutes

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from our December 9th, 2025 meeting.

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I will trust that all the commissioners

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have had a chance to look at those

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and I'll entertain any corrections or comments

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in regards to those.

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Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion

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to approve those minutes as presented.

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So moved.

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Got a motion by Commissioner Wolfman.

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Also, go ahead Brian.

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I'll second.

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Second by Commissioner Myers.

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All those in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed to name sign?

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Motion carries.

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Next item got a perimeter and final plot for Goldenfield

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subdivision 3rd edition.

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Okay. So there's two subject to submission of the

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certificate of plotting mylar filing fee and recording fee and then acceptance of

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public improvements by the city?

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Is that it, Greg? Anybody have any questions for

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Greg in regards to that? Hearing none, I'll go ahead and entertain a motion to, in

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regards to this, from your final plat, including two subjectives,

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motion by

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Commissioner Wolfman. Second by Commissioner Grunlow. All those in favor

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signify by saying hi. Post same sign. Motion carries.

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Next time I'm on the

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agenda looks like it is a public hearing. So the recovery home text

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amendment article one definitions.

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So anybody present to testify in support of

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the petition? We do need to announce 5.1 the public hearing for the accessory

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building size height locations.

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Okay. Public hearing 5.1 the zoning ordinance

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text amendment referencing accessory building size height location set backs

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articles 4 through 12, 14, 17, 19, and 22 that public hearing for the accessory

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building tax amendment is postponed to a later date. The city makes that request

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to postpone it to a later date. The request is made by the city of

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afternoon. Will it be republished? Yes.

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Very good. Thank you, Greg. Now I'll go

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ahead and move on to the text amendment for the recovery home text

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amendment.

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Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but

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Go ahead and take a seat.

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Please state your full name for the record.

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Greg Kester.

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What is your place of employment?

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By the city since August of 94.

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What is your current position?

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City planner since August 2019.

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Could you give a brief description of your job duties?

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Zoning and subdivision ordinances,

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comprehensive plan, annexation,

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subdivision improvements, right-of-way utility permits,

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floodplain regulations,

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ADA compliance on public right-of-way.

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And you're familiar with the city of

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of Epineum zoning regulations?

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Yes, I am.

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And the requested text amendment relates to

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the city's zoning regulations, correct?

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That is correct.

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And those are contained in Appendix B

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of the municipal code, right?

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That is correct.

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Okay, go ahead and testify in a narrative fashion.

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Okay, this is a text amendment for recovery homes.

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The definition of community residents

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residents would be amended to include a recovery home under the same guidelines as the group

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homes or specialized residential care, removes the person whose primary reason for placement

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is substance and alcohol abuse, defines a small community residence as no more than

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six persons, a large community residence, which is between 7 and 15, and for the small community

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residents, they are allowed in an R1 and R2 up to, well, they would be allowed in all

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our districts, but the large community residences would only be allowed in R3C or R3D, which

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to our multifamily apartments.

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And it gives a definition of personal recovery.

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A lot of this information was taken from the Illinois Department

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of Public Health website.

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And then it includes, adds a definition of the recovery

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home, facility licensed by the Illinois Department

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of Human Services Division of Behavioral Health

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and CERT Recovery, alcohol and drug-free living

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environment for persons in recovery,

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from substance abuse for individuals who recently completed substance abuse treatment.

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At another licensed facility, the facility has rules, peer-led groups, staff activities,

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and or other structured operations directed toward ongoing recovery.

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So the reason why we're bringing this text to men for you is we have one recovery home

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in operation and the entity that is sponsoring them or supporting them or

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whatever are looking at other recovery homes and this would allow

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those and

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people in recovery from alcohol or substance abuse they are a protected

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class so you got to be careful with your zoning regulations just like the

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The folks living in the troop homes or specialized residential care with their disabilities, they

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are a protected class, so you got to, for lack of better terms, you got to treat them like

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everybody else, so that's why we're amending this, but still have some control over where

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they go.

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One of the things is, is you get into the actual zoning uses that they have to be

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There has to be 800 feet between two recovery homes.

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Relative to some of the statements you made, recovery facilities are governed by the Illinois

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Human Rights Act as well as some corresponding federal laws, correct?

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That is my understanding.

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And it prohibits discrimination based on disability.

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Is that your understanding?

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That is also my understanding.

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And with regard to that, it in addition as to prohibiting discrimination and also would require a reasonable accommodations for those with disability.

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Yes, that is key term reasonable accommodations.

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And as a result of the law and the protections provided by the law, the city has some limitations

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on prohibiting recovery or, excuse me, is limited in prohibiting recovery centers.

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Is that your understanding?

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That is also my understanding.

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And just to be clear, addiction is included as a disability within the optimal laws.

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Is that also your understanding?

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And that is also my understanding.

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As a result of those protections and the requirements

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to place reasonable accommodations,

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did the city look, did you, on behalf of the city,

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look to other comparable municipalities

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in determining appropriate possible zoning regulations

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related to recovery centers?

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Yes, I looked at other community zoning ordinances.

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as I also looked at some case law, lawsuits that had varying outcomes.

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Any questions by the public for Mr. Custer?

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This is questions only.

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Everybody has an opportunity to participate in the public hearing,

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but this is just questions for Mr. Greg Custer.

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Any questions by the public?

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Hearing none.

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Any questions by the plain commissioner for Mr. Custer?

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Yeah, I do.

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on this recovery home of no more than six people and you say it could be allowed

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in an R1 or R2 district. That's correct. So when someone wanted to build or to use

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this home for recovery home would that request come in front of the plan

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commission for that home or is it for the zoning board of appeals or the city

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either grants it or how does that go to work? If the use changes from single

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family residential to recovery home they would need to contact the

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Building Officials Office. The Building Officials Office would go in and

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to inspect the facility, make sure it's up to code for lodging and boarding use, and then

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make sure they have their licensure

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by the Department of Human Services Division of Bigger

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Health and Recovery, and they would be required to have a certificate of occupancy to operate

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as a recovery home. So it does not go before any, okay, the bank commission's

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on board of appeals for city council. You said there was an 800 foot setback, right?

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Can you expand on that a little bit? Well, if I see an 800 foot setback in an R1 or R2,

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I don't think it's ever going to be built. Well, no, it's not a setback.

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If I send setback, I'm just stating.

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No, no, I'm just trying to understand that.

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800 feet between two separate recovery homes.

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Recovery homes or the community homes?

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Correct.

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Because this is comparable to the existing ones.

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So you have a community home, and you have a recovery home

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that'd be 800 feet apart or a recovery home that'd be 800

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feet apart.

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I assume that the six persons for one house

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to try to record that they have had six bedrooms or six separate units to them and that.

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I know that's, you know, up to the building code for, or the code requirements for boarding

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or lodging.

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Now that's, I'll just draw the one with that a little bit myself.

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But it's up to six, correct?

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So I could have a facility with two people, is that correct?

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That is correct.

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Good point.

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So with these recovery homes, I know recovery homes are required for to be licensed by Illinois Department of Human Services.

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I would imagine that would also apply to the community residents noted above just making sure that clarification is noted.

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Well, the original text says group home specialized care, which is licensed certified or accredited by appropriate local state and national bodies.

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So that was the language that kind of covered the group home or whatever so we

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got specific with recovery homes as they it's the IDHS division of the behavioral health plus all the others.

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So for that those state or federal licensure requirements is there anything regarding

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like full-time on-site care or anything like that.

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I know like the, I am, I shouldn't say I know, but it's my understanding that the developmental homes and stuff like that, they have staff there.

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Now, I am not 100% sure for the recovery homes if they have staff there 24-7.

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But what we've seen of the one in operation, there is someone there 24-7. I'm not sure that it's required for them to be there 24-7.

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As far as alcohol or substance abuse, is there any security that those homes would invest

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in for the protection of the residents in the area?

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That would be up to them, if they thought it was not in the ordinance.

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Not in the ordinance. Not proposed in the ordinance.

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Again, we have to,

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city somewhat limited on what additional restrictions can be placed

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because of the requirement to meet reasonable accommodations.

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That is my understanding with reviewing the ordinances in other communities and the various

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case law that was pointed out to me by some folks.

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Special city attorneys and the attorneys representing some of these recovery homes.

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So I had one side's case law, and the other side's case law, and we're reading that, so.

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Any other questions for Mr. Custer?

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Hearing none.

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Thank you, sir.

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Anybody else present to provide any testimony?

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Anybody?

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Want to provide any testimony, either in support or opposition to the proposed text amendment?

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Hearing none.

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Would the planning commission like to hear any further testimony before I close the public hearing?

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No, I don't believe so.

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Okay, I'll close the public hearing for discussion once the board or planning commission.

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Any comments?

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It seems like Greg's done his homework.

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Try to.

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Reservations of being close to an R1 or R2 without something to add.

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Not security especially, but judgmental of that.

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I totally get it sounds like they have to treat him as neighbors basically put in 10 words or less.

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All right.

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I think it's pretty limited on what what are off the car here.

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Right.

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I would agree.

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All right.

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this recovery home text amendment for recommendation of the City Council to

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affirm it.

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Motion by Commissioner Woltman,

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second by Commissioner Meyers. All

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those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed same sign? Motion carries.

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All

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right next item on our agenda is another public hearing 5.3 text

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amendment in regards to Article 1.

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Is there anybody present to test my in support of the session?

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Or she proposed text amendment?

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Please come forward. I'll start you in.

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And just so everyone's aware, I'm going to ask him the same exact questions that I previously asked him.

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Unfortunately, every public hearing has to stand on its own, so be prepared for the same questions.

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Do you swear to the truth? The whole truth and nothing but the truth. So if you got it.

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I do.

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You state your full name for the record.

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Greg Pester.

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What is your place of employment?

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City of Effingham since August of 94.

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What is your current position?

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City Planner since August of 2019.

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Can you give a brief description of your job duties?

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Zoning and subdivision ordinances, comprehensive plan, annexations, subdivision improvements, right-of-way and utility permits, floodplain regulations, ADA compliance on public right-of-way.

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Are you familiar with the City of Effingham zoning regulations?

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That's contained in Appendix B of the Municipal Code.

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Yes, I am.

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And these text amendments relate to appendix B amendments to article one.

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Is that accurate?

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That is correct.

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Okay, go ahead and testify in an error fashion.

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Okay, so article one is our definitions for the zoning ordinance.

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And they are set up in our current ordinance numbered.

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So whenever we add, delete, or amend, you

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add them to the end.

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They get out of order or it's harder to find them.

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So what this amendment does is arrange them alphabetically.

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And then there are some changes to the text amendment.

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I hope everybody had a chance to look at it.

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So the blue underlined is add.

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The red strike through is delete.

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And the green is relocated or removed

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to make it alphabetically.

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So starting off, dive right into it, our zoning ordinance currently does not have a definition for agricultural, agriculture, and use.

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So I done as I always do is I look at other zoning ordinances, even looked on the Illinois Department of Ag,

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just part of ag and came up with this definition, which is the growing, harvesting, and storing

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of crops, including legumes, hay, grain, fruit, and truck or vegetable crops, flora culture,

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horticulture, mushroom growing, orchards, and forestry. Farm buildings used for growing,

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harvesting, and preparing crop products for market or for use on the farm. And farm

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Farm dwellings are also included.

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The keeping, raising, and feeding of livestock or poultry, including dairy, poultry, swine,

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beef, cattle, pony, and horse production, fur farms and fish and wildlife farms, farm

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buildings for storing and protecting farm machinery and equipment from the elements,

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for housing livestock or poultry, and for use on the farm.

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Our general agricultural includes all types of agricultural operations but does not include

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industrial operations such as grain elevator, canning, or slaughterhouse where an agriculture

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products produced primarily by others are stored or processed.

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So then we have some moving around and then going through the one thing I need to note

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is on the third page community residence, the 116 should be striked out, and the community

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residence does include the recovery home text from the previous public hearing, so it adds

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the recovery home and includes those amendments, and then adds the paragraph D, person in recovery,

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does strike out the person whose primary reason replacement is substance or alcohol abuse.

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Next page, towards the bottom day care center, that was deleted because the pretty much the

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same definition is under child care institution,

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which if you backed up to the previous second

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page I think that's where child care institution ended up.

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Yep, so green in the middle of the

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page is where child care institution is. And then continuing on to

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type these. Motel, I just said

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C, Motel, Motel or Motor Hotel, just a little clean up there. Did add us at a definition for set

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setback the distance between the law or personal lines in a building, accessory building or

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other structure. The setback shall be measured from the outermost projection unless otherwise

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provided. And

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that's about it.

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Changes to our definitions.

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Any questions? Anything else you want to add, Greg?

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Not this time.

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Any questions by the public for Greg? Hearing none. Any questions by the point question

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for Greg?

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I don't believe so.

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Hearing none. Thank you.

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Anybody else present that wants to either test,

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fight, and support our opposition to the definitions?

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Please come forward, I'll start right here.

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You sort of tell the truth, the whole truth,

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and nothing but the truth, so I'll be good.

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Okay, go ahead and take a seat.

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Please state your full name for the record.

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Jean Ann Hyland.

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Go ahead and testify in a narrative fashion.

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Good evening and thank you for the opportunity to speak.

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As I've said, my name is Jean Ann Hyland.

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My husband, Paul and I live in the city limits and an area that reflects how development and annexation have historically occurred in Effingham and an example of successful annexation for residential development.

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Our neighborhood was annexed in the early 2000s for the purpose of building middle income residential homes and we are directly affected by zoning regulations in the surrounding buffer or non-urban districts.

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districts. Because of that proximity, zoning definitions and permitted uses in those districts

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are not abstract policy matters for us. They have very real and direct impacts on our homes,

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our property values, and our quality of life.

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To give some background and context, I was prepared this evening to speak in detail

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about the very concerning language that was introduced at the January 6th City Council

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meeting related to the proposed accessory building text amendment.

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At my request, and for which I am grateful, this is city proposed

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poem the public hearing so that residents would have more time to

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understand and respond to the proposal. However, what has

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continued forward this evening is the introduction of new and

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extensive definition language related to agriculture and

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agriculture use, which is now before you for consideration.

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This definition language is not isolated.

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It is highly relevant to and in practical terms intertwined with the concerns raised by the accessory building amendment that has been postponed in item 5.1.

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A core concern that I have, this is fragment and review of interrelated changes.

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My request to you this evening is based on process, transparency and fairness.

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You are being asked to consider and potentially recommend adoption of new definition language

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without being able to evaluate it in the full regulatory context in which it is intended

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to operate.

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Specifically, the new agriculture definition appears to support or enable uses that are

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directly related to what was proposed in the Accessory Building Amendment and would

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replace the current definition titled farming and truck garden. Yet that companion amendment

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is not before you, is not part of this agenda and is not available for public review at

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this time. This creates a fragmented decision making process where significant zoning changes

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are evaluated piecemeal rather than as a coordinated policy package.

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Why does this

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to submit that it is not fair to the commission, this body, to be asked to make a recommendation on partial information.

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It is not fair to the city council to receive a recommendation when the commission has not had the opportunity to review the full scope and

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intent of the related zoning language changes.

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And it is not fair to residents to evaluate one part of the proposal when the related provisions that give it practical meaning are postponed and unavailable.

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Good planning depends on understanding cumulative impacts, not isolated changes.

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That's my request to the Commission.

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Therefore, I respectfully ask that the Commission consider one of the following actions.

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Please do not recommend adoption of the new agriculture and agricultural use portion or definition at this time.

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Or please postpone consideration of this definition until it can be reviewed together with the accessory building text amendment and any other related zoning provisions.

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Considering these items together will allow for more informed deliberation by this body, greater transparency for the public, and better policy outcomes for the city as a whole.

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In closing, my request is not about opposing agriculture or responsible development.

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It is about ensuring

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Hearing that zoning changes, especially those affecting residential neighborhoods near

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buffer zones, are reviewed thoughtfully, transparently, and in full context. I appreciate your service

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to the community and your careful consideration of responsibilities you carry in making recommendations

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that shape how our city grows. Thank you very much for your time and attention this evening.

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Any questions by the public? Hold on just a second, I'm sorry.

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Any questions by the public for Ms. Highland? Hearing none.

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Any questions by the planning commission for Ms. Highland?

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I have one, I think.

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Thank you for your commentary. It's very well structured.

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A couple of inch on that. Is there anything particular in the definition of agriculture in Houston

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that is a problem that is misworded or is there anything that we're looking at tonight

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in this request that you have a problem with, I guess?

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The issue is if you look at the current language of farming and truck gardening, that current

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language merely states, farming and truck gardening provided that any structure or

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enclosure for the shelter of livestock or poultry shall be located not less than 100 feet from any

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excuse me from any street or lot line provided further that such use is not prohibited by other ordinances of the city.

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That's it.

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That is the definition and then when you look at this proposed definition and of all the items that are listed here

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taken in context with what was proposed at the city council meeting and

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the great expansion of what would be allowed for buildings and

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animals of all of these kind here right up to city property.

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That's my concern.

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And it's my concern, how do you consider this definition that is so

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broadly and intertwined with the text that we asked to be postponed tonight.

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We were informed that this issue would be postponed.

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Thank you for postponing 5-1.

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But proceeding with the definition and splitting these two is not transparent to the public.

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It's not fair to you.

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And I don't think it allows you to understand the full context of the reason why it was recommended to change the definition of farming and truck gardening

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and greatly expand it to this agriculture and agricultural use.

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The only place that this language on the 5.1 accessory in building was made public.

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It was posted in the newspaper via a link.

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The language was not included in the newspaper.

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A person had to look online or a person had to come into this building.

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I was at this meeting on January 6th when this was presented to the City Council with the summary of what was in the accessory building text amendment.

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several people in the audience did not understand and could not understand what Mr. Custer was talking about.

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This is a complex issue affecting the zoning of how many people, if you think about the residential developments,

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how many people in our community are affected by a buffer zone.

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If you think about where does we say quality of homes and adding quality affordable homes is the key goal,

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where does most development happen?

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It happens on the edge of town, property is annexed into town and those people would be affected by the proposed language in the Accessory Building Text Amendment that's been postponed for tonight.

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Why proceed with the definition that is so interrelated to all of that language?

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That is not transparent. I work at Lakeland College. I am subject to the Open Meetings Act. I know what that means.

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This is not being transparent to our community and to residents to understand what is going on.

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I have no problem with any of the other definitions in the text if you want to recommend, take action on that,

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but I respectfully ask you to either postpone or withhold any decision making until you have the full context of why

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or proposing such a dramatic change as you move forward with the definition section.

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Any other questions from Ms. Highland?

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There was a hundred foot setback and the old one there's not in this one, is that what I understand?

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Correct. Not with anything that has a structure or a roof, as Mr. Custer said,

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but you could have a structure 100 feet away with the roof and a fence

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fence and then any kind of animals could come up right to your property within that.

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So you imagine you've got a development, you've got someone that puts something, even it just

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has to have a roof, and then they inflows the fence coming right up to your property.

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Now I also understand since I've requested this, I've called attention, frankly I spent

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last week trying to educate City Council members on what this meant in the Accessory

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building amendment and helping people understand what this impact would be.

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Not just in my neighborhood but anywhere in the Effingham area affected by a buffer zone.

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So it is, Mr. Custer has communicated with us last, as of last Thursday or Friday.

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He was proposing additional changes to this and has assured us that he would not bring

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this back to a public hearing without informing us of changes. How is that fair to the public?

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How is that fair to the city council? How is that fair to you as a public body? This

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is a profound, profound change in our zoning regulations that is not having a thoughtful

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discussion with leadership, with the city council, from my understanding, this needs to have much more informed thoughtful discussion.

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Maybe there are issues that need to be addressed, but I don't think this process is the way of doing it.

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Anything further?

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Any other questions?

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Thank you ma'am.

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Anybody else present to testify in support or opposition?

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Hearing

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none,

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Mr. Custer,

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do you understand that you're still under oath?

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The city would like the definition of agricultural and use to be withdrawn from the text amendment at this time.

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So as this is highly stated, we can look into this a little further and how it ties into accessory buildings and the rest of the zoning ordinance.

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I bring them back as a package deal sometime in the near future after we've had, as she says, more open discussion on it.

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Do you want all of them or do you want the entire text amendment brought back or would you like to just take out the one definition and allow the remaining text amendment?

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take the one definition out, the agriculture and use definition out of the proposed text

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amendment and leave the structure of the remaining alphabetically and in the few changes

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we've made.

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That's what you're requesting?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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On behalf of the city?

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On behalf of the city.

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Any questions by the Plaint Commission?

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I don't believe so.

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And I do want to add, we do need to really look at this because right now we currently,

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the way it's written is exactly as Mrs. Highland stated.

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You can put a shed up and have critters, animals, livestock, what have you.

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Within that hundred feet between the building can find to say a pen or a stockade or something like that.

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And that's that's not good policy so we are looking at the definitions being you

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know a corral or stockade a pin a coop stuff like that subject to that's just

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an idea that we're looking at as an idea of being subject to the hundred foot

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setback. Well are you saying that the current regulations allow that already

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right now. More or less yes. Okay and the concern is that in the enclosure of that

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setback requirement. And then as she brought up the accessory building text

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amendment that really didn't address that issue and it needs to. Okay so the

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current regulations allow it the proposed text amendment regarding

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starting accessory buildings, didn't clarify it to address the concerns of the public?

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It didn't really address it, so.

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Okay, so you're saying you'd like to address that issue of what's already currently allowed?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Anything, any questions by the plan, did you have anything else you wanted to have?

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I'll better be quiet now.

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Okay.

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Any questions by the plan commission for Mr. Custer?

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I don't believe so.

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Hold on just a second.

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Sorry.

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Hold on just a second.

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I just wanted to ask as you-

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Hold on just a second.

476
00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:29,880
Hold on just a second. Let me finish with the Plain Commission and I'm going to, because I didn't get to any questions, any questions about the Plain Commission for Mr. Custer?

477
00:40:30,140 --> 00:40:31,360
No, I don't. Do you have one, Ken?

478
00:40:31,540 --> 00:40:46,360
Yeah, I'm just trying to understand it. So this text amendment, we're basically cutting in half. We're going to try to approve one half of it and leave and re-send this back to re-look at this form.

479
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,500
my ag because we're missing a lot of members tonight and well I'm just

480
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:57,420
talking to you if you take if you take the agriculture and use new definitions

481
00:40:57,420 --> 00:41:03,020
out of that a lot of it's you know the recovery home additions and just the

482
00:41:03,020 --> 00:41:10,740
alphabetical cleanup so yes that that gives us the opportunity to address

483
00:41:10,740 --> 00:41:11,060
Yes, our

484
00:41:13,170 --> 00:41:22,690
format of our definitions in Article 1 and gives us time and effort to really look

485
00:41:22,690 --> 00:41:27,570
at the agriculture and use definition and how it plays in with the rest of the zoning

486
00:41:27,570 --> 00:41:27,970
ordinance.

487
00:41:28,590 --> 00:41:32,730
Can you have some kind of public hearing before it ever comes back to the fine commission

488
00:41:32,730 --> 00:41:40,610
that you could involve the public or a group from the city to listen to the, okay.

489
00:41:40,610 --> 00:41:47,310
what you know what we can do is we can have it as a discussion item before the

490
00:41:47,310 --> 00:41:51,450
plan Commission we have a discussion item before the City Council meeting we

491
00:41:51,450 --> 00:41:56,630
can have an open house meeting on us on an evening or Saturday morning to go

492
00:41:56,630 --> 00:42:02,410
over whatever we come up with in the future the discussion like and I'm

493
00:42:02,410 --> 00:42:05,350
speaking out of turn here but like with discussion come up with some good

494
00:42:05,350 --> 00:42:11,850
items or some of the points to help. I mean, there's been some good, yeah, good testimony

495
00:42:11,850 --> 00:42:15,670
here tonight, so. On behalf of Greg, I do want to mention that

496
00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:24,550
we used to not bring up in front of the City Council. They used to, the process was it

497
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:29,510
came straight to the Plain Commission for proposed text amendment that was always published

498
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:34,290
and notice given, but it came straight to the Plain Commission. Lately in the last

499
00:42:34,290 --> 00:42:38,490
couple years Greg has been mentioning it as a discussion on him and that's how

500
00:42:38,490 --> 00:42:44,150
some of the members of the public became aware of it. Now I always recommend that

501
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:50,170
the public be involved in the governance and check the agendas and

502
00:42:50,970 --> 00:42:56,750
participate at meetings. At least we're you know watch it online whether it's

503
00:42:56,750 --> 00:43:04,790
now live or I, you know, you can go back, I don't know how many years and look at the

504
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:13,550
videos, but Greg has been in the last couple of years bringing the proposed text amendments

505
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:20,130
to the city council for a discussion item before they even come to the Planned Commission

506
00:43:20,910 --> 00:43:29,610
to get a feel and to try to attempt to get it out to the public before it comes as a public hearing.

507
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:34,490
So, I agree, but I did want to mention that. He's been making...

508
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:35,610
Yeah, I don't know if I'm making anything negative about it.

509
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:41,270
Right. Any questions by the Planning Commission for a Greg? Hearing none.

510
00:43:41,590 --> 00:43:43,690
Any questions by the public? Ms. Highland?

511
00:43:43,690 --> 00:43:50,710
Thank you for withdrawing my request, is that as you go forward thinking about policy change

512
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:57,250
for the Accessory Text Amendment, please think what is to the benefit of the taxpayers living

513
00:43:57,250 --> 00:44:03,130
in city limits, because as it was currently written and proposed at the January 6th meeting,

514
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:07,950
my interpretation along with several people that I've talked to, their interpretation,

515
00:44:07,950 --> 00:44:14,790
If benefited, people living in the buffer zone who do not live in the city limits and pay the city taxes.

516
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:19,150
Please think about the tax paying citizens when you consider-

517
00:44:19,150 --> 00:44:22,090
Question, question only for this.

518
00:44:22,310 --> 00:44:23,250
Please consider that.

519
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:23,870
Absolutely.

520
00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:24,790
All right.

521
00:44:25,090 --> 00:44:26,150
I'm not a lawyer though.

522
00:44:26,830 --> 00:44:27,310
Okay.

523
00:44:28,070 --> 00:44:31,350
And when, I'm going to ask you a question really quick even though you're not up here.

524
00:44:31,570 --> 00:44:36,730
When you say buffer zone, you mean the extra territorial outside of the city limits?

525
00:44:36,730 --> 00:44:47,570
So when Ms. Halen said buffer a lot several times, what she's referring to is that area of zoning,

526
00:44:48,350 --> 00:44:53,170
correct me if I'm wrong, that area of property that's outside the corporate limits,

527
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:59,570
but still within the zoning enforcement, which is one and a half miles for the most part,

528
00:44:59,570 --> 00:44:59,990
but not all.

529
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,900
It's always, it depends on some properties, but generally up to one and a half miles outside

530
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:10,620
of the city limits. The extra territorial, where they're subject to zoning and subdivision,

531
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:17,760
but nothing else as far as city regulations. Okay. Is that accurate?

532
00:45:20,490 --> 00:45:20,710
Sorry.

533
00:45:20,910 --> 00:45:21,550
Is that accurate?

534
00:45:21,970 --> 00:45:22,230
Yes.

535
00:45:22,490 --> 00:45:27,730
Okay. All right. Just for clarity so that everyone understands, because buffer can sometimes mean

536
00:45:27,730 --> 00:45:31,610
other things. So I just want to make sure that everyone understands where you're,

537
00:45:31,610 --> 00:45:32,950
what you're referring to.

538
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:36,330
As I spent the week trying to educate people on the proposed language,

539
00:45:36,850 --> 00:45:39,610
I felt like I was talking to people with...

540
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:43,310
Stringing headlights when I said non-urban.

541
00:45:43,850 --> 00:45:44,650
That didn't make sense.

542
00:45:44,830 --> 00:45:47,790
But when I said buffer zone, it clicked with people to understand

543
00:45:47,790 --> 00:45:51,170
that's property, the bus up to city property.

544
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:57,790
And it's meant to be a protection of buffer from living in the country

545
00:45:57,790 --> 00:45:58,670
on a farm girl.

546
00:45:58,670 --> 00:46:04,790
I grew up on a farm, I raised pigs, but there's a difference between living in the city and

547
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:09,910
having city property for a reason and living in the country, and the buff or some is just

548
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:10,250
that.

549
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:12,050
It protects you from the two.

550
00:46:14,010 --> 00:46:15,050
Anything further?

551
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:15,490
Greg?

552
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:23,630
So I am going to look at the agriculture and use definition, and one of the things

553
00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:28,250
that I've come across is hobby farm or something like that.

554
00:46:28,250 --> 00:46:33,770
So that definition that tends to cover like Celtics Dairy Farm across the airport,

555
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:39,490
Goldstein's Farm, Dairy Farm, or Reckon and Abbey, or even the grain farmers and stuff like that.

556
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:42,230
My dad lives on Dacey Avenue.

557
00:46:42,450 --> 00:46:45,310
He has a house, he has a shed, and he has two mules in a pasture.

558
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:47,750
That is not an agricultural farm.

559
00:46:47,950 --> 00:46:52,050
That is a hobby farm or whatever you want to, definition you want to call it.

560
00:46:52,930 --> 00:46:56,070
That property is not used for agricultural purposes,

561
00:46:56,070 --> 00:47:02,010
But he does have two mules he puts up to a wagon and goes around on a Sunday afternoon and gets his grandkids right.

562
00:47:02,530 --> 00:47:05,870
So that property is not in agricultural use.

563
00:47:06,370 --> 00:47:12,390
So just as the difference between football and

564
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:16,290
agricultural use and what's not agricultural use but may have critters.

565
00:47:16,650 --> 00:47:19,690
Are hobby farms allowed within the non-term industry?

566
00:47:20,350 --> 00:47:22,530
Well, that's a good question.

567
00:47:22,530 --> 00:47:29,110
And are you trying to make that happen to benefit people in the non-urban industry again, not sitting past the year?

568
00:47:29,470 --> 00:47:30,130
Not the intent.

569
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:32,830
The result would be that.

570
00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:36,130
Result would be that you've got age.

571
00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:37,250
Hold on, hold on.

572
00:47:37,290 --> 00:47:37,670
Sorry.

573
00:47:37,950 --> 00:47:38,510
Hold on, guys.

574
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:38,930
Sorry.

575
00:47:39,090 --> 00:47:42,150
She also has to take down, so we have to go one at a time.

576
00:47:42,490 --> 00:47:47,530
And I don't want to impact your ability to, but we need to stay controlled.

577
00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:51,410
It's questions only to Greg, okay?

578
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:55,150
And state your name and then a question.

579
00:47:55,450 --> 00:47:56,150
Okay, go ahead.

580
00:47:56,250 --> 00:48:01,730
The question is in this new definition, it's so much broader now

581
00:48:01,730 --> 00:48:07,230
because you've added A, you've added pigs and different things to this

582
00:48:07,230 --> 00:48:12,650
that make virtually anybody that has a hockey farm B

583
00:48:14,570 --> 00:48:20,790
I mean, it makes it very easy for somebody that has them again and stores they in it,

584
00:48:21,110 --> 00:48:22,110
it's now okay.

585
00:48:22,690 --> 00:48:28,050
My thinking is, if you're raising pay, that's a negative cost for use.

586
00:48:30,190 --> 00:48:36,270
If you've got a couple of meals for recreation, and yes, you do pay a little bit of your,

587
00:48:36,770 --> 00:48:41,510
a couple acres or something like that, that would not fall under a negative cost for use.

588
00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:47,970
Are you suggesting that you were wanting to look at potential differentiation between

589
00:48:47,970 --> 00:48:54,990
a hobby farm and agriculture use as part of your evaluation of how to differentiate?

590
00:48:55,630 --> 00:49:04,650
We do need to look at that, and we need to, you know, farm the farming communities all

591
00:49:04,650 --> 00:49:12,730
around this, but we also have those folks like my dad that has a house in the shed behind

592
00:49:12,730 --> 00:49:18,630
it and stalls in there for the critters and a small half acre, three-quarter acre pasture.

593
00:49:19,810 --> 00:49:23,850
That in my mind is not under that definition.

594
00:49:24,590 --> 00:49:34,780
So what definition do we use to define that and what regulations do we put on that?

595
00:49:34,780 --> 00:49:39,660
Is it still, you know, should my dad shed the 100 feet from properly?

596
00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:42,620
Yes, because it has houses critters.

597
00:49:43,060 --> 00:49:47,720
But does this pasture need to be 100 feet from properly?

598
00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:50,420
That's a question that we need to look at.

599
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:58,300
Now, if he has four cows out there in a small area of 200 by 200,

600
00:49:58,920 --> 00:49:59,980
that's not a pasture.

601
00:50:00,980 --> 00:50:01,700
That's a feet.

602
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:16,700
So, there's going to need to be more definitions in, like I said, a stockade, a feedlot, a chicken coop or a coop, a pen, you know, that's not pasture.

603
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:25,160
And then, even so much going so far as how many animals you can have in that pasture, animal units, defined by the partner back.

604
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:31,240
So, for example, the cow with one animal unit, the horse is actually two animal units.

605
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:33,960
So...

606
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,380
You have a question on that?

607
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:35,720
Okay.

608
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,040
Hold on just a second.

609
00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:39,020
Are you done with what you were saying?

610
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:39,260
Yeah, yeah.

611
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:39,600
Okay.

612
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:40,520
I just have a question on that.

613
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:41,100
Okay.

614
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:41,320
Go ahead.

615
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:46,320
In the definition it says four animal units per acre.

616
00:50:46,580 --> 00:50:50,520
I understand you're just saying there's different animal units for the size of the animal.

617
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:50,980
Yeah.

618
00:50:52,180 --> 00:51:00,300
But if you have a property next to the city that has 60 acres, how many animal units can they have?

619
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:12,040
Well, it depends on the animal. So 60 acres would be 60 cows, but is the entire 60 acres pasture?

620
00:51:13,740 --> 00:51:17,040
Can they have 60 cows, 60 pigs, 60 chickens?

621
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,740
know it's 60 cows or 30 horses.

622
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:30,320
So I mean that you know it's a good discussion and

623
00:51:32,460 --> 00:51:39,240
seems like I opened Pandora's box for a good reason. Not the Pandora's box in

624
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:44,280
this case is bad it's just it's bringing up some good discussion on what

625
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:51,430
But we need the, because I mean part of the conference of plan, the 2050 conference of plan is updating our zoning and

626
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:58,690
sub-concursions, and the zoning ordinances from 1989, so we need to look at it as a whole.

627
00:51:59,550 --> 00:52:07,210
And as Ms. Hyland stated in her testimony, what you do sometimes in one place really affects other places and

628
00:52:07,210 --> 00:52:10,190
you need to call over, bring them together in a congealed fashion.

629
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:18,130
Now, did you have a question?

630
00:52:20,130 --> 00:52:21,310
Any other questions by the public?

631
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:26,290
One final question. Was your dad on my road the other day

632
00:52:26,290 --> 00:52:30,510
and did you drop by and offer my children a ride on Cedon Pease or whatever they were?

633
00:52:30,530 --> 00:52:32,710
We'll need you a ride sometimes. Ridiculous.

634
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:38,490
So this has nothing to do with anything, but in April

635
00:52:38,490 --> 00:52:42,310
they have a bunch of other guys get together and they take a ride and they go down

636
00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:44,550
to B&B campground in Shawnee.

637
00:52:44,610 --> 00:52:46,330
It takes him a week to get down there five days.

638
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:48,990
So what's he start doing after the first year?

639
00:52:49,230 --> 00:52:50,750
He start getting, gets the meals out,

640
00:52:50,850 --> 00:52:52,130
get them in shape for that long run.

641
00:52:53,450 --> 00:52:54,810
So he buzzes them up and down the road

642
00:52:54,810 --> 00:52:55,750
and goes south end of town.

643
00:52:56,110 --> 00:52:58,650
All right, by my house and doesn't stop by.

644
00:52:59,510 --> 00:53:01,170
Got my drill, Sandy, give me a ride.

645
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:04,530
Would you like to hear any further testimony?

646
00:53:05,230 --> 00:53:05,470
No.

647
00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:08,590
Were there any other questions for Greg before I close

648
00:53:08,590 --> 00:53:09,150
public hearing?

649
00:53:10,030 --> 00:53:13,010
I'll close public hearing versus discussion amongst the planning commission.

650
00:53:13,710 --> 00:53:16,530
Okay. Looks like we've got things ironed out.

651
00:53:17,010 --> 00:53:22,150
The motion will be to go ahead and approve the...

652
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:23,770
Recommend approval.

653
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:25,010
Recommend approval.

654
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:34,220
Of changing the tax amendment to put things in alphabetical or they will stay in.

655
00:53:34,220 --> 00:53:43,680
Well, of the proposed tax amendment, less the definition of agricultural and use with

656
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,840
the removal of the definition of agriculture and use.

657
00:53:47,260 --> 00:53:47,940
Let's keep it simple.

658
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,900
Tax amendment to recommend part.

659
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:52,460
Recovery home will stay.

660
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:59,240
Well, everything will stay less the agriculture and use definition that will be removed.

661
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,060
Everybody wants to put that into a motion.

662
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,140
I will go ahead and entertain that motion for that.

663
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,820
Got a motion by Commissioner Walton.

664
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:11,060
I'll second the motion.

665
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,620
Second by Commissioner McHugh.

666
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,000
All those in favor signify by saying aye.

667
00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:15,600
Aye.

668
00:54:16,020 --> 00:54:16,920
Opposed same sign.

669
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,020
That motion carries.

670
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:21,960
Okay.

671
00:54:22,700 --> 00:54:23,340
There are...

672
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:25,480
Drag me might as well...

673
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:26,520
Oh, you're going to go over here.

674
00:54:28,060 --> 00:54:28,720
We have a motion.

675
00:54:42,290 --> 00:54:47,790
Next item we have is just discussion only and we're looking at zoning ordinance text amendments

676
00:54:47,790 --> 00:54:50,070
to the zoning ordinance are still being drafted.

677
00:54:50,770 --> 00:54:58,010
It may be months before you see any of these, okay, or it may just be in the one big zoning

678
00:54:58,010 --> 00:55:03,900
new zoning ordinance and then, so that's that.

679
00:55:05,890 --> 00:55:07,810
Anybody has any thoughts on any of these?

680
00:55:09,010 --> 00:55:10,190
We should say them out loud.

681
00:55:10,550 --> 00:55:10,710
Yep.

682
00:55:10,810 --> 00:55:13,890
A possible tax amendments concerning which have been,

683
00:55:14,250 --> 00:55:18,350
a lot of these have been discussed at prior plan commission,

684
00:55:18,550 --> 00:55:20,110
zoning board, city council,

685
00:55:20,490 --> 00:55:22,890
relative to vacation short-term rentals,

686
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:25,010
site plan and signs.

687
00:55:27,110 --> 00:55:28,710
We've discussed them.

688
00:55:29,090 --> 00:55:37,730
I don't know that we've discussed site plans very much, but we have article 27 with site plans and we have appendix A in site plans

689
00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:43,350
and what we're going to do is we're going to put them together so they're in one place because sometimes slip to the back and forth

690
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:52,610
and plus we have our own little checklist for site plans so we're going to try and incorporate, put those in one article and make sense.

691
00:55:52,610 --> 00:55:53,270
All

692
00:55:57,660 --> 00:56:01,180
right. Anything that you'd like to add?

693
00:56:01,180 --> 00:56:02,780
Questions for Greg? Comments?

694
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:04,780
Next slide.

695
00:56:04,980 --> 00:56:05,420
Hearing none.

696
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:06,120
No comments.

697
00:56:10,660 --> 00:56:14,300
Next discussion item is F&M 2050 comprehensive plan.

698
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:23,040
So the big thing on this is we've posted the link to the draft plan on our website.

699
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:28,740
We've emailed it to everybody that's been involved in the process up to this date.

700
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:35,900
And this is kind of our game plan for getting us to the adoption of our conference plan.

701
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:42,100
So the big meeting, I say a big meeting is January 22nd when we're going to have steering

702
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:46,140
committees, City Council, Planning Commissions, and the Board of Appeals all here for a special

703
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:52,420
meeting who obviously if you have a granddaughter's birthday that night, you may be out of

704
00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:56,600
go to it, and maybe watch it later, but we're going to do a little workshop.

705
00:56:56,860 --> 00:57:01,820
We'll have Stephanie and Jacob down here and kind of go through the plan,

706
00:57:01,940 --> 00:57:02,800
section by section.

707
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:10,100
I'm figuring in two hours that we will have food and some beverages.

708
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,740
And then we're going to have a couple open houses, one on a Saturday morning,

709
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:17,820
one on Thursday evening.

710
00:57:17,820 --> 00:57:25,340
and in our public hearing is penciled in for February 10th of the Plan Commission.

711
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:35,360
Unfortunately, Jacob will not be able to join us that night, but I think at that point we should have a pretty good handle on where we're at with the plan.

712
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:42,040
And then the following City Council meeting will be a discussion of the Plan Commission's recommendation.

713
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:50,480
and then March 3rd is the planned vote up or down or parts of the city council

714
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:56,020
can adopt parts of the comprehensive plan when they adopted so and you can

715
00:57:56,020 --> 00:58:02,260
recommend parts to be adopted and parts to be kicked back for further review so

716
00:58:02,260 --> 00:58:08,280
are you good I do want to reiterate it says it right up on top all meetings are

717
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,820
are open to the public and the public can participate

718
00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:11,580
at those meetings.

719
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,300
There are some meetings where you do have to put

720
00:58:14,300 --> 00:58:17,180
a speaker's card, but like Plan Commission, you do not.

721
00:58:18,580 --> 00:58:21,100
All meetings are open to the public.

722
00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:24,140
They know that.

723
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:26,500
And it's online.

724
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,860
I'm just going to say the City Council meetings,

725
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,380
you may want to grab a speaker's card for that,

726
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:35,260
but as far as I'm concerned, the zoning board

727
00:58:35,940 --> 00:58:38,540
and the Plan Commission, you know,

728
00:58:38,540 --> 00:58:42,540
If you want to come and speak on the progress of plan at one of those meetings, please,

729
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:48,320
they will have a discussion, discussion item just like we have been.

730
00:58:50,820 --> 00:58:54,480
Is there a time set for the January 22nd special meeting?

731
00:58:55,180 --> 00:58:56,000
6 p.m.

732
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:56,880
6 p.m.

733
00:58:57,060 --> 00:59:00,420
If you want to come a little early, that's good.

734
00:59:01,220 --> 00:59:01,820
Very good.

735
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,260
Any other questions, comments?

736
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,400
Hearing none, the next meeting for the applying condition will be Federal Rate Act

737
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:18,180
I think all my commissioners for coming this evening City Council for putting all the stuff together for us

738
00:59:18,180 --> 00:59:20,200
I will entertain a motion to adjourn

739
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,140
Motion by Commissioner Wolfman

740
00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:29,960
Second by Commissioner Sparrow all those in favor signify by saying aye the post same sign motion carries